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Circumstantial evidence convicted Rachel O'Reilly's husband. His mobile phone was used to contradict his alibi.

I don't know whether circumstantial evidence can be used as a basis for a case in Portugal but either way they would not want to be proved as having lied about that night.

That's the big one, Muppet. There is a strong possibility, in order to dampen the outrage at their perceived neglect, that they underplayed times/routine etc out of sheer pride and arrogance when first questioned. A lot of us do that. When the actual truth is discovered, be it a matter of 30 -40 mins, the police will start the alarm bells.

A sweeping statement, but two things about doctors, esp English doctors (having had experience - as you have I think - from living over there). Firstly, they can be incredibly arrogant. Secondly, they can be extremely cold in nature and demeanour (something that seems to be a side effect from their career). Both of these characteristics do not endear them to the police and public.

You would think the loss of a child would bring emotion from even the coldest of hearts??

Yes. However, do you know what anguish and emotion they're experiencing behind the scenes? Are you basing this on arranged media Q&A?

There is a strong possibility, in order to dampen the outrage at their perceived neglect, that they underplayed times/routine etc out of sheer pride and arrogance when first questioned.

On the one hand you give out to POG for presenting 'reported' stories, theories, possibilities, etc and then you come out with the above ......   

Where did I say this was reported? This is a possibility, nothing more, nothing less. However, I'd never claim it was said, written or reported. Explain where I said this was something reported or something I believe in?

Circumstantial evidence convicted Rachel O'Reilly's husband. His mobile phone was used to contradict his alibi.

I don't know whether circumstantial evidence can be used as a basis for a case in Portugal but either way they would not want to be proved as having lied about that night.

That's the big one, Muppet. There is a strong possibility, in order to dampen the outrage at their perceived neglect, that they underplayed times/routine etc out of sheer pride and arrogance when first questioned. A lot of us do that. When the actual truth is discovered, be it a matter of 30 -40 mins, the police will start the alarm bells.

A sweeping statement, but two things about doctors, esp English doctors (having had experience - as you have I think - from living over there). Firstly, they can be incredibly arrogant. Secondly, they can be extremely cold in nature and demeanour (something that seems to be a side effect from their career). Both of these characteristics do not endear them to the police and public.

I do suspect them but I will still be shocked if it turns out to be them.

Jaysus - it's gets worse.

And when you're finished, take the next sentence:

The mother reportedly went to check on the children at 10pm and realising Maddie had gone returned to the restaurant LEAVING THE TWINS ALONE AGAIN! Saying "they've taken her they've taken her".

Find this? POG says she said this, 'reportedly'!

This just sums up how the British way of swallowing what the media pass off as stories has spread to this island.

You only have to think about another of POG's statements to see how he deals in falsities - The twin boys slept through everything
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No, actually I don't. I deal with what I hear said. POG stated:

The were inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the parent's stories about when they checked on the children and stories told about how they could see the apartment from where they ate when any map or picture shows different.  They also lied about the amount of drink they had.

OK, let's start here. Where can you, or anyone, find this? (i.e. where you saw the McCann say this?)

A cursory glance on this thread will see consistent references to their social class or status. This appears to be raised by those who are most conviced of their guilt. There are absolutely no facts in the public domain to indicate their guilt, and given their travel today with the authorities' blessing, I would suggest there is none within the investigation itself.

The references to their class are made by those angry at the attention they are getting when we all know if it was a single mother from housing estate she would be slaughtered by the media.  Can you argue different?

Now why do people here think they are guilty, without these facts?

Well rufus from day one the case stunk.
The were inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the parent's stories about when they checked on the children and stories told about how they could see the apartment from where they ate when any map or picture shows different.  They also lied about the amount of drink they had.  Of course this may be down to guilt for leaving their children but this is something they've barely expressed and continue to insist they're good parents!
The mother reportedly went to check on the children at 10pm and realising Maddie had gone returned to the restaurant LEAVING THE TWINS ALONE AGAIN! Saying "they've taken her they've taken her".  They were very keen to insist that the child had been abducted and refused to entertain the notion that she had wandered off.  Wtf?  Would she not entertain the notion that maddie way have wandered off and look for her before running back to the restaurant.  Can anyone tell me when police or anyone else was first contacted? 
They claimed and their family claimed that the shutters had been forced open when staff at the resort say they hadn't.  The police found that the shutter had not been forced form the outside but opened from the inside! Are we expected to believe the intruder opened the shutters from the inside?  No evidence of an intruder was found. 
The twin boys slept through everything, their mothers reaction and the 20 or so people the mccanns took back to the apartment – they were carried out, asleep, by police when they arrived. Amazing!
It was one of their own friends who reported a man taking a child from the apartment, days or even weeks? After the disappearance.  She must have forgot!  That's understandable as they've just recently remembered a friend went to check on the children at half 9. 
Then we've the parent's reaction to the whole thing.  Now apparently they have been told to show no emotion, I don't know why it would matter and, although I'm not a father, I know if it was a niece or nephew missing and some pervert doing God knows what I would not be fit to hold myself together whether police told me to or not. As a father I'm sure you'd be the same.  The McCanns on the other hand deserve Oscars!  But it's not just the lack of emotion, it's the touring around the world, the raising money, have you read Gerry McCann's blog, hardly a mention of Maddie!

None of us have all the evidence but people can and will make judgements. 

If ever there was an example of the power of the media to brainwash people, this is it. POG has regurgitated random stories reproduced in the Sun/Mirror/Star by journalists with little or no facts. 'Dish Monkeys' they call this type of analyst - someone who deals in the 'it was reported' information, without having the barest fact.

Absolute bullshit, without any weight whatsoever.

I can only hope Namibia give Argentina a similar game.

Stringer's level of caution is annoying the hell out of me. You'd think we were playing the All-Blacks.

After Saturday's games:

Hoof Hearted   84
The Hard Stations   78
MAIGHEO   75
Cill Dara RFC   72
All Cacks   72
Doylers Destroyers   69
O'Neill   63
The Intimidators    62
Screen's Exiles 54
Shortso On Tour 47
The Scrummies   46
Fermanagh Harlequinns   45
The Up & Unders 35
blood n guts   28

As I wrote, some lads scored heavily on SA today, worringly Hoof too.

O'Gara not doing the job for me.

Is this the first World Cup (Rugby) where the Soldiers Song won't be played?

Think it was the same last time, and maybe even in 1999 IIRC, though most people only discovered rugby existed around 2000.

Scots winning 56-10.

Just read Ireland's Call was first used at the 1995 WC.

Here, I'm going for Namibia, for it says in wikipedia - The dry lands of Namibia were inhabited since early times by Bushmen

I'm fecked but ah well, it's the taking part that counts.

I wouldn't say that HS.

You'd try scorers in Sharpe, McCaw (2) and a hat-trick from Elsom.

...and a great gamble it was by Scrummies with Monty scoring 29 pts.

Dinny Breen, Screen, Hoof, Cacks and Intimidators have 4-try Habana

Please note: Due to technical problems, the update of team points following Saturday's matches has not yet taken place, and so not to interfere with access to make team changes, no further attempts to update Saturday's games will be made until Sunday evening. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

So 10 played their kicker card yesterday. I think Carter hit 17 points.

Today, The Scrummies has P Montgomery (SA) whilst I'm on O'Gara.