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Time to face facts. They only people who are opposed to moving from Windsor are the handful of hypocritical bigots on OWC who do not want to share a stadium with anyone of the catholic/irish tradition. Far too much time and space is allocated to these non entities, ffs their leader Mc Allister is on tv more often than Eamonn Holmes. These twats are on ego trips wallowing in their own self importance afforded to them by a media that should really know better. With a new stadium and jettisoning its unionist/loyalist exclusive baggage the IFA might lose a few hundred bigots and gain thousands of new fans potentially

Time for you to face facts.  You talk utter bollox.

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in the same way as Scots, Welsh and English can also be British;

These people are from Britain, they are British, end of story. NI is not part of Britain, it is in union with Britain . Swedes and Danes are Scandinavians, Ireland is union in the EU with these people, but that doesn't make me a Scandinavian.

But it makes you and the Scandanavians European in that context.  Whether you identify with that is a different matter.

The first ever Policeman to be shot in "The Troubles" was shot by Loyalists. I am sure we will hear the ususal excuses from Gwaytofuck.

everytime anything happens in the Nationalist community you are very quick to point things out and lay blame

Seems he's not the only one....

Its universally recognised in International Law because we have f**k all choice otherwise 

Yet most people in the Republic vote for the good friday agreement as a stepping stone to a United Ireland which will happen when there is a nationalist majority.

But I suppose you disagree and think we all vote for it so we can keep the North British?

I would have thought it was more to do with trying to stop people from killing each other? But there you go.

Hands up - credit where credit's due.

Almost unbelievably, the BBC NI news website is leading with the following story:

Kernan steps down as Armagh boss

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/6905552.stm

It looks like somebody in the BBC must have been viewing this thread at some stage.
I can't imagine this being the lead news story otherwise.
Credit where credit's due however - this coverage balances the worthington coverage I originally complained about.

So are you actually giving credit or looking for credit

[paramilatary murals]

On the BBCs programme One they had a survey to see what faces should replace the paramilatary murals on the streets of belfast.

Either Stew and Goath Dobhair Abu are on the wind up or have missed the point of the survey

Above all, who is it that is actually setting off no-warning car bombs in Iraq on a daily basis, or forming the death squads who are slaying thousands in revenge? (Think Iraqi Muslim Sunnis for the former and Iraqi Musim Shiites for the latter).

This is what I can't understand.  How can these insurgants (sp??) carry out revenge attacks for deaths on Muslims by actually killing other Muslims?

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Chris, I am talking about the Red Hand Flag with British Crown superimposed ( you know the one unionists seem to have adopted as some sort of National Flag), the use of the English National Anthem.

Now could you please give me one example of the acknowledgement of catholic/nationalist culture at an international game at Windsor Park?

You referred to exclusive unionist symbols while deliberately ignoring a badge containing a Celtic Cross and Shamrocks.  A clear acknowledgement of Irishness.  As for acknowledgement of catholic/nationalist culture you are missing the point.  You are well aware of the Football For All initiative.

The National Flag of Northern Ireland is rightly or wrongly the Union Flag and the anthem played before international matches is rightly or wrongly National Anthem of UK.....not England.

The Red Hand flag you refer to is recognised by both UEFA and FIFA to represent Northern Ireland in international competition.

http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/countries/association=63/index.html

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=68/teams/index.html

So again please can you explain how IFA use exclusively unionist symbols at International matches?

Tony, could you please answer the question I put to you?

Thanks.

[they use exclusively unionist symbols (flags, anthems etc)]

I support Ireland because the team represents the greatest number of people on this island and uses its own anthem and a flag that respects and signifies equality between the two main traditions on this island.

As I said before, soccer is a global sport and the catholic/nationalists who get involved up here, and particularly those who play for the North of Ireland team deserve all the credit...for tolerating bigotry and discrimination,though I suspect for a professional soccer player, gaining Senior international caps is a good means of raising his profile and marketability. There is no comparison with the GAA.If hardline unionists are so filled with hatred for all things Irish, then there's little more the GAA can do.

The IFA is monocultural, they use exclusively unionist symbols (flags, anthems etc) at the senior international games at Windsor Park,plus sectarian rules debarring Sunday Soccer (thus denying their own member clubs who have sought to play on Sunday) In a divided community using only one section's political symbols is inevitably going to alienate the other section from the team. In short, for the very same reasons that many on OWC claim they cannot join or embrace the GAA, I similarly cannot embrace the North of Ireland team, in its current cofiguration. Now who is being hypocritical.

Please enlighten me how a badge made up of a Celtic Cross and Shamrocks are exclusively unionist.

[The man had worked for years in The Royal and posed not threat to anyone]

An Islamist Extremist is doing lengthy time in Belfast for terrorism as we speak.

That wouldnt be the Jaybe Ofrasio who got locked up because he had a similar email address to a member of Al-Qaida? The man had worked for years in The Royal and posed not threat to anyone, but they still kept him locked up. Things havent changed much in the North, they still lock people up for nothing.

From today's Times

An al-Qaeda leader in Iraq boasted before last week's failed bombings in London and Glasgow that his group was planning to attack British targets and that "those who cure you will kill you", The Times has learnt.

I think the Prison Service allow about £1.30 a day per prisoner for food. The prison dogs are allowed about £7 per day for food. Shows were their priorities lie. Being in prison is meant to be your punishment, they are not meant to punish you on top of that.

Why don't they just feed the prisoners to the dogs?  It would save a fortune.

The 10th July (it wasn't actually the 12th, they mixed up the Julian and Gregorian calendars), 1690, is 'celebrated' annually like it were yesterday, so forgive me if I go back a further day and a half, i.e., all relevant to the present, unfortunately.

You can justify your pre-historic leanings because themuns do it if you like.  As for the 12th.  Enjoy it.  It's a public holiday   The only thing I will be celebrating on the 12th is an Irish win in Dublin

Hardly pre-history when all of the players then are still players now -- wishful thinking on your part, not unusual for the condition. Then what else could be expected from someone whose logic is so flawed, but outlandish inaccuracies.

800 years........move on ffs!

[I read the aim of the GAA quoted and immediately thought of Hitler Youth]

I am not obsessed with Germany.  I read the aim of the GAA quoted and immediately thought of Hitler Youth.  

any chance you crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out from under. or maybe chance a clance in the mirror and go read up on your own history

What history would that be?

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Your equation of Germany and the GAA is symptomatic of your disease: Germany's lebensraum extended will beyond any natural cultural, political or heritage boundaries, whereas, whether you like it or not, Ireland does have 32 counties, bounded by the sea, not all of which are currently under a unitary control, which shared a common language, common traditions, common legal system, etc., long before the first of the English arrived at Bannow Bay in 1169.

My equation of Hitler Youth and the GAA is symptomatic of the Uber Nationalist ideals demonstrated by both organisations.  History of 60/70 years ago has taught us many lessons.  You are unlikely to have learned these if you are still harping back to 800 years ago.

But its me that is obsessed.

The 10th July (it wasn't actually the 12th, they mixed up the Julian and Gregorian calendars), 1690, is 'celebrated' annually like it were yesterday, so forgive me if I go back a further day and a half, i.e., all relevant to the present, unfortunately.

You can justify your pre-historic leanings because themuns do it if you like.  As for the 12th.  Enjoy it.  It's a public holiday   The only thing I will be celebrating on the 12th is an Irish win in Dublin