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So what would your defensive line up be then?

I posted this the other day on the Derry thread - so something like this:

B Gillis
S Lockhart (picking up Downey)
K McCloy (on Ronaghan)
G O'Kane (free man (not Freeman))
B Mullan (on McManus... again!)
B McGoldrick (on Finlay)
SL McGoldrick (on Woods)
F Doherty
P Bradley
C McKaigue (might have to come back to track Gollogly)
M Lynch
B McGuigan
S Bradley
E Bradley
J Kielt

McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.

One of the best parts of the derry-monaghan game in may was freeman and mcguckin's relentless battle. Both will be out for this, on what are very very harsh suspensions.

  Big miss surely, but reckon he'd be a bigger miss if Freeman was playing. Quality defender! Who'll take his place do ya reckon?

McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.

Big surprise that he wasn't successful. Given that there's a general consensus that the media has a big influence on these matters and that it was generally agreed that it was a harsh call, it's even more surprising.

its not good but want you going to do? the common sense approach in the gaa is definately been left behind.

good point he would be a bigger miss with tommy freeman being out but i really an strugglin to think who is going to fill his shoes. perhaps gerard o'kane will fall back but i hope not. i like his style when he is attacking. i really am stumped as to who is going to start unless im overlookin people. maybe mcbride from screen or joe keenan from magherafelt. dunno tho

any thoughts sideline dick?

We coped without Lockhart the last day against mongahan, so it will probably be a similar defensive lineup - ie Lockhart in for McGuckin.

What's the problem here anyway? Freeman attempted to headbutt an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.

And by that logic Doherty and Mullan were seen to strike an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.

Strike with the knee warrants 4 weeks
Kicking with minimal force warrants 4 weeks

check it out, then build a bridge and get over it,

Correct!

But then, what would Banty have to complain about?

What's the problem here anyway? Freeman attempted to headbutt an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.

[I think if he had have got 8 weeks then Mullan would have accepted the same.]

Listen fella - I was at the game but did not see Doc swiping at Clerkin. I am (like the legal counsel and Joe Brolly) basing my evidence on the TV footage - the same TV footage as you were presented with. Freeman was hardly on his own in 'acting the maggot' all day. No one is suggesting that either team is free of sin, not by a long shot. The fact remains that the two Derry lads actually struck and got four weeks and the Monaghan man attempted to strike and got 8 weeks. I'm hardly blaming you personally for this but it's wrong, end of story.

Maybe we should get McGuckian to write a nicely worded letter on fragrant paper to the DRA/CAC/ABC/RUC/PSNI and any other quango kangaroo court that exists within the sport categorically stating that Freeman didn't actually strike with the head.

  It's the interpretation of the rules that I take umbrage with.

Dont like being call fella, but I'll let you away with it, this time.

I agree with the poor interpretation of the rules.  To me this goes back to the Tommy McGuigan incident. I think if he had have got 8 weeks then Mullan would have accepted the same. Personally I thought it warranted 8 weeks.  Freeman's is certainly very harsh and although I say he was acting the maggot I dont think he deserved such a lengthy suspension. Doc and Clerkin were at it all day, Doc just happened to be caught. If you're caught then you can have no complaints.

Yeah  right

Why do you say that? I think if that had have been the marker then Derry would have had no basis for an appeal. But the fact that McGuigan got 4 weeks for the same offcence, it made sense to appeal it. I look forward to another intelligent response from you. "Yeah right" will be hard to top in fairness 

Not forgetting as well Sideline that McGuigan actually appealed the 4-week ban!!

is a hateful p***k!

I think it should be Derry v Monaghan. Two really talented teams who play fast-flowing open football, supplemented by some of the best players in the country. Knockout football at its best, it has the makings of an absolute classic:

2-16 apiece.

Would this have anything to do with a relative who has publically stated that he wanted to manage his native county  ?

If it was, then he should have quit the panel when this "relative" didn't get the job... last october!
That could hardly be the excuse now.

But the managerial stock has risen considerably with the recent success in the Ulster Championship.
Its now a different ball game

So Baker wins a couple of games with antrim and suddenly we should bring him in as the derry boss??

