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Title: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on October 26, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
Do we need a thread for each match given how quickly this is going to run through?

Sat Oct 31 - Monaghan v Cavan
Sun Nov 1 - Donegal v Tyrone
Sun Nov 1 - Derry v Armagh
Sat Nov 7 - Mon/Cav v Antrim
Sun Nov 8 - Fermanagh v Down
Sat Nov 14 - Don/Tyr v Der/Arm
Sun Nov 15 - Fer/Down v Mon/Cav/Ant
Sun  Nov 22 - Final
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on October 26, 2020, 03:25:43 PM
Hard to know where ourselves and Tyrone stand after the league. McBrearty has only started one game this year and didn't feature since the restart. Tyrone seem to have a few issues too, including the current COVID issue.

Neither team gave away much last week is a pretty tame affair. Tyrone then beat a Mayo team who'd just pummeled Galway, while Donegal barely broke a sweat in basically fulfilling the fixture down in Kerry.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 26, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid ďwe would have won only we were missing players with covidĒ everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it. 

Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)

Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)

Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day. 

Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on October 26, 2020, 04:07:44 PM
Is Monaghan v Cavan live on TV?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on October 26, 2020, 04:15:28 PM
Not sure Antrim will go that well this year. Covid has really hampered our preparations.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LCohen on October 26, 2020, 04:29:07 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid ďwe would have won only we were missing players with covidĒ everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it. 

Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)

Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)

Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day. 

Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster

Everybody might not be in the same boat though
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: southtyronegael on October 26, 2020, 04:31:45 PM
Is Monaghan v Cavan live on TV?
nearly sure sky showing it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 26, 2020, 05:27:29 PM
Donegal will be strong favourites and rightly so.

They have absolutely pummeled us on kickouts in the last two meetings. Tyrone lost both games by 4 points but that scoreline flattered them as it could have been double digits on both occasions .

We are also likely to be down a number of players. McShane definitely gone and likely to be without Hampsey, Brennan, R Donnelly, Bradley, Cassidy and M O'Neill so I think you can safely say we will be down a third of our strongest XV is all of those miss out.

Hamspey or Brennan would also have been the most likely options to tag Murphy so we will have to come up with another alternative.

Donegal have had our number tactically in those two meetings so it's time to find out if Harte has learned anything.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on October 26, 2020, 05:44:06 PM
Outright odds

Donegal 15/8
Monaghan 11/4
Tyrone 4/1
Armagh 10/1
Down 16/1
Cavan 20/1
Derry 20/1
Fermanagh 66/1

Weekend match odds

Monaghan 4/11 Cavan 10/3

Derry 2/1 Armagh 8/15

Donegal 4/6 Tyrone 7/4

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on October 26, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
Outright odds

Donegal 15/8
Monaghan 11/4
Tyrone 4/1
Armagh 10/1
Down 16/1
Cavan 20/1
Derry 20/1
Fermanagh 66/1

Weekend match odds

Monaghan 4/11 Cavan 10/3

Derry 2/1 Armagh 8/15

Donegal 4/6 Tyrone 7/4

Tasty treble however if I was going with my head rather than my heart I would have Donegal in
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: glens73 on October 26, 2020, 05:53:59 PM
Outright odds

Donegal 15/8
Monaghan 11/4
Tyrone 4/1
Armagh 10/1
Down 16/1
Cavan 20/1
Derry 20/1
Fermanagh 66/1


Disrespectful to Antrim. Ammunition for Lenny to fire up the troops - Monaghan/Cavan won't know what's hit them!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: APM on October 26, 2020, 08:29:43 PM
Outright odds

Donegal 15/8
Monaghan 11/4
Tyrone 4/1
Armagh 10/1
Down 16/1
Cavan 20/1
Derry 20/1
Fermanagh 66/1


Disrespectful to Antrim. Ammunition for Lenny to fire up the troops - Monaghan/Cavan won't know what's hit them!

That is serious odds on Tyrone. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on October 27, 2020, 07:46:57 AM
   Itís hard to find grounds for real optimism about Monaghanís chances. Porous in defence with 2 traffic corridors leading directly to a free shot on goal and a return to default up front with McManus clocking up most of the scores. 

 Iíd have a punt on Tyrone at 4/1 if I was given a free bet with no restrictions. Though the last time Tyrone beat Donegal it was Big Sean who calmed the nerves and led the team through the last 1/4.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 27, 2020, 08:16:11 AM
   Itís hard to find grounds for real optimism about Monaghanís chances. Porous in defence with 2 traffic corridors leading directly to a free shot on goal and a return to default up front with McManus clocking up most of the scores. 

 Iíd have a punt on Tyrone at 4/1 if I was given a free bet with no restrictions. Though the last time Tyrone beat Donegal it was Big Sean who calmed the nerves and led the team through the last 1/4.

The last time they beat Donegal was in the super 8s in Ballybofey after he retired.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 09:01:21 AM
I felt Donegal didnt even come out of second gear against Tyrone, yes Tyrone were doing maybe some shadow boxing also but they needed the wins to secure safety in Div1..

 Once Donegal develop a lead, its very hard to win ball back and get a score before they get another one, Murphy was picking up balls in his fullback line and popping up a minute or so later fighting for the ball at fullforward.

15/8 is the best price you'll get on that list

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Seaney on October 27, 2020, 09:12:36 AM
Donegal are serious All Ireland contenders!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 27, 2020, 09:31:39 AM
Itíll be Donegalís 6th Ulster in 10 years. They have ruled the roost in Ulster and would have to be thinking more of national honours. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 09:37:37 AM
No ulster team is close to national honours.

Though this is maybe one year dublin could be caught on the hop but I would doubt it. Kerry I think have moved to a level above the ulster teams too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on October 27, 2020, 09:42:48 AM
No ulster team is close to national honours.

Though this is maybe one year dublin could be caught on the hop but I would doubt it. Kerry I think have moved to a level above the ulster teams too.
I wouldnít be 100% convinced on that. Kerry were not a level above Tyrone when they beat them in last yearís semi final. In fact, Tyrone must still be wondering how they threw the 2nd half away.
I wouldnít read a whole lot into this yearís league or anything into Kerryís win against Donegal at the weekend.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
You could be right but it's still Dublin's to lose. Kerry when they played second half against Tyrone were very good and I just think that the all irelands last year will maybe have brought them on.

I still think that "business end" Tyrone have a bit more about them than even Donegal. Monaghan floated about like Donegal did for years but when it came down to actual knockout games Tyrone always came out on top. Harte always has them peaking at the knockout. Ulster different this year though so who knows but it's far from a given that Donegal will beat Tyrone. It'll be interesting to see if Tyrone can plan for shutting down Murphy.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 10:41:38 AM
Dublin are definitely vulnerable this year.

No packed Croke Park and the influence of The Hill.
New manager, no continuity in the league - Farrell was trying players out in the league so he has no settled team.
No McCaffrey
Winter football conditions may possibly suit other teams.

If Dublin are to be caught, this is the best possible example and I think with the format of this Championship Kerry have the best possible Championship.

Cork might not be a pushover but they should win Ulster handy. They then face the Connacht champions, Galway looked good early in the league but look a shadow of that side now and are missing key players. Mayo are in transition and while Roscommon are game and could win Connacht they are a limited side who Kerry will beat in their sleep.

I would be 80% certain Kerry will be in an All Ireland final this year, most likely against Dublin but I think Donegal are looking good if they can keep their main men fit and they deliver.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: clarshack on October 27, 2020, 10:53:06 AM
I assume these games can go to penalties?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: johnnycool on October 27, 2020, 11:26:19 AM
I assume these games can go to penalties?

I think all championship games require a winner on the day this year, so extra time then penalties I'd have thought
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on October 27, 2020, 11:38:16 AM
I felt Donegal didnt even come out of second gear against Tyrone, yes Tyrone were doing maybe some shadow boxing also but they needed the wins to secure safety in Div1..

Once Donegal develop a lead, its very hard to win ball back and get a score before they get another one, Murphy was picking up balls in his fullback line and popping up a minute or so later fighting for the ball at fullforward.

15/8 is the best price you'll get on that list

Tyrone did it just two years ago though. We were on top in that Super 8 qualifier, still up four points going into the last 15, but the subs Harte sent on, particularly the likes of Lee Brennan, swung the game and they finished very strongly to end up winning by seven points thanks to a couple of late goals.

Not sure where I see the optimism on this thread for Donegal. Yes, if we get past Tyrone, I'd have us favourites for Ulster, but this weekend's game is 50/50. If we knew McBrearty was going to be fully fit and back to full sharpness, that would be one thing, but all we have to go on is two league games, one of which was a fairly tight shadow-boxing match between the two.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
It's a lot of tyrone ones playing their chances down... I'd say it's close to a 50-50 game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
It's a lot of tyrone ones playing their chances down... I'd say it's close to a 50-50 game.

Not really.

Donegal have done a number on us in the last two meetings and look to be at close to full strength. McBrearty being the only definite starter not involved against Tyrone who in contrast are likely to be without 7/8 players who would have featured against Donegal if available (Brennan, Hampsey, McShane, R Donnelly, Bradley, Cassidy, M O'Neill).

It would be 50-50 if both teams are at full tilt but Tyrone are down a number of key men and good options off the bench.

I want to see an improvement on the line next weekend, Donegal had our number tactically in the last two meetings. Our kickouts have been attacked as a result we have fared really badly around the middle of the field. We have not shown the patience or craft to breakdown Donegal's mass defence. So we need to see something new.

The game against Mayo should bring Tyrone on as they are a bit more battle hardened and got a tough game with a real competitive edge in which is important in a condensed Championship like this.

The bookies have it Donegal 8/13 and Tyrone 7/4 which I think is right.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:52:16 AM
They've tended to do a number in the ulster championship though which hasn't been knockout whereas this is.

A lot of different variables here from the standard year I guess so hard to say.

McKenna and / or Canavan should give you something different. It should be interesting to see how McKenna shows u in championship.

I would have Donegal as slight favourites but not as much as the bookies say.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on October 27, 2020, 11:52:55 AM
If we were not missing any players I would say we would be favourites.

The strength of your squad is going to be vital in this condensed season - we dont have that quality.

Betting is correct as it is now
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 27, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid ďwe would have won only we were missing players with covidĒ everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it. 

Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)

Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)

Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day. 

Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster

Everybody might not be in the same boat though

I think they are to be honest.  Most teams have the risk of getting decimated with covid dropouts on a week to week basis.  A team at full strength may be unfortunate to have several key players out of action the week after. 

Hopefully players be extra careful over the next month so it doesn't come to that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LCohen on October 27, 2020, 12:18:56 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid ďwe would have won only we were missing players with covidĒ everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it. 

Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)

Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)

Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day. 

Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster

Everybody might not be in the same boat though

I think they are to be honest.  Most teams have the risk of getting decimated with covid dropouts on a week to week basis.  A team at full strength may be unfortunate to have several key players out of action the week after. 

Hopefully players be extra careful over the next month so it doesn't come to that.

Respectfully that is complete nonsense.

Your original point was that nobody should complain that ďwe would have won only we were missing players with covidĒ as everyone is in the same boat. It is simply not the case that a team that is missing 20 players is in the same boat as a team that could have been missing 20 players. It simply isnít.

Hopefully it doesnít come to that or anything like it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dire Ear on October 27, 2020, 12:22:07 PM
Murphy is the key,  stop him and Tyrone have a better chance.
Donegal still strong favs
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: lenny on October 27, 2020, 01:34:48 PM
Murphy is the key,  stop him and Tyrone have a better chance.
Donegal still strong favs

Fancy Tyrone for this one. That tough game v Mayo was perfect preparation and winning should give them the confidence.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: nrico2006 on October 27, 2020, 01:52:36 PM
You would imagine that the only reason that the bookies have Donegal as favourites is due to Tyrones absentee list.  Any word on McShanes progress?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 01:54:38 PM
You would imagine that the only reason that the bookies have Donegal as favourites is due to Tyrones absentee list.  Any word on McShanes progress?


So if Tyrone had a full team available Tyrone would be favs? Where's the game being played?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 27, 2020, 02:12:47 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid ďwe would have won only we were missing players with covidĒ everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it. 

Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)

Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)

Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day. 

Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster

Everybody might not be in the same boat though

I think they are to be honest.  Most teams have the risk of getting decimated with covid dropouts on a week to week basis.  A team at full strength may be unfortunate to have several key players out of action the week after. 

Hopefully players be extra careful over the next month so it doesn't come to that.

Respectfully that is complete nonsense.

Your original point was that nobody should complain that ďwe would have won only we were missing players with covidĒ as everyone is in the same boat. It is simply not the case that a team that is missing 20 players is in the same boat as a team that could have been missing 20 players. It simply isnít.

Hopefully it doesnít come to that or anything like it

Of course a team missing 20 players isnít the same as a team at full strength, but my point was simply all teams can be equally as unlucky to have players out of a fixture as a result of it. 

The only thing I say me and you will agree on is that we will need a fresh set of togs coming into the last 10mins of the Armagh match. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 27, 2020, 02:20:58 PM
I felt Donegal didnt even come out of second gear against Tyrone, yes Tyrone were doing maybe some shadow boxing also but they needed the wins to secure safety in Div1..

 Once Donegal develop a lead, its very hard to win ball back and get a score before they get another one, Murphy was picking up balls in his fullback line and popping up a minute or so later fighting for the ball at fullforward.

15/8 is the best price you'll get on that list

The main issue with Tyrone is defensively. Donegal at their ease scored 2-17 in that round 6 tie, last Sunday was a do or die championship like match whereby one would expect Tyrone to concede a low score yet they conceded 1-19 to a Mayo side without their main marksman Cillian O’Connor and Tyrone only won because of agurably David Clarkes worst performance in a Mayo shirt. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 02:59:10 PM
I felt Donegal didnt even come out of second gear against Tyrone, yes Tyrone were doing maybe some shadow boxing also but they needed the wins to secure safety in Div1..

 Once Donegal develop a lead, its very hard to win ball back and get a score before they get another one, Murphy was picking up balls in his fullback line and popping up a minute or so later fighting for the ball at fullforward.

15/8 is the best price you'll get on that list


The main issue with Tyrone is defensively. Donegal at their ease scored 2-17 in that round 6 tie, last Sunday was a do or die championship like match whereby one would expect Tyrone to concede a low score yet they conceded 1-19 to a Mayo side without their main marksman Cillian OíConnor and Tyrone only won because of agurably David Clarkes worst performance in a Mayo shirt.


Tyrone should have been a lot further ahead at HT than 8 points and Mayo were eased back into it with a number of very soft frees in comparison. Tyrone made very hard work of what should have been fairly routine to close out. Players looked out on their feet near the end but hopefully a battle like the second turned into will bring them on for Donegal.

The key of this game will be kickouts. Donegal have aggressively pressed in the last two meetings as they have backed themselves to dominate us in midfield which they did, they have more size and pace in that middle third area. Thought Kennedy added a lot to us at the weekend but was notably tiring in that second half before being withdrawn.

We are lacking in defensive options - Hampsey, Brennan, Cassidy and O'Neill are all likely to miss out. Three of those would have started I'd have guessed.

If we can break even in primary possession then we have a decent shot but I just feel that Donegal completely have our number tactically and given the number of players we likely be down, key players, then it's hard to see a Tyrone win here.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 27, 2020, 03:21:40 PM

Tyrone should have been a lot further ahead at HT than 8 points and Mayo were eased back into it with a number of very soft frees in comparison. Tyrone made very hard work of what should have been fairly routine to close out. Players looked out on their feet near the end but hopefully a battle like the second turned into will bring them on for Donegal.


Could be a less in front at half time but for Mayo butchering a number of good goal scoring chances 1st half. Mayo dominated the 2nd half out scoring Tyrone 1-12 to 1-5 in the end the goal keeping error on the 3rd goal was key to Tyrones narrow win.  If a simliar 70 minute performance is produced by Tyrone on Sunday it will result in a comfortable win for Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 04:25:36 PM

Tyrone should have been a lot further ahead at HT than 8 points and Mayo were eased back into it with a number of very soft frees in comparison. Tyrone made very hard work of what should have been fairly routine to close out. Players looked out on their feet near the end but hopefully a battle like the second turned into will bring them on for Donegal.


Could be a less in front at half time but for Mayo butchering a number of good goal scoring chances 1st half. Mayo dominated the 2nd half out scoring Tyrone 1-12 to 1-5 in the end the goal keeping error on the 3rd goal was key to Tyrones narrow win.  If a simliar 70 minute performance is produced by Tyrone on Sunday it will result in a comfortable win for Donegal.

No we should have been a lot more in front, Harte and Donnelly had goal chances which they took points in. McKenna had another goal chance himself, we hit about 5/6 scorable wides in the first half, McKernan dropped one into Clarke's hands. We should have been about 12 up at HT on the balance of play and had the game over as a contest. Mayo were highly reliant on a number of soft frees to keep them in it.

0-02 of Tyrone's 2-09 came from frees in the first half.
0-03 of Mayo's 0-07 came from frees in the first half.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: rrhf on October 27, 2020, 05:26:54 PM
Has Murphy recovered from when Mc kenna put him on his arse? Might take more than last weeks game. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 05:44:59 PM
Has Murphy recovered from when Mc kenna put him on his arse? Might take more than last weeks game.

Think he was fine when he showed him the score at the end  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: delgany on October 27, 2020, 05:57:55 PM
Leagues for playing in, championship is what counts!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 27, 2020, 06:23:25 PM
No we should have been a lot more in front, Harte and Donnelly had goal chances which they took points in. McKenna had another goal chance himself, we hit about 5/6 scorable wides in the first half, McKernan dropped one into Clarke's hands. We should have been about 12 up at HT on the balance of play and had the game over as a contest. Mayo were highly reliant on a number of soft frees to keep them in it.

0-02 of Tyrone's 2-09 came from frees in the first half.
0-03 of Mayo's 0-07 came from frees in the first half.

As I already stated could be a less in front at half time also. If Mayo were clinical on Sunday they would have scored in the region of 4-22. For the record this is what Tyrone conceded in their previous 6 matches in McHale Park. 0-8,1-7,1-11,1-11,1-8,1-5

The current issues Tyrone have in defence has to be a big cause for concern for this upcoming knock out championship tie.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 06:30:16 PM
No we should have been a lot more in front, Harte and Donnelly had goal chances which they took points in. McKenna had another goal chance himself, we hit about 5/6 scorable wides in the first half, McKernan dropped one into Clarke's hands. We should have been about 12 up at HT on the balance of play and had the game over as a contest. Mayo were highly reliant on a number of soft frees to keep them in it.

0-02 of Tyrone's 2-09 came from frees in the first half.
0-03 of Mayo's 0-07 came from frees in the first half.

As I already stated could be a less in front at half time also. If Mayo were clinical on Sunday they would have scored in the region of 4-22. For the record this is what Tyrone conceded in their previous 6 matches in McHale Park. 0-8,1-7,1-11,1-11,1-8,1-5

The current issues Tyrone have in defence has to be a big cause for concern for this upcoming knock out championship tie.

Could have but they should have been more than the 8 pts ahead on the balance of play.

If Mayo took every single opportunity going they might have scored 4-22, if Tyrone took every single opportunity available they might have scored 6-26.

That's the hypothesis you're proposing.

Tyrone do have an issue in their defence presently and also in midfield.

Brennan and Hampsey are guaranteed starters we will have to do without in that defence next week. I hope we show improvements in that area this coming weekend but my eyes are more focused to next year and what having a fit and fresh McShane can do to our attack along with McKenna.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: delgany on October 27, 2020, 06:59:14 PM
Middle 8 not winning an equal share of the breaking ball is a major reason why defence is under pressure. The defence  do turn over alot of forwards to be fair to them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 07:28:10 PM
Middle 8 not winning an equal share of the breaking ball is a major reason why defence is under pressure. The defence  do turn over alot of forwards to be fair to them.

It certainly does a lot to explain it but then you look at two goals we let in against Donegal and it was just brainless defending, players letting men run in behind them without tracking the runs, three or four players charging towards a player with the ball and leaving so much space in behind.

There's a lot of players you could blame for the first Donegal goal but McKernan was the most guilty party as he was in a good position to cover, left his position to go after Mogan when there was enough there to deal with him and then they all bought the dummy and were wide open.

Hampsey was at fault for the second as he didn't track Brennan in behind when he was the closest player to him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on October 27, 2020, 07:58:50 PM
my eyes are more focused to next year.

You better hope that Tyrone players and management haven't the same focus this Sunday.

Middle 8 not winning an equal share of the breaking ball is a major reason why defence is under pressure. The defence  do turn over alot of forwards to be fair to them.

Massive gaps in the Tyrone defence at moment with a number of defenders switching off. Tyrone need to get back to playing to their strengths. Hard to score against and beat.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: smelmoth on October 27, 2020, 08:04:05 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189

Presumably this is a squad member who wasnít involved in any way in Sunday pastís squad?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyHarp on October 27, 2020, 08:13:57 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189

Presumably this is a squad member who wasnít involved in any way in Sunday pastís squad?

Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: greatpoint on October 27, 2020, 08:22:16 PM
Has Murphy recovered from when Mc kenna put him on his arse? Might take more than last weeks game.

Looked like he slipped and fell forwards from the replays that I saw.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: An Watcher on October 27, 2020, 08:48:35 PM
That aul chestnut
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on October 27, 2020, 09:00:01 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 27, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189

Presumably this is a squad member who wasnít involved in any way in Sunday pastís squad?

Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?

If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on October 27, 2020, 09:06:06 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?

Eh cos you have symptoms and are a risk to your friends, family and team mates.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on October 27, 2020, 09:16:57 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?

Seriously?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: square_ball on October 27, 2020, 09:50:37 PM
Is this not old news?? It was well known over the weekend. Surprised the BBC took as long to report it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: clarshack on October 27, 2020, 10:54:53 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?

Would Armagh cover it up if a player was showing symptoms? I suspect that there would be a few counties that would do so.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on October 27, 2020, 11:00:46 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189

Presumably this is a squad member who wasnít involved in any way in Sunday pastís squad?

Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?

If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.

I agree.

It would completely devalue it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: macdanger2 on October 27, 2020, 11:15:16 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189

Presumably this is a squad member who wasnít involved in any way in Sunday pastís squad?

Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?

If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.

I agree.

It would completely devalue it.

The GAA need to be clear on their policy on this imo, if say Leitrim have players missing against Mayo then they should be treated the same as any "big" team would be in a game that's expected to be tight.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LCohen on October 27, 2020, 11:17:04 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?

Would Armagh cover it up if a player was showing symptoms? I suspect that there would be a few counties that would do so.

Jesus you would hope that players, squads and management in all counties are following all the protocols and best practices. No sympathy for any county, including my own, if they are playing fast and loose with this.

Imagine the team Doc having to account for their conduct if proper procedures were not in place and being followed
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LCohen on October 27, 2020, 11:20:50 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189

Presumably this is a squad member who wasnít involved in any way in Sunday pastís squad?

Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?

If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.

I agree.

It would completely devalue it.

The GAA need to be clear on their policy on this imo, if say Leitrim have players missing against Mayo then they should be treated the same as any "big" team would be in a game that's expected to be tight.

Absolutely.

But I get the impression is that all teams will be treated equally with the championship run off in short order with no delays for anybody
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: delgany on October 27, 2020, 11:24:21 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1027/1174141-dungarvan-set-to-lose-title-over-covid-19-breach/
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LCohen on October 27, 2020, 11:29:37 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1027/1174141-dungarvan-set-to-lose-title-over-covid-19-breach/

That is the way it has to be. Deliberately avoiding testing needs to be punished heavily also. A clear statement to that effect before the weekend would be wise
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: The Trap on October 27, 2020, 11:30:19 PM
Wonder did any other teams play players in finals who should have been isolating?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LCohen on October 27, 2020, 11:45:18 PM
Wonder did any other teams play players in finals who should have been isolating?

Well on another thread you are not wondering.

If you have something to say, say it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on October 28, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189

Presumably this is a squad member who wasnít involved in any way in Sunday pastís squad?

Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?

If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.

I agree.

It would completely devalue it.
Completely devalue? Thatís a tad overreactive. Think of it as a horse race over fences  and one of the outsiders the 6th favorite is raring to go, full of beans, chest pumping and full of bravado, then refuses at the first fence. Soon forgotten about.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Hound on October 28, 2020, 09:13:38 AM
Tyrone player positive for COVID

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189

Presumably this is a squad member who wasnít involved in any way in Sunday pastís squad?

Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?

If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.

I agree.

It would completely devalue it.
Completely devalue? Thatís a tad overreactive. Think of it as a horse race over fences  and one of the outsiders the 6th favorite is raring to go, full of beans, chest pumping and full of bravado, then refuses at the first fence. Soon forgotten about.
Absolutely

Has to be play or concede.

Everyone should be tested and positive players removed.
Training needs to be done in such a way that all players are casual contacts and not close contacts.
Counties with bigger picks will find it easier to replace players - same as any year with injuries - but more pronounced if you need to replace 5 or 6 or more.
Counties with lower Covid infection rates will be less likely to have players test positive, but them are the breaks.
It's inevitable that at least one county will be decimated by positive results, that will be very disappointing, but no reason to cancel the whole show.
There are going to be highs and lows, great highs and lows, if they can get this championship done as planned. And imagine if Dublin slip up how many counties will think, this could be our best opportunity
Devalued championship? It may be a different championship, but especially if someone other than Dublin or Kerry win it, when Sam Maguire is lifted I doubt there'll be many talking about a devalued championship.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Seaney on October 28, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
If players stuck to their positions like in the olden days they would be spaced out, instead of have 29 in one half of the field.  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on October 28, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
If players stuck to their positions like in the olden days they would be spaced out, instead of have 29 in one half of the field.  ;D
Then a player wouldn't have to give up the fags.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on October 28, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?

Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 05:08:45 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?

Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?

He is exceptional J70.

Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.

His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2020, 06:06:42 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?

Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?

He is exceptional J70.

Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.

His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years

Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game heíd need to have speed and strength to get through it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on October 28, 2020, 06:42:42 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?

Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?

He is exceptional J70.

Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.

His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years

Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game heíd need to have speed and strength to get through it.

I think that's lazy analysis - just because he's small he'll not be fit for it at senior level.

Just ask Peter.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: square_ball on October 28, 2020, 06:53:42 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?

Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?

He is exceptional J70.

Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.

His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years

Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game heíd need to have speed and strength to get through it.

Are you sure it was Darragh? Thereís another son Ruairi who was playing for St Ciaranís last year in a final as far as I know.

Darragh is an exceptional talent. Obviously thereíll be comparisons with his Da but heíll be an excellent player in his own right.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 28, 2020, 07:26:15 PM
Canavan has been working on the building site the last year or so hasn't he?

Looks like he has bulked up a bit. Think he's probably better coming off the bench at this stage, be nice to have Bradley available at the weekend but looks doubtful.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2020, 07:54:45 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?

Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?

He is exceptional J70.

Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.

His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years

Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game heíd need to have speed and strength to get through it.

I think that's lazy analysis - just because he's small he'll not be fit for it at senior level.

Just ask Peter.

Not lazy just an observation but obviously I was speaking about the wrong one, seems it was the younger. Size unfortunately in the modern game is important. Though if he has the talent of his da heíll be fine
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2020, 07:55:59 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?

Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?

He is exceptional J70.

Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.

His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years

Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game heíd need to have speed and strength to get through it.

Are you sure it was Darragh? Thereís another son Ruairi who was playing for St Ciaranís last year in a final as far as I know.

Darragh is an exceptional talent. Obviously thereíll be comparisons with his Da but heíll be an excellent player in his own right.

Must have been then, they won after extra time I think
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on October 29, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
Was listening to Brendan Devenney and Colm Cavanagh on Off the Ball yesterday. Conor McKenna too.

Apparently the Donegal-Tyrone league game was the first game Tyrone played since the spring.

Surely THAT was a factor in them losing the game?

Methinks the Tyrone boys are being a wee bit cute here with the defeatism.

McBrearty still a doubt for us too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on October 29, 2020, 05:25:05 PM
Was listening to Brendan Devenney and Colm Cavanagh on Off the Ball yesterday. Conor McKenna too.

Apparently the Donegal-Tyrone league game was the first game Tyrone played since the spring.

Surely THAT was a factor in them losing the game?

Methinks the Tyrone boys are being a wee bit cute here with the defeatism.

McBrearty still a doubt for us too.

Tyrone are almost certain to be missing five starters from last year's AI SF with Kerry.

Hampsey
R Brennan
Cassidy
R Donnelly
McShane

There's 2 all stars in there and Brennan has been our best defender over the last 18 months. We are down a load of players. Donegal are strong favourites and that is reflected in the odds.

6 when you actually include Cavanagh too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on October 30, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled  (almost) on the eve  of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.

I didn't know he could hurl as well. 


https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2020, 08:01:30 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled  (almost) on the eve  of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.

I didn't know he could hurl as well. 


https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)

Castleblaney man? Great hurling team
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Hound on October 31, 2020, 10:34:49 AM
Tyroneís appeal for the ref incident being heard today I believe.

12 week ban is too long imo, but I think there should be some ban. But not sure if the rules allow for a small ban, might be either 0 or 12.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on October 31, 2020, 11:56:11 AM
Any man know of any Ďstreamsí for todayís match, in lieu of not having Sky Sports or Virgin Media?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on October 31, 2020, 12:16:29 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled  (almost) on the eve  of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.

I didn't know he could hurl as well. 


https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)

Is Nudie not well or what?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Schkite on October 31, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled  (almost) on the eve  of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.

I didn't know he could hurl as well. 


https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)

Is Nudie not well or what?

He's been battling cancer the last couple of years. Not sure if it had been public knowledge but I only heard about it in an interview with him earlier in the summer. Back then he was still getting treatment, haven't heard anything more since but hopefully he's doing well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on October 31, 2020, 01:04:29 PM
Didnít hear that. Hope heís doing well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on October 31, 2020, 01:52:08 PM
Cavan just need to stay in touch here
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on October 31, 2020, 01:52:24 PM
Kiss of death
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on October 31, 2020, 02:00:32 PM
Any man know of any Ďstreamsí for todayís match, in lieu of not having Sky Sports or Virgin Media?
If you haven't got one yet, this might do you, stable so far.
cricfree.live/watchfeeds/index/112
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on October 31, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled  (almost) on the eve  of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.

I didn't know he could hurl as well. 


https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)

Is Nudie not well or what?

He's been battling cancer the last couple of years. Not sure if it had been public knowledge but I only heard about it in an interview with him earlier in the summer. Back then he was still getting treatment, haven't heard anything more since but hopefully he's doing well.
He's in the photo, life size vs the legend, looks alive and sprightly on the outside. I think it must be about 18 months or more  since he suddenly stopped the Northern Sound  co-commentry.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on October 31, 2020, 07:48:26 PM

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Hound on October 31, 2020, 08:20:24 PM
Tyrone manís ban upheld I hear.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: ONeill on October 31, 2020, 08:28:52 PM
That's some FF line.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:21:11 AM
A physically very big front eight in that Donegal line-up, apart from Brennan and O'Donnell.

Hopefully McBrearty is fit and that team starts.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 01:35:12 PM
Christ the night! Youíd think theyíd wipe the camera!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 01, 2020, 01:37:52 PM
You wouldn't put the dog out in that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 01:38:53 PM
Christ the night! Youíd think theyíd wipe the camera!

Itís blowing straight across the pitch into them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
You wouldn't put the dog out in that.

Teams could be out in worse before this is all over, given the tight schedule and need to have games played. We could see another Clones 1993 debacle.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 01, 2020, 01:43:37 PM
Christ the night! Youíd think theyíd wipe the camera!

Itís blowing straight across the pitch into them.
Whatabout rainx? You don't need wipers with rainx and a bit of wind.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: HiMucker on November 01, 2020, 01:45:17 PM
Christ the night! Youíd think theyíd wipe the camera!
Jesus it's ruining it for me!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Thought Tyrone would win this one.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 01:50:55 PM
Thought Tyrone would win this one.

Its only 20 minutes in!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 01:51:18 PM
Joe ďtwo yellowsĒ McQuillan living up to the name.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
Tyrone by far the better team so far. Donegal would want to get going soon. A five or six point lead will not be easy to claw back if they donít wake up. Murphy, McHugh etc not in it at all.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 01:57:22 PM
What a move!

Simple and effective football.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 01:57:36 PM
Kick out to the opposition 45, super goal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 01, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
What a kick out if it was intentional
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:04:15 PM
Much improved last ten since the water break.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 02:08:21 PM
McCurry and Burns playing well for Tyrone. Pitch in poor shape.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:09:53 PM
Physio on for that dive.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Ridiculous from both Brennan and McKernan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 02:10:21 PM
Tyrone 7 needs a kick in the hole.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:43 PM
Fair play to the Tyrone no 7. Takes a slight tap to the head, collapsed dramatically, but after treatment is going to heroically carry on
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 02:11:01 PM
Thatís a red. Joe bottles it again.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
Thatís a red. Joe bottles it again.

Should have been a red alright. Iíd be embarrassed if I was that tyrone player though
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on November 01, 2020, 02:11:37 PM
HT Donegal 1-5 Tyrone 0-6. As expected a tight and tense affair.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: JoG2 on November 01, 2020, 02:12:08 PM
Ridiculous from both Brennan and McKernan.

Tyrone will have to run through the correct concussion protocols and protect McKernan for that was a heavy hit to the head  :D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 01, 2020, 02:12:24 PM
Ridiculous from both Brennan and McKernan.
+1
McKernan feigned injury but Brennan could have easily got the road for that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 01, 2020, 02:12:33 PM
Looked like McKernon cracked his skull there, a brave lad to carry on  with not even a bandage,
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: clarshack on November 01, 2020, 02:12:45 PM
McKernan made the most of it but was still a slap to the side of the head. Red card all day long.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: 5times5times on November 01, 2020, 02:13:24 PM
Mckernan with his best tiernan mccann impression. Embarrassing.

Stupid from brennan but typical tyrone diving.. Joe losing the run of thr game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:14:27 PM
Embarrassing from McKiernan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 02:14:47 PM
No. 7 should get a red for that dive. Typical Tyrone..if it's not hair get ruffled, it's a tickle to the ear.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 01, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
Ridiculous from both Brennan and McKernan.
+1
McKernan feigned injury but Brennan could have easily got the road for that.
Thank god the officials are finally understanding the difference between a strike and a slap. Embarrasing from McKernan. Like the McCann incident all over again
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 02:15:21 PM
It might have been light but ultimately technically a strike and a straight red. Them's the rules.

Donegal lucky to be ahead, Tyrone only themselves to blame though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:15:55 PM
Somehow weíre two points up after not turning up for first 20 and gifting Tyrone a couple of points.

Need to up it in the second half. Itís going to be tight.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 01, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
Tyrone have no shame when it comes to that sort of diving. This is no surprise. Makes the slap all the more stupid from the Donegal player.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: omagh_gael on November 01, 2020, 02:16:34 PM
McKernan obviously over played it but 99% of players would go down there to highlight that. No question that's a red, Joe bottled that big time.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
Water break fucked Tyrone there. :)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 02:17:00 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident itís Joe McQuillan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 01, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
No. 7 should get a red for that dive. Typical Tyrone..if it's not hair get ruffled, it's a tickle to the ear.
Definitley not a McCann hair ruffle, more of an ear tickle.

Joe McQ did well not to fall for it,  though should have given yellow to both of them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 01, 2020, 02:17:25 PM
It might have been light but ultimately technically a strike and a straight red. Them's the rules.

Donegal lucky to be ahead, Tyrone only themselves to blame though.
Definition of a strike is 'hit forcibly and deliberately with one's hand'. Was it deliberate-Yes was it forceful- Absolutely not
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 02:20:03 PM
Fair play to McQuillan heís well used to Tyrone antics at this stage!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 02:20:51 PM
Regardless of McKernan going down, itís a red all day long.

But not with bottler Joe.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 02:21:46 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

Listen its a clear dive but it's a hit to the head regardless of force. Completely stupid thing to do. If brennan is banned for 12 weeks for touching a ref arm which is the rule then it's a straight red for a hit to the head. The ref completely bottled it. Either ignore it and play on or give a red. Don't make up the rules as you go along.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 02:21:53 PM
It might have been light but ultimately technically a strike and a straight red. Them's the rules.

Donegal lucky to be ahead, Tyrone only themselves to blame though.

Wise up - a tickle to the ear and if it's as if he's been hit by a brick. Catch a grip and call it out. Typical Tyrone, always at this diving trying to get men sent off.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:22:07 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident itís Joe McQuillan.

You go down for ages and then get physio attention. Don't make me laugh. It was seen anyway. All he's done is made himself look a diver.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

He made the most of it, but its a strike.

Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.

But I suppose you know best.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 01, 2020, 02:24:41 PM
Unfortunately we will he talking about Joe McQuillan in 40 minutes time. Itís his day. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 02:24:59 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident itís Joe McQuillan.

Are you for real? He lay down for 3 mins. Doctor out checking for concussion...ffs.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 01, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
A strike and a red for me. McKernanís antics were a joke too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:25:31 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

Listen its a clear dive but it's a hit to the head regardless of force. Completely stupid thing to do. If brennan is banned for 12 weeks for touching a ref arm which is the rule then it's a straight red for a hit to the head. The ref completely bottled it. Either ignore it and play on or give a red. Don't make up the rules as you go along.

There's a big difference between touching a ref and touching a player. Why would you even compare the two incidents?

It's interesting how the tyronies are demanding red and everyone else is ridiculing the Tyrone player for taking the dive
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: SouthDublinBro on November 01, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
That Brennan lad coughed up posession all game and then nearly cost his team the game for no good reason. I wouldn't be too worried of Donegal competing in the later stages of the championship if he is a starter.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 01, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
It's time to pen an original tribute to the bould Joe, beginning with

"Hey Joe, where you goin' with that card in your hand?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: skeog on November 01, 2020, 02:26:25 PM
Straight red end of story Mc Quillan again bottled it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:26:40 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident itís Joe McQuillan.

Are you for real? He lay down for 3 mins. Doctor out checking for concussion...ffs.

Doctor hasn't the benefit of tv cameras that you have sitting at home. For all he knows it could be closed fist.

Closed fist or not, its a strike to the head and a red card.

Jarlath burns is right, Donegal have got away with one
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 02:26:45 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident itís Joe McQuillan.

Wise up. Yer man should be embarrassed with himself. Doesnít mean it shouldnít have been a red. McQuillan a bad ref. Missed a blatant check bu one of the tyrone backs too
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 02:27:03 PM
Unfortunately we will he talking about Joe McQuillan in 40 minutes time. Itís his day.

McQuillan ruins every game he gets. Every game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:27:06 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

He made the most of it, but its a strike.

Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.

But I suppose you know best.

A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 02:27:11 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident itís Joe McQuillan.

You go down for ages and then get physio attention. Don't make me laugh. It was seen anyway. All he's done is made himself look a diver.

If thatís what it takes. The other option i suppose with the big hard men on here is to be manly and smack him back?? Is that what we expect? Brennan should have been sent off. The ref bottled it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 02:27:31 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

Listen its a clear dive but it's a hit to the head regardless of force. Completely stupid thing to do. If brennan is banned for 12 weeks for touching a ref arm which is the rule then it's a straight red for a hit to the head. The ref completely bottled it. Either ignore it and play on or give a red. Don't make up the rules as you go along.

There's a big difference between touching a ref and touching a player. Why would you even compare the two incidents?

It's interesting how the tyronies are demanding red and everyone else is ridiculing the Tyrone player for taking the dive

Iím not a Tyronie. It was red.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 02:29:30 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

He made the most of it, but its a strike.

Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.

But I suppose you know best.

A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.

Who said its not a red. The 2 commentors on the match and the 3 commentators at half time all said its a red.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:29:54 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident itís Joe McQuillan.

You go down for ages and then get physio attention. Don't make me laugh. It was seen anyway. All he's done is made himself look a diver.

If thatís what it takes. The other option i suppose with the big hard men on here is to be manly and smack him back?? Is that what we expect? Brennan should have been sent off. The ref bottled it.

No. The other option was to not react to a slight tap and use it as motivation for the rest of the game.

Tyrone are well able to dish out the verbals. Put the ball over the bar and let the marker know about it is another option
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:30:28 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

He made the most of it, but its a strike.

Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.

But I suppose you know best.

A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.

Who? BBC was unanimous in saying its a red.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 02:32:41 PM
The pitch is in very bad shape.

I'd have thought all pitches, after the summer, would be in top quality shape.  I understand that there was probably county s/f's and finals played on it but it's not in great shape.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:36:45 PM
A pair of poor wides from Murphy and Brennan there. McGonigle missed another right at the start of the half too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:37:07 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

He made the most of it, but its a strike.

Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.

But I suppose you know best.

A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.

Who? BBC was unanimous in saying its a red.

RTE. Lots of ex players on twitter saying same.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 02:37:14 PM
It's the home pitch for Mcchumaills gaa, so all underage from u6 to u18 boys and girls plus 3 adult teams need to be accommodated too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
And thereís the goal. Inevitable something like that was going to happen at some point to either side.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Itís no day for pissing about with the ball in your full back line.

Canít understand why Donegal donít put Murphy at FF.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: The Hill is Blue on November 01, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
No matter what the result of this game might be Tyrone will be in with at least one serious chance of an Oscar nomination.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 02:40:25 PM
It's the home pitch for Mcchumaills gaa, so all underage from u6 to u18 boys and girls plus 3 adult teams need to be accommodated too.

And? Same as most other pitches around Ireland.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 02:41:27 PM
I donít know which is more embarrassing, the player going down like his was hit by a bus or the Tyrone ones defending him going down.

Common sense refereeing for a change
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: JoG2 on November 01, 2020, 02:43:47 PM
It's the home pitch for Mcchumaills gaa, so all underage from u6 to u18 boys and girls plus 3 adult teams need to be accommodated too.

And? Same as most other pitches around Ireland.

You do realise it rarely stops raining in Ireland this time of year??
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 02:43:54 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

No but ruffling a mans hair apparently is!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 02:43:57 PM
Tyrone wasting an awful lot of attacks.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 01, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.

A strike. Hahahaha

He made the most of it, but its a strike.

Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.

But I suppose you know best.

A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.

Who? BBC was unanimous in saying its a red.

RTE. Lots of ex players on twitter saying same.
?
Tomas ” Sť said if a yellow was given for a strike then it should have been a red. OíRourke didnít say much other than Brennan was very foolish.

They both mocked McKernanís antics too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:48:53 PM
Tyrone wasting an awful lot of attacks.

Donegal mistakes are keeping Tyrone in it. Gifted a goal by Donegal. No obvious tactic when they're attacking.

The absurdity of water breaks in November is obvious today. Should never have been allowed in the championship
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 02:49:19 PM
Decent game given the circumstances Donegal playing well this second half and bar the goal should be relatively comfortable. Tyrone not finished yet though itís setup a good finish!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 02:53:03 PM
The amount of ball Tyrone giving away is criminal...under no pressure.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:53:48 PM
This is turning into a lottery of spilled ball
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 02:56:00 PM
Mark Bradley is making a big difference for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 02:56:22 PM
I didnít realise Peter Harte was on until that score!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 02:56:30 PM
Tyrone are going to steal this.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:56:55 PM
Touched it on the ground clearing it. Penalty.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 02:58:37 PM
Donegal seem to have more difficulty hanging on to the ball in possession. Dropping passes and mis-handling. Patton also not playing well either.
Fancy Tyrone to edge this one. Their subs are making the difference.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?

Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 03:00:54 PM
McQuillan giving all the soft ones to Donegal now. Was just was just biding his time.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 01, 2020, 03:02:43 PM
McQuillan giving all the soft ones to Donegal now. Was just was just biding his time.
McKiernan channeling his inner Tiernan McCann earlier. Should get a ban for that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 03:02:50 PM
Great effort from both sides. Frank Burns putting in some shift. Donegal winning every kick out.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 03:04:55 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?

Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?

Was it to the head?
If youre talking about the Ritchie donnelly one it wasn't to the head, it was to the body. Still brought the doctors and all on though.

If its another incident you're on about and it was to the head then yes its a red.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 01, 2020, 03:05:38 PM
Tyrone kicking the ball too much.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 03:06:42 PM
Dangerous game here for Donegal. Carrying it too many times into the tackle.
4mins of stoppage
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 03:07:06 PM
Joe deciding Donegal players can have 12 steps and a free at the end of it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 03:07:49 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?

Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?

Was it to the head?
If youre talking about the Ritchie donnelly one it wasn't to the head, it was to the body. Still brought the doctors and all on though.

If its another incident you're on about and it was to the head then yes its a red.

A strike is a strike. Donegal player pays the price for being too honest
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 01, 2020, 03:11:02 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
Red for the diver would have been more appropriate.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Tatler Jack on November 01, 2020, 03:11:16 PM
Donegal got more soft score able frees. In a close game the ref made a difference. Great credit to both sides for an entertaining game in terrible conditions
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 03:12:10 PM
Good and deserved win for Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 01, 2020, 03:12:16 PM
Tight margins in this game, it could have gone either way. One difference was the ever presence of Murphy in the last 1/3 of the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:12:38 PM
Joe McQuillan decided to give Michael Murphy the whistle in that second half.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:12:48 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them theyíll be a handful for anyone!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on November 01, 2020, 03:13:02 PM
Donegal 1-13 Tyrone 1-11. Deserved winners, Murphy to the fore in that win.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Joe McQuillan decided to give Michael Murphy the whistle in that second half.

Oh look Angelo crying about the referee again ::) ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 01, 2020, 03:13:23 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
Murphy has too much self respect to even acknowledge that tap
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.

He had a dig at him first though. Not sure if he connected with Murphy or punched the ball against his face.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 03:13:36 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?

Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?

Was it to the head?
If youre talking about the Ritchie donnelly one it wasn't to the head, it was to the body. Still brought the doctors and all on though.

If its another incident you're on about and it was to the head then yes its a red.

A strike is a strike. Donegal player pays the price for being too honest

You really can't compare the two incidents and any attempt to draw equivalence shows you either don't know the rules or you are showing bias.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
Lot of soft frees to see Donegal home. Murphy as usual..untouchable....ie no-one is allowed to touch him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 01, 2020, 03:14:12 PM
Always good to see them Tyrone ones gone.  ;)
In all seriousness, fair play to both sides, very enjoyable game in that weather. Donegal very impressive and all their forwards will take some stopping.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 03:14:21 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.

I agree. But slaps to the head are no longer red card offences apparently.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: omagh_gael on November 01, 2020, 03:14:25 PM
Was that McGeary mouthing bringing that second last score in for donegal? He gave away two stupid frees in the first half as well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 03:14:30 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.

A strike is a strike. Has to be facing a retrospective ban for it. At least he won't have to worry missing a game next week through concussion even if he isn't suspended
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:14:59 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them theyíll be a handful for anyone!

Nice unbiased contribution as usual.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 01, 2020, 03:15:05 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
Murphy has too much self respect to even acknowledge that tap

Seen that. Wonder what mental gymnastics the Tyrone ones will come up with to justify it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: redzone on November 01, 2020, 03:15:12 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?

Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?

Was it to the head?
If youre talking about the Ritchie donnelly one it wasn't to the head, it was to the body. Still brought the doctors and all on though.

If its another incident you're on about and it was to the head then yes its a red.

A strike is a strike. Donegal player pays the price for being too honest
Was no were near his head, why make something completely up
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Few observations following the match

Winter football is a horrendous idea.
Mcquillan is (still) a horrible ref.
Tyrone are exactly where I thought they are.
Donegal played well but not as far on as I thought.
Tierarn McCann and Conor Meyler need to go.
Michael Murphy is always beside the ref following an incident.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:15:29 PM
Lot of soft frees to see Donegal home. Murphy as usual..untouchable....ie no-one is allowed to touch him.

He was yellow carded in the first half early on
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2020, 03:15:35 PM
Throne are out in the first round although they stayed in the championship even longer than 2005.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 01, 2020, 03:15:44 PM
Most Tyrone supporters bad losers, somethings never change.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 03:16:07 PM
Think we just about deserved it in the end after a poor start.

Good game considering the conditions.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: clarshack on November 01, 2020, 03:16:23 PM
McCann and McKernan with about 5 really bad wides between them in the 2nd half proved costly.
McQuillan an embarrassment of a referee as well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: From the Bunker on November 01, 2020, 03:17:47 PM
Out of the championship on the 1st of November. The only consolation for Tyrone is that the winter is short this year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:18:13 PM
Tyrone gave away the ball time after time in the second half Morgan bombing kicks on the Donegal half back line which they kept winning.

Donegal owned the ball in the second half and weíre deserved winners!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:18:55 PM
Harte out?

This was supposed to be his last year anyway was it not?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.

He had a dig at him first though. Not sure if he connected with Murphy or punched the ball against his face.

Think he just punched the Ball out of his hand
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: The Hill is Blue on November 01, 2020, 03:19:49 PM
Fair dues to both teams. A great game in terrible conditions.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 03:20:03 PM
Tyrone were gifted a goal and still lost by 2 points. Lack of leadership up front for Tyrone. At least McKenna and Canavan tried. Harte might as well have been sitting in the stand. He would have got to stay dry and would have been as effective as he was on the pitch
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: illdecide on November 01, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
Angelo what about Micky Harte? Sack him? should never have been reappointed ;). Out of his depth. Hasn't a clue (Sorry to the rest of you Tyrone boyo's)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:21:40 PM
Tyrone had so many goal chances in that second half.

Bradley and Harte had two wonderful opportunities for goals but took the points.

Really frustrating, Tyrone kicked it away.

It was a mental decision to withdraw McCurry that early too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 03:21:47 PM
Murphy has been refereeing matches for years now. He's just unfortunate refs fear Dublin and Kerry more than him.

How many soft frees did Doneagl get in that second half. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 01, 2020, 03:22:17 PM
Few observations following the match

Winter football is a horrendous idea.
Mcquillan is (still) a horrible ref.
Tyrone are exactly where I thought they are.
Donegal played well but not as far on as I thought.
Tierarn McCann and Conor Meyler need to go.
Michael Murphy is always beside the ref following an incident.

Conditions had a huge effect, Donegal were impressive enough I thought. Meyler done rightly I thought, didnít see much of McHugh
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Eire90 on November 01, 2020, 03:22:24 PM
That was a great game the reason for intensity and hype was cause its knockout time for gaa to back to knockout and for those  that moan knockout aint fair and too harsh well have two all  ireland series per year a spring all ireland an an autumn all ireland.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Newbridge Exile on November 01, 2020, 03:22:28 PM
Its hard to beat knockout championship football, fair play to both teams in those conditions.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2020, 03:23:19 PM
No sign of McBrearty either.

Wonder will he be back for two weeks time?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 03:23:31 PM
Harte anonymous again, but McCurry the man hooked. Typical.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 01, 2020, 03:23:31 PM
Harte out?

This was supposed to be his last year anyway was it not?

Banty will be available shortly I'd highly recommend him as Hartes replacement.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 01, 2020, 03:25:38 PM
I hope somebody has told Mickey about the change in the rules, re the absence of the back door.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
That was a great game the reason for intensity and hype was cause its knockout time for gaa to back to knockout and for those  that moan knockout aint fair and too harsh well have two all  ireland series per year a spring all ireland an an autumn all ireland.

Should have been on Friday night though, would have made it a better game!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:27:46 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can you back that up? They can notify the referee of what they have seen.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 03:29:28 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:30:48 PM
Odd that some Derrymen are more interested in this game than one involving their own county.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 01, 2020, 03:32:10 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can you back that up? They can notify the referee of what they have seen.
2.1 POWERS OF UMPIRES
 The Umpires shall decide if a score is made, or
if the ball has crossed the endline for a wide, or
for a 45m or 65m free, subject to Rule 1.1 (v)
above.
2.2 DUTIES OF UMPIRES
(i) The Umpires shall signal their decisions as
follows:
 (a) A 45m free in Football or a 65m free in
Hurling by raising an arm upright, and then
pointing directly infield, at the place where
the ball passed over the endline.
 (b) A wide by crossing both arms above the
head.
 (c) A score by raising a green flag for a goal
or a white flag for a point, in front of the
scoring space.
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 (d) A decision to disallow a score by crossing
the flags at the centre of the scoring space.
(ii) The Umpires shall bring to the notice of
the referee, during a break in play, any
instances of foul play in particular, rough or
dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or
unauthorised incursions onto the field of play,
which have not been noticed by the Referee.

Umpires have no power to call fouls in a game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 01, 2020, 03:35:05 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
False
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:36:20 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can you back that up? They can notify the referee of what they have seen.

I can back it up yes, umpire can be questioned on a personal foul. Thatís it. The ref would need to blow his whistle for something then speak to his umpires. It didnít happen and thats that!

Some armchair refs about  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 01, 2020, 03:37:13 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them theyíll be a handful for anyone!

Not sure if this is a wind up or are you entirely blinded by bias but neither side was ever comfortable in that game and to suggest such isn't credible.

Anyway, it was a great battle in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Very small margins in the end and ultimately Donegal's decision taking and discipline was that bit better and that got them across the line. Their leaders were to the fore and the rest of the team followed their example. The score to put them 2 up at the end was a great example, a player standing up and taking responsibility.

For Tyrone the likes of Donnelly and Harte were too peripheral, two hugely talented players that Mickey has generally struggled to deploy effectively over the years. And similarly, other players too often took the wrong option in promising positions. Time for a change in Tyrone.

Donegal deserved it, just, and all the best to them in the weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:37:30 PM
Odd that some Derrymen are more interested in this game than one involving their own county.

