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Dublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.

I expect that means that Dublin did not rate Monaghan then.

Unfortunately that is the correct assumption.

When it comes down to it, Dublin know they will beat Monaghan 95 times out of a 100 in the big games.

Today I'll think of big Art. Never would he manage a team against our own.

100%. It was never about Art. A legend.

The disrespect Mickey Harte gets in Tyrone a disgrace.Tyrone ditched Mickey Harte if memory serves me right,did Tyrone people expect him never  to manage again with a team that might be competitive?Mickey didn't decide to leave Tyrone because Derry came calling.

Tyrone supporters are serious begrudgers especially against there own. That's a fact unfortunately.

Ah now come on. Even in premier league football where it's all about money you don't see too many managers going to rival clubs.

Facts are mickey constantly talked about loyalty and playing in front of your own fans then he u turned on all that and went to a rival.

Exactly. He came out against professionalism etc. too. I think it's fair enough if you are transparent about being self interested or wanting a coaching career, but not if you have been painting yourself as the complete opposite and judging others for the same. Things weren't managed that great with how he left, but he was by far, the longest serving manager that Tyrone ever had and many of those years were not great...

It reminds me of Wenger who had always spoke out about the bad elements of soccer and then went to work for FIFA, brushing off and defending some pretty terrible stuff for them.

I think Harte did get too much grief before this, but think this is fundamentally against the GAA ethos. He should have managed Errigal, kept with Louth or managed Tyrone underage teams etc. Going to a county rival, shows a lack of class imo.

Tyrone Senior Football Squad – Allianz Football League R2 – Sunday 4th February

1.  Niall Morgan (Éadan na dTorc)
2.  Conall Devlin (Dún Geanainn)
3.  Padraig Hampsey (Oileán a'Ghuail)
4.  Aidan Clarke (An Ómaigh)
5.  Cormac Quinn (Aireagal Chiaráin)
6.  Michael McKernan (Oileán a'Ghuail)
7.  Ben Cullen (Éadan na dTorc)
8.  Brian Kennedy (Doire Locháin)
9.  Tarlach Quinn (Baile na Móna)
10. Niall Devlin (Oileán a'Ghuail)
11. Peter Harte (Aireagal Chiaráin)
12. Seanie O'Donnell (Trí Leac)
13. Darren McCurry (Éadan na dTorc)
14. Darragh Canavan (Aireagal Chiaráin)
15. Ciarán Daly (Trí Leac)

Lorcan Quinn (Domhnach Mór)
Ruairi Canavan (Aireagal Chiaráin)
Conor Cush (Domhnach Mór)
Aodhan Donaghy (Loch Mhic Ruairí)
James Donaghy (An Charraig Mhór)
Steve Donaghy (An Mhaigh)
Nathan McCarron (An Droim Mór)
Lorcan McGarrity (An Charraig Mhór)
Michael McGleenan (An Eaglais)
David Mulgrew (Ard Bó)
Tiarnan Quinn (Oileán a'Ghuail)

Tyrone doing pretty well considering half the team have no real senior county experience / are 21 or younger. Good to see chances given to new faces.

Doing pretty well considering half the team have no real senior county experience / are 21 or younger. Good to see chances given to new faces.

I think this talk of retirements and withdrawals is a bit tiring. There's plenty of good footballer and I don't think they players who would significantly improve Tyrone on what's there now. There's a few more standout players, but while Sludden and to a much lesser extent, Richie Donnelly have proven their worth, they are in the way of other players potentially making a step up.

I think the lack of commitment of L Brennan and Donaghy is disappointing, but they were given a decent amount of chances and there are good players in their position. I think the point about players having a different temperament is true to a certain extent, but that's the same case for every county. We shouldn't forget a lot of the 00s legends retired quite early and I just think these amateurs are realising that there's more to life, especially if they are bench warming and can't play football (definitely needs to be a rethink about releasing non-key players).

New Tyrone jersey is an upgrade in my opinion

I'm not sure about it, but it's a nice change from the horrendous and plain ones we have had for a number of years.

Also, noticing it costs £54(€62), but if someone in the south wants to buy it, it's €75. Same for all GAA jerseys.

I'd say it would show an unfavourable edge to Dublin and Kerry? I think they've beaten us more than we've beat them. Could be wrong.

I see Cathal McShane has put on instagram that he has had surgery today on an ongoing issue. Wonder could it be that old ankle injury he had. He hasn't looked right since that at all.

