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Aidan Carr's foul was hardly worth a red card???

Did he not strike?

I thought it was just a tough shoulder??

Sort of feel for Carr, McGrath & that other bollock McDermott were throwin sly digs all day and didn't get caught.  Can't blame Ross Carr, he has about 5 inter county players to work with, the rest are average club players & average at that

How long is Vernon likely to be out with a broken jaw? Weeks? Months?

From just doing a google search for sportsmen with this injury it would seem that it can be anywhere from 5 or 6 weeks up to several months. Suppose it depends how bad the fracture is, how well it heals, etc. If it turns out that he did break it, I'd say he's definitely out for Tyrone anyway. Huge blow 

Your right AFS, having suffered this a few years ago, it will depend how bad the break is and were. In my case it was 16 weeks, but i had 3 breaks 2 on the lower cheek bone and 1 on the upper.  he should be informed that if he goes to the oxygen chamber it will drastically speed up the healing process, and there's a chance he could feature against Tryone if this was done pronto.  Do you know how if it's just 1 break or more.

God its hard to watch Jordan's diving and play acting. i actually turn over for a few minutes every time he does it then inquisitivieness eventually takes me back.

I have to agree with you there, it a shame he goes on like this, cause he's a good player & a nice guy to boot, but his actions are making him look like a right tosser and something the game could do without.

sk was very good near the end.

i'm not having a go at henderson... just assessing his game

Now was the assessment from The GAA or Corn02, since you 2 are the same person

[ah right. total nonsense obviously]

Its called an 'opinion' GAA look it up in the dictionary.

ah right. total nonsense obviously

Im glad you can admit that.

Have you been sneaking onto Mummys computer again.
Now off you run there sunshine and do some revision for your school tests, or is the 11+ over.

Billy. don't you realise that The GAA & Corn02 are the same person.

too complacent against fermanagh 5 hr training session the Thursday night before a Saturday match - cost Armagh AI

That's not true is it?

it sure is.

He's a player all right. always seems to be sitting in wee nook or cranny which allows him to see things in cross games that noone else in the ground sees

Oh shit, I'm found out   who could i be, Larry kerains perhaps !!!   if you seen the size of me, you'd know I wasn't

[What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved]

Very few, me included have condoned Francie.  Some outright condemn him, others less so.

but others have condemned it so I don't see your point.  



As regards the tunnel incident, the second half of your statement is close to what I was told.  I do not know if what you say is correct in that a Ballinderry sub was knocked over first.  What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved and he may or may not have seen everything, the same way as your eyewitness may or may not have seen everything.  Anyway, it is a matter of opinion again as to who started it, without clear first hand knowledge through video footage or personally witnessing it.

As regards Tony Kernan diving, I think it is accepted that he was struck by Wilkinson.  The ref had a clearer view of it than anyone, and if he did push/strike then it is a minimum yellow and as he was already on one there was no option other than to send him off.




 I would hope that they realise that they are a much better team than they showed last Sunday, as they got a small bit carried away with the hard man approach, when it was clear that football would have been a better option for them.

Your reply is a reasonable and eloquent one, and naturally comes from a biased viewpoint, as does mine. I have some issues with the qoutes above:

Firstly, Francies headbutt has been met with a fraction of the uproar that Conways dive was given.  This sickens me to be honest, as I think Francie has "disgraced" himself at least as much as Darren had.

Regarding the tunnel incident, my info comes from our sub who was pushed and then punched to the ground.t

Thirdly, I accept that Conor Wilkinson hit Tony Kernan, in the STOMACH.  Tony fell to the ground holding his face, and was still holding his face as the ref booked himself and Conor.  This is playacting in my book, the same crime as Conway/

I, finally, do accept that we are a better team than we showed last Sunday.  However, the hard man approach you speak off was used in abundance by Cross, on many occasions, more so than us I would argue.

We are not going to agree on this as we come from polar opposite view points .  My beef is not with you BC1, but more with sections of the printed media.  Martin McHugh, Brendan Crossan and Kenny Archer, to name but a few, were outraged and very outspoken after the drawn game regarding Darren Conway.  Why is this outrage not transferrable to Fraincie?  Surely this is a valid point?

both you & BC make very good points on all the incidents, but regarding your view of the tunnel issue, your sub is telling a porky & i don't make that point lightly.  I seen the incident & the B/derry sub struck first as I stated before, this is what kicked it all off.

