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Title: Working From Home
Post by: Taylor on January 13, 2021, 05:23:37 PM
Like many posters I am currently working from home until it is safe to return to the office.

While the home schooling is a pain in the bollix but I am actually missing going into the office.

Anyone else similar?

Reason I ask is that I have been reading some companies are planning on keeping their staff homeworking.

If that happens to me I would consider looking for a new job.

Dont get me wrong, the commute is shit but I would still prefer to be in an office than sitting at home all day every day
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: WT4E on January 13, 2021, 05:34:18 PM
I'd have to agree.

I was use to working from home couple of days a week as my job has a long commute and they let me do it and use to love it as it was a good combination but I have to say I am dying to get back to the office as feel like i'm going mad in the house.

I was thinking that after covid that companies would start doing this and only today I was talking to a colleague in Scotland who is leaving the company and he has been offered a work from home contract.

New Norms!  :-\
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 13, 2021, 07:32:22 PM
Iím loving working from home and definitely more productive. It was a pain at the start as we had no child care and working with a 6 month old isnít easy but since childcare kicked in it has gotten so much better. I still take runs into the office as needed but if I never have to go back full time I wonít miss it!  Maybe itís my age and having been stuck in an office for nearly 20 odd years Iím happy to have freedom, I clock on at 8 finish most days by 4.30 and rarely need to work late. Nothing wrong with that
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Ball Hopper on January 13, 2021, 07:38:40 PM
Working from home certainly requires a discipline that was not expected.

I've heard of a few working from who dress as if going to the office and actually get in the car and drive around for a few minutes before returning home and are thereby better prepared mentally for the day's work!!!  I haven't found that necessary yet, but sometimes it is hard to get into the "work" frame of mind immediately after leaving the kitchen. 

All in all though, I'd take home over office, but there are pitfalls...including spending too much time on work projects in a day.

Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2021, 07:39:16 PM
Been WFH since just after St. Patrick's Day last year, with 1-2 days in the office per week. To be honest there were some few people in the office and with social distancing there was no real craic, so could easily work from home full time. At present I'm up to 5 days per week at home and there are definitely some technological shortcomings from being at home if need to scan a big document for example but with increased electronic documentation systems and even using Adobe Scan etc on the phone things are improving. Work was manic last year so there was a lot of working in the evenings but planning to reduce it this year.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: gerrykeegan on January 13, 2021, 08:03:18 PM
The lad opposite me in the job slurpped his tea really loudly and drove me mad. I miss the f**ker now!
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: tonto1888 on January 13, 2021, 08:05:34 PM
I changed roles at the end of august and canít do my new job form home. In my old role I was WFH from March to august and while it was ok at the start it got tiresome very quickly. You miss actual real life human interaction
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: gallsman on January 13, 2021, 10:28:57 PM
Working from home certainly requires a discipline that was not expected.

I've heard of a few working from who dress as if going to the office and actually get in the car and drive around for a few minutes before returning home and are thereby better prepared mentally for the day's work!!!  I haven't found that necessary yet, but sometimes it is hard to get into the "work" frame of mind immediately after leaving the kitchen. 

All in all though, I'd take home over office, but there are pitfalls...including spending too much time on work projects in a day.

Twats. I can picture the LinkedIn posts now.

Working from home requires discipline and routine is important, but sort of shite is absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2021, 10:32:37 PM
It's not a real job if you're able to work from home.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2021, 10:53:42 PM
It's not a real job if you're able to work from home.
I go out and chop wood on my lunch break and rub soil onto my skin. I like watching Cheers or Frasier at my morning tea so no rush back to the office.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Harold Disgracey on January 13, 2021, 11:30:39 PM
Iíve been working from home from last March and I canít see me being back in the office until autumn at the earliest.  I donít miss the 3 hour round trip to Belfast and have probably saved at least £100/week on commuting/coffee etc. Like BC I usually work from 8-4.30 and probably for the first time in my life my flexi is well up.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: imtommygunn on January 14, 2021, 07:28:19 AM
I am not sure Iíll even be back in the office this year.

Weíd a table tennis table so I miss that but itís so much handier working from home for nursery pick ups etc.

When busy Iíve no problem working from home and get far more done. If quiet it does my nut in.

