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Il sign off for the weekend gents, best of luck to sound reasonable ungrudging Mayo Folk on here. If its not us, I'm glad its you.

Up the Dubs.

Its crazy that you are looking at Cluxton as being one of the main reasons for Dublins dominance, teams nowadays just give up the kickouts, which automatically give the team possession. As a shot stopper he's been asked to do it less that the other keepers out there, but when he does he does it well.

I'm not knocking keepers btw

Mise?

Not going to go through whos a better player etc at this stage but people have short memories, if your only thinking of the last few years. He's a key part of it but obviously not the only reason for it.

Also people not taking into consideration outside of playing ability of what he brings to the set up, whether leadership skills or mentoring etc.

Mayo by 1 to 3 points, Dublin haven't been tested at all this year, Mayo a different animal, the intensity they bring to their Dublin games is unreal, Dublin could be caught out, However Dublin will probably require Mannion, Howard and Costello of the bench to save them.

That's an honest appraisal coming from yourself. I'm relatively optimistic but would've preferred a windy day in Dublin to mess with Cluxtos kickouts. Looking back at last year Dublin were not all that great and Kerry had them in the final only for David Morans fatigued passage of play.

Taking away the home supporters must be worth something for the away team, particularly if it's close.

I think we will do it this year, Mayo by 5+

Yeah look you have to fair, and as i said above, there were no tough games for Dublin this year, lets be honest they strolled them, they are going to get hit with a hurricane here and i hope they are ready for it.

Just on the fans thing, i was thinking no fans would help Mayo more, but now i am not so sure, as the Mayo Fans Drive them on too, Very loud an boisterous throughout all their battles with Dublin.

Hoping for good game. You will get no begrudgery from me if Mayo win it but obviously hoping the Dubs do it, my feeling is the dominance will not last and this could be our last one for a couple of years maybe, who knows. Cluxton 39 today too . . . could be his last.....

Mayo by 1 to 3 points, Dublin haven't been tested at all this year, Mayo a different animal, the intensity they bring to their Dublin games is unreal, Dublin could be caught out, However Dublin will probably require Mannion, Howard and Costello of the bench to save them. 

Should all we heard over the last 7 or 8 years is how do you stop Cluxtons kick outs.  Have they give up or?

Not only is he up there with one of the greatest Keepers of all time, he is up there with one of the greatest Players of all time.

You must take everything into account i.e he may not be the best shop stopper in the country, but you have to take in longevity, medals, leadership on and off the field, how to go about your business.

I heard numerous Inter county keepers saying they follow the Cluxton model, or inspire to be close to his talent.

Why did Dublin not win an All Ireland in his first 10 seasons if he was one of the greatest players of all time?

1 player does not make a team.

But surely if he's one of the greatest players of all time he should have won an All Ireland for Dublin in that time? Dublin and Kerry have always been the two heavyweights of the game.

There's no doubt Cluxton has been the best keeper of his generation or that he revolutionised the role of a keeper.

But that does not mean that his importance is overstated. His job is made so much easier than any other keeper about because of the players around him, when that quality of player wasn't there he never appeared in an All Ireland final. It took him his 11th season as Dublin no 1 to get there.

It's easier for Cluxton to look better than other keepers because he plays with better players. It's easier for Cluxton to get his kickouts right because he is passing the best coached and best physically conditioned team in the country.

You swap Beggan, Morgan, Patton, Galligan in for Cluxton and Dublin are no worse off. His worth is hugely overstated.

Why didn't Peter Canavan not win and all Ireland from 1989 to 2003 if he was one of the greatest forwards of all time, sorry man but your argument is flawed.

" THE DUBS ROBBED HIM IN 1995 ETC ETC "

Also Dublin underachieved in the 2000s, for a few different reasons.

The main reason was because Dublin was flaky in the 2000s

Absolutely.

Should all we heard over the last 7 or 8 years is how do you stop Cluxtons kick outs.  Have they give up or?

