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In your epitaph, I think the word unsung could be used without any furthur addendum

Apologies I wasn't trying to be arsey, I just wasn't getting what you were asking for.

All right Sammy, thank you for that. I apologise for my sharp words.

And as I've pointed out several times the late Pope is on record as wanting a return to those times.

The Israel fa have some similar religious belief connected to their game schedules.
Whatever the Pope past or present may say (whatever about the claimed infallabllity) the basic constitution of an organization should be what protects it from anyones political or religious baggage entering the committee room. That's the gist of my viewpoint. If neccessary have it written in stone.
For instance
Whatever a GAA county board may feel about a burning local issue, imo the constitution should prevent it from even discussing the issue  not to mention passing a motion.

[I never said it was sectarian,]

Because only 74% voted against it at the last AGM and 75% is required to change the constitution. It is antiquated, and meaningless (IFA teams have played on Sundays many times, including last week) but I still do not see how it is in any way sectarian.

That explains why it is still there. I asked why was it there in the first place.
I never said it was sectarian, I clearly wrote that it was or looked like a concesssion to a religious sect´s belief.
If that is true then the constitution of the IFA is stuck with the religious views from a bigone age imprinted on its constitution that can be maintained by a 25% vote.

you never mentioned FFA or any other initiatives.
FFA is an IFA venture which is supported by the fans and various cross-community organisations, not sure what you mean by joint venture.

How the feck would I know about the FFA? why would I feckin ask about it if I did not know about it.
"Since 1998 the IFA has worked in partnership with the Northern Ireland Community Relations Council, Sports Council Northern Ireland and Amalgamation of Official Northern Ireland Supporters Clubs to tackle the problems of sectarianism in footbal"
That´s why I wrote joint

Sammy your level of debate in this matter is reduced to acting like a contrary turd, surely you can do better?

Evil Genius.
I did not see any obvious link to the FFA information on the IFA site and I even had a cursory glance at that Grassroots page.
Thanks for pointing that out.
What is the reason for not having football on a Sunday?

WTF are you on about Sammy? all you had to do was point out that the IFA has a seperate scene for dealing with the inclusive non sectarian bit instead of uttering irrelevant reactions.  Is the FFA a joint venture with the IFA or not? 

Are you taking the piss? Have you actually read the GAA's official guide?

Of course I have read it, it is available here
http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_reports/og_part1_jan_2007.pdf
The first few pages outline the mission statement of the GAA. Maybee you read it as a subversive repressive document?

Why would a non-political body have political statements in their constitution?

Who said it should have a political statement? I wrote that it should have a statement that it is non political and non religious.
If I write that it should state that it is non political how do you deduct that I say it should have a political statement?
Non religious
As I see it no football on a Sunday is a concession to the beliefs of a religious sect.

Why would you expect it to be anything else?

No expections, just an opinion.

You referred to exclusive unionist symbols while deliberately ignoring a badge containing a Celtic Cross and Shamrocks.  A clear acknowledgement of Irishness.  As for acknowledgement of catholic/nationalist culture you are missing the point.  You are well aware of the Football For All initiative.

The National Flag of Northern Ireland is rightly or wrongly the Union Flag and the anthem played before international matches is rightly or wrongly National Anthem of UK.....not England.

The Red Hand flag you refer to is recognised by both UEFA and FIFA to represent Northern Ireland in international competition.

http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/countries/association=63/index.html

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=68/teams/index.html

The flag has been accepted by FIFA and Uefa because the IFA proposed it as the flag of NI football.
Their recognition of that Ulster flag does not bestow anything to the flag other than that.

The articles of the IFA ( in complete contrast to the GAA) do not have a "mission statement"  no mention of the value of sport to the peoples cultural identity or the absolute rejection of any political or religious issues inside the association not to mention the basic one of being non sectarian.

Not saying it is any of these things (though sunday football is a glaring issue) but I would expect all these issues to be dealt with in a preamble to the constitution
It is an absolutely mundane uninspiring document.

Of course the GAA  flies the  tricolour and plays AnbF  and not the slightest concession to Unionist culture at games in Ulster.

Is there a lead i can use to connect my ipod to hi-fi speakers? Cheers

Your iPod wouldn't have enough grunt to drive hi fi speakers.
The usual way is to connect to  rca inputs on any amplifier
Cable is single 3.5mm mini jack with 2 rca plugs 

Of course Bertie and SF were competing for seats, but both parties are competing for "hearts and minds" and Bertie clearly judged that being seen by the electorate in Adam's company was potentially more damaging than being seen alongside Paisley.

You have answered your question but your interpretation is questionable.
FF do not welcome Sinn Fein in the south, not now, not in the past. Sinn fein votes eat into FF territory. It's a proven fact. Democracy is the politics of adversity.
Post election scenario whereby SF was the only possible option for coalition, who knows what sacrifices Bertie would have done to stabilise the nation.

