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And cavan4sam, people at a county board meeting had an opportunity to object if they wanted - Now I am assuming there was a Castlerahan rep there and said nothing.

PIU every post recently from you is anti Gaels so get over it. We dont really care what you think or will ever care what you think.

We should not have been in the intermediate championship in the first place, we didnt even win the Junior. We entered the Junior B to give lads football who have been training all year plus a few lads who will be getting calls to come out of retirement. There will be a few names playing who wouldnt even get on the Bailiborough team and thats saying a lot.

Good win for us yesterday - can't believe I saw another 13 man victory over 15!!

One comment for the ref - can't actually believe someone could be that bad.  He was an absloutely scandal - sent off 2 boys for damn all and keep men on the field who should have got the line.  Hope he never gets another game

Who was the ref?

The Gaels have some strength in depth

Terry Coyle will no doubt correct me, but they were without the following from what i could see
Pauric Smith,John Gurhy,Gavin Duffy and Cormac Neiligan didnt start,
Darren Rabbitte,Nicholas Walsh was missing
Daniel Graham,Conor McClarey and Robert Maloney Derham,are in the States i believe.

You can add Micheal Lyng, Martin Dunne, Kevin Meehan, Declan Meehan and Mark Leddy to that list. Not a bad second team to have if they were about.

We did what we had to - if Lavey had have taken some of the easy chances they had in the first half then it could have been a draw or close enough at half time. Goal killed the game off in second half.

Good points by Konica except one. I know we have never won in Ulster but to say we embarrass ourselves is over the top. Not too many teams took St. Galls to extra time with 4 sent off (that was embarrassing). And any other game we have lost has been close enough.

Cucus bet Kingscourt by a point was a bit of a shock as well. Expected Kingscourt to go far enough this year. Mullahoran Belturbet tonight should be an interesting one. Mullahoran by a point! Very close game.

From what I was told we would have had to field about 7/8 minors this weekend to field a between because of lads away and injuries to senior players which would result in players from second team having to play in senior champ tonight. Lads who have been training all year for intermediate now have nothing to train for, so I may as well just hit the town this weekend.. And every other weekend this year. 8 lads from minor team was not acceptable, 3/4 is ok but that many in fairness is not on.

Rookie mistake made which will have to be addressed one way or the other. If any other club did the same I'd be giving out stink. Anyway got to concentrate on tonight regardless of what has happened.

Isnt there 3 weekends in a row of championship games to get the groups out of the way?

Yeah 0-15 to 2-06

I thought Killeshandra would have been the darkhorses for the intermediate. Going well in division 1 but I suppose that doesnt really say much either. Cant see the goonies going the distance.

And just on the comments about nobody liking them, I remember being at a game down there in their hollow and having a right going at their supporters. Jesus I thought some of our lads were bad.. Got to love winding people up at games!

Yeah we are out, bloody joke. Members of our board f**ked up. There will be a lot of harsh words this weekend.

[ability]

Full moon you reckon we dont have the ability to beat a Louth or Sligo team in championship. Could not disagree more with you. We have the ability to beat them teams, as well as Limerick, and look what they have done. What we need is to be able to up it once to another level of intensity once we hit Championship then we can compete and take these teams.

I think its worth pointing out here as well the level of commitment the panel have given over the last 7-9 months. Sacrificing weekends, weeknights for training/games. It can be easy for us talk behing a keyboard or on a pub stool but these lads have put the hard yards in. They will be back, but hopefully just with a better setup that can get the most out of them and help us reach our potential. We can make a second division side / last 12 champ with the right people there and then we can work from there.

This is where we differ ... ability.

The only other more useless word used in sport is the word 'potential'.
All that matters is championship performance and based on championship games Cavan would get hammered by Sligo.
Ability. 'I have the ability to pull Jessica Alba, but I just didn't'. You could say every county have the 'ability', 'potential', call it what you will. Pubs, coffee houses and Junior B teams are full of 'ability'.

You have to ask though about the training also. What were they doing for 8 months that left them in such a state? How well were they prepared? Was that whole fight night thing a waste of time? I feel sorry for the genuine guy who sacrificed his time over the winter to end the year like that. But there's questions over that whole thing too.

Jesus Christ if we (or more importantly the players) dont believe we can compete with these teams then we are doomed.

[ability]

Full moon you reckon we dont have the ability to beat a Louth or Sligo team in championship. Could not disagree more with you. We have the ability to beat them teams, as well as Limerick, and look what they have done. What we need is to be able to up it once to another level of intensity once we hit Championship then we can compete and take these teams.

