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Title: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on June 26, 2020, 07:32:45 PM
Munster SHC 1/4 final (Doubles up as Allianz Hurling League Div 1 final)

Limerick v Clare 

Munster SHC semi-finals

Cork v Waterford

Tipperary v Limerick/Clare

Leinster SHC 1/4 final

Laois v Dublin

Leinster SHC semi-finals

Galway v Wexford

Laois/Dublin v Kilkenny

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on June 27, 2020, 07:21:20 AM

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0626/1149765-2020-hurling-and-football-championships-finalised/

24/25 October
Allianz Football League Round 7
Munster SHC 1/4-final
Leinster SHC 1/4 final
Christy Ring and Nickey Rackard 1/4 finals
Joe McDonagh & Lory Meagher Round 1

31 October/ 1 November

Connacht SFC 1/4 finals
Munster SFC 1/4 finals
Leinster SFC Round 1
Ulster SFC preliminary round/1/4 finals
Munster SHC semi-finals
Leinster SHC semi-finals
Joe McDonagh & Lory Meagher Round 2
Christy Ring & Nickey Rackard semi-finals & relegation semi-finals

7/8 November

Connacht SFC semi-finals
Munster SFC semi-finals
Leinster SFC 1/4 finals
Ulster SFC 1/4 finals
All-Ireland SHC Qualifier Round 1 (2 games)
Joe McDonagh Round 3 (1 Game)
Christy Ring & Nickey Rackard Relegation finals
Lory Meagher Round 3

14/15 November 

Connacht SFC final
Leinster SFC semi-finals
Ulster SFC semi-final
Leinster SHC final
Munster SHC final
All-Ireland SHC Qualifier Round 2 (2 games)
Joe McDonagh Round 3 (1 game)
Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard & Lory Meagher finals

21/22 November

Leinster SFC final 
Joe McDonagh Round 4
All-Ireland SHC quarter-finals (2 games)
Munster SFC final
Ulster SFC final
Bord Gáis Energy All-Ireland U20 SHC final

28/29 November

All-Ireland SHC semi-final (Leinster champion v 1/4 final winner)
Joe McDonagh Round 5
All-Ireland SHC semi-final (Munster champions v 1/4 final winner)
All-Ireland MFC semi-finals
All-Ireland MHC semi-finals

5/6 December

All-Ireland SFC semi-final (Leinster champion v Ulster champion)
All-Ireland SFC semi-final (Connacht champion v Munster champion)
All-Ireland MFC final
All-Ireland MHC final

13 December
All-Ireland SHC final
Joe McDonagh final

19 December
All-Ireland SFC final

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on June 29, 2020, 04:40:24 PM
1/4 finals?

how this that worked out?

I presume two of the teams are the beaten provincial finalists, but how are the other two worked out?
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Eire90 on June 29, 2020, 07:40:07 PM
they should have done a 16 team knockout or even a super 8 type tournament with 6 teams getting byes  to the super 8 and 4 teams playing for two spots in the super 8
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on June 30, 2020, 07:32:43 AM
1/4 finals?

how this that worked out?

I presume two of the teams are the beaten provincial finalists, but how are the other two worked out?
2 qualifiers from the backdoor. Provincial.winners go to.semi..
I imagine.

I have gone to a lot of championship matches on August  and a lfew championship matches in November.  Championship is summer hurling. The hay saved.

Nobody saves hay in November because it rains too much and grass doesn't grow.

Would Tipp have the legs for intense mullocking 6 weekends in a row ?
 I think the bookies will struggle to price it this year.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on June 30, 2020, 12:43:50 PM
1/4 finals?

how this that worked out?

I presume two of the teams are the beaten provincial finalists, but how are the other two worked out?
2 qualifiers from the backdoor. Provincial.winners go to.semi..
I imagine.

I have gone to a lot of championship matches on August  and a lfew championship matches in November.  Championship is summer hurling. The hay saved.

Nobody saves hay in November because it rains too much and grass doesn't grow.

Would Tipp have the legs for intense mullocking 6 weekends in a row ?
 I think the bookies will struggle to price it this year.

Panels with depth required and you'd think the likes of Limerick are reasonably well equipped but you're still relying on keeping key players fit and well and there's a certain element of luck required there.



Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on June 30, 2020, 03:18:01 PM
1/4 finals?

how this that worked out?

I presume two of the teams are the beaten provincial finalists, but how are the other two worked out?
2 qualifiers from the backdoor. Provincial.winners go to.semi..
I imagine.

I have gone to a lot of championship matches on August  and a lfew championship matches in November.  Championship is summer hurling. The hay saved.

Nobody saves hay in November because it rains too much and grass doesn't grow.

Would Tipp have the legs for intense mullocking 6 weekends in a row ?
 I think the bookies will struggle to price it this year.

Panels with depth required and you'd think the likes of Limerick are reasonably well equipped but you're still relying on keeping key players fit and well and there's a certain element of luck required there.
Even more so this year.

Laois could do well.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on July 01, 2020, 05:22:36 PM
Odds 7/1

Tipperary 10/3.
Limerick 7/2.
Kilkenny 11/2.
Galway 6/1.

Oddschecker
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on July 29, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/shane-o-donnell-s-future-with-clare-uncertain-as-return-to-us-a-possibility-1.4315990

Clare hurler Shane O’Donnell has revealed he is uncertain about what his future holds beyond the completion of a PhD in autumn with one option being to return to the United States.

In what will go down as good news for Banner County supporters, gifted O’Donnell said he’s “leaning towards” remaining in Ireland and working here.

The 26-year-old, the star of Clare’s 2013 All-Ireland breakthrough when he struck 3-3 in the final replay defeat of Cork, spent six months at Harvard University in late 2018 and early 2019 on a prestigious Fulbright Scholarship.

The microbiology student is currently wrapping up a PhD in the area of gut bacteria and the hydrogen cycle within the gut at UCC and expects to be finished in October.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on September 03, 2020, 09:54:27 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/nicky-english-helter-skelter-hurling-of-1995-final-is-scary-to-look-back-on-1.4344975

Nicky English: Helter-skelter hurling of 1995 final is scary to look back on
Clare’s victory over Offaly is unrecognisable from the modern game in many aspects
about 4 hours ago
 

 
Clare 1-13 Offaly 2-8
After what had been a blistering summer, the weather ran out in early September and the All-Ireland hurling final was played in wet and windy conditions.
Clare led by Ger Loughnane, bestriding the championship like a revivalist preacher, were the story of the summer, winning a first Munster championship since 1932 after which everything else was a bonus.
The final against Offaly was edgy and low scoring. The champions had only really opened up that summer in blowing Kilkenny out of the Leinster final and their inability to close the deal after Johnny Pilkington’s goal put them three up, cost them in the end.
There was drama aplenty. Clare full back – and current manager – Brian Lohan finished the match playing with a torn hamstring and Eamonn Taaffe, not listed in the programme came in on 50 minutes for Stephen McNamara and scored the decisive goal in the 66th minute, pouncing when Anthony Daly’s free came back off the crossbar.
In commentary Ger Canning says before Daly strikes that Taaffe is to be substituted. Seconds later, he scores the goal and is immediately replaced.
Scores level, Clare’s nerve is steadier and a 65 by Daly, followed by a Jamesie O’Connor free, takes them to a first All-Ireland in 81 years.
 Clare’s Fergus Tuohy and Johnny Pilkington of Offaly in action during the 1995 All-Ireland hurling final. Photograph: Inpho
In a way it was scary looking back at this. In 1995, I was still playing and had another year before calling it a day but it doesn’t feel that long ago. The hurling though is almost unrecognisable.
Paul Earley said in relation to the Football Review Committee that one of the reasons why the game compares badly with hurling is that the ball isn’t contested nearly as much.
Looking back at this match, it’s clear that even in modern hurling the ball isn’t contested as much as it was back in the era of the 1990s.
It’s fair to make some allowances for the poor conditions on the day but there is nothing like the time and space that players have now or at least would create for themselves these days.
Clare and Offaly gave each other hardly any space. There was far more hooking and blocking, tight marking and ferocious contests for the ball – helter-skelter stuff. As a result there’s nowhere near as much considered striking of the ball unlike the current game where it’s almost like playing your own ball and seeing who ends up scoring the most.
One of the reasons why there’s so much hooking and blocking is that players are attempting shots from positions they shouldn’t have been. Today you’d scoop the ball away or hand-pass it whereas back then everyone’s just trying to get rid of the ball, preferably as far away as possible.
It’s no surprise that the two best players on view were Brian Lohan and Kevin Kinahan, the two full backs. With all the high ball coming down on the square their job was to win possession and clear.
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They got blocked on several occasions but in the modern game they wouldn’t be looking for an almighty clearance all the time: there’d be a hand-pass back to the goalkeeper or a short stick pass to a spare man.
Certainly a corner back wouldn’t have the modern comfort zone, allowing him to take a whizzed puck-out with his back to whatever was coming at him on his own 20-metre line.
Even the crowd in the stand in 1995 would have got a heart attack if that happened. People are conditioned to it now – even Brian Cody!
The ferocity of the contest was reflected in the number of hurleys broken. From the third minute when Offaly full forward Pat O’Connor lost his, I counted four in the first half alone.
PJ O’Connell would probably have got a red card these days for a head-high challenge on Brian Whelahan, with his hurley straying up around the helmet. There was no intent or malice there but anything around the head generally gets you your marching orders in the modern game.
From the throw-in differences are obvious. Instead of trying to get possession, players let fly at the ball just looking to move it on. The first six plays are attempts to hit the ball along the ground – something very few opt to do now.
Eventually, PJ O’Connell’s stroke goes to Daithí Regan whose point in the first minute bodes well for the scoring rate but that’s not how things turn out. Clare take 11 minutes to score their first against Offaly’s two.
 Martin Hanamy of Offaly tussles with Stephen McNamara of Clare during the 1995 All-Ireland final. Photograph: Lorraine O’Sullivan/Inpho
Regan’s delivery of ball from the ground was outstanding but these days people would look at what the reward was rather than simply seeing the glory of a well-hit ground ball.
It’s an exciting contest because neither team gets away from the other but the hurling’s not great. To be fair conditions were poor with rain falling but in general touch isn’t as good as the modern game and scoring a lot more laboured.
By half-time Offaly lead 1-6 to 0-7 – the late goal by Michael Duignan not something Davy Fitzgerald would remember fondly after what had been an excellent season for him.
The final score of 1-13 to 2-8 was the lowest since 1987 when Galway beat Kilkenny 1-12 to 0-9, also on a very wet day but that too represents the difference in hurling styles between the contemporary and back then.
The 1995 total of 30 points (including goals) compares with 54 from last year’s final. Clare’s winning tally of 16 (1-13) is 18 lower than Tipperary’s in 2019, 34 (3-25). Over the decade the 1990s had an average winning total in All-Ireland finals of 20.3 compared to 28.2 in the decade just gone.
The losing average from the 2010s (21.9) would be enough to beat the winning average from the 1990s.
In some ways the game isn’t as disciplined these days in the context of responsibility for marking another player. Play is looser and has evolved into more of a scoring fest, which is what we want.
Equipment is far better because it’s far more consistent, thanks to standardisation. The shape of the hurleys is different. They’re longer than they would be now and the head or the bas is about half the size, which means the sweet spot on a modern stick is bigger.
Speaking to hurlers of my generation, when they puck around with their sons, there’s way more control with the hurleys. Sliotars are arguably too light now but they are beautiful to play with.
Standardisation has been a great improvement. For instance, look at the number of sticks broken in the 1995 final: if you broke your hurley back then you’d be devastated and not convinced that you’d be able to hit the ball as well with the new one.
In 1995, the definition of a good puck-out is how far you can hit it with maybe some thought put into the trajectory – but no matter how high it ended up going in the end, the farther it went the better.
This in turn creates the aerial contests. The battle between Clare centre forward PJ O’Connell and Offaly centre back Hubert Rigney is like a microcosm of the different styles. It’s ferocious but entirely legitimate.
Their job is to contest the ball. PJ’s role is to get it past the centre back, breaking it through the defensive line. Nowadays there’d be a sweeper there to pick up any loose ball but 25 years ago, he’s creating a secondary contest for one of his inside forwards.
He wants the outcome of the contest to be the ball in behind his man whereas Hubert wants it back out in front of him – the centre back’s function hasn’t changed as much but it’s not the same.
Mistakes helped to swing the outcome but it was an autumn day, not summer, which made conditions more difficult. Clare dominated the second half but their inability to take scores nearly cost them in the end.
They’d just 0-7 scored by half-time and with nearly half an hour gone in the second half, their total was only up to 0-10. In other words they managed 1-3 in the last five minutes or so.
Leaving out goals, overall they’d just seven points from play and four of those came from Fergie Tuohy who had a memorable afternoon, leaving three for everyone else. Offaly had only 0-4 from play. That’s 0-11 altogether. The figures for the last three All-Irelands average 0-28 from play, again not including goals.
It was a characteristic of the Clare team to be able to win despite a patchy conversion rate – 16 wides in this match – which was to their credit and also reflective of a very powerful defence with Ollie Baker coming back in a defensive midfield role.
Offaly made their own mistakes. After Johnny Pilkington’s goal put them three points ahead, 2-7 to 0-10, they missed a succession of chances to go four up but never managed it. As a result they were vulnerable to Clare’s late burst.
I don’t really enjoy watching old matches. Knowing the score spoils the whole experience no matter how enjoyable the result is but this was an interesting snapshot of a time that looks a lot farther away than it feels.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on September 03, 2020, 11:08:45 AM
Funnily enough I was at a camogie game on Saturday and was talking to my old PE teacher who'd played football for St Galls back in the 80's when they were contesting the Ulster Final against Burren who went onto win the AI that year and someone had given him a DVD of the game.
He thought it was a terrible game, purely catch and kick with no discernible game plan and in his own words the modern game being far superior to what it was back then.

Hurling is probably no different with how you look at how the likes of Limerick play a possession based game that as Nicky says would have fans back then having heart palpitations..

 
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on September 03, 2020, 11:26:26 AM
Funnily enough I was at a camogie game on Saturday and was talking to my old PE teacher who'd played football for St Galls back in the 80's when they were contesting the Ulster Final against Burren who went onto win the AI that year and someone had given him a DVD of the game.
He thought it was a terrible game, purely catch and kick with no discernible game plan and in his own words the modern game being far superior to what it was back then.

Hurling is probably no different with how you look at how the likes of Limerick play a possession based game that as Nicky says would have fans back then having heart palpitations..
The possession game has been partly enabled by the evolution of the hurley itself - hurleys now have much larger bosses than in the 1990s, they're like what only goalkeepers used back then, but they're shorter and lighter

There was no such a thing as tactics in Gaelic football or hurling in the 1980s, you just drove the ball as far as you could

The most basic function of tactics is to have the ball, therefore hit and hope went out of fashion

Gaelic football has gained more as a sport from the evolution of tactics than hurling has, a furious tactic-less hurling match like Cork-Galway 1990 or Cork-Tipp 1991 was an incredible spectacle

Hurling has reached the point now where there are almost too many scores, 30 points is not uncommon now



Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on September 03, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
Funnily enough I was at a camogie game on Saturday and was talking to my old PE teacher who'd played football for St Galls back in the 80's when they were contesting the Ulster Final against Burren who went onto win the AI that year and someone had given him a DVD of the game.
He thought it was a terrible game, purely catch and kick with no discernible game plan and in his own words the modern game being far superior to what it was back then.

Hurling is probably no different with how you look at how the likes of Limerick play a possession based game that as Nicky says would have fans back then having heart palpitations..
The possession game has been partly enabled by the evolution of the hurley itself - hurleys now have much larger bosses than in the 1990s, they're like what only goalkeepers used back then, but they're shorter and lighter

There was no such a thing as tactics in Gaelic football or hurling in the 1980s, you just drove the ball as far as you could

The most basic function of tactics is to have the ball, therefore hit and hope went out of fashion

Gaelic football has gained more as a sport from the evolution of tactics than hurling has, a furious tactic-less hurling match like Cork-Galway 1990 or Cork-Tipp 1991 was an incredible spectacle

Hurling has reached the point now where there are almost too many scores, 30 points is not uncommon now

Nicky hits on this with this comment and I entirely agree;

Sliotars are arguably too light now but they are beautiful to play with.

