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Title: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: screenexile on June 20, 2020, 11:56:52 AM
Just thought we needed a thread to keep up with who’s been cancelled now... I’ve only been following closely the last 2 weeks

At the minute I have:

Jk Rowling
Joe Rogan

Is there anyone else I’m missing?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 20, 2020, 11:58:16 AM
Poor Katie Hopkins got cancelled from twitter.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 20, 2020, 12:04:51 PM
What did Joe Rogan do or say?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: shark on June 20, 2020, 12:14:22 PM
Just thought we needed a thread to keep up with who’s been cancelled now... I’ve only been following closely the last 2 weeks

At the minute I have:

Jk Rowling
Joe Rogan

Is there anyone else I’m missing?

When you have Rowling’s wealth you are “uncancellable”.
She has “F##k you” money. She doesn’t need to care about what anybody outside of her friends and family think.
Hopkins however needs to remain in the public eye, as it’s her source of income.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Kidder81 on June 20, 2020, 12:42:16 PM
Just thought we needed a thread to keep up with who’s been cancelled now... I’ve only been following closely the last 2 weeks

At the minute I have:

Jk Rowling
Joe Rogan

Is there anyone else I’m missing?

When you have Rowling’s wealth you are “uncancellable”.
She has “F##k you” money. She doesn’t need to care about what anybody outside of her friends and family think.
Hopkins however needs to remain in the public eye, as it’s her source of income.

Yeah not sure Rowling will give a f**k what the Twitter bubble thinks
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 20, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
What do you mean cancelled?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on June 20, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
What did Joe Rogan do or say?

This?
https://twitter.com/ChemicalMishap/status/1273159524791259137 (https://twitter.com/ChemicalMishap/status/1273159524791259137)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 20, 2020, 08:44:44 PM
Cecil Rhodes
Edward Coulston
Fawlty towers
Little Britain
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: JohnDenver on June 22, 2020, 10:36:40 AM
Looks like the CEO of crossfit can be added to the list:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/style/greg-glassman-crossfit-sexism.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/style/greg-glassman-crossfit-sexism.html)

There seems to be a few Irish Comedians (not that i've heard of them) getting outed due their past behaviours on twitter over the weekend also.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on June 22, 2020, 12:33:38 PM
CrossFit guy resigned/was forced out a few weeks ago after it emerged he's a racist p***k. Hundreds of affiliated gyms worldwide left them and Reebok pulled their global sponsorship. Now this new stuff over the weekend. I wouldn't consider it him getting cancelled rather than getting his just desserts.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
CrossFit guy resigned/was forced out a few weeks ago after it emerged he's a racist p***k. Hundreds of affiliated gyms worldwide left them and Reebok pulled their global sponsorship. Now this new stuff over the weekend. I wouldn't consider it him getting cancelled rather than getting his just desserts.

He still owns the company.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Geoff Tipps on June 22, 2020, 12:43:15 PM
Looks like the CEO of crossfit can be added to the list:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/style/greg-glassman-crossfit-sexism.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/style/greg-glassman-crossfit-sexism.html)

There seems to be a few Irish Comedians (not that i've heard of them) getting outed due their past behaviours on twitter over the weekend also.

and some Irish musicians if you believe the accusations on Twitter.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2020, 01:46:52 PM
Nothing like a good aul which hunt..
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Orior on June 22, 2020, 02:01:28 PM
Tony Fearon
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2020, 02:07:58 PM
Trawling through historical tweets and comments, trying to get people cancelled, really makes the "liberal left" look terribly petty and vindictive.Trump supporters feed off this crap. Deal with the big picture and educate people, rather than being an online loser trying to get someone's livelihood removed.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 02:10:46 PM
They are after Justin Bieber now, is nothing sacred anymore?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on June 22, 2020, 02:17:28 PM
Dejan Lovren has been liking Trump tweets. They've officially cancelled him. Allison a fan of Bolsonaro too by all accounts, but I dont think hes cancelled yet.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on June 22, 2020, 02:22:22 PM
Trawling through historical tweets and comments, trying to get people cancelled, really makes the "liberal left" look terribly petty and vindictive.Trump supporters feed off this crap. Deal with the big picture and educate people, rather than being an online loser trying to get someone's livelihood removed.

How do you get to feel righteous and self-important then?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on June 22, 2020, 03:14:05 PM
CrossFit guy resigned/was forced out a few weeks ago after it emerged he's a racist p***k. Hundreds of affiliated gyms worldwide left them and Reebok pulled their global sponsorship. Now this new stuff over the weekend. I wouldn't consider it him getting cancelled rather than getting his just desserts.

He still owns the company.

He owns it but was forced to resign from any sort of executive role.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 03:33:29 PM
CrossFit guy resigned/was forced out a few weeks ago after it emerged he's a racist p***k. Hundreds of affiliated gyms worldwide left them and Reebok pulled their global sponsorship. Now this new stuff over the weekend. I wouldn't consider it him getting cancelled rather than getting his just desserts.

He still owns the company.

He owns it but was forced to resign from any sort of executive role.

Not really helped in any way though, quite a few of the bigger names are still refusing to take part in the games upcoming until he's gone completely - including Emma McQuaid.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 22, 2020, 03:44:25 PM
Dejan Lovren has been liking Trump tweets. They've officially cancelled him. Allison a fan of Bolsonaro too by all accounts, but I dont think hes cancelled yet.

Lovren is a bit of an idiot judging by the political stuff he publicly endorses.

From what I read about Allison, supposedly he said that he was willing to give Bolsonaro a chance after the leftists having been in charge.

“I believe that people preach a lot of freedom of speech, but they don’t know how to respect the opinion of others. We have lived years where the left-wing has economically sunk the country. They did good things, they mainly helped the poorest, but what was the goal? What they did badly was much more serious than the positive things. You don’t have to put it on a scale. He did something wrong, he stole, but he helped so-and-so, the poor. It’s not like this.

“I see people who didn’t vote for Bolsonaro hoping he does something wrong to be right. It’s not a question of being right. If he’s a good president, it will be good for everyone, even those who didn’t vote for him. I hope that the changes that have happened are for the good of Brazil and that I can continue my journey in the national team and bring joy to people through football, which has always been an escape for our country.”


That said, Allison is still only 27. Personally I was just starting to get interested in politics at that point. I would presume, if he is as open-minded as he suggests in this quote, that he will equally see the negative effects of what Bolsonaro is doing, just like he did with the previous government, even as he acknowledged they tried to help the poor.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: screenexile on June 22, 2020, 05:51:16 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!

Would never work the profile of a Premier League player would mean that they need Social media for their endorsements and sponsorship.

They should be banned from posting anything of their own without being accompanied by a PR firm although they can land plenty of people in the shit as well!!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on June 22, 2020, 06:30:17 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!
Ulster says no.... to players on social media!!!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 22, 2020, 06:52:00 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!

Would never work the profile of a Premier League player would mean that they need Social media for their endorsements and sponsorship.

They should be banned from posting anything of their own without being accompanied by a PR firm although they can land plenty of people in the shit as well!!
So much for free speech ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2020, 07:07:20 PM
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!

Would never work the profile of a Premier League player would mean that they need Social media for their endorsements and sponsorship.

They should be banned from posting anything of their own without being accompanied by a PR firm although they can land plenty of people in the shit as well!!

I know it’s impossible but as you said these things need to go through a PR savvy manager!

Like who really gives a f**k what they say? I’m not on Twitter, we’ll that’s not totally true I’m on it get scores in GAA and such.

I personally don’t get it
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: TheOptimist on June 22, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
So what is going on with  #irishcomedy. Came across it on Twitter but cant make head nor tail?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on June 22, 2020, 10:58:51 PM
Some fella Davey Reilly books for a big comedy club in dublin was sending messages to a female comedian, Google his name and you'll get it
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: screenexile on June 22, 2020, 11:23:17 PM
[quote ;D author=Milltown Row2 link=topic=29681.msg1978302#msg1978302 date=1592849240]
When players sign a contract it should also bar them from having social media. Period!

Would never work the profile of a Premier League player would mean that they need Social media for their endorsements and sponsorship.

They should be banned from posting anything of their own without being accompanied by a PR firm although they can land plenty of people in the shit as well!!

I know it’s impossible but as you said these things need to go through a PR savvy manager!

Like who really gives a f**k what they say? I’m not on Twitter, we’ll that’s not totally true I’m on it get scores in GAA and such.

I personally don’t get it
[/quote]

Still one of the best comedy bits ever done!!

https://youtu.be/Mo-ddYhXAZc
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on June 27, 2020, 07:28:07 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 08:09:22 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Probably go for Marion Robert Morrison
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 27, 2020, 08:32:18 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Why?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 08:35:54 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Why?

Playboy interview 1970 odds
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 27, 2020, 09:33:46 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Why?

Back in 1971, Wayne told Playboy ... "I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people."

And, there was more ... "I don't feel guilty about the fact that 5 or 10 generations ago these people were slaves."

And, then the actor set his sights on Native Americans ... "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them ... There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."

And, Wayne went after gays, using a homophobic slur to refer to the 2 main characters in "Midnight Cowboy."
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 27, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on June 27, 2020, 09:57:44 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.
its been out there but it’s selective outrage , jimmy kimmel , jimmy Fallon , Howard stern ,Justin Trudeau , governor of Virginia would be all gone for using black face and using n word , Megyn Kelly was fired for black face picture, depends on your politics.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: armaghniac on June 27, 2020, 11:08:28 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

Will they take down the statue?

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 11:18:10 PM
The blackface stuff was brought up here before. Unless the person is doing it to be a racist then why has it caused such outrage? White chicks? Did anyone complain about it?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 28, 2020, 10:56:06 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.
Could they not just say it is named after John Wayne Bobbit but they Symbolically cut off the end of the sign?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 28, 2020, 11:17:32 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.
Could they not just say it is named after John Wayne Bobbit but they Symbolically cut off the end of the sign?

Or they could just say “f**k off” and keep the name.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 29, 2020, 12:19:53 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

I had definitely heard of it before, and it was remarked on at the time, but the reality is the US is going through an introspection about this sort of thing. Just because the interview wasn't widely known about doesn't mean it didn't happen or doesn't deserve attention now.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 12:53:27 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.
its been out there but it’s selective outrage , jimmy kimmel , jimmy Fallon , Howard stern ,Justin Trudeau , governor of Virginia would be all gone for using black face and using n word , Megyn Kelly was fired for black face picture, depends on your politics.

Megyn Kelly was not fired for a blackface picture.

She was defending people dressing up at Halloween.

Her ratings were in the toilet. That was the straw that broke the carmel’s back.

She had previous form, insisting while still at Fox News that Santa Claus had to be white!

Northam ludicrously brazened it out, denying the photo was him (after previously confirming it), but the only reason it worked was that the next two in line got enveloped in their own scandals the same week. Otherwise he’d have been gone.

I’m not too familiar with the other situations, but I’m guessing they did a massive mea culpa and held on. Except Howard Stern maybe. Offensiveness was his M.O.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on June 29, 2020, 01:01:13 PM
John Wayne airport to be renamed.

At this rate, John Lennon and George Best won't last the week.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 29, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
Well if sleeping with a few Miss Worlds is enough to get ye cancelled these days ye may add me to this fcukin list

he said truthfully
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 02:12:42 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?

No I wasn’t. Why is that relevant?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
I hope Micko never told any Corkman jokes, or the Rebels will be driving to Waterville to saw the head off his statue.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?

No I wasn’t. Why is that relevant?

You're asking why all of a sudden its an issue after  years.

Most people probably weren't aware of his views or, especially, that interview.

Half of young people probably don't even know who John Wayne was.

Suddenly they find out who this statue is honouring and his right wing, reactionary outlook on life.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 02:43:47 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?

No I wasn’t. Why is that relevant?

You're asking why all of a sudden its an issue after  years.

Most people probably weren't aware of his views or, especially, that interview.

Half of young people probably don't even know who John Wayne was.

Suddenly they find out who this statue is honouring and his right wing, reactionary outlook on life.

But people who read the interview and knew his views in 1971 obviously weren’t offended enough to call for him to apologise or his name to be removed from this or that. And apparently the airport named it after Wayne in 1979. Why didn’t someone object then?

Why didn’t someone call for his name to be removed from the airport 20, 10 or 5 years ago? They knew his views since at least 1971, and knew they were controversial. So why now?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 02:59:25 PM
Ok fair enough.

The thing is, why was it not brought up before now? An interview nearly 50 years ago, and it’s only become an issue now? I mean, people can’t have been too offended if it took 50 years to realise it.

Were you aware of his views?

No I wasn’t. Why is that relevant?

You're asking why all of a sudden its an issue after  years.

Most people probably weren't aware of his views or, especially, that interview.

Half of young people probably don't even know who John Wayne was.

Suddenly they find out who this statue is honouring and his right wing, reactionary outlook on life.

But people who read the interview and knew his views in 1971 obviously weren’t offended enough to call for him to apologise or his name to be removed from this or that. And apparently the airport named it after Wayne in 1979. Why didn’t someone object then?

Why didn’t someone call for his name to be removed from the airport 20, 10 or 5 years ago? They knew his views since at least 1971, and knew they were controversial. So why now?

Is this a serious question?

The world was a very different place in 1971.

It was a very different place 20 years ago.

Society changes. Thankfully.

Homsexuality was illegal in Ireland into the 90s, for example.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
Ah come on, there was nobody in the whole of the US to draw attention to what Wayne said was wrong? It took FORTY NINE YEARS for someone to say, “holy f**k, I think thon Wayne boy was a bit racist”?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:18:57 PM
Ah come on, there was nobody in the whole of the US to draw attention to what Wayne said was wrong? It took FORTY NINE YEARS for someone to say, “holy f**k, I think thon Wayne boy was a bit racist”?

But what he said wasn't exactly out of whack with the feeling of many at the time.

Why do you think Richard Nixon was elected twice?

Why have the GOP exploited racial tensions and become older and whiter as a party?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:22:31 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

I think we can absolutely condemn their actions, even if we "understand" them.

Doesn't mean we have to continue to honour them with airport names and pride-of-place statues.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Ah come on, there was nobody in the whole of the US to draw attention to what Wayne said was wrong? It took FORTY NINE YEARS for someone to say, “holy f**k, I think thon Wayne boy was a bit racist”?

Because those people who are determined to remove context from history, have fuelled in recent events enough to feel empowered to do so. But they’ll eventually piss off enough people that laws will be created to prevent this sort of thing happening.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on June 29, 2020, 03:23:06 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

It wasn't the church who kicked girls out of the house for getting pregnant. Or who tarred, feathered, slut-shamed and beat them for mixing with soldiers.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2020, 03:24:37 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

I think we can absolutely condemn their actions, even if we "understand" them.

Doesn't mean we have to continue to honour them with airport names and pride-of-place statues.

No we don’t. But nor do we have to agree in any shape of form with someone’s political or cultural beliefs (or misunderstandings) to appreciate the fact they’ve left a mark on this world. Taking a name off an airport doesn’t change the fact that he’s a figure of huge cultural importance to America.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

I think we can absolutely condemn their actions, even if we "understand" them.

Doesn't mean we have to continue to honour them with airport names and pride-of-place statues.

No we don’t. But nor do we have to agree in any shape of form with someone’s political or cultural beliefs (or misunderstandings) to appreciate the fact they’ve left a mark on this world. Taking a name off an airport doesn’t change the fact that he’s a figure of huge cultural importance to America.

You're right, it doesn't.

Same goes for statues or GAA club names.

Removing the name does not erase history.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on June 29, 2020, 03:42:02 PM
Dustin the Turkey is being cancelled.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2020, 05:44:19 PM
Carry on up the Khyber ?

Dome blackfacing in that film
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2020, 06:37:46 PM
Ah now..

https://mobile.twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1277293289625001986
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 06:48:28 PM
No doubt this Friends episode will be next


Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2020, 07:29:39 PM
6 Mississippi’s!!!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on June 29, 2020, 11:39:36 PM
Stefan Molyneux has been banned from YouTube.

That's good news.

Should have happened a long time ago, mind.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
J70, if society is always changing, can we not maybe accept that someone born and raised in Iowa in 1907, might have developed opinions and ideologies that were culturally “of that time”?

If we are going to clear skeletons out of closets, there’s an awful lot of families in Ireland today have grandparents who either turned a blind eye to or helped cover up the obvious misdemeanours of the church. Personally I wouldn’t demonise such people, as their actions were “of the time”.

I think we can absolutely condemn their actions, even if we "understand" them.

Doesn't mean we have to continue to honour them with airport names and pride-of-place statues.

No we don’t. But nor do we have to agree in any shape of form with someone’s political or cultural beliefs (or misunderstandings) to appreciate the fact they’ve left a mark on this world. Taking a name off an airport doesn’t change the fact that he’s a figure of huge cultural importance to America.

We are misunderstanding the Playboy interview?

The general question is does someone's 'good' outweigh the 'bad'. I think JW shades it, but slave traders and people employed as propagandists for the Confederacy don't.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 30, 2020, 01:22:06 PM
I think the bigger question is whether someone can be portrayed “of their time and culture” rather than as a plain old nasty piece of work.

And my underlying point being that almost every person will have ancestors who openly shared and practiced beliefs that wouldn’t sit easily in the modern world.  That’s who we evolved from folks. To hide it, bury it, pretend it didn’t happen isn’t (in my opinion) the right approach.

With regards to naming places after people, and putting up statues, ideally it would only involve people of impeccable virtues. But that requires us to hide history from the next generations, rather than evaluate it.

Those who are determined to remove statues might be better served by installing plaques beside them which explain why this person should be remembered, but not necessarily celebrated.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 30, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: nrico2006 on June 30, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
No doubt this Friends episode will be next




Should the film White Chicks be banned too?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: TabClear on June 30, 2020, 01:43:54 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

Just while we are at it take down the Colosseum! Slaves fighting for their lives? Christians thrown to the lions!

But no, stop watching Carry on up The Khyber and rename that damn airport
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: thewobbler on June 30, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

I’ve no idea if slaves built the pyramids or not. But the problem I would have with that article is that the sources really, really, really, really want to believe slaves were not involved. So they’re about as objective as Pat Spillane in his “areal of expertise”.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 30, 2020, 02:15:04 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt
That is why I said built by slave owners, not built by slaves. I have not seen any sources saying the Pharoahs, commemorated by the pyramids, did not own slaves.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2020, 04:24:54 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2020, 04:25:51 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

Just while we are at it take down the Colosseum! Slaves fighting for their lives? Christians thrown to the lions!



Also, neither happened.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

Controversial.....


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

Just while we are at it take down the Colosseum! Slaves fighting for their lives? Christians thrown to the lions!



Also, neither happened.

Gladiator : Most were despised as slaves, schooled under harsh conditions, socially marginalized, and segregated even in death.

Christians did die after the fire of Rome by Nero, When they were blamed for starting the fire, though they were mainly martyrs 
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on June 30, 2020, 10:49:03 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on July 01, 2020, 01:33:00 AM
It's not all doom and gloom, Casement's legacy has gone up a few notches. He's too good for Antrim now.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on July 01, 2020, 08:29:13 AM
You just stick to Eoin O’Duffy there.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2020, 02:02:08 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on July 01, 2020, 02:14:06 PM
You just stick to Eoin O’Duffy there.
O'Duffy? vanished, nowhere to be seen, hardly a trace left behind since he's been airbrushed from history by Fine Gael with a stalanist efficiency.
And who wants to hear tales about a gay Garda commisioner in 1922 who loved to dress up for parades, with a bit of a drinking problem and a monaghan accent to boot?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2020, 02:27:36 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on July 01, 2020, 03:53:00 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2020, 04:46:38 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2020, 05:42:38 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?
Will black enslavement be ok in 5000 years?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2020, 06:11:58 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?
Will black enslavement be ok in 5000 years?

Obviously not.

Will airports, schools and army bases be named and statues recently erected and flags in use honouring black enslavement in 5000 years?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2020, 08:40:17 PM
I don’t know, I do know that Castlebar Mitchels will still be called Castlebar Mitchels  ;)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on July 01, 2020, 10:09:47 PM
Wonder did the moors enslave people ?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2020, 10:22:25 PM
Wonder did the moors enslave people ?

Google is your friend.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on July 01, 2020, 10:53:59 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history but that we cannot whitewash history to our current norms.
 
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on July 01, 2020, 10:58:15 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history.
Interesting that John Wayne's son said that Big John would not have stood by while a police office strangled the life out of a person, he said he would have done the right thing and effectively intervened , that was how his Da lived his life. Not a quiet man after all.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 02, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history but that we cannot whitewash history to our current norms.

I agree that it some cases it is lazy activism. However, many of these statues and names and so on have been the subject of ongoing efforts for years. Just because all of a sudden there is a groundswell of awareness in the wake of George Floyd doesn’t make it an invalid concern. Sometimes it takes single, large events to shift public opinion and change society for the better. Do you think Mississippi changing its flag was the correct thing to do, or should they have tried to hold on yet again and continued to honour the confederacy?

And how is making such changes “whitewashing” history? No one is going to forget the US Civil War or the worldwide slave trade or the fact that racism was and is a problem for black people. There are no statues to Hitler or use of the Nazi swastika except maybe in a few bigoted, white supremacist clubs, but no one is forgetting or diluting what he and his henchmen inflicted on the world.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on July 02, 2020, 01:31:30 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history but that we cannot whitewash history to our current norms.

