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#31
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
November 02, 2022, 09:30:32 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 02, 2022, 08:34:50 PM
Interesting to see what should come of it now. In terms of guidelines and rule books I really don't know what can be done outside of the obvious lengthy individual suspensions, which will likely be handed out.

Anything beyond this would be breaking new ground and more than likely result in appeals.
Worth noting the Moy had a player sent off for striking in the same incident, so that adds another layer to how this is dealt with.

Bottom line, the injuries incurred are unacceptable. I do struggle however to differentiate between one incident and another purely down to "damage caused" per se.

If a game this weekend has a similar one punch striking incident, are we to say this is fine as long as the player felled gets back on his feet and carries on? Obviously it is not fine, but this is normally the attitude with these things, as they happen regularly throughout a year's football. This one is especially tricky due to what happened the two lads, which again, should never happen at a football match.

All in all I wouldn't foresee much more than the usual lengthy individual punishments, what else can you do within the realms of sensible application of rules?

I believe the Moy player was sent off for being the third man in. He charged over when the manager was hit but don't believe he struck. Clonoe are meant to have videoed the game, I'm sure they'll make it available to clear all these things up.
#32
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
November 02, 2022, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 02, 2022, 05:19:43 PM
Did the Moy mentor in question attempt to put his hands up to be ready to strike someone?

If so, then that is the only reasonable excuse to strike at them as you can claim self-defence one your part. Fight or flight, hit before getting hit.

Otherwise there is no excuse. The better man either retorts with a measured verbal response or better yet walks away from provocation, no matter where on the pitch/sidelines it occurs.

His hands were down and he was not approaching the Clonoe player - I'd say a few words had been exchanged. There is no way the Clonoe player in question felt in any way physically intimidated.
#33
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
November 02, 2022, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: the prodigy on November 02, 2022, 02:55:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 02, 2022, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: birdwatcher on November 02, 2022, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on November 02, 2022, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 31, 2022, 02:45:05 PM
Heard today that Ryan Coleman had his jaw broke at Clonoe hands on Saturday also. It wasn't just the manager that needed hospital attention. Huge blow for the moy in their hope of survival.

County Board must take action to deter such thuggery.

Scandalous! How long are these guys going to get away with this stuff. always off the ball? County Board will do nothing. Involve the police i reckon

Why is Everyone afraid to mention the perpetrators?  Patrick Dorris hit the manager and Jerome McClure hit Coleman.

These guys deserve no anonymity, they should be responsible for their actions.  The county board need to be strong on this type of attack, long bans should be handed out

This won't finish until someone is killed by a "one punch" and it's only a matter of time. If you take the amount of incidents that happen one will eventually end with a fatality.

one of the big questions here is why was there a manager on the field getting involved with a player? Thats a dangerous place to put yourself in if your obviously not able to defend yourself. He might think twice now before he comes onto the pitch now during a heated game.

He was on to check on an injured player. Certainly wasn't acting in an aggressive manner, may have had words with the perpetrator though - don't think that makes you fair game for this kind of action?
#34
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 30, 2022, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: Throw It Up Ref on October 30, 2022, 07:49:19 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 30, 2022, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 30, 2022, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Tyrone2021 on October 30, 2022, 08:49:46 AM
Jesus must have been some blow moy manager got as moy Facebook state "needed hospital treatment". Also good luck to Carrickmore today let's bring home number 16!

I wouldn't be surprised to see this go further than the football field. The man was assaulted and subsequently hospitalised. It was an act of absolute thuggery. I will wait and see if Clonoe wish the manager a speedy recovery in their social media summary. If he did that on the street he would be looking at time.
With respect, it would be fairly seldom and would require an entirely specific set of circumstances for someone to go to jail for giving someone a bloody nose on the street. Probably happens every weekend, the length & breadth of the country with no prosecution. Certainly not something we need in our games but neither is the hyperbole.

