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Was it agreed last night with the divisions or is it still not confirmed? will the 8 div 1b teams all be SFC or will they be able to play IFC if they choose?

And also, I would think most of the people griping about Kerry and the JFC have got things the wrong way around.

I'd suspect that 90% of county SFCs have a deep lining of deadweight teams that have no more chance of winning their county SFC, than they do of winning this year's Super Bowl.

Certainly that's the case in those I'm most familiar with: Down and Armagh.

In such cases, the clubs in question are at senior level by accident rather than design. They should really be playing IFC.

12 teams max per county in their IFC and SFC I suggest.

Your logic has no place around here..

Seriously though, good points. There's no way somebody can tell me there's 16 teams in any county capable of winning SFC.
So barring a county like Cork with enormous numbers of players and clubs it's hard to make an argument for more than 12 teams in SFC.

Also just to reiterate that virtually everybody in Kerry wants to adjust numbers to have 10-12 clubs in SFC. There's 16 in IFC which I don't agree with but anyway. Croke park are the ones blocking the realignment as they are just ignoring the fact that we aren't getting rid of divisional teams.

theres always gonna be no hopers. Say you that then the 23rd or 24th ranked club will have little or no chance of winning the IFC and so on. West Ham are never gonna win the premier league, Louth ain't winning an all ireland, Waterford arent going to win the tailteann cup.

Exactly, im pretty sure most counties have 2/3 teams that have a serious chance of winning their county championship every year it doesnt mean the rest of the clubs shouldn't bother playing. we get caught up in 'winning' championships. For some clubs competing in their championship is enough. it's all about being realistic. for some senior clubs getting to a county semi final will be seen as a great year for others getting out of a group will be a success. Im sure that would be a bigger success for mid table div 1 clubs rather than dropping down and winning a IFC against teams they superior to

Surely 16 teams div 1/ SFC is too many? what we had wasn't too far off the mark league wise

[Sticking you on a minibus as a kid for however many hours is a totally different level of commitment required from parents]

I'd say there's a lot of people can't be arsed with the travel involved. It's a long journey a couple of times a week from some of the clubs. I've heard of a few people who just wouldn't attend county trials due to the commitment needed.

At the local club I'd say there's a few might be good enough but a load of them play Camogie for the county instead but there's one girl who doesn't play Camogie and she's an outstanding footballer but only one parent drives so she has never been to any trials.

Back in the day, we made our way to Casement, the south Antrim minibus picked us up and we went to Dunloy or Loughgiel and vice versa the county lads got in a bus and headed to Belfast for training

Kids are soft or their parents are nowadays.. probably both

If you were able to put kids on a minibus then it might see more people willing to do it.

If my daughter made it to that level, you're talking a 70 mile round trip to Belfast however many times a week and I've got two other kids who do stuff too. Not only is that expensive but there's nights it just wouldn't be possible when they all have stuff on.

Sticking you on a minibus as a kid for however many hours is a totally different level of commitment required from parents and it doesn't make anyone soft.

Why though? not having a go but parents let their kids that age go on a bus to school on their own, go on a bus for school trips why would this be any different? if anything it would make life a lot easier for parents, if you've a couple of kids you're not worrying about just running 1 here there and everywhere. drop them off and lift them from the bus. Parents really dont need to be standing watching training and tbh if I was a coach id hate a load of parents watching all the time.

Michael Verney has been sending this around without naming the club.

Some overpaid manager trying to justify his existence and cost. The problem with all these things is it usually one of your better player(s) who break the rules. It's never number 27 on the panel. He turns up and togs out every week. You wish he would disappear as he's constantly f**king up drills and dropping balls.
 

insane the way club GAA players are being expected to act as professional, in fact id argue worse than professional. look at Rugby and soccer, lads go for a drink after the game and its no issue sure weren't the Ireland Rugby team having pints during the World Cup. If you've a game on sat or sun, not 1 issue lads going for a few pints after then running it off in training the next week. Need to stop treating players like children.

