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Title: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: TheGiantSquid on July 02, 2020, 08:07:33 PM
With the pandemic hopefully behind the nation which clubs does the forum see as been best suited to a shorter season? Will it suit the more physical sides like C/Ballacolla or R/E?
Good numbers reported around the county at club trainings, it should make for an interesting SHC
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: redsetanta on July 31, 2020, 10:00:59 AM
Good win for B/K last night albeit a little fortuitous with the goal near the end.

Any of you lads in O'Moore Park and how was it. Must have been like a ghost town with only 200 there in total.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on July 31, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
Enjoyed the streaming last night.
Well done to all involved; I'm not sure how financially viable the service will be in the long-term but I really appreciated getting to watch a championship match after such a difficult and uncertain few months.

Decent performance from two good teams I felt. Neither hit anywhere near their best form but that's to be expected.

Keyser mentioned in another thread that this condensed year might suit Camross and CB....I actually think the opposite. I think both RE and BK have quite settled teams whereas Camross and CB have had to blood a raft of young players over the last couple of years. BK are arguably the most-settled team with only the addition of Enda Parlon to the full-back line and Emmet Jones standing in for PJ Scully.
I hope Matthew Whelan's injury isn't too serious because he'd be a monumental loss to a team that I think might be the one to beat.

I'd strongly fancy RE tonight. Back between 06-14, they were incredible at timing their form to have their strongest players peaking at the right time. I expect the same this year and I think they'll have too much steel at the back and firepower up front for a CB side who may need a bit of time to click into gear.

I think Ballinakill will have too much nous for Rosenallis tomorrow but I think both will hold their own at senior level.

Castletown and Abbeyleix is a very tough game to call. I've gone back and forth on this a few times but I have a feeling Abbeyleix might just pull off a little bit of a shock.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on July 31, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
Would have liked to see how the last few minutes would have played out had that goal not dropped in. Camross had lost their grip a little but generally have a reputation for winning tight games although they have lost their last 2 cship games to late goals. Mark Dowling was the sharpest forward on view. Keenan still has a huge influence for them. I thought Andrew Collier did well also and Carroll was involved a lot. For Borris they got the win without being overly impressive. They need Whelan to have any chance of winning it out. Any word on his injury?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 31, 2020, 07:10:12 PM
Posted on the wrong thread initially.
I think that despite losing last night Camross will be quietly confident of timing things to come good for an all out assault on a semi final in 6 weeks. Realistically they can now train for a block with that end point. I donít think losing last night changes anything & it means they will most likely meet RE in a semi final. They seem to have developed some very useful contacts on the challenge match scene over the past number of years and Iíd expect to see a very finely tuned outfit in early September.

I donít know if Borris Kilcotton have a championship in them going on last night. Itís almost like they lapse off when things are going well rather than ruthlessly driving home. Like Speculative Effort mentioned, Iíd have fancied Camross before the fortuitous goal. Their half back line was very good on the ball last night and drove forward effectively, without perhaps covering behind them. Huge gaps existed in front of their full back line.

I donít think CLough Ballacolla will beat Rathdowney Errill tonight, but I think itís an ideal opportunity to blow out early at full tilt and get off to a good start performance wise. They have introduced a decent splattering of youth over the last few years and itís the way to go when things are starting to slip. Anything bar a bad beating here and they should be fine. There are enough wise heads here to know how big this game is for them, and there is enough time and latitude to recover from a defeat. They wonít get things all their own way in both games to follow, but should come through. Is Tom Delaney hurling?

Rathdowney Errill remain the team to beat. Outstanding talent and packed with leaders. Iíd expect a win tonight and comfortable victories to follow.

After that, I think Ballinakill will outwit Rosenallis. So much to admire in Rosenallis and a good sprinkling of hurlers, but I donít think they will have come up against anything to prepare them for the clever Ballinakill machine. Most teams have struggled with them over the past few years. Thereís still lots of hurling in them and Rosenallis may struggle for possession.

I think the final game is 100% 50-50 if that makes sense. Both have good hurlers and both have limitations on the fringes. Abbeyleix have the Indian sign over Castletown for the last 5 or 6 years and I think it may well continue in that vein. Will Reilly pick up Mullaney? If so, you could see both of them making an impact on the scoresheet, with Reilly in a position to do more damage. Could well be the difference.

This weekend;
Rathdowney Errill
Ballinakill
Abbeyleix

Semis
Rathdowney Errill v Camross
Borris Kilcotton v Clough Ballacolla

Final
RE v CB

Winner
RE
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on August 01, 2020, 11:04:22 AM
Good synopsis Keyser.
I wouldn't bet against you being right.

Just to mention the streaming again, it's a really great service. There were a couple of little glitches at times but that could well be my broadband. I thought the commentators were good again.

RE will be slightly happier with the draw last night as they were nowhere near their best. They were reliant on frees but a lot of them were hard-earned and followed good play. They'll be content enough with their performance at the back, especially with Eric Killeen to come back in. A couple of other niggely injuries to Kelly and Kavanagh will clear up in time and they'll feel they're in a strong position now.

The stop-start nature of the game was frustrating but I think those types of games tend to suit CB. They will probably feel aggrieved at some of the decisions but I can't think of too many the ref got blatantly wrong to be honest. He's consistently inconsistent which frustrates teams.
They probably played the better hurling for most of the game but ill-discipline and profligacy in front of goal remain issues. It is easy to see how Picky Maher and Lee Cleere's absences really blunted them in the semi-final last year.
Interesting change in goals too; encouraging debut for Cathal Dunne who is highly-regarded.

I thought when RE went ahead that the game might slip away; that has been the issue with CB a lot over the last few years. But to their credit, they rallied well and dominated the closing period. If they can maintain that level of consistency and tidy-up a few areas, they'll be a threat this year.

I'd be shocked if either team stumbled against Castletown or Abbeyleix. They both look strong in a lot of areas and both should improve as the championship progresses.

Looking at potential county players, I thought Diarmuid Conway was outstanding marking Ross King. He might still be a bit light but he looks a really fine prospect.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on August 01, 2020, 10:11:05 PM
I actually thought Borris Kilcotton were full value for their win Thursday night, neither team hurled brilliantly, with Borris Kilcotton dominating the first 20 minutes, Camross the first 15 min of the second half,
Once BK got to grips with Mark Dowling the Camross scores dried up, I think Borris Kilcotton will be quiet satisfied, digging out the win without hurling brilliantly & missing Scully
Whereas Camross have a bit more head scratching to do, stick or twist, revert once again to the old guard of Burke, Holmes etc or give the youth their chance.

Rathdowney Errill will be very happy to have avoided defeat, for the first time in a few years they have an unsettled team with new positions for a few, carrying injuries and prep not been great, where CB prob needed the win to get true belief back in themselves, they had a full hand to play with and shout themselves in the foot, Abbeyleix will fancy a craic

Ballinakill Rosenallis was a very poor standard for Senior hurling, Ballinakill again will be sick they didnít hold out, had some decent newcomers at the back but young guys up front found it difficult today, still if they can get Camross & BK into a battle ..., I just donít think they have the firepower, especially without Cha firing on full

Abbeyleix were impressive, but Castletown again poor, younger players were good & confident for Abbeyleix, may give the other two big guns a bit of trouble .
Nothing changes regarding the make up of the final 4,
But hard to call who tops group between RE & CB.

