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Title: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Franko on March 25, 2020, 11:44:08 AM
This will be a useful reference in a few months time when we need to remember who not to touch with a barge pole;

I'll start;

Virgin Airlines
Wetherspoons
Sports Direct
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 25, 2020, 11:55:52 AM
This will be a useful reference in a few months time when we need to remember who not to touch with a barge pole;

I'll start;

Virgin Airlines
Wetherspoons
Sports Direct

Winemark
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on March 25, 2020, 12:03:21 PM
A separate thread for businesses that need commended for how they have reacted to this also. 

I will 100% changing my perception on using local businesses after we get through this, as they are the ones bending over backwards to sort people out.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Solo_run on March 25, 2020, 12:05:47 PM
Halfords told staff they would close the shops and staff would be paid. 48 hours later they are planning on opening their stores again.

Think it might have been best to give the companies who are making an effort more publicity rather than waste of time on these clowns.

The guy at Gtech has created a ventilator within a week that is easy to build and cost effective. They have switched from making vaccum cleaners to ventilators. The company owner has said they will make the design public so other companies can produce them.

O'Neills have started making scrubs to protect NHS staff from Coronavirus.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: five points on March 25, 2020, 12:11:34 PM
Worth noting that O'Neills were being absolutely hammered last week for ceasing sports goods production. Give these companies a chance. Everyone is trying to manage an unprecedented situation as best they can.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: delgany on March 25, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Easyjet shareholder stelios ,after receiving his £60 million bonus , recommended that the board close up and sack staff.
Then had the brazen cheek to ask for a government bailout. The govt gave them the two fingers last night .what a cnut@
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Solo_run on March 25, 2020, 12:45:56 PM
Gordon Ramsey has just sacked 500 staff with a months pay but no guarantee they will get their jobs back.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: JohnDenver on March 25, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
Randox - selling the testing kits at £120 a pop. Wonder what the profit margins are on them?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: imtommygunn on March 25, 2020, 01:27:30 PM
They have a fairly dubious reputation as well. (More from the employer perspective than anything).

If they can make them where else can?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 25, 2020, 01:54:31 PM
Worth noting that O'Neills were being absolutely hammered last week for ceasing sports goods production. Give these companies a chance. Everyone is trying to manage an unprecedented situation as best they can.

Rightly so to be honest, they couldn't wait to get rid of staff and they haven't needed the money in years truth be told.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: clarshack on March 25, 2020, 01:58:28 PM
Moy Park
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: tbrick18 on March 25, 2020, 02:00:19 PM
They have a fairly dubious reputation as well. (More from the employer perspective than anything).

If they can make them where else can?

Almac possibly?

I was told the Randox test is about £12, but it is bundled with 10 other tests and you have to buy the bundle.
Not sure how true that is.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: delgany on March 25, 2020, 02:15:45 PM
They have a fairly dubious reputation as well. (More from the employer perspective than anything).

If they can make them where else can?

Almac possibly?

I was told the Randox test is about £12, but it is bundled with 10 other tests and you have to buy the bundle.
Not sure how true that is.
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That was questioned by Stephen Nolan , spokesperson wouldnt concede that only one tested was needed .@ £12 only. Nolan pressed him without success.£120 or do one !
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: delgany on March 25, 2020, 02:17:11 PM
Guinness stepping up to provide something - sanitizer maybe ?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: red hander on March 25, 2020, 02:20:58 PM
Gordon Ramsey has just sacked 500 staff with a months pay but no guarantee they will get their jobs back.

To be fair, he's acted like a cnut his whole life, not just during coronavirus crisis.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: five points on March 25, 2020, 02:21:33 PM
Guinness stepping up to provide something - sanitizer maybe ?

The plastic paddies have the best PR brains money can buy.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 25, 2020, 02:21:52 PM
Halfords told staff they would close the shops and staff would be paid. 48 hours later they are planning on opening their stores again.



Think they are getting around that due to the Bike thing, I mean its probably the best thing you can do right now exercise wise presumably?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: tbrick18 on March 25, 2020, 02:24:18 PM
They have a fairly dubious reputation as well. (More from the employer perspective than anything).

If they can make them where else can?

Almac possibly?

I was told the Randox test is about £12, but it is bundled with 10 other tests and you have to buy the bundle.
Not sure how true that is.
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That was questioned by Stephen Nolan , spokesperson wouldnt concede that only one tested was needed .@ £12 only. Nolan pressed him without success.£120 or do one !

Ah Mr Nolan.
No guarantee that it's true then.....but given the reputation of Randox, I wouldn't rule it out.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: imtommygunn on March 25, 2020, 02:37:33 PM
They have a really bad rep. That is probably consistent with the rep lol.

If this is the case someone should step in I'd have thought but then you never know what is true these days.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: JohnDenver on March 25, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
Guinness stepping up to provide something - sanitizer maybe ?

I think brewdog actually have a santizer out since last week.

https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1240208876408123393?s=20 (https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1240208876408123393?s=20)
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: square_ball on March 25, 2020, 03:24:43 PM
Worth noting that O'Neills were being absolutely hammered last week for ceasing sports goods production. Give these companies a chance. Everyone is trying to manage an unprecedented situation as best they can.

Rightly so to be honest, they couldn't wait to get rid of staff and they haven't needed the money in years truth be told.

Kieran Kennedy didn’t wake up last week and decide on the spur of the moment to get rid of 750 staff. They’d a wage bill of £13m in 2018 perhaps it’s even more now. That’s a lot to sustain if you have nothing coming into the bank or an order book showing sweet FA.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on March 25, 2020, 03:27:14 PM
Guinness stepping up to provide something - sanitizer maybe ?

I think brewdog actually have a santizer out since last week.

https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1240208876408123393?s=20 (https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1240208876408123393?s=20)

They also let all their Dublin staff go
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: armaghniac on March 25, 2020, 03:27:56 PM
Halfords told staff they would close the shops and staff would be paid. 48 hours later they are planning on opening their stores again.



Think they are getting around that due to the Bike thing, I mean its probably the best thing you can do right now exercise wise presumably?

Motor repairers and suppliers can stay open. Someone in an important job might need a bulb, for instance.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: marty34 on March 25, 2020, 03:28:43 PM
I'd say we'll all be using the likes of the cheap airlines again after a few months - very noble at the start with good intentions but people, as always, will have short memories where the cash is concerned.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: gallsman on March 25, 2020, 03:39:13 PM
I'd say we'll all be using the likes of the cheap airlines again after a few months - very noble at the start with good intentions but people, as always, will have short memories where the cash is concerned.

Depends what airlines are actually left at the end of it.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: marty34 on March 25, 2020, 03:44:37 PM
I'd say we'll all be using the likes of the cheap airlines again after a few months - very noble at the start with good intentions but people, as always, will have short memories where the cash is concerned.

Depends what airlines are actually left at the end of it.

That's a valid point too Gallsman.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 25, 2020, 03:49:37 PM
Worth noting that O'Neills were being absolutely hammered last week for ceasing sports goods production. Give these companies a chance. Everyone is trying to manage an unprecedented situation as best they can.

Rightly so to be honest, they couldn't wait to get rid of staff and they haven't needed the money in years truth be told.

