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Title: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 19, 2020, 10:33:18 PM
Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this, should we plough on or cancel?

While it was great having county football back last weekend, I'd probably lean towards cancelling partly because of the risk of spreading the virus and partly because we could end up with a devalued championship if teams lose a rake of players just before a big game
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: galwayman on October 19, 2020, 11:43:33 PM
Thatís a very good question. Iím leaning towards cancelling also for the same reasons you have outlined. If teams may be without a succession of players due to COVID concerns then it absolutely will completely devalue the competition imo.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Sportacus on October 19, 2020, 11:54:00 PM
I think you just have to hang in for now, with strictest possible protection for the players. Even at the weekend past I was wondering to myself what the Covid factor was, were Mayo really that much better than Galway, that type of thing.  So it will inevitably have an asterisk against it if by some miracle it completes. I was surprised how little the empty ground didnít spoil watching it.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: pbat on October 20, 2020, 12:31:20 AM
If the GAA are using the Elite line they should be forced to put all 32 teams in hotels from this weekend until they are out of the tournament. 6 weeks for the finalists, pay all players wages for that period. Treat it like a world cup, squads of 30 named 10 of backroom teams no outsiders in or out of camp. But they wouldn't pay for that.

And i'm not anti GAA but believe that's only way to be both safe and fair.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 20, 2020, 01:05:09 AM
The virus has to be stopped. All other concerns are secondary. People who want their GAA fix will have to content themselves with watching archived matches from previous years.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2020, 01:26:01 AM
The virus has to be stopped. All other concerns are secondary. People who want their GAA fix will have to content themselves with watching archived matches from previous years.

2020 All Ireland championships got the go ahead tonight.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 20, 2020, 07:47:34 AM
People are willing to trust the medical experts on going to level 5 so why not trust them that sport at this level is ok and provides other benefits. Some people just seem to want to cancel it because other things are being cancelled/stopped without any evidence that it will actually make any difference. Thousands of club games were played until recently and the only transmission identified was of the pitch at celebrations (always one club and not passed on to the club they played that day). At county level there will be even stricter protocols in place and boys wont be gathering in pubs after the match to reflect on that days games.

Some point out to the travel involved and games in hotspot areas. Again I don't see a massive issue here as teams will be pulling up at a ground playing a game and driving home. It's not like they'll be calling into local establishments after the game. Also after this weeks league games other than a the a very limited number of games at all ireland stages all games will be played within the same province restricting the travel further.

Then you have the argument of it devaluing the competition if players are missing. That is very unfortunate but surely something is better than nothing. Over the years due to recessions, wars etc loads of top players have been missing from counties but we never considered cancelling the games before. And if we cancel the games this year the chances are we might as well cancel them next year as the same circumstances will exist.

The other argument seems to be about the fact the gaa is amateur. This is true but there is still of jobs whether it be administrative, coaching, journalists etc that rely on these games to generate money. There's also the capital investment the gaa makes in projects across the country from the money made.

Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 20, 2020, 07:50:06 AM
If the GAA are using the Elite line they should be forced to put all 32 teams in hotels from this weekend until they are out of the tournament. 6 weeks for the finalists, pay all players wages for that period. Treat it like a world cup, squads of 30 named 10 of backroom teams no outsiders in or out of camp. But they wouldn't pay for that.

And i'm not anti GAA but believe that's only way to be both safe and fair.

I'm fairly sure this isn't happening for the other elite games going on in the league of ireland or pro 14. Does this mean they aren't elite either?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: burdizzo on October 20, 2020, 07:51:13 AM
At last - Redhand - someone talking some sense.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Taylor on October 20, 2020, 08:25:09 AM
If the GAA are using the Elite line they should be forced to put all 32 teams in hotels from this weekend until they are out of the tournament. 6 weeks for the finalists, pay all players wages for that period. Treat it like a world cup, squads of 30 named 10 of backroom teams no outsiders in or out of camp. But they wouldn't pay for that.

And i'm not anti GAA but believe that's only way to be both safe and fair.

Alright Berno - how are ye?
Would you have an hotel a team could use perhaps?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: APM on October 20, 2020, 08:48:08 AM
People are willing to trust the medical experts on going to level 5 so why not trust them that sport at this level is ok and provides other benefits. Some people just seem to want to cancel it because other things are being cancelled/stopped without any evidence that it will actually make any difference. Thousands of club games were played until recently and the only transmission identified was of the pitch at celebrations (always one club and not passed on to the club they played that day). At county level there will be even stricter protocols in place and boys wont be gathering in pubs after the match to reflect on that days games.

Some point out to the travel involved and games in hotspot areas. Again I don't see a massive issue here as teams will be pulling up at a ground playing a game and driving home. It's not like they'll be calling into local establishments after the game. Also after this weeks league games other than a the a very limited number of games at all ireland stages all games will be played within the same province restricting the travel further.

Then you have the argument of it devaluing the competition if players are missing. That is very unfortunate but surely something is better than nothing. Over the years due to recessions, wars etc loads of top players have been missing from counties but we never considered cancelling the games before. And if we cancel the games this year the chances are we might as well cancel them next year as the same circumstances will exist.

The other argument seems to be about the fact the gaa is amateur. This is true but there is still of jobs whether it be administrative, coaching, journalists etc that rely on these games to generate money. There's also the capital investment the gaa makes in projects across the country from the money made.

Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

100% - Excellent Post!
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: imtommygunn on October 20, 2020, 09:07:56 AM
What if you are a GAA supporter but don't think it should go ahead?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: BennyCake on October 20, 2020, 09:15:11 AM
If the GAA are using the Elite line they should be forced to put all 32 teams in hotels from this weekend until they are out of the tournament. 6 weeks for the finalists, pay all players wages for that period. Treat it like a world cup, squads of 30 named 10 of backroom teams no outsiders in or out of camp. But they wouldn't pay for that.

And i'm not anti GAA but believe that's only way to be both safe and fair.

Sure I said similar months ago.

Play the All Ireland championship on Innishturk. Great setting for a match.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 20, 2020, 09:19:33 AM
What if you are a GAA supporter but don't think it should go ahead?

