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Title: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 10:36:07 AM
It's a simple no for me.

A vaccine is trying to be rushed through, it is not going through the proper testing and approval measures it normally would.

The virus on the other hand is being shown to have a extremely remote fatality rate, an extremely low hospitalisation rate, for people in my demograph.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rossfan on October 22, 2020, 11:16:34 AM
Any chance you'd get an injection of common sense?
Very badly required.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
Any chance you'd get an injection of common sense?
Very badly required.

You must have cracked the record for the highest number of unfunny quips made on here at this rate.

If you don't have anything worthwhile to add then piss off as we don't need to be subjected to your inane attempts at humour.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: APM on October 22, 2020, 11:26:28 AM
There is a sensible conversation to be had on the process of vaccine approval and deployment. There are definitely concerns about expediting terms of the approval process.

However, I have read your argumentative posting and trolling elsewhere on Covid issues.   I'll not be debating it with you as you are a scourge.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
There is a sensible conversation to be had on the process of vaccine approval and deployment. There are definitely concerns about expediting terms of the approval process.

However, I have read your argumentative posting and trolling elsewhere on Covid issues.   I'll not be debating it with you as you are a scourge.

You have read my arguments and trolling?

No what you have read is a load of zealots insult me, play victim bingo, misrepresent what I have said and make hysterical claims that I want people to die because I think the effects of the lockdowns will have more negative impacts that positive ones on society as whole.

Maybe you should actually read some of the responses to my posts, clown.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2020, 12:53:35 PM
But what if Nadal takes the vaccine? You'll be all over it
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 22, 2020, 12:54:32 PM
No nor will any of my family.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 22, 2020, 12:54:53 PM
Any chance you'd get an injection of common sense?
Very badly required.

 ::)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 12:57:01 PM
There is a sensible conversation to be had on the process of vaccine approval and deployment. There are definitely concerns about expediting terms of the approval process.

However, I have read your argumentative posting and trolling elsewhere on Covid issues.   I'll not be debating it with you as you are a scourge.

You have read my arguments and trolling?

No what you have read is a load of zealots insult me, play victim bingo, misrepresent what I have said and make hysterical claims that I want people to die because I think the effects of the lockdowns will have more negative impacts that positive ones on society as whole.

Maybe you should actually read some of the responses to my posts, clown.
Finally a bit of self awareness

Accepting you're trolling is the first step towards stopping
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
Any chance you'd get an injection of common sense?
Very badly required.
He refuses to get vaccinated, but is only dying to get needled
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 12:59:59 PM
But what if Nadal takes the vaccine? You'll be all over it

This is your contribution.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: J70 on October 22, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Depends on the process it has passed through.

Personally, I have relatives in the field, so I'll be relying on them for their advice and expertise.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
But what if Nadal takes the vaccine? You'll be all over it

This is your contribution.

This thread was already up ages ago, my contribution is already posted.. but sure put up another thread about something that was already done will ya!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: mouview on October 22, 2020, 01:03:20 PM
But what if Nadal takes the vaccine? You'll be all over it

But what happens if both Nadal and Messi get it? Won't there be a conflict of interest?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2020, 01:10:29 PM
But what if Nadal takes the vaccine? You'll be all over it

But what happens if both Nadal and Messi get it? Won't there be a conflict of interest?

Aw, your mixing it up here!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: JoG2 on October 22, 2020, 01:30:49 PM
Depends on the process it has passed through.

Personally, I have relatives in the field, so I'll be relying on them for their advice and expertise.

I'd agree. It seems with a fair percentage that if you're 'anti', you're anti everything. Anti lockdown, anti vax etc. You'd have to believe a vaccine will not be rolled out until it is 100% safe. So to that end, a vaccine will help eliminate lockdowns in the future.
However, the level of paranoia with some people means they are unable to think straight atm.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 01:33:38 PM
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 01:49:36 PM
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 02:00:05 PM
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Vaccines normally take 4-5 years for approval.

The problem for me is that Covid does not significantly impact people in my demograph and that's if I catch it.

What is the fatality rate for people 30-40 with no underlying health conditions? What is the rate of hospitalisation?

I'd probably rather take my chances with the possibility of me getting Covid or not than taking a vaccine that has been rushed through the normal process, has not been sufficiently tested. I'd imagine that rationale would be the same for many who have said no but I'll let them give you their reasoning.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 22, 2020, 03:28:33 PM
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

Why don't you volunteer to aid in it's testing.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 22, 2020, 03:31:57 PM
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Proper clinical trials in which long term complications can be monitored. And why - selfishly so I don't end up worse taking an untested vaccine than I would catching a virus that won't significantly affect me.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 03:36:05 PM
Simples

If Fauci says it's safe, then it's safe

It Trump says it's safe and Fauci doesn't say that, then it's not safe
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: lenny on October 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Vaccines normally take 4-5 years for approval.

The problem for me is that Covid does not significantly impact people in my demograph and that's if I catch it.

What is the fatality rate for people 30-40 with no underlying health conditions? What is the rate of hospitalisation?

I'd probably rather take my chances with the possibility of me getting Covid or not than taking a vaccine that has been rushed through the normal process, has not been sufficiently tested. I'd imagine that rationale would be the same for many who have said no but I'll let them give you their reasoning.

The reason vaccines normally take so long is due to lack of funding at each stage. Vaccines are not that attractive for pharmaceutical companies. They prefer chronic illnesses which require ongoing treatment because thatís a complete guaranteed money spinner. Vaccines are often a one off treatment which is initially lucrative but itís a one off. The difference here is that this is a worldwide illness which is so damaging to economies that there has been no issues at all getting funding. Britain has funded around 60 million doses of each of about 7 or 8 vaccines because they are hedging their bets over which gives the best outcome. Iíve heard a few scientists talking about it and they are absolutely convinced about the safety not being in any way compromised by the speed of testing. Thatís good enough for me and Iíd love to be one of the first getting a vaccine once theyíre given the all clear.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 22, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
There has never been a vaccine process that has had as much resources and money thrown at it as this. That alone was going to significantly reduce the length of time for a vaccine.
If I was making a decision on whether to take it or not I'd need to know what stages were cut out of a normal process. Just saying it's happened too quickly doesn't cut it unless there's evidence to say processes were changed to try and fast track it. And if there is, you'd have to evaluate the risk factor of those changes. Were they just fast tracked administrate stages, or was it on the testing? Just saying it's too quick isn't really enough.

That said, I'd definitely be researching it before deciding to go ahead. The problem will be the amount of disinformation that will be out there. It'll be a nightmare.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rossfan on October 22, 2020, 04:38:07 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 22, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 04:50:28 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 22, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
The reason for the shorter approval process is that anything associated with covid vaccine projects goes straight to the top of the pile, that's at the development stage, regulator review and manufacturing. The vaccine candidates are being fast tracked, not short cut.

The phase 3 trials are including 30-50k people so it's a decent sample size. However, if you give several billion people an injection of something, there will be individuals who have adverse reactions, that's just the maths of it, nů study will be large enough to mitigate that risk. Once the phase 3 trials are completed, this risk will be extremely low but not zero.

Fairly depressing that almost half of people are taking the "I'm alright Jack" approach in this survey


Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 05:39:53 PM
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Proper clinical trials in which long term complications can be monitored. And why - selfishly so I don't end up worse taking an untested vaccine than I would catching a virus that won't significantly affect me.

Long term complications are being monitored.

Its why we don't have a marketed vaccine yet.
What is it about the current trials that isnt proper?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 05:49:02 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on October 22, 2020, 05:53:56 PM
I'm going to get all 3 Covid vaccines to be sure.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 22, 2020, 06:00:45 PM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 06:01:36 PM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

Propaganda and choosing what they want to believe.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 06:33:13 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.
The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 22, 2020, 06:37:52 PM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

You use words like likely and potentially, what if the vaccine was likely, potentially very much the cause of deaths, illness or deformities in the future, are those more acceptable than whatever number of deaths from covid when you subtract the 28 day lag anomaly.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

Franko is a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there, maybe the WHO will be onto to solve this seeing as you seem to know so much about it.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: ballinaman on October 22, 2020, 07:18:07 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 22, 2020, 07:22:09 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 07:32:01 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 22, 2020, 07:37:31 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Your views sir are moronic
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 07:45:35 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Incredibly selfish attitude to take.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 07:55:11 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.
The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Gmac on October 22, 2020, 07:57:43 PM
What are the odds on having a severe reaction to a vaccine shot ?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 08:04:50 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Incredibly selfish attitude to take.

I value my own health, if that's deemed as selfish then so be it.

Look at the flu vaccine in South Korea as a recent example.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/doctors-in-south-korea-call-for-flu-vaccinations-to-be-paused-after-25-deaths
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2020, 08:09:30 PM
Here we go on the flu again!!

You love a good talk on flu
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 08:11:45 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.
The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446
You can scour the internet for individuals if you like in an effort to create a false equivalence but isolated individuals and cranks do not make a systemic problem

Science denial and fact rejection are now intrinsic parts of the international right-wing

That is very far from the case on the broad left

False equivalence is also a systemic right-wing problem
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 08:17:12 PM
Here we go on the flu again!!

You love a good talk on flu

This is a thread on vaccines, that's a post on vaccines.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 08:24:02 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Incredibly selfish attitude to take.

I value my own health, if that's deemed as selfish then so be it.

Look at the flu vaccine in South Korea as a recent example.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/doctors-in-south-korea-call-for-flu-vaccinations-to-be-paused-after-25-deaths

Did you even read that article? It disproves your point.

"Authorities say programme will continue after finding no direct links between the deaths and the vaccines"

You've just read the headline and couldn't get it posted quick enough.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 22, 2020, 08:24:08 PM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

You use words like likely and potentially, what if the vaccine was likely, potentially very much the cause of deaths, illness or deformities in the future, are those more acceptable than whatever number of deaths from covid when you subtract the 28 day lag anomaly.

I do use those words.  There's no point in using absolutisms when the reality is that we're not certain.

The "what if" game is a ridiculous one.

What if Covid was the cause of "deaths, illness or deformities in the future?"

See how easy this is?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 22, 2020, 08:27:05 PM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

Franko is a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there, maybe the WHO will be onto to solve this seeing as you seem to know so much about it.

Some substance here.

NB.
The WHO line wasn't funny the first 2 times you used it either.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 22, 2020, 08:29:55 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Incredibly selfish attitude to take.

I value my own health, if that's deemed as selfish then so be it.

Look at the flu vaccine in South Korea as a recent example.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/doctors-in-south-korea-call-for-flu-vaccinations-to-be-paused-after-25-deaths

Did you even read that article? It disproves your point.

"Authorities say programme will continue after finding no direct links between the deaths and the vaccines"

You've just read the headline and couldn't get it posted quick enough.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brilliant.

Another facepalm moment.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on October 22, 2020, 08:35:24 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Incredibly selfish attitude to take.

I value my own health, if that's deemed as selfish then so be it.

Look at the flu vaccine in South Korea as a recent example.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/doctors-in-south-korea-call-for-flu-vaccinations-to-be-paused-after-25-deaths

Perhaps you should have noted the sub-heading on that article "Authorities say programme will continue after finding no direct links between the deaths and the vaccines"
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 22, 2020, 08:55:59 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?
 
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 09:19:50 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Incredibly selfish attitude to take.

I value my own health, if that's deemed as selfish then so be it.

Look at the flu vaccine in South Korea as a recent example.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/doctors-in-south-korea-call-for-flu-vaccinations-to-be-paused-after-25-deaths

Did you even read that article? It disproves your point.

"Authorities say programme will continue after finding no direct links between the deaths and the vaccines"

You've just read the headline and couldn't get it posted quick enough.

Nope. I actually the article, did you?

25 people who got the vaccine have died.

A group of leading doctors have campaigned for the vaccines to be stopped until it can be established if the vaccine was a contributing factor.

The authorities seem unwilling to investigate this to proper effect. Do you accept everything the authorities tell you in blind faith? Or do you not think that they have a vested interest in saying the vaccine was not an issue?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2020, 09:21:40 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?

I don't have Covid and hope to keep it that way and it would be extremely remote that I would need hospital treatment if I did.

Would you refuse hospital treatment if you got an adverse reaction to the vaccine?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: trileacman on October 22, 2020, 09:29:03 PM
Whilst you would have concerns about the safety of a rushed vaccine it pales in comparison to the worry you'd have about contracting Covid.

Whilst I readily acknowledge the increased danger of rushing a vaccine through, IMO the probability that it could be dangerous is miniscule. Anyone who tries to dress it up as a major concern must be a f**king idiot. There's as much chance that your next meal will kill you as the Covid vaccine harming your health.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 22, 2020, 09:57:55 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?

I don't have Covid and hope to keep it that way and it would be extremely remote that I would need hospital treatment if I did.

Would you refuse hospital treatment if you got an adverse reaction to the vaccine?

You didnít answer the question, presumably because your answer would expose your hypocrisy.

And to cover your backside your trying to deflect attention back onto me- juvenile enough approach to a debate but that what you get from the anti vac brigade as the actual substance of their argument is pathetic.

My position is clear, I would take the vaccine and hopefully that would hopefully prevent illness. If however I still got sick for some unlikely reason, including an adverse reaction to the vaccine, and needed treatment I would of course accept hospital care.

You see unlike you antivac clowns I always listen to qualified medical experts, not quacks or yahooís that I find on the internet, or unqualified gobshites from up the road.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 10:22:29 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.
The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446
You can scour the internet for individuals if you like in an effort to create a false equivalence but isolated individuals and cranks do not make a systemic problem

Science denial and fact rejection are now intrinsic parts of the international right-wing

That is very far from the case on the broad left

False equivalence is also a systemic right-wing problem

I didnt have to scour. Hes on the ballot in Vermont in November. He's a left wing democrat. And he's not alone.

San Francisco kids are well below the required vaccinated level (95%) for herd immunity. San Fran of course. Being a city that *checks notes*  Hillary won 84.5% of the vote in 2016.

There are loons in all political walks of life.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 10:33:55 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?

If you change your mind
Be the first in line
The vaccine is free
Take a chance on me
If you need me, let me know
Gonna be around
Covid has no place to go
When I come to town

If you're all alone
Up there in Tyrone
Honey, I'll be free
Take a chance on me
Gonna do my very best
And it ain't no lie
If you put me to the test
I won't let you die
Take a chance on me
That's all I ask of you, honey
Take a chance on me
Go and get vaccined
Stop Covid nineteen
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 22, 2020, 10:35:13 PM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?

If you change your mind
Be the first in line
The vaccine is free
Take a chance on me
If you need me, let me know
Gonna be around
Covid has no place to go
When I come to town

If you're all alone
Up there in Tyrone
Honey, I'll be free
Take a chance on me
Gonna do my very best
And it ain't no lie
If you put me to the test
I won't let you die
Take a chance on me
That's all I ask of you, honey
Take a chance on me
Go and get vaccined
Stop Covid nineteen

Jesus wept...
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.
The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446
You can scour the internet for individuals if you like in an effort to create a false equivalence but isolated individuals and cranks do not make a systemic problem

Science denial and fact rejection are now intrinsic parts of the international right-wing

That is very far from the case on the broad left

False equivalence is also a systemic right-wing problem

I didnt have to scour. Hes on the ballot in Vermont in November. He's a left wing democrat. And he's not alone.

San Francisco kids are well below the required vaccinated level (95%) for herd immunity. San Fran of course. Being a city that *checks notes*  Hillary won 84.5% of the vote in 2016.

There are loons in all political walks of life.
But again, there are a hell of a lot more in right-wing politics

Science denial, fact rejection and a fantasy world of la la is the defining characteristic of right-wing politics

It's a freak show

Of course as a Trump supporter you would deny this because you are one of the people who have been brainwashed

Noam Chomsky quite rightly says the Republican party is the most dangerous organisation in the world - in human history

Even the Nazis didn't plan to incinerate the planet
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 22, 2020, 10:51:05 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.
The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446
You can scour the internet for individuals if you like in an effort to create a false equivalence but isolated individuals and cranks do not make a systemic problem

Science denial and fact rejection are now intrinsic parts of the international right-wing

That is very far from the case on the broad left

False equivalence is also a systemic right-wing problem

I didnt have to scour. Hes on the ballot in Vermont in November. He's a left wing democrat. And he's not alone.

San Francisco kids are well below the required vaccinated level (95%) for herd immunity. San Fran of course. Being a city that *checks notes*  Hillary won 84.5% of the vote in 2016.

There are loons in all political walks of life.
But again, there are a hell of a lot more in right-wing politics

Science denial, fact rejection and a fantasy world of la la is the defining characteristic of right-wing politics

It's a freak show

Of course as a Trump supporter you would deny this because you are one of the people who have been brainwashed

Noam Chomsky quite rightly says the Republican party is the most dangerous organisation in the world - in human history

Even the Nazis didn't plan to incinerate the planet

I'm not a Trump supporter. I just have my reservations with the modern Democrat party.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 22, 2020, 10:59:17 PM
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.
The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446
You can scour the internet for individuals if you like in an effort to create a false equivalence but isolated individuals and cranks do not make a systemic problem

Science denial and fact rejection are now intrinsic parts of the international right-wing

That is very far from the case on the broad left

False equivalence is also a systemic right-wing problem

I didnt have to scour. Hes on the ballot in Vermont in November. He's a left wing democrat. And he's not alone.

San Francisco kids are well below the required vaccinated level (95%) for herd immunity. San Fran of course. Being a city that *checks notes*  Hillary won 84.5% of the vote in 2016.

There are loons in all political walks of life.
But again, there are a hell of a lot more in right-wing politics

Science denial, fact rejection and a fantasy world of la la is the defining characteristic of right-wing politics

It's a freak show

Of course as a Trump supporter you would deny this because you are one of the people who have been brainwashed

Noam Chomsky quite rightly says the Republican party is the most dangerous organisation in the world - in human history

Even the Nazis didn't plan to incinerate the planet

I'm not a Trump supporter. I just have my reservations with the modern Democrat party.
A lot of people say that

We had one guy here recently who kept insisting he wasn't a Trump supporter but has now admitted to voting for them

It's why this is very far from a done deal for Biden

I don't think there's a person supporting the Democrats who doesn't have reservations about them for different reasons

That's a function of them being a broad church party, a church so broad that it is the party of basically anybody in US politics who isn't crazy
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 08:35:28 AM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

You use words like likely and potentially, what if the vaccine was likely, potentially very much the cause of deaths, illness or deformities in the future, are those more acceptable than whatever number of deaths from covid when you subtract the 28 day lag anomaly.

I do use those words.  There's no point in using absolutisms when the reality is that we're not certain.

The "what if" game is a ridiculous one.

What if Covid was the cause of "deaths, illness or deformities in the future?"

See how easy this is?

And what if it weren't and a vaccine with unknown health implications was?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 08:38:01 AM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?

Why would one, I have contributed all my life to the NHS through my taxes, why would one refuse hospital treatment, what a ridiculous statement. 
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 08:40:57 AM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

You use words like likely and potentially, what if the vaccine was likely, potentially very much the cause of deaths, illness or deformities in the future, are those more acceptable than whatever number of deaths from covid when you subtract the 28 day lag anomaly.

I do use those words.  There's no point in using absolutisms when the reality is that we're not certain.

The "what if" game is a ridiculous one.

What if Covid was the cause of "deaths, illness or deformities in the future?"

See how easy this is?

And what if it weren't and a vaccine with unknown health implications was?

Ah FFS.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 08:46:34 AM


You didnít answer the question, presumably because your answer would expose your hypocrisy.

And to cover your backside your trying to deflect attention back onto me- juvenile enough approach to a debate but that what you get from the anti vac brigade as the actual substance of their argument is pathetic.

My position is clear, I would take the vaccine and hopefully that would hopefully prevent illness. If however I still got sick for some unlikely reason, including an adverse reaction to the vaccine, and needed treatment I would of course accept hospital care.

You see unlike you antivac clowns I always listen to qualified medical experts, not quacks or yahooís that I find on the internet, or unqualified gobshites from up the road.

There is a running theme here - ask loads of questions but if someone else asks questions they are somehow being disingenuous, I have been called an angry man twice now yet the vitriol being hurled to those especially Angelo who disagreed with the narrative is unreal.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 08:47:13 AM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

You use words like likely and potentially, what if the vaccine was likely, potentially very much the cause of deaths, illness or deformities in the future, are those more acceptable than whatever number of deaths from covid when you subtract the 28 day lag anomaly.

I do use those words.  There's no point in using absolutisms when the reality is that we're not certain.

The "what if" game is a ridiculous one.

What if Covid was the cause of "deaths, illness or deformities in the future?"

See how easy this is?

And what if it weren't and a vaccine with unknown health implications was?

Ah FFS.

Ah bless does the game not work when you aren't winning!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 08:49:43 AM
The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

You use words like likely and potentially, what if the vaccine was likely, potentially very much the cause of deaths, illness or deformities in the future, are those more acceptable than whatever number of deaths from covid when you subtract the 28 day lag anomaly.

I do use those words.  There's no point in using absolutisms when the reality is that we're not certain.

The "what if" game is a ridiculous one.

What if Covid was the cause of "deaths, illness or deformities in the future?"

See how easy this is?

And what if it weren't and a vaccine with unknown health implications was?

Ah FFS.

Ah bless does the game not work when you aren't winning!

This is depressing.

And what if it weren't and a disease with unknown health implications was?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 08:53:26 AM
And therein lies the conundrum, so what totally berate folk who are trying to weigh up the options and make an informed choice with the information available, or do you just like name calling?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
And therein lies the conundrum, so what totally berate folk who are trying to weigh up the options and make an informed choice with the information available, or do you just like name calling?

If it really is a 50:50 shot, why not pick the option that has the potential to save lives, over the one which has been proven worldwide over the past 10 months to aid the spread of a disease which kills people?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 09:03:17 AM
And therein lies the conundrum, so what totally berate folk who are trying to weigh up the options and make an informed choice with the information available, or do you just like name calling?

If it really is a 50:50 shot, why not pick the option that has the potential to save lives, over the one which has been proven worldwide over the past 10 months to aid the spread of a disease which kills people?

Alternatively you could look at it as why not resist the option which may impact the health of oneself and ones family in years to come, whilst continuing to practice the fundamental rules of washing hands often and for 30 seconds, wear masks in indoor settings and practice social distancing?  From what I gather they are going to give the vaccine to the vulnerable first, so if these have current underlying health conditions or are near their end of life, if they get the vaccine and die within 28 days have they died from the vaccine?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 09:21:06 AM
And therein lies the conundrum, so what totally berate folk who are trying to weigh up the options and make an informed choice with the information available, or do you just like name calling?

If it really is a 50:50 shot, why not pick the option that has the potential to save lives, over the one which has been proven worldwide over the past 10 months to aid the spread of a disease which kills people?

Alternatively you could look at it as why not resist the option which may impact the health of oneself and ones family in years to come, whilst continuing to practice the fundamental rules of washing hands often and for 30 seconds, wear masks in indoor settings and practice social distancing?  From what I gather they are going to give the vaccine to the vulnerable first, so if these have current underlying health conditions or are near their end of life, if they get the vaccine and die within 28 days have they died from the vaccine?

You ignored the question.

The masks and social distancing is working well at the minute across the world.

They will have died from whatever it is that killed them.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
And therein lies the conundrum, so what totally berate folk who are trying to weigh up the options and make an informed choice with the information available, or do you just like name calling?

If it really is a 50:50 shot, why not pick the option that has the potential to save lives, over the one which has been proven worldwide over the past 10 months to aid the spread of a disease which kills people?

Alternatively you could look at it as why not resist the option which may impact the health of oneself and ones family in years to come, whilst continuing to practice the fundamental rules of washing hands often and for 30 seconds, wear masks in indoor settings and practice social distancing?  From what I gather they are going to give the vaccine to the vulnerable first, so if these have current underlying health conditions or are near their end of life, if they get the vaccine and die within 28 days have they died from the vaccine?

You ignored the question.

The masks and social distancing is working well at the minute across the world.

They will have died from whatever it is that killed them.

I give an alternative, if you are tested positive for covid and get hit but a bus 28 days later you are a registered covid death.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 09:39:33 AM
And therein lies the conundrum, so what totally berate folk who are trying to weigh up the options and make an informed choice with the information available, or do you just like name calling?