Points are regularly scored from well inside your own half which wasn't the case back in the day with the cork core wrapped in cotton thread.

I'd like to see the PU centres deadened a bit to ensure there's more hurling if you like before in the scoring range.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 03, 2020, 12:15:19 PM
Very much all valid points. Plysically stronger/fitter players with larger bose hurls still hitting the same weighted ball as yesteryear. The question is how heavy would the ball have to be made to nulify this?? and do we now want the return of lower score games? As JC said it woul be nice to see more hurling before scoring.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 03, 2020, 11:31:12 PM
Very much all valid points. Plysically stronger/fitter players with larger bose hurls still hitting the same weighted ball as yesteryear. The question is how heavy would the ball have to be made to nulify this?? and do we now want the return of lower score games? As JC said it woul be nice to see more hurling before scoring.

Players and tactics would adopt to a heavier ball, lads are stronger and more skilful than before. Wouldn’t be long before someone says we need a heavier ball as they are scoring more!

Goal posts dimensions are the same and pitches same length. Bose size is within regulation, the problem with the ball it changed because materials to produce them changed.

It so happens that ball stays drier stronger than before, be been striking a ball for 40 years, i can’t remember it (unless sogging wet) being that much heavier
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on September 10, 2020, 08:49:57 AM
I was reading this article from last year recently. I wonder how tactics will develop to match conditions in November, assuming the championship goes ahead. Summer hurling is about accuracy , intensity and energy building confidence. Accuracy is likely to be lower post Halloween with the mud and the cold. Plus there probably won't be any crowds.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-battle-for-middle-ground-will-decide-who-stands-out-from-the-crowd-1.3841966

Dropping people into the middle third has been in the game for a number of years, especially with deep-lying wing forwards. But this is more than that. It’s more extreme now and more deliberate. What you’re looking at is whole half-forward lines and whole half-back lines plus an inside forward and his marker all following the dropping ball to get in around it when it breaks.
On Sunday, the message was simple – flood the middle third, win the ball by having a numerical advantage in the area of the field, work the ball in triangles from there. The idea then is to get the best player in the best launching position who can look up and play a killer ball into pockets of space in front of goal for the inside men.
Sounds simple but, in reality, a lot of precisely-executed skills have to be performed repeatedly for this to work. It’s not enough to be physically strong around the middle. You need to be quick and sharp with the pick-up, you need to be aware of your surroundings and able to get a pass away with up to five or six bodies closing on you. You need to be calm under pressure.
Dirty ball
For it to work you need an animal work-rate to win dirty ball, with a high volume of players occupying this area. Next you need a really good half-back line to distribute the ball to the inside forwards. For the strike forwards left up there, off-the-ball running is the key.
•   They need to run laterally and be patient to create the space, they need to time their run to secure possession out in front. After that, it’s either shoot or lay-off to a runner coming from midfield.
•   If you can be the team that repeatedly emerges from the fight in the middle with the ball, the advantages are huge. Straight away, you’ve created space in the two most dangerous areas of the pitch. All the bodies that have been sucked into the centre of the pitch aren’t getting in the way of either your inside forwards or the player striking the ball into them. It won’t always be perfect but when it works, you will have your best forward in possession 20 metres from goal, usually one-on-one.

The idea then is to get the best player in the best launching position who can look up and play a killer ball into pockets of space in front of goal for the inside men.
Sounds simple but, in reality, a lot of precisely-executed skills have to be performed repeatedly for this to work. It’s not enough to be physically strong around the middle. You need to be quick and sharp with the pick-up, you need to be aware of your surroundings and able to get a pass away with up to five or six bodies closing on you. You need to be calm under pressure.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on September 14, 2020, 03:31:54 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/cork-s-near-record-dry-spell-casts-minds-back-to-2004-05-glory-days-1.4351958

Cork’s near-record dry spell casts minds back to 2004-05 glory days
Former manager John Allen recalls excitement and challenges of his period in charge
Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 06:32
Seán Moran


It falls today, predictably without too much fanfare, but it is now 15 years since Cork last won the All-Ireland hurling title. Having survived a slight frisson against Galway in the 2005 final, the county ultimately recorded back-to-back titles for the first time since 1978.
Few would have imagined that at least a decade and a half would pass without the county seeing Liam MacCarthy again. By this stage Cork hurling is just one year short of its record dry spell of 16 years, set between 1903 and 1919. Even the fabled 12-year famine that ended in 1966 has been eclipsed.
John Allen was the manager in 2005, having stepped up to take over the reigning champions when Dónal O’Grady called it a day. Apart from a successful cameo with Limerick, winning a Munster title in 2013, he has had hardly any involvement in the game as manager, but from a distance reflects on what befell the county after the 2005 win.
“So much happened in the immediate aftermath of 2005 when you had a number of strikes, a lot of uncertainty and a lot of unfriendliness going on outside of the playing field and it divided an awful lot of people. From 2007 to 2013 there was a bit of a tug going on all the time between the board and the players. And that didn’t help.”
He doesn’t, however, want the difficulties of what followed to overshadow the players’ achievements in progressing from the rubble of their first strike in late 2002 to reach the next four All-Ireland hurling finals, winning two.
“They had won two U-21 All-Irelands and fought a very divisive battle with the boardroom, but came through to put their sporting selves where their collective mouth had been and did deliver on the field. That created enormous hype around the team when they did get to four finals.
“So much has happened between ’05 and now that it seems so long ago.”
Allen is keen to emphasise that the battle to assert themselves before being overtaken by Brian Cody’s rising Kilkenny in 2006 wasn’t just a tale of grim struggle.
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“It does feel like a generation ago given the excitement of that time in Cork when we reached four All-Ireland finals in a row and there was huge interest in the county in tickets and children’s days – jeez, there must have been thousands of them, particularly the first year [2003] when Setanta Ó hAilpín was involved.
“It was like Justin Bieber being down in the Park. Literally we nearly needed security to get him off the field one of the nights. There was this sort of excitement there between 2003 and ’06.”
The team’s line on the graph crossed Kilkenny’s in that final year. A potential three-in-a-row for Cork became the starting point for what nearly turned out to be five for Kilkenny.
Although the previous years had been intense, Allen doesn’t believe that defeat in what was to be his final match in charge of Cork was the result of fatigue.
“It was a long process, going from the dispute in 2002 up until losing to Kilkenny in ’06 – and being well beaten. There had been a huge amount happening but also a whole lot of positives. I don’t know that we were tired.
“I remember being down in Inchydoney the previous weekend and we played an A v B game and the quality of it was outstanding and I just couldn’t see us being beaten. JJ Delaney [Kilkenny’s All-Star defender] was injured and we were in good shape. I don’t think you could put it down to tiredness, there was such buoyancy there.
“Kilkenny proved many times afterwards that they could come up with plans to stop another team and always had the ability to come up with something different in a replay. They did it with us by stopping our runners and we weren’t ready for it.”
He remains sad about how fractious everything became in his absence and the decision not to persevere with Ger Cunningham and the remainder of his management team. The friction with the county board led to further strikes, and the intervention of the then new GAA chief executive Páraic Duffy and the best-known industrial relations mediator in the country, Kieran Mulvey.
Allen is also unhappy at the serrated attitudes towards those players – who he describes as “very good, wholesome people” – from some in the county, agreeing that this pains him.
“It does because anyone who worked with them . . . Dónal Óg [Cusack], who was the strongest character in that group, if I wanted someone in my backroom team who I know would give 100 per cent, it would be him.”
Cusack has combined with former team-mates Seán Óg Ó hAilpín, Tom Kenny and Kieran Murphy to take a first step on the ladder of management in Cork.
“They’re working with the minors now and I hear only good things back from parents involved. Seán Óg is another who gets bad press from time to time but he’s a special guy, a decent, lovely man who’s good with young people and does anything he’s asked, like presenting medals and visiting people. It galls me to hear the things said about them by people who don’t know them at all.”
In Allen’s view, the growth of a toxic social media environment has made it challenging for people taking such public roles.
“Nobody would be involved in anything were they to take it too seriously.”
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on October 13, 2020, 12:06:43 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/brendan-maher-surprised-at-timing-of-introduction-of-yellow-sliotar-1.4378935
The GAA announced the decision on Friday afternoon as part of the updated regulations for all upcoming inter-county fixtures and that “for all games in the 2020 GAA Hurling All-Ireland Senior Championship (including the provincial championship) officially approved sliotars with yellow leather shall be used for all games (sliotars with white leather cannot be used)”.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: RedHand88 on October 13, 2020, 02:03:12 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/brendan-maher-surprised-at-timing-of-introduction-of-yellow-sliotar-1.4378935
The GAA announced the decision on Friday afternoon as part of the updated regulations for all upcoming inter-county fixtures and that “for all games in the 2020 GAA Hurling All-Ireland Senior Championship (including the provincial championship) officially approved sliotars with yellow leather shall be used for all games (sliotars with white leather cannot be used)”.

At least they're tackling the big issues.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on October 26, 2020, 08:57:03 AM

Very strange game there yesterday down in Thurles with Limerick and Clare due to no atmosphere at all.

Nip and tuck through the first half and Tony Kelly giving a masterclass in point taking for all over the place, 12 points in all in that half alone and over 50% of them from play I reckon.
Limerick looked the better team but with the loseness of the play were also tacking on points at will with big Hegarty and Guillane doing most damage.
Limerick then came out at the start of the second half and opened up their six point lead by doing nothing spectacular, just the big runners coming through the middle and picking the passes into the forwards and Clare couldn't cope even though they got a goal to close it momentarily Limerick emptied the bench at the end with no drop in performance.

Lots of frees throughout so it'll be interesting to see the reaction to the refereeing but he did pull up the overcarrying and spare arm tackling as well as the pushing in the back. 
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2020, 09:09:57 AM

Very strange game there yesterday down in Thurles with Limerick and Clare due to no atmosphere at all.

Nip and tuck through the first half and Tony Kelly giving a masterclass in point taking for all over the place, 12 points in all in that half alone and over 50% of them from play I reckon.
Limerick looked the better team but with the loseness of the play were also tacking on points at will with big Hegarty and Guillane doing most damage.
Limerick then came out at the start of the second half and opened up their six point lead by doing nothing spectacular, just the big runners coming through the middle and picking the passes into the forwards and Clare couldn't cope even though they got a goal to close it momentarily Limerick emptied the bench at the end with no drop in performance.

Lots of frees throughout so it'll be interesting to see the reaction to the refereeing but he did pull up the overcarrying and spare arm tackling as well as the pushing in the back.

Was saying this once the game got started, lack of intensity and no hard tackles going in, this allowed the big scores for Limerick to be racked up, at the same time the long range scores by both teams, sorry the long ranges scores by Kelly and Limerick were top notch, Limerick didn't have much efforts on goal to be fair and is this a new tactic?

I'd be concerned for Clare that they were so reliant on Kelly, at 26 he seems to have been around for longer, and whoever get Clare next would do well to just to put a sticky man marker on him

As for the refereeing there wasn't much for me other than the soft yellow cards, though he was consistent with showing them, he blew for more 'throw balls' than most refs do all season, which is great and the over carrying was spot on..

For limerick they look to have at least another two gears in them, would just like to see more of a goal threat and that main player has retired and coming up against Tipp next week will give us a more of a view on where these teams are at
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on October 26, 2020, 09:26:28 AM

Very strange game there yesterday down in Thurles with Limerick and Clare due to no atmosphere at all.

Nip and tuck through the first half and Tony Kelly giving a masterclass in point taking for all over the place, 12 points in all in that half alone and over 50% of them from play I reckon.
Limerick looked the better team but with the loseness of the play were also tacking on points at will with big Hegarty and Guillane doing most damage.
Limerick then came out at the start of the second half and opened up their six point lead by doing nothing spectacular, just the big runners coming through the middle and picking the passes into the forwards and Clare couldn't cope even though they got a goal to close it momentarily Limerick emptied the bench at the end with no drop in performance.

Lots of frees throughout so it'll be interesting to see the reaction to the refereeing but he did pull up the overcarrying and spare arm tackling as well as the pushing in the back.

Was saying this once the game got started, lack of intensity and no hard tackles going in, this allowed the big scores for Limerick to be racked up, at the same time the long range scores by both teams, sorry the long ranges scores by Kelly and Limerick were top notch, Limerick didn't have much efforts on goal to be fair and is this a new tactic?

I'd be concerned for Clare that they were so reliant on Kelly, at 26 he seems to have been around for longer, and whoever get Clare next would do well to just to put a sticky man marker on him

As for the refereeing there wasn't much for me other than the soft yellow cards, though he was consistent with showing them, he blew for more 'throw balls' than most refs do all season, which is great and the over carrying was spot on..

For limerick they look to have at least another two gears in them, would just like to see more of a goal threat and that main player has retired and coming up against Tipp next week will give us a more of a view on where these teams are at

Clare really miss John Conlan on the edge of the square. They can lop balls into him and if he doesn't win them they're breaking off for the likes of O'Donnell to get onto. They really only managed that once yesterday and got their goal from it. Other than that it was coming out to easy and considering barring Sean Finn that was a novel fullback like you'd have thought Clare would have tried to expose it more.

Limerick v Tipp, Waterford v Cork, Galway v Wexford and the Dubs v Kilkenny this weekend coming should be interesting.

Kilkenny might get a scare vrs dublin but still think they'll have too much in that one.
Cork will be slight favourites over Waterford but with new management in Waterford that could be interesting and the other two are too close to call IMO.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2020, 01:52:25 PM

Very strange game there yesterday down in Thurles with Limerick and Clare due to no atmosphere at all.

Nip and tuck through the first half and Tony Kelly giving a masterclass in point taking for all over the place, 12 points in all in that half alone and over 50% of them from play I reckon.
Limerick looked the better team but with the loseness of the play were also tacking on points at will with big Hegarty and Guillane doing most damage.
Limerick then came out at the start of the second half and opened up their six point lead by doing nothing spectacular, just the big runners coming through the middle and picking the passes into the forwards and Clare couldn't cope even though they got a goal to close it momentarily Limerick emptied the bench at the end with no drop in performance.

Lots of frees throughout so it'll be interesting to see the reaction to the refereeing but he did pull up the overcarrying and spare arm tackling as well as the pushing in the back.

Was saying this once the game got started, lack of intensity and no hard tackles going in, this allowed the big scores for Limerick to be racked up, at the same time the long range scores by both teams, sorry the long ranges scores by Kelly and Limerick were top notch, Limerick didn't have much efforts on goal to be fair and is this a new tactic?

I'd be concerned for Clare that they were so reliant on Kelly, at 26 he seems to have been around for longer, and whoever get Clare next would do well to just to put a sticky man marker on him

As for the refereeing there wasn't much for me other than the soft yellow cards, though he was consistent with showing them, he blew for more 'throw balls' than most refs do all season, which is great and the over carrying was spot on..

For limerick they look to have at least another two gears in them, would just like to see more of a goal threat and that main player has retired and coming up against Tipp next week will give us a more of a view on where these teams are at

Clare really miss John Conlan on the edge of the square. They can lop balls into him and if he doesn't win them they're breaking off for the likes of O'Donnell to get onto. They really only managed that once yesterday and got their goal from it. Other than that it was coming out to easy and considering barring Sean Finn that was a novel fullback like you'd have thought Clare would have tried to expose it more.

Limerick v Tipp, Waterford v Cork, Galway v Wexford and the Dubs v Kilkenny this weekend coming should be interesting.

Kilkenny might get a scare vrs dublin but still think they'll have too much in that one.
Cork will be slight favourites over Waterford but with new management in Waterford that could be interesting and the other two are too close to call IMO.

The hurling has been wide open these last few years, been great entertainment and I fully expect another name on the cup this year, with no round robin its all in for the other teams that lose next week and that should produce some cracking games also....

Dublin produced a decent enough performance the other night, that extra game will have moved them on and better prepared for Kilkenny, whether they have enough to get over the line is another thing, will check the handicap score on that one.. Cork, who knows with Cork, they could well do it, Wexford will always have one big game in them, which weekend will that be?

