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[If you consider it satire then, yes, I don't have the same acquaintance to satire as you do.]

Here why don't we have a 32 tier championship so that all the lads that have been bustin their hole all winter get a medal.

Somebody needs to stand up for these weaker counties. Why should the good teams win all the f****** games, the whole system is so completely biased against the bad teams. Every f***** year.....same oul s**** ....the best team wins the all-ireland and all the good treams are getting to semi-finals and shite like that. It's just not fair!!!

So, putting your bizarrely aggressive post to one side - seriously, what do you suggest?

You and satire obviously do not have any more than a passing acquaintance.   

And anyway what's the point of me posting a reply. Sure you will probably just put it one side if you don't like it.

And I did make a suggestion, give everybody a championship of their own. Seems like a logical conclusion to the rationale that we can't have teams taking a bit of a beating from better teams.

Satire? I was fully aware of the point you are making and the manner in which you were making it (Bizarrely using swear words to make the point) . If you consider it satire then, yes, I don't have the same acquaintance to satire as you do.

In a grown up debate though, I'd be interested to hear other peoples suggestions. It's interesting that you won't post your own preferred choice of system as it will get put to one side, even though you are more than happy to ridicule any other suggestions made. (I will give you the benefit of the doubt that your 32 tier championship is indeed satire). If you don't have a preferred system then fair enough.

Well i don't know what your definition of satire is but sure we could just look itup in the dictionary.

Satire definition: the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.

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Here why don't we have a 32 tier championship so that all the lads that have been bustin their hole all winter get a medal.

Somebody needs to stand up for these weaker counties. Why should the good teams win all the f****** games, the whole system is so completely biased against the bad teams. Every f***** year.....same oul s**** ....the best team wins the all-ireland and all the good treams are getting to semi-finals and shite like that. It's just not fair!!!

Are you the Pat Spillane of the board? That pre-planned rant that has no connection to what has been discussed would suggest you are.

Nobody is suggesting we change things to prevent stronger counties winning, it's the opposite in fact, people want the same path to a final for everybody. Rather than the daft situation where Sligo could win an All Ireland playing 5 games while Donegal would need a minimum of 7 or counties getting knocked out of the All Ireland the same weekend one team starts.

Nobody is saying a different competition format will mean teams won't get tanked, the All Ireland hurling semi finalists of last year got tanked yesterday but a different format could provide teams with more meaningful games against teams of similar ability.

I can accept people having different views on what is the best format but how anyone could suggest the current one is is beyond me. The current one is an utter disaster. It's nearly July and we've had 6 months of action in the GAA season and how many notable, memorable, games have we had in either code yet?

No. I'm afraid I don't have as many AI medals as Pat. Or even Indiana for that matter lol.

The Gaa is unique and special because of it's structure of club based on parishes, counties and provinces. You, and others on here, seem to think that it is a complete waste of time and that the entire programme is a 'disaster'.

Well I think it works pretty well, albeit with plenty of problems, but I don't want changes that won't guarantee that the entire ethos of our games won't be lost.

An unintended consequence of the back door has been to dilute the blood and thunder nature of championship matches [in my view] and it has created elites within the game already, to the extent that only one of the three provincial championships is in any way competitive. The premise of creating the back door was to give weaker teams more games in the hope that they would have the chance to improve. I think it has failed abysmally in this respect in that as the years have progressed fewer and fewer teams are making that progress, and in fact the opposite has happened as they are less competitive than ever, and I fail to see how any further moves down that road will resolve that issue.

Whilst I was being [obviously] tongue in cheek earlier, will we see a move to a top 8 in another ten years time if we continue down this road, why stop at a top 16??

It is very easy to set out issues that are prevalent in the current system. but can you, or any of the other proposers of new systems, guarantee that there won't be unforseen negative outcomes of any new structures?

Here why don't we have a 32 tier championship so that all the lads that have been bustin their hole all winter get a medal.

Somebody needs to stand up for these weaker counties. Why should the good teams win all the f****** games, the whole system is so completely biased against the bad teams. Every f***** year.....same oul s**** ....the best team wins the all-ireland and all the good treams are getting to semi-finals and shite like that. It's just not fair!!!

So, putting your bizarrely aggressive post to one side - seriously, what do you suggest?

You and satire obviously do not have any more than a passing acquaintance.   

And anyway what's the point of me posting a reply. Sure you will probably just put it one side if you don't like it.

And I did make a suggestion, give everybody a championship of their own. Seems like a logical conclusion to the rationale that we can't have teams taking a bit of a beating from better teams.

