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I can't see how anyone thinks Armagh has better players - Hello 4 All Stars? and another 3 All star nominations, and McKernan was clearly robbed of one. Who are all these Armagh players that are better than Dan Gordon, Benny Coulter, Marty Clarke, Danny Hughes, Brendan McVeigh, Kevin McKernan, Conor Garvey, Decky Rooney?

Dan Gordan has been playing full back, Not in same league as brendy donaghy in this position, Benny Coulter, Hughes and Clarke (Who i think is a bit overated) yes would def get onto most teams in the country, McVeigh is of similar ability to Hearty, Kevin McKernan is excellant going forward and would make it onto our half backline Although his defensive capabilities are suspect when playing from 5-7 (Remember he was dropped for a period for down last year mainly because of this) Garvey and Rooney are not better than what we have at our disposal in the backline.
Just my opinion and this hasnt been tainted by a major Down dislikening like many in my county have as i reserve this for our red hand neighbours!!!

I thought the 1991 ulster score of the championship on BBC was a Ray McCarron goal against Cavan in castleblayney.

Think i already pointed out this score was in 1993, seen that eamonn burns score on youtube, absolutely brilliant.

[on saturday night you have one changing room with a management team who have their team playing to a structured game plan, they have possibly the best football trainer in the country, one of the most knowledgable men in the province and a very astute manager. In the other changing room you have a weight lifter and two men who are extremely limited tactically and a manager whose heart cant possibly be in winning no matter what any Armagh man thinks. [/quote]have to admit ur not far wrong with ur opinion on r management, player wise there is very little between the teams. youse have better forwards (at the minute), we have better defenders midfield is even enough. Just shows with down nearly winning ai last year what we could do if we had a decent backroom team. Still think our players will be motivated enough t make it a very close game that could go either way.]

, on saturday night you have one changing room with a management team who have their team playing to a structured game plan, they have possibly the best football trainer in the country, one of the most knowledgable men in the province and a very astute manager. In the other changing room you have a weight lifter and two men who are extremely limited tactically and a manager whose heart cant possibly be in winning no matter what any Armagh man thinks. [/quote]

have to admit ur not far wrong with ur opinion on r management,  player wise there is very little between the teams. youse have better forwards (at the minute), we have better defenders midfield is even enough. Just shows with down nearly winning ai last year what we could do if we had a decent backroom team. Still think our players will be motivated enough t make it a very close game that could go either way.

[i was 10 when this goal was hit. it came of the left boot of ray mc carron from monaghan in 1993 vs cavan.cant find footage of it any wer it was some goal]

i was 10 when this goal was hit. it came of the left boot of ray mc carron from monaghan in 1993 vs cavan.cant find footage of it any wer it was some goal

Yeah this goal is on that championship review video i have of 93. Class goal against Cavan in 1st round. Houlie scored a cupla clinkers that year for Armagh too. Great memories of chanting "HOULIE HOULIE" as an Armagh mad cub!!!

bitve a random 1 and prob not many remember it. Colm corkery against clare 1st round of munster 93. Unbelievable top corner goal, only remember it because have tape of that year and randomly watched it recently. Also a massive point was ronan Clarkes in 2nd half of AI final 02 with the left peg around the 45!!! Class.

[Dyas got MOTM match in the IN this morning and rightly so, he's improving game after game]

I thought Paul Duffy was immense, he is a great outlet and is always an option.  He did make some mistakes in possession, but that's just because he does so much with the ball every time he gets it.

We must have been watching two different games. Yesterday was easily Duffy's worst performance in an Armagh shirt in about two years. He has been one of our better players during this time and I'm sure it'll be a once off but he had a stinker for me.
Dyas got MOTM match in the IN this morning and rightly so, he's improving game after game.
Fair play to McEvoy who was rightly criticised after his last couple of performances but he showed conviction yesterday in coming for a couple of balls that he hadn't done previously.
Frustrating is a word popping up in a number of posts and that's exactly how it was. Some of the errors whilst in possession by some of the Armagh players were unbelievable. We continued pumping high ball into Swift when it was blatantly obvious that it wasn't working. Darren Hughes is a superb footballer but we made him look even better yesterday with some naive play. When we started playing the ball in front of the FF line we started to get some joy and in a way I was glad to see us playing into the breeze because we had to play this way in the second half.
I thought Grugan played better yesterday and linked the play well along with MOR. Malachy Mackin had one of his better games and was unlucky to be taken off when he was.
Stevie was the other Armagh player who was a contender for MOTM and is starting to look a lot sharper.
I hope that there is lot of work done with the ball in hand this week in training as we have to cut out some of the basic errors if we are going to beat Down.

Did nobody else think Dyas gave the ball away a shocking amount of times yesterday? Yes he did a good block 1 time and was in possesion a lot but i still think he is 3rd choice wing back behind duffy and ak. IMO he was nowhere near MOTM  stevey (Who needs to stop drifting out the pitch), Toner, vernon and MOR  were prob Armaghs most effective performers

[The only issue that I would raise is that Kerry are operating 4 tiers of club football unlike the rest of the county. So the Junior teams that represent Kerry are the champions of the 3rd grade of 4 (and therefore almost exactly halfway up the club ladder in Kerry) but play against club who are champions of the 3rd tier of 3 in their county and, as such, are nowhere near as far up their county ladder. I think there's an inherent unfairness there.[/b]Clearly the system has worked well for Kerry football over the years. The emphasis would seem to be on a huge number of matches for each club and player, something a lot of other counties could learn from. Too often players sit idle for long periods throughout the season, it doesn't seem as those you'd have the chance in Kerry.When did the Club championship stop sending the representative to Munster when a Divisional side triumphed in the county championship? If two club sides lose to two divisional sides in the County semi-finals will those two clubs play off for a spot in the Munster Championship?]