Galway, have slipped slightly, and for no real reason, the squad is very similar to their winning team and some lads are at that good age

So its left to Kilkenny and Tipp and what they will bring, this weekend will show who's been hard at it during lockdown
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on October 26, 2020, 04:01:53 PM
There was a discussion on twitter yesterday

Kevin Egan

@lonesharkoy

Genuine question - am I the only one who doesn't enjoy hurling as much now that there are 60-70 shots on goal per game, and consequently a huge amount of restarts/stoppages? I feel like a huge amount of the continuity is gone out of the sport at the very elite level.
John Callinan

@jgcallinan_john

Replying to

@lonesharkoy

Absolutely agree. Rules and their interpretation promotes possession and running, not striking the ball. Huge Gaelic Football influences

Adrian

@massive357

·


Replying to

@lonesharkoy

It's also changed the way the game is played. There was no decent attacking solo run down the heart of the field in that game today. A joy to watch when it happens



Michael Duignan

Replying to
@lonesharkoy

Agreed Kevin. Combination of lighter sliotar, better hurls, more skilful players and massive strength of the modern player.


Enda McEvoy

@lonesharkoy

Couldn't agree more and I've been banging on about this for a few years now. It's become TOO high scoring - and no, that's not a good thing. Scores should be earned.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on October 26, 2020, 04:05:32 PM

Very strange game there yesterday down in Thurles with Limerick and Clare due to no atmosphere at all.

Nip and tuck through the first half and Tony Kelly giving a masterclass in point taking for all over the place, 12 points in all in that half alone and over 50% of them from play I reckon.
Limerick looked the better team but with the loseness of the play were also tacking on points at will with big Hegarty and Guillane doing most damage.
Limerick then came out at the start of the second half and opened up their six point lead by doing nothing spectacular, just the big runners coming through the middle and picking the passes into the forwards and Clare couldn't cope even though they got a goal to close it momentarily Limerick emptied the bench at the end with no drop in performance.

Lots of frees throughout so it'll be interesting to see the reaction to the refereeing but he did pull up the overcarrying and spare arm tackling as well as the pushing in the back.

Was saying this once the game got started, lack of intensity and no hard tackles going in, this allowed the big scores for Limerick to be racked up, at the same time the long range scores by both teams, sorry the long ranges scores by Kelly and Limerick were top notch, Limerick didn't have much efforts on goal to be fair and is this a new tactic?

I'd be concerned for Clare that they were so reliant on Kelly, at 26 he seems to have been around for longer, and whoever get Clare next would do well to just to put a sticky man marker on him

As for the refereeing there wasn't much for me other than the soft yellow cards, though he was consistent with showing them, he blew for more 'throw balls' than most refs do all season, which is great and the over carrying was spot on..

For limerick they look to have at least another two gears in them, would just like to see more of a goal threat and that main player has retired and coming up against Tipp next week will give us a more of a view on where these teams are at

Clare really miss John Conlan on the edge of the square. They can lop balls into him and if he doesn't win them they're breaking off for the likes of O'Donnell to get onto. They really only managed that once yesterday and got their goal from it. Other than that it was coming out to easy and considering barring Sean Finn that was a novel fullback like you'd have thought Clare would have tried to expose it more.

Limerick v Tipp, Waterford v Cork, Galway v Wexford and the Dubs v Kilkenny this weekend coming should be interesting.

Kilkenny might get a scare vrs dublin but still think they'll have too much in that one.
Cork will be slight favourites over Waterford but with new management in Waterford that could be interesting and the other two are too close to call IMO.

The hurling has been wide open these last few years, been great entertainment and I fully expect another name on the cup this year, with no round robin its all in for the other teams that lose next week and that should produce some cracking games also....

Dublin produced a decent enough performance the other night, that extra game will have moved them on and better prepared for Kilkenny, whether they have enough to get over the line is another thing, will check the handicap score on that one.. Cork, who knows with Cork, they could well do it, Wexford will always have one big game in them, which weekend will that be?

Galway, have slipped slightly, and for no real reason, the squad is very similar to their winning team and some lads are at that good age

So its left to Kilkenny and Tipp and what they will bring, this weekend will show who's been hard at it during lockdown
Tipp went off the boil in 2018. Too.many miles run
They had vmbeen on the go since 2014  I think.
Galway were playing at the top level since 2015 and it is not sustainable
So they took a year off
 Like Tipp. Tipp came back rejuvenated.
.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: magpie seanie on October 26, 2020, 05:13:15 PM
There was a discussion on twitter yesterday

Kevin Egan

@lonesharkoy

Genuine question - am I the only one who doesn't enjoy hurling as much now that there are 60-70 shots on goal per game, and consequently a huge amount of restarts/stoppages? I feel like a huge amount of the continuity is gone out of the sport at the very elite level.
John Callinan

@jgcallinan_john

Replying to

@lonesharkoy

Absolutely agree. Rules and their interpretation promotes possession and running, not striking the ball. Huge Gaelic Football influences

Adrian

@massive357

·


Replying to

@lonesharkoy

It's also changed the way the game is played. There was no decent attacking solo run down the heart of the field in that game today. A joy to watch when it happens



Michael Duignan

Replying to
@lonesharkoy

Agreed Kevin. Combination of lighter sliotar, better hurls, more skilful players and massive strength of the modern player.


Enda McEvoy

@lonesharkoy

Couldn't agree more and I've been banging on about this for a few years now. It's become TOO high scoring - and no, that's not a good thing. Scores should be earned.


I enjoyed that exchange on Twitter. If only players had crap hurls, didn't practice or train as much things could be great!!!! I suppose there was a few Offaly lads in the discussion!!!
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on October 26, 2020, 05:43:35 PM
I'd like to see some actual facts as regards whether the sliotar is lighter or not

I suspect it's not

Back in 2003 there was a fierce controversy over the sliotar as it was actually changed that year - the core was changed to make it bouncier - it behaved like those all-weather sliotars - and there were a lot of complaints from players and media -  but I think the new sliotar was abandoned and the old one brought back around the time of the two Cork-Wexford semi-finals

The amount of points in matches has been steadily creeping up over the decades - the Cork team under Jimmy Barry-Murphy in the late 90s were the first that consistently hit big all points totals - but it was not unknown for teams to hit into the 20s points-wise from the 1980s on - Cork even hit 5-31 in the 1982 Munster final, Antrim 1-24 in the 1986 All-Ireland semi-final, Galway 3-20 in the 1987 semi-final, Wexford 2-23 in the 1996 Leinster final etc.

Diarmuid O'Sullivan was pointing from his own 45 in 2001

Noel Skehan was pointing from frees from not far from his own goal back in 1982

I don't think the sliotar is responsible - the bigger bossed hurleys are definitely a factor plus superior fitness and especially possession tactics rather than the old pulling and driving

Hurling as game has changed beyond recognition in terms of style, it's all short, snappy passes to hand now and constant movement, almost pass and move like Barcelona

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
There was a discussion on twitter yesterday

Kevin Egan

@lonesharkoy

Genuine question - am I the only one who doesn't enjoy hurling as much now that there are 60-70 shots on goal per game, and consequently a huge amount of restarts/stoppages? I feel like a huge amount of the continuity is gone out of the sport at the very elite level.
John Callinan

@jgcallinan_john

Replying to

@lonesharkoy

Absolutely agree. Rules and their interpretation promotes possession and running, not striking the ball. Huge Gaelic Football influences

Adrian

@massive357

·


Replying to

@lonesharkoy

It's also changed the way the game is played. There was no decent attacking solo run down the heart of the field in that game today. A joy to watch when it happens



Michael Duignan

Replying to
@lonesharkoy

Agreed Kevin. Combination of lighter sliotar, better hurls, more skilful players and massive strength of the modern player.


Enda McEvoy

@lonesharkoy

Couldn't agree more and I've been banging on about this for a few years now. It's become TOO high scoring - and no, that's not a good thing. Scores should be earned.


I enjoyed that exchange on Twitter. If only players had crap hurls, didn't practice or train as much things could be great!!!! I suppose there was a few Offaly lads in the discussion!!!

Don’t have twitter, but that conversation sounds like they were being dicks or on the piss! Let’s bring the game back to the 80’s! Christ I loved the 80’s hurling and was a massive Galway supporter but it’s left behind because we’ve developed!

Players are stronger, they want them weaker! Hurls have developed? That’s not entirely correct, still made from ash, maybe a bigger boss but certainly the stick it the same. Soloing down then middle?! Into a tackle from Maher from Tipp, which will land you in a&e! More skilful players like wtf, do we want less skilled players?
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: didlyi on October 26, 2020, 10:54:53 PM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on October 26, 2020, 11:19:24 PM
Gearoid Hegarty seems to have perfected those flick backhand handpasses that look a bit like a New Zealand rugby offload, Cian Lynch is a dab hand at them as well

I suppose it was about time some innovation was brought to the handpass

My impression is that as well as being lighter yet bigger bossed, hurleys are generally a bit shorter than they used to be, they couldn't be otherwise, difficult to get away with a big wide swing these days, that's why John Mulhall didn't make it with the Kilkenny senior team, if you look at the technique from the old All-Ireland finals from the 50s and 60s some of the technique looks comical, lads holding the hurley by the very tip of the handle and big wide swings
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 26, 2020, 11:52:35 PM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year. 
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on October 27, 2020, 08:57:02 AM
Gearoid Hegarty seems to have perfected those flick backhand handpasses that look a bit like a New Zealand rugby offload, Cian Lynch is a dab hand at them as well

I suppose it was about time some innovation was brought to the handpass

My impression is that as well as being lighter yet bigger bossed, hurleys are generally a bit shorter than they used to be, they couldn't be otherwise, difficult to get away with a big wide swing these days, that's why John Mulhall didn't make it with the Kilkenny senior team, if you look at the technique from the old All-Ireland finals from the 50s and 60s some of the technique looks comical, lads holding the hurley by the very tip of the handle and big wide swings

I thought he didn't play again after his singing at the homecoming??
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on October 27, 2020, 09:01:54 AM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.

Here MR2, I saw that the Clare goalie was pulled for stepping outside the wee square on a puck out on Sunday - throw in ball was awarded, which Limerick won, recycled and Hayes scored.

Now just about 3 mins previous to that, the umpire called the ref in, had a quick chat and play then continued. If, and I don't know, the umpire was telling the ref that the goalie was stepping out of the square as he hit his puck outs, would the ref not have warned the goalie and said, I'm watching you on the puck outs?
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: hardstation on October 27, 2020, 09:14:17 AM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.

Here MR2, I saw that the Clare goalie was pulled for stepping outside the wee square on a puck out on Sunday - throw in ball was awarded, which Limerick won, recycled and Hayes scored.

Now just about 3 mins previous to that, the umpire called the ref in, had a quick chat and play then continued. If, and I don't know, the umpire was telling the ref that the goalie was stepping out of the square as he hit his puck outs, would the ref not have warned the goalie and said, I'm watching you on the puck outs?
I actually thought that too. However, about 2 puckouts later the keeper did exactly the same thing and wasn’t pulled so maybe he was warned and just didn’t give a shite.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on October 27, 2020, 09:19:33 AM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.

Here MR2, I saw that the Clare goalie was pulled for stepping outside the wee square on a puck out on Sunday - throw in ball was awarded, which Limerick won, recycled and Hayes scored.

Now just about 3 mins previous to that, the umpire called the ref in, had a quick chat and play then continued. If, and I don't know, the umpire was telling the ref that the goalie was stepping out of the square as he hit his puck outs, would the ref not have warned the goalie and said, I'm watching you on the puck outs?
I actually thought that too. However, about 2 puckouts later the keeper did exactly the same thing and wasn’t pulled so maybe he was warned and just didn’t give a shite.

The one on which he was pulled up on was miminal in fairnes, going by the camera angle behind the goals.

Maybe it's a new directive this year.

Tv camera seemed to be in a different place also.  Seemed a bit lower.  Maybe they could do it as no crowds in so they had more options.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: didlyi on October 27, 2020, 09:33:15 AM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.


Speeding up the game should not be the be all and end all. If the game gets any faster there will be a score every minute. What Im suggesting will keep the ball in play for longer but not necessarily slow the game down. Blocking Hand passes is very very rare. I dont buy the 'game is fine and leave it alone' either. Every game needs at least a discussion.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:07:00 AM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.

Here MR2, I saw that the Clare goalie was pulled for stepping outside the wee square on a puck out on Sunday - throw in ball was awarded, which Limerick won, recycled and Hayes scored.

Now just about 3 mins previous to that, the umpire called the ref in, had a quick chat and play then continued. If, and I don't know, the umpire was telling the ref that the goalie was stepping out of the square as he hit his puck outs, would the ref not have warned the goalie and said, I'm watching you on the puck outs?
I actually thought that too. However, about 2 puckouts later the keeper did exactly the same thing and wasn’t pulled so maybe he was warned and just didn’t give a shite.

The one on which he was pulled up on was miminal in fairnes, going by the camera angle behind the goals.

Maybe it's a new directive this year.

Tv camera seemed to be in a different place also.  Seemed a bit lower.  Maybe they could do it as no crowds in so they had more options.

The decision was by the umpire when he stepped to the side and raised his right arm, as a signal to the ref that he had stepped outside the box, it was minimal but he probably was warned, when called in that time the ref didn't talk to the keeper at all. and in the second half he stepped outside a few more times with no hop ball awarded ..

Why he had to do that when all he had to do was speak into the mic I don't know, its not really the umpires job to call that I don't think, so bringing attention to it may work against the ref

 Some refs have their thing, the ref refused to have quick ball from puck outs until he was ready, there is no rule to wait on the ref to blow for a puck out, once the ball goes wide and as long as the players are outside the 21 the keeper can puck it out
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on October 27, 2020, 11:11:36 AM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.


Speeding up the game should not be the be all and end all. If the game gets any faster there will be a score every minute. What Im suggesting will keep the ball in play for longer but not necessarily slow the game down. Blocking Hand passes is very very rare. I dont buy the 'game is fine and leave it alone' either. Every game needs at least a discussion.

IMO the ball needs to change, it's far too easy to flick the ball over from 80 plus meters.

I know there's examples of that of the rock and the likes back in the early 00's but he was a beast of a man and that was the exception rather than the rule.
if you'd a keeper getting 80 metres on a puck out that was good, now they can all do it and some more and not all of that is conditioning.
Change the core of the ball to a deader PU and ensure that there's more hurling required for a score to come off.

Hurl shapes are cyclic and I think the large boss of the O'Connors of Cork era isn't as prevalent now. Take a look at the length and shape of Guillanes hurl, now he's a big man and I'd hazard his hurl is 34" or 35" at a push, same with Kyle Hayes. The smaller the hurl the easier to get a shot off in close confines.

Hurling is now a possession game, rather than a contested ball game (although Kilkenny are still happy to lump it long and see what happens) hence the quick puckouts as deployed by Clare. They knew there was little point in firing long balls on top of the Limerick half backs and were trying to win possession 40, 50 metres out and work through the lines and bypass that halfback line. Expect Wexford, Galway, Cork in particular who haven't really solved their lack of a ball winning forward to supplement Harnedy, Tipp and Dublin to be at the same this weekend.

It's modern hurling as we know it.


Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:23:55 AM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.


Speeding up the game should not be the be all and end all. If the game gets any faster there will be a score every minute. What Im suggesting will keep the ball in play for longer but not necessarily slow the game down. Blocking Hand passes is very very rare. I dont buy the 'game is fine and leave it alone' either. Every game needs at least a discussion.

IMO the ball needs to change, it's far too easy to flick the ball over from 80 plus meters.

I know there's examples of that of the rock and the likes back in the early 00's but he was a beast of a man and that was the exception rather than the rule.
if you'd a keeper getting 80 metres on a puck out that was good, now they can all do it and some more and not all of that is conditioning.
Change the core of the ball to a deader PU and ensure that there's more hurling required for a score to come off.

Hurl shapes are cyclic and I think the large boss of the O'Connors of Cork era isn't as prevalent now. Take a look at the length and shape of Guillanes hurl, now he's a big man and I'd hazard his hurl is 34" or 35" at a push, same with Kyle Hayes. The smaller the hurl the easier to get a shot off in close confines.

Hurling is now a possession game, rather than a contested ball game (although Kilkenny are still happy to lump it long and see what happens) hence the quick puckouts as deployed by Clare. They knew there was little point in firing long balls on top of the Limerick half backs and were trying to win possession 40, 50 metres out and work through the lines and bypass that halfback line. Expect Wexford, Galway, Cork in particular who haven't really solved their lack of a ball winning forward to supplement Harnedy, Tipp and Dublin to be at the same this weekend.