Kieran Kennedy didn’t wake up last week and decide on the spur of the moment to get rid of 750 staff. They’d a wage bill of £13m in 2018 perhaps it’s even more now. That’s a lot to sustain if you have nothing coming into the bank or an order book showing sweet FA.

Fair point, but you would imagine they'll be flying online with football orders, home training equipment and the likes. Just seemed like a very quick step, to a week later announce they could suddenly do medical stuff.

Wouldn't go so far as to label them cnuts...but yeah, they could have kept people on for a few weeks to see what would / could have happened.

Hopefully they can get the employment numbers back up in that area. I see they are doing an online sale at moment, anything to stimulate growth.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: WT4E on March 25, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Guinness stepping up to provide something - sanitizer maybe ?

I think brewdog actually have a santizer out since last week.

https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1240208876408123393?s=20 (https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1240208876408123393?s=20)

They also let all their Dublin staff go

Who Brewdog? Do they have staff in Dublin?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Fionntamhnach on March 25, 2020, 03:53:33 PM
A separate thread for businesses that need commended for how they have reacted to this also.

And on that note...

Pornhub Premium Becomes Free for All to Make You Stay at Home

https://uk.pcmag.com/healthandfitness/125392/pornhub-premium-becomes-free-for-all-to-make-you-stay-at-home
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 25, 2020, 03:58:01 PM
Guinness stepping up to provide something - sanitizer maybe ?

I think brewdog actually have a santizer out since last week.

https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1240208876408123393?s=20 (https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1240208876408123393?s=20)

They also let all their Dublin staff go

Who Brewdog? Do they have staff in Dublin?

They have a bar down at Capital Dock.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: square_ball on March 25, 2020, 04:04:26 PM
Worth noting that O'Neills were being absolutely hammered last week for ceasing sports goods production. Give these companies a chance. Everyone is trying to manage an unprecedented situation as best they can.

Rightly so to be honest, they couldn't wait to get rid of staff and they haven't needed the money in years truth be told.

Kieran Kennedy didn’t wake up last week and decide on the spur of the moment to get rid of 750 staff. They’d a wage bill of £13m in 2018 perhaps it’s even more now. That’s a lot to sustain if you have nothing coming into the bank or an order book showing sweet FA.

Fair point, but you would imagine they'll be flying online with football orders, home training equipment and the likes. Just seemed like a very quick step, to a week later announce they could suddenly do medical stuff.

Wouldn't go so far as to label them cnuts...but yeah, they could have kept people on for a few weeks to see what would / could have happened.

Hopefully they can get the employment numbers back up in that area. I see they are doing an online sale at moment, anything to stimulate growth.

Yeah fair point possibly could have had. I’m sure county and clubs would still have been ordering kits up to a short time ago. I just don’t think they are up with the likes of Sports Direct and Whetherspoons levels.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: WT4E on March 25, 2020, 04:18:06 PM
Guinness stepping up to provide something - sanitizer maybe ?

https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2020/03/diageo-pledges-8m-bottles-of-hand-sanitiser-for-healthcare-workers/

https://lovebelfast.co.uk/guinness-covid-19/

In fairness they have been doing a good bit and putting their hands in there pockets too.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 25, 2020, 04:21:08 PM
Worth noting that O'Neills were being absolutely hammered last week for ceasing sports goods production. Give these companies a chance. Everyone is trying to manage an unprecedented situation as best they can.

Rightly so to be honest, they couldn't wait to get rid of staff and they haven't needed the money in years truth be told.

Kieran Kennedy didn’t wake up last week and decide on the spur of the moment to get rid of 750 staff. They’d a wage bill of £13m in 2018 perhaps it’s even more now. That’s a lot to sustain if you have nothing coming into the bank or an order book showing sweet FA.

Fair point, but you would imagine they'll be flying online with football orders, home training equipment and the likes. Just seemed like a very quick step, to a week later announce they could suddenly do medical stuff.

Wouldn't go so far as to label them cnuts...but yeah, they could have kept people on for a few weeks to see what would / could have happened.

Hopefully they can get the employment numbers back up in that area. I see they are doing an online sale at moment, anything to stimulate growth.

For Oneills it was like a tap turning off. The wife works there and over 80% of their work is sports related and it just stopped. Their lead times are at the longest 6 weeks for special make up clothes and 3 weeks for most other. So once the orders stopped they only had a couple of weeks work until there was nothing to do. Plus it was at their quietest time. Things usually take off around St Patrick's day and then their flat out until Christmas. So happened at a bad time as well unfortunately.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Art Mc Crory’s Sofa on March 25, 2020, 06:06:11 PM
ONeills making scrubs is pr bullshit. Hospitals need ventilators, masks, gloves and aprons. Not shiny new scrubs.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on March 25, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
ONeills making scrubs is pr bullshit. Hospitals need ventilators, masks, gloves and aprons. Not shiny new scrubs.

Some people need to wise up. It might be good PR for O'Neills esp. after the way they were so quick to lay people off but you you haven't a clue when you say hospitals don't need shiny new scrubs. Hospitals need all those things you mentioned and scrubs are no exception. Same goes for all health care workers. Scrubs are needed as staff don't want to be wearing their regular uniforms and have to bring them home to wash. Having scrubs means they can change in the hospital and leave these behind so they can be washed and cleaned without the extra risk of wearing their own uniforms and having to bring them home to wash. In normal times most don't wear scrubs but these are vital now and so there is a shortage. If the hospital didn't need them why would they be letting O'Neills make them.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 25, 2020, 08:08:14 PM
ONeills making scrubs is pr bullshit. Hospitals need ventilators, masks, gloves and aprons. Not shiny new scrubs.
So are they just making them for the good of their health or have they got orders from the heath trusts?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 09:45:32 PM
It’s very uncertain time for employees and employers at this time.

Some employers will be able to help some won’t, my neighbour has lost her job, gone and her type of work won’t be up and running for a while, financially her family will get through it, but thousands won’t.

I’m lucky that we’ll have her wages, and plenty of wine! But in all seriousness this is going to change everything till we get a vaccine
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Never beat the deeler on March 25, 2020, 09:55:03 PM
ONeills making scrubs is pr bullshit. Hospitals need ventilators, masks, gloves and aprons. Not shiny new scrubs.
So are they just making them for the good of their health or have they got orders from the heathy trusts?

Not to mention its one thing going from making tracksuits to making scrubs.
What part of the ONeills factory can be repurposed to make ventilators?!
Example given earlier that a vacuum cleaner manufacturer switched to making ventilators - at lest there's some sort of similarity. Air tight systems with pumps filters and tubes.

On a general note, nobody here has a clue what the majority of businesses are dealing with.
It's one thing saying to keep paying staff, if there's no money coming in there's no business and all the staff get laid off
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Solo_run on March 25, 2020, 10:01:31 PM
ONeills making scrubs is pr bullshit. Hospitals need ventilators, masks, gloves and aprons. Not shiny new scrubs.
So are they just making them for the good of their health or have they got orders from the heathy trusts?

Not to mention its one thing going from making tracksuits to making scrubs.
What part of the ONeills factory can be repurposed to make ventilators?!
Example given earlier that a vacuum cleaner manufacturer switched to making ventilators - at lest there's some sort of similarity. Air tight systems with pumps filters and tubes.

