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Title: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: screenexile on June 20, 2020, 11:56:52 AM
Just thought we needed a thread to keep up with who’s been cancelled now... I’ve only been following closely the last 2 weeks

At the minute I have:

Jk Rowling
Joe Rogan

Is there anyone else I’m missing?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 20, 2020, 11:58:16 AM
Poor Katie Hopkins got cancelled from twitter.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 20, 2020, 12:04:51 PM
What did Joe Rogan do or say?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: shark on June 20, 2020, 12:14:22 PM
Just thought we needed a thread to keep up with who’s been cancelled now... I’ve only been following closely the last 2 weeks

At the minute I have:

Jk Rowling
Joe Rogan

Is there anyone else I’m missing?

When you have Rowling’s wealth you are “uncancellable”.
She has “F##k you” money. She doesn’t need to care about what anybody outside of her friends and family think.
Hopkins however needs to remain in the public eye, as it’s her source of income.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Kidder81 on June 20, 2020, 12:42:16 PM
Just thought we needed a thread to keep up with who’s been cancelled now... I’ve only been following closely the last 2 weeks

At the minute I have:

Jk Rowling
Joe Rogan

Is there anyone else I’m missing?

When you have Rowling’s wealth you are “uncancellable”.
She has “F##k you” money. She doesn’t need to care about what anybody outside of her friends and family think.
Hopkins however needs to remain in the public eye, as it’s her source of income.

Yeah not sure Rowling will give a f**k what the Twitter bubble thinks
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 20, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
What do you mean cancelled?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on June 20, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
What did Joe Rogan do or say?

This?
https://twitter.com/ChemicalMishap/status/1273159524791259137 (https://twitter.com/ChemicalMishap/status/1273159524791259137)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 20, 2020, 08:44:44 PM
Cecil Rhodes
Edward Coulston
Fawlty towers
Little Britain
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: JohnDenver on June 22, 2020, 10:36:40 AM
Looks like the CEO of crossfit can be added to the list:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/style/greg-glassman-crossfit-sexism.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/style/greg-glassman-crossfit-sexism.html)

There seems to be a few Irish Comedians (not that i've heard of them) getting outed due their past behaviours on twitter over the weekend also.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on June 22, 2020, 12:33:38 PM
CrossFit guy resigned/was forced out a few weeks ago after it emerged he's a racist p***k. Hundreds of affiliated gyms worldwide left them and Reebok pulled their global sponsorship. Now this new stuff over the weekend. I wouldn't consider it him getting cancelled rather than getting his just desserts.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
CrossFit guy resigned/was forced out a few weeks ago after it emerged he's a racist p***k. Hundreds of affiliated gyms worldwide left them and Reebok pulled their global sponsorship. Now this new stuff over the weekend. I wouldn't consider it him getting cancelled rather than getting his just desserts.

He still owns the company.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Geoff Tipps on June 22, 2020, 12:43:15 PM
Looks like the CEO of crossfit can be added to the list:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/style/greg-glassman-crossfit-sexism.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/style/greg-glassman-crossfit-sexism.html)

There seems to be a few Irish Comedians (not that i've heard of them) getting outed due their past behaviours on twitter over the weekend also.

and some Irish musicians if you believe the accusations on Twitter.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2020, 01:46:52 PM
Nothing like a good aul which hunt..
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Orior on June 22, 2020, 02:01:28 PM
Tony Fearon
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2020, 02:07:58 PM
Trawling through historical tweets and comments, trying to get people cancelled, really makes the "liberal left" look terribly petty and vindictive.Trump supporters feed off this crap. Deal with the big picture and educate people, rather than being an online loser trying to get someone's livelihood removed.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 02:10:46 PM
They are after Justin Bieber now, is nothing sacred anymore?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on June 22, 2020, 02:17:28 PM
Dejan Lovren has been liking Trump tweets. They've officially cancelled him. Allison a fan of Bolsonaro too by all accounts, but I dont think hes cancelled yet.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on June 22, 2020, 02:22:22 PM
Trawling through historical tweets and comments, trying to get people cancelled, really makes the "liberal left" look terribly petty and vindictive.Trump supporters feed off this crap. Deal with the big picture and educate people, rather than being an online loser trying to get someone's livelihood removed.

How do you get to feel righteous and self-important then?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on June 22, 2020, 03:14:05 PM
CrossFit guy resigned/was forced out a few weeks ago after it emerged he's a racist p***k. Hundreds of affiliated gyms worldwide left them and Reebok pulled their global sponsorship. Now this new stuff over the weekend. I wouldn't consider it him getting cancelled rather than getting his just desserts.

