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I have absolutely no problem with Dublin winning, I do not begrudge them in the slightest and congratulate them whole heartily . It's McQuillan I've the problem with. By the way I'm not bitter about '82 either. I even believe that Darby's goal was perfect, the referee was correct in not awarding a free.

Fair enough. We'll agree to differ on McQuillan's performance.

In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal.  When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing.  To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.

If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.

Brosnan did not touch the ball on the ground end off. McMenaman hopped the ball twice, how convenient for Dublin that McQuillan did not "see" it. Sure he saw it  Keane's feet were firmly set on the ground, if there was a free at all it would be for charging, the proper decision would be for to allow play continue. Referees should not decide games on borderline incidences with what turned out to really be the last kick of the game. There was several more decisions that went Dublin's way, it was to most one sided refereeing performance I've seen since '82.

Ok. I tried to be reasonable but I see you're not for turning from your myopia. Just suck it up Seamus. We whipped that all Ireland out from under your smug Kerry noses and you're just going to have to live with it. The most bitter Kerry defeat since 82 I would imagine. Look on the bright side. At least you didn't have the victory T-shirts printed up beforehand this time around..............

In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal.  When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing.  To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.

If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.

Hey boys, ye're not paying attention. This was not a regular payment. Dublin got 7 million out of this scheme, everyone else got zero.
Who was Taoiseach in 2005 and what county was he from? Unable to build the stadium he desired so much maybe he turned to his county and guaranteed them success into the future. It's was one way of garnishing votes anyway. A Dublin hero that they inflicted onto the rest of us.
I'm well relaxed boys, just pointing out the truth of Dublins success and the unfair bias that has grown in the GAA and must be quashed.

By that logic, Enda should be able to deliver the Liam McCarthy to Mayo over the next 6 or 7 years.
I'm logging into my paddypower account now............

Here we see the Dubs trying to hide from the FACT that not only are they buying success but they are buying it with everyone else's money!
Why haven't you quoted some of my posts about the kind of 'fans' you attract? More of this type of lowlife will be attracted to games now, making it worse for away fans travelling to the hole that is Dublin.
Dublin is bad for the GAA.

Dublin is good for the GAA but bad for your blood pressure Dont Matter. There is no conspiracy.
Let it go son before you have a stroke or something.

I'd love to see the dubs do it, don't understand this hatred of the dubs that infects so many people, especially when it comes from counties with no rivalry with them. I have a fear that Kerry will storm out early to break the dubs but if dubs are still in the game with 20 mins to go they will win it.

Fair play Myles. I always find myself shouting for the underdog in hurling and football and the Dubs are certainly that on Sunday but not without some hope.

Any body but Dublin...no such place exists anyway, they are all sons of the culchies who cried when taken back from grandads farm at the end of the summer holidays. I would even support Roscommon instead of Dublin and believe me that would take some nose holding.

Are these the same culchies who hid under their straw mattresses when the Brits needed fighting in 1916? Dublin, the city that fought an empire (by ourselves). We'll be doing the same on Sunday and please God with a bit more success!

Quit talking shite, Coddler.

You'll be stuffed on Sunday.

History is not shite talk Benny and it began before 2002.  We may be bate on Sunday but I doubt we'll be stuffed. The old cavalier high scoring but leaky Dublin is gone to be replaced by a tighter meaner outfit. When we're beaten nowadays it usually by no more than a couple of points. We're a bit like Armagh in their heyday actually.

Any body but Dublin...no such place exists anyway, they are all sons of the culchies who cried when taken back from grandads farm at the end of the summer holidays. I would even support Roscommon instead of Dublin and believe me that would take some nose holding.

Are these the same culchies who hid under their straw mattresses when the Brits needed fighting in 1916? Dublin, the city that fought an empire (by ourselves). We'll be doing the same on Sunday and please God with a bit more success!

Massive respect for Kerry. None for Dublin.

Why's that?

Any information about how much was raised at croker on Sunday. I hope he got plenty of support

I was at the hurling final on Sunday and saw the Mark McGovern collection which looked to be well supported but did not hear of any final figure.  I don't often compliment them but fair play to the G.A.A suits who authorised this and I hope they do the same for the football final.

Any chance of a few million between Mayo, Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and North & West Galway for hurling development.

No. Conor Mortimer would just waste it on hairdressers and tanning booths.

but you would have to say McLochlainn had it coming after the sneering.

No argument here, hate that shouting in the face of an opponent, up there with the rubbing and tapping of heads that you see in rugby.

Agreed. Hate to see it from anyone including the Dubs. Noticed also in the hurling that Joe Canning made it his business to divert his run and roar into Maguire's face after scoring his goal in the Tullamore game. That ended badly for him too.
Apart from the poor sportsmanship it is counter productive as it usually only hardens the opposition's determination.

I would have sympathy for Kildare with the manner of the defeat but you would have to say McLochlainn had it coming after the sneering.....It's rarely that karma bites back so swiftly and sweetly.
That cheeky mare Alanis Morrisette might even work it into a song someday.

You would have to have sympathy for Kildare losing the match to a very doubtful free after Callaghan had pulled the game from the fire for them. There was no foul  visible  in the T.V footage of  the McLochlainn and Brogan race for the ball.
But it's fair to say that when both teams had 15 men the Dubs were the better outfit by a fair bit. Kildare had 30 minutes with the extra man on a blistering hot day and should have been able to overhaul us with their hard running game. The Dubs battled  hard and did just about enough to earn a draw which would have been a fair result.
I'm beginning to wonder though if Gilroy actually wants to win Leinster after the multiple QF and SF disasters as Leinster champions over the last decade. O' Gara was loping around like a Rottweiler worrying sheep for the whole first half and was on a yellow. It was glaringly obvious that he was going to get the line and yet Gilroy did not sub him at half time for McManamon. As O'Gara left the pitch Gilroy gave him a friendly pat on cheek ......If this was an All Ireland semi or final Gilroy would rightly have been livid at O' Gara but not yesterday.....  Another strange decision was putting on Decaln Lally before Cahill. These are not the actions of a manager doing everything in his power to win.
I think Gilroy has an ambivalent attitude to the Leinster championship and I would tend to agree with him. In 2009 we beat Kildare narrowly with 14 men, won Leinster and then got walloped by a resurgent Kerry who had stumbled through the back door. If we beat Wexford in the LF and I think we will then we'll be back in exactly the same position.
A narrow  battling loss with 14 men would not have been a disaster yesterday....

You have me head spinning there now Hound. Went to scratch my ear with the left and blew the nose with the right instead.