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[calls by sickos]

Any chance you would stop trying to shape everything around your world view?

Explanation is maybe quite simple i.e. fewer at risk vaccinated.

But could really do with some more info before drawing inferences.

Mortality by vaccination status and age group a good start.

Certainly does nothing to substantiate calls by sickos to vaccinate children and healthy young adults to protect them or pacify their fears.

Get a grip

It is sick.

We were blessed that this virus does not have any great impact on children.

What have we done with that blessing?

Smashed their education, their social development, their levels of fitness, their mental health etc.

And now we have a band of massive weirdos wanting to vaccinate them to mainly protect the old and frail, those unlucky with health and those who have not looked after themselves.

Sorry but I make absolutely no apologies for use of the word sickos.

Totally counter intuitive to human nature.

What he said (what you claim he said) is widely at odds with the most recently available official government data.

Of course there is a lag in data getting published so subsequent publications might show the vast majority are indeed unvaccinated but we can wait for that and revisit in a few weeks.  It will take a hell of a shift all the same.

Did you catch a name by the way?  I am not finding much by way of reference to 'the Medical Federation UK' let alone who it's head is.

Or even what time he was on as I am genuinely interested to hear what he said so can grab off the catch up.

Taylor, I think and was on radio 5 live at about 8.45am today, I'm sure that is on catch up, just after he finished someone came on and told the BBC to be fairer in their news covering and stop going along the government line sort of thing...

Thanks.

Would you mind going back and listening to 5 Live and perhaps revising what you posted?  Both in terms of who was talking and what was said.

On the positive sounds like you were concentrating on the road more than the radio.

Safety first 😜

Going to help you out.  The Taylor in the mix was Matthew Taylor the chief of the NHS Confederation.  But his input was of impending crisis if direction of travel of cases continued as is.  But no mention of vaccination status and hospitalisation.

Hospitals being full of unvaccinated was mentioned.  This was the input of the caller Andrew from Yeovil. And even at that he was quoting someone on another radio station.

Honestly.

Given what was said this morning and I would almost be expecting an apology but don't worry I don't expect that from any of you bed wetters.

So just leave it with the knowledge I am having a chuckle.

And genuinely happy you were clearly more focused on the road.

Easy done.

Of course you are not selfish because the definition of selfish is now limited to people who do not choose to be vaccinated.

Housing crisis.  No the 80% of the population who are not selfish can do nothing about that because the definition does not stretch beyond vaccination.

#virtuesignallingtwats

The building industry is self regulated in the republic, no nsai audits or policing of products to meet minimum accept quality criteria. Therefore the tax payer will be liable for full redress of the re-build of thousands of homes in Donegal (affected by mica) to the tune of 3 billion euro plus.
Same applies to the Covid certs. Leo Varadkar expects me to ask a pub why they let me into their facility without producing a proof of Covid Vaccination Cert. Whats the point in asking for certs if the matter is not going to be policed by an independent body. The government in the republic have handled things poorly too. We always had a winter health crisis regarding hospitals & availability of ICU beds, the unvaccinated are the fall guys these days.

By the way whats the story in the North, do they ask for Covid Certs when dinning indoors?

I was in Sligo at the weekend and it was a shock to the system covid wise, asked for vaccine certificate everywhere and just that feeling of strictness, the North is a joke, you might get asked for a name & phone number at a pub door from my experience.

The covid pass is nonsense.

You could have 100 people in a pub, and they'll all be let in with their passes, no questions asked. Any number of them could have covid. Now, you might say the vaccine reduces transmission/severity, but that's still potentially 100 people coming out of that pub with the virus.

Correct Benny.

And they could then come into a high risk contraindication and infect them.

But as noted in the reports the likely hood of those people needing medical intervention is less than if it was 100 unvaccinated in the pub. That is why people are pushing the vaccine.

But would be really selfish towards any contraindications out there.  And nobody likes selfish.  Isn't that right.

What he said (what you claim he said) is widely at odds with the most recently available official government data.

Of course there is a lag in data getting published so subsequent publications might show the vast majority are indeed unvaccinated but we can wait for that and revisit in a few weeks.  It will take a hell of a shift all the same.

Did you catch a name by the way?  I am not finding much by way of reference to 'the Medical Federation UK' let alone who it's head is.

Or even what time he was on as I am genuinely interested to hear what he said so can grab off the catch up.

Any chance you could explain what's happening in Romania, buddy? Here are their figures for you again.

Population 19.29 million
Vaccinated: 29.5%

Covid cases yesterday: 18,863
Covid deaths yesterday: 561 (five hundred and sixty-one)

Would you agree that these figures, when compared against the currently miniscule death figures in widely vaccinated countries like Ireland are a very clear demonstration of the benefits of vaccines and the dangers of widespread non-vaccination?

Sid I think you are mistaking me for someone who is anti vaccination.

Yis all say that.

Any chance you might explain the figures?

Any chance you would stop trying to shape everything around your world view?

Explanation is maybe quite simple i.e. fewer at risk vaccinated.

But could really do with some more info before drawing inferences.