Derry game isnít on for another 25 minutes lad!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:38:10 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.

Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:41:08 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them theyíll be a handful for anyone!

Not sure if this is a wind up or are you entirely blinded by bias but neither side was ever comfortable in that game and to suggest such isn't credible.

Anyway, it was a great battle in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Very small margins in the end and ultimately Donegal's decision taking and disciple was that bit better and that got them across the line. Their leaders were to the fore and the rest of the team followed their example. The score to put them 2 up at the end was a great example, a player standing up and taking responsibility.

For Tyrone the likes of Donnelly and Harte were too peripheral, two hugely talented players that Mickey has generally struggled to deploy effectively over the years. And similarly, other players too often took the wrong option in promising positions. Time for a change in Tyrone.

Donegal deserved it, just, and all the best to them in the weeks ahead.

You can excuse Donnelly today as he was tasked with doing a number on Murphy which he did well so it was naturally going to take away from his game but Peter Harte was so disappointing. He scored a point in the second half when they goal was really on and I'd forgotten he was on the pitch until that point.

Look, conditions today were appalling so you've got to give some leeway but it was yet another very disappointing big day from Harte. When you take McCurry off when he was playing so well.......questions have to be asked. I don't think it's to do with favouritism for Peter Harte, he has the ability so that's why you leave him on but he really needs to give more in big games. McKenna was very poor and was also left on. But McCurry and Kennedy really should not have been taken off today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:42:12 PM
Odd that some Derrymen are more interested in this game than one involving their own county.

Derry game isnít on for another 25 minutes lad!

I know that but I also know your form, not an unusual occurrence for you chaps to be stalking the Tyrone forums.

It's an unusual obsession.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 03:45:09 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.

Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing

Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.

If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 01, 2020, 03:46:09 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them theyíll be a handful for anyone!

Not sure if this is a wind up or are you entirely blinded by bias but neither side was ever comfortable in that game and to suggest such isn't credible.

Anyway, it was a great battle in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Very small margins in the end and ultimately Donegal's decision taking and disciple was that bit better and that got them across the line. Their leaders were to the fore and the rest of the team followed their example. The score to put them 2 up at the end was a great example, a player standing up and taking responsibility.

For Tyrone the likes of Donnelly and Harte were too peripheral, two hugely talented players that Mickey has generally struggled to deploy effectively over the years. And similarly, other players too often took the wrong option in promising positions. Time for a change in Tyrone.

Donegal deserved it, just, and all the best to them in the weeks ahead.

You can excuse Donnelly today as he was tasked with doing a number on Murphy which he did well so it was naturally going to take away from his game but Peter Harte was so disappointing. He scored a point in the second half when they goal was really on and I'd forgotten he was on the pitch until that point.

Look, conditions today were appalling so you've got to give some leeway but it was yet another very disappointing big day from Harte. When you take McCurry off when he was playing so well.......questions have to be asked. I don't think it's to do with favouritism for Peter Harte, he has the ability so that's why you leave him on but he really needs to give more in big games. McKenna was very poor and was also left on. But McCurry and Kennedy really should not have been taken off today.

I wasn't having a go at Donnelly, I was questioning the decision to deploy him there. We lost his talent and influence in the area of the field where he is at his most effective. And Murphy still had big impact on the game. It was a poor decision by the management.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can you back that up? They can notify the referee of what they have seen.
2.1 POWERS OF UMPIRES
 The Umpires shall decide if a score is made, or
if the ball has crossed the endline for a wide, or
for a 45m or 65m free, subject to Rule 1.1 (v)
above.
2.2 DUTIES OF UMPIRES
(i) The Umpires shall signal their decisions as
follows:
 (a) A 45m free in Football or a 65m free in
Hurling by raising an arm upright, and then
pointing directly infield, at the place where
the ball passed over the endline.
 (b) A wide by crossing both arms above the
head.
 (c) A score by raising a green flag for a goal
or a white flag for a point, in front of the
scoring space.
26
 (d) A decision to disallow a score by crossing
the flags at the centre of the scoring space.
(ii) The Umpires shall bring to the notice of
the referee, during a break in play, any
instances of foul play in particular, rough or
dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or
unauthorised incursions onto the field of play,
which have not been noticed by the Referee.

Umpires have no power to call fouls in a game

Fair enough but in decisions as clearcut as that it's fairly ridiculous that umpires can't assist the referee.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Gold on November 01, 2020, 03:46:48 PM
Harte anonymous again, but McCurry the man hooked. Typical.

Unbelievable call. I'd never take McCurry off. He was lethal in 1st half, hadn't seen the ball for 1st 15 of 2nd half but not his fault

Likewise taking Canavan off...why?!

Absolute lottery in that weather to be fair.

The 2x sunbed boys shooting wides repeatedly didn't help, ego getting in the way of passing to the scorers.

That dive and holding face and getting an ice pack tio the hesd after a clip to back of head was stomach churning

Disappointed not to be seeing Canavan,  McCurry,  Bradley and McKenna again this year though

Donegal were helped massively by Tyrone being indisciplined...the 2 frees brought forward were criminal
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 03:49:13 PM
As a neutral, well as neutral as I could be, I was very surprised that both McCurry and Canavan were taken off.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:51:14 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them theyíll be a handful for anyone!

Not sure if this is a wind up or are you entirely blinded by bias but neither side was ever comfortable in that game and to suggest such isn't credible.

Anyway, it was a great battle in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Very small margins in the end and ultimately Donegal's decision taking and disciple was that bit better and that got them across the line. Their leaders were to the fore and the rest of the team followed their example. The score to put them 2 up at the end was a great example, a player standing up and taking responsibility.

For Tyrone the likes of Donnelly and Harte were too peripheral, two hugely talented players that Mickey has generally struggled to deploy effectively over the years. And similarly, other players too often took the wrong option in promising positions. Time for a change in Tyrone.

Donegal deserved it, just, and all the best to them in the weeks ahead.

You can excuse Donnelly today as he was tasked with doing a number on Murphy which he did well so it was naturally going to take away from his game but Peter Harte was so disappointing. He scored a point in the second half when they goal was really on and I'd forgotten he was on the pitch until that point.

Look, conditions today were appalling so you've got to give some leeway but it was yet another very disappointing big day from Harte. When you take McCurry off when he was playing so well.......questions have to be asked. I don't think it's to do with favouritism for Peter Harte, he has the ability so that's why you leave him on but he really needs to give more in big games. McKenna was very poor and was also left on. But McCurry and Kennedy really should not have been taken off today.

I wasn't having a go at Donnelly, I was questioning the decision to deploy him there. We lost his talent and influence in the area of the field where he is at his most effective. And Murphy still had big impact on the game. It was a poor decision by the management.

I'd agree on Donnelly. You look at our main men - Donnelly, Harte, McKenna - we didn't get anything really from them today. The conditions have to be factored in and you can certainly give McKenna a pass. Harte is the one that deserves the most criticism, he just didn't get going when we needed someone. McCurry and Kennedy were probably our best players at the point they were taken off. I thought McNamee and Burns had terrific games too and Meyler did a very good job on McHugh.

I don't think you can criticise any of them for effort but there were just too many basic mistakes. Look next year has been the obvious aim anyway, not many of us expected McKenna to make the instant impact he did, a fully fit McShane, a few more returning faces and some more additional talent in the mix and we're well set.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:53:24 PM
As a neutral, well as neutral as I could be, I was very surprised that both McCurry and Canavan were taken off.

Canavan I could more understand, it was later on and he had been pretty quiet bar the scores though you can make the point that he is capable of that. He's also younger and maybe not as well set for it.

McCurry though was instrumental for Tyrone in the first half, 3 scores, showing well and loads of the play coming through him - it was mental to haul him off.

Kennedy too was competing really well in the middle, almost by himself.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 03:56:30 PM
As a neutral, well as neutral as I could be, I was very surprised that both McCurry and Canavan were taken off.

Canavan I could more understand, it was later on and he had been pretty quiet bar the scores though you can make the point that he is capable of that. He's also younger and maybe not as well set for it.

McCurry though was instrumental for Tyrone in the first half, 3 scores, showing well and loads of the play coming through him - it was mental to haul him off.

Kennedy too was competing really well in the middle, almost by himself.

I was saying to my brother that the thought of McCurry up against our defence was giving me the fear. Heís a good player
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.

Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing

Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.

If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.

Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.

Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing

Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.

If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.

Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?

Strange that oisin and Peter both indicated that the umpire should have called it a penalty. Sure apparently you can change the rules on the pitch like Mcquillan did.

Also as per the rule

The umpire has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee

So the umpire could have called the ref at the next break in play and said a penalty occurred as the ball was touched on the ground. That's within the rules.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: StephenC on November 01, 2020, 04:07:11 PM
Great win for Donegal. It was a real day for grit and slogging, and fair play to both teams for the intensity and skill that they brought. The amount of turnovers by both sides was unreal. It wouldn't have been an injustice if Tyrone had won - it was that close.

Brennan should have got red - we were very lucky that he got away with it.
Tyrone will rue the goal chances in the last 10 min - especially Peter Hartes one.
Star men kept very quiet on both sides. That's as quiet as I've ever seen Ryan McHugh.
Our bench did well - Gallen, McGrath and McClean all contributed.
Thought our forwards made the difference - just a bit more composed and powerful than Tyrones.
The amount of times we needlesssly brought the ball into contact was infuriating - P. Brennan and McGonigle particularly guilty.
McMenamin's forearm touched the ball all right - strictly speaking a penalty but brilliant scramble defending.
Was surprised by the lack of offensive marks in the game.
Tyrone's discipline very costly - those 2 frees were huge.
Considering we had no McBrearty and lost Neil McGee at half-time, it was a great team performance.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 01, 2020, 04:09:01 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.

Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing

Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.

If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.

Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?

Strange that oisin and Peter both indicated that the umpire should have called it a penalty. Sure apparently you can change the rules on the pitch like Mcquillan did.

Also as per the rule

The umpire has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee

So the umpire could have called the ref at the next break in play and said a penalty occurred as the ball was touched on the ground. That's within the rules.
No. Foul play is not the same as calling technical fouls.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 04:12:22 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.

Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing

Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.

If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.

Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?

Strange that oisin and Peter both indicated that the umpire should have called it a penalty. Sure apparently you can change the rules on the pitch like Mcquillan did.

Also as per the rule

The umpire has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee

So the umpire could have called the ref at the next break in play and said a penalty occurred as the ball was touched on the ground. That's within the rules.
No. Foul play is not the same as calling technical fouls.
Fair comment, never thougtb about that. Tyrone rode Donegal a whole lot closer than I ever thought they would so I suppose those calls really stick out as they were the winning of the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 04:22:15 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.

Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.

Umpire canít call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasnít deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.

Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.

Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.

Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing

Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.

If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.

Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?

Strange that oisin and Peter both indicated that the umpire should have called it a penalty. Sure apparently you can change the rules on the pitch like Mcquillan did.

Also as per the rule

The umpire has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee

So the umpire could have called the ref at the next break in play and said a penalty occurred as the ball was touched on the ground. That's within the rules.

Osin and peter to be fair to them are not referees, and their interpretation of the rules shows their lack of knowledge on that, the referee blows for the fouls not linesmen or umpires, now can you accept that part?

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: thewobbler on November 01, 2020, 04:43:21 PM
Isnít it an awful f**king shame that Rory Gallagher still gets work?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 04:45:14 PM
Isnít it an awful f**king shame that Rory Gallagher still gets work?

What do you mean Ďworkí? Are you implying heís being paid?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Hound on November 01, 2020, 05:04:46 PM
Fair dues to both teams. A great game in terrible conditions.
+1

Pity Tyrone didnít just take their points in injury time, instead of lobbing a heap of balls in. Pretty sure they would have got the draw and we all could have had an extra 20 minutes of it. Not that Donegal were undeserving winners.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 01, 2020, 05:12:15 PM
Isnít it an awful f**king shame that Rory Gallagher still gets work?

What do you mean Ďworkí? Are you implying heís being paid?
Doing it out of the goodness of his heart same as the rest of the managers ;) ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: currychip on November 01, 2020, 05:42:27 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant

You summed it up well.  You canít connect with a personís head, otherwise itís a red.  McKiernanís reaction was pathetic.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 05:45:37 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant

You summed it up well.  You canít connect with a personís head, otherwise itís a red.  McKiernanís reaction was pathetic.

So, by that definition should McKiernan been sent off for his Ďstrikeí on Murphy?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:52:50 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant

You summed it up well.  You canít connect with a personís head, otherwise itís a red.  McKiernanís reaction was pathetic.

So, by that definition should McKiernan been sent off for his Ďstrikeí on Murphy?

I missed it in live play but if he's stuck him on the head then yes.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 05:54:42 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant


McKernan struck the ball which then hit Murphy in the face if that's the incident being referred to. Not a red card.

Brennan's is a textbook red card.
You summed it up well.  You canít connect with a personís head, otherwise itís a red.  McKiernanís reaction was pathetic.

So, by that definition should McKiernan been sent off for his Ďstrikeí on Murphy?

I missed it in live play but if he's stuck him on the head then yes.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 05:56:22 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant

You summed it up well.  You canít connect with a personís head, otherwise itís a red.  McKiernanís reaction was pathetic.

So, by that definition should McKiernan been sent off for his Ďstrikeí on Murphy?

I missed it in live play but if he's stuck him on the head then yes.

He did.. but itís a red card for snowflakes.

He tapped Murphy on the face/head area after he punched ball out of his arm Angelo, you missed it no doubt
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 01, 2020, 06:06:35 PM
Canít be bothered reading back through the last numbers of pages.
McKernan made a meal of it tho technically should have been red. No complaints with the yellow considering.
Thought it was a really good game in terrible conditions. There was always going to be handling errors, misplaced passes etc and there were plenty. But lacked nothing in the physical stakes. If the rest o the championship holds up to the same levels, a winter AI might not be too bad.

For Tyrone, we werenít far away against a strong Donegal side that I think will do well. Plenty to look forward to next year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: illdecide on November 01, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Armagh just laboured over the line but i'll take that all day long. Have a mammoth task to try and defeat this Donegal team. Tyrone and Donegal would be the 2 best teams in Ulster so Armagh have it all to do. On the flip side there will be little pressure on them as Donegal will be red hot favourites. Will this game be in Clones? And is it safe to assume it's in two weeks time?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 06:34:00 PM
Armagh just laboured over the line but i'll take that all day long. Have a mammoth task to try and defeat this Donegal team. Tyrone and Donegal would be the 2 best teams in Ulster so Armagh have it all to do. On the flip side there will be little pressure on them as Donegal will be red hot favourites. Will this game be in Clones? And is it safe to assume it's in two weeks time?

Yes two weeks away.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: greatpoint on November 01, 2020, 08:28:48 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on November 01, 2020, 08:31:21 PM
Mixed feelings towards that Armagh game. 

Armagh again showing they are incompetent of putting the game beyond doubt when its all in their favour, Donegal will tear them apart if they give them the 10/15mins of a purple patch Armagh seem to be allowing teams at the moment.   

Their forward line as expected firing on all cylinders, and their defence looked more assured and confident.  Iím not sure if the bad conditions favour the Armagh backline, but they looked good today.

Derry were ok and showed glimpses, but even when they taken the game back to a point their body language said gave the impression they would not win. 

Some great scores from both sides also considering. 

On the Mc Kernan incident, I think itís a bit of gamesmanship taken to a new level and takes away from the ethos of the game.  Iím sure he will look back on that with a bit of embarrassment/disappointment.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: lenny on November 01, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
Armagh just laboured over the line but i'll take that all day long. Have a mammoth task to try and defeat this Donegal team. Tyrone and Donegal would be the 2 best teams in Ulster so Armagh have it all to do. On the flip side there will be little pressure on them as Donegal will be red hot favourites. Will this game be in Clones? And is it safe to assume it's in two weeks time?

Thought the 2 keepers were very good but blaine hughes in particular was excellent. His kickouts were brilliant.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on November 01, 2020, 08:35:03 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?

Honestly, imho underwhelming, was keeping an eye for him to see what extra he brought to the team, but nothing special.  A solid league next year should be more of an indication of how important he will be for Derry. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: greatpoint on November 01, 2020, 08:50:41 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?

Honestly, imho underwhelming, was keeping an eye for him to see what extra he brought to the team, but nothing special.  A solid league next year should be more of an indication of how important he will be for Derry.

I thought he was from Tyrone?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: kerryforsam20 on November 01, 2020, 08:54:37 PM
No. 7 should get a red for that dive. Typical Tyrone..if it's not hair get ruffled, it's a tickle to the ear.

In fairness a few Donegal not shy to hold the head when been tackled.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 09:02:26 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?

Honestly, imho underwhelming, was keeping an eye for him to see what extra he brought to the team, but nothing special.  A solid league next year should be more of an indication of how important he will be for Derry.

I thought he was from Tyrone?

McKenna in tyrone and Glass in Derry
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 10:23:15 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?

Honestly, imho underwhelming, was keeping an eye for him to see what extra he brought to the team, but nothing special.  A solid league next year should be more of an indication of how important he will be for Derry.

I thought he was from Tyrone?

McKenna in tyrone and Glass in Derry

I'd give them lads another 6 months and see what tbey're like then.  Unfair to judge them niw and them only back a few weeks.

They'll be decent assets I'd imagine when they settle into it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 11:03:02 PM
I thought it was a risk that didnít pay off playing Glass he hasnít had enough game time.

Give him a few months of training and Club football and I think he could be a force for us but he was thrown in there and wasnít ready for Championship.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: phpearse on November 02, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
Just thought Donegal closed that game out yesterday very well. We got them back level, 1-9 apiece and then two great scores to win the match. Their goal and the last two points meant they were deserving winners on the day. That said Tyrone could have won. The two frees brought forward were criminal. In a game of small margins those were give aways. Tyrone were scrambling in the final 10 minutes, Donegal showed more composure and their bigger more powerful men were better in the conditions.

Donegal have a right chance this year. Pity the likes of Dublin or Kerry don't have to travel to Ballybofey for a knock out Championship match in the mud and rain. That would test them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tbrick18 on November 02, 2020, 10:34:47 AM
I thought it was a risk that didnít pay off playing Glass he hasnít had enough game time.

Give him a few months of training and Club football and I think he could be a force for us but he was thrown in there and wasnít ready for Championship.

We don't have enough in terms of big strong athletic players and I'd say the thinking was he could compete physically with the more imposing Armagh players. Glass did Ok. Would we have anyone who would have done any better at MF?
I'd have been tempted to throw glass into FF for 10 mins and kick some ball in on top of him to see what would happen.
If nothing else, it will help bring him on for next season.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 02, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 01:17:01 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?

I did.

One one level it was a stupid irresponsible thing to do and he should rise above it rather than take the bait. In addition it was taking a mans personal life into it.

However other people will say JB is giving out abuse so he has to expect to take some back no matter how low it is. Brolly has taken plenty of cuts at players. Doubt he will take another cut at McKernan when he sees what could be coming back.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 02, 2020, 01:22:49 PM
What did he say? Brolly has got very personal with insults anyway so can hardly complain if someone is doing it to him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: five points on November 02, 2020, 01:24:34 PM
What did he say? Brolly has got very personal with insults anyway so can hardly complain if someone is doing it to him.

Footage from a nightclub of a certain loudmouth pundit touching up a young one.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 02, 2020, 01:38:46 PM
Ah right. Probably not a great reaction but hard to have sympathy for Brolly with how he conducts himself.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 01:39:52 PM
Tbf like most of the Derry slabberers, Brolly went very quiet when he got a dose of his own back.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 02, 2020, 02:12:40 PM
I noticed Brolly had tweeted quite a bit during the match. Someone canít bear not to be in the limelight. Iím sure heíll try to have his own TV Twitter show for the rest of the championship. Everyone should just ignore the attention seeker.

By the way, what happened to him being on BBC NIís coverage? Hopefully thatís all fell through!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 02, 2020, 03:09:43 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?

I did.

One one level it was a stupid irresponsible thing to do and he should rise above it rather than take the bait. In addition it was taking a mans personal life into it.

However other people will say JB is giving out abuse so he has to expect to take some back no matter how low it is. Brolly has taken plenty of cuts at players. Doubt he will take another cut at McKernan when he sees what could be coming back.


For me if Brolly had made a personal attack on him then fair enough game. But did he not just call him out on diving and feigning injury unless I missed something else? I think it was a low enough act but maybe McKernan was projecting outwards his anger at what he did himself.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 03:22:50 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?

I did.

One one level it was a stupid irresponsible thing to do and he should rise above it rather than take the bait. In addition it was taking a mans personal life into it.

However other people will say JB is giving out abuse so he has to expect to take some back no matter how low it is. Brolly has taken plenty of cuts at players. Doubt he will take another cut at McKernan when he sees what could be coming back.


For me if Brolly had made a personal attack on him then fair enough game. But did he not just call him out on diving and feigning injury unless I missed something else? I think it was a low enough act but maybe McKernan was projecting outwards his anger at what he did himself.

Yes it was the diving and feigning of injury from what I could see.

However he may have been sick of Brolly having a cut at Tyrone in general.

I guess only the man himself can answer that.

Either way I hope thats the end of it from both perspectives.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on November 02, 2020, 03:30:22 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?

I did.

One one level it was a stupid irresponsible thing to do and he should rise above it rather than take the bait. In addition it was taking a mans personal life into it.

However other people will say JB is giving out abuse so he has to expect to take some back no matter how low it is. Brolly has taken plenty of cuts at players. Doubt he will take another cut at McKernan when he sees what could be coming back.


For me if Brolly had made a personal attack on him then fair enough game. But did he not just call him out on diving and feigning injury unless I missed something else? I think it was a low enough act but maybe McKernan was projecting outwards his anger at what he did himself.

I agree, Brolly, like everyone else, is a mere spectator, commenting on the game as he sees it, McKeirnan response was juvenile and in haste most likely and uncalled for. 

 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 02, 2020, 08:18:45 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
There was no strike with the hand,  the ref Joe correctly deemed it to be a push with the hand, therefore a yellow.
The only mystery  is why Joe didn't give a yellow card to McKernan for blatantly feigning an injury.

I don't remember if tyronies actually thought the ref was correct to give a red card to Darren Hughes for his alleged "striking action"  on McCann  in that infamous  day in croke park?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
I firmly believe he didnít red card him because the linesman/umpire or fourth official now, said thereís nothing in it and your man went down like he was hit by a bus!!

Maybe if Joe seen it first hand he might have sent him off.

 I hate sending someone off on someone elseís call, but itís ultimately the refs call, regardless of what the officials said, I believe.

If a Tyrone man had have been sent off for that weíd be into 2000 pages by now
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 02, 2020, 08:27:12 PM
Honestly, it looked to me to be much more in line with what Tyrone's Brennan did to Michael Murphy in the league game a few weeks ago than a "strike".
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 02, 2020, 08:54:34 PM
I firmly believe he didnít red card him because the linesman/umpire or fourth official now, said thereís nothing in it and your man went down like he was hit by a bus!!

Maybe if Joe seen it first hand he might have sent him off.

 I hate sending someone off on someone elseís call, but itís ultimately the refs call, regardless of what the officials said, I believe.

If a Tyrone man had have been sent off for that weíd be into 2000 pages by now
The linesman was closest to the situation so he probably was the bearer of the witness report to Joe. That meant  in all probability the linesman  said it wasn't a strike, therefore a push of sorts, still McKernan should have been carded as well.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: restorepride on November 02, 2020, 10:57:46 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
There was no strike with the hand,  the ref Joe correctly deemed it to be a push with the hand, therefore a yellow.
The only mystery  is why Joe didn't give a yellow card to McKernan for blatantly feigning an injury.

I don't remember if tyronies actually thought the ref was correct to give a red card to Darren Hughes for his alleged "striking action"  on McCann  in that infamous  day in croke park?
Blind leading the blind.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: nrico2006 on November 02, 2020, 11:50:54 PM
Joe Brolly got what he deserved.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2020, 08:13:08 AM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Canavan and Kennedy have both struggled with injuries recently. I'd say that combined with playing on such a heavy pitch was probably the main reason they were taken off. Not sure if there was much left in Kennedy in particular and we had struggled badly in the middle in the period before he went off.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Canavan and Kennedy have both struggled with injuries recently. I'd say that combined with playing on such a heavy pitch was probably the main reason they were taken off. Not sure if there was much left in Kennedy in particular and we had struggled badly in the middle in the period before he went off.

I thought Kennedy was our only presence in the middle of the pitch before being removed, it was a bad call. He may have been tiring but we missed him there when he went off and he had won an awful lot of ball in the middle of the pitch.

Kilpatrick was surely worth a run too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: twohands!!! on November 03, 2020, 10:25:38 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Canavan and Kennedy have both struggled with injuries recently. I'd say that combined with playing on such a heavy pitch was probably the main reason they were taken off. Not sure if there was much left in Kennedy in particular and we had struggled badly in the middle in the period before he went off.

Did Canavan not pick up a knock in a collision a few minutes before he went off ?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: redzone on November 03, 2020, 10:39:27 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.

I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day

Canavan and Kennedy have both struggled with injuries recently. I'd say that combined with playing on such a heavy pitch was probably the main reason they were taken off. Not sure if there was much left in Kennedy in particular and we had struggled badly in the middle in the period before he went off.

Did Canavan not pick up a knock in a collision a few minutes before he went off ?
He did indeed, was checked for concussion prior to being taken off
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Eire90 on November 07, 2020, 01:44:18 PM
Provincial championships are better and mean more when its knockout and no all Ireland backdoor
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rossfan on November 07, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
Antrim a point up at ht as Cavan look like they only had to turn up to wi  it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 07, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
Antrim a point up at ht as Cavan look like they only had to turn up to wi  it.

Antrim might buck up a bit now that the GAA, like Cromwell, are threatening to send them to Connacht.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
That was a clear penalty
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 07, 2020, 02:18:31 PM
That was a clear penalty

I thought so as well
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 02:28:21 PM
This is a shocking display from Cavan. Heads will roll if they lose this.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 07, 2020, 02:29:35 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 02:33:37 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.

Thatís true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rossfan on November 07, 2020, 02:34:08 PM
Cavan look the likely winners now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 02:57:07 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.

Thatís true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game

Not really that - too many wides.

You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.

Simple as.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 03:01:03 PM
Down seem to missing a few big players tomorrow?

Are D O'Hagan, R Johnston and Harrison still involved or injured? I'd fancy them to make the Ulster final if they had a full contingent.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 03:04:10 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.

Thatís true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game

Not really that - too many wides.

You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.

Simple as.

The strength and conditioning allows you to have the strength to kick a score, itís not all about breaking tackles, itís having the strength and conditioning to shoot or lay off the best ball.

But yes itís an area for any team to improve on
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 07, 2020, 03:08:28 PM
Down seem to missing a few big players tomorrow?