If it really is a 50:50 shot, why not pick the option that has the potential to save lives, over the one which has been proven worldwide over the past 10 months to aid the spread of a disease which kills people?

Alternatively you could look at it as why not resist the option which may impact the health of oneself and ones family in years to come, whilst continuing to practice the fundamental rules of washing hands often and for 30 seconds, wear masks in indoor settings and practice social distancing?  From what I gather they are going to give the vaccine to the vulnerable first, so if these have current underlying health conditions or are near their end of life, if they get the vaccine and die within 28 days have they died from the vaccine?

You ignored the question.

The masks and social distancing is working well at the minute across the world.

They will have died from whatever it is that killed them.

I give an alternative, if you are tested positive for covid and get hit but a bus 28 days later you are a registered covid death.

And if you have been tested for covid and not positive, then hit by a bus you'll be registered as being, very unlucky.

Crazy alternatives, can we have some more alternatives?  What if I had COPD and caught covid, and died, which would have killed me?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 09:43:06 AM
And therein lies the conundrum, so what totally berate folk who are trying to weigh up the options and make an informed choice with the information available, or do you just like name calling?

If it really is a 50:50 shot, why not pick the option that has the potential to save lives, over the one which has been proven worldwide over the past 10 months to aid the spread of a disease which kills people?

Alternatively you could look at it as why not resist the option which may impact the health of oneself and ones family in years to come, whilst continuing to practice the fundamental rules of washing hands often and for 30 seconds, wear masks in indoor settings and practice social distancing?  From what I gather they are going to give the vaccine to the vulnerable first, so if these have current underlying health conditions or are near their end of life, if they get the vaccine and die within 28 days have they died from the vaccine?

You ignored the question.

The masks and social distancing is working well at the minute across the world.

They will have died from whatever it is that killed them.

I give an alternative, if you are tested positive for covid and get hit but a bus 28 days later you are a registered covid death.

 ;D ;D
Who knew?  I am deeply shocked that this is what you come back with.  You were definitely playing some 4D chess when you were teeing that one up. 

28 days?  Hit by a bus?  I just never saw it coming (pardon the pun).

Anyway.  Fun over.


I don't agree at all with that policy.  I don't know why they do it (mortuary staff shortages?).

It's just one of a great many mistakes that this Gov't seem to be making on a daily basis around the handling of this disease.

So if you are looking for some sort of a defence of that, you may look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 09:43:50 AM
And therein lies the conundrum, so what totally berate folk who are trying to weigh up the options and make an informed choice with the information available, or do you just like name calling?

If it really is a 50:50 shot, why not pick the option that has the potential to save lives, over the one which has been proven worldwide over the past 10 months to aid the spread of a disease which kills people?

Alternatively you could look at it as why not resist the option which may impact the health of oneself and ones family in years to come, whilst continuing to practice the fundamental rules of washing hands often and for 30 seconds, wear masks in indoor settings and practice social distancing?  From what I gather they are going to give the vaccine to the vulnerable first, so if these have current underlying health conditions or are near their end of life, if they get the vaccine and die within 28 days have they died from the vaccine?

You ignored the question.

The masks and social distancing is working well at the minute across the world.

They will have died from whatever it is that killed them.

I give an alternative, if you are tested positive for covid and get hit but a bus 28 days later you are a registered covid death.

And if you have been tested for covid and not positive, then hit by a bus you'll be registered as being, very unlucky.

Crazy alternatives, can we have some more alternatives?  What if I had COPD and caught covid, and died, which would have killed me?

I don't register the deaths, you would to speak to someone in power, my point is the death toll from covid is completely skewed, but like others here don't you let facts get in the way of your narrative.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 09:46:09 AM

So if you are looking for some sort of a defence of that, you may look elsewhere.

I am not looking for anything, certainly not for the queue for the vaccine.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 23, 2020, 09:56:55 AM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?

Why would one, I have contributed all my life to the NHS through my taxes, why would one refuse hospital treatment, what a ridiculous statement.

Well because that position exposes an inherent hypocrisy in antivax campaigners. They know better, and actively undermine, the health experts up and until they actually get sick, at which point they slavishly throw themselves before the system they claim was spreading falsehoods to begin with, with no regards to those who listened to them up to the end and died as a result.

I donít deny that it is your right to be a hypocrite in the above manner, but get ready to have people call you out, mock you and condemn your quackery when you do.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 23, 2020, 10:01:13 AM
Tight vote here .

Personally I wont get it.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: thebigfella on October 23, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Most of the antivax brigade will be fine with homeopathic remedies
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 23, 2020, 10:12:07 AM
Most of the antivax brigade will be fine with homeopathic remedies

or just hope their immune systems can withstand the virus
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 23, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
Most of the antivax brigade will be fine with homeopathic remedies

Or mega dosing with vitamin C.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 10:13:57 AM

So if you are looking for some sort of a defence of that, you may look elsewhere.

I am not looking for anything, certainly not for the queue for the vaccine.

So it would seem.

Better to let the rest of us get it - then you can take your mask off and stop washing your hands.

Informed.  ::)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 10:15:01 AM
Most of the antivax brigade will be fine with homeopathic remedies

or just hope their immune systems can withstand the virus

And that they don't infect 10 others while waiting to find out.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 23, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
Most of the antivax brigade will be fine with homeopathic remedies

or just hope their immune systems can withstand the virus

And that they don't infect 10 others while waiting to find out.

If the Covid Vaccine uptake is high, this should not present major problems.
We don't all get the flu vaccine, we have a robust and normally widely available flu vaccine, it doesn't prevent spread but it ensures that we have a manageable problem.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 10:23:26 AM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?

Why would one, I have contributed all my life to the NHS through my taxes, why would one refuse hospital treatment, what a ridiculous statement.

Well because that position exposes an inherent hypocrisy in antivax campaigners. They know better, and actively undermine, the health experts up and until they actually get sick, at which point they slavishly throw themselves before the system they claim was spreading falsehoods to begin with, with no regards to those who listened to them up to the end and died as a result.

I donít deny that it is your right to be a hypocrite in the above manner, but get ready to have people call you out, mock you and condemn your quackery when you do.

So you don't smoke, drink, aren't overweight, exercise loads - these are all health experts tips to stay healthy, yet those who do when they become sick slavishly throw themselves before the system - what was the word - ah yeah hypocrite!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 10:24:08 AM

So if you are looking for some sort of a defence of that, you may look elsewhere.

I am not looking for anything, certainly not for the queue for the vaccine.

So it would seem.

Better to let the rest of us get it - then you can take your mask off and stop washing your hands.

Informed.  ::)

If you are happy enough to get it - you knock yourself out son.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 10:35:31 AM

So if you are looking for some sort of a defence of that, you may look elsewhere.

I am not looking for anything, certainly not for the queue for the vaccine.

So it would seem.

Better to let the rest of us get it - then you can take your mask off and stop washing your hands.

Informed.  ::)

If you are happy enough to get it - you knock yourself out son.

Yep.  Informed.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 23, 2020, 11:50:43 AM
For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , itíll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Question - if your going to ďtake your chancesĒ, will you refuse hospital treatment if things get serious?

Why would one, I have contributed all my life to the NHS through my taxes, why would one refuse hospital treatment, what a ridiculous statement.

Well because that position exposes an inherent hypocrisy in antivax campaigners. They know better, and actively undermine, the health experts up and until they actually get sick, at which point they slavishly throw themselves before the system they claim was spreading falsehoods to begin with, with no regards to those who listened to them up to the end and died as a result.

I donít deny that it is your right to be a hypocrite in the above manner, but get ready to have people call you out, mock you and condemn your quackery when you do.

So you don't smoke, drink, aren't overweight, exercise loads - these are all health experts tips to stay healthy, yet those who do when they become sick slavishly throw themselves before the system - what was the word - ah yeah hypocrite!

You make a sneaky lane shift there but your talking rubbish and trying to deflect.

Most people who smoke, drink, are overweight and/or inactive at least accept the science behind their life choices - there is a degree of hypocrisy I admit in then seeking help if you fall into this category, but that is the type of hypocrisy that is normal in humans, that we are all guilty of, and which is therefore tolerated in any compassionate society that tries help people.

You antivax clowns however fall squarely into the same reprehensible bracket as those who advocate that their is no issue from a health perspective from smoking, drinking, being overweight or inactive. Youíre peddling falsehoods as science or fact, and as such your hypocrisy is off the scale.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 12:02:47 PM

You make a sneaky lane shift there but your talking rubbish and trying to deflect.

Most people who smoke, drink, are overweight and/or inactive at least accept the science behind their life choices - there is a degree of hypocrisy I admit in then seeking help if you fall into this category, but that is the type of hypocrisy that is normal in humans, that we are all guilty of, and which is therefore tolerated in any compassionate society that tries help people.

You antivax clowns however fall squarely into the same reprehensible bracket as those who advocate that their is no issue from a health perspective from smoking, drinking, being overweight or inactive. Youíre peddling falsehoods as science or fact, and as such your hypocrisy is off the scale.

Dear God do you not read what you post, a sneaky lane shift, I am talking rubbish, you then go on to say all humans are hypocrites but this is normal, but not normal when it doesn't suit your narrative, as for the bit in bold that is just of the scale, someone who is making an informed choice is peddling falsehoods as science or fact - tell me are you currently on any medication, or maybe you can't get it because of the lockdown.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 23, 2020, 12:10:45 PM

You make a sneaky lane shift there but your talking rubbish and trying to deflect.

Most people who smoke, drink, are overweight and/or inactive at least accept the science behind their life choices - there is a degree of hypocrisy I admit in then seeking help if you fall into this category, but that is the type of hypocrisy that is normal in humans, that we are all guilty of, and which is therefore tolerated in any compassionate society that tries help people.

You antivax clowns however fall squarely into the same reprehensible bracket as those who advocate that their is no issue from a health perspective from smoking, drinking, being overweight or inactive. Youíre peddling falsehoods as science or fact, and as such your hypocrisy is off the scale.

Dear God do you not read what you post, a sneaky lane shift, I am talking rubbish, you then go on to say all humans are hypocrites but this is normal, but not normal when it doesn't suit your narrative, as for the bit in bold that is just of the scale, someone who is making an informed choice is peddling falsehoods as science or fact - tell me are you currently on any medication, or maybe you can't get it because of the lockdown.

Itís not normal level of human operation when your advertised choice goes against the vast majority of scientific opinion and has the potential to harm the health of wider society via your influence on others.

By the way your anti vac opinions arenít informed - they are  blindingly stupid. They stand in opposition to hundreds of years of scientific work.

They are idiotic opinions, misinformed if I choose to operate at the very kindest end of the spectrum, but certainly not Ďinformedí in any credible sense of the word. 

The fact you decided to suggest/imply mental health issues in a mocking tone, via your sentence at the end of the last post,  reveals all that needs to be said about you really.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rossfan on October 23, 2020, 12:23:53 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 23, 2020, 12:35:46 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.

If anybody has an Ďinformedí opinion on how smallpox was eradicated that would be great as well...
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 23, 2020, 01:00:57 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.

If anybody has an Ďinformedí opinion on how smallpox was eradicated that would be great as well...

Or Tetanus, Measles, Rubella, Pneumococcal, Pertussis,  Diphtheria... The list goes on.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: thebigfella on October 23, 2020, 01:12:43 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.

If anybody has an Ďinformedí opinion on how smallpox was eradicated that would be great as well...

Or Tetanus, Measles, Rubella, Pneumococcal, Pertussis,  Diphtheria... The list goes on.

Ah here, stop it with this madness
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 01:17:33 PM

Itís not normal level of human operation when your advertised choice goes against the vast majority of scientific opinion and has the potential to harm the health of wider society via your influence on others.


So you want a new vaccine mandatory and if there are side effects, consequences down the line that is ok, be that in the vulnerable who are the first guinea pig, the young, the unborn, new borns, you believe that the potential harm by not getting it trumps the potential harm of getting it?



By the way your anti vac opinions arenít informed - they are  blindingly stupid. They stand in opposition to hundreds of years of scientific work.


Covid has been around less than a year.



They are idiotic opinions, misinformed if I choose to operate at the very kindest end of the spectrum, but certainly not Ďinformedí in any credible sense of the word. 


That is your perception.


The fact you decided to suggest/imply mental health issues in a mocking tone, via your sentence at the end of the last post,  reveals all that needs to be said about you really.

As opposed to calling folk who differ from your narrative, clowns, gobshites, hypocrites, you couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.

And was that developed and test in a matter of months?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 23, 2020, 01:20:51 PM
Most of the antivax brigade will be fine with homeopathic remedies
Or an untested Russian vaccine
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 01:22:13 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.

If anybody has an Ďinformedí opinion on how smallpox was eradicated that would be great as well...

Did that one take 6 months to develop?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.

If anybody has an Ďinformedí opinion on how smallpox was eradicated that would be great as well...

Or Tetanus, Measles, Rubella, Pneumococcal, Pertussis,  Diphtheria... The list goes on.

As did the clinical trails before being rolled out!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: grounded on October 23, 2020, 01:23:52 PM
Pretty decent article here in the Lancet re: first generation covid 19 vaccines.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31976-0/fulltext

I think the crux of the article is that the role of a vaccine (certainly first generation) vaccines is being well overplayed. They may have a small part to play in the overall programme of disease control. Its sobering reading.

As to the question;  yes of course I and most  people would take the vaccine given that it was suitably approved by the relevant governements and health authorities. 

Coincidentally it was the Lancet who published the now descredited article by Andre Wakefield linking autism to the mmr vaccine. He was a right tool.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.

Is that a standard reply - so if you were in a pub and someone said they would be unwilling to get the vaccine due to some concerns, would you openly call them a clown or are you nice and safe there behind your keyboard.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
Most of the antivax brigade will be fine with homeopathic remedies

or just hope their immune systems can withstand the virus

And that they don't infect 10 others while waiting to find out.

If the Covid Vaccine uptake is high, this should not present major problems.
We don't all get the flu vaccine, we have a robust and normally widely available flu vaccine, it doesn't prevent spread but it ensures that we have a manageable problem.

Judging by the poll conducted here that's a big if.

And please stop with the flu comparisons.  Even those trying to prove that it's the same as Covid have ended up giving us proof that it isn't.

I'm not necessarily putting you (or anyone else on here - before this descend into anarchy again) in this bracket but there is a weird correlation between those who shout loudest about "living with the disease" and those who oppose any of the measures necessary for us to do so (without killing people).
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
Would Seaney take the vaccine if it was safe and was given the go ahead by the medical experts that approve these vaccines?

Or just not take it at all? And I don't think its mandatory if it comes about
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 01:57:31 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.



If anybody has an Ďinformedí opinion on how smallpox was eradicated that would be great as well...

Or Tetanus, Measles, Rubella, Pneumococcal, Pertussis,  Diphtheria... The list goes on.

How many people get flu?

Which is Covid more similar to? Flu or those listed above?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 01:58:24 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 02:02:48 PM
Just wondering how many people get polio nowadays?
And wondering how many got before vaccinations started (c1960?).
The 1956 All Irelands were delayed because of a polio outbreak in Cork City that year.

PS God be with the days when we thought Syferus was the worst clown ever on GAAboard.
He was only a novice compared to the 2 we have now.



If anybody has an Ďinformedí opinion on how smallpox was eradicated that would be great as well...

Or Tetanus, Measles, Rubella, Pneumococcal, Pertussis,  Diphtheria... The list goes on.

How many people get flu?

Which is Covid more similar to? Flu or those listed above?

Is the thread about taking a vaccine for covid or is flu like covid?

Start another thread on the differences (if any) between the seasonal flu and all year round covid
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 23, 2020, 02:03:07 PM
Most of the antivax brigade will be fine with homeopathic remedies

or just hope their immune systems can withstand the virus

And that they don't infect 10 others while waiting to find out.

If the Covid Vaccine uptake is high, this should not present major problems.
We don't all get the flu vaccine, we have a robust and normally widely available flu vaccine, it doesn't prevent spread but it ensures that we have a manageable problem.

Judging by the poll conducted here that's a big if.

And please stop with the flu comparisons.  Even those trying to prove that it's the same as Covid have ended up giving us proof that it isn't.

I'm not necessarily putting you (or anyone else on here - before this descend into anarchy again) in this bracket but there is a weird correlation between those who shout loudest about "living with the disease" and those who oppose any of the measures necessary for us to do so (without killing people).

I do appreciate that it is not flu, I have had it and thankfully at the minute I have recovered but there is growing evidence that you can get it twice. I will still choose not to get the vaccine, I do not fully trust it but I am not prepared to dictate to anyone who chooses to have it or not have it
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 02:03:44 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

The vulnerable? The flu kills yet how many don't protect the vulnerable by not getting it, not isolating when they have it for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 02:03:49 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 02:05:34 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 23, 2020, 02:16:41 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

I've asthma, I get the flu jab every year. 
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 02:19:40 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Pay for it? strange. At the moment, the free NHS flu programme is for people aged 65 and over, pregnant women, people with certain conditions such as kidney disease, asthma or heart disease and carers or those in care homes. Frontline health and social care workers are also eligible to receive the vaccine

Maybe its changed. But if it hasn't then these are the only ones that will get the jab, if they want it of course
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 02:21:34 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

I've asthma, I get the flu jab every year.

Same
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 02:22:44 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Pay for it? strange. At the moment, the free NHS flu programme is for people aged 65 and over, pregnant women, people with certain conditions such as kidney disease, asthma or heart disease and carers or those in care homes. Frontline health and social care workers are also eligible to receive the vaccine

Maybe its changed. But if it hasn't then these are the only ones that will get the jab, if they want it of course

You can pay to get the flu jab if you do not avail a free one.

Do you get the flu jab or not?

Simple question.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 02:24:21 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Pay for it? strange. At the moment, the free NHS flu programme is for people aged 65 and over, pregnant women, people with certain conditions such as kidney disease, asthma or heart disease and carers or those in care homes. Frontline health and social care workers are also eligible to receive the vaccine

Maybe its changed. But if it hasn't then these are the only ones that will get the jab, if they want it of course

It can kill, if they don't take it are they to be taken to task.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: hardstation on October 23, 2020, 02:25:01 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?
I canít speak for all the people who voted yes, but I voted yes and I get the flu jab.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 02:25:09 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Pay for it? strange. At the moment, the free NHS flu programme is for people aged 65 and over, pregnant women, people with certain conditions such as kidney disease, asthma or heart disease and carers or those in care homes. Frontline health and social care workers are also eligible to receive the vaccine

Maybe its changed. But if it hasn't then these are the only ones that will get the jab, if they want it of course

It can kill, if they don't take it are they to be taken to task.

Indeed.  ::)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

I see the cowards still haven't got the balls to answer this one?

Why do they mouth off and run from a fairly basic question like that? Why do your contradictions frighten you?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 23, 2020, 02:27:58 PM
Maybe they have all got nose bleeds they are so high up on their moral high horse.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 02:28:47 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

I see the cowards still haven't got the balls to answer this one?

Why do they mouth off and run from a fairly basic question like that? Why do your contradictions frighten you?

When you stop talking and linking Covid to flu..
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 02:31:34 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

I see the cowards still haven't got the balls to answer this one?

Why do they mouth off and run from a fairly basic question like that? Why do your contradictions frighten you?

When you stop talking and linking Covid to flu..

You didn't answer the question.

We accept viruses in our society that kill, leave long lasting heath problems and overwhelm the health service, at what point those Covid become as acceptable a risk as those we do very little to counter?

At what point? Or are you too coward to admit to everyone that you couldn't give a toss about those who die from flu?

Do you get the flu vaccine? Yes or no.

A lot of uncomfortable truths here for a guy who is attempting to pontificate to others.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 23, 2020, 02:32:26 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Yes. I got it few weeks ago. I got the quadrivalent version because I'm under 65. I encourage everyone who's eligible to do the same.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 02:35:34 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Yes. I got it few weeks ago. I got the quadrivalent version because I'm under 65. I encourage everyone who's eligible to do the same.

That's fair enough. You are consistent in your position.

But are others?

Milltown is being extremely evasive here. I wonder why that is? He wants to lecture to others about getting a Covid vaccine but doesn't see it as worthwhile doing his bit to stop spreading the flu.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 23, 2020, 02:52:17 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Yes. I got it few weeks ago. I got the quadrivalent version because I'm under 65. I encourage everyone who's eligible to do the same.

That's fair enough. You are consistent in your position.

But are others?

Milltown is being extremely evasive here. I wonder why that is? He wants to lecture to others about getting a Covid vaccine but doesn't see it as worthwhile doing his bit to stop spreading the flu.

Got the flu vaccine yeah. Get it every year even though Iím not in a vulnerable category.

I got it even though itís significantly less contagious than Covid, and is much less likely to overrun the health system than Covid.

All of which makes the argument for getting a Covid vaccine all the stronger
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 02:56:25 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

I see the cowards still haven't got the balls to answer this one?

Why do they mouth off and run from a fairly basic question like that? Why do your contradictions frighten you?

When you stop talking and linking Covid to flu..

You didn't answer the question.

We accept viruses in our society that kill, leave long lasting heath problems and overwhelm the health service, at what point those Covid become as acceptable a risk as those we do very little to counter?

At what point? Or are you too coward to admit to everyone that you couldn't give a toss about those who die from flu?

Do you get the flu vaccine? Yes or no.

A lot of uncomfortable truths here for a guy who is attempting to pontificate to others.

I don't fall into the category of the list I put up so there are more important people requiring it than me

I give a toss about everyone's life..

Having vaccinations have saved more lives so its important that a safe vaccine that's approved will be available for all virus's and people at risk

Any other uncomfortable questions on Covid?  as thats the flu covered

Sorry, for not getting back sooner, work and all that  ;D

as for answering about the vaccine and taking it.. Like I said already, on the original vaccine thread I answered that, first page I think
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: lenny on October 23, 2020, 02:57:37 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Yes. I got it few weeks ago. I got the quadrivalent version because I'm under 65. I encourage everyone who's eligible to do the same.

I got it also. Some people get an immune response which can take a day or 2 to get over. I had that the first year I got it but the last 3 or 4 years Iíve had no reaction at all and thankfully also Iíve avoided the flu. The flu vaccine is only about 50-60% effective but thatís enough to ensure the NHS isnít overwhelmed in a normal year. The Covid vaccine is unlikely to be 100% effective but it should mean if you do get Covid youíll get a much milder dose.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 23, 2020, 02:57:41 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Yes. I got it few weeks ago. I got the quadrivalent version because I'm under 65. I encourage everyone who's eligible to do the same.

That's fair enough. You are consistent in your position.

But are others?

Milltown is being extremely evasive here. I wonder why that is? He wants to lecture to others about getting a Covid vaccine but doesn't see it as worthwhile doing his bit to stop spreading the flu.

Got the flu vaccine yeah. Get it every year even though Iím not in a vulnerable category.

I got it even though itís significantly less contagious than Covid, and is much less likely to overrun the health system than Covid.

All of which makes the argument for getting a Covid vaccine all the stronger

Fair enough, you are consistent.

But all talk that Covid is worse than flu is speculative.

We don't test for flu. Covid is a novel virus.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 03:04:43 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

I see the cowards still haven't got the balls to answer this one?

Why do they mouth off and run from a fairly basic question like that? Why do your contradictions frighten you?

When you stop talking and linking Covid to flu..

You didn't answer the question.

We accept viruses in our society that kill, leave long lasting heath problems and overwhelm the health service, at what point those Covid become as acceptable a risk as those we do very little to counter?

At what point? Or are you too coward to admit to everyone that you couldn't give a toss about those who die from flu?

Do you get the flu vaccine? Yes or no.

A lot of uncomfortable truths here for a guy who is attempting to pontificate to others.

I don't fall into the category of the list I put up so there are more important people requiring it than me

I give a toss about everyone's life..

Having vaccinations have saved more lives so its important that a safe vaccine that's approved will be available for all virus's and people at risk

Any other uncomfortable questions on Covid?  as thats the flu covered

Sorry, for not getting back sooner, work and all that  ;D

as for answering about the vaccine and taking it.. Like I said already, on the original vaccine thread I answered that, first page I think

Not sure if that's a yes or no?

