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LDA - why did you bring up the topic of the Irish flag then - the context it was used looked to imply that it was used to be sectarian.
you still have not pointed out what songs are about blowing people up that are sung by Celtic fans.
if you think scotland would be a friendly safe place if all the Celtic/rangers fans were shipped out - then you need to have a closer look at the place.
charlie mulgrew isnt great- point was that he could have been good if strachan hadnt been so unprofessional and thrown a hissy fit. that he has been called up and played for scotland shows he has some talent - but it could have been more- so think again when saying i know nothing about soccer !

rangers will be safe. they will lose a couple of players but thats about it.

Why do you have two usernames? Anyway this is tiresome, there is no need for further explanation on the flag as its perfectly obvious in the initial post. Similarly there is no denying that some Celtic fans sing songs that glorify blowing people up.

As for Scotland being a safe and friendly place without the OF I made no such suggestion, rather that the OF have contributed hugely to bigotry still being an issue here.  It would help if you read posts more carefully before replying and asking people to justify comments they actually haven't made.

Mulgrew is the same limited player he always was, but credit to Lennon for making the most of his talents and using him in such a way that his weaknesses are not exposed. Good management. I think its a weak case if you believe that a Scotland cap means he is talented though given some of the dross Scotland cap. Strachan had better options in his time at Celtic.

Disagree on Rangers too, they will ultimately survive or re emerge but there will be more pain than just the loss of 2 players, which has indeed already happened.

thats fine about the flag - but the puzzling thing is why did you mention it in the first place (an attempt at inferring something that has backfired)
again please let me know which song you are referring to about blowing up people - I am intrigued as I dont think I know this one...
simple question. you keep banging on about it, so you must know what it is..

LDA - why did you bring up the topic of the Irish flag then - the context it was used looked to imply that it was used to be sectarian.
you still have not pointed out what songs are about blowing people up that are sung by Celtic fans.
if you think scotland would be a friendly safe place if all the Celtic/rangers fans were shipped out - then you need to have a closer look at the place.
charlie mulgrew isnt great- point was that he could have been good if strachan hadnt been so unprofessional and thrown a hissy fit. that he has been called up and played for scotland shows he has some talent - but it could have been more- so think again when saying i know nothing about soccer !

rangers will be safe. they will lose a couple of players but thats about it.

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- what songs celebrate blowing people up- I dont know too many and certainly never heard them sung at CP.

Really? You've never heard any "ooh, aah, up the 'RA" chants from Celtic fans?

and what part of oohh ahh etc etc glorifies blowing up anyone ....

I sing the first line of our national anthem - It doesnt make me a 'soldier'  and I have no intention of manning the 'bear na baoil' either.
I dont sing that graffitti on the wall song either but use a a bit of cop on there man !

[wouldnt be in agreement with you there]

I don't think so. I think the rest of the Scottish fans despise the Old Firm for the fact that they have exploited sectarianism for mutual gain - carving up the spoils in Scottish football as a result - for over a century. The vast majority of the fans of other clubs couldn't give a shit about Irish politics yet since time immemorial have been subjected to morons brandishing red hand flags/tricolours and singing about being up to their knees in blood or blowing people up. And in the case of Celtic the bleating about how everybody is against them when in reality they have always been very much part of the establishment is tiresome.  Really they are both just horrible football clubs, and that's why the rest of Scottish football don't like them.

wouldnt be in agreement with you there
- i'd say the reason for dislike/hatred is the success of the two glasgow clubs. plus the townies v hicks old global feud.
- whats sectarian about an Irish Tricolour flag - or even how it is brandished.....come off it...
- what songs celebrate blowing people up- I dont know too many and certainly never heard them sung at CP.

Well that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Those are however some of the key reasons for the dislike many Scottish football fans have for the Old Firm, or the "bigot brothers" as they are more commonly known amongst Scottish football fans.

well it was nothing personal there fella.

