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You don't seem to see Mc Guigan's reaction was irrelevent once Miskella hit him in the head. Thats a no-no in all contact sports as the rulebook states. So its irrelevent debate really.

That would only be an issue if Mc Guigan wasn't hit and he was feigning injury. And he was hit. End of story.

It's worse than I thought and I'm beginning to despair for the soul of the game - people actually think it's OK to pretend you're hurt when you're not. Sad.

Doen't matter whether he was hurt or not.....as a very famous Prime Minister once said...'a foul is a foul is a foul...' or words to that effect.

[Ulster team]

Get over it. There will be at least one Ulster team representing the province in this historic year in the All Ireland final having successfully turned rounbd a half time deficit in the semi final against a Munster kingpin.

Yep...and I'll be supporting them...

If you don't mind...?

[Ulster team]

Get over it. There will be at least one Ulster team representing the province in this historic year in the All Ireland final having successfully turned rounbd a half time deficit in the semi final against a Munster kingpin.

Yep...and I'll be supporting them...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-call-for-ref-justice-14466968.html

Pukes now blaming the referee for the defeat by 14 man Cork

Funny there was nothing wrong with the referee when Russel gave them a penalty for nithing and an easy free at the end of the 2005 AI semi final, or when Gooch was gouged in the 2005 Final

No doubt in the days to come the following will all be allocated their fair share of the blame for Tyrone's defeat

Brian Cowen
The Green Party
Simon Cowell
Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi
Gordon Strachan
Nelson Mc Causland
Ianrod Eireann

Sensationalist headline from a journo type...nothing to do with Tyrone. So Mickey called into question some of Bannon's decisions.....a blind man in a dark room could see them.

[The failure lies at u21 level where Tyrone has not managed to make a mark for several years. Progression of young players has been stymied by the lack of a successful u21 squad.]

Joe Brolly was the pundit who came up with the answer yesterday - Cork exposed each of those Tyrone weaknesses that most people knew where present but no one else had managed to attack in one game.
Tyrone is now at the crossroads where Armagh found themselves in 2006.  Sentiment and loyalty can mask an underlining problem which will eventually lead to the end of Tyrone dominance.  Despite the fact that underage sides and colleges have succeeded in Tyrone, the gap to senior level is not being bridged to allow a flow of talent into the senior squad.  The failure lies at u21 level where Tyrone has not managed to make a mark for several years.  Progression of young players has been stymied by the lack of a successful u21 squad.   Red Shaun O'Neill is one of the few of his age group to have moved across with signs of being able to be a regular senior.  He is not the only one capable of this transition but his peers are left behind without further inter county experience.
The senior squad is built on the successful underage sides that Mickey Harte developed over several years and carried with him into senior level. However, many of these players are now marginalised and are no longer playing a part on the team yet are part of a 35 man senior squad. 
Future success for Tyrone lies with a turnover of players in the next three years as Mickey Harte's underage squad ages with the danger of so many finishing at the same time just like the Armagh minors of 1992. 
Will Mickey concentrate on development of Tyrone football by clearing out those who have contributed to Tyrone success but are no longer in real contention for places and pull in new talent from underage squads or try to squeeze another AI or the elusive two in a row from the current setup?
Could the answer be for Mickey Harte to take over the u21 squad for the next year? Given the short season for u21 championship it would be hard work but the possible answer for Tyrone.

Very true....but I think we will have success at U21 level again within the next 2 to 3 years.

I dont agree about Bannon. I have seen him have many good games.

I haven't.......plus he has the misfortune to be a Father Ted lookalike.

See ger houlihan putting the boot in via the belfast tele. Saying Tyrone merely a good team as only great ones retain sam.

Hoully wasn't even part of a good team using his own logic.