You don't get the flu vaccine? Am I correct in saying that?

Maybe you should if you feel so strongly about protecting vulnerable people and saving lives rather than paying lip service to it?

The flu also kills, the flu also overwhelms the health service, the flu also causes long lasting health problems. Surely that matters something?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 03:10:49 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?

Very vague and subjective there

We don't test for flu.

Can you quantify the death rates and hospitalisation rates?

We also know that covid related deaths are overstated, that Covid is classified as the cause of death when nothing suggests it was, there have been a number of examples of this and this has been acknowledged by health authorities and governments.

If we had 400 flu deaths a year, does that mean 400 annual Covid deaths is then deemed acceptable?

We have ramifications of lockdowns, are all these ramifications of lockdowns and the consequences self[-defeating if the damage done is far worse than saving 150 lives from Covid?

These are the questions and discussions we should be having free from hysterics and misrepresentations.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 23, 2020, 03:23:56 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?

Very vague and subjective there

We don't test for flu.

Can you quantify the death rates and hospitalisation rates?

We also know that covid related deaths are overstated, that Covid is classified as the cause of death when nothing suggests it was, there have been a number of examples of this and this has been acknowledged by health authorities and governments.

If we had 400 flu deaths a year, does that mean 400 annual Covid deaths is then deemed acceptable?

We have ramifications of lockdowns, are all these ramifications of lockdowns and the consequences self[-defeating if the damage done is far worse than saving 150 lives from Covid?

These are the questions and discussions we should be having free from hysterics and misrepresentations.

A vaccine would reduce the need for lockdowns and all the collateral damage cause - a great reason to take a vaccine
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 03:24:33 PM
Do all the people here who voted yes get their annual flu jab?

You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

Anyone can get it but they some might get it for free whereas others pay. I'm open to correction on this.

Now, back to the questions. Those who voted yes and who seem to pushing their views that others should be getting a Covid vaccine when (more likely if) it comes on stream, do you get your annual flu jab?

Yes or no.

Yes. I got it few weeks ago. I got the quadrivalent version because I'm under 65. I encourage everyone who's eligible to do the same.

That's fair enough. You are consistent in your position.

But are others?

Milltown is being extremely evasive here. I wonder why that is? He wants to lecture to others about getting a Covid vaccine but doesn't see it as worthwhile doing his bit to stop spreading the flu.

Got the flu vaccine yeah. Get it every year even though Iím not in a vulnerable category.

I got it even though itís significantly less contagious than Covid, and is much less likely to overrun the health system than Covid.

All of which makes the argument for getting a Covid vaccine all the stronger

Fair enough, you are consistent.

But all talk that Covid is worse than flu is speculative.

We don't test for flu. Covid is a novel virus.

See this is where you prove that debate is not what you are looking for.  You just enjoy the process of arguing.

You posted data yourself which proved that covid had killed twice as many people in 10 months (while severe restrictions were in place) as the flu did in a year.

Yet a couple of days later you say the above.

There's no point in debating or reasoning in a genuine way with someone who behaves like this.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?

Very vague and subjective there

We don't test for flu.

Can you quantify the death rates and hospitalisation rates?

We also know that covid related deaths are overstated, that Covid is classified as the cause of death when nothing suggests it was, there have been a number of examples of this and this has been acknowledged by health authorities and governments.

If we had 400 flu deaths a year, does that mean 400 annual Covid deaths is then deemed acceptable?

We have ramifications of lockdowns, are all these ramifications of lockdowns and the consequences self[-defeating if the damage done is far worse than saving 150 lives from Covid?

These are the questions and discussions we should be having free from hysterics and misrepresentations.

A vaccine would reduce the need for lockdowns and all the collateral damage cause - a great reason to take a vaccine

Flu vaccines aren't mandatory, the uptake of them is limited, think it might be under 20% of the population.

There is no data that disproves or proves Covid is worse than flu, as much as some would like to mislead.



Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 03:33:04 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

I see the cowards still haven't got the balls to answer this one?

Why do they mouth off and run from a fairly basic question like that? Why do your contradictions frighten you?

When you stop talking and linking Covid to flu..

You didn't answer the question.

We accept viruses in our society that kill, leave long lasting heath problems and overwhelm the health service, at what point those Covid become as acceptable a risk as those we do very little to counter?

At what point? Or are you too coward to admit to everyone that you couldn't give a toss about those who die from flu?

Do you get the flu vaccine? Yes or no.

A lot of uncomfortable truths here for a guy who is attempting to pontificate to others.

I don't fall into the category of the list I put up so there are more important people requiring it than me

I give a toss about everyone's life..

Having vaccinations have saved more lives so its important that a safe vaccine that's approved will be available for all virus's and people at risk

Any other uncomfortable questions on Covid?  as thats the flu covered

Sorry, for not getting back sooner, work and all that  ;D

as for answering about the vaccine and taking it.. Like I said already, on the original vaccine thread I answered that, first page I think

Not sure if that's a yes or no?

You don't get the flu vaccine? Am I correct in saying that?

Maybe you should if you feel so strongly about protecting vulnerable people and saving lives rather than paying lip service to it?

The flu also kills, the flu also overwhelms the health service, the flu also causes long lasting health problems. Surely that matters something?

Why should I get it if I don't fall into those areas I've explained? I've had the flu once, no lasting health problems since it..
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 03:35:45 PM


See this is where you prove that debate is not what you are looking for.  You just enjoy the process of arguing.

You posted data yourself which proved that covid had killed twice as many people in 10 months (while severe restrictions were in place) as the flu did in a year.

Yet a couple of days later you say the above.

There's no point in debating or reasoning in a genuine way with someone who behaves like this.

I have not.

I corrected you when you were assertively making claims that simply cannot be verified.

We simply do not know if Covid is worse than flu. It is impossible to say but it has not stopped a blowhard like you assertively saying otherwise.

We do not test for flu, we have countless examples of Covid deaths being overstated.

We had the WHO come out last month estimating 10% of the world has contracted Covid which would at that point have given us a fatality rate of  0.13% - possibly less due to the no of Covid deaths we overstate.

The WHO speculates that flu causes 250,000 - 500,000 deaths every year, that flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%.

Flu is seasonal, the first wave of Covid deaths seem to have been outliers with health services caught on the top and another number of mitigating reasons, since then we can see that death rates have fallen in double digit multiples.

These are important things we should discuss objectively without certain people like yourself, making completely unverified claims that cannot be known and attempting to bully, ridicule and insult those who have a differing viewpoint.

You can be mature about this or you can continue to act like a child when you don't like a grounded debate that pokes holes in some of your blinkered thinking.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 03:37:26 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

I see the cowards still haven't got the balls to answer this one?

Why do they mouth off and run from a fairly basic question like that? Why do your contradictions frighten you?

When you stop talking and linking Covid to flu..

You didn't answer the question.

We accept viruses in our society that kill, leave long lasting heath problems and overwhelm the health service, at what point those Covid become as acceptable a risk as those we do very little to counter?

At what point? Or are you too coward to admit to everyone that you couldn't give a toss about those who die from flu?

Do you get the flu vaccine? Yes or no.

A lot of uncomfortable truths here for a guy who is attempting to pontificate to others.

I don't fall into the category of the list I put up so there are more important people requiring it than me

I give a toss about everyone's life..

Having vaccinations have saved more lives so its important that a safe vaccine that's approved will be available for all virus's and people at risk

Any other uncomfortable questions on Covid?  as thats the flu covered

Sorry, for not getting back sooner, work and all that  ;D

as for answering about the vaccine and taking it.. Like I said already, on the original vaccine thread I answered that, first page I think

Not sure if that's a yes or no?

You don't get the flu vaccine? Am I correct in saying that?

Maybe you should if you feel so strongly about protecting vulnerable people and saving lives rather than paying lip service to it?

The flu also kills, the flu also overwhelms the health service, the flu also causes long lasting health problems. Surely that matters something?

Why should I get it if I don't fall into those areas I've explained? I've had the flu once, no lasting health problems since it..

So presumably you would have no issue with anyone opting against getting a Covid vaccine?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 03:43:06 PM


See this is where you prove that debate is not what you are looking for.  You just enjoy the process of arguing.

You posted data yourself which proved that covid had killed twice as many people in 10 months (while severe restrictions were in place) as the flu did in a year.

Yet a couple of days later you say the above.

There's no point in debating or reasoning in a genuine way with someone who behaves like this.

I have not.

I corrected you when you were assertively making claims that simply cannot be verified.

We simply do not know if Covid is worse than flu. It is impossible to say but it has not stopped a blowhard like you assertively saying otherwise.

We do not test for flu, we have countless examples of Covid deaths being overstated.

We had the WHO come out last month estimating 10% of the world has contracted Covid which would at that point have given us a fatality rate of  0.13% - possibly less due to the no of Covid deaths we overstate.

The WHO speculates that flu causes 250,000 - 500,000 deaths every year, that flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%.

Flu is seasonal, the first wave of Covid deaths seem to have been outliers with health services caught on the top and another number of mitigating reasons, since then we can see that death rates have fallen in double digit multiples.

These are important things we should discuss objectively without certain people like yourself, making completely unverified claims that cannot be known and attempting to bully, ridicule and insult those who have a differing viewpoint.

You can be mature about this or you can continue to act like a child when you don't like a grounded debate that pokes holes in some of your blinkered thinking.

And, like clockwork, you go and prove me right.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 03:46:56 PM


See this is where you prove that debate is not what you are looking for.  You just enjoy the process of arguing.

You posted data yourself which proved that covid had killed twice as many people in 10 months (while severe restrictions were in place) as the flu did in a year.

Yet a couple of days later you say the above.

There's no point in debating or reasoning in a genuine way with someone who behaves like this.

I have not.

I corrected you when you were assertively making claims that simply cannot be verified.

We simply do not know if Covid is worse than flu. It is impossible to say but it has not stopped a blowhard like you assertively saying otherwise.

We do not test for flu, we have countless examples of Covid deaths being overstated.

We had the WHO come out last month estimating 10% of the world has contracted Covid which would at that point have given us a fatality rate of  0.13% - possibly less due to the no of Covid deaths we overstate.

The WHO speculates that flu causes 250,000 - 500,000 deaths every year, that flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%.

Flu is seasonal, the first wave of Covid deaths seem to have been outliers with health services caught on the top and another number of mitigating reasons, since then we can see that death rates have fallen in double digit multiples.

These are important things we should discuss objectively without certain people like yourself, making completely unverified claims that cannot be known and attempting to bully, ridicule and insult those who have a differing viewpoint.

You can be mature about this or you can continue to act like a child when you don't like a grounded debate that pokes holes in some of your blinkered thinking.

And, like clockwork, you go and prove me right.

The opportunity was there and my words have been proven prophetic.

There was plenty there you could have tried to discuss like an adult but that sort of maturity is above you.

Your main contributions are to assertively claim something that is impossible to conclude and when challenged on that you behave like a child.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on October 23, 2020, 03:49:35 PM


See this is where you prove that debate is not what you are looking for.  You just enjoy the process of arguing.

You posted data yourself which proved that covid had killed twice as many people in 10 months (while severe restrictions were in place) as the flu did in a year.

Yet a couple of days later you say the above.

There's no point in debating or reasoning in a genuine way with someone who behaves like this.

I have not.

I corrected you when you were assertively making claims that simply cannot be verified.

We simply do not know if Covid is worse than flu. It is impossible to say but it has not stopped a blowhard like you assertively saying otherwise.

We do not test for flu, we have countless examples of Covid deaths being overstated.

We had the WHO come out last month estimating 10% of the world has contracted Covid which would at that point have given us a fatality rate of  0.13% - possibly less due to the no of Covid deaths we overstate.

The WHO speculates that flu causes 250,000 - 500,000 deaths every year, that flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%.

Flu is seasonal, the first wave of Covid deaths seem to have been outliers with health services caught on the top and another number of mitigating reasons, since then we can see that death rates have fallen in double digit multiples.

These are important things we should discuss objectively without certain people like yourself, making completely unverified claims that cannot be known and attempting to bully, ridicule and insult those who have a differing viewpoint.

You can be mature about this or you can continue to act like a child when you don't like a grounded debate that pokes holes in some of your blinkered thinking.

And, like clockwork, you go and prove me right.

The opportunity was there and my words have been proven prophetic.

There was plenty there you could have tried to discuss like an adult but that sort of maturity is above you.

Your main contributions are to assertively claim something that is impossible to conclude and when challenged on that you behave like a child.

And again.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 23, 2020, 03:56:29 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: lenny on October 23, 2020, 03:57:20 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?

Very vague and subjective there

We don't test for flu.

Can you quantify the death rates and hospitalisation rates?

We also know that covid related deaths are overstated, that Covid is classified as the cause of death when nothing suggests it was, there have been a number of examples of this and this has been acknowledged by health authorities and governments.

If we had 400 flu deaths a year, does that mean 400 annual Covid deaths is then deemed acceptable?

We have ramifications of lockdowns, are all these ramifications of lockdowns and the consequences self[-defeating if the damage done is far worse than saving 150 lives from Covid?

These are the questions and discussions we should be having free from hysterics and misrepresentations.

A vaccine would reduce the need for lockdowns and all the collateral damage cause - a great reason to take a vaccine

Flu vaccines aren't mandatory, the uptake of them is limited, think it might be under 20% of the population.

There is no data that disproves or proves Covid is worse than flu, as much as some would like to mislead.

No data apart from the data that shows that Covid is about 5 times more lethal than flu.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vs-flu-deaths-hospitalized-patients.html
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on October 23, 2020, 04:24:31 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?

Very vague and subjective there

We don't test for flu.

Can you quantify the death rates and hospitalisation rates?

We also know that covid related deaths are overstated, that Covid is classified as the cause of death when nothing suggests it was, there have been a number of examples of this and this has been acknowledged by health authorities and governments.

If we had 400 flu deaths a year, does that mean 400 annual Covid deaths is then deemed acceptable?

We have ramifications of lockdowns, are all these ramifications of lockdowns and the consequences self[-defeating if the damage done is far worse than saving 150 lives from Covid?

These are the questions and discussions we should be having free from hysterics and misrepresentations.

A vaccine would reduce the need for lockdowns and all the collateral damage cause - a great reason to take a vaccine

Flu vaccines aren't mandatory, the uptake of them is limited, think it might be under 20% of the population.

There is no data that disproves or proves Covid is worse than flu, as much as some would like to mislead.

No data apart from the data that shows that Covid is about 5 times more lethal than flu.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vs-flu-deaths-hospitalized-patients.html

So to close the circle here Angelo, and to answer your question (again) when Covid is about 5 times less deadly we can treat it as an ďacceptableĒ risk to society.

In the interim we should get vaccines when they are ready so we can avoid the virus, and/or lockdowns and all the collateral damage that goes with them.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 23, 2020, 04:30:56 PM
You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

I get it every year, I don't have asthma or any underlying conditions.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 06:53:37 PM
You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

I get it every year, I don't have asthma or any underlying conditions.

Why?
 And Iím not saying itís a bad thing or wrong, the text I put up came  from the NHS website.

mate of mine got it last week and I asked her why and she said I dunno was offered it at work.  She  works in hospital.

Iíd a patient in the other day, aged  78, underlying conditions and has been waiting on getting the jab 4 weeks they told him thereís a shortage
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 07:39:55 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course

You have a mental illness where you have to bring everything back to American politics and left wing/right wing nonsense nobody cares about.

Yawn.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 07:46:45 PM
As long as we donít bring it back to flu  ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?

Very vague and subjective there

We don't test for flu.

Can you quantify the death rates and hospitalisation rates?

We also know that covid related deaths are overstated, that Covid is classified as the cause of death when nothing suggests it was, there have been a number of examples of this and this has been acknowledged by health authorities and governments.

If we had 400 flu deaths a year, does that mean 400 annual Covid deaths is then deemed acceptable?

We have ramifications of lockdowns, are all these ramifications of lockdowns and the consequences self[-defeating if the damage done is far worse than saving 150 lives from Covid?

These are the questions and discussions we should be having free from hysterics and misrepresentations.

A vaccine would reduce the need for lockdowns and all the collateral damage cause - a great reason to take a vaccine

Flu vaccines aren't mandatory, the uptake of them is limited, think it might be under 20% of the population.

There is no data that disproves or proves Covid is worse than flu, as much as some would like to mislead.

No data apart from the data that shows that Covid is about 5 times more lethal than flu.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vs-flu-deaths-hospitalized-patients.html

Any data that makes claims like that is completely misleading.

We have no way of telling whether Covid is worse than flu or not so anyone stating other is not being truthful.


To conclude that Covid is worse than flu or isn't is not possible yet so we should be mindful of stating this assertively.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 07:52:29 PM
Is it worse than malaria?

Iím bored of the flu
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 23, 2020, 08:20:00 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course

You have a mental illness where you have to bring everything back to American politics and left wing/right wing nonsense nobody cares about.

Yawn.
Lolz

Accusing me of having a mental illness now

You've really revealed what sort of a person you are here, haven't you

Your last couple of of days on the forum has been nothing but a tirade of unprompted personal abuse against others

You know you have somebody's number big time when they're reduced to that
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 23, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

I get it every year, I don't have asthma or any underlying conditions.

Why?
 And Iím not saying itís a bad thing or wrong, the text I put up came  from the NHS website.

mate of mine got it last week and I asked her why and she said I dunno was offered it at work.  She  works in hospital.

Iíd a patient in the other day, aged  78, underlying conditions and has been waiting on getting the jab 4 weeks they told him thereís a shortage

Get it through work. The reason I get the vaccine is so I won't get the flu. If more people got the vaccine, less people would get the flu

Haven't got it yet this year but booked into the GP for mid Nov
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 08:35:26 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course

You have a mental illness where you have to bring everything back to American politics and left wing/right wing nonsense nobody cares about.

Yawn.
Lolz

Accusing me of having a mental illness now

You've really revealed what sort of a person you are here, haven't you

Your last couple of of days on the forum has been nothing but a tirade of unprompted personal abuse against others

You know you have somebody's number big time when they're reduced to that

Accusation? More like an observation. Your obsession with turning every single conversation into American politics and left wing/right wing is a clear sign of an unhinged headbanger. Couldn't give a toss about American politics but I find it bizarre how a political figure across the Atlantic lives rent free in your head when he should have no daily impact on your life. It's just plain weird.

I'll respond fire with fire, you have made plenty of below the belt remarks on here so if you can't handle it then don't dish it out.. All you have done in this thread is try and twist people's words, time and time again you have tried to put words in people's mouths, to misrepresent their views and when you've been called to task on that you've acted like a shitbag. When you have to resort to misrepresenting views, then we know you don't have much confidence in your argument.



Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 08:38:35 PM
You only get the flu jab if you fall into a certain category I think

I get it every year, I don't have asthma or any underlying conditions.

Why?
 And Iím not saying itís a bad thing or wrong, the text I put up came  from the NHS website.

mate of mine got it last week and I asked her why and she said I dunno was offered it at work.  She  works in hospital.

Iíd a patient in the other day, aged  78, underlying conditions and has been waiting on getting the jab 4 weeks they told him thereís a shortage

Get it through work. The reason I get the vaccine is so I won't get the flu. If more people got the vaccine, less people would get the flu

Haven't got it yet this year but booked into the GP for mid Nov

Dead on, Iíd need to be registered with a gp then, havenít been at one since my late teens!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 23, 2020, 08:38:47 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course

You have a mental illness where you have to bring everything back to American politics and left wing/right wing nonsense nobody cares about.

Yawn.
Lolz

Accusing me of having a mental illness now

You've really revealed what sort of a person you are here, haven't you

Your last couple of of days on the forum has been nothing but a tirade of unprompted personal abuse against others

You know you have somebody's number big time when they're reduced to that

Accusation? More like an observation. Your obsession with turning every single conversation into American politics and left wing/right wing is a clear sign of an unhinged headbanger. Couldn't give a toss about American politics but I find it bizarre how a political figure across the Atlantic lives rent free in your head when he should have no daily impact on your life. It's just plain weird.

I'll respond fire with fire, you have made plenty of below the belt remarks on here so if you can't handle it then don't dish it out.. All you have done in this thread is try and twist people's words, time and time again you have tried to put words in people's mouths, to misrepresent their views and when you've been called to task on that you've acted like a shitbag. When you have to resort to misrepresenting views, then we know you don't have much confidence in your argument.
I hope you don't behave in real life like you behave on here because you wouldn't be long getting a puck around the head, and rightly so

You're full of shit
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: lenny on October 23, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?

Very vague and subjective there

We don't test for flu.

Can you quantify the death rates and hospitalisation rates?

We also know that covid related deaths are overstated, that Covid is classified as the cause of death when nothing suggests it was, there have been a number of examples of this and this has been acknowledged by health authorities and governments.

If we had 400 flu deaths a year, does that mean 400 annual Covid deaths is then deemed acceptable?

We have ramifications of lockdowns, are all these ramifications of lockdowns and the consequences self[-defeating if the damage done is far worse than saving 150 lives from Covid?

These are the questions and discussions we should be having free from hysterics and misrepresentations.

A vaccine would reduce the need for lockdowns and all the collateral damage cause - a great reason to take a vaccine

Flu vaccines aren't mandatory, the uptake of them is limited, think it might be under 20% of the population.

There is no data that disproves or proves Covid is worse than flu, as much as some would like to mislead.

No data apart from the data that shows that Covid is about 5 times more lethal than flu.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vs-flu-deaths-hospitalized-patients.html

Any data that makes claims like that is completely misleading.

We have no way of telling whether Covid is worse than flu or not so anyone stating other is not being truthful.

  • We don't test for flu
  • We know Covid deaths have been overstated when Covid was not the cause
  • Covid is a novel virus and the first wave was likely an outlier and caught health services on the hop

To conclude that Covid is worse than flu or isn't is not possible yet so we should be mindful of stating this assertively.

Lol, so youíre saying the scientists whoíve produced that report havenít really thought it through or donít really understand what theyíre talking about. And that you know better. Very good.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rudi on October 23, 2020, 08:53:01 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course

You have a mental illness where you have to bring everything back to American politics and left wing/right wing nonsense nobody cares about.

Yawn.
Lolz

Accusing me of having a mental illness now

You've really revealed what sort of a person you are here, haven't you

Your last couple of of days on the forum has been nothing but a tirade of unprompted personal abuse against others

You know you have somebody's number big time when they're reduced to that

Accusation? More like an observation. Your obsession with turning every single conversation into American politics and left wing/right wing is a clear sign of an unhinged headbanger. Couldn't give a toss about American politics but I find it bizarre how a political figure across the Atlantic lives rent free in your head when he should have no daily impact on your life. It's just plain weird.

I'll respond fire with fire, you have made plenty of below the belt remarks on here so if you can't handle it then don't dish it out.. All you have done in this thread is try and twist people's words, time and time again you have tried to put words in people's mouths, to misrepresent their views and when you've been called to task on that you've acted like a shitbag. When you have to resort to misrepresenting views, then we know you don't have much confidence in your argument.
I hope you don't behave in real life like you behave on here because you wouldn't be long getting a puck around the head, and rightly so

You're full of shit

A puck around the head, your getting violent now Sid. So basically Angelo is antagonistic so he deserves a puck in the head. Whatever suits your narrative, the irony. I doubt it's you that full of shit.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 08:56:20 PM
Don't hold your breath for an answer.

None of those zealots have had the courage to answer me a question about when Covid becomes an acceptable risk to society like we accept seasonal flu?

It seems it doesn't matter if you die from flu. Tough luck seems to be their outlook. They are too thick to see the woods from the trees.

When

1) Covid becomes as broadly seasonal as the flu,
2) When itís contagious-ness is reduced to a level similar to flu,
3) When the death rates and hospitalisation rates are similar to flu, and
4) When we have a vaccine like we do for the flu?

Clear enough?

Very vague and subjective there

We don't test for flu.

Can you quantify the death rates and hospitalisation rates?

We also know that covid related deaths are overstated, that Covid is classified as the cause of death when nothing suggests it was, there have been a number of examples of this and this has been acknowledged by health authorities and governments.

If we had 400 flu deaths a year, does that mean 400 annual Covid deaths is then deemed acceptable?