I just miss nice sandwiches and our work table tennis table.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Taylor on January 14, 2021, 07:42:53 AM
The lack of social interaction is hard to get used to.

No amount of zoom meetings can make up for that.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: galwayman on January 14, 2021, 08:14:25 AM
Iím in the same boat as a lot of people on here in that Iíve been working exclusively from
home since last March.
There are positives and negatives to it.
I lived in Galway city for a long time but now live about 20 miles from the city where my office is but the morning commuter traffic is an absolute nightmare so thatís one aspect I certainly donít miss.
Also I have young kids and I do get to see more of them during the week. When I was in the office they would often be in bed by the time I got home as I rarely left on time due to our workload.

I do definitely miss the social interaction of the office though and the buzz of the city (our office is slap bang in the city centre).
When things return to some form of normality I would say it will be a split week for me - probably 3 days in the office and 2 at home or vice versa.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Taylor on January 14, 2021, 08:18:25 AM
The split week would be ideal, unfortunately it isnt something we can do due to equipment needing to be stationery.

Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: galwayman on January 14, 2021, 08:42:11 AM
The split week would be ideal, unfortunately it isnt something we can do due to equipment needing to be stationery.
Iím lucky in that I work in IT so theoretically could work from anywhere that has internet access.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: tintin25 on January 14, 2021, 08:53:44 AM
Been WFH since the end of March last year.  In the main I have to say the pros outweigh the cons, no M1 traffic in the morning, saving money, gives me back 2 hours from my day and can generally get more work done.  Then there is the obvious benefit of not having someone over in your ear every 5 mins and the fact I can have a wee lie down on the sofa at anytime during the day lol.  Also have been doing assignments to obtain chartered status with my work, not a chance I'd have the same motivation doing same if I was only getting home at 6 every evening.  Have to say though the last few months I have missed the office interactions and you definitely do get up off your seat more in the office than you'd think - other than the odd walk/run after work, I don't think I'm moving as much as I did in the office and get definitely feel it with the extra ache or pain.  Think going forward a flexible approach for e.g. 3 days office and 2 days at home would be fine, or vice versa.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: macdanger2 on January 14, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
I've been wfh for the past two and a half years - it allowed us to to move out of Dublin and go back west. I like WFH but you definitely miss chatting to people in the office. In an ideal world, I'd probably go for a flexible 2/3 split.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: trailer on January 14, 2021, 09:07:27 AM
In the first lockdown I worked from home with young kids. Impossible. You got nothing done. Trying to run a business, mind staff, mind children , I honestly thought I'd end up in the mental. Thankfully we now have childcare sorted and I can go into the office, although the staff are all WFH. It has challenges but I love the office environment and certainly get more done that if I was at home minding children.
One of my employees is begging me to come back in. I'm not sure what to do about that just yet given were we are in terms of the pandemic and obviously then I'd be back at home...
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: maddog on January 14, 2021, 09:11:08 AM
Been WFH since mid March and no sign of going back. We have a big office in Birmingham city centre (landlords all over will be doing serious sweating) and talking to colleagues bar one or two noone wants to go back into the office. In terms of the work itself we had a massive email culture (ass covering usually) where lads sitting beside each other would put stuff in writing so in terms of communication it hasn't made much difference. In some ways the numerous zoom call meetings has created a more disciplined structure that previously wasn't there. Have only had one day where broadband was up the left and EE provided some temporary hotspot or something to get round it so all ok that way.
Which brings me on to a question. It is quite likely in the future i will be able to do the job from anywhere so why stay here would be my thinking. The only condition is that wherever i go would need to have A1 broadband to do the job. So for example if i was to buy somewhere at home how good are the broadband connections say if you were buying a house in the sticks or is broadband in the north a work in progress ?
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on January 14, 2021, 09:17:20 AM
Working from home certainly requires a discipline that was not expected.

I've heard of a few working from who dress as if going to the office and actually get in the car and drive around for a few minutes before returning home and are thereby better prepared mentally for the day's work!!!  I haven't found that necessary yet, but sometimes it is hard to get into the "work" frame of mind immediately after leaving the kitchen. 

All in all though, I'd take home over office, but there are pitfalls...including spending too much time on work projects in a day.

Twats. I can picture the LinkedIn posts now.

Working from home requires discipline and routine is important, but sort of shite is absolute nonsense.