He still owns the company.

He owns it but was forced to resign from any sort of executive role.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 03:33:29 PM
CrossFit guy resigned/was forced out a few weeks ago after it emerged he's a racist p***k. Hundreds of affiliated gyms worldwide left them and Reebok pulled their global sponsorship. Now this new stuff over the weekend. I wouldn't consider it him getting cancelled rather than getting his just desserts.

He still owns the company.

He owns it but was forced to resign from any sort of executive role.

Not really helped in any way though, quite a few of the bigger names are still refusing to take part in the games upcoming until he's gone completely - including Emma McQuaid.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 22, 2020, 03:44:25 PM
Dejan Lovren has been liking Trump tweets. They've officially cancelled him. Allison a fan of Bolsonaro too by all accounts, but I dont think hes cancelled yet.

Lovren is a bit of an idiot judging by the political stuff he publicly endorses.

From what I read about Allison, supposedly he said that he was willing to give Bolsonaro a chance after the leftists having been in charge.

“I believe that people preach a lot of freedom of speech, but they don’t know how to respect the opinion of others. We have lived years where the left-wing has economically sunk the country. They did good things, they mainly helped the poorest, but what was the goal? What they did badly was much more serious than the positive things. You don’t have to put it on a scale. He did something wrong, he stole, but he helped so-and-so, the poor. It’s not like this.

“I see people who didn’t vote for Bolsonaro hoping he does something wrong to be right. It’s not a question of being right. If he’s a good president, it will be good for everyone, even those who didn’t vote for him. I hope that the changes that have happened are for the good of Brazil and that I can continue my journey in the national team and bring joy to people through football, which has always been an escape for our country.”


That said, Allison is still only 27. Personally I was just starting to get interested in politics at that point. I would presume, if he is as open-minded as he suggests in this quote, that he will equally see the negative effects of what Bolsonaro is doing, just like he did with the previous government, even as he acknowledged they tried to help the poor.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: screenexile on June 22, 2020, 05:51:16 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!

Would never work the profile of a Premier League player would mean that they need Social media for their endorsements and sponsorship.

They should be banned from posting anything of their own without being accompanied by a PR firm although they can land plenty of people in the shit as well!!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on June 22, 2020, 06:30:17 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!
Ulster says no.... to players on social media!!!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 22, 2020, 06:52:00 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!

Would never work the profile of a Premier League player would mean that they need Social media for their endorsements and sponsorship.

They should be banned from posting anything of their own without being accompanied by a PR firm although they can land plenty of people in the shit as well!!
So much for free speech ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2020, 07:07:20 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!

Would never work the profile of a Premier League player would mean that they need Social media for their endorsements and sponsorship.

They should be banned from posting anything of their own without being accompanied by a PR firm although they can land plenty of people in the shit as well!!

I know it’s impossible but as you said these things need to go through a PR savvy manager!

Like who really gives a f**k what they say? I’m not on Twitter, we’ll that’s not totally true I’m on it get scores in GAA and such.

I personally don’t get it
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: TheOptimist on June 22, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
So what is going on with  #irishcomedy. Came across it on Twitter but cant make head nor tail?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on June 22, 2020, 10:58:51 PM
Some fella Davey Reilly books for a big comedy club in dublin was sending messages to a female comedian, Google his name and you'll get it
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: screenexile on June 22, 2020, 11:23:17 PM
[quote ;D author=Milltown Row2 link=topic=29681.msg1978302#msg1978302 date=1592849240]
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!

Would never work the profile of a Premier League player would mean that they need Social media for their endorsements and sponsorship.

They should be banned from posting anything of their own without being accompanied by a PR firm although they can land plenty of people in the shit as well!!

I know it’s impossible but as you said these things need to go through a PR savvy manager!

Like who really gives a f**k what they say? I’m not on Twitter, we’ll that’s not totally true I’m on it get scores in GAA and such.

I personally don’t get it
[/quote]

Still one of the best comedy bits ever done!!

https://youtu.be/Mo-ddYhXAZc
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on June 27, 2020, 07:28:07 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 08:09:22 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Probably go for Marion Robert Morrison
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 27, 2020, 08:32:18 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Why?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 08:35:54 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Why?

Playboy interview 1970 odds
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 27, 2020, 09:33:46 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Why?