We have ramifications of lockdowns, are all these ramifications of lockdowns and the consequences self[-defeating if the damage done is far worse than saving 150 lives from Covid?

These are the questions and discussions we should be having free from hysterics and misrepresentations.

A vaccine would reduce the need for lockdowns and all the collateral damage cause - a great reason to take a vaccine

Flu vaccines aren't mandatory, the uptake of them is limited, think it might be under 20% of the population.

There is no data that disproves or proves Covid is worse than flu, as much as some would like to mislead.

No data apart from the data that shows that Covid is about 5 times more lethal than flu.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vs-flu-deaths-hospitalized-patients.html

Any data that makes claims like that is completely misleading.

We have no way of telling whether Covid is worse than flu or not so anyone stating other is not being truthful.

  • We don't test for flu
  • We know Covid deaths have been overstated when Covid was not the cause
  • Covid is a novel virus and the first wave was likely an outlier and caught health services on the hop

To conclude that Covid is worse than flu or isn't is not possible yet so we should be mindful of stating this assertively.

Lol, so youíre saying the scientists whoíve produced that report havenít really thought it through or donít really understand what theyíre talking about. And that you know better. Very good.

Yes.

Scientists regularly produce reports that are completely at odds with other scientists. So how can both be right?

Are you naive enough to think any report issued by scientists is correct?

It's impossible to say one way or another about it yet and science has been completely mugged off by Covid so far. They still can't tell us the fundamentals.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 23, 2020, 09:02:10 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course

You have a mental illness where you have to bring everything back to American politics and left wing/right wing nonsense nobody cares about.

Yawn.
Lolz

Accusing me of having a mental illness now

You've really revealed what sort of a person you are here, haven't you

Your last couple of of days on the forum has been nothing but a tirade of unprompted personal abuse against others

You know you have somebody's number big time when they're reduced to that

Accusation? More like an observation. Your obsession with turning every single conversation into American politics and left wing/right wing is a clear sign of an unhinged headbanger. Couldn't give a toss about American politics but I find it bizarre how a political figure across the Atlantic lives rent free in your head when he should have no daily impact on your life. It's just plain weird.

I'll respond fire with fire, you have made plenty of below the belt remarks on here so if you can't handle it then don't dish it out.. All you have done in this thread is try and twist people's words, time and time again you have tried to put words in people's mouths, to misrepresent their views and when you've been called to task on that you've acted like a shitbag. When you have to resort to misrepresenting views, then we know you don't have much confidence in your argument.
I hope you don't behave in real life like you behave on here because you wouldn't be long getting a puck around the head, and rightly so

You're full of shit

A puck around the head, your getting violent now Sid. So basically Angelo is antagonistic so he deserves a puck in the head. Whatever suits your narrative, the irony. I doubt it's you that full of shit.
I agree, it's certainly not me that's full of shit, it's not the way I was brought up

Where I grew up, you'd absolutely get a puck around the head for the sort of nonsense you and your mate Angelo engage in

I'm quite old school in many ways and that enables me to see right through pathetic, preening, narcissistic, misogynistic gobshites like you who have nothing to contribute except sad, self-pitying trolling

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rudi on October 23, 2020, 09:13:01 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course

You have a mental illness where you have to bring everything back to American politics and left wing/right wing nonsense nobody cares about.

Yawn.
Lolz

Accusing me of having a mental illness now

You've really revealed what sort of a person you are here, haven't you

Your last couple of of days on the forum has been nothing but a tirade of unprompted personal abuse against others

You know you have somebody's number big time when they're reduced to that

Accusation? More like an observation. Your obsession with turning every single conversation into American politics and left wing/right wing is a clear sign of an unhinged headbanger. Couldn't give a toss about American politics but I find it bizarre how a political figure across the Atlantic lives rent free in your head when he should have no daily impact on your life. It's just plain weird.

I'll respond fire with fire, you have made plenty of below the belt remarks on here so if you can't handle it then don't dish it out.. All you have done in this thread is try and twist people's words, time and time again you have tried to put words in people's mouths, to misrepresent their views and when you've been called to task on that you've acted like a shitbag. When you have to resort to misrepresenting views, then we know you don't have much confidence in your argument.
I hope you don't behave in real life like you behave on here because you wouldn't be long getting a puck around the head, and rightly so

You're full of shit

A puck around the head, your getting violent now Sid. So basically Angelo is antagonistic so he deserves a puck in the head. Whatever suits your narrative, the irony. I doubt it's you that full of shit.
I agree, it's certainly not me that's full of shit, it's not the way I was brought up

Where I grew up, you'd absolutely get a puck around the head for the sort of nonsense you and your mate Angelo engage in

I'm quite old school in many ways and that enables me to see right through pathetic, preening, narcissistic, misogynistic gobshites like you who have nothing to contribute except sad, self-pitying trolling

Your getting nasty now I was your mate in a previous post, now I'm Angelo's mate. Jesus wept. Your turning into a hard man, doesn't suit ya. Regarding trolling have been on gaaboard for 15 years I think, I have under 900 posts, I dont comment anywhere else on social media.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: balladmaker on October 23, 2020, 09:17:22 PM
If a vaccine becomes available, given the current circumstances, I'll have no hesitation in getting it.  A roll of the dice, but even that is better than the current situation of cyclical lockdowns, and extremely limited social interaction.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 23, 2020, 09:38:59 PM
I love when Angelo calls somebody else a blowhard

It's like when Trump accuses somebody else of being a liar

It's very funny, totally unintentionally so of course

You have a mental illness where you have to bring everything back to American politics and left wing/right wing nonsense nobody cares about.

Yawn.
Lolz

Accusing me of having a mental illness now

You've really revealed what sort of a person you are here, haven't you

Your last couple of of days on the forum has been nothing but a tirade of unprompted personal abuse against others

You know you have somebody's number big time when they're reduced to that

Accusation? More like an observation. Your obsession with turning every single conversation into American politics and left wing/right wing is a clear sign of an unhinged headbanger. Couldn't give a toss about American politics but I find it bizarre how a political figure across the Atlantic lives rent free in your head when he should have no daily impact on your life. It's just plain weird.

I'll respond fire with fire, you have made plenty of below the belt remarks on here so if you can't handle it then don't dish it out.. All you have done in this thread is try and twist people's words, time and time again you have tried to put words in people's mouths, to misrepresent their views and when you've been called to task on that you've acted like a shitbag. When you have to resort to misrepresenting views, then we know you don't have much confidence in your argument.
I hope you don't behave in real life like you behave on here because you wouldn't be long getting a puck around the head, and rightly so

You're full of shit

A puck around the head, your getting violent now Sid. So basically Angelo is antagonistic so he deserves a puck in the head. Whatever suits your narrative, the irony. I doubt it's you that full of shit.
I agree, it's certainly not me that's full of shit, it's not the way I was brought up

Where I grew up, you'd absolutely get a puck around the head for the sort of nonsense you and your mate Angelo engage in

I'm quite old school in many ways and that enables me to see right through pathetic, preening, narcissistic, misogynistic gobshites like you who have nothing to contribute except sad, self-pitying trolling

Your getting nasty now I was your mate in a previous post, now I'm Angelo's mate. Jesus wept. Your turning into a hard man, doesn't suit ya. Regarding trolling have been on gaaboard for 15 years I think, I have under 900 posts, I dont comment anywhere else on social media.
I'm not the person blaming a peaceful protestor for being assaulted by a fascist, you are

Hard man, troll, eh
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2020, 09:42:16 PM
If a vaccine becomes available, given the current circumstances, I'll have no hesitation in getting it.  A roll of the dice, but even that is better than the current situation of cyclical lockdowns, and extremely limited social interaction.

Would certainly reduce the mental issues, the domestic abuse, the loss of jobs, the missed operations, Missed social  interaction and all those other problems some posters were complaining about thatís been caused lately.

No brainier when you put it like that
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 24, 2020, 02:30:17 AM
If a vaccine becomes available, given the current circumstances, I'll have no hesitation in getting it.  A roll of the dice, but even that is better than the current situation of cyclical lockdowns, and extremely limited social interaction.

Balladmaker, I work in this area. It's not a roll of the dice whatsoever, the risk is literally miniscule
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 24, 2020, 09:18:58 AM
If a vaccine becomes available, given the current circumstances, I'll have no hesitation in getting it.  A roll of the dice, but even that is better than the current situation of cyclical lockdowns, and extremely limited social interaction.

Balladmaker, I work in this area. It's not a roll of the dice whatsoever, the risk is literally miniscule

That's me sold!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 24, 2020, 10:01:40 AM
If a vaccine becomes available, given the current circumstances, I'll have no hesitation in getting it.  A roll of the dice, but even that is better than the current situation of cyclical lockdowns, and extremely limited social interaction.

Balladmaker, I work in this area. It's not a roll of the dice whatsoever, the risk is literally miniscule

That's me sold!
You say we should ignore risk with Covid yet hide under our beds from a medically approved vaccine that goes through exhaustive scientific testing

As a demonstration of eejitry that would be very hard bet
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 24, 2020, 12:37:33 PM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/first-batch-of-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-ready-to-go-within-weeks-39662915.html?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 24, 2020, 12:58:16 PM
If a vaccine becomes available, given the current circumstances, I'll have no hesitation in getting it.  A roll of the dice, but even that is better than the current situation of cyclical lockdowns, and extremely limited social interaction.

Balladmaker, I work in this area. It's not a roll of the dice whatsoever, the risk is literally miniscule

That's me sold!
You say we should ignore risk with Covid yet hide under our beds from a medically approved vaccine that goes through exhaustive scientific testing

As a demonstration of eejitry that would be very hard bet

Have you ever posted a factually correct statement.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on October 24, 2020, 01:39:08 PM
If a vaccine becomes available, given the current circumstances, I'll have no hesitation in getting it.  A roll of the dice, but even that is better than the current situation of cyclical lockdowns, and extremely limited social interaction.

Balladmaker, I work in this area. It's not a roll of the dice whatsoever, the risk is literally miniscule

That's me sold!
You say we should ignore risk with Covid yet hide under our beds from a medically approved vaccine that goes through exhaustive scientific testing

As a demonstration of eejitry that would be very hard bet

Have you ever posted a factually correct statement.
I posted an accurate representation of your position

You say "let people live"

Yet you will refuse to get the vaccine and refuse to let your family get it if and when one arrives

So you're happy to propose that society as a whole should accept what to any reasonable person would be an unacceptable degree of risk during Covid, yet you believe that a scientifically tested vaccine would present an unacceptable level of risk to you and your family, based on nothing

I have accurately represented your position and it is a position of eejitry
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 24, 2020, 06:47:52 PM
In which case you will be able to trawl through my 100 posts, I did give you the opportunity when I only had 60,  and provide quotes to back up your conclusions, if not I suggest you wind your neck in. I'll await all the quotes.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Ed Ricketts on October 24, 2020, 07:12:39 PM
In which case you will be able to trawl through my 100 posts, I did give you the opportunity when I only had 60,  and provide quotes to back up your conclusions, if not I suggest you wind your neck in. I'll await all the quotes.

What did you make of Armagh today, Seaney?

Must be great to be back in Division One after so long.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rossfan on October 24, 2020, 07:16:47 PM
I'd say that buck would be a big GAA man right enough ::)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 24, 2020, 09:25:12 PM
In which case you will be able to trawl through my 100 posts, I did give you the opportunity when I only had 60,  and provide quotes to back up your conclusions, if not I suggest you wind your neck in. I'll await all the quotes.

What did you make of Armagh today, Seaney?

Must be great to be back in Division One after so long.

I thought they did ok against a decent Clare team, not sure Grimley should have started, their defence would need to improve or they will be back in division 2 next year. I was disappointed they didn't get their last year but seeing how Meath done, another year in Division 2 has done them no harm. Not sure what the issue is with Jemar not starting. The Roscommon game was a throwback 15 men defending, last years championship run was great and the game in Castlebar was good attacking football albeit with usual handling errors. Nice going in against Derry having been promoted but the soft frees for pushing is very frustrating. You enjoy it yourself?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 24, 2020, 09:29:02 PM
I'd say that buck would be a big GAA man right enough ::)

Because my name isn't ArmaghFan ?::)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Ed Ricketts on October 24, 2020, 09:53:30 PM
In which case you will be able to trawl through my 100 posts, I did give you the opportunity when I only had 60,  and provide quotes to back up your conclusions, if not I suggest you wind your neck in. I'll await all the quotes.

What did you make of Armagh today, Seaney?

Must be great to be back in Division One after so long.

I thought they did ok against a decent Clare team, not sure Grimley should have started, their defence would need to improve or they will be back in division 2 next year. I was disappointed they didn't get their last year but seeing how Meath done, another year in Division 2 has done them no harm. Not sure what the issue is with Jemar not starting. The Roscommon game was a throwback 15 men defending, last years championship run was great and the game in Castlebar was good attacking football albeit with usual handling errors. Nice going in against Derry having been promoted but the soft frees for pushing is very frustrating. You enjoy it yourself?

You never enjoy watching Armagh. You endure it.

Good man, though. Chip in on the other side of the board. It's better craic, and a lot less hostile. Except on the Tyrone threads. Those cnuts are always hostile.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on October 24, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
In which case you will be able to trawl through my 100 posts, I did give you the opportunity when I only had 60,  and provide quotes to back up your conclusions, if not I suggest you wind your neck in. I'll await all the quotes.

What did you make of Armagh today, Seaney?

Must be great to be back in Division One after so long.

I thought they did ok against a decent Clare team, not sure Grimley should have started, their defence would need to improve or they will be back in division 2 next year. I was disappointed they didn't get their last year but seeing how Meath done, another year in Division 2 has done them no harm. Not sure what the issue is with Jemar not starting. The Roscommon game was a throwback 15 men defending, last years championship run was great and the game in Castlebar was good attacking football albeit with usual handling errors. Nice going in against Derry having been promoted but the soft frees for pushing is very frustrating. You enjoy it yourself?

You never enjoy watching Armagh. You endure it.

Good man, though. Chip in on the other side of the board. It's better craic, and a lot less hostile. Except on the Tyrone threads. Those cnuts are always hostile.

Endurement indeed was waiting for a Westmeath repeat.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 04, 2020, 07:45:03 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1104/1175953-vaccine-case/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1104/1175953-vaccine-case/)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2020, 08:42:11 PM
Desperate rare cases where the vaccine produced these horrible side effects, family are pro vaccine and pro science but this vaccine didnít use the same booster as Canada which had a safer standing... companies rightly sued ..

These pharmaceutical companies rushing through a global vaccine would be bankrupt if they get it wrong.

How many years was this particular vaccine developed?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 04, 2020, 11:25:28 PM
You no access to the internet?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 04, 2020, 11:27:08 PM
Imagine if the whole world took a rushed through vaccination, you think the benefits would outweigh the harm?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 12:14:29 AM
Imagine if the whole world took a rushed through vaccination, you think the benefits would outweigh the harm?

Imagine the whole world caught a new disease which no one had any idea of the long term consequences of?

Jim Corr has your head turned pal.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 07:07:35 AM
Imagine if the whole world took a rushed through vaccination, you think the benefits would outweigh the harm?

Imagine the whole world caught a new disease which no one had any idea of the long term consequences of?

Jim Corr has your head turned pal.

Bless, when one questions the narrative they are a looney, that the best you can come up with?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 05, 2020, 07:20:13 AM
Imagine if the whole world took a rushed through vaccination, you think the benefits would outweigh the harm?

Imagine the whole world caught a new disease which no one had any idea of the long term consequences of?

Jim Corr has your head turned pal.

Bless, when one questions the narrative they are a looney, that the best you can come up with?

If your question flies in the face of common sense then you can expect to occasionally get that - can you answer the question posed to you?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 07:46:36 AM
Imagine if the whole world took a rushed through vaccination, you think the benefits would outweigh the harm?

Imagine the whole world caught a new disease which no one had any idea of the long term consequences of?

Jim Corr has your head turned pal.

Bless, when one questions the narrative they are a looney, that the best you can come up with?

If your question flies in the face of common sense then you can expect to occasionally get that - can you answer the question posed to you?

With pleasure - see below!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 07:47:35 AM
Imagine if the whole world took a rushed through vaccination, you think the benefits would outweigh the harm?

Imagine the whole world caught a new disease which no one had any idea of the long term consequences of?

Jim Corr has your head turned pal.

Imagine if it materialises there is no long term damage, but those caused by taking a rushed through vaccine?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 07:49:01 AM
Imagine if the whole world took a rushed through vaccination, you think the benefits would outweigh the harm?

Imagine the whole world caught a new disease which no one had any idea of the long term consequences of?

Jim Corr has your head turned pal.

Bless, when one questions the narrative they are a looney, that the best you can come up with?

If your question flies in the face of common sense then you can expect to occasionally get that - can you answer the question posed to you?

With pleasure - see below!

Happy enough there are you? I can play the game on here which is answer nothing and just put a question mark at the end of everything.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2020, 08:57:51 AM
Seaney, would you take a blood transfusion if needed?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 10:18:55 AM
Yes, your point being?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 10:32:44 AM
I also have had breaks set by doctors, and taken antibiotics for tonsillitis.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2020, 10:33:04 AM
Yes, your point being?

Hemolytic reactions: In very rare cases, the patient's blood destroys the donor red blood cells. This is called hemolysis. The chance of an acute hemolytic reaction is one in 25,000. This can be severe and may result in bleeding and in kidney failure. However, complications can usually be prevented by medical treatment.
Transmissible infections: The risk of chronic infection, injury or death from transfusion transmitted infections is very small but the risk cannot be completely removed by available testing. All volunteer donor blood is screed for infectious diseases. In addition, the donors have undergone a screening process to become eligible to donate. Donated blood is tested for haptitis, HIV or the AIDS virus, and other infectious agents. Only blood that tests negative for infectious agents is allowed to be used.

Dangerous don't you think?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 10:37:50 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 10:40:12 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 10:44:25 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 05, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2020, 11:04:59 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

You are talking about stuff that we donít know about, youíre assuming that the vaccine that will be produced will have issues. Can you give me the lotto numbers for the weekend please?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 11:32:53 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

That will be some comfort if your are left with no quality of life!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

You are talking about stuff that we donít know about, youíre assuming that the vaccine that will be produced will have issues. Can you give me the lotto numbers for the weekend please?

And therein lies the conundrum, those who had an adverse effect to the swine flu vaccine probably assumed it would have no issues.  The numbers for UK lotto will be from 1 to 59, choose 6 I believe.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2020, 11:38:43 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 11:41:05 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

You are talking about stuff that we donít know about, youíre assuming that the vaccine that will be produced will have issues. Can you give me the lotto numbers for the weekend please?

And therein lies the conundrum, those who had an adverse effect to the swine flu vaccine probably assumed it would have no issues.  The numbers for UK lotto will be from 1 to 59, choose 6 I believe.

"those who had an adverse effect to swine flu probably assumed it would have no issues"


And this brings us back to the question I asked weeks ago, that you dodged.

If it is a conundrum, why not choose the option which could save lives, prevent the need for lockdowns and protect the economy and local businesses?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 11:46:54 AM

"those who had an adverse effect to swine flu probably assumed it would have no issues"


And this brings us back to the question I asked weeks ago, that you dodged.

If it is a conundrum, why not choose the option which could save lives, prevent the need for lockdowns and protect the economy and local businesses?

It will or it could, it could cause long term pain and suffering to those who take it, why can one not wait and assess the situation over a longer period rather than rush to take a new vaccine?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 11:48:36 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 11:50:15 AM

"those who had an adverse effect to swine flu probably assumed it would have no issues"


And this brings us back to the question I asked weeks ago, that you dodged.

If it is a conundrum, why not choose the option which could save lives, prevent the need for lockdowns and protect the economy and local businesses?

It will or it could, it could cause long term pain and suffering to those who take it, why can one not wait and assess the situation over a longer period rather than rush to take a new vaccine?

Because, by doing so, you are then prolonging the need for the lockdowns and other measures which you are so against?

Surely this is obvious?

And again, you didn't answer the question.  Will/could is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2020, 11:51:52 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 11:53:19 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 11:54:48 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

The moral high ground, the magical thing about these boards is that we can all say any oul shite, so you and Milhouse are going to be front and centre if the "vaccine" is available before Christmas, sleeve rolled up and family in tow, socially distant outside the surgery awaiting to be guinea pigs for the good of humanity - where Milhouse has shown as long as he is ok, to hell with the rest - I doubt it!  Your stance to call someone who is cautious a coward is pathetic to say the least.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2020, 11:56:20 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 11:56:33 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

The moral high ground, the magical thing about these boards is that we can all say any oul shite, so you and Milhouse are going to be front and centre if the "vaccine" is available before Christmas, sleeve rolled up and family in tow, socially distant outside the surgery awaiting to be guinea pigs for the good of humanity - where Milhouse has shown as long as he is ok, to hell with the rest - I doubt it!  Your stance to call someone who is cautious a coward is pathetic to say the least.

If the cap fits.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 11:59:08 AM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
If the cap fits.

Indeed you have shown yourself to be pathetic on several occasions.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 12:01:22 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

A perfectly rational statement. So will you and your family be front and centre if the vaccine is available before Christmas?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 12:07:45 PM
If that happens, hope it all works out for you all.  You are very brave.  (That's the opposite of coward isn't it - yes, yes it is).
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2020, 12:11:46 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

It's a personal choice, you do what you feel best and I'll do what I feel is best for my own health.

If you want to do it then that's your prerogative but your assertion that I'm a coward because I don't want to jeopardise my own health is just ridiculous.

I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If your way of doing that is to put something that could have serious consequences into your body then that's your choice. The leading company in the manufacturing race have acknowledged the vaccine may not even work. It just seems a bit naive that people are so trusting of billion dollar companies. There is huge financial incentive in the vaccine market and of being first to market. I'd be very concerned about the vaccine.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 12:14:39 PM
In fairness it's easy to say any oul shite on these boards to claim the moral high ground, anyone who doesn't have any reservations are very naive.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
If that happens, hope it all works out for you all.  You are very brave.  (That's the opposite of coward isn't it - yes, yes it is).

Good lad.  I'll let you know when it's ok to come out from behind the sofa.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on November 05, 2020, 12:22:26 PM
I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If a tested and effective vaccine is available and you do not take it then you are not doing your bit to not spread the virus.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 05, 2020, 12:22:29 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

That will be some comfort if your are left with no quality of life!

Undoubtedly not good enough but more comfort at least than if long Covid does the same thing...
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 05, 2020, 12:24:48 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To not catch it, absent a vaccine, we will need to lockdown indefinitely or in a globally consistent way.

On the first, no thanks.

On the second, hardly likely.

Therefore when a vaccine is ready Iíll be having it.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2020, 12:27:55 PM
I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If a tested and effective vaccine is available and you do not take it then you are not doing your bit to not spread the virus.

All vaccines are tested, doesn't stop them from having fatal consequences and for me this is far more likely when it has been rushed through as this one has.

Pfizer has said they cannot guarantee effectiveness.

So your point is based on complete uncertainties. I haven't caught the virus yet, I hope to keep it that way by doing what I've been doing.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To not catch it, absent a vaccine, we will need to lockdown indefinitely or in a globally consistent way.

On the first, no thanks.

On the second, hardly likely.

Therefore when a vaccine is ready Iíll be having it.

That's your choice if that is what you want to do then that's fair enough.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 12:37:56 PM
If that happens, hope it all works out for you all.  You are very brave.  (That's the opposite of coward isn't it - yes, yes it is).

Good lad.  I'll let you know when it's ok to come out from behind the sofa.

You are too kind, I never went behind it, don't get a nose bleed up on your moral high horse now!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 12:38:42 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

That will be some comfort if your are left with no quality of life!

Undoubtedly not good enough but more comfort at least than if long Covid does the same thing...

How long is it, its only been around a few months.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 05, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

That will be some comfort if your are left with no quality of life!

Undoubtedly not good enough but more comfort at least than if long Covid does the same thing...

How long is it, its only been around a few months.