This is certainly taking it to another level. However I would agree with the 'dressing for work' part. It definitely affects your approach to the day.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: screenexile on January 14, 2021, 09:25:15 AM
During the first lockdown I tried WFH for 2 days but with the kids there it was a nightmare so just went back to the office. It's only me and another lad in one office so it wasn't that bad.

My company has 2 offices one a mile from my house and the other in Dublin. Everything I do is for the Dublin site though so I could easily work remotely and we have 2 staff doing similar positions from the UK and Spain but like everyone else I'd miss the craic.

I find I'm definitely not as motivated when I'm at home I much prefer the office environment and the craic of an odd Friday when a few would head to the pub and the odd work night out to the races we used to have. When the kids go back to childcare I might switch it up with a day WFH a week maybe but it's good to have the option there.

Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: johnnycool on January 14, 2021, 09:51:03 AM
Been WFH since March last year like a lot of people and even with the kids, all five of them I'd say I'm more productive as you're not getting called about the place for stupid stuff like I'd normally be. I do go in once in a while for things that just can't be done remotely and the office is nothing like it used to be with social distancing, whatever people in are wearing masks and sitting miles apart, so very little interaction there anyway.
Longer term you do need to get out of the house once in a while and when things do return to some form of normal I'd be pushing to WFH for at least two days in the week.
The savings on fuel and childcare have been unreal.

Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Taylor on January 14, 2021, 10:04:51 AM
Been WFH since March last year like a lot of people and even with the kids, all five of them I'd say I'm more productive as you're not getting called about the place for stupid stuff like I'd normally be. I do go in once in a while for things that just can't be done remotely and the office is nothing like it used to be with social distancing, whatever people in are wearing masks and sitting miles apart, so very little interaction there anyway.
Longer term you do need to get out of the house once in a while and when things do return to some form of normal I'd be pushing to WFH for at least two days in the week.
The savings on fuel and childcare have been unreal.

You have certainly been productive johnny
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: galwayman on January 14, 2021, 10:07:21 AM
I think thereís a big difference between WFH with kids in the house and not.
For the first number of months the creche my 2 kids attend was closed and it was very hard to do a proper days work. I would mind them in the morning and my wife would take over in the afternoon.
We would then both try and do a bit when they went to bed.
My youngest is at an age where you canít really even attempt to work while minding her.

When the crŤches reopened it became much much easier.
They are closed again now obviously but donít think they will stay shut for as long.
We are paying over Ä1k per month for the creche for our two kids so one benefit was we were able to put that money aside and use it to put in a bit of a play area in the back garden for them.

If the crŤches stayed closed for a longer extended period of time (say for 6 months+) I donít know what we would do though as neither of us are getting much done at the moment so realistically weíd probably both have to take some unpaid time off.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 14, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Find myself hating you lads who work from home....although I suppose you always want what you don't have.

I've been in work ever since it all kicked off. from 7 odd to 5 each day I notice no difference in my life....it's the other, fun part that grates.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: WeeDonns on January 14, 2021, 10:59:10 AM
Back in March/April we tried WFH 3 days per week. I found it good & was really productive as I was making a point of getting stuff done & showing that WFH could work for the company after COVID. It only lasted for 4 weeks as it became clear that others were doing absolutely feck all. Our team were keeping in touch via Whatsapp & MS teams, (both apps you can install on your phone), and lads werenít responding to questions from the Dept. manager for hours or not at all. Pissed me off, they could have responded on their phones even if they were lying outside in the sun
Wife was on maternity & the weather was good so the kids didnít bother me much, but weíve a new-born in the house now & couldnít see WFH working for me atm Ė we havenít done it this time anyway, weíve 85 people at their desks spread out around the building.


Question: has anyone moved job during the pandemic straight to a WFH role?
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: screenexile on January 14, 2021, 11:59:41 AM
Back in March/April we tried WFH 3 days per week. I found it good & was really productive as I was making a point of getting stuff done & showing that WFH could work for the company after COVID. It only lasted for 4 weeks as it became clear that others were doing absolutely feck all. Our team were keeping in touch via Whatsapp & MS teams, (both apps you can install on your phone), and lads werenít responding to questions from the Dept. manager for hours or not at all. Pissed me off, they could have responded on their phones even if they were lying outside in the sun
Wife was on maternity & the weather was good so the kids didnít bother me much, but weíve a new-born in the house now & couldnít see WFH working for me atm Ė we havenít done it this time anyway, weíve 85 people at their desks spread out around the building.


