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[Gaels vs Lavey:]

Hello to all, new to the thread and hope I can contribute in some way. Often read the comments here as most posters seem to be more open-minded and mature in comparison to those on Hoganstand and then I decided I'd register.

I see RichieJ has extended the audience to which he spouts nonsense to so as soon as I set up my ignore list (if there is one) I should be good to go!

Been to 5 of the club championship games so far this week and haven't really been impressed at all. Some of the football has been shocking. This was my rundown on events (apologies if it's too lengthy) :

Gaels vs Lavey:
The Gaels looked disjointed against Lavey but never had to take it up a notch because they looked comfortable throughout even though they never led by much at any stage. Lavey looked like exactly what they are, a young, inexperienced team but there is a lot of players to work with there.

Players who impressed me : Gaels - Martin Dunne and Mickey Lyng (sub) .. Lavey - Darren Smith, Shane Tierney and Joey Jordan

Players who disappointed me : Gaels - Conor McClarey and Declan Meehan .. Lavey - Karl Duke

Ballyhaise vs Butlersbridge
Only got in for the second half of the Butlersbridge vs Ballyhaise game so hard to comment but from the sounds of things I didn't miss much. Ballyhaise looked unsure of themselves in the second half but managed to rack up a nice tally in the end despite having a man sent off and the team looking short of ideas at times. Does anybody know is Ray Cullivan on holidays or injured? Could be a game winner for Ballyhaise in a close game.

Players who impressed me: Butlersbridge - No.21 at full forward caused problems (Unsure of name... Keith Gumley?)
Ballyhaise - Stephen Smith and Shane McKiernan

Players who disappointed me: N/A

Castlerahan vs Ramor :
Castlerahan ran riot against a shocking (albeit inexperienced) Ramor team. Ramor looked clueless as to what each player's job was and they didn't know what to do when they got the ball. Anton Reilly and James McEnroe are two huge losses though. Castlerahan looked very good and took their foot off the gas for the last few minutes.

Players who impressed me: Castlerahan - Oisin O'Connell (Kicked about 1-08), Cian Mackey, Enda O'Connell
Ramor - Aaron Farrelly (One good save, solid kickouts) and Simon Cadden

Players who disappointed me: Castlerahan - N/A
Ramor - Jack Brady, Damien Barkey, Ado Cole

Cootehill vs Drung: A tightly contested game that I would not describe as exciting by any means. Cootehill sealed the game with a well taken goal by Enda Hessin and Drung never looked like coming back. Joshua Hayes injured/away?

Players who impressed me: Cootehill- Enda Hessin, John McCutcheon (My motm)
Drung- Killian Monahan

Players who disappointed me: Cootehill- N/A
Drung - Barry Watters, Michael McEntee, Paddy McEntee

Belturbet vs Drumalee
An important game by all accounts but Belturbet's efficient target man tactics proved the difference in my opinion. Ollie Donohoes proved a handful on the edge of the square and Bleturbet are the first team that I have seen use the new square ball rule to great effect. He was indirectly involved in both goals as a high ball in on the square caused chaos frequently. Beltrubet's inaccuracy in front of goal may cost them against a stronger side though.

Players who impressed me: Belturbet - Mark Teevan, Johnny Klusche, Kevin McConnell
Drumalee - Mickey Brennan (Solid free taker), Damien Donohoe (Worked hard, some great passes)

Players who disappointed me: Belturbet - N/A. (Jayo and Bud got a nice goal each but will need to do more against a stronger team.)

Drumalee - Jimmy Fallon, Kevin Donohoe.


That's just my take on things. Would love to hear the opinions of others regarding the club championship and less talk about Seanie J and co!

Wow!! its a pity that Declan Meehan and McClarey dissapointed you... I must tell mickey you were dissapointed... He will be upset.
Great analysis of the game though, i can see where your contribution to this forum will be of some benefit for the assholes who dont live in Cavan.
At least you will know what time the games are on and that in itself can take pages here for mylestheslasher and his merry band of "yes nodding dogs"!!
My advice to you is dont go against mylestheslasher or you will have everyone inclucding" mr tommy agreeable smith coming in to back up mylesthe seanie hater!!
These wankers hate the hoganstand but they cant take their eyes off it for news. Their bollox wouldnt get printed there so the " seanie hater "myles would be banned long ago. He use to be there ... the p***k!
I see Seanie is just 3 steps away from the celtic cross.............Word is he will be back playing with the gaels soon......if that move rags mylesthe"seanie hater" well im all for it!
So bananas post away with your crap about who dissapoints you and who doesnt,
The Oliver Plunkett Cup Will still be around the Rossa come late Sept.
Pop in and have a look if your passing..........Maybe those Gaels players who have dissapointed you might be there to welcome you!
In the meantime keep your valueable imformation comming............and il be back next May when Sir Terry sends the soldiers out for battle in year 2 of the 4 year plan....
They say Sam is heading for Cavan in 2017!!
Well thats the plan anyway!!
I hope Antrim or Fermanagh or London dont spoil the party!!!