On a general note, nobody here has a clue what the majority of businesses are dealing with.
It's one thing saying to keep paying staff, if there's no money coming in there's no business and all the staff get laid off

If it is a nightmare for us then it is a nightmare for them. No company wants to fail. However, there are companies out there that will sacrafice staff for money.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: grounded on March 26, 2020, 11:02:15 AM
ONeills making scrubs is pr bullshit. Hospitals need ventilators, masks, gloves and aprons. Not shiny new scrubs.
So are they just making them for the good of their health or have they got orders from the heathy trusts?

Not to mention its one thing going from making tracksuits to making scrubs.
What part of the ONeills factory can be repurposed to make ventilators?!
Example given earlier that a vacuum cleaner manufacturer switched to making ventilators - at lest there's some sort of similarity. Air tight systems with pumps filters and tubes.

On a general note, nobody here has a clue what the majority of businesses are dealing with.
It's one thing saying to keep paying staff, if there's no money coming in there's no business and all the staff get laid off

If it is a nightmare for us then it is a nightmare for them. No company wants to fail. However, there are companies out there that will sacrafice staff for money.

True. However, you would be suprised to know how many small businesses are just getting by week to week as opposed to longer term plans.
       In many cases they are one bad month away from closing. The 80% employment retention scheme in the uk and its equivalent in Ireland was a life/job saver at least until this thing ends(goodness knows when that will be).  That along with the Grants and other incentives will help things tick over. But i've a feeling we are just kicking the can down the road a little further. 
       Nobody wants to see their business fail, bit i've an awful bad feeling that once this thing ends and any governemnt support gets turned off then huge numbers of small and medium businesses are going to hit the wall.
       
       
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: five points on March 26, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
On a general note, nobody here has a clue what the majority of businesses are dealing with.
It's one thing saying to keep paying staff, if there's no money coming in there's no business and all the staff get laid off
Excellent point. Even the likes of Sports Direct and Wetherspoons will have colossal monthly rents and loan repayments. Only the luckiest of businesses can survive a few months with no revenues coming in. Paying staff for a few weeks isn't worth a damn to anyone if the same staff lose their jobs when the crisis is over.

And the idea of O'Neills switching from sewing fabrics to assembling medical devices is laughable.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 26, 2020, 01:31:17 PM
imo any business that can't survive 2 months esp with government help is not being properly managed. All companies should have some kind of disaster fund for times like this, it is unprecedented yes but not unthinkable. i guarantee many of them will use this situation to fundamentally change the way they operate but not for their workers benefit that's for sure  :(
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: five points on March 26, 2020, 01:50:24 PM
imo any business that can't survive 2 months esp with government help is not being properly managed. All companies should have some kind of disaster fund for times like this, it is unprecedented yes but not unthinkable. i guarantee many of them will use this situation to fundamentally change the way they operate but not for their workers benefit that's for sure  :(

Shut them all down then and see what happens the job numbers...
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Wee Roddy on March 26, 2020, 02:04:40 PM
imo any business that can't survive 2 months esp with government help is not being properly managed. All companies should have some kind of disaster fund for times like this, it is unprecedented yes but not unthinkable. i guarantee many of them will use this situation to fundamentally change the way they operate but not for their workers benefit that's for sure  :(
Are you serious? Have you any idea what margins companies work off just to get contracts?
Closing anything non essential is the only way to stop the spread of this virus. Just don't expect your job to still be there when you return.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 26, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
imo any business that can't survive 2 months esp with government help is not being properly managed. All companies should have some kind of disaster fund for times like this, it is unprecedented yes but not unthinkable. i guarantee many of them will use this situation to fundamentally change the way they operate but not for their workers benefit that's for sure  :(

I would imagine this will change the way everyone goes about spending what excess finances they have from here on. I know I wasn't exactly in great shape during the last recession and caught myself on savings wise thereafter (even though I was not put out of work by it I certainly 'lost' some years).
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 26, 2020, 02:30:57 PM
This thread needs to recognise the business that have stood by their employees also, acted the cnut or were brilliant during the outbreak (title)

Plenty of business that have (on the short term) acted superbly during the outbreak and layoff's

Even the basic of giving their employees the guarantee of employment when its over added with the government help of 80% of their basic, that would be a start

Some are paying the extra 20% to ensure their staff is not losing out

Allowing staff to work from home on full pay

Allowing flexibility of work from home or social distancing in work for key workers

I don't know what I'll get, but I hope I've a job and a business left to go back to in the next few months

Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: five points on March 26, 2020, 02:42:29 PM
That depends totally on the business you're in. If there are huge overheads and big loan repayments, any guarantee of still having a job at the end of this, particularly if it goes badly, isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Lots of companies virtue signal but they tend to be the ones that can afford to.

Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 26, 2020, 02:52:16 PM
That depends totally on the business you're in. If there are huge overheads and big loan repayments, any guarantee of still having a job at the end of this, particularly if it goes badly, isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Lots of companies virtue signal but they tend to be the ones that can afford to.

No and that's the same for most business's regardless of the size of it, if you are not in a business that actually profits from this type of outbreak then the ass will fall right out of it, the measure of a good business is how it recovers. I thought my business was recession proof and it is, but this has flattened us and should it continue, no company will do well..


A lot of the smaller business in my sector could shut down and never recover during this period, leaving the way for the bigger companies to get more business. Or give opportunities for independents to dust themselves down and reboot themselves
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Taylor on March 26, 2020, 08:32:35 PM
ONeills making scrubs is pr bullshit. Hospitals need ventilators, masks, gloves and aprons. Not shiny new scrubs.
So are they just making them for the good of their health or have they got orders from the heath trusts?

It is complete PR bullshit.
At the first sign of trouble over 700 staff were laid off...Oneills could have done more for their staff even on a short term basis but like they screw over the Irish consumer they screwed their staff.

All these TV interviews now about the good they are doing.
They didn't go out and offer help....They were approached by the Trust.

And as for doing it for free  ::)
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Franko on March 27, 2020, 11:09:12 PM
Make no comment as to the truth of this but this message has been doing the rounds today.  IF it’s true, Creagh Concrete need added to our list.  Maybe in top spot.

“In light of Covid-19 on Wednesday 25th March 2020 Creagh Concrete threatened employees with a 10% pay cut, back dated to the 1st March 2020. TODAY Creagh Concrete proceeded with this unlawful deduction to wages and back dated it to the 1st March 2020. These employees have worked the full month of March and have only received 90% of their pay. They have failed to consult employees, have not given them any official/written communication to justify why they have done this despite the government offer to support businesses with furlough leave at 80%. At a time when employers should be supporting their staff Creagh Concrete are causing additional fear and stress by continuing to work, cutting employees pay and failing to communicate reasonably with employees. Is Creagh Concrete going to reimburse these employees pay when everything gets back to normal? Is this a temporary pay cut?

Despite government guidance, Creagh Concrete have not enforced home working for those whose work can be done remotely and therefore are contributing to the spread of Covid-19. Creagh Concrete need to wake up and start treating their staff as humans and think about their corporate responsibility.

Massive company pulling unlawful moves and making the poor employees continue to work. Poor employees employees wages were cut TODAY. However these employees are asked to continue working in an unsafe manner. The work is still there and therefore money must still be coming in but employees are expected to do the same work for 10% less pay. Using Covid-19 as an excuse is a total sham. It's a quare excuse to reduce their wage bill. What about all the people at the top (managers and directors) that have been overpaid for years!!!!