Question: has anyone moved job during the pandemic straight to a WFH role?

That's a killer if the work isn't getting done it can ruin it for everyone! They'd soon pull the WFH in our place if that was happening but then we've all got monthly targets and a monthly zoom with the Directors so if someone isn't pulling their weight it wouldn't be long getting noticed!!
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: WT4E on January 14, 2021, 12:14:22 PM
Back in March/April we tried WFH 3 days per week. I found it good & was really productive as I was making a point of getting stuff done & showing that WFH could work for the company after COVID. It only lasted for 4 weeks as it became clear that others were doing absolutely feck all. Our team were keeping in touch via Whatsapp & MS teams, (both apps you can install on your phone), and lads werenít responding to questions from the Dept. manager for hours or not at all. Pissed me off, they could have responded on their phones even if they were lying outside in the sun
Wife was on maternity & the weather was good so the kids didnít bother me much, but weíve a new-born in the house now & couldnít see WFH working for me atm Ė we havenít done it this time anyway, weíve 85 people at their desks spread out around the building.


Question: has anyone moved job during the pandemic straight to a WFH role?

I have a colleague who has just accepted WFH role regardless of how covid pans out. He's delighted - he will have to go to production sites so one of the benefits he says is if he has to go anywhere for work its 45p a mile when the car leaves the house.

He has one kid and they are school age so i'd say hes at a good stage in his life for it.

I had 2/3 day split WFH north - Dublin Office for a year or so before the pandemic and really loved it.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Taylor on January 14, 2021, 01:11:00 PM
Back in March/April we tried WFH 3 days per week. I found it good & was really productive as I was making a point of getting stuff done & showing that WFH could work for the company after COVID. It only lasted for 4 weeks as it became clear that others were doing absolutely feck all. Our team were keeping in touch via Whatsapp & MS teams, (both apps you can install on your phone), and lads werenít responding to questions from the Dept. manager for hours or not at all. Pissed me off, they could have responded on their phones even if they were lying outside in the sun
Wife was on maternity & the weather was good so the kids didnít bother me much, but weíve a new-born in the house now & couldnít see WFH working for me atm Ė we havenít done it this time anyway, weíve 85 people at their desks spread out around the building.


Question: has anyone moved job during the pandemic straight to a WFH role?

I will be doing the opposite if I have to work from home.

I think its the mental health side of things as well that pisses me off working from home
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: trailer on January 14, 2021, 01:14:09 PM
If kids are in school or looked after etc then working from home is doable but if you have young children just forget about it. I lost count of the amount of Zoom calls I did with children on my knee.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 14, 2021, 03:15:03 PM
I find that the key to it working for me is making sure I keep getting exercise and I keep a structure to the day. I go for a 20 minute walk nearly every lunchtime and that breaks the day and gets me fresh air and then get out for a run 2-3 times a week. I have had meetings with the baby on the knee but that doesnít happen anymore. Iím lucky as there are 4 of us in the team with young kids and we only have a small enough team.

We had been doing team Ďchatsí 2-3 mornings a week at the start just to keep us sane. We donít do it as much but we have a weekly meeting and ad hoc chats 4-5 times a week and that helps. I certainly would be happy to keep this going when we go back to normal as Iíll be in hearings most weeks so I would be out of the house or office anyway
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: general on January 14, 2021, 03:59:44 PM
Hope you all continue to work from home - makes my newry to dublin return journey an absolute breeze in the mornings  ;D

like some - i cant work from home.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: bennydorano on January 14, 2021, 04:13:26 PM
I can't work from home and I have no wish to either, I know the type of person I am, I need structure and the discipline that structure gives. The wife is WFH and 3 teenagers are at home - it would be a punishment sending me home to work.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: armaghniac on January 14, 2021, 09:45:59 PM
Hope you all continue to work from home - makes my newry to dublin return journey an absolute breeze in the mornings  ;D

like some - i cant work from home.

