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Title: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 12:10:51 AM
Has there been one???

What the f**k do all the suits in Croke Park get paid for if not for moments like this??!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 12, 2020, 12:22:01 AM
They don't want their revenue to take a hit.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on March 12, 2020, 12:35:52 AM
Canít imagine any GAA games being played behind closed doors.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: giveballaghback on March 12, 2020, 01:06:37 AM
Canít imagine any GAA games being played behind closed doors.
Yes it will happen, if not this weekend then next weekend. They will want to complete the league before going into shutdown untill this is under control. I can see them cancelling the divisional finals and declaring the table toppers winners. What is happening in Cheltenham is wreckless at best and in a quickly evolving situation common sence must prevail.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on March 12, 2020, 07:24:24 AM
Has there been one???

What the f**k do all the suits in Croke Park get paid for if not for moments like this??!!

This is starting to move fast now. I can see a situation where the whole season is decimated. County championship and club football will be condensed into a small window between july, august and september if we can get it under control. The problem is thereís likely to be a second wave in the autumn.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 12, 2020, 07:35:33 AM
Walked into toilets in Brewster park and walked out, think there was one sink in corner and 50 people in the "building", all GAA grounds wouldn't have the best hygiene in the toilet department!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 12, 2020, 07:45:29 AM
Frankly I believe the GAA's response has been an absolute disgrace.

Safety of its members should be paramount - remember this is an amateur organisation with amateurs at the heart of the organisation.

As it stands the league games go ahead and our kids also have games this weekend.

Shocking
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 12, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
They need to keep the money flowing in, it always is and always will be about the money.  Sure there are individuals on here who's attitude is feck it just the old and sick will die, there's no accounting for folk.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 12, 2020, 08:22:10 AM
Our club went looking for some advice on what to publish to our members. Zero from the county board. Would you believe, some of county board are actually in Cheltenham! In the end I looked around and found on Cavan GAA twitter a modest update (My current club not in Cavan) and I found some good updates from individual clubs out there who took the lead on this themselves. So we have put something out to our members on social media. Its really poor from the GAA, no leadership what so ever.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on March 12, 2020, 08:48:58 AM
Our club has posted advice to its members and players (of all age groups). At least they have taken steps.
Nothing from the County Board (that I'm aware of). Fixtures will be suspended.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 12, 2020, 10:04:14 AM
My son plays basketball, all of his training and matches are now off for the foreseeable future. They got their direction from basketball Ireland - his GAA team are playing away and the club say they have had no direction from anyone. They have training tonight, as have the girls team and seniors. The club will be a hive of activity, as will most clubs.
Either the GAA have their heads in the sand or they have a clear strategy that they are following. Not sure which.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on March 12, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
The last two rounds should be behind closed doors.
Ideally an exception could be made for a local streaming services to broadcast any that are not on TV.

How many young and older bucks are due back around the clubs after coming back from Cheltenham? If they go training with lads this weekend the whole thing could be done either way and the club championships are fecked if cases start popping up.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 10:34:11 AM
My son plays basketball, all of his training and matches are now off for the foreseeable future. They got their direction from basketball Ireland - his GAA team are playing away and the club say they have had no direction from anyone. They have training tonight, as have the girls team and seniors. The club will be a hive of activity, as will most clubs.
Either the GAA have their heads in the sand or they have a clear strategy that they are following. Not sure which.

Nobody is sure... if they are following a clear strategy why aren't they telling us they're doing this??

Make a decision and explain it this doing nothing head in the sand nonsense does nobody any good!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 12, 2020, 10:39:50 AM
GAA are part of the problem and it goes to show when there is a crisis they have no leadership. The GAA should have it's members as the number 1 priority. While some consider it an extreme measure playing games behind closed, it is a sensible measure. It is a better option than giving a virus free reign to travel from person to person across different parts of the country.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 11:17:00 AM
The GPA have even released some guidelines!!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: naka on March 12, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
call the season off
positions as is  deal with promotion and relegation
this is a serious issue we are facing and the suits in Dublin need to show keadership
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on March 12, 2020, 11:49:07 AM
Croke park will surely be making a stated in light of the announcement by Leo.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 12, 2020, 11:59:22 AM
Forget behind closed doors matches. Cancel the matches. Players and back room team will still be at risk.

If thereís no All Ireland championships this year, well then, thatís just the way it is. Itís only sport. Peoples lives are far more important.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 12:02:19 PM
call the season off
positions as is  deal with promotion and relegation
this is a serious issue we are facing and the suits in Dublin need to show keadership

Call the season off and forget about promotion and relegation.

Same teams in same divisions next year and go again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on March 12, 2020, 12:12:00 PM
call the season off
positions as is  deal with promotion and relegation
this is a serious issue we are facing and the suits in Dublin need to show keadership

Call the season off and forget about promotion and relegation.

Same teams in same divisions next year and go again.


so long as Tyrone can play Kerry and Dublin again next year on bad pitches.

in all seriousness, i have to agree that the GAA response has been really poor on this. they need to make a statement asap.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on March 12, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
Potential for this week's league games now to be cancelled going by Varadkar's statement?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 12:25:44 PM
Potential for this week's league games now to be cancelled going by Varadkar's statement?

I took it as they were definitely going to be off.

If you were a player, would you want to play?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on March 12, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
Potential for this week's league games now to be cancelled going by Varadkar's statement?

I took it as they were definitely going to be off.

If you were a player, would you want to play?

You'd assume so but nothing official yet from the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
Dublin have shut everything down. . . terrible that the a unit of the GAA is showing more leadership than the governing body!!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 12, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
GAA are meeting this afternoon "to make a decision" according to recent release.

No panic there lads, take your time!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 12, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
Dublin have shut everything down. . . terrible that the a unit of the GAA is showing more leadership than the governing body!!!
Presumably all the CC delegates/members would have to be consulted plus Co Chairs etc before any announcement.
We wouldn't want the paid "suits in Croke Park" dictating would we?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 12, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
Antrim GAA have requested that clubs suspend all activities from tomorrow until further notice..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ambrose on March 12, 2020, 01:38:01 PM
GAA will confirm in next hour that as of midnight there is a blanket ban on ALL activity at every age level.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 01:38:53 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

You didn't need to make a decision on a shutdown a few weeks ago.