It's modern hurling as we know it.

So when the heavier ball comes in and lads develop better ability to strike it will we go for a heavier ball again?

You try flicking the ball 80 yards now, it ain't that easy, and score!  I suppose our age doesn't help and we are out of practice but that is the main reason as to why they are doing it, far stronger than the Michael Duignan's of the past and trained a lot more. If we get bigger scores what difference?

Players need to adopt to the teams and that will change the game, striking the ball over the bar from distance is a great skill, considering football they won't shoot unless its 10 yards out, and miss.

There was always some possession in teams, that Wexford team that beat Kilkenny played possession and short passes, as did the Galway team when they beat Kilkenny in their pomp.

Go for the heavier ball and I give it a season before the distances are the similar
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on October 27, 2020, 11:39:25 AM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.


Speeding up the game should not be the be all and end all. If the game gets any faster there will be a score every minute. What Im suggesting will keep the ball in play for longer but not necessarily slow the game down. Blocking Hand passes is very very rare. I dont buy the 'game is fine and leave it alone' either. Every game needs at least a discussion.

IMO the ball needs to change, it's far too easy to flick the ball over from 80 plus meters.

I know there's examples of that of the rock and the likes back in the early 00's but he was a beast of a man and that was the exception rather than the rule.
if you'd a keeper getting 80 metres on a puck out that was good, now they can all do it and some more and not all of that is conditioning.
Change the core of the ball to a deader PU and ensure that there's more hurling required for a score to come off.

Hurl shapes are cyclic and I think the large boss of the O'Connors of Cork era isn't as prevalent now. Take a look at the length and shape of Guillanes hurl, now he's a big man and I'd hazard his hurl is 34" or 35" at a push, same with Kyle Hayes. The smaller the hurl the easier to get a shot off in close confines.

Hurling is now a possession game, rather than a contested ball game (although Kilkenny are still happy to lump it long and see what happens) hence the quick puckouts as deployed by Clare. They knew there was little point in firing long balls on top of the Limerick half backs and were trying to win possession 40, 50 metres out and work through the lines and bypass that halfback line. Expect Wexford, Galway, Cork in particular who haven't really solved their lack of a ball winning forward to supplement Harnedy, Tipp and Dublin to be at the same this weekend.

It's modern hurling as we know it.

So when the heavier ball comes in and lads develop better ability to strike it will we go for a heavier ball again?

You try flicking the ball 80 yards now, it ain't that easy, and score!  I suppose our age doesn't help and we are out of practice but that is the main reason as to why they are doing it, far stronger than the Michael Duignan's of the past and trained a lot more. If we get bigger scores what difference?

Players need to adopt to the teams and that will change the game, striking the ball over the bar from distance is a great skill, considering football they won't shoot unless its 10 yards out, and miss.

There was always some possession in teams, that Wexford team that beat Kilkenny played possession and short passes, as did the Galway team when they beat Kilkenny in their pomp.

Go for the heavier ball and I give it a season before the distances are the similar

Who mentioned heavier?

I'd be concerned that the contested ball is totally eradicated from hurling and we start getting the damp squip we saw last Sunday afternoon when it gets into the realms of basketball where a score is almost expected every possession and turn overs are the exception rather than the rule.

I know that is maybe an exaggeration but we're going down that track IMO.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: CitySlicker11 on October 27, 2020, 12:07:21 PM
Was last Sunday not just a case of a far superior team imposing their dominance? Whether that was down to absentees or Limericks overall game is another question. Looking forward to a few more tighter contests this weekend.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 12:08:09 PM
Its a good topic and becomes more apparent when teams rack up huge scores as limerick did. The hurl bos has changed for sure, the players are more athletic and the ball is probably less prone to moisture. All this making it easier to score. But the handpass has also been perfected now more than ever before and used alot more than in the past and Limerick use it to great effect. The pop pass out to a man in space is very prevalent in todays game but can become a bit boring to watch over and over again. The problem as I see it is its very difficult for the opposition to intercept a handpass. Unlike a stick pass you cant block it or hook it with the hurl. In fact there is very little a player can do to stop a handpass in hurling. Instead they swarm the player in possession which then has many other consequences... More spare hand fouls, more rucks and ultimately easier scores for the player now in space. I would love to see the handpass either been reduce to 1 or none or change to make it more difficult. The ball will stay in play longer and the game becomes less start stop.
Leave the ball alone and yellow is fine too.

If the ball is being popped out of a ruck to space then it’s speeding up the game, one man tackle is plenty, mark the space where the hand pass is going to. You can block a hand pass with your hurl, no foul there.

If we apply the rules properly on the hand pass then it’s more difficult to complete within the rules, I thought there was a good few calls on Sunday by the ref for improper hand passes..

The O’Connor lads from Cork were into the new design of the bigger boss, that was over 20 odd years ago, there was then regulations came in on size of boss, stick sizes would have been generally a 36/38 that’s dropped to a 35 mainly, Joe Deane being the main player I seen with a low handling of the hurl.

Hurling is fine, teams all weekend (undr20’s) were looking 30 or 40 yard passes into space, teams will adapt to that, like they did to Corks running game when they were on top.

In five years there’ll be a new tactic.. Kilkenny played the traditional way, ball into forwards and let them win their own ball, served them well for many a year.


Speeding up the game should not be the be all and end all. If the game gets any faster there will be a score every minute. What Im suggesting will keep the ball in play for longer but not necessarily slow the game down. Blocking Hand passes is very very rare. I dont buy the 'game is fine and leave it alone' either. Every game needs at least a discussion.

IMO the ball needs to change, it's far too easy to flick the ball over from 80 plus meters.

I know there's examples of that of the rock and the likes back in the early 00's but he was a beast of a man and that was the exception rather than the rule.
if you'd a keeper getting 80 metres on a puck out that was good, now they can all do it and some more and not all of that is conditioning.
Change the core of the ball to a deader PU and ensure that there's more hurling required for a score to come off.

Hurl shapes are cyclic and I think the large boss of the O'Connors of Cork era isn't as prevalent now. Take a look at the length and shape of Guillanes hurl, now he's a big man and I'd hazard his hurl is 34" or 35" at a push, same with Kyle Hayes. The smaller the hurl the easier to get a shot off in close confines.

Hurling is now a possession game, rather than a contested ball game (although Kilkenny are still happy to lump it long and see what happens) hence the quick puckouts as deployed by Clare. They knew there was little point in firing long balls on top of the Limerick half backs and were trying to win possession 40, 50 metres out and work through the lines and bypass that halfback line. Expect Wexford, Galway, Cork in particular who haven't really solved their lack of a ball winning forward to supplement Harnedy, Tipp and Dublin to be at the same this weekend.

It's modern hurling as we know it.

So when the heavier ball comes in and lads develop better ability to strike it will we go for a heavier ball again?

You try flicking the ball 80 yards now, it ain't that easy, and score!  I suppose our age doesn't help and we are out of practice but that is the main reason as to why they are doing it, far stronger than the Michael Duignan's of the past and trained a lot more. If we get bigger scores what difference?

Players need to adopt to the teams and that will change the game, striking the ball over the bar from distance is a great skill, considering football they won't shoot unless its 10 yards out, and miss.

There was always some possession in teams, that Wexford team that beat Kilkenny played possession and short passes, as did the Galway team when they beat Kilkenny in their pomp.

Go for the heavier ball and I give it a season before the distances are the similar

Who mentioned heavier?

I'd be concerned that the contested ball is totally eradicated from hurling and we start getting the damp squip we saw last Sunday afternoon when it gets into the realms of basketball where a score is almost expected every possession and turn overs are the exception rather than the rule.

I know that is maybe an exaggeration but we're going down that track IMO.

Changing the composite of the ball to be more dense? Would that make the ball travel less?

The hand pass is in the rules, changing it will create bigger and longer rucks IMO as the ball will be unable to be released quicker and the player will have to drop the ball, that'll create a ruck of players trying to gain possession. which is ugly enough at times, a good old fashion pull on the ball is not the done thing anymore as it gives away possession.

Clare hit 23 points 10 from play and 13 from frees and hit 6 wides

Limerick hit 36 points 26 from play (which is huge but more telling on how Clare defended IMO) 10 from frees and 11 wides

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on October 27, 2020, 12:09:45 PM
I say keep hurling the way it is.

Probably on Sunday was no real pressure on Limerick's shooters. Clare blocked up the middle third and Limerick just shot over that with precision.  They said, ok you block the middle and we'll shoot points all game long. Your choice!

I can't believe, after KK V Tipp shootout in 2014, that people want less scores etc. Madness.

The game evloves, that's life. In 20 years time, it'll have moved on again.  When you look back at TG4's golden era, the hurling is poor, compared to the modern era.  Compare that at the time with hurling 20 years before that, then the same is true. That's the evolution of the game.

Years ago everything in the air was pulled on, nowadays it's a possession based game i.e. clean catches and own the ball.  The skill level, imo, is far higher nowadays as everything is done at such a high speed.

In GAA, people want rule changes every year just for the sake of it.

Hurling is great again!!
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: didlyi on October 27, 2020, 02:52:34 PM

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Changing the composite of the ball to be more dense? Would that make the ball travel less?

The hand pass is in the rules, changing it will create bigger and longer rucks IMO as the ball will be unable to be released quicker and the player will have to drop the ball, that'll create a ruck of players trying to gain possession. which is ugly enough at times, a good old fashion pull on the ball is not the done thing anymore as it gives away possession.

Clare hit 23 points 10 from play and 13 from frees and hit 6 wides

Limerick hit 36 points 26 from play (which is huge but more telling on how Clare defended IMO) 10 from frees and 11 wides
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On the contrary, the rucks are being caused because of the frenzy to get the ball into the hand....Once its in the hand then the pop handpass out ends the ruck. If you couldn't handpass the ball out of a ruck there probably wouldn't be a ruck in the first place as players would be better off scooping it out or playing it along the ground out of a ruck as they used to do before.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 03:34:00 PM


Changing the composite of the ball to be more dense? Would that make the ball travel less?

The hand pass is in the rules, changing it will create bigger and longer rucks IMO as the ball will be unable to be released quicker and the player will have to drop the ball, that'll create a ruck of players trying to gain possession. which is ugly enough at times, a good old fashion pull on the ball is not the done thing anymore as it gives away possession.

Clare hit 23 points 10 from play and 13 from frees and hit 6 wides

Limerick hit 36 points 26 from play (which is huge but more telling on how Clare defended IMO) 10 from frees and 11 wides
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On the contrary, the rucks are being caused because of the frenzy to get the ball into the hand....Once its in the hand then the pop handpass out ends the ruck. If you couldn't handpass the ball out of a ruck there probably wouldn't be a ruck in the first place as players would be better off scooping it out or playing it along the ground out of a ruck as they used to do before.
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Yes hand passes are delivered from rucks that's natural, some were saying it's basketball type hurling and that's not the case.. Plenty balls won and played back or across the pitch

Possession is key in all these sports now, hold the ball play it to the best man in space to score.. 50/50 balls have no place in the game at that level, a defenders dream, even for a wee man like me a hopeful ball into defense was always better than the short cross field balls that came my way (Johhnycool's club tortured me with it back in the day)

In my 40 years of watching hurling the developments have always been for the better, bar that unpredictable ball that was made years ago. the dropping of the handpass goal was a must, what were they thinking with that one!?

Other than the forced issues with the penalty takers taking 15 yards to smack the ball, its mostly stayed true to the sport
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on October 27, 2020, 04:40:42 PM
It's great to see a hurling discussion.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: didlyi on October 27, 2020, 04:59:09 PM
https://twitter.com/sixtwofourtwo/status/1320011916677386240/photo/1

Yes I have a bee in my bonnet over handpassing. See the link above. Laois are handpassing almost half of their passes. I watched highlights of the Westmeath County final and the amount of handpassing was shocking. If this the way the game is going there will be no intensity to the game whatsoever and the game will just become handpass to the man in space and shoot from distance.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 06:14:44 PM
https://twitter.com/sixtwofourtwo/status/1320011916677386240/photo/1

Yes I have a bee in my bonnet over handpassing. See the link above. Laois are handpassing almost half of their passes. I watched highlights of the Westmeath County final and the amount of handpassing was shocking. If this the way the game is going there will be no intensity to the game whatsoever and the game will just become handpass to the man in space and shoot from distance.

Managers will work hat out, as they have done over the years
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on October 28, 2020, 11:06:37 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/hurling-championship-2020-county-by-county-guide-1.4386995

Hurling Championship 2020: County-by-county guide
Seán Moran runs the rule over the 10 squads competing for the Liam MacCarthy
Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 05:26
 
Seán Moran


Leinster
DUBLIN
Manager: Mattie Kenny (2nd year)
Odds: All-Ireland 33/1; Leinster 10/1
First up: v Laois, tbc, October 24th, 6.0
Last year: Qualified from Leinster but shocked by Laois
Longest year: All-Ireland final, December 14th, 1924, beat Galway
Where we left them: After a humdrum league in which they won the obvious fixtures against Laois and Carlow but lost to all of the better counties.Unlucky versus Wexford but well beaten by Kilkenny and Clare.
Where they are: Still not enough new players coming through, especially in attack where All Star nominated back Chris Crummey is likely to relocate. Defence is sound but lacking wallop up front.
GALWAY
 Galway’s Fintan Burke. Photograph: Inpho/Cathal Noonan
Manager: Shane O’Neill (1st year)
Odds: All-Ireland 4/1; Leinster 13/8
First up: v Wexford, tbc, October 31st, 6.15
Last year: Failed to get out of Leinster
Longest year: All-Ireland semi-final (1898), December 17th, 1899, lost to Tipperary
Where we left them: In a league quarter-final after an improving league campaign under new management, with Shane O’Neill running the rule over 31 players, including the promising Evan Niland and Darren Morrissey.
Where they are: Time has allowed Fintan Burke regain full fitness and find luminous form for St Thomas at full back, which frees up serial All Star Dáithí Burke for deployment farther out or vice versa.
KILKENNY
 Kilkenny’s Adrian Mullen. Photograph: Inpho/Gary Carr
Manager: Brian Cody (22nd year)
Odds: All-Ireland 9/2; Leinster 11/8
First up: v Dublin/Laois, tbc, November 1st, tbc
Last year: All-Ireland and Leinster finalists, they eliminated All-Ireland champions Limerick
Longest year: All-Ireland final, December 12th, 1909, beat Tipperary

Where we left them: Had qualified for league quarter-finals but form was understandably underwhelming given the resting of senior Ballyhale players.
Where they are: Fully restored if positive tales of Adrian Mullen’s cruciate recovery are accurate, Kilkenny haven’t appreciably restocked but retain a strong spine and the Shamrocks players are again in form. Proved last year that they can take almost anyone – but everyone? 
LAOIS
 Mark Kavanagh of Laois. Photogrxaph: Inpho/Ryan Byrne
Manager: Eddie Brennan (2nd year)
Odds: All-Ireland 1000/1; Leinster 100/1
First up: v Dublin, tbc, October 24th, 6.0
Last year: McDonagh Cup winners, shocked Dublin and lost to Tipperary
Longest year: All-Ireland final, October 24th, 1924, beat Cork
Where we left them: In not bad form at end of the league’having got the crucial win over Carlow to secure Division 1 status and reasonably competitive elsewhere.
•   Nicky English: Extra game will improve both Dublin and already formidable Limerick
•   Limerick score 36 points to overpower Tony Kelly’s solo act
•   Inspirational Burke points the way as Dublin clear opening hurdle
Where they are: Losing the intended advantage of getting at least four championship matches in good conditions, they have traditional one shot, against Dublin. Prolific Mark Kavanagh’s fitness a worry and other absentees leave them weaker that last year.
WEXFORD
Manager: David Fitzgerald (4th year)
Odds: All-Ireland 12/1 and Leinster 7/2
First up: v Galway, tbc, October 31st, 6.15
Last year: Leinster champions, lost All-Ireland semi-final against Tipp
Longest year: All-Ireland final, November 20th, 1910, beat Limerick
Where we left them: In league quarter-final after a good run with just one defeat, against Clare. Emergence of Joe O’Connor at corner back adds to David Fitzgerald’s options.
Where they are: Leinster champions but still short of top table reservation. Full strength. Covid facilitates Liam Ryan’s recover from injury but removes the crowds on which Wexford thrive. Will they adapt running game in wintry conditions? 
Munster
CLARE
 David McInerney of Clare. Photograph: Inpho/Ryan Byrne
Manager: Brian Lohan (1st year)
Odds: All-Ireland 20/1; Munster 10/1
First up: v Limerick, Thurles, October 25th, 3.45
Last year: Didn’t qualify from Munster
Longest year: All-Ireland final, October 18th, 1914, beat Laois
Where we left them: Unbeaten and top of their group, which qualifies them for abbreviated league’s final but also with captain John Conlon injured.
Where they are: Fallen back, having lost players with Conlon’s return still a few weeks off. Peter Duggan hasn’t returned. Still some serious performers, like Tony Kelly, David McInerney and Shane O’Donnell but a bit one-paced at the back. Struggled in recent challenges. 
CORK
 Cork’s Séamus Harnedy. Photograph: Inpho/Laszlo Geczo
Manager: Kieran Kingston (1st year)
Odds: All-Ireland 7/1; Munster11/4
First up: v Waterford, Thurles, October 31st, 3.30
Last year: Lost All-Ireland quarter-final to Kilkenny
Longest year: All-Ireland final (1903), November 19th, 1905, beat London