A good start hopefully with better to come
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on August 02, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
From watching a few games and seeing team line-ups and subs used I think Castletown look weakest at the moment. A few starters that struggle at this level and very little coming in off the bench. Anything can happen but morale will have taken a knock and they facing two probable 10+ losses before relegation game. The relegation probables on otherside now have score difference to fight for so every minute counts and this could sharpen their hurling whichever team does end up in the relegation game.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on August 29, 2020, 07:01:42 AM
Ill go for
Clough Ballacolla
Borris Kilcotton
Camross
Rathdowney Errill

With Abbeyleix and Ballinakill causing the most trouble
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 29, 2020, 06:47:53 PM
Poor poor stuff today. Not the fault of the victors.
Score line flattered Abbeyleix in the first one.
I think there are unfortunately more of these days ahead for Ballinakill.

There is genuine potential for Borris Kilcottonís 21 point margin to be topped tomorrow, particularly in the Rathdowney Errill game.

The gap between the two tiers is sadly widening. Abbeyleix probably best placed to close it a little, but not on todayís evidence.

I donít think todayís games will do much for generating a large TV audience tomorrow (or in Round 3).
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Downtheroad on August 29, 2020, 10:22:45 PM
Have to agree

I streamed the first game as I hoped Abbeyleix would make a game of it. Final margin barely reflected the gap between the teams. Any of the big 4 can win it but the gap is definitely widening.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on August 29, 2020, 10:44:22 PM
I really didn't think the gap was that large. It looks a chasm now with little change likely anytime soon.

Clough/Ballacolla have had two pretty-good performances but they've been wasteful at times and are prone to huge lapses in concentration. They're contenders but there are question marks for me. If they can find a way to win a championship; it might be their best yet.

Borris/Kilcotton had the game over within 5 mins. They looked fitter and stronger than 4 weeks ago. I've a feeling they are the best-conditioned team this year and they have 4 weeks now to fine-tune for a semi-final. They don't need to do any heavy training so injuries shouldn't be an issue.
I think they're the team to beat right now. They'll be hoping to avoid RE in a semi-final I reckon.

Don't see any surprises tomorrow. RE could put any score they want on Castletown. Rosenallis might be physically able to stick with Camross for a while but two 10+ deficits are very likely.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Helix. on August 30, 2020, 02:34:22 PM
Rosenallis giving Camross a good game so far!
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Behindthefence on August 30, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
Camross out. Superb performance from Rosenallis. Thoroughly deserved.  Camross couldn't handle their pace
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 30, 2020, 05:40:13 PM
Many things arenít as bad as I was saying! Stupidly decided to hold onto my money today . Well done Rosenallis. I did think they had a chance of staying with Camross, but couldnít imagine them winning. Sounds like some performance. Often said it here, what a club!
The other result, while hardly surprising, must be bordering on a record defeat?
CB have an incentive now to absolutely wallop Castletown too with Camross gone from the other side.

Itíll be down to a shootout between Ballinakill & Castletown to decide who is less worse!
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on August 30, 2020, 06:25:41 PM
Wow. My apologies to the good people of Rosenallis. Stunning performance and a thoroughly deserved win. So well-coached and they're only getting started at this level. This could well be a watershed moment rather than a once-off.
They'll trouble RE in the semi-final too.

Castletown would be mad to play that CB game. Concede now and focus on Ballinakill. Even a win does nothing for them.

Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Helix. on August 30, 2020, 06:33:18 PM
Wow. My apologies to the good people of Rosenallis. Stunning performance and a thoroughly deserved win. So well-coached and they're only getting started at this level. This could well be a watershed moment rather than a once-off.
They'll trouble RE in the semi-final too.

Castletown would be mad to play that CB game. Concede now and focus on Ballinakill. Even a win does nothing for them.


Great win for Rosenallis culmination of all hard work on their own at underage bearing fruit. Whether itís a once off remains to be seen. Abbeyleix beat Camross in championship few years back and never kicked on. Some kick in the arse for Camross. They can focus on their football exploits for the year now.
If Castletown concede theyíd be automatically relegated so unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on August 30, 2020, 06:48:01 PM
Is that a new rule?
Can't say I've ever heard it before.


Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Helix. on August 30, 2020, 07:51:33 PM
Is that a new rule?
Can't say I've ever heard it before.




Havenít seen it in writing but seen it has been done in Championship in Laois. Timahoe hurlers conceded one year in Intermediate and were automatically relegated. Almost certain Ballinakill 2nd team in Junior A and weíre relegated once conceded.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 30, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
I always thought you could concede once without being relegated. Twice and you were gone.
Eitherways I donít think a Senior club can entertain conceding to avoid a bad beating. If thatís the road you are going down youíd be better off conceding the relegation final too.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on August 30, 2020, 08:14:29 PM
I always thought you could concede once without being relegated. Twice and you were gone.
Eitherways I donít think a Senior club can entertain conceding to avoid a bad beating. If thatís the road you are going down youíd be better off conceding the relegation final too.

Absolutely. Stupid of me for mentioning it.

I think the difference between this win for Rosenallis and Abbeyleix a few years ago is that Rosenallis appear to be backing this up with some fine underage prospects. They're already a pretty young team and have arguably the best minor hurler in the county coming through for next year.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Helix. on August 30, 2020, 08:56:01 PM
I always thought you could concede once without being relegated. Twice and you were gone.
Eitherways I donít think a Senior club can entertain conceding to avoid a bad beating. If thatís the road you are going down youíd be better off conceding the relegation final too.

Absolutely. Stupid of me for mentioning it.

I think the difference between this win for Rosenallis and Abbeyleix a few years ago is that Rosenallis appear to be backing this up with some fine underage prospects. They're already a pretty young team and have arguably the best minor hurler in the county coming through for next year.
No worries. You could concede a game in the league and not get relegated. Concede 2 games and relegation is the case.
Regarding Rosenallis if they can sustain it along with senior football where a majority play both. Thatís whatíll determine long term in senior.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Downtheroad on August 30, 2020, 10:52:45 PM
Great result for Rosenallis this afternoon. Didn't  see it coming after the Ballinakill yesterday. Good for the championship as it has taken some of the predictability out of it.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: TheGiantSquid on August 31, 2020, 11:20:29 AM
Great result for Rosenalis, Camross just weren't able to live with their speed and physicality especially in the middle third. Outfought and out-thought on the line too.

Abbeyleix result flattered them, Ballacolla looked fit and have a very potent forward line. The same with Borris Kk who put Balinakill to the sword.

Castletown were absolutely dreadful, zero plan of attack. With Slieve Bloom going well in the Prem. Intermediate the conversion might swith to if they can get a dash of blue on the side of their jerseys for the next amalgamation and not the other way around.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: ottoman on September 01, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
Great result for Rosenalis, Camross just weren't able to live with their speed and physicality especially in the middle third. Outfought and out-thought on the line too.

Abbeyleix result flattered them, Ballacolla looked fit and have a very potent forward line. The same with Borris Kk who put Balinakill to the sword.