More like recommended advice on what to do now, what is the path forward and what the trigger points for any decisions will be.

With that framework in place, then everyone knows where they stand as the situation evolves.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on March 12, 2020, 01:47:48 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

I agree Wobbler - however we live in an age of social media crazed fanatics.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA werenít?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isnít on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didnít!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Keyser soze on March 12, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
Wobbler you are wasting your time, anyone that thinks dealing with Covid 19 is the responsibility of the GAA is beyond rational argument, a wry smile at the idiots and let them post their nonsense unmolested. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 12, 2020, 01:49:58 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Did every u7 know where their managers / coaches visited lately, who they were in contact with, who had drank from the communal water bottles being fired around - stop trying to score points I know more than you and get the f**k of your high horse.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 12, 2020, 01:50:43 PM
Wobbler you are wasting your time, anyone that thinks dealing with Covid 19 is the responsibility of the GAA is beyond rational argument, a wry smile at the idiots and let them post their nonsense unmolested.

A ridiculous statement - who said it was!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 01:52:42 PM
Could they not finish the last 2 rounds of the League in Dubai or somewhere there is no Covid 19 restriction ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:54:42 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA werenít?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isnít on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didnít!!

Why were Dublin, Antrim and Meath able to make the call?

1. Because the government did it for them.
2. Most likely dictated by the chair/Secretary CEO, and agreed (ironically) on WhatsApp this morning. Itís a no brainer once schools are closed.
3. The GAA has a wider remit than any county board, including cross-jurisdiction.


óó

Why the silence the past fortnight?

You seem to be confusing the GAA with government. When the latter is being covert, sensitive, wary, unsure, itís not the role of a sporting association to ride in with guns firing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 12, 2020, 01:54:46 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Having a different point of view from yours isn't being demanding or twisty. It's an opinion. I think the GAA should have taken the lead. It's a sporting organisation. So it's a much easier decision to make for the GAA than for the schools and businesses. You could argue that the kids sit beside each other in school therefore closing anything is pointless. It's not. It reduces the risk. Maybe not substantially but anything that can help at this earlier stage should be done.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA werenít?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isnít on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didnít!!

Why were Dublin, Antrim and Meath able to make the call?

1. Because the government did it for them.
2. Most likely dictated by the chair/Secretary CEO, and agreed (ironically) on WhatsApp this morning. Itís a no brainer once schools are closed.
3. The GAA has a wider remit than any county board, including cross-jurisdiction.


óó

Why the silence the past fortnight?

You seem to be confusing the GAA with government. When the latter is being covert, sensitive, wary, unsure, itís not the role of a sporting association to ride in with guns firing.

The Government at least released guidelines the GAA didn't even have so much as a video on how to wash your hands properly . . . they have a far greater reach than the news or traditional media would. They have a health and wellbeing unit in Croke Park surely this falls into their remit!

I also don't buy the County boards shutting down before the GAA presumably they had to do this in conjunction with the GAA in which case should the organisation as a whole not have taken the lead??

Why were basketball Ireland able to call a full shutdown last night while they GAA had to wait until after it's individual units had gone ahead with it?

At the end of the day the right decision was made but the GAA should learn lessons for the next time we have a situation like this and going forward as there will be more hard choices to make before this situation abates.

They're called the leadership for a reason... they need to lead!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on March 12, 2020, 02:26:37 PM
This has just been issued to season ticket holders -

   
Covid-19 - GAA Allianz National League Update


A Chara

In light of this morningís Government announcement, the GAA, An Cumann CamůgaŪochta and the Ladies Gaelic Football Association have decided to suspend all activity at club, county and educational levels until March 29 (inclusive) from midnight.

This is to include all games, training and team gatherings at all ages and all grades.

We will continue to liaise with Government officials and review the situation between now and the end of the month, assessing the impact of these measures on our competitions.

In the meantime, the Association is encouraging all members to continue to follow the guidelines which have been provided by the Health Authorities.

GAA Ticket Office
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: NAG1 on March 12, 2020, 02:42:03 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.

What less than a couple of hours after the government statement to the same effect, after following advice of government departments for the previous couple of weeks?  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 12, 2020, 02:42:29 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA werenít?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isnít on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didnít!!

Why were Dublin, Antrim and Meath able to make the call?

1. Because the government did it for them.
2. Most likely dictated by the chair/Secretary CEO, and agreed (ironically) on WhatsApp this morning. Itís a no brainer once schools are closed.
3. The GAA has a wider remit than any county board, including cross-jurisdiction.


óó

Why the silence the past fortnight?

You seem to be confusing the GAA with government. When the latter is being covert, sensitive, wary, unsure, itís not the role of a sporting association to ride in with guns firing.

The Government at least released guidelines the GAA didn't even have so much as a video on how to wash your hands properly . . . they have a far greater reach than the news or traditional media would. They have a health and wellbeing unit in Croke Park surely this falls into their remit!

I also don't buy the County boards shutting down before the GAA presumably they had to do this in conjunction with the GAA in which case should the organisation as a whole not have taken the lead??

Why were basketball Ireland able to call a full shutdown last night while they GAA had to wait until after it's individual units had gone ahead with it?

At the end of the day the right decision was made but the GAA should learn lessons for the next time we have a situation like this and going forward as there will be more hard choices to make before this situation abates.

They're called the leadership for a reason... they need to lead!!

FFS, are we wanting the GAA to tell us how to wash our hands now?

Come on people, get real now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 12, 2020, 03:10:08 PM
They'll want the GAA to wipe their behind next  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.

What less than a couple of hours after the government statement to the same effect, after following advice of government departments for the previous couple of weeks?  ::)


I expect us to lead that's all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on March 12, 2020, 04:03:08 PM
Nobody died because the GAA waited til the afternoon today rather than rushing an announcement ahead of the government.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 04:50:10 PM
Nobody died because the GAA waited til the afternoon today rather than rushing an announcement ahead of the government.