Are D O'Hagan, R Johnston and Harrison still involved or injured? I'd fancy them to make the Ulster final if they had a full contingent.
O'Hagan and Harrison are out for the season but Ryan Johnston will be on the panel tomorrow
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 03:14:56 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

It was a impossible call on that black card, the problem was it was a foul and a yellow but the call is a black due to taking him out..

Big call from ref and I think bar that one slight push on Paddy Gallagher on goal I thought he was excellent.

Cavan donít seem to be the team that plays well with the favourites tag so theyíll put this behind them and set themselves up for the next game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 07, 2020, 03:34:48 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Not sure what the lad could have done with that black.

Had he not turned his shoulder, the pair would have collided face to face.

There was no way to avoid that collision.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 04:22:22 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.

Thatís true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game

Not really that - too many wides.

You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.

Simple as.

The strength and conditioning allows you to have the strength to kick a score, itís not all about breaking tackles, itís having the strength and conditioning to shoot or lay off the best ball.

But yes itís an area for any team to improve on

What?

Are you saying you need S & C to kick a ball over the bar from 30 yards?

I've heard it all now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on November 07, 2020, 04:31:33 PM
Antrim to credit was well organised in defence and Cavan had to work hard for every score and the win. What happened in that league match against Wicklow? Going by that performance it makes no sense why Antrim conceded 7 goals against Wicklow.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.

Thatís true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game

Not really that - too many wides.

You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.

Simple as.

The strength and conditioning allows you to have the strength to kick a score, itís not all about breaking tackles, itís having the strength and conditioning to shoot or lay off the best ball.

But yes itís an area for any team to improve on

What?

Are you saying you need S & C to kick a ball over the bar from 30 yards?

I've heard it all now.
Well if youíre fucked after breaking a tackle or running at a team and not have the composure to kick it over the bar then youíre not fit enough, kicking a ball over the bar is easier when you are fit and have the strength in your legs, not sure how difficult that is to understand
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 05:23:28 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

It was a impossible call on that black card, the problem was it was a foul and a yellow but the call is a black due to taking him out..

Big call from ref and I think bar that one slight push on Paddy Gallagher on goal I thought he was excellent.

Cavan donít seem to be the team that plays well with the favourites tag so theyíll put this behind them and set themselves up for the next game.

Would've been a very soft penalty if it was gjven. Overall Cavan had just a bit more quality and antrim made life very difficult for us.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 05:25:39 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

It was a impossible call on that black card, the problem was it was a foul and a yellow but the call is a black due to taking him out..

Big call from ref and I think bar that one slight push on Paddy Gallagher on goal I thought he was excellent.

Cavan donít seem to be the team that plays well with the favourites tag so theyíll put this behind them and set themselves up for the next game.

Would've been a very soft penalty if it was gjven. Overall Cavan had just a bit more quality and antrim made life very difficult for us.

Yes soft, but just enough to reduce the shot, VAR was needed  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Seaney on November 07, 2020, 06:08:15 PM
See you do love them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 06:35:09 PM
See you do love them.


If there was a facepalm emoji here, Iíd use it for you. Stalker
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 06:58:15 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.

Thatís true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game

Not really that - too many wides.

You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.

Simple as.

The strength and conditioning allows you to have the strength to kick a score, itís not all about breaking tackles, itís having the strength and conditioning to shoot or lay off the best ball.

But yes itís an area for any team to improve on

What?

Are you saying you need S & C to kick a ball over the bar from 30 yards?

I've heard it all now.
Well if youíre fucked after breaking a tackle or running at a team and not have the composure to kick it over the bar then youíre not fit enough, kicking a ball over the bar is easier when you are fit and have the strength in your legs, not sure how difficult that is to understand

Omg.

Maybe that's why Antrim are in the place they're in - not enough practice on the basics of kicking the ball over the bar.

You see they got into the positions to kick it over the bar but the kicking was the problem...not the S&C.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 07, 2020, 11:03:31 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.

As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.

Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 07, 2020, 11:14:57 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.

As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.

Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
I didnít see the game but have heard and read a number of reports on it. All of them made reference to Antrim being the exact opposite of ďextremely economical up frontĒ. Interested how your view differs.
Have it recorded. Probably wonít watch it back.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 07, 2020, 11:27:10 PM
Cavan were more economical than Antrim, as the disposition of their inhabitants would suggest.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 07, 2020, 11:37:55 PM
On reflection, my understanding of a team being ďextremely economical up frontĒ is that the team wasted very few chances.
I suppose he might mean that Antrim didnít commit many men forward and played defensively, which is probably true but poorly worded.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 08, 2020, 02:31:42 AM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.

As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.

Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
I didnít see the game but have heard and read a number of reports on it. All of them made reference to Antrim being the exact opposite of ďextremely economical up frontĒ. Interested how your view differs.
Have it recorded. Probably wonít watch it back.

I said for a long time Antrim were economical up front. They made the most out of a small number of attacks in the first half. Scored 6 times from 8 shots is something like that. Cavan by comparison scored 5 times from probably 12 shots on goal. That difference kept Antrim in the game.

In the second half Antrim kicked a load of wides and missed a goal opportunity and the game drifted away slowly. I
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on November 08, 2020, 08:14:59 AM
I thought Antrim had control more in the second half, and definitely seemed to have more possession, but some of their decision making was poor and their shooting wasn't up to scratch either, but definitely progressive and lots of positive signs there.  Some work on the final third of the pitch and Antrim will be in a good place next year.   

Cavan seemed that bit more experienced and had taken the majority of their chances when it mattered most.  McKiernans catch in midfield, pass, support play and score was great to watch.  Simple, direct and a great score. 

For Cavan however, Antrim were very wasteful and they cannot afford to give their next round opponents the same level of possession on the ball, or they'll have an early winter  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 08, 2020, 09:44:09 AM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.

As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.

Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.

Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?

I fancy Fermanagh today,  they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 08, 2020, 10:33:37 AM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.

As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.

Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.

Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?

I fancy Fermanagh today,  they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Is a yellow and a black card not a red anyway or has that changed?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: FermGael on November 08, 2020, 11:09:02 AM
Funny game today .
Not a lot of chat about it .
Fermanagh missing 8 players from last year's starting team .
Down have won promotion from division 3 but have absentees of their own.
This won't be pretty , plenty of men behind the ball but I think Fermanagh could just shade it.  Midfield will be crucial and I think we hold the upper hand there.
Tomas Corrigan has shown definite signs that he is getting back to himself and if he can hit 6 or 7 points I think we will sneak it by a point or two
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 08, 2020, 11:35:07 AM
Funny game today .
Not a lot of chat about it .
Fermanagh missing 8 players from last year's starting team .
Down have won promotion from division 3 but have absentees of their own.
This won't be pretty , plenty of men behind the ball but I think Fermanagh could just shade it.  Midfield will be crucial and I think we hold the upper hand there.
Tomas Corrigan has shown definite signs that he is getting back to himself and if he can hit 6 or 7 points I think we will sneak it by a point or two

Its the fermanagh midfielder im most concerned about, they seem very strong there,  and its been a  major problem for Down this past few years lack of ability to win their own kick outs or even put pressure on opponents kick outs. However that said I hate conceding the opposition kicksout, but I think Down will do just that today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 12:02:28 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.

As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.

Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.

Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?

I fancy Fermanagh today,  they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Is a yellow and a black card not a red anyway or has that changed?

Yeah, Iím not sure he was yellow carded though in first place
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 08, 2020, 02:14:18 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.

As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.

Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.

Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?

I fancy Fermanagh today,  they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Is a yellow and a black card not a red anyway or has that changed?

Yeah, Iím not sure he was yellow carded though in first place

I don't think the yellow + black = red rule is there anymore although I xould be wrong. I'm almost certain gunner was booked in 1st half
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: delgany on November 08, 2020, 02:15:59 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.

Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.

As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.

Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.

Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?

I fancy Fermanagh today,  they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Is a yellow and a black card not a red anyway or has that changed?

Yeah, Iím not sure he was yellow carded though in first place

I don't think the yellow + black = red rule is there anymore although I xould be wrong. I'm almost certain gunner was booked in 1st half

Yellow and black = RED is still a rule
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 08, 2020, 02:19:33 PM
I hope this game gets better. Both teams are very poor.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: skeog on November 08, 2020, 02:26:12 PM
Turgid stuff.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tintin25 on November 08, 2020, 02:51:52 PM
Brutal tactics being deployed, particularly from Fermanagh - Donegal or Armagh would coast past either of these sides and Cavan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 08, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
Fermanagh have nothing up front. Completely toothless.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 08, 2020, 02:59:38 PM
Down have a few tidy enough players but not quite at the level of the top teams overall. Fermanagh have been like this for a few years - they lack real threat do have to set up ultra defensively.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tintin25 on November 08, 2020, 03:04:31 PM
Down have a few tidy enough players but not quite at the level of the top teams overall. Fermanagh have been like this for a few years - they lack real threat do have to set up ultra defensively.

Agree.  Down have always had handy,quick forwards.  Probably too harsh to judge McMenamin after this campaign but would be expecting much better next year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 08, 2020, 03:08:19 PM
With how many cases they had etc I would say he needs a good bit more time. Down and Cavan should be a much more interesting game - has the makings of a good one that. I maybe just fancy down but suspect theyíd be similar levels.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: FermGael on November 08, 2020, 03:39:24 PM
That was a bad a second half as I have seen from Fermanagh in quite a while.
We made Down look like world beaters.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: grounded on November 08, 2020, 03:42:48 PM
Brutal tactics being deployed, particularly from Fermanagh - Donegal or Armagh would coast past either of these sides and Cavan

Yep, not pretty to watch. Down much better the second half and crucially have a lot more pace.
      Donegal at full strength would definitely dispatch Down handy enough. Im not so sure about Armagh or Cavan(ive a feeling there at a similar level to Down). I guess next weekend will tell the tell.
      Unfortunately with Covid 19, key players could be missing. That could make all the difference
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: balladmaker on November 08, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
Given this weekends games, Armagh v Donegal shaping up to be the Ulster Final, with Donegal the Champions-Elect at this stage.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on November 08, 2020, 04:30:59 PM
Given this weekends games, Armagh v Donegal shaping up to be the Ulster Final, with Donegal the Champions-Elect at this stage.

Given how both games went, I would tend to agree.

Down seemed to have that bit more in them today, but based on the style of play employed, it would be more of a token final appearance between themselves and Cavan. 

Moooney sparked a bit of magic to create the goal which gave Down the impetus to kick on, but if they play a first half of football like that against Donegal/Armagh they are toast. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: SHEEDY on November 08, 2020, 04:38:32 PM
Given this weekends games, Armagh v Donegal shaping up to be the Ulster Final, with Donegal the Champions-Elect at this stage.

Given how both games went, I would tend to agree.

Down seemed to have that bit more in them today, but based on the style of play employed, it would be more of a token final appearance between themselves and Cavan. 

Moooney sparked a bit of magic to create the goal which gave Down the impetus to kick on, but if they play a first half of football like that against Donegal/Armagh they are toast. 

really sticking your necks out with the donegal prediction lads  ;)
Donegal are one of the top 5 teams in the country, the other 3 teams are not near their level.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 08, 2020, 06:24:06 PM
However, if Armagh stay in touch with Donegal they might just get a last minute goal, such things have been known to happen to top teams.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 06:30:38 PM
However, if Armagh stay in touch with Donegal they might just get a last minute goal, such things have been known to happen to top teams.

They need a night like Cork had
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: illdecide on November 08, 2020, 10:09:11 PM
I dunno lads, that Down team def can get better and if they beat Cavan they could be dangerous in the final. My worry for Cavan if they beat Down they'll be out four weeks on the trot and Ulster final could be too much and mighten have the legs for it.
If Armagh was to beat Donegal next Sat it would become a 50/50 final with either Cavan or Down but if Donegal win against Armagh they'll be hot favourites
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 09, 2020, 12:23:23 AM
I dunno lads, that Down team def can get better and if they beat Cavan they could be dangerous in the final. My worry for Cavan if they beat Down they'll be out four weeks on the trot and Ulster final could be too much and mighten have the legs for it.
If Armagh was to beat Donegal next Sat it would become a 50/50 final with either Cavan or Down but if Donegal win against Armagh they'll be hot favourites

Cavan have already been out 4 weeks on the trot, if they make the final it will be 6.

Down installed as favourites by the bookies which will suit Cavan fine I think. Few of our lads like niall Murray getting bit more into the legs and I think conor madden might be back next weekend so I do think its set up for Cavan. It'll be tight but I think Cavan by 1 or 2 points.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: rodney trotter on November 11, 2020, 01:15:23 PM
 Oisin McConville wants a few thousand allowed attend the Ulster final. He should look at the number of cases in the North. Its worse then the 26, and the crowds cant attend in Repiblic. Not even 200 would be possible
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 11, 2020, 01:28:37 PM
Oisin McConville wants a few thousand allowed attend the Ulster final. He should look at the number of cases in the North. Its worse then the 26, and the crowds cant attend in Repiblic. Not even 200 would be possible

In fairness, i think for example, if families of the players were put into the ground in pods and kept even 10 meters apart from other pods there would be no issue. It is outdoors after all. Its probably just not worth the hassle from the GAA perspective but I think it would be nice for the players. You could probably get a few hundred in that way but not a few thousand.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 11, 2020, 01:32:24 PM
It probably wouldn't matter so much for Donegal but if Cavan, Armagh or Down were to win an Ulster title in an empty stadium it would be a travesty. Not sure if there's a good way around it but it would be a real shame.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 11, 2020, 01:38:55 PM
Pundits should not be advocating crowds at games. Weíve heard it with soccer and GAA. Itís not something they should be spouting, as it sends out the wrong message.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: five points on November 11, 2020, 02:02:38 PM
It probably wouldn't matter so much for Donegal but if Cavan, Armagh or Down were to win an Ulster title in an empty stadium it would be a travesty. Not sure if there's a good way around it but it would be a real shame.

After 23 years waiting, I'd gladly take a travesty.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LCohen on November 11, 2020, 02:14:06 PM
Pundits should not be advocating crowds at games. Weíve heard it with soccer and GAA. Itís not something they should be spouting, as it sends out the wrong message.

I fully agree. Oisin has a profile. Covid is a serious issue. He shouldnít use his profile to guess. He needs to be sure
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on November 11, 2020, 02:24:48 PM
NI play their Euro qualifier tomorrow night - 1000 fans are allowed to attend.

What is the difference?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 11, 2020, 03:52:29 PM
NI play their Euro qualifier tomorrow night - 1000 fans are allowed to attend.

What is the difference?

Unionists donít spread or catch Covid, according to Edwin Poots.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 11, 2020, 03:57:50 PM
NI play their Euro qualifier tomorrow night - 1000 fans are allowed to attend.

What is the difference?

Unionists donít spread or catch Covid, according to Edwin Poots.

Yet, given the age profile of deaths, I wonder who the deceased had voted for.
If SF introduced a disease that killed all OAPs then they probably have a majority, but it is the DUP who is doing this!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Real Talk on November 11, 2020, 09:49:40 PM
NI play their Euro qualifier tomorrow night - 1000 fans are allowed to attend.

What is the difference?

Its all about the 'flag' isn't it Ö hardly surprising
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: grounded on November 14, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin. 
         Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
       Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 14, 2020, 07:24:22 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin. 
         Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
       Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.

Down have some natural forwards though and that's why I'd edge for them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 10:14:47 AM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin. 
         Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
       Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.

Down have some natural forwards though and that's why I'd edge for them.

Thats a slightly strange assessment. Same could have been said for monaghan who have forwards way better than Down. I think the main 2 arguments for a Down win are 1) Cavan are out 5 weeks in a row while down only played 2 games in the same time, 1 with a B team and 2) They looked impressive beating Fermanagh while Cavan looked jaded against antrim

For me No 1 can work both ways, cavan looked fit in all their games finishing strong and matches bring fitness too. We won't know for sure until this game is over. On No2 yes Cavan were poor against Antrim but what sort of a state were Fermanagh in? Not good im told. I find the odds a bit strange but delighted for Cavan to be outsiders. I also think we've the advantage on the line in Graham.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
I'd fancy Cavan to win by a point or two
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 15, 2020, 01:43:14 PM
I'd fancy Cavan to win by a point or two

They'd need to buck up.
The Athletic grounds is a bit muddy, what other games were there recently?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 02:02:55 PM
Cavan stinking the place out.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Orior on November 15, 2020, 02:14:01 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin. 
         Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
       Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.

Looks like Down have done it all by half time.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 02:15:37 PM
Very disappointed with this from cavan, never got going and down are the opposite and playing with great confidence and pace. No coming back from this.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:20:59 PM
Down have natural forwards where as Cavan don't.

Mooney has been absolutely sensational, his forward runs are hurting Cavan everytime but the amount of quality defensive work he has done has been terrific.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 02:28:36 PM
Very disappointed with this from cavan, never got going and down are the opposite and playing with great confidence and pace. No coming back from this.
It only takes a second to score a goal. They do that, theyíre in the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 15, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Cavan still in this. You canít touch a goalie in the square mind you so to me no penalty.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: grounded on November 15, 2020, 02:33:34 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin. 
         Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
       Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.

Looks like Down have done it all by half time.

Christsake, kiss of death
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: grounded on November 15, 2020, 02:42:53 PM
Down showing frailties here. Missed 2 or 3 goal chances and now getting it tight. I thought there wasnt a big lot between Cavan, Down and Armagh before this weekend.
     Im afraid Donegal on current form would beat the pick of them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 15, 2020, 02:48:55 PM
BBC have excellent pundits, not so sure about the commentary. Niblock is pedantic, "Down now have the football", "this football match is more even now". WTF, what other sort of ball or match is going on in front of us?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Jim Bob on November 15, 2020, 02:58:46 PM
Tallyís odds for the Tyrone gig lengthing big time
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
They talked at half time that Down have better subs. Maybe they have but the ones theyíve brought on are killing them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 03:11:00 PM
Going to give donegal 10 point lead at the start for the final. Well done to the lads, magnificent 2nd half
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 03:16:37 PM
I'd fancy Cavan to win by a point or two

They'd need to buck up.
The Athletic grounds is a bit muddy, what other games were there recently?

Never doubted it  8)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 15, 2020, 03:17:18 PM
Some comeback in fairness. Donegal will ate them alive though
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.

I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 03:22:10 PM
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.

I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.
Although they would have to brush over his balls up for Downís goal!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 03:23:57 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Yes it can't be done. My assuming is that the ref had made his decision it was a penalty at the least but wanted to make sure the ball hadn't crossed the line legally to award a goal instead. But looking at the other decisions he made during the game, Down mark inside 45 leading to goal, Cavan getting a free for their winning point despite clearly touching the ball on the ground, i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know what his decision was.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: lenny on November 15, 2020, 03:25:32 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Good refereeing again, he made the right decision. Same as the Donegal Tyrone game the correct decision made. This time the down man clearly lifts the ball off the ground. In the other game the Donegal man doesnít touch the ball on the ground with his hands. It does touch his elbow but not his hands.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:25:58 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Yes it can't be done. My assuming is that the ref had made his decision it was a penalty at the least but wanted to make sure the ball hadn't crossed the line legally to award a goal instead. But looking at the other decisions he made during the game, Down mark inside 45 leading to goal, Cavan getting a free for their winning point despite clearly touching the ball on the ground, i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know what his decision was.

He blew up with issuing any signal and consulted with the umpire.

He acted on his umpire's word.

He made the right decision, if that happened in Ballybofey a couple of weeks ago then Tyrone would have got a penalty.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:28:16 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Good refereeing again, he made the right decision. Same as the Donegal Tyrone game the correct decision made. This time the down man clearly lifts the ball off the ground. In the other game the Donegal man doesnít touch the ball on the ground with his hands. It does touch his elbow but not his hands.

The old Derry bitterness getting in your way again Lenny, what else would you expect from a Derry man that spends more time lurking around the Tyrone forums than following his own county - it's no wonder Derry football is at an all time low.

It was a certain penalty in Ballybofey, you need to learn the rules.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:37:56 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

Yes.

He blew his whistle and made no signal. He went to his umpire and asked him what he saw and gave a penalty as a result.

If there referee does the same in Ballybofey it's a Tyrone penalty.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tintin25 on November 15, 2020, 03:38:29 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

So the penalty shouldn't have stood?  Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

So the penalty shouldn't have stood?  Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.

Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:43:57 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

So the penalty shouldn't have stood?  Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.

Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!

You're a bit sour. You told us the umpire had no role in award penalties for handling the ball on the ground.

Maybe you should inform the referee today on that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
I said the ref got it wrong.. whatever way you want to look at it.. umpires have no authority. I really donít see how you can keep making things up that ainít true
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: up the rovers on November 15, 2020, 03:49:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

So the penalty shouldn't have stood?  Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.

Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!

Does that apply in hurling Milltown? And if so when did the rule change? We were always coached to stand behind the line for 70s and keep the ball in play if it was going wide. Never saw it blew for a free in my life. Saw it blew for a square ball if you came into play too soon but that's another rule.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:52:33 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

So the penalty shouldn't have stood?  Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.

Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!

Does that apply in hurling Milltown? And if so when did the rule change? We were always coached to stand behind the line for 70s and keep the ball in play if it was going wide. Never saw it blew for a free in my life. Saw it blew for a square ball if you came into play too soon but that's another rule.

A good while now, itís one of those questions that comes up when we are doing our rules test practicing
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: lenny on November 15, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
I said the ref got it wrong.. whatever way you want to look at it.. umpires have no authority. I really donít see how you can keep making things up that ainít true

Itís just sour grapes from Angela. Donegal were far the better side v Tyrone and heís clutching at the few straws he can get his hands on. Well done to Cavan today. Brilliant comeback. Down have some fast young players and theyíre improving also.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 15, 2020, 03:57:54 PM
Be worth reading this

https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/ul9vfetopu5mp8pg9svq.pdf
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 04:01:49 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Orior on November 15, 2020, 04:02:42 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin. 
         Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
       Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.

Looks like Down have done it all by half time.

Christsake, kiss of death

Whoops.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 15, 2020, 04:06:24 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin. 
         Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
       Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.

Looks like Down have done it all by half time.

Christsake, kiss of death

Whoops.

Cheers Orior.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 04:07:07 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

So the penalty shouldn't have stood?  Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.

Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!

Here MR2, what are the 3 rules that people don't know correctly?

We should have a thread on refereeing rules!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 04:12:02 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

So the penalty shouldn't have stood?  Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.

Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!

Here MR2, what are the 3 rules that people don't know correctly?

We should have a thread on refereeing rules!

Christ thereís some rules that Iím left scratching my head at, the best one is the ref canít change his mind once he makes a decision! Regardless of whether itís complete wrong
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 04:12:20 PM
I said the ref got it wrong.. whatever way you want to look at it.. umpires have no authority. I really donít see how you can keep making things up that ainít true

Itís just sour grapes from Angela. Donegal were far the better side v Tyrone and heís clutching at the few straws he can get his hands on. Well done to Cavan today. Brilliant comeback. Down have some fast young players and theyíre improving also.

You're the one permanently sour, constantly lurking about the Tyrone forums like a voyeur.

It should have been a penalty in Ballybofey for Tyrone two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 15, 2020, 04:20:33 PM
Fine comeback win for Cavan, plenty of character in their team. Two Ulster finals in a row for the first time since the 60s is a sure sign of progress under Mickey Graham.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 04:22:20 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.

He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: lenny on November 15, 2020, 04:26:06 PM
I said the ref got it wrong.. whatever way you want to look at it.. umpires have no authority. I really donít see how you can keep making things up that ainít true

Itís just sour grapes from Angela. Donegal were far the better side v Tyrone and heís clutching at the few straws he can get his hands on. Well done to Cavan today. Brilliant comeback. Down have some fast young players and theyíre improving also.

You're the one permanently sour, constantly lurking about the Tyrone forums like a voyeur.

It should have been a penalty in Ballybofey for Tyrone two weeks ago.

The game is over now so it doesnít make any difference, itís just down to opinions. If you watch the incident again closely youíll see he does touch the ball while itís on the ground but not with his hand, therefore not a penalty. At the end of the day Donegal were the better side comfortably but if a couple of Tyrone players had more belief in themselves they couldíve got in for goals and thatís the main difference, not a marginal call from a referee.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on November 15, 2020, 04:49:34 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.

He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.

Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 04:52:36 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.

He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.

Who was missing last year that would make an appreciable difference?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 04:53:07 PM
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.

I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.

 ::) if only then Angelos prediction would  have come to pass and all would be well with the world. Its was a definite penalty and if you want to split hairs Downs goal came from an incorrectly awarded Mark and Cavan were pulled back from a goal chance when advantage should have been played.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 04:59:09 PM
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.

I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.

 ::) if only then Angelos prediction would  have come to pass and all would be well with the world. Its was a definite penalty and if you want to split hairs Downs goal came from an incorrectly awarded Mark and Cavan were pulled back from a goal chance when advantage should have been played.

I know as a supporter you want to believe it was a penalty, but technically it was a free out
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: befair on November 15, 2020, 05:20:01 PM
Can't believe we lost that; should have been even further ahead at half-time, Martin Reilly getting black card when we were 9 pts up. BTW I hope Martin Reilly gets an All-Star this year, he has been a wonderful player fro years. Mooney, Kerr, Johnson were running riot in the first 25 mins, disappeared after that. One of our subs could have called a mark from 25 yds out, played on and flopped it into keepers hands. Should have known not to get my hopes up
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:23:44 PM
Can't believe we lost that; should have been even further ahead at half-time, Martin Reilly getting black card when we were 9 pts up. BTW I hope Martin Reilly gets an All-Star this year, he has been a wonderful player fro years. Mooney, Kerr, Johnson were running riot in the first 25 mins, disappeared after that. One of our subs could have called a mark from 25 yds out, played on and flopped it into keepers hands. Should have known not to get my hopes up

Was baffling as to why he didnít call that mark..
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 05:25:49 PM
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.

I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.

 ::) if only then Angelos prediction would  have come to pass and all would be well with the world. Its was a definite penalty and if you want to split hairs Downs goal came from an incorrectly awarded Mark and Cavan were pulled back from a goal chance when advantage should have been played.

I know as a supporter you want to believe it was a penalty, but technically it was a free out

Just watched it back there and amazingly in the run up to every single score there were technical fouls which the ref missed, too many steps, players pushing and pulling etc. The game should have actually been 0-0 to 0-0 and gone to extra time. Absolute scandal, ref was a disgrace.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: befair on November 15, 2020, 05:27:01 PM
Can't believe we lost that; should have been even further ahead at half-time, Martin Reilly getting black card when we were 9 pts up. BTW I hope Martin Reilly gets an All-Star this year, he has been a wonderful player fro years. Mooney, Kerr, Johnson were running riot in the first 25 mins, disappeared after that. One of our subs could have called a mark from 25 yds out, played on and flopped it into keepers hands. Should have known not to get my hopes up

No complaints about the ref btw
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
I can see why the ref give it, I understand his view on it, real time and all that, but it was incorrect. It happens in all games, the ref players and managers make mistakes.