He looked pretty sharp when he came on against Kerry?

Tyrone would be immeasurably strengthened if they can get him back anywhere near to his 2019 form. I think he had, arguably, the best championship of any inside forward for Tyrone since the 00s that season. An inform McShane along with the Canavans and McCurry would be hard stopped.

For five years or so, nobody could touch Dublin, Mayo could give them a game, but still weren't at that level.

Dublin will be there or there abouts, no doubt. But the playing field is much more level now.

On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.

Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.

I thought it was a great exhibition of tackling and defending. I think the weather and the way football is now with mass defences made it highly unlikely to be a footballing classic. On a dry day it could have been. I still enjoyed the tenseness, but there was too much safety passing, there were notably lulls in the crowd's noise. I was watching a bit of games from 20 years ago and it was mad how much it was just attacking and launching the ball forward. 

I'd have to agree the narrative would be different if one of them or both were an Ulster team. I remember during the Kerry V Dublin match last year, they even complained about the Galway v Armagh match, from the previous day which they complained about all through, it while over egging that match as the best of all time. The hurling is great for promoting their product, there's too many cranky contrarians (though less so now with the auld boys gone) covering football pushing lazy narratives. RTE are paying for the rights, madness that they'd then pay someone to make the product look bad.

Who are these players out of interest, cause for ever one you mention am sure there's a defender out there who has kept them quite.

Canavan, Stephen O'Neill, D Connolly, Gooch, B Brogan, Sean Cavanagh, Brogan, Fenton, J McCarthy, Lee Keegan, McCaffrey. These are all I can think of off hand. I can't speak to other players that I haven't seen like F McGuigan, Sheehy, Spillane, Jack Ó Sé, Matt Connors, Maurice Fitz etc, but I'm sure they would have to be included. I'm not saying any of these are as good as him, but they are certainly ahead of him in certain areas. Obviously it's hard to judge with the levels of preparation that goes in nowadays as well too.

Do people think his one Celtic cross and not performing in some big contests makes him the stand out player of all time already? 

I think the best team won. I can't see the claims against Gough. In the first half, I felt he was giving Kerry the soft frees and reluctant to give Dublin frees as well as giving them a few soft yellows. Second half I didn't notice much either way, besides there should have been more time given after Rock's free.

The weather definitely didn't help the game.

Dublin showed they can still get there. They have cemented their position as the best team of all time, even if most have moved on. I wouldn't be quick to claim they won't win any more. They'll no doubt have more players to come through and the current crop will rise to carry the mantle.

There's no absolutely outstanding teams at the moment in my eyes, though I could just be being nostalgic. Tyrone, and Kerry were in the 00s. Dublin in the 2010s. This Kerry team have more to prove, I think.

Clifford, I think has too. He's almost certainly the best player in the country, but for the hype he gets he's not hitting the stratospheric levels of performance that would warrant it in my opinion. I've seen individual players who can win their own ball better, players who can beat a man easier, players who can pass better, players who could kick better or more outrageous points and players who could impose themselves on a big game better than David Clifford. That may be extremely harsh, which it is, but there's been a narrative since he was 17 that he's going to be the undisputed greatest of all time, but I would have expected an impact like Jonah Lomu or Messi etc. for that to be true. But, he may ascend there yet!

I wouldn't be completely opposed to them staying on. They're both intelligent and determined fellas. They obviously believe they can get Tyrone going.  They've done it which very few can say.

That said, if they do stay, I would expect that the board, the management and players have a full and honest examination of what's been going wrong, what needs to improve and what needs to be shaken up. There's enough talent in Tyrone that we should be competitive and winning all Irelands regularly. There mustn't be drift. Also questions must be asked why so many talented players are dropping off the panel and if it's something than can be helped or is it just players don't fancy it (which is understandable given the commitment required), would allowing the more peripheral members to play club help keep them on board?

[It wasn't Tyrone's fault that Kerry didn't get the cake walk that they had expected.]

Tyrone had little to no proper preparation. They took medical advice. Do people honestly think that those medical professionals at the top of their field would put their name and career on the line over this?

They were training with 10 or 15 for most of the period concerned and maybe had one or two training sessions with the full compliment. Kerry could have advanced to the final if they wanted to. It was their choice. They had no shortage of preparation.

It wasn't Tyrone's fault that Kerry didn't get the cake walk that they had expected.