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#31
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster U-21 Championship 2012
March 14, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
i know there are a few guys who are not even on the squad for tonites match who are very disappointed at being left off the team never mind the subs bench, but this can only mean that the players picked are as good if not better so Tyrone should have a good chance of progressing to the next round.
#32
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
March 08, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
Your secretary has just got them they will be on website soon. Don't think there is a link to them.  Which team are you after Tommo2
#33
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
March 08, 2012, 09:51:43 AM
Fixtures are out now, although for the league only.
#34
Real Talk,
what you have to realise is that insurance companies tend to deal with 'the worse case scenario', while we all live in the real world, and as you say you have to take it on the chin when it all goes wrong. As the French say 'that's life' and all any of us can do is to try and be prepared.
Players are trained, coached and educated better than ever before to deal with the strains of modern football. Granted inter county players are more like professional sportsmen, but they get and give a lot from the sport.
As we all get older we feel aches and pains and I know personally I blame a few bad tackles to cause my ankle to ache in the cold weather,as I didn't have the knowledge to look about physio at the time.
Most clubs and counties have masseuses/ physios etc available to players. I know our local club has a guy who straps the players, (not in a kinky way) :P so players are given lots of assistance in avoiding injury.
In any past-time that involves movement there is the potential of wear and tear
#35
A quick question to brokencrossbar1 I was wondering what your youth setup is like within the club. Is the club as successful at minor and u 16 level and what grade do they play at?
#36
The problem with insurance is the insurance companies and not the GAA per se Just go and try to get a relevant insurance policy that will pay medical costs, loss of earnings, hospitalisation, rehab, physio etc etc and you can be sure that they will laugh at you. If an inter county player was filling out the form and it asks how many hours do you train or part take in this activity, they probably put as many hours in as some professional soccer players.
If they did quote, the premium would be expensive. The reason is that the underwriters of such policies do not understand gaelic football, or perhaps they understand it too well. Could you imagine the claims week on week from every club player looking a bit of physio, or feigning a back injury to help claim loss of earnings etc...

There are limitations within the policy to keep costs affordable. There is also the north south difference in regards to health insurance, as we have the NHS and don't associate this with having to pay a premium. While in the south you pay an insurance premium, vhi etc although recent reports suggest 19000 people per week are not paying/renewing as it due to economic reasons.

My experience with GAA insurance is to make sure you are referred by your doctor to a specialist before paying for anything and remember that they will only fund certain things, always check and not all physio is covered as there have been recent changes to the cover (last 2yrs)