There would have been no complaints had he given a free out.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: trileacman on November 15, 2020, 05:40:02 PM
I can see why the ref give it, I understand his view on it, real time and all that, but it was incorrect. It happens in all games, the ref players and managers make mistakes.

There would have been no complaints had he given a free out.

sorry can you explain again what the foul was?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 15, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Can't believe we lost that; should have been even further ahead at half-time, Martin Reilly getting black card when we were 9 pts up. BTW I hope Martin Reilly gets an All-Star this year, he has been a wonderful player fro years. Mooney, Kerr, Johnson were running riot in the first 25 mins, disappeared after that. One of our subs could have called a mark from 25 yds out, played on and flopped it into keepers hands. Should have known not to get my hopes up

Was baffling as to why he didnít call that mark..

Or slipped it over the top to the man through free on goal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:43:41 PM
I can see why the ref give it, I understand his view on it, real time and all that, but it was incorrect. It happens in all games, the ref players and managers make mistakes.

There would have been no complaints had he given a free out.

sorry can you explain again what the foul was?

Itís been explained, a player canít come from behind end line to gain an advantage, the Cavan lad did that to push the ball from keepers hands, which lead to the Down lad picking ball off the ground
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rossfan on November 15, 2020, 05:57:38 PM
Didn't see the game but must hve been some 2nd half by Cavan?
That's 2 big comebacks in 3 games.
Must be great team spirit and fitness.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: grounded on November 15, 2020, 06:29:54 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.

Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
        I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 06:31:55 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.

Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
        I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.

My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They canít make that call, itís always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Estimator on November 15, 2020, 06:32:16 PM
Do we know what the ref spoke to the umpires about? Is it possible that he spotted the pick up and blew the whistle.. and  he was just checking the legality of another incident, before being sure that he could give the penalty? ie asking the umpire if the Cavan player came from behind the line or asking if the keeper was tackled in the small square?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 06:37:08 PM
I can see why the ref give it, I understand his view on it, real time and all that, but it was incorrect. It happens in all games, the ref players and managers make mistakes.

There would have been no complaints had he given a free out.

sorry can you explain again what the foul was?


Itís been explained, a player canít come from behind end line to gain an advantage, the Cavan lad did that to push the ball from keepers hands, which lead to the Down lad picking ball off the ground

Where is that in the rule book?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 06:37:26 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 06:38:27 PM
Do we know what the ref spoke to the umpires about? Is it possible that he spotted the pick up and blew the whistle.. and  he was just checking the legality of another incident, before being sure that he could give the penalty? ie asking the umpire if the Cavan player came from behind the line or asking if the keeper was tackled in the small square?
The Ďkeeper can be tackled in the small ďsquareĒ.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 06:39:48 PM
Do we know what the ref spoke to the umpires about? Is it possible that he spotted the pick up and blew the whistle.. and  he was just checking the legality of another incident, before being sure that he could give the penalty? ie asking the umpire if the Cavan player came from behind the line or asking if the keeper was tackled in the small square?

We donít know, but what was clear was he was behind the keeper, so either the rule of coming in behind the line or square ball would do
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.

Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 06:47:55 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.

Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Did he? I thought he deliberately left the pitch and came around the back of the square to avoid entering it before the ball.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 06:50:44 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.

He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.

Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.

Definitely in terms of playing personnel I would say. Cavan are missing a hell of a lot of players who would be involved if they made themselves available. Guys like Givney, Moynagh, McVeetey immeadiately come to min and I'm sure the Cavan lads can fill in on the rest.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.

Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
        I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.

My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They canít make that call, itís always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine

I was not.

I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.

The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.

The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 06:55:04 PM
Do we know what the ref spoke to the umpires about? Is it possible that he spotted the pick up and blew the whistle.. and  he was just checking the legality of another incident, before being sure that he could give the penalty? ie asking the umpire if the Cavan player came from behind the line or asking if the keeper was tackled in the small square?

He surely would have signaled for a penalty if he gave the penalty. He didn't, he blew his whistle and went to the referee.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 15, 2020, 06:55:26 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.

Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
        I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.

My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They canít make that call, itís always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine

I was not.

I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.

The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.

The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.

The Donegal player didnít pick the ball up. Nor did he touch the ball on the ground with his hands
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.

Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
        I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.

My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They canít make that call, itís always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine

I was not.

I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.

The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.

The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.

The Donegal player didnít pick the ball up. Nor did he touch the ball on the ground with his hands

He absolutely did play the ball with his hands along the ground. 1000% played it along the ground with his hand. Clear as day.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 06:57:23 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.

Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Did he? I thought he deliberately left the pitch and came around the back of the square to avoid entering it before the ball.

He stepped outside then came in.

Regardless thereís no complaints about the game as the Down goal had a mistake in there also.

Game of two halfís and the best team won, you canít stop momentum!!

Angelo you havenít a clue what was said, the ref blew made the call got confirmation thatís it, the umpires donít make decisions or blow whistles.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 06:58:55 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.

He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.

Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.

Definitely in terms of playing personnel I would say. Cavan are missing a hell of a lot of players who would be involved if they made themselves available. Guys like Givney, Moynagh, McVeetey immeadiately come to min and I'm sure the Cavan lads can fill in on the rest.

Givney is 31 and hasn't played for Cavan since 2016. Was anonymous in the Cavan Junior Championship this year. Moynagh and McVeety are really the only 2 lads missing worth talking about and they were both there last year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 07:00:01 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.

Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Did he? I thought he deliberately left the pitch and came around the back of the square to avoid entering it before the ball.

He stepped outside then came in.

Regardless thereís no complaints about the game as the Down goal had a mistake in there also.

Game of two halfís and the best team won, you canít stop momentum!!

Angelo you havenít a clue what was said, the ref blew made the call got confirmation thatís it, the umpires donít make decisions or blow whistles.

And neither do you.

He blew his whistle, went to the umpire and made his decision after consulting him.

You were saying umpires could not get involved in decisions to give penalties so it seems you're wrong or the referee was wrong today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 07:00:44 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.


Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Did he? I thought he deliberately left the pitch and came around the back of the square to avoid entering it before the ball.

He stepped outside then came in.

Regardless thereís no complaints about the game as the Down goal had a mistake in there also.

Game of two halfís and the best team won, you canít stop momentum!!

Angelo you havenít a clue what was said, the ref blew made the call got confirmation thatís it, the umpires donít make decisions or blow whistles.

The rule is doing it deliberately to gain an advantage. That's not what happened. By your reckoning you can't rejoin the play when you step over end line because doing so would gain an advantage. Absolute nonsense. A perfectly legal passage of play.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 07:03:59 PM
Not a legal passage of play, itís in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.

And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 07:04:20 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.

He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.

Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.

Definitely in terms of playing personnel I would say. Cavan are missing a hell of a lot of players who would be involved if they made themselves available. Guys like Givney, Moynagh, McVeetey immeadiately come to min and I'm sure the Cavan lads can fill in on the rest.

Givney is 31 and hasn't played for Cavan since 2016. Was anonymous in the Cavan Junior Championship this year. Moynagh and McVeety are really the only 2 lads missing worth talking about and they were both there last year.

There seems to be a big turnover in the squad from McGleenan, I was under the impression that it was mainly due to players making themselves unavailable. Here was the team from 2018 that played against Tyrone.

CAVAN: James Farrelly, Killian Brady, Conor Moynagh, Enda Flanagan, Ciaran Brady, Martin Reilly, Fergal Reilly, Dara McVeety, Killian Clarke, Oisin Kiernan, Gearoid McKiernan, Niall Murray, Conor Bradley, Cian Mackey, Sean Johnston.

Subs: Sean McCormack for Clarke (34 mins), Adrian Cole for Mackey (HT), Jason McLoughlin for Flanagan, Padraig Faulkner for Murray (both 44 mins), Caoimhin OíReilly for Johnston (65), Mackey for K Brady (66).

Would be quite a few of those no longer involved? No.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 07:04:58 PM

And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.

That's exactly what he did.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 15, 2020, 07:06:04 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.

Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
        I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.

My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They canít make that call, itís always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine

I was not.

I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.

The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.

The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.

The Donegal player didnít pick the ball up. Nor did he touch the ball on the ground with his hands

He absolutely did play the ball with his hands along the ground. 1000% played it along the ground with his hand. Clear as day.
The thought it hit his elbow, which wouldnít be a penalty. Granted I havenít replayed it as much as you maybe have done. Was it in the small square?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 07:14:17 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.

Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
        I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.

My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They canít make that call, itís always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine

I was not.

I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.

The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.

The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.

The Donegal player didnít pick the ball up. Nor did he touch the ball on the ground with his hands

He absolutely did play the ball with his hands along the ground. 1000% played it along the ground with his hand. Clear as day.
The thought it hit his elbow, which wouldnít be a penalty. Granted I havenít replayed it as much as you maybe have done. Was it in the small square?

Wasn't his elbow, should have been a penalty.

Look it wasn't the losing of the game, Harte had a glorious goal chance in the same passage of play and blew it. But it's frustrating when you see two similar instances and referees doing two completely different things. The referee arrived at the right decision today regardless of how he did it. He didn't make the right decision in Ballybofey.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 07:15:36 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.

He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.

Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.

Definitely in terms of playing personnel I would say. Cavan are missing a hell of a lot of players who would be involved if they made themselves available. Guys like Givney, Moynagh, McVeetey immeadiately come to min and I'm sure the Cavan lads can fill in on the rest.

Givney is 31 and hasn't played for Cavan since 2016. Was anonymous in the Cavan Junior Championship this year. Moynagh and McVeety are really the only 2 lads missing worth talking about and they were both there last year.

There seems to be a big turnover in the squad from McGleenan, I was under the impression that it was mainly due to players making themselves unavailable. Here was the team from 2018 that played against Tyrone.

CAVAN: James Farrelly, Killian Brady, Conor Moynagh, Enda Flanagan, Ciaran Brady, Martin Reilly, Fergal Reilly, Dara McVeety, Killian Clarke, Oisin Kiernan, Gearoid McKiernan, Niall Murray, Conor Bradley, Cian Mackey, Sean Johnston.

Subs: Sean McCormack for Clarke (34 mins), Adrian Cole for Mackey (HT), Jason McLoughlin for Flanagan, Padraig Faulkner for Murray (both 44 mins), Caoimhin OíReilly for Johnston (65), Mackey for K Brady (66).

Would be quite a few of those no longer involved? No.

Yes but who of the lads that were there would be making the Cavan team? Moynagh and McVeety only.

In Cavan, your ability goes up the longer you aren't on the team. We are missing 2 starting players, there are lots of lads in the county who could possibly be as good as some of the lads on the bench and a couple on the team but we are not being hampered by our inability to get players to commit.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Not a legal passage of play, itís in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.

And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.

It is in the rule book that it must be deliberately done to gain an advantage. Clearly not the case here. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
If he didn't pick it up (and he did) with the ball in his possession he carried it over the goal line too. Mackey and rehill (a debutant last yr) also missing this yr. Killian Clarke opted out due to work but with covid and working from home he came back in again.
 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 07:20:44 PM

And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.

That's exactly what he did.

I highlighted it there for you.

Refs make mistakes
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 07:23:06 PM
Not a legal passage of play, itís in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.

And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.

It is in the rule book that it must be deliberately done to gain an advantage. Clearly not the case here.
Are you saying that he didnít deliberately do it? It looked like he did.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 07:26:03 PM
Not a legal passage of play, itís in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.

And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.

It is in the rule book that it must be deliberately done to gain an advantage. Clearly not the case here.

Whatís clear? He didnít gain an advantage or step outside the boundary line come back behind the keeper win the ball that lead to a penalty?

Howís that work out?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 15, 2020, 08:13:07 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.

Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?

Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls

As for the umpires itís still not their call, they didnít blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?

He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.

If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.

He blew his whistle. The umpires donít have whistles, you do know that? The umpires donít make those decisions, you know the rules?

So the penalty shouldn't have stood?  Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.

Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!

Here MR2, what are the 3 rules that people don't know correctly?

We should have a thread on refereeing rules!

Christ thereís some rules that Iím left scratching my head at, the best one is the ref canít change his mind once he makes a decision! Regardless of whether itís complete wrong
Is than an actual rule or is there some secret referee code of conduct?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 08:13:24 PM
Not a legal passage of play, itís in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.

And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.

It is in the rule book that it must be deliberately done to gain an advantage. Clearly not the case here.

Whatís clear? He didnít gain an advantage or step outside the boundary line come back behind the keeper win the ball that lead to a penalty?

Howís that work out?

Get a dictionary, look up the word deliberate, then read the rule again. Please tell me you aren't actually a referee?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 08:16:10 PM
So he didnít step outside? If he didnít then was he in the square?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 08:31:50 PM
So he didnít step outside? If he didnít then was he in the square?

Why are you asking me questions? A quick read of the rule and a look at what happened should clear it up for you. Unless you don't understand the rule in which case there's nothing I can do for you.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 09:03:34 PM
So he didnít step outside? If he didnít then was he in the square?

Why are you asking me questions? A quick read of the rule and a look at what happened should clear it up for you. Unless you don't understand the rule in which case there's nothing I can do for you.

I understand the rules, if he deliberately stepped outside the boundary line ( in my view he did) then came in to gain an advantage (which he did) then itís a free out. I donít see how you see it differently.

He was either outside the end line or not. Itís up to the ref to decide whether it was deliberate or not, bit like the Black cars rule.



Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:02:26 PM
Anyone watching the Sunday game?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 11:03:56 PM
Anyone watching the Sunday game?

Ah don't mind that bitter Meath Bollocks
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:04:39 PM
Anyone watching the Sunday game?

Ah don't mind that bitter Meath Bollocks

Waiting on Westside itchy 8)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:07:52 PM
Anyone watching the Sunday game?

Ah don't mind that bitter Meath Bollocks

Waiting on Westside itchy 8)

I presume they agreed with your analysis? Which of the brain trust did they have on, Whelan and O'Rourke? Thankfully the ref agreed with mine, Madden didn't do it to gain an advantage. Legal passage of play, goal stands. It's not that complicated.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 11:09:57 PM
Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:10:29 PM
Anyone watching the Sunday game?

Ah don't mind that bitter Meath Bollocks

Waiting on Westside itchy 8)

I presume they agreed with your analysis? Which of the brain trust did they have on, Whelan and O'Rourke? Thankfully the ref agreed with mine, Madden didn't do it to gain an advantage. Legal passage of play, goal stands. It's not that complicated.

You obviously didnít watch it and it was roundly put down as a mistake by all three and highlighted when he deliberately went behind line to gain advantage.

Itís not complicated
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.

Wasnít talking about the Sunday game you didnít watch, you obviously didnít watch it live!

You couldnít get the rules right so letís just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: thewobbler on November 15, 2020, 11:21:15 PM
Lol at this thread.

McKernanís indiscretion was the most obvious one. But a referee and two umpires still shouldnít have missed what happened in the lead up.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 11:49:32 PM
Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though

Thought you can tackle keeper in small square? You're not allowed charge keeper?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:53:09 PM
Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though

Thought you can tackle keeper in small square? You're not allowed charge keeper?

Canít touch him, thought the lad played the ball in fairness to him. But if he was in the square before the ball it was a square ball.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Eire90 on November 15, 2020, 11:57:21 PM
should they scrap mckenna cup fbd etc next year give players a rest.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 16, 2020, 06:00:21 AM
Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though

Thought you can tackle keeper in small square? You're not allowed charge keeper?

Canít touch him, thought the lad played the ball in fairness to him. But if he was in the square before the ball it was a square ball.
You can touch him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 07:42:58 AM
Yes but inside that square most refs will blow when there is contact, in this case the player played the ball cleanly.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 16, 2020, 08:05:20 AM
Then most refs are 100% wrong. The rule clearly states:

When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.


As far as Iím reading on that, other than being shouldered, a keeper can be legally tackled like everyone else. It is a myth that the keeper canít be touched and referees believe it and fecking perpetuate it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: balladmaker on November 16, 2020, 08:13:49 AM
Then most refs are 100% wrong. The rule clearly states:

When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.


As far as Iím reading on that, other than being shouldered, a keeper can be legally tackled like everyone else. It is a myth that the keeper canít be touched and referees believe it and fecking perpetuate it.

... and have done so for as long as I can remember.  Can't remember seeing a ref. permitting a keeper being challenged within the small rectangle.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 08:34:32 AM
Then most refs are 100% wrong. The rule clearly states:

When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.


As far as Iím reading on that, other than being shouldered, a keeper can be legally tackled like everyone else. It is a myth that the keeper canít be touched and referees believe it and fecking perpetuate it.

Yes, like I said most refs will hear the cry, "ya can't touch the keeper" challenging the ball is acceptable, I've no problem that, there are some rules that for whatever reason have lingered on from way back that still be called, but at intercounty level or certainly at senior championship level these calls shouldn't be missed, that's why I'm surprised at yesterdays game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 16, 2020, 08:41:14 AM
Yet you are on here saying ďcanít touch himĒ like itís a fact.

Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though

Thought you can tackle keeper in small square? You're not allowed charge keeper?

Canít touch him, thought the lad played the ball in fairness to him. But if he was in the square before the ball it was a square ball.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 09:15:20 AM
Yet you are on here saying ďcanít touch himĒ like itís a fact.

Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though

Thought you can tackle keeper in small square? You're not allowed charge keeper?

Canít touch him, thought the lad played the ball in fairness to him. But if he was in the square before the ball it was a square ball.

I know  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 16, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.

Wasnít talking about the Sunday game you didnít watch, you obviously didnít watch it live!

You couldnít get the rules right so letís just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules

You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.



Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.

Wasnít talking about the Sunday game you didnít watch, you obviously didnít watch it live!

You couldnít get the rules right so letís just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules

You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.

Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.

The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.

It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.

Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Hound on November 16, 2020, 10:20:57 AM
Then most refs are 100% wrong. The rule clearly states:

When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.


As far as Iím reading on that, other than being shouldered, a keeper can be legally tackled like everyone else. It is a myth that the keeper canít be touched and referees believe it and fecking perpetuate it.

But apart from incidental contact when playing the ball or blocking, it would be unusual to touch the keeper in the small rectangle without fouling him. So I would say in the vast majority of cases, refs are correct in calling fouls in such instances.I think forwards could be a lot cleverer in general in the way they tackle keepers, they often make it very easy for the ref to give the free out.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 10:25:57 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark to a down player when he caught the ball inside his own 45 and then landed over the sideline. It should have been a line ball to Cavan but instead Down went up the field and got the goal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 16, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.

Wasnít talking about the Sunday game you didnít watch, you obviously didnít watch it live!

You couldnít get the rules right so letís just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules

You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.

Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.

The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.

It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.

Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees

There was no mistake, the ref didn't think it was done deliberately to gain an advantage. I don't see how you can't understand that, I sincerely hope you're never handed the whistle for an important game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 16, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 11:03:58 AM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.

Wasnít talking about the Sunday game you didnít watch, you obviously didnít watch it live!

You couldnít get the rules right so letís just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules

You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.

Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.

The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.

It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.

Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees

There was no mistake, the ref didn't think it was done deliberately to gain an advantage. I don't see how you can't understand that, I sincerely hope you're never handed the whistle for an important game.

You're boring me now, if you, and its only you that thinks this, can't see it as being a foul, or even a square ball then I hope you are not involved with coaching kids..
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 11:26:29 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 16, 2020, 11:26:42 AM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.

Wasnít talking about the Sunday game you didnít watch, you obviously didnít watch it live!

You couldnít get the rules right so letís just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules

You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.

Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.

The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.

It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.

Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees

There was no mistake, the ref didn't think it was done deliberately to gain an advantage. I don't see how you can't understand that, I sincerely hope you're never handed the whistle for an important game.

You're boring me now, if you, and its only you that thinks this, can't see it as being a foul, or even a square ball then I hope you are not involved with coaching kids..

Milltown, I can see it in a certain application of this rule you could be right. However, in my entire time playing and following GAA I have never seen such a call made by a referee at any level of the game. For me Madden was on the line and ran past the defender inside him, he may have slighty stepped over the line. No different than a man running say along the sideline and sidesteps a player bringing himself out of the field of play.

Downs goal coming from an incorrectly awarded mark and Martin Reilly not getting advantage were much greater injustices but these things happen.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 16, 2020, 12:23:29 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.

Wasnít talking about the Sunday game you didnít watch, you obviously didnít watch it live!

You couldnít get the rules right so letís just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules

You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.

Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.

The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.

It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.

Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees

There was no mistake, the ref didn't think it was done deliberately to gain an advantage. I don't see how you can't understand that, I sincerely hope you're never handed the whistle for an important game.

You're boring me now, if you, and its only you that thinks this, can't see it as being a foul, or even a square ball then I hope you are not involved with coaching kids..

It's not only me. The referee, the man whose opinion actually matters, saw it the same way.

And if you think any coach in the country is telling young players not to hit touch like they're playing rugby or they can't rejoin the play, you're absolutely deluded. You sound like the typical schoolmaster type club referee that's out to exercise some authority and read the rule in the way that allows you to blow the whistle.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
Yes donít make the rules up, I wouldnít be the hard nose ref either, I donít do a lot of cards and allow a lot of physical contact. Itís just a point that this was a foul before the touching on ground for penalty.

I probably wouldnít have called him running in behind his marker (as he did clearly) and win the ball, Iíd have questioned how he got behind the keeper to win the ball first, and blew for square ball
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 16, 2020, 12:49:34 PM
Yes donít make the rules up, I wouldnít be the hard nose ref either, I donít do a lot of cards and allow a lot of physical contact. Itís just a point that this was a foul before the touching on ground for penalty.

I probably wouldnít have called him running in behind his marker (as he did clearly) and win the ball, Iíd have questioned how he got behind the keeper to win the ball first, and blew for square ball

The referee didn't think he left the field deliberately to gain an advantage, the referee didn't think he was in the square before the ball. Happy Monday.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 01:13:23 PM
Yes donít make the rules up, I wouldnít be the hard nose ref either, I donít do a lot of cards and allow a lot of physical contact. Itís just a point that this was a foul before the touching on ground for penalty.

I probably wouldnít have called him running in behind his marker (as he did clearly) and win the ball, Iíd have questioned how he got behind the keeper to win the ball first, and blew for square ball

The referee didn't think he left the field deliberately to gain an advantage, the referee didn't think he was in the square before the ball. Happy Monday.

And the 'mark' incident he didn't see that one either.. I'm sure his assessor will have though
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 01:34:12 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

Shouldn't but it happened and it wouldn't have happened if the right call was made. Anyway have a good day guys i'm sure you will all agree at some stage  ;D

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

Shouldn't but it happened and it wouldn't have happened if the right call was made. Anyway have a good day guys i'm sure you will all agree at some stage  ;D

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

It's not the reason for the goal though.

Wrong decision but it didn't really have an impact in a goal or not. If you were to contest every wrong free out decision you could be here all day.

The Reilly goal chance was an absolutely terrible. I thought the referee had an error ridden game yesterday in its entirety.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 16, 2020, 02:22:36 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 16, 2020, 02:24:33 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

Shouldn't but it happened and it wouldn't have happened if the right call was made. Anyway have a good day guys i'm sure you will all agree at some stage  ;D

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

It's not the reason for the goal though.

Wrong decision but it didn't really have an impact in a goal or not. If you were to contest every wrong free out decision you could be here all day.

The Reilly goal chance was an absolutely terrible. I thought the referee had an error ridden game yesterday in its entirety.

How did it not have an impact on the goal? Down scored from that possession. It absolutely did have an impact. That goal is not happening in that way if Cavan got the sideline ball as Down backs would have dropped back, not attacking forward with the ball.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 03:13:37 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.

There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 16, 2020, 03:28:26 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.

There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.

Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.

The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:01:36 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.

There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.

Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.

The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.

You can't.

I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.

I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.

I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 16, 2020, 04:19:38 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.

There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.

Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.

The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.

You can't.

I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.

I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.

I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.

But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:38:36 PM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.

There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.

Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.

The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.

You can't.

I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.

I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.

I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.

But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...

Teams can score a goal in 10 seconds from a kickout, it shouldn't happen though so you can't lay the blame at the referee in those instances. They are going to make mistakes, that was a minor mistake in reality but Cavan were just very badly set up and paid the price for it.

Red cards and penalties, scorable frees and and punishing consistent/cynical fouling appropriately are the big decisions in games.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 16, 2020, 06:20:47 PM
The line ball wasn't a big decision but it was an obvious one. Reminds me when Beggan punched ball wide in first game and a kick out given. If officials can't get easy decisions right then how can you trust them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 16, 2020, 09:47:01 PM
Cavan people have long memories for grievances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 16, 2020, 10:40:29 PM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: delgany on November 16, 2020, 10:46:37 PM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1019/1084423-two-tier-senior-football-championship-to-begin-in-2020/

It may be subject to change due to Covid - who knows
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: restorepride on November 17, 2020, 12:34:29 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.

There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.

Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.

The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.

You can't.

I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.

I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.

I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.

But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...
Yes - that is his style.  Attention seeking.  Probably a poor referee in a former life! 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 07:54:02 AM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.

I think that would usually be the case, but it didn't start in 2020 due to Covid. Although looks like a motion at the time of voting for the B Championship also went in place to take the placings from the end of the league that season. So if Cavan get promoted from Division 3 early 2021, they're then technically in Division 2 and would be in the main championship. That's my reading of it anyway, could be wrong...
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 09:43:46 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads  ;D

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.

There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.

Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.

The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.

You can't.

I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.

I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.

I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.

But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rossfan on November 17, 2020, 09:44:22 AM
You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 09:57:54 AM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 10:05:34 AM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 10:12:10 AM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.

Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 17, 2020, 10:38:04 AM
You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.

So does that mean that both A and B championships could have different numbers participating annually  depending on who reached their provincial finals?

So, youd normally have 16 in A... but say Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford and Wicklow reach their provincial finals, that means the race for Sam would have 20 teams (16 plus those 4), and B championship just 12 (16 less those 4)?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 17, 2020, 10:57:27 AM
You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.

So does that mean that both A and B championships could have different numbers participating annually  depending on who reached their provincial finals?

So, youd normally have 16 in A... but say Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford and Wicklow reach their provincial finals, that means the race for Sam would have 20 teams (16 plus those 4), and B championship just 12 (16 less those 4)?

It does seem there are some ways to avoid the B champ (if you are in Div3/4) but I dont see it displacing any teams that are in the A champ. All a bit daft really.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 11:20:10 AM
You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.

So does that mean that both A and B championships could have different numbers participating annually  depending on who reached their provincial finals?

So, youd normally have 16 in A... but say Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford and Wicklow reach their provincial finals, that means the race for Sam would have 20 teams (16 plus those 4), and B championship just 12 (16 less those 4)?