To use the same criteria as your using for unknown effects of an undeveloped vaccine Iím going to take a punt and say 1,000,000 years
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Good as shout as any.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2020, 01:08:05 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 01:13:27 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

The title of the thread is Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021? - Yet those of us who said no and would rather wait have been lambasted, Jesus Wept - it really is the Trump world just keep telling lies!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 01:17:20 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

Franko do you think he is a coward?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2020, 01:29:22 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

Franko do you think he is a coward?

Iíve explained myself, there will be far more deserving people than me or Franko for that matter. You know how it works?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 01:32:44 PM
I know when folk try to be smart arses they usually tie themselves up.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

Franko do you think he is a coward?

No, why would I?

He's saying he'd take the vaccine at whatever point it's given to him?

Not hiding behind the sofa hoping enough other people get it so he can go back to normal.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
I know when folk try to be smart arses they usually tie themselves up.

I'm not surprised you do, you only have to hear yourself back ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

Franko do you think he is a coward?

No, why would I?

He's saying he'd take the vaccine at whatever point it's given to him?

Not hiding behind the sofa hoping enough other people get it so he can go back to normal.

Did you not read the title of the thread either, or can you not see from up there on your high horse, Angelo, I and Milhouse all said we wouldn't get it but you attack only two people.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 03:00:32 PM
I know when folk try to be smart arses they usually tie themselves up.

I'm not surprised you do, you only have to hear yourself back ;D

I bet this is your only interaction with folk, bet in the real world your are avoided like the plague.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 05:25:39 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

It's a personal choice, you do what you feel best and I'll do what I feel is best for my own health.

If you want to do it then that's your prerogative but your assertion that I'm a coward because I don't want to jeopardise my own health is just ridiculous.

I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If your way of doing that is to put something that could have serious consequences into your body then that's your choice. The leading company in the manufacturing race have acknowledged the vaccine may not even work. It just seems a bit naive that people are so trusting of billion dollar companies. There is huge financial incentive in the vaccine market and of being first to market. I'd be very concerned about the vaccine.

There's a bigger financial incentive not to get it wrong.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2020, 05:27:54 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

It's a personal choice, you do what you feel best and I'll do what I feel is best for my own health.

If you want to do it then that's your prerogative but your assertion that I'm a coward because I don't want to jeopardise my own health is just ridiculous.

I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If your way of doing that is to put something that could have serious consequences into your body then that's your choice. The leading company in the manufacturing race have acknowledged the vaccine may not even work. It just seems a bit naive that people are so trusting of billion dollar companies. There is huge financial incentive in the vaccine market and of being first to market. I'd be very concerned about the vaccine.

There's a bigger financial incentive not to get it wrong.

That's debatable.

Plenty of big pharma have got it wrong in the past. They are willing to take risks to reap the rewards.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 05:43:38 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

Franko do you think he is a coward?

No, why would I?

He's saying he'd take the vaccine at whatever point it's given to him?

Not hiding behind the sofa hoping enough other people get it so he can go back to normal.

Did you not read the title of the thread either, or can you not see from up there on your high horse, Angelo, I and Milhouse all said we wouldn't get it but you attack only two people.

Weak.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 05, 2020, 05:46:53 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

It's a personal choice, you do what you feel best and I'll do what I feel is best for my own health.

If you want to do it then that's your prerogative but your assertion that I'm a coward because I don't want to jeopardise my own health is just ridiculous.

I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If your way of doing that is to put something that could have serious consequences into your body then that's your choice. The leading company in the manufacturing race have acknowledged the vaccine may not even work. It just seems a bit naive that people are so trusting of billion dollar companies. There is huge financial incentive in the vaccine market and of being first to market. I'd be very concerned about the vaccine.

There's a bigger financial incentive not to get it wrong.

That's debatable.

Plenty of big pharma have got it wrong in the past. They are willing to take risks to reap the rewards.

Fair enough.

The rest of us will have to do it so.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2020, 07:40:23 PM
I know when folk try to be smart arses they usually tie themselves up.

I'm not surprised you do, you only have to hear yourself back ;D

I bet this is your only interaction with folk, bet in the real world your are avoided like the plague.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 08:21:35 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

Franko do you think he is a coward?

No, why would I?

He's saying he'd take the vaccine at whatever point it's given to him?

Not hiding behind the sofa hoping enough other people get it so he can go back to normal.

Did you not read the title of the thread either, or can you not see from up there on your high horse, Angelo, I and Milhouse all said we wouldn't get it but you attack only two people.

Weak.

Not pathetic? You still haven't answered.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 08:23:15 PM
Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isnít tested at all, isnít administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely wonít for most people.

You also canít sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

It's a personal choice, you do what you feel best and I'll do what I feel is best for my own health.

If you want to do it then that's your prerogative but your assertion that I'm a coward because I don't want to jeopardise my own health is just ridiculous.

I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If your way of doing that is to put something that could have serious consequences into your body then that's your choice. The leading company in the manufacturing race have acknowledged the vaccine may not even work. It just seems a bit naive that people are so trusting of billion dollar companies. There is huge financial incentive in the vaccine market and of being first to market. I'd be very concerned about the vaccine.

There's a bigger financial incentive not to get it wrong.

That's debatable.

Plenty of big pharma have got it wrong in the past. They are willing to take risks to reap the rewards.

Fair enough.

The rest of us will have to do it so.

You won't be seeing Milhouse in the queue, he's waiting until at least 2022.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2020, 08:50:24 PM
Christ Iím only getting it.... Milhouse - Milltown!! Comic genius, absolutely wasted on here lad.



Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: JoG2 on November 05, 2020, 08:52:58 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 05, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
Christ Iím only getting it.... Milhouse - Milltown!! Comic genius, absolutely wasted on here lad.

Cheers son, facts and common sense wasted on you, oh but you are ok, to hell with the rest.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 06, 2020, 08:28:27 AM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

Franko do you think he is a coward?

No, why would I?

He's saying he'd take the vaccine at whatever point it's given to him?

Not hiding behind the sofa hoping enough other people get it so he can go back to normal.

Did you not read the title of the thread either, or can you not see from up there on your high horse, Angelo, I and Milhouse all said we wouldn't get it but you attack only two people.

Weak.

Not pathetic? You still haven't answered.

Answered what?   :-\
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 06, 2020, 08:33:12 AM
Christ Iím only getting it.... Milhouse - Milltown!! Comic genius, absolutely wasted on here lad.

Cheers son, facts and common sense wasted on you, oh but you are ok, to hell with the rest.

Lol. Not as much as a hint ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 06, 2020, 10:02:17 AM

Answered what?   :-\

The title of the thread is Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021? - Your mate has said he is waiting until at least 2022, so his answer is no, my answer is no and others said no, but you berate those and not your mate - the question is the same - why is that?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 06, 2020, 10:51:59 AM

Answered what?   :-\

The title of the thread is Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021? - Your mate has said he is waiting until at least 2022, so his answer is no, my answer is no and others said no, but you berate those and not your mate - the question is the same - why is that?

He said he was waiting due to circumstances not in his control, not his own choice?

Again, surely this was obvious?

Maybe I'm over estimating you?

Yeah I definitely am.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 06, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

He is hedging his bets, waiting for it to be adjusted and changed, he won't like you be front and centre, sleeve rolled up Christmas eve with family in tow waiting to save humanity, he answered the title of the thread with a definitive NO, is he a coward?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 06, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
Tell you what.

Lets ask him.

MR2, if the vaccine happens to be offered to you in 2021, would you be happy to take it?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 12:29:31 PM
Franko floundering here. It's not a good look.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: JoG2 on November 06, 2020, 12:32:18 PM
I think  if the vaccine is safe, tested properly then I struggle to see the problem not taking it...

I'll not be front and center as I don't work in an environment that requires it, nor do I have underlying conditions that mean I need it quicker than others, I think It would be a year or more before it comes to me, by that time it will have been adjusted and changed, like the current flu vaccine is used.

Those that refuse to take it, its their choice. The odds of something happening to you after a vaccine has been tested and passed (not rushed, don't know who'll be passing a rushed untested drug on people and not be liable) are slimmer than actually catching the virus and having long lasting issues from that.

He is hedging his bets, waiting for it to be adjusted and changed, he won't like you be front and centre, sleeve rolled up Christmas eve with family in tow waiting to save humanity, he answered the title of the thread with a definitive NO, is he a coward?

Seany, much like Angelo in the Covid thread, you are making this thread unbloodyreadable.
The PHA will be rolling out the vaccine to select groups. Those not in the select groups won't have the option. That does not make them cow... Oh what's the point even replying  :-X
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rossfan on November 06, 2020, 12:34:14 PM
Seaney Angelo and Trump.
3 inhabitants of a weird Universe ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 12:36:10 PM
Seaney Angelo and Trump.
3 inhabitants of a weird Universe ;D

I see you're avoiding the Fine Gael thread like the good little establishment shill you are.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 06, 2020, 12:37:50 PM
Franko floundering here. It's not a good look.

*said Angelo, as he peered out from behind the sofa
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2020, 12:40:31 PM

Answered what?   :-\

The title of the thread is Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021? - Your mate has said he is waiting until at least 2022, so his answer is no, my answer is no and others said no, but you berate those and not your mate - the question is the same - why is that?

If Iím reading this correct,  (Iíve been known not too) me and Franko ainít mates and if youíd check our previous that would be obvious. But that doesnít mean Iíll be against anyone over a topic that I actually agree with ( donít cut off your nose .... )

I didnít realise Iíd put a date on when Iíll take the vaccine, think youíve made that bit up. Itís very simple, there are thousands of people whoíll be needing the vaccine before me, so be listed them to you in earlier post.

When itís my turn I and my family will be taking it. Iíd rather go about living without having to worry about socially distancing wearing face masks and having an opened up society, than the one you propose of just living with it.

Get it done and all those other areas that you have highlighted will be sorted, though the reality the NHS is broken and was broken long before COVID-19...

Waiting lists were horrible before Covid abuse help lines and mental health awareness and measures to stem it have been non existent. But I suppose itís a good sound bite for you to use, I actually think you donít give a f**k about them and only concerned about yourself
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 06, 2020, 12:43:51 PM

Answered what?   :-\

The title of the thread is Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021? - Your mate has said he is waiting until at least 2022, so his answer is no, my answer is no and others said no, but you berate those and not your mate - the question is the same - why is that?

If Iím reading this correct,  (Iíve been known not too) me and Franko ainít mates and if youíd check our previous that would be obvious. But that doesnít mean Iíll be against anyone over a topic that I actually agree with ( donít cut off your nose .... )

I didnít realise Iíd put a date on when Iíll take the vaccine, think youíve made that bit up. Itís very simple, there are thousands of people whoíll be needing the vaccine before me, so be listed them to you in earlier post.

When itís my turn I and my family will be taking it. Iíd rather go about living without having to worry about socially distancing wearing face masks and having an opened up society, than the one you propose of just living with it.

Get it done and all those other areas that you have highlighted will be sorted, though the reality the NHS is broken and was broken long before COVID-19...

Waiting lists were horrible before Covid abuse help lines and mental health awareness and measures to stem it have been non existent. But I suppose itís a good sound bite for you to use, I actually think you donít give a f**k about them and only concerned about yourself

Over to you Seaney.

See if you can find another straw to clutch at.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
Franko floundering here. It's not a good look.

*said Angelo, as he peered out from behind the sofa

Stop projecting.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 06, 2020, 12:46:20 PM
Franko floundering here. It's not a good look.

*said Angelo, as he peered out from behind the sofa

Stop projecting.

Substance.  ::)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 06, 2020, 03:32:42 PM

Answered what?   :-\

The title of the thread is Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021? - Your mate has said he is waiting until at least 2022, so his answer is no, my answer is no and others said no, but you berate those and not your mate - the question is the same - why is that?

If Iím reading this correct,  (Iíve been known not too) me and Franko ainít mates and if youíd check our previous that would be obvious. But that doesnít mean Iíll be against anyone over a topic that I actually agree with ( donít cut off your nose .... )

I didnít realise Iíd put a date on when Iíll take the vaccine, think youíve made that bit up. Itís very simple, there are thousands of people whoíll be needing the vaccine before me, so be listed them to you in earlier post.

When itís my turn I and my family will be taking it. Iíd rather go about living without having to worry about socially distancing wearing face masks and having an opened up society, than the one you propose of just living with it.

Get it done and all those other areas that you have highlighted will be sorted, though the reality the NHS is broken and was broken long before COVID-19...

Waiting lists were horrible before Covid abuse help lines and mental health awareness and measures to stem it have been non existent. But I suppose itís a good sound bite for you to use, I actually think you donít give a f**k about them and only concerned about yourself

You have proven time and again you are I am alright jack to hell with the rest.  So you are saying you would be front and centre if the first batch was offered to all, or are you still going to go as far to the back of the queue as you can, so that it can be changed and adjusted before it reaches you, sure if it's put in the general population it must be safe, what is it being changed and adjusted for?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 06, 2020, 03:33:12 PM

Seany, much like Angelo in the Covid thread, you are making this thread unbloodyreadable.
The PHA will be rolling out the vaccine to select groups. Those not in the select groups won't have the option. That does not make them cow... Oh what's the point even replying  :-X

Don't read it.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 06, 2020, 04:16:13 PM

Answered what?   :-\

The title of the thread is Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021? - Your mate has said he is waiting until at least 2022, so his answer is no, my answer is no and others said no, but you berate those and not your mate - the question is the same - why is that?

If Iím reading this correct,  (Iíve been known not too) me and Franko ainít mates and if youíd check our previous that would be obvious. But that doesnít mean Iíll be against anyone over a topic that I actually agree with ( donít cut off your nose .... )

I didnít realise Iíd put a date on when Iíll take the vaccine, think youíve made that bit up. Itís very simple, there are thousands of people whoíll be needing the vaccine before me, so be listed them to you in earlier post.

When itís my turn I and my family will be taking it. Iíd rather go about living without having to worry about socially distancing wearing face masks and having an opened up society, than the one you propose of just living with it.

Get it done and all those other areas that you have highlighted will be sorted, though the reality the NHS is broken and was broken long before COVID-19...

Waiting lists were horrible before Covid abuse help lines and mental health awareness and measures to stem it have been non existent. But I suppose itís a good sound bite for you to use, I actually think you donít give a f**k about them and only concerned about yourself

You have proven time and again you are I am alright jack to hell with the rest.  So you are saying you would be front and centre if the first batch was offered to all, or are you still going to go as far to the back of the queue as you can, so that it can be changed and adjusted before it reaches you, sure if it's put in the general population it must be safe, what is it being changed and adjusted for?

Again, said without a hint of irony.

I honestly think he doesn't even realise.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2020, 06:14:47 PM

Answered what?   :-\

The title of the thread is Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021? - Your mate has said he is waiting until at least 2022, so his answer is no, my answer is no and others said no, but you berate those and not your mate - the question is the same - why is that?

If Iím reading this correct,  (Iíve been known not too) me and Franko ainít mates and if youíd check our previous that would be obvious. But that doesnít mean Iíll be against anyone over a topic that I actually agree with ( donít cut off your nose .... )

I didnít realise Iíd put a date on when Iíll take the vaccine, think youíve made that bit up. Itís very simple, there are thousands of people whoíll be needing the vaccine before me, so be listed them to you in earlier post.

When itís my turn I and my family will be taking it. Iíd rather go about living without having to worry about socially distancing wearing face masks and having an opened up society, than the one you propose of just living with it.

Get it done and all those other areas that you have highlighted will be sorted, though the reality the NHS is broken and was broken long before COVID-19...

Waiting lists were horrible before Covid abuse help lines and mental health awareness and measures to stem it have been non existent. But I suppose itís a good sound bite for you to use, I actually think you donít give a f**k about them and only concerned about yourself

You have proven time and again you are I am alright jack to hell with the rest.  So you are saying you would be front and centre if the first batch was offered to all, or are you still going to go as far to the back of the queue as you can, so that it can be changed and adjusted before it reaches you, sure if it's put in the general population it must be safe, what is it being changed and adjusted for?

New member Seaney?  ;D  How many different names have you used over the years after being booted off for being a tool?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 06, 2020, 08:04:04 PM
Your underbelly of bile and hatred always shines through,its milhouses world and the rest can whistle. You don't care about anyone but your status on a board with about 20 active members, your mask repeatedly slips.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2020, 10:16:14 PM
Your underbelly of bile and hatred always shines through,its milhouses world and the rest can whistle. You don't care about anyone but your status on a board with about 20 active members, your mask repeatedly slips.

So who were you before seaney? Masks slips  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 06, 2020, 10:31:11 PM
You tell me son.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2020, 10:34:31 PM
You tell me son.

Youíre the gift that keeps giving
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 07, 2020, 10:42:13 AM
Whereas the only thing you keep giving is abuse and personal insults when you inevitably get to the point of contradicting yourself again and again. That's the problem with telling lies when you tell as many as you do it's hard to remember them all.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 11:08:49 AM
Whereas the only thing you keep giving is abuse and personal insults when you inevitably get to the point of contradicting yourself again and again. That's the problem with telling lies when you tell as many as you do it's hard to remember them all.

Never been kicked out or thrown my toys out of the pram like you..

Youíll crack again and leave or get booted out
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 07, 2020, 12:46:19 PM
Whereas you can continue to insult and abuse with impunity when called out, if this place and the sense of status you believe you have on it floats your boat, knock yourself out son. You still never answered if you would get the vaccine if it was offered to all before Christmas, but deflection and lies obviously massage your ego. No doubt a smiley face beckons.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 12:53:35 PM
Whereas you can continue to insult and abuse with impunity when called out, if this place and the sense of status you believe you have on it floats your boat, knock yourself out son. You still never answered if you would get the vaccine if it was offered to all before Christmas, but deflection and lies obviously massage your ego. No doubt a smiley face beckons.

I really believe youíve difficulty in reading posts, Iíve answered this!

If before Xmas they have safely produced a vaccine that passes all the stringent checks and balances and if those who need it first, nurses/doctors/hospital staff/elderly/underlying conditions then Iíll happily without fear take the vaccine.

But youíd be a complete fool to think any of that will be available before Xmas ... oh wait
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 07, 2020, 01:49:10 PM
So again you are saying you want to be as far to the back of the queue as possible so any adverse reactions in the first rollout don't impede you. You can keep doing the smiley faces, you know you love them.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 01:58:00 PM
So again you are saying you want to be as far to the back of the queue as possible so any adverse reactions in the first rollout don't impede you. You can keep doing the smiley faces, you know you love them.

Keep doing the smiley faces?

Bit early to be on the beer
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 07, 2020, 10:56:09 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 08, 2020, 10:16:52 AM
Based on the mutation of the virus in Denmark, setting aside the risks of a rushed through vaccine, one wonders how protected will one be with any vaccine.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 12:01:14 PM
Based on the mutation of the virus in Denmark, setting aside the risks of a rushed through vaccine, one wonders how protected will one be with any vaccine.

Has anyone mentioned hat theyíll take a rushed through vaccine? Iím just curious as to why you always talk about it...

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 08, 2020, 03:09:31 PM
I am curious why you insist on quoting large posts but there you go, by the way are you stalking me.  ::)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 03:14:40 PM
I am curious why you insist on quoting large posts but there you go, by the way are you stalking me.  ::)

Not going to answer? Sums you up
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 08, 2020, 04:56:53 PM
Says the man who answers every question with a question. You must love this place, I believe you actually think you have a superior intellect than the other 20 active members, hence your love of the smiley face.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 06:35:23 PM
Says the man who answers every question with a question. You must love this place, I believe you actually think you have a superior intellect than the other 20 active members, hence your love of the smiley face.

So thatís a no? Good man.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 08, 2020, 11:06:21 PM
So again you are saying you want to be as far to the back of the queue as possible so any adverse reactions in the first rollout don't impede you. You can keep doing the smiley faces, you know you love them.

Still clinging to this one?  ;D ;D ;D

Christ man, I know it's an anonymous forum but have some self-respect.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 08:20:13 AM
Still calling folk out you mean, as mentioned before the great thing about these boards is you can pedal any oul shite, the reality of the situation is usually quite different from folk trying to be moral guardians of the human race, especially giving the bile they post about their fellow man in the past.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2020, 08:52:10 AM
Still calling folk out you mean, as mentioned before the great thing about these boards is you can pedal any oul shite, the reality of the situation is usually quite different from folk trying to be moral guardians of the human race, especially giving the bile they post about their fellow man in the past.

In abundance!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
If the cap fits!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 11:36:06 AM
Interesting read for those pinning their hopes on a vaccine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/07/could-a-covid-vaccine-bring-back-normality (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/07/could-a-covid-vaccine-bring-back-normality)

Only a generation to wait!

Moreover, warns Peter Hotez of Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, the first vaccines might stop vaccinated people getting sick, but not prevent them catching and transmitting the virus. ďIn that case weíll still require masks and social distancing, until better vaccines come along,Ē he says.

Some immunologists think that is not all bad. If young children Ė who do not usually get so sick from Covid as adults Ė start catching the virus every winter we may develop enough immunity, if not to stop the virus circulating then at least to limit its impact. In a generation, everyone will have had it as children, and Covid will be mild. That may be what happened with the four coronaviruses that now cause common colds in winter. Genetic analysis shows one, OC43, left cattle and entered humans around 1890. It may be what really caused a pandemic that year of what we thought was severe flu, says Nicholas Christakis of Yale University, but which we now realise had Covid-like symptoms.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: mackers on November 09, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
BBC reporting that Pfizer vaccine stops 90% of people getting the virus according to their preliminary results.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: bennydorano on November 09, 2020, 12:10:52 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on November 09, 2020, 12:13:21 PM
Biden has been President-elect for less than two days and already he's come up with a vaccine

What a man

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 12:21:31 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it. 
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on November 09, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Some positive news at last, although I'm sure it will be pissed all over in the next couple of days.

If you want the vaccine take it. If not? Don't take it. End of.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: bennydorano on November 09, 2020, 12:39:43 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

The replies I read on Twitter were all replies to Piers Morgan who had quote tweeted Pfizer, so I can assure you Knobhead was very appropriate. Also, I don't care what you do chief. I learned a long time ago all you can do is look after yourself & your own - and I'll take a Government approved Vaccine without a 2nd thought.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 09, 2020, 12:43:54 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

The replies I read on Twitter were all replies to Piers Morgan who had quote tweeted Pfizer, so I can assure you Knobhead was very appropriate. Also, I don't care what you do chief. I learned a long time ago all you can do is look after yourself & your own - and I'll take a Government approved Vaccine without a 2nd thought.

What did I do....
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 12:54:02 PM
Some positive news at last, although I'm sure it will be pissed all over in the next couple of days.

If you want the vaccine take it. If not? Don't take it. End of.

Close the thread, common sense prevails.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

The replies I read on Twitter were all replies to Piers Morgan who had quote tweeted Pfizer, so I can assure you Knobhead was very appropriate. Also, I don't care what you do chief. I learned a long time ago all you can do is look after yourself & your own - and I'll take a Government approved Vaccine without a 2nd thought.

Good man, thankfully we have a government that is immune to mistakes, so you have every right to place your health in their hands.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: bennydorano on November 09, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

The replies I read on Twitter were all replies to Piers Morgan who had quote tweeted Pfizer, so I can assure you Knobhead was very appropriate. Also, I don't care what you do chief. I learned a long time ago all you can do is look after yourself & your own - and I'll take a Government approved Vaccine without a 2nd thought.

Good man, thankfully we have a government that is immune to mistakes, so you have every right to place your health in their hands.
Dunno how the UK Government is gonna mess it up ???  it's a German/US vaccine with no UK Government involvement.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 09, 2020, 01:17:14 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.
You continue to struggle with the fact that the clinical trial process is being followed. Globally all available resources have been thrown at vaccine development. When money is no object it's the same as having 2 lads laying block or 20 lads laying block, the outcome is the same but it'll be done a lot quicker. The pharmaceutical industry is very heavily regulated so there is no way any regulatory agency would sign off on a vaccine that isn't safe. It must be effective AND safe.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 09, 2020, 01:18:14 PM
Interesting read for those pinning their hopes on a vaccine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/07/could-a-covid-vaccine-bring-back-normality (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/07/could-a-covid-vaccine-bring-back-normality)

Only a generation to wait!

Moreover, warns Peter Hotez of Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, the first vaccines might stop vaccinated people getting sick, but not prevent them catching and transmitting the virus. ďIn that case weíll still require masks and social distancing, until better vaccines come along,Ē he says.