Back in 1971, Wayne told Playboy ... "I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people."

And, there was more ... "I don't feel guilty about the fact that 5 or 10 generations ago these people were slaves."

And, then the actor set his sights on Native Americans ... "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them ... There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."

And, Wayne went after gays, using a homophobic slur to refer to the 2 main characters in "Midnight Cowboy."
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 27, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on June 27, 2020, 09:57:44 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.
its been out there but it’s selective outrage , jimmy kimmel , jimmy Fallon , Howard stern ,Justin Trudeau , governor of Virginia would be all gone for using black face and using n word , Megyn Kelly was fired for black face picture, depends on your politics.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: armaghniac on June 27, 2020, 11:08:28 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Will they take down the statue?

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 11:18:10 PM
The blackface stuff was brought up here before. Unless the person is doing it to be a racist then why has it caused such outrage? White chicks? Did anyone complain about it?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 28, 2020, 10:56:06 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.
Could they not just say it is named after John Wayne Bobbit but they Symbolically cut off the end of the sign?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 28, 2020, 11:17:32 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.
Could they not just say it is named after John Wayne Bobbit but they Symbolically cut off the end of the sign?

Or they could just say “f**k off” and keep the name.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 29, 2020, 12:19:53 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

I had definitely heard of it before, and it was remarked on at the time, but the reality is the US is going through an introspection about this sort of thing. Just because the interview wasn't widely known about doesn't mean it didn't happen or doesn't deserve attention now.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 12:53:27 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.
its been out there but it’s selective outrage , jimmy kimmel , jimmy Fallon , Howard stern ,Justin Trudeau , governor of Virginia would be all gone for using black face and using n word , Megyn Kelly was fired for black face picture, depends on your politics.

Megyn Kelly was not fired for a blackface picture.

She was defending people dressing up at Halloween.

Her ratings were in the toilet. That was the straw that broke the carmel’s back.

She had previous form, insisting while still at Fox News that Santa Claus had to be white!

Northam ludicrously brazened it out, denying the photo was him (after previously confirming it), but the only reason it worked was that the next two in line got enveloped in their own scandals the same week. Otherwise he’d have been gone.

I’m not too familiar with the other situations, but I’m guessing they did a massive mea culpa and held on. Except Howard Stern maybe. Offensiveness was his M.O.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on June 29, 2020, 01:01:13 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

At this rate, John Lennon and George Best won't last the week.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 29, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
Well if sleeping with a few Miss Worlds is enough to get ye cancelled these days ye may add me to this fcukin list

he said truthfully
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 02:12:42 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?

No I wasn’t. Why is that relevant?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
I hope Micko never told any Corkman jokes, or the Rebels will be driving to Waterville to saw the head off his statue.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?

No I wasn’t. Why is that relevant?

You're asking why all of a sudden its an issue after  years.

Most people probably weren't aware of his views or, especially, that interview.

Half of young people probably don't even know who John Wayne was.

Suddenly they find out who this statue is honouring and his right wing, reactionary outlook on life.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 02:43:47 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?

No I wasn’t. Why is that relevant?

You're asking why all of a sudden its an issue after  years.

Most people probably weren't aware of his views or, especially, that interview.

Half of young people probably don't even know who John Wayne was.

Suddenly they find out who this statue is honouring and his right wing, reactionary outlook on life.

But people who read the interview and knew his views in 1971 obviously weren’t offended enough to call for him to apologise or his name to be removed from this or that. And apparently the airport named it after Wayne in 1979. Why didn’t someone object then?

Why didn’t someone call for his name to be removed from the airport 20, 10 or 5 years ago? They knew his views since at least 1971, and knew they were controversial. So why now?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 02:59:25 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?

No I wasn’t. Why is that relevant?

You're asking why all of a sudden its an issue after  years.

Most people probably weren't aware of his views or, especially, that interview.

Half of young people probably don't even know who John Wayne was.

Suddenly they find out who this statue is honouring and his right wing, reactionary outlook on life.

But people who read the interview and knew his views in 1971 obviously weren’t offended enough to call for him to apologise or his name to be removed from this or that. And apparently the airport named it after Wayne in 1979. Why didn’t someone object then?

Why didn’t someone call for his name to be removed from the airport 20, 10 or 5 years ago? They knew his views since at least 1971, and knew they were controversial. So why now?

Is this a serious question?

The world was a very different place in 1971.

It was a very different place 20 years ago.

Society changes. Thankfully.