I'm happy to say that Celtic are disliked by many if not all clubs in scotland - or elements of them, but apart from the potential for jealosy, I cannot see too many jocks disliking one or the other because of 'bigotry' ! no harm to you folks, but for the 75% of the population, thats a bit too above their level - and I am trying not to put that in a bad way - the working classes just dont or wont be too bothered about that. imo.

but I would like to hear your response to my other parts in my last post . no problem if not.

I don't think so. I think the rest of the Scottish fans despise the Old Firm for the fact that they have exploited sectarianism for mutual gain - carving up the spoils in Scottish football as a result - for over a century. The vast majority of the fans of other clubs couldn't give a shit about Irish politics yet since time immemorial have been subjected to morons brandishing red hand flags/tricolours and singing about being up to their knees in blood or blowing people up. And in the case of Celtic the bleating about how everybody is against them when in reality they have always been very much part of the establishment is tiresome.  Really they are both just horrible football clubs, and that's why the rest of Scottish football don't like them.

wouldnt be in agreement with you there
- i'd say the reason for dislike/hatred is the success of the two glasgow clubs. plus the townies v hicks old global feud.
- whats sectarian about an Irish Tricolour flag - or even how it is brandished.....come off it...
- what songs celebrate blowing people up- I dont know too many and certainly never heard them sung at CP.

think diamonds problems were also more linked to a spate of injures he hit around the time before and after anderson left if I recall correctly.
seemed to stop his development as he certainly wasnt the same player after these.
being linked to Celtic I reckon also unsettled him a lot and this was possibly also a factor.

Ah thats a bit harsh on Zander.always thought he was tough tackling no nonsense type player.

Only if you define the ability to play football as "nonsense"
and tough as "late"...

He's quite good at scaring away the seagulls though.

very harsh.
aberdeen's diamond and anderson were the best centre halves that I can recall them having since the days under awex fwerguson

O snodaigh and quinn should both be fired from their parties otherwise we might as well say that labour and sf have no more principles than the gangsters in ff and their first cousins in fg. Both politicians should man up and quit too and anyone who defends either action should take a long look at themselves.

think you are in the right ballpark
there are a lot (I wont say all) politicians that are all just the flippin same.
the old joke whats the difference between FF and FG - nothing - still stands.
labour havent stood for 'labour' and the workers for decades now.
SF - well they have some good ideas but while not knowing much about osnodaigh, I just never liked the look of him. he needs to pay back what he has cost the taxpayer - thats was just way OTT and just not giving a fcuk about printing/costs.
Quinn - well I am very disappointed in him
there is prob no outrage as we have a history of not being outraged at our politicians fraudulent and self indulgent behaviour.
sure the gov cant even ask the EU for costs reductions - the fecking IMF are telling us to do it instead.
how f**king useles are our politicians -I think fg are no worse than what else coul dbe in there.
I said it before, we need a revolution and maybe even a dictatorship to get us out of this more quickly. these clowns in the dail are only interested in themselves.

delighted with the win, one swallow not making a summer and all that but we know Derry have talent. Monaghan Ithought did also but just obv had a bad game.

Derry never cease to surprise us - good and bad.

The pertinent point in the game against Kildare was that Monaghan exhibited a first class disciplined display of scoring points from play. The impotent Lilywhites were put to the sword before half time. They were a beaten docket before the handbag skirmish.
Personally, I don't read too much into that one game.
Anyway, isn't it obvious that Derry are struggling to play good football, good enough to beat a team like Monaghan?
Maybe I missed something in previous posters' comments but I thought I detected a kind of gloom, almost despair, mixed in with a bit of (commendable) blind optimism?
Maybe the pressure of the game will inspire Derry to do enough to win and lift the gloom. I'd say its 50/50 with Monaghan having the stronger 50.

its Monaghans to win (providing they dont drag it down into scraps and give Derry a chance as in a fight mode - all games are 50-50 ....unless its Tyrone as them buxtaurds are masters at that oul craic !!).
IMO Derry are a month behind in fitness, continuity and team cohesion. Let alone big question marks over some playing personnel.
We have talent, but its on paper only right now.
Hopefully we will be right by championship, but I dont hold out much hope for this game unless Monaghan do one of their famous implosions!