I dealt with most reasons people don't seem to want to games to go ahead for in my post - both from gaa and non gaa people. I'm not saying I'm right but there does seem to be a lot of ignorance and random arguments going about as to why the games should be cancelled.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Rossfan on October 20, 2020, 09:55:55 AM
Just had a discussion with a local barber.
He is fkn fuming that he has to shut down his livelihood while hundreds of "GAA players" can travel the length and breadth of the Country indulging in their pastime and most of them in "safe jobs" that they can continue to go into.
Tried to point out that his business would still be closed even if the GAA cancelled all games for the 6 weeks but he's not listening.
As far as he's concerned those hundreds of players are at more risk of catching/spreading it than him cutting a few locsl lads' hair every day.
I get the good for morale bit and NPHET say it's ok but my gut reaction is the Championships shouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 20, 2020, 10:03:18 AM
Just had a discussion with a local barber.
He is fkn fuming that he has to shut down his livelihood while hundreds of "GAA players" can travel the length and breadth of the Country indulging in their pastime and most of them in "safe jobs" that they can continue to go into.
Tried to point out that his business would still be closed even if the GAA cancelled all games for the 6 weeks but he's not listening.
As far as he's concerned those hundreds of players are at more risk of catching/spreading it than him cutting a few locsl lads' hair every day.
I get the good for morale bit and NPHET say it's ok but my gut reaction is the Championships shouldn't happen.

You see that's totally illogical. The chances of catching the virus outdoors is something like 22 times less. Players moving around at speed in an outdoor environment are a totally different scenario to a man being in close proximity to people indoors for 20-30 minutes. So his argument is that even if it's deemed safe it should stop because he has to close even though there is no correlation between the two things?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 20, 2020, 10:04:21 AM
Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

TBF, there aren't too many of those on here, most posters are diehard GAA people. I only posed the question to get a feel for what GAA people think about it

I agree with your general point though that it's only the GAA championship that's being discussed in the media rather than LoI (vast majority amateur) or pro 14 (vast majority professional but with an international element which must increase risk)
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: thewobbler on October 20, 2020, 10:09:06 AM
The thing about the spring lockdown was that we knew summer was coming at the end of it. The evenings were getting longer. Then we had that amazing spell of weather.

The first weekend of autumn lockdown was actually a lot more bearable than I expected because:

1. The weather was good,
2. I got to play golf,
3. There was GAA, soccer and NFL on the TV.

Number 1 will not happen that often over the coming months. Number 2 is dependent on number 1 (-(and Govt policy). At least number 3, if available, will provide a structure to the weekend going forward; something to look forward to and reflect upon, in otherwise mundane times.

Obviously not everyone is into sport. But a sizeable chunk of the population are - and if the actions of 1,000 athletes are going to help tens or hundreds of thousands of us from going stir crazy this winter, then I say bring it on. We need it. If we can assign ďfront line jobsĒ for all manner of production, then we surely can to the same for a service.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: trileacman on October 20, 2020, 10:14:47 AM
People are willing to trust the medical experts on going to level 5 so why not trust them that sport at this level is ok and provides other benefits. Some people just seem to want to cancel it because other things are being cancelled/stopped without any evidence that it will actually make any difference. Thousands of club games were played until recently and the only transmission identified was of the pitch at celebrations (always one club and not passed on to the club they played that day). At county level there will be even stricter protocols in place and boys wont be gathering in pubs after the match to reflect on that days games.

Some point out to the travel involved and games in hotspot areas. Again I don't see a massive issue here as teams will be pulling up at a ground playing a game and driving home. It's not like they'll be calling into local establishments after the game. Also after this weeks league games other than a the a very limited number of games at all ireland stages all games will be played within the same province restricting the travel further.

Then you have the argument of it devaluing the competition if players are missing. That is very unfortunate but surely something is better than nothing. Over the years due to recessions, wars etc loads of top players have been missing from counties but we never considered cancelling the games before. And if we cancel the games this year the chances are we might as well cancel them next year as the same circumstances will exist.

The other argument seems to be about the fact the gaa is amateur. This is true but there is still of jobs whether it be administrative, coaching, journalists etc that rely on these games to generate money. There's also the capital investment the gaa makes in projects across the country from the money made.

Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

The problem is that the club games were played when infection numbers were low. Now they are rising exponentially. Itís not the threat that teams can infect each other on the pitch itís the threat of an outbreak in a changing room/ training session. Itís very hard to practice social distancing and still prepare as needed for elite GAA football.

In the end itís about risk to players and more so their families. What about all the players who are in contact with relatives who are high risk groups, overweight/diabetic/heart disease? Are we asking them to choose between risking their loved ones lives and their sense of duty to their team mates and friends? My opinion is that if we only had one death caused by the championship going ahead itís far to high a price to pay.

Itís also unsettling that we seem to value a GAA championship more than the economy and the livelihood of tens of thousands of citizens. It seems illogical that we expect thousands of businesses to make big sacrifices but not expect the same of GAA fans.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: five points on October 20, 2020, 10:29:02 AM


The problem is that the club games were played when infection numbers were low. Now they are rising exponentially. Itís not the threat that teams can infect each other on the pitch itís the threat of an outbreak in a changing room/ training session. Itís very hard to practice social distancing and still prepare as needed for elite GAA football.

In the end itís about risk to players and more so their families. What about all the players who are in contact with relatives who are high risk groups, overweight/diabetic/heart disease? Are we asking them to choose between risking their loved ones lives and their sense of duty to their team mates and friends? My opinion is that if we only had one death caused by the championship going ahead itís far to high a price to pay.

Itís also unsettling that we seem to value a GAA championship more than the economy and the livelihood of tens of thousands of citizens. It seems illogical that we expect thousands of businesses to make big sacrifices but not expect the same of GAA fans.

There is no use of changing rooms this year.

Nobody has to play if they're uncomfortable doing so or if they fear they're putting a relative or anyone else at risk by playing.