Didnít you hear? Two juggernauts are currently on a road not big enough for both, and look like meeting each other head at some indiscernible time in the future. Had the GAA been bothered to put a few ďslow downĒ signs on the road last week, this surely would have helped.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on March 12, 2020, 04:58:00 PM
Personally, I'm disappointed, was really looking forward to Armagh v Roscommon on Saturday night, but we're in a unique situation at present.  I'd a weird feeling leaving Enniskillen last weekend that it could be the last game for a while, and here we are.  I think a resumption in 2 weeks is very optimistic, but here's hoping.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on March 12, 2020, 04:59:40 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.

What less than a couple of hours after the government statement to the same effect, after following advice of government departments for the previous couple of weeks?  ::)


I expect us to lead that's all.

Why would the GAA lead on this, have they the relevant medical experts to come to medical conclusions. The government has medical advisors to advise - so the government leads and the GAA follows. This is exactly what happened here. Exactly how it should be.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 05:17:58 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.

What less than a couple of hours after the government statement to the same effect, after following advice of government departments for the previous couple of weeks?  ::)


I expect us to lead that's all.

Why would the GAA lead on this, have they the relevant medical experts to come to medical conclusions. The government has medical advisors to advise - so the government leads and the GAA follows. This is exactly what happened here. Exactly how it should be.

As the largest community organisation in the country should the GAA not have been proactive with the authorities in assisting information campaigns/advice to members etc.? God knows how many millions of people in the country are involved in GAA Whatsapp groups across the country the GAA could definitely have done more!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the ďGAA has a responsibilityĒ in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 12, 2020, 06:09:43 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the ďGAA has a responsibilityĒ in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?

You take personal responsibility when it comes to your own personal hygeine. It's other people that don't.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 12, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months

You think shorter or longer?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 12, 2020, 06:15:50 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months

You think shorter or longer?

Longer with the approach UK and US are taking.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months

You think shorter or longer?
Shorter.
Lots of people saying viruses are less effective in summer
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 12, 2020, 07:00:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.
Can someone post that article up as its behind a pay wall for me.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on March 12, 2020, 07:29:10 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.
Can someone post that article up as its behind a pay wall for me.
I am not an IT subscriber but I could access it through a special portal


Abandoned GAA leagues and restructured championships on the cards

There may be no option but to defer the introduction of the Taliteann Cup until 2021


A major revamp of the GAA season will have to be considered with abandoned leagues and restructured championships on the cards.

These possibilities arise as the association reviews its position after Thursdayís announcement that the country would be subject to nationwide restrictions until the end of March.

The outlining of emergency measures came as an inevitable conclusion to a week of intensifying concerns about the spread of coronoavirus.

Sports organisations have all along been following the policy of being guided by public health authorities and up and down the country, organising committees for the various national league fixtures were planning contingencies for matches going ahead or being played behind closed doors.

The latter solution wasnít considered desirable for a couple of reasons: control of those seeking to attend, concern for players, who would be in close proximity for well over an hour of physical contact and the necessity to act and be seen to act decisively.

The decision, announced later in the day, that all Gaelic games activities would be halted provides a clean break in schedules and will allow time for the relevant GAA officials to plan what to do with the remainder of the season.

ďIn all of this, public health is the first priority,Ē said one source, ďand then second, business and peopleís livelihoods. Sport comes third. Weíll be sitting down between now and 29th March to work out where we go from here.Ē

That will be no small detail. Despite the ravages of the weather, the leagues were within a couple of weeks of being concluded. Allowing for what even at this stage looks the benign interpretation that things will be significantly improved by the end of March, there is simply no room to find those weeks for the league.

It might be possible to defer the various divisional finals until later in the year but Division 1 of the hurling league is only at the quarter-final stage. Mobilising April, the month advanced as an inter-county-free zone in the past two years, does not appear to be an option.

First, it was created to benefit clubs and their players and there is no appetite to infringe on that except for maybe a couple of fixtures that might give clarity to next yearís league. Secondly, it would only arise as a possibility if there was a lifting or partial lifting of restrictions by the end of March - a prospect not viewed as a likelihood by any of the stakeholders.

There is, counter-intuitively, less interest in the destination of the prizes at stake in the league than in the orderly resolution of the competitionís composition for 2021 - essentially, relegation and promotion issues.

As for championship, it wouldnít be hugely affected were the 29th March to prove the end of restrictions but in the more likely event that the public health situation still isnít resolved more radical measures will be required.

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

One of the more contentious aspects of the championship has been the establishment of the Tailteann Cup, a graded football championship for counties in Divisions Three and Four of next yearís league.

Immediately there is the problem that as the league has not been concluded, the composition of those divisions is as yet unknown. Again, this will come down to how soon the season can re-start. Were it possible in the event of even slightly eased restrictions, a couple of relevant fixtures could be staged behind closed doors to give definition to the situation.

Realistically, though there may be no option but to abandon this yearís leagues and defer the introduction of the Taliteann Cup until 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on March 12, 2020, 08:30:32 PM
Nobody died because the GAA waited til the afternoon today rather than rushing an announcement ahead of the government.

Didnít you hear? Two juggernauts are currently on a road not big enough for both, and look like meeting each other head at some indiscernible time in the future. Had the GAA been bothered to put a few ďslow downĒ signs on the road last week, this surely would have helped.

An odd analogy, and a weak one. There weren't even that many games played in the past week.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 08:36:14 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months

You think shorter or longer?
Shorter.
Lots of people saying viruses are less effective in summer

Well lots of people probably need to have a look at the weather in Tehran and then draw their conclusions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on March 12, 2020, 09:06:26 PM
A knockout Championship for the year would be interesting, if it came to that
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 13, 2020, 04:05:34 AM
If it goes to knockout make it open draw 32 teams forget provincials
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 13, 2020, 04:48:48 AM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA werenít?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isnít on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didnít!!

Why were Dublin, Antrim and Meath able to make the call?

1. Because the government did it for them.
2. Most likely dictated by the chair/Secretary CEO, and agreed (ironically) on WhatsApp this morning. Itís a no brainer once schools are closed.
3. The GAA has a wider remit than any county board, including cross-jurisdiction.


óó

Why the silence the past fortnight?

You seem to be confusing the GAA with government. When the latter is being covert, sensitive, wary, unsure, itís not the role of a sporting association to ride in with guns firing.