I agree that it some cases it is lazy activism. However, many of these statues and names and so on have been the subject of ongoing efforts for years. Just because all of a sudden there is a groundswell of awareness in the wake of George Floyd doesn’t make it an invalid concern. Sometimes it takes single, large events to shift public opinion and change society for the better. Do you think Mississippi changing its flag was the correct thing to do, or should they have tried to hold on yet again and continued to honour the confederacy?

And how is making such changes “whitewashing” history? No one is going to forget the US Civil War or the worldwide slave trade or the fact that racism was and is a problem for black people. There are no statues to Hitler or use of the Nazi swastika except maybe in a few bigoted, white supremacist clubs, but no one is forgetting or diluting what he and his henchmen inflicted on the world.
Mississippi changing the flag is the right thing to do. The confederate flag is A symbol of that time and is still used as a symbol of division. I wouldn’t cancel Dukes of Hazard because they had it in the roof of the General Lee.
Confederate Generals, Rhodes, Coulson I am in 2 minds about.

There is an expression don’t seek to offend, don’t seek to be offended.

By whitewashing I am referring to the removal of anyone and anything that does not meet today’s standards.

A few years ago Edinburgh considered putting up a statue of JK Rowling. If it had went up would her stance on Trans issues justify its removal?
The statue would not have been to celebrate her views.
The statue of Joe Dolan in Mullingar was not erected because he performed in South Africa during apartheid.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 02, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Is there a statute of limitations on this?
The Pyramids were built by slave owners.

No they weren't
The Egyptians didn’t have slaves?

At some points in the empire, they did. But not when the pyramids were built.

Does it matter in the context of this discussion?

No one is naming schools after Khufu or building statues to Ramses II or using flags or symbols from Ancient Egypt to make political points or intimidate.

Maybe someday our civilization will fall, a new one will rise, and ancient artifacts from our time will be looked on as archaeological curiosities rather than poisonous, still relevant, symbols from recent history.

Is anyone using Mitchell or Wayne to make political points or to intimidate?

I am trying to figure out when something becomes a curiosity of history that we can look back on.

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport or lived in that town and was aware of his statements, I might have some questions as to why he continues to be honoured.

As for your second question, you think a vanished civilization that built pyramids 5000 years ago is as relevant to society today as the enslavement and discrimination of black Americans?

If I was a black person flying into John Wayne airport I might think he was an old racist, but I might not be that bothered as he was representative of his time. I might know he was not being celebrated because of his views but because of his acting career. I might think the call out culture was not real activisim, it was a way of people feeling righteous and good about themselves without doing anything real and I might know that not everyone was pure or perfect, that everyone has flaws, that ideas and opinions evolved and not everything looks great through the microscope of history but that we cannot whitewash history to our current norms.

I agree that it some cases it is lazy activism. However, many of these statues and names and so on have been the subject of ongoing efforts for years. Just because all of a sudden there is a groundswell of awareness in the wake of George Floyd doesn’t make it an invalid concern. Sometimes it takes single, large events to shift public opinion and change society for the better. Do you think Mississippi changing its flag was the correct thing to do, or should they have tried to hold on yet again and continued to honour the confederacy?

And how is making such changes “whitewashing” history? No one is going to forget the US Civil War or the worldwide slave trade or the fact that racism was and is a problem for black people. There are no statues to Hitler or use of the Nazi swastika except maybe in a few bigoted, white supremacist clubs, but no one is forgetting or diluting what he and his henchmen inflicted on the world.
Mississippi changing the flag is the right thing to do. The confederate flag is A symbol of that time and is still used as a symbol of division. I wouldn’t cancel Dukes of Hazard because they had it in the roof of the General Lee.
Confederate Generals, Rhodes, Coulson I am in 2 minds about.

There is an expression don’t seek to offend, don’t seek to be offended.

By whitewashing I am referring to the removal of anyone and anything that does not meet today’s standards.

A few years ago Edinburgh considered putting up a statue of JK Rowling. If it had went up would her stance on Trans issues justify its removal?
The statue would not have been to celebrate her views.
The statue of Joe Dolan in Mullingar was not erected because he performed in South Africa during apartheid.

I accept that. This is not, in many cases, an easy, right/wrong issue.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on July 02, 2020, 02:36:31 PM
Why was Luke Kelly’s statue attacked recently?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on July 02, 2020, 02:40:50 PM
Why was Luke Kelly’s statue attacked recently?
Black Velvet Band.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: TabClear on July 02, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
Edit: Apologies in advance J70/Leo if I have messed up the quotes below. I was trying to cut down the text!

This is an important point from my perspective. As has been pointed out there are lots of things in society  that look pretty poor now because attitudes and society has changed. Thats not to say that it should have been accepted in the past but banning episodes of Only fools and horses or Fawlty towers is not doing much to address the true issues today. If anything I think they detract from it because a) it distracts attention from the true issues b) it tends to get an abnormal amount of media attention, particularly in the red tops because it is about a celebrity/favourite character etc and it is divisive which sells papers and c), and in my opinion most importantly, it  puts the more moderate, balanced individual off supporting more meaningful action because they dont want to be associated with some raving looney on social media who is burning effigies of Basil Fawlty in one post while the next post is calling for a valid legislative or social change.

I know the examples above are slightly tongue in cheek but I am firmly of the view that many of these movements be it feminism, anti racism, LBGT etc are hurt by their most ardent supporters purely because they refuse to see anything other than injustice wherever possible (i.e. seek to be offended) and like nothing better than a social media crusade or witchhunt. One that sticks in my head last year (due to the amount of said books in my kids bedrooms!) was when the Mr Men and Little MIss books were accused of sexism by some clown who decided to take offense at a one line joke in one book because a female character was deemed to be the butt of teh joke. Jesus wept!



Mississippi changing the flag is the right thing to do. The confederate flag is A symbol of that time and is still used as a symbol of division. I wouldn’t cancel Dukes of Hazard because they had it in the roof of the General Lee.
Confederate Generals, Rhodes, Coulson I am in 2 minds about.

There is an expression don’t seek to offend, don’t seek to be offended.

By whitewashing I am referring to the removal of anyone and anything that does not meet today’s standards.

A few years ago Edinburgh considered putting up a statue of JK Rowling. If it had went up would her stance on Trans issues justify its removal?
The statue would not have been to celebrate her views.
The statue of Joe Dolan in Mullingar was not erected because he performed in South Africa during apartheid.

I accept that. This is not, in many cases, an easy, right/wrong issue.

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: ONeill on July 02, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
I don't like the look of those tin men up in Strabane.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LeoMc on July 02, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
I don't like the look of those tin men up in Strabane.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2020, 07:26:27 PM
David Starkey.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2020, 09:55:44 PM
Dave Portnoy.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on July 02, 2020, 10:05:02 PM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2020, 10:08:39 PM
Had to google the last one, net worth £450 million, he’ll not give a hoot

But Starkey? WTF?

Now Columbus! Worlds gone crazy
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 02, 2020, 10:09:59 PM
Ewan MacKenna

(cant find his thread was it deleted)?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on July 02, 2020, 10:10:34 PM
Manchester City's fifth goal.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on July 02, 2020, 10:51:57 PM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2020, 10:57:11 PM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

The Vikings ?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 02, 2020, 11:06:58 PM
Washington Redskins under p too
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Capt Pat on July 02, 2020, 11:13:17 PM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

The Vikings ?

Brendan was the first.

More correctly the places didn't need to be discovered as they were already occupied and discovered.

I don't see what Columbus did wrong. All he did was discover the place. The wrongs that were committed against the natives and blacks etc were done by those who came after him.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

The Vikings ?

Brendan was the first.

More correctly the places didn't need to be discovered as they were already occupied and discovered.

I don't see what Columbus did wrong. All he did was discover the place. The wongs that were committed against the natives and blacks etc were done by those who came after him.
Jesus dont mention the wongs.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on July 02, 2020, 11:18:06 PM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

The Vikings ?

Brendan was the first.

More correctly the places didn't need to be discovered as they were already occupied and discovered.

I don't see what Columbus did wrong. All he did was discover the place. The wongs that were committed against the natives and blacks etc were done by those who came after him.
Jesus dont mention the wongs.
;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: JoG2 on July 02, 2020, 11:22:58 PM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

The Vikings ?

Brendan was the first.

More correctly the places didn't need to be discovered as they were already occupied and discovered.

I don't see what Columbus did wrong. All he did was discover the place. The wongs that were committed against the natives and blacks etc were done by those who came after him.
Jesus dont mention the wongs.
;D

A genuine lol moment  :D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on July 02, 2020, 11:55:49 PM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

The Vikings ?

Brendan was the first.

More correctly the places didn't need to be discovered as they were already occupied and discovered.

I don't see what Columbus did wrong. All he did was discover the place. The wongs that were committed against the natives and blacks etc were done by those who came after him.
Jesus dont mention the wongs.

There’ll be no statue for you Tony  ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 03, 2020, 01:47:02 AM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

Who knows?

Its terrible given that all historical knowledge hinges on a few statues.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on July 03, 2020, 01:48:56 AM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

The Vikings ?

Brendan was the first.

More correctly the places didn't need to be discovered as they were already occupied and discovered.

I don't see what Columbus did wrong. All he did was discover the place. The wrongs that were committed against the natives and blacks etc were done by those who came after him.

You might want to look into that again.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: armaghniac on July 03, 2020, 09:02:55 AM
Sure everyone knows that St Brendan 'discovered' America. Colombus came to Ireland to research his trip. Since St Brendan likely didn't kill anyone or enslave them then his statue should go there.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2020, 09:25:29 AM
What nation has not been offended? What community has not been offend or culture or skin colour? This could go on for a long time!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: johnnycool on July 03, 2020, 09:56:16 AM
Washington Redskins under p too

No pressure on Notre Dame to remove their wee mascot thingy?

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 03, 2020, 10:11:38 AM
Christopher Columbus statues coming down all over USA and Columbus Ohio talking about a name change, pure madness

That is mad

So will CC be erased from history? Who will they say discovered America now?

The Vikings ?

Brendan was the first.

More correctly the places didn't need to be discovered as they were already occupied and discovered.

I don't see what Columbus did wrong. All he did was discover the place. The wrongs that were committed against the natives and blacks etc were done by those who came after him.

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: armaghniac on July 03, 2020, 10:23:48 AM
America might not have been discovered, but setting up travel to there from Europe was an important achievement.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: johnnycool on July 03, 2020, 10:30:29 AM
America might not have been discovered, but setting up travel to there from Europe was an important achievement.

For who?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 03, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
America might not have been discovered, but setting up travel to there from Europe was an important achievement.

I think the locals might have disagreed.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on July 03, 2020, 10:00:16 PM
Mount Rushmore
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on July 03, 2020, 10:19:31 PM
Mount Rushmore
I think Off The Ball just ran out of counties to do one for.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on July 03, 2020, 11:30:10 PM
Mount Rushmore

Don’t you mean Count Rushmore?

Are the protestors hacking away at the presidents with chisels or what?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Tony Fearon

Does he still read the board?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 08, 2020, 11:06:43 AM
Tony Fearon

Does he still read the board?

Was he not the fella got banned over some rant about Catholic Church?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Denn Forever on July 08, 2020, 01:30:50 PM
Pro or Con?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 08, 2020, 01:58:45 PM
Can't mind the exact ins and outs of it but it went through about 4 or 5 different threads bringing up points that weren't addressed in the main thread.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 08, 2020, 02:23:45 PM
Can't mind the exact ins and outs of it but it went through about 4 or 5 different threads bringing up points that weren't addressed in the main thread.
There was a particular thread about child abuse within the Church and at one point I think he was saying the parents had to accept responsibility for not looking after the children properly. Something to that effect.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on July 08, 2020, 02:30:56 PM
Can't mind the exact ins and outs of it but it went through about 4 or 5 different threads bringing up points that weren't addressed in the main thread.
There was a particular thread about child abuse within the Church and at one point I think he was saying the parents had to accept responsibility for not looking after the children properly. Something to that effect.

...and that got him banned?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on July 08, 2020, 02:32:21 PM
Mount Rushmore

Don’t you mean Count Rushmore?

Are the protestors hacking away at the presidents with chisels or what?

The guy who painted the faces on the mountain?

Why was Mount Rushmere not an issue for left wing socialist Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton or in 2008 the African-American presendential hopeful Barack Obama?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 08, 2020, 03:02:33 PM
Can't mind the exact ins and outs of it but it went through about 4 or 5 different threads bringing up points that weren't addressed in the main thread.
There was a particular thread about child abuse within the Church and at one point I think he was saying the parents had to accept responsibility for not looking after the children properly. Something to that effect.

...and that got him banned?

Lets just say it was a cumulation of things 😉😃
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: laoislad on July 08, 2020, 03:28:03 PM
Can't mind the exact ins and outs of it but it went through about 4 or 5 different threads bringing up points that weren't addressed in the main thread.
There was a particular thread about child abuse within the Church and at one point I think he was saying the parents had to accept responsibility for not looking after the children properly. Something to that effect.

...and that got him banned?
He was defending the Padeo Priests and blaming the Parents of the kids that were abused.
Also said if his son or daughter was Gay he would disown them.
He was/is a cnut,good riddance to him.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on July 08, 2020, 04:43:58 PM
Can't mind the exact ins and outs of it but it went through about 4 or 5 different threads bringing up points that weren't addressed in the main thread.
There was a particular thread about child abuse within the Church and at one point I think he was saying the parents had to accept responsibility for not looking after the children properly. Something to that effect.

...and that got him banned?
He was defending the Padeo Priests and blaming the Parents of the kids that were abused.
Also said if his son or daughter was Gay he would disown them.
Quite a difference between that and the description highlighted in bold above.
Quote
He was/is a cnut,good riddance to him.
Charming, that.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on July 08, 2020, 04:53:06 PM
Don't think Fearon was banned.. He's still entering every competition he can on Twitter.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: ONeill on July 15, 2020, 01:59:00 PM
Angry Claude off AFTV is a faller.

Had never heard of that particular racial slur before now.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on July 15, 2020, 02:08:46 PM
You wouldn’t have, you reel to reel.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on July 15, 2020, 02:15:30 PM
Mount Rushmore

Don’t you mean Count Rushmore?

Are the protestors hacking away at the presidents with chisels or what?

The guy who painted the faces on the mountain?

Why was Mount Rushmere not an issue for left wing socialist Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton or in 2008 the African-American presendential hopeful Barack Obama?


Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 16, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
Surprised they never went after Gervais and The Office, there was some close to the bone gags in that one on a variety of areas. Maybe the style of the show prevents it from getting too much heat?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: ONeill on July 16, 2020, 09:28:40 AM
You wouldn’t have, you reel to reel.

Sounds like an ageist/culchie slur to me.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on July 16, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
Victims of "cancel culture":

Barry Cowen
The 8th Amendment
Harvey Weinstein
Rule 42
Fr. Brendan Smyth
Magdalene laundries
The RUC
The Berlin Wall
Apartheid in South Africa
The right of a man to have sex with his wife at any time without being accused of rape
The marriage bar in the Civil Service
The GAA "ban"
The Nazis
The British Empire
The Black and Tans
Captain Boycott

Shame, shame, shame on you cancellers
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on July 16, 2020, 05:01:54 PM
Victims of "cancel culture":

Barry Cowen
The 8th Amendment
Harvey Weinstein
Rule 42
Fr. Brendan Smyth
Magdalene laundries
The RUC
The Berlin Wall
Apartheid in South Africa
The right of a man to have sex with his wife at any time without being accused of rape
The marriage bar in the Civil Service
The GAA "ban"
The Nazis
The British Empire
The Black and Tans
Captain Boycott

Shame, shame, shame on you cancellers

Of that long list, only the top 3 existed as public figures or phenomena in the past 2-3 years since cancel culture became a big issue. The rest is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on July 16, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Victims of "cancel culture":

Barry Cowen
The 8th Amendment
Harvey Weinstein
Rule 42
Fr. Brendan Smyth
Magdalene laundries
The RUC
The Berlin Wall
Apartheid in South Africa
The right of a man to have sex with his wife at any time without being accused of rape
The marriage bar in the Civil Service
The GAA "ban"
The Nazis
The British Empire
The Black and Tans
Captain Boycott

Shame, shame, shame on you cancellers

Of that long list, only the top 3 existed as public figures or phenomena in the past 2-3 years since cancel culture became a big issue. The rest is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
if Twitter disappeared somehow so would cancel culture. People like Gervais don’t care what is said about them on Twitter .
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on July 16, 2020, 07:30:34 PM
Victims of "cancel culture":

Barry Cowen
The 8th Amendment
Harvey Weinstein
Rule 42
Fr. Brendan Smyth
Magdalene laundries
The RUC
The Berlin Wall
Apartheid in South Africa
The right of a man to have sex with his wife at any time without being accused of rape
The marriage bar in the Civil Service
The GAA "ban"
The Nazis
The British Empire
The Black and Tans
Captain Boycott

Shame, shame, shame on you cancellers

Of that long list, only the top 3 existed as public figures or phenomena in the past 2-3 years since cancel culture became a big issue. The rest is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

All are victims of so called "cancel culture".

So called "cancel culture" either includes the above, or it is not actually a thing.

Online posters who use latin and the word "fallacy" to are generally dunderheads.

Especially people who are pushing a concept designed to protect establishment power but who then throw their toys out of the pram when they're presented with obvious examples of the concept they're trying to push - examples they don't like.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on July 16, 2020, 09:53:37 PM
All of the following are victims and/or targets of so called "cancel culture".

Otherwise the term is completely meaningless.

Colin Kaepernick
Alfred Dreyfus
Martin Luther King
Robert F. Kennedy
Michael Collins
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe
Muhammad Ali
Airey Neave
Iris Robinson
Jim Lynagh
Gerry Adams
Paul Canoville (1980s Chelsea player)
The victims of Anders Behring Breivik
Richard Bacon
Judge Maurice Gibson and his wife
Dermot Morgan
Ferenc Puskas
Clive Tyldesley
Diane Abbott
Alexander Vindman
Marie Yovanovitch
Maria Bailey
Mick McCarthy
Noel Browne
Des O'Malley
Julian Assange
Ibrahim Halawa
Rody Molloy (FÁS)
Paul Kelly (Rehab)
Garth Brooks - Croke Park 2014
Margaret Thatcher
Winston Churchill
Eileen Flynn (teacher in Wexford)
The Paris Climate Accord
Reality Winner (whistleblower about Russian interference in US elections)
Eamon Coleman
Gerald McCarthy
Justin McCarthy
Babs Keating
Nicolas Anelka
Jeremy Corbyn
Rebecca Long-Bailey
Ken Livingstone
David Irving
Shamima Begum
Evo Morales
Henry Kissinger
Veronica Guerin
Johann Hari
Nicolae and Elena Ceaucescu
The victims of the Christchurch Mosque murderer
Michelle Smith-De Bruin
That Harlequins player with the fake blood capsule in his mouth and coach Dean Richards
Dominic McGlinchey
Hillary Clinton
Angus Deayton
Hansie Cronje
Israel Folau
Wendell Sailor
Lance Armstrong
Paul Kimmage
Joanne Hayes
Garda Maurice McCabe
Clare Daly TD
The Nelson pillar, Dublin
Ron Davies MP (Welsh Secretary 1998)
That Scotch Chief Medical Officer whose name I can't remember
Ilhan Omar
Tony Keady
Sackville Street, Dublin
DeSean Jackson
Face masks during Covid-19
Covid-19
The European Union
California Democratic Congresswoman Katie Hill
OJ Simpson
Vaccines
The Lenin Stadium, Moscow
Al Franken
The families of the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre
Daphne Caruana Galizia
Saddam Hussein
Colonel Muammar Gadaffi
Tony Blair
Jamal Khashoggi
Sergei Skripal
Ron Atkinson
Michael D. Higgins
John Bercow
Adam Schiff
The Bloody Sunday victims
Tim Parry and Jonathan Ball
Salvador Allende
Jason Lee (1990s footballer)
Luke Chadwick
Mo Johnston
Mohammad Mossadegh
Professor Neil Ferguson
Nelson Mandela
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
Ivan Rogers UK civil servant
Sir Kim Darroch UK ambassador to US
Mark Sedwill UK civil servant
Dominic Grieve MP
Cigarette smoking in pubs
Drink driving
Leo Varadkar
Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle
The idea that wage increases should keep pace with productivity gains
Trade unions
Black Lives Matter
The Irish language
The Incas
The sacred Black Hills of the Lakota Sioux (one of which is now called "Mount Rushmore")
TV licence fees
British Rail
Frank Bough
Public healthcare
Roderic O'Gorman
The victims of the Amritsar massacre
Frances Fitzgerald
The Romanovs
The Italian House of Savoy
Osama Bin Laden
The Sun newspaper in Liverpool
Ghislaine Maxwell
John Carlos and Tommie Smith, also Peter Norman (black power salute at Mexico '68)
The victims of lynching in the Jim Crow era in the US
Tom Humphries
Anna Politkovskaya
The victims of the Sharpeville massacre
Michael Brown
Eric Garner
Ahmaud Arbery
Breonna Taylor
George Floyd
























Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on July 17, 2020, 09:07:57 AM
the dambusters dog
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 17, 2020, 10:02:42 AM
the dambusters dog

"That was in the 40s aswell before racism was bad"

David Brent
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on July 30, 2020, 10:17:33 PM
The Argos catalogue

This is classic "cancel culture" in action, whatever it's supposed to mean
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 30, 2020, 10:18:13 PM
The Argos catalogue

This is classic "cancel culture" in action, whatever it's supposed to mean
Gutted. Our wee fella loves them.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Capt Pat on July 31, 2020, 12:15:03 AM
The statues of so called slaves outside the shelbourne hotel.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 31, 2020, 09:25:43 AM
The statues of so called slaves outside the shelbourne hotel.