Seems like your trying to do your own bit of PR for the club Doyourjob.

Sooooooooooo............GOH  Out of all the people on here,  and I believe there are a few who were actually closer to the incident than they want us to know, with  you not being a Crossmaglen Supporter and with it nearly being impossible to see from anywhere in Brewster Park that day, your really not from Crossmaglen thenor involved with them someway perhaps?

No Joxer I'm not.  I was standing at the bottom end goals right beside the fence on the way into the tunnel, so i had a clear view as i said. I don't know the name of the Cross sub that got the first belt, but I do know the name of the other cross sub who ran after the B/derry sub and floored him. As the other players came in, it just went from there.  To be honest I didn't see that many punches thrown, it was more pushing & shoving really.

goh4025

both you & BC make very good points on all the incidents, but regarding your view of the tunnel issue, your sub is telling a porky & i don't make that point lightly.  I seen the incident & the B/derry sub struck first as I stated before, this is what kicked it all off.

Seems like your trying to do your own bit of PR for the club Doyourjob.

You dont seem to miss much, but you were reporting nonsense from the Harps v Cross semi, so I wouldn't believe your oath.
what Nonsence was that Benny.

I find Cross supporters a bit arrogant, but they've certainly earned the right to be - not the blow in supporters.

So are you implying if you went to a game as a neutral that would restrict you from commenting on that game?

[What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved]

Very few, me included have condoned Francie.  Some outright condemn him, others less so.

but others have condemned it so I don't see your point.  



As regards the tunnel incident, the second half of your statement is close to what I was told.  I do not know if what you say is correct in that a Ballinderry sub was knocked over first.  What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved and he may or may not have seen everything, the same way as your eyewitness may or may not have seen everything.  Anyway, it is a matter of opinion again as to who started it, without clear first hand knowledge through video footage or personally witnessing it.

As regards Tony Kernan diving, I think it is accepted that he was struck by Wilkinson.  The ref had a clearer view of it than anyone, and if he did push/strike then it is a minimum yellow and as he was already on one there was no option other than to send him off.




 I would hope that they realise that they are a much better team than they showed last Sunday, as they got a small bit carried away with the hard man approach, when it was clear that football would have been a better option for them.

Your reply is a reasonable and eloquent one, and naturally comes from a biased viewpoint, as does mine. I have some issues with the qoutes above:

Firstly, Francies headbutt has been met with a fraction of the uproar that Conways dive was given.  This sickens me to be honest, as I think Francie has "disgraced" himself at least as much as Darren had.

Regarding the tunnel incident, my info comes from our sub who was pushed and then punched to the ground.t

Thirdly, I accept that Conor Wilkinson hit Tony Kernan, in the STOMACH.  Tony fell to the ground holding his face, and was still holding his face as the ref booked himself and Conor.  This is playacting in my book, the same crime as Conway/

I, finally, do accept that we are a better team than we showed last Sunday.  However, the hard man approach you speak off was used in abundance by Cross, on many occasions, more so than us I would argue.

We are not going to agree on this as we come from polar opposite view points .  My beef is not with you BC1, but more with sections of the printed media.  Martin McHugh, Brendan Crossan and Kenny Archer, to name but a few, were outraged and very outspoken after the drawn game regarding Darren Conway.  Why is this outrage not transferrable to Fraincie?  Surely this is a valid point?

both you & BC make very good points on all the incidents, but regarding your view of the tunnel issue, your sub is telling a porky & i don't make that point lightly.  I seen the incident & the B/derry sub struck first as I stated before, this is what kicked it all off.

Seems like your trying to do your own bit of PR for the club Doyourjob.

The Keady delight has returned

Thought i offended you TheGAA last time you posted.  Perhaps you & corn02 are the same person?  if i was from Cross I wouldn't be denying it either lad.

Yep same person. And, like you, I am pretending to be from another club. Go Keady.
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Just to put this nonsense from goh to bed that he's not a cross man....

i thought you boys were all proud of your roots?

Pints  you can make whatever assumption you like, I am only saying what I saw and what I was told. to say that intent is striking is false and push could be interpreted as a strike, but is it.
The person who told me about this is an x Harps player and someone with a very honest view, this was also his view on what I said about Kelly been a yap and was always lying down.  So if thats his opinion as a Harps man, then what do most Cross & neutrals think.