The Government at least released guidelines the GAA didn't even have so much as a video on how to wash your hands properly . . . they have a far greater reach than the news or traditional media would. They have a health and wellbeing unit in Croke Park surely this falls into their remit!

I also don't buy the County boards shutting down before the GAA presumably they had to do this in conjunction with the GAA in which case should the organisation as a whole not have taken the lead??

Why were basketball Ireland able to call a full shutdown last night while they GAA had to wait until after it's individual units had gone ahead with it?

At the end of the day the right decision was made but the GAA should learn lessons for the next time we have a situation like this and going forward as there will be more hard choices to make before this situation abates.

They're called the leadership for a reason... they need to lead!!

And when they do lead they're called dictators. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 13, 2020, 09:55:58 AM
If it goes to knockout make it open draw 32 teams forget provincials
No thanks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the ďGAA has a responsibilityĒ in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?

Can't we have both???
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 13, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the ďGAA has a responsibilityĒ in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?

Can't we have both???

Of course we should have both!

Everyone needs to make the right decision for themselves first and foremost. As a coach of 2 teams in my club I have a responsibility to my players to provide direction and leadership in their best interest. I asked the club for a directive on it (as we have a match on Saturday which had not been cancelled) who in turn asked the county board. The county board said they were awaiting advice and direction from Croke Park. It came eventually, thankfully, but it was slow and was behind other sports. Had it not come we had made a club decision that we were not going to field.

Thewobblers assertion that the GAA didnt need to to anything in this instance is just nonsense.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maroon Manc on March 13, 2020, 12:06:44 PM
A knockout Championship for the year would be interesting, if it came to that

Would be although unlike the soccer we've time on our side.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 13, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
Club county championships can be played off in 3 or  4 weeks like in tyrone 16 teams play every weekend no replays also can do it quicker if bring in mid week games  dublin can go to a 16 team knockout instead of groups
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on March 13, 2020, 12:37:31 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the ďGAA has a responsibilityĒ in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?

Can't we have both???

Of course we should have both!

Everyone needs to make the right decision for themselves first and foremost. As a coach of 2 teams in my club I have a responsibility to my players to provide direction and leadership in their best interest. I asked the club for a directive on it (as we have a match on Saturday which had not been cancelled) who in turn asked the county board. The county board said they were awaiting advice and direction from Croke Park. It came eventually, thankfully, but it was slow and was behind other sports. Had it not come we had made a club decision that we were not going to field.

Thewobblers assertion that the GAA didnt need to to anything in this instance is just nonsense.
Where did Wobbler assert that the GAA didn't need to do anything in this instance?
Now we have chinese whispers.

Personal responsibility overides, how one interacts in their home and outside with elderly people, smokers etc, and vice versa.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 13, 2020, 04:39:03 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the ďGAA has a responsibilityĒ in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?



https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/watch-gaa-president-john-horan-encourages-gaa-clubs-to-look-after-the-most-vulne/ (https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/watch-gaa-president-john-horan-encourages-gaa-clubs-to-look-after-the-most-vulne/)

Transcript below if you can't play the video. You've another person to object to as strongly as possible here.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: blanketattack on March 14, 2020, 09:48:03 AM
The Kerry County Board have confirmed today that David Clifford has tested positive


...for being the best footballer in Ireland
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on March 14, 2020, 04:35:46 PM
Is it the fancy dans who were due to play New York this may ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 14, 2020, 07:34:33 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the ďGAA has a responsibilityĒ in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?



https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/watch-gaa-president-john-horan-encourages-gaa-clubs-to-look-after-the-most-vulne/ (https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/watch-gaa-president-john-horan-encourages-gaa-clubs-to-look-after-the-most-vulne/)

Transcript below if you can't play the video. You've another person to object to as strongly as possible here.

Exactly the kind of thing the GAA should be advocating... this is leadership!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 14, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
Is it the fancy dans who were due to play New York this may ?
Yeah and I think Sligo are due to play London.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 14, 2020, 11:58:18 PM
Ros are due to play London.
Probably wont be happening......
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 15, 2020, 01:22:58 PM
gaa got lucky moving the club championships to january
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 15, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
Is it the fancy dans who were due to play New York this may ?
Yeah and I think Sligo are due to play London.


We've Galway or NY. Though I can't see it happening now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mouview on March 15, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
The Kerry County Board have confirmed today that David Clifford has tested positive


...for being the best footballer in Ireland

Galway county board mounting an appeal.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on March 15, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
For the Galway-NY and Roscommon-London matches, I can't see them going ahead at any point this year now, at this stage if we see any Championship this year at all we'll be doing well.

Shane Walsh in with a good shout for the best player in 2020 so far but it's only league performances and absolutely irrelevant in the face of the pandemic affecting Ireland and the rest of the world to be honest.

Sport is so small in the scheme of things but you would miss it all the same, you'd always read about the championships long ago completed in the following year for whatever reason, I think that's where we are at unless there is an unforseen and dramatic improvement in the overall global situation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 15, 2020, 10:54:19 PM
Whatever about the response of HQ, the response of local grassroots gaa has been tremendous. Cancelled training before the order, meetings cancelled, lottos cancelled. Offers to the communities vulnerable to help get shopping etc. The grassroots are the glue that holds society together.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 15, 2020, 11:35:43 PM
Whatever about the response of HQ, the response of local grassroots gaa has been tremendous. Cancelled training before the order, meetings cancelled, lottos cancelled. Offers to the communities vulnerable to help get shopping etc. The grassroots are the glue that holds society together.

Very true Itchy. Compared to the muppets in the Dublin pubs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on March 15, 2020, 11:51:13 PM
Whatever about the response of HQ, the response of local grassroots gaa has been tremendous. Cancelled training before the order, meetings cancelled, lottos cancelled. Offers to the communities vulnerable to help get shopping etc. The grassroots are the glue that holds society together.
Have to agree with you itchy. Our club has been leading the way with help and support for the elderly and vulnerable people in our community at this time.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 16, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
For the Galway-NY and Roscommon-London matches, I can't see them going ahead at any point this year now, at this stage if we see any Championship this year at all we'll be doing well.

