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Tyrone team to play Meath is the  same as the starting team for theKildare clash  , with Tommy McGuigan , and Philip Jordan, listed on the bench

Excuse my ignorance. I can understand the relevance of you mentioning Jordan being on the bench, but Tommy McGuigan?? Has he left, or rumoured to be leaving the panel?

His first appearance of the year?

Harte has played a blinder on this one. Christ he can manage his players extremely well. Without doubt Jordan pulled the plug on Monday, Harte has gone in and told him to take time to consider that is why nothing official came from the player himself. By naming him in his squad Harte has threw a complete curveball and it will be interesting to see whether or not Jordan is there. I've also heard that Jordan has told Harte that he will not be missing any starred Moy games and he was willing to quit the county if he was forced to do so. Im confused.

Radda Bout Ye-You are welcome!!!

Don't you start provoking me now-I'm enjoying the peace that our new found truce has created.

What the fcuk is a number 7? is it a wing back or some other thing?

Off the top of my head, wing backs from ulster alone in the last ten years that are all round better than jordan, in no particular order...

Sean Kelly
Justin Crozier
Andrew McCann
Aidan O'Rourke
Ciaran McKeever
Gerard O'Kane,
Kevin Cassidy
Ryan McCluskey
Damien Mone

That doesn't make Jordan a bad footballer, his perceived abilities are simply enhanced by how well he fits into a great tyrone team.

Great spot Bensars. Absolutely shows him up for what he is.

Funny as f**k post, good players he quoted but no-one in their right minds would make comparisons between Jordan and the once quoted.

**Bensar's post was removed but included the above post from Duffleking. Try not to laugh too much.

It shouldn't-I believe that the CCC stated that games will go ahead without the underage players and there was to be no hold-ups. Can't source it and open to correction. 

Either the bitterness is blinding you DK or as I'm beginning to think, your grasp on football matters are seriously limited.
For a poor defender I can't think of any games of hand where he was skinned?

The blanket defense is a none issue as I can remember plenty of our defenders getting skinned in games despite the "blanket defense". But not Jordan.

I would actually find it hard to believe anyone could view Jordan as a poor defender. But I suppose opinions are like assholes we've all got one.

Only game I can remember Jordan getting skinned was against Kildare in 2009. The rest of his circa 60 championship games he was in the top 5 performers every game.

Great servant. But if hes gone hes gone.

The King is Dead, Long Live the King.

100% agree, he did have a ropey first half in that game. I think Tyrone all over were not great that day.

We do have a ready made replacement in the making within the club. Eunan Deeney, the 2010 minor number 7 possesses all the qualities of Jordan with one exceptional addition to his repitoire. He is level headed like Philly, great feet also. He is very young yet but I will refer you all back to this post in two/three years time and be very smug when he makes the step up. There is great talent within the county and the retiring of one of past heores should be a time for celebration not sadness.

Im not bitter at all- I was in the City Hotel Grounds on the night of the 2002 homecoming. I enjoyed it immensely, the buckfast was flowing. Were you in Omagh in 2003?

No I was in Armagh welcoming home the defeated Armagh team. Does that make me bitter?

Were you there in 2005 or 2008? 

Im not bitter at all- I was in the City Hotel Grounds on the night of the 2002 homecoming. I enjoyed it immensely, the buckfast was flowing. Were you in Omagh in 2003?

[Will the Armagh team be remembered in 20 years time, no.]

Fact is Marsden had lost it-whatever Gormley said to him he digged him and then Jordan made a charge at the Lurgan man. Did Jordan go down too easily, yes. Was Marsden at fault, yes. Will the Armagh team be remembered in 20 years time, no.

I remember all the All-Ireland winners and runners-up from the last 50 years, any GAA fan worth his salt should at least remember the winners and runners-up from the last 30 years.
Seeing that Armagh won in 2002 and were the runners-up in the first all same province final in 2003, then it's safe to say they'll still be remembered for at least 50 years.

Will they be remembered as a great team? Will they be remembered as a good team?

Tyrone star Philip Jordan will focus on club football for the foreseeable future - but he has not yet formally retired from inter-county football.

Rumours of Jordan's withdrawal from Mickey Harte's panel surfaced earlier this week, a day after his first appearance of the year as a substitute in the Allianz National League win over Kildare.