#37
GAA Discussion / Re: More Thuggery on the GAA field
February 09, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
This is great fun, glad I made someones day regarding hearing a story. Spectators come home from matches with stories to tell and if there has been a 'handbag' incident then there are always a few more stories about. I was told of the O Sullivan incident with the young Derrytresk player a few days after the game and initially I did not believe it. The picture (as long as it is genuine) would seem to add creditability to the story I heard.
That is not the main point in all of this. The GAA needs to sort disciplinary problems EVERYWHERE, and a clear message put out to teams. However, banning Derrytresk for 5 yrs sends out mixed messages, the appeal has also reduced the fine and one of the players has got off and there is more than likely another appeal to come.
So in future will all clubs receive the same 5 yr ban for an offence similar to that which occurred during 'handbaggate' or is down to the fact that it was an A-I semi. Then you make an appeal and get your fine reduced and get your star forward back for the game.What messages are 'the powers that aren't' sending out. Better direction and leadership is required so that players, managers, clubs and counties can sort out any further disciplinary problems quickly and efficiently.
As a Tyrone person I wish Derrytresk all the best in the final.
#38
GAA Discussion / Re: More Thuggery on the GAA field
February 09, 2012, 09:48:56 AM
I had heard this story, young Derrytresk player who admired O Sullivan went up to shake his hand and speak to him and was floored. I didnt believe it as I had heard O Sullivan was being jossled coming off the pitch and someone on the Derrytresk side was jeering at him and he pushed that player and was then surrounded and hit with a handbag and then ran to the tunnell. It is now clear why he was surrounded.
I owe the brother an apology as that picture makes it obvious that O Sullivan struck a 17 yr player who actually admired  O  Sullivan. I wonder what he thinks of him now. I can understand that as O Sullivan had received special treatment throughout the game that he would not have been in the best form, but the game was over and he was not surrounded by women weilding handbags at the time.
But going back to the punishments and the melee that occurred just before half time can not be condoned and needs punished, but 5 yrs suspension. Forget the fact that Derrytresk may never make it to an all ireland semi again, has the GAA SET A PRECEDENT that if a similar offence happens in any club championship then a 5yr suspension will follow, or are all ireland club finals to be treated differently to a first round junior match in any county. I think the GAA need to come and state what their stance is on it. 
#39
GAA Discussion / Re: More Thuggery on the GAA field
February 08, 2012, 12:47:22 PM
Agreed that Derrytresk are now in the Intermediate division and would not be favourite to win this championship.The fact that Derrytresk have been banned for 5 years opens a can of worms. If there is a similar incident in a club championship will the team involved get 5 years ban from that competition. Or will different rules be applied. This is where the powers that be need to make a clear and precise statement.
Imagine the scene your club get to the semi final of their relevant championship at county level, and are playing their nearest rivals and there is a big of 'handbags' and subs enter the field of play and a melee occurs, will you accept that your club will now be put out of your county championship for the next 5 yrs.
#40
GAA Discussion / Re: More Thuggery on the GAA field
February 08, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
The club prevented from playing in the all ireland club championship for the next 5 yrs. On top of everything else is this not a bit excessive?
I agree that the proper sanctions are put in place and Derrytresk are being made an example of but this seems a bit much. The GAA would need to make sure that they remain consistent in this as there have been plenty of cases throughout the country that have been worse and were not dealt with properly. And that is probably the problem. Someone blamed the Tyrone board as they did not deal with the Carrickmore/ Dromore properly, and they might be partly right, as the GAA as a whole have not dealt with mass brawls properly over the years.
Clubs need to take reponsibility as do players as they have to bemore disciplined than ever through their training, diet lifestyle etc so they should take this on to the pitch.
The game has moved on from 15yrs ago even at club level, youth level and at all grades.No one wants to see the passion taken out of the game but luckily the no 9 for Dromid was a big guy and survived the dirty dig from a sub entering the field of play, not everyone is going to be so lucky.
#41
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
February 08, 2012, 11:38:49 AM
Who is dealing with suspensions and appeals? I assume it is not the Tyrone board or Ulster council has this gone to Croke Park?
#42
GAA Discussion / Re: More Thuggery on the GAA field
February 06, 2012, 01:20:56 PM
The Derrytresk supporter who hit Kerry and Dromid Pearses star Declan O'Sullivan with a handbag during last month's controversial All-Ireland club JFC semi-final has been banned from attending games for a year.

Who is she and how will she identified by stewards? How effective is this ban? I bet she is there with a bigger handbag at the final.
#43
GAA Discussion / Re: More Thuggery on the GAA field
February 02, 2012, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: Sandino on February 02, 2012, 12:01:15 PM
If Dromid and Derrytresk are the turning point I'm sure they would accept the consequences of their actions and move on. However, only time will tell if Derrytresk players are to be made scapegoats, to appease a rampant media driven by some elements in the GAA its self or if this is justice being done. The next outbreak of violence will tell the tail.

Not so sure, but agree totally with your original post. Will we have a problem with Crokes and Cross?
#44
GAA Discussion / Re: More Thuggery on the GAA field
February 02, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
Based on the clip that most people have seen, in super slow motion as well, it is easy to identify who and what started the melee. Also any of the subs (if not all of them) who entered the field of play and those players who were involved. Now if you were in possession of the refs report and all relevant video evidence you can apply the relevant sanctions that are set down in the rules.
This is where the problem then starts, there are guidelines that the CCCC use, but no hard and fast rules.People then start to compare to other incidents, solicitors appeal and various spin is put on the whole incident. This is not a Tyrone v Kerry or a North V South thing and should not be allowed to escalate into this. This is a problem that the GAA has and there needs to be a simple set of sanctions in place that cannot be appealed against.
So if we had a guaranteed cast iron ruling that if any subs enter a pitch unauthorised to get involved in a scuffle, then a fine/ban/suspension is forthcoming. Everyone then knows exactly what to expect, clubs take it on the chin and get on with it.
If someone is sited in the refs report then unless they have proof (video) of their innocence or are prepared to name the guilty party (as in case of mistaken identity) then no appeal, again get on with it.Clubs need to buy into the notion of supporting the decisions of the CCCC, in the same way players need to support and respect referees. Sorry just forgot I had my rose tinted specs on
#45
Would disagree with scrapping any competitions. If we are talking about county level players surely a restriction on the number of games played per month would be an easier method to regulate. If someone is involved in college u21 and senior football then priorities need to be made, who and when they train with etc. If playing at a high level then a maximum of 3 inter county games, or 2 inter county games and 2 college games per calendar month might be an example. Obviously training needs regulated but must players know how to regulate and control their own training.