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He's on a hiding to nothing. Has done well with Donegal but there are too many players in that team who cannot get the handall out of their system as witness the last 15 minutes of their championship this year which they should have really shaken up and it was obvious that the players had abandined McIver's gameplan which had been working well up until then.

It could be any team manager waiting for the county baord to appear so that he can shit on them from a height.

Ardal, yours is the argument of the GAA flat-earther.
Try watching the seriously over-hyped Dublin Kerry games of the late 70's or any Donegal team or (sadly) any recent Sigerson team. Puke handball it is.
Their devotion to the handpass makes a mockery of the term Gaelic football, the very essence of which is catch and kick. Those basic elements have been refined doen the years, often to good effect, but not all cahnges rae beneficial and the constant handpassing coupled with high levels of fitness have resulted in outdoor basketball which is unwatchable and which invites the constant fouling and dragging that has been a feature of the game for too long.
If you cannot recognise where the basic elements of good gaelic football are then maybe the 11-a-side game is for you after all.Anyway is anyone capable of making sense out of why a fisted point is allowed but not a goal - as I said before I think neither should be part of the game and I agree with previous posts that it is a cop out.
While I;'m at it I would limit the handpass to 3 consecutive passes. The rule would be hard to enfoorce at the start but eventually the over-passing would be caoched out of the game.

When the ball is in flight any hand assisted score will count. Apart from that instance, why should points be allowed by the hand and not goals? Usually the fisted or hand-scored point by a player in possession is a cop out. If McGarty hadnt this option in 2002 Armagh would not have won an All-Ireland as a Sligo goal at that point (and it was point blank) would have ended Armagh at Croke Park. There have been plenty of other instances recently. This game is called football - let's make the scores live up to that name and do away with the hand scores altogether (except, as stated, from balls in flight).

Ulster's divisions are:
Tyrone,  Derry & Monaghan on a par.
Armagh and Donegal next - Donegal should be higher but not even McIver has been able to get rid of that shite crossfield handpassing that is unwatchable and ultimately wins nothing.
Fermanagh and Down on the next leve, both going the wrong way l with Down capable of falling through the floor unless there is a huge wise up done.
Antrim and Cavan also appearing.

Are ye being pied antic?

Big Doherty at midfield - what a performance. He was constantly being fouled yet still won great ball. Where was the ref on persistent fouling?
Derry had the winnings of this but young Bradley wasted too much ball - Murphy was a big loss. Derrry should have taken McGuckin off early on - clearly not fit - skinned right and left.

I'd like to see this Derry team stay together - good honest football and very entertaining - but SML looks past his best.

Why dont all GAA people in the 6 Cos write in to UTV/BBC and point out they will not watch their Stations in future. Also any GAA owned Companies who advertise with UTV - threaten to withdraw your advertising.

Neither of thee things will happen. We should look at our own organisation and ask just how effective a job our various PR departments from Croke Park down are doing about it. A more effective action would be deny BBC & UTV access to teams etc. at All-Ireland final stage when they ignore it all year.

Best comment I heard in a long timme was during the wall-to-wall coverage that preceeded the Norn Iron England soccer game last year -from first item on the main new bulletin to massive newspaper coverage - and the anticipated "massive attendance" of 14,000 people - was from an old Tyrone friend who said "For f..k's sake ye'd get a bigger crowd round the chip van in Clones".

I think RTE should ban news of Aussie Rules players from their GAA pages of aertel and their website. It has absolutely nothing to do with GAA that Aisake O hAilpin got in to the first team of his club. Good luck to O'hAilpin and all that, but it has as much to do with GAA as rugby in my opinion.

The progress of all these players should be part of the GAA results round up on RTE and in all papers and the PRO at Croke Park should see to it. This also includes all former GAA players playing the nancy game in England such as Doyle, Long and Hunt at Reading, maybe extend itr also to the rugby pros who once played bogball as they call it - Horgan and the likes. What about former GAA players who now drive rally cars - can we get their results in the West Sligo Second-hand Tyre-squealing road rage included too?

Maybe if Down stopped worrying about if they're 'unloved', they might get somewhere soon.....

And what had Canavan got to do with the two matches against Dublin in 2005 - the two games that turned Tyrone's season around? Lazy cliched analysis. You're obviously not a follower of the game if you didn't think that 2005 brought enjoyment and fun. Some of the games then, especially the final, were of the highest quality in years.

Listen O'Neill your paranoia is equalled only by your susceptibility to hype. When the chips were down you relied almost totally on Canavn. The only other indispensable player Tyrone have had these past few seasons is Brian McGuigan. Once I knew he would be out this year I laid a little bet that Tyrone wouldn't make the semis. But obviously I am not a followe to be so silly as to do a thing like that .......
However may main other point was that Harte delivered big time - but he would NOT have done it without Canavan.

Mickey Harte delivered and let it not be taken away from him but it was all about Canavan and every match without him has proven that - not an easy player to like but the difference between success and failure. Tyrone however will remain unloved for the persistent fouling (so called blanket defence where almost every pundit fails to spot the constant body fouls that are not permitted under the rules of the game - is anyone on TV seriously capable of taking a match and analysing it honestly or do they not know the rules?) and their gamesmanship (especially the dives and dramatics). As an Ulsterman I would truly like to see any team come forward (even Tyrone) and bring the fun and enjoyment back into the sport - only Monagahan come close to this at present.
We have comee to a stage in Ulster where we not only tolerate puke football but are compelled to admire it by undue hype. Thanks God for the hurling.

The tinks, is it your looking for?
Could apply to the whole Galway team at present - they're certainly all "knackered"!

What have you?
Cheesy Logie from UTV who pinfully thinks he is funny, Jerome from BBC who just doesnt do funny or interesting or indeed anything worthwhile at all, or Mark Sidebottom who at least  is the first addition to GAA television who is coherent and not trying to be the star.
Island of saints and scholars, writers, storytellers and the craic? - they dont exist in the GAA firmament.

I like Galway football and this team has some lovely footballers. Unfortunately that wins nothing these days and you need big mean men like Meath, Dublin, Tyrone etc., or at least a few of them in key positions. I watched the game today and Galway seemed tame, without urgency, some nice moves, great individual skills. If Carlsberg played football they'd probably play the nicest football in the world ...... but this game is for hardy porter drinkers these days.

As a Down fan I travelled from Kerry to the Carrickdale to see Armagh take the cup on tour in 2002, having already given my hard-earned ticket to a cousin in Armagh. It was history and great to witness it. This is about sport lads - keep Mido, Steve McLaren and all simialr over-hyped English soccer nonesense, especially persoanl and vulgar abuse, off these boards. Joe Kernan is a big man in every way and his success with Armagh will stand the test of time. Every sports fan should genuinely thank him for the enjoyment and wish him well.