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Not worried that the appeal has failed. Tyrone are out..What worries me most and I have seen it in club football. Why is their no sanction for a team who when they fall behind behind, they want to get a game abandoned by turning a scrap into a subs and management field invasion. That is what happened here. Fair play to the ref for not abandoning the game and also FairPlay to Armagh. They came back after rattling Tyrone. In the row

At the end of extra time Armagh had a third player sent off (after the row and the equalising score). They commenced extra extra time with 15 players when they should have had 12 and Tyrone 13.

Wrong. They had one player and a sub red carded before game resumed after row (14 vs 13). They then had a player sent of after the game resumed (about 15 seconds later) but before the equaliser (leaving it 13 vs 13).

I stand corrected, I am not sure I could keep up with the players subbed/on the field/red carded. Especially with the number of Armagh players who ran on from the sideline 

At the end of extra time Armagh had a third player sent off (after the row and the equalising score). They commenced extra extra time with 15 players when they should have had 12 and Tyrone 13.

Wrong. They had one player and a sub red carded before game resumed after row (14 vs 13). They then had a player sent of after the game resumed (about 15 seconds later) but before the equaliser (leaving it 13 vs 13).   

immediately following the row, both teams had 2 players sent off. Armagh also had a management member sent off. Play then resumed, Following the next whistle to end the period another Armagh player was sent off after the whistle. This would suggest they should have had a player less on the field than tyrone when they resumed. I'm assuming tyrones appeal is based on this.

No- because one of the two armagh players that was sent off immediately following the row had already been substituted in normal time iirc.

[Tyrone s teamwork was going to beat an Armagh team more dependent on individuals]

I assume the treatment young McQuillan from Armagh was getting from Tyrone was ok then ?

Both teams contributed to the melee and as is always the case with these things both teams can share the blame.

As for the match for a large part I felt Tyrone s teamwork was going to beat an Armagh team more dependent on individuals. Tyrone kick out strategy was great and I feel if Armagh had the same possession from kick outs they would have won in normal time.
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Nail on the head regarding this.

This poor young Campbell lad - is that the same lad that was throwing head butts over at the shed side about 2 minutes prior.

Great game. Tyrone will be kicking themselves. Had the game won with 30 seconds left of the first extra time periods and in true Tyrone fashion started dishing out sly digs (seen a head butt as well) in an attempt to force ref to blow it up. Fair play to the ref(who had lost a bit of control) who not only restarted game but also allowed enough time for Armagh to get an equaliser. Forget about black cards, that was the perfect punishment for cyncial play. Good game of football and thought that the goal chances spurned by Armagh were going to come back and haunt them. Delighted to see the character and also had the stomach whenever the melee was started.

Yeah it's Gough this time.

My point is that it doesn't matter who it is we get the same pre-match drivel each time. It feeds into this mantra that the world is against us. The referee is against us, the fates are against us and that there is some imagined edge between the 2 sides or 2 sets of supporters.

Gough as a ref is not without fault or controversy but he remains one of the best. Let him do his job and judge him afterwards. If he pulls us up for poor tackling or mouthing at his decisions it will the continuance of a theme but that theme will have nothing to do with Gough, his performance, his parentage or an agenda against Armagh

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

Took in u20 game last night. Good to get a win after the recent horror shows of the seniors and u17s.
Armagh pulled away from Fermanagh in the last 15 mins but to be truthful Fermanagh were very poor and this group of Armagh players should be beating them out the gate. Individually Armagh players were better than their direct opponents and at the end the result reflected this.

However, talented and all as they are I do believe that Tyrone will beat them comfortably (I hope I'm wrong) as the team seemed to be  sent out to play the same way as the seniors with players been allowed the option of hiding out around the middle,opponents waltzing through this zonally marshalled defence without a hand been laid on them and if a defender does get the ball there is no outlet ball. It would appear that all our development squads are playing this way as well. This is quite in unnerving.