Castletown were absolutely dreadful, zero plan of attack. With Slieve Bloom going well in the Prem. Intermediate the conversion might swith to if they can get a dash of blue on the side of their jerseys for the next amalgamation and not the other way around.

What has happened to Castletown? I'm not expecting them to be the team of the 90/00's year in year out but how can they have gone this far for such hurling focused/committed parish.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 01, 2020, 01:12:01 PM
Castletown have put out a good few strong juvenile teams over the last few years so I would expect that they will improve considerably but it won't be quick. Like all clubs with a small catchment area, it is very challenging to rise to the level that Castletown were at when they were completely dominant. They have a handful of good hurlers but far too many that are not at the standard, or too young. Still, I can't see them being a force again unless they fully amalgamate with SB.

Rathdowney Errill hammered them last year too. 

Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: ottoman on September 01, 2020, 02:17:26 PM
Castletown have put out a good few strong juvenile teams over the last few years so I would expect that they will improve considerably but it won't be quick. Like all clubs with a small catchment area, it is very challenging to rise to the level that Castletown were at when they were completely dominant. They have a handful of good hurlers but far too many that are not at the standard, or too young. Still, I can't see them being a force again unless they fully amalgamate with SB.

Rathdowney Errill hammered them last year too.

I am no longer living at home so I would not be fully up to date on the juvenile scene but good to see that they are doing well at underage again. I was always a firm believer that Laois need 7/8 competitive senior clubs to complete consistently as Liam MacCarthy level. With R/E, Camross, B/K and C/B seemingly miles ahead of the pack, wouldn't it be great to have a strong Portloaise, Abbeyleix, Castletown and Haprs teams to throw in the mix.

On a plus side, great to see Rosenallis coming on. Sounds like there is been great work been done up there.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 01, 2020, 02:34:57 PM
Castletown have put out a good few strong juvenile teams over the last few years so I would expect that they will improve considerably but it won't be quick. Like all clubs with a small catchment area, it is very challenging to rise to the level that Castletown were at when they were completely dominant. They have a handful of good hurlers but far too many that are not at the standard, or too young. Still, I can't see them being a force again unless they fully amalgamate with SB.

Rathdowney Errill hammered them last year too.

I am no longer living at home so I would not be fully up to date on the juvenile scene but good to see that they are doing well at underage again. I was always a firm believer that Laois need 7/8 competitive senior clubs to complete consistently as Liam MacCarthy level. With R/E, Camross, B/K and C/B seemingly miles ahead of the pack, wouldn't it be great to have a strong Portloaise, Abbeyleix, Castletown and Haprs teams to throw in the mix.

On a plus side, great to see Rosenallis coming on. Sounds like there is been great work been done up there.

Yes, the Rosenallis story is very impressive. Whatever about beating Camross in their first year senior in many years, putting them out of the championship so emphatically and probably getting to the semis is a whole different achievement. Their underage structures also suggest they can push on. Nobody will take them lightly in the last four, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: ottoman on September 01, 2020, 04:01:18 PM
Castletown have put out a good few strong juvenile teams over the last few years so I would expect that they will improve considerably but it won't be quick. Like all clubs with a small catchment area, it is very challenging to rise to the level that Castletown were at when they were completely dominant. They have a handful of good hurlers but far too many that are not at the standard, or too young. Still, I can't see them being a force again unless they fully amalgamate with SB.

Rathdowney Errill hammered them last year too.

I am no longer living at home so I would not be fully up to date on the juvenile scene but good to see that they are doing well at underage again. I was always a firm believer that Laois need 7/8 competitive senior clubs to complete consistently as Liam MacCarthy level. With R/E, Camross, B/K and C/B seemingly miles ahead of the pack, wouldn't it be great to have a strong Portloaise, Abbeyleix, Castletown and Haprs teams to throw in the mix.

On a plus side, great to see Rosenallis coming on. Sounds like there is been great work been done up there.

Yes, the Rosenallis story is very impressive. Whatever about beating Camross in their first year senior in many years, putting them out of the championship so emphatically and probably getting to the semis is a whole different achievement. Their underage structures also suggest they can push on. Nobody will take them lightly in the last four, that's for sure.

Yes hopefully they can sustain it now at underage for the next few years and stay competitive at senior. I remember during the 80's and 90's Clough Ballacolla would have been a junior to intermediate main stay and now they are one of the powerhouses in Laois, successful and competitive at all grades over a number a years. No reason why Rosenallis cant follow a similar trend.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: burdizzo on September 01, 2020, 04:07:56 PM
Probably being a dual club will be a big hinderance in that regard. It's not so bad in a short year like this, but imagine playing week in week out over a whole season, league and championship. Hard to do.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 01, 2020, 05:15:51 PM
Probably being a dual club will be a big hinderance in that regard. It's not so bad in a short year like this, but imagine playing week in week out over a whole season, league and championship. Hard to do.

For sure. May damage them this year yet. Maybe they are planning to be the next Slaughtneil!
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on September 09, 2020, 03:12:15 PM
Huge result for Rosenallis the last day out, shows they are capable hurlers, but also reflects on a very poor Camross performance, and may have shown how things were not right in camp when no response or life was shown to Rosenallis start.
Rosenallis hurler to a smart system that suited them carrying out ball & everything Fitzpatrick touched on the day turned to gold, but Camross were shockingly poor.
Borris Kilcottons dismantling of Ballinakill May have broken Ballinakill enough to drop down, hard to come back from that.
Castletown have parted ways with their manager Martin Carey, with native Patrick Mullaney taking over, their doing a lot of work as a club on facilities and juvenile they will give it their all to survive at senior, I feel they may well improve and put in an improved performance this weekend & give them head to defeat Ballinakill in relegation

The top 3 all seem to be in good form, Rathdowney Errill yer to fully hit top gear but motoring nicely, Abbeyleix will be a step up again from the last day but theyíll have enough

Clough Ballacolla and particular Picky were flying it the last day, theyíll be trying to shoot a big score ( as will Rathdowney Errill) to get Rosenallis in the semi

Borris Kilcotton have a tricky outing Saturday, should have enough to get home ahead of Rosenallis, At the back and up front hard to see Rosenallis hitting 2-20 again, or maybe they are the coming team thatís not getting our credit yet

Camross
Borris Kilcotton
Clough Ballacolla
Rathdowney Errill

Relegation Castletown v Ballinakill
Semis Borris Kilcotton V Clough Ballacolla
          Rathdowney Errill v Rosenallis
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 12, 2020, 09:57:28 AM
Agree with all that Ogie.

I suspect Castletown will be more competitive under internal management and might make things awkward for a Clough/Ballacolla side who can be poor if not fully engaged.
Can't see anything other than a CB win but I don't think they'll even threaten RE's score difference superiority.
CB by 10.

Rosenallis are a breath of fresh air and I was delighted for them. They are only going to get stronger with a couple of really fine prospects at juvenile grade too. They exploited a Camross team who looked slow and a long way short of their physical best. BK are anything but slow. They have pace and power in crucial areas and I just can't see them being denied a third win from three.
BK by 7. The team to beat.