'So called' slaves? They had manacles on their feet. Pressure for their removal came from the American owners.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on July 31, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
The statues of so called slaves outside the shelbourne hotel.

'So called' slaves? They had manacles on their feet. Pressure for their removal came from the American owners.

This is disputed. "Ankle bracelets" have been mentioned. I'm not in a position to judge but manacles would be an odd item to depict on Victorian-era decorative statuary.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on July 31, 2020, 12:04:40 PM
The statues of so called slaves outside the shelbourne hotel.

'So called' slaves? They had manacles on their feet. Pressure for their removal came from the American owners.
Bloody communist libertarian capitalists, you couldn't be up to them
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 31, 2020, 07:00:55 PM
Not before time.

https://www.thejournal.ie/gemma-odoherty-twitter-5165384-Jul2020/?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on August 01, 2020, 06:00:35 PM
Tampax ads
TikTok

The raving right-wing loonies at it again with their beloved cancel culture

They hate free speech
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Capt Pat on August 02, 2020, 12:23:11 PM
Ellen De Generis and her show.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: general_lee on August 02, 2020, 12:31:31 PM
Paddy Raff... if Jamie Bryson gets his way lol
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on August 02, 2020, 01:08:29 PM
Paddy Raff... if Jamie Bryson gets his way lol
That’s no great loss.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: GJL on August 02, 2020, 01:10:37 PM
Paddy Raff... if Jamie Bryson gets his way lol
That’s no great loss.

His TV stuff is middling but the stuff on LAD was first class.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on August 02, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
Paddy Raff... if Jamie Bryson gets his way lol
That’s no great loss.

His TV stuff is middling but the stuff on LAD was first class.
It’s not middling. It’s utter shite.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on August 02, 2020, 02:06:45 PM
Ellen De Generis and her show.

Good. Can’t stand that woman
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Minder on August 02, 2020, 05:40:59 PM
Paddy Raff... if Jamie Bryson gets his way lol
That’s no great loss.

His TV stuff is middling but the stuff on LAD was first class.
It’s not middling. It’s utter shite.

Yep total shite, LAD & his current “comedy”
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: imtommygunn on August 02, 2020, 07:31:14 PM
I couldn’t believe how bad his tv show was. Only watched one but dunno if there was more.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: armaghniac on August 02, 2020, 07:48:29 PM
You'd get better jokes on GAA board from mere amateurs.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: ONeill on August 02, 2020, 09:56:05 PM
Paddy Raff... if Jamie Bryson gets his way lol
That’s no great loss.

His TV stuff is middling but the stuff on LAD was first class.
It’s not middling. It’s utter shite.

I was starting to think I was the only one who could see this.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: imtommygunn on August 02, 2020, 10:05:38 PM
While I don’t think he’s hugely funny is it really a reason to cancel him? Because he antagonised Bryson and people of that ilk who fully deserve it? (I’m not even sure he was the one that did all that)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: delgany on August 02, 2020, 10:15:06 PM
Paddy Raff... if Jamie Bryson gets his way lol
That’s no great loss.

His TV stuff is middling but the stuff on LAD was first class.
It’s not middling. It’s utter shite.

I was starting to think I was the only one who could see this.

TV show was completely dire!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Minder on August 02, 2020, 10:31:25 PM
I couldn’t believe how bad his tv show was. Only watched one but dunno if there was more.

He has a decent Twitter following which seems to count for a lot these days
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2020, 11:28:10 PM
While I don’t think he’s hugely funny is it really a reason to cancel him? Because he antagonised Bryson and people of that ilk who fully deserve it? (I’m not even sure he was the one that did all that)
He has the odd good wee standalone skit on his socials but not enough to carry a 30 min tv episode.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on August 03, 2020, 07:47:14 AM
Tony Fearon tells better jokes.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on August 03, 2020, 09:11:23 AM
Tony Fearon tells better jokes.

Did Tony Fearon get canceled?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 04, 2020, 10:58:12 AM
I see a business belonging to McWhearty (of LAdfleg fame) had its windows put in last night.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 04, 2020, 11:04:37 AM
Tony Fearon tells better jokes.

Did Tony Fearon get canceled?

Banned I think.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: JohnDenver on August 05, 2020, 10:30:43 AM
Laura Whitmore is getting her share of attention today on twitter (probably could have went on the twitter thread)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Itchy on August 05, 2020, 02:45:26 PM
Laura Whitmore is getting her share of attention today on twitter (probably could have went on the twitter thread)

Just another stupid person of her generation in this country.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on August 06, 2020, 05:55:08 PM
Yet another innocent victim of  woke cancel culture gets the chop.

David Duke, ex Fine Gael and ex grand wizard of the KKK, current Trump/Farage devotee.
After 11 years tweeting harmless race hate messages etc , Twitter finally suspended his account for good. 
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on August 15, 2020, 01:15:00 AM
Extreme Trump fanboi Bill Mitchell.

The white supremacist on the US politics thread will need to find a new far right Twitter account to copy and paste his posts from - should take about one second.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on August 21, 2020, 10:25:32 AM
Dara Calleary, another victim of "cancel culture"

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on August 25, 2020, 10:11:07 AM
From the man who refuses to be cancelled the intrepid Woody Allen, I listened to his nearly cancelled book which also gives account of the concerted attempts to cancel him, to boycott him. It’s read by Woody himself.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on August 27, 2020, 11:10:39 AM
So called "cancel culture" has claimed Big Phil Hogan

Also Republican Jew hater Mary-Ann Mendoza, you can't even deny the Holocaust these days and those nasty cancellers want to cancel you

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on August 27, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
Not yet "cancelled": white supremacist terrorism supporter Tucker Carlson

Seems the power of so called "cancel culture" may be overrated
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 02:37:06 PM
Jeff Stelling ‘considering quitting Soccer Saturday’ after ‘best mates’ Le Tissier, Thompson and Nicholas get sacked.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on September 13, 2020, 08:45:54 PM
Fascist Catholic-hater David Vance

This is an outrage! Those damn lefties silencing brave freeze peach warriors!

Also cancelled: "left-wing comedy" on BBC (wasn't aware there much of it, but there you go)

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 13, 2020, 10:51:31 PM
Question of Sport presenter and team captains.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Bronco on September 13, 2020, 10:52:43 PM
Long overdue, it's been treading water for over a decade.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2020, 10:54:45 PM
Question of Sport presenter and team captains.

Why?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Kidder81 on September 13, 2020, 10:57:27 PM
Question of Sport presenter and team captains.

Why?

Wrong colour I assume and too old
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2020, 11:03:02 PM
Question of Sport presenter and team captains.

Why?

Wrong colour I assume and too old

Ah, it’s the only ‘sports’ show my wife will watch!

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Bronco on September 13, 2020, 11:07:10 PM
Wrong colour? What are you trying to say here?

Question of Sport presenter and team captains.

Why?

Wrong colour I assume and too old
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on September 13, 2020, 11:14:30 PM
Wrong colour? What are you trying to say here?

Question of Sport presenter and team captains.

Why?

Wrong colour I assume and too old
He is saying that they are white and that the BBC have identified this programme as one that requires an overhaul of personnel in order to have a more diverse ethnical representation.

Probably.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Bronco on September 13, 2020, 11:23:07 PM
Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 14, 2020, 12:10:13 AM
QoS has been stale for a good few years now so I'd say it's a combination of freshening up and ticking a diversity box for presenter and captains. I'd not die of shock if Sam Quek ends up a captain.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: laoislad on September 14, 2020, 06:41:53 AM
QoS has been stale for a good few years now so I'd say it's a combination of freshening up and ticking a diversity box for presenter and captains. I'd not die of shock if Sam Quek ends up a captain.
Had no idea who you were talking about so I look up Google.Glad I did. Tasty...
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2020, 08:43:28 AM
Was it still "tuffers" and dawson who were captains? They weren't really very funny anyway so it'd be as well get a shake up. Barker was fine - decent enough presenter.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2020, 08:43:39 AM
I don’t mind those two plonkers as captains. Not as good as Parrott and McCoist though.

But if they’re to replace anyone, it should be Barker. She can’t even read the questions.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: johnnycool on September 14, 2020, 09:23:24 AM
Wrong colour? What are you trying to say here?

Question of Sport presenter and team captains.

Why?

Wrong colour I assume and too old
He is saying that they are white and that the BBC have identified this programme as one that requires an overhaul of personnel in order to have a more diverse ethnical representation.

Probably.

Can't stand "Tuffers" and thon arrogant wee p***k who used to scrum half for England.
might start to watch it again.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Taylor on September 14, 2020, 09:27:59 AM
Delighted they are gone.
Brutal show with those 2 on it.

Its either a comedy show or a quiz show - cant be both
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2020, 09:30:14 AM
Wrong colour? What are you trying to say here?

Question of Sport presenter and team captains.

Why?

Wrong colour I assume and too old
He is saying that they are white and that the BBC have identified this programme as one that requires an overhaul of personnel in order to have a more diverse ethnical representation.

Probably.

Can't stand "Tuffers" and thon arrogant wee p***k who used to scrum half for England.
might start to watch it again.

Precisely. No loss. Forgetting diversity etc etc those kind of shows need shake ups every few years and those guys have been on it a long long time too so they're long overdue a change.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 14, 2020, 09:39:19 AM
+1 to all the above answers
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2020, 09:54:55 AM
Delighted they are gone.
Brutal show with those 2 on it.

Its either a comedy show or a quiz show - cant be both

That's the thing about it, its not meant to be a serious quiz show, and for the likes of my wife (who's not into sport at all) will sit and watch it and actually enjoy it..

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: johnnycool on September 14, 2020, 10:16:13 AM
Diversity getting a hard time for a BLM routine they did on BGT/X-FACTOR or whatever the wee girl was watching the other week.

i actually stopped what I was doing to watch it.

https://t.co/QxMUrMPZYn?amp=1 (https://t.co/QxMUrMPZYn?amp=1)


Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2020, 10:47:21 AM
Oh wait, I didn’t think they’d actually axed all three from QoS.

Who’ll be on it now? Dion Dublin, Prince Naseem as captains, and Clare Balding as host? That’s a lot of diversity covered there.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 14, 2020, 10:58:56 AM
QoS has been stale for a good few years now so I'd say it's a combination of freshening up and ticking a diversity box for presenter and captains. I'd not die of shock if Sam Quek ends up a captain.
Had no idea who you were talking about so I look up Google.Glad I did. Tasty...
Big Liverpool fan too.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: laoislad on September 14, 2020, 11:30:20 AM
QoS has been stale for a good few years now so I'd say it's a combination of freshening up and ticking a diversity box for presenter and captains. I'd not die of shock if Sam Quek ends up a captain.
Had no idea who you were talking about so I look up Google.Glad I did. Tasty...
Big Liverpool fan too.
The perfect woman....
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: square_ball on September 17, 2020, 12:45:14 PM
Alex Scott the new presenter of QOS. She must be loaded with the amount of gigs she’s getting.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Kidder81 on September 17, 2020, 12:53:14 PM
Alex Scott the new presenter of QOS. She must be loaded with the amount of gigs she’s getting.

Not a shocker
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on September 17, 2020, 02:18:38 PM
What was the reason given to replace the trio on Sky Sports (Le Tissier, Thompson and t’other one I can’t recall).

And who has replaced them?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: lurganblue on September 17, 2020, 02:44:34 PM
Alex Scott the new presenter of QOS. She must be loaded with the amount of gigs she’s getting.

I see no problem with that. Could be decent

What was the reason given to replace the trio on Sky Sports (Le Tissier, Thompson and t’other one I can’t recall).

And who has replaced them?

That they talked too much sh*te? I am just surprised that Merson survived.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Boycey on September 17, 2020, 03:00:39 PM
Alex Scott the new presenter of QOS. She must be loaded with the amount of gigs she’s getting.

I see no problem with that. Could be decent

What was the reason given to replace the trio on Sky Sports (Le Tissier, Thompson and t’other one I can’t recall).

And who has replaced them?

That they talked too much sh*te? I am just surprised that Merson survived.

Well the fact Merson survived should tell you it wasn't a talent issue! 
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on September 17, 2020, 03:14:27 PM
What was the reason given to replace the trio on Sky Sports (Le Tissier, Thompson and t’other one I can’t recall).

And who has replaced them?
Le Tissier was sacked because he's a Covidiot who promotes far right rallies

The other lads were gotten rid of to hide the reason for Le Tissier being sacked

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: square_ball on September 17, 2020, 03:34:49 PM
Alex Scott the new presenter of QOS. She must be loaded with the amount of gigs she’s getting.

I see no problem with that. Could be decent

Possibly though I hope they don’t go down the ‘banter’ route and keep it as a sports quiz show. There was a sports quiz show Holly Willoughby hosted on ITV and the ‘bantz’ was absolutely cringeworthy.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on September 17, 2020, 03:42:07 PM
Alex Scott the new presenter of QOS. She must be loaded with the amount of gigs she’s getting.

I see no problem with that. Could be decent

Possibly though I hope they don’t go down the ‘banter’ route and keep it as a sports quiz show. There was a sports quiz show Holly Willoughby hosted on ITV and the ‘bantz’ was absolutely cringeworthy.
Couldn't have been any worse than Soccer Saturday
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on September 17, 2020, 04:13:31 PM
Alex Scott the new presenter of QOS. She must be loaded with the amount of gigs she’s getting.

I see no problem with that. Could be decent

Possibly though I hope they don’t go down the ‘banter’ route and keep it as a sports quiz show. There was a sports quiz show Holly Willoughby hosted on ITV and the ‘bantz’ was absolutely cringeworthy.

The reason it’s kept going strong is because they’ve kept the same sort of format. Deviate from that and it’s goodnight, especially with new host/captains.

But I have a feeling the new format will be really bland.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Taylor on September 17, 2020, 04:43:35 PM
I had stopped watching it because the 'banter' element became unbearable.

Tuffnall & Dawson were insufferable tossers.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 17, 2020, 08:16:48 PM
What was the reason given to replace the trio on Sky Sports (Le Tissier, Thompson and t’other one I can’t recall).

And who has replaced them?
Le Tissier was sacked because he's a Covidiot who promotes far right rallies

The other lads were gotten rid of to hide the reason for Le Tissier being sacked

Who's in their stead?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on September 17, 2020, 08:18:15 PM
What was the reason given to replace the trio on Sky Sports (Le Tissier, Thompson and t’other one I can’t recall).

And who has replaced them?
Le Tissier was sacked because he's a Covidiot who promotes far right rallies

The other lads were gotten rid of to hide the reason for Le Tissier being sacked

Who's in their stead?
I think Tony Pulis and Clinton Morrison were on it last week, only glanced at it for a minute or two
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on September 17, 2020, 08:24:09 PM
I had stopped watching it because the 'banter' element became unbearable.

Tuffnall & Dawson were insufferable tossers.
Weren't Dawson and Austin Healey fierce troublemakers on the 2001 Lions tour when they didn't get picked for the test team, they badly undermined the spirit in the camp if I remember rightly

Dawson was a great player though, Healey not so much

Both would eat themselves if made of chocolate or any mildly pleasant edible substance

Healey was one of the original, self styled "Archbishops of Banterbury" who were about as funny as a pandemic
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Kidder81 on September 17, 2020, 08:31:29 PM
What was the reason given to replace the trio on Sky Sports (Le Tissier, Thompson and t’other one I can’t recall).

And who has replaced them?
Le Tissier was sacked because he's a Covidiot who promotes far right rallies

The other lads were gotten rid of to hide the reason for Le Tissier being sacked

Who's in their stead?
I think Tony Pulis and Clinton Morrison were on it last week, only glanced at it for a minute or two

And Glen Johnson
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Roesider on September 17, 2020, 08:43:35 PM
What was the reason given to replace the trio on Sky Sports (Le Tissier, Thompson and t’other one I can’t recall).

And who has replaced them?
Le Tissier was sacked because he's a Covidiot who promotes far right rallies

The other lads were gotten rid of to hide the reason for Le Tissier being sacked

Who's in their stead?
I think Tony Pulis and Clinton Morrison were on it last week, only glanced at it for a minute or two

And Glen Johnson

Glen of B&Q fame?

That's the type of brainiac you want on a quiz show.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2020, 09:50:42 PM
I had stopped watching it because the 'banter' element became unbearable.

Tuffnall & Dawson were insufferable tossers.
Weren't Dawson and Austin Healey fierce troublemakers on the 2001 Lions tour when they didn't get picked for the test team, they badly undermined the spirit in the camp if I remember rightly

Dawson was a great player though, Healey not so much

Both would eat themselves if made of chocolate or any mildly pleasant edible substance

Healey was one of the original, self styled "Archbishops of Banterbury" who were about as funny as a pandemic
The issue with Dawson was he was publishing a Lions diary in a British newspaper and was revealing issues in camp etc. The camp he was in. Mad when you think about it.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Taylor on September 18, 2020, 07:57:17 AM
I had stopped watching it because the 'banter' element became unbearable.

Tuffnall & Dawson were insufferable tossers.
Weren't Dawson and Austin Healey fierce troublemakers on the 2001 Lions tour when they didn't get picked for the test team, they badly undermined the spirit in the camp if I remember rightly

Dawson was a great player though, Healey not so much

Both would eat themselves if made of chocolate or any mildly pleasant edible substance

Healey was one of the original, self styled "Archbishops of Banterbury" who were about as funny as a pandemic

Ah Austin Healey - now there was a complete knobend.
English rugby were blessed with great players and even greater twats from that era
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: imtommygunn on September 18, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
Healey is a bigger twat than Dawson and that is saying something. The arrogance just oozes out of Dawson.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 18, 2020, 08:54:53 PM
Healey is a bigger twat than Dawson and that is saying something. The arrogance just oozes out of Dawson.
It is a rugby trope that the 9 on every team is an annoying wee tosser. England seem to have had more than their fair share. A lot of what Healey does is for pure windup value- the Welsh hate him and he revels in it.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on September 18, 2020, 10:57:32 PM
The really shocking thing here is the number of grown men supposedly with a brain on this forum who have outed themselves as AQoS watchers. Absolute drivel

As for twats whinging about Alex Scott getting it (Kidder appears to have a problem with black people getting jobs), she's an accomplished pro athlete, has a degree in sports journalism and has on camera experience. She's basically the ideal candidate for any non racist bellends.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: square_ball on September 18, 2020, 11:30:16 PM
The really shocking thing here is the number of grown men supposedly with a brain on this forum who have outed themselves as AQoS watchers. Absolute drivel


People who post on a sports forum watch a sports quiz on tv? Well I for one am in complete shock about that one.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Capt Pat on September 19, 2020, 12:28:32 AM
The really shocking thing here is the number of grown men supposedly with a brain on this forum who have outed themselves as AQoS watchers. Absolute drivel

As for twats whinging about Alex Scott getting it (Kidder appears to have a problem with black people getting jobs), she's an accomplished pro athlete, has a degree in sports journalism and has on camera experience. She's basically the ideal candidate for any non racist bellends.

Get out of it Gallsman it is a great show. It has been on for donkeys years and will be on for many more. It is great tv.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Kidder81 on September 19, 2020, 12:02:25 PM
The really shocking thing here is the number of grown men supposedly with a brain on this forum who have outed themselves as AQoS watchers. Absolute drivel

As for twats whinging about Alex Scott getting it (Kidder appears to have a problem with black people getting jobs), she's an accomplished pro athlete, has a degree in sports journalism and has on camera experience. She's basically the ideal candidate for any non racist bellends.

A decree in sports journalism ? Wow, I am impressed
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on September 19, 2020, 01:45:24 PM
The really shocking thing here is the number of grown men supposedly with a brain on this forum who have outed themselves as AQoS watchers. Absolute drivel

As for twats whinging about Alex Scott getting it (Kidder appears to have a problem with black people getting jobs), she's an accomplished pro athlete, has a degree in sports journalism and has on camera experience. She's basically the ideal candidate for any non racist bellends.

Get out of it Gallsman it is a great show. It has been on for donkeys years and will be on for many more. It is great tv.

It was good years ago. It's long since become lowest common denominator muck for twats who find the likes of "Tuffers" in any way witty or funny and mistake people being morons for "bantz".
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:32:34 PM
I don’t mind QoS, but the BBC are clearly playing their “we’re not racist” card on this.

I’m not particularly keen on Sue Barker, but the way her and the two captains were dropped was a bit shit. I could understand if they regularly changed host/captains every 3/4 years, or their contract ran out, or they got an offer from Sky etc. But they’ve obviously recently gone back to recording the show (as they’re spaced out in the studio - no, not in that way), and are during the series. So why the change now?

If the BBC are so diversitifiable, or whatever the word is, why didn’t they do it a couple of years ago?

Haven’t heard who the new captains are, but I’m assuming at least one of them will be non-white, otherwise why bother?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on September 20, 2020, 02:06:48 AM
You guys watch far too much English tv.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: An Astrail on September 21, 2020, 01:17:26 AM
Never the same after Willie Carson left
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on September 28, 2020, 03:18:30 PM
https://gript.ie/ming-someone-hacked-my-account-and-looked-for-nudey-pictures/

Is Ming the next to face the chop ?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: five points on September 28, 2020, 03:47:13 PM
https://gript.ie/ming-someone-hacked-my-account-and-looked-for-nudey-pictures/

Is Ming the next to face the chop ?

f**k away off using gript as a source.

