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No one's saying the ref should "stop play for cramp"

The ref had already stopped play for a foul which directly led to the player who was fouled needing medical attention from the physio.

Jeez, what part don't you get??

Computer says no!!

Pissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick

Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man.  You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but  it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.

Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man

Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair.  I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them? 

Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.

A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.

I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.

As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at

I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged. 

The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp.  He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment.  The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them?? 

Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??

You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know.  Did you not see it from your armchair?  Or do you not understand what I'm asking?  The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?

I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??

"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul.  Jesus wept

I've played many years, never before have I seen or heard of someone getting fouled and developing cramp, he was fouled and his teammate took the free

I'll say it one more time, and maybe your pea sized brain will understand, head injury stop play, cramp play on.

All the other stuff is irrelevant, Naomh Brid lost the game because the scored less than Glen over the course of the match, not because of a player having cramp.

Move on..

That's the stupidest post yet. Of course players are more likely to get cramp if approaching fatigue if suddenly hauled or dragged and their muscles have to stand up to a sudden involuntary movement.  If you don't know.....don't open your mouth, you know what Abraham Lincoln would say.

You subscribe to the school of "well i've never seen it so it can't be a thing". That evidence based practice. I'm looking for the clown emoji here but seems there isn't one.

So you've confirmed you know f@#k all about sports science. You're also well on the way to confirming you either don't know the rules or actually don't know how to apply them properly.  But then we all knew that already, you've just put it in type.

So when a player gets cramp it's down to being fouled? 👌

And the ref should stop play for cramp

And no, the ref is not obligated to stop play because he knows nothing on sports science.

I wonder will they bring that into the training for ref's 

No, you said that!! You just made that bit up!

Read what I said again....slowly

Based on this evidence they should probably bring in an IQ test though.

Delighted to see St Thomas' win it. O'Loughlin Gaels will feel aggrieved about the one that looked over the line but I can't stand simulation and karma bit them in the ass, that was never a red card.

Much to be admired about St Thomas' mentality, physical and mental toughness and endurance over the 2 games, the semi final and final.  But they have some amazing hurlers too, Conor Cooney obviously, the Burke's etc. Those last 2 points of Eanna Burke's were simply magical, worth the admission fee alone.

With Ballyhale missing a few last year O'Loughlin's will see that as a huge missed opportunity. They lack a few forwards and have relied on scores from further out. It's a long way back for them. 

Agree - very hard to see that as a red card. Mind you, Burke could easily have got a second yellow just before he scored that amazing point. You know, I sort of wanted O'Loughlin Gaels to win it, but I fancied Thomas', and they were the better balanced side.

Yep he should have been off for a second yellow for the loose slap at the gaels player's hand.  I can't recall what the first yellow was for though.

This is the depths Oso has sunk us to, we're finding ourselves sticking up for MR2. God I hate him

Maybe you can answer the original questions I posed?

1-1 for Glen directly from bad calls from the referee between the 58th and 60th minute in a one point game!!

I doubt you've the literacy tbh

Pissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick

Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man.  You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but  it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.

Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man

Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair.  I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them? 

Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.

A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.

I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.

As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at

I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged. 

The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp.  He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment.  The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them?? 

Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??

You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know.  Did you not see it from your armchair?  Or do you not understand what I'm asking?  The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?

I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??

"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul.  Jesus wept

I've played many years, never before have I seen or heard of someone getting fouled and developing cramp, he was fouled and his teammate took the free

I'll say it one more time, and maybe your pea sized brain will understand, head injury stop play, cramp play on.

All the other stuff is irrelevant, Naomh Brid lost the game because the scored less than Glen over the course of the match, not because of a player having cramp.

Move on..

That's the stupidest post yet. Of course players are more likely to get cramp if approaching fatigue if suddenly hauled or dragged and their muscles have to stand up to a sudden involuntary movement.  If you don't know.....don't open your mouth, you know what Abraham Lincoln would say.

You subscribe to the school of "well i've never seen it so it can't be a thing". That evidence based practice. I'm looking for the clown emoji here but seems there isn't one.

So you've confirmed you know f@#k all about sports science. You're also well on the way to confirming you either don't know the rules or actually don't know how to apply them properly.  But then we all knew that already, you've just put it in type.

Pissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick

Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man.  You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but  it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.

Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man

Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair.  I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them? 

Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.

A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.

I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.

As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at

I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged. 

The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp.  He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment.  The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them?? 

Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??

You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know.  Did you not see it from your armchair?  Or do you not understand what I'm asking?  The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?

I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??

"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul.  Jesus wept

Far from me to stand up for MR2 but considering he is actually a ref your armchair comments are slightly strange. Surely he is less of an armchair ref than the rest of us windbags who don't walk the walk. Unless your going to tell me your a ref?

