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[Briefly Proposal 1...U14/16/18 will all begin end Feb/beginning of March. Fixtures will run U14/18 one week and U16 the next and finish in September. Plenty of matches for underage footballers.]

Proposal is for senior football to start on March 29th with Reserves to move to a stand alone fixture on a Monday night on a Regional basis.
I can see the positives of moving Reserve football to a stand alone fixture but not sure if Monday is the best option for it to work. Maybe a Friday instead as it would better suit students and men working away a lot better.

The proposal on youth football is U14 and U18 to start on February 22nd with U16 starting a week later. I can't see this working at all, especially for smaller clubs who have U14's playing U16 and U16 playing U18.

Was there not similar proposal put forward and defeated last year?

I would think the lads would rather be playing twice a week than training. However it does not leave much room for coaching sessions.
At the moment the gap between ending u-14s (June) and starting u16's (the following August) is too large and that 14 month gap could lead to a lot of drop out of players who are not able to play a grade above themselves.

Something has to be done about the delay of u16 until August because of minors which is in turn delayed by County u-17's and u-20's.

Someone mentioned earlier about a meeting to take place last night. Any update

Yes, meeting took place. Proposals were put forward to clubs, they are to go back to clubs to discuss and meeting will reconvene next Tuesday.

Briefly Proposal 1...U14/16/18 will all begin end Feb/beginning of March. Fixtures will run U14/18 one week and U16 the next and finish in September. Plenty of matches for underage footballers.

Proposal 2...Reserve football will decouple with senior football. There will be 2 regions (east/west) which will be split into 3 divisions. Start end of March and will run weekly and uninterrupted until end of June. Championship then starts finishing at beginning of August. These matches are proposed to be held on Monday evenings throughout the summer.

Proposal 3...Adult football will go to 4 divisions in 2021. (1A, 1B, 2, 3) 12 in each division, play home and away (22 matches). Matches with county players playing worth 4 points for a win, without county players worth 2 points for a win. The reasoning behind the third proposal is to do with upcoming changes at national level. We are looking at county football only from 2021 during May, June, July, August. This plan allows club football to continue during these months without county players. Championship football will remain as is with 16 teams in senior, intermediate and junior.

IMO these are positive changes from CCC, far from perfect but I don't think perfect exists. Last night proved that not everyone will be happy, we had people asking about were handball fits into the system, how reserve players that fly back to play matches will fit in etc. Reserve football is dying a death, the vast majority were happy with the new prosposed system, just not on a Monday night (but what night/day suits?). Proposal 3 is another must or we end up playing a cluster of matches in April and then virtually nothing until August, basically how we are now, if that continues we may as well kiss the club game goodbye.

Don't see the youth proposal working out at all. Take a 15/16 yr old who is on a county panel, if they are good enough to make a county panel then their club will probably also depend on them to play minor club football as well as their u16 club football.
Are they expected to train and play with the county whilst also training and playing with their clubs u16 and u18 teams.

A few years ago the main concern was player burnout, now the main concern is fixtures and they're forgetting about player burnout.

Time to do away with the development squads.  They offer nothing to the clubs.

McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

I see on the Castlederg facebook they have appointed Kevin McCrystal (Carrickmore) as manager, with Damien McCafferty (Errigal Ciaran) as trainer and Niall Owens (Beragh) involved also.

Not sure I've heard their names before. Have they been involved with any other clubs previously??

Is this a joke?  If not, surely Castlederg are not paying for this set-up?

Interesting comment coming from one of his own clubmen. Thought it a strange one myself as I have never heard tell of either of the three men in terms of managing a senior club before.
Apart from being involved with Tyrone ladies and a short stint with Derrytresk does he have any experience of managing within Carrickmore?

Don't get me wrong,  Kevin is a grand fella but he can be a bit ignorant.  No doubt there will be fall outs with him involved.  Not sure on his footballing brain.  He wouldn't come to mind as someone I would have thought would be appointed to a senior club managers post in Tyrone.  His experience at this level either playing or management would be little.  Don't know who Damien McCafferty is but if the Niall Owens fella is the fella I am thinking off then I can't honestly see what he could bring to the table.  I remember him at school and his footballing knowledge would be zero.  Maybe he has learned something in the mean time. Its strange appointment to me but maybe I am the person that knows nothing. 

I see on the Castlederg facebook they have appointed Kevin McCrystal (Carrickmore) as manager, with Damien McCafferty (Errigal Ciaran) as trainer and Niall Owens (Beragh) involved also.