I was at the game, but i was to far away from the incident to see properly.  but what in will say is the Harps peno what charing offence & the goal they got was clearly a push in the back by the no.15. adding to that John McEntee was clearly pushed out over the line which lead to the goal & Tony McEntee has a nice shiner for his troubles after been hit off the ball. Also when did it become legal to allow a 4 man tackle?  I lost count the amount of times Harps were allowed to get away with this.  As for the Francie incident I was talking to a mate who was right behind the goals and seem what happened, the No.13 had been goading Francie for most of the 2nd half and he locked arms with Francie trying to get him to pull him down to get him booked & Francie just pushed him away & he fell.  So the point is cross don't get it all there own way when it comes to refs. regarding a re-fixture if i were Harps I keep wondering of the what if, because if there was to be a reply they would get shown up bigtime as has happened in replays before.

I've heard this alot over the years and if anyone is to blame for that incident it is Benny.  I was at that game and the ball he gave him had several blue lights on it. The ball was there to challenge for and Francie been Francie he went for the ball.  If you even go back to the Down game this year in clones when Danny Hughes & him clashed going for the ball, I was sitting right infront of this and at no time did Bellew take his eyes of the ball which meant if the man was in the way, well tough shit.

Your views are probably what alot of others are thinking, however they do have a few decent lads on their.  a good friend of mine asked a tryone panelists what sort of a clown that Ricey was & his reply was "every county has one"  meaning he's a complete w**ker on and off the pitch.  As for Gormley I think he is a brilliant player that doesn't need to do the things he does.  He should have walked against Mayo for persistant fouling & then belting Mortimer in the back of the net.  Cowardly way to do it, but thats just the it is.
I was at the Dromore/Crossmaglen match last year in the Ulster club match and Ricey was giving McConville shit, I guess about the book, and when John McEntee got his chance he gave him a belt and he never opened his mouth the rest of the game.  So point been they will bully you if they think they'll get away with it. 

God I really wanna stop talking about this but basically you know yourself and its clear to everyone else that when you asked "why did your number 14 kick the ball into the net 3-4 times after scoring" you didn't raise it as a valid question, which was proven by the fact that you answered your own question. It was a childish attempt to take the piss, and hardly an issue thats worth being raised on a discussion board.

Doctor who? Is this really the height of your humour? The craic must be ninety in your house of a saturday night. BC1 are you not ashamed to be posting alongside such an idiot?

The fact that you have to insult me totally explains my point, I guess if someone from my club acted like that tool did then I'd be out fighting to defend him, then again i wouldn't.   BC1 is well able to speak for himself and doesn't need any jibes from you with the attempt to drag him into it, you Dromintee boys should know all about fighting among yourself.

before you imply about me been from Cross, can i inform you I'm not. I was there seeing the great new hope we have from Dromintee among our ranks & to be frank I wasn't impressed.  He was shit scared of an former county lion whom he didn't dare challenge not even once, which says a lot for our selection policy.  We have loads of fringe players like him already who are nothing more than average club players.

I thought that hanratty lad had super game from what i seen, he's a strong lad who could put it up to most midfielders in the county. infact the above mentioned who played yesterday were pretty quite it was the younger crop who made all the play, but it is probably insurance for the younger crop of players knowing that they have the lads above to fall back on.

That must have been what it was BC1, funny cross scored 2 goals and non of the 2 lads who scored acted like that, but as you say since they don't often score points against cross, apart from the occassion you mention never mind goals he probably thought he was doctor who

I went to this game thinking it could through up a fairly interesting challenge considering both teams were very under strength, but truthfully the class really showed in the first 5mins.  When you consider cross have 8 first team players away with Armagh the way they took off from the start it was like a whirl wind and Dromintee didn't know were to turn.  The score line could have been more if not for a brilliant save by the Dromintee keeper in both half's.  Cross looked extremely sharp or maybe the Dromintee lads just were very unfit.
Even with the Armagh connection, Dromintee face a mountain come championship time considering what cross have to come back in also.

Health and safety reasons were stated by goh and others for the final being in cross. Why then, could somebody tell me were these so important rules allowed to slide for semi finals?

It's all to do with the expected crowd attending..  I know someone who knows the health & safety office who inspected the ground for the 2006 final when Dromintee kicked had reservations about home advantage and quite simply they were told that there was no other pitch in Armagh that could facilitate the expected crowd.  The options were Newry or Clones, which the county board wouldn't allow as it would have been seen as an embarrassment upon the county..