Its a fake rise in stock imo. Beating cavan, and a donegal team that shot 18 wides - hardly setting the world alight. Tyrone will sort antrim out properly i reckon.

Will Doherty be available for Derry??

Giving the good gael he is reported to be, there probably could be a chance he'll be collecting for some of the charities on the approach to the ground on Saturday.....

Hopefully there'll be nobody stamping on his face this time anyway.

As for McManus, we'll put Brian Mullan on him from the start.

Would this have anything to do with a relative who has publically stated that he wanted to manage his native county  ?

If it was, then he should have quit the panel when this "relative" didn't get the job... last october!
That could hardly be the excuse now.

[but it was a yellow card]

Yip and bottom line only for the dose of a referee he wouldnt have got the line, but it was a yellow card. 

For Cavanagh or McGuckin?
I agree, both probably deserved yellows.

By the way, it was hardly a fine point from Cavanagh... he could have been blown up twice for over-carrying.

Could have been injured.
He's a pretty decent trier usually so I wouldn't call him lazy.
Maybe he left himself with too much to do coming back from Australia and is struggling to find form?

watching the analysis last night, they showed multiple incidences of him being surrounded by 3 tyrone players when the ball came near him.  If he was going to show for the ball and make runs he would have ended up out in his own half (like his brother frequently did in the second half), both of them need to be played close to goal - the plan was for pb to run into the space in front of him, unfortunately there wasn't any, unfortunately neither was there a plan b.

Why would Cassidy not have envisaged that Tyrone were going to play a sweeper/extra man on Bradley?

Of course Cassidy knew Tyrone would do this. This wasn't Derry's problem, the problem was we couldn't win the ball - we were non-existant in midfield and half-forward lines. and any ball we did get wasn't moved quickly enough, or switched to the wings. Our forward line stood no chance.

Is this gouging from McGuigan? He's never pulled a dity stroke in his life though... not a dirty player

Paddy Bradley would have been well within his rights to thump McMenamin after he put his head in Bradley's face. Glad he didn't respond to the sc**bag though. Nice fella off the pitch though

Couldn't think of where i'd heard this idea before, and then I thought yeah, i read about it a few seconds ago on the back page! In an interview with the monaghan chairman:
http://www.irishnews.com/appnews/597/5776/2009/6/12/619945_384331802026Banty821.html



The Monaghan chief will also argue for better umpires to officiate at big Championship games. He said: "We should be involving up-and-coming referees to act as umpires and giving them responsibility and confidence because it is these men who will be refereeing Ulster finals in four or five years time."

[why do you only mention tommy]

I have said Mullan deserves a ban whether he kneed him in the balls, stomach, eyebrow, calf, back, tooth, earlobe, big toe. It doesn't matter. My point is he deserves the same as Tommy McGuigan as it was the same offence.

Looking at the bigger picture, two wrongs don't make a right. I know the recent McGuigan case is being cited, but 4 weeks is hardly appropriate for a knee in the nuts when, as i have already mentioned, Finlay got 8 weeks last year for verbals with the ref.

BTW, is there a video link to the Tommy McGuigan incident?

I completely agree Maguire which is why I said Tommy should have got 8 weeks, then Mullan would have had to take 8 weeks as well.  Perhaps contradicting myself slightly in the fact that if its there to be appealed then why not? I just think if the previous incident had have got the proper suspension Mullan's would follow with no questions asked.  Think that makes sense?

why do you only mention tommy , Ricey got a 8 week ban for a hell of a lot less than Mullan so why not compare Ricey's ban against Mullans and looking at that Mullan should have got 12 weeks

f**k me you're as thick as indiana.  McGuigan KNEED sean marty in the balls, Mullan KNEED McManus in the balls, McMeniman did not knee anyone in the balls 

Then why the f**k did Ricey get 8 weeks and the other 2 only get 4 weeks  doesn't make sense

Not sure - he was originally given 6-weeks, which was an unheard-of suspension length. maybe tyrone should have tried getting it reduced to 4 weeks (which they prob would have succeeded with) instead of trying to get it fully quashed.