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Thinking the same SCFC. And some of their own club men involved. We would have won today with Seale in one corner and Hanrahan or Kehoe in the other. There last year but not this. I suppose that's Creedon's fault too. We have paid the price for not being good enough and our full back line in particular were atrocious. In fairness to Kelly and Strong, neither are corner backs. Some of those lads today have no interest in the jersey. If they did, they would show a lot more than they did. No names mentioned, and in fairness to them, they are only there because others can't or won't commit. Hard to look at though......

Maybe we would but the 3 lads you named have decided not to play for Laois this year. So we have to go on without them.

Everyone wants to throw out Creedon the gdas, the co board.

Co board is democratically elected, so your clubs can all sort that.

Gdas protected by employment laws, they're here to stay

Creedon I'm not that impressed​ with , probably give him the year. Not exactly a lineup of managers with outstanding cvs ready to take over.

At the end of all the hand wringing we all need to go back to our own clubs and work from the ground up. The gdas can't make x club produce x no of county players.  Clubs need their own structures in order rather than whining at co board

That said this is a bleak day for Laois football. Division 4 is a disaster for us. Imo opinion we have players good enough to make us a div 2 team. That should be our short term aim, as we need to be at least there to have a shot at making an impact on championship

massive game tomorrow. Dropping to division 2 would have a huge negative impact imo. Hopefully can do it. Not too sure about the Cha at 6 experiment, he's not a natural defender from what I've seen of him, and is a massive loss from forward line

Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right

whats the general approach in other counties? Dont think many use adult refs,but could be wrong. Possibly use refs from whatever the youth ref program is called.

Also the biggest driver of whether "ref it yourself" will work will be the behaviour or coaches and parents on the sideline

This is the story.

Last year we had an awful league campaign followed by a very poor championship campaign.

Lillis left and we were left in a very poor state, something that has been inevitable for years.

What did we need at that point?

A manager and background team that have experience with developing underage structures & have a proven pedigree with being successful in this area.

How long did it take for Tipp to get from poor side to good side and looking like they'll be a tier 1 side within a few years? It took a LOT of time. Years.

So, surprisingly enough we managed to get a manager and background team with proven pedigree with Tipperary.

Honestly, I would keep him even if we got relegated to div 4 & had a poor championship. It all needs time - him, his background team and other people involved with developing laois gaa underage need and deserve time.

Why? Because we need to give this years, we need to develop underage especially minor / u21 throughout the county. WHY OH WHY would you throw out a man with PROVEN pedigree in this area. Tipp are going from strength to strength and like it or not, it's a fact he had a significant influence on Tipp's turnaround.

To throw him out would be lunacy, in my opinion, ESPECIALLY given the clear as day context of players not available / injured / playing out of position / you name it.

Careful what you wish for. At least with this setup we're aiming to go in the right direction and have a holistic plan for minor / u21 / senior. It certainly beats the clueless mentality that we've witnessed for years now.

You can throw Roe in there or higgins or clancy but let's face it. That's more of the same like dempsey or lillis and not focussing on underage. We need a sea change in the county & that's what's being attempted. I can't for the life of me understand the short-sightedness of town1980 and B-abu. Granted it's only a very small portion of voices on here but I have to wonder if you're thinking about the long-term and I also have to wonder if you're seeing what's in front of your eyes : players missing from all over the park. Not up to standard ability from large numbers of our players. Players playing out of position etc. You don't seem to even acknowledge that. I'm not saying Creedon & his team are Jesus and his apostles - We're saying they have proven experience in getting a poor team across u-21 and senior into a better one over the course of years. We're a poor team weather you like it or not & we're trying to get better holistically but it needs time.

Ok, before I start this is not meant to be an anti Peter Creedon rant. I was happy enough with the appointment, he has a decent record and seems to speak a lot of sense on the game. Im not that impressed by what Ive seen so far, but we have had a lot of injuries and he deserves time to make his mark with the team. The players seem very positive about the setup, thats a huge plus imo.

Tony, you have stated a few times that Creedon has proven pedigree in developing underage. Have you got good evidence for this statement?
Below are some fact as far as I can ascertain (if there are mistakes apologies, Im not a specialist on Tipp football)

Creedon managed Tipp minors 2003-2006
He managed Tipp U21s 2006-2008.
They won no munster titles in this time.They didnt win a minor till 2011 and u21 in 2010

He managed Tipp Seniors 2012-2015. He has a decent record, generally beating teams you would expect him to beat (an underrated trait in managers), losing to better teams. Liam Kearns had better results last year, with what was a weaker panel on paper

Now Im sure he has had some positive effect on Tipp football, there are good signs such as all the teams keeping him 3+ years. But as someone posted earlier in thread its unlikely he single handedly lifted Tipp football on his own. I'm pretty sure John Evans likes to take some credit (rightly or wrongly), David Power won an all Ireland to name two I've heard of. Again I dont know all the facts he may have been hugely influential in their underage structures and been the main driver of a ll this

Hes a manager with a decent record, but I think its been inflated a bit by some.