What precisely is wrong with the story?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on September 29, 2020, 11:16:38 AM
https://gript.ie/ming-someone-hacked-my-account-and-looked-for-nudey-pictures/

Is Ming the next to face the chop ?

f**k away off using gript as a source.

lol I've genuinely no idea what Gript is.

It did happen though, apparently he was hacked  ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on September 29, 2020, 01:37:31 PM
https://gript.ie/ming-someone-hacked-my-account-and-looked-for-nudey-pictures/

Is Ming the next to face the chop ?

f**k away off using gript as a source.

lol I've genuinely no idea what Gript is.

It did happen though, apparently he was hacked  ;D
Gript is an Irish clone of US far right fake news propaganda sites, it should be trusted on precisely nothing

It's funded by people with a direct lineage to theocratic fascists Youth Defence

Anybody in doubt about what it is should have a listen to this podcast in which host William Campbell makes mince meat of the guy who runs Gript, John McGuirk

Campbell is exceedingly well researched and deserves a bigger platform, he's one of the few people in Irish media who can really pin down and expose slippery con artist shysters like McGuirk

https://blog.hereshow.ie/2019/10/heres-how-95-conservative-comment/
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on September 29, 2020, 02:29:42 PM
https://gript.ie/ming-someone-hacked-my-account-and-looked-for-nudey-pictures/

Is Ming the next to face the chop ?

f**k away off using gript as a source.

lol I've genuinely no idea what Gript is.

It did happen though, apparently he was hacked  ;D
Gript is an Irish clone of US far right fake news propaganda sites, it should be trusted on precisely nothing

It's funded by people with a direct lineage to theocratic fascists Youth Defence

Anybody in doubt about what it is should have a listen to this podcast in which host William Campbell makes mince meat of the guy who runs Gript, John McGuirk

Campbell is exceedingly well researched and deserves a bigger platform, he's one of the few people in Irish media who can really pin down and expose slippery con artist shysters like McGuirk

https://blog.hereshow.ie/2019/10/heres-how-95-conservative-comment/

Grand I'll give it a listen
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on September 29, 2020, 02:50:56 PM
As regards Ming it's fairly obvious what happened the other night

He's had the horn for Saoirse McHugh for a while

I don't think he's a terrible guy but the novelty has well and truly worn off at this stage, he's a rhetoric merchant and a bit of a gombeener who portrays himself as an outsider while doing feck all of substance to change things, and I'm not really sure what function he fulfils as a politician at this stage except garnering some celebrity for himself, I'm sure his constituents could do better than him
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Roesider on September 29, 2020, 03:21:25 PM
As regards Ming it's fairly obvious what happened the other night

He's had the horn for Saoirse McHugh for a while

I don't think he's a terrible guy but the novelty has well and truly worn off at this stage, he's a rhetoric merchant and a bit of a gombeener who portrays himself as an outsider while doing feck all of substance to change things, and I'm not really sure what function he fulfils as a politician at this stage except garnering some celebrity for himself, I'm sure his constituents could do better than him
`

We've seen this before where someone claims they have been hacked. At 2am.

Is there truth to the skinnydipping?

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: MoChara on September 30, 2020, 10:10:31 AM
As regards Ming it's fairly obvious what happened the other night

He's had the horn for Saoirse McHugh for a while

I don't think he's a terrible guy but the novelty has well and truly worn off at this stage, he's a rhetoric merchant and a bit of a gombeener who portrays himself as an outsider while doing feck all of substance to change things, and I'm not really sure what function he fulfils as a politician at this stage except garnering some celebrity for himself, I'm sure his constituents could do better than him
`

 
We've seen this before where someone claims they have been hacked. At 2am.

Is there truth to the skinnydipping?

Aye her and her husband went for a dip at her local beach in the nude, was in the guardian I think, you can see an arse cheek if your interested lol
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Roesider on September 30, 2020, 10:25:21 AM
As regards Ming it's fairly obvious what happened the other night

He's had the horn for Saoirse McHugh for a while

I don't think he's a terrible guy but the novelty has well and truly worn off at this stage, he's a rhetoric merchant and a bit of a gombeener who portrays himself as an outsider while doing feck all of substance to change things, and I'm not really sure what function he fulfils as a politician at this stage except garnering some celebrity for himself, I'm sure his constituents could do better than him
`

Aye her and her husband went for a dip at her local beach in the nude, was in the guardian I think, you can see an arse cheek if your interested lol
We've seen this before where someone claims they have been hacked. At 2am.

Is there truth to the skinnydipping?

So it wasn't a random google at 2am. it's not something you could admit to if you were guilty.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on October 21, 2020, 11:08:47 PM
Chris Pratt.

Because he didn't say who he's voting for, so hes automatically a fascist... or something.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on October 30, 2020, 01:47:20 PM
Bret Favre and Jack Nicklaus for endorsing DJT
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: LCohen on October 30, 2020, 01:52:41 PM
I think we need to agree a definition of cancelled
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Capt Pat on December 06, 2020, 07:16:24 PM
Roald Dahl. He said things that make it look like he didn't like the jews.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 12:19:37 AM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 09, 2021, 08:11:05 AM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391
Why not, Sid?
The sole object of the exercise was to offend te religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and causing extreme offence to the general public for no apparent reason isn't. IMO, enough reason to say Mac Grianna's "skit" shouldn't have been banned. He's a lucky hoor he doesn't live in Paris or he might have suffered the same fate as the Charlie Hebdo editor did when he decided t give the two fingers tp fundamentalist Muslims.
Them bastards are mad enough already without any eejit trying to stir them up.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: trailer on January 09, 2021, 09:37:24 AM
Bret Favre and Jack Nicklaus for endorsing DJT

Nicklaus was a w**ker long before he endorsed Trump, that just confirmed it.
As an aside Trump is everything that is wrong with Golf.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 10:48:05 AM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391
Why not, Sid?
The sole object of the exercise was to offend te religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and causing extreme offence to the general public for no apparent reason isn't. IMO, enough reason to say Mac Grianna's "skit" shouldn't have been banned. He's a lucky hoor he doesn't live in Paris or he might have suffered the same fate as the Charlie Hebdo editor did when he decided t give the two fingers tp fundamentalist Muslims.
Them bastards are mad enough already without any eejit trying to stir them up.
Remember 2015 when David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute were all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech"?

Why not now?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 11:00:13 AM
Bret Favre and Jack Nicklaus for endorsing DJT

Nicklaus was a w**ker long before he endorsed Trump, that just confirmed it.
As an aside Trump is everything that is wrong with Golf.
A few weeks back when Peter Alliss died I was watching his sublime commentary on Tiger Woods' chip in at the 16th at Augusta in 2005

I remembered that contrary to popular legend, that shot did not prove decisive in the tournament and that Woods lost the two shot lead he had after the 16th and was taken to a play off

The play off was against Chris DiMarco - Woods won the play off

DiMarco wasn't heard of much after that and I decided to do a quick Netscape about what he was up to now

I probably shouldn't have gone down that rabbit hole - because after clicking into Chris's Twitter, it quickly became apparent that he has gone down a very, very deep rabbit hole of his own, a far right one, one so far right that if he played the 12th at Augusta now, his tee shot would end up on the 13th fairway

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 09, 2021, 11:47:57 AM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391
Why not, Sid?
The sole object of the exercise was to offend te religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and causing extreme offence to the general public for no apparent reason isn't. IMO, enough reason to say Mac Grianna's "skit" shouldn't have been banned. He's a lucky hoor he doesn't live in Paris or he might have suffered the same fate as the Charlie Hebdo editor did when he decided t give the two fingers tp fundamentalist Muslims.
Them bastards are mad enough already without any eejit trying to stir them up.
Remember 2015 when David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute were all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech"?

Why not now?

If I were to walk up to the local bully and tell him he's a thundering bollox, the least I could expect is a belt on the nose or a kick up the hole. Telling him it's my right to offend anyone I want to will probably do no good.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 12:02:29 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391
Why not, Sid?
The sole object of the exercise was to offend te religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and causing extreme offence to the general public for no apparent reason isn't. IMO, enough reason to say Mac Grianna's "skit" shouldn't have been banned. He's a lucky hoor he doesn't live in Paris or he might have suffered the same fate as the Charlie Hebdo editor did when he decided t give the two fingers tp fundamentalist Muslims.
Them bastards are mad enough already without any eejit trying to stir them up.
Remember 2015 when David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute were all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech"?

Why not now?

If I were to walk up to the local bully and tell him he's a thundering bollox, the least I could expect is a belt on the nose or a kick up the hole. Telling him it's my right to offend anyone I want to will probably do no good.
Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?

The George Hook logic

Why were David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech" in 2015?

And why are they the exact opposite now?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on January 09, 2021, 02:35:57 PM
Bret Favre and Jack Nicklaus for endorsing DJT

Nicklaus was a w**ker long before he endorsed Trump, that just confirmed it.
As an aside Trump is everything that is wrong with Golf.
his charities have raised more than $125m and their charity also have children’s hospitals in the US and have provided health care to kids in 120 countries internationally, nothing compared to what your doing do I’m sure .
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 09, 2021, 03:16:21 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391
Why not, Sid?
The sole object of the exercise was to offend te religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and causing extreme offence to the general public for no apparent reason isn't. IMO, enough reason to say Mac Grianna's "skit" shouldn't have been banned. He's a lucky hoor he doesn't live in Paris or he might have suffered the same fate as the Charlie Hebdo editor did when he decided t give the two fingers tp fundamentalist Muslims.
Them bastards are mad enough already without any eejit trying to stir them up.
Remember 2015 when David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute were all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech"?

Why not now?

If I were to walk up to the local bully and tell him he's a thundering bollox, the least I could expect is a belt on the nose or a kick up the hole. Telling him it's my right to offend anyone I want to will probably do no good.
Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?

The George Hook logic

Why were David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech" in 2015?

And why are they the exact opposite now?
With due respect, I fail to see any connection, logical or otherwise, between Ms. Riedo setting out to walk home and Fungus Mac Grianna deliberately intending to cause widespread to others. The answer to your question is obvious- she certainly didn't expect the fate that awaited her. Mac Grianna knew full well that he was going to offend others.
Dunno nothing about #jesuischarlie and googling for it didn;t enlighten me very much.
PS I have no problem with  the  skit presenters exercising their right to free speech but, by that logic, I see no reason why those who were offended should not exercise their right to object strongly
 also.
The problem about the exercise of freedom of speech is that in theory it's fine but that isn't always the case in practice.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on January 09, 2021, 03:23:43 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on January 09, 2021, 03:48:15 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.

Horseshit. One is satire, one is flat out hate speech.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on January 09, 2021, 03:55:02 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.

Horseshit. One is satire, one is flat out hate speech.
i don’t think devout Catholics will be be heading anyone over the insults though .
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 03:59:52 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.
I would, and rightly so

Motive is everything, when members of the Republican party go on about Islam they do it to foment generalised race hatred, they are a Nazi party

I presume you boycott Father Ted given it makes fun of religion

I presume you were also up in arms about what Stephen Fry said about God to Gay Byrne a few years back

It's not that long since there Holy Josephines in the Late Late Show audience talking about God's Law trying to defend to the covering up of paedophilia in the Catholic Church

Mad that "Christians" are taking this as a personal insult given Jesus was a Jew

There are so many holes in the right-wing "free speech" grift it's hilarious

Almost like none of them believe a single word they say
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 04:23:12 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391
Why not, Sid?
The sole object of the exercise was to offend te religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and causing extreme offence to the general public for no apparent reason isn't. IMO, enough reason to say Mac Grianna's "skit" shouldn't have been banned. He's a lucky hoor he doesn't live in Paris or he might have suffered the same fate as the Charlie Hebdo editor did when he decided t give the two fingers tp fundamentalist Muslims.
Them bastards are mad enough already without any eejit trying to stir them up.
Remember 2015 when David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute were all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech"?

Why not now?

If I were to walk up to the local bully and tell him he's a thundering bollox, the least I could expect is a belt on the nose or a kick up the hole. Telling him it's my right to offend anyone I want to will probably do no good.
Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?

The George Hook logic

Why were David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech" in 2015?

And why are they the exact opposite now?
With due respect, I fail to see any connection, logical or otherwise, between Ms. Riedo setting out to walk home and Fungus Mac Grianna deliberately intending to cause widespread to others. The answer to your question is obvious- she certainly didn't expect the fate that awaited her. Mac Grianna knew full well that he was going to offend others.
Dunno nothing about #jesuischarlie and googling for it didn;t enlighten me very much.
PS I have no problem with  the  skit presenters exercising their right to free speech but, by that logic, I see no reason why those who were offended should not exercise their right to object strongly
 also.
The problem about the exercise of freedom of speech is that in theory it's fine but that isn't always the case in practice.

I don't see any connection between the murder of Manuela Riedo and an RTE sketch either - but then I don't see how your previous post was anything to do with the issue at hand

It seemed like an answer that had been dropped in mistakenly from another thread or something, it didn't make sense - nevertheless I ran with the logic of what you said - for some reason you created a hypothetical situation where a victim stood up to a bully and got assaulted - you seemed to blame the hypothetical victim

I referenced the murder of Manuela Riedo because it seemed relevant to the logic of your previous answer, which seemed to be that victims of assault deserve it - or that people have a responsibility to make sure they are not victims of a crime - they don't - it's the potential criminal's responsibility to make sure they don't commit a crime

Again, not sure any of that has to do with this sketch, but anyways

The sketch was done to offend others

So what

Offence is part of comedy

The issue arises when deliberate offence turns into hate speech, and I'm not sure how satirising God as a rapist is hate speech

The reason I've brought this up is that the self-styled Catholic right and their media "representatives" like the I Own Her Institute (I call them such as an insult designed to offend) have spent years as self-styled "free speech" grifters

This pro-"free speech" grifting seems to include defences of every sort of generalised hate speech and the right to make such

Six years ago they were defending the right of Charlie Hebdo to publish stuff that many Muslims in France saw as generalised race/sectarian hatred - I haven't read enough of Charlie Hebdo nor am I fluent enough in French to say whether that is indeed the case

But I know after the massacre of Charlie Hebdo staff, there were huge marches to defend the right of Charlie Hebdo and other to publish material many saw as offensive, thoroughly supported by the free speech grifters like I Own Her

#jesuischarlie hashtags were everywhere

Yet now The I Own Her Institute are all over this RTE sketch calling it blasphemous, a disgrace and shrieking that it be censored - this does not compute compared to their previous utterings

It seems like they have one rule for hate speech against everybody else and a different rule entirely for comedy sketches which ridicule anything close to their hearts
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rudi on January 09, 2021, 06:18:52 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.

Horseshit. One is satire, one is flat out hate speech.
i don’t think devout Catholics will be be heading anyone over the insults though .

Satire is meant to be funny, this was horseshit. 10 year olds up watching the countdown to new positive new year, watching that pure and utter scutter. Thankfully I was on Netflix.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 06:25:26 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.

Horseshit. One is satire, one is flat out hate speech.
i don’t think devout Catholics will be be heading anyone over the insults though .

Satire is meant to be funny, this was horseshit. 10 year olds up watching the countdown to new positive new year, watching that pure and utter scutter. Thankfully I was on Netflix.
Whether you found it funny or not is totally and utterly irrelevant

I don't find Mrs. Brown's Boys remotely funny but I'm not howling for it to be censored
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rossfan on January 09, 2021, 06:30:42 PM
RTÉ should be apologising for 60 years of absolute disasters of "comedies".
I wonder can the Mods ban Sid as I'm fed up seeing pages full of blocked posts?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 09, 2021, 07:51:46 PM
RTÉ should be apologising for 60 years of absolute disasters of "comedies".
I wonder can the Mods ban Sid as I'm fed up seeing pages full of blocked posts?
???
What has Sid done to upset you? He may be exercising his constitutional right to free speech even oif you don't agree with him, or in my case, I don't know wtf he is trying to say.
Defend Democracy!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on January 09, 2021, 07:59:25 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.

Horseshit. One is satire, one is flat out hate speech.
i don’t think devout Catholics will be be heading anyone over the insults though .

Too busy participating in or being complicit in the cover up of child rape I expect.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rossfan on January 09, 2021, 08:15:36 PM
RTÉ should be apologising for 60 years of absolute disasters of "comedies".
I wonder can the Mods ban Sid as I'm fed up seeing pages full of blocked posts?
???
What has Sid done to upset you? He may be exercising his constitutional right to free speech even oif you don't agree with him, or in my case, I don't know wtf he is trying to say.
Defend Democracy!
I have him and Angelo blocked so there are often full pages of posts I don't see ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rudi on January 09, 2021, 08:19:00 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.

Horseshit. One is satire, one is flat out hate speech.
i don’t think devout Catholics will be be heading anyone over the insults though .

Too busy participating in or being complicit in the cover up of child rape I expect.

Bollix talk, not all practising Catholics are bad. Practically every institution the world over have bad eggs, who fuk things up for the rest. Lazy narrative from a lapsed catholic.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on January 09, 2021, 08:21:18 PM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.

Horseshit. One is satire, one is flat out hate speech.
i don’t think devout Catholics will be be heading anyone over the insults though .

Too busy participating in or being complicit in the cover up of child rape I expect.

Bollix talk, not all practising Catholics are bad. Practically every institution the world over have bad eggs, who fuk things up for the rest. Lazy narrative from a lapsed catholic.
Go and read the post he was replying to....
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 08:28:58 PM
It's amazing how certain posters only see the "lazy narratives" they want to see, while engaging in copious lazy or bad faith narrativising themselves
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rudi on January 09, 2021, 08:32:08 PM
It's amazing how certain posters only see the "lazy narratives" they want to see, while engaging in copious lazy or bad faith narrativising themselves

You'd know all about it, the irony of your contributions here.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 08:33:54 PM
It's amazing how certain posters only see the "lazy narratives" they want to see, while engaging in copious lazy or bad faith narrativising themselves

You'd know all about it, the irony of your contributions here.
Self awareness is not your strong point, nor is awareness of anything else
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: joemamas on January 09, 2021, 08:36:35 PM
RTÉ should be apologising for 60 years of absolute disasters of "comedies".
I wonder can the Mods ban Sid as I'm fed up seeing pages full of blocked posts?
???
What has Sid done to upset you? He may be exercising his constitutional right to free speech even oif you don't agree with him, or in my case, I don't know wtf he is trying to say.
Defend Democracy!
I have him and Angelo blocked so there are often full pages of posts I don't see ;D

Likewise, just way too much drivel. how anyone can post four of five comments in a row mesmerizes me
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2021, 09:52:42 PM
It's amazing how certain posters only see the "lazy narratives" they want to see, while engaging in copious lazy or bad faith narrativising themselves

You accused a fellow poster of being a loyalist terrorist nazi sympathizer because of his name a few months ago. You've well and truly jumped the shark. 
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 09, 2021, 10:47:48 PM
It's amazing how certain posters only see the "lazy narratives" they want to see, while engaging in copious lazy or bad faith narrativising themselves

You accused a fellow poster of being a loyalist terrorist nazi sympathizer because of his name a few months ago. You've well and truly jumped the shark.
Untrue if it's the same poster you're thinking of

Some lads have no sense of humour around here








Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 10, 2021, 01:43:34 AM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391
Why not, Sid?
The sole object of the exercise was to offend te religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and causing extreme offence to the general public for no apparent reason isn't. IMO, enough reason to say Mac Grianna's "skit" shouldn't have been banned. He's a lucky hoor he doesn't live in Paris or he might have suffered the same fate as the Charlie Hebdo editor did when he decided t give the two fingers tp fundamentalist Muslims.
Them bastards are mad enough already without any eejit trying to stir them up.
Remember 2015 when David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute were all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech"?

Why not now?

If I were to walk up to the local bully and tell him he's a thundering bollox, the least I could expect is a belt on the nose or a kick up the hole. Telling him it's my right to offend anyone I want to will probably do no good.
Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?

The George Hook logic

Why were David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech" in 2015?

And why are they the exact opposite now?
With due respect, I fail to see any connection, logical or otherwise, between Ms. Riedo setting out to walk home and Fungus Mac Grianna deliberately intending to cause widespread to others. The answer to your question is obvious- she certainly didn't expect the fate that awaited her. Mac Grianna knew full well that he was going to offend others.
Dunno nothing about #jesuischarlie and googling for it didn;t enlighten me very much.
PS I have no problem with  the  skit presenters exercising their right to free speech but, by that logic, I see no reason why those who were offended should not exercise their right to object strongly
 also.
The problem about the exercise of freedom of speech is that in theory it's fine but that isn't always the case in practice.