Where we left them: Inconsistent league campaign in Kieran Kingston’s first year back.
Where they are: Going impressively in challenges, whatever that indicates, but they have great pace around the field. Improved under-age supply picking up and some fresh attacking talent emerged in the county championship, like Alan Connolly, but there are injury concerns with Darragh Fitzgibbon gone for a while. Defensive issues also don’t look resolved, either.
LIMERICK
 
 Limerick’s Richie English after the 2019 loss to Kilkenny. Photograph: Inpho/James Crombie
Manager: John Kiely (4th year)
Odds: All-Ireland 11/4; Munster 5/2
First up: v Clare, Thurles, October 25th, 3.45
Last year: Munster champions, beaten by Kilkenny in All-Ireland semi-final
Longest year: All-Ireland semi-final, December 3rd, 1911, beat Galway
Where we left them: On 100 per cent record, which puts them in a league final (doubling up with championship opener) against Clare but also with significant injury to Richie English.
Where they are: Mike Casey’s bad injury exacerbates English’s absence given comparative lack of resources in full-back line. Main contenders, fuelled by last year’s disappointment. Shane Dowling has retired and Na Piarsaigh club mate David Dempsey is injured.
TIPPERARY
 Tipperary’s Patrick Maher. Photograph: Inpho/James Crombie
Manager: Liam Sheedy (2nd year)
Odds: All-Ireland 10/3; Munster 15/8
First up: v Clare/Limerick, tbc, November 1st, 4.0
Last year: All-Ireland champions, beating Kilkenny
Longest year: All-Ireland semi-final (1898), December 17th, 1899, beat Galway
Where we left them: Shaping up like any other season defending the All-Ireland for Tipp. One win out of five in the league.
Where they are: Delay distances them from downbeat league and facilitates the return of Bonner Maher from long-term injury. County championship’s best player, John Meagher, is called up but will he translate to the top level? Good young players as well as proven performers. 
WATERFORD
Manager: Liam Cahill (1st year)
Odds: All-Ireland 14/1; Munster 13/2
First up: v Cork, Thurles, October 31st, 3.30
Last year: Didn’t qualify from Munster
Longest year: All-Ireland final (replay), October 4th, 1959, beat Kilkenny
Where we left them: Encouraging league under new manager Liam Cahill dimmed the controversy of panel cuts, reaching quarter-final.
Where they are: Badly hit by Pauric Mahony’s long-term injury although delayed season and county championship produced one major bonus: Tadhg de Búrca’s return from injury and to top form means that Austin Gleeson can move to the forwards, the sector where the team needs greater impact. Well positioned in the long grass for the meeting with Cork.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on October 28, 2020, 11:35:34 AM
https://twitter.com/sixtwofourtwo/status/1320011916677386240/photo/1

Yes I have a bee in my bonnet over handpassing. See the link above. Laois are handpassing almost half of their passes. I watched highlights of the Westmeath County final and the amount of handpassing was shocking. If this the way the game is going there will be no intensity to the game whatsoever and the game will just become handpass to the man in space and shoot from distance.

What's a punt pass? Edit, its in the small print. hit and hope  ;D

Interesting enough stats those and as I said hurling is now a possession based game and reinforces my point about Kilkenny still the most inclined to fire the "punt" pass into their forwards and allow the likes of Colin Fennelly, Walter Walsh and TJ Reid to win their own ball.

That's a fierce amount of handpassing from Laois and to carry off that type of gameplan needs huge levels of fitness for the support play.

I'd say most hand and stick passes happen in working through the lines like most teams do now in attempts to avoid sweepers, deep lying half backs and the likes.



Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: didlyi on October 28, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
Johnny. I think it would be a dis service to all the players who ever played hurling for a team to get fit enough to play a handpassing game. The day that happens we can safely say Hurling has followed Football all the way to the slurry pit.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on October 29, 2020, 10:24:46 AM
Johnny. I think it would be a dis service to all the players who ever played hurling for a team to get fit enough to play a handpassing game. The day that happens we can safely say Hurling has followed Football all the way to the slurry pit.

Don't get me wrong as the game last Sunday was hopefully an outlier exacerbated by the lack of atmosphere and we'll know more with the four games at Liam McCarthy level this weekend but there's always been a move to low risk, high percentages possession game and handpassing football like is a big part of that.

I can see the 2020 stats having even more handpassing and stick passing and less punts and I'm not keen on it either but sports like eveything evolve and sometimes not for the better.

Great scores are more important than high scores IMO and by that I mean the amount of effort, skill, bravery required to get it means a lot more to me than someone receiving a run of the mill handpass and tapping it over from 60 or 70 metres.
The great Tipp v KK game wasn't great because of the scoreline, it was great because of the epic battle at both ends of the field where scores were hard to come by and great defenders had a chance of preventing great forwards from scoring. Same with the epic Galway and KK games in 2012.
We've lost a bit of that but its early days yet.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on October 29, 2020, 04:09:58 PM
Johnny. I think it would be a dis service to all the players who ever played hurling for a team to get fit enough to play a handpassing game. The day that happens we can safely say Hurling has followed Football all the way to the slurry pit.

Don't get me wrong as the game last Sunday was hopefully an outlier exacerbated by the lack of atmosphere and we'll know more with the four games at Liam McCarthy level this weekend but there's always been a move to low risk, high percentages possession game and handpassing football like is a big part of that.

I can see the 2020 stats having even more handpassing and stick passing and less punts and I'm not keen on it either but sports like eveything evolve and sometimes not for the better.

Great scores are more important than high scores IMO and by that I mean the amount of effort, skill, bravery required to get it means a lot more to me than someone receiving a run of the mill handpass and tapping it over from 60 or 70 metres.
The great Tipp v KK game wasn't great because of the scoreline, it was great because of the epic battle at both ends of the field where scores were hard to come by and great defenders had a chance of preventing great forwards from scoring. Same with the epic Galway and KK games in 2012.
We've lost a bit of that but its early days yet.

Fully agree with the JC.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: didlyi on October 29, 2020, 07:45:54 PM
And I agree aswell. Sure this weekend could be completely different especially given the weather forecast,  but in general over the last few years theres been alot of teams playing the quick ball to the free man and then shoot for score. For that we get high scores and in some cases at the same time lot of wides aswell. Limerick and Galway appear to do this the most IMO.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2020, 08:08:14 PM
So we want:

50/50 balls into the forwards
No hand passes
Soloing into into tackles
No shooting if free
No scores from 60 yards
Poor possession

As an ex manager, on the things above that’s  not how I’d set my team up, it would be,  retain possession, pass to team mate, shoot when free, don’t take the ball into the tackle, lay it off to a player in a better position, take your points the goals will come.

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on October 29, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
So we want:

50/50 balls into the forwards
No hand passes
Soloing into into tackles
No shooting if free
No scores from 60 yards
Poor possession

As an ex manager, on the things above that’s  not how I’d set my team up, it would be,  retain possession, pass to team mate, shoot when free, don’t take the ball into the tackle, lay it off to a player in a better position, take your points the goals will come.

You forgot the lads also want a white sliotar!!
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on October 30, 2020, 12:19:54 PM
So we want:

50/50 balls into the forwards
No hand passes
Soloing into into tackles
No shooting if free
No scores from 60 yards
Poor possession

As an ex manager, on the things above that’s  not how I’d set my team up, it would be,  retain possession, pass to team mate, shoot when free, don’t take the ball into the tackle, lay it off to a player in a better position, take your points the goals will come.

You forgot the lads also want a white sliotar!!

I want a deader sliotar that takes a bit more hurling to get it from one end of the field to the other.  LAds are flicking the current sliotars over from 60 to 70 metres. Yes, S&C has improved, but not that much.

IF and that's a big IF we see more referees blowing up the head high tackling, the overcarrying, the spare arm dragging and the dodgy handpassing this weekend then I think we may actually see a better game develop.
It'll take players and coaches time to understand that these things will be punished whereas in the recent past they haven't been and maybe coach tackling for the ball like the good Offaly teams with their flicks and interceptions were as good as anything to behold.

Now for some finches orange to wash down the hang sandwiches  ;D
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on October 30, 2020, 12:39:56 PM
So we want:

50/50 balls into the forwards
No hand passes
Soloing into into tackles
No shooting if free
No scores from 60 yards
Poor possession

As an ex manager, on the things above that’s  not how I’d set my team up, it would be,  retain possession, pass to team mate, shoot when free, don’t take the ball into the tackle, lay it off to a player in a better position, take your points the goals will come.

You forgot the lads also want a white sliotar!!

I want a deader sliotar that takes a bit more hurling to get it from one end of the field to the other.  LAds are flicking the current sliotars over from 60 to 70 metres. Yes, S&C has improved, but not that much.

IF and that's a big IF we see more referees blowing up the head high tackling, the overcarrying, the spare arm dragging and the dodgy handpassing this weekend then I think we may actually see a better game develop.
It'll take players and coaches time to understand that these things will be punished whereas in the recent past they haven't been and maybe coach tackling for the ball like the good Offaly teams with their flicks and interceptions were as good as anything to behold.

Now for some finches orange to wash down the hang sandwiches  ;D

Good luck!
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2020, 12:41:35 PM
I thought that the ref did pull the hand pass a lot last week
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: didlyi on October 30, 2020, 02:16:35 PM
He did and rightly so. Its very difficult for refs to see what we can see on HD tv and expect him to know the difference between a ball that leaves the hand for 2mm before being palmed or a throw. Change it so that the ball must go from hurl to handpass or from one hand to the other hand for the pass. Problem solved and looks alot better too.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2020, 02:41:50 PM
He did and rightly so. Its very difficult for refs to see what we can see on HD tv and expect him to know the difference between a ball that leaves the hand for 2mm before being palmed or a throw. Change it so that the ball must go from hurl to handpass or from one hand to the other hand for the pass. Problem solved and looks alot better too.

I agree on that, that's a clear passage of play
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on October 31, 2020, 12:42:01 PM
Wintery conditions for Croke Park & Semple Stadium today.

Should be interesting.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
Will make the ball heavier, should keep people happy 😂
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on October 31, 2020, 04:05:11 PM
Déise giving it a good lash
Kilkenny ruthless
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on October 31, 2020, 04:09:52 PM
Reid is different gravy

Better than Shefflin ever was
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on October 31, 2020, 04:20:31 PM
Dublin doing a fair impression of Kilkenny's tactics in the second half of the 2019 All-Ireland here

Lumping balls in on top of a completely isolated Liam Rushe

Crummey had a goal chance and needed to kick it in but threw a hurley at it and was hooked

Losing the plot altogether now, basic skill errors are creeping in all over the place

Cats in cruise control at the moment and on top all over the pitch

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: hardstation on October 31, 2020, 04:35:09 PM
Gleeson got away with one there!
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2020, 04:44:23 PM
Some scoreline at halftime
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: imtommygunn on October 31, 2020, 04:47:08 PM
Dublin have dropped off the pace a good bit this last few years. Reid a machine.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on October 31, 2020, 04:54:48 PM
It would be a big coaching statement by Liam Cahill to win this

Waterford coming in today were the classic under the radar* team

Don't think it would be that big a surprise in the real sense however, people have completely forgotten about them because of the last two years but they still have real quality, it's about time they came again

Cork haven't kicked on at all from 2017 and 2018

*cliche

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
Didn’t see this result coming, thought Cork were a good thing
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: imtommygunn on October 31, 2020, 05:27:38 PM
Don’t even know where the Dublin game was on but some comeback from them to get it to one point.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on October 31, 2020, 05:28:37 PM
f**k it anyway

Got back from 15 down at half time to level and then lost it by a point

Dillon makes such a difference

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2020, 05:32:58 PM
Jesus! Kilkenny held on in the end
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on October 31, 2020, 07:33:38 PM
f**k it anyway

Got back from 15 down at half time to level and then lost it by a point

Dillon makes such a difference

He was excelllent. Don't know why Rushe started. Was very rusty.  Reid is the best hurler ever. He's operating on another planet.

In saying that, they were lucky to win but Cody will have something to work on this week.  In a way, Mattie will have something to work on also. Maybe if Dublin have a bit more belief.  I thought they'd have started the game quicker, after last weeks game, but they were sluggish enough.

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: imtommygunn on October 31, 2020, 07:43:26 PM
Wexford don’t look great.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: hardstation on October 31, 2020, 07:45:55 PM
Wexford don’t look great.
Offering absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on October 31, 2020, 07:50:20 PM
Wexford very poor indeed.

They just couldn't get their running game going. Galway are excellent. Very well organised and a good range of scorers.

Fintan Burke and Concannon have been excellent.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on October 31, 2020, 08:24:42 PM
Limerick and Galway the clear standouts so far

Tipp will have something to say about that tomorrow

Hard to see beyond those three despite Waterford's welcome return to form today

I doubt will Davy stay in Wexford unless they recover to make the All-Ireland final at least, they held the county final in Wexford as far back as August 23rd and it was all for naught

Shane O'Neill looks like a very astute appointment by Galway

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: imtommygunn on October 31, 2020, 08:47:15 PM
Davy looks to me to be someone with a shortish lifespan so maybe that has expired. He has done well there though.

Yep limerick, tipp and Galway the three to catch so far assuming tipp are what they were.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on October 31, 2020, 09:25:05 PM
Jesus! Kilkenny held on in the end
Very sloppy of them to let Dublin back in
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on October 31, 2020, 11:29:18 PM
Davy looks to me to be someone with a shortish lifespan so maybe that has expired. He has done well there though.

Yep limerick, tipp and Galway the three to catch so far assuming tipp are what they were.
I wouldn’t be putting ourselves up on any pedestal just yet.  Yes, good win this evening but it has to be viewed in the context of the the opposition and Wexford were very poor.  They hardly raised a gallop and their second half performance was abysmal IMO.  KK will be a different animal altogether despite their scare in the earlier game this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 05:03:51 PM
That’s horrendous weather!!

Certainly the worst I’ve see
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 05:10:43 PM
How many steps for Gearoid Hegarty take and get away with?
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: didlyi on November 01, 2020, 07:33:50 PM
Tipp and Cork beaten in Munster and Kilkenny brought to a point by Dublin. It wasnt long since that would have been seen as a major shakeup in the hurling championship. Times they are a changing.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2020, 08:00:09 PM
Tipp and Cork beaten in Munster and Kilkenny brought to a point by Dublin. It wasnt long since that would have been seen as a major shakeup in the hurling championship. Times they are a changing.
KK haven't managed to regain the standards of the glory days. Cork haven't won for 15 years. Tipp may have peaked.

The firm won 1 of the last 3
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on November 02, 2020, 09:16:06 AM
Tipp and Cork beaten in Munster and Kilkenny brought to a point by Dublin. It wasnt long since that would have been seen as a major shakeup in the hurling championship. Times they are a changing.
KK haven't managed to regain the standards of the glory days. Cork haven't won for 15 years. Tipp may have peaked.

The firm won 1 of the last 3

Jaysus, Limerick were impressive in a different way again yesterday, they made less mistakes than Tipp who are known as a great team of stylish hurlers in horrendous conditions and then spring lads from the bench without breaking stride.