Reports this evening are that the manager has a broken eye socket and the full forward a broken jaw. Not something that happens the length and breadth of the country. If true it just shows how dangerous these actions are.

The incidents didn't occur during a row either. Both men had their hands by their side when struck. Time was near up with Clonoe losing and no other major flashpoints during the game. This stuff shouldn't go unpunished because it happened on a pitch.
#35
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 30, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on October 30, 2022, 12:45:45 PM
Who done it?

I'd say people wouldn't need too many guesses to get it. A moy player also received a bad facial injury around the same time with game near over. Both unprovoked. These things have to be stamped out of the game.
#36
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 29, 2022, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: Throw It Up Ref on October 29, 2022, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: resterday14 on October 29, 2022, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 29, 2022, 05:40:07 PM
Lads interested is that Clonoe relegated?

Clonoe relegated. Hearing rumours moy had 16 players on the field for a few minutes and in that time frame Moy scored 2 points (they won by a point). Can anyone confirm? Surely Clonoe will take that to the county board with video evidence

Complete nonsense. Referee had to stop the game to order a Clonoe player that had been subbed off the field. Never any evidence moy had 16 on. Bad tempered end to the game. Moy manager and full forward both struck and badly injured. Clonoe had a 20m free to level it at the end and hit the post. Very close game that could have gone either way.

Yep few dirty uncalled for digs when Clonoe losing.
#37
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
August 28, 2022, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: Tyrone11234 on August 28, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2022, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 28, 2022, 07:10:27 PM
There'll be some wheeling and dealing looking for handy points this week.

See the Moy put 5 goals past Coalisland to send Clonoe into deeper relegation trouble...
A strange one.....

They got 3 v dromore last week and by all accounts could have had 6. Coalisland conceded 4 goals last week. Don't think they've a fully settled team yet and a few niggly injuries.
#38
Hard not to agree that if Armagh had spent more time on football and not MMA since Geezer took over they probably would have been better of for it.
#39
General discussion / Re: Holidays
May 17, 2022, 12:03:23 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 17, 2022, 11:50:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2022, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2022, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2022, 09:45:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2022, 09:34:02 AM
Same as above really I'd say bring a few disposable BBQ's as they have an area out the back for it.

Not sure if you have to book the swimming pool but it's first class and make sure you don't miss out.

Depends on the kids ages what to book really. There's a pedal boat job if they're young or a kayak if a bit older which are good craic. It's first class you should really enjoy it.

I'm not sure on the prices for the week but I heard its expensive, Would the camps in France be similar in price or more expensive? No offence to Longford and its surrounding areas which are lovely but weather wise and campsites I'd rather pay that bit extra.. The price for a family of 4 in July is nearly £3000 at Centrepark in Longford

That seems expensive of the activities and food is extra.
Booked a week all inclusive in Turkey, July peak season £4500. Huge big resort waterpark etc.

I punched in the dates and that's what came up, I'm only saying this because as a family if you asked my adult kids now if they look back at their best holidays it was the parcs in France/Spain/Italy even better than the clatter of Disney hols,  we did them for 2 weeks, Longford are looking nearly £3000 for a week!

Centreparcs in Europe were generally cheaper than UK , maybe had less activities available. But Uk+ Longford are exorbitant

They certainly are at peak time. If you can go off peak season there can be deals from 600-900 euro for 4 nights. Not bad for a 3 bedroom lodge. Wouldn't pay the summer or holiday prices though.
#40
GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland u17 & u20 2022
May 11, 2022, 08:04:26 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 10, 2022, 08:49:44 PM
Needed both teams to request Croke Park for it even to be considered. Tyrone did not make the request as I understand it. Ticket prices for fans would presumably be more expensive as part of the triple bill.

But it's rare for the U20/21 final to be played in Croker.