If Kildare win tonight they will draw Dublin in the quarter final. It's the only potential draw that would comand a full house at Croke park. The Gaa don't want Kerry and Dublin meeting at the quarters stage . It's too early. So it's the dubs I'm afraid!

Cogito ... Using remember directing any of my posts as an answer to any of your posts. As I said to mylestheslasher gets the facts straight before you talk about who deserted what and why. As you well kno Seanie is in Cavan more often than he is not and is approachable. Now I'd say he would "let you in" on the ins and outs of kildares training methods. I know a lot of their work on the pitch this time of the year involves the use of a ball... You know "football" the round thing..our attitude in Cavan seems to be if we get 30 lads to commit , not drink, do what they are told, live like hermits then we will have success in a few years just because they were successful at underage. That's just bullshit old-fashioned way... Because it's impossible to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. And hyland will prove that fact over the next few years.

I never mentioned mars bars but don't let the truth get in the way of your anger. The traitor is gone, end of story and he'll win nothing where he is either no matter what guru trains them as they are not good enough.

As for this pathetic harping back to the 70's, an era where the grip we had on provincial titles at senior level was finally relinguished. Many of them were good for nothing but drinking and you know it. Now go away to some anger management classes like a good lad.

Traitor??? You still dont get it do you. You should really find out exactly what happened from the day Andrews dropped Seanie and 5 others right up to the Hyland being appointed. Find out the truth.i DID..And there are more to blame than Seanie,  Ask your buddy Steven.

Whether he wins anything or not is no concern of mine ,He has 8/9 senior Championship and 3/4 minor championship medals in the phoca and there not too many in Cavan that have that claim to fame.
Also he seems to be still capable of kicking the ball over the bar despite no full game played in 9 months.. and thats another thing not to many on the present cavan senior team can claim to be able to do.

The Gaels are amalgamating??? 

The gaels amalgamated in the 70s at minor and u16 level with Drumalee , killyagarry and Butlersbridge to win the minor league in 71, hence the reason kieran o keefe, sean leddy rip. fergus and john costello and sean kane have minor medals.
Cavan posters here seemingly dont have a clue about their local club history, i bet there is no poster here will name the first plater from the st pats 72 hogan cuo team to make the cavan seniors?
Unuasual you might ask for a 19 year old .. seemingly nowadays they need 4/5 years at u21 to gain experience!
But at least we were contesting ulster finals back in the 70s on the strength of a minor win in 74 and a colleges win in 72...... nowadays we cant win a maqtch on the strength of 2 u21 titles and a minor title..

but we cant disagree with mylesthewanker here...

Richie. You came on here last week verbally abusing not just me but everyone else on this thread using foul language I'd expect of a child. You then deleted that post only to come back and threaten violence against me and also threatened to tell people who I was. Then you deleted that post too. Now you are back again calling me a w**ker  while writing about something that I have not even commented on. As one of the other posters said you clearly have some mental issues you need to work on.

Your a fine one to talk about abuse... You have been abusing Seanie Johnston on here for 8 months.
Seemingly the word coming back from the Kildare move is that Cavan are light years behind in their approach to strenth and conditioning methods,fitness methods and also ball work in training.
So seemingly it doesnt matter what talent comes through if we continue to use out of date training methods.
Maybe Seanie should drop of some "boxes of mars bars" for Terry to feed the lads on when he heads back to Cavan town tonight !!
As you said yourself the "mars bars" seemed to have fattened Seanie up!
At least they havent affected his accuracy.

Cavan posters here seemingly dont have a clue about their local club history, i bet there is no poster here will name the first plater from the st pats 72 hogan cuo team to make the cavan senior


Owen Martin from Templeport perhaps, what difference it makes to the current state of Cavan GAA I'm not sure particularly when it's posted by another clown I have on the ignore list but anyway can't resist a quiz question.