Shame on Creagh Concrete!!!!

DISGRACEFUL ACTIONS AND BEHAVIOUR!!!

I have tried to post this on Creagh Concretes page but they have deleted it. I wonder why???? I am having to protect my identy and everytime I open a new page it is being blocked. Please share with as many people as possible. These companies cant continue to exploit their employees.”
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2020, 11:30:28 PM
Companies that have been proven to shit on their employees will find the publicity they get afterwards very damaging
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Never beat the deeler on March 28, 2020, 02:23:28 AM
Make no comment as to the truth of this but this message has been doing the rounds today.  IF it’s true, Creagh Concrete need added to our list.  Maybe in top spot.



If you can't verify the truth of it, then maybe you shouldn't be spreading it
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 28, 2020, 07:11:36 AM
Companies that have been proven to shit on their employees will find the publicity they get afterwards very damaging
I really hope that ends up being the case. Personally I’d love to see that Brexit loving cnut Tim Martin having to eat grass when this is over. And on the subject of Brexit loving c***ts I wonder how much Dyson is screwing the Government  for his plagiarised ventilators?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: bannside on March 28, 2020, 10:49:50 AM
Franko re Creagh Concrete. Go back to your very first paragraph  where you admit that you cant guarantee the accuracy of the statement that you then go on to post.

Would you please remove your post altogether until you have correct information. This is a slur on a reputable company and I'd be very concerned about the legality of putting this information on here until at the very least you could confirm its authenticity.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: LeoMc on March 28, 2020, 10:57:27 PM
Which list do Randox sit on? Are thy providing a great and necessary service or price gouging?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 28, 2020, 11:00:53 PM
Which list do Randox sit on? Are thy providing a great and necessary service or price gouging?

Are they not giving free tests to NHS? Bit later than what some wanted I suppose
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 29, 2020, 12:02:31 AM
Which list do Randox sit on? Are thy providing a great and necessary service or price gouging?
Latter. Free tests to the NHS staff after an online campaign. Are they still proposing to sell their tenner kits for 120 quid behind this smokescreen?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 12:10:27 AM
Which list do Randox sit on? Are thy providing a great and necessary service or price gouging?
Latter. Free tests to the NHS staff after an online campaign. Are they still proposing to sell their tenner kits for 120 quid behind this smokescreen?

Pharmaceutical companies are profit machines. You should know that, they ain’t in it to work at a loss, none of them give stuff away for free.

If people want to buy them you can, Tesco aren’t giving away feee bog roll or other stuff the nhs could do with, they ain’t on anyone’s list
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 29, 2020, 12:42:20 AM
Not according to 3 lads I know work in CC. It's a fact and the media was contacted about it. Be handy if they actual tell workers they were taking the money of them. Is concrete products a essential trade at the minute. If there's work there,  they must come in. Or the other option is time off on the sick at less than a hundred a week. 10% paid cut to men working over a certain level, The pay cut backed at least a week to the guys I was talking.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: illdecide on March 29, 2020, 09:54:06 AM
All the companies are at it now FFS. WSP (big consultants) have told their employee's they've to take up to a 20% reduction in their salaries (depending on what they earn). Albert Fry Associates (Belfast) have told their employee's they're on 20% less too for at least 3 months. The company i work for have no work so i'm crapping myself here but I was told during the big crash around 2009-2010 they worked 37hrs a week and they asked their employee's to work a 40 hr week to which they are still doing to this day 10 or 11 years later.
At the end of the day them companies are there to make money and when they're not making money they'll take drastic actions to reduce their loss as much as possible and if that means letting people go, reducing salaries or making them work longer hours they'll not think twice
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 10:07:37 AM
If you were an employer (forget about their supposed yearly earnings and profits) and you’d no business during this period what do you do?

Continue to pay people full wage

Or restructure your business to enable your staff to have something and a job at the end of it?

I’ve been off from last week, we’ll be furloughed from 1st of April, we’ve been given a very generous package but it’ll last till June then be reviewed and we’ve basically lost our holidays for the year to enable them to give us a wage, we’ve been guaranteed our jobs at the end of this. I’m ver happy but still if we don’t open in June or July I’d be very concerned.

To give you another example one very successful cafe in Belfast, Grapevine just shut their doors and business Friday last, all laid off, the place was full every day, but you can’t make money to pay rates bills electric wages overheads. My neighbour worked there and lost her job. She’s had businesses in the past she knew it wasn’t viable

Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Will it ever end on March 29, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Not according to 3 lads I know work in CC. It's a fact and the media was contacted about it. Be handy if they actual tell workers they were taking the money of them. Is concrete products a essential trade at the minute. If there's work there,  they must come in. Or the other option is time off on the sick at less than a hundred a week. 10% paid cut to men working over a certain level, The pay cut backed at least a week to the guys I was talking.

I’d have thought concrete products would be essential if serving infrastructure projects - the A6 roadworks are still ongoing less than a mile away from Creagh? They’ll also be required for the major works for the field hospitals - albeit on a reduced scale.

Creagh from their recent accounts run on extremely small bargains - around 3% from memory - they can’t afford to pay this or they won’t be around when we come out the other side of that.

Moreover they’d be so much more clarity if the executive came out and gave a definitive list for closures that can then moved forward to furlough, which employees are assuming they’re able to avail from - this pitting employee’s against employers is horrendous at this time.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: marty34 on March 29, 2020, 11:08:40 AM
If you were an employer (forget about their supposed yearly earnings and profits) and you’d no business during this period what do you do?

Continue to pay people full wage

Or restructure your business to enable your staff to have something and a job at the end of it?

I’ve been off from last week, we’ll be furloughed from 1st of April, we’ve been given a very generous package but it’ll last till June then be reviewed and we’ve basically lost our holidays for the year to enable them to give us a wage, we’ve been guaranteed our jobs at the end of this. I’m ver happy but still if we don’t open in June or July I’d be very concerned.

To give you another example one very successful cafe in Belfast, Grapevine just shut their doors and business Friday last, all laid off, the place was full every day, but you can’t make money to pay rates bills electric wages overheads. My neighbour worked there and lost her job. She’s had businesses in the past she knew it wasn’t viable

I was saying this last week - even if a business gets 80% of wages paid, surely there's not much future for them as there is nothing coming in for 2/3 months?

They have outgoings, loan repayments and insurance etc. so even though workers are getting paid, it'll be hard for the business to start up again.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Last Caress on March 29, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
Not according to 3 lads I know work in CC. It's a fact and the media was contacted about it. Be handy if they actual tell workers they were taking the money of them. Is concrete products a essential trade at the minute. If there's work there,  they must come in. Or the other option is time off on the sick at less than a hundred a week. 10% paid cut to men working over a certain level, The pay cut backed at least a week to the guys I was talking.

I’d have thought concrete products would be essential if serving infrastructure projects - the A6 roadworks are still ongoing less than a mile away from Creagh? They’ll also be required for the major works for the field hospitals - albeit on a reduced scale.

Creagh from their recent accounts run on extremely small bargains - around 3% from memory - they can’t afford to pay this or they won’t be around when we come out the other side of that.

