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No good minors in Connacht it seems! !

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Semi finalists only it appears, I'm sure Sean Mulkerrin wouldn't have been far away if Galway had beaten Cavan, he was an outstanding minor unfortunately his more talked about mate in the forward line had an appalling game and which was one of the reasons Galway threw it away.

[Maybe it is but I would assocate Kildare fans with insight and the odd whine. Poor Kildare. Woe is Kildare. All great teams die eventually. Kildare should be thinking ahead .And Kildare are ahead of the rest of Leinster. Who is going to change the system? You need to be organised to do that. You could look at the hurling experience in Galway. We got hammered numerous times by Kilkenny. Some of them were dreadful. There were some awful managers as well. Ger Loughnane. But the people involved never gave up. They broke with the old system in 2011 and went for youth . Could have won the final in 2012 but didn't have the experience. Kept at it. And then Kilkenny imploded. And who was left standing ?]

Home advantage counts in every sport. To think different contravenes every known published article on it. Croke Park is a massive advantage to Dublin and that shouldn't be even up for debate.

Sure but what % difference does it make? GAA has different fan dynamics to soccer. Maybe they can't be compared.

Also this Dub team looks very like Cody pomp Kilkenny.  Will Kildare be ready for the fall or can we expect more of the battered wife commentary indefinitely?

In soccer it's worth 0.6 of a goal.
In NFL is 2.8 points.
In AFL it's 7 points.
In NBA it's 2.33 points
In Super Rugby it's worth 5 & 10 points if International Travel involved.

So based on the above I would say Croke is worth 2/3 points to Dublin, enough to win 4 All-Irelands by a point...

As for a Kildare being a battered wife, a bit of a crude analogy do you not think? It's not the physical beatings it's the lack of support from outside the province and indeed the narrative that Leinster is sh*t and Meath/Kildare must do better that's probably done more harm as people just ignored the evidence to the contrary until now.

Maybe it is but I would assocate  Kildare fans with insight and the odd whine. Poor Kildare. Woe is Kildare. 
All great teams die eventually. Kildare should be thinking ahead .And Kildare are ahead of the rest of Leinster.

Who is going to change the system?  You need to be organised to do that.

You could look at the hurling experience in  Galway. We got hammered numerous times by Kilkenny. Some of them were dreadful. There were some awful managers as well. Ger Loughnane.
But the people involved never gave up. They broke with the old system in 2011 and went for youth . Could have won the final in 2012 but didn't have the experience. Kept at it. And then Kilkenny imploded. And who was left standing ?

That must be one of the greatest pieces of Rubbish written on this board!

+1

The ultimate seal of approval from someone who'd know.

Some posters seem to think Cluxton is a certainty to win an All Star, I just don't see that as Clarke has had a brilliant year and Cluxton had a poor first half in terms of his kickouts.

Boyle, Higgins, Barrett & Moran are all certainties to win All Stars as are McCarthy, McCaffrey, Callaghan & Mannion. I don't think anyone else is guaranteed to win one. Cavanagh was outstanding and probably deserves one but will probably miss out to McCarthy & Parsons.

Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.

Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.

I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?

Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.

The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.

Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.

All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.

Only a Roscommon man would take Smith over Cavanagh.  Cavanagh was immense this year.  Don't think Rock or Aidan O'Se should get one either but they probably will as we all know by now how this sham of an awards process works.

Doherty deserves one ahead of McLaughlin & AOS, he had 2 great games against Kerry and a good final but will probably miss out. I know Rock was quiet enough leading up to the final but I thought he had a very good final, 4 points from play and 2 brilliant frees under a lot of pressure.

Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.

Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.

I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?

Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.

The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.

Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.

All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.

Mayo played 10 championship games whilst Roscommon played Leitrim, Galway and Mayo twice. Keegan scored 1-3 from play against Roscommon.

He had one great performance against a decent side all summer, miles away from all star material.

Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.

Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.

maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

Or higher membership fees. My (Dublin) sub is 305 for myself (non-playing) and 2 kids (u16)

What would get for that in terms of gear?

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Harrison took a far bigger roasting in the 2nd half from Mannion.

I'd beg to differ on that one. Mannion won that duel in the second half alright but it's not comparable to what happened in the other duel.

Fitzsimons was roasted all game by Moran. 0-3 in the first half, and then Moran was out in front to set up both the goal for chance for Doherty and the goal for Keegan on a plate. And then there were the other shots Moran should have put over. It was 1-3 but it should have been 2-5.

It was a proper roasting in the Ollie Murphy/Peadar Andrews mould. Jim Gavin would been roasted himself had Mayo won for not switching Fitzsimons off Moran.

Harrison only picked Mannion up in the 2nd half, in that time he kicked 3 points from play, set up a few others and skinned Harrison to create one of his 2 goal chances. Dress it up whatever way you want but Harrison was given the runaround in the 2nd half.

Walsh  to stay on in galway,don't think it's the most favoured but I suppose for continuation purposes not a bad thing,will the players be pleased?it's hard to know I think if you see panel withdrawals,you have your answer.

You know something we don't?

Fair play hardy and I agree to an extent but the GAA either come down on all these antics or its bollix. The mental ferocity in which the dublin players started dragging out of our bucks in the dying minutes was so calculated , now if the ref awarded a free kick and handed mayo possession fourty yards out to where this was going on , it would of made some difference and teams might never engage in.this again.

The black card is not enough of a deterrent for this type of behaviour and it won't stop it happening again. Conceding a 21 yard free would certainly be enough to deter the aggressor.

Pick it

Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)

Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)

McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)

Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)

McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)

And that's it.

Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0

Harrison took a far bigger roasting in the 2nd half from Mannion.

Good to see Shaw getting some minutes..

I just hope he responds to the criticism in the same way Martial & Mkhitaryan did. I just hope he stays fit, probably won't get another game until Swansea in the next round. It would be a huge bonus to get him back to where he was at the beginning of 15/16 season.

He will never be back to what he was, the injury was terrible and he seems to be a bit off in terms of his commitment in the tackle, not surprising given his injury.

Think there is only one way to get him back there is get him in the team and play him into form, the more games he gets the more comfortable he will become and hopefully the form will follow.

Lindelof is looking to be a slow starter, hopefully JM can work with him in the same sort of fashion he did with Rojo, at least he started to look like a player last season until his unfortunate injury.

Its hard to say the broken leg is affecting him when he doesn't stay fit.

Plenty wrote Vidic off when he first arrived, Jose has a great record with centre half's so I'll give him plenty of time. I hope Fosu-Mensah gets plenty of game time for Palace as he has great potential, the same goes for Pereira at Valencia. Both have the ability to be top class players.

maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys

There was me thinking the likes of Aughamore & Knockmore would have no problem paying half a GDO's salary.

davitts are the 2nd highest  sellers / earners from the GAA national draw as an aside

Which clubs in Dublin contribute 50% to the salary of the GDO and how many members do those clubs have?

maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys

There was me thinking the likes of Aughamore & Knockmore would have no problem paying half a GDO's salary.

sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs

Imagine a club having the luxury of been able to contribute to half a GDO's salary. How many clubs in Dublin do this?