I think its worth pointing out here as well the level of commitment the panel have given over the last 7-9 months. Sacrificing weekends, weeknights for training/games. It can be easy for us talk behing a keyboard or on a pub stool but these lads have put the hard yards in. They will be back, but hopefully just with a better setup that can get the most out of them and help us reach our potential. We can make a second division side / last 12 champ with the right people there and then we can work from there.

Firstly, I'm not in a bubble 

Point I was trying to make was that Louth, Fermanagh and Limerick are not better than us, but where they do better is that they can raise their game come Championship. We dont seem to have that, we appear to play at the same level of the league, no ruthlessness. In the Fermanagh game I cant remember any bust ups with players squaring up or a player showing his man he was no push over.

All what you said is basically agreeing with me. Bottom line is no real leaders in key positions.

Some good ideas there alright. What do you think of the number of clubs in Cavan? I think it is too many but I have no figures of what other counties numbers are so if anyone has that info then I would love to see it. Or even figures of the amount of clubs in Cavan back in the day when we were actually winning All-Irelands.

I honestly think we are not rock bottom.. If we were rock bottom we would have been relegated from division 3 and not won one championship game this year. Lets face it, the Cork game was the worst draw we could have got. Its as if you could feel the whole county just sigh and say "Ah well, thats the end of the championship for another year!". Once the players went down a few points, away to Cork the belief simply wasnt there. Heads dropped and was no way back. Now the question of heads dropping is another story but this game is not a fair reflection od where we are at.

In my opinion, there are 3 elite teams in the country - Cork, Kerry and Tyrone. We happened to meet one of them and what happened, well lets just forget it. Are we worse than Louth, Sligo or Limerick?? Not a chance.

What the real worry is why cant we up our game for Fermanagh for example. The lads prepare as well as anyone else (and I mean) but what the difference is passion, belief and real leaders. Thats what happened against Wicklow - Jelly came on and lifted the team with some good scores and everyone else lifted their games, you could see the drive and belief then.

Whats needed now is to try and get that from the start of a game.. Too man lads afraid to play in case they make a mistake, f**k it, we need a corner back to put a midfielder on his arse, pass it on take a return pass and slot it between the posts. We need a centre back to come steaming through the middle and set up a score. We need the corner forward to make block on his own 45 after chasing his man for 70 yards. If we dont believe firstly then we are going nowhere.

We need a passionate manager to instill this in to the players and say just go for the juggler - if the goal is on, go for it. Terry Hyland is not that man. Now I dont know who is within the county but if we start thinking we are useless then we will play useless. From my own club if we thought we had no hope of beating Galls last year then we wouldnt have given them probably their toughest game of the year.

Lets get a man in who can put ashiver down your spine before you leave that dressing room. An Cabhán abu.

[Terry Hyland]

Lacken's Terry Hyland, who managed the Cavan under 21 and junior teams to provincial final appearances this year, is the early favourite to succeed Carr.

Holy sh*t from bad to worse. Agree with you Mac, has no tactics whatsoever terrible decision if they go ahead with this.

Yeah but TC always says we are mad for it anyway.

Anyway the team wont be too far away from this I am told:

                        Fintan
Hannon       Sheridan   Brides
Cahill         McCutcheon   Clarke/Brady
       Gallo McGuigan
Flanagan  Nesty    McKeever
Jelly      Brennan Mackey/Larry

Good team but I heard Charlie Clarke is coming back to help out with the midfield problem! He will be laying it on a plate for Larry and co.!

I think you hit a nerve with another in the closet Gaels man, put it up. Wouldn't mind, I've rarely seen a player get full on criticism never mind abuse fron anyone here. Bar me, I like to stick the knife in.  So that point is null and void.

Who is the other in closet Gaels man then? Must meet him for a pint!

put it up maybe get ur facts rite first tommy carr said sumit about his ankle not himself. more cavan fans abuse, and to the minors picking out players is terrible, armagh no 11 taken off by d way,all the cavan team gave it their all

Firstly Sam's the aim maybe learn some punctuation.

Secondly, ponder on this question for a second my good friend. Who do you think told Tommy he had a sore ankle?

And, while I am at it, maybe you should get your facts right. I didn't give Seanie any abuse, I asked a question. I have nothing but respect for him as a player and as an athlete - I just noticed he always seems to carry some knock before a big-game. That is a fact.

Goes to show what a player he is when he has a knock and can still do what he did against Wicklow.