Given they've set the price at €25 for Saturday (it's €30 euro on Sunday with option of cheaper hill tickets) I don't think this was much of a factor. The only difficulty on Sunday was a relatively early start but it definitely made more sense to play it in Croke Park with Kildare already there and would have led to a healthy Kildare attendance.
#41
GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland u17 & u20 2022
May 10, 2022, 08:18:45 AM
You would have to say the people currently running the gaa are either incredibly clueless or want to ruin inter county gaa.

Change after change in recent years and none of them for the better. Messing about with minors by changing the age and then removing it as curtain raisers to the senior games. There is no logic in this and takes away the prestige of playing underage football for your county. Instead of being watched by thousands the games are now played out in front of a few hundred people maximum with little or no coverage.

Then you have the scheduling of this u20 final. A great opportunity to put the final in croke park and get a decent Kildare support in. Instead they seem to be trying to get the lowest attendance possible. Scheduling it for 5pm on a Saturday and then charging 25 euro in to a game on tv is a crazy call. Never mind picking Leitrim as the venue which is handy for no one.

At senior level next years format is the most ridiculous they could have came up with. Currently there are too many warm up games in the calendar. Currently you have pre season games which are a warm up for the league which itself is a warm up for the championship. None of the games mean anything in the grand scheme of the season. Instead of trying to link the league to the championship they have come up with this crazy format of keeping it and then playing a provincial championship which will become redundant as you will get to the same place in the championship anyway. Then after that you have group stages with only 1 team out of 4 getting elimated.
#42
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2022
February 21, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
Reading back I have to laugh people sitting at home watching on tv criticising the quality of the Tyrone game. The game was play on a heavy wet mucky pitch with a 45 mph cross wind. I was at the match and all things considered found it a decent enough watch. Although it was low scoring there was plenty of goal chances and both teams went at each other.

Also a lot of the same people that criticised the game were bringing up the small crowd. Again these were the same people sitting at home behind a tv watching it. I do agree though that a lot of Tyrone supporters who in the past would have mocked Derry or Kerry support bases are the same people who are now very picky about when attending games. Kerry now actually have a larger support than Tyrone for most games.

I was happy enough with the Tyrone performance under the circumstances. Thought Burns, Munroe, Meyler, Kennedy, Canavan and McCurry had good games. Paudie McNulty did ok for his first game back and Nathan Donnelly worked hard. They'll have a decision or two to make next week now with the 4 boys back and if Mattie was available. McShane will be pushing hard to get back in as well.
#43
GAA Discussion / Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
February 10, 2022, 03:26:51 PM
I watched utv sport on Friday and Sunday. The Tyrone Armagh match wasn't mentioned on Friday when previewing the weekends sporting highlights. Come Monday it managed to get on the sports coverage ahead of the six nations. All the focus was on the row with one small clip from the game at the end. That's the kind of bias that should be highlighted and challenged.

BBC are definitely better than them (maybe only because they have to be). Though it's a bit annoying that they can show ulster games on bbc2 but even though they've the rights for Armagh Monaghan next weekend its on the I Player. Also is there any word if they're covering this weeks MacRory Cup final?
#44
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
July 23, 2020, 10:02:56 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on July 23, 2020, 09:51:49 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 23, 2020, 09:47:48 PM
Being reported that NI Executive to allow spectators at outdoor venues before the this weekend
It is being allowed from Friday. They do not appear to have specified any limit.
Should clubs limit Numbers to 200 to align with the Republic?

Gaa have come up with own guidance. 250-400 Max depending on type of ground.
#45
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
July 22, 2020, 09:31:42 AM
To me letting 30 players into an indoor environment close together is much more serious offence than allowing people to socially distance around a large ground in the open air. It's obvious and all evidence would tell you the risk of spreading covid in close proximity indoors is much much higher than socially distanced outside. The spectators one doesn't make much sense when compared to other things being allowed whereas the dressing room one is a no brainer. And we have a situation were spectators are allowed in the south and health experts have deemed it ok.