People die because of football and hurling all the time. Mainly in road accidents. Should we just shut down shop permanently because of this?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 20, 2020, 10:29:56 AM
People are willing to trust the medical experts on going to level 5 so why not trust them that sport at this level is ok and provides other benefits. Some people just seem to want to cancel it because other things are being cancelled/stopped without any evidence that it will actually make any difference. Thousands of club games were played until recently and the only transmission identified was of the pitch at celebrations (always one club and not passed on to the club they played that day). At county level there will be even stricter protocols in place and boys wont be gathering in pubs after the match to reflect on that days games.

Some point out to the travel involved and games in hotspot areas. Again I don't see a massive issue here as teams will be pulling up at a ground playing a game and driving home. It's not like they'll be calling into local establishments after the game. Also after this weeks league games other than a the a very limited number of games at all ireland stages all games will be played within the same province restricting the travel further.

Then you have the argument of it devaluing the competition if players are missing. That is very unfortunate but surely something is better than nothing. Over the years due to recessions, wars etc loads of top players have been missing from counties but we never considered cancelling the games before. And if we cancel the games this year the chances are we might as well cancel them next year as the same circumstances will exist.

The other argument seems to be about the fact the gaa is amateur. This is true but there is still of jobs whether it be administrative, coaching, journalists etc that rely on these games to generate money. There's also the capital investment the gaa makes in projects across the country from the money made.

Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

The problem is that the club games were played when infection numbers were low. Now they are rising exponentially. Itís not the threat that teams can infect each other on the pitch itís the threat of an outbreak in a changing room/ training session. Itís very hard to practice social distancing and still prepare as needed for elite GAA football.

In the end itís about risk to players and more so their families. What about all the players who are in contact with relatives who are high risk groups, overweight/diabetic/heart disease? Are we asking them to choose between risking their loved ones lives and their sense of duty to their team mates and friends? My opinion is that if we only had one death caused by the championship going ahead itís far to high a price to pay.

Itís also unsettling that we seem to value a GAA championship more than the economy and the livelihood of tens of thousands of citizens. It seems illogical that we expect thousands of businesses to make big sacrifices but not expect the same of GAA fans.

But even when cases did rises and there were outbreaks linked to clubs it was only clubs that won something or got to a final and clearly game from post game activities as no other clubs had the same outbreaks. There certainly has to be some comfort taken from that.

I don't think anyone especially the government are valuing the gaa championship above the economy. If it was a straight choice it would be the ecomony every time. But it's not a straight choice and it's like comparing apples and oranges. The places that are being shut are nearly all indoor venues that attract large numbers of people together in a small indoor space. This is where the risk of passing on covid is at its highest. The medical people have obviously looked at sport and decided that behind closed doors in outdoor environments is a relatively safe activity and it will only involve relatively small numbers of people. Given this low risk and the benefits from it they government have decided it should go ahead.

Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: RedHand88 on October 20, 2020, 10:36:33 AM
If the GAA are using the Elite line they should be forced to put all 32 teams in hotels from this weekend until they are out of the tournament. 6 weeks for the finalists, pay all players wages for that period. Treat it like a world cup, squads of 30 named 10 of backroom teams no outsiders in or out of camp. But they wouldn't pay for that.

And i'm not anti GAA but believe that's only way to be both safe and fair.

One of the more ridiculous ideas I've heard. It wound bankrupt the association.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: APM on October 20, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
People are willing to trust the medical experts on going to level 5 so why not trust them that sport at this level is ok and provides other benefits. Some people just seem to want to cancel it because other things are being cancelled/stopped without any evidence that it will actually make any difference. Thousands of club games were played until recently and the only transmission identified was of the pitch at celebrations (always one club and not passed on to the club they played that day). At county level there will be even stricter protocols in place and boys wont be gathering in pubs after the match to reflect on that days games.

Some point out to the travel involved and games in hotspot areas. Again I don't see a massive issue here as teams will be pulling up at a ground playing a game and driving home. It's not like they'll be calling into local establishments after the game. Also after this weeks league games other than a the a very limited number of games at all ireland stages all games will be played within the same province restricting the travel further.

Then you have the argument of it devaluing the competition if players are missing. That is very unfortunate but surely something is better than nothing. Over the years due to recessions, wars etc loads of top players have been missing from counties but we never considered cancelling the games before. And if we cancel the games this year the chances are we might as well cancel them next year as the same circumstances will exist.

The other argument seems to be about the fact the gaa is amateur. This is true but there is still of jobs whether it be administrative, coaching, journalists etc that rely on these games to generate money. There's also the capital investment the gaa makes in projects across the country from the money made.

Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

The problem is that the club games were played when infection numbers were low. Now they are rising exponentially. Itís not the threat that teams can infect each other on the pitch itís the threat of an outbreak in a changing room/ training session. Itís very hard to practice social distancing and still prepare as needed for elite GAA football.

In the end itís about risk to players and more so their families. What about all the players who are in contact with relatives who are high risk groups, overweight/diabetic/heart disease? Are we asking them to choose between risking their loved ones lives and their sense of duty to their team mates and friends? My opinion is that if we only had one death caused by the championship going ahead itís far to high a price to pay.

Itís also unsettling that we seem to value a GAA championship more than the economy and the livelihood of tens of thousands of citizens. It seems illogical that we expect thousands of businesses to make big sacrifices but not expect the same of GAA fans.

But even when cases did rises and there were outbreaks linked to clubs it was only clubs that won something or got to a final and clearly game from post game activities as no other clubs had the same outbreaks. There certainly has to be some comfort taken from that.

I don't think anyone especially the government are valuing the gaa championship above the economy. If it was a straight choice it would be the ecomony every time. But it's not a straight choice and it's like comparing apples and oranges. The places that are being shut are nearly all indoor venues that attract large numbers of people together in a small indoor space. This is where the risk of passing on covid is at its highest. The medical people have obviously looked at sport and decided that behind closed doors in outdoor environments is a relatively safe activity and it will only involve relatively small numbers of people. Given this low risk and the benefits from it they government have decided it should go ahead.

Agree!
Personally, I would have drawn the line at senior men/women football, hurling and camogie.  That is about 3,500 players the first weekend of games.  The second weekend it is half that.  It'll be over soon enough and if it creates a bit of entertainment and interest for people between now and Christmas, it should go ahead. 

