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Definitely discussing the racist abuse of the o'hailpin brothers and personal abuse of donal og on rebel gaa. several posters from both counties with first hand accounts and tipp posters apogising for that element of their support.

Disappointin result and performance on sunday in my view. it's annoying to read posters happy with ending up close enough to tyrone. the reality is tyrone took the foot off the pedal when they went 8 up - harte talked at length about being perturbed about it after the game.

the most diappointing aspect was, after winning the midfield battle, we squandered the lions share of possession that that gave us. distribution was terrible from the middle sector into the forward line. the biggst culprits were mor, aaron and moriarty. so much ball kicked and fisted away under no pressure. McKeever was probably the man needed to use the ball better but he was back in corner back for most of the first half.

i have no complaints about gormley's handling of clarke. you do what you can get way with and a good defender knows the referee's boundaries. stevie was very poor. he's unable to take a man on - never was his game anyway - and he's too far from goal when he collects possession. i don't see the logic in playing him in the half forward line. for me, duffy and mallon were poor too. young o'rourke started brightly but thereafter spent the game hiding in behind, leaving clarke to make all the runs out in front for the ball.

Lavery pleasantly surprised me and thank god for it. himself, andy m, McKeever, Shannon and donaghy all excelled but the rest were average at best in my view. unfortunately the smokescreen of a decent showing will take the heat off McDonnell a bit but the reality is that armagh were never set up to beat tyrone and that reflects badly on the manager. on top of that, the glaring flaws in how the team were playing weren't addressed til the game was all but lost.

In what way?

Well I assume his soldiers in Afghanistan aren't doing much to learn the language and integrate themselves into Afgan society.

Are yo under the impession that australian soldiers are attempting to emigrate to Afghanistan?

In what way?

The worrying thing is that you actually think he is consulting anyone, you dingbat

Rings a bit hollow considering Rudd is happy to send his presumably Christian Australian soldiers to Afghanistan to fight against the Muslims.

Why does that weaken his immigration policy?

AMEN to that

My Team, posted on another forum...

McEvoy - better all round than hearty but lacks experience. hearty has cost armagh too many times at this stage
Mallon
Donaghy - good player out of form but hopefully he'llcome good
Shannon - consistent
Aaron - lose too much from his game at h forward
AOR - no brainer for me
McKeever - completes the strongest line on the team
Toner - only midfield option with a decent work ethic
O'Neill / Lavery - neither are really ready
McKenna - not able for the physical battle of midfield yet but his strong running may be usefu;
Mor - Now one of armagh's best players
Mallon - more in hope than expectaion
McDonnell
Clarke
Forker - best of an as yet unfulfilled bunch of pretenders

More embarrassing than the stike. As annoying as reading him is, at least the reiller chap has been consistent

At least there won't be the frustrating 1 min lecture holding up play before the dreaded black book being issued. i hope.

Armagh v Dublin this sunday in the opening of Pearse og Park in the ecclesiastical capital.

Armagh expected to play a strong team

Surely its ok to ask what a man's position is within the association when he has been put in charge of muscling these rule changes through and seemingly the man in charge of the PR drive of same?

No supported points? what about

cork and dublin also yes. other probable yes votes include all living presidents and central council members.

Noone has made a single coherent arguent for making these rule changes

The only thing that these experimental things have introduced is a hugely increased likelihood that you'll be sent off for genuinely attempting to make a tackle.

The only people i see talking in positive terms about this experiment are these bigwigs in headquarters (o'neill, duffy, brennan, etc.) and county board officials.

Since the middle of the league, county managers have consistently argued against them. the county players, who are the people actually trying to chang their games to suit, voted 82% to bin the. coloqueal (sp) evidence suggests that a vast majoriy of gaels are opposed.

Most Clubs weren't asked by their county boards. county executives made their own decesions without consulting with any membership.

All accurate contributions to this thread.

that leaves out my opinions - which i'm entitled to. I have my own reasons for regarding daly in the manner i do.
by all means lay out liam o'neill's credentials to be the man to make decisions on the future of our games

if you wish to argue this case then argue it. don't try and reason by discrediting those who disagree with you.

Yip - they're just 2/3 world class players short apparently...

Most Clubs weren't asked by their county boards. county executives made their own decesions without consulting with any membership.

duffy, daly and o'neill called county chairmen to a meeting in croke park 3 weeks ago to explain to them that they had to ignore the canvassing of managers and players and get these rules through. these change were essential to take the association forward apparently and chairmen needed to show "real leadership" and mandate accordingly.

i am not denigrading everything daly has done for the association but in recent years he is fixating on making money. fair enough but he can't expect that to be everyone's approach.

O'neill is a clown. Again, what is his current position within the association?

I think its ridiculous if the US President who is the most powerful man in the world- ie he decides the world's fate. yet he is elected by a simple majority ie 51%. This two thirds majority thing is an anachronism at this stage.

Well, actually, he isn't. Without getting into specifics (feel free to google away), it's the electoral college system that elects the President.

After several failed attempts to railroad new rules into the games, is there any chance of Liam O'Neill, Pat Daly et al accepting this result? I doubt it

Can anyone tell me Liam O'Neill's position within the association? I've never thought of him as anything other than out of touch.

Pat Daly is interested only in revenue increasing endevours, which makes me wonder exactly what his big interest in this has been