Mortality by vaccination status and age group a good start.

Certainly does nothing to substantiate calls by sickos to vaccinate children and healthy young adults to protect them or pacify their fears.

What he said (what you claim he said) is widely at odds with the most recently available official government data.

Of course there is a lag in data getting published so subsequent publications might show the vast majority are indeed unvaccinated but we can wait for that and revisit in a few weeks.  It will take a hell of a shift all the same.

Did you catch a name by the way?  I am not finding much by way of reference to 'the Medical Federation UK' let alone who it's head is.

Or even what time he was on as I am genuinely interested to hear what he said so can grab off the catch up.

Taylor, I think and was on radio 5 live at about 8.45am today, I'm sure that is on catch up, just after he finished someone came on and told the BBC to be fairer in their news covering and stop going along the government line sort of thing...

Thanks.

Would you mind going back and listening to 5 Live and perhaps revising what you posted?  Both in terms of who was talking and what was said.

On the positive sounds like you were concentrating on the road more than the radio.

Safety first 😜

What he said (what you claim he said) is widely at odds with the most recently available official government data.

Of course there is a lag in data getting published so subsequent publications might show the vast majority are indeed unvaccinated but we can wait for that and revisit in a few weeks.  It will take a hell of a shift all the same.

Did you catch a name by the way?  I am not finding much by way of reference to 'the Medical Federation UK' let alone who it's head is.

Or even what time he was on as I am genuinely interested to hear what he said so can grab off the catch up.

Any chance you could explain what's happening in Romania, buddy? Here are their figures for you again.

Population 19.29 million
Vaccinated: 29.5%

Covid cases yesterday: 18,863
Covid deaths yesterday: 561 (five hundred and sixty-one)

Would you agree that these figures, when compared against the currently miniscule death figures in widely vaccinated countries like Ireland are a very clear demonstration of the benefits of vaccines and the dangers of widespread non-vaccination?

Sid I think you are mistaking me for someone who is anti vaccination.

What he said (what you claim he said) is widely at odds with the most recently available official government data.

Of course there is a lag in data getting published so subsequent publications might show the vast majority are indeed unvaccinated but we can wait for that and revisit in a few weeks.  It will take a hell of a shift all the same.

Did you catch a name by the way?  I am not finding much by way of reference to 'the Medical Federation UK' let alone who it's head is.

Or even what time he was on as I am genuinely interested to hear what he said so can grab off the catch up.

Taylor, I think and was on radio 5 live at about 8.45am today, I'm sure that is on catch up, just after he finished someone came on and told the BBC to be fairer in their news covering and stop going along the government line sort of thing...

Thanks.

What he said (what you claim he said) is widely at odds with the most recently available official government data.

Of course there is a lag in data getting published so subsequent publications might show the vast majority are indeed unvaccinated but we can wait for that and revisit in a few weeks.  It will take a hell of a shift all the same.

Did you catch a name by the way?  I am not finding much by way of reference to 'the Medical Federation UK' let alone who it's head is.

Or even what time he was on as I am genuinely interested to hear what he said so can grab off the catch up.

I've no way of proving it but I'd imagine a lot of people over 60 who are in hospital with covid could well have ended up there anyway given the age profile. If you look at the under 60's, 2,411 out of 3,840 in hospital are unvaccinated (63%).

Again not disputing but still false to say vast majority in hospital are unvaccinated.

The person that said it would have better knowledge than you , he also said that we are at the end of the first vaccine's best use, as in the effects of that are starting to diminish, thus the requirement of the booster is important, along with protection against the flu the flu jab has been rolled out pretty quick round my way

Lol. Ok.

Sure throw up those stats you keep getting wrong, they are great lol moments

Yes the initial figures were incorrect and have been updated.

But are we conveniently forgetting that the sentiment of the post was correct as the updated figures show.

That is your statement about 'vast majority' of hospitalisations being unvaccinated is at odds with official government data.

At least I can correct my data error and still arrive at the same conclusion.

But sure you stick to the guy on the radio who knows more than me but is at odds with official government data 👍

[the number of people still not taking the vaccine is a pain, so selfish.]

Was listening to 5 live on the way into work, the vast majority of those with Covid in hospital are not vaccinated, that came from the head of the medical doctors federation, he also said that we will need to have the booster to help with this winter as people's immunes will be less due to the last time they had the second jab..

Now, I'd take the information from him over the crackpots on facebook in fairness, I know, call me crazy...

Who knows what's going to happen this winter, it won't be pretty that's for sure, but if several million of people in the UK haven't taken a vaccine how will it ever work?

Are we going down to the point of acceptable death, with hospitals over run with more 'acceptable' deaths from other issues because we have no staff to run it or beds to put people in?

The vaccine roll out really should have been what drove us back towards normality(it has been) but the number of people still not taking the vaccine is a pain, so selfish.