Not sure I've heard their names before. Have they been involved with any other clubs previously??

Is this a joke?  If not, surely Castlederg are not paying for this set-up?

[Not a chance, wouldnt make it on any team in the top 8 or 9. Carmen can keepem]

Why would they not have been favoured?
They won the minor championship and league at the same age group and so many of them have senior experience.
I would have been disappointed had we not won it.

Who are the ones who have a lot of senior experience? Excluding Monroe & Daly, I can't think of any more really?

Sean Donnelly, Ruairi Slane, and Tiarnan Murray all have a lot of senior experience although Wee Roddy didn't mention the words a lot.  James McGurk, Rory Donnelly, Lorcan McBride, Ciaran Cuddy, Oran Mckee, Conor Loughran have all got senior football at some stage this past couple of years.

Talk sense, most of them lads haven't played 60 minutes. Tiarnan Murray probably the most experience in that list. Should Carrickmore not be giving these men more chances in the seniors and maybe build a bit of consistency in the league

7 of them have played more than 60 minutes.  You keep to your intermediate football. We seen the standard that is when quite a few of starters from Galbally met us in the u21s.  A new county player limping off after 20 minutes holding his hamstring after getting a roasting by a 17 year old cub.  Then reappeared for the second half with his hamstring mended.  Quite embarrassing.

The same 17 year old cub probably won't get a crack at the whip because the over 40s on your team refuse to move on, and nobody has the balls to drop them because they won an all ireland or two 10-15 years ago.

Oh, don't you worry, the 17 year cub will be getting crack at it.  We can rebuild without dropping to intermediate football.

there will be some craic on here when yous play in the league and them two men get to mark each other again 

as for the comment about the over 40s... I would dare to say that gormley and penrose would start for a majority of D1 teams, im guessing a lot of people on here would agree

Not a chance, wouldnt make it on any team in the top 8 or 9. Carmen can keepem

Disagree here, maybe top 2/3 teams but Penrose and Gormley would still get on a majority of teams, Outside of Murray then Gormley and Penrose are Carmens 2 most influencial players maybe with Mickey Donaghy also, we all seen that in there championship games this season, Penrose was a level above everyone in the Edendork game except maybe McCurry who hit a bagful, without those 2 men then Carmen would be in a dog fight to stay up! Personally id love to see them play their young fella to end the argument, don't get me wrong, great young players but just not near ready yet for senior football, experience is massive at the highest level

Totally agree.. however Division one this year may see several teams fielding young(ish) sides - Galbally, Loughmacrory, Carmen, killyclogher, Dromore

If this had of come from someone from a club that played senior football this year I might have took heed.  I fear Galbally is in for a rude awakening this year.

I thought Carrickmore deserved their win although Dungannon never showed on the day and were missing two senior players Oran Mallon and Naoise Martin. Two evenly matched teams who should both be in the mix again next year, hopefully run off before black eye friday 2020.

Carrickmore where missing 2 senior players in Tiarnan Murray and Oran McKee plus their County u20 from last year wasn't fit to play the second half due illness.  Someone telling me on Saturday night that only 2 of our starting team on Saturday is over age next year.

Why would they not have been favoured?
They won the minor championship and league at the same age group and so many of them have senior experience.
I would have been disappointed had we not won it.

Who are the ones who have a lot of senior experience? Excluding Monroe & Daly, I can't think of any more really?

Sean Donnelly, Ruairi Slane, and Tiarnan Murray all have a lot of senior experience although Wee Roddy didn't mention the words a lot.  James McGurk, Rory Donnelly, Lorcan McBride, Ciaran Cuddy, Oran Mckee, Conor Loughran have all got senior football at some stage this past couple of years.

Talk sense, most of them lads haven't played 60 minutes. Tiarnan Murray probably the most experience in that list. Should Carrickmore not be giving these men more chances in the seniors and maybe build a bit of consistency in the league

7 of them have played more than 60 minutes.  You keep to your intermediate football. We seen the standard that is when quite a few of starters from Galbally met us in the u21s.  A new county player limping off after 20 minutes holding his hamstring after getting a roasting by a 17 year old cub.  Then reappeared for the second half with his hamstring mended.  Quite embarrassing.

The same 17 year old cub probably won't get a crack at the whip because the over 40s on your team refuse to move on, and nobody has the balls to drop them because they won an all ireland or two 10-15 years ago.