But on the other hand, if I thought for one second that it could result in Tyrone winning a handy all-Ireland, I would agree absolutely that it shouldn't go ahead.   ;D
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: tonto1888 on October 20, 2020, 10:52:22 AM
If the GAA are using the Elite line they should be forced to put all 32 teams in hotels from this weekend until they are out of the tournament. 6 weeks for the finalists, pay all players wages for that period. Treat it like a world cup, squads of 30 named 10 of backroom teams no outsiders in or out of camp. But they wouldn't pay for that.

And i'm not anti GAA but believe that's only way to be both safe and fair.

I'm fairly sure this isn't happening for the other elite games going on in the league of ireland or pro 14. Does this mean they aren't elite either?

I believe elite means that you are earning your living from that sport?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: five points on October 20, 2020, 10:57:03 AM
I believe elite means that you are earning your living from that sport?

Hardly. There are elite amateur sports.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: tonto1888 on October 20, 2020, 11:04:48 AM
I believe elite means that you are earning your living from that sport?

Hardly. There are elite amateur sports.

There is a bit more to it alright
For the purposes of this guidance the definition of an Ďelite athleteí means a person who is:

an individual who derives a living from competing in a sport
a senior representative nominated by a relevant sporting body
a member of the senior training squad for a relevant sporting body, or
aged 16 or above and on an elite development pathway.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Angelo on October 20, 2020, 11:17:01 AM
I would say yes.

Not out of public health concerns, I just believe it will be a sham of a Championship.

We are conceivably 3 months or so away from the start of the league so why not just go at it with a fresh season.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Rossfan on October 20, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Just had a discussion with a local barber.
He is fkn fuming that he has to shut down his livelihood while hundreds of "GAA players" can travel the length and breadth of the Country indulging in their pastime and most of them in "safe jobs" that they can continue to go into.
Tried to point out that his business would still be closed even if the GAA cancelled all games for the 6 weeks but he's not listening.
As far as he's concerned those hundreds of players are at more risk of catching/spreading it than him cutting a few locsl lads' hair every day.
I get the good for morale bit and NPHET say it's ok but my gut reaction is the Championships shouldn't happen.

 The chances of catching the virus outdoors is something like 22 times less. Players moving around at speed in an outdoor environment are a totally different scenario to a man being in close proximity to people indoors for 20-30 minutes.
And do all the players walk/cycle to the venue on their own?
Post match meal?
Cork football team travelling to Johnstown Hotel in Meath night before they play Longford.
How many hours will that bunch of 30-40 people spend together in enclosed settings?
Just to play a "dead rubber" game if amateur football.
I suppose the Provincial only nature of the football Championship will cut down on distance and need for group travel.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 20, 2020, 11:45:32 AM
Just had a discussion with a local barber.
He is fkn fuming that he has to shut down his livelihood while hundreds of "GAA players" can travel the length and breadth of the Country indulging in their pastime and most of them in "safe jobs" that they can continue to go into.
Tried to point out that his business would still be closed even if the GAA cancelled all games for the 6 weeks but he's not listening.
As far as he's concerned those hundreds of players are at more risk of catching/spreading it than him cutting a few locsl lads' hair every day.
I get the good for morale bit and NPHET say it's ok but my gut reaction is the Championships shouldn't happen.

 The chances of catching the virus outdoors is something like 22 times less. Players moving around at speed in an outdoor environment are a totally different scenario to a man being in close proximity to people indoors for 20-30 minutes.
And do all the players walk/cycle to the venue on their own?
Post match meal?
Cork football team travelling to Johnstown Hotel in Meath night before they play Longford.
How many hours will that bunch of 30-40 people spend together in enclosed settings?
Just to play a "dead rubber" game if amateur football.
I suppose the Provincial only nature of the football Championship will cut down on distance and need for group travel.

As you said yourself after this week travel will be a lot less and should lead to less complications. There is talk of Longford conceding that game so it won't be an issue. As far as I know the Tyrone players are making there way to and from Mayo on their own to avoid any issues. That's probably the safest way of doing it at the minute. Certainly precautions can be taken to avoid large indoor gatherings which are the biggest risk factor.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Main Street on October 20, 2020, 12:12:14 PM
There is a difference between citizens travelling randomly around the country visiting places/people and a sport squad who are subject to higher standards of testing/protection and can be trusted to travel from one place to another while adhering to strict travel protocol.
Means Dublin GAA get good benefit from their helicopter fleet.
 
after the  1/4 finals  there will only  be 16 teams involved and in no time it will be all over.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Baile BrigŪn 2 on October 20, 2020, 12:32:21 PM
Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

TBF, there aren't too many of those on here, most posters are diehard GAA people. I only posed the question to get a feel for what GAA people think about it

I agree with your general point though that it's only the GAA championship that's being discussed in the media rather than LoI (vast majority amateur) or pro 14 (vast majority professional but with an international element which must increase risk)

The vast majority of the LoI are not amateur. Union rules mean they all get paid. But they have 4 games left and were a model of how to manage it.

Ditto rugby. They are in bubbles and regultested in a way the GAA didn't deem worth it.

The reason the GAA is being discussed is the shambles of the last month.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Baile BrigŪn 2 on October 20, 2020, 12:39:46 PM
The championship could and should be run without crowds. You can eliminate the nonsense at the clubs. However its what happens after the games that as a community we need to cop on.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 20, 2020, 12:45:57 PM
Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

TBF, there aren't too many of those on here, most posters are diehard GAA people. I only posed the question to get a feel for what GAA people think about it

I agree with your general point though that it's only the GAA championship that's being discussed in the media rather than LoI (vast majority amateur) or pro 14 (vast majority professional but with an international element which must increase risk)

The vast majority of the LoI are not amateur. Union rules mean they all get paid. But they have 4 games left and were a model of how to manage it.

Ditto rugby. They are in bubbles and regultested in a way the GAA didn't deem worth it.

The reason the GAA is being discussed is the shambles of the last month.

