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#346
I hate the endless requote shit on here!
In response to mo chara.

I'm not speculating, I'm going by what BR has said over the past 18 months or so. So either he's bullshitting or he's genuine. I'll go with the latter.

Article from the Herald (Scottish paper);

ON the face of it, the challenges facing Glasgow Celtic and the neighbouring Glasgow Rocks, who play out of the Emirates Arena, may seem poles apart.

But an inspirational afternoon that senior figures from the city's basketball side spent in the company of Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers this week blew them away to such an extent, that they are ready to apply the principles from his approach to the beautiful game onto the court.

Rodgers gave up four hours on Tuesday afternoon, in the midst of preparing his side for the game against Dundee that ultimately fell victim to the weather last night, to give an insight into how his approach to football management can translate not only across different sports, but equally to multiple walks of life.

Duncan Smillie, co-owner of the Rocks and not one to be easily impressed by the sort of glib motivational speeches he was no stranger to hearing in his time in the business world, was taken aback by the experience. What he thought would amount to little more than a cup of tea and a nosey about Lennoxtown, turned into an afternoon that may alter his whole approach to how he runs his organisation.

"We've got a reasonably close relationship with Celtic," Smillie explained when asked how the meeting came about. "We're neighbours, for one, and David Low my business partner was the guy who brokered the Fergus McCann deal when he bought Celtic back in the 90's.

"It was way, way more than I thought it would be. We were told that we would meet Brendan and his assistant Chris Davies, who has been at a few of our games. We thought we would get a look around, maybe watch some training and that would be it. But when we got up there, we couldn't believe the time we got with Brendan. He really put himself out.

"He brought us into his office and spent a good half hour chatting to the players just getting to know who they were, and was genuinely interested in them. It turns out that his first sport was basketball, and he had played at a good level as a point guard back in Ireland when he was younger.

"He then invited us out to watch training. He came over to chat with us during the session, and then insisted afterwards that we have lunch with him, the players and the coaching staff.

"We then went back into his office, and he made a presentation to us on leadership, coaching, tactics and mentoring. The guys were completely blown away, as was I, both in terms of how much time this guy was giving up, and just how inspirational he was.

"He's a born leader, and someone with a passion for developing and nurturing talent. I've got a business background, and I was thinking that this guy could go and run Microsoft. It's the same ethos, what he was saying about developing people and getting the best out of people.

"He was very intense, but in a good way, as he was sharing his philosophy on coaching. It sounds really twee, but it was really quite inspirational. His passion, his drive and his interest in what we were trying to do was very impressive."

Smillie is hoping that the messages Rodgers was trying to get across during the meeting absorbed into the Rocks players present as much as they resonated with him.

"He told the players that they were professional athletes, and they owed it to themselves to be the best version of themselves that they could be," said Smillie.

"It was really motivational. We've got some really senior guys in our team like our captain Kieron Achara who has been to the Olympics, he's the Team GB captain and the Scotland captain, and he was sitting there saying that it was mind-blowing.

"You don't think that level of intellect and psychology is prevalent in Scottish sport right now, but that's a guy who is absolutely at the top of his game."

While Smillie will be implementing some of the lessons from the afternoon in the near future, it will be during the traditional summer recruitment process that he feels the words of Rodgers will be uppermost in his mind.

"It reinforced to me that during that time you have individuals, you have a care of duty and a responsibility to develop them," he said.

"I'm less than a year at the Rocks, so I'm still very much enthused, but it has only enthused me more about what lies ahead.

"It's made me think about the individual, how we set expectations of what we want them to achieve when they arrive and what they want to achieve.

"I took away so much about how I want to put that same philosophy and focus on development into the Rocks that he has at Celtic. He didn't say that he had copyrighted it, so we'll certainly be stealing more than a few of his ideas."


And now I will speculate. I get the feeling that BR enjoys influencing, nurturing and advising people. He has those opportunities in his present job which would probably not be afforded him elsewhere. However, I'm not in the know and he could be plotting right now to be the Bayern Munich manager next year.
#347
Quote from: illdecide on March 02, 2018, 10:01:34 AM
TEN Things Only A Celtic Fan Will Understand

For most of us, we support Celtic from a young age and follow the team year after year.
Throughout the highs and lows, we experience it all and here are just TEN things you're likely to identify with/know/experience if you're a Celtic fan.