Getting out of Newry can't be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Mario on January 14, 2021, 11:10:24 PM
I'd love to get a London job in the current environment and live in NI. I don't think anyone in my industry will ever be back in the office full time so I think in theory it should be possible and good for NI wages. My company has got rid of its belfast city centre office completely, we now have an office outside Belfast with only 25% capacity.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 15, 2021, 07:03:02 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0115/1189819-remote-work-strategy/

Them FG/FF feckers at it again, making changes and running countries and all that
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Taylor on January 15, 2021, 08:10:35 AM
I'd love to get a London job in the current environment and live in NI. I don't think anyone in my industry will ever be back in the office full time so I think in theory it should be possible and good for NI wages. My company has got rid of its belfast city centre office completely, we now have an office outside Belfast with only 25% capacity.

In theory Mario - but in reality it will be companies offering a lower salary because they know they can get away with it (in many cases it will still be better than what companies pay here now)
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: imtommygunn on January 15, 2021, 08:56:38 AM
In the IT space it's very possible to do that. A good mate of mine does it and I know other ones who have done it before too.

It depends on the area you work in I guess. It's definitely very possible in programming anyway.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2021, 09:24:24 AM
I'd love to get a London job in the current environment and live in NI. I don't think anyone in my industry will ever be back in the office full time so I think in theory it should be possible and good for NI wages. My company has got rid of its belfast city centre office completely, we now have an office outside Belfast with only 25% capacity.

Have a friend based in London who works in IT in the City. Management already having discussions about different pay scales for those "living outside the commuter belt".

He's lucky enough to be in a position where he can tell them to get fucked and is going to move to Edinburgh and commute 2/3 days every fortnight on his own dime as required, but that'll not be the standard for sure
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: WeeDonns on January 15, 2021, 12:30:44 PM
I'd love to get a London job in the current environment and live in NI. I don't think anyone in my industry will ever be back in the office full time so I think in theory it should be possible and good for NI wages. My company has got rid of its belfast city centre office completely, we now have an office outside Belfast with only 25% capacity.

This is what prompted my question
I previously worked in a software developers in Belfast - good enough money, hours, perks etc
I moved home to west Tyrone & did the ~2.5-3 hour commute daily for a year - they talked about allowing WFH a few days but it never materialised, so I got fed up & moved to a local firm - 7 years ago now.
It wouldn't have all the perks of the previous job, or the salary I'd be on now if I'd stayed putt - but it was the right decision at the time to cut out that commute

Can't help but think it'd be great to be getting the Belfast equivalent to my salary, but WFH with none of the financial or time costs of the commute now

Have a friend based in London who works in IT in the City. Management already having discussions about different pay scales for those "living outside the commuter belt".
Can understand this. The high Salaries are necessary because of the high costs of living in the city, but if those costs are massively reduced you either have employees with a lot more disposable income, or more profit for employers if they reduce salaries based on location..

If companies in the city realise they can hire skilled software developers in the sticks for a reasonable salary for that location, then they might start  doing that - but what's to stop them hiring developers from countries where that costs are even lower  :-\
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 10:27:30 AM
Where you getting the better salary and perks because it was a Belfast base job?

And what are you doing in an office that you canít do at home?

Business will see huge benefits from not renting office space, going forward this can only mean better business for them financially?
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: JoG2 on January 16, 2021, 01:55:44 PM
I'd love to get a London job in the current environment and live in NI. I don't think anyone in my industry will ever be back in the office full time so I think in theory it should be possible and good for NI wages. My company has got rid of its belfast city centre office completely, we now have an office outside Belfast with only 25% capacity.

Have a friend based in London who works in IT in the City. Management already having discussions about different pay scales for those "living outside the commuter belt".

He's lucky enough to be in a position where he can tell them to get fucked and is going to move to Edinburgh and commute 2/3 days every fortnight on his own dime as required, but that'll not be the standard for sure

Yes, salary realignment they call it. Some accountant will be getting a gold star
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: imtommygunn on January 16, 2021, 02:11:58 PM
Not every iIT company does that and on a global scale with IT companies it is currently a hot topic as lots of people now realise they can move out of ďthe bayĒ in San Francisco to affordable housing and still maintain a job in some of the bigger players. These people would generally be on a fortune too and are determined to stay on it.
Title: Re: Working From Home
Post by: Rossfan on January 16, 2021, 02:21:37 PM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/home-workers-to-receive-new-package-of-tax-incentives-in-the-next-budget-says-tanaiste-39974515.html