They may get paid but the vast majority have jobs other than playing football
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Blowitupref on October 20, 2020, 01:31:15 PM
It's a no from me. To be honest I have little trust or confidence in this government but the national public health emergency team reckon its ok to play the GAA Championship in level 5 then that's good enough for me.

Has been little or no known spread of this virus from playing matches outdoors which I'm sure NPHET have taken into account. The most disappointing thing about the upcoming championship is no supporters allowed to attend and let's be honest it won't be the same without that roar and passion of supporters driving their team on.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: trileacman on October 20, 2020, 01:34:21 PM


The problem is that the club games were played when infection numbers were low. Now they are rising exponentially. Itís not the threat that teams can infect each other on the pitch itís the threat of an outbreak in a changing room/ training session. Itís very hard to practice social distancing and still prepare as needed for elite GAA football.

In the end itís about risk to players and more so their families. What about all the players who are in contact with relatives who are high risk groups, overweight/diabetic/heart disease? Are we asking them to choose between risking their loved ones lives and their sense of duty to their team mates and friends? My opinion is that if we only had one death caused by the championship going ahead itís far to high a price to pay.

Itís also unsettling that we seem to value a GAA championship more than the economy and the livelihood of tens of thousands of citizens. It seems illogical that we expect thousands of businesses to make big sacrifices but not expect the same of GAA fans.

There is no use of changing rooms this year.

Nobody has to play if they're uncomfortable doing so or if they fear they're putting a relative or anyone else at risk by playing.

People die because of football and hurling all the time. Mainly in road accidents. Should we just shut down shop permanently because of this?

A typical straw man argument. People wearing seatbelts die in road accidents all the time. Why should we bother wearing seatbelts if we can still die in road accidents?

Because itís a precaution that can lower fatality rates. Likewise no football championship is a precaution that can lower fatality rates.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: five points on October 20, 2020, 01:39:32 PM
A typical straw man argument. People wearing seatbelts die in road accidents all the time. Why should we bother wearing seatbelts if we can still die in road accidents?

Because itís a precaution that can lower fatality rates. Likewise no football championship is a precaution that can lower fatality rates.

This has nothing to do with seatbelts, which itself is the definition of a straw man. It's a fact of life that people die at or in incidents connected to matches and other major events. We don't ban all these events.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: dublin7 on October 20, 2020, 01:40:45 PM
No I don't think it should. LOI and the championship should both be cancelled. Rugby players are professionals who can stick to their own bubble for training, games etc.  but the GAA and LOI players are travelling all over the country training together and then going into work environments the next day.

Based on the Louth captain's interview a few days ago and what happened in the club championships it doesn't seem as though any meaningful testing is going on so it's difficult to have much faith in the GAA that they'll get this right

 
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 20, 2020, 01:43:42 PM


The problem is that the club games were played when infection numbers were low. Now they are rising exponentially. Itís not the threat that teams can infect each other on the pitch itís the threat of an outbreak in a changing room/ training session. Itís very hard to practice social distancing and still prepare as needed for elite GAA football.

In the end itís about risk to players and more so their families. What about all the players who are in contact with relatives who are high risk groups, overweight/diabetic/heart disease? Are we asking them to choose between risking their loved ones lives and their sense of duty to their team mates and friends? My opinion is that if we only had one death caused by the championship going ahead itís far to high a price to pay.

Itís also unsettling that we seem to value a GAA championship more than the economy and the livelihood of tens of thousands of citizens. It seems illogical that we expect thousands of businesses to make big sacrifices but not expect the same of GAA fans.

There is no use of changing rooms this year.

Nobody has to play if they're uncomfortable doing so or if they fear they're putting a relative or anyone else at risk by playing.

People die because of football and hurling all the time. Mainly in road accidents. Should we just shut down shop permanently because of this?

A typical straw man argument. People wearing seatbelts die in road accidents all the time. Why should we bother wearing seatbelts if we can still die in road accidents?

Because itís a precaution that can lower fatality rates. Likewise no football championship is a precaution that can lower fatality rates.

Yes but seatbelts and other things help limit the risk to an acceptable level (and accidents do still happen). In your example you wouldn't wear a seatbelt because you wouldn't get into a car as there is an element of risk to it.

 In terms of the gaa continuing there are a number of steps being taken to help limit the risk including no spectators to avoid gatherings at the ground, no team huddles, limited or no use of dressing room, protocols around travelling together etc. With all these things considered the public health authorities have deemed it acceptable and that the risk is being managed to an acceptable level. Surely they are the people to ask in terms of the risk and whether they think the activity is appropriate and as close to safe as you can get?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2020, 02:04:34 PM

Based on the Louth captain's interview a few days ago and what happened in the club championships it doesn't seem as though any meaningful testing is going on so it's difficult to have much faith in the GAA that they'll get this right

Based on the captain of a Louth team who probably are one group of players that had no desire to return to play. Relegation to Division 4 at the weekend and will likely have 1 championship game.

Rapid testing introduction is very useful however for those that don't already know and that includes the Louth captain it seems? This testing is to be requested than mandatory
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Baile BrigŪn 2 on October 20, 2020, 02:13:56 PM
Of course a lot of people want the games cancelled simply because it's the gaa and they don't like it. That's fine but I don't particularly care on their opinion as they will use any opportunity to get a dig at the gaa. The agenda is already an anti gaa one as no one is discussing the league of ireland or pro 14 who's players also live in the community. These people will completely ignore the huge joy the gaa games bring to many thousands of people. There'll be plenty of sick or lonely people at the minute who will find a bit of normality and hope from the gaa going ahead.

TBF, there aren't too many of those on here, most posters are diehard GAA people. I only posed the question to get a feel for what GAA people think about it

I agree with your general point though that it's only the GAA championship that's being discussed in the media rather than LoI (vast majority amateur) or pro 14 (vast majority professional but with an international element which must increase risk)

The vast majority of the LoI are not amateur. Union rules mean they all get paid. But they have 4 games left and were a model of how to manage it.

Ditto rugby. They are in bubbles and regultested in a way the GAA didn't deem worth it.

The reason the GAA is being discussed is the shambles of the last month.