Moreover they’d be so much more clarity if the executive came out and gave a definitive list for closures that can then moved forward to furlough, which employees are assuming they’re able to avail from - this pitting employee’s against employers is horrendous at this time.
https://t.co/WzmElK6imU?amp=1
This is the legislation drawn up by stormont. Page 13 Part 3 indicates those businesses that can continue to operate ( albeit with restrictions) . Building supplies are among this. Not a bed time read.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: clarshack on March 29, 2020, 01:31:49 PM
Wonder if Creagh Concrete would accept 90% of what I owe them  ;)
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Will it ever end on March 29, 2020, 01:46:11 PM
The reality with Creagh & many other like them is they can’t sustain paying wages with no income - if they do it’ll ultimately end with the company failing & those hundreds employed will have no jobs to return to.

They like many others have been placed in an impossible position not by their making.  Edwin Poots (I shudder for saying this) highlighted it quite clearly this morning.

The Furlough process has been a shambles for manufacturing & construction right from the start & hasn’t been explained to this point by our elected representatives.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: marty34 on March 29, 2020, 02:06:48 PM
Wonder if Creagh Concrete would accept 90% of what I owe them  ;)

In fairness to CC and companies like them, I'd say they are owed serious money around the country down through the years i.e. lads not paying them and then going bust etc. during the recession.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 29, 2020, 04:21:40 PM
If you were an employer (forget about their supposed yearly earnings and profits) and you’d no business during this period what do you do?

Continue to pay people full wage

Or restructure your business to enable your staff to have something and a job at the end of it?

I’ve been off from last week, we’ll be furloughed from 1st of April, we’ve been given a very generous package but it’ll last till June then be reviewed and we’ve basically lost our holidays for the year to enable them to give us a wage, we’ve been guaranteed our jobs at the end of this. I’m ver happy but still if we don’t open in June or July I’d be very concerned.

To give you another example one very successful cafe in Belfast, Grapevine just shut their doors and business Friday last, all laid off, the place was full every day, but you can’t make money to pay rates bills electric wages overheads. My neighbour worked there and lost her job. She’s had businesses in the past she knew it wasn’t viable

I was saying this last week - even if a business gets 80% of wages paid, surely there's not much future for them as there is nothing coming in for 2/3 months?

They have outgoings, loan repayments and insurance etc. so even though workers are getting paid, it'll be hard for the business to start up again.

this is where running a business on small margins and credit falls down, the smart, properly managed companies are very liquid and can cope with the stoppage. Ryanair for instance has 4 billion in cash available  ;)
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: gallsman on March 29, 2020, 04:45:25 PM
It's amazing on this board how much people love to criticise and abuse but once things get a little bit too close to home for comfort, everyone is up in arms about defamation and legal consequences.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 04:49:04 PM
If you were an employer (forget about their supposed yearly earnings and profits) and you’d no business during this period what do you do?

Continue to pay people full wage

Or restructure your business to enable your staff to have something and a job at the end of it?

I’ve been off from last week, we’ll be furloughed from 1st of April, we’ve been given a very generous package but it’ll last till June then be reviewed and we’ve basically lost our holidays for the year to enable them to give us a wage, we’ve been guaranteed our jobs at the end of this. I’m ver happy but still if we don’t open in June or July I’d be very concerned.

To give you another example one very successful cafe in Belfast, Grapevine just shut their doors and business Friday last, all laid off, the place was full every day, but you can’t make money to pay rates bills electric wages overheads. My neighbour worked there and lost her job. She’s had businesses in the past she knew it wasn’t viable

I was saying this last week - even if a business gets 80% of wages paid, surely there's not much future for them as there is nothing coming in for 2/3 months?

They have outgoings, loan repayments and insurance etc. so even though workers are getting paid, it'll be hard for the business to start up again.

this is where running a business on small margins and credit falls down, the smart, properly managed companies are very liquid and can cope with the stoppage. Ryanair for instance has 4 billion in cash available  ;)

What small business has 4 billion handy?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: gallsman on March 29, 2020, 04:50:19 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 04:56:18 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.

So if I owned a coffee cafe place,  had four workers managed to get a wage pay wages and rates and so on and the margins are about 4% profit after that that’s not great?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: gallsman on March 29, 2020, 05:08:31 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.

So if I owned a coffee cafe place,  had four workers managed to get a wage pay wages and rates and so on and the margins are about 4% profit after that that’s not great?

At a time like this? Evidently not. Ever read, or even heard of, The Black Swan?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 05:27:21 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.

So if I owned a coffee cafe place,  had four workers managed to get a wage pay wages and rates and so on and the margins are about 4% profit after that that’s not great?

At a time like this? Evidently not. Ever read, or even heard of, The Black Swan?

No one prepared for a time like this, people have the balls to give it a go and making a living out of working for themselves and earning a living for their local employees. If you had that attitude you’d never try and own a business
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 29, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.

So if I owned a coffee cafe place,  had four workers managed to get a wage pay wages and rates and so on and the margins are about 4% profit after that that’s not great?

At a time like this? Evidently not. Ever read, or even heard of, The Black Swan?

No one prepared for a time like this, people have the balls to give it a go and making a living out of working for themselves and earning a living for their local employees. If you had that attitude you’d never try and own a business

you have to hedge for uncertain times though, this is certainly worst case scenario, but fail to prepare, prepare to fail and all that  8).
banks are mainly to blame having said that, far too much easy credit still
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 29, 2020, 05:59:50 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/03/27/news/irish-news/sinn-fein-pearse-doherty-banks-profit-coronavirus/amp
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 06:04:29 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.

So if I owned a coffee cafe place,  had four workers managed to get a wage pay wages and rates and so on and the margins are about 4% profit after that that’s not great?

At a time like this? Evidently not. Ever read, or even heard of, The Black Swan?

No one prepared for a time like this, people have the balls to give it a go and making a living out of working for themselves and earning a living for their local employees. If you had that attitude you’d never try and own a business

you have to hedge for uncertain times though, this is certainly worst case scenario, but fail to prepare, prepare to fail and all that  8).
banks are mainly to blame having said that, far too much easy credit still

There are smarter people out there than the experts on here who didn’t prepare for a world wide shut down, some experts here though
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: marty34 on March 29, 2020, 06:45:13 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.

So if I owned a coffee cafe place,  had four workers managed to get a wage pay wages and rates and so on and the margins are about 4% profit after that that’s not great?

At a time like this? Evidently not. Ever read, or even heard of, The Black Swan?

No one prepared for a time like this, people have the balls to give it a go and making a living out of working for themselves and earning a living for their local employees. If you had that attitude you’d never try and own a business

Very true MR2 - in America, if you go bankrupt, you're looked on as a type of 'hero'.  In so much that you tried to make a go of it in business e.g. you tried the American Dream.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: grounded on March 29, 2020, 07:27:46 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.

So if I owned a coffee cafe place,  had four workers managed to get a wage pay wages and rates and so on and the margins are about 4% profit after that that’s not great?

At a time like this? Evidently not. Ever read, or even heard of, The Black Swan?