RE will beat Abbeyleix. Abbeyleix might be competitive but I don't think they are anywhere near the top teams. I thought they looked a little rudderless against CB the last time and a more ruthless team would have really hammered them.
RE will know that a win will see them into a semi-final against Rosenallis and will be guarded in knowing a loss will likely see them knocked-out.
I could be mad but I reckon RE will have this one over early.
RE by 18.

I do think Camross will beat Ballinakill. Mightn't be a classic but could be the closest game of the weekend. Ballinakill have brought through a couple of decent young players but they are still too reliant on too few.
I reckon Camross will be happy enough that their annus horribilis will be over this weekend.
Camross by 5.

Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 12, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
Fairly straightforward weekend ahead.


Clough/Ballacolla should put 12+ points on Castletown. There may well be some early resistance from the newly managed outfit, but they appear to be lacking in all areas (ability, confidence, leadership, fitness). You canít rectify all of that too easily.

Borris Kilcotton will certainly see off Rosenallis, but I think this could be the closest of the 3 obvious ones. Rosenallis have the youth, fitness and spirit to hang in there. BKís ability to score from long distance may ultimately see them post a 7 or 8 point victory.

Camross will beat Ballžnakill. I donít think Ballinakill will approach this as if they can win, and it will be a single digit score line. Ballinakillís eyes firmly fixed on two weeks time.

Rathdowney Errill can do whatever they want in the final game. They will be through to an Intermediate semi final at this stage, and so unlikely to expand their panel just yet. I donít think Abbeyleix will lie down as badly as Castletown did, but it should be 15 points +.

Portlaoise should have enough for Slieve Bloom, but it will be a close run affair.
I think Colt Shanahoe should beat Ballyfin. Hurling seems at a really low ebb down there. Really playing second fiddle for the last few years, and itís hard to see it changing. They are missing a few important players, but are heavily reliant on older guys outside of the few Connollys and Lyons.

Like Ballyfin, Clonaslee will probably lean towards prioritizing football given how the last few weekends have gone. Camross to prevail there. All eyes on this crew to keep an abject season alive.
The Harps will comfortably steam roll a Mountrath side who have been headed for the trap door for a long time. Like Offaly of a few years back, there is no obvious end point in site for this decline.

Clough Ballacolla and Borris Kilcotton to prevail in the Intermediate Group A. Scoring difference to come into this to see who joins Ballacolla in a semi final. Iíd fancy BK to post a bigger win against PRT than CB can against Mountmellick. It will be very tight! Good to see some drama.

Rathdowney Errill and a Trumera side who have received yet another last minute infusion to take them off life support to prevail in Intermediate Group B.
Family planning seems to be a specialty out there!
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on September 12, 2020, 03:20:52 PM
Are we not able to get a couple of decent knowledgeable hurling men to do a bit of commentating & bring a little bit of life, surely someone that can know names, describe set up, understand what teams are trying to do, & know the hurling clubs / scene ?? 🙄
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: SCFC on September 12, 2020, 06:34:00 PM
Are we not able to get a couple of decent knowledgeable hurling men to do a bit of commentating & bring a little bit of life, surely someone that can know names, describe set up, understand what teams are trying to do, & know the hurling clubs / scene ?? 🙄
Who's doing it Ogie? The quality on the football side is very mixed. Some good, some terrible.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: redsetanta on September 12, 2020, 07:55:37 PM
Rosenallis go marching on.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on September 12, 2020, 08:21:04 PM
Who was on commentry today? Christ it was woeful
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 13, 2020, 09:39:47 AM
Is there a reason Killian Whelan doesn't commentate on the hurling? I know he's a football man but having him commentate and supplement him with a couple of revently retired hurlers would make a world of difference.

Anyway, it's still a great service.

My apologies again to Rosenallis. I've fallen into the trap of underestimating them again.
They were excellent yesterday. They work so hard; they're so athletic but such compliments may actually detract from their technical ability. They may lack a little punch up front but they  make up for it with incredible technique in the tackle and massive composure on the ball. When BK reverted to a sweeper in the first half, John Maher was immense and his distribution just excellent. They have the option of going long and straight to O' Loughlin, Fitzpatrick or Keating but can also carry the ball through the lines so it makes them a difficult team to play against. If they go long, they're a nightmare because a few times, BK won possessuon cleanly but were turned over for scores. Their tackling is relentless but crucially, they don't concede needless fouls. It's an underappreciated skill.
And next year, they really will bring in a top-class forward who could help elevate them further. These are the real deal and I'd give them a chance the next day.

For BK, it was a poor performance from a team who couldn't get going at all. In reality, it matters little in terms of the overall plan as a semi-final against RE or CB both bring varied challenges and opportunities. I like most of their forwards individually but something wasn't right yesterday and I think they're carrying a forward who just isn't up to it. That happens with a lot of club teams but they have alternatives and I think we'll see a reshuffle for the next day.

They're still in this championship but I think they'll go in as underdogs the next day. Maybe they'll like that. I still believe there's something in them and we might see it in two weeks.

Didn't watch the first game but it went as many predicted. I thought there'd be more in Castletown but it was always going to be a struggle. CB, on paper, look to have a nice blend and they'll be very confident in a semi-final. I suspect they'll end up facing Rosenallis which would be a story in itself as their second team lost a Junior A final to Rosenallis a few years ago.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: The PRO on September 13, 2020, 10:35:39 AM
Is there a reason Killian Whelan doesn't commentate on the hurling? I know he's a football man but having him commentate and supplement him with a couple of revently retired hurlers would make a world of difference.

Anyway, it's still a great service.
Killian isn't doing the football games anymore either. You're right though, he would be excellent if available.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: clonadmad on September 13, 2020, 10:37:20 AM
Is there a reason Killian Whelan doesn't commentate on the hurling? I know he's a football man but having him commentate and supplement him with a couple of revently retired hurlers would make a world of difference.

Anyway, it's still a great service.

My apologies again to Rosenallis. I've fallen into the trap of underestimating them again.
They were excellent yesterday. They work so hard; they're so athletic but such compliments may actually detract from their technical ability. They may lack a little punch up front but they  make up for it with incredible technique in the tackle and massive composure on the ball. When BK reverted to a sweeper in the first half, John Maher was immense and his distribution just excellent. They have the option of going long and straight to O' Loughlin, Fitzpatrick or Keating but can also carry the ball through the lines so it makes them a difficult team to play against. If they go long, they're a nightmare because a few times, BK won possessuon cleanly but were turned over for scores. Their tackling is relentless but crucially, they don't concede needless fouls. It's an underappreciated skill.
And next year, they really will bring in a top-class forward who could help elevate them further. These are the real deal and I'd give them a chance the next day.

For BK, it was a poor performance from a team who couldn't get going at all. In reality, it matters little in terms of the overall plan as a semi-final against RE or CB both bring varied challenges and opportunities. I like most of their forwards individually but something wasn't right yesterday and I think they're carrying a forward who just isn't up to it. That happens with a lot of club teams but they have alternatives and I think we'll see a reshuffle for the next day.

They're still in this championship but I think they'll go in as underdogs the next day. Maybe they'll like that. I still believe there's something in them and we might see it in two weeks.

