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#16
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 09, 2024, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 09, 2024, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 09, 2024, 11:15:00 AMTankie logic about Putin and Nato goes like, the burglar broke into the house because the owner provoked them by wanting to install an alarm system. What did they expect the reaction to be? It's the owner and the alarm company's fault.
There was never going to be any burglaries, until they started putting security in.

Correct. The burglar overheard the owner saying they were getting new security installed so they thought they'd better move fast.

Though in this case the burglar actually intends to become a squatter, wreck the house as well as stealing all possessions, rape the owner's family, take a sh*t in every room and kidnap the owner's children. And tell them it's for their own good.

And the other neighbouring houses now installing home security measures are completely overreacting and only provoking a peaceful and friendly burglar.

#17
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 09, 2024, 11:15:00 AM
Tankie logic about Putin and Nato goes like, the burglar broke into the house because the owner provoked them by wanting to install an alarm system. What did they expect the reaction to be? It's the owner and the alarm company's fault.
There was never going to be any burglaries, until they started putting security in.

#19
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 05, 2024, 01:59:07 PM
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 05, 2024, 01:03:26 PMBeing anti-US foreign policy doesn't make John Pilger a Putin stooge, excusing Putin's war crimes in Syria, Ukraine or wherever make him a Putin stooge or apologist would be a better word.

Guys like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky lost the plot somewhere along the way - everything has to fit into their anti-West viewpoint.
John Waters, Gemma O'Doherty and Ewan MacKenna are similar.
#20
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 05, 2024, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 05, 2024, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 05, 2024, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 09:40:09 AMBetter in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.
Better? Castrating and raping must be the better ones in your eyes.
Remind me how much Iraqi territory the USA managed to capture as their 51st state then?
 
No doubt you think that Assad and Putin are the good guys in Syria, because you do your own research, avoid the MSN.



I take your castrating/raping and I raise you Vietnam (raping and murder) and an illegal war started in Iraq with the lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction with 100's of thousands dead

Have a read of this Uncle Tom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

4.5m deaths following 9/11 caused by the USA, 1m directly and 3.5m indirectly. I don't have figures on how many US soliders raped and castrated to hand but judging by what they were at in the guantanamo and abu ghraib I would be fairly confident their soldiers would be at pretty much the same horrors that the Russians are at.

The difference here is you think USA good, Russia Bad. I think USA Bad, Russia Bad. You need to open your eyes my friend.

And how does this make it right for Pilger to be a Putin stooge?


I was defending his right to be Anti NATO and Anti US, you took umbrage with that. If being Anti US and Anti NATO make you a Putin Stooge than I suppose I must be a Putin Stooge too.
He can hold whatever views he wants, but a journalist should be objective.
If he whitewashes genocide like Srebrenica because it was carried out by a group he favours, then that is dangerous.

#21
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 05, 2024, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 05, 2024, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 09:40:09 AMBetter in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.
Better? Castrating and raping must be the better ones in your eyes.
Remind me how much Iraqi territory the USA managed to capture as their 51st state then?
 
No doubt you think that Assad and Putin are the good guys in Syria, because you do your own research, avoid the MSN.



I take your castrating/raping and I raise you Vietnam (raping and murder) and an illegal war started in Iraq with the lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction with 100's of thousands dead

Have a read of this Uncle Tom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

4.5m deaths following 9/11 caused by the USA, 1m directly and 3.5m indirectly. I don't have figures on how many US soliders raped and castrated to hand but judging by what they were at in the guantanamo and abu ghraib I would be fairly confident their soldiers would be at pretty much the same horrors that the Russians are at.

The difference here is you think USA good, Russia Bad. I think USA Bad, Russia Bad. You need to open your eyes my friend.

And how does this make it right for Pilger to be a Putin stooge?
#22
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 05, 2024, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 09:40:09 AMBetter in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.
Better? Castrating and raping must be the better ones in your eyes.
Remind me how much Iraqi territory the USA managed to capture as their 51st state then?
 
No doubt you think that Assad and Putin are the good guys in Syria, because you do your own research, avoid the MSN.

#23
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 05, 2024, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2024, 09:34:06 AMThe thing I noticed when Pilger died was there weren't many gushing tributes on twitter. John Simpson of C4 news gave a very cold factual one I found a bit odd tbh, Piers Morgan gave a good one (because he worked with him at the Mirror). But I was expecting a love in.

This one here is the first to actually stick their head above the parapet and say what they really think I reckon. Its an opinion piece, but every one has their blindspots & niaivities.

Some more clues here.

https://twitter.com/fergalrte/status/1741874308258099213

#24
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 05, 2024, 09:36:36 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 08:02:03 AM
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 04, 2024, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 04, 2024, 01:57:56 PMAs an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/

Pilger is like many others, they appear normal at the start. When they're championing right-on, left wing causes they get a free pass.

They eventually implode into anti-Western, anti-US, anti-NATO madness. They'll back any regime with the same goals.

A few months back, Pilger was praising a pro-Putin article by Chay Bowes. That's how far he had plummeted.


Well maybe it is right to be Anti US, Anti NATO etc - if you hadn't noticed they seem to be the ones starting most wars and lying about them to us. Are they any better really than Putin?

Depends what "better" means. If the US sweeps into Mexico, captures 20% of it's territory, rapes, ethnic cleanses, captures Mexican children and sends them to be re-educated by USA parents, it would be "equal" to Putin at least.

Pilger clearly lost any moral compass when he started downplaying stuff like Srebrenica, purely because the enemy of his enemy was his friend.

But listen, alternative voice, fascinating views, thought provoking, doing your own research etc.
The idiots idea of a smart guy.
#25
General discussion / Re: Noam Chomsky etc
January 04, 2024, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 04, 2024, 01:57:56 PMAs an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/

Pilger is like many others, they appear normal at the start. When they're championing right-on, left wing causes they get a free pass.

They eventually implode into anti-Western, anti-US, anti-NATO madness. They'll back any regime with the same goals.

A few months back, Pilger was praising a pro-Putin article by Chay Bowes. That's how far he had plummeted.
#27
General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
December 18, 2023, 06:43:01 PM
Classic attention seeking from the ref. He realised he wouldn't be a talking point, so had to fix that.
#29
General discussion / Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
October 20, 2023, 11:01:02 PM
He's the best example of how supreme self-confidence over ability can bring you a long way in life.
I know a couple of people who worked on the early Dublin summits. They couldn't believe it ever took off, as it was a shit show. He left loads of people unpaid too.

Interesting that barely anyone is sticking up for him. Too many bridges burned.
#30
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
October 20, 2023, 09:34:33 PM
Last week's game were the WC semi finals. This is a challenge match.