I believe so. I think the reasoning is that they really don't expect any Div 3 or 4 teams (or recently relegated Div 2 teams) to reach their finals that often. And generally they'd be right, but this year has skewed with Cavan and Tipp reaching their final. If I read that right, then it's 18 teams in A, and 14 in B. Not a huge issue, but that will likely be the exception. Most years you'll probably have 16 and 16. And this is a 3 year trial by the way, could be gone by 2024
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 11:33:10 AM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.

Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?

Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.

It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rossfan on November 17, 2020, 11:36:13 AM
If the 2 Tiers were used this year (and no Covid!!)
Tailteann Cup would contain
Fermanagh Antrim Derry
London Leitrim Sligo
Waterford Limerick
Wexford Wicklow Carlow Offaly Longford Louth.

Qualifiers
Roscommon
Tyrone Monaghan Armagh Down
Kerry Clare
Kildare Laois Westmeath.
Bennycake's dream of Tyrone v Kerry in a preliminary might have come true 😄
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 11:40:48 AM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.

Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?

Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.

It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.

So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man  ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself

They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 17, 2020, 12:06:37 PM
You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.

So does that mean that both A and B championships could have different numbers participating annually  depending on who reached their provincial finals?

So, youd normally have 16 in A... but say Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford and Wicklow reach their provincial finals, that means the race for Sam would have 20 teams (16 plus those 4), and B championship just 12 (16 less those 4)?

I believe so. I think the reasoning is that they really don't expect any Div 3 or 4 teams (or recently relegated Div 2 teams) to reach their finals that often. And generally they'd be right, but this year has skewed with Cavan and Tipp reaching their final. If I read that right, then it's 18 teams in A, and 14 in B. Not a huge issue, but that will likely be the exception. Most years you'll probably have 16 and 16. And this is a 3 year trial by the way, could be gone by 2024

So, more teams in A, means one or more preliminary rounds, meaning squeezing in an extra week. If those Super 8 bollix is still happening, they are fired off in quick succession, so thereís not much room for manoeuvre.

Itís all a load of bollix really.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 17, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
If the 2 Tiers were used this year (and no Covid!!)
Tailteann Cup would contain
Fermanagh Antrim Derry
London Leitrim Sligo
Waterford Limerick
Wexford Wicklow Carlow Offaly Longford Louth.

Qualifiers
Roscommon
Tyrone Monaghan Armagh Down
Kerry Clare
Kildare Laois Westmeath.
Bennycake's dream of Tyrone v Kerry in a preliminary might have come true 😄

Thatís not my dream (by the way, Iím not from Tyrone, as you stated a day or two ago!).

My idea is an open draw, meaning itís possible we could get big teams drawn together, like Dublin v Kerry in the first round. Look at what we got this year, Donegal v Tyrone, Kerry v Cork. Two exciting games. Two big guns gone early, no second chances.

And you have to say, the championship has been all the better for do or die clashes like those this year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rossfan on November 17, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
The mini winter Championship is pure shite.
Ros aren't in it any more.
Anyway the Qualifiers are "do or die" too.
P S sorry for the Tyrone insult  :-[
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.

Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire

Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.

That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.

Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..

Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.

Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire

Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.

That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.

Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..

Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up

With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.

Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire

Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.

That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.

Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..

Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up

With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...

Munster championship and Waterford get to a final as Cork and Kerry meet in the first round.. Waterford should be in the Sam Maguire even though they are Div 4?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 03:51:56 PM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.

Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?

Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.

It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.

So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man  ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself

They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.

It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.

You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.

Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire

Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.

That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.

Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..

Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up

With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...

Munster championship and Waterford get to a final as Cork and Kerry meet in the first round.. Waterford should be in the Sam Maguire even though they are Div 4?

They will likely still have to get past past Clare and Tipperary so yes. But that example is a long shot, when was the last time Waterford to to the MSFC final? But saying that, if they go on a run and get to the final, they absolutely deserve their chance
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 04:06:19 PM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.

Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?

Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.

It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.

So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man  ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself

They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.

It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.

You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.

So you're finally admitting that Down would not have scored that goal if the ball went to Cavan? Glad you've seen the light. Finally. And if they could have scored similar goals, why didn't they? Fact is they benefitted from a bad referring decision. Luckily Cavan won, so it didn't matter so much in the grand scheme
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 05:42:32 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.

Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire

Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.

That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.

Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..

Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up

With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...

Munster championship and Waterford get to a final as Cork and Kerry meet in the first round.. Waterford should be in the Sam Maguire even though they are Div 4?

They will likely still have to get past past Clare and Tipperary so yes. But that example is a long shot, when was the last time Waterford to to the MSFC final? But saying that, if they go on a run and get to the final, they absolutely deserve their chance

No they donít deserve it, they are Div 4 and thatís that. When Kerry and Cork play on same side of draw it serves up a mismatch final usually. Clare were div4 two years ago. Tipp only recently making an impact but thatíll fade.

Base it on the leagues, works well for the hurling and promotion produces teams that can compete and improve, Laois a great example as is Dublin, not that far back I remember Antrim always giving Dublin their fill of it, now they have stormed ahead and have managed to stay ...

If teams know their progression into Sam Maguire is based on league performance then theyíll be putting big effort into their training and conditioning.

Again weíll all hold personal views on this based on where you actually see your own county.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 06:00:11 PM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.

Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?

Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.

It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.

So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man  ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself

They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.

It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.

You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.

So you're finally admitting that Down would not have scored that goal if the ball went to Cavan? Glad you've seen the light. Finally. And if they could have scored similar goals, why didn't they? Fact is they benefitted from a bad referring decision. Luckily Cavan won, so it didn't matter so much in the grand scheme

Couldn't tell you.

What ifs aren't certain.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.

Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire

Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.

That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.

Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..

Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up

With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...

Munster championship and Waterford get to a final as Cork and Kerry meet in the first round.. Waterford should be in the Sam Maguire even though they are Div 4?

They will likely still have to get past past Clare and Tipperary so yes. But that example is a long shot, when was the last time Waterford to to the MSFC final? But saying that, if they go on a run and get to the final, they absolutely deserve their chance

No they donít deserve it, they are Div 4 and thatís that. When Kerry and Cork play on same side of draw it serves up a mismatch final usually. Clare were div4 two years ago. Tipp only recently making an impact but thatíll fade.

Base it on the leagues, works well for the hurling and promotion produces teams that can compete and improve, Laois a great example as is Dublin, not that far back I remember Antrim always giving Dublin their fill of it, now they have stormed ahead and have managed to stay ...

If teams know their progression into Sam Maguire is based on league performance then theyíll be putting big effort into their training and conditioning.

Again weíll all hold personal views on this based on where you actually see your own county.

So even though they do better in Championship than league (which is the point, you want to be better in championship) then you'd deny them further progress in the championship after reaching a final, based on league position from 3 months before? That's madness. And even the GAA know its madness hence why they have this failsafe built in. The whole point is a good championship run is rewarded sufficiently, and they can deal with this if it happens. But it will be rare
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 09:52:09 PM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.

Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?

Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.

It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.

So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man  ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself

They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.

It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.

You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.

So you're finally admitting that Down would not have scored that goal if the ball went to Cavan? Glad you've seen the light. Finally. And if they could have scored similar goals, why didn't they? Fact is they benefitted from a bad referring decision. Luckily Cavan won, so it didn't matter so much in the grand scheme

Couldn't tell you.

What ifs aren't certain.

Indeed, but we can be certain that goal wouldn't have been scored if Down weren't awarded that mark
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 17, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
Can we talk about the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 09:57:57 PM
If you are a team in div 4 your main goals are promotion, winning the All Ireland is not happening. Steady progression through  Div 3 to gain promotion and youíre at least ready to compete in your province (unless youíre in Leinster)

If you win a B championship along the way then happy days!

This continued mismatch games (before this year) were poor shows (in my view)

Itís got to happen and some teams will be feel aggrieved at the start..
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 17, 2020, 10:07:08 PM
Can we talk about the final.

Bonner must be worried, playing daft auld mind games about poor Michael Murphy getting no protection. From what I see, Murphy is well able to dish it out too. Wasnt Bonner over one of those U21 teams Cavan bet back in the day, one with McBrearty on it?

Anyway, I have no idea why and I have no logical reason for this but I think Cavan will go for this and might rattle Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
Can we talk about the final.

Bonner must be worried, playing daft auld mind games about poor Michael Murphy getting no protection. From what I see, Murphy is well able to dish it out too. Wasnt Bonner over one of those U21 teams Cavan bet back in the day, one with McBrearty on it?

Anyway, I have no idea why and I have no logical reason for this but I think Cavan will go for this and might rattle Donegal.

Would need to play for two half this time!

How tired would the lads be leading up to this? Both teams?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 17, 2020, 10:20:20 PM
Can we talk about the final.

Bonner must be worried, playing daft auld mind games about poor Michael Murphy getting no protection. From what I see, Murphy is well able to dish it out too. Wasnt Bonner over one of those U21 teams Cavan bet back in the day, one with McBrearty on it?

Anyway, I have no idea why and I have no logical reason for this but I think Cavan will go for this and might rattle Donegal.

Would need to play for two half this time!

How tired would the lads be leading up to this? Both teams?

It was interesting listening to Mickey Harte who said hed prefer his team to be playing the games rather than have a break waiting. Cavan have finished all their games well so fitness hasn't been an issue yet. Would Donegal have preferred a tougher game in the semi, I think so.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 17, 2020, 11:17:38 PM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1019/1084423-two-tier-senior-football-championship-to-begin-in-2020/

It may be subject to change due to Covid - who knows

Not decided on yet. If the CCCC choose to have a regional league for 2021 (starting February 20th BTW) then the likes of Tipp and Cavan will avoid the All-Ireland B competition next summer.

If the normal NFL is played off then Cavan, Tipperary would have to either gain promotion to Division 2 or reach another provincial final to avoid the B All-Ireland.

Looking likely that the Super 8s will be scrapped and a return to the knock out stand alone Quarter final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 17, 2020, 11:45:11 PM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1019/1084423-two-tier-senior-football-championship-to-begin-in-2020/

It may be subject to change due to Covid - who knows

Not decided on yet. If the CCCC choose to have a regional league for 2021 (starting February 20th BTW) then the likes of Tipp and Cavan will avoid the All-Ireland B competition next summer.

If the normal NFL is played off then Cavan, Tipperary would have to either gain promotion to Division 2 or reach another provincial final to avoid the B All-Ireland.

Looking likely that the Super 8s will be scrapped and a return to the knock out stand alone Quarter final.

If the normal NFL is replaced in 2021 with a regional NFL, then the B championship shouldnít happen next year (personally i think it should never happen).

Super 8 or knockout QFs - hardly matters in the great scheme of things, as the whole AI structures are a load of bollix.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 17, 2020, 11:52:30 PM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1019/1084423-two-tier-senior-football-championship-to-begin-in-2020/

It may be subject to change due to Covid - who knows

Not decided on yet. If the CCCC choose to have a regional league for 2021 (starting February 20th BTW) then the likes of Tipp and Cavan will avoid the All-Ireland B competition next summer.

If the normal NFL is played off then Cavan, Tipperary would have to either gain promotion to Division 2 or reach another provincial final to avoid the B All-Ireland.

Looking likely that the Super 8s will be scrapped and a return to the knock out stand alone Quarter final.

If the normal NFL is replaced in 2021 with a regional NFL, then the B championship shouldnít happen next year (personally i think it should never happen).

Super 8 or knockout QFs - hardly matters in the great scheme of things, as the whole AI structures are a load of bollix.

They are going to plough along with the B All-Ireland next year regardless. Shouldn't have brought it back IMO but those in Congress thought otherwise.

Knock out Qfs gives the underdogs a better chance of reaching All-Ireland semi finals plus knock out football is better than group system for the last 8 again in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rossfan on November 17, 2020, 11:57:01 PM
Mr Covid will influence a lot of decisions.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 18, 2020, 12:12:34 AM
I'm sure Cavan will be looking forward to a semi final with Meath.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 18, 2020, 10:10:54 AM
No individual player deserves protection especially one that refs the game himself. Murphy should have got gate last year in first few minutes.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 18, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
No individual player deserves protection especially one that refs the game himself. Murphy should have got gate last year in first few minutes.

Indeed he should have, I'd hazard that any other player would have got the line for that. So maybe that does swing both ways, the big players do get targeted, but do get decisions like this too. Part and parcel of being the big player I suppose
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 18, 2020, 02:23:18 PM

The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.

What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?

I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...

I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.

The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.

The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.

Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?

Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.

It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.

So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man  ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself

They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.

It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.

You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.

So you're finally admitting that Down would not have scored that goal if the ball went to Cavan? Glad you've seen the light. Finally. And if they could have scored similar goals, why didn't they? Fact is they benefitted from a bad referring decision. Luckily Cavan won, so it didn't matter so much in the grand scheme

Couldn't tell you.

What ifs aren't certain.

Indeed, but we can be certain that goal wouldn't have been scored if Down weren't awarded that mark

We simply cannot. What ifs aren't certain so I fail to see how you could conclude that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 18, 2020, 02:37:32 PM

We simply cannot. What ifs aren't certain so I fail to see how you could conclude that.

Of course we can be certain, the entire move that Down made for that goal would therefore not have happened, as Cavan would have the ball and they'd be attacking instead. We can be absolutely 100% certain that the goal would not have been scored in that way if Cavan got the ball. I really don't understand how you think differently, all players would have set up in a different formation with a Cavan ball...

Anyway, on to the match. Weather looking to be an ok afternoon on Sunday. Good day will suit Donegal, although if the pitch is still heavy, and the goalmouth/20 areas are re-laid then they could lift a bit. Think Cavan will learn from last year and the games this year. Donegal still will likely win, but maybe not as big a margin as some are saying. The war of words from both camps has started already. Be interesting to see where things are by Sunday.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Orior on November 18, 2020, 03:46:20 PM
If Cavan got a 10 point lead in the first half would they know what to do next?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: bannside on November 18, 2020, 03:54:51 PM
Not happening Orior. This Donegal team is a different animal this year. I can see a dozen points in it and thats not being disrespectful.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: An Watcher on November 18, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 18, 2020, 04:00:48 PM
Donegal turning into a very good team but I don't get why people think they'll beat Dublin. I would love to be wrong but I just really don't see it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 18, 2020, 04:02:53 PM
If Cavan got a 10 point lead in the first half would they know what to do next?

Probably go on to have an even better second half, like they've done in every match since the restart! :D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 18, 2020, 04:04:42 PM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?

Absolutely fine by Cavan. Let them do that, that's a sure fire way of slipping up. If they take one eye off, that's when a team like Cavan will beat you, a team when doesn't know it's dead and won't go away will take advantage of concentration slipping
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 18, 2020, 04:38:10 PM
Donegal turning into a very good team but I don't get why people think they'll beat Dublin. I would love to be wrong but I just really don't see it.

I don't think anyone is really saying we'll beat Dublin.

They're saying we're the most likely to put it up to Dublin now that Kerry are gone (I'd have Mayo in that category, personally).

I'd say most still would have Dublin down to win it by five or six points.

I'd be far more worried about a game against Mayo, if we did somehow get through Cavan and Dublin. Dublin would be a free hit. Mayo just have our number and physically bully us. Maybe this would be the year to change that, but last year was supposed to be, and the whole team wilted from the challenge, except for Murphy's Superman act to try and drag us through single-handedly.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 18, 2020, 04:41:07 PM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?

It is disrespect to think like that and I really hope  that they are thinking like that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 18, 2020, 04:55:56 PM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?

It is disrespect to think like that and I really hope  that they are thinking like that.

They didnít think like that against Armagh. They didnít in last yearís final.

All Bonner has to say is ďCork!Ē.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: bannside on November 18, 2020, 06:27:32 PM
I will be the first to applaud you Itchy if you are competitive against Donegal. As I say I dont think Cavan are a bad team, but I think Donegal are 20 - 30% better than last year which is a large amount. Yes J70, Mayo did put you to the sword easily that night in Castlebar, but you were a very tired team....peaking in May to beat Tyrone, again in Ulster final six weeks later, again versus Kerry drawing in Croke Park and I had a feeling you would go out like a light the way you did.

This year....fresh, hungry, four or five new players, Rochford in and playing with a real swagger.

I think they could go all the way, honestly.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 18, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
There's a number of reasons Donegal are being tipped to beat Dublin.

They were actually flying it up until the Mayo game last year. A lot of their big men didn't perform but it's also worth noting the injury problems, Ban Gallagher is a huge player for them, Neil McGee is still a vital cog and he was also missing. They lost J McGee in midfield early due to injury, think McGonagle missed the Championship last year and Paddy McGrath also picked up a bad injury in that game. And it's Mayo in Castlebar in a knockout game and Mayo were terrific.

They are advancing well Donegal, you look at Mogan this year who has been superb, McGonagle in midfield has been great. Langan, Niall O'Donnell and Thompson have all come on leaps and bounds. A semi-final with Dublin will be the big test. Donegal did have two important games against Tyrone since the resumption that both sides needed a win in and Donegal won both matches. The routinely swatted aside Armagh at the weekend and they're doing this with Murphy and McHugh being relatively quiet. For the first time in a while Donegal look like they are actually more than a Murphy and McHugh double act.

Then there's the other side of the coin - Dublin. We still have questions, new manager, unsettled team and possibly undercooked, no McCaffrey, winter football though Croke Park still plays well but Dublin were iffy enough in the league in what will be similar conditions. I saw bits and pieces of the two games, Howard is on the bench, so is Mannion. I don't think Fenton is going that well and McCarthy has been quiet enough. I think Meath could actually give them a right go but we'll see. Bar Kilkenny and Bugler so far I haven't really seen too many of those Dublin players look at their best and you could find the hunger may not be there this year with the strange atmosphere about the Championship.

I certainly don't think anyone from the pack has as good a chance at an All Ireland as there is this year.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on November 18, 2020, 09:00:05 PM
Everyone jumping on the Donegal hype train bandwagon, that's all it is.
Dublin are still the team to beat.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: StephenC on November 18, 2020, 09:43:02 PM
I think every year (for the last few), people have been dying to think that there's a team that'll put it up to the Dubs. There's a desperation there; a hope that the Championship isn't inevitable. With Kerry gone, people are turning to Donegal and Mayo, and of course, the column inches still have to be written.

IMO we don't deserve to be talken about as challengers to the Dubs. We've shite the bed the last 2 years when the pressure came on, and suddenly we're going to beat what is probably the greatest Gaeic Football team ever?

Cavan will give us a right rattle in the Ulster final. I'll be shocked and incredibly disappointed if we don't win it (no offence to the Cavan Gaels) but it's not a foregone conclusion.

We're a good team; probably as skillful a bunch as I've ever seen line out for us, but I don't think we are the great hope that the country is waiting for.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: seafoid on November 19, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/cavan-s-mickey-graham-this-is-100-per-cent-bonus-territory-for-us-1.4412841

Cavanís Mickey Graham: ĎThis is 100 per cent bonus territory for usí
Donegal to provide daunting challenge in Sundayís Ulster SFC Final
about 9 hours ago Updated: about 3 hours ago
 
Ian O'Riordan

 
Mickey Graham has already earned a subtle reputation for orchestrating minor miracles on the football field, and he sounds well pleased with the latest one.
With the score, the odds, the incentive and whatever else stacked against them, his Cavan team came from 1-9 to 0-2 behind, just before half-time, to beat Down by a single point in last Sundayís Ulster football semi-final. No one and everyone can say they saw it coming.
Because this sort of hide-and-seek tactic has served Graham particularly well, as long as it works of course. Cavan produced a similarly spirited comeback to beat Monaghan in the Ulster preliminary round, when no one saw them being beaten, and they also took the second half of their semi-final win over Antrim by the scruff of the neck.
ďIn fairness the lads just had a wee chat amongst themselves,Ē says Graham. ďThere was no panic, they just realised they werenít doing a lot of things they should have been doing, were letting themselves down. As a management team we just said if this is our last 35, 40 minutes of the year, letís just play with some pride, really go for it. When youíve nothing to lose, itís knockout football, letís have no regrets.
ďWe threw some caution to the wind, made some adjustments and pushed a few lads up the field. Sometimes those things donít pay off, and this was just one of those days it just about worked.Ē
PŠdraig Faulkner, Thomas Galligan and half-time replacement Conor Madden were all immense, Cavan also pinching 10 of Downís 12 kick-outs as they pressed ever higher. A small part of this minor miracle is that it landed Cavan in back-to-back Ulster football finals for the first time since 1969.
ē   Cavan into Ulster final after stunning Down comeback
ē   GAA Statistics: Mayoís midfield gamble paying off Ė so far
ē   Shanahan impressed with Cahillís impact on a resurgent Waterford
Last year, when they also faced off against Donegal, it was their first final appearance since 2001, when Graham came off the bench in the narrow defeat to Tyrone. They havenít won the Ulster title since 1997, Graham also part of that team, and itís come after two successive relegations in the league, to Division 2 last year, more recently to Division 3.
 Cavan players celebrate the Ulster semi-final victory over Armagh at the Athletic Grounds. Photograph: Matt Mackey/Inpho
ďThat was the just the situation we found ourselves in,Ē admits Graham. ďFirst and foremost, we were just delighted to be back playing football. When we did come back, we just said weíd take it one step at a time, try to consolidate our Division 2 status. Unfortunately we didnít get the results we needed, but still felt we were learning along the way.
ďAfter that it was all about Monaghan. Thatís all you want from the players, just go out and give it a right go, playing with a bit of freedom, and expression, which they showed that day too.
ďIn fairness they were doing that in a lot of games this year, even when results werenít going our way. But I feel the lads know now there is a wee bit of resilience there, because this isnít the first time theyíve been able to get a result from a nearly impossible position. And look, Cavan have suffered some heavy defeats down through the years, and if anything that has made them a bit more mentally tough, that they know how to give it everything when they do go out.Ē
A quick glance through Grahamís orchestral CV reveals ample evidence of teams knowing how to give their all: from winning a county intermediate title in 2006 with Drumalee, a small club on the outskirts of Cavan town, to the historic Leinster football title with Longford club Mullinalaghta, in 2018.
Sundayís showdown against Donegal is a different proposition. Cavan held up reasonably well last year in Grahamís first season as manager, losing 1-24 to 2-16, but this Donegal team, contesting their ninth final in 10 years and seeking a sixth title in that periods, are viewed as the only contenders remaining to Dublinís All-Ireland crown.
Still a large part of this miracle is that in the depths of the pandemic winter Cavan are still out there. Grahamís work with Coca-Cola has him on the road meeting [from a social distance] some of the county supporters, and some of them still canít believe it.
ďAt the start of this championship, if you came out and said Cavan were going to be in an Ulster final, people would laugh at you. So this is 100 per cent bonus territory for us, in an Ulster final, coming up against probably the second best team in the country. Theyíre a formidable outfit, weíre under no illusions about that, the challenge that lies ahead.
ďWeíre just delighted to be still playing football at this time of year. Theyíre only seven teams left in the country, Cavan are one of them. And if there is anything to take out of this, itís given people something to look forward to at weekend. Especially Cavan people, theyíve been sitting at home at weekends, with nothing to do. Iíve been moving around, and the amount of people saying to me theyíre so excited to have something to look forward to again this weekend.
ďEven dropping the young child to school this week, the excitement in their faces, they need it as much as we do. They canít go anywhere beyond school. And if it can inspire the next generation of young footballers in Cavan in some small way that will be a success in itself.Ē
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 04:13:30 PM
Early days yet but Cavan giving a far better account of themselves than Armagh against Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:13:53 PM
Donegal would want to wake up if they want a crack at Dublin

Mickey Graham has done a hell of a job with this Cavan team

Killian Brady black carded, a blow to Cavan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 04:14:33 PM
Never a black card
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 04:15:40 PM
Thatíll do the job to drag Donegal back into it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: The Trap on November 22, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
Cavan had started too well for barry cassidy so he decided to give the favs a helping hand.....well known for that is Barry
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 22, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
Ryan McHugh is always throwing the hands up screaming thatís heís always hard done by. Itís clearly a Donegal tactic, and it worked there. I donít think the ref was for doing anything until he threw the hands up.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 04:18:27 PM
Ryan McHugh is always throwing the hands up screaming thatís heís always hard done by. Itís clearly a Donegal tactic, and it worked there. I donít think the ref was for doing anything until he threw the hands up.

Even if it is a Donegal thing, he is by far the worst at it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: trileacman on November 22, 2020, 04:18:32 PM
Thatís just a f**king joke of a decision
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 04:18:51 PM
Early days yet but Cavan giving a far better account of themselves than Armagh against Donegal.

They really turned it on after the water break against us
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on November 22, 2020, 04:19:08 PM
Never a black card
Ryan McHugh made an absolute meal of it, had a real hissy fit on his knees!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: StephenC on November 22, 2020, 04:19:44 PM
Clear black card, not sure how it could be see otherwise. He deliberately ran across Ryan.

After a shakey start our attack has started to click - still look very open at the back.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 04:20:41 PM
Cassidy fucked any chance Cavan had here, 5 scores on the trot in the black card time for Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 04:22:16 PM
Clear black card, not sure how it could be see otherwise. He deliberately ran across Ryan.

After a shakey start our attack has started to click - still look very open at the back.

McHugh ran across him just as much.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: trileacman on November 22, 2020, 04:24:07 PM
Cassidy riding Cavan out of it here
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 04:24:15 PM
Never a black card
Ryan McHugh made an absolute meal of it, had a real hissy fit on his knees!!

Heís always at that. Hard to like him. Fantastic player though
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 04:24:29 PM
Cassidy is absolutely riding Cavan here.

O'Reilly was swung around by the shoulders there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: square_ball on November 22, 2020, 04:27:29 PM
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
Thatís nasty looking
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 04:28:16 PM
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.
I actually think he did too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 04:28:25 PM
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.

I donít know about that
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: themac_23 on November 22, 2020, 04:29:25 PM
Big team bias, Cavan having to work twice as hard for frees and the black was a joke
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
Hard to say there but could easily have been a red. Cavan have cause to be furious at some of the decisions made by Cassidy here.

It was 0-05 - 0-02 Cavan before the black card and I think 0-9 - 0-06 Donegal by the end of it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 04:30:37 PM
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.

Left the elbow in to do the Cavan player. That was a horrible cheap shot. Should have been a red card. If Donegal win this he should get a retrospective ban for that
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: yellowcard on November 22, 2020, 04:30:50 PM
Woeful refereeing by Cassidy, Cavan can feel very hard done by, the game changed on the black card.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Tatler Jack on November 22, 2020, 04:31:16 PM
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.
I actually think he did too.

Absolutely. And Ger and McStay don't see it...trailing arm my ass. Sending off offence
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: yellowcard on November 22, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
Definite red card deliberately took out one of Cavanís best players.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:39:05 PM
It might be an Ulster final in Armagh in late November in front of no spectators, but you just knew there would be an ice cream van hanging around the place

An Ulster final is an Ulster final
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 22, 2020, 04:40:03 PM
I still donít see any way Donegal challenge Dublin. Very loose in defense. Still a very good team no doubt but not at that level.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:42:03 PM
That's a mark!