Firstly, well done Cork...fantastic commitment, hunger, drive and passion...qualities that are needed to win AI's and also beat great teams. I fervently hope that they go on and beat Kerry/Meath in the final.
Secondly, some of the anti-Tyrone begrudgery from certain posters is unbelievable...I can understand it to some degree as success does tend to cause the green eyed monster to rear its ugly head. We all want to see our own particular county be successful...that's what being a fan is all about...what I can't get my head around is the fact that many of our neighbouring counties can't lend their support to a fellow Ulster county in the AI context. I was rooting for Armagh minors today...I'll be shouting for Down next week. If it was Armagh or Derry playing Cork today I'd be roaring for them, regardless of how many AI's they have won or haven't won or how many times they have beaten Tyrone. That eejit pontificating about a pure Irish final should put in a grant for more brain cells...go and read up on your Irish history and maybe you will realise what being Irish is really about.
Thirdly, John Bannon was embarassingly bad...but then he always is. Surely the powers that be can see and read about his past performances...if there aren't more consistent referees about (other than McEnaney) then I fear for the game. He got so many things wrong and bottled the big decisions. Cork going to 13 men definitely would have changed the game in Tyrone's favour regardless of how badly they were playing...Canty and Miskella should have gone...not O'Connor.
Fourthly...Tyrone's performance....Mickey Harte as usual says the right things after the match...congratulating Cork on their win and attributing the win to their hunger, desire and stopping Tyrone from playing. However, he must be gutted that so many of his starting 15 played so poorly....wayward passes fom usually reliable men was the norm today...very few of which had anything to do with the Cork intensity. Tyrone's normal attributes were missing....there's no denying it, and that wasn't anything to do with Cork and Mickey I'm sure knows that. Privately he must be seething. Maybe when you have a few Celtic Crosses in your underwear drawer you aren't so keen to put your body in where it hurts, who knows?
Fifthly, some posters are saying that this is the end of the Tyrone team. I personally don't think so. Maybe Brian Dooher might hang up the boots. He has nothing to prove and maybe nothing to gain in the forseeable future. Looking down the line into the future, which Mickey will be doing, I think it could be 3 or 4 years before some of the upcoming talent break into the senior setup and allow Tyrone to once again challenge for Sam...but I can't see wholesale retirements.
Lastly....Kerry may win more AI's this decade....but they still couldn't beat Tyrone when it really counted...accept it Mike!

Bit like yerselves, Mike!

Firstly, well done Cork...fantastic commitment, hunger, drive and passion...qualities that are needed to win AI's and also beat great teams. I fervently hope that they go on and beat Kerry/Meath in the final.
Secondly, some of the anti-Tyrone begrudgery from certain posters is unbelievable...I can understand it to some degree as success does tend to cause the green eyed monster to rear its ugly head. We all want to see our own particular county be successful...that's what being a fan is all about...what I can't get my head around is the fact that many of our neighbouring counties can't lend their support to a fellow Ulster county in the AI context. I was rooting for Armagh minors today...I'll be shouting for Down next week. If it was Armagh or Derry playing Cork today I'd be roaring for them, regardless of how many AI's they have won or haven't won or how many times they have beaten Tyrone. That eejit pontificating about a pure Irish final should put in a grant for more brain cells...go and read up on your Irish history and maybe you will realise what being Irish is really about.
Thirdly, John Bannon was embarassingly bad...but then he always is. Surely the powers that be can see and read about his past performances...if there aren't more consistent referees about (other than McEnaney) then I fear for the game. He got so many things wrong and bottled the big decisions. Cork going to 13 men definitely would have changed the game in Tyrone's favour regardless of how badly they were playing...Canty and Miskella should have gone...not O'Connor.
Fourthly...Tyrone's performance....Mickey Harte as usual says the right things after the match...congratulating Cork on their win and attributing the win to their hunger, desire and stopping Tyrone from playing. However, he must be gutted that so many of his starting 15 played so poorly....wayward passes fom usually reliable men was the norm today...very few of which had anything to do with the Cork intensity. Tyrone's normal attributes were missing....there's no denying it, and that wasn't anything to do with Cork and Mickey I'm sure knows that. Privately he must be seething. Maybe when you have a few Celtic Crosses in your underwear drawer you aren't so keen to put your body in where it hurts, who knows?
Fifthly, some posters are saying that this is the end of the Tyrone team. I personally don't think so. Maybe Brian Dooher might hang up the boots. He has nothing to prove and maybe nothing to gain in the forseeable future. Looking down the line into the future, which Mickey will be doing, I think it could be 3 or 4 years before some of the upcoming talent break into the senior setup and allow Tyrone to once again challenge for Sam...but I can't see wholesale retirements.
Lastly....Kerry may win more AI's this decade....but they still couldn't beat Tyrone when it really counted...accept it Mike!

Have to say I have that warm feeling that I last experienced before the Dubs game last year.....fully expecting a comfortable victory...6+ points.

only a goal will do it now

unlikely

still.......showed how weak kerry really are.....good effort all round

Thaggew and goodnight

Game over

'so to seak'

'speak..'   too excited!

Game over

'so to seak'

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