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Title: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 06, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Are they now going to enforce the draw for this year's championship on a straight knockout basis, as it was pre-qualifier era?

The one thing about the qualifiers was it brought some sort of redress to Championship imbalance for the Ulster counties, it wasn't perfect as I believe the qualifier system should not allow counties from the same province meeting for as far as possible. Not really fair if a Donegal or Tyrone face off in the first round of Championship and the loser then has to face off against the loser of a Monaghan/Armagh clash while Kerry get parachuted into a Munster final by beating a Limerick or Tipp etc but at least the qualifier system then implement some sort of redress.

Surely in the case of straight knockout the Championship will be redrawn on an All Ireland basis, R32 through to final. 5 rounds. Seed the Div 1 and 2 teams for the first round, losers then go into the B Championship and an open draw from there on. For the year that is in it and with the exceptional circumstances surely this is a great way to trial it and probably the fairest on all counties involved?

If enforcing the draw as it is, this would lead to an instance where the 2014 and 2018 All Ireland finalists, both counties you could safely say are the 2 of the top 6 in the country right now are facing off a do or die battle in the first round of Championship, one is going home after one game played. Meanwhile if you look at the draw in Connacht, Galway are into a Connacht final after playing Sligo, a div 4 team.

I'd imagine the Donegal and Tyrone County Boards will be up in arms if the GAA try to enforce this.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: GlenMan on June 06, 2020, 10:58:59 AM
Surely if they're going to a straight All Ireland 32 County Knockout then that would have to be re-drawn?

Not least to take account of New York and London no longer being involved.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 06, 2020, 11:04:15 AM
Surely if they're going to a straight All Ireland 32 County Knockout then that would have to be re-drawn?

Not least to take account of New York and London no longer being involved.

You'd hope so but I fear it will be as drawn with Galway given a bye to face Sligo in the Connacht semi final.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: BennyCake on June 06, 2020, 11:49:15 AM
Round of 32
Round of 16
QFs
SFs
Final

Five rounds. Open draw. Even if you have a week break between each, it still takes 9 weeks to complete. Plus a few weeks for counties to prepare. So thatís about 12 weeks, or 3 months.

Thatís still a long window to complete, considering the risk of a second wave that may bring it to a halt halfway through. Weíd all love a championship this year if itís safe to do so.

So, best not to piss about, and get it played in as short a timeframe as possible. The shortest timeframe is what Iíve listed above. But Iím sure HQ will find some stupid way of pissing about with it, dragging it out and needlessly complicating things.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: balladmaker on June 06, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
Letís scrap the provincials, and get the possibility of Kerry or Dublin heading north for a first round championship game 😀 The days of a loaded championship system favouring big teams in weaker / smaller provinces should be consigned to the past.  And Iíd have a * placed beside each of Kerry and Dublinís previous All Irelandís to denote that they were won in a biased Championship system 😉
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:48 PM
If it needs to be done during this period it needs to be a straight knockout like before, no backdoors just a front door, teams train all year not just for championship, they train for the league also, getting an extra game or two wonít make a pile of difference, and winning an All Ireland through the backdoor always comes with an asterisk
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: galwayman on June 06, 2020, 12:49:55 PM
If the championship does go ahead they arenít going to scrap the provincial championships.
Iíd love to see it and an open draw knockout in its place but itís not going to happen imo.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: BennyCake on June 06, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
If it needs to be done during this period it needs to be a straight knockout like before, no backdoors just a front door, teams train all year not just for championship, they train for the league also, getting an extra game or two wonít make a pile of difference, and winning an All Ireland through the backdoor always comes with an asterisk

Where do those asterisks appear though? You never see them in any roll of honour. Only in peopleís heads.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 06, 2020, 01:24:10 PM
The silly season has arrived complete with asterisks.
The GAA will be deciding in 3 weeks on exact formats and whether NFL gets completed .
They might have 2 SFCs- one for asterisk Counties and 1 for non asterisk ones.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on June 06, 2020, 01:26:42 PM
From journalist Colm Keys whom is normal accurate.

Quote
The format of inter-county competitions will not be revealed until close to phase three, in about three weeks time.
But it looks certain that it will be knock-out, using the existing provincial championship draws and will run through November and into December, if required.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: balladmaker on June 06, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
The silly season has arrived complete with asterisks.
The GAA will be deciding in 3 weeks on exact formats and whether NFL gets completed .
They might have 2 SFCs- one for asterisk Counties and 1 for non asterisk ones.

I guess in the west there wouldnít be much appetite for an open 32 county draw, same in certain parts of Munster. 😊

Definitely want to see fixtures of importance completed in the leagues.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 06, 2020, 01:46:21 PM
From journalist Colm Keys whom is normal accurate.

Quote
The format of inter-county competitions will not be revealed until close to phase three, in about three weeks time.
But it looks certain that it will be knock-out, using the existing provincial championship draws and will run through November and into December, if required.

Is it Connacht v Munster in the semi's this year?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 06, 2020, 01:48:40 PM
From journalist Colm Keys whom is normal accurate.

Quote
The format of inter-county competitions will not be revealed until close to phase three, in about three weeks time.
But it looks certain that it will be knock-out, using the existing provincial championship draws and will run through November and into December, if required.

Is it Connacht v Munster in the semi's this year?

Galway will enter the last 8 the All Ireland series via winning a game against a Div 4 side.

It's an absolute farce if it goes ahead as it looks like.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: J70 on June 06, 2020, 02:12:09 PM
What about splitting the 32 teams into eight groups of four, using seedings? Then everyone is guaranteed at least three championship games. Go knockout from last 16. It would only add two weeks anyway.

And yeah, I know there'd be dead rubbers and drubbings, but you're going to get that anyway.

Put it this way, is whoever is drawn against Dublin or Kerry really going to put in a couple of months hard training for a one-game-and-that's-your-season hammering?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 06, 2020, 02:30:58 PM
The silly season has arrived complete with asterisks.
The GAA will be deciding in 3 weeks on exact formats and whether NFL gets completed .
They might have 2 SFCs- one for asterisk Counties and 1 for non asterisk ones.

I guess in the west there wouldnít be much appetite for an open 32 county draw, same in certain parts of Munster. 😊

3 of the top 8 teams are in Connacht (same in Ulster)
Only 1 will get to the All Ireland Championship if the pre 2001 system is used.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: galwayman on June 06, 2020, 02:52:29 PM
From journalist Colm Keys whom is normal accurate.

Quote
The format of inter-county competitions will not be revealed until close to phase three, in about three weeks time.
But it looks certain that it will be knock-out, using the existing provincial championship draws and will run through November and into December, if required.

Is it Connacht v Munster in the semi's this year?

Galway will enter the last 8 the All Ireland series via winning a game against a Div 4 side.

It's an absolute farce if it goes ahead as it looks like.
True but thatís no different to what could have happened prior to the backdoor being introduced anyway. I would personally favour an open draw.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 06, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
What about splitting the 32 teams into eight groups of four, using seedings? Then everyone is guaranteed at least three championship games. Go knockout from last 16. It would only add two weeks anyway.

And yeah, I know there'd be dead rubbers and drubbings, but you're going to get that anyway.

Put it this way, is whoever is drawn against Dublin or Kerry really going to put in a couple of months hard training for a one-game-and-that's-your-season hammering?

Those extra few weeks should be used to finished off the NFL IMO. 
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 06, 2020, 04:46:25 PM

Put it this way, is whoever is drawn against Dublin or Kerry really going to put in a couple of months hard training for a one-game-and-that's-your-season hammering?

Would the best way around this be do a seeded draw for the round of 32, Div 1 and 2 sides seeded, div 3 and 4 unseeded.

Then the winners go onto the round of 16 and the losers go into a round of 16 for a B Championship.

I'd imagine there will be uproar from a few of the Ulster counties if they are going to play out the Championship straight knockout as it was drawn.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: J70 on June 06, 2020, 07:03:01 PM

Put it this way, is whoever is drawn against Dublin or Kerry really going to put in a couple of months hard training for a one-game-and-that's-your-season hammering?

Would the best way around this be do a seeded draw for the round of 32, Div 1 and 2 sides seeded, div 3 and 4 unseeded.

Then the winners go onto the round of 16 and the losers go into a round of 16 for a B Championship.

I'd imagine there will be uproar from a few of the Ulster counties if they are going to play out the Championship straight knockout as it was drawn.

Might be a good opportunity to give a B championship a try-out after all the talk about it.

Ballybofey will not be a place for the faint-hearted if Donegal v Tyrone gets the go ahead with no second chance for the losers. :)
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 06, 2020, 07:10:11 PM
What about splitting the 32 teams into eight groups of four, using seedings? Then everyone is guaranteed at least three championship games. Go knockout from last 16. It would only add two weeks anyway.

And yeah, I know there'd be dead rubbers and drubbings, but you're going to get that anyway.

Put it this way, is whoever is drawn against Dublin or Kerry really going to put in a couple of months hard training for a one-game-and-that's-your-season hammering?

