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Only saw 2nd half, poor stuff and Rangers should have won. It could have just been complacency or an off day but looked like the motivation is gone for a lot of those players, Sinclair particularly brutal.

Maybe Rangers have finally turned the corner, be interesting to see if they invest anything / much in January.

This was Celtics 9th game in 30 days, they were tired, first half they could have been two ahead, sevco better team chances wise in the second half, that said they were more up for it and had some outstanding performances of note and well worth the point.

They have not turned a corner for me, they simply got up for one game, that is a key difference between them and Celtic, Celtic when not at their best grind out a win or a draw, Sevco when off the pace lose or are lucky to get a point, today they fully deserved a point and were as good as they could be, Celtic were about 70% of what they can be.

Exactly. How can benny claim rangers should have won when he only saw the second half? Also, obviously doesn't follow Scottish football. Rangers beat Aberdeen twice in succesive games then lost two against "lesser teams". They've turned more corners this season than an idiot stuck in a maze.

We've been well off the pace for a few weeks. Usual mistakes at the back but should still be two up. Sinclair seems terrified!

Melbourne sold that baldy headed fella that scored for Huddersfield against United, for around £10m. That's roughly what they bought the club for.

They have also recouped money from other transfers of youth players. Boyata and Ntcham both moved to Celtic from Man City youth structure. Patrick Roberts will command a decent fee when he moves on. Foden sppears to be a big prospect and in the following years you may find more coming through.

That doesn't make their youth system more productive than any other club. I can watch any lower Premier League or Championship match and pick out a guy or 2 that came through United and they've got a decent fee for and sure Liverpool supporters or whoever can do the same. Foden seems to be a good prospect but he's the exception rather than the rule.. Someone called it right further back it's about identifying and buying now rather than coming through the ranks.

Although I do like the stat that it's 80 years since Utd had a match day squad that didn't have home produced talent in it..

My post was in response to the notion that City's youth set up and tie ins with overseas clubs was not bearing dividends and nowhere did I mention the success or otherwise compared to other clubs. It isn't yet a success in terms of youth team players making the first team but it certainly has produced monetary return. I suspect in 4-5 years that will change.

Melbourne sold that baldy headed fella that scored for Huddersfield against United, for around £10m. That's roughly what they bought the club for.

They have also recouped money from other transfers of youth players. Boyata and Ntcham both moved to Celtic from Man City youth structure. Patrick Roberts will command a decent fee when he moves on. Foden sppears to be a big prospect and in the following years you may find more coming through.

Millions come into the club's coffers and no player is being lost. It doesn't get much better than that.

You'd wonder how long it takes to process a transaction like that to Celtics coffers?

Various sources suggesting different settlements, including installments over the length of the contract. Doesn't really matter as the money is coming our way no matter which way.

The Celtic board take a lot of stick but TBH i think they run the club well

Not so sure about that.
If they were paying 25k a week for Kolo Toure as a player what sort of wages is he on now as a coach?
Might be the explanation for why the centre-backs are so poor as he was a pretty shit player himself.

I don't know what Toure was on but if BR and Celtic thought he was worth it then who are we to criticise...Plus do we know for sure or is it a Tony guess? Plus you won't get every transfer right, if you did your name would be Merlin. Even if he was paid that money as a player (i would have no issues with that) i doubt v much he'd be on a third of that now as a coach.

The figure I mentioned I got from here. It's an estimate and could be bullshit. Gamboa on 15k :O

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/595906/Celtic-weekly-wages-best-paid-top-earners-sportgalleries

Not clicking on that link. Daily Star eff that. I think you can file under bullshit.

I read there that Celtic's deal is 15% of Southampton's nett profit, i was always under the impression Celtic got 10% of the transfer fee. If it's the latter then Celtic could be set to cash in on roughly £9.3 mill, either way it was handy money and well done P Lawwell.

The Celtic board take a lot of stick but TBH i think they run the club well

Some quotes have it at 20%.
I agree re the board, on finances anyway. The board run the club within our means. Some think £30m from CL means we can buy £7 or £8m players. Not as simple as that unfortunately. Have to look at the overall cost for the length of contract. £7m player means wages of about £2m a year. What happens if we don't qualify for CL groups? We still have that contract to pay.

That Liverpool overpaid?  But sure you wouldn't admit it anyway.  Stevie Wonder.

Why not just say that then instead of naming random players and what they cost.What odds that they overpaid anyway. Salah cost less than half of what Lukaku cost. Don't see you whinging about that.

What about Stevie Wonder? Has he a transfer fee also?