They'll take some beating this championship although Galway look better placed than most to do it but seeing that Fintan Burke hurt the shoulder and the other two Burkes might not make the Leinster Final they might do well to get passed Kilkenny who still favour the old punt into TJ Reid and co.

Its between those three IMO although Tipp might regroup in the qualifiers but games week on week could take their toll on those aging legs. Waterford could spring a surprise yet, but not in the Munster final.

Davy is paving his path out of Wexford, Cork, I don't know where to being, they're just meh at the minute and will need a favourable draw of Clare, Laois or Dublin(even that would be tight) to prolong their stay in the championship.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on November 02, 2020, 09:59:44 AM
Kilkenny have to be respected based on pedigree alone and they could pull a big performance out of the bag somewhere along the line but ultimately I think they're limited enough and that will be exposed

Tipp can't deal with Limerick at all, that's the second year in a row Limerick have essentially routed them

Tipp got a soft enough All-Ireland last year in truth, they beat Laois, Wexford and Kilkenny in the knockout rounds and didn't have to deal with Limerick or Galway

Wouldn't put it past them to still make the final but it's hard to see them beat Limerick

Dublin play Cork next weekend in the qualifiers - Cork were very bad against Waterford and something appears wrong there - despite losing to Kilkenny on Saturday, Dublin should come out of the game with the firm knowledge that they can play, and they have really good competitive hurling under their belts already

Dublin have never beaten Cork in either my lifetime or my father's lifetime, I think they might beat them this time - it'll be Dublin's third week in a row playing - to reach the All-Ireland final, they'd have to play for six weeks in a row

Back in 2013, Dublin played the best hurling I've ever seen from a Dublin team when playing five weeks in a row

There's a possible path to the semi-finals opening up here I think

If Dublin beat Cork, the next round would be against either Wexford or Tipp

I'd fancy us against Wexford but not Tipp

Then get Waterford in the quarter-finals in week 5, definitely would be winnable

At this stage a Limerick-Galway final looks short odds
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Post by: seafoid on November 02, 2020, 10:55:33 AM
Kilkenny have to be respected based on pedigree alone and they could pull a big performance out of the bag somewhere along the line but ultimately I think they're limited enough and that will be exposed

Tipp can't deal with Limerick at all, that's the second year in a row Limerick have essentially routed them

Tipp got a soft enough All-Ireland last year in truth, they beat Laois, Wexford and Kilkenny in the knockout rounds and didn't have to deal with Limerick or Galway

Wouldn't put it past them to still make the final but it's hard to see them beat Limerick

Dublin play Cork next weekend in the qualifiers - Cork were very bad against Waterford and something appears wrong there - despite losing to Kilkenny on Saturday, Dublin should come out of the game with the firm knowledge that they can play, and they have really good competitive hurling under their belts already

Dublin have never beaten Cork in either my lifetime or my father's lifetime, I think they might beat them this time - it'll be Dublin's third week in a row playing - to reach the All-Ireland final, they'd have to play for six weeks in a row

Back in 2013, Dublin played the best hurling I've ever seen from a Dublin team when playing five weeks in a row

There's a possible path to the semi-finals opening up here I think

If Dublin beat Cork, the next round would be against either Wexford or Tipp

I'd fancy us against Wexford but not Tipp

Then get Waterford in the quarter-finals in week 5, definitely would be winnable

At this stage a Limerick-Galway final looks short odds
Tipp haven't won 2 in a row since the 60s. Limerick and Galway seem to be the front runners but it's like a soccer tournament this year over 6 or 7 weeks.
Injuries will be v important. There could be a few surprises.
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Post by: Ash Smoker on November 02, 2020, 12:42:43 PM
Even though the final last year was Tipp vs Kilkenny, I can't help feeling that Limerick were the best team in the country. They'll take some stopping this year.
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Post by: johnnycool on November 02, 2020, 01:01:03 PM
The draw has been made;

SHC Qualifier Round 1
Dublin v Cork
Laois v Clare

SHC Qualifier Round 2
Wexford v Round 1 winner
Tipperary v Round 1 winner

Neutral venues I presume, Dublin will fancy a crack at Cork and might just do it.

Clare will be favourites for the other game, but they'll need one of Peter Duggan or John Conlan to have a focal point in their attack as those other nippy forwards need a foil to get going.

Tipp will be happy with the weeks break and so will wee Davy.
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Post by: imtommygunn on November 02, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
Dublin Cork should be interesting.

I still think Cork, or moreso Horgan, will maybe put Dublin away but it would be good to see the likes of Dublin push on through a bit.

Clare must be very frustrating to support. They have huge talent in there but they just haven't seemed to get it together for a good number of years. In saying that they should have too much for Laois. If they were to beat Laois and got Wexford they could maybe get through round 2 as well. (Likewise dublin cork winners unless there is a big improvement in Wexford).

I wouldn't expect any of the round 1 winners to beat Tipp though didn't see their game yesterday so I'm less sure what they're made of this year.
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Post by: seafoid on November 03, 2020, 10:59:37 AM
The draw has been made;

SHC Qualifier Round 1
Dublin v Cork
Laois v Clare

SHC Qualifier Round 2
Wexford v Round 1 winner
Tipperary v Round 1 winner

Neutral venues I presume, Dublin will fancy a crack at Cork and might just do it.

Clare will be favourites for the other game, but they'll need one of Peter Duggan or John Conlan to have a focal point in their attack as those other nippy forwards need a foil to get going.

Tipp will be happy with the weeks break and so will wee Davy.
The Dubs are missing natural forwards.
Great to see Laois in the mix. Would love to see Antrim playing at this level.
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Post by: johnnycool on November 03, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
Tom Semples field for Cork and Dublin (3.45), but Nowlan Park for Laois v Clare (1.15).

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Post by: seafoid on November 07, 2020, 02:25:57 PM
Clare were pulling away .7 ahead then had a player sent off
Laois are flying now
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 02:58:16 PM
Clare were pulling away .7 ahead then had a player sent off
Laois are flying now

Laois very unlucky today!!
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Post by: sid waddell on November 07, 2020, 05:03:51 PM
This is pure cat from Dublin, and not in the Kilkenny sense

Some of the lads must have been up all night the last few nights watching the election

Playing like it anyway

This is going to be a red victory over blue
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Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 06:41:56 PM
This is pure cat from Dublin, and not in the Kilkenny sense

Some of the lads must have been up all night the last few nights watching the election

Playing like it anyway

This is going to be a red victory over blue

Poor enough from Dublin.  Never looked like closing that 4/5 pts gap at any stage.  Cork just kept them at arms length through the game.

Regards Cork, hard to know. Still not convinced by them, although the performance had to be upped from the Waterford game.
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Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2020, 09:04:42 AM
Tipp v Cork
Wex v Clare

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Post by: imtommygunn on November 09, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
Interesting draw. Tipp, almost, Cork always a good one.

Davy against Clare too makes it interesting. Tipp favourites and maybe Wexford. I'd expect Tipp to win but Wexford Clare is tough to call. I'd say maybe Wexford to win.

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Post by: seafoid on November 09, 2020, 09:38:25 AM
This is pure cat from Dublin, and not in the Kilkenny sense

Some of the lads must have been up all night the last few nights watching the election

Playing like it anyway

This is going to be a red victory over blue
Poor enough season for Dublin
Laois made more progress.
Poor enough from Dublin.  Never looked like closing that 4/5 pts gap at any stage.  Cork just kept them at arms length through the game.

Regards Cork, hard to know. Still not convinced by them, although the performance had to be upped from the Waterford game.
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Post by: seafoid on November 09, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
Even though the final last year was Tipp vs Kilkenny, I can't help feeling that Limerick were the best team in the country. They'll take some stopping this year.
Last year KK took Limerick out and made it an easy enough final for Tipp
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2020, 11:05:56 AM
If one of Tipp Limerick or Galway take their eyes off the prize then Kilkenny will do a number on these teams should they meet before the final, its whether or not Kilkenny have two games in them ... Cork have the ability to sink a team but I'm not sure if Cork have everyone available or firing on all cylinders..

It's Limericks to lose, Tipp to bounce back and Galway the dark horse
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Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2020, 12:26:06 PM
If one of Tipp Limerick or Galway take their eyes off the prize then Kilkenny will do a number on these teams should they meet before the final, its whether or not Kilkenny have two games in them ... Cork have the ability to sink a team but I'm not sure if Cork have everyone available or firing on all cylinders..

It's Limericks to lose, Tipp to bounce back and Galway the dark horse

Cork won't be able to handle the physicality of the likes of Limerick, Galway or even Kilkenny, especially their defence. They might give Tipp a rattle though if it's an open enough game. Would still see the Tipp forwards troubling the scoreboard more though. Cork haven't found that balance yet.

I can see Wexford beating Clare alright as Clare haven't clicked and don't look like doing so, but no matter what both will have a short championship, if not this weekend, then the next.

Waterford need to be able to repeat those performances but it'll be in a quarterfinal they'll have to produce it again probably against Tipp or Wexford. Then we'll know what we're looking at with them.

Currently for me the AI is between Galway and Limerick with dogged Kilkenny next in the mix.


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Post by: imtommygunn on November 09, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
You'd imagine Limerick would be prepped for KK this year if they came at them like that though like you guys say they have something in them. They are probably just not quite strong enough so everything needs to line up - e.g.a sending off and they are toast as they can not play with that intensity.

If there's anything in Cork it'll come out against Tipp so that one will be interesting to see. They are a county that comes out of nowhere every once in a while.
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Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2020, 01:26:31 PM
You'd imagine Limerick would be prepped for KK this year if they came at them like that though like you guys say they have something in them. They are probably just not quite strong enough so everything needs to line up - e.g.a sending off and they are toast as they can not play with that intensity.

If there's anything in Cork it'll come out against Tipp so that one will be interesting to see. They are a county that comes out of nowhere every once in a while.

Cork haven't produced a mushroom hurler in quite a while although Mark Landers on a podcast was looking for Niall Cashman thrown in on the back of his club performances and also to put a bit more bite into their defending which is pretty passive and with Sean O'Donoghue missing it seems they'll need someone else to fill that sticky corner back role he's very good at.
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Post by: sid waddell on November 09, 2020, 01:42:15 PM
Tipp v Cork
Wex v Clare
Good draw for Wexford, just what they need to get back on the horse

Clare look like they're going nowhere and I don't think Brian Lohan will last that long there

Can see the winners of these two games taking out the defeated provincial finalists, which I expect will be Waterford and Kilkenny
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Post by: up the rovers on November 12, 2020, 06:48:15 PM
Tipp v Cork
Wex v Clare
Good draw for Wexford, just what they need to get back on the horse

Clare look like they're going nowhere and I don't think Brian Lohan will last that long there

Can see the winners of these two games taking out the defeated provincial finalists, which I expect will be Waterford and Kilkenny

I agree about Wexford. Davy should have the inside track on the Clare players and they haven't looked good since the restart.
Cork v Tipp will be very interesting. Normally I would think Tipp have too much but Cork were very good the last day out, could be an upset here with the All Ireland champs going out.
As for the provincial finals like everyone else I think Limerick look just too strong for Waterford.
As for Leinster, no man ever got rich betting against Kilkenny, Cody will find a way.
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Post by: sid waddell on November 14, 2020, 03:26:47 PM
Well it looks like strawberries can't survive in the winter

Wexford have fallen flat on their face and are 10 down to Clare inside the last 10 minutes

Davy is surely coming to the end of the road

Could see Eddie Brennan taking over for next year
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Post by: hardstation on November 14, 2020, 03:41:42 PM
Down & Offaly gone to penalties!  :o
Offaly stole a draw in injury time of extra time.
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Post by: sid waddell on November 14, 2020, 03:47:12 PM
Clare 1-21 Wexford 0-17 FT

Tony Kelly scored 1-15

Wexford's loss to Tipperary last year really does stick out as a terrible missed opportunity the further away it from we get

Think there will be a lot of dissent down there especially after what happened with the club championship - Davy made a rod for his own back by insisting it finish so early - you can get away with that if you perform in the championship but it's been a real disaster for Wexford

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Post by: SHEEDY on November 14, 2020, 03:53:15 PM
Unreal win for down. Beat offaly 3-2 on penalties. No one had gave them a chance. Brillant performance.
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Post by: hardstation on November 14, 2020, 03:53:43 PM
That’s mental! Well done Down!!
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Post by: sid waddell on November 14, 2020, 03:54:28 PM
The wee six is hurling country now
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Post by: marty34 on November 14, 2020, 03:59:18 PM
Clare 1-21 Wexford 0-17 FT

Tony Kelly scored 1-15

Wexford's loss to Tipperary last year really does stick out as a terrible missed opportunity the further away it from we get

Think there will be a lot of dissent down there especially after what happened with the club championship - Davy made a rod for his own back by insisting it finish so early - you can get away with that if you perform in the championship but it's been a real disaster for Wexford

Tony Kelly is some hurler.  3 unreal points in the first half.

All nailed on already.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 04:03:06 PM
Another year for Offaly in the Christy Ring Cup after losing to Down on penalties today in the Christy Ring Cup semi final.
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Post by: sid waddell on November 14, 2020, 04:32:04 PM
Cork are liking this and Tipp aren't liking it at all

Rebels point up against a strong breeze with six or seven minutes left to half-time

Smashing goal by Horgan but the Tipp defence went to sleep
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Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2020, 04:44:45 PM
Unreal win for down. Beat offaly 3-2 on penalties. No one had gave them a chance. Brillant performance.
Fantastic result for Down
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Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2020, 04:45:57 PM
Tipp v Cork
Wex v Clare
Good draw for Wexford, just what they need to get back on the horse

Clare look like they're going nowhere and I don't think Brian Lohan will last that long there

Can see the winners of these two games taking out the defeated provincial finalists, which I expect will be Waterford and Kilkenny
Wexford have been very disappointing. They never kicked on from last year
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2020, 05:36:13 PM
One burst of scores and that’s that
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Post by: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 05:36:42 PM
Goals won that game for Tipperary.
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Post by: imtommygunn on November 14, 2020, 05:41:07 PM
Down beat Offaly on penalties in the Christy ring. That’s unexpected.
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Post by: up the rovers on November 14, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
Tipp did well to hang in there against the wind, goals made the difference alright. Im not sure if three weeks on the trot was too much for Cork but they really didn't kick on in the second half
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Post by: up the rovers on November 14, 2020, 05:44:47 PM
Down beat Offaly on penalties in the Christy ring. That’s unexpected.
Unexpected but great to see. Well played Down. Feel slightly for Offaly as they would be my favourite county outside Antrim. Another year in the Christy Ring for Offaly, will Fennelly stay on?
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 14, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
Down beat Offaly on penalties in the Christy ring. That’s unexpected.
Unexpected but great to see. Well played Down. Feel slightly for Offaly as they would be my favourite county outside Antrim. Another year in the Christy Ring for Offaly, will Fennelly stay on?

Well done Down! Sad to see one of the recent top counties in Hurling falling down the pecking order.  I suppose Leinster hurling won't be to worried, they have Galway and Dublin to keep the interest afloat!
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Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2020, 06:42:02 PM
One burst of scores and that’s that
The last 5 minutes . It's the same in every sport
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Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2020, 07:01:35 PM
Down beat Offaly on penalties in the Christy ring. That’s unexpected.
Unexpected but great to see. Well played Down. Feel slightly for Offaly as they would be my favourite county outside Antrim. Another year in the Christy Ring for Offaly, will Fennelly stay on?
Offaly have to hurl.their way back..
I would love to see Down win the final.
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Post by: sid waddell on November 14, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
The curse of Galway goalkeepers strikes again

What on earth are they doing back there

30 seconds of madness
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Post by: imtommygunn on November 14, 2020, 07:40:25 PM
What is that goalie at.

Canning has as good vision as you would ever see.

