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#16
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?
#17
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 04, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.

I just think to call athletes dopers, of any kind, isn't really on to be honest unless you have concrete evidence that they are in fact doped. I know in your post you mention hard work as well, but by calling them doped you are taking away all credit from them for anything they have achieved over the last few years.

The figures and graphs bandied about, like the latest article yesterday that talk about Dublin getting 16 million over the last 10 yrs and Tyrone only getting 560k. just aren't accurate and they have been debunked before and all come from the same source. Without doubt Dublin have money behind them but so do some of their competitors like Kerry and Tyrone. Even in the hurling, this years winners are bankrolled by a multi millionaire.

Take players from any of the top few inter county teams in football and hurling:
They all work with S&C specialists
They all work with Sports Psychologists
They all have access to Physio's and medical experts on tap
They all have backroom teams of approx 30 people give or take a couple
They all train in top facilities (Currans Centre, Garvaghey etc.)
They all get free cars
They all get free Holidays / Go on training camps
They all have underage coaching structures in place (some got them together later than others). See quote below from Tomas O'Se from the weekend
"You have to give a lot of credit to the structures they have within the county...Donal Daly organised everything. He has coaches under him who coach the coaches within the clubs, They have structures then for academy players, they start at under-14 level. They bring them through, they're giving the expertise that they have to them,"
They all work or study and train only in their spare time

Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team have got over their closest rivals due to an injection of massive amounts of money?
What are they getting out of this money that Kerry for example do not have?
#18
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
January 30, 2018, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 30, 2018, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
I would be no fan of Ewan MacKenna but the abuse he is getting on-line from the Dublin Zealots is ridiculous.

Anyhow between MacKenna, Colm O'Rourke, Off The Ball and now the more subtle Malachy Clerkin (2 of his most recent articles in the Irish Times have been about the amount of inter-county players not based in their home counties (Dublin Footballers and Galway Hurlers had none) and the home advantage that Croke Park gives Dublin) there is a bit more focus on the financial doping of Dublin. Still can't believe one of the zealots argued that playing at home is a disadvantage to Dublin because teams are more up for it  ::)

Ewan was pulled up by Dublin fans for liking a tweet from a Kildare supporter was gloating about Jonny Cooper been stabbed years ago.

I have often liked by mistake a tweet on twitter, it happens as you scroll through but if "pulling up" is a euphemism  for abuse then this is only one of many such incidents, Ewan is no angel but he has stirred debate on financial doping, drugs in sport, rugby and it's status in Irish sport, the real cost of hosting large sports events, that has to be welcomed. I am not defending him he can do that himself but I do not like seeing bullying and abuse on-line.

Ewan has engaged in a lot of online bullying, in the past few months on twitter he has called people c*nts, made jokey comments about peoples physical appearance and even when a young lady ( possibly a teenager to be honest) disagreed with him over a sporting tweet he made, he replied and told her to "go and put some clothes on" as she was showing a bit of bare arm in her profile pic. In these situations he has been the instigator as well.
#19
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 21, 2017, 10:29:17 AM
I'm saying that the numbers in the image are incorrect and deceiving, I think we can both agree on that now?

I don't agree that per registered player is a fairly decent way of measuring the money. If a coach goes to a school in Dublin and spends an hour with a class of 30 pupils, going by participation rates you could be looking at 2-3 kids that are registered with their GAA club and over 25 that are not. Yes, it is the same in other counties, but to a lesser extent and with the higher number of schools in Dublin this makes the number of non registered kids receiving coaching in proportion to registered much higher. In the below graphic from 2015 you can see there are 98,906 registered GAA members between age 8 - 12 but there are 707,973 primary school pupils nationally.

I don't think the imbalance is anywhere near as major as it is being portrayed as being in most quarters. Looking at the numbers attending Cul Camps throughout the country from the below graphic, there is obviously decent levels of funding there in other counties as well. Even on a per registered player status, proportionately there are still much higher numbers attending Cul Camps in Tipperary, Cork, Galway etc than there are in Dublin.

#20
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 21, 2017, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 20, 2017, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 20, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
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There are 2 major issues I can see with the development money received per registered player figures, which render them completely inaccurate.

1. The figures only cover development funding paid from the Central Council directly to the counties. Dublin receive most of their dev funds this way whereas the other counties receive the bulk of their games dev funding from their provincial councils. For example in 2015, Connacht received 796k, Munster almost 1.2m, Leinster 1.7m and Ulster 1.27m.

According to the figures on the image, this 5 million distributed by provincial councils is assumed to have disappeared down a black hole. Due to this 5 million not being accounted for, every figure shown on the map is incorrect, and that is a fact.

How a professional journalist can repeatedly reference these figures, which he knows do not cover all of the money distributed is beyond me, although in this case I think the agenda of the journalist is pretty clear.

2. It is illogical to divide the funding received by the no. of Registered GAA players in the county. The funding is not just used to coach already registered players.  For example it funds Cul Camps which are held for 6-13 yr old's and coaching in primary schools. I think it is safe to assume that a lot of these kids are not registered GAA players and some schools that coaches are sent to would in fact have very little registered GAA players.

The only reason I can see for this calculation is to push the numbers up for Dublin. If funding was divided by population or number of juveniles (registered and unregistered) that benefited from the funding then Dublin's amount per head would be reduced significantly.

Dublin also receive development funds from the provincial council.

Yes but they get majority of it directly from central council, where as other counties get their majority from provincial council. So as the figures on the image only cover funds direct from central council what we are seeing is the comparison of a majority of Dublin's funding against a minority of the 31 other counties funding.

Then this is skewed further by dividing by registered players which doesn't really make sense.
#21
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 20, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
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There are 2 major issues I can see with the development money received per registered player figures, which render them completely inaccurate.

1. The figures only cover development funding paid from the Central Council directly to the counties. Dublin receive most of their dev funds this way whereas the other counties receive the bulk of their games dev funding from their provincial councils. For example in 2015, Connacht received 796k, Munster almost 1.2m, Leinster 1.7m and Ulster 1.27m.

According to the figures on the image, this 5 million distributed by provincial councils is assumed to have disappeared down a black hole. Due to this 5 million not being accounted for, every figure shown on the map is incorrect, and that is a fact.

How a professional journalist can repeatedly reference these figures, which he knows do not cover all of the money distributed is beyond me, although in this case I think the agenda of the journalist is pretty clear.

2. It is illogical to divide the funding received by the no. of Registered GAA players in the county. The funding is not just used to coach already registered players.  For example it funds Cul Camps which are held for 6-13 yr old's and coaching in primary schools. I think it is safe to assume that a lot of these kids are not registered GAA players and some schools that coaches are sent to would in fact have very little registered GAA players.

The only reason I can see for this calculation is to push the numbers up for Dublin. If funding was divided by population or number of juveniles (registered and unregistered) that benefited from the funding then Dublin's amount per head would be reduced significantly.