Also wheres the evidence of this "holistic" plan for Laois football? Creedon was appointed as manager of senior and u21 teams (although the 2nd title mysteriously moved to Gary Kavanagh) with some vague line about input to minor team. Id be surprised if he has had any input into structures, I dont see much evidence of the county board driving a plan either.  If we want a holistic plan it needs to include clubs,school and county from U6 up. A director of football (preferably well paid) needs to be appointed to oversee it, imo it would be both undesireable and impractical for this to be the County senior manager.

Best of luck to the lads Sunday. I think we'll win but will be very tough in Tullamore, always hard get over line when lacking confidence after losing a few games. Dropping to division 4 would be a disaster, we would need a very impressive championship to make up for it.

And we're paying an outside manager for this??

Still better value for money than Lillis

On what basis? I wouldn't rule out Creedon being a success yet, but at the moment we are at least as bad as last year

I thought Donie Kingston and Kelly were good, not much to pick out other than that. Sideline slow to make changes, four if not five of our forwards struggled badly. Some of our younger players do not look ready. Buggie and O'Reilly I think have great potential but not performing at the moment. I find the selection of lutrell at midfield very strange, JOL actually played as a corner forward for a portion of second half.

Defensively we made silly errors, a couple of scores came from lads being drawn to ball rather than tracking own man

Surely Sean Moore worth giving a chance up front?

We have players to come back, but still these performances are worrying. Not showing enough quality up front to break down defences

Well done to the lads, wasn't there so no idea if performance was good or if we were lucky etc. Must have at least shown some bottle to come back and win. Massive result, especially given players we were missing, which puts us right back in the hunt for promotion.

Went over with a Galway friend of mine today to Tullamore

Offaly are woeful

Whoever loses the Laois v Oy game is going down

my understanding is bottom team in each division gets relegated

http://www.gaa.ie/news/allianz-leagues-condensed-2017

According to PDF at bottom of that page you linked there is still playoff between 5th and 6th in 1B

Think that result is from a few years ago. Carlow CBS won stg Leinster b on fri

With all the talk of how we can improve the game i.e. introducing the Mark, it got me thinking of what I would like to see change

1) Awarding of 2 points for a point scored outside 45m line. This would encourage the actual kicking of a point and would counter the blanket defence.
2) For underage up to u14 or maybe u16 I would like to see the player fouled take the free similar to the basketball concept.

Anyone else have any ideas or they happy with the current game?

1. Woud encourage aimless kicking as most players incapable of doing this withany consistency (Even with more emphasis on it in training etc)

2. Good idea for younger players. Not sure if u14/u16 too far to bring it up

A lack of numbers hurling is a big problem for us

Portlaoise - Hurling struggling
Portarlington - virtually no hurling
Graiguecullen - virtually no hurling
Mountmellick - hurling weak

Thats 4 of the biggest urban areas in a small dual county to begin with. I don't mean any disrespect to tthe clubs mentioned (I hope they all prove me wrong), but itsalways going to be tough to compete with our hurling playing population

[Senior Football Championship]

Ballyfin Gaels - Senior Football Championship –Ballyfin  with players from Slieve Bloom  and Camross



??Camross lads hurling with Ballyfin??

No

[Ballinakil]

Crettyard Gaels – Senior Football Championship – Crettyard with players from Spink

That should be Crettyard with Spink & Ballinakill players

Ballinakill a hurling only club. I wold think that description of Crettyard Gaels is accurate

Portlaoise CBS compete in senior, junior and, juvenile hurling. They are in C grade and usually compete in North Leinster region. Due to play in nth Leinster senior final in next couple of weeks, reached nth Leinster juvenile final last year.

Hilarious. 

Given out to if they don't spend.

Given out to for spending.

If the money is there or can be raised to fund this setup and all the other teams and initiatives the county board needs to run, then that's great. I think that's questionable though, given two moderately successful managers have stepped down in last week, reportedly because they were denied things they felt they needed by the county board.

Creedon seems a decent manager, and I think he's probably a good appointment given what was likely available to us. I don't see anything that exceptional in his record with Tipp though. Toomey seems well regarded and has been successful, I know nothing about McGeehin.

Great appointment, this guy has been through it all and has some good success on his CV. It can be easy enough to take over a good team and succeed but to do what he did with Tipperary was outstanding.
Most of the foundation work for the present Tipp team was laid by him and one of his selectors and we all know how good Tipp turned out even after losing some of their more experienced players. Good work must have been done a few years ago to have guys at a level to step in to the team when they needed them.
I'm delighted he will have input into teams in the lower grades as they are the future and he needs to know what's coming up.
It's a much better outcome than I was expecting and best of luck to all concerned..

What is all this great success on his CV? I don't see it, also Tipp did better this year after changing manager and losing a few of their better players. He may well be a good manager but his record is not much better than others linked with job unless I'm missing something

It must be a very expensive ticket given he is bringing 3 of his own guys in and taking u21s. Any Laois selector likely to have token input, making it unlikely our better coaches/managers will want to be involved. Not much left for Laois coaches, and all other county football and hurling squads likely to be underfunded because of cost of this setup.