The only issue that I would raise is that Kerry are operating 4 tiers of club football unlike the rest of the county. So the Junior teams that represent Kerry are the champions of the 3rd grade of 4 (and therefore almost exactly halfway up the club ladder in Kerry) but play against club who are champions of the 3rd tier of 3 in their county and, as such, are nowhere near as far up their county ladder. I think there's an inherent unfairness there.[/b]
Clearly the system has worked well for Kerry football over the years. The emphasis would seem to be on a huge number of matches for each club and player, something a lot of other counties could learn from. Too often players sit idle for long periods throughout the season, it doesn't seem as those you'd have the chance in Kerry.

When did the Club championship stop sending the representative to Munster when a Divisional side triumphed in the county championship? If two club sides lose to two divisional sides in the County semi-finals will those two clubs play off for a spot in the Munster Championship?

TAC sure technically in our own county you could be in division 1 and be playing in the junior champ. This year Tullysaran are playing in div 2 and are in Junior Champ.

Life can be so cruel. feel so sorry for the family. think mickey harte just had a brother die recently too.

In the defense Mc Keever gets my vote at chb. He will be there to snuff out the dangers and hold the middle. Ak on one wing and acting as the link up man between backs and forwards and probably Dyas on the other wing. Think Moriarty would be better coming on as a sub as he will always run himself into the ground. Duffy is another option at half back, again powerful going forward.  just don't feel he is as good on the ball as the others and possession is key.

FF line would be Tasker, R Clarke, Mc Donnell

Hf line                J.Clarke,?,?  Think we need a player in here who can win the dirty ball and double up in defense if Kernan or Dyas was to move forward. Also have the diversity to be able to move into the defense and vice versa.               

do u mean u wouldnt have jamie clarke on then?

Think Oisin has already said he definitely wont be back.  I think he could still do a job but unless he's going to be the difference between winning a championship or not there's no point in him coming back.  Its time to let the younger forwards prove themselves

Personally think that armagh aren't that far away. The way he is playing I think he could make the difference in winning another ulster title at least. Armagh have 4 major deficiencies. Half forward line, midfield, over relience on stevey in forward line and in my opinion anyway free taking. I think he could go some way in solving 3 of these. I know the man is getting on but just think he is playing some  unbelievable stuff lately that warrants thinking about it

To say that a team is not too far away but cite 4 major deficiencies , two of which are crucial positions is a contradiction. There is no doubt there players to succeed are in the county but the selection process is the major issue. There are lads in the county That aren't given a crack at the whip. There has been manager after manager coming in and sticking with the status quo. Now the bulk of players from last year would be on the panel but we have natural scoring half forwards and decent midfielders. Therefore change the structures and bring in the players to strengthen the team. Enda Mc Nulty was allowed to occupy a place on last years panel. What purpose did this serve? If it was for experience then he should have been added to the management setup and not occupying the place of a lad at 21 years of age.  Armagh as a team have always under achieved even in the so called good old days. We have never had the diversity and in depth panels that the Tyrones and Kerrys have had in the last decade. We have witnessed errors over the years ie bringing Houllie on in extra time against Kerry when the man was done, taking MC Geeney off the field against Tyrone and handing them the pyshocological advantage to name a few. Forget about Mc Conville the man has done more than his bit and understands that he has to make way for the young lads like Clarke and co. We should structure the team better with these lads and over the next four or five years we will be competing again and see the v
benefits.

The point i was trying to make about not being to far away is look at last year. we beat down in the league final who were v close to winning the AI and could have beat dublin who were within a point of an AI final. This was despite these problems. If these were rectified what could we acheive? However i agree totally with your other statements regarding players not getting a fair crack of the whip. There are players added to the mckenna panel  and have been there before and have simply not cut it. Also their form in the club championship did not warrant their inclusion. (Not talking about o'rourke who had a great club season.) Totally agree with u about enda where it was pointless having him on board last year however he is finished the way oisin looks at the min he is far from finished and is a shoo-in for ulster club player of year. I know it is very unlikely that it will happen though was just trying to point out that the man could still be the answer to a lot of Armaghs problems regardless of age and was trying to see what other thought on the matter. Think Tasker and Carragher should have been included on panel

Think Oisin has already said he definitely wont be back.  I think he could still do a job but unless he's going to be the difference between winning a championship or not there's no point in him coming back.  Its time to let the younger forwards prove themselves

Personally think that armagh arent that far away. The way he is playing I think he could make the difference in winning another ulster title at least. Armagh have 4 major deficiencies. Half forward line, midfield, over relience on stevey in forward line and in my opinion anyway free taking. I think he could go some way in solving 3 of these. I know the man is getting on but just think he is playing some unbelievable stuff lately that warrants thinking about it anyway.

fair play to cross,super team and great club

Just new to this, watched a right bit of cross this yr and its clear to see that oisin is still a class act, not really able to win his own ball any more but as a finisher and free taker there is still none better in the county. still think that if alongside a ball winner in ff line (Ronan Clarke) to play off, could still do major damage at county level for another year anyway. This could free up jamie clarke to move to half forward thus having at least 1 scoring half 4ward. this could be an option for the last 20 of matches this yr and would take the pressure off stevey t have to score from play and frees (something i think he struggles with). What do people think? Is this a viable option or to far a step backwards? Or could Oisin even be persuaded to give it 1 last yr?