Cavan denied an almost certain point
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 04:42:44 PM
Cassidy has been worth 6 points to Donegal in that first half.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
Why didn't the ref give that last catch as a mark? Looked like he called it as he landed.

Ref has been the most important factor in Donegal leading at half time
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 22, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
It was blocked on the way in so no mark.

According to Marty Clarke.... who to be fair to him comes across very knowledgeable
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 04:44:46 PM
Suggestion it was touched on the way in (as in half blocked). Didnít see it myself.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
That was Cavans best 1st half of this years championship if they can deliver another good 2nd half performance they might just might produce a shock.

Cassidy is a poor ref and has favoured Donegal in that 1st half.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: JoG2 on November 22, 2020, 04:45:23 PM
That's a mark!

Cavan denied an almost certain point

Was half distracted, was the ball into McKiernan a free? If not, a certain mark
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: weareros on November 22, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
I know heís a Derryman but must have some Donegal blood. Very harsh on Cavan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 22, 2020, 04:46:46 PM
Donegal would want to wake up. Cavan seem far more up for this, and are defending like terriers. We got lucky with the black card or weíd be in trouble. Bonner better be reading the riot act.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: JoG2 on November 22, 2020, 04:48:29 PM
I know heís a Derryman but must have some Donegal blood. Very harsh on Cavan.

Both parents from Donegal, has a caravan in The Downings, favours suits by Magee and Football Special is his favourite tipple.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 22, 2020, 04:49:34 PM
That ref has never been very good tbh.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: the half-time show on November 22, 2020, 04:50:18 PM
Having watched Cassidy on numerous occasions I am simply shocked that he has been the dominant factor in this game  ::)

Thereís a reason why heís only had 3 Ulster Championship games before now & is better known as a linesman in the bigger games.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: StephenC on November 22, 2020, 04:50:30 PM
Cassidy has certainly been easier on us. Sure looked like a mark at the end - must have been a very small touch if there was one.

Having just seen the black card, I'll change my position - it was very harsh.

On first look, I felt the McGonagle challenge was accidental - looked like he was tracking his man. But will need to see it again. Hope Galligan is OK.

We'll need to tighten up at the back if we're to win this, and to take a goal chance when it comes along.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 04:54:59 PM
Cavan needed a bit of luck in this game and thanks to Barry Cassidy its Donegal getting it all. Galligan gone now for 2nd half, massive loss and a serious injustice.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Hound on November 22, 2020, 04:58:56 PM
Black card was a borderline decision. Deliberate or not?
Only the player will know for sure and the ref just had a moment to make up his mind. Tomas OSe thought it was deliberate, OíRourke thought it wasnít.
I would not have given the card on the basis I couldnít be sure it was deliberate. Albeit if he wasnít looking to take out McHugh, what was he trying to do?

Fair to say more of the borderline decisions have gone Donegalís way.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:07:13 PM
What a miss

Donegal's defence opened up like the Red Sea there
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 05:07:19 PM
Big goal chance not taken for Cavan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 22, 2020, 05:09:05 PM
Cavan playing fantastic stuff, great commitment and ability. No luck regarding chances and referring decisions. Hope they can go on and win it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:10:57 PM
Cassidy bowing to every shout from the Donegal sideline.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:11:09 PM
Thomas Galligan today is the Gaelic football equivalent of those cartoon characters who are followed around by their own personal rain shower

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: themac_23 on November 22, 2020, 05:11:40 PM
Cassidy bowing to every shout from the Donegal sideline.

That free McGee got there is laughable. Cassidy is properly riding Cavan here
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 05:11:50 PM
Gerard Smith?  ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
The defensive effort and heart shown by Cavan has been unreal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 05:12:50 PM
That two marshmallow soft frees Donegal have scored from 2nd half.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: The Trap on November 22, 2020, 05:13:04 PM
Its actually turning into a disgusting refereeing performance now
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:13:56 PM
McBrearty must have taken about 10 steps there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: yellowcard on November 22, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
Neil McGee and Murphy looking their age today, Cavan if it werenít for Cassidy would be well on their way to winning this.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 22, 2020, 05:16:44 PM
Cavan are going to win this
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: SouthDublinBro on November 22, 2020, 05:16:47 PM
Mickey Graham seems to have the makings of a very good manager. Declan Bonner for Donegal on the other hand lacks that personality.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 05:17:09 PM
Some calls are very soft. But itís not making Cavan lose this game thereís 19 minutes to go if Cavan get another chance on the goal theyíll take it. Donegal need to raise their game but momentum will play a big part on this, depends on who gets it!

Another Black card! f**k me
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:17:13 PM
This is the worst ever.

Cassidy should never ref intercounty again. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:17:26 PM
There is so much to admire about this Cavan team

Another black card

Conor Madden seconds after he scored a beauty of a point

The fix is in
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 22, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
That was definitely a black card!

Apart from that call Cassidy has been horrific though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 05:18:13 PM
That was definitely a black card!
Think so too tbh.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 05:18:27 PM
Another soft black card. Donegal are poxed to be leading this match.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: yellowcard on November 22, 2020, 05:18:51 PM
Shades of Martin Sludden here. Heís lucky there arenít fans in the stadium today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 05:19:06 PM
This is a f**kin joke at this stage. Ref is just taking the piss at this stage
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:19:16 PM
Some calls are very soft. But itís not making Cavan lose this game thereís 19 minutes to go if Cavan get another chance on the goal theyíll take it. Donegal need to raise their game but momentum will play a big part on this, depends on who gets it!

Another Black card! f**k me

It was 0-6 to 0-01 in favour of Donegal in the first black card period. It made a huge, huge difference.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 05:19:50 PM
I think that one was a black card
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: bennydorano on November 22, 2020, 05:20:03 PM
Black card my hole. Cassidy is embarrassing himself here, he's screwing Cavan at every turn.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: rrhf on November 22, 2020, 05:20:24 PM
Derrymen destroy everything they touch
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 22, 2020, 05:20:29 PM
Yellow card offence, ref has rode Cavan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 05:21:02 PM
For me, it was a nailed on deliberate body collide and therefore a black card.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:22:24 PM
There is a purpose about the way Cavan are moving that Donegal just don't have at the moment
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 22, 2020, 05:22:48 PM
Cavan being absolutely rode today by Cassidy. 2 nin black cards and the non given mark the most blatant.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: twohands!!! on November 22, 2020, 05:23:05 PM
That was definitely a black card!

Apart from that call Cassidy has been horrific though.

Wording is critical here

Quote
5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.

Nailed on black card here.

I think this might be the offence for the first black card as well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on November 22, 2020, 05:23:12 PM
Well, whatever the outcome here, Dublin will win the All-Ireland pulling up.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:23:47 PM
Level game

Donegal seem shell shocked that they're in a fight here

And now a chance to go ahead
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 22, 2020, 05:23:52 PM
Cavan supporters should be so proud of their team.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 05:24:07 PM
That was definitely a black card!

Apart from that call Cassidy has been horrific though.

Wording is critical here

Quote
5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.

Nailed on black card here.

I think this might be the offence for the first black card as well.

You couldnít say the first one was deliberate
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: straightred on November 22, 2020, 05:24:13 PM
he's started to give cavan a few decisions now. About time too
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 05:25:02 PM
Cavan take a deserved lead. 8 minutes of normal time left.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 05:26:41 PM
Great save
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Cavan have showed such an indomitable spirit in this championship that you can't help but root for them

Even if Dublin would pummel them

Oisin Kiernan with a beauty to go ahead again
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: themac_23 on November 22, 2020, 05:30:32 PM
After watching last nights game and tonightís I would give anything for the GAA to do away with the black card and the mark, 2 stupid rules killing the game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 05:31:05 PM
Cavan have showed such an indomitable spirit in this championship that you can't help but root for them

Even if Dublin would pummel them

Oisin Kiernan with a beauty to go ahead again

Heroic effort. Will the 20 min at 14 men be an issue in the last few min?

What a goal chance for Cavan and don't even get a point
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: MayoBuck on November 22, 2020, 05:33:54 PM
Galligan is some warrior
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 22, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
Langan never missed as much
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 05:34:26 PM
Jaysus
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:34:41 PM
Incredible

Incredible

Incredible!!!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 22, 2020, 05:34:53 PM
Langan never missed as much

Last year against Mayo in a similarly tense game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: square_ball on November 22, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
Jesus Mary and st Joseph.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:35:06 PM
What odds a Tipp and Cavan double today?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: omagh_gael on November 22, 2020, 05:35:28 PM
Holy f**k, come on Cavan!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 22, 2020, 05:35:32 PM
Well done Cavan.

Thoroughly deserved.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 05:35:35 PM
YESSSSSSSS

From screaming at him for wasting the free to roaring for the goal.

Justice hopefully about to be done
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: screenexile on November 22, 2020, 05:36:26 PM
Fair play to Cavan well worth their victory both them and Tipperary have been magnificent!!

Dublin may get the pipe and slippers theyíll cruise the next 2 games. Will Mayo be able to do anything? Hard to see it!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: shantygael on November 22, 2020, 05:36:36 PM
Hon cavan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: square_ball on November 22, 2020, 05:36:41 PM
Thomas Galligan what a player he is. All star in the bag after that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: shantygael on November 22, 2020, 05:37:19 PM
Hon  cavan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Niall Quinn on November 22, 2020, 05:38:25 PM
Same semi final line up as 1920 looking good now!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: StephenC on November 22, 2020, 05:38:30 PM
Well you can't argue with that. 2 soft black cards and some dodgy decisions against them and Cavan still showed what you need to win an Ulster title. Hats off to them.

Hard to know what we were at TBH. Unclear what our gameplan was and we were incapable of getting our main men on the ball. Anyway, that's for another day. Congrats Cavan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 05:38:35 PM
Christ! Well done Cavan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 05:38:40 PM
Brilliant. Well done
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: JoG2 on November 22, 2020, 05:38:49 PM
Delighted for Cavan... What a warrior like performance
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 05:38:54 PM
Only beat us by 4 ffs!  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:38:59 PM
Unreal.

That performance from Cavan was outstanding, the courage, heart and bravery on display there today was outrageous.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:39:32 PM
Wow

Take a bow Mickey Graham and team

They've done something absolutely remarkable for their county

One of the greatest Ulster titles ever won

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: StephenC on November 22, 2020, 05:39:43 PM
Well you can't argue with that. 2 soft black cards and some dodgy decisions against them and Cavan still showed what you need to win an Ulster title. Hats off to them.

Hard to know what we were at TBH. Unclear what our gameplan was and we were incapable of getting our main men on the ball. Anyway, that's for another day. Congrats Cavan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: The Trap on November 22, 2020, 05:40:02 PM
Well done Cavan.....superb display.....tomas galligan take a bow son
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 22, 2020, 05:40:48 PM
Nothing against Donegal,  but this was a heroic performance from Cavan, delighted for them. Team of the 2020 championship. McKiernan and O Reilly deserve their moment in the sun.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 22, 2020, 05:40:53 PM
Fan-tache-tic!!

Well done Cavan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 05:40:57 PM
Delighted for Cavan. What a day for the provincial championships with Cavan and Tipperary winning enjoy the celebrations lads. An awful shame Cavan supporters aren't on the field right now with their heroes.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 05:41:12 PM
A bit of pluck there from Cavan, Donegal were lackadaisical, no intensity no urgency.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 22, 2020, 05:42:46 PM
Well you can't argue with that. 2 soft black cards and some dodgy decisions against them and Cavan still showed what you need to win an Ulster title. Hats off to them.

Hard to know what we were at TBH. Unclear what our gameplan was and we were incapable of getting our main men on the ball. Anyway, that's for another day. Congrats Cavan.

Looks like a few boys got distracted by the Dublin talk.

Cavan won every 50/50 ball, didnít give us a sniff after the half hour mark, and thoroughly deserved that win.

Reminded me of the Monaghan final in 2013.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: bennydorano on November 22, 2020, 05:42:55 PM
Congrats & all the credit in the world due to Cavan!

Dunno what Donegal were at, thinking of the Dubs no doubt.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 05:43:02 PM
Well done Cavan. Best team won in the end. Delighted for them

What did Donegal score in the 2nd half, 3 points?

Michael Murphy looked like his legs have gone. He was anonymous today.

Only for some poor shooting towards the end Cavan would have won more comfortably. Martin Reilly and Thomas Galligan were immense
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 22, 2020, 05:43:35 PM
Congratulations Cavan, terrific effort and well deserved title.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 05:43:44 PM
Some eye on him lol
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2020, 05:43:51 PM
Superb display by Cavan. I had Donegal down as a certainty for this one, but totally underestimated Cavans indominatible spirit. Not to mention some superb players all over the pitch. Defence outstanding. What a day for the underdog, and humblest apologies if I treated Cavan with disrespect earlier in the week. Enjoy the day and the weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
Great to see, well done Cavan.
Donegal arrogance cost them, they thought it would be a breeze today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: weareros on November 22, 2020, 05:44:08 PM
Well done Cavan. Justice done in the end. The fight and hunger was as good as youíll ever see. Great day for Gaelic Football overall.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: SouthDublinBro on November 22, 2020, 05:44:38 PM
A bit of pluck there from Cavan, Donegal were lackadaisical, no intensity no urgency.

Give Cavan more credit than that. "A bit of pluck" you're still obviously sore about them doing Monaghan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: CK_Redhand on November 22, 2020, 05:44:52 PM
Tyrone beat cavan by 16 points last year. Ben mcdonnell goal. Some turn round for cavan, well deserving champions
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 05:45:13 PM
Semi finals exactly as they were in 1920
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armamike on November 22, 2020, 05:45:20 PM
Wow.  What a result. Where did that come from for Cavan? Some turnaround from the league.  Donegal will be sick though. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Schkite on November 22, 2020, 05:45:57 PM
Mental, what a day for the underdog.

Well deserved Cavan, best team in Ulster this year and did it the hard way coming from the prelim round on a tight schedule
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 22, 2020, 05:46:14 PM
Well done Cavan. Best team won.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
Cavan have been the team of destiny in this Ulster Championship

But there's no such thing as destiny
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 22, 2020, 05:46:48 PM
Wow.  What a result. Where did that come from for Cavan? Some turnaround from the league.  Donegal will be sick though.

We got what we deserved.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 05:46:55 PM
Iíd Cavan even money +8!!!

Was waiting on this for my 4 timer which had Galway -1 Dubs -10 and Tipp +4!

Happy days
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tintin25 on November 22, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
Will Cavan still be playing in the 2nd tier next year? (if they don't get promoted or make an Ulster final)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2020, 05:49:26 PM
Mighty win for Cavan. Delighted for them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 05:50:02 PM
Will Cavan still be playing in the 2nd tier next year? (if they don't get promoted or make an Ulster final)
They can join Tipp in the b championship
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:51:18 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.

Will Cavan still be playing in the 2nd tier next year? (if they don't get promoted or make an Ulster final)

The concept of the second tier hasn't really done well this weekend.
There are 8 or 10 complete also rans, there are another 20 teams that compete among themselves, and Dublin.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 22, 2020, 05:51:30 PM
Great to see. Its unlikely.......it's very very unlikely...... but 2020 could see a Cavan v Tipp football final......
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: seafoid on November 22, 2020, 05:51:57 PM
Fair play to Cavan

https://youtu.be/G5QPirQITZI
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tyroneman on November 22, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
Some emotions on show from the Cavan lads. Just shows what this means to them. Heartwarming stuff.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:53:41 PM
The Ulster Football Championship is truly special.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:53:58 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: StephenC on November 22, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
Well you can't argue with that. 2 soft black cards and some dodgy decisions against them and Cavan still showed what you need to win an Ulster title. Hats off to them.

Hard to know what we were at TBH. Unclear what our gameplan was and we were incapable of getting our main men on the ball. Anyway, that's for another day. Congrats Cavan.

Looks like a few boys got distracted by the Dublin talk.

Cavan won every 50/50 ball, didnít give us a sniff after the half hour mark, and thoroughly deserved that win.

Reminded me of the Monaghan final in 2013.

Yeah, had that feel about it. We may not like it, but there's no avoiding the fact that this team has, for 3 years in a row, not been able to deliver in a knock-out high-intensity game. Our younger lads looked VERY young today. And old older lads looked old. It's a sobering day.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: grounded on November 22, 2020, 05:56:48 PM
Over the moon for Cavan. Got to say i didnt see it coming. Delighted
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 05:57:02 PM
That second half by Donegal was reminiscent of the Mayo game last year in the 2nd half. Last year against Mayo all the Donegal players went missing and it was left to Michael Murphy to try and do it all on his own. Today I'm the 2nd half all Donegal's big guns disappeared again and with Murphy struggling no one stood up to show any leadership. Even before the goal Cavan had got on top at that stage and they were the ones driving forward looking for the victory
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
The difference a good coach makes is phenomenal

Mickey Graham has now added an Ulster title to a Leinster club title with Mullinyachta which was won against the might of the biggest club in Ireland, Kilmacud Crokes - that is serious going

Declan Bonner will be under pressure now

Donegal looking extremely impressive and then failing when it matters seems to be becoming a pattern
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 05:57:41 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.

Absolutely
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 22, 2020, 05:57:42 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.

Totally agree
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rudi on November 22, 2020, 05:58:01 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.

That's a very valid point. Dublin have enough advantages as is.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: square_ball on November 22, 2020, 05:59:20 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
The difference a good coach makes is phenomenal

Mickey Graham has now added an Ulster title to a Leinster club title with Mullinyachta which was won against the might of the biggest club in Ireland, Kilmacud Crokes - that is serious going

Declan Bonner will be under pressure now

Donegal looking extremely impressive and then failing when it matters seems to be becoming a pattern

3 years in a row now theyíve fallen flat on their faces in an effective quarter final. Bonnar could be looking over his shoulder.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
The difference a good coach makes is phenomenal

Mickey Graham has now added an Ulster title to a Leinster club title with Mullinyachta which was won against the might of the biggest club in Ireland, Kilmacud Crokes - that is serious going

Declan Bonner will be under pressure now

Donegal looking extremely impressive and then failing when it matters seems to be becoming a pattern

3 years in a row now theyíve fallen flat on their faces in an effective quarter final. Bonnar could be looking over his shoulder.

They continue to flatter to deceive under Bonner alright.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on November 22, 2020, 06:08:32 PM
They have too many attacking players. Eoin mchugh is a half forward playing corner back and ban Gallagher is a roving half back. You can get away with one but not two in corner back.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 06:09:36 PM
Against Armagh, Donegal had the wind and Armagh didn't get a couple of early chances, so Donegal went ahead and Armagh lost their composure completely. In that environment, Donegal certainly looked good. Today, Cavan kept coming at them and Donegal did not really perform.
Good to see that games do not always go to script.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: yellowcard on November 22, 2020, 06:12:10 PM
That was some display by Cavan, the performance analysts and stats men will be scratching their heads as the game was won with a level of intensity, controlled aggression and pure raw emotion that rendered systems and processes redundant.

That was the highlight of the GAA year and I donít think it will be bettered, the post match interviews just showed what it meant. A great sporting day for Gaelic football.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 06:13:30 PM
Cavan's fitness levels in the games so far have looked top class. They have lots of athletic players around the middle of the pitch in the likes of Galligan, Brady, Smith, Clarke etc there.

Also fair play to someone like Martin Reilly who has hung on in there with Cavan through all the lean years.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: befair on November 22, 2020, 06:14:33 PM
Donegal over-rated because Armagh were so poor; as with Cork, probably felt they only had to turn up. Cavan deserve the title; as I recall, in the prelim round, they were 6 pts down to Monaghan with 10 mins to go, and looking pretty abject. But great spirit and heart and determination got them through in the end
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 22, 2020, 06:14:57 PM
Cavan Dublin should be in Navan

Tipp Mayo should be in Salthill

Guaranteed theyíll both be at Croke Park though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
Galliganís interview on bbc bear had me in tears.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: An Watcher on November 22, 2020, 06:16:26 PM
Brilliant performance, renews my faith in gaelic football a bit. Also, rubbishes the idea of doing away with the provincial championships. Dublin will probably hammer them but who cares
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: An Watcher on November 22, 2020, 06:17:52 PM
Valid point from mcconville there. Why should the semi finals be in croker. Take them to a wet n windy athletic grounds or portlaoise
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: clawaddy on November 22, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Brilliant day for gaelic football. Great to see the raw emotion which has been missing these last few years. If this was any other year Donegal, Tyrone, Cork ,Kerry etc would have another chance and the stronger teams would survive. Hopefully this will put an end to the back door and the B championship
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 06:22:16 PM
Cavan Dublin should be in Navan

Tipp Mayo should be in Salthill

Guaranteed theyíll both be at Croke Park though.

At the very least Dublin will be forced out of their home dressing home at Croke Park against "An Cabhan", right??
Ath Cliath will have to take the second changing room.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 06:22:20 PM
As memorable an afternoon of Gaelic football as I can remember, it was as earth shattering as FA Cup semi-final day 1990, perhaps the last afternoon of Gaelic football that made anything like this sort of impact was the time Kerry and Tyrone were taken out by Down and Dublin in 2010

And certain people said the public didn't care about the county game (hello Joe)

They may have to re-evaluate their stance now

The 1920 All-Ireland semi-final between Dublin and Cavan was in Navan

I'd be happy enough with that again

I think there's an argument to say that the county season should move back to later in the year on a permanent basis, have it from say August onwards with the finals at the end of October or even into November

Play the club championships from April until July

That way the club championships still get the long evenings and decent ground and also serve as a genuine proving ground for county teams - and cut back on the all consuming county training scene


Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.

Itís hard to argue with that reasoning.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 22, 2020, 06:23:59 PM
Congrats to Cavan. Guts, passion and pure belief to end their Ulster famine.  Mickey Graham deserves all the praise he's getting. Learnt from the last 3 Ulster championship games and got his team to produce a top 70 minutes performance today in truth they really should have beaten Donegal by more and they learnt loads from last year's 5 point Ulster final defeat.

They are now in bonus territory and the Cavan posters on here who had no faith after league relegation should be very proud of their team tonight.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: PMG1 on November 22, 2020, 06:27:46 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.

Will Cavan still be playing in the 2nd tier next year? (if they don't get promoted or make an Ulster final)

The concept of the second tier hasn't really done well this weekend.
There are 8 or 10 complete also rans, there are another 20 teams that compete among themselves, and Dublin.
The second tier makes no difference to what happened today, teams only enter the second tier after they exit their provincial championship so both Cavan and Tipp would have still been able to do what they done today
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.

Itís hard to argue with that reasoning.
Looking better on TV is very much in the eye of the beholder

Armagh is a great winter venue, the Athletic Grounds has a nice ambience, the surface was good, and it looked very well on television today, as did Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday and today

I think a smaller ground looks better empty than Croke Park does - even with crowds, Croke Park requires a minimum of 50k to not feel lonely

Maybe they could even hold the final in Armagh - if NI allows crowds in - and something like 1,000 people attended the play off at Windsor Park last week, why not hold it in there and let at least a few hundred in
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 06:34:05 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.

Itís hard to argue with that reasoning.
Looking better on TV is very much in the eye of the beholder

Armagh is a great winter venue, the Athletic Grounds has a nice ambience, the surface was good, and it looked very well on television today, as did Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday and today

I think a smaller ground looks better empty than Croke Park does - even with crowds, Croke Park requires a minimum of 50k to not feel lonely

Maybe they could even hold the final in Armagh - if NI allows crowds in - and something like 1,000 people attended the play off at Windsor Park last week, why not hold it in there and let at least a few hundred in

Itís really not Sid.

You might find Armagh pretty. But Croke Park has innumerable fixed cameras, overhead cameras and Hawkeye.

It will provide a better visual experience for the tv viewer.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Rossfan on November 22, 2020, 06:41:58 PM
Well done Cavan.
Great to see one of the old traditional Counties doing the job.
Ye'll hardly be too worried about th'oul relegation now!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: balladmaker on November 22, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
Armagh must have taken more out of Donegal last week than we realised 😊

Seriously though, fair play Cavan, team of 2020 so far, some team spirit, a well deserved Ulster! 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: yellowcard on November 22, 2020, 06:46:15 PM
There is something more atmospheric about a game played under floodlights. Moreso with fans but it also looks visually better. Same applies in soccer.

Logic would dictate that the semi finals be held at neutral venues but I suspect the GAA sponsors and marketing men will have their say. Letís hope not.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
The campaign to bring the Dubs out of Croker must continue, especially this year when the capacity to hold a large audience cannot be used.  Half way venue between the competing finalists.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 06:52:09 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.

Itís hard to argue with that reasoning.
Looking better on TV is very much in the eye of the beholder

Armagh is a great winter venue, the Athletic Grounds has a nice ambience, the surface was good, and it looked very well on television today, as did Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday and today

I think a smaller ground looks better empty than Croke Park does - even with crowds, Croke Park requires a minimum of 50k to not feel lonely

Maybe they could even hold the final in Armagh - if NI allows crowds in - and something like 1,000 people attended the play off at Windsor Park last week, why not hold it in there and let at least a few hundred in

Itís really not Sid.

You might find Armagh pretty. But Croke Park has innumerable fixed cameras, overhead cameras and Hawkeye.

It will provide a better visual experience for the tv viewer.
Well I'm a TV viewer and would beg to disagree

I suspect many others would too

There is something crushing and soulless about an empty Croke Park that isn't there to the same extent at a venue like Armagh

Also given that there are no corporate commitments to fulfil there is no need for Croke Park for this match

As a Dub, I say level the playing field and give Cavan the neutral venue

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: larryin89 on November 22, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
The campaign to bring the Dubs out of Croker must continue, especially this year when the capacity to hold a large audience cannot be used.  Half way venue between the competing finalists.

100% and to hell with the rubbish spouted about players wanting to play in croke park , that's mostly in the context of the big day and big crowd .

No crowds no reason for dubs to have advantage
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
I'm not that bothered where we beat Dublin! ;)

What a win, so proud of them lads and sick I can't he there at breffni this evening to welcome them home. But what a win and what a day.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2020, 06:57:59 PM
Thats what its all about Itchy. You must be bouncing with joy....today was as good as it gets for the under dog and thats what keeps all the lower tier counties living in hope, by witnessing performances and occasions like today.

Im proud to say Antrim at least gave you a competitive game, every scrap of encouragement is needed!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 07:07:08 PM
Thats what its all about Itchy. You must be bouncing with joy....today was as good as it gets for the under dog and thats what keeps all the lower tier counties living in hope, by witnessing performances and occasions like today.

Im proud to say Antrim at least gave you a competitive game, every scrap of encouragement is needed!

That's it, that goal chance ye had goes in and Antrim couldve won. That's the beauty of competitive ulster championship and knock out football.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
A great day for the GAA today with two massive underdogs really coming to the fore and ending long famines at provincial level.