Didn't watch the first game but it went as many predicted. I thought there'd be more in Castletown but it was always going to be a struggle. CB, on paper, look to have a nice blend and they'll be very confident in a semi-final. I suspect they'll end up facing Rosenallis which would be a story in itself as their second team lost a Junior A final to Rosenallis a few years ago.

Who is the top class forward that Rosenallis are bringing in next year?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 13, 2020, 10:52:02 AM
David Dooley.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 13, 2020, 11:51:19 AM
Fair play Rosenallis (again). There is still the possibility of tough days ahead trying to firmly establish as a top half of the top tier team. It is only a few weeks since Ballinakill controlled them well for 50 odd minutes. Not trying to detract at all. And in fairness itís rare to see an emerging team put two big performances back to back in such a composed manner.
But hard to see them being anything but a senior team for the foreseeable.
Great to see.

The commentary situation is a bit farcical. I actually think Carter does a good job and is far superior to Killian Whelan. Whelan was very poor at spotting who was who in Round 1 of the hurling, and some of his musings on tackles/cards etc was way off.
The co- commentary situation yesterday was a joke.
And it was advertised in advance, so itís not like he was a last minute replacement when they were stuck. His sole job seemed to be to point out who was on the county panel and how much of a stalwart they were. Donít get me wrong, if I was asked to co-commentate on a SFC game Iíd struggle to offer much. But then again....Iíd have the awareness to decline the offer!

One other point. I canít for the life of me see the benefit that the reversion to group stages has brought.
For the likes of RE, CB & BK most games are a procession.
For the likes of AB, BL & CT most games are a hammering.
I think the previous structure was excellent. You had one game ahead of you to prepare for, not the prospects of facing the likes of CB & RE in succession.
The draws and permutations in themselves brought great excitement.
I donít understand why the change was made, or who it has benefitted. It certainly hasnít improved the standards in the earlier rounds in any way.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on September 13, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Who was the co commentator?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 13, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
Who was the co commentator?

Pat Oí Sullivan
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 14, 2020, 12:35:38 PM
Both matches yesterday went to script; RE had far too much for Abbeyleix and though Ballinakill were better, I always felt Camross had the match under reasonable control.

RE vs BK has the makings of a cracking semi-final.
Mark Kavanagh would be a huge loss if his injury is as bad as feared.
I've fancied BK all year but I'm wavering. If Kavanagh is out; it evens it up but if he's fit I think RE might just edge it.  I can see myself changing my mind on this a lot over the next couple of weeks.
Whoever comes through this game will be really galvanised and should start the final as favourites for me.

I've been stung by Rosenallis twice but I reckon third time will be the charm...I think CB will win the semi-final albeit after a battle. I expect it to be close but CB are forewarned and if they have their homework done and their focus/attitude is right, I think they'll make the final. They have improved a lot since 2018 and seem to have injuries clearing up at the right time. They'll really fancy their chances now.

For the relegation match, Ballinakill will be likely favourites and they should have enough. Relegation Finals are horrible games to play in and anything can happen; I think Castletown will deliver a performance but I don't know where their scores will come from.


Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 14, 2020, 01:34:55 PM
Any news on his injury? Seemed to be holding his forearm?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: burdizzo on September 15, 2020, 08:23:13 PM
David Dooley.

There's some that fear he'll be lost to rugby.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on September 17, 2020, 11:06:48 AM
Any thoughts on the County resuming training?
Big crowd back last night for training,
I do feel itís very unfair to be trying to pull the players that are in semi finals into training before the club is complete.
& now I see Eddie getting the county final brought forward a week and on under lights ??
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: burdizzo on September 17, 2020, 04:53:46 PM
In fairness, they did lose three weekends last month, so it'd be hard to put out a competitive team if you were to wait until after the club was over when they'd only have - what? - three weeks together as a full squad? The other counties aren't going to leave off training just because we were in lockdown, are they?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on September 18, 2020, 08:00:33 AM
So the first night back training & next morning county final is brought forward a week and stuck under lights? ? Sounds like Eddie giving orders
There is no way the Senior Hurling County Final should be played under lights, if they want to bring it forward a week, play it on the Sunday at least.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Spiritof1915 on September 18, 2020, 08:47:31 AM
So the first night back training & next morning county final is brought forward a week and stuck under lights? ? Sounds like Eddie giving orders
There is no way the Senior Hurling County Final should be played under lights, if they want to bring it forward a week, play it on the Sunday at least.
What's wrong with playing a county final under lights. Should be a great occasion that any player would warm too.
In fairness to Brennan he's only looking for a level playing field to prepare the county hurlers. Even with that he ll be 2 weeks behind the Dubs in preparation
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: burdizzo on September 18, 2020, 10:35:18 AM
Exactly. Sure, they played all-Irelands under lights, why not county finals? Much worse is the fact the stands will be virtually empty.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 18, 2020, 10:54:49 AM
I think Eddie Brennan is bang out of line here.
 https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/09/18/laois-hurling-boss-brennan-hits-out-at-club-fixture-schedule-as-dublin-three-weeks-ahead-of-laois/

Firstly, itís not appropriate for an IC manager to conduct his business through the media like that in criticizing his own County Board. Especially in a situation where all they seemed to be doing was being fair to the clubs involved. Itís self serving.

Whatever about lights, at the very least clubs involved deserve 7 days from semi final to final.
Retrospectively the semi final pairings have turned out to be more important given the draw.

If they want to save a week, the least that should happen is moving the semi finals to Saturday & the final to Sunday. This gives an extra day, and in the case of soft tissue injuries this could be hugely important. No player deserves to miss out on starting a county final for their club due to interference like this.
Actually, given that heíll hardly have players from either club available to him on the day after a county final, perhaps it wasnít Eddieís interference that moved the game to Saturday?
It could have been the CB looking for a big night under lights promo.

I really donít agree with this.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on September 18, 2020, 12:33:41 PM
Was just about to come on to say exactly that, having a go on local media, unchallenged night I add, to have a go at Laois county board, & talking out of both sides of his mouth,
On off the ball & national media criticising Wexford & counties ramming in club games,
Then suggests a two week championship for us ??!!

I hope any players involved with their clubs in semi finals still are no where near county training until thatís over
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 18, 2020, 12:58:49 PM
A championship that has been played exclusively without floodlights should be concluded the same way.
I've no huge issue with bringing the final forward a week but 5pm on the Saturday or still better, the Sunday afternoon, are far better and fairer options.

I've sympathy for Eddie Brennan though I agree completely with Keyser and Ogie that he was out of order with how I expressed his frustration. Going to the media rather than directly to the County Board isn't a good look but is quite in-keeping with what we have seen from him. He has been an excellent manager for Laois but I think these are his last few weeks as the relationship with the board was poor before this; its irreparable now.
It is unfair that other counties have extra time to prepare. It is unfortunate that Laois was put into lockdown and lost those weekends. I get Eddie's disappointment and it's not his job to care about about our club championships but I fear he's trying to fight a fight he can't win.