Oh, don't you worry, the 17 year cub will be getting crack at it.  We can rebuild without dropping to intermediate football.

Why would they not have been favoured?
They won the minor championship and league at the same age group and so many of them have senior experience.
I would have been disappointed had we not won it.

Who are the ones who have a lot of senior experience? Excluding Monroe & Daly, I can't think of any more really?

Sean Donnelly, Ruairi Slane, and Tiarnan Murray all have a lot of senior experience although Wee Roddy didn't mention the words a lot.  James McGurk, Rory Donnelly, Lorcan McBride, Ciaran Cuddy, Oran Mckee, Conor Loughran have all got senior football at some stage this past couple of years.

Talk sense, most of them lads haven't played 60 minutes. Tiarnan Murray probably the most experience in that list. Should Carrickmore not be giving these men more chances in the seniors and maybe build a bit of consistency in the league

7 of them have played more than 60 minutes.  You keep to your intermediate football. We seen the standard that is when quite a few of starters from Galbally met us in the u21s.  A new county player limping off after 20 minutes holding his hamstring after getting a roasting by a 17 year old cub.  Then reappeared for the second half with his hamstring mended.  Quite embarrassing.

[with 6 Tyrone U20s]

A note of congratulations to Newtonstewart yesterday for hosting the U21 final. Pitch was in great shape for the conditions that was in it! Another title for that group of players- u13, og sport, u16 double, minor double and U21 championship.. hopefully delivering the big one in the not too distant future

Clearly a quality group of players coming through at Carmen. That was a very heavily fancied clarkes team with 6  Tyrone U20s? Were they all playing? I know McKearney is injured and may need an operation?

I think that says more about the Tyrone u20 management than it does about the Dungannon u21s #clueless

Why would they not have been favoured?
They won the minor championship and league at the same age group and so many of them have senior experience.
I would have been disappointed had we not won it.

Who are the ones who have a lot of senior experience? Excluding Monroe & Daly, I can't think of any more really?

Sean Donnelly, Ruairi Slane, and Tiarnan Murray all have a lot of senior experience although Wee Roddy didn't mention the words a lot.  James McGurk, Rory Donnelly, Lorcan McBride, Ciaran Cuddy, Oran Mckee, Conor Loughran have all got senior football at some stage this past couple of years.

Why would they not have been favoured?
They won the minor championship and league at the same age group and so many of them have senior experience.
I would have been disappointed had we not won it.

Totally agree with Wee Roddy here although he didn't mention that the same team won the u16 league and championship double also. 

[1988 Castlederg 1-5 Carrickmore 0-8Replay 1-5 1-4]

93 & 94 Dungannon
98 & 08 Ardboe
01 Clonoe
02 Killeeshil
05 & 07 Errigal
11 Naomh Mhuire
12 & 13 Ardboe
14 & 15 Moortown

Good man. Did you have the complete list somewhere. I couldn't find it so had started it here?
Can you go on back a bit also?