Those extra few weeks should be used to finished off the NFL IMO.
At least then Sligo and Leitrim would have something to play for fighting to get promotion and avoid relegation.
Drawn against Galway and Mayowestros without Qualifiers will hardly entice them to take it very seriously having just had a Club campaign and the 2021 League only 10 ir 12 weeks away.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 10, 2020, 05:20:12 AM
best way is 32 team knockout no seeds it will be great but gaa wont do it  if they go with the provincial system then id love to see donegal v tyrone game on a saturday night under lights
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 10, 2020, 05:22:55 AM
I know it cant happen because gaa is amautuer and players need to work but imagine a world cup style knockout tournament of 32 teams played over 2 or 3 weeks with games throwing in at like 5pm and 8pm every day so we could see tyrone v down at 5pm on a wednesday
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2020, 09:10:50 AM
I know it cant happen because gaa is amautuer and players need to work but imagine a world cup style knockout tournament of 32 teams played over 2 or 3 weeks with games throwing in at like 5pm and 8pm every day so we could see tyrone v down at 5pm on a wednesday

Words fail me!
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Taylor on June 10, 2020, 09:20:10 AM
I know it cant happen because gaa is amautuer and players need to work but imagine a world cup style knockout tournament of 32 teams played over 2 or 3 weeks with games throwing in at like 5pm and 8pm every day so we could see tyrone v down at 5pm on a wednesday

Correct
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 09:41:09 AM
I know it cant happen because gaa is amautuer and players need to work but imagine a world cup style knockout tournament of 32 teams played over 2 or 3 weeks with games throwing in at like 5pm and 8pm every day so we could see tyrone v down at 5pm on a wednesday

Aye, driving from killybegs to Newry on a week night. Sure weíll all be off school for the summer holidays so it wonít be a problem  ;D
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 13, 2020, 05:15:26 PM

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Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 13, 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Good to see they plan finishing the 2 Rounds of NFL anyway.
Would I be right in thinking they'll have a backdoor in Hurling but only knock out in football

Ros County Board have issued their draft fixtures for the various Football Championships and the Hurling one.
I expect the Clubs will run with it?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: An Watcher on June 19, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
It should be an open draw and straight knock out. Forget about provincial championships for once!!!
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 20, 2020, 07:09:19 AM
provincials are unbalanced go 32 team ko
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2020, 08:28:04 AM
Good to see they plan finishing the 2 Rounds of NFL anyway.
Would I be right in thinking they'll have a backdoor in Hurling but only knock out in football

Ros County Board have issued their draft fixtures for the various Football Championships and the Hurling one.
I expect the Clubs will run with it?

What if the CCCC push forward the county competitions? That would mean wholesale changes for club fixtures. Not saying they will, but with nearly every other thing brought forward it wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: five points on June 20, 2020, 08:41:30 AM
I know I'm probably in a minority of one here but I think it's crazy to be completing the national leagues.

Essentially what they want to do is promote or relegate teams based on games from which individual players may, for their own reasons, want or have to opt out in order to protect themselves or vulnerable family members from the virus.

Given that the football league will for some counties determine their 2021 championship status, I think it's outrageous to put them under pressure to play.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on June 20, 2020, 06:05:28 PM
I know I'm probably in a minority of one here but I think it's crazy to be completing the national leagues.

Essentially what they want to do is promote or relegate teams based on games from which individual players may, for their own reasons, want or have to opt out in order to protect themselves or vulnerable family members from the virus.

Given that the football league will for some counties determine their 2021 championship status, I think it's outrageous to put them under pressure to play.

Providing no 2nd wave the GAA inter-county 2020 season will re-commence in October. Starting off with where it stopped in March (round 6 of the NFL) is hardly crazy or putting players under pressure and especially if the players have come through their county club season without any problems. I'd expect less opt outs in that situation.

If the cases spike up again in the autumn I don't think players will be put under pressure as a decision at the top will be made to halt the season once more.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 20, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
Covid could cause complications.......

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/afl-thrown-into-chaos-after-tyrones-conor-mckenna-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-39301092.html
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 11:09:34 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gpa-urge-croker-chiefs-to-scrap-provincials-for-year-39303944.html

Hopefully the GAA pay heed to this.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 22, 2020, 01:27:58 PM
Provincial boards will moan so they probably wont be a open draw i think provincials are outdated should only exists at club tho personally i look at ditching them at club level too and having the 32 county champions in an open draw.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 22, 2020, 01:39:23 PM
The GAA Have the opportunity for something special but probably wont do it as they are afraid it will be a success
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: dublin7 on June 22, 2020, 06:54:05 PM
The GAA Have the opportunity for something special but probably wont do it as they are afraid it will be a success

That could actually be true. Provincial councils probably think the system has worked for the last 100 years so they don't need to change it.

With no backdoor for football mooted why would alot of county teams even bother training? Leinster & Munster are turkey shoots so what's the incentive for the players from these counties to kill themselves training?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on June 22, 2020, 07:23:08 PM
The GAA Have the opportunity for something special but probably wont do it as they are afraid it will be a success

That could actually be true. Provincial councils probably think the system has worked for the last 100 years so they don't need to change it.

With no backdoor for football mooted why would alot of county teams even bother training? Leinster & Munster are turkey shoots so what's the incentive for the players from these counties to kill themselves training?

Before 2001 we had straight knock out championship football. U20 championship is currently that way.

The return to county football in October will likely include the 2 remaining NFL games so 3 guaranteed games for every team. I think Tailteann Cup is shelved until 2021 not that alot of counties likely involved was overly keen about that competition anyway.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: dublin7 on June 22, 2020, 07:53:27 PM
The GAA Have the opportunity for something special but probably wont do it as they are afraid it will be a success

That could actually be true. Provincial councils probably think the system has worked for the last 100 years so they don't need to change it.

With no backdoor for football mooted why would alot of county teams even bother training? Leinster & Munster are turkey shoots so what's the incentive for the players from these counties to kill themselves training?

Before 2001 we had straight knock out championship football. U20 championship is currently that way.

The return to county football in October will likely include the 2 remaining NFL games so 3 guaranteed games for every team. I think Tailteann Cup is shelved until 2021 not that alot of counties likely involved was overly keen about that competition anyway.

Training/commitment required in 2020 is alot more demanding than it was in 2001. Also if the championship is extended to December as suggested then county player will have virtually no off season as they'll be back training for the new season in Jan 2021
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on June 22, 2020, 08:56:00 PM
The GAA Have the opportunity for something special but probably wont do it as they are afraid it will be a success

That could actually be true. Provincial councils probably think the system has worked for the last 100 years so they don't need to change it.

With no backdoor for football mooted why would alot of county teams even bother training? Leinster & Munster are turkey shoots so what's the incentive for the players from these counties to kill themselves training?

Before 2001 we had straight knock out championship football. U20 championship is currently that way.

The return to county football in October will likely include the 2 remaining NFL games so 3 guaranteed games for every team. I think Tailteann Cup is shelved until 2021 not that alot of counties likely involved was overly keen about that competition anyway.

Training/commitment required in 2020 is alot more demanding than it was in 2001. Also if the championship is extended to December as suggested then county player will have virtually no off season as they'll be back training for the new season in Jan 2021

If all goes to plan and the championship is played this calendar year I can imagine some time off will be place before the 2021 season commences.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: dublin7 on June 24, 2020, 12:30:30 PM
The GAA Have the opportunity for something special but probably wont do it as they are afraid it will be a success

That could actually be true. Provincial councils probably think the system has worked for the last 100 years so they don't need to change it.

With no backdoor for football mooted why would alot of county teams even bother training? Leinster & Munster are turkey shoots so what's the incentive for the players from these counties to kill themselves training?

Before 2001 we had straight knock out championship football. U20 championship is currently that way.

The return to county football in October will likely include the 2 remaining NFL games so 3 guaranteed games for every team. I think Tailteann Cup is shelved until 2021 not that alot of counties likely involved was overly keen about that competition anyway.

Training/commitment required in 2020 is alot more demanding than it was in 2001. Also if the championship is extended to December as suggested then county player will have virtually no off season as they'll be back training for the new season in Jan 2021

If all goes to plan and the championship is played this calendar year I can imagine some time off will be place before the 2021 season commences.

Try telling that to county managers! You can almost guarantee there will be county panels back training in January. The GAA don't have enough space in the calendar to move back the league/championship for any significant length of time anyway. Even if they drop the pre-season competitions like the O'Byrne cup you're only talking about a few weeks that county managers will use for training anyway
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 24, 2020, 04:06:10 PM
why would you not be excited with limerick v wicklow a chance for both of them to advanced to the last 16 maybe potentially get a draw against another lower ranked team the way some fans go on you think they just want to see the same teams play each other over and over.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: dublin7 on June 24, 2020, 07:42:55 PM
why would you not be excited with limerick v wicklow a chance for both of them to advanced to the last 16 maybe potentially get a draw against another lower ranked team the way some fans go on you think they just want to see the same teams play each other over and over.

An open draw on a knock out basis could generate alot of novel draws like you suggest and could generate alot of interest. One thing the GAA isn't good at though is change so expect the same tired and out of date formula for the draw or championship
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2020, 08:22:57 PM
why would you not be excited with limerick v wicklow a chance for both of them to advanced to the last 16 maybe potentially get a draw against another lower ranked team the way some fans go on you think they just want to see the same teams play each other over and over.

An open draw on a knock out basis could generate alot of novel draws like you suggest and could generate alot of interest. One thing the GAA isn't good at though is change so expect the same tired and out of date formula for the draw or championship

I doubt any other team sport in the world changes its formats, playing rules as much as GAA football has over that last two decades.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 24, 2020, 08:44:18 PM
Will all games in this year's "Blitz" be finish on the day??
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: dublin7 on June 25, 2020, 12:43:07 PM
why would you not be excited with limerick v wicklow a chance for both of them to advanced to the last 16 maybe potentially get a draw against another lower ranked team the way some fans go on you think they just want to see the same teams play each other over and over.

An open draw on a knock out basis could generate alot of novel draws like you suggest and could generate alot of interest. One thing the GAA isn't good at though is change so expect the same tired and out of date formula for the draw or championship

I doubt any other team sport in the world changes its formats, playing rules as much as GAA football has over that last two decades.

The hurling has changed in fairness, but what are the odds the football championship will still be based on a provincial basis in 20 years time? It's an outdated, unfair system and the only real positive to the provincial series at this stage is gate receipts it brings in for the provincial councils and even that has dropped in recent years
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2020, 03:45:40 PM
why would you not be excited with limerick v wicklow a chance for both of them to advanced to the last 16 maybe potentially get a draw against another lower ranked team the way some fans go on you think they just want to see the same teams play each other over and over.