They may get paid but the vast majority have jobs other than playing football

As an aside

I'm not sure the 'vast majority' are semi pro. There are 20 clubs. Shamrock Rovers x2, Cork, Dundalk, Waterford, Derry, Sligo and Pats are full time, Bohs and Shels a mix meaning only Harps are semi pro in the Premier. In the first Rovers are full time and UCD full time students. So of the 20 teams 9 are fully pro, 2 mixed and 9 not.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: seafoid on October 20, 2020, 03:00:04 PM
Public opinion will drive whether or not the all Ireland goes ahead. Maybe people need it.
If it is cancelled that will be the end of the 6 in a row. Every cloud has a silver lining.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 20, 2020, 03:00:40 PM
As an aside

I'm not sure the 'vast majority' are semi pro. There are 20 clubs. Shamrock Rovers x2, Cork, Dundalk, Waterford, Derry, Sligo and Pats are full time, Bohs and Shels a mix meaning only Harps are semi pro in the Premier. In the first Rovers are full time and UCD full time students. So of the 20 teams 9 are fully pro, 2 mixed and 9 not.

I didn't realise that there were that many fully pro clubs tbh.

The point is valid for LoI D1 though
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: dublin7 on October 20, 2020, 03:03:10 PM

Based on the Louth captain's interview a few days ago and what happened in the club championships it doesn't seem as though any meaningful testing is going on so it's difficult to have much faith in the GAA that they'll get this right

Based on the captain of a Louth team who probably are one group of players that had no desire to return to play. Relegation to Division 4 at the weekend and will likely have 1 championship game.

Rapid testing introduction is very useful however for those that don't already know and that includes the Louth captain it seems? This testing is to be requested than mandatory

24% of players don't want to play and another 24% are unhappy playing under the current system. That's almost 50% of the players not just the Louth captain/team uncomfortable playing at the moment.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: DuffleKing on October 20, 2020, 03:43:55 PM

The main problem we have surrounding both the management of the pandemic broadly and the issue of elite sport continuing specifically is that the vast majority of people commenting on both don't understand public health guidance or haven't even read it. The Louth captain is a perfect example. He's under the impression that "The GAA" would be landing down to wrap lads in a bubble? Given that whoever took his comments hadn't the wit to question what he was saying we can safely assume the lack of understanding out there is considerable.

The granting of "Elite status" affords the relevant units of the association the opportunity to meet all of the steps required by the status and to then continue playing and training safely. If anyone needs advice or help achieving that then they can ask the covid group in Croke Park - which some counties have done. If you still can't meet the obligations then you bow out and don't put the competitions at risk.

The attitude "If I can't do X then sports people shouldn't be able to do Y" is both selfish and short sighted. We have loons everywhere pontificating on issues they aren't even half informed on and social media amplifies the problem.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2020, 04:05:19 PM

Based on the Louth captain's interview a few days ago and what happened in the club championships it doesn't seem as though any meaningful testing is going on so it's difficult to have much faith in the GAA that they'll get this right

Based on the captain of a Louth team who probably are one group of players that had no desire to return to play. Relegation to Division 4 at the weekend and will likely have 1 championship game.

Rapid testing introduction is very useful however for those that don't already know and that includes the Louth captain it seems? This testing is to be requested than mandatory

24% of players don't want to play and another 24% are unhappy playing under the current system. That's almost 50% of the players not just the Louth captain/team uncomfortable playing at the moment.

Ask them again now that they got over a weekend of action, after NPHET have given the recommendation that GAA can continue and in the knowledge that rapid testing is available on request.

Louth aren't the only county with little interest on returning so 24% is no surprise. It's also worth noting 26% of the GAA inter-county players didn't vote in that survey.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Baile BrigŪn 2 on October 20, 2020, 04:46:35 PM
As an aside

I'm not sure the 'vast majority' are semi pro. There are 20 clubs. Shamrock Rovers x2, Cork, Dundalk, Waterford, Derry, Sligo and Pats are full time, Bohs and Shels a mix meaning only Harps are semi pro in the Premier. In the first Rovers are full time and UCD full time students. So of the 20 teams 9 are fully pro, 2 mixed and 9 not.

I didn't realise that there were that many fully pro clubs tbh.

The point is valid for LoI D1 though

Yes and no. Yes in most have jobs. No in they are regularly tested and following a strict protoco
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: armaghniac on October 20, 2020, 07:28:36 PM
I'm not sure the 'vast majority' are semi pro. There are 20 clubs. Shamrock Rovers x2, Cork, Dundalk, Waterford, Derry, Sligo and Pats are full time, Bohs and Shels a mix meaning only Harps are semi pro in the Premier. In the first Rovers are full time and UCD full time students. So of the 20 teams 9 are fully pro, 2 mixed and 9 not.

Full time students? it isn't as they are likely to mingle with others and get Covid.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Baile BrigŪn 2 on October 20, 2020, 07:34:11 PM
I'm not sure the 'vast majority' are semi pro. There are 20 clubs. Shamrock Rovers x2, Cork, Dundalk, Waterford, Derry, Sligo and Pats are full time, Bohs and Shels a mix meaning only Harps are semi pro in the Premier. In the first Rovers are full time and UCD full time students. So of the 20 teams 9 are fully pro, 2 mixed and 9 not.

Full time students? it isn't as they are likely to mingle with others and get Covid.
On a closed campus?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Hound on October 20, 2020, 10:10:39 PM

Based on the Louth captain's interview a few days ago and what happened in the club championships it doesn't seem as though any meaningful testing is going on so it's difficult to have much faith in the GAA that they'll get this right

Based on the captain of a Louth team who probably are one group of players that had no desire to return to play. Relegation to Division 4 at the weekend and will likely have 1 championship game.

Rapid testing introduction is very useful however for those that don't already know and that includes the Louth captain it seems? This testing is to be requested than mandatory
Why does it have to be requested?

Iím in favour of the championship taking place, but I had assumed that every player would need to undertake a mandatory Covid test to be allowed take the field. Every week.