I think a compromise should be found to allow clubs prepare properly for the semi-finals and relegation final.
Thereafter, Eddie will have 6/8 Senior and Senior A teams fully available to him. Clubs should be allowed this full weekend to prepare and if there is a desperate need to get the county panel together, maybe a light technical/tactical session on Wednesday could probably be included.
My worry is that the communication between county and club was non-existent and this will lead to frustration and resentment. I think players will walk and I can't blame them or the clubs if compromises aren't offered. Training 3 times a week before a championship semi-final devalues a championship that is very important to those involved.

I have heard that Cha will be available. Has anyone else been invited back in?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 18, 2020, 02:02:16 PM
I hadnít realised there were problems between LCB & EB before this?
I disagree with Merman on the point of the club championship not being his concern. I think it should be. The reality is different in most counties I know.

As was said, he has done a really good job, but I have disagreed (from the start) with the degree to which he has maintained his media profile while in the job.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 18, 2020, 02:49:08 PM
I hadnít realised there were problems between LCB & EB before this?
I disagree with Merman on the point of the club championship not being his concern. I think it should be. The reality is different in most counties I know.

As was said, he has done a really good job, but I have disagreed (from the start) with the degree to which he has maintained his media profile while in the job.

I completely agree with you about his media profile.

A county manager should care about our senior championship, and this year of all years.
But Eddie has been unequivocal about his focus on improving our senior county team. He has been consistent in what he's demanded from his panelists and has got rid of those he felt couldn't make the various standard he demands.
Rightly or wrongly, he cares about preparing the top 30 hurlers in Laois. He cares about playing Dublin in Croke Park and he cares about protecting his own reputation and the chance to enhance it further by trying to improve on last year.

And I actually have no issue with that.
My preference for inter-county manager is generally an internal manager supplemented with the very best coaches we can attract.
I think that guarantees you the right blend of heart, enthusiasm and professionalism.

Failing that, a young ambitious and ruthless outside manager who cares primarily for his own career is a fine alternative. I expect Eddie to step away soon (I hope I'm wrong) but he is now a contender for big jobs in Kilkenny off the back of his success last year. He'll have an eye on succeeding Cody or Shefflin.
If we go outside again, I'd be looking at someone else coming in for 2/3 years determined to take a scalp, move us slightly up the ladder and create a name for himself. Journeymen will get us nowhere because they won't challenge the players or the county board.

Anyway, apologies for going off-topic.
I hope the clubs are afforded the chance to prepare properly for the semi-finals. It's been a poor championship in all honesty and we could do with a couple of decent games to close it out.

Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Spiritof1915 on September 18, 2020, 03:44:56 PM
I think it's fair to say Brennan will be gone at the end of the current campaign. He's been fighting against the CB since his tenure started.

Apparently he had a major falling out with CB last spring pre covid about getting players food after training. It's a shame for all concerned. Decorated, young ambitious managers are hard to find.

As regards the fixture scheduling I feel the fixtures could of been twigged considering the year thats in it. Having the hurling fixtures every 2nd week especially after local lockdown is unfair for any county manager with a October finish. Surely the group stages could of been ran off sooner leaving more time for the semis and final.
Personal opinion is the best answer all round would of been to have no IC championship this year. Let every county board take their time and run their club championships without time constraints. I think Brennan has been quoted saying something similar.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on September 18, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
Eddie loves Eddie,  doubt he will get Kilkenny job after the U21ís.  They donít rate the Joe McDonagh down there.   LCB were upfront in the way they planned the club calendar,  Eddie started dictating through the press, Iíd say Ned Quinn In Kilkenny ďwould love thatĒ !
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: marty34 on September 18, 2020, 08:45:42 PM
Eddie loves Eddie,  doubt he will get Kilkenny job after the U21ís.  They donít rate the Joe McDonagh down there.   LCB were upfront in the way they planned the club calendar,  Eddie started dictating through the press, Iíd say Ned Quinn In Kilkenny ďwould love thatĒ !

Is Eddie still doing a lot of media work?

I'd say his win against Dublin last year evens up his U21 loss with Kilkenny a few years ago.

I think also e's not 'modest' enough to be KK manager if he's always in the media...if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 18, 2020, 10:03:22 PM
Eddie is no different from any good manager in fighting with the LCB. Itís not as if they are superstars and more often than not they have no interest in whatís best for Laois hurling.

The only managers who didnt fight with the county board are the journeymen clowns who should never have been in the job in the first place.

I agree with Mermanís assessment of Eddie. An ambitious capable manager that wants to enhance his reputation through bringing Laois forward. Grand. Letís get behind him. A hammering off Dublin because we have no training done wonít be good for anyone.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on September 18, 2020, 10:35:06 PM
Eddie wants all county panelistís to go in & train with the county three times in the coming week, including the players from the six clubs hurling next weekend, & is putting pressure on the players to be there.
Is that fair?? Time for Clubs to say no & Counth Board to say no.

Mike Quirke does not require any footballers still involved the week before their club game.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: burdizzo on September 19, 2020, 10:45:34 AM
I was under the impression the football championship was being 'parked' until after the inter-county?

I agree w/ blueandwhite1. Of course the club championship is important, but we are unfortunately in exceptional circumstances and some sort of accommodation is needed. Lads calling for clubs to pull their players are as short-sighted as they come. Do we want to see Laois hurling doing well on a bigger stage, or not?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 22, 2020, 11:20:44 AM
Any news on Mark Kavanagh? Or any other injury concerns for the 3 games this weekend?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 22, 2020, 01:05:28 PM
I think Kavanagh is out for the semi-final with only a small chance of being available for a final.
Hopefully will be available for the Dublin game if things heal properly and he doesn't require surgery.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 22, 2020, 01:24:23 PM
I think thatís huge. BK have the defenders to assign and one less major match up will be a big boost. Laois semi finals & finals regularly come down to a battle of free takers too.
Is Roddy as accomplished as PJ in that department? Iíd be inclined to say no.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on September 22, 2020, 11:21:59 PM
Rosenallis have the sticky defenders and legs to frustrate Clough Ballacolla's danger men. If they can avoid a shootout I think they will do it. Verdict Rosenallis by less than 3

If Kavanagh is out that is a colossal blow for RE. He has been flying it in last two games. Neither team impressed v the stronger teams in groups. RE lucky to draw with CB. BK very lucky to beat Camross. Lost to Rosenallis. Either team could kick start their year here with a big performance. Still think RE will sneak it however. 
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 23, 2020, 12:34:47 PM
Rosenallis have the sticky defenders and legs to frustrate Clough Ballacolla's danger men. If they can avoid a shootout I think they will do it. Verdict Rosenallis by less than 3

If Kavanagh is out that is a colossal blow for RE. He has been flying it in last two games. Neither team impressed v the stronger teams in groups. RE lucky to draw with CB. BK very lucky to beat Camross. Lost to Rosenallis. Either team could kick start their year here with a big performance. Still think RE will sneak it however.

I'll go against you.

I have a sneaky feeling Rosenallis have one more kick in them and I agree that the Clough/Ballacolla forwards won't relish the close attention they will receive but surely CB are forewarned now. It is worth mentioning that BK didn't have to win the last day and without diluting Rosenallis' achievement, it is a different challenge to knock one of the big teams out completely.
I don't see a huge score in Rosenallis against a decent CB defence. If there is a low free count for Rosenallis, I can't see them scoring enough from play. They are excellent in defence and this time last year, BK really frustrated the CB forwards and that won the game. The return of Picky, though, has been a massive boost and I think CB will just about have enough.
CB by 5.