An open draw on a knock out basis could generate alot of novel draws like you suggest and could generate alot of interest. One thing the GAA isn't good at though is change so expect the same tired and out of date formula for the draw or championship

I doubt any other team sport in the world changes its formats, playing rules as much as GAA football has over that last two decades.

The hurling has changed in fairness, but what are the odds the football championship will still be based on a provincial basis in 20 years time? It's an outdated, unfair system and the only real positive to the provincial series at this stage is gate receipts it brings in for the provincial councils and even that has dropped in recent years

Short odds considering those at the top are pushing for it in the media the same way they did for the daftness of a group stage for the final 8 and the return of the Tommy Murphy cup.

Only natural gate receipts drop when one team is dominating its provincial championship, the cream rises to the top regardless of the format.

It's not all about who win a provincial title either. For example there was huge interest in Cavan and Fermanagh when they reached recent Ulster finals would they have the same interest for a knock out championship without the provincial championships included?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Orior on June 25, 2020, 04:12:03 PM
why would you not be excited with limerick v wicklow a chance for both of them to advanced to the last 16 maybe potentially get a draw against another lower ranked team the way some fans go on you think they just want to see the same teams play each other over and over.

An open draw on a knock out basis could generate alot of novel draws like you suggest and could generate alot of interest. One thing the GAA isn't good at though is change so expect the same tired and out of date formula for the draw or championship

I doubt any other team sport in the world changes its formats, playing rules as much as GAA football has over that last two decades.

The hurling has changed in fairness, but what are the odds the football championship will still be based on a provincial basis in 20 years time? It's an outdated, unfair system and the only real positive to the provincial series at this stage is gate receipts it brings in for the provincial councils and even that has dropped in recent years

Short odds considering those at the top are pushing for it in the media the same way they did for the daftness of a group stage for the final 8 and the return of the Tommy Murphy cup.

Only natural gate receipts drop when one team is dominating its provincial championship, the cream rises to the top regardless of the format.

It's not all about who win a provincial title either. For example there was huge interest in Cavan and Fermanagh when they reached recent Ulster finals would they have the same interest for a knock out championship without the provincial championships included?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
why would you not be excited with limerick v wicklow a chance for both of them to advanced to the last 16 maybe potentially get a draw against another lower ranked team the way some fans go on you think they just want to see the same teams play each other over and over.

An open draw on a knock out basis could generate alot of novel draws like you suggest and could generate alot of interest. One thing the GAA isn't good at though is change so expect the same tired and out of date formula for the draw or championship

I doubt any other team sport in the world changes its formats, playing rules as much as GAA football has over that last two decades.

The hurling has changed in fairness, but what are the odds the football championship will still be based on a provincial basis in 20 years time? It's an outdated, unfair system and the only real positive to the provincial series at this stage is gate receipts it brings in for the provincial councils and even that has dropped in recent years

Short odds considering those at the top are pushing for it in the media the same way they did for the daftness of a group stage for the final 8 and the return of the Tommy Murphy cup.

Only natural gate receipts drop when one team is dominating its provincial championship, the cream rises to the top regardless of the format.

It's not all about who win a provincial title either. For example there was huge interest in Cavan and Fermanagh when they reached recent Ulster finals would they have the same interest for a knock out championship without the provincial championships included?

Yes.

I'd doubt say a round 16 knock out game would provide the same buzz in the towns throughout Cavan, Fermanagh as they did in the weeks build up towards the Ulster final did.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Derry Optimist on June 25, 2020, 06:43:53 PM
I see where, "according to informed RTE" sources, that there is going to be allowances made for a back door system in this years's All Ireland Senior Hurling championship.However the same sources indicate that there is no back door, just a straight knock out system, in this year's All Ireland Senior Football championship.

To me this is blatant discrimination  in favour of the hurling counties in  getting  preferential treatment. I thought the GAA prided itself in looking after both codes in a fair and straight forward manner. For example as Tyrone and Donegal are scheduled to meet in the first round of  the Ulster football championship, and if the RTE predictions are correct, that means that the loser of the Tyrone/Donegal game is eliminated from this year's competition.

On the contrary if the same fate were to happen in the Munster hurling championship the first round losers are allowed in again.Surely this is a patently  unfair scenario if it were allowed to happen. All our codes in all our provinces should receive equal treatment.It should be a back door for both or a back door for neither.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2020, 08:20:16 PM
I see where, "according to informed RTE" sources, that there is going to be allowances made for a back door system in this years's All Ireland Senior Hurling championship.However the same sources indicate that there is no back door, just a straight knock out system, in this year's All Ireland Senior Football championship.

To me this is blatant discrimination  in favour of the hurling counties in  getting  preferential treatment. I thought the GAA prided itself in looking after both codes in a fair and straight forward manner. For example as Tyrone and Donegal are scheduled to meet in the first round of  the Ulster football championship, and if the RTE predictions are correct, that means that the loser of the Tyrone/Donegal game is eliminated from this year's competition.

On the contrary if the same fate were to happen in the Munster hurling championship the first round losers are allowed in again.Surely this is a patently  unfair scenario if it were allowed to happen. All our codes in all our provinces should receive equal treatment.It should be a back door for both or a back door for neither.

There are less teams competing in the Liam McCarthy cup, there are Over 32 Counties in the Sam Maguire for some reason.

The hurling is a smaller competition in fairness, easier to run off
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 25, 2020, 08:27:53 PM
I see where, "according to informed RTE" sources, that there is going to be allowances made for a back door system in this years's All Ireland Senior Hurling championship.However the same sources indicate that there is no back door, just a straight knock out system, in this year's All Ireland Senior Football championship.

To me this is blatant discrimination  in favour of the hurling counties in  getting  preferential treatment. I thought the GAA prided itself in looking after both codes in a fair and straight forward manner. For example as Tyrone and Donegal are scheduled to meet in the first round of  the Ulster football championship, and if the RTE predictions are correct, that means that the loser of the Tyrone/Donegal game is eliminated from this year's competition.

On the contrary if the same fate were to happen in the Munster hurling championship the first round losers are allowed in again.Surely this is a patently  unfair scenario if it were allowed to happen. All our codes in all our provinces should receive equal treatment.It should be a back door for both or a back door for neither.
;D
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2020, 08:48:16 PM
I see where, "according to informed RTE" sources, that there is going to be allowances made for a back door system in this years's All Ireland Senior Hurling championship.However the same sources indicate that there is no back door, just a straight knock out system, in this year's All Ireland Senior Football championship.

To me this is blatant discrimination  in favour of the hurling counties in  getting  preferential treatment. I thought the GAA prided itself in looking after both codes in a fair and straight forward manner. For example as Tyrone and Donegal are scheduled to meet in the first round of  the Ulster football championship, and if the RTE predictions are correct, that means that the loser of the Tyrone/Donegal game is eliminated from this year's competition.

On the contrary if the same fate were to happen in the Munster hurling championship the first round losers are allowed in again.Surely this is a patently  unfair scenario if it were allowed to happen. All our codes in all our provinces should receive equal treatment.It should be a back door for both or a back door for neither.
;D

Is this Derry man saying hurling is treated equally in Derry and Ulster?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 25, 2020, 09:14:07 PM
The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin who will stroll to the All Ireland Semi Finals.
Up to the other 30 to spake up and stop it.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 25, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin who will stroll to the All Ireland Semi Finals.
Up to the other 30 to spake up and stop it.
Iím not sure how that really differs to any other year and nobody spakes up.

To be fair to Dublin, there are plenty of teams in Leinster. Theyíre just much better than them (you can add every other team into that bracket more or less).
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 25, 2020, 11:57:48 PM
With Qualifiers good teams from Connacht and Ulster can still reach the closing stages.
This year only 1 of Ros/Galway/Rhubarbs will get through as will only 1 of Donegal/Tyrone/Monaghan.
The Connacht and Ulster Champions will be wrecked playing hard games while the other 2 will be nicely loosened up and fresh.
We're talking 7 rounds played over 8 weeks here so being nice and fresh for the last 2 is an enormous advantage.
Mind you Covid could scupper the whole shebang......
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: thewobbler on June 26, 2020, 06:38:42 AM
With Qualifiers good teams from Connacht and Ulster can still reach the closing stages.
This year only 1 of Ros/Galway/Rhubarbs will get through as will only 1 of Donegal/Tyrone/Monaghan.
The Connacht and Ulster Champions will be wrecked playing hard games while the other 2 will be nicely loosened up and fresh.
We're talking 7 rounds played over 8 weeks here so being nice and fresh for the last 2 is an enormous advantage.
Mind you Covid could scupper the whole shebang......

ďWreckedĒ?

Watch while certain managers complain about how the imbalances give Ulster teams a chance to get battle hardened ahead of the semis. See people like complain.


óó-

If itís less than a game a week, itís not a punishing schedule.