Homsexuality was illegal in Ireland into the 90s, for example.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
Ah come on, there was nobody in the whole of the US to draw attention to what Wayne said was wrong? It took FORTY NINE YEARS for someone to say, “holy f**k, I think thon Wayne boy was a bit racist”?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:18:57 PM
Ah come on, there was nobody in the whole of the US to draw attention to what Wayne said was wrong? It took FORTY NINE YEARS for someone to say, “holy f**k, I think thon Wayne boy was a bit racist”?

But what he said wasn't exactly out of whack with the feeling of many at the time.

Why do you think Richard Nixon was elected twice?

Why have the GOP exploited racial tensions and become older and whiter as a party?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:22:31 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

I think we can absolutely condemn their actions, even if we "understand" them.

Doesn't mean we have to continue to honour them with airport names and pride-of-place statues.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Ah come on, there was nobody in the whole of the US to draw attention to what Wayne said was wrong? It took FORTY NINE YEARS for someone to say, “holy f**k, I think thon Wayne boy was a bit racist”?

Because those people who are determined to remove context from history, have fuelled in recent events enough to feel empowered to do so. But they’ll eventually piss off enough people that laws will be created to prevent this sort of thing happening.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on June 29, 2020, 03:23:06 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

It wasn't the church who kicked girls out of the house for getting pregnant. Or who tarred, feathered, slut-shamed and beat them for mixing with soldiers.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2020, 03:24:37 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

I think we can absolutely condemn their actions, even if we "understand" them.

Doesn't mean we have to continue to honour them with airport names and pride-of-place statues.

No we don’t. But nor do we have to agree in any shape of form with someone’s political or cultural beliefs (or misunderstandings) to appreciate the fact they’ve left a mark on this world. Taking a name off an airport doesn’t change the fact that he’s a figure of huge cultural importance to America.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

I think we can absolutely condemn their actions, even if we "understand" them.

Doesn't mean we have to continue to honour them with airport names and pride-of-place statues.

No we don’t. But nor do we have to agree in any shape of form with someone’s political or cultural beliefs (or misunderstandings) to appreciate the fact they’ve left a mark on this world. Taking a name off an airport doesn’t change the fact that he’s a figure of huge cultural importance to America.

You're right, it doesn't.

Same goes for statues or GAA club names.

Removing the name does not erase history.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on June 29, 2020, 03:42:02 PM
Dustin the Turkey is being cancelled.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2020, 05:44:19 PM
Carry on up the Khyber ?

Dome blackfacing in that film
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2020, 06:37:46 PM
Ah now..

https://mobile.twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1277293289625001986
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 06:48:28 PM
No doubt this Friends episode will be next


Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2020, 07:29:39 PM
6 Mississippi’s!!!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on June 29, 2020, 11:39:36 PM
Stefan Molyneux has been banned from YouTube.

That's good news.

Should have happened a long time ago, mind.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

I think we can absolutely condemn their actions, even if we "understand" them.

Doesn't mean we have to continue to honour them with airport names and pride-of-place statues.

No we don’t. But nor do we have to agree in any shape of form with someone’s political or cultural beliefs (or misunderstandings) to appreciate the fact they’ve left a mark on this world. Taking a name off an airport doesn’t change the fact that he’s a figure of huge cultural importance to America.

We are misunderstanding the Playboy interview?

The general question is does someone's 'good' outweigh the 'bad'. I think JW shades it, but slave traders and people employed as propagandists for the Confederacy don't.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 30, 2020, 01:22:06 PM
I think the bigger question is whether someone can be portrayed “of their time and culture” rather than as a plain old nasty piece of work.

And my underlying point being that almost every person will have ancestors who openly shared and practiced beliefs that wouldn’t sit easily in the modern world.  That’s who we evolved from folks. To hide it, bury it, pretend it didn’t happen isn’t (in my opinion) the right approach.

With regards to naming places after people, and putting up statues, ideally it would only involve people of impeccable virtues. But that requires us to hide history from the next generations, rather than evaluate it.

Those who are determined to remove statues might be better served by installing plaques beside them which explain why this person should be remembered, but not necessarily celebrated.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 30, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: nrico2006 on June 30, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
No doubt this Friends episode will be next




Should the film White Chicks be banned too?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: TabClear on June 30, 2020, 01:43:54 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

Just while we are at it take down the Colosseum! Slaves fighting for their lives? Christians thrown to the lions!