Not only is he up there with one of the greatest Keepers of all time, he is up there with one of the greatest Players of all time.

You must take everything into account i.e he may not be the best shop stopper in the country, but you have to take in longevity, medals, leadership on and off the field, how to go about your business.

I heard numerous Inter county keepers saying they follow the Cluxton model, or inspire to be close to his talent.

Why did Dublin not win an All Ireland in his first 10 seasons if he was one of the greatest players of all time?

1 player does not make a team.

But surely if he's one of the greatest players of all time he should have won an All Ireland for Dublin in that time? Dublin and Kerry have always been the two heavyweights of the game.

There's no doubt Cluxton has been the best keeper of his generation or that he revolutionised the role of a keeper.

But that does not mean that his importance is overstated. His job is made so much easier than any other keeper about because of the players around him, when that quality of player wasn't there he never appeared in an All Ireland final. It took him his 11th season as Dublin no 1 to get there.

It's easier for Cluxton to look better than other keepers because he plays with better players. It's easier for Cluxton to get his kickouts right because he is passing the best coached and best physically conditioned team in the country.

You swap Beggan, Morgan, Patton, Galligan in for Cluxton and Dublin are no worse off. His worth is hugely overstated.

Why didn't Peter Canavan not win and all Ireland from 1989 to 2003 if he was one of the greatest forwards of all time, sorry man but your argument is flawed.

" THE DUBS ROBBED HIM IN 1995 ETC ETC "

Also Dublin underachieved in the 2000s, for a few different reasons.

Should all we heard over the last 7 or 8 years is how do you stop Cluxtons kick outs.  Have they give up or?

Not only is he up there with one of the greatest Keepers of all time, he is up there with one of the greatest Players of all time.

You must take everything into account i.e he may not be the best shop stopper in the country, but you have to take in longevity, medals, leadership on and off the field, how to go about your business.

I heard numerous Inter county keepers saying they follow the Cluxton model, or inspire to be close to his talent.

Why did Dublin not win an All Ireland in his first 10 seasons if he was one of the greatest players of all time?

1 player does not make a team.

Should all we heard over the last 7 or 8 years is how do you stop Cluxtons kick outs.  Have they give up or?

Not only is he up there with one of the greatest Keepers of all time, he is up there with one of the greatest Players of all time.

You must take everything into account i.e he may not be the best shop stopper in the country, but you have to take in longevity, medals, leadership on and off the field, how to go about your business.

I heard numerous Inter county keepers saying they follow the Cluxton model, or inspire to be close to his talent.

Personally i have no problem with sustained periods of dominance, i am biased of course.

It happens in all sports. Counties etc. Nothing lasts forever etc etc,.

My opinion this current Limerick team will go on to at least another 4 or so.

Filled with nerves about this one, thinking this is where it ends. it will be tight but Mayo have a great shout and lets be honest, a lot of the pressure is off them this year.

No Fans, no tickets, some baggage gone.

Hoping for a good open entertaining game. Mayo always bring it.

Bump.

They will win a lot more. How long will it take for the " discussion to happen"

Totally agree, mup

Connolly hugely overrated

Hugely underrated, was the best player in the country for about 2-3 years running at his prime and settled for all Ireland's instead of individual player awards. Everyone outside of Dublin would disagree of course.!

I would not dispute Keegan in that team also, he was/is consistently top 5 player in the country. Is he the best wing back over the last 30 years? different era's etc.

Being biased, and i am biased, i would have James McCarthy in there somewhere, Jordan too, its really hard to leave players out also. Everyone remembers AI winners and finals, those players get the spotlight.

Meath v Louth Leinster final, that was madness.

That's all I know. I didn't actually hear which player it was but was informed it was an Ulster based player that came from a sports journalist.

From a Div 1 county?

That would mean it's a Donegal, Monaghan or Tyrone payer according to your source.

Lower league player according to the examiner today.

Division 4.