Thereís no great teams, 3 good teams, 5 mediocre teams and 1 poor team in Ulster.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 09:07:36 AM
With Qualifiers good teams from Connacht and Ulster can still reach the closing stages.
This year only 1 of Ros/Galway/Rhubarbs will get through as will only 1 of Donegal/Tyrone/Monaghan.
The Connacht and Ulster Champions will be wrecked playing hard games while the other 2 will be nicely loosened up and fresh.
We're talking 7 rounds played over 8 weeks here so being nice and fresh for the last 2 is an enormous advantage.
Mind you Covid could scupper the whole shebang......
The Connacht champions could play 2 games with one of them being difficult. Dublin could easily point at Connacht and say, ďThere are less than half the teams there than in our provincial championship. And 3 or 4* of them are shite.Ē

*They could be basing that on how big a challenge those teams put up to Dublin in championship football.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 26, 2020, 09:45:57 AM
Dublin could do a lot of things but they WILL be in the AI semis.
No team in Connacht or Ulster can say that.
Anyway all will be revealed today and 25 Counties can plan for the completion of their NFL campaign and begin preparations for the 21 League.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 09:53:40 AM
Dublin could do a lot of things but they WILL be in the AI semis.
No team in Connacht or Ulster can say that.
Anyway all will be revealed today and 25 Counties can plan for the completion of their NFL campaign and begin preparations for the 21 League.
Thatís only because Dublin are better than everyone else. Iíve no doubt that teams can have easier routes through the championship but if my county was making the Super 8s by beating Leitrim and Armagh, Iíd be keeping my head down on that one.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 26, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
And the tear after we bet Mayowestros and Galway.
People are entitled to state their opinions no matter how good  or bad their County team is.
After all we need to hear from Antrim lads occasionally.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on June 26, 2020, 11:05:21 AM
Dublin could do a lot of things but they WILL be in the AI semis.
No team in Connacht or Ulster can say that.
Anyway all will be revealed today and 25 Counties can plan for the completion of their NFL campaign and begin preparations for the 21 League.
Thatís only because Dublin are better than everyone else. Iíve no doubt that teams can have easier routes through the championship but if my county was making the Super 8s by beating Leitrim and Armagh, Iíd be keeping my head down on that one.

I think that if your county was to make the super 8s, even by beating Leitrim and Armagh, you'd be very surprised!
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 11:11:20 AM
And the tear after we bet Mayowestros and Galway.
People are entitled to state their opinions no matter how good  or bad their County team is.
After all we need to hear from Antrim lads occasionally.
And? It doesnít take away from the fact there are times where it is stacked in your favour and that due to you being from a small province you are afforded opportunities of progression in the championship that most other counties arenít. That is fine as far as Iím concerned. Theyíre just the breaks. However, it becomes a bit of a joke when you start pointing the accusing finger at others. Indeed, at a county from the largest province who currently happen to be much better than the 10 other teams in their province and in fact the rest of Ireland.

How or why they are much better is a different conversation.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
Dublin could do a lot of things but they WILL be in the AI semis.
No team in Connacht or Ulster can say that.
Anyway all will be revealed today and 25 Counties can plan for the completion of their NFL campaign and begin preparations for the 21 League.
Thatís only because Dublin are better than everyone else. Iíve no doubt that teams can have easier routes through the championship but if my county was making the Super 8s by beating Leitrim and Armagh, Iíd be keeping my head down on that one.

I think that if your county was to make the super 8s, even by beating Leitrim and Armagh, you'd be very surprised!
The opportunity would be nice though.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on June 26, 2020, 11:24:50 AM
Dublin could do a lot of things but they WILL be in the AI semis.
No team in Connacht or Ulster can say that.
Anyway all will be revealed today and 25 Counties can plan for the completion of their NFL campaign and begin preparations for the 21 League.
Thatís only because Dublin are better than everyone else. Iíve no doubt that teams can have easier routes through the championship but if my county was making the Super 8s by beating Leitrim and Armagh, Iíd be keeping my head down on that one.

I think that if your county was to make the super 8s, even by beating Leitrim and Armagh, you'd be very surprised!
The opportunity would be nice though.

Tiocfaidh do lŠ!
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 26, 2020, 11:31:35 AM
And the tear after we bet Mayowestros and Galway.
People are entitled to state their opinions no matter how good  or bad their County team is.
After all we need to hear from Antrim lads occasionally.
And? It doesnít take away from the fact there are times where it is stacked in your favour and that due to you being from a small province you are afforded opportunities of progression in the championship that most other counties arenít. That is fine as far as Iím concerned. Theyíre just the breaks. However, it becomes a bit of a joke when you start pointing the accusing finger at others. Indeed, at a county from the largest province who currently happen to be much better than the 10 other teams in their province and in fact the rest of Ireland.

How or why they are much better is a different conversation.

As is the fact that a County with a Nationalist population of around 250k consistently has the weakest football team of the 6 Cos.
Maybe you should concentrate on that instead of trying to put my opinion down.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 11:36:05 AM
I take it from you deflecting to some irrelevant point that you realise you are wrong.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 26, 2020, 12:24:41 PM
Wrong about what?
Anyway the fixtures are all announced including Ros v London weekend 31st October ( travel restrictions allowing).
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 26, 2020, 12:25:50 PM
I will be interested to see if the Donegal and Tyrone County boards speak up against it.

It's a farce really. Galway can make a de facto All Ireland quarter final by virtue of beating a Div 4 team in Sligo while Tyrone and Donegal go into a knockout tie at the round of 32.

I hope there is strong resistance to this by the Ulster counties.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 12:31:13 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 26, 2020, 12:33:25 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin

Galway are the big winners in this.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 26, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 26, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.

Galway only need to win 4 games to capture the All Ireland and the first one of those is against a Div 4 side who they have beaten in Connacht the previous two years by 13 and 21 points.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Manning18 on June 26, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.

Galway only need to win 4 games to capture the All Ireland and the first one of those is against a Div 4 side who they have beaten in Connacht the previous two years by 13 and 21 points.

Connacht were due to meet Ulster in the semi and Dublin due to meet Kerry in the other. Theyve switched this to make it Leinster v Ulster. Connacht and Ulster counties should be up in arms.

Galway have an easy run to a connacht final but very tough from there. Kerry are the big winners and have by far the easiest run. Followed by Dublin
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 01:14:21 PM
once again the gaa scared of provinces provinces are destroying the game maybe should be abolished at all levels
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 01:16:07 PM
when did they switch it so they have switched it to make it easier for a dublin v kerry final if thats the case why is their not a big uproar
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 01:17:33 PM
i am very happy with the saturday final tho saturday under lights i would have all finals on a saturday if it was me.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Itchy on June 26, 2020, 01:20:13 PM
Very disappointed to see that there is no 2nd chance for teams of some sort or that zero innovation went into this plan. It stinks of we need the big games at semi final and final stage and the rest is just window dressing. I think counties will really struggle to keep their players interested this year.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 26, 2020, 01:24:05 PM
when did they switch it so they have switched it to make it easier for a dublin v kerry final if thats the case why is their not a big uproar
I'm waiting for the explanation for the changes to what were the presumed semi final pairings, it matches the U20 pairings this year but seems to disregard the Senior pairings the past few years, doesn't match the way Minor has been paired either.
Last non Super 8 season was Leinster v Ulster and Connacht v Munster.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: rodney trotter on June 26, 2020, 01:27:46 PM
It wouldn't have been possible to have a backdoor system unless they wanted to continue it into January. They wanted it done in  the Calendar year and then plan for 2021 season.
A knockout will be interesting for the year that's in it.  A second wave is predicted around October, so it could go belly up yet.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 26, 2020, 01:29:15 PM
It's the best of a bad situation.

A few months ago life as we knew it was over. Lets get on with it lads. Something positive to look forward to.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 01:33:35 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.
Look, Dublin have reached the semi final stage every year for the last 10 years or so. The only way a team like Dublin wonít reach the semi final is if they are caught on the hop.

In this system, if Dublin are caught on the hop, they are out.
In the super 8 system, Dublin can afford to be caught on the hop twice and still make the semi final stage.

Add to that, they may have more games than teams in other provinces.
The basis of your argument is that they are better than other teams in their province. Being better than other teams is not unfair advantage, it is the aim. As I said, the hows and whys of them being better than other teams can be debated but thatís another discussion.

So all in, I canít see how this year will suit Dublin more than any other season. And I canít see why you left Connacht teams out seeing there are only a handful of them and 2 of them are Division 4, more or less.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
32 team open knockout would have been great you would have had 16 games taking place over the country on weekend plenty of action then another 8 games the week after that then for quarter finals they could have gone 2 games saturday 2 games sunday.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 01:38:15 PM
What time will all ireland final throw in  i personally prefer 4 or 4.30
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 26, 2020, 01:41:37 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.
Look, Dublin have reached the semi final stage every year for the last 10 years or so. The only way a team like Dublin wonít reach the semi final is if they are caught on the hop.

In this system, if Dublin are caught on the hop, they are out.
In the super 8 system, Dublin can afford to be caught on the hop twice and still make the semi final stage.

Add to that, they may have more games than teams in other provinces.
The basis of your argument is that they are better than other teams in their province. Being better than other teams is not unfair advantage, it is the aim. As I said, the hows and whys of them being better than other teams can be debated but thatís another discussion.

I wouldn't agree.

Winter football, home and away fixtures.

If Dublin had a draw like the following:

Open draw:


R32: Cork (A)
R16: Donegal (A)
QF: Mayo (H)
SF: Monaghan (H)
F: Kerry (H)

An open draw means it is fair for everyone and with no prospect of a backdoor the imbalance of provincials is allowed fester.

The fairest way is an open draw, straight knockout. Div 1 and 2 teams seeded, Div 3 and 4 teams with home advantage.
Losers go into a B Championship which contains 16 teams and is an open draw, again straight knockout.
Winners go into the R16 where it's an open draw with the first team drawn getting home advantage.

That would be fair but it seems that the GAA is banking on a sold out Kerry Dublin final in December.

The fact that Galway get into the last 8 by beating Sligo while one of Tyrone and Donegal are gone at the first hurdle is an absolute joke.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 01:41:58 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin


It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.
Look, Dublin have reached the semi final stage every year for the last 10 years or so. The only way a team like Dublin wonít reach the semi final is if they are caught on the hop.

In this system, if Dublin are caught on the hop, they are out.
In the super 8 system, Dublin can afford to be caught on the hop twice and still make the semi final stage.

Add to that, they may have more games than teams in other provinces.
The basis of your argument is that they are better than other teams in their province. Being better than other teams is not unfair advantage, it is the aim. As I said, the hows and whys of them being better than other teams can be debated but thatís another discussion.