1. You ALWAYS look at the linesman/Ref immediately after Celtic score an important goal because you're used to 'honest mistakes.'
2. You don't fancy our chances against Rosenborg in a qualifier but EXPECT us to beat Bayern Munich by at least two clear goals in the group stage.
3. You're used to being lumped in with sectarianism when you've never sung an anti-religious song in your life.
4. If you wear your Hoops abroad you're getting at least one comment from a foreign bar/cafe owner saying "mon the hoops" or something to that effect.
5. On that same holiday, you'll see a wee growler at the poolside with a union jack towel.
6. That moment when the music fades out and a full Celtic Park sings You'll Never Walk Alone makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up.
7. You're polite as f**k when you have Celtic colours on because you're representing the club and our supporters.
8. In a game of football down the park, you've tried to emulate wee Jimmy Johnstone or Henrik Larsson at some point in your life.
9.Doesn't matter what age you are, you can rhyme off the Lisbon Lion team that won the European Cup.
10. You chant SEBO when someone makes a complete a*** of themselves trying to shoot.

:D


#348


Perhaps you are "in the know" bannside, maybe that's bs. I'm going by what BR has said numerous times himself. If what you say is true then I will have lost a lot of respect for him unless circumstances behind the scenes have changed drastically.
#349
Quote from: MoChara on March 01, 2018, 09:01:36 AM
Quote from: stew on February 28, 2018, 11:03:50 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 27, 2018, 01:13:23 PM
Arsenal allegedly chasing Brendan Rodgers to replace Wenger.

Arsenal would be a brilliant fit for him given the way he lkes to play, I think he really needs a strong, defensive minded number two he will listen to, he is a fantastic coach of attacking players but defensively he is not that great and could use a hand in my opinion.

I could see him in that job and would hope he did well, that said we will see, I hope he stays at Celtic in the summer but if he won the triple two years in a row and made the CL group stages 2 years in a row, what more can he do at Celtic Park?

Unless he wanted to cement his place in history with completing the ten in a row, but somehow I don't see him hanging around for another 4 seasons.

At least every few pages! FFS.
The man is a multimillionaire, he has already managed two of the biggest clubs in European football, he is still in his forties, he is in no rush to go anywhere. Stay at Celtic for ten, leave a lasting legacy, already had a record breaking season. Double treble is very much on. Plenty more to come. Then he will have twenty odd years elsewhere if he wants. Give it a f**king rest.
#350
Quote from: charlieTully on February 24, 2018, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: ned on February 24, 2018, 07:06:58 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 23, 2018, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
You would think it's a sacrilege to criticise BR. surely one of the main objectives in bringing him to the club was improvement in Europe. In 2 seasons we have conceded 42 goals in Europe.  Invincible my hole.
His objective was getting to CL group stages, which he's achieved both seasons. Anything beyond that is a plus.  Last year they were drawn in a group with Barca and Man City. This year they finished 3rd in a group containing PSG a nd Bayern.  Despite the loss of Griffiths, Gordon , Hayes and Roberts they were unlucky not to be 2 or 3 to the good against Zenit heading to Russia.  Without those players it was always going to be an uphill struggle expect especially with Dembele and Sinclair in poor form. 

I dunno if your  hole is invincible and don't particularly want to find out but you are certainly talking thru it!

excuses excuses excuses.

You don't do facts do you? How do you measure improvement in Europe? Not by goals conceded surely? That's a factor in how well Celtic will do but not the measure. BR got us to the group stages of the CL in his first season, an improvement from the previous two years. This year we qualified and secured European football into the New year. Those are the facts and that points towards improvement to me.
The injuries are a factor whether it suits your agenda or not. All year Celtic have been hampered by injurjes at crucial times.

Typing this on a phone forgive typos. No one is calling for the managers head. Last season was an amazing success domestically and is unlikely to be seen again in our lifetime. In all competitions this season, few stumbles but that's to be expected . That does not absolve BR from criticism if it's justified. Perhaps you don't believe it is. Let's examine some facts from his European record.