No one prepared for a time like this, people have the balls to give it a go and making a living out of working for themselves and earning a living for their local employees. If you had that attitude you’d never try and own a business

you have to hedge for uncertain times though, this is certainly worst case scenario, but fail to prepare, prepare to fail and all that  8).
banks are mainly to blame having said that, far too much easy credit still

Honestly, how many businesses that you personally know or are involved in had preparations for a global pandemic and the business unterruption that it would involve?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: marty34 on March 29, 2020, 08:06:50 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/03/27/news/irish-news/sinn-fein-pearse-doherty-banks-profit-coronavirus/amp

Good work - needs to keep the pressure on the banks big time.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 29, 2020, 10:06:14 PM
What small business has 4 billion handy?

Running a business on small margins is not the same as running a small business.

So if I owned a coffee cafe place,  had four workers managed to get a wage pay wages and rates and so on and the margins are about 4% profit after that that’s not great?

At a time like this? Evidently not. Ever read, or even heard of, The Black Swan?

No one prepared for a time like this, people have the balls to give it a go and making a living out of working for themselves and earning a living for their local employees. If you had that attitude you’d never try and own a business

you have to hedge for uncertain times though, this is certainly worst case scenario, but fail to prepare, prepare to fail and all that  8).
banks are mainly to blame having said that, far too much easy credit still

Ach naw, be realistic - you cannot really prepare for this.

Yeah, depending on your business type, you could have some measures to mitigate - i.e. already all set up for remote working. But if you run a cafe - that's just not an option.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: illdecide on March 29, 2020, 10:22:17 PM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: marty34 on March 29, 2020, 10:35:34 PM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).

That's tough alright.  Tough on everybody.  Pity they won't cut you a bit of slack until things, which they will, get going again.

A lot of business' in the same boat these times - just need to see some light at the end of the tunnel.

How are the banks - are they understanding or just ruthless?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: screenexile on March 29, 2020, 10:54:48 PM
Banks are getting right stuck in in the UK anyway loans up to 8% and the like... c***ts!!
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 11:39:40 PM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).


This unfortunately is the real reality, I really hope that you get sorted along with the rest of those that have the balls to set up a business,

I looked into this about 6/7 years ago. Ready to go and risk everything into a 20% yearly profit business. Things during negotiations didn’t go the way I wanted them and I opted out.

But....

according to some experts on here you should have knew that a pandemic was on the way and created a billion quid to back things up!

Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Dire Ear on March 30, 2020, 01:22:10 AM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).
Good info here, nibusinessinfo.co.uk  good luck
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: balladmaker on March 30, 2020, 01:58:11 AM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).

I can’t see how the landlord won’t do a deal with you until things getting going again, I can’t see the landlord having any better option in the current climate.

Same for the DD’s ... don’t know what the nature of the DD’s are, but if they’re for bank loans then you should have an option to take a payment holiday in the current climate?  If to suppliers, then hopefully they’d work with you.  Either way, do what’s best to protect the business, business relationships usually find a way of mending themselves.  Good luck!!
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: screenexile on March 30, 2020, 08:40:36 AM
Here’s an example of what’s going on with the banks...

http://www.irishnews.com/business/2020/03/30/news/loan-scheme-is-11-36-per-cent-above-residential-lending-1880280/?param=ds441rif44T
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: JohnDenver on March 30, 2020, 08:55:30 AM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).

I know this won't help your situation, and i hope you can get sorted out someway with as little damage as possible - it's more to mention the David McWilliams Podcast.

I don't know the technical ins and outs of economics, but he was basically saying that the current method isn't working of ECB lending to banks in a form of quantitive easing, who then want to lend to people and business.  He reckons the money should be given directly to businesses or even people's bank accounts, to avoid job losses as the human effect of the job losses etc can't be quantified - and that essentially the money can be paid for at a negative percentage.

He's worth a listen, and it's generally appealing and well explained without going too deep into fancy economic terms.

Good luck illdecide!
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Franko on March 30, 2020, 09:38:29 AM
Franko re Creagh Concrete. Go back to your very first paragraph  where you admit that you cant guarantee the accuracy of the statement that you then go on to post.

Would you please remove your post altogether until you have correct information. This is a slur on a reputable company and I'd be very concerned about the legality of putting this information on here until at the very least you could confirm its authenticity.

"Slate Mike Ashley all you want but these guys sponsor Antrim so you better fcuk up"
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: bannside on March 30, 2020, 10:42:31 AM
Wise up. You said in your first paragraph that you cant be sure of its accuracy...but off you go and front three or four paragraphs of stuff you dont even know is true yourself!!

I asked you to take it down until you could at least check out its authenticity. What part of this do you think is out of order???
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 30, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
Are ye going round fb asking ones to take down also Bannside as ive seen it on there a right bit or are you saving all your ire for poor Franko 😉
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: bannside on March 30, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
I'm not a spokesman for Creagh but surely you cant put stuff out there of a serious nature like this until at least its accuracy can be verified. Ive heard bad reports about a few other companies, from a decent source, but couldn't put it on here because I dont know for definite.

I dont spend any time on Facebook...except the club or county facebook pages. You can get addicted to that thing!
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: trailer on March 30, 2020, 11:46:54 AM
We've about 2 months cash reserves. Then after that we're done. Businesses have so many fixed costs, rent, insurance, vehicles etc. We'll be fit to pay wages and what's owed to creditors but without sales it's mission impossible unfortunately. The government wants us to borrow to stay afloat. That's all well and good but will things go back to normal in 3 weeks? 3 months? 12 months? It's a huge risk.
 
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Franko on March 30, 2020, 11:59:48 AM
I'm not a spokesman for Creagh but surely you cant put stuff out there of a serious nature like this until at least its accuracy can be verified. Ive heard bad reports about a few other companies, from a decent source, but couldn't put it on here because I dont know for definite.

I dont spend any time on Facebook...except the club or county facebook pages. You can get addicted to that thing!

You sure as hell sound like one.

There were plenty of posts about Randox supposedly charging £120 for a £10 test.  Again, all unverified.

Did you jump in to defend them?

Do Randox not deserve the same support from you as Creagh?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2020, 12:09:04 PM
I'm not a spokesman for Creagh but surely you cant put stuff out there of a serious nature like this until at least its accuracy can be verified. Ive heard bad reports about a few other companies, from a decent source, but couldn't put it on here because I dont know for definite.

I dont spend any time on Facebook...except the club or county facebook pages. You can get addicted to that thing!

You sure as hell sound like one.

There were plenty of posts about Randox supposedly charging £120 for a £10 test.  Again, all unverified.

Did you jump in to defend them?

Do Randox not deserve the same support from you as Creagh?

Randox selling test kits for £120 that are £10 to actually make it sounds about right for those types of companies, that's profit. They probably make more money off producing other kits but because there is a need for something its highlighted more.