Shane Walsh in with a good shout for the best player in 2020 so far but it's only league performances and absolutely irrelevant in the face of the pandemic affecting Ireland and the rest of the world to be honest.

Sport is so small in the scheme of things but you would miss it all the same, you'd always read about the championships long ago completed in the following year for whatever reason, I think that's where we are at unless there is an unforseen and dramatic improvement in the overall global situation.
https://www.the42.ie/galway-uncertain-new-york-championship-5047442-Mar2020/?

I'd think most would agree the chances of the London, New York championship games going ahead in May is between slim and none. I'd hope supporters that was to travel over will get some refunds on flights and accommodation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on March 16, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 16, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future

It is a good idea though. Croke park is a big site, not going to be used in present crisis, where everyone knows where it is.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Armagh18 on March 16, 2020, 11:24:11 PM
Whatever about the response of HQ, the response of local grassroots gaa has been tremendous. Cancelled training before the order, meetings cancelled, lottos cancelled. Offers to the communities vulnerable to help get shopping etc. The grassroots are the glue that holds society together.
Absolutely great to see. Makes you proud to be part of the GAA. One big family at the end of the day.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 17, 2020, 12:00:14 AM
Great to see the GAA getting out and leading after being behind for a few weeks.

Itís what the organisation is about and I have no doubt the GAAís role will have been huge when this is all over in terms of looking after the vulnerable and assisting the authorities with communication and offering club grounds and property to help.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 17, 2020, 09:01:25 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future
It is like a state of war .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on March 17, 2020, 08:25:03 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future
It is like a state of war .
https://twitter.com/JustinMcNu1ty/status/1240008612052963329?s=20
This is unbelievable...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on March 18, 2020, 12:13:23 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future
It is like a state of war .
https://twitter.com/JustinMcNu1ty/status/1240008612052963329?s=20
This is unbelievable...

I did not know Justin was an MLA.

Out of touch!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 18, 2020, 04:16:05 PM
Cork Co Board making PŠirc UŪ Chaoimh available to the HSE for a test centre.
Several Counties have postponed all proposed April Championship fixtures en bloc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on March 18, 2020, 04:25:42 PM
New York and Galway, scheduled to take place in Gaelic Park, New York on May 3rd, has been postponed.

The future for this fixture will be considered at a later date and in the context of the anticipated overall re-drawing of the national fixtures calendar for 2020 as necessitated by the ongoing disruption to the GAA games programme.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 18, 2020, 05:05:27 PM
I expect that won't be played till May 2021.
Any Connacht Championship that might get played this year will not have NY in it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 05:09:36 PM
North American Continental Youth Championship, to be held in San Francisco this year, is canceled.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
I wonder if more GAA facilities around the country could be pressed into service, whether for testing or treatment. So many community halls in so many locations, it's a massive network when you think about it. Combined with the likes of the civil defense and armed forces, it might be possible to get enough manpower together to fight this thing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on March 18, 2020, 10:32:50 PM
I expect that won't be played till May 2021.
Any Connacht Championship that might get played this year will not have NY in it.

As in the New York Galway game as the opener of the 2021 Championship or as in there will be no Championship this year?

I'm beginning to think with the latter, the window is shortening and I think this virus will only begin to peak in Ireland in April/May time and every precaution has to be taken.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on March 19, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 19, 2020, 01:19:37 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Why not? If people do not mingle then the virus stops. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on March 19, 2020, 01:37:56 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Why not? If people do not mingle then the virus stops.

It is as simple as that, nowhere to spread to then it can't spread.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Yes, afterall China has been basically in lockdown since the end of January.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 19, 2020, 03:30:22 PM
Using that John Hopkins university data, off the 3,249 deaths in the whole of China 3,130 deaths were in Hubei province.

Some of the other provinces which are far larger than a lot of European countries in terms of population are posting 22 deaths and less.

That is some reduction in mortality from when it started in Hubei to when it spread to the other provinces, so they must have been doing something right when they decided that they actually had a problem.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 19, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Yes, afterall China has been basically in lockdown since the end of January.

Why would they continually report all these cases and deaths and then suddenly say 0 as well.

Even say they are say 20 or 30 cases out in accuracy which granted they may be it is still hugely improved so like others say they really must be doing something right.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 04:17:52 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Yes, afterall China has been basically in lockdown since the end of January.

Why would they continually report all these cases and deaths and then suddenly say 0 as well.

Even say they are say 20 or 30 cases out in accuracy which granted they may be it is still hugely improved so like others say they really must be doing something right.

Their last number of reported cases came from overseas travel which is stopped now and that might explain the zero figure. They are doing something right and others ourselves included no matter how stubborn must follow their lead.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 19, 2020, 05:55:33 PM
I see O'Neills in Strabane are temporarily 750 workers.
Sad news everywhere.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 19, 2020, 06:41:04 PM
A lot of cases in ROI today, if you believe  the data 3 times that of whole UK.

Using that John Hopkins university data, off the 3,249 deaths in the whole of China 3,130 deaths were in Hubei province.

Some of the other provinces which are far larger than a lot of European countries in terms of population are posting 22 deaths and less.

That is some reduction in mortality from when it started in Hubei to when it spread to the other provinces, so they must have been doing something right when they decided that they actually had a problem.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

If you can treat people then the death rate will be modest and  people in severe  difficulty anyhow. If the health service gets overrun then 5 times as many die, and these might have lived for decades in some cases. That what flattening the curve is all about.

I see Nowlan park now to be a drive in centre. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 20, 2020, 09:57:55 AM
Using that John Hopkins university data, off the 3,249 deaths in the whole of China 3,130 deaths were in Hubei province.

Some of the other provinces which are far larger than a lot of European countries in terms of population are posting 22 deaths and less.

That is some reduction in mortality from when it started in Hubei to when it spread to the other provinces, so they must have been doing something right when they decided that they actually had a problem.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
Are they classifying deaths correctly though?
They had stats like Italy and suddenly everything stopped.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 20, 2020, 10:27:50 AM
Lots of moving parts to this but in answer to some of the comments above the data is there to suggest:

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.

