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[Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning]

Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.

Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.

Mayo effectively turned it into a challenge match. In saying that despite a good league when the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway to name three get up to speed Mayo won't be near the All Ireland in my opinion. Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning, maybe only matched by Derry.

Kerry, Dublin and Galway don't have to play a Division One team (who retained their Division one status) in a Championship match in 2 weeks time.

Good point and it's probably the reason Mayo are a bit ahead. However my point was it's all about the All Ireland for Mayo and I don't think they'll be near it when the other contenders catch up by June, early July.

Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.

Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.

Mayo effectively turned it into a challenge match. In saying that despite a good league, when the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway to name three get up to speed Mayo won't be near the All Ireland in my opinion. Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning, maybe only matched by Derry.

At least Liverpool have the 7up cup to celebrate this season.

Clifford got a free for a dive there.

Kerry know how to win frees

Can't see how kilmacud can object

Their argument is they did nothing wrong.

They advised the officials they wanted to make the substitution.
The officials allowed the sub to come on.
The officials allowed the game to re-start without allowing time for Mullin to go off (or for anyone to tell Mullin that he was going off). 
The officials were notified of their error and did not order a retake.

Just a refereeing mistake. One of those things.  Unfortunate for Glen, but the rule everyone quotes is for when a club puts an extra player on without the permission of the officials. You can't penalise Crokes for the officials making a mistake.

That's how they can, and are, objecting.

During the 6 seconds of play where Crokes had 16 on the pitch, the Glen full back had a great chance to deflect the ball into the net, but missed. Imagine an alternative scenario where it was 15 v 15, and the full back got the crucial touch, the ball ended up in the net, the officials missed that he was in the square before the ball was played to him and wrongly allowed the goal. Would there be grounds for a replay because the winning goal was illegal? Of course not. A ref's error. Unfortunate for Crokes, but one of those things.

Crokes can try to blame the officials, but it's a dangerous precedent being set if Crokes win the All Ireland on the back of it.

Not saying Crokes did this but imagine how teams going forward could cause chaos and confusion at a critical point in a game throwing on sub after sub whilst trying to defend a lead. If they end up with one or two extra defenders to see out the game/win ahh sure it's the officials fault, nothing to do with us, we won the game fairly.

[if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.]

That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now.

How is it a minor infraction? Because of the limited time left in the game? How long are clubs allowed break one of the fundamental rules of the game for before it no longer becomes a minor infraction, but something more serious? Five minutes? It may be harsh on Kilmacud, but they undeniably fucked up. Let's not forget it was 17, not 16. They had two extra players on the pitch and Mannion is looking at the play.

The fact it was the final seconds of the game and Mullin had no apparent direct impact is completely irrelevant. The game should be declared void and a replay ordered. As said however, Glen may well decide they don't want it. If they do, they are entirely within their rights and any subsequent victory for them would carry no stigma or asterisk except in the eyes of twats.

I have no issue with Glen looking for a replay, they are entitled to it.
Do you think an appeal on the basis of Mannion being on the pitch as a 16th player would be justified if Mullin wasn't there?

The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.

They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay

I don't think it would be any different the other way around but they absolutely just want this to go away.

Crokes are a fairly big club based in Dublin; the Dublin based media would have taken the story on and by Tuesday morning the pressure on the GAA would of led to a replay date in my opinion, without an offical club objection.

Did I not hear it was Dara Mullin, who was lining the goals, that stated on?
Like that surely has a bearing.

Mullin was full forward
He was on the line and the ball was kicked away from him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBmxXr5Oxo

If he hadn't been in that position on the line would the Glen player have thought that's the spot I want to hit to win the game?

They were 2 points down. The game hadn't been decided. KC couldn't say the game was won. It would be a pity if Wattys refused a replay.

There is undoubtedly a rush to take away the AI from Crokes by the likes of yourself as well seafoid looking at your comments.
Glen lost the final, was that primarily due to the extra player on the line at the end? I would say no but still think there should be a replay if Glen want it as there was absolutely an infraction. That is harsh on Kilmacud as magpie seanie has a valid point on the severity of the infraction as per the rulebook which I suppose I hadn't really reflected on either until now. Some people have the dislike of Crokes in their head over the Shane Walsh transfer, big Dublin club or whatever and are looking for blood, the likes of OTB saying yesterday that Kilmacud should be thrown out of the competition is lunacy stuff, think about if your own club was in the same position where a mistake was made in the chaos of that match situation.

It's a horrible situation for both clubs in truth, this isn't even the first instance of a cup being presented after a match and then a replay being ordered after an objection. So what are the GAA going to do to ensure as much as possible that something like this doesn't happen again? Don't hold your breath folks.