But both were nearly derailed by two utterly shambolic refereeing performances. When are the GAA going to do something about some of the shambolic refereeing performances we see week in week out during Championship season?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LaurelEye on November 22, 2020, 07:23:04 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.


I can think of a grounds in Leinster that the Cavan management may be familiar with. ;D

Well done Mickey and JD.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 07:24:20 PM
It's often said that being involved in inter-county football or hurling in the modern era is no fun, that's it's a pure grind

One thing that is very obvious from just looking at or listening to Mickey Graham is that he brings a huge sense of fun and enjoyment to that Cavan team

Indomitable spirit like that does not happen by accident, it comes from having fun, from enjoyment, from trust, from loyalty, from the dressing room not being a grind but a happy place where players want to be

You need modern thinking, but you also need the very best of old school values

It's a massive lesson to some other bigger counties

You couldn't but be so happy for Cavan people, they'll be talking about this Ulster title for decades
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: yellowcard on November 22, 2020, 07:31:47 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.

Itís hard to argue with that reasoning.
Looking better on TV is very much in the eye of the beholder

Armagh is a great winter venue, the Athletic Grounds has a nice ambience, the surface was good, and it looked very well on television today, as did Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday and today

I think a smaller ground looks better empty than Croke Park does - even with crowds, Croke Park requires a minimum of 50k to not feel lonely

Maybe they could even hold the final in Armagh - if NI allows crowds in - and something like 1,000 people attended the play off at Windsor Park last week, why not hold it in there and let at least a few hundred in

Itís really not Sid.

You might find Armagh pretty. But Croke Park has innumerable fixed cameras, overhead cameras and Hawkeye.

It will provide a better visual experience for the tv viewer.
Well I'm a TV viewer and would beg to disagree

I suspect many others would too

There is something crushing and soulless about an empty Croke Park that isn't there to the same extent at a venue like Armagh

Also given that there are no corporate commitments to fulfil there is no need for Croke Park for this match

As a Dub, I say level the playing field and give Cavan the neutral venue

I donít think the Dubs would have any complaints either and I donít think it will make any difference to the result. I agree that Croke Park is soulless when empty when all you can hear is a loud shrill echo.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: clarshack on November 22, 2020, 07:53:02 PM
Well Done To Cavan and letís hope they can give the Dubs a better game than what they got last night from Meath. Iíd agree that the semis should be taken out of Croke Park which would help Cavan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 07:55:09 PM
I'm not that bothered where we beat Dublin! ;)

What a win, so proud of them lads and sick I can't he there at breffni this evening to welcome them home. But what a win and what a day.

Well done Itchy, your boys played a hell of a game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 08:00:04 PM
Galliganís interview on bbc bear had me in tears.

Great stuff by him and his manager on tv.  Pure speaking from the heart instead of this robotic prehersed stuff that managers and players come out with.

Cavan played with passion from the first whistle. The goalie said they talked during the week about having a cut at it and that's what they did.

Too many managers, and by extension players, just go through the motions - routine stuff with no passion etc.  Graham is some manager- he has something which other managers like Bonner and Gallagher etc. don't have...passion with no little tactical nous and skill.

A great day for Cavan and their people - a huge gaa traditional county.

100 years after Bloody Sunday, the 4 same teams are in the semi-finala.  That's magic.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 08:02:38 PM
Cavan Dublin should be in Navan

Tipp Mayo should be in Salthill

Guaranteed theyíll both be at Croke Park though.

At the very least Dublin will be forced out of their home dressing home at Croke Park against "An Cabhan", right??
Ath Cliath will have to take the second changing room.

#armaghornowhere
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 08:04:45 PM
I'm not that bothered where we beat Dublin! ;)

What a win, so proud of them lads and sick I can't he there at breffni this evening to welcome them home. But what a win and what a day.

Great stuff Itchy.

You must be incredibly proud this evening.

From Shannon Gaels to Munsterconnacht and everywhere in between.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 22, 2020, 08:05:38 PM
Jesus them interviews after the match were great. Some passion left in the game yet. Well done Cavan im now a fan 😊
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2020, 08:21:20 PM
This Cavan team have lit up the championship....4 wins in 4 weeks!  Fair to say the whole of Ulster and just about everywhere else Itchy will be rooting for Cavan now after that. I never fancied a team as much as today and have never been so wrong. Sport can be a great leveller.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 08:35:39 PM
This illustrates that the Ulster championship is indeed a proper competition. If someone asked you who would be in the Ulster final in 2030, you might express a slight preference for Donegal or Tyrone and perhaps suggest that Fermanagh lacks the pick, but a few years down the line you really couldn't really say. Even Antrim, long in a slump, came as close to the Ulster champions this year as anyone and an interesting choice of managerial team might bring them onwards.
Both Cavan and Tipperary built on underage success, nothing of the one day wonder there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
Cheers lads. Could be mayhem this eve at Breffni,  some footage already doesn't look good. Hard to keep a lid on this. 40th ulster title, people are going to go nuts.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 08:41:11 PM
More nuts than normal nuts?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 08:41:55 PM
Might even spend a fiver between them!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
More nuts than normal nuts?

Possibly nuts squared
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: pbat on November 22, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
Has Patton's soccer background came back to haunt him. There is no questioning his kick out ability but his tendency to punch everything has caught up with him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:57:56 PM
Has Patton's soccer background came back to haunt him. There is no questioning his kick out ability but his tendency to punch everything has caught up with him.

He was targeted by long ball surely
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:58:38 PM
Might even spend a fiver between them!

Its great to see the 1970s cutting edge comedy of Niall Tobin is alive and well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Erne Man on November 22, 2020, 09:01:11 PM
Well done Cavan - fantastic result today - winning Ulster from the preliminary round is a massive achievement.
We can only look across the border enviously, at a manager who uses the resources he has to the max, and ensures that his players, are playing in a way that best utilises their strengths. Some of the individual performances today, and over the previous 3 games have been heroic. It was great to see players going at it, not afraid to take on chances, and not stuck in rigid systems.
Enjoy the celebrations - and good luck in the semi.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Saffrongael on November 22, 2020, 09:03:26 PM
Might even spend a fiver between them!

Its great to see the 1970s cutting edge comedy of Niall Tobin is alive and well.

The Cavan Gabe Hurl

Well done Cavan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: trileacman on November 22, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
Well done Cavan - fantastic result today - winning Ulster from the preliminary round is a massive achievement.
We can only look across the border enviously, at a manager who uses the resources he has to the max, and ensures that his players, are playing in a way that best utilises their strengths. Some of the individual performances today, and over the previous 3 games have been heroic. It was great to see players going at it, not afraid to take on chances, and not stuck in rigid systems.
Enjoy the celebrations - and good luck in the semi.

Bit of a difference in the ability of the two sides though. Most of these Cavan players are underage ulster champions.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
Galliganís interview on bbc bear had me in tears.

Great stuff by him and his manager on tv.  Pure speaking from the heart instead of this robotic prehersed stuff that managers and players come out with.

Cavan played with passion from the first whistle. The goalie said they talked during the week about having a cut at it and that's what they did.

Too many managers, and by extension players, just go through the motions - routine stuff with no passion etc.  Graham is some manager- he has something which other managers like Bonner and Gallagher etc. don't have...passion with no little tactical nous and skill.

A great day for Cavan and their people - a huge gaa traditional county.

100 years after Bloody Sunday, the 4 same teams are in the semi-finala.  That's magic.

Excellent post and canít disagree with any of it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
Cheers lads. Could be mayhem this eve at Breffni,  some footage already doesn't look good. Hard to keep a lid on this. 40th ulster title, people are going to go nuts.

Itchy, we had some disagreements on here after our semifinals last year but by god Iím delighted for ye pal. Enjoy it. Iím not jealous at all. Promise
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: J70 on November 22, 2020, 09:35:21 PM
Has Patton's soccer background came back to haunt him. There is no questioning his kick out ability but his tendency to punch everything has caught up with him.

Yeah, heís been caught a few times this year at county and club.

I honestly donít think we would have won anyway. It was more likely Cavan would have hit an insurance point than us an equalizer IMO. You never know, of course, but that was no smash and grab where the mishit punch cost us the game. Only one team deserved to win that. Which makes it worse. Once again we wilted when the pressure came on. Three years in a row.

Hopefully weíll learn from it and come back in six months for another crack at it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Sandy Hill on November 22, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
The 1920 AIF wasnít played until June 1922 and was won by Tipperary who beat Dublin 1.06 to 1.02; the same again?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 09:45:02 PM
Cheers lads. Could be mayhem this eve at Breffni,  some footage already doesn't look good. Hard to keep a lid on this. 40th ulster title, people are going to go nuts.

Itchy, we had some disagreements on here after our semifinals last year but by god Iím delighted for ye pal. Enjoy it. Iím not jealous at all. Promise

No bother lad, sure I know I'm a contrary f**ker.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 09:51:01 PM
Cheers lads. Could be mayhem this eve at Breffni,  some footage already doesn't look good. Hard to keep a lid on this. 40th ulster title, people are going to go nuts.

Itchy, we had some disagreements on here after our semifinals last year but by god Iím delighted for ye pal. Enjoy it. Iím not jealous at all. Promise

No bother lad, sure I know I'm a contrary f**ker.

Well, I didnít want to say haha. Enjoy the celebrations. However youíre doing them. And stay safe
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: FermGael on November 22, 2020, 09:53:42 PM
Fair play to Cavan.
Fully deserved.
Just don't make a habit of it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 22, 2020, 10:31:06 PM
The 1920 AIF wasnít played until June 1922 and was won by Tipperary who beat Dublin 1.06 to 1.02; the same again?

Dublin scoring 1-2 ??
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LeoMc on November 22, 2020, 10:35:07 PM
Has Patton's soccer background came back to haunt him. There is no questioning his kick out ability but his tendency to punch everything has caught up with him.

He was targeted by long ball surely
He looked to be well off his line. He had to run back and turn to face the high ball coming in so prob not positioned to catch.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: illdecide on November 22, 2020, 10:36:40 PM
I was so glad to see Cavan win today...It's great to see a different team lift the cup but as a complete neutral i thought Cavan deserved it and genuinely thought they'd to work extra hard from the ref to get decisions. Honest opinion they'd to wait about 60 mins before he gave them a reasonable free, thought the two black cards were harsh and can't understand why he didn't allow the mark to Cavan but sure it didn't matter in the end and was delighted for Cavan. Unlucky Donegal, just wasn't your day but hey you guys can afford to share a bit of that around for the rest of us...
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2020, 10:46:19 PM
Thomas Galligan. What a performance. Every time he went for the ball I was wincing. His neck must've been in bits but he kept at it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 10:55:43 PM
Thomas Galligan. What a performance. Every time he went for the ball I was wincing. His neck must've been in bits but he kept at it.

There are some great pics of Thonas on twitter this eve, the die hard one isvtge best. Dont know how to stick them up here
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 10:58:46 PM
Galligan. Plays with a smile on his face while emptying everything that gets in his way. Such a footballer.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
That first injury reminded me of McGinley when he broke his neck in the AIF in 03 and played on. Ended up in a neck brace for ages.

That brilliant catch in the second half...my heart was in my mouth.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on November 22, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
Galligan. Plays with a smile on his face while emptying everything that gets in his way. Such a footballer.

So happy seeing him reach his potential. MOTM in McRory cup final and actually gave an exhibition versus Castlerahan in club championship this summer. Class act and great interviews.

Just seeing the joy. Class.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 22, 2020, 11:04:46 PM
Special special day. More than anything i'm delighted for the players who could easily have let their generation pass by without a reward. They went out and grabbed it today. Unreal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: restorepride on November 22, 2020, 11:18:22 PM
Great great victory for Cavan today.  Had the privilege to be there and from the start Cavan had a purpose and a confidence in their play that was different.  They seemed to sense that today was the day and that they had to make it happen - and they did.  Also thinking of people like Terry Hyland who contributed so much to the development of many of the players and thinking of Cian Mackey who just missed out on a deserved Ulster medal.  Glad that the 2 black cards didn't cost them as at least one looked suspect.  Mickey Graham's tactics superb. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2020, 11:27:04 PM
Great great victory for Cavan today.  Had the privilege to be there and from the start Cavan had a purpose and a confidence in their play that was different.  They seemed to sense that today was the day and that they had to make it happen - and they did.  Also thinking of people like Terry Hyland who contributed so much to the development of many of the players and thinking of Cian Mackey who just missed out on a deserved Ulster medal.  Glad that the 2 black cards didn't cost them as at least one looked suspect.  Mickey Graham's tactics superb.

Must be weird but intriguing in that atmosphere. You hear everything?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Gold on November 23, 2020, 12:34:25 AM
I'm not that bothered where we beat Dublin! ;)

What a win, so proud of them lads and sick I can't he there at breffni this evening to welcome them home. But what a win and what a day.

Delighted for you Itchy. What a great day for all neutral GAA fans

Hearing the players voices echo in an empty Croker is awful

Semis have to be in a neutral venue

#NavanOrNowhere
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 12:37:39 AM
Feck a neutral venue, go the whole hog and play it in Breffni Park

Dublin have played All-Ireland semi-finals in the home ground of the opposition before

It would be great to do so again, think of the interest it would create

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Gold on November 23, 2020, 12:46:31 AM
That first injury reminded me of McGinley when he broke his neck in the AIF in 03 and played on. Ended up in a neck brace for ages.

That brilliant catch in the second half...my heart was in my mouth.

That catch was INCREDIBLE ...flew into the TV screen ...at such a crucial time too. His neck, wrist and face all fcuked....what a warrior!

Red haired Corner back immense.

Barry Cassidy though...those 2 black cards were criminal. Cavan were rode. Donegal got a free on Neil magee and one McBrearty tapped over after a donegal player missed...for NOTHING!

Delighted they won. And Tipp!

Best GAA day in years.

James Smith is a baller. As is Madden.  What a team
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Eire90 on November 23, 2020, 02:09:59 AM
what made it great was the knockout factor would the celebrations have been as big if there was back door maybe but the defeat would not have been as devastating for Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Eire90 on November 23, 2020, 02:13:31 AM
I think the knockout factor has made the provincials more important  i dont think the provincials work under backdoor what i would do is if they go to a backdoor system get rid  of the super 8s and give the 4 provincial champions a home game in the quarter finals i dont know why they dont do that you should be awarded with home game for winning your province.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Eire90 on November 23, 2020, 02:24:12 AM
Anyway they need to get rid of super 8s this year shows knockout football is more intense they have the league for multiple game format no need to turn the all Ireland into league at that stage
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 23, 2020, 08:44:07 AM
That first injury reminded me of McGinley when he broke his neck in the AIF in 03 and played on. Ended up in a neck brace for ages.

That brilliant catch in the second half...my heart was in my mouth.

That catch was INCREDIBLE ...flew into the TV screen ...at such a crucial time too. His neck, wrist and face all fcuked....what a warrior!

Red haired Corner back immense.

Barry Cassidy though...those 2 black cards were criminal. Cavan were rode. Donegal got a free on Neil magee and one McBrearty tapped over after a donegal player missed...for NOTHING!

Delighted they won. And Tipp!

Best GAA day in years.

James Smith is a baller. As is Madden.  What a team

Can't think of many better days from a neutral point of view. Certainly not in a long time. Maybe 2004 quarter finals with Fermanagh shocking Armagh and Mayo beating defending champions Tyrone. To think this season nearly didn't happen and some people arguing it wouldn't mean anything without fans. Yesterday fairly ended that idea!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: armaghniac on November 23, 2020, 09:38:45 AM
what made it great was the knockout factor would the celebrations have been as big if there was back door maybe but the defeat would not have been as devastating for Donegal.

I don't think Tipperary or Cavan would have enjoyed winning less if there was a backdoor, but as you say Donegal might not have been as devastated.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on November 23, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Magical weekend of football with both Tipp and Cavan tearing up the script. 
Cavan were wonderful to watch and it goes to show that a team with absolute belief in themselves can achieve anything.  I am more an advocate of the knockout system now than I ever was. 

As Mc Conville stated also, should the semi final be played in Croke Park? I donít believe it should? No fans should surely dictate a neutral venue?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 23, 2020, 10:21:07 AM
Magical weekend of football with both Tipp and Cavan tearing up the script. 
Cavan were wonderful to watch and it goes to show that a team with absolute belief in themselves can achieve anything.  I am more an advocate of the knockout system now than I ever was. 

As Mc Conville stated also, should the semi final be played in Croke Park? I donít believe it should? No fans should surely dictate a neutral venue?

Should be in Armagh or Newry. Especially if teams arent travelling on buses.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 23, 2020, 10:29:40 AM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?

Absolutely fine by Cavan. Let them do that, that's a sure fire way of slipping up. If they take one eye off, that's when a team like Cavan will beat you, a team when doesn't know it's dead and won't go away will take advantage of concentration slipping

Seems Donegal did take their eye off the ball and looked to Dublin, but Cavan also raised the game immensely too. I knew we had a chance. Got to say there was huge disrespect coming to Cavan both here and from all corners including the media, seeing odds against Cavan. Which were mad considering the path of both teams last few years. There wasn't that much between them. We'll enjoy our title anyway, and look forward to Dublin in 2 weeks. No fear now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on November 23, 2020, 10:39:21 AM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 23, 2020, 10:42:57 AM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?

Ah jaysus, he will don't worry about that man. Its only bruising and cuts he has.

Anyone know will the game be on the BBC player, don't see it there this morning but all the other games were?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Dreadnought on November 23, 2020, 10:49:01 AM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?

Ah jaysus, he will don't worry about that man. Its only bruising and cuts he has.

Anyone know will the game be on the BBC player, don't see it there this morning but all the other games were?

I can't see it up yet. NI things can go up a bit slowly, I'd expect that to be up soon though. Lucky I have it recorded, so going to rewatch it now!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on November 23, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?

Ah jaysus, he will don't worry about that man. Its only bruising and cuts he has.

Anyone know will the game be on the BBC player, don't see it there this morning but all the other games were?

He was holding his wrist a lot during the interview so thought it could be more serious than bruising.
Hope to Christ he is ok.

A lot has to be said for a team going out and having a go at it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 23, 2020, 11:09:34 AM
Last night the GAA fixtures page had all 4 semis in Croke Park. Donít understand this at all.

82,000 stadium totally empty, echos around the place. A smaller stadium looks and sounds far better.

If you look at the map, Thurles ideal for both hurling semis. Salthill for Mayo-Tipp and Navan for Cav-Dub.

Iím not sure what the situation is with team travel, whether they use their cars or what, and use of changing rooms etc, but taking all teams to Dublin is madness.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Eire90 on November 23, 2020, 11:59:30 AM
should it be held in a neutral province so play it in Connaught mayo v tipperary can be played in donegal or cavan or armagh
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?

I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on November 23, 2020, 12:58:04 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?

I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?
It is completely idiotic but would you expect anything else?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser soze on November 23, 2020, 01:02:28 PM
Tbh the overwhelming feeling I have is of sorrow for poor Larry Reilly.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Westside on November 23, 2020, 01:09:59 PM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?

Ah jaysus, he will don't worry about that man. Its only bruising and cuts he has.

Anyone know will the game be on the BBC player, don't see it there this morning but all the other games were?

Wasn't up til Tuesday last week Itchy.

I've rewatched it on RTE Player. Will of course be rewatching it on BBC too.  :)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: seafoid on November 23, 2020, 01:25:36 PM
It wouldn't be a Cavan team without a Brady or a Reilly,
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 02:11:27 PM
Last night the GAA fixtures page had all 4 semis in Croke Park. Donít understand this at all.

82,000 stadium totally empty, echos around the place. A smaller stadium looks and sounds far better.

If you look at the map, Thurles ideal for both hurling semis. Salthill for Mayo-Tipp and Navan for Cav-Dub.

Iím not sure what the situation is with team travel, whether they use their cars or what, and use of changing rooms etc, but taking all teams to Dublin is madness.

Mayo and Dublin will definitely be pushing for Croke Park anyway. I wouldn't give Tipp much of a chance at Croke Park but I'd give them a decent outside chance in a provincial ground.

Salthill is probably not the best ground to play in at this time of year given the way it always seems to have a gale force wind blowing. Limerick or Ennis perhaps better options?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 23, 2020, 02:57:56 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?

I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?

Its totally pathetic and that "rule" came from GAA HQ, from nowhere else. To think you have the stand full of hacks and broadcasters yet you cannot have an extra 10 or 12 lads that bust their arses training all year and of course they arent for turning when the stupidity of it is put to them during the week (as it was by the Cavan chairman for one).
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:23:04 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?

I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?

Its totally pathetic and that "rule" came from GAA HQ, from nowhere else. To think you have the stand full of hacks and broadcasters yet you cannot have an extra 10 or 12 lads that bust their arses training all year and of course they arent for turning when the stupidity of it is put to them during the week (as it was by the Cavan chairman for one).

You'd really feel for lads who have given it all up, who have actually worked as hard and contributed as much as anyone else has to that success and they were not allowed be there today. There's probably some lads who took some part in that Ulster campaign for Cavan that were unable to attend yesterday. Outside of the matchday 26 the very first people that should be accommodated to attend are the additional squad members.

I noticed there seemed to be partners of some players there yesterday which is fine in a way but to have the likes of those people there ahead of actual squad members is totally disgraceful. Surely some kind of lifting of it on the final day when silverware is handed out was necessary.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 23, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
That first injury reminded me of McGinley when he broke his neck in the AIF in 03 and played on. Ended up in a neck brace for ages.

That brilliant catch in the second half...my heart was in my mouth.

That catch was INCREDIBLE ...flew into the TV screen ...at such a crucial time too. His neck, wrist and face all fcuked....what a warrior!

Red haired Corner back immense.

Barry Cassidy though...those 2 black cards were criminal. Cavan were rode. Donegal got a free on Neil magee and one McBrearty tapped over after a donegal player missed...for NOTHING!

Delighted they won. And Tipp!

Best GAA day in years.

James Smith is a baller. As is Madden.  What a team

Can't think of many better days from a neutral point of view. Certainly not in a long time. Maybe 2004 quarter finals with Fermanagh shocking Armagh and Mayo beating defending champions Tyrone. To think this season nearly didn't happen and some people arguing it wouldn't mean anything without fans. Yesterday fairly ended that idea!
As good as the scenes was the fans not there was greatly missed yesterday.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on November 23, 2020, 04:24:57 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?

I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?

Its totally pathetic and that "rule" came from GAA HQ, from nowhere else. To think you have the stand full of hacks and broadcasters yet you cannot have an extra 10 or 12 lads that bust their arses training all year and of course they arent for turning when the stupidity of it is put to them during the week (as it was by the Cavan chairman for one).

You'd really feel for lads who have given it all up, who have actually worked as hard and contributed as much as anyone else has to that success and they were not allowed be there today. There's probably some lads who took some part in that Ulster campaign for Cavan that were unable to attend yesterday. Outside of the matchday 26 the very first people that should be accommodated to attend are the additional squad members.

I noticed there seemed to be partners of some players there yesterday which is fine in a way but to have the likes of those people there ahead of actual squad members is totally disgraceful. Surely some kind of lifting of it on the final day when silverware is handed out was necessary.

It's a ridiculous rule to not allow extended panelist attend provincial finals.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Taylor on November 23, 2020, 04:46:08 PM
Dublin 1/100 for the semi final.

I dont think I have ever seen such a price at this stage of the competition - in fact in any competition or any sport at this stage
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: LaurelEye on November 23, 2020, 06:58:06 PM
Dublin 1/100 for the semi final.

I dont think I have ever seen such a price at this stage of the competition - in fact in any competition or any sport at this stage

Not even Kilmacud had those odds...
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Cranfield on November 23, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
Those odds are nuts. What price are Cavan to win?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 23, 2020, 07:19:50 PM
Those odds are nuts. What price are Cavan to win?

20/1 w/ Paddy Power

Congrats BTW to the Breffni men.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: tbrick18 on November 24, 2020, 02:15:12 PM
I never saw that result coming, I thought Donegal had a real chance at the All-Ireland this year but to be honest, absolutely delighted for Cavan.
Sheer hard work, desire to win and some extremely talented players meant Cavan totally deserved the win.
Could the fairytale continue?
I'm starting to get the feeling this year could be one of those rare occassions where the underdog triumphs. We've already seen it with Cavan and Tipp and in various club championships.
Dublin still overwhelming favourites, but write Cavan off at your peril now.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 24, 2020, 06:46:35 PM
Now available on the on the BBC iPlayer...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ptml/the-championship-2020-ulster-gaa-final



Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: BennyCake on November 26, 2020, 04:02:39 PM
Watched it again. Cavan totally shut Donegal out. Brennan, McHugh and McBrearty were hardly in the game at all. McBrearty got 2 from play during that 10 minutes first half (black card). Brennan one point early on. Barely seen them after. Murphy was nullified too.

Donegal got 3 scores second half. One from play and two very very soft frees.

Cavan had to work hard for their scores, but they look controlled in possession, and fully deserved the win.

One thing missed though. Cillian Brady could have got red, swung the elbow and caught Brennan early second half.

The 2 black cards screwed Cavan. Donegal got 7 points in 10 minutes and Gallagher had a goal chance. More than half their scores came in those 10 minutes. Thankfully it didnít prevent a Cavan victory.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Angelo on November 26, 2020, 04:08:22 PM
Watched it again. Cavan totally shut Donegal out. Brennan, McHugh and McBrearty were hardly in the game at all. McBrearty got 2 from play during that 10 minutes first half (black card). Brennan one point early on. Barely seen them after. Murphy was nullified too.

Donegal got 3 scores second half. One from play and two very very soft frees.

Cavan had to work hard for their scores, but they look controlled in possession, and fully deserved the win.

One thing missed though. Cillian Brady could have got red, swung the elbow and caught Brennan early second half.

The 2 black cards screwed Cavan. Donegal got 7 points in 10 minutes and Gallagher had a goal chance. More than half their scores came in those 10 minutes. Thankfully it didnít prevent a Cavan victory.

The Brady elbow probably balanced itself out with the McGonigle one, both could easily have been red.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2020
Post by: Itchy on November 26, 2020, 05:05:28 PM
Watched it again. Cavan totally shut Donegal out. Brennan, McHugh and McBrearty were hardly in the game at all. McBrearty got 2 from play during that 10 minutes first half (black card). Brennan one point early on. Barely seen them after. Murphy was nullified too.

Donegal got 3 scores second half. One from play and two very very soft frees.

Cavan had to work hard for their scores, but they look controlled in possession, and fully deserved the win.

One thing missed though. Cillian Brady could have got red, swung the elbow and caught Brennan early second half.

The 2 black cards screwed Cavan. Donegal got 7 points in 10 minutes and Gallagher had a goal chance. More than half their scores came in those 10 minutes. Thankfully it didnít prevent a Cavan victory.

Dont think it was an elbow, more of a push off with a closed fist. I remember thinking he was lucky Cassidy didnt see it cos the way he was riding Cavan he probably would have sent 2 players off for that.