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I'm talking crap by pointing to Mickey Harte's track record both in terms of delivering success and bringing players through and giving examples of both?

The loss of an undoubted prospect like mc Kenna a lad with his skill set  who eats sleeps and breathes Tyrone football and has followed every instruction given over the last 4 years to help him develop could say more about our development policies within Tyrone football as they do about the discarded lads.

I've never seen anything from McKenna to suggest he was worth his place. Have you?

He played on the same minor side as Peter Harte. Both players stood out at that level but Peter has pushed on where as McKenna has not taken the chance yet. I have seen him a few times for Tyrone seniors but he did not really impress. He will get another chance at some stage but needs to step it up to another level. I think he still has not developed physically enough for the area of the pitch in which he aims to play.

Don't often disagree with O'Neill but I think we have seen in club & uni games what Niall is capable of doing. rrhf..development policies...that's just rubbish. A quick word with any of the Tyrone squad from the last few years & you can quickly determine that Nialls only issue his is attitude. Unfortunately it's not the attitude of someone that wants to be Tyrones next midfielder. It's not that he has a bad attitude or is disruptive, it's just that he doesn't want it enough. Fact.

No... opinion. 
I hugely doubt yoiur point but am not close enough as I hope you are when you are coming out with it.  What I have seen is the best young lads being held out of the majority of club football for the last few years and some are apparently not achieving their potential and my arguement is that it is because of that reason.  Lads need football to develop not squad training / in house matches. The Tyrone senior intercounty squad should not be a development squad but a place for the finished article and those who are very close to being there.   

Based on this logic surely surely your glad he's not on the panel for the incoming year? Mickey Harte has a tough job in Tyrone cause he will be given abuse no matter what he does. He has delivered an All Ireland minor title, 2 All Ireland u21 titles, 3 senior All Irelands, multiple ulsters at every level and an Ulster club title. I think its fair to say he has the ability to bring players through.

This was evident from 2003. And despite people saying he was too loyal by 2008 he had a very different team and some players who took a few years to develop were now ready and given their chance (Penrose, Tommy McGuigan, McCullagh etc). Last year Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Ronan McNabb and Conor Clarke have shown that Harte will play young players if they prove to be good enough for the first team. Mark Donnelly and Colm Cavanagh have also proved that it can take a few years developing in the panel before your ready to start. I hate when people argue to play young players just for the sake of it, that won't help anyone. They should be made earn their place like everyone else. I'd rather see the best 15 on the field for every championship game no matter about age.

McKenna was a very good minor and I personally thought he was destined for big things. But he has yet to fully deliver on his potential. Unlike some other players in the panel he has been given plenty of opportunities in the last few years. I just don't think he has done enough in games to justify his selection (certainly on the starting team). What he does he does well but I just don't think he has done enough in games. Harte has obviously did his best to bring him through but like many other underage stars throughout the country he has yet to make it. Sport isn't an exact science and different players will react differently to the step up. Hopefully it will work out for the best for McKenna to go back to his club and hopefully over the next few years he will continue to improve and come back a better player.

Must admit ... in a clear out there are 2,or 3 names that are over the hill still there, and some of the younger players being replaced by less experienced and not as good versions of themselves. Will be tough year for tyrone.

I thought you'd be happy to see the introduction of fresh talent. Surprised to see Cassidy and Sean O'Neill go. Not so surprised with a lot of the other players that have gone.

There's a few players on that who are imjured for the McKenna Cup. So it really does appear to be the squad he intends using for the year with a possible few late additions like Mulligan if he wants to play. Can't believe how many changes he's made. Would love to know what that story is with Sean O'Neill and Cassidy. Maybe they aren't available.

He obviously is trying to find new options around the middle. Is McBride big? A lot of the top teams now seem to have one big powerful midfielder. We don't have anyone for this role. Id say Harte is looking for very athletic strong running players which will allow us to compete with Donegal.

It'll be interesting to hear from Harte to see what his plans are. It sounds like there is no doubt that multiple players have been dropped. Maybe he felt he needed to make a statement to the squad that no one's guarenteed a place.

I've seen 3 or 4 Errigal games recently and not surprised by the 3 players that it says in the Irish News that are being considered. Felt at times Tierney was very good and possibly the most consistent of the 3. Plunkett Kane is also a very athletic player who I felt for a few years might be worth a look at. Grugan by all accounts had been going well for Omagh and had looked a good talent at minor level. Morgan seems to be a very good keeper.

Does anyone know much about Barry Tierney, Kevin Gallagher, Danny McBride or Dean McNally? Did they all play underage for Tyrone? What age are they and what position do they play for the club? I think both McNally and McBride are defenders. We definitely need to find a few good strong man markers.

I also feel some extra power is needed around midfield. Perhaps Warnock is being considered for here. I assumed Grugan at this level would be considered more for the half forward line. Warnock looked good to me at u21 level but possibly had stamina issues. Wouldn't have minded seeing McGinley back now but guess he wouldn't have been interested.