Would that offer Gort na mona a lifeline or would it possibly promote ardoyne?

You'd like to think that the team coming up would get the chance, I know Ardoyne have been pushing the county to let them go up a div. Chatting to a fella plays for them few weeks ago was saying they are going to Limerick for a junior b comp but they dont know who they play yet so they are clearly serious bout pushing on

I think it would be better as follows

1A - Senior Championship
1B - Intermediate Championship
2A - Junior Championship
2B - Junior B Championship

Winners of leagues get promoted, winners of champs get promoted. Play everyone home and away in the league. Push the leagues to start later with the Championship being a straight knock out. Antrim leagues would be then more reflective of standards in Ulster. Each of those leagues in their own right would be highly competitive.

But realistically we wouldnt be doing that, be uproar if we went from a 12? SFC to 8 (1a) and so on, with that restructure you'd be dropping 4 clubs to IFC then 8 or so from iFC to JFC, couldn't see clubs going for it

Agree with this NorthAntrim. I think the junior B in hurling has been very good and with the new teams etc in division 3 football it would give some of them a chance to win silverware which would be great for them.

3 divisions is probably not enough regardless of the size of division 1.

16 teams in div 1 is completely inflated.I genuinely cant believe it'll get voted through.
 I think looking at the idea of junior B is a good idea, does seem to work well in hurling in previous years where it fed into the Junior proper.

we currently have 35 clubs (including Ballycastle)

3 divisions of 10 and a division with the other 5 and also invite clubs who wish to put in a 3rd or reserve team in can do so. for example, im sure some div 1 clubs would prefer to play their reserves in div 4 rather than a div 1 reserve.

link the league to championships, league winner goes up along with championship winner, if that is the same team then 2nd bottom in the higher league plays 2nd in lower league to see who goes up/ down.

Stephen O'Neills against Kildare (I Think) out on the line in the corner sells the dummy and swings it over, pure class.

Championship should absolutely be linked to leagues. if you're div 1 league you're playing against better teams and therefore your team are used to playing at a higher standard than those playing in the divisions below, I honestly cant understand how anyone can say a div 1 team are a Junior club

Is Brian any relation to Ciaran McFaul.

Haha, my bad was talking to a fella called Brian on the phone in work as was typing, its a monday! Yes Ciaran 

Can't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.

Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.

Glen did rightly against them obviously and will be desperate to go one better this year and if Kilcoo hit top form again I'd say they have enough about them to stop Mannion and Walsh. 

Mannion isn't coming back from an injury this year. I am just not convinced any other team will be able to beat them, or maybe even get close,  at all though hope I am wrong.

Ciaran McFaul back for Glen is a massive boost, apparently playing some great stuff for them, think he could be what they need to get over the line

Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

So let me get this right. I those counties if you win intermediate you are automatically promoted to senior and to Div1?

If you win Div2 league you automatically get promoted to the senior Championship too?

Of course

No if you win Intermediate in Antrim you play senior championship the next year but do not get promoted

So Antrim is not linked in that case.

Sorry, I thought I explained that. It is linked in that you cannot play down. If you are Division 1 you can't play intermediate or junior. If you are Division 2, you can't play junior. But you can play up. You might have to or you can apply to.

So just to clarify, if in Antrim you are a Junior Club in Div3. You win the Div3 league but you do not win the Junior championship. In this case next year you are in Div2 and also in the intermediate championship?

Not entirely true, St Endas go to the all Ireland intermediate final while playing Div 1

Anybody doing hyrox in Dublin?

https://hyrox.com/

seen a bit bout Hyrox on instagram, is it like CrossFit?

I'm hearing a few names including Chris Hughton n Lee Carsley.  Would take either tbh

is there not talk Carsley been ear marked for the England senior job? couldn't see him taking the irealand job if there's even remotely a chance of getting England job