So all in, I canít see how this year will suit Dublin more than any other season. And I canít see why you left Connacht teams out seeing there are only a handful of them and 2 of them are Division 4, more or less.


if there was an open drawn national knockout dublin would be more likely to get a kerry or mayo or donegal before semi final stage.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: straightred on June 26, 2020, 01:44:46 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.
Look, Dublin have reached the semi final stage every year for the last 10 years or so. The only way a team like Dublin wonít reach the semi final is if they are caught on the hop.

In this system, if Dublin are caught on the hop, they are out.
In the super 8 system, Dublin can afford to be caught on the hop twice and still make the semi final stage.

Add to that, they may have more games than teams in other provinces.
The basis of your argument is that they are better than other teams in their province. Being better than other teams is not unfair advantage, it is the aim. As I said, the hows and whys of them being better than other teams can be debated but thatís another discussion.

I wouldn't agree.

Winter football, home and away fixtures.

If Dublin had a draw like the following:

Open draw:


R32: Cork (A)
R16: Donegal (A)
QF: Mayo (H)
SF: Monaghan (H)
F: Kerry (H)

An open draw means it is fair for everyone and with no prospect of a backdoor the imbalance of provincials is allowed fester.

The fairest way is an open draw, straight knockout. Div 1 and 2 teams seeded, Div 3 and 4 teams with home advantage.
Losers go into a B Championship which contains 16 teams and is an open draw, against straight knockout.
Winners go into the R16 where it's an open draw with the first team drawn getting home advantage.

That would be fair but it seems that the GAA is banking on a sold out Kerry Dublin final in December.

The fact that Galway get into the last 8 by beating Sligo while one of Tyrone and Donegal are gone at the first hurdle is an absolute joke.
Its even worse for Cavan and Monaghan who play in an Ulster preliminary round.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin


It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.
Look, Dublin have reached the semi final stage every year for the last 10 years or so. The only way a team like Dublin wonít reach the semi final is if they are caught on the hop.

In this system, if Dublin are caught on the hop, they are out.
In the super 8 system, Dublin can afford to be caught on the hop twice and still make the semi final stage.

Add to that, they may have more games than teams in other provinces.
The basis of your argument is that they are better than other teams in their province. Being better than other teams is not unfair advantage, it is the aim. As I said, the hows and whys of them being better than other teams can be debated but thatís another discussion.

So all in, I canít see how this year will suit Dublin more than any other season. And I canít see why you left Connacht teams out seeing there are only a handful of them and 2 of them are Division 4, more or less.


if there was an open drawn national knockout dublin would be more likely to get a kerry or mayo or donegal before semi final stage.
Or they get Antrim, Laois and Armagh while Kerry/Mayo and Galway/Donegal go at it in the 1st round and thereís still a yapping match.

Although, Iím not against an open draw.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 26, 2020, 01:52:01 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.
Look, Dublin have reached the semi final stage every year for the last 10 years or so. The only way a team like Dublin wonít reach the semi final is if they are caught on the hop.

In this system, if Dublin are caught on the hop, they are out.
In the super 8 system, Dublin can afford to be caught on the hop twice and still make the semi final stage.

Add to that, they may have more games than teams in other provinces.
The basis of your argument is that they are better than other teams in their province. Being better than other teams is not unfair advantage, it is the aim. As I said, the hows and whys of them being better than other teams can be debated but thatís another discussion.

I wouldn't agree.

Winter football, home and away fixtures.

If Dublin had a draw like the following:

Open draw:


R32: Cork (A)
R16: Donegal (A)
QF: Mayo (H)
SF: Monaghan (H)
F: Kerry (H)

An open draw means it is fair for everyone and with no prospect of a backdoor the imbalance of provincials is allowed fester.

The fairest way is an open draw, straight knockout. Div 1 and 2 teams seeded, Div 3 and 4 teams with home advantage.
Losers go into a B Championship which contains 16 teams and is an open draw, against straight knockout.
Winners go into the R16 where it's an open draw with the first team drawn getting home advantage.

That would be fair but it seems that the GAA is banking on a sold out Kerry Dublin final in December.

The fact that Galway get into the last 8 by beating Sligo while one of Tyrone and Donegal are gone at the first hurdle is an absolute joke.
Its even worse for Cavan and Monaghan who play in an Ulster preliminary round.

There's no doubt about it, the Ulster teams are being royally screwed here.

Ulster teams have been thoroughly discriminated by the Championship structure in the past 30 years. The qualifiers came in the 00s and offered some form of redress but it was only a partial form of it. I have long said that teams from the same province should not be allowed meet in the qualifiers, it should be done in such away that it has to be teams from different provinces facing off until such time as that is not practical and then it should be minimised to the lowest number of all province clashes.

But when the backdoor is taken out, it completely removes the small form of redress there was for the provincial system.

Down have probably came closer to winning an All Ireland in the past 20 years than they have winning an Ulster. Fermanagh and Derry have been in All Ireland semi finals in the past 20 years without winning an Ulster. The qualifiers was a partial bridge to giving these counties some form of redress from the perils of the Ulster championships.

I really hope the individual county boards come out strongly against the proposed plans.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 02:00:08 PM
leinster would not be that bad if their was no dublin lienster has eleven teams so you stiill have to win 3 games to become champions unlike connaght or munster where you some teams only need to win two games
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 26, 2020, 02:02:17 PM
leinster would not be that bad if their was no dublin lienster has eleven teams so you stiill have to win 3 games to become champions unlike connaght or munster where you some teams only need to win two games
Thatís kinda been my point.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: MayoBuck on June 26, 2020, 02:04:19 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.

Galway only need to win 4 games to capture the All Ireland and the first one of those is against a Div 4 side who they have beaten in Connacht the previous two years by 13 and 21 points.

Connacht were due to meet Ulster in the semi and Dublin due to meet Kerry in the other. Theyve switched this to make it Leinster v Ulster. Connacht and Ulster counties should be up in arms.

Don't think so. It was Connacht v Munster in 2011, 2014 and 2017 so it's due again this year.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 02:05:10 PM
The positive is the pressure of no second chances might make dublin nervous in leinster championship or could spur them on even more
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 02:07:12 PM
Wiki says it was meant to be connaght and ulster champions in group A Munster and Lienster champions in Group B
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Manning18 on June 26, 2020, 02:09:17 PM
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.

Galway only need to win 4 games to capture the All Ireland and the first one of those is against a Div 4 side who they have beaten in Connacht the previous two years by 13 and 21 points.

Connacht were due to meet Ulster in the semi and Dublin due to meet Kerry in the other. Theyve switched this to make it Leinster v Ulster. Connacht and Ulster counties should be up in arms.

Don't think so. It was Connacht v Munster in 2011, 2014 and 2017 so it's due again this year.

The system got changed in 2018. Connacht met Munster in 2018 S8s. Was in the fixture list that Connacht would meet Ulster this year. Ulster have now met Leinster in 2017, 2018, 2020. Ulster are being royally shafted
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: MayoBuck on June 26, 2020, 02:17:48 PM
The super 8s isn't happening this year. The old format always matched the u21/20 championship. Which had Connacht v Ulster in 2018, Connacht v Leinster last year.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2020, 02:28:40 PM
Good to see the leagues will reach its conclusion. The provincial championships seem a little too rushed when you consider there will be 3 free weekends i think between the provincial finals and All ireland final.

Still touch and go if these games will go ahead, not only the virus to worry about but also the weather. What about next year? Unlikely that NFL start at the end of January.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: seafoid on June 26, 2020, 04:40:49 PM
All-Ireland finals set for December 13th and 19th as GAA confirm 2020 schedule

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/all-ireland-finals-set-for-december-13th-and-19th-as-gaa-confirm-2020-schedule-1.4289406?mode=amp
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: rodney trotter on June 26, 2020, 06:41:53 PM
No Provincial club championship. Corofin won't get to aim for 4 in a row.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 26, 2020, 06:43:50 PM
Handy draw for the Dubs. Not that they need the help.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: seafoid on June 26, 2020, 07:10:06 PM
The state of the pitches in Nov/Dec.
Totally different to now.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 26, 2020, 08:33:32 PM
I hope there is strong resistance to this by the Ulster counties.

Was there strong resistance before qualifiers came into play in 2001? A return to the do or die provincial championship games especially Tyrone v Donegal, Roscommon v Mayo and Cork v Kerry and the Ulster, Connacht finals will be a nostalgia trip and something many players and supporters will be looking forward to.

Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: From the Bunker on June 26, 2020, 10:44:34 PM
Can't wait. There will be loads of flood light games! There will also be loads of flooded games!
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on June 26, 2020, 10:48:25 PM
The state of the pitches in Nov/Dec.
Totally different to now.

Sure they can play it anywhere there is a playable pitch, there will be no need for spectator accommodation.

But it isn't difficult to imagine some flare up of this disease, given that a lot of people seem to have given up any attempt to stop it. So you could be delayed a few weeks.

Are they going to stream these games?  People need to be able to watch at home, you can't  have people gathering in pubs and clubrooms.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 10:56:23 PM
if the provincials were even teams like four eights it be ok but i do not like the unbalanced structure
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 10:57:12 PM
The Novelty here is having championship games under lights
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 26, 2020, 11:02:02 PM
At least this is better than super 8s
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: clarshack on June 26, 2020, 11:11:09 PM
Tyrone and Donegal completely fcuked over in all this.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 26, 2020, 11:25:59 PM
Tyrone and Donegal completely fcuked over in all this.

Time for a seeded draw in Ulster?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on June 26, 2020, 11:28:52 PM
The Novelty here is having championship games under lights

For those us that get to see them.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: thewobbler on June 27, 2020, 07:43:33 AM
Tyrone and Donegal completely fcuked over in all this.