The difference it makes is im just proving a point. Posters on here spouting shite about minor amalgamations which were going on in the 70s anyway.
And if you cant resist a quiz question i suggest you brush up on your answers. It wasnt Owen Martin. It was actually Hugh Reynolds.

The Gaels are amalgamating??? 

The gaels amalgamated in the 70s at minor and u16 level with Drumalee , killyagarry and Butlersbridge to win the minor league in 71, hence the reason kieran o keefe, sean leddy rip. fergus and john costello and sean kane have minor medals.
Cavan posters here seemingly dont have a clue about their local club history, i bet there is no poster here will name the first plater from the st pats 72 hogan cuo team to make the cavan seniors?
Unuasual you might ask for a 19 year old .. seemingly nowadays they need 4/5 years at u21 to gain experience!
But at least we were contesting ulster finals back in the 70s on the strength of a minor win in 74 and a colleges win in 72...... nowadays we cant win a maqtch on the strength of 2 u21 titles and a minor title..

but we cant disagree with mylesthewanker here...

If ye don't like hoganstand why do ye go on it for a nosey??? Or do you not like anyone coming on here having an opinion that might be different to any of yours?? We have for the first time in years have a commited raw bunch of potentially talented footballers.. We all agree on that... But letting Val andrews get his hands on them is not the way forward.. That's my point. Now I'm off.. Ye lads keep your little click of a message board to yourselfs where ye all agree with each other and clap each other on the back when Cavan win 2 games in a row.. Bye bye!!

You have still ignored the majority of my post.

.          Yes I have because all you want to do is nit pick about Seanie Johnston.. I hope he never plays for Andrews again.. And if you hang on a few weeks you will see another Gaels lad ready to pull out because he is totaly fed up with what's going on .. If you read back on (seeing you are so fond of it) to when Andrews was appointed you will see where I was totally against the idea. Mr chairman Tom Reilly had a bee in his bonnet about getting Andrews appointed quickly he didn't even interview anyone else.. Now it's all backfiring like it always was going to.. This is the 2nd year in a row we fighting relegation. And yes we need someone like Joe kiernan in for the rest of this year to keep these young lads interested. Because intrest can wane very quickly with a clown like Andrews at the helm.

Well richie - your refusal, yet again, to address any points in my post speaks volumes.

Myles we have a crop of young committed raw talent who need direction, developement, need to be used correctly, confidence built up slowly..

We have a manager who demanded time, got it,
Manager who almost played his championship team in the mckenna cup this year
Manager who went for promotion from the word go.
Manager who made excuse after excuse after every single game this year in his post match interviews.
A manager who has shown absolutely no improvement in 15 competitive games since taking over winning 5 of these games despite Donegal being the only team of any kind of decent quality in that 15 games.
Im not questioning the talent or the commitment in the county, im questioning the way Andrews is wasting it and the way we are happy to let him waste it.
Thats my main gripe

Look Richie, Its time someone pulled you up on this total bullshit you are writing on here. You seem to have a free reign to say what you want on HS. First off, were you at the game today or not? You live in the UK, do you fly home every weekend for the match. If you weren''t at the game then you know nothing about the tactics or lack of them except what someone told you. For all we know that someone could have the same vendetta that you have. The fact is you are primarily against Andrews because he had the balls to tell Seanie Johnston to piss off and take his rotten attitude with him. You've been constantly attacking him after every defeat, as if he should just take this young team from nothing to beating everyone.

Not happy with attacking Andrews you now have a go at Hyland for "added absolutely nothing to the Senior set up". How do you know that Richie, did Seanie tell you? Again, you are against Hyland because he too was part of the set-up that booted out Johnston. This man has had Cavan in the last 2 U21 finals and has a super record as a manager.

We are a team that has done nothing, absolutely nothing, in the championship for years. You would have us believe that the same players that were involved in winning nothing are now some sort of inspired leaders with sage like knowledge of football who will guide the young players. Total rubbish and everyone knows it. If there are better defenders in Cavan, that are willing to train, for Cavan, perhaps you could tell me who they are?? Perhaps you could name a star studded 15 that will win division 3 next year? 

Finally, you want Joe Kiernan to manage us (have you a spare 100k- thats what Galway gave him with tremendous results). Martin McHugh - of course, he hasn't managed a team in 12 years but he knows it all and no doubt he'd love to manage a team that would play against his own son in the 1st round of the championship.