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Post by: sid waddell on November 14, 2020, 07:40:49 PM
Richie Hogan just missed an open goal

Galway's goalkeeper and full back line have gone full Brazil 1 Germany 7

Galway will be very, very annoyed if they lose this
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Post by: sid waddell on November 14, 2020, 07:51:09 PM
Pure instinct from the Cats, pure tradition

Galway just stopped

A game Galway were well in control of

Throws the championship wide open now, Limerick and Galway almost certainly can't meet in the final - but with the way Galway folded in the last 15 minutes there, you'd have to question are they contenders at all now

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Post by: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 07:51:44 PM
16th Leinster title in 22 years. Cody some man for one man.
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Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2020, 07:51:53 PM
Richie Hogan just missed an open goal

Galway's goalkeeper and full back line have gone full Brazil 1 Germany 7

Galway will be very, very annoyed if they lose this

Very sloppy.
Subsequent developments show that beating Wexford was not much use as experience.
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Post by: imtommygunn on November 14, 2020, 07:52:53 PM
I only saw the last fifteen but Galway were rubbish. Can’t see them challenging limerick.
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 14, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
Richie Hogan just missed an open goal

Galway's goalkeeper and full back line have gone full Brazil 1 Germany 7

Galway will be very, very annoyed if they lose this

Very sloppy.
Subsequent developments show that beating Wexford was not much use as experience.

Galway snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Post by: SHEEDY on November 14, 2020, 07:56:29 PM
Galway looked comfortable for 3/4's of that match. A minute of madness cost them, they never hurled at all in last 10 minutes.
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Post by: sid waddell on November 14, 2020, 07:58:26 PM
There's something that feels very right about Kilkenny getting the Bob O'Keeffe Cup in front of an empty Croke Park

The way it's meant to be, as it was for so many years

A tremendous feeling of constancy about it, consistency in a world gone mad

The four year famine is over
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Post by: gallsman on November 14, 2020, 08:01:59 PM
Only caught about 15 mins of Tipp-Cork and the second half of the Leinster final but those looked to be two fabulous matches. Serious standard of hurling for mid November.

KK very impressive after twice coming back when it looked like Galway were pulling away. Hogan still absolutely magical. The improvisation for the goal was sensational.
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Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2020, 08:03:01 PM
There's something that feels very right about Kilkenny getting the Bob O'Keeffe Cup in front of an empty Croke Park

The way it's meant to be, as it was for so many years

A tremendous feeling of constancy about it, consistency in a world gone mad

The four year famine is over
The only currency in kilkenny is celtic crosses.
The best or nothing
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Post by: up the rovers on November 14, 2020, 08:05:09 PM
Serious collapse from Galway. As i said earlier never bet against Cody/Kilkenny. How they won that god only knows. Fancy a Limerick v Kilkenny final now. We will see how tomorrow goes but Limerick have been by far the most impressive team so far.
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Post by: GaillimhIarthair on November 14, 2020, 08:31:08 PM
Galway threw that game away in 2 absolute mins of madness - 5 up and well in control and threw it away. Might be a blessing in disguise in the long run. A win would have glossed over a few positional issues.  Team and management will be rightly sickened this evening though.
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Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2020, 08:48:15 PM
Small margins though

Another day Lawlor would have been sent off or Canning would have scored a goal
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Post by: mouview on November 14, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
I only saw the last fifteen but Galway were rubbish. Can’t see them challenging limerick.

KK were rubbish up to that and you think they will?
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Post by: imtommygunn on November 14, 2020, 09:22:59 PM
Didn’t say that! Tbh maybe harsh as didn’t see the full game but just expected a lot more from Galway. Maybe they’ll improve yet.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 10:44:38 AM
Watched first ten minutes, recorded it and watched it later on, after a couple bottles of wine and two espresso martinis! Will watch it again  ;D

But the funny thing was, I was texted the result and even though I was watching the match knowing the result I couldn’t understand how they lost that game! Galway were head and shoulders the better team, and collapsed!

Momentum is incredible, hard to stop impossible to break late on. Hats off to Kilkenny and Cody, Richies goal was unreal.
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Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 15, 2020, 11:45:49 AM
Watched first ten minutes, recorded it and watched it later on, after a couple bottles of wine and two espresso martinis! Will watch it again  ;D

But the funny thing was, I was texted the result and even though I was watching the match knowing the result I couldn’t understand how they lost that game! Galway were head and shoulders the better team, and collapsed!

Momentum is incredible, hard to stop impossible to break late on. Hats off to Kilkenny and Cody, Richies goal was unreal.

Slack as the back. Hogan unmarked few times and should have had another
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Post by: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 12:55:04 PM
Kilkenny just hung in there, as normal.  You know what you get with them. Great credit to Cody.  They are using the short puck out a lot more, a bit wobbly at times but they kept at it.  Dodgy in the full back line though but didn't concede a goal last night but you think back to the Dublin game.

Galway always looked in control and a bit more dangerous up top but couldn't get a goal.

Joe missed a crucial free or 65 near the end which would've closed the gap.  Small margins.  Thing is Galway only have a week to prepare, and if they win that, then only another week.


Walsh and Fennelly were very quiet last night.  Cody showed very well in the first half but can't see Walsh and Fennelly being as quiet again, that also goes for T.J., from open play but the magic at the ends sums him up.

Waterford should battle hard V Limerick today but Limerick will be hard to stop. A team for all weathers!
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
Waterford not going away..

Some wayward shooting with the wind
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on November 15, 2020, 05:46:27 PM
Great work rate from Waterford but Limerick just keep to the plan and keep chipping away.
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Post by: imtommygunn on November 15, 2020, 05:48:45 PM
They do come across as a “stick to the process” kind of team.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:53:47 PM
They do come across as a “stick to the process” kind of team.

I suppose it’s a tried and tested process that gets results. When players step away from it (like Limerick did for a bit) the other team gets a foothold in the game. The wayward shooting from distance built up their wide count
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Post by: johnnycool on November 16, 2020, 09:04:14 AM
Galway looked comfortable for 3/4's of that match. A minute of madness cost them, they never hurled at all in last 10 minutes.

Daithi Burke lost a bit of concentration for one of the goals and the keeper whilst too rash to come out needed to come out with a bit of purpose and take the man as well as the ball and didn't take either and kinda jumped out of the challenge. He needs to be braver in those situations. His puck outs are like arrows though!

Galway will be kicking themselves, the better team over the 70 minutes but giving soft frees kept Kilkenny in it. Refs are picking up on the spare arm tugs. Once Kilkenny went with TJ Reid and Hogan in the FF line, big McInerney or Harte should have dropped in there to sweep as it was pretty obvious what Kilkenny were going to do and it worked like a dream for them.
If the two are to meet again this year then I'd fancy Galway but they now have to get over Limerick to do that and that's where the real battle lies ahead.
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Post by: johnnycool on November 16, 2020, 09:14:15 AM
Down beat Offaly on penalties in the Christy ring. That’s unexpected.
Unexpected but great to see. Well played Down. Feel slightly for Offaly as they would be my favourite county outside Antrim. Another year in the Christy Ring for Offaly, will Fennelly stay on?

Fennelly and his expensive enough backroom team..

Great win for Down and I'd be a liar if I said it was expected but the split of the season has meant that lads who otherwise couldn't commit to hurl for both now can, the likes of Conor Woods in at centre back makes a huge difference to Down this year. Coupled with the fact most of these lads came off the back of a tight club championship campaign of 5/6 weeks of competitive hurling on the bounce took them straight into a league win over Derry and then to beat Derry a few weeks later again in the CR was a huge monkey off their backs.

Didn't get to see the game but my man in the stand on the mic reckons it was no fluke and if anything Offaly were the ones lucky to get the draw at the end of normal time.
Wee Keith is a good penalty stopper. He's saved a few against us in the championship this year and last with big Magic firing them at him, so the Down lads were confident enough when it went to penalties.

Kildare next up, a win would be nice but both are promoted to the Joe McDonagh for next year.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on November 16, 2020, 10:48:39 AM
Tipp v Galway
Clare v Waterford

All getting tight now with straight knockout.

Tipp v Galway, I'd be inclined to go for Galway based on 50 plus minutes of the Leinster final, but Tipp will have seen enough in the last quarter to have a serious chance. Big mental test for Galway.

Waterford will go into this game as favourites, Clare showed a bit more against Wexford and are improving per game, Tony Kelly is unplayable at the minute, but so is Tadgh DeBurca IMO. Two serious talents but Waterford to shade this one IMO.

Conlon and Duggan seem to be gone for the year, big loss to Clare.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2020, 12:02:04 PM
Galway threw that game away in 2 absolute mins of madness - 5 up and well in control and threw it away. Might be a blessing in disguise in the long run. A win would have glossed over a few positional issues.  Team and management will be rightly sickened this evening though.
It was the indiscipline that lost the match. Handing soft frees to KK is pointless
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: mouview on November 16, 2020, 12:26:59 PM
Galway threw that game away in 2 absolute mins of madness - 5 up and well in control and threw it away. Might be a blessing in disguise in the long run. A win would have glossed over a few positional issues.  Team and management will be rightly sickened this evening though.
It was the indiscipline that lost the match. Handing soft frees to KK is pointless

A pointer for Shane O'Neill to pick more specialised defenders for the next day.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: imtommygunn on November 16, 2020, 09:55:12 PM
Only saw highlights of the Clare game there. Tony Kelly is some operator.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 17, 2020, 10:12:20 AM
 https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/hayes-expects-changes-in-galway-squad-after-shock-defeat-1.4410955
Former Galway forward Damien Hayes says he expects Shane O’Neill to make changes for Saturday’s All-Ireland quarter-final against Tipperary, after the Tribesmen “blew it” in last weekend’s Leinster final.

Galway lost out to Kilkenny by two points having led by five with 15 minutes remaining, and Hayes thinks the defeat could affect confidence levels in the camp ahead of their knockout clash with Tipp.

“It will be interesting to see if losing the Leinster final will drain Galway’s confidence. You have to be straight about things . . . Galway blew that match against Kilkenny,” said Hayes, who played 14 years of inter-county hurling for Galway.

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Ash Smoker on November 17, 2020, 12:47:28 PM
Galway at 11/10 has to be great value. I don't think Tipp are going well at all.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on November 17, 2020, 04:52:04 PM
Galway at 11/10 has to be great value. I don't think Tipp are going well at all.

Some big names not firing for Tipp indeed. If Galway can get a lot more clinical and bag a few goals then they'll win this one. Jake Morris will take some watching all the same.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 18, 2020, 07:38:23 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1117/1178665-davy-i-dont-hate-ger-loughnane-i-feel-sorry-for-him/

Fitzgerald's former manager with Clare, Ger Loughnane, was critical in his newspaper column and the Wexford manager dismissed his views as irrelevant, in his opinion.

"He wouldn't really be up with what's going on in the GAA world, in my view," said Fitzgerald on South East Radio.

"My honest opinion is  I feel a bit sorry for him. Ger isn't involved with any clubs. He hasn't been involved with anyone since he went to Galway and did not have a good time. He actually couldn't read a game. If you read any of his articles, he can't read the game. He doesn't see what is going on," he added.

"I don't hate Ger Loughnane. I feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on November 18, 2020, 08:59:24 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1117/1178665-davy-i-dont-hate-ger-loughnane-i-feel-sorry-for-him/

Fitzgerald's former manager with Clare, Ger Loughnane, was critical in his newspaper column and the Wexford manager dismissed his views as irrelevant, in his opinion.

"He wouldn't really be up with what's going on in the GAA world, in my view," said Fitzgerald on South East Radio.

"My honest opinion is  I feel a bit sorry for him. Ger isn't involved with any clubs. He hasn't been involved with anyone since he went to Galway and did not have a good time. He actually couldn't read a game. If you read any of his articles, he can't read the game. He doesn't see what is going on," he added.

"I don't hate Ger Loughnane. I feel sorry for him.

Davy can't help himself at times. Sometimes it's better to turn the mic off
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: CitySlicker11 on November 18, 2020, 09:19:32 AM
what is the story with Clare's absentees? are both guys injured?
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on November 18, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
what is the story with Clare's absentees? are both guys injured?

duggan is in Australia it seems and Conlon is coming back from injury and only doing non contact training with the squad it seems.

Both a huge loss to Clare
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 19, 2020, 09:31:00 AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-water-breaks-making-hurling-a-game-of-four-quarters-1.4413006
GAA statistics: Water breaks making hurling a game of four quarters
Team in ascendancy either side of the stoppages has consistently changed this year
about 3 hours ago

Eamon Donoghue

 
Waterford and Limerick were level heading into the first and second half water breaks in Sunday’s Munster hurling final.

The Déise had outscored Limerick 0-3 to 0-1 in the five minutes prior to both. The play was halted for two minutes for the first stoppage for H20, and for two minutes and 29 seconds for the second. They went on to lose the final quarter of both halves, 0-7 to 0-4, and 0-7 to 0-3. Outscored in the initial five minutes of each quarter – 0-2 to 0-0 in both.

Waterford will argue the speed and intensity they were bringing was diminished by the halts in play, but regardless of whether or not the end result would’ve been any different, the two breaks did alter the game’s momentum. Coming right in the middle of both halves, how could it not.

The GAA’s Covid-19 match regulations allow for a one-minute break midway through each half as to avoid players sharing water bottles during the match. The question is, what effect has this new and necessary rule had on the hurling championship thus far?

There’s been 12 championship hurling matches to date in 2020, meaning 24 water breaks in total. For only seven of the 24, the team who won the five minutes before a water break maintained their superiority to win the first five minutes after the break. And on the same number of occasions the team who won the five minutes prior to the water break won the rest of the half. So, lots of momentum swings.

There’s been 13 examples of momentum swings either side of a water break so far in the hurling championship. In 10 of the 12 matches
In the Leinster final, Galway had won the five minutes prior to the second water break 0-3 to 0-0. Kilkenny hadn’t scored in 13 minutes. The teams gathered along the sideline with their coaches, took their break and assessed. Brian Cody team’s went out and scored 2-1 to Galway’s 0-2. That five-minute spell sent them on their way to what just minutes earlier had appeared such an unlikely victory.

Similarly Wexford in their qualifier defeat to Clare – they’d scored five of the six points before the second-half water break. Yet Clare came out and won the following five-minute period 1-1 to 0-2 en route to a seven-point victory.

Cork were gathering a degree of momentum against Tipperary, outscoring the reigning All-Ireland champions 0-3 to 0-1 approaching the second break for water. After the two teams convened by the dugouts and returned to their positions, Tipp’s two point-lead was quickly doubled as they outscored the Rebels 1-5 to 0-6 on the home stretch.

That’s all four matches from last weekend's hurling action. In total there’s been 13 examples of momentum swings either side of a water break so far in this year's championship. In 10 of the 12 matches.


In the round one qualifier encounter between Cork and Dublin, Mattie Kenny’s team outscored Cork 0-2 to 0-1 in the five minutes before the first-half water break. However, in the quarter which followed Cork doubled their lead, giving them a six-point advantage which they would maintain until the final whistle.

Earlier in the provincial championships, Clare were in the ascendancy 0-9 to 0-7 at the first water break against Limerick. They had registered 0-3 to Limerick’s 0-2 in the five minutes before the pause in play to rehydrate. But the Treaty County outscored Clare 0-2 to 0-0 in the following five minutes, and went on to win the three remaining quarters to claim victory by 10 points.

In their 13 point Leinster semi-final defeat, Wexford won both five-minute periods before the two water breaks. However, in the two five-minute periods which followed they were outscored by Galway, by a combined 0-5 to 0-1. That was one of only two games so far when both teams involved failed to each win at least one quarter. The other was Limerick’s win against Tipperary.

Games are now swinging back and forth far more frequently than we have seen in previous years. Despite several comfortable winning margins, no team has won every quarter thus far. Galway have come closest, losing only one - the final quarter against Kilkenny. Decisively.

For the likes of Limerick last weekend, who found themselves on the back foot during a key stage of the game - in the very heart of the half when the match was really opening up - the new rules give them a two-minute (or more) breather. A reset, and a chance to get the tactics board out to figure out what had gone wrong and address it immediately. How well they use the time afforded is up to them.

Hurling has become a game of four quarters, and respective managers of the six remaining teams are no doubt planning accordingly. Momentum is less of a factor, and the concept of starting and finishing a half strongly now applies twice as often and as much.

The crucial quarter so far this winter has been the second. In nine of 12 matches the team who wins the quarter before half-time goes on to win the match. Only once has an eventual winner lost the second quarter. The next most important quarter has proven to be the first, with seven teams winning it and subsequently winning the match. Only six – that’s half – of the eventual winners won the final quarter, while even less (four) won the third.

Similarly, in nine of the 12 matches the team who went on to win the game won the five-minute period after the first water break.