Some immunologists think that is not all bad. If young children Ė who do not usually get so sick from Covid as adults Ė start catching the virus every winter we may develop enough immunity, if not to stop the virus circulating then at least to limit its impact. In a generation, everyone will have had it as children, and Covid will be mild. That may be what happened with the four coronaviruses that now cause common colds in winter. Genetic analysis shows one, OC43, left cattle and entered humans around 1890. It may be what really caused a pandemic that year of what we thought was severe flu, says Nicholas Christakis of Yale University, but which we now realise had Covid-like symptoms.

Given the announcement today, I'd say (very tentatively) that this is not overly relevant any more.

On the other hand, it's not a great article for those who like to put forward the argument that Covid is basically the same as the flu.

Thank goodness for you that you didn't do that - or you'd be looking a bit silly right now.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 09, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

"One" of course has that option.

The "behind the sofa" option.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 09, 2020, 01:25:41 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

The pharma companies will have tested and trialed the drug before making it available to the general public. They're not stupid. The law suits they could potentially face if they haven't covered all their bases could bankrupt them.

I don't expect anyone to be forced to get the vaccine, but there's no need to ridicule those of us who would do it.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: five points on November 09, 2020, 01:29:48 PM

The pharma companies will have tested and trialed the drug before making it available to the general public. They're not stupid. The law suits they could potentially face if they haven't covered all their bases could bankrupt them.

I don't expect anyone to be forced to get the vaccine, but there's no need to ridicule those of us who would do it.

They rush-released the Swine flu vaccine on the basis that governments would indemnify them for the consequences. That's why it's the government that has been sued by the narcolepsy victims.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: BennyCake on November 09, 2020, 01:51:58 PM
Potentially billions of vaccine sales. Pharmaceutical companies wonít give feck how many people sue them for potential side effects, as this will make them trillions of pounds profit.

Like politicians and governments, I wouldnít trust the pharmaceutical companies are far as I could throw them.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 09, 2020, 01:55:48 PM
Potentially billions of vaccine sales. Pharmaceutical companies wonít give feck how many people sue them for potential side effects, as this will make them trillions of pounds profit.

Like politicians and governments, I wouldnít trust the pharmaceutical companies are far as I could throw them.

Precisely.

Billion dollar pharma companies only care about their bottom line.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 09, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
Potentially billions of vaccine sales. Pharmaceutical companies wonít give feck how many people sue them for potential side effects, as this will make them trillions of pounds profit.

Like politicians and governments, I wouldnít trust the pharmaceutical companies are far as I could throw them.

Precisely.

Billion dollar pharma companies only care about their bottom line.

You could say the same about pretty much every company in the world. Every well run business from a small one man operation to a large multi national company has to focus on their bottom line.   
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 03:34:51 PM
Interesting read for those pinning their hopes on a vaccine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/07/could-a-covid-vaccine-bring-back-normality (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/07/could-a-covid-vaccine-bring-back-normality)

Only a generation to wait!

Moreover, warns Peter Hotez of Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, the first vaccines might stop vaccinated people getting sick, but not prevent them catching and transmitting the virus. ďIn that case weíll still require masks and social distancing, until better vaccines come along,Ē he says.

Some immunologists think that is not all bad. If young children Ė who do not usually get so sick from Covid as adults Ė start catching the virus every winter we may develop enough immunity, if not to stop the virus circulating then at least to limit its impact. In a generation, everyone will have had it as children, and Covid will be mild. That may be what happened with the four coronaviruses that now cause common colds in winter. Genetic analysis shows one, OC43, left cattle and entered humans around 1890. It may be what really caused a pandemic that year of what we thought was severe flu, says Nicholas Christakis of Yale University, but which we now realise had Covid-like symptoms.

Given the announcement today, I'd say (very tentatively) that this is not overly relevant any more.

On the other hand, it's not a great article for those who like to put forward the argument that Covid is basically the same as the flu.

Thank goodness for you that you didn't do that - or you'd be looking a bit silly right now.

I didn't so I am grand.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 03:35:44 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

The pharma companies will have tested and trialed the drug before making it available to the general public. They're not stupid. The law suits they could potentially face if they haven't covered all their bases could bankrupt them.

I don't expect anyone to be forced to get the vaccine, but there's no need to ridicule those of us who would do it.

Nor ridicule those who are cautious.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
Potentially billions of vaccine sales. Pharmaceutical companies wonít give feck how many people sue them for potential side effects, as this will make them trillions of pounds profit.

Like politicians and governments, I wouldnít trust the pharmaceutical companies are far as I could throw them.

Plus any lawsuits will be decades off.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 03:41:16 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

The replies I read on Twitter were all replies to Piers Morgan who had quote tweeted Pfizer, so I can assure you Knobhead was very appropriate. Also, I don't care what you do chief. I learned a long time ago all you can do is look after yourself & your own - and I'll take a Government approved Vaccine without a 2nd thought.

Good man, thankfully we have a government that is immune to mistakes, so you have every right to place your health in their hands.
Dunno how the UK Government is gonna mess it up ???  it's a German/US vaccine with no UK Government involvement.

One minute your taking a government approved vaccine, next thing it has nothing to do with the government, so why do you care if its government approved!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 09, 2020, 03:51:03 PM
Potentially billions of vaccine sales. Pharmaceutical companies wonít give feck how many people sue them for potential side effects, as this will make them trillions of pounds profit.

Like politicians and governments, I wouldnít trust the pharmaceutical companies are far as I could throw them.
So you take no medicines? God forbid if you get a life threatening illness are you gonna tell them to keep their drugs?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 09, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
A great day.

Saw it on Twitter and the first dozen replies were from anti-vax knobheads, so numerous battles lie ahead.

Get the sleeve rolled up! You could be lying on a beach by July!  If one is cautious about administering an expediently developed vaccine are they also knobheads?  I have had every vaccination it is recommended to take as had all my children, has one the option to be cautious on this one and wait or is the toxic language from folk like yourself meant to bully folk and their families into getting it.

The pharma companies will have tested and trialed the drug before making it available to the general public. They're not stupid. The law suits they could potentially face if they haven't covered all their bases could bankrupt them.

I don't expect anyone to be forced to get the vaccine, but there's no need to ridicule those of us who would do it.

Nor ridicule those who are cautious.

Do you use cars, planes, electrical appliances? These all also are required to pass safety standards before being released for use to the public.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 09, 2020, 04:40:14 PM
That frankly is a ridiculous comparison.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on November 09, 2020, 06:27:01 PM
That frankly is a ridiculous comparison.

Hardly as ridiculous as your argument,
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 09, 2020, 06:41:58 PM
That frankly is a ridiculous comparison.
Airplanes for example (before Covid) flew millions of people around the world. The vast majority of people aren't afraid to fly because they trust the airplanes safety record. Airplanes have health and safety standards to pass to get and keep their planes in the air.

The same principle applies to pharmaceutical companies. If their products aren't safe they'll be pulled and see how that affects their share price and bottom line. Do thw same people think the medical professionals are going to put their name to a vaccine approval without checking it's safe to do so and risk their reputation and careers?

Some people have been watching too many hollywood movies during lockdown
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on November 09, 2020, 07:09:50 PM
I've yet to hear any "not getting it" tell me which stage of development or testing that hasn't been used that they would like used, not one.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Yeah because we are all biochemists and chemical engineers.  I would like to wait for more data from clinical trials, how long has the 43,000 been monitored for, what is the length of immunity, researchers say that protection is achieved 28 days after the initiation of the vaccination, which consists of two doses, what does this mean, can you still become infected within the 28 days, and if immunity is only a few months what then? 
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2020, 08:55:20 AM
Yeah because we are all biochemists and chemical engineers.  I would like to wait for more data from clinical trials, how long has the 43,000 been monitored for, what is the length of immunity, researchers say that protection is achieved 28 days after the initiation of the vaccination, which consists of two doses, what does this mean, can you still become infected within the 28 days, and if immunity is only a few months what then?

I would say that if you can get a few months then take it again? Providing it passes the stringent safety tests of course.. Looking at the safety data would be paramount, this was done in July I think so three months in already and still counting..

I'd assume these people will still be monitored? Two doses would one be a booster?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 10, 2020, 03:55:29 PM
Interesting read for those pinning their hopes on a vaccine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/07/could-a-covid-vaccine-bring-back-normality (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/07/could-a-covid-vaccine-bring-back-normality)

Only a generation to wait!

Moreover, warns Peter Hotez of Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, the first vaccines might stop vaccinated people getting sick, but not prevent them catching and transmitting the virus. ďIn that case weíll still require masks and social distancing, until better vaccines come along,Ē he says.

Some immunologists think that is not all bad. If young children Ė who do not usually get so sick from Covid as adults Ė start catching the virus every winter we may develop enough immunity, if not to stop the virus circulating then at least to limit its impact. In a generation, everyone will have had it as children, and Covid will be mild. That may be what happened with the four coronaviruses that now cause common colds in winter. Genetic analysis shows one, OC43, left cattle and entered humans around 1890. It may be what really caused a pandemic that year of what we thought was severe flu, says Nicholas Christakis of Yale University, but which we now realise had Covid-like symptoms.

Given the announcement today, I'd say (very tentatively) that this is not overly relevant any more.

On the other hand, it's not a great article for those who like to put forward the argument that Covid is basically the same as the flu.

Thank goodness for you that you didn't do that - or you'd be looking a bit silly right now.

I didn't so I am grand.

Must have been the other balloon.

It's difficult to distinguish at times.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
Don't let facts get in the way of your bile and insults.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 10, 2020, 05:40:31 PM
Don't let facts get in the way of your bile and insults.

Lol.

Irony's not really your thing is it?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 06:22:16 PM
No smiley face? Another warrior over egging his contribution. Just keep spouting lies.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 10, 2020, 09:33:05 PM
Yeah because we are all biochemists and chemical engineers.  I would like to wait for more data from clinical trials, how long has the 43,000 been monitored for, what is the length of immunity, researchers say that protection is achieved 28 days after the initiation of the vaccination, which consists of two doses, what does this mean, can you still become infected within the 28 days, and if immunity is only a few months what then?

What answers to each of those questions would satisfy you?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 09:56:41 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 10, 2020, 10:00:00 PM
Ah - ďaccording to a mate...Ē
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2020, 10:08:23 PM
In real news, a real life expert was on the news discussing how Oxford are doing very well with it
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 10:18:01 PM
Ah - ďaccording to a mate...Ē

PhD in chemical engineering, former employee and currently at the coal face, what's your qualifications?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 10:19:01 PM
In real news, a real life expert was on the news discussing how Oxford are doing very well with it

Redner still there?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2020, 10:24:36 PM
Was taking to a client today at work who had Covid, spent six days in hospital, thought he was going to die, whole family contracted it..

Was a non believer of how bad it was, never knew anyone that had it until it came to his door, was very emotional talking today.

The sooner a safe vaccine comes the better
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 10:29:29 PM
Everyone looking for a safe vaccine, strange in a pandemic they where a non believer. Would you take this vaccine tomorrow? Or will you answer with a question?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 10, 2020, 11:02:59 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.
What has this chemical engineer got to do with vaccines?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: thebigfella on November 10, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.
What has this chemical engineer got to do with vaccines?

Heís a scientist, surely if we have learned anything from these threads is scientists know fcuk all and should not be trusted.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 10, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Everyone looking for a safe vaccine, strange in a pandemic they where a non believer. Would you take this vaccine tomorrow? Or will you answer with a question?

If the Pfizer vaccine is approved and passed by medical experts I'd have no problem taking it.

A relation of mine in the UK got Covid a few months ago and she spent a few weeks in bed unable to do anything. Still hasn't got her sense of smell or taste back yet.

She assured me it was a hell of a lot worse then getting the flu that alot of the anti mask/Covid nut jobs keep comparing it to
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 10, 2020, 11:14:30 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.

Jesus.  The lads at Pfizer must be pretty dam clever then.

All the more reason to trust what they are giving out.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 10, 2020, 11:14:42 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.

Does the MMR vaccine not guarantee protection for 99% of people who take it against measles and just under 90% for mumps?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 10, 2020, 11:17:05 PM
Ah - ďaccording to a mate...Ē

PhD in chemical engineering, former employee and currently at the coal face, what's your qualifications?

Still just a unnamed mate Iím afraid. Even if it is true - which Iím on the fence about - unless you name your source this anecdote is just a exactly that, a nice little open ended story
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 10, 2020, 11:21:43 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.

Does the MMR vaccine not guarantee protection for 99% of people who take it against measles and just under 90% for mumps?

The MMR vaccine is generally well over 90% effective, but it varies according to the disease.

Clearly the only bit of chemical engineering Seaney's mate ever did was adding coke to vodka.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rossfan on November 10, 2020, 11:52:41 PM
Some great entertainment here ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 07:16:52 AM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.

Does the MMR vaccine not guarantee protection for 99% of people who take it against measles and just under 90% for mumps?

Is that currently in clinical trials?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 07:29:34 AM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.

Does the MMR vaccine not guarantee protection for 99% of people who take it against measles and just under 90% for mumps?

The MMR vaccine is generally well over 90% effective, but it varies according to the disease.

Clearly the only bit of chemical engineering Seaney's mate ever did was adding coke to vodka.

Again is the MMR in clinical trials?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 07:32:15 AM
Ah - ďaccording to a mate...Ē

PhD in chemical engineering, former employee and currently at the coal face, what's your qualifications?

Still just a unnamed mate Iím afraid. Even if it is true - which Iím on the fence about - unless you name your source this anecdote is just a exactly that, a nice little open ended story

Chief the second, that make it better, you are an unnamed contributor as are all on here, next time anyone says anything unless they supply their full name dismiss the lot, that it?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 07:52:02 AM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.
What has this chemical engineer got to do with vaccines?

A bizarre statement, what have you got to do with vaccines?  Have you to be working on one now to comment?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 07:55:36 AM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.
What has this chemical engineer got to do with vaccines?

Heís a scientist, surely if we have learned anything from these threads is scientists know fcuk all and should not be trusted.

The scientists are the foot soldiers, Pfizer share price going well now.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 07:57:03 AM
Everyone looking for a safe vaccine, strange in a pandemic they where a non believer. Would you take this vaccine tomorrow? Or will you answer with a question?

If the Pfizer vaccine is approved and passed by medical experts I'd have no problem taking it.

A relation of mine in the UK got Covid a few months ago and she spent a few weeks in bed unable to do anything. Still hasn't got her sense of smell or taste back yet.

She assured me it was a hell of a lot worse then getting the flu that alot of the anti mask/Covid nut jobs keep comparing it to

Ah - ďaccording to a mate...Ē

PhD in chemical engineering, former employee and currently at the coal face, what's your qualifications?

Still just a unnamed mate Iím afraid. Even if it is true - which Iím on the fence about - unless you name your source this anecdote is just a exactly that, a nice little open ended story
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 08:07:48 AM
Was taking to a client today at work who had Covid, spent six days in hospital, thought he was going to die, whole family contracted it..

Was a non believer of how bad it was, never knew anyone that had it until it came to his door, was very emotional talking today.

The sooner a safe vaccine comes the better

Ah - ďaccording to a mate...Ē

PhD in chemical engineering, former employee and currently at the coal face, what's your qualifications?

Still just a unnamed mate Iím afraid. Even if it is true - which Iím on the fence about - unless you name your source this anecdote is just a exactly that, a nice little open ended story
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 08:12:54 AM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.

Does the MMR vaccine not guarantee protection for 99% of people who take it against measles and just under 90% for mumps?

The MMR vaccine is generally well over 90% effective, but it varies according to the disease.

Clearly the only bit of chemical engineering Seaney's mate ever did was adding coke to vodka.

Again is the MMR in clinical trials?

Do you really need me to tell you that?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 08:15:01 AM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 08:49:43 AM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 08:52:23 AM
Apologies I assumed most would know that the new vaccine was only in clinical trials as it's only the biggest story in the world. Ill add that bit as folk on here really just want to mock and think they are winning something rather than debate, but whatever floats your boat.

Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close. (In clinical trials)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 08:53:32 AM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 08:58:58 AM
And lets face it - it was brought up to ridicule - but looks like more than one taking a redner this morning.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 09:01:18 AM
And lets face it - it was brought up to ridicule - but looks like more than one taking a redner this morning.

You and who?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 09:02:33 AM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

What is your 'chemical engineer's' point then?

What is the relevance of this figure?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 11, 2020, 10:04:32 AM
Ah - ďaccording to a mate...Ē

PhD in chemical engineering, former employee and currently at the coal face, what's your qualifications?

Still just a unnamed mate Iím afraid. Even if it is true - which Iím on the fence about - unless you name your source this anecdote is just a exactly that, a nice little open ended story

Chief the second, that make it better, you are an unnamed contributor as are all on here, next time anyone says anything unless they supply their full name dismiss the lot, that it?

Yeah we are all spoofers on here. Totally accepted.

Differences is Iím not spoofing about a PhD in chemical engineering, and spinning a story as science.

Itís all on spectrum Seany
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 10:34:09 AM
I don't have said PhD, I really couldn't care what you believe kid.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

What is your 'chemical engineer's' point then?

What is the relevance of this figure?

I'll let you work it.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
And lets face it - it was brought up to ridicule - but looks like more than one taking a redner this morning.

You and who?

I am fast concluding you are very young, either that or not the sharpest tool in the box.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

What is your 'chemical engineer's' point then?

What is the relevance of this figure?

I'll let you work it.

So nothing then.

I'm seeing a pattern here.  If you've no case to make, you'd be better saying nothing.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 10:47:03 AM
And lets face it - it was brought up to ridicule - but looks like more than one taking a redner this morning.

You and who?

I am fast concluding you are very young, either that or not the sharpest tool in the box.

 ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 10:56:34 AM

So nothing then.

I'm seeing a pattern here.  If you've no case to make, you'd be better saying nothing.

So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

So nothing there, I am beginning to see a pattern!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 11:00:01 AM
Ah the smiley face, was only a matter of time, must be a thing when you think you have made some amazing smart contribution to an anonymous discussion board with about 20 active members!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
And yet you still haven't made your point.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: JoG2 on November 11, 2020, 11:35:18 AM
James OBrien on LBC atm talking about the vaccine and conspiracy theories.. Worth a listen
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 11:38:34 AM
And yet you still haven't made your point.

If you can't understand the point, that's not my issue.  You are first in the queue with the family so any point will be irrelevant to you.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 11:50:13 AM
And yet you still haven't made your point.

If you can't understand the point, that's not my issue.  You are first in the queue with the family so any point will be irrelevant to you.

Another post.  No points made.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 12:07:39 PM
Looks like you have made 2000+ pointless posts.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 12:08:40 PM
Looks like you have made 2000+ pointless posts.

And another one.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
You are embarrassing yourself at this stage kid, it's quite sad.  Please reply and another one!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 12:19:53 PM
You are embarrassing yourself at this stage kid, it's quite sad.  Please reply and another one!

You are on a roll here.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 11, 2020, 12:21:32 PM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 01:06:56 PM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
You are embarrassing yourself at this stage kid, it's quite sad.  Please reply and another one!

You are on a roll here.

Complete redner - you should be totally embarrassed, maybe go for a walk.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 11, 2020, 01:13:15 PM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

Quote from: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 09:56:41 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.


As I said previously I don't know alot about medicines/vaccines, but I can read at a decent level and I'm quite good with numbers. The problem with bullsh**ing is it gets very hard to remember what you said/posted previously.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 11, 2020, 01:15:53 PM
Seaney - help me out here.

Do you think that an unsafe vaccine will be rolled out?
If so what is your basis?
In what circumstances would you take a vaccine?
What is your appetite for risk in this regard?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 01:41:29 PM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 02:00:51 PM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

Quote from: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 09:56:41 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.


As I said previously I don't know alot about medicines/vaccines, but I can read at a decent level and I'm quite good with numbers. The problem with bullsh**ing is it gets very hard to remember what you said/posted previously.

It is like talking to a child trying to do their homework!

Apologies I assumed most would know that the new vaccine was only in clinical trials as it's only the biggest story in the world. Ill add that bit as folk on here really just want to mock and think they are winning something rather than debate, but whatever floats your boat.

Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close. (In clinical trials)

Happy?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 02:01:40 PM
The vaccine is not live yet - do you now get it? Penny dropping at all?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 02:07:33 PM
Seaney - help me out here.

Do you think that an unsafe vaccine will be rolled out?
If so what is your basis?
In what circumstances would you take a vaccine?
What is your appetite for risk in this regard?

I think the world wants to get back to normal, understandingly.  There is a huge global appetite for a vaccine, just looks at stock markets sore when the results of some clinical trials were announced.  Is the vaccine unsafe, I don't know, I hope not, I hope it works and we can all have full lives again, you only get one.

Will I take this vaccine or another within the coming year or 18 months, no I won't, I would like to see more data, how long is immunity, are their any short term effects, any reactions, how many has one to take.  Researchers state one is immune after 28 days, what happens in the interim, swine flu vaccination has been in the news lately and the whole world didn't receive that jab.  I would like to be cautious, if you want to take it that is fine, if I don't want to take it should that not be fine also?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 02:10:46 PM

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.

Seriously are you just very uneducated, point that post out please or do us all a favour and get back to your skielectrics.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 11, 2020, 02:11:57 PM
Seaney - help me out here.

Do you think that an unsafe vaccine will be rolled out?
If so what is your basis?
In what circumstances would you take a vaccine?
What is your appetite for risk in this regard?

I think the world wants to get back to normal, understandingly.  There is a huge global appetite for a vaccine, just looks at stock markets sore when the results of some clinical trials were announced.  Is the vaccine unsafe, I don't know, I hope not, I hope it works and we can all have full lives again, you only get one.

Will I take this vaccine or another within the coming year or 18 months, no I won't, I would like to see more data, how long is immunity, are their any short term effects, any reactions, how many has one to take.  Researchers state one is immune after 28 days, what happens in the interim, swine flu vaccination has been in the news lately and the whole world didn't receive that jab.  I would like to be cautious, if you want to take it that is fine, if I don't want to take it should that not be fine also?


Well isnít all that very interesting. But here are my questions again.
Seaney - help me out here.

Do you think that an unsafe vaccine will be rolled out?
If so what is your basis?
In what circumstances would you take a vaccine?
What is your appetite for risk in this regard?

Have another go.


Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 02:13:49 PM

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.

Seriously are you just very uneducated, point that post out please or do us all a favour and get back to your skielectrics.

Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.  ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 11, 2020, 02:18:44 PM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

Quote from: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 09:56:41 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.


As I said previously I don't know alot about medicines/vaccines, but I can read at a decent level and I'm quite good with numbers. The problem with bullsh**ing is it gets very hard to remember what you said/posted previously.

It is like talking to a child trying to do their homework!

Apologies I assumed most would know that the new vaccine was only in clinical trials as it's only the biggest story in the world. Ill add that bit as folk on here really just want to mock and think they are winning something rather than debate, but whatever floats your boat.

Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close. (In clinical trials)

Happy?

I'm not the one who can't remember what he posted and calling people liars for quoting what you wrote. I was curious about your friend's claim that vaccine trials never get near 90% and having done a basic google search during my lunch hour and read a few papers from the US National Library of medicine your "chemical engineer friend" is the one lying. I found several trials in just a few minutes with success rates at or above 90%.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 02:27:09 PM

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.

Seriously are you just very uneducated, point that post out please or do us all a favour and get back to your skielectrics.

You said your 'chemical engineer' had mentioned that "the 90% apparently has never been achieved in history".

You then clarified that you meant that a 90% efficiacy had never been achieved by any vaccine in clinical trials before.  (I think?)

So without even doing any research into whether or not this is true, (dublin7 seems to have covered this angle) I will ask you again... have you some sort of point to make about this, or were you just telling us a nice wee story about how you were talking to someone who tricked you into believing they were clever?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
Just to finally put this one to bed.

Did about 15 minutes research and found that plenty of vaccines that achieved over 90% efficiacy in the clinical trial phase.

Here are examples of 2 that you can give to your pal.  It might stop him from making a tool out of someone else.