All in all I think its going to lead to a very interesting McKenna Cup for Tyrone. I actually enjoy seeing the new players during it.

Would wait on further confirmation before believing this. I wonder have some of the players just been rested for the McKenna Cup. Find it hard to believe he's dropped McGuigan, Mulligan, Harte, Cassidy, Sean O'Neill, McCarron, Devine and even McKenna. Maybe some of them have quit or are injured.

In terms of the recent success it has to be Errigal. Mickey Harte, Peter and Pascal Canavan, Davy Harte, John Devine, Enda McGinley, Mark Harte, Cormac McGinley, Peter Harte and Daisy McDermott amongst many others have played their part in silverware at different levels.

Ardboe seem to provide the mercurial talents in Frank, Brian and Tommy McGuigan as well as the twinkle-toed McConville. The Moy have produced solid All-Ireland performers in Philip Jordan, Sean Cavanagh, Ryan Mellon and Colm Cavanagh - all scorers in All-Ireland finals. And Plunkett.

Collie Holmes also played all his underage football with the Moy and part of his senior career. He along with S Cavanagh, Mellon and Jordan all started the 08 final with Colm coming off the bench. Definitely an achievment for a small enough club.

Off course a lot of the players won't end up playing in the championship but its always interesting to see how good club players do when they step up a level. It also gives you a chance to see what players might make the break through later in the year. It can produce some decent games. £20 isn't bad especially if your county plays 5 games which Tyrone have done regularly in recent years. Assume the fixtures will soon be announced.

What age is Plunkett Kane? Seems to have done well for Coalisland for a few years now. McCurry has did well for Edendork all year and I'm sure will hold his place in the squad. Grugan and Sludden could be worth looking at to. Once Errigal go out he may consider a couple of them as well (maybe Canavan though could be too soon).

If I was Harte I would be begging Enda McGinley to come back. He's back fit and in good form. He's exactly what Tyrone need around the middle and could be a great partner for Sean Cavanagh. That would allow Colm Cavanagh and Joe McMahon to take up the half forward slots and would leave the team a bit more able to compete physically. Before anyone says it would be a step back because of his age, I don't care what age he is - I want the best 15 players on the pitch for Tyrone next year whether they're 19 or 34.

I'm still convinced he didn't deliberately spit on o'se. A still picture can be very misleading.

He establishment in the Tyrone side could have been stymied if Decy McCrossan had remained at home to do his PGCE and had stayed with the Tyrone squad.  He was superior in so many ways to McMenamin and played the same part for Tyrone.

A ridiculous post. McMenamin would have been a key player for Tyrone no matter what. McCrossan was there in 03 and didn't make the team after the Ulster final. He was a very good player but not as good all round as McMenamin.

I don't believe McMenamin purposely spat at Marc O'Se despite what an earlier poster said. The McEntee incident was the one where he did cross line.

I do recognise that it is a shitty scenario but when you take on a job with another club, that has to become 'your club' for that year and you have to see it out to the end.

During the year, he has been asking fellas to knock their bollix in for him. He will have dropped players, given off to players for not giving 100% to the team and now that this arises, he takes himself off for 2 weeks leaving 'his' team at a major disadvantage ahead of a massive game. Commitment??

He is still a young fella who I would imagine expects to have a long career in management. This, to me, shows that unless he is managing Ballinderry (or possibly Derry) then he isn't really arsed and would drop ye like a stone. Who'd sign up to play under a manager like that?

A poor decision.

He has given 100% to the Errigal cause all season and they've got the rewards from this. He knows in his heart he can't give 100% against his own club and has known that from the start and put it on record with those who appointed him. I've more respect for someone taking this stance than someone who would plot the downfall of their own club for money. Its a difficult situation but I certainly wouldn't be sticking the boot into the man for showing loyalty to his home club, which is a huge part of the gaa.

If anything it maybe highlights the difficulty of having an outside manager and that it doesn't sit perfectly in the gaa model of love for your own club and county. Considering the abuse Seanie Johnston took this year I believe some of those who are criticising McGuckin are a little hypocritical.

I'm surprised about how negative some of the attitude is here to McGuckin. From my point of view it goes against everything the gaa stands for to try and manage a team to beat your own club. I could think of doing nothing worse in gaa terms. I'm not a huge fan of all these outside managers but I'm glad he has stuck to their word. He has done a great job for Errigal and they would have been more than happy with a county title at the start of the year. He knew his heart wouldn't be in this game and has did the right thing in walking away for it.

I remember once attending a Tyrone league game v Donegal and Brian McIvor on the sideline for Donegal shouting abuse at Tyrone players. I wondered then how anyone could shout against their own county. Plotting the downfall off your own club is taking it a step further.

I also remember reading Eamon Coleman saying when he was managing Cavan he couldn't shout against his native county.

I can honestly say the Railway Cup final in Armagh this year was as good a game as I was at this year. Quite open but still competitive and very high quality. If there was more games like this it would certainly help promote the competition and the gaa. I really like Kernan's idea of playing it on St Patricks Day with the club finals.