The goalposts have been moved for the 2020 hurling championship. So teams now need to maximise the four breaks, and target the new key periods in the match. For one year only.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 20, 2020, 12:31:59 AM
Even though the final last year was Tipp vs Kilkenny, I can't help feeling that Limerick were the best team in the country. They'll take some stopping this year.
They will indeed but I'll break into the confirmation money if Galway pull it off.  ;D
Like 100% of Mayo fans, I hate them heron chokers where the big ball is concerned but 95% of us will roar on Joe Canning & Co.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: clonadmad on November 20, 2020, 08:16:31 AM
Limerick lost 3 championship games in 2019

Hardly makes them the best team of 2019

They look to be a different proposition this year and winning the provincial crown gives them and KK an advantage this year which in other years would be a hindrance.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on November 20, 2020, 09:48:42 AM
Limerick lost 3 championship games in 2019

Hardly makes them the best team of 2019

They look to be a different proposition this year and winning the provincial crown gives them and KK an advantage this year which in other years would be a hindrance.

My money is on a Waterford v KK semi-final with Waterford coming out on top on a dry sod in Croke Park.

The other is Galway v Limerick and as TJ Ryan says, that one is like a deaf dog, hard to call but the eventual AI winner comes out of it.


Down in the CR final this weekend, after beating Offaly, they'll be hot favourites and that has never been something a Down team has been used to.

The Joe Mcdonagh final must be the following week, Antrim v either Kerry or Carlow with both duking it out for the chance to play in the final.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: up the rovers on November 20, 2020, 05:57:44 PM
Limerick lost 3 championship games in 2019

Hardly makes them the best team of 2019

They look to be a different proposition this year and winning the provincial crown gives them and KK an advantage this year which in other years would be a hindrance.

My money is on a Waterford v KK semi-final with Waterford coming out on top on a dry sod in Croke Park.

The other is Galway v Limerick and as TJ Ryan says, that one is like a deaf dog, hard to call but the eventual AI winner comes out of it.


Down in the CR final this weekend, after beating Offaly, they'll be hot favourites and that has never been something a Down team has been used to.

The Joe Mcdonagh final must be the following week, Antrim v either Kerry or Carlow with both duking it out for the chance to play in the final.

The Joe McDonagh final is the curtain raiser for the All Ireland final in December, I suspect it will be Antrim v Carlow but who knows. As for this weekend I am tipping Galway and for no good reason Clare. Given the quality of my tipping Waterford and Tipperary folk will be happy enough!
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Capt Pat on November 21, 2020, 01:42:39 PM
Limerick lost 3 championship games in 2019

Hardly makes them the best team of 2019

They look to be a different proposition this year and winning the provincial crown gives them and KK an advantage this year which in other years would be a hindrance.

My money is on a Waterford v KK semi-final with Waterford coming out on top on a dry sod in Croke Park.

The other is Galway v Limerick and as TJ Ryan says, that one is like a deaf dog, hard to call but the eventual AI winner comes out of it.


Down in the CR final this weekend, after beating Offaly, they'll be hot favourites and that has never been something a Down team has been used to.

The Joe Mcdonagh final must be the following week, Antrim v either Kerry or Carlow with both duking it out for the chance to play in the final.

The Joe McDonagh final is the curtain raiser for the All Ireland final in December, I suspect it will be Antrim v Carlow but who knows. As for this weekend I am tipping Galway and for no good reason Clare. Given the quality of my tipping Waterford and Tipperary folk will be happy enough!

Tip v Galway looks like being another cliff hanger.

I don't see Clare winning unless Shane O Donnell has a big game. Tony Kelly can't do it all on his own every day.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 01:58:41 PM
That was a very good first half and most importantly it had goals

Galway were the better team for most of it but they go in four points down

I think Tipperary just have the sweetness of execution, an economy, that Galway don't quite have

Tipp had seven or eight minutes of dominance towards the end of the half and boy did they make it count
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2020, 02:03:02 PM
Galway’s insistence of a playing a sweeper in the first half might cost them..

Be an interesting second half if Galway change their tactics
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 21, 2020, 02:16:42 PM
Limerick lost 3 championship games in 2019

Hardly makes them the best team of 2019

They look to be a different proposition this year and winning the provincial crown gives them and KK an advantage this year which in other years would be a hindrance.

My money is on a Waterford v KK semi-final with Waterford coming out on top on a dry sod in Croke Park.

The other is Galway v Limerick and as TJ Ryan says, that one is like a deaf dog, hard to call but the eventual AI winner comes out of it.


Down in the CR final this weekend, after beating Offaly, they'll be hot favourites and that has never been something a Down team has been used to.

The Joe Mcdonagh final must be the following week, Antrim v either Kerry or Carlow with both duking it out for the chance to play in the final.


28/29 November

All-Ireland SHC semi-final (Leinster champion v 1/4 final winner)
Joe McDonagh Round 5
All-Ireland SHC semi-final (Munster champions v 1/4 final winner)
All-Ireland MFC semi-finals
All-Ireland MHC semi-finals

5/6 December

All-Ireland SFC semi-final (Leinster champion v Ulster champion)
All-Ireland SFC semi-final (Connacht champion v Munster champion)
All-Ireland MFC final
All-Ireland MHC final

13 December
All-Ireland SHC final
Joe McDonagh final

19 December
All-Ireland SFC final
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 02:18:50 PM
There's a subtle but significant breeze favouring Galway now

Three points in a row now and they're looking a lot better than they were three minutes ago
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 21, 2020, 02:30:53 PM
Down to 2.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 21, 2020, 02:33:15 PM
Yellow for Barrett - that's two yellows. 

TIPPERARY DOWN TO 14 MEN

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: imtommygunn on November 21, 2020, 02:37:58 PM
I wondered why the capital letters then realised it was copy paste...

These two always have real tight games.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 21, 2020, 02:56:08 PM
Tipp need to rebuild .

They had a bad 2018, won a lucky all Ireland last year with the cats taking out Limerick and now this.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 21, 2020, 03:00:47 PM
The hurling semis are not unlike the football semis. The top 2 play in 1. The final may be uneven.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 03:13:20 PM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2020, 03:25:37 PM
If he hadn’t took him down that was a goal opportunity. Not guaranteed
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on November 21, 2020, 03:34:18 PM
Yeah, soft enough yellow. Reaching over the top while his man reaches for the ball unprotected.

In saying that, that's twice have lost a man in big games, last year's semi-final where they got away with it but not this time.  Down to 14, there was a lot of space which Galway exploited well.  They have pace and power.  Long season for the 2 Mc Graths between hurling and football.  Tipp, as you'd expect, battled gamely but the extra man was tough on their aging limbs in the last 15 mins.

Only concern now is they're only a week to get rested up and get recovered.  They'll take that I'm sure.  Shane O'Neill doing a good job - introducing the young lads sparingly but keeping the energy levels up.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 21, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did

Small margins
That is what hurling has. Football unfortunately does not.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Capt Pat on November 21, 2020, 04:15:57 PM
Tony Kelly carrying an injury which might hurt Clare in the end.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: gallsman on November 21, 2020, 07:55:55 PM
Have been out all day so didn't get chance to see any of this afternoon's game. The one in a row yet again for Tipp.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did

Small margins
That is what hurling has. Football unfortunately does not.
Hmmmmm

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland hurling final was 14 points

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland football final was 0 points

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: imtommygunn on November 21, 2020, 08:47:10 PM
Galway v tipp is always a tight one. I have seen so many great Galway tipp games down the years - always love watching them.

Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: seafoid on November 21, 2020, 08:47:45 PM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did

Small margins
That is what hurling has. Football unfortunately does not.
Hmmmmm

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland hurling final was 14 points

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland football final was 0 points
The plural of anecdote is not data

5 different winners in 6 years suggests a decent spread
5/5 does not
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 08:52:21 PM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did

Small margins
That is what hurling has. Football unfortunately does not.
Hmmmmm

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland hurling final was 14 points

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland football final was 0 points
The plural of anecdote is not data

5 different winners in 6 years suggests a decent spread
5/5 does not
But you were talking about margins

Margins in All-Ireland football finals 2010-2019
1 point
1 point
4 points
1 point
3 points
3 points
0 points (1 point)
1 point
6 points
0 points (6 points)

Kilkenny won 11 out of 16 hurling All-Irelands between 2000 and 2015
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: marty34 on November 21, 2020, 09:23:30 PM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did

Small margins
That is what hurling has. Football unfortunately does not.
Hmmmmm

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland hurling final was 14 points

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland football final was 0 points

I think the point they were trying to make was the recent different winners in the hurling.

Football is all one way traffic recently, and after tonight, for the forseeable it seems!
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2020, 11:15:45 PM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did

Small margins
That is what hurling has. Football unfortunately does not.
Hmmmmm

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland hurling final was 14 points

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland football final was 0 points
The plural of anecdote is not data

5 different winners in 6 years suggests a decent spread
5/5 does not
But you were talking about margins

Margins in All-Ireland football finals 2010-2019
1 point
1 point
4 points
1 point
3 points
3 points
0 points (1 point)
1 point
6 points
0 points (6 points)

Kilkenny won 11 out of 16 hurling All-Irelands between 2000 and 2015

Good mix of winners in last ten years (Clare, Tipp, Limerick, Galway, Kilkenny) this year providing more upsets,  which adds to the excitement. We could use a lot of dates between years to show dominance.


You’ve picked Kilkennys wonder years,  you could also go back to Kerry’s golden years and show dominance in the football like it is now.

If you feel it’s dominated by a single team then you clearly don’t watch enough.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on November 22, 2020, 11:04:17 AM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did

Small margins
That is what hurling has. Football unfortunately does not.
Hmmmmm

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland hurling final was 14 points

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland football final was 0 points

I think the point they were trying to make was the recent different winners in the hurling.

Football is all one way traffic recently, and after tonight, for the forseeable it seems!

Sid has a point though, when Kilkenny were hammering everyone out of sight for most of the 00's and early teens it was problematic for hurling in general. Both Limerick and Waterford were beat in AI finals when the game was over after 15 minutes.
They've fallen a bit but that's maybe because the likes of Galway and Limerick got off their holes and set in motion the processes for them to challenge Kilkenny. Heck, even  Clare won three AI U21's before going onto claim their AI in 2013. They were putting the work in.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 11:20:27 AM
Two games were the finalist were past their best and surprised the other teams in the semi finals... Waterford best team at that time was getting on and Limerick were bate by 7 but had a great semi final.

Kilkenny could have won more but the other teams didn’t lie down, they decided to do something about it...

The gurning about Dublin being unbeatable and the resources blah blah blah, teams are beat before they even start the season ffs!

Cody would still be winning championships if all the other counties took that attitude
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 02:01:52 PM
Galway v Tipp is the best rivalry in hurling

Fantastic game for entertainment - but I don't think it was quite at Limerick's level

Galway really kept the head for the goal, just worked it around the houses and found the free man on the far side

Adrian Tuohy did what Eoghan McLaughlin did last week, he had to do it but it's hard to believe that what Cathal Barrett did was more worthy of being put off the field than what Tuohy did

Small margins
That is what hurling has. Football unfortunately does not.
Hmmmmm

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland hurling final was 14 points

The margin in the 2019 All-Ireland football final was 0 points

I think the point they were trying to make was the recent different winners in the hurling.

Football is all one way traffic recently, and after tonight, for the forseeable it seems!

Sid has a point though, when Kilkenny were hammering everyone out of sight for most of the 00's and early teens it was problematic for hurling in general. Both Limerick and Waterford were beat in AI finals when the game was over after 15 minutes.
They've fallen a bit but that's maybe because the likes of Galway and Limerick got off their holes and set in motion the processes for them to challenge Kilkenny. Heck, even  Clare won three AI U21's before going onto claim their AI in 2013. They were putting the work in.
Limerick are currently warm favourites to win their second All-Ireland in three years, this team could rack up five or six All-Irelands if they have the desire to do so, they have a massive panel

Go back the late 2000s and early 2010s and examine where they were, they were desperate - in 2008 they were well beaten by Clare in Munster and thrashed by Offaly in the qualifiers under the shadow of the arches of the newly built Thomond Park - it was said that hurling was dying out in Limerick

In 2009 they were beaten by Waterford in Munster in one of the worst games of hurling I've ever seen, they got an easy route through the qualifiers and staggered through to an All-Ireland semi-final where they were humiliated by Tipperary, they were beaten by 24 points

In 2010 they didn't even field a proper team - the first choice players all went on strike for the whole year

But underneath the surface, Limerick were revolutionising their underage set up at this time and that led to a really good group of players that came through at minor level around 2013 and 2014 - yet they didn't win a minor All-Ireland

They did however win two under-21 All-Irelands

Árd Scoil Rís and Na Piarsaigh were turning Limerick city into a hurling powerhouse and Limerick got their act together at senior level under John Kiely

They got the business community on board despite the massive competitor that is Munster rugby

All that added up to what they have now

Before 1998, Waterford were a joke, their lot was generally to be fodder for Cork, Tipp or Limerick in the first round of Munster in front of 8 or 10 thousand spectators

They reached three Munster finals in 1982, 1983 and 1989 and were humiliated in each one, in 1982 they lost by 31 points

They were even knocked out of Munster by Kerry in 1993

But like Limerick later on, they focused on the big suburban areas of Waterford City and turned that city into a hurling powerhouse where it previously hadn't been

Even Davy coming into Wexford has awoken them form their slumber, they flopped this year and he's probably not the man to take them forward but he brought the passion and the pride back into Wexford, as well as a sense of professionalism and if Wexford as a county play their cards right they should benefit in future years from the excitement of 2019

You need to have your house in order at all levels - schools, clubs, underage county level, senior inter-county level

It just seems to me that in football, a lot of counties have a losing attitude and are happy enough with that - Derry, Down, Armagh, Meath, Kildare and to an extent Galway and Cork are among those who do

Donegal and Mayo are two of those who don't

Offaly in hurling were a county that just let their structures go to hell and now they're absolutely nowhere, this is a county that reached 7 All-Ireland finals out of 20 between 1981 and 2000 and won four of them

People make structures and it's attitude and culture that makes the people that make the structures
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:01 PM
Post that on the Dublin thread ... all those calling to scrap the leagues might take heart from that
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: johnnycool on November 23, 2020, 02:05:42 PM
Limerick lost 3 championship games in 2019

Hardly makes them the best team of 2019

They look to be a different proposition this year and winning the provincial crown gives them and KK an advantage this year which in other years would be a hindrance.

My money is on a Waterford v KK semi-final with Waterford coming out on top on a dry sod in Croke Park.

The other is Galway v Limerick and as TJ Ryan says, that one is like a deaf dog, hard to call but the eventual AI winner comes out of it.


Down in the CR final this weekend, after beating Offaly, they'll be hot favourites and that has never been something a Down team has been used to.

The Joe Mcdonagh final must be the following week, Antrim v either Kerry or Carlow with both duking it out for the chance to play in the final.

Great semi-final win but like Cork footballers couldn't replicate it in the final.

Kildare were the better team and were able to physically put the blockers on the Down forwards who need a bit of space to use the bit of extra pace they had. Kildare had their homework done on Down and their halfback line stayed very deep denying the inside forward line any room, don't think the Kildare keeper had a save to make.

Disappointing end to a good year for the hurlers.
Title: Re: The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 23, 2020, 03:05:56 PM
Limerick lost 3 championship games in 2019

Hardly makes them the best team of 2019

They look to be a different proposition this year and winning the provincial crown gives them and KK an advantage this year which in other years would be a hindrance.

My money is on a Waterford v KK semi-final with Waterford coming out on top on a dry sod in Croke Park.

The other is Galway v Limerick and as TJ Ryan says, that one is like a deaf dog, hard to call but the eventual AI winner comes out of it.


Down in the CR final this weekend, after beating Offaly, they'll be hot favourites and that has never been something a Down team has been used to.

The Joe Mcdonagh final must be the following week, Antrim v either Kerry or Carlow with both duking it out for the chance to play in the final.

Great semi-final win but like Cork footballers couldn't replicate it in the final.

Kildare were the better team and were able to physically put the blockers on the Down forwards who need a bit of space to use the bit of extra pace they had. Kildare had their homework done on Down and their halfback line stayed very deep denying the inside forward line any room, don't think the Kildare keeper had a save to make.

Disappointing end to a good year for the hurlers.

Was a good game , I feel deflated as a Derry hurling fan atm, our board isnt backing us at all,