I've had a feeling all year that BK might be the team to beat.
The Ballinakill game aside, they haven't really hit their stride but I expect a big performance on Sunday. Their forwards can be a bit hot and cold but I think they'll be determined to right a few wrongs after a quite insipid performance against RE last year. RE have been the bench-mark over the last decade or so and won't relinquish their crown easily but as Keyser said, the loss of Kavanagh is huge. He's a class act and a threat from play and placed balls whilst also having a great attitude towards hard work. I think his loss could be telling and I'm going to back BK but it'll be very tight and I wouldn't rule out extra time or penalties!
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 23, 2020, 03:39:17 PM
Clough-Ballacolla to beat Rosenallis by 7.

Borris-Kilcotton to beat Rathdowney-Errill by 2.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 25, 2020, 02:56:54 PM
Still unsure about tonightís game.
They are generally well matched, but Castletown may have a better spread of hurlers with potential. Potential being the key word. Albeit they have been very poor to date this year, both tactically and in their general determination/application.
They would have been considered a young team 2-3 years ago. Time flies and they donít seem to have improved at all.
Ballinakill are the other end of the spectrum and certainly look mentally stronger and more capable of dealing with how poorly their season has gone.
Iím edging towards Ballinakill, their scoring average & range of scorers has been far greater.
Ballinakill by 4.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 26, 2020, 12:29:15 PM
Good win for Castletown. Sounded like a reasonably entertaining game too.

Not SHC I know, but some good games in store today.

Portlaoise v Camross
The obvious answer is Portlaoise...but... Camross will rattle this big time. The seniors gone will have afforded them the opportunity to prepare fully for this one. Itís actually rare enough that a second team gets the space and preference to do that. They have of course lost a few and that will certainly limit them a little. Literred with clever former seniors and backed up by guys who have hurled Senior quite a bit at league and Palmer Cup level over the last year or two.
Cleverness on the field and on the line here. One of the most underrated coaches in Laois in charge. And I think they will take this.
Presuming Healy wonít be there, and even with the influence of Tommy Fitz and Oí Mahoney, I think Camrossí defence could well hold out.
Mossey Burke v Ciaran McEvoy could be crucial. Neither will stay in their position and are both likely to hurl a lot of loose ball. Where Taylor plays & how fit he is could be deciding factor in this one.
Difficult one to call, if Taylor doesnít hurl outfield Iíd go with Camross by 4.

The Harps v Slieve Bloom
 The Harps should have too much here, and I canít see them being caught. Fantastic year for Slieve Bloom, but they are operating with less quality and a smaller panel.
Key thing for The Harps is not to overcomplicate things.
Watching them over the past few years and I think perhaps management could be guilty of trying to outwit oppositions tactically and losing the focus of their own strengths- they are man for man well ahead of all other teams at this level. There is a place for tactical innovation and a place for simplifying things: this is the latter.
Unlike Healy, I am told that Ben Conroy will figure, but I donít think that will be enough.
The Harps by 8

Colt Shanahoe to beat a dogged Mountrath.

In the intermediate Iíd go for Clough Ballacolla & Rathdowney Errill.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 26, 2020, 02:50:14 PM
Can somebody phone Jack Nolan before tomorrowís game please. This is very difficult to listen to!
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on September 26, 2020, 08:33:35 PM
Can somebody phone Jack Nolan before tomorrowís game please. This is very difficult to listen to!

Give them a chance. Everyone has to start somewhere. I enjoy Carter. He is enthusiastic and generally quite well informed. Cant be easy talking for over an hour without making a few mistakes.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 26, 2020, 09:32:53 PM
I too enjoy Carter! He understands whats happening in front of him.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 27, 2020, 10:42:28 AM
I havenít been too successful with the predictions, but I might as well stay going!

Rathdowney Errill v Borris Kilcotton
The battle of the two successful amalgamations generally guarantees high scoring and highly skilled affairs. As much as their attacks impress, I think both defences are particularly strong. Both managements are blessed with options when it comes to assigning match ups. I think thatís where teams struggle against RE in particular. They simply run out of suitable options to pick guys up.
Stevie Finan (King) Jim Fitz (McCane) Stephen Phelan (Ryan), Paddy Whelan (Thep??) are capable of holding firm enough. Kilbane is also very much an option here.  Will they detail guys or hold their positions?
Matthew will have to break even with Shane Dollard, no easy task.
At the other end I think RE will hurl their positions.
But Keane, Delaney, Corrigan and Purcell are again perfect for tracking good hurlers. Killeen will fancy his chances of breaking even with Aaron Dunphy. Will Kelly hurl midfield?

I had been swaying towards BK. I do think Scully is a better free taker than King. But, Iíd question the work rate of at least two of the BK forwards. I think Rosenallis showed this up big time.
Very hesitantly, BK by 3/4 points.


Clough Ballacolla v Rosenallis
As was pointed out during the week in the local media, Clough Ballacolla havenít slipped up against a team from outside the Big 4 in a long time. Possibly the 2008 semi final v Portlaoise (who were then very much amongst the top 3/4).
They play a very tactical game over the last 2 or 3 years, and seem to have really fine tuned it this year. It creates huge space up front and their movement into and around this space is very very impressive. Aidan Corby is a big player in this regard- picks up a lot of ball himself and is always an outlet for the 6 behind him. Carries very well, delivers great ball and generally pops up for a few scores from play himself.
Their forward options are very strong and it will be interesting to see if anyone gets called upon from the intermediate team to make an impact late on.
Rosenallis have been a breath of fresh air, but all insurgencies have their limitations . I do think itís relevant that they struggled more with Ballinakillís highly thought out approach more than the Camross and Borris Kilcottonís off the cuff style.
It will be interesting how they handle the retreat of the Clough Ballacolla half forwards out the field. They have Lennon and John Maher who have performed excellently in free roles, and Cosgrove and the C Fennellís donít get dragged out of position too easily. Particularly impressed with Conor Cosgroveís composure in this regard for a chap. However, I think this is different. CB retreat and come at you in waves, they donít tend to puck ball away to the free men left behind.
As much as youíd love to see Rosenallis in a county final, I think Clough Ballacolla will take this by as much as 7 or 8 points.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: redsetanta on September 28, 2020, 06:31:00 PM
Two big semi final wins.

Two well matched teams. The final could be a cracker.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: burdizzo on September 29, 2020, 08:37:00 AM
I take it the final's not under lights this weekend, after all?
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 29, 2020, 11:20:45 AM
Saturday week at 7pm I believe. Wonder will it be on tv? I think one of the local media outlets jumped the gun slightly and thought it was coming forward a week rather than just a day.
I'm not really sure why one of the two biggest games in our GAA calendar is being played on a Saturday evening rather than a Sunday afternoon.