But no, stop watching Carry on up The Khyber and rename that damn airport
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 30, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

I’ve no idea if slaves built the pyramids or not. But the problem I would have with that article is that the sources really, really, really, really want to believe slaves were not involved. So they’re about as objective as Pat Spillane in his “areal of expertise”.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 30, 2020, 02:15:04 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt
That is why I said built by slave owners, not built by slaves. I have not seen any sources saying the Pharoahs, commemorated by the pyramids, did not own slaves.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2020, 04:24:54 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2020, 04:25:51 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

Just while we are at it take down the Colosseum! Slaves fighting for their lives? Christians thrown to the lions!



Also, neither happened.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

Just while we are at it take down the Colosseum! Slaves fighting for their lives? Christians thrown to the lions!



Also, neither happened.

Gladiator : Most were despised as slaves, schooled under harsh conditions, socially marginalized, and segregated even in death.

Christians did die after the fire of Rome by Nero, When they were blamed for starting the fire, though they were mainly martyrs 
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 30, 2020, 10:49:03 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on July 01, 2020, 01:33:00 AM
It's not all doom and gloom, Casement's legacy has gone up a few notches. He's too good for Antrim now.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on July 01, 2020, 08:29:13 AM
You just stick to Eoin O’Duffy there.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2020, 02:02:08 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on July 01, 2020, 02:14:06 PM
You just stick to Eoin O’Duffy there.
O'Duffy? vanished, nowhere to be seen, hardly a trace left behind since he's been airbrushed from history by Fine Gael with a stalanist efficiency.
And who wants to hear tales about a gay Garda commisioner in 1922 who loved to dress up for parades, with a bit of a drinking problem and a monaghan accent to boot?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2020, 02:27:36 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on July 01, 2020, 03:53:00 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2020, 04:46:38 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2020, 05:42:38 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?
Will black enslavement be ok in 5000 years?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2020, 06:11:58 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?
Will black enslavement be ok in 5000 years?

Obviously not.

Will airports, schools and army bases be named and statues recently erected and flags in use honouring black enslavement in 5000 years?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2020, 08:40:17 PM
I don’t know, I do know that Castlebar Mitchels will still be called Castlebar Mitchels  ;)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on July 01, 2020, 10:09:47 PM
Wonder did the moors enslave people ?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2020, 10:22:25 PM
Wonder did the moors enslave people ?

Google is your friend.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on July 01, 2020, 10:53:59 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history but that we cannot whitewash history to our current norms.
 
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on July 01, 2020, 10:58:15 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history.
Interesting that John Wayne's son said that Big John would not have stood by while a police office strangled the life out of a person, he said he would have done the right thing and effectively intervened , that was how his Da lived his life. Not a quiet man after all.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 02, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history but that we cannot whitewash history to our current norms.

I agree that it some cases it is lazy activism. However, many of these statues and names and so on have been the subject of ongoing efforts for years. Just because all of a sudden there is a groundswell of awareness in the wake of George Floyd doesn’t make it an invalid concern. Sometimes it takes single, large events to shift public opinion and change society for the better. Do you think Mississippi changing its flag was the correct thing to do, or should they have tried to hold on yet again and continued to honour the confederacy?

And how is making such changes “whitewashing” history? No one is going to forget the US Civil War or the worldwide slave trade or the fact that racism was and is a problem for black people. There are no statues to Hitler or use of the Nazi swastika except maybe in a few bigoted, white supremacist clubs, but no one is forgetting or diluting what he and his henchmen inflicted on the world.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on July 02, 2020, 01:31:30 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history but that we cannot whitewash history to our current norms.

I agree that it some cases it is lazy activism. However, many of these statues and names and so on have been the subject of ongoing efforts for years. Just because all of a sudden there is a groundswell of awareness in the wake of George Floyd doesn’t make it an invalid concern. Sometimes it takes single, large events to shift public opinion and change society for the better. Do you think Mississippi changing its flag was the correct thing to do, or should they have tried to hold on yet again and continued to honour the confederacy?

And how is making such changes “whitewashing” history? No one is going to forget the US Civil War or the worldwide slave trade or the fact that racism was and is a problem for black people. There are no statues to Hitler or use of the Nazi swastika except maybe in a few bigoted, white supremacist clubs, but no one is forgetting or diluting what he and his henchmen inflicted on the world.
Mississippi changing the flag is the right thing to do. The confederate flag is A symbol of that time and is still used as a symbol of division. I wouldn’t cancel Dukes of Hazard because they had it in the roof of the General Lee.
Confederate Generals, Rhodes, Coulson I am in 2 minds about.