If thatís not feasible, that would change my mind.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2020, 11:01:57 PM

Based on the Louth captain's interview a few days ago and what happened in the club championships it doesn't seem as though any meaningful testing is going on so it's difficult to have much faith in the GAA that they'll get this right

Based on the captain of a Louth team who probably are one group of players that had no desire to return to play. Relegation to Division 4 at the weekend and will likely have 1 championship game.

Rapid testing introduction is very useful however for those that don't already know and that includes the Louth captain it seems? This testing is to be requested than mandatory
Why does it have to be requested?

Iím in favour of the championship taking place, but I had assumed that every player would need to undertake a mandatory Covid test to be allowed take the field. Every week.

If thatís not feasible, that would change my mind.

That's the current testing system in place. A lot better than what club players had before their championship games. Some counties well may request it before each game?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: dublin7 on October 20, 2020, 11:06:08 PM

Based on the Louth captain's interview a few days ago and what happened in the club championships it doesn't seem as though any meaningful testing is going on so it's difficult to have much faith in the GAA that they'll get this right

Based on the captain of a Louth team who probably are one group of players that had no desire to return to play. Relegation to Division 4 at the weekend and will likely have 1 championship game.

Rapid testing introduction is very useful however for those that don't already know and that includes the Louth captain it seems? This testing is to be requested than mandatory
Why does it have to be requested?

Iím in favour of the championship taking place, but I had assumed that every player would need to undertake a mandatory Covid test to be allowed take the field. Every week.

If thatís not feasible, that would change my mind.

That's the current testing system in place. A lot better than what club players had before their championship games. Some counties well may request it before each game?

They shouldn't have to request it. It should be mandatory. Allowing people to travel/mingle with other people who don't realise they're infected is one the reasons cases are so high
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2020, 11:27:01 PM

Based on the Louth captain's interview a few days ago and what happened in the club championships it doesn't seem as though any meaningful testing is going on so it's difficult to have much faith in the GAA that they'll get this right

Based on the captain of a Louth team who probably are one group of players that had no desire to return to play. Relegation to Division 4 at the weekend and will likely have 1 championship game.

Rapid testing introduction is very useful however for those that don't already know and that includes the Louth captain it seems? This testing is to be requested than mandatory
Why does it have to be requested?

Iím in favour of the championship taking place, but I had assumed that every player would need to undertake a mandatory Covid test to be allowed take the field. Every week.

If thatís not feasible, that would change my mind.

That's the current testing system in place. A lot better than what club players had before their championship games. Some counties well may request it before each game?

They shouldn't have to request it. It should be mandatory. Allowing people to travel/mingle with other people who don't realise they're infected is one the reasons cases are so high
You'll have to ask those in charge why it isn't mandatory. Either way counties before their games should request it, better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: JoG2 on October 21, 2020, 12:05:53 AM
Tbh, I'd be on the side of shelving this year's championship. I love the game as much as the next person and appreciate the benefit of watching and looking forward to weekend  games etc. But having watched a close friend really struggle since March, and now a family member and another close friend being laid low (over a week sleeping 20+ hours a day, taste, smell gone and completely misearable. 1 is due out of their isolated bedroom on Thursday morning to rejoin their family and restart work as a self-employed builder yet can't walk the length of themselves). I appreciate this is Derry City and the numbers are very high. I just don't think it is worth it atm.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Hound on October 21, 2020, 07:31:18 AM
Tbh, I'd be on the side of shelving this year's championship. I love the game as much as the next person and appreciate the benefit of watching and looking forward to weekend  games etc. But having watched a close friend really struggle since March, and now a family member and another close friend being laid low (over a week sleeping 20+ hours a day, taste, smell gone and completely misearable. 1 is due out of their isolated bedroom on Thursday morning to rejoin their family and restart work as a self-employed builder yet can't walk the length of themselves). I appreciate this is Derry City and the numbers are very high. I just don't think it is worth it atm.
And some morons think itís like the flu, just because they donít have any friends or family who have suffered really badly with it.

Where weíre at,  both north and south, mandatory weekly testing (for all panel members, selectors, officials) would put both playersí minds at ease and playersí familiesí minds at ease. And it would significantly reduce the risk of the games spreading the virus.

There would be a furore if teams lose 4, 5 , 6 players who test positive. But it would be a good thing for them, their families and their teammates (and teammatesí families) to be able to identify them so they can isolate and not spread it further.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Baile BrigŪn 2 on October 21, 2020, 11:46:39 AM
Are we really suggesting that the GAA us incapable of a testing regieme for around 6 weeks where the FAI managed very well for 6 months?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 21, 2020, 11:51:23 AM
More information here about the testing for those interested.
https://www.the42.ie/gaa-covid-rapid-testing-5239579-Oct2020/?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: macdanger2 on October 21, 2020, 03:48:01 PM
Are we really suggesting that the GAA us incapable of a testing regieme for around 6 weeks where the FAI managed very well for 6 months?

What is the FAI's testing regime before/after matches?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: dublin7 on October 21, 2020, 04:25:59 PM
Are we really suggesting that the GAA us incapable of a testing regieme for around 6 weeks where the FAI managed very well for 6 months?

What is the FAI's testing regime before/after matches?

Players are all tested twice a week. Any player who tests positive is required to self isolate for 14 days. Some clubs allowed a small no of fans into the grounds for games. These fans were all required to complete a Covid questionnaire online before travelling to the ground.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Blowitupref on October 21, 2020, 04:42:34 PM
Are we really suggesting that the GAA us incapable of a testing regieme for around 6 weeks where the FAI managed very well for 6 months?

What is the FAI's testing regime before/after matches?

Players are all tested twice a week. Any player who tests positive is required to self isolate for 14 days. Some clubs allowed a small no of fans into the grounds for games. These fans were all required to complete a Covid questionnaire online before travelling to the ground.
Is it still 14 days to isolate, I thought I read somewhere it's 10 days now?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: JoG2 on October 21, 2020, 04:44:43 PM
Are we really suggesting that the GAA us incapable of a testing regieme for around 6 weeks where the FAI managed very well for 6 months?

What is the FAI's testing regime before/after matches?