2. Unfortunately, the west didn't learn the lessons and ignored the problem until it was too late. The west put their economies ahead of people with a tinge of racism and superiority and is now going to pay a hefty price unfortunately

3. Ireland is doing better in my view than most of Europe and the US but we're still not testing nearly enough and we should have had a full lockdown much, much sooner.

4. Spain, Switzerland, UK, France, Germany - stats look really bad when you look at infection rates and testing rates per capita. This is a huge worry for us in Ireland as I think while we're going to be in trouble, these other bigger countries will be much worse.

There are of course many unknowns such as how effective contact tracing and social distancing are from place to place. My read is that in Ireland the authorities are bullish about the success of their contact tracing efforts and hence we haven't gone full lockdown. I really hope they're right and my worry is that while our testing effort thus far has been better than some, it's still not at a level to give you confidence.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 20, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Back to the GAA.

Has any CB's frozen admin fees for clubs?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 20, 2020, 12:12:42 PM
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1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.

Yes, they did. This is largely because they had worked out strategies for SARS and redeployed these.

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2. Unfortunately, the west didn't learn the lessons and ignored the problem until it was too late. The west put their economies ahead of people with a tinge of racism and superiority and is now going to pay a hefty price unfortunately

This is only partly true. The virus spread to different places in Europe, making it hard  to pin down.

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3. Ireland is doing better in my view than most of Europe and the US but we're still not testing nearly enough and we should have had a full lockdown much, much sooner.

Remember too that places like Singapore have never had a  full lockdown, nor have schools closed there, they rely on testing and comprehensive contact tracing to keep a lid on things. As an island with a similar population, we could do likewise, if the DUP weren't scoring political points.





Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on March 20, 2020, 01:38:11 PM
Back to the GAA.

Has any CB's frozen admin fees for clubs?
We haven't heard anything anyway. They'll probably wait until the next phase of shutdown is announced. Surely that will come in the next few days? Ban at the minute only goes to next Sunday - do you think they'll call it for all of April like the soccer?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 20, 2020, 01:41:15 PM
I'd say they'll close all activity till 1st May at least.
Realistically are we talking 1st July though?

PŠirc UŪ Chaoimh and Limerick Gaelic Grounds to be used as Test Centres.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on March 20, 2020, 02:23:52 PM
Lots of moving parts to this but in answer to some of the comments above the data is there to suggest:

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.

2. Unfortunately, the west didn't learn the lessons and ignored the problem until it was too late. The west put their economies ahead of people with a tinge of racism and superiority and is now going to pay a hefty price unfortunately

3. Ireland is doing better in my view than most of Europe and the US but we're still not testing nearly enough and we should have had a full lockdown much, much sooner.

4. Spain, Switzerland, UK, France, Germany - stats look really bad when you look at infection rates and testing rates per capita. This is a huge worry for us in Ireland as I think while we're going to be in trouble, these other bigger countries will be much worse.

There are of course many unknowns such as how effective contact tracing and social distancing are from place to place. My read is that in Ireland the authorities are bullish about the success of their contact tracing efforts and hence we haven't gone full lockdown. I really hope they're right and my worry is that while our testing effort thus far has been better than some, it's still not at a level to give you confidence.

I'd agree with this but I think Ireland benefited massively from being a small island on the outer West of Europe.

I think the South reacted much more seriously than the Tory/Unionist cabal up North, but travel should have been locked down on this island over a full month ago from infected areas. We were in a fantastic position to minimise the impact here but the horse had bolted long before the gate was shut.

The next few weeks will really tell us all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 20, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
Back to the GAA.

Has any CB's frozen admin fees for clubs?
We haven't heard anything anyway. They'll probably wait until the next phase of shutdown is announced. Surely that will come in the next few days? Ban at the minute only goes to next Sunday - do you think they'll call it for all of April like the soccer?

April is a given, along with May and June at the very least.

We're not into the teeth of this yet, that's still a few weeks away.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fionntamhnach on March 20, 2020, 05:07:47 PM

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.

2. Unfortunately, the west didn't learn the lessons and ignored the problem until it was too late. The west put their economies ahead of people with a tinge of racism and superiority and is now going to pay a hefty price unfortunately

China initially made a complete balls up of dealing with the initial outbreak, largely down to the suppression of information between various levels of authority - a not uncommon problem in many authoritarian regimes given the way how bureaucrats & officials in them can be cowered to not speak of any report or suggestion that threatens to contradict the policy line of higher up's. Only once the information of the size of the outbreak could not be kept shielded from Xi Jing Ping did shit started to get sorted with the implementation of a major lockdown that locals were tolerating of knowing they live in a mass surveillance state. However in countries with stronger civil liberties, such restrictions to be imposed on their own residents would largely have been politically impossible to implement until the situation started to hit close to home - and unfortunately for Europe, it's taken Italy to be the Guinea pig to show how deadly it can be.

Experience also counts here. East and SE Asian countries have a good bit of recent experience in trying to deal with possible pandemics over the last few years and so have had action plans in place to deal with future cases. Europe? Less so, largely down to a lack of such outbreaks (your reasoning as to why may vary) and would in turn have less preparations in place. Indeed, the Swiss would be perhaps the most "prepared" country in Europe in having plans in place to deal with a scenario like this and even they are struggling to keep it under control within their borders.

In the current time, Ireland (the Republic of) would appear to be doing reasonably well in keeping a lid on things compared to some other western and central European countries and working towards the "flattening the bell curve". Geography is certainly a help here, but it perhaps also helps that the Taoiseach is a qualified GP whom you'd expect to very quickly pick up the public health consequences of such a pandemic, not to mention that the population has over the last few years not generally succumbed to anti-intellectual populism that has afflicted some other western nations. Indeed for a country which is often regarded as having an anti-authority bent, compliance with government advice and orders has been largely successful (bar a few pubs).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 20, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/rugby/irfu-and-provinces-agree-payment-deferral-model-989206.html


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Buckass on March 21, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
''perhaps also helps that the Taoiseach is a qualified GP whom you'd expect to very quickly pick up the public health consequences of such a pandemic''


Probably made a balls of that quote thingy but that's cheered me up this morning. Leo is a good speaker, presentable who had the sense to re appoint John Concannon to oversee the spin and get the right lines for him 'Not all superheroes wear capes etc', but please...don't give his GP status some super-insight to a pandemic when he was in Washington pressing the flesh the day after his expert group insisted there was no problem with people going to Cheltenham.
Is Fionntamhnach John Concannon?