I don't see any connection between the murder of Manuela Riedo and an RTE sketch either - but then I don't see how your previous post was anything to do with the issue at hand

It seemed like an answer that had been dropped in mistakenly from another thread or something, it didn't make sense - nevertheless I ran with the logic of what you said - for some reason you created a hypothetical situation where a victim stood up to a bully and got assaulted - you seemed to blame the hypothetical victim

I referenced the murder of Manuela Riedo because it seemed relevant to the logic of your previous answer, which seemed to be that victims of assault deserve it - or that people have a responsibility to make sure they are not victims of a crime - they don't - it's the potential criminal's responsibility to make sure they don't commit a crime

Again, not sure any of that has to do with this sketch, but anyways

The sketch was done to offend others

So what

Offence is part of comedy

The issue arises when deliberate offence turns into hate speech, and I'm not sure how satirising God as a rapist is hate speech

The reason I've brought this up is that the self-styled Catholic right and their media "representatives" like the I Own Her Institute (I call them such as an insult designed to offend) have spent years as self-styled "free speech" grifters

This pro-"free speech" grifting seems to include defences of every sort of generalised hate speech and the right to make such

Six years ago they were defending the right of Charlie Hebdo to publish stuff that many Muslims in France saw as generalised race/sectarian hatred - I haven't read enough of Charlie Hebdo nor am I fluent enough in French to say whether that is indeed the case

But I know after the massacre of Charlie Hebdo staff, there were huge marches to defend the right of Charlie Hebdo and other to publish material many saw as offensive, thoroughly supported by the free speech grifters like I Own Her

#jesuischarlie hashtags were everywhere

Yet now The I Own Her Institute are all over this RTE sketch calling it blasphemous, a disgrace and shrieking that it be censored - this does not compute compared to their previous utterings

It seems like they have one rule for hate speech against everybody else and a different rule entirely for comedy sketches which ridicule anything close to their hearts
Sid, I just read the first sentence in your reply and I gave up all hope of having a sensible discussion with you.
This is what I am referring to:
“I don't see any connection between the murder of Manuela Riedo and an RTE sketch either - but then I don't see how your previous post was anything to do with the issue at hand.”
 
Then, in the one I am quoting  now you came up with this:
 
“Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?
 
If you can’t see a contradiction here, you are gone past redemption as I know it.
I know you are a Dublin supporter and logic rests lightly on the shoulders of those who support the Blues but howe you can see a connection between the rape and murder of a defenceless young woman and an unfunny and to many offensive poorly-writtten script from RTE beats me.
Bridget and Eamon is a work of art when compared to this dollop of horseshit and talking about the right of anyone to exercising freedom of speech at taxpayers’ money is a travesty of justice.
So David Quinn and the Iona Institute are shrieking about something or other. So what? Them hoors have turned shrieking into an art form. But, by all accounts, RTE have received a huge number of complaints from the general public and have reacted accordingly.
I really can't understand what you're complaining about.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on January 10, 2021, 01:57:43 AM
Should never have apologised

#jesuisRTE
#jesuistherighttocallgodarapist


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/archbishop-denounces-rt%C3%A9-nye-show-s-satirical-report-accusing-god-of-rape-1.4448391


Bollocks. If Trump or anyone in the GOP said this about Islam you'd be all over it like a rash.

Horseshit. One is satire, one is flat out hate speech.
i don’t think devout Catholics will be be heading anyone over the insults though .

Too busy participating in or being complicit in the cover up of child rape I expect.

Bollix talk, not all practising Catholics are bad. Practically every institution the world over have bad eggs, who fuk things up for the rest. Lazy narrative from a lapsed catholic.

Of course "not all practising Catholics are bad" ffs. I would venture further than your oh so ringing endorsement as to say 99.99999999% of practicing Catholics are good.

The point was to completely ridicule his introduction of "Catholics won't behead people" to a discussion about satirising religion, in this case Catholicism and Islam. Maybe I'll go for a less subtle approach in future and draw it in crayon for you.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 10, 2021, 03:42:17 AM
It's amazing how certain posters only see the "lazy narratives" they want to see, while engaging in copious lazy or bad faith narrativising themselves

You accused a fellow poster of being a loyalist terrorist nazi sympathizer because of his name a few months ago. You've well and truly jumped the shark.
Untrue if it's the same poster you're thinking of

Some lads have no sense of humour around here

Let's take a look shall we?


Democracy is on a knife edge. Unhinged Trump.. Media trying to be fair and it ain’t working.
The media have enabled Trump for his whole life

They are enablers of fascism with constant false balance, false equivalence and deference

They are biased in favour of ratings even if it means they enable fascism

There will be many books written about the shameful failure of media in the face of Trump and his fascism over the last five years

No matter how many times you say Trump is a fascist, it won't make it true.

Has Biden denounced the Antifa terrorists yet? Or is he still telling people to bail them out? I mean, not even Trump said anything like that.
Some people said that about Hitler in the 1930s
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We are living through equally dangerous times, frankly anybody who isn't invoking the historical spectre of Hitler as regards Trump isn't paying attention at all

Trump's own defence secretary invoked comparisons to the Nazis about him

I hope you can sleep, actually I hope you can't - I wouldn't if I was so shamelessly on the wrong side of history like you, but I suppose in your case the shamelessness takes care of the sleeping

Another NI Catholic who rejects the lessons of their own their Irish history and then some

People like you were the natural allies of the Glennane Gang and the likes

Wise the f**k up Sid - coming out with that shite
I see no reason to spare feelings

What I wrote is entirely legitimate opinion and believe me, I would that tell that person the exact same thing to their face

The only confusion I have is what the user name "Red Hand 88" refers to

Given this is a GAA forum I would have assumed it referred to Tyrone and perhaps the year of birth of that poster or maybe significant year in their lives

But perhaps I was mistaken in that

Given the actual views of that poster one would have to say it's not impossible that "Red Hand 88" may refer to the Red Hand Defenders and "Heil Hitler"

The poster's views are typical of the sort you would expect from people who believe in such stuff

Who knows
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 10, 2021, 12:58:11 PM
What I wrote was spot on there

Exactly which part do you have a problem with

Explain why
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 10, 2021, 01:32:15 PM

Sid, I just read the first sentence in your reply and I gave up all hope of having a sensible discussion with you.
This is what I am referring to:
“I don't see any connection between the murder of Manuela Riedo and an RTE sketch either - but then I don't see how your previous post was anything to do with the issue at hand.”
 
Then, in the one I am quoting  now you came up with this:
 
“Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?
 
If you can’t see a contradiction here, you are gone past redemption as I know it.
I know you are a Dublin supporter and logic rests lightly on the shoulders of those who support the Blues but howe you can see a connection between the rape and murder of a defenceless young woman and an unfunny and to many offensive poorly-writtten script from RTE beats me.
Bridget and Eamon is a work of art when compared to this dollop of horseshit and talking about the right of anyone to exercising freedom of speech at taxpayers’ money is a travesty of justice.
So David Quinn and the Iona Institute are shrieking about something or other. So what? Them hoors have turned shrieking into an art form. But, by all accounts, RTE have received a huge number of complaints from the general public and have reacted accordingly.
I really can't understand what you're complaining about.

I don't see a connection between Manuela Riedo's murder and the RTE sketch and already said so - so why are you saying I do?

This was the question I orginally asked you


Remember 2015 when David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute were all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech"?

Why not now?

You responded with

If I were to walk up to the local bully and tell him he's a thundering bollox, the least I could expect is a belt on the nose or a kick up the hole. Telling him it's my right to offend anyone I want to will probably do no good.

But this reply made zero sense - it was a bizarre tangent - and didn't answer my question at all

Nevertheless - this bizarre tangent showed some troubling opinions on your part - you created a hypothetical scenario which showcased George Hook style victim blaming tendencies

Unprompted, seemingly from nowhere, you appeared to state that victims of assault bear some responsibility if they are assaulted - but they don't

That's why I referenced Manuela Riedo - because if one is to follow this bizarre George Hook-esque logic, one could hold that Manuela Riedo bore some responsibility for being attacked and murdered - but obviously she didn't

Anyway back to the sketch - which is what I thought we were supposed be talking about before you took us off on that tangent

I thought the sketch was both funny and well observed - it satirised religious belief about the so called "Immaculate Conception" - where Mary was impregnated with the zygote of the son of God, through no wish of her own - and compared it against current norms, as well as the #metoo movement

It was designed to offend religious sensibilities, to offend a belief, which is absolutely fair game - Father Ted did the same thing, and we all love Father Ted

I mean, in the same way, one could satirise holy communion as cannibalism - actually one doesn't have to - according to Catholic teaching itself, holy communion as given out at mass is cannibalism - as you're supposed to be eating the actual body of Christ

According to Catholic teaching itself, at mass the priest is supposed to be drinking the actual blood of Christ - so isn't this vampirism? Yes? That's what drinking the actual blood of others is

You didn't think the sketch was funny - so what - that's not a basis for an apology

The point is - why should RTE or Aengus MacGrianna apologise for what was a legitimate piece of satire?

The self proclaimed Catholic religious right have styled themselves as so called "free speech warriors" - up to and including apologism for and outright defences of many things most reasonable people would consider hate speech - they seem to be just fine with abhorrent, extreme right-wing politics worldwide

Yet now they're up in arms over this sketch - which shows them up as total and utter hypocrites who do not believe a word they previously said

It shows them up as holding moronic opinions - they think it's fine to utter hate speech against others - but it's apparently off limits to legitimately satirise the Catholic right's religious beliefs?

These are not legitimate opinions - they are moronic ones and deserve to be torn apart

This sketch wasn't hate speech - it was satire of actual religious teaching, satire of a legend from the bible

I don't see anything remotely wrong with that

Stand up comedian Kevin Bridges has based a sketch around the same thing satirised in the RTE sketch - and very funny it is too - in my opinion of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9B9UHlg3ig













Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: RedHand88 on January 10, 2021, 02:38:43 PM
Where are the mods?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: imtommygunn on January 10, 2021, 03:10:06 PM
They’re gone it seems. I don’t think this is moderated any more.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 10, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
God is a male-created personification of Good, evil being personified by the d-evil.  The rest is just made up to control you.  Personally I was always more scared of the good guy!!   But indoctrination is hard to question when it starts even before you were born, with that original sin.  You can work it out though (unless you still believe in Santa?!).  But in South Derry, to question your faith was also to question your allegiance to community, nationality, culture, identity, language etc.   Not true!  I cut out the religious baggage long ago and much happier for it.  Most people viewed the sketch as satire and funny until the Archbishop rallied support - the last kick of catholic 'influence' maybe?   But to feel insulted that someone's questioning the scientific evidence for an immaculate conception?  Surely, by Jaysus, we have to be more grown-up than that?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 10, 2021, 10:13:44 PM
They’re gone it seems. I don’t think this is moderated any more.
Mod3 is still active as a poster.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: JoG2 on January 10, 2021, 10:15:38 PM
They’re gone it seems. I don’t think this is moderated any more.
Mod3 is still active as a poster.

Tell me Sid and Angelo are not creations of the forum owners... Have to be. No-one has that much time on their hands (even during a pandemic) to be that repetitive and wordy!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 10, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
They’re gone it seems. I don’t think this is moderated any more.
Mod3 is still active as a poster.

Tell me Sid and Angelo are not creations of the forum owners... Have to be. No-one has that much time on their hands (even during a pandemic) to be that repetitive and wordy!
Sorry, I just did  a re-check and Mod3 hasn't posted since last May.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on January 10, 2021, 10:31:31 PM
They’re gone it seems. I don’t think this is moderated any more.
Mod3 is still active as a poster.

Tell me Sid and Angelo are not creations of the forum owners... Have to be. No-one has that much time on their hands (even during a pandemic) to be that repetitive and wordy!
Sorry, I just did  a re-check and Mod3 hasn't posted since last May.
February actually. Think he got cancelled.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 10, 2021, 10:49:30 PM
They’re gone it seems. I don’t think this is moderated any more.
Mod3 is still active as a poster.

Tell me Sid and Angelo are not creations of the forum owners... Have to be. No-one has that much time on their hands (even during a pandemic) to be that repetitive and wordy!
Sorry, I just did  a re-check and Mod3 hasn't posted since last May.
February actually. Think he got cancelled.
Nah, his last post was in May. I have had a few chats/slags with him over the years since he first PMed me for a chat and he used his Mod3 handle from time to time.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: hardstation on January 10, 2021, 11:06:32 PM
Nope, his last post was in February. He was last online in May.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rossfan on January 10, 2021, 11:49:25 PM
They’re gone it seems. I don’t think this is moderated any more.
Mod3 is still active as a poster.

Tell me Sid and Angelo are not creations of the forum owners... Have to be. No-one has that much time on their hands (even during a pandemic) to be that repetitive and wordy!
They gave to be.
No real people could be so one dimensional as those.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 12:16:13 AM
Nope, his last post was in February. He was last online in May.
I'm not going to push a point with you - the fact is that he, and it's a he, is no longer active.
The individual in question once PMed me using his poster handle- which was fair enough and we  stayed in periodic touch for a few years.
Then one time, inadvertently or otherwise, he contacted me as Mod3.
You seemed convinced that Ziggy Ego was in fact Mod3 and I asked him of I should PM you to put you out of your misery and he shot back saying he didn't give a f**k if to you knew who he was or not.
He made the reasonable point that , while he saw no point in advertising who he was, he had no problem admitting his identity if he had to.
Edit: You are right , his was last active in May. I may have said his last post was in May.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on January 11, 2021, 12:57:06 AM
Nope, his last post was in February. He was last online in May.
I'm not going to push a point with you - the fact is that he, and it's a he, is no longer active.
The individual in question once PMed me using his poster handle- which was fair enough and we  stayed in periodic touch for a few years.
Then one time, inadvertently or otherwise, he contacted me as Mod3.
You seemed convinced that Ziggy Ego was in fact Mod3 and I asked him of I should PM you to put you out of your misery and he shot back saying he didn't give a f**k if to you knew who he was or not.
He made the reasonable point that , while he saw no point in advertising who he was, he had no problem admitting his identity if he had to.
Edit: You are right , his was last active in May. I may have said his last post was in May.
I know we arsed around with the implication for months, I thought it was all a total písstake  but in good spirit. In other words, among the least likely posters to be  Mod3 was Ziggy Ego.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 01:01:16 AM
Discussions about mods always seem to come back to the who
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 08:41:59 AM

Sid, I just read the first sentence in your reply and I gave up all hope of having a sensible discussion with you.
This is what I am referring to:
“I don't see any connection between the murder of Manuela Riedo and an RTE sketch either - but then I don't see how your previous post was anything to do with the issue at hand.”
 
Then, in the one I am quoting  now you came up with this:
 
“Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?
 
If you can’t see a contradiction here, you are gone past redemption as I know it.
I know you are a Dublin supporter and logic rests lightly on the shoulders of those who support the Blues but howe you can see a connection between the rape and murder of a defenceless young woman and an unfunny and to many offensive poorly-writtten script from RTE beats me.
Bridget and Eamon is a work of art when compared to this dollop of horseshit and talking about the right of anyone to exercising freedom of speech at taxpayers’ money is a travesty of justice.
So David Quinn and the Iona Institute are shrieking about something or other. So what? Them hoors have turned shrieking into an art form. But, by all accounts, RTE have received a huge number of complaints from the general public and have reacted accordingly.
I really can't understand what you're complaining about.

I don't see a connection between Manuela Riedo's murder and the RTE sketch and already said so - so why are you saying I do?

This was the question I orginally asked you


Remember 2015 when David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute were all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech"?

Why not now?

You responded with

If I were to walk up to the local bully and tell him he's a thundering bollox, the least I could expect is a belt on the nose or a kick up the hole. Telling him it's my right to offend anyone I want to will probably do no good.

But this reply made zero sense - it was a bizarre tangent - and didn't answer my question at all

Nevertheless - this bizarre tangent showed some troubling opinions on your part - you created a hypothetical scenario which showcased George Hook style victim blaming tendencies

Unprompted, seemingly from nowhere, you appeared to state that victims of assault bear some responsibility if they are assaulted - but they don't

That's why I referenced Manuela Riedo - because if one is to follow this bizarre George Hook-esque logic, one could hold that Manuela Riedo bore some responsibility for being attacked and murdered - but obviously she didn't

Anyway back to the sketch - which is what I thought we were supposed be talking about before you took us off on that tangent

I thought the sketch was both funny and well observed - it satirised religious belief about the so called "Immaculate Conception" - where Mary was impregnated with the zygote of the son of God, through no wish of her own - and compared it against current norms, as well as the #metoo movement

It was designed to offend religious sensibilities, to offend a belief, which is absolutely fair game - Father Ted did the same thing, and we all love Father Ted

I mean, in the same way, one could satirise holy communion as cannibalism - actually one doesn't have to - according to Catholic teaching itself, holy communion as given out at mass is cannibalism - as you're supposed to be eating the actual body of Christ

According to Catholic teaching itself, at mass the priest is supposed to be drinking the actual blood of Christ - so isn't this vampirism? Yes? That's what drinking the actual blood of others is

You didn't think the sketch was funny - so what - that's not a basis for an apology

The point is - why should RTE or Aengus MacGrianna apologise for what was a legitimate piece of satire?

The self proclaimed Catholic religious right have styled themselves as so called "free speech warriors" - up to and including apologism for and outright defences of many things most reasonable people would consider hate speech - they seem to be just fine with abhorrent, extreme right-wing politics worldwide

Yet now they're up in arms over this sketch - which shows them up as total and utter hypocrites who do not believe a word they previously said

It shows them up as holding moronic opinions - they think it's fine to utter hate speech against others - but it's apparently off limits to legitimately satirise the Catholic right's religious beliefs?

These are not legitimate opinions - they are moronic ones and deserve to be torn apart

This sketch wasn't hate speech - it was satire of actual religious teaching, satire of a legend from the bible

I don't see anything remotely wrong with that

Stand up comedian Kevin Bridges has based a sketch around the same thing satirised in the RTE sketch - and very funny it is too - in my opinion of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9B9UHlg3ig
Sid, I don’t see us reaching a mutual understanding anytime soon and, as I don’t want to keep knocking on a closed door repeatedly, I’lli finish this discussion with this post.
 
At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”
 
What appears to be a matter of free speech to you is apparently incitement to hate to 5,000 others.
Does majority rule or not?
I don’t see much point in continuing a point picking exercise since the rules of logic don’t apply to you but I'll sign off with a few of the more noteworthy examples.
If you recall, you stated that there should have been no apology and I asked you why not.
I stated ,”The sole object of the exercise was to offend the religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and caused extreme offence to the general public …
 
Your bizarre reply was to accuse me of using Georg Hook logic and for a leap of imagination it is hard to beat this: Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?
Why exactly is that supposed to mean???
AS for David Quinn and the I Own Her (Iona?) Institute and Charlie Hebdo stickers, I had already pointed out that the magazine’s editor had already paid with his life for exercising his right to free speech and in so doing, five of his colleagues died along with him. A young gendarme was murdered also and scores of churches were razed to the ground in Ghana (?)   
What the editor may have supposed as a legitimate freedom of expression was taken by Muslin fundamentalists as an incitement to hatred with calamitous results for thousands of innocent people.
All the #jesuischarlies in the world cannot gainsay that.
At best they signalled to millions of fundamentalists that the West  was impotent to retaliate and, worst of all, seemed to imply that western society condoned the insult to Allah.
And #jesuischarlie?
An  exercise in futility at its worst.
That’s where my allusion to being assaulted by the local bully enters the picture.
In short, it's alright to express your personal opinion but be wary of the response you may get.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on January 11, 2021, 09:01:47 AM

At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”

So nobody, absolutely nobody other than Sid disagrees with the decision here? Or are you just posting, either deliberately or through ignorance and incompetence, misleading waffle by counting "votes" from one source to bolster your arguement? OK Donald.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: imtommygunn on January 11, 2021, 09:15:56 AM
I see a massive furore of the cancelling of that Parler social media platform by AWS(aka Amazon cloud essentially).
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 12:17:08 PM

At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”

So nobody, absolutely nobody other than Sid disagrees with the decision here? Or are you just posting, either deliberately or through ignorance and incompetence, misleading waffle by counting "votes" from one source to bolster your arguement? OK Donald.
Read hat I wrote and include the links I referred to. I have said before that I have not come across a single mention of anyone making a complaint about the apology being issued.
So, AFAIK, the count is 5,000 or thereabouts versus sid.
For the record have you any credible sources to suggest that sid has more support than I have been able to find.
Aso for the record, I did not depend on one source to arrive at my conclusion. I based what I said on what I read in the INdo, RTE, The Sun and extra.ie and I know there are a long list of others if you care to google for "Angus mac Grianna apology."
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: J70 on January 11, 2021, 12:41:17 PM
I see a massive furore of the cancelling of that Parler social media platform by AWS(aka Amazon cloud essentially).

And not an iota of self reflection from them on WHY they've been booted off by Amazon, Apple and Google.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 12:58:30 PM

Sid, I don’t see us reaching a mutual understanding anytime soon and, as I don’t want to keep knocking on a closed door repeatedly, I’lli finish this discussion with this post.
 
At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”
 
What appears to be a matter of free speech to you is apparently incitement to hate to 5,000 others.
Does majority rule or not?
I don’t see much point in continuing a point picking exercise since the rules of logic don’t apply to you but I'll sign off with a few of the more noteworthy examples.
If you recall, you stated that there should have been no apology and I asked you why not.
I stated ,”The sole object of the exercise was to offend the religious beliefs of possibly the majority people on the island. By all accounts, the show had no cultural or artistic merit and caused extreme offence to the general public …
 
Your bizarre reply was to accuse me of using Georg Hook logic and for a leap of imagination it is hard to beat this: Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?
Why exactly is that supposed to mean???
AS for David Quinn and the I Own Her (Iona?) Institute and Charlie Hebdo stickers, I had already pointed out that the magazine’s editor had already paid with his life for exercising his right to free speech and in so doing, five of his colleagues died along with him. A young gendarme was murdered also and scores of churches were razed to the ground in Ghana (?)   
What the editor may have supposed as a legitimate freedom of expression was taken by Muslin fundamentalists as an incitement to hatred with calamitous results for thousands of innocent people.
All the #jesuischarlies in the world cannot gainsay that.
At best they signalled to millions of fundamentalists that the West  was impotent to retaliate and, worst of all, seemed to imply that western society condoned the insult to Allah.
And #jesuischarlie?
An  exercise in futility at its worst.
That’s where my allusion to being assaulted by the local bully enters the picture.
In short, it's alright to express your personal opinion but be wary of the response you may get.
RTE received a load of complaints

So what?