I was at the 7's on Saturday and seen every game, apart from the Mullaghbawn/Ballymacnab game. I was right beside the Murtagh incident and to be fair he slammed the ball home from close range which the Clans keeper tried to dive at his feet, now weather Murtagh's boot caught him by accident or not I'm not sure, but there didn't seem to be any deliberate intention on Murtagh's behalf, there was a few words of verbal & the Clans keeper downed him. 

This all started in the first game when a clans player for no reason that i could see busted Tony Kernan of the ball, so I guess it was simmering from then.
The Ref was poor I have to admit, but he could have so easily sent off a few more, notably Marsden he was slapping McKeown anytime he got a chance & to be fair to McKeown he held his head & got on with it.  One thing I did notice though was that Marsden didn't happen to come back after Donal Murtagh had a go at him at a sideline ball & another when Donaldson clearly caught him with an upper cut, but I guess if it would have been anyone else he would having been looking to box, but for some reason he seemed to accept it from the 2 mentioned above (Perhaps he'd have been bitting off more than he could chew with any of these 2).

Barry O'Hagan is still a class player and should still be playing with Armagh.

Firstly congratulation to Cross on a stunning performance on Sunday, from about 10 mins into the game they never looked like losing. As Milltown said they were the better team on the day in everyway, skill, determination & fitness.  I happened to be in Newry so I made my way to the ground pretty early and seen them come out for their warm up onto the back pitch and they were so precise even in that.   In all the drills they did during their warm up I counted only one ball drop. Beside me was a well known ex-Down county manager who commented that are as well drilled as any county team.  How do they get this continual focus  instilled into these lads when you consider that the age gaps between some of the players is quite a lot, is it the fact that the younger guys have so much respect for the likes of Oisin & the McEntees that they just do what is required or as they told.   BC maybe you could answer this.

Lads,

you's can talk around the issue all day, but Winsamsoon is right, jealously is the only issue here. He's also right about the clans, they are the next most successful club in Armagh history, thats fact.

So for talk sake pints the bridge starting winning everything before them and the had a structure were they had 4/5 players coming through every year from minor etc.  after 4/5 years everybody would start hacking the shite out of you's and i bet you would like it.

Success breads contempt from other clubs, but you can't faulty cross for that

I go to alot of armagh football, cause the louth football is shite basically.  Been to a few bridge games, but non of late, i must take one in soon so i can have a right pop at you then.
I would agree with you on your last post, but the difference most of the Dromintee boys didn't wanna know when it hotted up. I know the bridge & cross one's don't get on & maybe there is reasons for that which i don't know, but i find it staggering that so many negitives are posted about Cross when they are the most successful team ever in Armagh & probably Ireland and almost all of them posts are from within Armagh.  I think any county would be proud to have a club team as good as them.

I was on the oppisite side to the stand and some of the verbals coming from the Dromintee supporters was just as bad.  The kernans for some reason seemed to come in for the most.

I thought the ref had a good game yesterday, he made his intentions clear fom the start that he wasn't gonna take any shit from anybody.  In saying that he did miss a few things,  the strike on Oisin in the first half, the strike on AK right in front of the lines man. The challenge from behind on SK which lead to him going off,  and the elbow on the cross no. 7 by AOR right at the end.  There was also a few rash challenge's by a few cross lads as well, which warrent a mention.
There was no way that Dromintee were able to live with the intensiity that Cross set, they seemed to keep pushing and moving at 100mph throughout the game.
Any body seem what happened in the first half when COR got his marching orders!

Your a champ uladh, you probably never kicked a ball in your life, well at a competitive level anyway.  I would feel abit left out, but I'm not the only poster to notice wee jimmy's faults (which were plenty). if I was from cross I'd say it & be proud of it.

As for corn02 i wouldn't expect anything else from you, since your from Dromintee, but can you confirm that AOR told wee  jimmy to go f**k himself during the match, and when he called him back he said it again & followed it with (Don't annoy my f**k'in head) if that would have been anybody else from any other team it would have been a straight red, but it proves my point from an earlier post that wee Jimmy did have another motive, and was clear for all to see.

Was at the Cross - Dromintee game and as a neutral I thought Jimmy McKee was a disgrace.  Marty O'Rourke should have got a straight red for his strike on the young corner back in the first half, but instead he give's marty's marker a yellow.

He also blew a cross half forward up i think for catching a clean kickout and then at the end he gives a fifty which never was & to top that of he  give Marty O'Rourke a free, when he should have blown for over carrying.