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 21, 2020, 05:28:19 PM
''perhaps also helps that the Taoiseach is a qualified GP whom you'd expect to very quickly pick up the public health consequences of such a pandemic''


Probably made a balls of that quote thingy but that's cheered me up this morning. Leo is a good speaker, presentable who had the sense to re appoint John Concannon to oversee the spin and get the right lines for him 'Not all superheroes wear capes etc', but please...don't give his GP status some super-insight to a pandemic when he was in Washington pressing the flesh the day after his expert group insisted there was no problem with people going to Cheltenham.
Is Fionntamhnach John Concannon?


And then they panicked and he had to announce school closures from Washington.

His partner works in the HSE - did you know that Buckass??  ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Downtothewire on March 21, 2020, 11:15:06 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/rugby/irfu-and-provinces-agree-payment-deferral-model-989206.html

Tyrone might have to consider doing the same  ;)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on March 22, 2020, 02:08:47 AM
Back to the GAA.

Has any CB's frozen admin fees for clubs?
We haven't heard anything anyway. They'll probably wait until the next phase of shutdown is announced. Surely that will come in the next few days? Ban at the minute only goes to next Sunday - do you think they'll call it for all of April like the soccer?

April is a given, along with May and June at the very least.

We're not into the teeth of this yet, that's still a few weeks away.

Sometime in August but then the 2nd Wave is supposed to start and whatever versions arrive with wintery weather so since there will be no point in starting something that cannot be finished....
Unlikely to be anything in 2020 games wise.
Nobody will be going out to watch games even if they were somehow to be played.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 22, 2020, 06:41:24 PM
How many GAA grounds are being used as testing centres? I see PŠirc UŪ Caoimh has joined the effort.
None in the 6 counties, of course.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2020, 07:15:11 PM
How many GAA grounds are being used as testing centres? I see PŠirc UŪ Caoimh has joined the effort.
None in the 6 counties, of course.

Seen Bettystown must be a testing centre at the minute
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 22, 2020, 07:28:07 PM
How many GAA grounds are being used as testing centres? I see PŠirc UŪ Caoimh has joined the effort.
None in the 6 counties, of course.
Croker, De PŠirc,  PŠirc na nGael and Nowlan Park that I've seen mentioned.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clonadmad on March 22, 2020, 07:38:49 PM
How many GAA grounds are being used as testing centres? I see PŠirc UŪ Caoimh has joined the effort.
None in the 6 counties, of course.
Croker, De PŠirc,  PŠirc na nGael and Nowlan Park that I've seen mentioned.

Thurles and OíMoore Park on standby if needed
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 23, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2020/03/22/exclusive-players-unions-hold-emergency-talks-amid-fears-mental/

Player unions representing the UK's biggest sports will hold emergency talks on Tuesday to discuss the impact the coronavirus pandemic is having on their members amid fears of a mental health crisis among sportsmen and women.

Representatives from the Rugby Players Association, Professional Cricketers Association, Professional Footballers Association and PFA Scotland are planning to meet via conference call with growing concerns over salary cuts, job losses and athlete wellbeing.  Sports are expecting a spike in players seeking mental health support over the coming weeks and months, while the RPA is making arrangements for increased help in the area of financial advice after Premiership players discovered last week that they would be taking reductions in pay until the competition resumes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 23, 2020, 01:03:08 PM
Must be tough being expected to survive on less than Ä100k per week.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 23, 2020, 03:21:58 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-could-coronavirus-give-the-gaa-a-chance-to-take-stock-and-reset-1.4205192

Back in 1996, with coffers swelled by the Meath-Mayo All-Ireland football final replay and the rise of Wexford hurling, the combined (index-linked) revenue from gate receipts and broadcast fees was in the region of Ä13 million or roughly a quarter of what was taken in last year, just over Ä50 million and that doesnít include commercial earnings, which are realistically also tied to fixture opportunity.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on March 23, 2020, 03:59:33 PM
Lots of moving parts to this but in answer to some of the comments above the data is there to suggest:

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.


Did anyone see the videos floating about with body bags lined up on the street in China? It could be edited shite but something not right with China figures IMO.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 23, 2020, 04:40:00 PM
Lots of moving parts to this but in answer to some of the comments above the data is there to suggest:

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.


Did anyone see the videos floating about with body bags lined up on the street in China? It could be edited shite but something not right with China figures IMO.

Do not underestimate how much it could be worth to some countries, for demand to and from China for nearly anything to be reduced greatly long term.

Same reason as you are right to be wary of Chinese figures, the Chinese also need to be seen to be 'back on track'.

There is a lot at stake economy wise for lots of people here when everything 'gets back to normal'. I'd take any kind of videos or pictures or anything like that with a pinch of salt as it would suit a lot of Western Nations for the Chinese economy to never recover over this all.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on March 23, 2020, 10:43:14 PM
Agreed ..... In summary..... Hard to know what the fcuk to believe these days.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
Iím highly suspicious of Chinaís numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - Iím not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. Itís a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 09:57:05 AM
Iím highly suspicious of Chinaís numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - Iím not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. Itís a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.


You need to understand the measures taken in the respective countries. The numbers make sense in that context. China failed initially to react and then brought in really tough, draconian measures. Sut everything down. The impact could be seen from outer space in terms of vast reduction in emissions. Built new hospitals. Unreal stuff that can't/won't be replicated in western countries. These measures worked and the outbreak is under control there for now. Italy effectively did nothing until it was too late to avoid major death and disruption. Even now, their lockdown isn't as severe as in China. Spain is closely following the same trajectory, as are several European countries, including the UK. I personally don't believe we're in much better position though we did close schools etc much earlier so may get some benefit from that.

I think a huge % of the population in Ireland are in denial of what's about to happen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tbrick18 on March 24, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
General question with the use of GAA facilities as testing centres in ROI....how do you go about getting a test as a member of the public?
Do you just show up?
Here in the 6, there's currently no testing centres that I'm aware of and policy seems to be that by April we'll be testing 800 a day. I haven't seen anything to say who will be eligible for tests, what happens to those testing positive and if there's any plan to increase the volume of testing.