I do not understand at all what point you are trying to make re the Charlie Hebdo massacre

I asked you why you think David Quinn and I Own Her were all #jesusicharlie and yet have taken the exact opposite opinion as regards the RTE sketch



Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: gallsman on January 11, 2021, 01:04:26 PM

At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”

So nobody, absolutely nobody other than Sid disagrees with the decision here? Or are you just posting, either deliberately or through ignorance and incompetence, misleading waffle by counting "votes" from one source to bolster your arguement? OK Donald.
Read hat I wrote and include the links I referred to. I have said before that I have not come across a single mention of anyone making a complaint about the apology being issued.
So, AFAIK, the count is 5,000 or thereabouts versus sid.
For the record have you any credible sources to suggest that sid has more support than I have been able to find.
Aso for the record, I did not depend on one source to arrive at my conclusion. I based what I said on what I read in the INdo, RTE, The Sun and extra.ie and I know there are a long list of others if you care to google for "Angus mac Grianna apology."

False equivalence and you know it. I asked whether your nonsense was a result of ignorance or incompetence. It's evidently both.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 01:06:28 PM

At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”

So nobody, absolutely nobody other than Sid disagrees with the decision here? Or are you just posting, either deliberately or through ignorance and incompetence, misleading waffle by counting "votes" from one source to bolster your arguement? OK Donald.
Read hat I wrote and include the links I referred to. I have said before that I have not come across a single mention of anyone making a complaint about the apology being issued.
So, AFAIK, the count is 5,000 or thereabouts versus sid.
For the record have you any credible sources to suggest that sid has more support than I have been able to find.
Aso for the record, I did not depend on one source to arrive at my conclusion. I based what I said on what I read in the INdo, RTE, The Sun and extra.ie and I know there are a long list of others if you care to google for "Angus mac Grianna apology."

What on earth has RTE receiving complaints about the sketch got to do with anything?

RTE also received a load of complaints about the series "Normal People" - sure Liveline was filled with pearl clutchers comparing it to a porno movie, prompting the memorable question "what would you see in a porno movie, Mary?" One eejit kept asking other callers "are you a Christian" - because apparently realistic depictions of sex are "un-Christian", maybe sex itself is "un-Christian", that's the impression you get from such people, and sure we all know there was no sex in Ireland until the Late Late Show came along

It appears you are now saying that RTE should also have issued an apology for screening "Normal People" and should have removed it from the RTE Player

All because they received a load of complaints

You are saying that TV companies should remove any content and apologise if they receive a load of complaints by fools

But that's arrant nonsense - of course they shouldn't





Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 03:39:45 PM

At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”

So nobody, absolutely nobody other than Sid disagrees with the decision here? Or are you just posting, either deliberately or through ignorance and incompetence, misleading waffle by counting "votes" from one source to bolster your arguement? OK Donald.
Read hat I wrote and include the links I referred to. I have said before that I have not come across a single mention of anyone making a complaint about the apology being issued.
So, AFAIK, the count is 5,000 or thereabouts versus sid.
For the record have you any credible sources to suggest that sid has more support than I have been able to find.
Aso for the record, I did not depend on one source to arrive at my conclusion. I based what I said on what I read in the INdo, RTE, The Sun and extra.ie and I know there are a long list of others if you care to google for "Angus mac Grianna apology."

False equivalence and you know it. I asked whether your nonsense was a result of ignorance or incompetence. It's evidently both.
I gave my reasons at length for what I said. and supplied links where appropriate You provided neither. Like sid, you let sweeping assertions take the place of reasoned debate and you accuse me of false equivalance!
I doubt if you know what the term means.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 03:56:20 PM

At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”

So nobody, absolutely nobody other than Sid disagrees with the decision here? Or are you just posting, either deliberately or through ignorance and incompetence, misleading waffle by counting "votes" from one source to bolster your arguement? OK Donald.
Read hat I wrote and include the links I referred to. I have said before that I have not come across a single mention of anyone making a complaint about the apology being issued.
So, AFAIK, the count is 5,000 or thereabouts versus sid.
For the record have you any credible sources to suggest that sid has more support than I have been able to find.
Aso for the record, I did not depend on one source to arrive at my conclusion. I based what I said on what I read in the INdo, RTE, The Sun and extra.ie and I know there are a long list of others if you care to google for "Angus mac Grianna apology."

What on earth has RTE receiving complaints about the sketch got to do with anything?

RTE also received a load of complaints about the series "Normal People" - sure Liveline was filled with pearl clutchers comparing it to a porno movie, prompting the memorable question "what would you see in a porno movie, Mary?" One eejit kept asking other callers "are you a Christian" - because apparently realistic depictions of sex are "un-Christian", maybe sex itself is "un-Christian", that's the impression you get from such people, and sure we all know there was no sex in Ireland until the Late Late Show came along

It appears you are now saying that RTE should also have issued an apology for screening "Normal People" and should have removed it from the RTE Player

All because they received a load of complaints

You are saying that TV companies should remove any content and apologise if they receive a load of complaints by fools

But that's arrant nonsense - of course they shouldn't
Who decides what "fools" means? You oe the RTE authority?
Yes, RTE received loads of complaints about "Normal People" but they also received loads of positive responses, something that didn't happen with Mac Grianna's attempt at humour.
sid, there is an old adage that says if you find yourself explaining, you are losing and I don't intend to stay losing with a pair of natural losers. So it's a case of over and out from me right now.
But before I sign out, you may recall that I have found thay you can come up with astounding assumptions in place of reasonable debate.
Where did I say anywhere anything that would lead a sane person to those conclusions?

If you can answer that question, I will come back and respond if I am able. I will admit I am wrong if I cannot.
Now if you want to come back with another tirade of half-backed assertions, you are free to use them as cyber suppositories as far as I am concerned.
Like the other loola, who jumped into the middle of an ongoing discussion without bothering to take context into account, you are prone to throw shit in the hope that some of it sticks.

Here's one prime example of what I am referring to:
You are saying that TV companies should remove any content and apologise if they receive a load of complaints by fools
But that's arrant nonsense - of course they shouldn't
Who decides what "fools" means? You or the RTE authority and where did I say anything of the sort?

Yes, RTE received loads of complaints about "Normal People" but they also received loads of positive responses, something that didn't happen with Mac Grianna's attempt at humour.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 05:26:30 PM

At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”

So nobody, absolutely nobody other than Sid disagrees with the decision here? Or are you just posting, either deliberately or through ignorance and incompetence, misleading waffle by counting "votes" from one source to bolster your arguement? OK Donald.
Read hat I wrote and include the links I referred to. I have said before that I have not come across a single mention of anyone making a complaint about the apology being issued.
So, AFAIK, the count is 5,000 or thereabouts versus sid.
For the record have you any credible sources to suggest that sid has more support than I have been able to find.
Aso for the record, I did not depend on one source to arrive at my conclusion. I based what I said on what I read in the INdo, RTE, The Sun and extra.ie and I know there are a long list of others if you care to google for "Angus mac Grianna apology."

What on earth has RTE receiving complaints about the sketch got to do with anything?

RTE also received a load of complaints about the series "Normal People" - sure Liveline was filled with pearl clutchers comparing it to a porno movie, prompting the memorable question "what would you see in a porno movie, Mary?" One eejit kept asking other callers "are you a Christian" - because apparently realistic depictions of sex are "un-Christian", maybe sex itself is "un-Christian", that's the impression you get from such people, and sure we all know there was no sex in Ireland until the Late Late Show came along

It appears you are now saying that RTE should also have issued an apology for screening "Normal People" and should have removed it from the RTE Player

All because they received a load of complaints

You are saying that TV companies should remove any content and apologise if they receive a load of complaints by fools

But that's arrant nonsense - of course they shouldn't
Who decides what "fools" means? You oe the RTE authority?
Yes, RTE received loads of complaints about "Normal People" but they also received loads of positive responses, something that didn't happen with Mac Grianna's attempt at humour.
sid, there is an old adage that says if you find yourself explaining, you are losing and I don't intend to stay losing with a pair of natural losers. So it's a case of over and out from me right now.
But before I sign out, you may recall that I have found thay you can come up with astounding assumptions in place of reasonable debate.
Where did I say anywhere anything that would lead a sane person to those conclusions?

If you can answer that question, I will come back and respond if I am able. I will admit I am wrong if I cannot.
Now if you want to come back with another tirade of half-backed assertions, you are free to use them as cyber suppositories as far as I am concerned.
Like the other loola, who jumped into the middle of an ongoing discussion without bothering to take context into account, you are prone to throw shit in the hope that some of it sticks.

Here's one prime example of what I am referring to:
You are saying that TV companies should remove any content and apologise if they receive a load of complaints by fools
But that's arrant nonsense - of course they shouldn't
Who decides what "fools" means? You or the RTE authority and where did I say anything of the sort?

Yes, RTE received loads of complaints about "Normal People" but they also received loads of positive responses, something that didn't happen with Mac Grianna's attempt at humour.
I haven't the faintest idea what you're on about - to be honest I haven't had at any stage of our exchange, you've made zero sense - but I did love the inanity of you reciting "if you're explaining you're losing" - followed by a nice bit of personal abuse, as if this somehow constituted a point

That the people who complained were fools is a personal opinion of mine and I have not heard a single thing to make me change my mind on that

You are saying exactly what I said you're saying - your main "point" is that people complained, so therefore there should be an apology and withdrawal of the sketch from the RTE Player

Again I say, people complained, so f**king what?

People who complain are not owed a single word of apology because they did not like a sketch

The sketch did its job and nobody should have apologised - RTE and Aengus MacGrianna did so because of right-wing mob behaviour

As long as such a sketch did not veer into hate speech - which it did not - not one of these complainers is owed a single word of apology - they're cranks who are obsessed with right-wing political correctness - but the Catholic religious right has spent the last six years at least claiming they were against political correctness

So they are liars and hypocrites - and not once have you acknowledged this

Hopefully for them it won't be long before the churches open again and they can get back to their celebration of rape - sorry, I mean forced, involuntary impregnation, and cannibalism and vampirism - although the last two are not actually cannibalism and vampirism - just eating small pieces of wafer, and priests and communion servers drinking a sup of wine





Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 06:07:34 PM

At a conservativwe estimate, you have been outvoted by 5,000 to one at the very least.
RTE has said ““The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”
 
Headed “‘God’ comedy sketch on RTE provokes 5,000 complaints”
https://extra.ie/2021/01/07/news/irish-news/rte-god-sketch-player
Carries a report that began:
“Aired on the RTE New Year’s Eve Countdown Show, the fake news skit depicted God as a rapist, and prompted more than 5,000 complaints.”

So nobody, absolutely nobody other than Sid disagrees with the decision here? Or are you just posting, either deliberately or through ignorance and incompetence, misleading waffle by counting "votes" from one source to bolster your arguement? OK Donald.
Read hat I wrote and include the links I referred to. I have said before that I have not come across a single mention of anyone making a complaint about the apology being issued.
So, AFAIK, the count is 5,000 or thereabouts versus sid.
For the record have you any credible sources to suggest that sid has more support than I have been able to find.
Aso for the record, I did not depend on one source to arrive at my conclusion. I based what I said on what I read in the INdo, RTE, The Sun and extra.ie and I know there are a long list of others if you care to google for "Angus mac Grianna apology."

What on earth has RTE receiving complaints about the sketch got to do with anything?

RTE also received a load of complaints about the series "Normal People" - sure Liveline was filled with pearl clutchers comparing it to a porno movie, prompting the memorable question "what would you see in a porno movie, Mary?" One eejit kept asking other callers "are you a Christian" - because apparently realistic depictions of sex are "un-Christian", maybe sex itself is "un-Christian", that's the impression you get from such people, and sure we all know there was no sex in Ireland until the Late Late Show came along

It appears you are now saying that RTE should also have issued an apology for screening "Normal People" and should have removed it from the RTE Player

All because they received a load of complaints

You are saying that TV companies should remove any content and apologise if they receive a load of complaints by fools

But that's arrant nonsense - of course they shouldn't
Who decides what "fools" means? You oe the RTE authority?
Yes, RTE received loads of complaints about "Normal People" but they also received loads of positive responses, something that didn't happen with Mac Grianna's attempt at humour.
sid, there is an old adage that says if you find yourself explaining, you are losing and I don't intend to stay losing with a pair of natural losers. So it's a case of over and out from me right now.
But before I sign out, you may recall that I have found thay you can come up with astounding assumptions in place of reasonable debate.
Where did I say anywhere anything that would lead a sane person to those conclusions?

If you can answer that question, I will come back and respond if I am able. I will admit I am wrong if I cannot.
Now if you want to come back with another tirade of half-backed assertions, you are free to use them as cyber suppositories as far as I am concerned.
Like the other loola, who jumped into the middle of an ongoing discussion without bothering to take context into account, you are prone to throw shit in the hope that some of it sticks.

Here's one prime example of what I am referring to:
You are saying that TV companies should remove any content and apologise if they receive a load of complaints by fools
But that's arrant nonsense - of course they shouldn't
Who decides what "fools" means? You or the RTE authority and where did I say anything of the sort?

Yes, RTE received loads of complaints about "Normal People" but they also received loads of positive responses, something that didn't happen with Mac Grianna's attempt at humour.
I haven't the faintest idea what you're on about - to be honest I haven't had at any stage of our exchange, you've made zero sense - but I did love the inanity of you reciting "if you're explaining you're losing" - followed by a nice bit of personal abuse, as if this somehow constituted a point

That the people who complained were fools is a personal opinion of mine and I have not heard a single thing to make me change my mind on that

You are saying exactly what I said you're saying - your main "point" is that people complained, so therefore there should be an apology and withdrawal of the sketch from the RTE Player

Again I say, people complained, so f**king what?

People who complain are not owed a single word of apology because they did not like a sketch

The sketch did its job and nobody should have apologised - RTE and Aengus MacGrianna did so because of right-wing mob behaviour

As long as such a sketch did not veer into hate speech - which it did not - not one of these complainers is owed a single word of apology - they're cranks who are obsessed with right-wing political correctness - but the Catholic religious right has spent the last six years at least claiming they were against political correctness

So they are liars and hypocrites - and not once have you acknowledged this

Hopefully for them it won't be long before the churches open again and they can get back to their celebration of rape - sorry, I mean forced, involuntary impregnation, and cannibalism and vampirism - although the last two are not actually cannibalism and vampirism - just eating small pieces of wafer, and priests and communion servers drinking a sup of wine

:D :D :D :D
Unfounded assumptions aka personal opinion  all the way!
I'll give you credit for your refusal to shut up.
But I won't encourage yopu any further.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 08:24:36 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rossfan on January 11, 2021, 08:49:36 PM
No need to feel sorry for me Lar ;D
I'll get there in the end.
Many generations of cattle dealing ancestors has bred it in me not to waste time on bullsh1t hence my using the ignore function on certain individuals.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 11, 2021, 08:51:14 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D

Lár na Páirce - do you mind me asking if you believe that 'The Blessed Virgin' was impregnated by 'God'?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 08:58:56 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D
And yet nobody can ever point out anything remotely nuts about any of my opinions

Read back over what you're written on this thread

By any reasonable standards it's pretty out there

You literally think people complaining about a sketch is grounds for a public apology and censorship of the sketch

Then there was the bizarre imagined scenario you created where you implied victims of assault bear some responsibility for such - you then extended this to the Charlie Hebdo massacre where you implied that the victims who worked at that magazine had it coming to them

Plus you didn't answer any questions

If you think I've written here is "nuts" and what you've written is reasonable, you should probably take a reality check
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 11, 2021, 09:21:45 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D
And yet nobody can ever point out anything remotely nuts about any of my opinions

Read back over what you're written on this thread

By any reasonable standards it's pretty out there

You literally think people complaining about a sketch is grounds for a public apology and censorship of the sketch

Then there was the bizarre imagined scenario you created where you implied victims of assault bear some responsibility for such - you then extended this to the Charlie Hebdo massacre where you implied that the victims who worked at that magazine had it coming to them

Plus you didn't answer any questions

If you think I've written here is "nuts" and what you've written is reasonable, you should probably take a reality check

In fairness, Angelo, you probably could temper things a little bit now and again, post below for example re teachers:

"Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel."


In the meantime I would welcome more debate re the Immaculate Conception from Lár na Páirce [though he seems to spell his name in Ulster Scots] and from yourself Angelo. 
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 09:49:14 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D
And yet nobody can ever point out anything remotely nuts about any of my opinions

Read back over what you're written on this thread

By any reasonable standards it's pretty out there

You literally think people complaining about a sketch is grounds for a public apology and censorship of the sketch

Then there was the bizarre imagined scenario you created where you implied victims of assault bear some responsibility for such - you then extended this to the Charlie Hebdo massacre where you implied that the victims who worked at that magazine had it coming to them

Plus you didn't answer any questions

If you think I've written here is "nuts" and what you've written is reasonable, you should probably take a reality check

In fairness, Angelo, you probably could temper things a little bit now and again, post below for example re teachers:

"Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel."


In the meantime I would welcome more debate re the Immaculate Conception from Lár na Páirce [though he seems to spell his name in Ulster Scots] and from yourself Angelo.
Ok Seaney
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 11, 2021, 10:21:56 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D
And yet nobody can ever point out anything remotely nuts about any of my opinions

Read back over what you're written on this thread

By any reasonable standards it's pretty out there

You literally think people complaining about a sketch is grounds for a public apology and censorship of the sketch

Then there was the bizarre imagined scenario you created where you implied victims of assault bear some responsibility for such - you then extended this to the Charlie Hebdo massacre where you implied that the victims who worked at that magazine had it coming to them

Plus you didn't answer any questions

If you think I've written here is "nuts" and what you've written is reasonable, you should probably take a reality check

In fairness, Angelo, you probably could temper things a little bit now and again, post below for example re teachers:

"Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel."


In the meantime I would welcome more debate re the Immaculate Conception from Lár na Páirce [though he seems to spell his name in Ulster Scots] and from yourself Angelo.
Ok Seaney
Sorry, you have that one wrong.   Where do you stand on the immaculate conception accuracy?   
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 11:23:48 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D

Lár na Páirce - do you mind me asking if you believe that 'The Blessed Virgin' was impregnated by 'God'?


The short answer to both queries is no- I don't mind you asking and I don’t believe in the Virgin birth.
However, my personal beliefs  are, well, personal and I do not attempt to foist mine on others who may disagree with me.
Had advance warning been given that the sketch in question contained material that could give offence to some viewers and had a more suitable broadcast being chosen, I doubt that I would have [paid much, if any, attention to the presentation.
THe time chosen to air this sketch was a time when families throughout the country were settling down to watch the celebrations marking the change of year.  That meant that considerable numbers of elderly, devout Christains and equally huge numbers of impressionable young children would be tuned in. For once I agree with sid, when he says the purpose of the exercise was to cause offence.
I am not naive enough to think that sid is the only one who thinks there should have been no apology but he is the only one to date who has said so publicly- to te best of my knowledge.
According to what I have read on extra.ie and a number of other media outlets, over 5,000 watchers have lodged formal complaints. Not a single reference to a mention of an opposite view.
If majority rights have an meaning, you’ll find it here.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rossfan on January 11, 2021, 11:25:49 PM
I suspect ye both are getting the Immaculate Conception wrong. :P
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 11:30:07 PM
5,000 people is a very small minority

I'm still waiting for an actual reason as to why there should have been an apology given

If God didn't impregnate Mary, who did?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 11, 2021, 11:39:06 PM
Allah?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 11, 2021, 11:44:29 PM
5,000 people is a very small minority

I'm still waiting for an actual reason as to why there should have been an apology given

If God didn't impregnate Mary, who did?
You're nothing if not a trier!
For the umpteenth time, I never said only 5,000 objected too the sketch being broadast/ demanded an apology or whatever you are trying to imply.
I gave my source when I said over 5,000 viewers had formally objected, which is a different matter entirely.
All I've got from you are banal assertions.  Looks like you've usurped the pope's job and go about declaring your views are infallible.
As for your last question, htf am I expected to know or even believe what you've asked??
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 11:49:49 PM
5,000 people is a very small minority

I'm still waiting for an actual reason as to why there should have been an apology given

If God didn't impregnate Mary, who did?
You're nothing if not a trier!
For the umpteenth time, I never said only 5,000 objected too the sketch being broadast/ demanded an apology or whatever you are trying to imply.
I gave my source when I said over 5,000 viewers had formally objected, which is a different matter entirely.
All I've got from you are banal assertions.  Looks like you've usurped the pope's job and go about declaring your views are infallible.
As for your last question, htf am I expected to know or even believe what you've asked??
If 4.8 million people formally objected, it still wouldn't make any difference

Your rationale is clear, you think apologies should be given based not on the merits or demerits of the actual sketch itself, but because of bullying

You're the person acting like the Pope here and attempting to force your views onto others!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 11, 2021, 11:54:53 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 12, 2021, 12:15:50 AM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 12, 2021, 11:23:14 AM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 12, 2021, 11:28:38 AM
As regards the Brass Eye Paedogeddon programme, C4 did indeed apologise

They cancelled the Brass Eye series

And they were wrong to do so

20 years later, the programme is remembered as one of the finest and most daring ever broadcast on UK television, and is still extremely relevant today - especially with the bizarre phenomena of QAnon, so called "paedophile hunters" and the far right's extremely creepy obsession with paedophilia in general - which smacks of extreme denial
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 11:29:27 AM
Very brave of Twitter, Facebook etc to ban him once his presidential term is coming to an end.