Impressed with Clough/Ballacolla. I didn't really agree with the commentators who felt the score-line flattered them; they missed a couple of frees, hit a few wides and spurned at least 3 goal chances. I like Rosenallis and they've been a great story but I felt CB kept them at arms-length and apart from a 10 minute spell in the first half, looked a level above.
Picky Maher is getting all the plaudits but I thought Aidan Corby (well-called Keyser) was exceptional. He covered a serious amount of ground and gets on an awful lot of ball. I thought he was wasteful against RE but he has improved steadily since and provides a good foil for the more disciplined Willie Hyland beside him. Their defence has improved with the addition of Diarmuid Conway and Brian Corby. Both lads have speed and hurl with confidence and crucially, they hurl from the front. Their speed coupled with county panelists Cleere and Broderick mean that Darren Maher and Michael McEvoy are protected and provide a very physical spine. I thought Cathal Dunne was excellent in the goal and he has improved them very quickly. He might just be the heir apparent to Enda Rowland.
Up front, they have a nice mix of finishers and work-horses. Robbie Phelan hurls very deep but gets forward to good effect. They don't bring their other half-forwards as deep but they compete physically in that half line. Inside, John Dwyer started very well but I think we saw his limitations. No other team had a forward as capable as Stephen Bergin to call on and he'll push very hard to start the final. BK have shown they can shackle Picky and Willie Dunphy before; CB need both to fire, one wonít be enough.

I've had a good feeling about BK from the start. They are a complete hurling team and their forwards, midfielders and even a couple of their defenders can interchange and pop up in different positions with ease. They are relentless and their energy levels were really good on Sunday. They can hurt you in different ways because if you drop off them, they will score from range. If you push up on them; they will fire the ball into space and have the forwards to hurt you.
I thought Stephen Dunphy was really impressive and Paddy Whelan and Stephen Finan are excellent club-defenders.
I actually think five of their forwards are of inter-county standard and (Rosenallis aside) they look a little fitter and more athletic than the rest of the teams.
RE were severely blunted without Kavanagh and McCane. They have honest workers in the likes of Dollard, Darren King and Ryan but they didnít carry the same potency. BK were able to get their match-ups right and were able to create much more threat at the other end. RE have limitations after their first 15 and though I think theyíll win an Intermediate Championship, Iím not sure they have the depth to replace a couple of ageing players.


A week and a half out, I am still inclined to back BK. I think we know how they will perform and there are more question-marks around CB. The bookies have BK favourites and I think thatís fair.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: redsetanta on September 29, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
Good report there Merman.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: redsetanta on September 30, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
Just watched the highlights of the BK v RE game. PJ Scully was on fire. CAn anyone explain why PJ has struggled when playing for Laois because in the club scene he is one of the best.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: merman on September 30, 2020, 10:49:37 AM
Just watched the highlights of the BK v RE game. PJ Scully was on fire. CAn anyone explain why PJ has struggled when playing for Laois because in the club scene he is one of the best.

I think he might have suffered with playing with a sweeper. He is an exceptional forward but physicality can be an issue at inter-county level and when our forwards are outnumbered, it's often players like him who are squeezed out.

I'd love to see him back in though. He clearly has a lot to offer.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 30, 2020, 11:00:23 AM
I think the timing of his run for the first BK goal was exceptional. Looks really simple, but takes great awareness, composure and patience.
From about 5:35 in this video https://www.facebook.com/244913002295773/posts/3290438041076572/?vh=e&extid=LTDKiEHtazlBop0X&d=n

He held and held and only came forward at the last minute. As a result he gathered the ball about 20m from goal rather than what most players would do, coming forward earlier and gathering about 30m from goal.
One to show juveniles.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on October 06, 2020, 04:38:26 PM
Was listening to a Anthony Dalyís podcast driving to work this morning & a thought struck me.
Youíd have to really feel for the club officers and team managements of Portlaoise, The Harps, CB & BK. Nightmare stuff. There are fantastic people involved in all 4 clubs, it must be gutting!
The players will get peopleís sympathies (and rightly so!) but the reality these days is that they are fairly sheltered when it comes to big days like this. Huge thought, time & military level planning goes into it all, at much cost (both emotional & financial!). Some might think Iím exaggerating this, but I really donít think I am.
To have navigated everything thus far in a crazy year successfully, have everything ready to go for Sunday.....and then, bang!
And the first thing players and supporters will naturally do is look to the club officers & team management! No doubt many will be quick to retrospectively point out what should have been done & how! Particularly on whichever side ends up without Bob!
Volunteers are hard to get for both areas (and 99.9% involved are volunteers). Itís hard to comprehend the pressure some of them must be under these days (personally & in their full time profession) while dealing with this at the same time.
Youíd hope those at CB & National level in the full time employment of the GAA are pulling out all of the stops to assist.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on October 06, 2020, 11:01:56 PM
Canít play County Final on Saturday but the hurlers of The Harps, Portlaoise, Clough Ballacolla & Borris Kilcotton can go to Carlow tonight put on a Laois Jersey & hurl a practice game 🙃🤪🙃🤪
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: ottoman on October 07, 2020, 09:59:08 AM
Canít play County Final on Saturday but the hurlers of The Harps, Portlaoise, Clough Ballacolla & Borris Kilcotton can go to Carlow tonight put on a Laois Jersey & hurl a practice game 🙃🤪🙃🤪

I know but John Horan openly said the games are not the issue, its the scenes that have follow the recent county final wins where the problem lies. And unfortunately some counties also took the biscuit with their allowance of numbers into the ground, especially when most off these games are being televised or stream for all to see! I do agree though that if they were going to pull the plug it should have been for all, this just creates more club v county debate that is not needed now!!!
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: Ogie on October 07, 2020, 11:53:03 AM
I am as we all are here huge Gaa people, but the only reason the plug was pulled so early by the Gaa was to save more bad press to save the inter county season & the money it brings from tv rights 💰.

On another previous point, Keyzer, agree, Iíve watched PJ Scullys goal, brilliant goal, brilliant ball from Foyle, most would have knocked it over the bar,
I was watching one of the BK coaches who was outside the barrier telling Scully & Dunphy to keep deep, obviously something they have worked on, as do Ballacolla

Feel it would have been a good final.
Title: Re: Laois Club SHC 2020
Post by: ottoman on October 07, 2020, 01:55:09 PM
I am as we all are here huge Gaa people, but the only reason the plug was pulled so early by the Gaa was to save more bad press to save the inter county season & the money it brings from tv rights 💰.

On another previous point, Keyzer, agree, Iíve watched PJ Scullys goal, brilliant goal, brilliant ball from Foyle, most would have knocked it over the bar,
I was watching one of the BK coaches who was outside the barrier telling Scully & Dunphy to keep deep, obviously something they have worked on, as do Ballacolla

Feel it would have been a good final.


I agree, this was the point I was trying to make. Horan made it clear that the games weren't the issue which allows him to go ahead with the inter county scene. I do think something had to be done though as we have all seen some people were starting to take advantage of the allowances and it wasn't looking good for the GAA as a whole. I don't agree with his decision to go with inter county at the expense of the club, what happened to all in this together? What will the scenes be like if Mayo or Wexford win an All Ireland? 

Anyway enough on that. I was really looking forward to this county final. I felt the last few weren't hectic as a spectacle but I had a good feeling about this one! Thought BK would take it by 2/3 points in the end in a high scoring affair.