Pharma companies make the most money, that's why the likes of Randox could sponsor the Grand National these last few yearsat the tune of over 20 million.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: grounded on March 30, 2020, 12:14:28 PM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).

https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/campaign/coronavirus-updates-support-your-business

I'm sure you've looked at the site above. Are you entitled to the business support grant scheme?
       I'm in a similar position to yourself. Small business 3 employees. Work has ground to a halt so zero cashflow. 
       Unfortunately i dont qualify for the 80% employee retention scheme. I Have managed to keep everybody employed and on their full salary, through having some cash reserves and an overdraft facility.
      I have approached my bank re a loan but those that i have approached(to date) do not want an unsecured loan and are asking for my home as security for the loan. Needless to say that is very concerning for my family.
      I have a busineess interruption insurance but believe it or not closure due to a world wide pandemic doesnt qualify me. 
       I have looked at other ways to reduce costs in the mean time including a freeze on my professional indemnity payments and  obviously material/ supplier costs, electricity/heating etc.
        I'm praying that i qualify for that business support grant to tide me through and that this disaster abates.
         Weirdly just before this crisis our biggest conundrum in work was sorting and scheduling out holidays between our staff!
           I wish you well and hope things pan out for you.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Franko on March 30, 2020, 12:15:32 PM
I'm not a spokesman for Creagh but surely you cant put stuff out there of a serious nature like this until at least its accuracy can be verified. Ive heard bad reports about a few other companies, from a decent source, but couldn't put it on here because I dont know for definite.

I dont spend any time on Facebook...except the club or county facebook pages. You can get addicted to that thing!

You sure as hell sound like one.

There were plenty of posts about Randox supposedly charging £120 for a £10 test.  Again, all unverified.

Did you jump in to defend them?

Do Randox not deserve the same support from you as Creagh?

Randox selling test kits for £120 that are £10 to actually make it sounds about right for those types of companies, that's profit. They probably make more money off producing other kits but because there is a need for something its highlighted more.

Pharma companies make the most money, that's why the likes of Randox could sponsor the Grand National these last few yearsat the tune of over 20 million.

Thanks for that, but that wasn't the accusation being levelled at them in this regard.

It was they forced you to buy a £120 test 'bundle' which tested for various things (unnecessarily in this case), in order to get the £10 part which covered Covid-19.

Again, totally unverified.

And let pass without comment by even the most righteous of posters.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2020, 12:28:56 PM
No one is forced to do anything.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Franko on March 30, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
No one is forced to do anything.

I take it you missed the "in order to get the £10 part which covered Covid-19" part.

It's OK, we're all under pressure at the minute.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2020, 01:02:00 PM
No one is forced to do anything.

I take it you missed the "in order to get the £10 part which covered Covid-19" part.

It's OK, we're all under pressure at the minute.

Pressure to fill my day!
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: delgany on March 30, 2020, 01:21:42 PM
The £120 for 10 various kits , including one for covid 19 was stated by a randox company spokesperson on Radio Ulster, last week.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 30, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).

I know this won't help your situation, and i hope you can get sorted out someway with as little damage as possible - it's more to mention the David McWilliams Podcast.

I don't know the technical ins and outs of economics, but he was basically saying that the current method isn't working of ECB lending to banks in a form of quantitive easing, who then want to lend to people and business.  He reckons the money should be given directly to businesses or even people's bank accounts, to avoid job losses as the human effect of the job losses etc can't be quantified - and that essentially the money can be paid for at a negative percentage.

He's worth a listen, and it's generally appealing and well explained without going too deep into fancy economic terms.

Good luck illdecide!

quantitive easing was never initiated  to save the man on the street, its to save the commercial banks and the city.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: TabClear on March 30, 2020, 02:01:09 PM
Guys i run/ran a small business in town, things where going nicely up to this virus. Now we're closed, I opened the ice-cream parlour and coffee shop for my wife to run as her and her sister had previously ran their fathers shop (no longer opened from he passed away) so they know what they're doing. TBH i get a few quid out of it for doing very little but it's a job for my wife and her sister along with another five people. Now the shop is closed and with not much money in the bank as the shop is still in it's first year, my Landlord will not accept my phone calls so i can try and arrange an agreement to try and get through this mess but no joy there. I have a few direct debits that come out along with the wages. If i get a freeze on the direct debits and the Government pay me back the 80% for the wages i'll be fine but if they don't and the other direct debits don't play ball with me then it game over...Simple as that.

Other alternative is to let them all go and stop my direct debits and hope this blows over quick and try and repair a few broken relationships (not my preferred choice).

https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/campaign/coronavirus-updates-support-your-business

I'm sure you've looked at the site above. Are you entitled to the business support grant scheme?
       I'm in a similar position to yourself. Small business 3 employees. Work has ground to a halt so zero cashflow. 
       Unfortunately i dont qualify for the 80% employee retention scheme. I Have managed to keep everybody employed and on their full salary, through having some cash reserves and an overdraft facility.
      I have approached my bank re a loan but those that i have approached(to date) do not want an unsecured loan and are asking for my home as security for the loan. Needless to say that is very concerning for my family.
      I have a busineess interruption insurance but believe it or not closure due to a world wide pandemic doesnt qualify me. 
       I have looked at other ways to reduce costs in the mean time including a freeze on my professional indemnity payments and  obviously material/ supplier costs, electricity/heating etc.
        I'm praying that i qualify for that business support grant to tide me through and that this disaster abates.
         Weirdly just before this crisis our biggest conundrum in work was sorting and scheduling out holidays between our staff!
           I wish you well and hope things pan out for you.

Grounded, did you approach the bank under the Covid 19 loan scheme or as a "normal" facility?
https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/sites/default/files/British-Business-Bank-CBILS-FAQs-for-SMEs-FINAL_0.pdf

They cant ask you for your home as security but possibly can refuse to lend on "commercial" grounds.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: grounded on March 30, 2020, 02:39:32 PM
I assumed it was covid 19 loan scheme as i asked them about it. Perhaps i was corralled into one of their own existing business loan packages?
    I shall ask again and specifcally state covid 19 government loan scheme. Thank you for the advice
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 30, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
We've about 2 months cash reserves. Then after that we're done. Businesses have so many fixed costs, rent, insurance, vehicles etc. We'll be fit to pay wages and what's owed to creditors but without sales it's mission impossible unfortunately. The government wants us to borrow to stay afloat. That's all well and good but will things go back to normal in 3 weeks? 3 months? 12 months? It's a huge risk.

risk management is what business is all about imo, that's the decision you have to make and i hope it works out. at least you have 2 months leeway, some companies seem to be operating with no cash reserve which seems like very poor practice. while not a business, i have enough cash to pay my mortgage and bills for a year, which gives some breathing room should i lose my job or worse. personal responsibility comes into this crisis as well and while it sounds harsh, living month to month is simply not viable, i know plenty of people with v well paid jobs and no savings, madness  ::)
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: illdecide on March 30, 2020, 03:49:31 PM
I have applied for the £10k grant to small businesses, if i get that it def will help a lot. I paid 7 staff full pay last week and only one even replied to say thanks, the rest didn't even acknowledge they got paid and for that reason alone i'm paying them 80% from this week (Furloughed) and hopefully in 2 weeks i can claim their wages back. I'm not looking them to kiss my ass but a thumbs up text would suffice.
The banks wouldn't lend me any money so i got my loan from the Credit Union, hopefully they can defer payments for a month or two.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: maddog on March 30, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
what sort of an outfit would pull this one

18 people working for a recruitment firm. They furlough 11 of them so presumably will claim the 80% from the government. The remaining 7 they are asking to keep working but on 80% of normal wage. That can't be right.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2020, 04:02:18 PM
I have applied for the £10k grant to small businesses, if i get that it def will help a lot. I paid 7 staff full pay last week and only one even replied to say thanks, the rest didn't even acknowledge they got paid and for that reason alone i'm paying them 80% from this week (Furloughed) and hopefully in 2 weeks i can claim their wages back. I'm not looking them to kiss my ass but a thumbs up text would suffice.
The banks wouldn't lend me any money so i got my loan from the Credit Union, hopefully they can defer payments for a month or two.