Yeah imagine. Two counties who havenít got close to winning an AI in 12 and 6 years respectively are the big losers?

Did it ever cross your mind that I order to win an AI, Dublin have to be beaten? Everything else is a moot point
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 27, 2020, 09:21:47 AM
Tyrone and Donegal completely fcuked over in all this.

Yeah imagine. Two counties who havenít got close to winning an AI in 12 and 6 years respectively are the big losers?

Did it ever cross your mind that I order to win an AI, Dublin have to be beaten? Everything else is a moot point

Quite a bizarre point to make when one of those counties (Donegal) are the only team to have beaten Dublin in Championship in the past 6 years.

Also bizarre when Tyrone and Donegal are 2 of just 5 teams who made All Ireland finals since 2011

Are you a little envious?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 27, 2020, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid link=topic=29673.msg1979164#msg1979164 da te=1593195006
The state of the pitches in Nov/Dec.
Totally different to now.
Croke Park, the Hyde and other places with newly laid pitches should be grand.
And of course Prenty's Balloon will be available ;)
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: thewobbler on June 27, 2020, 11:26:47 AM
Tyrone and Donegal completely fcuked over in all this.

Yeah imagine. Two counties who havenít got close to winning an AI in 12 and 6 years respectively are the big losers?

Did it ever cross your mind that I order to win an AI, Dublin have to be beaten? Everything else is a moot point

Quite a bizarre point to make when one of those counties (Donegal) are the only team to have beaten Dublin in Championship in the past 6 years.

Also bizarre when Tyrone and Donegal are 2 of just 5 teams who made All Ireland finals since 2011

Are you a little envious?

Not envious.

Curious as to why a championship draw could possibly be unfair on teams like Donegal and Tyrone, when on recent form they are also rans.


I donít care if the former beat Dublin once in the league, or the latter made a final a couple of years back. Neither has remotely looked like giving Dublin a game in the championship in the past 5 years. So whether they leave the championship in round 1 or the final makes no f**king odds.


(Donegal might have a  chance this year btw, and probably more so in a straight knockout format where killing Dublin once kills them for good. Tyrone have roughly the same chance of winning it as Leitrim).
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 27, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
If things was normal the super duper 8s would have started today.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 27, 2020, 03:10:09 PM
is all championship games on a saturday
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: straightred on June 27, 2020, 03:10:40 PM
Tyrone and Donegal completely fcuked over in all this.

Yeah imagine. Two counties who havenít got close to winning an AI in 12 and 6 years respectively are the big losers?

Did it ever cross your mind that I order to win an AI, Dublin have to be beaten? Everything else is a moot point

Quite a bizarre point to make when one of those counties (Donegal) are the only team to have beaten Dublin in Championship in the past 6 years.

Also bizarre when Tyrone and Donegal are 2 of just 5 teams who made All Ireland finals since 2011

Are you a little envious?

Not envious.

Curious as to why a championship draw could possibly be unfair on teams like Donegal and Tyrone, when on recent form they are also rans.


I donít care if the former beat Dublin once in the league, or the latter made a final a couple of years back. Neither has remotely looked like giving Dublin a game in the championship in the past 5 years. So whether they leave the championship in round 1 or the final makes no f**king odds.


(Donegal might have a  chance this year btw, and probably more so in a straight knockout format where killing Dublin once kills them for good. Tyrone have roughly the same chance of winning it as Leitrim).
Whether or not they have a chance to win the thing has nothing to do with the fairness and equity of the draw. In theory Donegal and Tyrone could have got each other in an open draw anyway. They could win an AI in 5 games - same as Dublin so that's okay too. My issue is that some counties that have to play 6 games to win an AI - cavan, monaghan and the lesinter teams that have to play an extra game while Munster and Connaught teams can win an AI in 4. That is dumb no matter how you look at it
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 27, 2020, 03:11:54 PM
Every Round of the champiosnhip should just be as important as the final i dont get this thing about we need to have the two best teams in peoples opunions in the final its good to have cracking games in the early rounds
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: An Watcher on June 27, 2020, 03:20:51 PM
Yeah so let's have the dubs up against Monaghan on a cold blustery day in Clones. Everyones happy
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: seafoid on June 27, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
I think they gave too much time to the clubs and underestimated the state of pitches in Nov/Dec.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
I think they gave too much time to the clubs and underestimated the state of pitches in Nov/Dec.

Yes. Sure who gives a shite about the clubs. ::)
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on June 27, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
I think they gave too much time to the clubs and underestimated the state of pitches in Nov/Dec.

Can debate clubs didn't get enough time as there is no room for a provincial and All Ireland series at club level this year.


Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 04:15:03 PM
is all championship games on a saturday

No they are looking to play them under lights at 6pm in Croke every Friday,  possibly midweek games in Killarney for the Ulster teams
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2020, 09:46:41 PM
Word is that Jack Mac has stepped down from the Dublin panel ...  :(
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Boycey on June 27, 2020, 10:20:30 PM
Word is that Jack Mac has stepped down from the Dublin panel ...  :(

Aye, read that headline on Indo App it's a premium story so ya have to pay to access it.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 27, 2020, 10:35:14 PM
The article says that McCaffrey stepping away was nothing to do with what has happened with Covid  and hinting at it being a retirement but he had just returned to the Dublin panel for the league and had played in the last game against Tyrone and would almost certainly had been available for Championship.

I'd say he's looking at the farce of this Championship and uncertainty over it and giving it a miss but will return for 2021.

He's not as big a loss for a muddy winter football football Championship as he would be on the solid turf in the summer months.

Does put a little more pressure on Farrell though.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2020, 10:40:23 PM
Word is that Jack Mac has stepped down from the Dublin panel ...  :(

Aye, read that headline on Indo App it's a premium story so ya have to pay to access it.


https://twitter.com/Hill16Army/status/1276969119116656643
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on June 27, 2020, 11:57:09 PM
The article says that McCaffrey stepping away was nothing to do with what has happened with Covid  and hinting at it being a retirement but he had just returned to the Dublin panel for the league and had played in the last game against Tyrone and would almost certainly had been available for Championship.

I'd say he's looking at the farce of this Championship and uncertainty over it and giving it a miss but will return for 2021.

He's not as big a loss for a muddy winter football football Championship as he would be on the solid turf in the summer months.

Does put a little more pressure on Farrell though.

Retiring at 26? He opted out before and I doubt the current format had much to do about his decision.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: MayoBuck on June 28, 2020, 12:30:09 AM
McCaffrey was on the second captains podcast a couple of weeks after the lockdown started and still seemed enthusiastic for inter county football then. Said he was training away individually to be ready for its return.

I'd say he'll be back next year.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: macdanger2 on June 28, 2020, 12:36:12 AM
Word is that Jack Mac has stepped down from the Dublin panel ...  :(

Much as I'd like to see Dublin beaten, it'd be sad not to see Jack Mc playing, he's a super player and seems like a decent fella
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 28, 2020, 07:40:47 AM
The article says that McCaffrey stepping away was nothing to do with what has happened with Covid  and hinting at it being a retirement but he had just returned to the Dublin panel for the league and had played in the last game against Tyrone and would almost certainly had been available for Championship.

I'd say he's looking at the farce of this Championship and uncertainty over it and giving it a miss but will return for 2021.

He's not as big a loss for a muddy winter football football Championship as he would be on the solid turf in the summer months.

Does put a little more pressure on Farrell though.

Most if not all Dublin games will be played in croke park if it goes ahead. The weather might be an issue but thereíll be no issue over the surface - itíll still be top class.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on June 28, 2020, 08:44:13 AM
Dublin will have Croke Park, but no Hill.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 28, 2020, 09:30:36 AM
There was talk of putting 2 or 3, 000 seats on the Hill.
Tom Ryan reported yesterday saying they're thinking of 30k max so you can imagine how limited attendances at other grounds will be.
Connacht and Ulster Councils probably move their Finals and maybe more to Croke Park.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Angelo on June 28, 2020, 11:11:48 AM
The article says that McCaffrey stepping away was nothing to do with what has happened with Covid  and hinting at it being a retirement but he had just returned to the Dublin panel for the league and had played in the last game against Tyrone and would almost certainly had been available for Championship.

I'd say he's looking at the farce of this Championship and uncertainty over it and giving it a miss but will return for 2021.

He's not as big a loss for a muddy winter football football Championship as he would be on the solid turf in the summer months.

Does put a little more pressure on Farrell though.

Most if not all Dublin games will be played in croke park if it goes ahead. The weather might be an issue but thereíll be no issue over the surface - itíll still be top class.

Yeah but even greas, damp conditions as such benefit other players over McCaffrey.

We've never really seen games at Croke Park around Nov/Dec time before. It's a million miles better than what the conditions would be on a provincial ground at that time but it's still different to optimum summer conditions.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: 6th sam on June 28, 2020, 11:32:37 AM
Club games have been played in November /December for years. NFL games used to be played pre-Christmas . State of pitches likely a non-issue. What would be more of a concern is the infection risk of mass gatherings, that would have to be risk assessed closer to the time, depending on Covid status at that time
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: sid waddell on June 28, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
The article says that McCaffrey stepping away was nothing to do with what has happened with Covid  and hinting at it being a retirement but he had just returned to the Dublin panel for the league and had played in the last game against Tyrone and would almost certainly had been available for Championship.

I'd say he's looking at the farce of this Championship and uncertainty over it and giving it a miss but will return for 2021.

He's not as big a loss for a muddy winter football football Championship as he would be on the solid turf in the summer months.

Does put a little more pressure on Farrell though.

Most if not all Dublin games will be played in croke park if it goes ahead. The weather might be an issue but thereíll be no issue over the surface - itíll still be top class.

Yeah but even greas, damp conditions as such benefit other players over McCaffrey.