Harte subsequently dismissed the speculation as internet gossip - but it appears there is no smoke without fire, with Jordan absent from Tyrone training on Tuesday night and county chairman Ciaran MacLochlainn now indicating that the Moy clubman will not feature in the remainder of the National League.



Quoted in the Irish Examiner, he said, "He is going to try and get himself back to match fitness by concentrating on playing club football at the moment. He is a quality player at the end of the day."

www.hoganstand.com/tyrone

Confirmed. Great news-bring the ACL on.

[v poor]

In fairness got a fair few roastings in his time. Excellent attacking wing back, yes. defensively? v poor. Whoever picked Mike McCarthy as a kindred spirit in terms of playacting and unsporting behaviour must me nuts - did they mean O'Mahoney?

Awww now we're just decending into nonsense now. Have to say if Armagh wans were questioning PJ's sportsman ship I'd give them a by ball as I can understand the annoyance from 2003. But anyone trying to questioning PJ's ability I'd have to come to the conclusion that they know Feck all about football.

SS meet Duffleking-Duffleking meet SS.

In fairness got a fair few roastings in his time. Excellent attacking wing back, yes. defensively? v poor. Whoever picked Mike McCarthy as a kindred spirit in terms of playacting and unsporting behaviour must me nuts - did they mean O'Mahoney?

LMAO-post of the year! This should be fun; Who roasted him then? Go on, cheer my morning up.

'faux' infuriation.
Would Saffron Sam catch himself on.  Can you imagine a coaching session dedicated to "Faux infuriation" as you say. 
"Right lads be mean angry and upset for 20 seconds on, then 20 seconds off, I want to see screamin and roarin till failure.  Jeez they must have some mighty training sessions around Glen 3rds.

A poster on this thread asked for a neutral opinion. I gave him mine, backed it up with another example and a third party poster decides to attempt to out me. By that I mean give away my identity, rather than my sexuality.

You know you're winning an argument when the sum of the opponent's argument is "I'm going to out you". rrhf joins a rogue's gallery containing the likes of milltown row2 and bannside who have withered and resorted to such tactics. Although, I have no idea who rrhf thinks I am as I have never played for Glen 3rds. Nor am I likely to. I can only assume the f in his / her handle is short for fool. Or fcukwit.

I also think it's fair to assume that Glen 3rds rarely, if ever, trained. In fact iirc Paddy Heaney did an article in the Irish News describing how their manager would buy a carry out for the man of the match each week. But what you can be sure of is that at meeting before big 3rds matches that team would have been coached to attempt to influence the referee - in the same way that every team playing this weekend (including Tyrone) will be coached to influence / con the referee. If rrhf doesn't realise or understand this then he / she clearly has no understanding of how the game is played. Tyrone didn't become the second best team of the last decade by sticking to the rules of Gaelic football; they bent and manipulated them to gain an advantage.

One thing that Mickey Harte's Tyrone team has is almost absolute discipline, excluding Kevin Hughes's aberration against Derry in 2006 and Ryan McMenamin every time he crossed the white line. In a extremely disciplined team, Philip Jordan is an extremely disciplined player. There is no way that whatever happened prior to the Marsden / Jordan incident was serious enough to warrant such a reaction from the Moy ace.

My opinion (which as a neutral, Fuzzman asked for in the first place) remains that Jordan's involvement in the Marsden incident was solely an attempt to get an opponent sent off and that such tactics were / are coached by the Tyrone management. No amount of veiled threats by rrhf and his / her ilk to make my real name and club known will change that opinion. It also remains my opinion that such tactics are an intrinsic part of Gaelic football at all levels. It also remains my opinion that Jordan's career can't and shouldn't be defined or overshadowed by this single incident - he wouldn't hold a candle to, for example, Johnny McGurk in terms of wing half back skulduggery.

Cant argue with any of that.

Has anyone here been coached on how to get an opponent sent off?

Fact is Marsden had lost it-whatever Gormley said to him he digged him and then Jordan made a charge at the Lurgan man. Did Jordan go down too easily, yes. Was Marsden at fault, yes. Will the Armagh team be remembered in 20 years time, no.

It failed on the final test, the stress test.
I thought it should have got through, it would have been its second pass in two years. Quite remarkable for a car which is not that impressive.
Yeah definitely pre-meditated-that examiner is a tra*p and a cheat and I will always remember him as such.