It's not a negative that SF did not make progress, way too close to FF, too much focus on a shifting sands policy which aimed at getting FF votes. I'd want something different.

As has been said sit down and work it out, its a process of elimination.

I originally thought it would be a question of logic, but I hoped there would be a shortcut. 

You're hoping against logic 
Identify first that every device and every scart cable is working, then report the results.
There is one cause but a lot of possibilities.

Your TV tuning is out, not the way it was when things were hunky dory.

Scart sockets can get loose. Scart cables can deteriorate. Hotplugging scart cables can blow something important in the devices.

Your Sky box will have an rgb scart output socket but your tv may not have a rgb scart input. Wrong cable being used.

Cheap Scart adapters can lose about 40% of the signal quality as well as shading, ie the 2 or 3 scart signals coming in are crossing over in the  output, you can see shades of one when you watch another.
Even expensive scart adapters which lose only 10% of the signal quality can have severe problems with aspect switching
(widescreen to 4/3)

 

I have just finished "Tarry Flynn". It's uncanny but Tarry's mother is the spittin image of my own.

I have just started  "Why Men don't listen and women can't read maps".
I'm inspired to move to Australia because in that book I read that in a survey conducted anon (no spoofing), men in their 40's have sex on average 78 times a year. Though it doesnt say with what. Maybe I would have put in an extra few q's in that survey.

you can buy a scart extension type thing in power city

I did, and here I am.  I got rid of it (scart extension/splitter) and now plugged the skybox/dvd etc. directly into the telly.  I can now hear the DVD, but can't get the picture, i.e. can hear the DVD but am seeing the skybox pictures.

Most Scart splitters are utter junk.
Sounds like the last device connected to the TV is crossing the signals. The tv has only one scart input. It only deals with what comes through the one scart cable. So the TV, IMO ,is not at fault.
I take it that the dvd player is connected to Skybox and Sky box is connected to the tv ?
How is the dvd reception on the tv when you turn off the sky box?
How is it when you turn off the sky box and connect the  the dvd player directly?
Connect each device seperatly to the tv so they and the scart cables are judged OK and working
As has been said sit down and work it out, its a process of elimination.

I heard snatches of the game on satellite radio which ended as soon as Monaghan scored the second goal.
The goal sounded great though and maybe the fitness levels were better than Down even though they had 2 games already.
Finlay's late point, sublime?
Did Monaghan perform better than what the Down supporters are writing?
Any chance of the game against Derry being televised?
Where will it be played?

BTW, what does RGD mean?

You mean RGB, its a better quality of Scart.

Remember, hot plugging Scart Cables is not a great idea.

Their elligibility or otherwise has not yet been decided. I have studied the FIFA/UEFA regulations inside out and backwards and I can not see any grounds on which they qualify for the RoI. I could declare for Brazil but it wouldn't make me elligible. The fact that the FAI haven't actually played any of them would suggest, that they are (at the very least) dubious about their elligibility

Firstly there's no such team as Ireland (as you already know) and secondly and much more importantly, elligibility for a passport has absoluely no baring on elligibility to play for a country's football team. You have to meet the relevant criteria, as laid down by FIFA, namely be born in the country, live in the country for 5 years or more or have a parent or grandparent from the country

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I see there are over 70 pages of a thread on the subject of defectors on the OWC website. Surely Sammy with that level of debate intensity you would have been aware that there were more that 2 declarees.
An Irish national born in another football juristiction is no impediment to playing for Ireland. If the young lad has been capped at youth level for NI, it is still no impediment but just the FIFA Players' Status Committee will have to rubberstamp the move.
The FIFA rules were tightened up to deal with the Oman's passport for sale to Brazilians.
The exception  is article 15.3
When a player has a choice, FIFA recognise the Youth's intrest first and allow for change until he is capped at A level and under 21 years of age.
I would not put any money on the IFA appeal no matter what the odds were.

Firstly there's no such team as Ireland

No offence meant, just we call it Ireland, passport says Ireland, Minister of Foreign Affairs says I'm a citizen of Ireland.
AFAIA ROI is a discriptive term which in some contexts is used officially to differentiate.

Who are the many, I only know of a couple and none of those have actually played for the RoI.

Well Sammy I did say DECLARED not played.
I suppose I used "many" to describe the selection of 4 declarees on a competitive underage squad, off hand there's O'Connor, Wilson, Gibson and Kane.
That would be over 20% of the squad. I assume that they would have been good enough to make the NI squad. Within a narrow context of competent young talent then 4 is many, there may be more I don't know.

Of course they can, what has that got to do with this discussion?

What's the point of that the two federations can co-exist and compete? Sammy have a refresh on the thread content. My point is that its a total non issue for the 2 federations uniting. If any talented young lad doesn't want to play for NI then it is his civil right to obtain an Irish passport and declare for Ireland.