We've never really seen games at Croke Park around Nov/Dec time before. It's a million miles better than what the conditions would be on a provincial ground at that time but it's still different to optimum summer conditions.
The months the NFL is played in are generally the worst time for pitches as you're coming off the back of several winter months, whereas in November/December you're coming off the back of the Autumn.

We've seen games at the new Croke Park in January, February and March for well over a decade (including association football and rugby) and it doesn't make much difference to the pitch.

There have also been several International Rules, association football and rugby internationals played at Croke Park in November.

Dublin are well used to winter conditions at Croke Park, they play in them every year.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 28, 2020, 12:39:10 PM
David Gough says he won't be doing any refereeing Club or County while Social distancing remains.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: pbat on June 28, 2020, 01:19:19 PM
I think its time David Gough is dropped of the refereeing panel for good, its all about David Gough. Not just on this but on many other issues.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: BennyCake on June 28, 2020, 01:45:36 PM
I think its time David Gough is dropped of the refereeing panel for good, its all about David Gough. Not just on this but on many other issues.

Thatís your chance of your own statue fecked now!
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on June 28, 2020, 02:29:14 PM
There was talk of putting 2 or 3, 000 seats on the Hill.
Tom Ryan reported yesterday saying they're thinking of 30k max so you can imagine how limited attendances at other grounds will be.
Connacht and Ulster Councils probably move their Finals and maybe more to Croke Park.
It's looking like most games will be moved to Croke Park in that situation. John Horan previously said 42,000 could be the capacity come November I'd wonder why its down to 30,000 max now.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 28, 2020, 02:44:45 PM
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"So I don't understand how I can safely be in a confined space with 30-plus people on a football field and be socially distant. Until that changes I won't be coming back."

Every right to make his own decision but would you describe being outdoors on a GAA field as a confined area? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. Probably far more likely picking up something going to your local supermarket but maybe he's avoiding them as well. But sure best of luck to him.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 28, 2020, 02:51:03 PM
They've probably looked at Croke Park accomodation in more detail since JH was saying that back in early May.

I expect the Ros/ Rhubarbs and the Connacht Final to be in Croker.
3 of the 4 Leinster Hurling games, all Dublin football games plus the other Leibster Semi.
Probably Cavan/Monaghan and Tyrone/Donegal and the Final.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: tippabu on June 28, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
They've probably looked at Croke Park accomodation in more detail since JH was saying that back in early May.

I expect the Ros/ Rhubarbs and the Connacht Final to be in Croker.
3 of the 4 Leinster Hurling games, all Dublin football games plus the other Leibster Semi.
Probably Cavan/Monaghan and Tyrone/Donegal and the Final.

Firstly I cant wait to get back to going to games and having GAA back before it sounds like a moan.

I see all these bits about how many they can fit in with social distaning etc. Has it been addressed yet what happens at half time and the full time whistle when everyone leaves at the same time?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on June 28, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
They've probably looked at Croke Park accomodation in more detail since JH was saying that back in early May.

I expect the Ros/ Rhubarbs and the Connacht Final to be in Croker.
3 of the 4 Leinster Hurling games, all Dublin football games plus the other Leibster Semi.
Probably Cavan/Monaghan and Tyrone/Donegal and the Final.

Firstly I cant wait to get back to going to games and having GAA back before it sounds like a moan.

I see all these bits about how many they can fit in with social distaning etc. Has it been addressed yet what happens at half time and the full time whistle when everyone leaves at the same time?

The obvious thing is to only allow one block leave at a time over a 10-15 minute period. I would suggest tickets with seat numbers and anyone leaving their seat and rushing for the exit should not get a ticket again and not only while Covid continues.

I would have thought that attendances would have to be greatly reduced to make this work.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 28, 2020, 04:23:44 PM
Pat Spillane feels the GAA should consider removing the possibility of penalties from deciding Championship games later this year and introduce a golden score.

ďA fella misses a penalty, an individual has just cost his county the All-Ireland title. I think the fairer system is, yes extra-time, but then golden score, first team to score wins. Collective responsibility in victory, collective responsibility in defeat. To lose an All-Ireland final with a missed penalty? I wouldnít like to be that player heading back to the county."
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on June 28, 2020, 04:35:25 PM
Pat Spillane feels the GAA should consider removing the possibility of penalties from deciding Championship games later this year and introduce a golden score.

ďA fella misses a penalty, an individual has just cost his county the All-Ireland title. I think the fairer system is, yes extra-time, but then golden score, first team to score wins. Collective responsibility in victory, collective responsibility in defeat. To lose an All-Ireland final with a missed penalty? I wouldnít like to be that player heading back to the county."

Sometimes Spillane is correct.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: thewobbler on June 28, 2020, 04:40:52 PM
Pat Spillane feels the GAA should consider removing the possibility of penalties from deciding Championship games later this year and introduce a golden score.

ďA fella misses a penalty, an individual has just cost his county the All-Ireland title. I think the fairer system is, yes extra-time, but then golden score, first team to score wins. Collective responsibility in victory, collective responsibility in defeat. To lose an All-Ireland final with a missed penalty? I wouldnít like to be that player heading back to the county."

Sometimes Spillane is correct.

Iíd much prefer ďnext score winsĒ myself, but it doesnít alleviate the situation Spillane is describing. Players are going to regularly miss the target under such conditions, and there will be some dreadful misses, and the ire of spectators will follow.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: BennyCake on June 28, 2020, 04:43:40 PM
They've probably looked at Croke Park accomodation in more detail since JH was saying that back in early May.

I expect the Ros/ Rhubarbs and the Connacht Final to be in Croker.
3 of the 4 Leinster Hurling games, all Dublin football games plus the other Leibster Semi.
Probably Cavan/Monaghan and Tyrone/Donegal and the Final.

Firstly I cant wait to get back to going to games and having GAA back before it sounds like a moan.

I see all these bits about how many they can fit in with social distaning etc. Has it been addressed yet what happens at half time and the full time whistle when everyone leaves at the same time?

Or if there is an emergency at the ground?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: tippabu on June 28, 2020, 07:02:30 PM
Pat Spillane feels the GAA should consider removing the possibility of penalties from deciding Championship games later this year and introduce a golden score.

ďA fella misses a penalty, an individual has just cost his county the All-Ireland title. I think the fairer system is, yes extra-time, but then golden score, first team to score wins. Collective responsibility in victory, collective responsibility in defeat. To lose an All-Ireland final with a missed penalty? I wouldnít like to be that player heading back to the county."

Sometimes Spillane is correct.

Iíd much prefer ďnext score winsĒ myself, but it doesnít alleviate the situation Spillane is describing. Players are going to regularly miss the target under such conditions, and there will be some dreadful misses, and the ire of spectators will follow.

Added to that it potentially puts the winning and losing in a referees hands. Could you imagine losing an All Ireland to a very soft free or more than likely the ref not wanting to be the deciding factor and not giving a blatant free. Granted this could happen in the last moments of normal time too but in a golden score situation it would be magnified much more
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 28, 2020, 07:26:17 PM
Itíd be a ballix if you were playing into the hurricane.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Jim Bob on June 28, 2020, 07:33:34 PM
Pat Spillane feels the GAA should consider removing the possibility of penalties from deciding Championship games later this year and introduce a golden score.

ďA fella misses a penalty, an individual has just cost his county the All-Ireland title. I think the fairer system is, yes extra-time, but then golden score, first team to score wins. Collective responsibility in victory, collective responsibility in defeat. To lose an All-Ireland final with a missed penalty? I wouldnít like to be that player heading back to the county."

Sometimes Spillane is correct.

Iíd much prefer ďnext score winsĒ myself, but it doesnít alleviate the situation Spillane is describing. Players are going to regularly miss the target under such conditions, and there will be some dreadful misses, and the ire of spectators will follow.

Added to that it potentially puts the winning and losing in a referees hands. Could you imagine losing an All Ireland to a very soft free or more than likely the ref not wanting to be the deciding factor and not giving a blatant free. Granted this could happen in the last moments of normal time too but in a golden score situation it would be magnified much more

Sure thatís the way it has always been..
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 28, 2020, 10:07:45 PM
How about  if after normal extra time  its still even you have a first team to 2 or 3  points
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 28, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
i am seriously looking forward to an all ireland final on a dark december afternoon/evening
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 28, 2020, 10:12:44 PM
Anyone thnk they could have still played the provincial club and all ireland club championships maybe they could scrap mckenna cup etc and resume them after christmas play final on st patricks day again.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2020, 10:14:43 PM
i am seriously looking forward to an all ireland final on a dark december afternoon/evening

Lucky for you it's a Saturday so you can go on the rip eh? :D
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 28, 2020, 10:19:54 PM
not really a big drinker but for those that want to go on the rip it be great ill be watching in my home with a fire on
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 28, 2020, 10:21:25 PM
Its the saturday before Christmas too so dublin should be buzzing if its back to normal by then
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 28, 2020, 10:22:08 PM
If these knockout games are a succes hopefully it might make the gaa get rid of the super 8 but i wont hold my breath.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: BennyCake on June 28, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
If these knockout games are a succes hopefully it might make the gaa get rid of the super 8 but i wont hold my breath.

Not a chance in hell theyíll kill their super 8 cash cow.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 28, 2020, 11:56:00 PM
I'd say the losers of Tyrone/Donegal and Ros/Mayowestros will be awful excited about turning the clock back to 2000.

Is Eire90 related to Smurfy?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2020, 12:01:51 AM
I'd say the losers of Tyrone/Donegal and Ros/Mayowestros will be awful excited about turning the clock back to 2000.

Is Eire90 related to Smurfy?

This really has to boil down to whether their chances of winning an AI are improved or reduced by straight knockout? As Iím assuming that theyíre all title-driven enough to assess that losing in the first round or the semi final doesnít change the assessment of their season by much.