If they felt that way why didn't they do it midway through his term?

All for optics.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 12, 2021, 11:34:06 AM
Very brave of Twitter, Facebook etc to ban him once his presidential term is coming to an end.

If they felt that way why didn't they do it midway through his term?

All for optics.
Of course it's all for optics, it isn't brave at all, like, duh

They've only acted now when they think they have more to lose by leaving him there, plus they fear regulation by the incoming administration

They should have banned him years ago - he has always been a clear and present threat, well before he was president, and so have his supporters

Social media companies have profited massively from far right hate speech



Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2021, 11:40:21 AM
On the subject of far right interesting to see that parler shut down - by amazon as well. (I am not 100% sure it was far right but anything I have read suggests that)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 12, 2021, 11:51:02 AM
On the subject of far right interesting to see that parler shut down - by amazon as well. (I am not 100% sure it was far right but anything I have read suggests that)
Parler styles itself as an extreme "pro-free speech" site, which means it's far right

Then you get Trump supporters like Lin Wood calling for firing squads against Mike Pence

This is what unfettered free speech means

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:07:02 PM
Very brave of Twitter, Facebook etc to ban him once his presidential term is coming to an end.

If they felt that way why didn't they do it midway through his term?

All for optics.
Of course it's all for optics, it isn't brave at all, like, duh

They've only acted now when they think they have more to lose by leaving him there, plus they fear regulation by the incoming administration

They should have banned him years ago - he has always been a clear and present threat, well before he was president, and so have his supporters

Social media companies have profited massively from far right hate speech

Agreed, I just have a problem with them now acting as if they are somehow heroic because they are kicking Trump when he's on the ground but wouldn't do anything when he had power.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 12, 2021, 12:29:39 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 12, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
You can call me an asshole all you want, please do

The rest of your little hypothetical dig into my background, if you were making it seriously, would constitute ad hominem abuse of my family - which would only make you look like a gigantic asshole

Why wouldn't I support Dublin, I come from Dublin

Your statement that my support for Dublin shows I "don't know my ass from my elbow" makes as much sense as if I said you don't know your ass from your elbow because you support Mayo

The basic problem you have is that you don't understand the boundaries of what is acceptable satire/comedy and hate speech, and neither do you understand the boundaries between what is acceptable opinion about a person or a belief they have, and unacceptable abuse of them based on non-chosen family background or non-chosen characteristics they may have

You'd want to watch that tendency, could be a problem for you in society

The sketch was broadcast after the watershed, it was broadcast late at night, it wasn't broadcast in the CBeebies slot

Again I find it hilarious how you invoke the Pope - surely under your own rules, that's unacceptable - well I suppose it would be if it wasn't projection, which it is

And I'm not really sure how you think I'm acting like "the Pope", given that I'm defending the right to poke fun at religion, while your whole argument here has been about how making fun of religion is off limits

Your post actually reads like Mary Whitehouse, or Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons, you even paraphrase her "won't somebody please think of the children?!" line
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on January 12, 2021, 03:14:37 PM
Chuck Norris?! This year just gets worser and worser......
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 03:20:01 PM
As regards the Brass Eye Paedogeddon programme, C4 did indeed apologise

They cancelled the Brass Eye series

And they were wrong to do so

20 years later, the programme is remembered as one of the finest and most daring ever broadcast on UK television, and is still extremely relevant today - especially with the bizarre phenomena of QAnon, so called "paedophile hunters" and the far right's extremely creepy obsession with paedophilia in general - which smacks of extreme denial

How did the presenter end up after all that? Just interested I've no axe to grind on this topic
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Taylor on January 12, 2021, 03:21:08 PM
Chuck Norris?! This year just gets worser and worser......

What did Chuck do?
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 12, 2021, 04:08:13 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
You can call me an asshole all you want, please do

The rest of your little hypothetical dig into my background, if you were making it seriously, would constitute ad hominem abuse of my family - which would only make you look like a gigantic asshole

Why wouldn't I support Dublin, I come from Dublin

Your statement that my support for Dublin shows I "don't know my ass from my elbow" makes as much sense as if I said you don't know your ass from your elbow because you support Mayo

The basic problem you have is that you don't understand the boundaries of what is acceptable satire/comedy and hate speech, and neither do you understand the boundaries between what is acceptable opinion about a person or a belief they have, and unacceptable abuse of them based on non-chosen family background or non-chosen characteristics they may have

You'd want to watch that tendency, could be a problem for you in society

The sketch was broadcast after the watershed, it was broadcast late at night, it wasn't broadcast in the CBeebies slot

Again I find it hilarious how you invoke the Pope - surely under your own rules, that's unacceptable - well I suppose it would be if it wasn't projection, which it is

And I'm not really sure how you think I'm acting like "the Pope", given that I'm defending the right to poke fun at religion, while your whole argument here has been about how making fun of religion is off limits

Your post actually reads like Mary Whitehouse, or Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons, you even paraphrase her "won't somebody please think of the children?!" line
sid you are getting worse!
If you bother to read what I wrote, you may realise that I called you nothing of the sort.
The sketch was broadcast at a time when young an old were tuned in to watch new year's festivities, which  was mentioned by a considerable number of those who formally complained.
Your modus operandi seems to to make sweeping decorations that do not allow for any counter opinion. There is seldom any attempt to justify what you are handing down to he rest of us poor mortals.
Tell you what sid- if you can get anyone to put it in writing that your line of reasoning makes perfect sense, I will admit that I am beaten and I will rest my case,
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rossfan on January 12, 2021, 04:12:11 PM
Use the ignore function thingy Lar ;)
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 12, 2021, 04:51:23 PM
Use the ignore function thingy Lar ;)
I know I should Ross this is my only of killing time at the moment.

I need renal dialysis 3 times a week and I can do very little during sessions as my left hand is used for the dialysis so cap letters are a problem.
To cap it all, Santa's idea of a Christmas pressie wab an emergency eye operation on Christmas Eve. A case of a detached retina without any warning.
So its a case of going mad quickly from sheer boredom or going ditto trying to figure wtf sid is on about. I've a touch of masochism in my makeup so I chose the latter.
(But I'm starting to have ne doubts,) ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on January 12, 2021, 05:08:02 PM
Chuck Norris?! This year just gets worser and worser......

What did Chuck do?

Was allegedly at the Capitol Hill saga but have since read it was a doppleganger. Apologies. Hes not been cancelled! 2021 mite be ok yet! Tho he is a Trump supporter..

Lar i had both eyes done. Other than the injecting at start not too bad eh?! Always fun telling people how brave ive been, being awake throughout them etc 😃
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Taylor on January 12, 2021, 05:13:41 PM
Chuck Norris?! This year just gets worser and worser......

What did Chuck do?

Was allegedly at the Capitol Hill saga but have since read it was a doppleganger. Apologies. Hes not been cancelled! 2021 mite be ok yet! Tho he is a Trump supporter..

Lar i had both eyes done. Other than the injecting at start not too bad eh?! Always fun telling people how brave ive been, being awake throughout them etc 😃

Phew - 2021 would be going the way of 2020 if they cancelled Chuck
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 12, 2021, 07:46:48 PM
I suspect ye both are getting the Immaculate Conception wrong. :P
This is a good point!!  I'm that long away from it, I forgot about the finer detail of Mary's 'birth'.  Thanks for spotting my Immaculate Misconception!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 12, 2021, 08:05:10 PM
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D

Lár na Páirce - do you mind me asking if you believe that 'The Blessed Virgin' was impregnated by 'God'?


The short answer to both queries is no- I don't mind you asking and I don’t believe in the Virgin birth.
However, my personal beliefs  are, well, personal and I do not attempt to foist mine on others who may disagree with me.
Had advance warning been given that the sketch in question contained material that could give offence to some viewers and had a more suitable broadcast being chosen, I doubt that I would have [paid much, if any, attention to the presentation.
THe time chosen to air this sketch was a time when families throughout the country were settling down to watch the celebrations marking the change of year.  That meant that considerable numbers of elderly, devout Christains and equally huge numbers of impressionable young children would be tuned in. For once I agree with sid, when he says the purpose of the exercise was to cause offence.
I am not naive enough to think that sid is the only one who thinks there should have been no apology but he is the only one to date who has said so publicly- to te best of my knowledge.
According to what I have read on extra.ie and a number of other media outlets, over 5,000 watchers have lodged formal complaints. Not a single reference to a mention of an opposite view.
If majority rights have an meaning, you’ll find it here.

Thanks for reply.  I don't feel an apology was required as God doesn't exist for me so it was humour about a ridiculous belief - for me, of course.
I think that satire can be useful in prompting people to actually think through 'blind belief'.   People who enjoyed it had no need to let RTÉ know, only those who took offence.  My own opinion is that some people nowadays 'choose' to be offended - far too easily (not referring to you necessarily!).  I doubt if there is a 'joke' in the world that someone someplace couldn't take offence to, if they tried or wanted.  After the watershed, it is parental responsibility to decide who watches what, imo.  Having said that, I do respect your opinion on the matter.

Anyhow, on a different note and genuinely, it is a great pity that so many of the great servants to Mayo football have recently ended their county days without the medal they dreamed of.   Unlucky to come up against, so often, the greatest team that there has ever been (again, just imo!)

Sláinte na bhFear agus Contae Mhaigh Eo, nuair a éagas na Gaeil ná raibh aon duine beo!

Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Main Street on January 12, 2021, 08:28:55 PM
I suspect ye both are getting the Immaculate Conception wrong. :P
This is a good point!!  I'm that long away from it, I forgot about the finer detail of Mary's 'birth'.  Thanks for spotting my Immaculate Misconception!!!   ;D
That people who were all over #jesuischarlie but are complaining about this sketch are fools is a personal opinion

That they are liars and hypocrites is fact

And neither are they critical thinkers - you've done a fair job lumping yourself into that category too

Not once have you provided any sort of justification for an apology
sid, believe it or not, I am beginning to feel sorry for Rossfan.
I know next to nothing about Angelo and I used to think you were just a harmless nutcase but I'll now take Rossfan's opinion of you as proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.  ;D ;D ;D

Lár na Páirce - do you mind me asking if you believe that 'The Blessed Virgin' was impregnated by 'God'?


The short answer to both queries is no- I don't mind you asking and I don’t believe in the Virgin birth.
However, my personal beliefs  are, well, personal and I do not attempt to foist mine on others who may disagree with me.
Had advance warning been given that the sketch in question contained material that could give offence to some viewers and had a more suitable broadcast being chosen, I doubt that I would have [paid much, if any, attention to the presentation.
THe time chosen to air this sketch was a time when families throughout the country were settling down to watch the celebrations marking the change of year.  That meant that considerable numbers of elderly, devout Christains and equally huge numbers of impressionable young children would be tuned in. For once I agree with sid, when he says the purpose of the exercise was to cause offence.
I am not naive enough to think that sid is the only one who thinks there should have been no apology but he is the only one to date who has said so publicly- to te best of my knowledge.
According to what I have read on extra.ie and a number of other media outlets, over 5,000 watchers have lodged formal complaints. Not a single reference to a mention of an opposite view.
If majority rights have an meaning, you’ll find it here.

Thanks for reply.  I don't feel an apology was required as God doesn't exist for me so it was humour about a ridiculous belief - for me, of course.
I think that satire can be useful in prompting people to actually think through 'blind belief'.   People who enjoyed it had no need to let RTÉ know, only those who took offence.  My own opinion is that some people nowadays 'choose' to be offended - far too easily (not referring to you necessarily!).  I doubt if there is a 'joke' in the world that someone someplace couldn't take offence to, if they tried or wanted.  After the watershed, it is parental responsibility to decide who watches what, imo.  Having said that, I do respect your opinion on the matter.

Anyhow, on a different note and genuinely, it is a great pity that so many of the great servants to Mayo football have recently ended their county days without the medal they dreamed of.   Unlucky to come up against, so often, the greatest team that there has ever been (again, just imo!)

Sláinte na bhFear agus Contae Mhaigh Eo, nuair a éagas na Gaeil ná raibh aon duine beo!



No apology was needed. Regardless, the figure of 5,000 sounds like the more devoted  Fraternity members have learned how to fraternise on the internet and organise the outrage at some sketch which was tame by the Monty Python gold standard.of judging the boundaries of such sketches.

Anyway, the christian God is actually  more dark skinned and looks more like an image of a smiling Osama bin Laden.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rossfan on January 12, 2021, 08:35:10 PM
Lar best wishes on the health front.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: sid waddell on January 12, 2021, 09:50:17 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
You can call me an asshole all you want, please do

The rest of your little hypothetical dig into my background, if you were making it seriously, would constitute ad hominem abuse of my family - which would only make you look like a gigantic asshole

Why wouldn't I support Dublin, I come from Dublin

Your statement that my support for Dublin shows I "don't know my ass from my elbow" makes as much sense as if I said you don't know your ass from your elbow because you support Mayo

The basic problem you have is that you don't understand the boundaries of what is acceptable satire/comedy and hate speech, and neither do you understand the boundaries between what is acceptable opinion about a person or a belief they have, and unacceptable abuse of them based on non-chosen family background or non-chosen characteristics they may have

You'd want to watch that tendency, could be a problem for you in society

The sketch was broadcast after the watershed, it was broadcast late at night, it wasn't broadcast in the CBeebies slot

Again I find it hilarious how you invoke the Pope - surely under your own rules, that's unacceptable - well I suppose it would be if it wasn't projection, which it is

And I'm not really sure how you think I'm acting like "the Pope", given that I'm defending the right to poke fun at religion, while your whole argument here has been about how making fun of religion is off limits

Your post actually reads like Mary Whitehouse, or Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons, you even paraphrase her "won't somebody please think of the children?!" line
sid you are getting worse!
If you bother to read what I wrote, you may realise that I called you nothing of the sort.
The sketch was broadcast at a time when young an old were tuned in to watch new year's festivities, which  was mentioned by a considerable number of those who formally complained.
Your modus operandi seems to to make sweeping decorations that do not allow for any counter opinion. There is seldom any attempt to justify what you are handing down to he rest of us poor mortals.
Tell you what sid- if you can get anyone to put it in writing that your line of reasoning makes perfect sense, I will admit that I am beaten and I will rest my case,
I've consistently debated and rebutted counter opinion! That's what debate is supposed to be!

The only reasonable argument I can see from the counter side is that there should have been a warning on the segment - I didn't watch the programme live, maybe there was?

As for the actual sketch itself, neither you nor anybody else has come up with a single argument as to why it should have been apologised for

The only argument I can see against the sketch is the blasphemy one, which would be ludicrous, we're not living in JC McQuaid's Ireland anymore

Best wishes with your health problems
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 12, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
Lar best wishes on the health front.
Thanks Ross. I appreciate all the sympathy I can get nowadays.
With regard to the subject in hand, I’d like to move on to hopefully better things.
I have no strong feelings, one way or the other, about Angus Mac Grianna, Waterford Whispers or the tenets of the Holy Rooman Catholc Church.
Live and let live could be my motto.
My main gripe is that no advance warning appears to have been given that the sketch contained material that might be offensive to some and that viewer discretion was advised.
I accept this it is parents’ responsibility to oversee what their children should be allowed to watch but, AFAIK, no such advance notice was given. Had this been done, I doubt that I would have spent the last few days trying to play handball against a haystack. ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 12, 2021, 10:25:32 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
You can call me an asshole all you want, please do

The rest of your little hypothetical dig into my background, if you were making it seriously, would constitute ad hominem abuse of my family - which would only make you look like a gigantic asshole

Why wouldn't I support Dublin, I come from Dublin

Your statement that my support for Dublin shows I "don't know my ass from my elbow" makes as much sense as if I said you don't know your ass from your elbow because you support Mayo

The basic problem you have is that you don't understand the boundaries of what is acceptable satire/comedy and hate speech, and neither do you understand the boundaries between what is acceptable opinion about a person or a belief they have, and unacceptable abuse of them based on non-chosen family background or non-chosen characteristics they may have

You'd want to watch that tendency, could be a problem for you in society

The sketch was broadcast after the watershed, it was broadcast late at night, it wasn't broadcast in the CBeebies slot

Again I find it hilarious how you invoke the Pope - surely under your own rules, that's unacceptable - well I suppose it would be if it wasn't projection, which it is

And I'm not really sure how you think I'm acting like "the Pope", given that I'm defending the right to poke fun at religion, while your whole argument here has been about how making fun of religion is off limits

Your post actually reads like Mary Whitehouse, or Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons, you even paraphrase her "won't somebody please think of the children?!" line
sid you are getting worse!
If you bother to read what I wrote, you may realise that I called you nothing of the sort.
The sketch was broadcast at a time when young an old were tuned in to watch new year's festivities, which  was mentioned by a considerable number of those who formally complained.
Your modus operandi seems to to make sweeping decorations that do not allow for any counter opinion. There is seldom any attempt to justify what you are handing down to he rest of us poor mortals.
Tell you what sid- if you can get anyone to put it in writing that your line of reasoning makes perfect sense, I will admit that I am beaten and I will rest my case,
I've consistently debated and rebutted counter opinion! That's what debate is supposed to be!

The only reasonable argument I can see from the counter side is that there should have been a warning on the segment - I didn't watch the programme live, maybe there was?

As for the actual sketch itself, neither you nor anybody else has come up with a single argument as to why it should have been apologised for

The only argument I can see against the sketch is the blasphemy one, which would be ludicrous, we're not living in JC McQuaid's Ireland anymore

Best wishes with your health problems
Sincere thanks for your good wishes, sid.
However, life is too short to waste any more of it going over the same ground again and again.
Don't forget that if you can get even one half sane individual who is willing to swear that he understand what you are on about,  I wikll admit defeat gracefully.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 14, 2021, 11:42:33 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
You can call me an asshole all you want, please do

The rest of your little hypothetical dig into my background, if you were making it seriously, would constitute ad hominem abuse of my family - which would only make you look like a gigantic asshole

Why wouldn't I support Dublin, I come from Dublin

Your statement that my support for Dublin shows I "don't know my ass from my elbow" makes as much sense as if I said you don't know your ass from your elbow because you support Mayo

The basic problem you have is that you don't understand the boundaries of what is acceptable satire/comedy and hate speech, and neither do you understand the boundaries between what is acceptable opinion about a person or a belief they have, and unacceptable abuse of them based on non-chosen family background or non-chosen characteristics they may have

You'd want to watch that tendency, could be a problem for you in society

The sketch was broadcast after the watershed, it was broadcast late at night, it wasn't broadcast in the CBeebies slot

Again I find it hilarious how you invoke the Pope - surely under your own rules, that's unacceptable - well I suppose it would be if it wasn't projection, which it is

And I'm not really sure how you think I'm acting like "the Pope", given that I'm defending the right to poke fun at religion, while your whole argument here has been about how making fun of religion is off limits

Your post actually reads like Mary Whitehouse, or Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons, you even paraphrase her "won't somebody please think of the children?!" line
sid you are getting worse!
If you bother to read what I wrote, you may realise that I called you nothing of the sort.
The sketch was broadcast at a time when young an old were tuned in to watch new year's festivities, which  was mentioned by a considerable number of those who formally complained.
Your modus operandi seems to to make sweeping decorations that do not allow for any counter opinion. There is seldom any attempt to justify what you are handing down to he rest of us poor mortals.
Tell you what sid- if you can get anyone to put it in writing that your line of reasoning makes perfect sense, I will admit that I am beaten and I will rest my case,
I've consistently debated and rebutted counter opinion! That's what debate is supposed to be!

The only reasonable argument I can see from the counter side is that there should have been a warning on the segment - I didn't watch the programme live, maybe there was?

As for the actual sketch itself, neither you nor anybody else has come up with a single argument as to why it should have been apologised for

The only argument I can see against the sketch is the blasphemy one, which would be ludicrous, we're not living in JC McQuaid's Ireland anymore

Best wishes with your health problems
Sincere thanks for your good wishes, sid.
However, life is too short to waste any more of it going over the same ground again and again.
Don't forget that if you can get even one half sane individual who is willing to swear that he understand what you are on about,  I wikll admit defeat gracefully.

Níor léigh tú an rud a scríobh mé, mar sin.

Sin mar atá an saol!!!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 15, 2021, 12:36:53 AM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
You can call me an asshole all you want, please do

The rest of your little hypothetical dig into my background, if you were making it seriously, would constitute ad hominem abuse of my family - which would only make you look like a gigantic asshole

Why wouldn't I support Dublin, I come from Dublin

Your statement that my support for Dublin shows I "don't know my ass from my elbow" makes as much sense as if I said you don't know your ass from your elbow because you support Mayo

The basic problem you have is that you don't understand the boundaries of what is acceptable satire/comedy and hate speech, and neither do you understand the boundaries between what is acceptable opinion about a person or a belief they have, and unacceptable abuse of them based on non-chosen family background or non-chosen characteristics they may have

You'd want to watch that tendency, could be a problem for you in society

The sketch was broadcast after the watershed, it was broadcast late at night, it wasn't broadcast in the CBeebies slot

Again I find it hilarious how you invoke the Pope - surely under your own rules, that's unacceptable - well I suppose it would be if it wasn't projection, which it is

And I'm not really sure how you think I'm acting like "the Pope", given that I'm defending the right to poke fun at religion, while your whole argument here has been about how making fun of religion is off limits

Your post actually reads like Mary Whitehouse, or Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons, you even paraphrase her "won't somebody please think of the children?!" line
sid you are getting worse!
If you bother to read what I wrote, you may realise that I called you nothing of the sort.
The sketch was broadcast at a time when young an old were tuned in to watch new year's festivities, which  was mentioned by a considerable number of those who formally complained.
Your modus operandi seems to to make sweeping decorations that do not allow for any counter opinion. There is seldom any attempt to justify what you are handing down to he rest of us poor mortals.
Tell you what sid- if you can get anyone to put it in writing that your line of reasoning makes perfect sense, I will admit that I am beaten and I will rest my case,
I've consistently debated and rebutted counter opinion! That's what debate is supposed to be!