The full list was in Joe Martin's updated book in 2004

1943 Coalisland 2-6 Omagh 3-5
Coalisland won on appeal.
1944-45 No Competitions
1946 Omagh 1-3 Brackaville 0-2
1947 Omagh 2-4 Brackaville 0-3
1948 Strabane 1-7 Clonoe 1-6
1949 Omagh 1-7 Clonoe 2-3
1950 Coalisland 5-1 Beragh 1-5
1951 Ardboe 3-6 Omagh 2-4
1952 Coalisland 3-11 Beragh 0-4
1953 Cookstown 2-5 Omagh 2-5
Replay 1-10 2-1
1954 Clonoe 2-3 Omagh 1-3
1955 Clonoe 3-7 Clogher 2-3
1956 Carrickmore 2-1 Dungannon 1-3
1957 Carrickmore 3-6 Ardboe 0-3
1958 Ardboe 0-9 Dromore 1-1
1959 Urney 2-5 Ardboe 1-7
1960 Ardboe 3-6 Fintona 1-4
1961 Coalisland 2-10 Dromore 4-3
1962 Dungannon 2-11 Dromore 1-4
1963 Dungannon 4-10 Leckpatrick 1-4
1964 Leckpatrick 1-8 Carrickmore 1-1
1965 Omagh 2-10 Derrylaughan 0-5
1966 Dungannon 1-9 Leckpatrick 0-4
1967 Donaghmore 1-9 Trillick 2-5
1968 Trillick 3-13 Clonoe 1-1
1969 Trillick 3-10 Coalisland 2-6
1970 Omagh 2-10 Killeeshil 0-1
1971 Omagh 2-7 Augher 0-6
1972 Carrickmore 3-6 Coalisland 1-8
1973 Dungannon 1-8 Pomeroy 1-5
1974 Augher 3-13 Dromore 2-4
1975 Dromore 3-5 Coalisland 1-3
1976 Dungannon 1-10 Killyclogher 2-5
1977 Derrylaughan 2-8 Killyclogher 2-2
1978 Augher 1-7 Derrylaughan 1-6
1979 Clann Éireann 0-9 Ballygawley 0-6
1980 Dungannon 3-8 Drumquin 0-3
1981 Killyclogher 4-4 Moy 1-4
1982 Coalisland 3-6 Dungannon 0-5
1983 Omagh 3-7 Dromore 1-7
1984 Dungannon 0-9 Omagh 1-5
1985 Coalisland 0-14 Omagh 4-2
Replay 2-6 2-2
1986 Shamrocks1 3-4 Castlederg 0-4
1987 Eglish 0-10 Carrickmore 0-7
1988 Castlederg 1-5 Carrickmore 0-8
Replay 1-5 1-4
1989 Dungannon 2-9 Carrickmore 0-8
1990 Moortown 0-11 Coalisland 1-4
1991 Coalisland 2-7 Ardboe 0-2
1992 Dromore 0-4 Ardboe 0-2
1993 Dungannon 0-8 Omagh 0-6
1994 Dungannon 1-14 Strabane 1-7
1995 Coalisland 1-11 Dromore 1-10
1996 Eglish 1-5 Coalisland 0-3
1997 Eglish 3-7 Coalisland 1-9
1998 Ardboe 2-12 Clonoe 1-10
1999 Errigal Ciarán 4-12 Cookstown 2-10
2000 Coalisland 1-13 Dromore 3-6
2001 Clonoe 1-8 Cookstown 0-8
2002 Killeeshil 0-7 Cappagh 0-7
Replay 1-11 0-14 2nd Replay 2-9 0-12
2003 Cookstown 1-12 Carrickmore 0-9

I remember that final replay well.  Castledergs Winning point was actually wide.  Big Catterson was the man man for Castlederg.  Think he then transferred to Drumquin in later years.

have been in the pits of despair after the county final 2 weeks ago because we were fully aware that this overrated and still unproven ballygawley team have not warranted the hype. 

This may change in the years ahead but it remains to be seen.  Thankfully the arrogant bunch have been brought down a peg or two with their pitiful performance yesterday. 

They'll probably reply to this when they hammer everyone to win the league on new years day after sticking to the iced lemon water all Christmas. 

Better get the cheque book out again because they haven't won a county title with a club man in charge for 13 years and counting!!!!

good to have you back. Some win for your u21's.
Errigal are filled with hot air

Grade 2 u21 championship for a club steeped in tradition like coalisland marvellous achievement. Just good to see white bap behaved himself in this u21 final.

I think its a joke the a big club like Coalisland play in Grade 2 at underage especially when they go and win it.  Surely they would be good enough to compete at grade 1 but obviously winning a title is more important to the club.  If my memory serves me correct this same team was winning minor underage titles at grade 2 so winning this was hardly a surprise to them.  Errigal do the same.  I see there u16 are playing grade 2 and a few years back there u14s won the Feile at Grade 2.  Certain large clubs shouldn't be allowed to operate this way. 

[Long story short, McHughs a **** and gave Edendork nothing all night.]

Edendork played all the football, after going 6 down the 6 points without reply was probably the best 10 minute spell a team has ever had. Just didn't have it in them (experience) to hold out the game. Even when Carmen got the second goal it didn't seem like they were going to win. Edendorks whole back line is suspect except Conor Mallon.

Also, timer wasn't working on the score board (which is a complete joke for a county ground) but I timed it, Ref announced 4 added minutes on 30:35 and Carrickmore equalized on the 31st. The Carrickmore free to win it was awarded on 32:20 and was actually kicked at 33:10 and the ref blew full time straight after the free at 33:40. One more attack should've been granted to Edendork.

Long story short, McHughs a **** and gave Edendork nothing all night.

Errigal will make short work of Carmen, bad outfit overall.   

There wasn't much talk on this website after Sludden saved Edendork from Defeat on Friday night by changing the rules to suit by not playing the advantage.  People need to lose their anti Carrickmore glasses and look at games without bias.

Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

Will he even be asked to give his opinion?