I hate picking out individuals, but Marty O'Rourke must be the biggest mouth in the country.  He was constinently at his marker trying to get him sent off and the dives he was getting away with was a joke.
If this is the best Ref in Armagh, he needs to look at himself in the mirror , it looked very clear to me that he was doing everything for Dromintee to snatch it.
If teams need the ref as well to beat cross then the standard outside cross must be pretty poor to say the least.

The most obvious quote to use is this one, when you lost the rag and admitted you were from cross...

A bit like the "Drive it home to them" that was liberally shouted when you beat us by 17 points that day a few years back.  You are right in one thing, it means fcuk all squared come championship, and I think Cross will know that better than most and not let a big win go to their heads.  I would reckon that only 3-4 of the Cross team from Sunday will pay championship against you anyway. 

As for the lad kicking it into the net after scoring the goal, jaysus give the lad a break, it's not everyday you score a goal against Cross, he must have been fierce proud of himself and overcome with emotion 

That must have been what it was BC1, funny cross scored 2 goals and non of the 2 lads who scored acted like that, but as you say since they don't often score points against cross, apart from the occassion you mention never mind goals he probably thought he was doctor who   

At this early stage in the season, how are things shaping out?  Does anyone look like making a serious concerted effort to break the Cross dominance?

The Keady delight has returned

Thought i offended you TheGAA last time you posted.  Perhaps you & corn02 are the same person?  if i was from Cross I wouldn't be denying it either lad.

X is from Cross 

Y is ALSO from Cross!!! (Y is actually from Ballinderry, and hadn't been playing when this happened, i.e. he was a sub)


I'm actually looking at my original story too and it makes no sense 

X got hit by Y, X then ran after Y, not Y running after X. For Y to run after X, Y would have been hit in the first instance by X 

Lads,

I was sitting not that far from the tunnel and had a clear view of what happened.  One of the B/derry subs came running past a few of the cross subs & he must have just picked one of them at random to clobber on the side of the head.  he then ran for his life, but got caught and got a right battering. From what I could see No.14 McCusker was doing his best to settle it, but No.11 & No.8 I think bother are Conways seemed hell bent on keeping it going for which no.11 got his fair share of thumps.

If you read all the comments coming from the B/derry camp last week, they seemed more intent of getting the point across that they wouldn't be intimated by Crossmaglen on the physical presence the bring to the field, but infairness b/derry are well able to bring as much of this to the game themselves, point being they took their eye of the main prize and tried to rough it up. I'm sure this tactic has worked before with others, but few teams have the experience this Cross side do and to try and rough them up because they are beating you at football clearly didn't work for B/derry either way.

I wouldn;t listen to a word this lad says. He is Cross' biggest fan, yet claims he doesn't support them. Has been caught out numerous times.

Corn, I only wrote what i seen.  If you don't want to believe it, then that's your choice, your showing you true blue & white jealousy now big guy. regarding me been cross biggest fan, I wouldn't go as far as that, but I will support my near neighbours something which you find alien behaviour

X is from Cross 

Y is ALSO from Cross!!! (Y is actually from Ballinderry, and hadn't been playing when this happened, i.e. he was a sub)


I'm actually looking at my original story too and it makes no sense 

X got hit by Y, X then ran after Y, not Y running after X. For Y to run after X, Y would have been hit in the first instance by X 

Lads,

I was sitting not that far from the tunnel and had a clear view of what happened.  One of the B/derry subs came running past a few of the cross subs & he must have just picked one of them at random to clobber on the side of the head.  he then ran for his life, but got caught and got a right battering. From what I could see No.14 McCusker was doing his best to settle it, but No.11 & No.8 I think bother are Conways seemed hell bent on keeping it going for which no.11 got his fair share of thumps.

If you read all the comments coming from the B/derry camp last week, they seemed more intent of getting the point across that they wouldn't be intimated by Crossmaglen on the physical presence the bring to the field, but infairness b/derry are well able to bring as much of this to the game themselves, point being they took their eye of the main prize and tried to rough it up. I'm sure this tactic has worked before with others, but few teams have the experience this Cross side do and to try and rough them up because they are beating you at football clearly didn't work for B/derry either way.

The referee is getting alot of stick for his performance. Alot of frees were awarded but 2 of the sending offs were dictated by his linesman as far as i could see

you a correct & it was the same linesman both times.