Nothing against Crokes and good luck to both clubs. It was a genuine mistake on Sunday, who made the mistake has nothing to do with Glen. Crokes won the All Ireland outside the rules in that they had an extra player defending a two point lead, I doubt they'll be happy with that themselves as it will always be mentioned when this All Ireland win is discussed.

As someone posted the cup shouldn't have been presented, it was obvious there and then something went wrong. Both clubs would of agreed with the retaking of the 45.

The GAA reaction has been shocking, I might be wrong but if it was the other way around a replay date would already be set.

They want this all to go away quiety but Glen didn't lose an All Ireland fairly and Crokes didn't win an All Ireland within the rules so lodge the appeal and play the replay

There more teams play senior championship in Leitrim and Fermanagh, (10) than in Kerry with more than twice the teams. Something is  wrong there. If Kerry club fball so good how come they don't win the All - Ireland club so often in a weak club province at Senior level where only the winners of Cork are serious rivals.

I agree the system should be looked at however to be fair Kerry's internal system produces players for inter county level. As for the club scene the senior club championship is very competitive at provincial level, but Kerry clubs have won the senior All Ireland and usually compete.

For all the talk of Kerry's system questions should be asked how Tyrone can produce so many junior and intermediate provincial, All Ireland champions or All Ireland finalists yet never have a club bar one in the past that genuinely competes at senior level.

That says to me there must be clubs in Tyrone that are graded lower than they would be in most other counties.

Starting to get worried!

Winner of France and England will win the World Cup in my opinion.

Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence.  Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match?  I thought he was brutal.

Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.

Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.

He more or less came out and said he shouldn't have got it. France defence looked ropey against the Aussies at times as well. Looking forward to seeing Spain against a half decent team.

Same, a chance for them to send Germany home on Sunday, not the best German side but I'm sure Spain and a few other teams would be glad to see them out of the competition early.

Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!

Argentina were on a good run and there'll always be Messi hype. However in reality South Amercian football isn't the strongest and it'll be shown at a world cup.

This WC will be decided by a mini Euro's at the end of the tournament, my prediction is four European semi finalists again, then it's a lottery from there.

wasnt an interview part of the reason Keane left United

Keane was a legend at United and still is; Ronaldo is likely to remain so when things settle. It was time for Keane to move on, his career and what United achieved in the years after his departure proved it was the right decision at the time, he couldn't remain there not being first choice.

It's clear Ronaldo is now at a similar stage and cannot play every minute of every game or be first choice. So yes as Keane an interview will probably end his career at United but it's Man Utd who will be stronger for his departure as I'd expect the whole squad dynamics to change.

This is frankly ridiculous. Hunt has raised taxes even further that Sunak said he would. No one voted for this. Not even the Tory party. Recession incoming. Truss doesn't have the support of the HOC and should call a GE.
These tax rises are going to hurt us in NI and for what? No investment, no government, the worst health service, shit schools, no roads west of the Bann. And people here were looking for more Taxes!!

Its a shit sandwich and I hope people enjoy eating it!

Better schools and roads require expenditure. What do you suggest they do instead of raising taxes? Print money?

I am against raising taxes. Especially when we won't see the benefit of those taxes! People's pay packets will fall in a cost of living crisis. Everyone is in for a very hard time. SME's will be crucified with the rise in corp tax. Prices will rise further.
Could Truss and Kwasi prepared the markets better? Absolutely. And yes maybe the cuts went to far, but we're now looking at taxes rising. This isn't what anyone voted for.

Tax should rise in the right places but the Tories are now going to hit the wrong departments/people. A Labour government would be welcome but the reality is the personal tax allowance will almost certainly fall, and the basic tax will likely rise above 20p under a Labour government, although they would raise taxes across the board including on the more wealthly in society. Whatever happens my guess is taxes are rising over the next few years.

As always the draw's will be interesting but I think the outcome will determine how some teams approach the provincial championships. They are not the be all and end all for teams that keep their Division 1 status or finish towards the top of Division 2. As a result if a Division 1 team are given four potentially challenging provincial games I think we'll see the squad used a lot more than previous years; it'll all be about preparation for the All Ireland group stages. A provincial title would be nice but I doubt it will be the priority.

It's a great draw for the FAI, I'd imagine tickets will be sold on a 'season ticket' basis and with Holland and France heading to Dublin they'll make a lot of money. Third spot is possible but Greece are not a bad side and with our Nations League performance you'd need a lot of luck to finish in one of the play off spots even if we finish third. Qualifying from any group was going to be a challenge so at least there is some great games for the teams development.