Armchair in that he is an expert on teams he's never actually seen play.  He does go to games, when he gets expenses as a ref.  Way too tight to actually pay into a game. 

Pissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick

Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man.  You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but  it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.

Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man

Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair.  I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them? 

Did you give opinions? Not sure if you have ever played before, but in the rules you don't stop the play for cramp, now if the player had have went down and held his head the ref may have done something different. Also the player taking the free didn't have to take it right away, could have held up, might have made the ref give a throw ball but it might not have ended up with the ball in the net.

A bit of cuteness and Glen could have lost the game, but in the end they (Naomh Brid) were the masters of their own downfall and lost the game.

I've said on another thread that the ref was grand, couldn't really fault him too much, the hurling ref, not so much.

As I said before, I'll be at a hell of a lot more games than you will ever be at

I know all of this... Everyone knows this about cramp....but as I specifically said the Glen player fouled the St Brigids player and in the process of fouling him this resulted in cramp....presumably fatigue and over stretching and getting dragged. 

The ref acknowledged the foul, gave the free but didn't allow the St Brigids player to be treated for cramp even though by giving the free he acknowledged what caused the cramp.  He wasn't faking, he couldn't get up and needed treatment.  The ref then forces St Brigids to take the free even though they are at a numerical disadvantage as a direct consequence of the foul that's just been committed against them?? 

Where's the logic or fairness in any of that??

You didn't answer my question? You just regurgitated what we all know.  Did you not see it from your armchair?  Or do you not understand what I'm asking?  The foul caused the cramp....why then is the player not allowed to be treated in an instance like this and why should the referee force st Brigids to take the free with a man down even though the foul resulted in they man being down?

I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Do you not know the answer??

"Masters of their own downfall" for being forced to take a free with a man lying on the ground as a consequence of the foul.  Jesus wept

Pissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick

Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man.  You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but  it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.

Not on your radar but mentioned me in your post about the game? Wise up wee man

Because you're a referee, as you like to remind everyone and offer your opinion on most decisions from your armchair.  I asked you to justify or explain the decisions? Can you not justify them, or did you miss them? 

Leavin aside Mr Oso special as I'm pretty sure he's on the windup at this stage, is it an antrim or Belfast thing to keep calling each other wee man 🤣🤣

I can picture two of yis standing there calling each other wee man wee man wee man till yous both reach about 4ft tall then agree on a truce 🤣🤣

He's about 5 ft 6 at a push in his studs, screw in ones, not mouldies mind.

Pissing off Oso... tick
Glen, best team Ireland... tick

Pissing me off? Aye alright, you're not even on the radar wee man.  You're very quick to throw in your referees view on most things in here but  it doesn't surprise me you missed any of those points , I've seen you in action.

Oso, suck it up!  Safe to say, we never see Cargin remotely near a Ulster title foreby a All-Ireland. And no, I ain't from Glen.

Why do you assume I'm from Cargin?? As I've stated before I'm not from Cargin.

Wrong again!! And you can't even dispute one point I made about Sunday's game because I'm correct on all of them. 

The best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday.  Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line.  They were made to look average.

Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards.  I've highlight this before. 

St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.

The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free?? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage???  I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul??

The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.

Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.

And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game.  As cynical as it gets.

Football didn't win yesterday. 

Aw here.

Facts or not?

Delighted to see St Thomas' win it. O'Loughlin Gaels will feel aggrieved about the one that looked over the line but I can't stand simulation and karma bit them in the ass, that was never a red card.

Much to be admired about St Thomas' mentality, physical and mental toughness and endurance over the 2 games, the semi final and final.  But they have some amazing hurlers too, Conor Cooney obviously, the Burke's etc. Those last 2 points of Eanna Burke's were simply magical, worth the admission fee alone.

With Ballyhale missing a few last year O'Loughlin's will see that as a huge missed opportunity. They lack a few forwards and have relied on scores from further out. It's a long way back for them. 

The best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday.  Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line.  They were made to look average.

Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards.  I've highlight this before. 

St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.

The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free?? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage???   I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul??

The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.

Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.

And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game.   As cynical as it gets.

Football didn't win yesterday.   

Not sure if the blow to Doherty's head was as bad as Oso's blow to the head!

Pure popcorn stuff from the mug that goes to a game to watch some other team bate!

Money well spent I hope

I went to the game to watch the game wee man.  I merely wanted one team to win more than the other.

You strike me as the kind of guy who sees the cost of everything and the value in nothing, did your cronies wave you through for free at casement back in the day?

I go to games because I enjoy live sport, not that it's any of yours or crusty the clown's business but in the last fortnight I've been to a Mageean hurling final, 2 Macrory games and an all Ireland club semifinal.  If you can't be arsed going or can't afford to go reserve your own judgement on why others might chose to go.