Ah but the thing is, they think you're loaded and it won't affect you! But as long as you prepared for the pandemic and didn't put any savings into this new business you'll be fine.

I can just see some of the posters now sitting there with the slippers on and smug grin, saying I'm so glad I prepared for this! 
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2020, 04:06:57 PM
what sort of an outfit would pull this one

18 people working for a recruitment firm. They furlough 11 of them so presumably will claim the 80% from the government. The remaining 7 they are asking to keep working but on 80% of normal wage. That can't be right.

If they are working then it should be full pay, the company can only apply for this if it means as a business they can't do their job and they are effectively temp paid off (I could be wrong)

You could be flat out in recruitment at the minute depending on your line of work, Tech companies, food industry and obviously the medical supply chain are all looking staff. and they can work from home, interview online and so on.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: bannside on March 30, 2020, 04:52:35 PM
I've put a post on the China Coronavirus thread....just seeking feedback! Basically my UK boss has just purchased 250,000 self testing kits and wants us (normally his sales team) to sell them in our areas. All properly certified etc etc. He is selling them to us at around £12 each and says we should RRP at around £15.

Is this ethical? I'm in two minds whether to get involved...a few people will make a bit of profit but similar spec kits are going for over £100 in places.

The boss says it will bring a few quid into the business while the core business has shut down. Should I get involved? Would you. If someone asked YOU for a couple of thousand kits at £15 what would you say???  Easy £6k or walk away?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: delgany on March 30, 2020, 04:56:07 PM
A 20 % mark up isn't significant . You are providing a very valuable service. I LL TAKE 6 !
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 30, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
A full test or the Anti-body test?
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: screenexile on March 30, 2020, 05:06:51 PM
£3 mark up isn't obscene I wouldn't be worried about that but I'd be checking to make sure the tests are legit!!
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 30, 2020, 05:09:46 PM
£3 mark up isn't obscene I wouldn't be worried about that but I'd be checking to make sure the tests are legit!!

Financially you would probably be actually doing yourself considering the current climate.

Just check the accreditation on these things though, you leave yourself open to be nailed if this is something not 100%. Your still going to be much, much less of a bollox than Randox.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: TabClear on March 30, 2020, 05:18:07 PM
I've put a post on the China Coronavirus thread....just seeking feedback! Basically my UK boss has just purchased 250,000 self testing kits and wants us (normally his sales team) to sell them in our areas. All properly certified etc etc. He is selling them to us at around £12 each and says we should RRP at around £15.

Is this ethical? I'm in two minds whether to get involved...a few people will make a bit of profit but similar spec kits are going for over £100 in places.

The boss says it will bring a few quid into the business while the core business has shut down. Should I get involved? Would you. If someone asked YOU for a couple of thousand kits at £15 what would you say???  Easy £6k or walk away?

Is this been done through the business? i.e. is your UK boss selling the kits to "you" personally or the business? In that case is he selling personally?

From my side its ok if its all being done through the business and is providing a service/product that would not otherwise be provided. Ethically this it is a question for the business, I am not up to speed on this but is there an actual shortage of kits for frontline workers? If that were the case and this is diverting scarce products from people who really need them then I think its a problem.

Outside of this absolutely make sure the kits are properly accredited.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: TabClear on March 30, 2020, 05:21:19 PM
what sort of an outfit would pull this one

18 people working for a recruitment firm. They furlough 11 of them so presumably will claim the 80% from the government. The remaining 7 they are asking to keep working but on 80% of normal wage. That can't be right.

If they are working then it should be full pay, the company can only apply for this if it means as a business they can't do their job and they are effectively temp paid off (I could be wrong)

You could be flat out in recruitment at the minute depending on your line of work, Tech companies, food industry and obviously the medical supply chain are all looking staff. and they can work from home, interview online and so on.

It does seem wrong to ask some of the workforce to take a pay reduction down to what people doing no work are getting. If there is only enough work for 5 people they should furlough 13 and keep 5 on full pay. Some people, especially in that industry where its all about contacts might want to keep working even at the lower wage to protect their longterm interests.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: bannside on March 30, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
Cheers Tab Clear. I have just been sent all the certification..photos paperwork etc....anyone who would be remotely interested obviously would get a copy of that in advance.

At £15 for offering peace of mind, is that feasible, is it ethical, is it morally bang out of order or within the right boundaries. I dont know,  I'll sleep on it!

I'm not getting involved as a middleman, not taking payments etc. Just referring them to a properly audited registered legitimate business...and I'd get a couple of pounds commission.

Is my boss a shark or is he an entrepreneur? Is he providing a self service for peoples peace of mind that currently is not available on the market? He says hes making a  £3 on a kit but this goes towards paying a team in the workshop for doing the legwork/packaging etc.

If it goes towards keeping his company going and gives employment to 30 odd people is that really so bad? I've still mixed feelings that's why I put it out here...but the flow here atm seems to be go ahead no one is taking the piss.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
Good luck bannside, I wouldn’t worry too much
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: trailer on March 30, 2020, 07:42:32 PM
I have applied for the £10k grant to small businesses, if i get that it def will help a lot. I paid 7 staff full pay last week and only one even replied to say thanks, the rest didn't even acknowledge they got paid and for that reason alone i'm paying them 80% from this week (Furloughed) and hopefully in 2 weeks i can claim their wages back. I'm not looking them to kiss my ass but a thumbs up text would suffice.
The banks wouldn't lend me any money so i got my loan from the Credit Union, hopefully they can defer payments for a month or two.

The banks are being absolute c***ts. They should lend you the money. The gov is backing 80% of the loans. But what some banks are doing is selling normal loans if you qualify and asking for personal guarantees, then if you don't qualify you fall into the gov scheme.
Every business currently applying should automatically fall into the government backed scheme but the banks are profiteering on this global pandemic.

Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: bannside on March 30, 2020, 07:58:06 PM
Thanks MR but I have decided not to get any more involved other than to gladly pass on a few details for free. Just pm me your details and I'll fire you off the paperwork first for a look and enclose the contact details of the company in UK and if you go ahead or not, that's your call.

My feeling is that this product may go on general release in big chemists in a week or so, but atm a week is a long time if you need to know earlier. Do what you think is best.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2020, 08:31:51 PM
They could well be and the chemist won’t be cashing in on a pandemic! Jesus wept!

I’ll let you know
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: bannside on March 30, 2020, 09:06:16 PM
They'll probably give it away for free! They're like that lol.
Title: Re: Businesses the have acted the cnut during the Coronavirus Outbreak
Post by: hardstation on March 30, 2020, 10:01:33 PM
Thanks MR but I have decided not to get any more involved other than to gladly pass on a few details for free. Just pm me your details and I'll fire you off the paperwork first for a look and enclose the contact details of the company in UK and if you go ahead or not, that's your call.

My feeling is that this product may go on general release in big chemists in a week or so, but atm a week is a long time if you need to know earlier. Do what you think is best.

Ah, you fell for that one. Gallsman’s cutting your grass here. He’s taking orders via pm.