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think sean mcguiness was in charge at that time. Think it was 1987 in dundalk of all places.  could be wrong though!!

its not, but as this has stemmed from the debate around re-structuring of the leagues, kevo would like the team to play at the higher level, where as i disagree. previous experience tell me that we should build towards it by winning d2. in 2006 we won d2; we werent good enough for d1 but went up and took some terrible beatings. the team we have now will develop into a better team than 06; but at the minute  most of them arent ready, physically or mentally. just my honest opinion. promotion by natural process will dictate when we are ready, not another comitte room manouvre

[There are not any! Its all still in the mix obviously until after conventions so nobody has "concrete facts"]

btdtgtt you think there is some big conspiry going on here.

Have you heard any concrete facts on what is going to happen to the leagues?
There are not any! Its all still in the mix obviously until after conventions so nobody has "concrete facts"
Have you seen any of the proposals set out by the focus group or any counter proposals set out by any clubs?
Yes
The proper facts will be set out at a county meeting when the clubs have an opportunity to vote on what is the best for the leagues.

As gizzly said it would be better to look at the underage leagues and structures  and make them more competitive as this is where the future of Antrim hurling is

I agree.
Underage structures also need looked to - SA teams playing in NA leagues is just stupid - these should be all county leagues as Gladiator says. (altho Gladiator you did beat Rossa this year so your post was a bit negative there on you prospects)
I understand you money/time problem Skull but come on, lets get over this! How much do we want progress if we keep putting obstacles in the way.
Maybe Dunsilly might help - I would much rather it was bunged with kids every saturday and sunday than preserved for county panels.

i didnt mean to be negative, just being realistic. there would only be 2 possibly 3 games we would be competitive in. again  this wont help us to develop. we had many close games in d2 this year  won some, lost some. but the points were up for grabs til the last few minutes. last minute frees to win games, defending a lead, coming back to win games from the dead. i think these type of scenarios will help our lads develop as hurlers rather than get pasted by cushendall by 25 points etc.

You beat us twice last year and I'd be confident of our team giving Cushendall a competitive game.

i was just using the dall as an example to illustrate my point. galls may be able to raise their game to push cushendall in a championship game once a year or a league game that they arent bothered about. our championship form over the last 15 years tells me that we would struggle to raise it to compete on a regula basis as we have regularly fallen to teams from lower divisions on many occassions, creggan, st teresas etc. at this time we arent battle hardened enough to expect to compete at this level. hopefully we will  over the next 5 years, but i feel that at theminute it would do more harm than good to oyr young team

[There are not any! Its all still in the mix obviously until after conventions so nobody has "concrete facts"]

btdtgtt you think there is some big conspiry going on here.

Have you heard any concrete facts on what is going to happen to the leagues?
There are not any! Its all still in the mix obviously until after conventions so nobody has "concrete facts"
Have you seen any of the proposals set out by the focus group or any counter proposals set out by any clubs?
Yes
The proper facts will be set out at a county meeting when the clubs have an opportunity to vote on what is the best for the leagues.

As gizzly said it would be better to look at the underage leagues and structures  and make them more competitive as this is where the future of Antrim hurling is

I agree.
Underage structures also need looked to - SA teams playing in NA leagues is just stupid - these should be all county leagues as Gladiator says. (altho Gladiator you did beat Rossa this year so your post was a bit negative there on you prospects)
I understand you money/time problem Skull but come on, lets get over this! How much do we want progress if we keep putting obstacles in the way.
Maybe Dunsilly might help - I would much rather it was bunged with kids every saturday and sunday than preserved for county panels.

i didnt mean to be negative, just being realistic. there would only be 2 possibly 3 games we would be competitive in. again  this wont help us to develop. we had many close games in d2 this year  won some, lost some. but the points were up for grabs til the last few minutes. last minute frees to win games, defending a lead, coming back to win games from the dead. i think these type of scenarios will help our lads develop as hurlers rather than get pasted by cushendall by 25 points etc.

i was aware that only 1 team was due to go up, but they were the 2 best teams. i think putting 4 up would be a waste of time for the teams at the top and middle sections of the league. realistically rossa and oisins would only have to win 2 games to maintain status. given that would be against us and the other lamb to he slaughter, it doesnt do muchfor anybody and give little incentive to most teams in the league to go at it hard and as a result increase the competitiveness and standard in the league. creating a competitive league structure is fundamental to developing our game at all levels. for me, underage all county leagues are a must. south antrim board have proved over the last 20 years the best way NOT to run games and leagues.its a complete joke as to some of the stunts that have been pulled for the benefit of some clubs and not for the benefit of gaa in he SA area. wgat about playing u12& 14 teams playing on the same day at the same venue to save travel expenses for an all county league eg sarsfieldsv dunloy at both groups back to back on a saturday afternoon. think everybody would benefit

The desire for change has to come from the clubs. sadly,  i think many of them are happy with the status quo of 2-3 competitive games a year in the championship and thats it.  that isnt going to develop many players to compete at decent inter-county level.

as a paddies man, i dont think we are ready for divi 1 and it would do us more harm than good to go up. promotions and relegations should be decided on the pitch and not in the murky committee rooms in casement. rossa and oisins were the 2 best teams and deserve to go up. teams like us lamhs, galls etc dont deserve to  because we didnt earn it on the field. the constant messing with league structures is part of the problem we could all name a few clubs which could pull a few moves in the county convention to save their skins if they end up in the bottom 2 places. it negates any point in working harder to save your own skin or to accept that maybe you just arent good enough for the division and accept whats coming and work hard to get back