FACT away defeat to a part time team from Gibraltar
FACT away defeat to hapoel
FACT 7 nil away to Barca
FACT gave away the lead 3 times at home to city
FACT home defeat to monchengladbach
FACT home defeat to Barca
FACT draw at home to Rosenberg
FACT away defeat to Astana
FACT beaten 5 nil at home by psg
FACT conceded 7 away from home for second time in 2 seasons
FACT home defeat to anderlect
FACT meekly limp out to zenit

I can't be bothered copying and pasting on my phone BUT off the top of my head;

Two very good draws with Man City
Excellent performances against Astana, Bayern and Zenit in Europe
Undefeated last year, record goals scored and points tally
Treble secured in first season
Treble still on this season
European football in the New Year
Players like Forrest, Armstrong, Griffiths improved under BR.

Yes, performances are below par this year and I was gutted with the result and performance on Thursday but what you are highlighting is individual instances of poor performances a lot of which weren't of consequence except Monchengladbach, Anderlecht and Zenit. We could have done better this year but I still see progress.
#351
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 23, 2018, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
You would think it's a sacrilege to criticise BR. surely one of the main objectives in bringing him to the club was improvement in Europe. In 2 seasons we have conceded 42 goals in Europe.  Invincible my hole.
His objective was getting to CL group stages, which he's achieved both seasons. Anything beyond that is a plus.  Last year they were drawn in a group with Barca and Man City. This year they finished 3rd in a group containing PSG and Bayern.  Despite the loss of Griffiths, Gordon , Hayes and Roberts they were unlucky not to be 2 or 3 to the good against Zenit heading to Russia.  Without those players it was always going to be an uphill struggle expect especially with Dembele and Sinclair in poor form. 

I dunno if your  hole is invincible and don't particularly want to find out but you are certainly talking thru it!

excuses excuses excuses.

You don't do facts do you? How do you measure improvement in Europe? Not by goals conceded surely? That's a factor in how well Celtic will do but not the measure. BR got us to the group stages of the CL in his first season, an improvement from the previous two years. This year we qualified and secured European football into the New year. Those are the facts and that points towards improvement to me.
The injuries are a factor whether it suits your agenda or not. All year Celtic have been hampered by injurjes at crucial times.
#352
Quote from: screenexile on February 22, 2018, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 22, 2018, 09:04:31 PM
So is it time to get rid of Brendan? Has he brought them to a certain point and can't bring them any further?

Who would take the job?

Who else are you gonna get?? Pep?

Scottish football is where it is and while there may be a slight improvement year to year Celtic will still get hammered in the group stages of the CL and possibly make a QF or SF in a good year in the Europa league.

They should try to keep Rogers but will he want to stay if that's as much as he can achieve with Celtic?

Why always the clamour for change. I'll just copy and paste and old post which sums up where we are and what BR means to Celtic.

He will not leave without some major change in circumstances. He knows full well (and knew when he took the job) what the restrictions are. He is not motivated by money, having made plenty through and away from football. Celtic is his club and he wishes to leave Celtic having created a lasting dynasty. Now that might be fanciful but he isn't going to up sticks at the first lucrative offer to come along fom England. He has already managed one of the biggest clubs in England and his ambition lies beyond that. He knows how fickle football clubs are. Unless the Celtic board renege on promises or Celtic start to fail, he is here for the foreseeable. This year was always going to be tough after the heights of last but lets see what happens. Next year if things have not progressed then perhaps is the time to start talking about BR leaving.

There are plenty of posts elsewhere about the amount of football we have played in the past 20 months. Sinclair has played more games since he joined Celtic than he did in the preceeding 5 years or so. Tierney has played more games than any other player in Europe this year. And so on. We played the Scottish cup towards the end of May and were back training before the end of June last year. I feel fatigue, mentally as much as anything, is a massive factor. I've always felt next year is the biggest year to see where we are. Celtic supporters act like spoilt brats at time, "I want it all and now".
#353
General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
February 21, 2018, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: AQMP on February 21, 2018, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: ned on February 21, 2018, 03:46:42 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 21, 2018, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on February 21, 2018, 11:57:18 AM
Malachi can't help himself with the hatred of SF, even at the end of that piece.

Not much wrong with that article in fairness, but does Malachi think the LGBT community voted en mass for the Shinners on the strength of them wanting same sex marriage legalised?

I'd have thought Alliance was the LGBT communities main ally.

There's plenty wrong with that. The fact that article is in The Telegraph should lead you to be sceptical of it's content.

This paragraph;
"The only way to save the Union is to convert Catholics to it.  And that was not such a hard job until very recently.  At least a third of the Catholic, nominally nationalist, community lived content with the Union. They worked in the Civil Service and the institutions of state."