Here why don't we have a 32 tier championship so that all the lads that have been bustin their hole all winter get a medal.

Somebody needs to stand up for these weaker counties. Why should the good teams win all the f****** games, the whole system is so completely biased against the bad teams. Every f***** year.....same oul s**** ....the best team wins the all-ireland and all the good treams are getting to semi-finals and shite like that. It's just not fair!!!

Predicated

[Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill]

I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

When did they all transfer to Mayo?? Right that's it Im joining the MFS campaign right now, unbeatable with that forward line!!

Sorry Rossies.

I'd suggest the one of the things about the proposal that opened this thread is that it's not a radical change. It's still the same 3 competitions, it's still more-or-less the same number of games for every team in Ireland. It's just tweaking the flow.

As I also said at the start of this thread, I despise change for the sake of change. There's nothing knee-jerk in it.

You propose to link league performance to championship entry. You propose to restrict entry to an elite group of teams. And you think this is not radical change?

Do you forsee any possible negative issues with your proposed structures?

Yes,along with Robin Banks, and Rick O'Shea

And Teresa Green

Wasn't there a Sandy Beach too?

Yes there was, knew there was one i was forgetting lol

You were asked what's your preferred structure.
With respect you've responded by running down the so called backdoor, the Champions League, media, posters here who suggest other systems......etc.

You may throw yours up again Rossfan. I've been championing it for a right while now and nobody is taking any notice of me. It has no back door nor Champion's League basis. Neither does it get rid of the provincials or stop teams having a chance of entering the race for Sam.

Well you say that i have run down this that and the other. yet you have, unsolicited by any person in any position of authority in the GAA as far as i can tell, gone to the considerable trouble of entirely revamping the format of the premier competition  in the GAA. If that isn't the biggest criticism of our games and our association that it's possible to make then I don't know what is.

I can see zero rationale for such root and branch change. There is no recognition that such a change might even possibly have any detrimental outcomes. I seems that everything is shit at the minute but everything will be great if we get a radical change.

Airy fairy nonsense.

Are u disagreeing with any of the points I have made?

Well i thought I had answered.

IMO it is people who are constantly seeking change for change sake, and who never seem to acknowledge that the GAA is in quite a good place who are constantly running down our games. Not me. I merely criticise the critics!!

Sure I recognise there are problems in the Gaa but of late on here it just seems to a constant litany of abuse, new rules proposed to address some perceived ill after every game, without any real thought of what the outworkings of that might be. Like the black card was introduced off the back of a rant and subsequent media campaign by Joe Brolly. Lunacy.

From what I can see there is a media driven agenda to change the structure of the championship. The oft quoted champions league structure, or variations thereof, being mooted as feasible alternatives.

Well lets examine how has that worked out. IMO it has made the CL a bigger moneyspinner, more elitist, the group stages aren't worth watching and the qualifying teams are the exact same year after year, and the competitive edge of the competition has largely been eroded until the very latter stages.

Exactly what a championship is not.

The back door has already gone some way down the road to doing the same for gaelic football, I fear that going further down that road will only serve to exacerbate these problems.

So in summary, replacing the championship with a league is the preferred option. Every team will have a load more games. The AI SFC will become the Half Ireland SFC. This will make for loads of more competitive exciting games, all of which will be won by less than a kick of a ball. It will of course also make it a near certainty that more teams will win the AI. Like Carlow. It will also condense the IC season! Crowds will be flocking to the games like never before. There won't be any negative tactics as entertainment becomes the priority of IC managers.

I like it!!

What's your preferred structure then?

Not anything that will reduce the intensity of championship football more than the back door has already done. And that will allow all counties to participate in the AI SFC.

Not some ill-conceived nonsense that makes radical changes to a structure without any clear rationale about what the existing problems are. Or what all the consequences of such changes will be.

Not something that is driven by people who are continually jumping onto any available bandwagon that will give them airtime, and i'm including some prolific posters on this board.

Yes,along with Robin Banks, and Rick O'Shea

And Teresa Green

Well I don't know about wanting Ulster referees but that guy Kinsella is completely useless, thats for certain. He made me think that he was the wee useless guy that got picked last for all the teams and is hell bent on getting his revenge on all the good footballers now.

So in summary, replacing the championship with a league is the preferred option. Every team will have a load more games. The AI SFC will become the Half Ireland SFC. This will make for loads of more competitive exciting games, all of which will be won by less than a kick of a ball. It will of course also make it a near certainty that more teams will win the AI. Like Carlow. It will also condense the IC season! Crowds will be flocking to the games like never before. There won't be any negative tactics as entertainment becomes the priority of IC managers.

I like it!!