It is a long process Richie, its the politics of quick fixes that got us where we are today. Putting up with bad attitudes, bad trainers and lads that don't give enough to the cause. We played a Roscommon team today that did exactly what we are doing a couple of years ago, I remember them getting tanked by Mayo in the championship. They stuck at it and now they are a decent team with a connacht title to their name.

I'm no fan of Andrews but I give him this, the young lads are busting a gut on the field and are doing there best which is more then Seanie Johnston ever did in a blue jersey.

Ive seen 2 national league games and a mckenna cup game so am entitled to coment , just like you are. if you dont like dont read. its a discussion board is it not? or do we all just agree with your opinion.. You hate and slag off hoganstand but your always looking there ..
dont read my posts because ive no intention of reading or commenting on yours

Anyone at the game. I am interested to read how it all panned out and am trying to avoid reading the usual "sack the manger", "players are useless" and "bring back Seanie" shite thats been written on hoganstand as I type. We need a point against Antrim to stay up so its in our own hands. For the good of football in the county it is my belief we should stick with these players and try and develop them. We will no doubt have to take some pain for a year or two in order to do that. In my opinion Hyland is the man for the seniors but not yet, maybe next year but I think even the year after next. He is a Cavan man and has a proven track record at underage. Thats the type of background Micky Harte had when he came to the Tyrone management job. Hyland should have the respect of 2/3 very decent u21 teams the year after next. Question is do we stick with Andrews for the end of this season  and the whole of next season. It is very unlikely he will stay at this rate but I think bringing Hyland in too early might not be a good idea.

hyland has been there for 4 years so surely he has had an imput into tactics,team selection, substitutions.If he didnt agree with what Andrews was doing why did he not resign?

yes your right these players need to be allowed and helped develope............but by Andrews??..You really are having a laugh.. he is completely clueless... and he has proved that

Didn't Hyland step down from co-manager to a selector? I think that states clearly where his priority lies at the minute. I like how he refers to creating a conveyor belt with the u21 teams in his interviews. It makes you feel like he is working towards something rather than just taking it one game at a time and hoping for the best.

The fact is that as a stand alone manager with a backroom team he chose to put together Hyland has brought us to two Ulster u21 finals in a row and an All Ireland final. Please god they can beat Derry in two weeks and make it three in a row. I think Hylands u21 record reads Played 9, Won 7 Lost 2. I think he deserves more credit than you give him Richie.

Can anyone tell me the full senior management team and the full u21 management team? I presume the overlap ends with Hyland.

Hyland has to be commended on his u21 achievements this past 3 years. But he has added absolutely nothing to the Senior set up. He has to take a certain about of the blame as he has a voice and if he dont like whats happening speak up.What actually is his imput in training? does he specialise in working with the defenders? or forwards? Or is he that selfish to stand by and let Val make a rod for his own back in the hope he will get the Senior job himself??
Anyway its all make it up as you go along management that is plain to see from team selections and team substitutions
This clown Andrews is on the verge of bringing Cavan football to its knees and there still posters here willing to back him without ONE SHRED OF IMPROVEMENT IN 2 YEARS...WHY???
Because Andrews has convinced the CB that this is a long process
I just wish he was chairman of the Dublin CB....because he is bound to be good at something.... Because he is no team manager

Anyone at the game. I am interested to read how it all panned out and am trying to avoid reading the usual "sack the manger", "players are useless" and "bring back Seanie" shite thats been written on hoganstand as I type. We need a point against Antrim to stay up so its in our own hands. For the good of football in the county it is my belief we should stick with these players and try and develop them. We will no doubt have to take some pain for a year or two in order to do that. In my opinion Hyland is the man for the seniors but not yet, maybe next year but I think even the year after next. He is a Cavan man and has a proven track record at underage. Thats the type of background Micky Harte had when he came to the Tyrone management job. Hyland should have the respect of 2/3 very decent u21 teams the year after next. Question is do we stick with Andrews for the end of this season  and the whole of next season. It is very unlikely he will stay at this rate but I think bringing Hyland in too early might not be a good idea.

hyland has been there for 4 years so surely he has had an imput into tactics,team selection, substitutions.If he didnt agree with what Andrews was doing why did he not resign?

yes your right these players need to be allowed and helped develope............but by Andrews??..You really are having a laugh.. he is completely clueless... and he has proved that

Oscar to overturn the buck!

rubys mount in the 2.05 looks the bet of the day