As crude as it sounds, we do have to have a number of acceptable deaths. Every other part of our life has an acceptable number of deaths. We have to live with Covid just like we live with many other diseases. We cannot go back to locking people down. Personally I'd like to see the government turn the screw more and make more things undoable without vaccine passport, there's people who can't take the vaccine we should be giving them a similar exemption pass but everyone else get the jab and get on with life

Pointing the finger at the unvaccinated is a deliberate distraction from the fact that the vaccine clearly isn't working, and isn't stopping the rise in infection rates.

Again correct.

And I would go further and suggest that it also shows the failure to properly inform people of their risk.

And in my opinion a big part of the reason risk profile has not been properly addressed is because they wanted everyone to feel at risk to try and control spread.  With this opinion I do not doubt that it was well meant but the problem with it now is that people have got their own ideas of risk profile.  And that is in the main age whereas in reality age is a major factor but so is level of health and in particular level of obesity.

The building industry is self regulated in the republic, no nsai audits or policing of products to meet minimum accept quality criteria. Therefore the tax payer will be liable for full redress of the re-build of thousands of homes in Donegal (affected by mica) to the tune of 3 billion euro plus.
Same applies to the Covid certs. Leo Varadkar expects me to ask a pub why they let me into their facility without producing a proof of Covid Vaccination Cert. Whats the point in asking for certs if the matter is not going to be policed by an independent body. The government in the republic have handled things poorly too. We always had a winter health crisis regarding hospitals & availability of ICU beds, the unvaccinated are the fall guys these days.

By the way whats the story in the North, do they ask for Covid Certs when dinning indoors?

I was in Sligo at the weekend and it was a shock to the system covid wise, asked for vaccine certificate everywhere and just that feeling of strictness, the North is a joke, you might get asked for a name & phone number at a pub door from my experience.

The covid pass is nonsense.

You could have 100 people in a pub, and they'll all be let in with their passes, no questions asked. Any number of them could have covid. Now, you might say the vaccine reduces transmission/severity, but that's still potentially 100 people coming out of that pub with the virus.

Correct Benny.

And they could then come into a high risk contraindication and infect them.

I've no way of proving it but I'd imagine a lot of people over 60 who are in hospital with covid could well have ended up there anyway given the age profile. If you look at the under 60's, 2,411 out of 3,840 in hospital are unvaccinated (63%).

Again not disputing but still false to say vast majority in hospital are unvaccinated.

The person that said it would have better knowledge than you , he also said that we are at the end of the first vaccine's best use, as in the effects of that are starting to diminish, thus the requirement of the booster is important, along with protection against the flu the flu jab has been rolled out pretty quick round my way

Lol. Ok.

I've no way of proving it but I'd imagine a lot of people over 60 who are in hospital with covid could well have ended up there anyway given the age profile. If you look at the under 60's, 2,411 out of 3,840 in hospital are unvaccinated (63%).

Again not disputing but still false to say vast majority in hospital are unvaccinated.

The tables actually show that per 100,000 people the vaccinated rate of hospitalisation is 112.9 for vaccinated people v 420.8 for non vaccinated. In terms of deaths its 69.3 for vaccinated and 263.2 for non vaccinated. However, the over 80's are bumping up the vaccinated death numbers a lot - if you take them out its 19.8 vaccinated v 107.2 non vaccinated.

Yes that is true and why at younger people in at risk category should consider vaccination if not already done so.

Rates per 100,000 are a good comparable measure but the data does not mean hospitals are full of unvaccinated as 5 Live guy claimed.

Fella you have proved time and again that you haven't the faintest notion about the meaning of basic figures right in front of your face, but you keep on posting embarassingly mad, and completely false, interpretations of information which any reasonably intelligent child could disprove in a New York minute.  Have a wee bit of dignity and stop posting on this thread and making a fool of yourself.

Whatever you think.  I hold my hands up, I pulled the incorrect figures from the table in a rush but only because I knew the official data proves it is false to say majority in hospitals were unvaccinated based on this official data.

Hospitalisations (all age groups) UK week 34 to week 37:
Unvaccinated = 3,220 out of 8,255
Or 39%
39% is not a majority, even by my bad math.

I might have no clue but those are the facts.

lets use your figures, given that over 80% of the population is vaccinated, including 99% of our vulnerable who are going to be more prone to being hospitalised, 39% of hospital admissions is coming from only 20% of the population, of that 20% its accepted that these are people who felt they didnt need the vaccine due to their demographic of being young fit etc. so would you not say the numbers yo have quoted actually are a massive red flag and should encourage vaccination?

Have you read my previous posts?

I am not even challenging that vaccine appears effective for reducing hospitalisation and deaths.  In fact I have posted that benefit a few times.

So yes of course there appears to be people winding up in hospital and some sadly dying where vaccination could have been the difference.

I am advocating that people are educated on their level of risk.  As it is we have a cohort who are not getting vaccinated and that is that because they think that being young is the end of the story.

The reality is that the majority of the young will not need vaccination but among them are people of high risk.

These, in the main, are the younger people ending up in hospital and dying.

So why do we not focus more on risk profile to encourage those at risk towards vaccination as opposed to the big stick approach that just leads people to dig in even more.

Of course that appears to make me an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorists and whatever other type of comfort blanket character the hysteria merchants have created in their heads.