It's too late for you unfortunately.

https://aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hep.1840010502
https://journals.lww.com/jhypertension/Abstract/2007/01000/A_vaccine_for_hypertension_based_on_virus_like.11.aspx

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 02:58:07 PM

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.

Seriously are you just very uneducated, point that post out please or do us all a favour and get back to your skielectrics.

Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.  ;D

Who my phone must do better.  ::)
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 02:58:26 PM
Seaney - help me out here.

Do you think that an unsafe vaccine will be rolled out?
If so what is your basis?
In what circumstances would you take a vaccine?
What is your appetite for risk in this regard?

I think the world wants to get back to normal, understandingly.  There is a huge global appetite for a vaccine, just looks at stock markets sore when the results of some clinical trials were announced.  Is the vaccine unsafe, I don't know, I hope not, I hope it works and we can all have full lives again, you only get one.

Will I take this vaccine or another within the coming year or 18 months, no I won't, I would like to see more data, how long is immunity, are their any short term effects, any reactions, how many has one to take.  Researchers state one is immune after 28 days, what happens in the interim, swine flu vaccination has been in the news lately and the whole world didn't receive that jab.  I would like to be cautious, if you want to take it that is fine, if I don't want to take it should that not be fine also?


Well isnít all that very interesting. But here are my questions again.
Seaney - help me out here.

Do you think that an unsafe vaccine will be rolled out?
If so what is your basis?
In what circumstances would you take a vaccine?
What is your appetite for risk in this regard?

Have another go.

Ill only go the once ta.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:01:02 PM
So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

Quote from: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 09:56:41 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.


As I said previously I don't know alot about medicines/vaccines, but I can read at a decent level and I'm quite good with numbers. The problem with bullsh**ing is it gets very hard to remember what you said/posted previously.

It is like talking to a child trying to do their homework!

Apologies I assumed most would know that the new vaccine was only in clinical trials as it's only the biggest story in the world. Ill add that bit as folk on here really just want to mock and think they are winning something rather than debate, but whatever floats your boat.

Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close. (In clinical trials)

Happy?

I'm not the one who can't remember what he posted and calling people liars for quoting what you wrote. I was curious about your friend's claim that vaccine trials never get near 90% and having done a basic google search during my lunch hour and read a few papers from the US National Library of medicine your "chemical engineer friend" is the one lying. I found several trials in just a few minutes with success rates at or above 90%.

You still don't get it seriously what bit do you not get, he was talking about clinical trials, are all schools off today, post away your clinical trials at or above 90%.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:02:30 PM

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.

Seriously are you just very uneducated, point that post out please or do us all a favour and get back to your skielectrics.

You said your 'chemical engineer' had mentioned that "the 90% apparently has never been achieved in history".

You then clarified that you meant that a 90% efficiacy had never been achieved by any vaccine in clinical trials before.  (I think?)

So without even doing any research into whether or not this is true, (dublin7 seems to have covered this angle) I will ask you again... have you some sort of point to make about this, or were you just telling us a nice wee story about how you were talking to someone who tricked you into believing they were clever?

The vaccine is only at clinical trials, what else could he have been talking about - 43000 people have been given it, it is NOT live- I give up, I don't mean to be rude but you are as thick as shite.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 03:07:07 PM

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.

Seriously are you just very uneducated, point that post out please or do us all a favour and get back to your skielectrics.

You said your 'chemical engineer' had mentioned that "the 90% apparently has never been achieved in history".

You then clarified that you meant that a 90% efficiacy had never been achieved by any vaccine in clinical trials before.  (I think?)

So without even doing any research into whether or not this is true, (dublin7 seems to have covered this angle) I will ask you again... have you some sort of point to make about this, or were you just telling us a nice wee story about how you were talking to someone who tricked you into believing they were clever?

The vaccine is only at clinical trials, what else could he have been talking about - 43000 people have been given it, it is NOT live- I give up, I don't mean to be rude but you are as thick as shite.

And?

You seriously came on here to tell us a lovely story about how you were talking to a 'chemical engineer' who told you that the Covid vaccine was at clinical trial stage?  Sorry pal, but if that's the point you were making, discussion boards are not your thing.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:08:54 PM
The point is there, if you can't grasp it, and I am beginning to realise why you can't, that's your issue.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
discussion boards are not your thing.

If all your posts are like the last embarrassing few pages maybe you should give them a wide berth.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
Just to finally put this one to bed.

Did about 15 minutes research and found that plenty of vaccines that achieved over 90% efficiacy in the clinical trial phase.

Here are examples of 2 that you can give to your pal.  It might stop him from making a tool out of someone else.

It's too late for you unfortunately.

https://aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hep.1840010502
https://journals.lww.com/jhypertension/Abstract/2007/01000/A_vaccine_for_hypertension_based_on_virus_like.11.aspx

Did you miss this one?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
No my life isn't that sad that I would trawl the interweb to try and disprove an anonymous poster's even more anonymous source.  When I see him next I'll ask him - he might be mortified or he might think what you have posted is bollocks, Ill ask.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 03:28:12 PM
No my life isn't that sad that I would trawl the interweb to try and disprove an anonymous poster's even more anonymous source.  When I see him next I'll ask him - he might be mortified or he might think what you have posted is bollocks, Ill ask.

Took me about 15 minutes.

Probably best for you and your friend that this remains anonymous.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: blasmere on November 11, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
No my life isn't that sad that I would trawl the interweb to try and disprove an anonymous poster's even more anonymous source.  When I see him next I'll ask him - he might be mortified or he might think what you have posted is bollocks, Ill ask.

The source isn't anonymous
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:31:09 PM
Do you know him?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: blasmere on November 11, 2020, 03:32:19 PM
Do you know him?

I don't know anyone on here. The trials in those 2 links aren't anonymous.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:34:53 PM
No my life isn't that sad that I would trawl the interweb to try and disprove an anonymous poster's even more anonymous source.  When I see him next I'll ask him - he might be mortified or he might think what you have posted is bollocks, Ill ask.

Took me about 15 minutes.

Probably best for you and your friend that this remains anonymous.

Took you all day lets be fair, as I said next time I meet him I will tell him how he transfixed a few folk for a whole day to abandon their daily duties, if they have any, maybe you are on furlough from the civil service or some equally important role, and scour the interweb to trash his assertions - if nothing it will give him a laugh. Is it this one?  ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Do you know him?

I don't know anyone on here. The trials in those 2 links aren't anonymous.

Seriously there should be an IQ test before one can join these boards!
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: blasmere on November 11, 2020, 03:36:43 PM
Do you know him?

I don't know anyone on here. The trials in those 2 links aren't anonymous.

Seriously there should be an IQ test before one can join these boards!

You wouldn't have made it would you!!

How's puberty going?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Oh dear, touched a nerve.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 03:40:22 PM
No my life isn't that sad that I would trawl the interweb to try and disprove an anonymous poster's even more anonymous source.  When I see him next I'll ask him - he might be mortified or he might think what you have posted is bollocks, Ill ask.

Took me about 15 minutes.

Probably best for you and your friend that this remains anonymous.

Took you all day lets be fair, as I said next time I meet him I will tell him how he transfixed a few folk for a whole day to abandon their daily duties, if they have any, maybe you are on furlough from the civil service or some equally important role, and scour the interweb to trash his assertions - if nothing it will give him a laugh. Is it this one?  ;D

I can see how someone of your ability would think it would take all day.

And this is an interesting sentiment coming from someone who has racked up almost 300 posts in less than a month.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 03:42:27 PM
Interweb is amazing, you should know, googling all day, you know you can access it and continue to work.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 11, 2020, 04:04:19 PM
No my life isn't that sad that I would trawl the interweb to try and disprove an anonymous poster's even more anonymous source.  When I see him next I'll ask him - he might be mortified or he might think what you have posted is bollocks, Ill ask.

Took me about 15 minutes.

Probably best for you and your friend that this remains anonymous.

Took you all day lets be fair, as I said next time I meet him I will tell him how he transfixed a few folk for a whole day to abandon their daily duties, if they have any, maybe you are on furlough from the civil service or some equally important role, and scour the interweb to trash his assertions - if nothing it will give him a laugh. Is it this one?  ;D


Interweb is amazing, you should know, googling all day, you know you can access it and continue to work.

Less than 10 minutes apart.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 11, 2020, 04:35:01 PM

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.

Seriously are you just very uneducated, point that post out please or do us all a favour and get back to your skielectrics.

You said your 'chemical engineer' had mentioned that "the 90% apparently has never been achieved in history".

You then clarified that you meant that a 90% efficiacy had never been achieved by any vaccine in clinical trials before.  (I think?)

So without even doing any research into whether or not this is true, (dublin7 seems to have covered this angle) I will ask you again... have you some sort of point to make about this, or were you just telling us a nice wee story about how you were talking to someone who tricked you into believing they were clever?

The vaccine is only at clinical trials, what else could he have been talking about - 43000 people have been given it, it is NOT live- I give up, I don't mean to be rude but you are as thick as shite.

I cant speak for Franko, but at this stage I'm very confused as you keep changing the facts as to what your chemical engineer told you. Now while I don't know you and don't know if this person exists or not I think it's clear from what I've found on the web and what Franko found on the web in a short time that his knowledge in the field of vaccines isn't very good.

If your using his opinion as a reason not to get a potential vaccine then I'd recommend you get a 2nd opinion from an actual expert in the field or talk to a medical professional if I was you
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on November 11, 2020, 04:41:01 PM
The Chemical Engineer is probably sitting in some draughty shed washing diesel and posting here passes the time.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Chief on November 11, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
Just to finally put this one to bed.

Did about 15 minutes research and found that plenty of vaccines that achieved over 90% efficiacy in the clinical trial phase.

Here are examples of 2 that you can give to your pal.  It might stop him from making a tool out of someone else.

It's too late for you unfortunately.

https://aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hep.1840010502
https://journals.lww.com/jhypertension/Abstract/2007/01000/A_vaccine_for_hypertension_based_on_virus_like.11.aspx

See Seaney, according to peer reviewed sources, not ďaccording to a mateĒ

During clinical trials and everything.

Maybe you need to clarify this again. Ask your mate sure.

The temptation to leave a smiley face is so strong...
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
I will as I said he has a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and over 20 years in the industry, you know everyone has mates. I would still trust him over a lad who spent a full day digging out 2 articles.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 11, 2020, 06:44:39 PM
I will as I said he has a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and over 20 years in the industry, you know everyone has mates. I would still trust him over a lad who spent a full day digging out 2 articles.
In the "Chemical Engineering" industry?! You do know what Chemical Engineering is? They don't develop vaccines.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: sid waddell on November 11, 2020, 07:44:07 PM
I will as I said he has a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and over 20 years in the industry, you know everyone has mates. I would still trust him over a lad who spent a full day digging out 2 articles.

Does this "chemical engineer" run a crystal meth lab, by any chance?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 11:08:45 PM
I will as I said he has a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and over 20 years in the industry, you know everyone has mates. I would still trust him over a lad who spent a full day digging out 2 articles.
In the "Chemical Engineering" industry?! You do know what Chemical Engineering is? They don't develop vaccines.

Referees dont play football but they all know the rules.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Seaney on November 11, 2020, 11:09:05 PM
I will as I said he has a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and over 20 years in the industry, you know everyone has mates. I would still trust him over a lad who spent a full day digging out 2 articles.

Does this "chemical engineer" run a crystal meth lab, by any chance?

No.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on November 12, 2020, 02:06:03 AM


Research Chemicals, Viagra Boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opFwj4dTtBc&list=PL91JF1tG7gf5-v1rnTFVmmn5JT3hK65ZQ&index=5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opFwj4dTtBc&list=PL91JF1tG7gf5-v1rnTFVmmn5JT3hK65ZQ&index=5)

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 09:54:42 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Either he has zero confidence in the product or he just wants an easy life from here on.

Doesnt look great
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on November 12, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Smart man/woman.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Either he has zero confidence in the product or he just wants an easy life from here on.

Doesnt look great

Is there a link to that?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 12, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Either he has zero confidence in the product or he just wants an easy life from here on.

Doesnt look great

That is the stock market. Buy low, sell high.

Now if Pfizer have announced a miracle cure that's passed all these trials etc, then the product fails to get a license on the basis of fake news. This gentleman will be going to jail.

Just looks like a very smart man, cashing out. Presumably, without knowing, Pfizer stocks at the moment must be at their highest peak ever right now.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 12, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Mike Tyson on November 12, 2020, 11:27:05 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Either he has zero confidence in the product or he just wants an easy life from here on.

Doesnt look great

Is there a link to that?

A nothing story really, was agreed months ago:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/pfizer-ceo-sold-stock-day-covid-19-vaccine-results-unveiled-2020-11-1029790705


"Through our stock plan administrator, Dr. Bourla authorized the sale of these shares on August 19, 2020, provided the stock was at least at a certain price," a Pfizer spokesperson told Business Insider.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: johnnycool on November 12, 2020, 04:15:39 PM
Jonathan Van Tam (now back in favour after ripping Cummins to shreds for the trip to Barnard Castle) reckons that if this vaccine meets the efficacy and safety standards MHRA set out he'd recommend his mum gets it as soon as it becomes available to her.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 12, 2020, 04:23:28 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Either he has zero confidence in the product or he just wants an easy life from here on.

Doesnt look great

Complete over reaction.

As it transpires it was booked in ages ago. Also Pfizerís vaccine isnít over the line yet and even if gets over the line as the first vaccine it might not be the best or go to vaccine for very long. There is a long way to go on this one
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 12, 2020, 05:32:10 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Another weird correlation in the whole Covid debate.

Those who complain most about 'fearmongering' in relation to the disease are the worst proponents of it when it comes to the vaccine.

No doubt you didn't mean to do this Angelo and the ....... after your sentence was meant to read "in a deal that was initially pre-arranged in February and extended again in August"
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on November 12, 2020, 08:00:34 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Another weird correlation in the whole Covid debate.

Those who complain most about 'fearmongering' in relation to the disease are the worst proponents of it when it comes to the vaccine.

No doubt you didn't mean to do this Angelo and the ....... after your sentence was meant to read "in a deal that was initially pre-arranged in February and extended again in August"

Quite. They downplay the disease that has killed 1.3m people, while fearmongering about the vaccine that has been delveoped to the highest medical standard, tested on tens of thousands of people and approved by independent experts. That's logical.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 10:39:02 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 13, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



   
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on November 13, 2020, 12:10:30 PM
If someone who had shares then sells shares after the public announcement then there is nothing untoward about that. What would be suspicious would be buying shares last week in order to sell them this week.

Meanwhile the Russians have said that their vaccine is also effective and Moderna will shortly be announcing similar success to Pfizer.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 12:12:33 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Baile BrigŪn 2 on November 13, 2020, 12:17:11 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

You have an interesting relationship with facts
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 13, 2020, 02:16:36 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

If you've a point to make in relation to this, then you should probably make it.

'Back yourself' as you might say.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2020, 02:54:30 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 03:08:00 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Yes
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 03:28:00 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 03:40:12 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 03:43:28 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 13, 2020, 03:59:02 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 13, 2020, 04:06:04 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?

Nah, not really.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 13, 2020, 04:08:45 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

Lol.  You do realise that it's the MHRA who approve it?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 04:16:28 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?

Too early to say. Lots of countries/blocs have preordered lots of different vaccines. They want to be at the front of the queue for the ones they can use. I guess you knew that?

Preordered doesnít mean pre-paid for and doesnít even mean must be paid unconditionally be paid for
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 04:18:54 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

Unaware of anyone saying they will use the vaccine absolutely even if it doesnít get the required approvals.

Also what part of the stock market are pointing to as not being around in the 19th century?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

Not commenting on approval

Do you have grounds to suggest the deputy chief medical officer is suggesting we use unapproved vaccines?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 04:34:42 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

Not commenting on approval

Do you have grounds to suggest the deputy chief medical officer is suggesting we use unapproved vaccines?

I hate this multi quoting...it just clogs up space over forms of words.

I've made no such suggestion about vaccines or D.C Medical Officers. I simply quoted a few phrases in an article that seems to suggest all looks good (in my opinion). No nonsense about unapproved vaccines or the use of them.

My point initially was regarding the stock price boom the announcement has created (not only in the Pharma area) and the fact that it may have been the major driver (again, in my opinon) on why someone would want to create the first "approved" vaccine. Yes I understand it needs to be approved, I did say that it seems like that will be the case and that was entirely my own thoughts considering the sounds that seems to be coming out regarding it from a few sources (again, another opinion).

Your more than welcome to disagree with the opinions but there is no suggestion on my part that D.C Medical officer, or anyone is suggesting to stick yourself with the vaccine now.



Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 04:36:40 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?

Too early to say. Lots of countries/blocs have preordered lots of different vaccines. They want to be at the front of the queue for the ones they can use. I guess you knew that?

Preordered doesnít mean pre-paid for and doesnít even mean must be paid unconditionally be paid for

You seem to have contradicted yourself.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 13, 2020, 04:37:54 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 04:44:57 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

Not commenting on approval

Do you have grounds to suggest the deputy chief medical officer is suggesting we use unapproved vaccines?

I hate this multi quoting...it just clogs up space over forms of words.

I've made no such suggestion about vaccines or D.C Medical Officers. I simply quoted a few phrases in an article that seems to suggest all looks good (in my opinion). No nonsense about unapproved vaccines or the use of them.

My point initially was regarding the stock price boom the announcement has created (not only in the Pharma area) and the fact that it may have been the major driver (again, in my opinon) on why someone would want to create the first "approved" vaccine. Yes I understand it needs to be approved, I did say that it seems like that will be the case and that was entirely my own thoughts considering the sounds that seems to be coming out regarding it from a few sources (again, another opinion).

Your more than welcome to disagree with the opinions but there is no suggestion on my part that D.C Medical officer, or anyone is suggesting to stick yourself with the vaccine now.

Possibly some of the reaction has come about due to some very stupid things that Angelo rather yourself has posted.

Stock market is less than scientific. Very possible that it overreacted and treated the vaccine news as if it amounted to approval and lasting market leadership
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 04:58:19 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

I think executive decisions are more motivated in economics that humanitarianism.

You seem to be doing a lot of speculating there. The optics are very poor in any case.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 07:02:23 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. Itís not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?

Too early to say. Lots of countries/blocs have preordered lots of different vaccines. They want to be at the front of the queue for the ones they can use. I guess you knew that?

Preordered doesnít mean pre-paid for and doesnít even mean must be paid unconditionally be paid for

You seem to have contradicted yourself.

Please explain?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 13, 2020, 08:11:42 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

I think executive decisions are more motivated in economics that humanitarianism.

You seem to be doing a lot of speculating there. The optics are very poor in any case.

All you do is speculate. You tried to claim Pfizer CEO was committing fraud, but you were found out. You also tried to claim suicides were up 200% in lockdown, but you got called out on that as well.

Very first post on this thread you claimed a vaccine was being pushed through without proper testing and shock horror you donít offer anything to back up your speculation

You donít offer any facts and when pushed for answers offer nothing.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Ronnie on November 15, 2020, 08:02:25 AM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

Wouldn't that actually further these peoples thinking though?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 15, 2020, 09:41:58 AM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 15, 2020, 01:48:30 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 15, 2020, 08:33:03 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?

The difficulty is that Anne McCloskey for example stood in Derry(and a lot of others) few months back saying that the information on death certs was misleading and being distorted ie the 28 days  metric.

People were calling for that argument to be censored then, it has now been openly accepted as true.

We dont know enough about the vaccine, until we do people should be allowed to voice their concerns

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 15, 2020, 08:43:20 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?

The difficulty is that Anne McCloskey for example stood in Derry(and a lot of others) few months back saying that the information on death certs was misleading and being distorted ie the 28 days  metric.

People were calling for that argument to be censored then, it has now been openly accepted as true.

We dont know enough about the vaccine, until we do people should be allowed to voice their concerns

Where did you hear that people would not be able to voice their concerns?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 15, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?

The difficulty is that Anne McCloskey for example stood in Derry(and a lot of others) few months back saying that the information on death certs was misleading and being distorted ie the 28 days  metric.

People were calling for that argument to be censored then, it has now been openly accepted as true.

We dont know enough about the vaccine, until we do people should be allowed to voice their concerns

Where did you hear that people would not be able to voice their concerns?

here-censorship is that is it not?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 15, 2020, 08:53:28 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?

The difficulty is that Anne McCloskey for example stood in Derry(and a lot of others) few months back saying that the information on death certs was misleading and being distorted ie the 28 days  metric.

People were calling for that argument to be censored then, it has now been openly accepted as true.

We dont know enough about the vaccine, until we do people should be allowed to voice their concerns

Where did you hear that people would not be able to voice their concerns?

here-censorship is that is it not?

There is nothing in the Labour proposal that would stop you expressing your genuine concern unless the social media platform could prove what you were saying was false in which the social media platform (effectively the publisher) would be bound by the same law as print and broadcast media.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 15, 2020, 08:56:13 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?

The difficulty is that Anne McCloskey for example stood in Derry(and a lot of others) few months back saying that the information on death certs was misleading and being distorted ie the 28 days  metric.

People were calling for that argument to be censored then, it has now been openly accepted as true.

We dont know enough about the vaccine, until we do people should be allowed to voice their concerns

Where did you hear that people would not be able to voice their concerns?

here-censorship is that is it not?

There is nothing in the Labour proposal that would stop you expressing your genuine concern unless the social media platform could prove what you were saying was false in which the social media platform (effectively the publisher) would be bound by the same law as print and broadcast media.

Thats the problem, as I have said, what we were told was false 3 months ago is now true.

Censorship is something we should all be wary of, especially in this country
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 15, 2020, 08:59:49 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?

The difficulty is that Anne McCloskey for example stood in Derry(and a lot of others) few months back saying that the information on death certs was misleading and being distorted ie the 28 days  metric.

People were calling for that argument to be censored then, it has now been openly accepted as true.

We dont know enough about the vaccine, until we do people should be allowed to voice their concerns

Where did you hear that people would not be able to voice their concerns?

here-censorship is that is it not?

There is nothing in the Labour proposal that would stop you expressing your genuine concern unless the social media platform could prove what you were saying was false in which the social media platform (effectively the publisher) would be bound by the same law as print and broadcast media.

Thats the problem, as I have said, what we were told was false 3 months ago is now true.

Censorship is something we should all be wary of, especially in this country

I know nothing about the example you cite. Perhaps more detail?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 15, 2020, 09:09:17 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?

The difficulty is that Anne McCloskey for example stood in Derry(and a lot of others) few months back saying that the information on death certs was misleading and being distorted ie the 28 days  metric.

People were calling for that argument to be censored then, it has now been openly accepted as true.

We dont know enough about the vaccine, until we do people should be allowed to voice their concerns

Where did you hear that people would not be able to voice their concerns?

here-censorship is that is it not?

There is nothing in the Labour proposal that would stop you expressing your genuine concern unless the social media platform could prove what you were saying was false in which the social media platform (effectively the publisher) would be bound by the same law as print and broadcast media.

Thats the problem, as I have said, what we were told was false 3 months ago is now true.

Censorship is something we should all be wary of, especially in this country

I know nothing about the example you cite. Perhaps more detail?

The 28 days?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Ronnie on November 15, 2020, 09:18:51 PM
ďthe 28 day metricĒ as you call it wasnít false or a lie.  The publicís perception was ďdistortedĒ as you say.  Not a good example at all.  Censorship is a different argument.   Self censorship/state censorship/censorship by public pressure etc etc.  Can of worms going back to day dot irrespective of Tiktok, Insta etc etc
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 15, 2020, 09:27:46 PM
ďthe 28 day metricĒ as you call it wasnít false or a lie.  The publicís perception was ďdistortedĒ as you say.  Not a good example at all.  Censorship is a different argument.   Self censorship/state censorship/censorship by public pressure etc etc.  Can of worms going back to day dot irrespective of Tiktok, Insta etc etc

Not sure I follow.

Anne McCloskey and others stated that if we died of a car crash within 28 days of positive covid result our death would go down as covid. There was a rush to defend the  PHS death figures and then a quiet reluctance to admit it was true and that and our figures are statisically skewed.