The only reasonable argument I can see from the counter side is that there should have been a warning on the segment - I didn't watch the programme live, maybe there was?

As for the actual sketch itself, neither you nor anybody else has come up with a single argument as to why it should have been apologised for

The only argument I can see against the sketch is the blasphemy one, which would be ludicrous, we're not living in JC McQuaid's Ireland anymore

Best wishes with your health problems
Sincere thanks for your good wishes, sid.
However, life is too short to waste any more of it going over the same ground again and again.
Don't forget that if you can get even one half sane individual who is willing to swear that he understand what you are on about,  I wikll admit defeat gracefully.

Níor léigh tú an rud a scríobh mé, mar sin.

Sin mar atá an saol!!!
Ní thuigim??
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 15, 2021, 02:57:50 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
You can call me an asshole all you want, please do

The rest of your little hypothetical dig into my background, if you were making it seriously, would constitute ad hominem abuse of my family - which would only make you look like a gigantic asshole

Why wouldn't I support Dublin, I come from Dublin

Your statement that my support for Dublin shows I "don't know my ass from my elbow" makes as much sense as if I said you don't know your ass from your elbow because you support Mayo

The basic problem you have is that you don't understand the boundaries of what is acceptable satire/comedy and hate speech, and neither do you understand the boundaries between what is acceptable opinion about a person or a belief they have, and unacceptable abuse of them based on non-chosen family background or non-chosen characteristics they may have

You'd want to watch that tendency, could be a problem for you in society

The sketch was broadcast after the watershed, it was broadcast late at night, it wasn't broadcast in the CBeebies slot

Again I find it hilarious how you invoke the Pope - surely under your own rules, that's unacceptable - well I suppose it would be if it wasn't projection, which it is

And I'm not really sure how you think I'm acting like "the Pope", given that I'm defending the right to poke fun at religion, while your whole argument here has been about how making fun of religion is off limits

Your post actually reads like Mary Whitehouse, or Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons, you even paraphrase her "won't somebody please think of the children?!" line
sid you are getting worse!
If you bother to read what I wrote, you may realise that I called you nothing of the sort.
The sketch was broadcast at a time when young an old were tuned in to watch new year's festivities, which  was mentioned by a considerable number of those who formally complained.
Your modus operandi seems to to make sweeping decorations that do not allow for any counter opinion. There is seldom any attempt to justify what you are handing down to he rest of us poor mortals.
Tell you what sid- if you can get anyone to put it in writing that your line of reasoning makes perfect sense, I will admit that I am beaten and I will rest my case,
I've consistently debated and rebutted counter opinion! That's what debate is supposed to be!

The only reasonable argument I can see from the counter side is that there should have been a warning on the segment - I didn't watch the programme live, maybe there was?

As for the actual sketch itself, neither you nor anybody else has come up with a single argument as to why it should have been apologised for

The only argument I can see against the sketch is the blasphemy one, which would be ludicrous, we're not living in JC McQuaid's Ireland anymore

Best wishes with your health problems
Sincere thanks for your good wishes, sid.
However, life is too short to waste any more of it going over the same ground again and again.
Don't forget that if you can get even one half sane individual who is willing to swear that he understand what you are on about,  I wikll admit defeat gracefully.

Níor léigh tú an rud a scríobh mé, mar sin.

Sin mar atá an saol!!!
Ní thuigim??
I understand what Sid is pontificating!!   
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 15, 2021, 04:50:59 PM
Brass Eye Paedogeddon was brilliant

But it was the most complained about television programme in UK history

Should an apology have made by C4, Lar?
I know literally nothing about this programme sid so I cant possibly give you an opinion on this one.
Edit:
Ahoy sid, are you still here?
I don't see any reason to object to the show being broadcast if plenty of advance notice had been given that some viewers might be offended by the contents.
Freedom to express one's point of view is one thing but, IMO, there is  no justification for deliberately intending to cause offence to others.
Yes there is

It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence

There is a big difference between giving deliberate offence and hate speech - which is what we don't want

So, you now see nothing wrong with the sketch - except the apparent lack of trigger warning?

But the complaints weren't about the lack of trigger warnings

Anyway, I thought trigger warnings were what so called "snowflakes" wanted - well that's how they've satirised by much of the religious right - in a painfully unfunny manner - in my opinion

Turns out that it was the religious right who were the ones who desperately wanted trigger warnings, political correctness gone mad and censorship all along

Who could have guessed they never believed a word they say

Note that I am not calling you a member of the religious right -  I have no idea of your beliefs - but you have been suckered into adopting their framing on this topic

Oh no there isn’t!
To follow your line of reasoning,  it should be perfectly okay for me to call you a thundering asshole, who comes from a long line of degenerative alcoholics and to state that your opensupport of Dublin GAA is a tacit admission that your can’t tell you ass from your elbow.
 
The fact that I don’t necessarily believe none of the above is of no consequence- as long as I  fit it all into a sketch, I can claim it’s only  a work of art so you can sod off. Following on with your logic, it is perfectly okay to present controversial items, designed to cause offence to young children without warning and at a time when minors are likely to be watching.
I never said my only complaint was the apparent lack of a trigger warning. I said plenty more besides. I have no truck with the religious right and I don’t give the proverbial fuuck about what they may or may not say- another blatant assumption by you.
“It's called comedy, it's called satire, it's called debate, it's called life - an integral part of which is offence”
Sez who?
Here’s a perfect example of your  ex cathedral proclamations. Pope sid  his throne again giving his infallible opinion on what's right or wrong.
FYI, I’ve been around longer than most and I have yet to hear of anybody else who’d agree with you on this or many other subjects for that matter.
You’re a man in a million sid. (Actually,  probably 100 million.)
You can call me an asshole all you want, please do

The rest of your little hypothetical dig into my background, if you were making it seriously, would constitute ad hominem abuse of my family - which would only make you look like a gigantic asshole

Why wouldn't I support Dublin, I come from Dublin

Your statement that my support for Dublin shows I "don't know my ass from my elbow" makes as much sense as if I said you don't know your ass from your elbow because you support Mayo

The basic problem you have is that you don't understand the boundaries of what is acceptable satire/comedy and hate speech, and neither do you understand the boundaries between what is acceptable opinion about a person or a belief they have, and unacceptable abuse of them based on non-chosen family background or non-chosen characteristics they may have

You'd want to watch that tendency, could be a problem for you in society

The sketch was broadcast after the watershed, it was broadcast late at night, it wasn't broadcast in the CBeebies slot

Again I find it hilarious how you invoke the Pope - surely under your own rules, that's unacceptable - well I suppose it would be if it wasn't projection, which it is

And I'm not really sure how you think I'm acting like "the Pope", given that I'm defending the right to poke fun at religion, while your whole argument here has been about how making fun of religion is off limits

Your post actually reads like Mary Whitehouse, or Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons, you even paraphrase her "won't somebody please think of the children?!" line
sid you are getting worse!
If you bother to read what I wrote, you may realise that I called you nothing of the sort.
The sketch was broadcast at a time when young an old were tuned in to watch new year's festivities, which  was mentioned by a considerable number of those who formally complained.
Your modus operandi seems to to make sweeping decorations that do not allow for any counter opinion. There is seldom any attempt to justify what you are handing down to he rest of us poor mortals.
Tell you what sid- if you can get anyone to put it in writing that your line of reasoning makes perfect sense, I will admit that I am beaten and I will rest my case,
I've consistently debated and rebutted counter opinion! That's what debate is supposed to be!

The only reasonable argument I can see from the counter side is that there should have been a warning on the segment - I didn't watch the programme live, maybe there was?

As for the actual sketch itself, neither you nor anybody else has come up with a single argument as to why it should have been apologised for

The only argument I can see against the sketch is the blasphemy one, which would be ludicrous, we're not living in JC McQuaid's Ireland anymore

Best wishes with your health problems
Sincere thanks for your good wishes, sid.
However, life is too short to waste any more of it going over the same ground again and again.
Don't forget that if you can get even one half sane individual who is willing to swear that he understand what you are on about,  I wikll admit defeat gracefully.

Níor léigh tú an rud a scríobh mé, mar sin.

Sin mar atá an saol!!!
Ní thuigim??
I understand what Sid is pontificating!!
You do??
Well, God between us and small farms, sid had found a kindred soul! Or has he? You may well understand what he is pontificating about but do you agree with him?
Sin ceist eile.
Remember my position is fairly simple.
The content of the sketch doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Its timing does and the fact that over 5,000 people went to the trouble of lodging an official complaint must count for something. At the time I replied to sid, he was the only dissenting voice II had come across.
The timing for me was designed to provoke controversy. To say it was broadcast late at night is only a fig leaf of an excuse. New Year’s Eve is a time for families to watch the fireworks etc. from around the world as the new year is ushered in.
That many more than the 5,00 who contacted RTE were offended is, IMO, undeniable. Nobody got in touch to back the decision o broadcast when the controversy unfolded, AFAIK. 
I pointed all this out to sid and here verbatim, is his exact reply.
“Isn't that the same logic that holds "what did Manuela Riedo expect to happen when she walked along that deserted path beside the railway line"?
The George Hook logic
Why were David Quinn and the I Own Her Institute all over #jesuischarlie and "free speech" in 2015?
And why are they the exact opposite now?
How the hell should I know or care?
 
I don’t particularly like George Hook, I respect the rights of David Quinn and his I Own Her (Iona?) Institute to say whatever they like but I am no fellow traveller and I had given no reason to declare that I was.
But associating me in any way with the poor girl who was raped and strangled as she walked home was grossly offensive.
In my opinion the #jesuischarlie craic was an exercise in futility  but, if anything, it was a massive response to what the supporters saw as an attack on the right to free speech.
That’s the side sid should support if there is any logic in what he said!”
Need I go on?
Which side are you on, by the way? Do you support the right of Mac Grianna & co. to freedom of speech and at the same time oppose the right of the #jesuischarlie brigade to exercise the same right?
 
Following my second post, sid came back with:
“I don't see a connection between Manuela Riedo's murder and the RTE sketch and already said so - so why are you saying I do? “
No, he hasn't said so- not by a country mile.  Maybe you can see some connection but I certainly cant.
How about this?
“Unprompted, seemingly from nowhere, you appeared to state that victims of assault bear some responsibility if they are assaulted - but they don't.
Do you do you think I said that?
I am inclined to rest my case and I'm stopping after only his second reply.
Maybe I should sign off with this from the pulpit stuff:
 
The self proclaimed Catholic religious right have styled themselves as so called "free speech warriors" - up to and including apologism for and outright defences of many things most reasonable people would consider hate speech - they seem to be just fine with abhorrent, extreme right-wing politics worldwide
 
Yet now they're up in arms over this sketch - which shows them up as total and utter hypocrites who do not believe a word they previously said
 
It shows them up as holding moronic opinions - they think it's fine to utter hate speech against others - but it's apparently off limits to legitimately satirise the Catholic right's religious beliefs?
 
IMO, that is take it or leave it, sid has spoken and he is infallible. Not a hint of an IMO or a reference to anything other than his imagination for his proclamations.
Now. if you agree with all of that, I have nothing more to say.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 15, 2021, 07:45:19 PM
Lár na Páirce, a chara!

Do I agree with Sid?!  As you correctly state - sin ceist eile!  I do not agree that RTÉ should have had to issue an apology. If the sketch had been this weekend, after the Mother-and-Baby-Homes Report, I doubt if Archbishop Martin would have spoken on the matter at all.

We are an Irish-speaking family.  If we felt that you are mocking our language by bastardising the spelling of Lár na Páirce, would you feel a need to apologise for the hurt caused?!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 15, 2021, 09:12:33 PM
Lár na Páirce, a chara!

Do I agree with Sid?!  As you correctly state - sin ceist eile!  I do not agree that RTÉ should have had to issue an apology. If the sketch had been this weekend, after the Mother-and-Baby-Homes Report, I doubt if Archbishop Martin would have spoken on the matter at all.

We are an Irish-speaking family.  If we felt that you are mocking our language by bastardising the spelling of Lár na Páirce, would you feel a need to apologise for the hurt caused?!
M’anam ón diabhal, you had me worried afor a while but I had made that  clear from the start when I responded to sid and the rest, as the old saying goes, is history.
The origin of my handle goes back to the day I was stuck in a pub watching a Railway Cup game on TV.
Mar is eol duit, the commentary was as Gaeilge.
The guy sitting beside me was one mean looking individual. Six feet plus and built like a tank, the tight crew cut was a giveaway. An American marine was my neighbour and I felt slightly uneasy in case he objected to my presence in any way. I had sat down before I noticed that there were empty seats on either side of him.
I felt unsettled by his presence as he sat there glued to the box. His expression never changed but I could see from his eye movements that he was following the game closely.
All the time, for the duration of the game, he did not utter a word, just signalled to the barman when he wanted a refill. The drink was neat whiskey and the refills came every ten minutes or so. Not a word all the while from mo dhuine.
I was relieved when the game ended and I went to stand up.
The yank beat me to it.
He stood up, polished off his last drink and turned to me, looking me straight in the eye.
“Friend, I don’t know what that game is about and I sure caan’t follow the lingo but I'll tell you what…”
He put down the glass and then said , “ there sure is one thing I do know and that Lar guy is one hell of a player.”
He could see that I couldn’t understand. I could sense he was a little bit annoyed so I wasn’t going to disagree with him.
“Oh, I see what you mean I said. Which Lar did you have in mind?”
He looked at me as if I was a born fool, which I felt I was and was feeling more so by each passing second.
“Which Lar,?”  sez he, “ there was only one standout player in that game and that was Lar Naparka.
Years later when I came across gaaboard, I had no problem cooking up with my handle.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rudi on January 15, 2021, 09:24:35 PM
Lár na Páirce, a chara!

Do I agree with Sid?!  As you correctly state - sin ceist eile!  I do not agree that RTÉ should have had to issue an apology. If the sketch had been this weekend, after the Mother-and-Baby-Homes Report, I doubt if Archbishop Martin would have spoken on the matter at all.

We are an Irish-speaking family.  If we felt that you are mocking our language by bastardising the spelling of Lár na Páirce, would you feel a need to apologise for the hurt caused?!
M’anam ón diabhal, you had me worried afor a while but I had made that  clear from the start when I responded to sid and the rest, as the old saying goes, is history.
The origin of my handle goes back to the day I was stuck in a pub watching a Railway Cup game on TV.
Mar is eol duit, the commentary was as Gaeilge.
The guy sitting beside me was one mean looking individual. Six feet plus and built like a tank, the tight crew cut was a giveaway. An American marine was my neighbour and I felt slightly uneasy in case he objected to my presence in any way. I had sat down before I noticed that there were empty seats on either side of him.
I felt unsettled by his presence as he sat there glued to the box. His expression never changed but I could see from his eye movements that he was following the game closely.
All the time, for the duration of the game, he did not utter a word, just signalled to the barman when he wanted a refill. The drink was neat whiskey and the refills came every ten minutes or so. Not a word all the while from mo dhuine.
I was relieved when the game ended and I went to stand up.
The yank beat me to it.
He stood up, polished off his last drink and turned to me, looking me straight in the eye.
“Friend, I don’t know what that game is about and I sure caan’t follow the lingo but I'll tell you what…”
He put down the glass and then said , “ there sure is one thing I do know and that Lar guy is one hell of a player.”
He could see that I couldn’t understand. I could sense he was a little bit annoyed so I wasn’t going to disagree with him.
“Oh, I see what you mean I said. Which Lar did you have in mind?”
He looked at me as if I was a born fool, which I felt I was and was feeling more so by each passing second.
“Which Lar,?”  sez he, “ there was only one standout player in that game and that was Lar Naparka.
Years later when I came across gaaboard, I had no problem cooking up with my handle.

Good stuff, enjoyed that and good health to you.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Rossfan on January 15, 2021, 09:35:02 PM
Scéal maith a Lar ;D
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 15, 2021, 10:00:58 PM
Lár na Páirce, a chara!

Do I agree with Sid?!  As you correctly state - sin ceist eile!  I do not agree that RTÉ should have had to issue an apology. If the sketch had been this weekend, after the Mother-and-Baby-Homes Report, I doubt if Archbishop Martin would have spoken on the matter at all.

We are an Irish-speaking family.  If we felt that you are mocking our language by bastardising the spelling of Lár na Páirce, would you feel a need to apologise for the hurt caused?!
M’anam ón diabhal, you had me worried afor a while but I had made that  clear from the start when I responded to sid and the rest, as the old saying goes, is history.
The origin of my handle goes back to the day I was stuck in a pub watching a Railway Cup game on TV.
Mar is eol duit, the commentary was as Gaeilge.
The guy sitting beside me was one mean looking individual. Six feet plus and built like a tank, the tight crew cut was a giveaway. An American marine was my neighbour and I felt slightly uneasy in case he objected to my presence in any way. I had sat down before I noticed that there were empty seats on either side of him.
I felt unsettled by his presence as he sat there glued to the box. His expression never changed but I could see from his eye movements that he was following the game closely.
All the time, for the duration of the game, he did not utter a word, just signalled to the barman when he wanted a refill. The drink was neat whiskey and the refills came every ten minutes or so. Not a word all the while from mo dhuine.
I was relieved when the game ended and I went to stand up.
The yank beat me to it.
He stood up, polished off his last drink and turned to me, looking me straight in the eye.
“Friend, I don’t know what that game is about and I sure caan’t follow the lingo but I'll tell you what…”
He put down the glass and then said , “ there sure is one thing I do know and that Lar guy is one hell of a player.”
He could see that I couldn’t understand. I could sense he was a little bit annoyed so I wasn’t going to disagree with him.
“Oh, I see what you mean I said. Which Lar did you have in mind?”
He looked at me as if I was a born fool, which I felt I was and was feeling more so by each passing second.
“Which Lar,?”  sez he, “ there was only one standout player in that game and that was Lar Naparka.
Years later when I came across gaaboard, I had no problem cooking up with my handle.
Brilliant!!  Enjoyed that one!!!  Maigh Eo abú!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: JoG2 on January 15, 2021, 10:29:35 PM
Lár na Páirce, a chara!

Do I agree with Sid?!  As you correctly state - sin ceist eile!  I do not agree that RTÉ should have had to issue an apology. If the sketch had been this weekend, after the Mother-and-Baby-Homes Report, I doubt if Archbishop Martin would have spoken on the matter at all.

We are an Irish-speaking family.  If we felt that you are mocking our language by bastardising the spelling of Lár na Páirce, would you feel a need to apologise for the hurt caused?!
M’anam ón diabhal, you had me worried afor a while but I had made that  clear from the start when I responded to sid and the rest, as the old saying goes, is history.
The origin of my handle goes back to the day I was stuck in a pub watching a Railway Cup game on TV.
Mar is eol duit, the commentary was as Gaeilge.
The guy sitting beside me was one mean looking individual. Six feet plus and built like a tank, the tight crew cut was a giveaway. An American marine was my neighbour and I felt slightly uneasy in case he objected to my presence in any way. I had sat down before I noticed that there were empty seats on either side of him.
I felt unsettled by his presence as he sat there glued to the box. His expression never changed but I could see from his eye movements that he was following the game closely.
All the time, for the duration of the game, he did not utter a word, just signalled to the barman when he wanted a refill. The drink was neat whiskey and the refills came every ten minutes or so. Not a word all the while from mo dhuine.
I was relieved when the game ended and I went to stand up.
The yank beat me to it.
He stood up, polished off his last drink and turned to me, looking me straight in the eye.
“Friend, I don’t know what that game is about and I sure caan’t follow the lingo but I'll tell you what…”
He put down the glass and then said , “ there sure is one thing I do know and that Lar guy is one hell of a player.”
He could see that I couldn’t understand. I could sense he was a little bit annoyed so I wasn’t going to disagree with him.
“Oh, I see what you mean I said. Which Lar did you have in mind?”
He looked at me as if I was a born fool, which I felt I was and was feeling more so by each passing second.
“Which Lar,?”  sez he, “ there was only one standout player in that game and that was Lar Naparka.
Years later when I came across gaaboard, I had no problem cooking up with my handle.

 ;D. Brilliant Lar
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Ball Hopper on January 16, 2021, 01:37:32 AM
Great story Lar!

Best wishes on the health front as well...keep up the good spirits.
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: screenexile on January 16, 2021, 04:50:57 PM
Justin Thomas has had his sponsorship with Ralph Lauren cancelled because he said fa**ot when he missed a putt!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: restorepride on January 16, 2021, 06:14:05 PM
Justin Thomas has had his sponsorship with Ralph Lauren cancelled because he said fa**ot when he missed a putt!
He'll not say it again!
Title: Re: Who’s Been Cancelled??
Post by: Gmac on January 16, 2021, 08:27:08 PM
Justin Thomas has had his sponsorship with Ralph Lauren cancelled because he said fa**ot when he missed a putt!
why don’t they let us hear what nfl and nba players are saying ? Wouldn’t be many left to cancel after a few games I’d say .