The way I like to look at it, is that we currently have the former Commander of the Derry IRA running the show.

By the mid-Eighties the Derry IRA was thoroughly infiltrated and undermined by police and military intelligence.

yeah - heard those tales also ...
and some will have you believe that these infiltrators and British soldiers actually carried out the raids/shootings/bombings etc etc too

think people are confusing this with the british soldiers that were seconded to the loyalist unionist military operations and lead their shooting/bombing sprees etc.

[killing Gardai, Irish soldiers]

Pity they couldn't have kept it at fighting those   
However bank robbing , intimidation, killing Gardai, Irish soldiers , British and Irish civilians.......  ,smuggling, "tax" on drug dealers / criminals, spreading foot and mouth etc etc means that an awful lot of Irish people never had any time for them.

as a matter of interest how many of these lads did they kill?

also I suspect that your intimidation above was used more (99% i'd say) rather than 'tax' on the drug dealers.
Any drug dealer I know of was hounded out of their areas - again I have a relation who was one and I have no sympathy for him.

spreading foot and mouth - was that careless cattle selling or something - maybe that annoyed some people alright -but blaming the IRA etc - fer fooks sake 

Yes a lot of the things that the IRA etc did were horrible but in retaliation to generations of similar and worse from the apartheid type regime from the loyalist/unionist estaishment!
It seemingly took this dreadful like for like retaliation to finally bring down that totalitarian unionist/loyalist junta and win equality for all people's - esp the Catholic Irish working classes!

It is still tragic that Gordon Gallagher had to die for this to happen.

Yes it was. Also tragic regarding the thousands of others that were killed during the war of the 'troubles' and tragic regarding those killed, persecuted (and eventually driven to retaliate )  over the generations prior to the civil right movement.
If unionists/loyalists hadn't been hell bent on denial of equality and insisted on maintaining the status quo by terror and brutality - the whole lot could have been avoided!

Does everything have to be tied back to the unionists? I mean what did you just add there apart from "if it wasn't for the unionists".

only when the 'blame' is thrown out repeatedly in threads such as this - if there is blame to be attributed then there is a wider picture.
yes terrible that this young lad was killed, but is he any different to any other kids from whatever side of the divide , or women or even men.

yes terrible waste of life - but the use of this poor kids memory to 'point score' is the usual carry on.
If people are going to start throwing stones, then a bit of reality and context may make them realise they are standing in a glass house !

So your reaction to "blame" being thrown about is to blame the Unionist? Don't you see the hypocrisy in that. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

think this is going over your head.
the 'blame' is the point - why cast stones. The family itself seemed to take this news and apology far better than some on here (seemingly yourself also) - while the poor feckers have every right to be angry and tell the IRA to go f themselves.
its the crass cheap point scoring manner that these topics are dredged up that is the sad part of it.
my point is people shouldnt be throwing stones in glass houses- thats both sides. if they all stopped then it would be far better. these stones hit the eyes that make them blind, not the people calling foul when the point scoring efforts on here start!

Knew a couple of hunger strikers - before they were locked up. One of them said that as a single man he would rather take the place of a man with a family and kids, that he wanted his own family to rear their kids in peace and he did what he had to do to try to win this right.
He's dead now, but his family have kids that are prospering and the man himself would be taking huge delight in how they are now able to do - with a part of this freedom and equality he and his comrades helped win.
this is what a lot of loyalist/unionists cannot stomach. they dont have anyone with the guts to do anything heroic in their triumphalist history. then again the establishment and aggressors generally never do.