Iíd argue all day and night that the only team who profits from a second bite of the cherry is the best team in the country. It afford them an off day, before resuming the status quo. Thatís not Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo or Roscommon.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2020, 07:52:48 AM
If these knockout games are a succes hopefully it might make the gaa get rid of the super 8 but i wont hold my breath.
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Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 29, 2020, 09:32:11 AM
I'd say the losers of Tyrone/Donegal and Ros/Mayowestros will be awful excited about turning the clock back to 2000.

Is Eire90 related to Smurfy?

This really has to boil down to whether their chances of winning an AI are improved or reduced by straight knockout? As Iím assuming that theyíre all title-driven enough to assess that losing in the first round or the semi final doesnít change the assessment of their season by much.

Iíd argue all day and night that the only team who profits from a second bite of the cherry is the best team in the country. It afford them an off day, before resuming the status quo. Thatís not Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo or Roscommon.

Plus it's only 2-3 months until start of the 2021 season, so it won't be the same deflation as losing by a point at the height of summer when you know you have have a good team.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 29, 2020, 11:40:47 AM
I have to agree with Pateen for once....
Once it was decided to go knock out they should have gone with a 32 County draw.
Would have brought a but if fairness to it.
Anyway the die is cast so it's all up to the Covid now.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: the goal was on on June 29, 2020, 01:34:50 PM
For fairness it should have been an open draw. Galway 2 games to get to semi, monaghan 4. Where is fairness in that. Total joke and wouldnt be accepted in any other competitive sport. Problem is the provincial councils have too much say and they don't give one hoot about fairness only ££££'s
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 29, 2020, 01:48:59 PM
Seems Galway have won Connacht  already?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 29, 2020, 02:03:49 PM
Seems Galway have won Connacht  already?
Nobody said that.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 29, 2020, 02:16:23 PM
Seems Galway have won Connacht  already?

After the last few years how anyone could assume this is beyond me, Mayo haven't even been in a Connacht final since 2015 - nevermind winning it - and have been the best team in the province during that time, they are way overdue a win. Galway had two shots at making the Super 8s playing both of the main Connacht rivals and were comprehensively beaten both times. Roscommon have zero fear of Galway.
Connacht is competitive in terms of that I wouldn't be surprised to see any of Roscommon, Mayo or Galway in the All Ireland semi-final, but Galway are bookies faves due to the advantage of not having to beat both Mayo and Roscommon en route.

For fairness it should have been an open draw. Galway 2 games to get to semi, monaghan 4. Where is fairness in that. Total joke and wouldnt be accepted in any other competitive sport. Problem is the provincial councils have too much say and they don't give one hoot about fairness only ££££'s
There is no fairness in the AI structures but this has been the case for the entirety of the inter county game, Ulster teams are shafted the most under this format no doubt whatsoever about that, but Leinster and Munster is a complete joke, Dubs are going for 10 in a row, Kerry 8. At least there is some competition in the west, you cannot say with any certainty that Galway will get out of the province but the numbers game is what it is unless the provinces are abandoned.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 02:20:43 PM
I have to agree with Pateen for once....
Once it was decided to go knock out they should have gone with a 32 County draw.
Would have brought a but if fairness to it.
Anyway the die is cast so it's all up to the Covid now.

Yes I agree. Spillane said similar last night. Although I doubt he ever called for an open draw when he was winning handy AIs as a player. He didnít give a shit about Down or Armagh having to win 4 tough games to win Ulster back then.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: hardstation on June 29, 2020, 02:33:53 PM
Seems Galway have won Connacht  already?

After the last few years how anyone could assume this is beyond me,
Nobody has done this.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 29, 2020, 02:46:22 PM
Word is that Jack Mac has stepped down from the Dublin panel ...  :(

Some great moments from Jack Mac .....

https://m.facebook.com/Hill16ArmyDublin/videos/2613767895540279/?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FHill16ArmyDublin%2Fvideos%2F2613767895540279%2F&_rdr
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 29, 2020, 03:36:03 PM
the only reason leinster seen negative is cause of Dublin but you still need to to win at least 3 games to win it unlike Munster where kerry need to win two
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 29, 2020, 03:38:09 PM
they'll be a lot of moaning if tyrone get knocked out first game
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 29, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
Yes provincials are seen as too precious for some reason
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: rodney trotter on June 29, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
You seem to be chatting away to yourself there
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 29, 2020, 04:04:48 PM
If all Connacht championship games are to be played in Croke Park it has to be advantage Mayo. Only Dublin are more use to that venue and have a better record in the last 8 or 9 years.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: rodney trotter on June 29, 2020, 04:12:52 PM
Every County should have flood lit grounds. Connacht GAA built a Centre of excellence in Mayo and are currently building a indoor 3g pitch. The largest indoor pitch in Europe.  Might be of use in Winter,but could have used the money for the County grounds in the province
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 29, 2020, 05:30:00 PM
whats the reason of playing connaught championship games in croke park
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 29, 2020, 05:32:03 PM
So is their no floodlights in any ground in connaught
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on June 29, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
So is their no floodlights in any ground in connaught

Connacht and MacHale Park has floodlights.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 29, 2020, 05:39:08 PM
Hurling format looks terrible should have took top 16 teams in the country and and had a knockout
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Rossfan on June 29, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
whats the reason of playing connaught championship games in croke park
It's  CONNACHT.
If only single seats* are being used and subject to social distancing you're talking about very small capacities
Sligo and Leitrim about 400 each
Hyde 1200
Pearse 2200
McHale might get to 4,000.

* as opposed to concrete benches.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: From the Bunker on June 29, 2020, 06:57:42 PM
So is their no floodlights in any ground in connaught

Connacht and MacHale Park has floodlights.


Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Orior on June 29, 2020, 09:15:36 PM
whats the reason of playing connaught championship games in croke park

Maybe to inject money into the economy, and fill the hotels and bars in Ńtha Cliath.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: macdanger2 on June 29, 2020, 10:12:20 PM
I have to agree with Pateen for once....
Once it was decided to go knock out they should have gone with a 32 County draw.
Would have brought a but if fairness to it.
Anyway the die is cast so it's all up to the Covid now.

Yes I agree. Spillane said similar last night. Although I doubt he ever called for an open draw when he was winning handy AIs as a player. He didnít give a shit about Down or Armagh having to win 4 tough games to win Ulster back then.

You'll notice Spillane waited until AFTER the announcement to say anything about it, he wasn't foolish enough to come out beforehand
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on June 29, 2020, 10:21:37 PM
Was the ulster Final played in croke park once i remember and was their much opposition to it playing ulster final in croke park is like playing champions league final in new york.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: BennyCake on June 29, 2020, 10:23:49 PM
Was the ulster Final played in croke park once i remember and was their much opposition to it playing ulster final in croke park is like playing champions league final in new york.

Yes, from 2004-06. Where were you that you donít remember that?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on June 29, 2020, 11:24:29 PM
He was likely in nappies.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on July 01, 2020, 05:38:59 PM
Provincial inbalanced is not as bad in club championships as teams have to win county to make it into provincial
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on July 01, 2020, 05:42:05 PM
If connacht and munster had round robin with top 2 going into a final or 2 and 3 playing a semi final before meeting top team in a final it would balance it better but their is no time to do that well at least the gaa see it that way.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on July 01, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
They could have done a 5 team round robin in both have the two bottom teams in each province according to league positions play a qualifier
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Itchy on July 04, 2020, 05:26:49 PM
Anyone see offtheballs survey of county boards to see what teams have been training. Guess which counties refused to answer or said no comment (meaning of course they were training)
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on July 04, 2020, 05:42:11 PM
Anyone see offtheballs survey of county boards to see what teams have been training. Guess which counties refused to answer or said no comment (meaning of course they were training)

Been talked about here

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29611.1050
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on July 06, 2020, 03:42:32 PM
gaa missed a golden opportunity for an open knockout
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on July 06, 2020, 03:45:42 PM
GAA said there will be some unfamiliar throw in times i think they possibly mean 12pm games i dont see them doing 8pm or 9pm games
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: galwayman on July 06, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
GAA said there will be some unfamiliar throw in times i think they possibly mean 12pm games i dont see them doing 8pm or 9pm games
Probably so that they can televise as many games as possible theyíll stagger the throw in times throughout the day?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: larryin89 on July 09, 2020, 08:47:46 PM
County football without big crowds will be a complete flop .
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: seafoid on July 09, 2020, 09:40:23 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it ran into next year.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Blowitupref on July 10, 2020, 03:32:14 PM
Thoughts on Dean Rocks view on the 2020 championship?

Quote
"It is what it's going to be, and the best team ultimately will win the All-Ireland. There can't be any excuses for any team. It's a level playing field.
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: the goal was on on July 10, 2020, 04:00:48 PM
a level playing field?!! So do all teams have to play same amount of games to win it?
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: From the Bunker on July 10, 2020, 04:29:24 PM
Thoughts on Dean Rocks view on the 2020 championship?

Quote
"It is what it's going to be, and the best team ultimately will win the All-Ireland. There can't be any excuses for any team. It's a level playing field.


Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: Eire90 on July 10, 2020, 07:11:52 PM
joe brolly speaks the truth all ireland should always be knockout i agree but if they do not scrap the super 8 and go back to old backdoor system give provincial champions  home advantage
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: From the Bunker on July 10, 2020, 08:33:13 PM
County football without big crowds will be a complete flop .

Like a lot of sports, once you take away the crowds, you take away the buzz!

Often large crowds can hide the quality of games!
Title: Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
Post by: seafoid on July 11, 2020, 07:41:30 AM
Thoughts on Dean Rocks view on the 2020 championship?

Quote
"It is what it's going to be, and the best team ultimately will win the All-Ireland. There can't be any excuses for any team. It's a level playing field.




A level playing field apart from the money

https://youtu.be/qMxX-QOV9tI