Players are all tested twice a week. Any player who tests positive is required to self isolate for 14 days. Some clubs allowed a small no of fans into the grounds for games. These fans were all required to complete a Covid questionnaire online before travelling to the ground.
Is it still 14 days to isolate, I thought I read somewhere it's 10 days now?

If you test positive, it's 10 days from your symptons showing. If you're close contact with someone who has tested positive, it's 14 days from contact
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: An Watcher on October 21, 2020, 04:47:14 PM
If it was an open draw I'd have been all for it
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: APM on October 21, 2020, 06:13:33 PM
An Open Draw and fixtures like Antrim travelling to play Waterford in the first round?

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: An Watcher on October 21, 2020, 10:29:32 PM
Or the dubs travelling to ballybofey or Clones on a pissing wet Sunday rather than having wicklow in croker. Proper competition
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: larryin89 on October 21, 2020, 10:35:52 PM
Rossies have a case , some players now isolating
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Blowitupref on October 21, 2020, 10:44:37 PM
Rossies have a case , some players now isolating

Any county team that doesn't get at least 1 positive case over the next few weeks will be extremely lucky.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: dublin7 on October 22, 2020, 08:09:53 AM
Rossies have a case , some players now isolating

Offaly hurlers also have cases and might have to give Kildare a walkover at the weekend
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Hound on October 22, 2020, 09:51:41 PM
Rossies have a case , some players now isolating

Any county team that doesn't get at least 1 positive case over the next few weeks will be extremely lucky.
Either very lucky, or just wonít have tested!
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Saffrongael on October 22, 2020, 09:57:26 PM
Rossies have a case , some players now isolating

Any county team that doesn't get at least 1 positive case over the next few weeks will be extremely lucky.
Either very lucky, or just wonít have tested!

Or test & say f**k all
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: dublin7 on October 22, 2020, 10:23:05 PM
Offaly hurlers have given Kildare a walkover this weekend in the hurling after they confirmed they can't field a team due to Covid-19.

Paul Flynn and the GPA are demanding improved testing now as well. With cases at such a high rate who knows how many more players will be affected if/when they start a proper testing program
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: magpie seanie on October 22, 2020, 10:26:16 PM
Seems crazy that all the panel were deemed close contacts (Offaly). The guidelines, if followed, should ensure no one is a close contact.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Blowitupref on October 22, 2020, 10:41:39 PM
Seems crazy that all the panel were deemed close contacts (Offaly). The guidelines, if followed, should ensure no one is a close contact.

Yes it's a strange one, most players should be causal contacts.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: DuffleKing on October 22, 2020, 11:36:48 PM
Seems crazy that all the panel were deemed close contacts (Offaly). The guidelines, if followed, should ensure no one is a close contact.

Correct. Baffling
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: twohands!!! on October 22, 2020, 11:59:01 PM
Seems crazy that all the panel were deemed close contacts (Offaly). The guidelines, if followed, should ensure no one is a close contact.

Not all the panel were deemed close contacts.

Quote
The HSE has deemed almost every member of the Offaly panel as a Ďclose contactí of a player with Covid-19.

https://offaly.gaa.ie/2020/10/22/statement-offaly-hurlers-unable-to-fulfil-christy-ring-cup-fixture/

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1319390817426038786

Sounds like Offaly messed up in how they ran the training session, given that the HSE have done contact tracing for a number of county panels and this is the only county who seem to have an issue relating directly to how a training session was run.

Should be a warning to other counties.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Hound on October 23, 2020, 08:35:10 AM
Seems crazy that all the panel were deemed close contacts (Offaly). The guidelines, if followed, should ensure no one is a close contact.

Not all the panel were deemed close contacts.

Quote
The HSE has deemed almost every member of the Offaly panel as a Ďclose contactí of a player with Covid-19.

https://offaly.gaa.ie/2020/10/22/statement-offaly-hurlers-unable-to-fulfil-christy-ring-cup-fixture/

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1319390817426038786

Sounds like Offaly messed up in how they ran the training session, given that the HSE have done contact tracing for a number of county panels and this is the only county who seem to have an issue relating directly to how a training session was run.

Should be a warning to other counties.
From what I read it seems the only lads who weren't close contacts were the lads who missed training.

It's very odd. Either HSE have gone nuclear on what is a close contact as opposed to a casual contact - in which case there's no point in continuing the season.

Or (presumably more likely) Offaly fecked up in the way they ran the session (e.g. everyone was huddled together in a changing room for tactical discussions)
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 23, 2020, 12:05:03 PM
I'm afraid that it's becoming increasingly likely that the championships will have to be called off.
If a significant number of counties, say, 5 or 6 have players in isolation and have to pull out of games, the competitions will become meaningless and will have to be scrapped, like it or not.
I think that will be a great pity because, right now, only Tony Holohan can stop Mayo this year.  ;D
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Rossfan on October 23, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
Good to see you still have a sense of humour Lar ;D
I presume none of the Tyrone players come from those parts within the Derry/Strabane Council area.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Blowitupref on October 23, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Seems crazy that all the panel were deemed close contacts (Offaly). The guidelines, if followed, should ensure no one is a close contact.

Not all the panel were deemed close contacts.

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The HSE has deemed almost every member of the Offaly panel as a Ďclose contactí of a player with Covid-19.

https://offaly.gaa.ie/2020/10/22/statement-offaly-hurlers-unable-to-fulfil-christy-ring-cup-fixture/

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1319390817426038786

Sounds like Offaly messed up in how they ran the training session, given that the HSE have done contact tracing for a number of county panels and this is the only county who seem to have an issue relating directly to how a training session was run.

Should be a warning to other counties.
From what I read it seems the only lads who weren't close contacts were the lads who missed training.

It's very odd. Either HSE have gone nuclear on what is a close contact as opposed to a casual contact - in which case there's no point in continuing the season.

Or (presumably more likely) Offaly fecked up in the way they ran the session (e.g. everyone was huddled together in a changing room for tactical discussions)

They clearly messed up as training and playing matches is classed as casual contact not close.
Title: Re: Should the 2020 championship be cancelled?
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 23, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
No