There is an expression don’t seek to offend, don’t seek to be offended.

By whitewashing I am referring to the removal of anyone and anything that does not meet today’s standards.

A few years ago Edinburgh considered putting up a statue of JK Rowling. If it had went up would her stance on Trans issues justify its removal?
The statue would not have been to celebrate her views.
The statue of Joe Dolan in Mullingar was not erected because he performed in South Africa during apartheid.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 02, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history but that we cannot whitewash history to our current norms.

I agree that it some cases it is lazy activism. However, many of these statues and names and so on have been the subject of ongoing efforts for years. Just because all of a sudden there is a groundswell of awareness in the wake of George Floyd doesn’t make it an invalid concern. Sometimes it takes single, large events to shift public opinion and change society for the better. Do you think Mississippi changing its flag was the correct thing to do, or should they have tried to hold on yet again and continued to honour the confederacy?

And how is making such changes “whitewashing” history? No one is going to forget the US Civil War or the worldwide slave trade or the fact that racism was and is a problem for black people. There are no statues to Hitler or use of the Nazi swastika except maybe in a few bigoted, white supremacist clubs, but no one is forgetting or diluting what he and his henchmen inflicted on the world.
Mississippi changing the flag is the right thing to do. The confederate flag is A symbol of that time and is still used as a symbol of division. I wouldn’t cancel Dukes of Hazard because they had it in the roof of the General Lee.
Confederate Generals, Rhodes, Coulson I am in 2 minds about.

There is an expression don’t seek to offend, don’t seek to be offended.

By whitewashing I am referring to the removal of anyone and anything that does not meet today’s standards.

A few years ago Edinburgh considered putting up a statue of JK Rowling. If it had went up would her stance on Trans issues justify its removal?
The statue would not have been to celebrate her views.
The statue of Joe Dolan in Mullingar was not erected because he performed in South Africa during apartheid.

I accept that. This is not, in many cases, an easy, right/wrong issue.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on July 02, 2020, 02:36:31 PM
Why was Luke Kelly’s statue attacked recently?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on July 02, 2020, 02:40:50 PM
Why was Luke Kelly’s statue attacked recently?
Black Velvet Band.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: TabClear on July 02, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
Edit: Apologies in advance J70/Leo if I have messed up the quotes below. I was trying to cut down the text!

This is an important point from my perspective. As has been pointed out there are lots of things in society  that look pretty poor now because attitudes and society has changed. Thats not to say that it should have been accepted in the past but banning episodes of Only fools and horses or Fawlty towers is not doing much to address the true issues today. If anything I think they detract from it because a) it distracts attention from the true issues b) it tends to get an abnormal amount of media attention, particularly in the red tops because it is about a celebrity/favourite character etc and it is divisive which sells papers and c), and in my opinion most importantly, it  puts the more moderate, balanced individual off supporting more meaningful action because they dont want to be associated with some raving looney on social media who is burning effigies of Basil Fawlty in one post while the next post is calling for a valid legislative or social change.

I know the examples above are slightly tongue in cheek but I am firmly of the view that many of these movements be it feminism, anti racism, LBGT etc are hurt by their most ardent supporters purely because they refuse to see anything other than injustice wherever possible (i.e. seek to be offended) and like nothing better than a social media crusade or witchhunt. One that sticks in my head last year (due to the amount of said books in my kids bedrooms!) was when the Mr Men and Little MIss books were accused of sexism by some clown who decided to take offense at a one line joke in one book because a female character was deemed to be the butt of teh joke. Jesus wept!



Mississippi changing the flag is the right thing to do. The confederate flag is A symbol of that time and is still used as a symbol of division. I wouldn’t cancel Dukes of Hazard because they had it in the roof of the General Lee.
Confederate Generals, Rhodes, Coulson I am in 2 minds about.

There is an expression don’t seek to offend, don’t seek to be offended.

By whitewashing I am referring to the removal of anyone and anything that does not meet today’s standards.

A few years ago Edinburgh considered putting up a statue of JK Rowling. If it had went up would her stance on Trans issues justify its removal?
The statue would not have been to celebrate her views.
The statue of Joe Dolan in Mullingar was not erected because he performed in South Africa during apartheid.

I accept that. This is not, in many cases, an easy, right/wrong issue.

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: ONeill on July 02, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
I don't like the look of those tin men up in Strabane.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on July 02, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
I don't like the look of those tin men up in Strabane.