There is a real risk that Armagh could waste another generation of talent here if the current approach is not, at the very least, reviewed but preferably binned and a new approach developed and implemented. There is a fundamental problem with regard coaching within our county and it needs to be addressed urgently to halt the apathy towards the county team that is, I feel, currently increasing at a alarming rate.

For the record, this is not a "McGeeney out" rant, as a lot of these problems have manifested themselves before kieran's time but he has probably been shown up to be out of his depth over the course of the last four years with Armagh. (Last year favourables draws in the qualifiers papered over the cracks of a bad year when promotion and a win over down were the only the two results that mattered)

There is definitely the talent in the county to be doing better than we are showing at the minute and I hope we can find our way to harness this talent and at least getting us to be challenging for an Ulster at the very least.

[quote author=Erne Man link=topic=28631.msg1808827#msg1808827 date=15 Didn't see what happened re the sending off, but I thought McGeeney was going to clock young Grimley when he came off - so I can only assume what he did was daft.

Should not have been in the field to get sent off as management  should have had grimly subbed after about 20 mins into first half. Was having a stinker.

You aren't allowed to make 15 substitutions and there were quite a few worse than him. If Armagh are to progress they need to find more players like him. One rash moment and people would lynch a fella. If Dublin had taken that route in 2003 when Cluxton kicked McDonnell they may not have as many All Ireland's.

Agree with this. Grimley was far from the worst up until his red.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to lynch the fella. My perception from watching the match was that Niall was having a poor game and that a few Fermanagh scores came directly from him and was not generally involved in the game at all. Sometimes this happens to players on any given day. Could be wrong but would need to watch it again. Agree that you could have subbed any amount of boys but some of the substitutions were baffling to say the least.

[quote author=Erne Man link=topic=28631.msg1808827#msg1808827 date=15 Didn't see what happened re the sending off, but I thought McGeeney was going to clock young Grimley when he came off - so I can only assume what he did was daft.
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Should not have been in the field to get sent off as management  should have had grimly subbed after about 20 mins into first half. Was having a stinker.

[yet again]

The reality is that McGeeney & Co yet again decided to go for a stupid psychological prep, name players out of position, changing the starting team at the last minute, building tactics around the opposition, all instead of playing to their own plan and making the opposition change its plan. 

How about having a simple plan to name your team, go out and play the game to your own strengths.

Thats exactly the problem. They are building a system and trying to get players to fit into system instead of looking at players and seeing what game plan would get the most out the players you have. They are also implementing this system through all the development and underage teams and it is not working there either. Serious review of Armagh set up is needed.

Also do not buy the line that there is no players in Armagh of a good county standard.

Best of luck to Fermanagh in next round. Deserved winners tonight.

[and paid for their tour]

It was good to see Rory Best and his kids interviewed after the match today

Well he is a family man. Before the November match against Argentina, he met school children from the two schools in Poyntzpass and paid for their tour of the Aviva.

The power of PR! Wonder would there be any grants for this sort of cross community thing?

Sport hasn't changed.

Communications techniques have.

on the head

While he did a good job he was trigger happy sometimes with the ban and had an issue about me hence I went on the offensive. Some may think I overreacted but I have spoken to a few people who were annoyed about some of the stuff and frankly felt that there was a free run at our club. I know what happened was not pleasant but I also know of some stuff that happened that has not come out, particularly the whole crossing over the fence. Anyway,  I will probably register on the new site, if I'm let, the difficulty with the old site was that it operated as the official site yet the Admin denied that he was the CB representative. You have to be one or the other

I hope they let you in BC, they need members like you.

Was never on this site and I also know that a fair bit of shit spouted about Cross is based on jealousy, that said my experience with Cross teams since I have got back has been exceptionally poor to the point I regret spending money watching them and cheering them on when they were at their peak and you were winning all Irelands for fun. Sad but hey, that's my experience as I see it.

Jesus Stew, you have made your point about how you feel about cross now on several occasions . Can you not just leave it now.

Never mind banning members, Hope all talk of soup is banned on new site. Did my head in!