Now that is some claim. Just because you work for the institutions does not mean support for the union. That is taking a fact and stretching it far away from the reality.

You mightn't support the Union itself but loads of Catholics support the status quo, it's not exactly the same thing.

It's still a conclusion arrived at with no clear facts. "Content with the union" and supporting the status quo are different things. Has there ever been a poll regarding this? As I said plenty wrong with that article.
#354
General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
February 21, 2018, 03:46:42 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 21, 2018, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on February 21, 2018, 11:57:18 AM
Malachi can't help himself with the hatred of SF, even at the end of that piece.

Not much wrong with that article in fairness, but does Malachi think the LGBT community voted en mass for the Shinners on the strength of them wanting same sex marriage legalised?

I'd have thought Alliance was the LGBT communities main ally.

There's plenty wrong with that. The fact that article is in The Telegraph should lead you to be sceptical of it's content.

This paragraph;
"The only way to save the Union is to convert Catholics to it.  And that was not such a hard job until very recently.  At least a third of the Catholic, nominally nationalist, community lived content with the Union. They worked in the Civil Service and the institutions of state."

Now that is some claim. Just because you work for the institutions does not mean support for the union. That is taking a fact and stretching it far away from the reality.
#355
Quote from: stew on February 18, 2018, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: ned on February 18, 2018, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: MoChara on February 18, 2018, 04:43:34 PM
Celtic getting a hard time from the ref here, and without brown St Johnstone aren't a bit afraid to try and kick us about

Over 20 fouls and about 20 more not given. No consistency allowed. 7 changes didn't help and only 2 or 3 clear chances. Thursday more important.

Ned, the league is far more important than a cup you are not going to win, the league gives you a double with only the cup to go, a handy draw in the quarters makes for an intense end of season run, I will never understand why people put so much stake in the Europa cup when you still have not won the domestic league yet.

League is more important overall, yes definitely. However, Europa League is more important than one league game. If we don't win the league from here then it won't be about just today's match. Whether the league goes towards a double or a treble doesn't really matter although it would be great to do the treble back to back.
#356
Quote from: MoChara on February 18, 2018, 04:43:34 PM
Celtic getting a hard time from the ref here, and without brown St Johnstone aren't a bit afraid to try and kick us about

Over 20 fouls and about 20 more not given. No consistency allowed. 7 changes didn't help and only 2 or 3 clear chances. Thursday more important.
#357
Mature performance. If that is what we can expect in Europe from now on I'll be happy. 6 of that team are 22 or under, McGregor is 24, Forrest is 26. The future's bright, the future's green and white.
#358
Quote from: bannside on February 11, 2018, 06:17:54 PM
My hunch is that Rodgers will go first decent offer comes in for him. He might think he has taken us as far as he can...and there isnt any higher to go with Celtic. Just my opinion!

Your hunch is way off! He will not leave without some major change in circumstances. He knows full well (and knew when he took the job) what the restrictions are. He is not motivated by money, having made plenty through and away from football. Celtic is his club and he wishes to leave Celtic having created a lasting dynasty. Now that might be fanciful but he isn't going to up sticks at the first lucrative offer to come along fom England. He has already managed one of the biggest clubs in England and his ambition lies beyond that. He knows how fickle football clubs are. Unless the Celtic board renege on promises or Celtic start to fail, he is here for the foreseeable. This year was always going to be tough after the heights of last but lets see what happens. Next year if things have not progressed then perhaps is the time to start talking about BR leaving.
#359
General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
February 05, 2018, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 05, 2018, 10:14:50 AM
It was neither a red or a yellow, he got caught with a player coming in from outside his line of vision and couldnt get stopped in time.

Anywhere on the pitch it is a foul, so it should have been a pen. Fact it was inside the last seconds was just unfortunate but dont think there is a massive arguement to be had on it.
If VVD had committed more to the tackle, Lamella would have clattered into his back and a foul out would have resulted. VVD's fault and technically a foul but 100% bought by Lamella. I would rather in incidents like that, the ref was allowed to apply discretion because it's soft as f**k.
#360
General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
February 01, 2018, 12:33:57 PM
It was as a strange balance. Almost like 4-1-1-4. Sanchez was deeper than Pogba a lot in the second half. United were sucker punched but could have had a couple themselves in that blitzkrieg first five minutes. Still second though.