VanDijk is still relatively young also. Who's to say it's not a good investment. In two years time PSG might be willing to pay twice that. He will be a colossus for Liverpool. Just watch their defence improve incrementally. I feel he will lift the performance of those around him. Mingolet may be a weak link but you can't underestimate the influence two solid CBs can have on a goalkeepers confidence. I predict Liverpool for seconds nd and a run deep into the CL.

Have I missed something, or why would, indeed should, a player valued at £13 millions in late 2015 now be valued at £75 millions? That's some "improvement" in a short space of time.

Why did Real pay £80m for Bale and why did PSG pay £200m+ for Neymar? Less to do with ability or improvement than the need of the buying club. Liverpool had to go to that price to guarantee their number one target. Neymar was the same player more or less who joined Barca from Brazil.
But who gives a f**k, Celtic rake in North of £7m for doing very little but having foresight.

But what does it matter how the cash was generated? Or what City were doing a decade ago?

If the only way to "earn the right" to break transfer records is through 20 years of progressive improvement, then the rich would get richer and the vast majority of the poor would dwindle and die.

That's pretty much what happened in Scotland. Two clubs went on an arms race to ensure that for 4 games a year they could beat each other. The public fell asleep because 95% of games were a foregone conclusion. Players stopped coming because it was boring. One club went bankrupt. Now nobody cares. Nobody.

It's (in my mind) the arrival of the foreign billionaires that has kept English football interesting. There was no other way to keep United "honest". And I actually mean that as a compliment to United.

"The arrival of foreign billionaires has kept English football interesting."
But this could be it's downfall. Regarding City and their place in the hierarchy, some on this thread seem to think English football began with the Premier League. Man City have always been one of the bigger clubs albeit in the shadows of united since Ferguson eventually got it right. I've watched a lot of english football in the past month since I got a deal for December's sky sports coverage. Prior to this saw only the odd highlights package on MOTD. Liverpool and City are great to watch but there have been some chronic matches especially involving United, Everton and Chelsea. Outside the top seven teams, the standard is poor considering the money available.
United have a worldwide following which can be traced back to Munich, the Busby Babes, Best, Law and Charlton.
But so now do Chelsea who were once even smaller in terms of history and fan base than City. Footbsll fans, beyond the hardcore, are fickle. What happens after years without success? The money will disappear and some of the big clubs could too.
Nobody cares about Scottish football? Still one of the best attended leagues in Europe compared to the population size. Nobody really cares about Swansea or Burnley or any of the other teams making up the numbers. It's a hyped up reality show just in a football stadium.

Lambert has not went down well with the Celts over the last few days when he came out and said something along the lines of feeling sorry for the old Rangers and that Scotland and the clubs suffered because of their liquidation...tut tut Paul

He's not wrong... Scottish football is a shit show without a team to compete against Celtic!

The quality might not be great but the "big 4" leagues all have teams further ahead of their nearest rivals than Celtic are of Aberdeen. So any perceived shitness is nothing to do with Celtic having a team to compete with them but all to do with the financial reality compared to the doped (probably in more ways than monetarily) big leagues. Anyone watch Everton v Chelsea? Now that was shit. Give me the Edinburgh derby or Hamilton v Motherwell anyday over any team managed by any number of managers including Mourinho's Utd and Allardyce's Everton or Pulis' msnagement of anyone.

Conor Hazard from Saul/Downpatrick on the bench tonight

Highly rated. Hope he makes it. Might save us a few million in the future.

Rodgers will need to prove his mettle ar European level to even be considered for any top 6 Premiership team. There is enough money flowing around Parkhead to get the three or four players that would kick them on to getting through the group stages of the Champions League

who would have got Celtic through the group stages this year?

Possibly no one because of the group. Three or four players might, however, make the difference next year with a more favourable group. Commper is a start.

Bet a mate of mine £20 during the week that celtic would lose a league game before man city. Didnt expect to win that bet so easily or so soon. Celtic very poor today.

It just shows it's the best league in the world. Any team can beat each other on their day. Not like the English league where Man City are coasting it.

 

It has been coming.Lafferty on the scoresheet too,hard to swallow.Brendan  can be thankful he's not Tony Mowbray who lost his job after a heavy defeat like that.

Shouldn't rise to it but FFS. We've just gone 69 games unbeaten, slightly different circumstances to Mowbray situation. Way to overreact.

Poor performances for sometime now and that was coming. Fatigue is playing a part, I think. Tierney has played as many games already as some players play in a whole season. 6 CL qualifiers, 6 group stage games plus internationals taking it's toll. Can't wait for the winter break. Aberdeen and Sevco before that. Two wins vital.