It is only  an example about how we should tread carefully in a very fluid situation. I cant find any reason to support censorship. But im open to persausion.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Ronnie on November 15, 2020, 09:40:58 PM
The metric NEVER changed.  Your (and much of the publicís) did.  Very important to read facts before commenting.  Thereís a reason behind the metric.  For example I might drive my car head first into a wall because I caught COVID 19 and donít want to infect my daughter who will die if she catches it.  Sorry to be blunt and dramatic but the misinformation pedalled scares the bejaysus out of me.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 15, 2020, 09:54:51 PM
The metric NEVER changed.  Your (and much of the publicís) did.  Very important to read facts before commenting.  Thereís a reason behind the metric.  For example I might drive my car head first into a wall because I caught COVID 19 and donít want to infect my daughter who will die if she catches it.  Sorry to be blunt and dramatic but the misinformation pedalled scares the bejaysus out of me.

ok
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: screenexile on November 15, 2020, 10:19:03 PM
Rogie knows!!

https://twitter.com/xtinedorrian/status/1328092798021668864?s=21
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Kidder81 on November 15, 2020, 10:39:53 PM
Rogie knows!!

https://twitter.com/xtinedorrian/status/1328092798021668864?s=21

Blocked by the sounds of it
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: RedHand88 on November 16, 2020, 12:47:46 AM
Rogie knows!!

https://twitter.com/xtinedorrian/status/1328092798021668864?s=21

Blocked by the sounds of it

From what I've seen of him round Belfast he enjoys a pint.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 16, 2020, 01:03:49 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

If you've a point to make in relation to this, then you should probably make it.

'Back yourself' as you might say.

Nothing offered other than hot air.

As expected.

Wonder if Seaney got speaking to his pal yet?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 01:08:41 PM
I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.

always get very uncomfortable with the word censorship

Nothing to be uncomfortable with here though?

If it were proposed that newspaper publishers could not be prosecuted if they knowingly printed material that made false claims about a vaccine presumably you would have a problem with that?

The difficulty is that Anne McCloskey for example stood in Derry(and a lot of others) few months back saying that the information on death certs was misleading and being distorted ie the 28 days  metric.

People were calling for that argument to be censored then, it has now been openly accepted as true.

We dont know enough about the vaccine, until we do people should be allowed to voice their concerns

Where did you hear that people would not be able to voice their concerns?

here-censorship is that is it not?

There is nothing in the Labour proposal that would stop you expressing your genuine concern unless the social media platform could prove what you were saying was false in which the social media platform (effectively the publisher) would be bound by the same law as print and broadcast media.

Thats the problem, as I have said, what we were told was false 3 months ago is now true.

Censorship is something we should all be wary of, especially in this country

I know nothing about the example you cite. Perhaps more detail?

The 28 days?

Yeah. I donít know what you are driving at. More details please. Presumably she posted something that you think she wouldnít be allowed to under the Labour policy or she said something that was ruled to be incorrect at the time but is now established as being true? I have googled her and canít find anything that fits into either category.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 03:00:55 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

I think executive decisions are more motivated in economics that humanitarianism.

You seem to be doing a lot of speculating there. The optics are very poor in any case.

All you do is speculate. You tried to claim Pfizer CEO was committing fraud, but you were found out. You also tried to claim suicides were up 200% in lockdown, but you got called out on that as well.

Very first post on this thread you claimed a vaccine was being pushed through without proper testing and shock horror you donít offer anything to back up your speculation

You donít offer any facts and when pushed for answers offer nothing.

I didn't try to claim anything. I stated facts that the Pfizer executives are compromised in rushing through vaccines by personal gain and the optics of it are terrible.

A vaccine in being rushed through, what is happening here in these timescales is utterly unprecedented and big pharma is a billion dollar business.

I'm the one offering facts, you're the one choosing to ignore them.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 03:14:24 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

I think executive decisions are more motivated in economics that humanitarianism.

You seem to be doing a lot of speculating there. The optics are very poor in any case.

All you do is speculate. You tried to claim Pfizer CEO was committing fraud, but you were found out. You also tried to claim suicides were up 200% in lockdown, but you got called out on that as well.

Very first post on this thread you claimed a vaccine was being pushed through without proper testing and shock horror you donít offer anything to back up your speculation

You donít offer any facts and when pushed for answers offer nothing.

I didn't try to claim anything. I stated facts that the Pfizer executives are compromised in rushing through vaccines by personal gain and the optics of it are terrible.

A vaccine in being rushed through, what is happening here in these timescales is utterly unprecedented and big pharma is a billion dollar business.

I'm the one offering facts, you're the one choosing to ignore them.

Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 03:30:52 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 03:37:18 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

Conflating nothing. I am getting you the opportunity to set out any defects in the process. Are you aware of any defects in the process. The answer to that is Yes or No. I would be grateful if you would answer it
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:15:43 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

Conflating nothing. I am getting you the opportunity to set out any defects in the process. Are you aware of any defects in the process. The answer to that is Yes or No. I would be grateful if you would answer it

You're framing an argument I'm not having and I think your motivation for such is bizarre

I don't know whether there are defects or whether there are not.

I would have genuine worries about the potential of side effects and defects from the virus due to the facts outlined above.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 04:23:55 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

Conflating nothing. I am getting you the opportunity to set out any defects in the process. Are you aware of any defects in the process. The answer to that is Yes or No. I would be grateful if you would answer it

You're framing an argument I'm not having and I think your motivation for such is bizarre

I don't know whether there are defects or whether there are not.

I would have genuine worries about the potential of side effects and defects from the virus due to the facts outlined above.

You say you have worries due to it being rushed. My question is - is it being rushed? What has not been done than is giving rise to your worries? The answers lie with you. Please illuminate
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 04:24:04 PM
It's a simple no for me.

A vaccine is trying to be rushed through, it is not going through the proper testing and approval measures it normally would.

The virus on the other hand is being shown to have a extremely remote fatality rate, an extremely low hospitalisation rate, for people in my demograph.

Your very first post on this thread. Simple questions:

What procedures have been ignored for this vaccine?
What approval measures have been ignored?

As you are so certain of these ďfactsĒ can you post the evidence or a link to a qualified medical expert/virologist who has proved the trials of this vaccine are unsafe and unreliable
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on November 16, 2020, 04:24:30 PM
The vaccine has been rushed through - fact

Which required bits of the process are left out?

Quote
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Quote
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact

Probably everyone who works for Pfizer benefits from this. They have created something of real value to the world and fair play to them.


Quote
The optics of which are not good - fact

The optics of this are fine, it is the distortions people are applying because of their own limitations that create problems.

Quote
And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

We will. The point is though that the likes of you cannot be allow continue to around spreading Covid because you want to be "different".
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 16, 2020, 04:45:40 PM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



 

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

I think executive decisions are more motivated in economics that humanitarianism.

You seem to be doing a lot of speculating there. The optics are very poor in any case.

All you do is speculate. You tried to claim Pfizer CEO was committing fraud, but you were found out. You also tried to claim suicides were up 200% in lockdown, but you got called out on that as well.

Very first post on this thread you claimed a vaccine was being pushed through without proper testing and shock horror you donít offer anything to back up your speculation

You donít offer any facts and when pushed for answers offer nothing.

I didn't try to claim anything. I stated facts that the Pfizer executives are compromised in rushing through vaccines by personal gain and the optics of it are terrible.

A vaccine in being rushed through, what is happening here in these timescales is utterly unprecedented and big pharma is a billion dollar business.

I'm the one offering facts, you're the one choosing to ignore them.

Definitely not a fact.

More unsubstantiated guff.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:50:58 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

Conflating nothing. I am getting you the opportunity to set out any defects in the process. Are you aware of any defects in the process. The answer to that is Yes or No. I would be grateful if you would answer it

You're framing an argument I'm not having and I think your motivation for such is bizarre

I don't know whether there are defects or whether there are not.

I would have genuine worries about the potential of side effects and defects from the virus due to the facts outlined above.

You say you have worries due to it being rushed. My question is - is it being rushed? What has not been done than is giving rise to your worries? The answers lie with you. Please illuminate

I've already answered that.

Of course it's been rushed, it's unprecedented to ever have a vaccine in this length of time, that's a fact. The answer was already there for you is you bothered to look.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:53:54 PM
The vaccine has been rushed through - fact

Which required bits of the process are left out?

Quote
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Quote
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact

Probably everyone who works for Pfizer benefits from this. They have created something of real value to the world and fair play to them.


Quote
The optics of which are not good - fact

The optics of this are fine, it is the distortions people are applying because of their own limitations that create problems.

Quote
And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

We will. The point is though that the likes of you cannot be allow continue to around spreading Covid because you want to be "different".

I haven't got Covid because I follow all the guidelines I'm required to. I don't want to be different, I just value my health first and foremost and I don't want to jeopardise my health by having my body injected with something that could have serious consequences because it makes you feel at ease.

The optics of it are not fine. Billion dollar pharma exec becomes enriched as vaccine gets rushed through, the optics of it are terrible. Optics are how things look and that's how it looks.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: thebigfella on November 16, 2020, 05:13:37 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

Conflating nothing. I am getting you the opportunity to set out any defects in the process. Are you aware of any defects in the process. The answer to that is Yes or No. I would be grateful if you would answer it

You're framing an argument I'm not having and I think your motivation for such is bizarre

I don't know whether there are defects or whether there are not.

I would have genuine worries about the potential of side effects and defects from the virus due to the facts outlined above.

You say you have worries due to it being rushed. My question is - is it being rushed? What has not been done than is giving rise to your worries? The answers lie with you. Please illuminate

I've already answered that.

Of course it's been rushed, it's unprecedented to ever have a vaccine in this length of time, that's a fact. The answer was already there for you is you bothered to look.

It's being prioritised, there is a difference between that and bypassing process
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 16, 2020, 05:22:27 PM
The vaccine has been rushed through - fact

Which required bits of the process are left out?

Quote
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Quote
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact

Probably everyone who works for Pfizer benefits from this. They have created something of real value to the world and fair play to them.


Quote
The optics of which are not good - fact

The optics of this are fine, it is the distortions people are applying because of their own limitations that create problems.

Quote
And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

We will. The point is though that the likes of you cannot be allow continue to around spreading Covid because you want to be "different".

I haven't got Covid because I follow all the guidelines I'm required to. I don't want to be different, I just value my health first and foremost and I don't want to jeopardise my health by having my body injected with something that could have serious consequences because it makes you feel at ease.

The optics of it are not fine. Billion dollar pharma exec becomes enriched as vaccine gets rushed through, the optics of it are terrible. Optics are how things look and that's how it looks.

Optics are for Sun readers.

Nobody with a functioning frontal lobe would base a decision on the optics of anything.

Maybe this is the problem.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Rossfan on November 16, 2020, 05:28:09 PM
I'll be alright for an oul jab now
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1116/1178526-eu-vaccine-dea
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 05:28:26 PM


Optics are for Sun readers.

Nobody with a functioning frontal lobe would base a decision on the optics of anything.

Maybe this is the problem.

Not true, optics are for integrity, they are an ethical issue.

So when you compare an ethical an issue with The Sun in one sentence then I think we can assess the lack of intelligence in your point.

Billion dollar pharma has had plenty of disgraces in the past. The very company whose CEO benefits with that bonus from the vaccine making it to market had to settle a lawsuit for $2bn in recent years. Do I trust the ethical values of Pfizer? I do in my hoop.

Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 05:33:56 PM
I donít see the problem here, Angelo doesnít take the vaccine is a win.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Ronnie on November 16, 2020, 05:37:51 PM
The problem isnít with 1 fool.  Itís the poll at the top of the page.  If Angelo wants to argue ethics with Plato thatís up to him.  I say censor away western democratic regimes...
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 06:56:09 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

Conflating nothing. I am getting you the opportunity to set out any defects in the process. Are you aware of any defects in the process. The answer to that is Yes or No. I would be grateful if you would answer it

You're framing an argument I'm not having and I think your motivation for such is bizarre

I don't know whether there are defects or whether there are not.

I would have genuine worries about the potential of side effects and defects from the virus due to the facts outlined above.

You say you have worries due to it being rushed. My question is - is it being rushed? What has not been done than is giving rise to your worries? The answers lie with you. Please illuminate

I've already answered that.

Of course it's been rushed, it's unprecedented to ever have a vaccine in this length of time, that's a fact. The answer was already there for you is you bothered to look.

Repeating that it is being rushed because you say it is being rushed is not in any meaningful sense answering the questions. Things can be done quickly by throwing more resources at it or you can just lucky with the first batch. Meaningfully being rushed, if were to induce a risk, which seems to be your point, must necessarily something not being done so as to cut a corner. So what it is that is creating the risk that makes you fearful?

Just answer that question
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 06:57:37 PM
The vaccine has been rushed through - fact

Which required bits of the process are left out?

Quote
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Quote
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact

Probably everyone who works for Pfizer benefits from this. They have created something of real value to the world and fair play to them.


Quote
The optics of which are not good - fact

The optics of this are fine, it is the distortions people are applying because of their own limitations that create problems.

Quote
And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

We will. The point is though that the likes of you cannot be allow continue to around spreading Covid because you want to be "different".

I haven't got Covid because I follow all the guidelines I'm required to. I don't want to be different, I just value my health first and foremost and I don't want to jeopardise my health by having my body injected with something that could have serious consequences because it makes you feel at ease.

The optics of it are not fine. Billion dollar pharma exec becomes enriched as vaccine gets rushed through, the optics of it are terrible. Optics are how things look and that's how it looks.

Back it up? What is it that makes you worried? Point it out or acknowledge that you have nothing to back it up
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 06:58:57 PM


Optics are for Sun readers.

Nobody with a functioning frontal lobe would base a decision on the optics of anything.

Maybe this is the problem.

Not true, optics are for integrity, they are an ethical issue.

So when you compare an ethical an issue with The Sun in one sentence then I think we can assess the lack of intelligence in your point.

Billion dollar pharma has had plenty of disgraces in the past. The very company whose CEO benefits with that bonus from the vaccine making it to market had to settle a lawsuit for $2bn in recent years. Do I trust the ethical values of Pfizer? I do in my hoop.

You keep getting caught out on thread after thread. Questions get posed and you leg it. Some one to lecture on integrity
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 07:00:30 PM
I donít see the problem here, Angelo doesnít take the vaccine is a win.

No it isnít. We all need people, even the assholes to take a the vaccine if and when it becomes available
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 16, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
There is a definite correlation between intelligence and anti-maskers/vaxxers.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 07:15:08 PM
I donít see the problem here, Angelo doesnít take the vaccine is a win.

No it isnít. We all need people, even the assholes to take a the vaccine if and when it becomes available

Well if heís following procedures heís fine as everyone else. Heís following the science for one thing and not the other.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Gmac on November 16, 2020, 07:27:55 PM
What will happen to people who donít take the vaccine or donít have access to it ,Will they be ostracized from the community .
Will people who have taken the vaccine have a card or some sort of certification to say they are vaccinated. The administration of the vaccine and the problems it going to raise should be examined closely before its rolled out , there will be huge problems especially at the start .
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 07:29:02 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

Conflating nothing. I am getting you the opportunity to set out any defects in the process. Are you aware of any defects in the process. The answer to that is Yes or No. I would be grateful if you would answer it

You're framing an argument I'm not having and I think your motivation for such is bizarre

I don't know whether there are defects or whether there are not.

I would have genuine worries about the potential of side effects and defects from the virus due to the facts outlined above.

You say you have worries due to it being rushed. My question is - is it being rushed? What has not been done than is giving rise to your worries? The answers lie with you. Please illuminate

I've already answered that.

Of course it's been rushed, it's unprecedented to ever have a vaccine in this length of time, that's a fact. The answer was already there for you is you bothered to look.

Repeating that it is being rushed because you say it is being rushed is not in any meaningful sense answering the questions. Things can be done quickly by throwing more resources at it or you can just lucky with the first batch. Meaningfully being rushed, if were to induce a risk, which seems to be your point, must necessarily something not being done so as to cut a corner. So what it is that is creating the risk that makes you fearful?

Just answer that question

I've already answered the question.

You have just taken the choice to ignore matters of fact so I think that says it all. I let the facts influence my opinions and views and you ignore them to arrive at yours. Can't put it any simpler than that.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 07:30:22 PM
What will happen to people who donít take the vaccine or donít have access to it ,Will they be ostracized from the community .
Will people who have taken the vaccine have a card or some sort of certification to say they are vaccinated. The administration of the vaccine and the problems it going to raise should be examined closely before its rolled out , there will be huge problems especially at the start .

Countries may want a certificate to show youíve taken it so that youíre not bringing it into their country ... Covid passport
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 08:26:46 PM


Offering facts??

Ok. You claim that a vaccine is being rushed through. So list the factual things that should have happened by not with this vaccine that have not factually happened?

You're conflating things as usual.

The vaccine has been rushed through - fact
It is unprecedented to have a vaccine in this timeframe - fact
Pfizer CEO did have personal gains in getting the vaccine approved to market - fact
The optics of which are not good - fact

And that's why I've arrived at my position, if you want to ignore that then fire ahead.

Conflating nothing. I am getting you the opportunity to set out any defects in the process. Are you aware of any defects in the process. The answer to that is Yes or No. I would be grateful if you would answer it

You're framing an argument I'm not having and I think your motivation for such is bizarre

I don't know whether there are defects or whether there are not.

I would have genuine worries about the potential of side effects and defects from the virus due to the facts outlined above.

You say you have worries due to it being rushed. My question is - is it being rushed? What has not been done than is giving rise to your worries? The answers lie with you. Please illuminate

I've already answered that.

Of course it's been rushed, it's unprecedented to ever have a vaccine in this length of time, that's a fact. The answer was already there for you is you bothered to look.

Repeating that it is being rushed because you say it is being rushed is not in any meaningful sense answering the questions. Things can be done quickly by throwing more resources at it or you can just lucky with the first batch. Meaningfully being rushed, if were to induce a risk, which seems to be your point, must necessarily something not being done so as to cut a corner. So what it is that is creating the risk that makes you fearful?

Just answer that question

I've already answered the question.

You have just taken the choice to ignore matters of fact so I think that says it all. I let the facts influence my opinions and views and you ignore them to arrive at yours. Can't put it any simpler than that.

You havenít answered the question. Your failure to answer it could be described as complete and absolute. Answer it now. State the part of the vaccine development process that has been left out? Should be easy to answer given you Calum to already have done so.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 08:27:31 PM
What will happen to people who donít take the vaccine or donít have access to it ,Will they be ostracized from the community .
Will people who have taken the vaccine have a card or some sort of certification to say they are vaccinated. The administration of the vaccine and the problems it going to raise should be examined closely before its rolled out , there will be huge problems especially at the start .

Countries may want a certificate to show youíve taken it so that youíre not bringing it into their country ... Covid passport

A very good point.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 08:32:51 PM
What will happen to people who donít take the vaccine or donít have access to it ,Will they be ostracized from the community .
Will people who have taken the vaccine have a card or some sort of certification to say they are vaccinated. The administration of the vaccine and the problems it going to raise should be examined closely before its rolled out , there will be huge problems especially at the start .

As pointed out elsewhere there may be a role for cards internationally. Also commercially. But I donít think you will need one to walk the streets.

Important that vaccines, even when approved and rolled out, are a long way from a relaxation of social distancing measures.

Iím nearly sure that the roll out of the vaccine will be examined. What makes you think it might not?

Are problems not avoidable with the right planning and buy in?

Buy in is critical. We are all reliant on people not being dicks
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Gmac on November 16, 2020, 08:53:45 PM
What will happen to people who donít take the vaccine or donít have access to it ,Will they be ostracized from the community .
Will people who have taken the vaccine have a card or some sort of certification to say they are vaccinated. The administration of the vaccine and the problems it going to raise should be examined closely before its rolled out , there will be huge problems especially at the start .

As pointed out elsewhere there may be a role for cards internationally. Also commercially. But I donít think you will need one to walk the streets.

Important that vaccines, even when approved and rolled out, are a long way from a relaxation of social distancing measures.

Iím nearly sure that the roll out of the vaccine will be examined. What makes you think it might not?

Are problems not avoidable with the right planning and buy in?

Buy in is critical. We are all reliant on people not being dicks
unless it goes away there are going to be a lot of situations where regular everyday people are going to be deciding entry for people  like pubs , restaurants , sporting events, shops  in the us for example it would be end of 2022 before everyone is vaccinated at 15 m people a month . Maybe we have to stay masked up and at 25% capacity for a a year or so .
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Franko on November 16, 2020, 09:12:15 PM


Optics are for Sun readers.

Nobody with a functioning frontal lobe would base a decision on the optics of anything.

Maybe this is the problem.

Not true, optics are for integrity, they are an ethical issue.

So when you compare an ethical an issue with The Sun in one sentence then I think we can assess the lack of intelligence in your point.

Billion dollar pharma has had plenty of disgraces in the past. The very company whose CEO benefits with that bonus from the vaccine making it to market had to settle a lawsuit for $2bn in recent years. Do I trust the ethical values of Pfizer? I do in my hoop.

Lol at that first sentence.

Your behaviour is exactly that of a tabloid.  Big headline but no substance.  Ignore facts, repeat propaganda, throw out selective quotes with no context, run for cover when pressed for evidence.  Someone who behaves in such a manner has no place mentioning the word ethics.

The thing is, I think the tabloids choose to do this.  You on the other hand are constrained by the unfortunate hand you were dealt.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:24:11 PM


Optics are for Sun readers.

Nobody with a functioning frontal lobe would base a decision on the optics of anything.

Maybe this is the problem.

Not true, optics are for integrity, they are an ethical issue.

So when you compare an ethical an issue with The Sun in one sentence then I think we can assess the lack of intelligence in your point.

Billion dollar pharma has had plenty of disgraces in the past. The very company whose CEO benefits with that bonus from the vaccine making it to market had to settle a lawsuit for $2bn in recent years. Do I trust the ethical values of Pfizer? I do in my hoop.

Lol at that first sentence.

Your behaviour is exactly that of a tabloid.  Big headline but no substance.  Ignore facts, repeat propaganda, throw out selective quotes with no context, run for cover when pressed for evidence.  Someone who behaves in such a manner has no place mentioning the word ethics.

The thing is, I think the tabloids choose to do this.  You on the other hand are constrained by the unfortunate hand you were dealt.

The only one being tabloidy is you where billion dollar pharma is not to be questioned.

If you can't see how it looks bad for a CEO of a billion dollar pharma company who have had to settle multiple lawsuits in the past to offload a load of shares on the day they announce a vaccine rushed through in under a year then you must be lacking any semblance on intelligence.

Most professional bodies will have codes of conduct and ethical guidelines on the optics of things. The optics of this are absolutely appalling and anyone who has a brain in their head can see this. That must be why you are struggling.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: armaghniac on November 16, 2020, 09:38:57 PM
What will happen to people who donít take the vaccine or donít have access to it ,Will they be ostracized from the community .
Will people who have taken the vaccine have a card or some sort of certification to say they are vaccinated. The administration of the vaccine and the problems it going to raise should be examined closely before its rolled out , there will be huge problems especially at the start .

It needs to be recorded against your passport, so that people without vaccines are not allowed fly or enter the country. It is perhaps harder to track down people using buses etc, but the effort has to be made.
Title: Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
Post by: LCohen on November 16, 2020, 09:47:31 PM
What will happen to people who donít take the vaccine or donít have access to it ,Will they be ostracized from the community .
Will people who have taken the vaccine have a card or some sort of certification to say they are vaccinated. The administration of the vaccine and the problems it going to raise should be examined closely before its rolled out , there will be huge problems especially at the start .

As pointed out elsewhere there may be a role for cards internationally. Also commercially. But I donít think you will need one to walk the streets.

Important that vaccines, even when approved and rolled out, are a long way from a relaxation of social distancing measures.

Iím nearly sure that the roll out of the vaccine will be examined. What makes you think it might not?

Are problems not avoidable with the right planning and buy in?

Buy in is critical. We are all reliant on people not being dicks
unless it goes away there are going to be a lot of situations where regular everyday people are going to be deciding entry for people  like pubs , restaurants , sporting events, shops  in the us for example it would be end of 2022 before everyone is vaccinated at 15 m people a month . Maybe we have to stay masked up and at 25% capacity for a a year or so .

Also as it stands the same individual will need multiple vaccinations. 2 injections to get immunity and 2 more each t