I see the Swatragh club in Derry have offered their facilities up as a testing centre or field hospital.
Does Croke Park have a policy on this or is this a club being pro-active?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 10:07:06 AM
Iím highly suspicious of Chinaís numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - Iím not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. Itís a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.


You need to understand the measures taken in the respective countries. The numbers make sense in that context. China failed initially to react and then brought in really tough, draconian measures. Sut everything down. The impact could be seen from outer space in terms of vast reduction in emissions. Built new hospitals. Unreal stuff that can't/won't be replicated in western countries. These measures worked and the outbreak is under control there for now. Italy effectively did nothing until it was too late to avoid major death and disruption. Even now, their lockdown isn't as severe as in China. Spain is closely following the same trajectory, as are several European countries, including the UK. I personally don't believe we're in much better position though we did close schools etc much earlier so may get some benefit from that.

I think a huge % of the population in Ireland are in denial of what's about to happen.

I comprehend that, and appreciate measures like building hospitals cannot be replicated in the west, but in Wuhan the first cases (of a random viral pneumonia) were discovered in December yet a lockdown wasnít imposed on Wuhan until the 23rd January, after millions had left and travelled to other cities around China (and the world). A reduction in NO2 has been seen in northern Italy also. While I fully comprehend that the west wonít be as effective in combating this as China, a 2.5% death rate in Wuhan compared to 10% in Italy (not sure what it is in Spain) just seems fictitious to me.

Ireland is on the same path as Italy in terms of daily increase in cases, if not deaths, from the graphs Iíve seen on the FT. I agree that most people here donít have a clue whatís coming down the path - they wouldnít be queuing like morons for fish and chips in Howth if they did.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
General question with the use of GAA facilities as testing centres in ROI....how do you go about getting a test as a member of the public?
Do you just show up?


No. You have to be sent by your GP who interviews you by phone.

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Here in the 6, there's currently no testing centres that I'm aware of and policy seems to be that by April we'll be testing 800 a day. I haven't seen anything to say who will be eligible for tests, what happens to those testing positive and if there's any plan to increase the volume of testing.

There is no evidence of any concrete plan to test people in the 6 counties, until they are ill enough to go to hospital.

I comprehend that, and appreciate measures like building hospitals cannot be replicated in the west, but in Wuhan the first cases (of a random viral pneumonia) were discovered in December yet a lockdown wasnít imposed on Wuhan until the 23rd January, after millions had left and travelled to other cities around China (and the world). A reduction in NO2 has been seen in northern Italy also. While I fully comprehend that the west wonít be as effective in combating this as China, a 2.5% death rate in Wuhan compared to 10% in Italy (not sure what it is in Spain) just seems fictitious to me.

there is a 0.5% fatality rate in Ireland, do you also regard this as fictitious?

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Ireland is on the same path as Italy in terms of daily increase in cases, if not deaths, from the graphs Iíve seen on the FT. I agree that most people here donít have a clue whatís coming down the path - they wouldnít be queuing like morons for fish and chips in Howth if they did.

Ireland is not on the same path as Italy, it is better compared to Germany.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1242226333012373505?s=21 - youíre free to look for it yourself, courtesy of the FT. And no, I donít believe the rate here is fictitious, but weíre an a much earlier stage than China and are a country who isnít known for massive secrecy and suppression of the truth.

Admittedly not quite Italy, but itís not far away.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
Iím highly suspicious of Chinaís numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - Iím not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. Itís a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.

The Chinese biggest flaw was their biggest saving grace. Nobody took any action because they were afraid of the regime, but when the regime realised there was a big issue. They aggressively took to work, hospitals up in days, people battered on streets if they broke the lock down - you couldn't get away with that kind of thing here.

I'm in the boat that I tend to believe the Chinese numbers on current cases, of course you must be aware that they will present it as a triumph to the world their lock down is intended to close in April, sending doctors and nurses overseas etc but of course the question must be asked, in a country so populous and city wise dense....how did so few get infected/die? I would suspect the true tally is much greater than the world knows and something the Italians would never be able to cover up - How many of these citizens were deemed 'illegal' and not on registers since the 1 child policy etc? There certainly must have been a morphing of numbers somewhere.

The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1242226333012373505?s=21 - youíre free to look for it yourself, courtesy of the FT. And no, I donít believe the rate here is fictitious, but weíre an a much earlier stage than China and are a country who isnít known for massive secrecy and suppression of the truth.

Admittedly not quite Italy, but itís not far away.

It is always good to see data, but this data is not consistent as testing rates vary in the countries concerned. On that chart Germany is worse than the UK, reflecting testing levels, but the UK has 3 times the deaths of Germany which suggests that things are not as good there.

We'll see later this week as the measures start to take effect. The public health people no doubt have useful data on when people first had symptoms, the areas of the country where there appears to be transmission etc, so that data will provide insight that you or I do not have. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 01:06:18 PM
The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.

In the past the population tolerated this wild animal thing, I suspect a lot of people will be less tolerant now and this will facilitate strong action by the authorities.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
Iím highly suspicious of Chinaís numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - Iím not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. Itís a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.


You need to understand the measures taken in the respective countries. The numbers make sense in that context. China failed initially to react and then brought in really tough, draconian measures. Sut everything down. The impact could be seen from outer space in terms of vast reduction in emissions. Built new hospitals. Unreal stuff that can't/won't be replicated in western countries. These measures worked and the outbreak is under control there for now. Italy effectively did nothing until it was too late to avoid major death and disruption. Even now, their lockdown isn't as severe as in China. Spain is closely following the same trajectory, as are several European countries, including the UK. I personally don't believe we're in much better position though we did close schools etc much earlier so may get some benefit from that.

I think a huge % of the population in Ireland are in denial of what's about to happen.

I comprehend that, and appreciate measures like building hospitals cannot be replicated in the west, but in Wuhan the first cases (of a random viral pneumonia) were discovered in December yet a lockdown wasnít imposed on Wuhan until the 23rd January, after millions had left and travelled to other cities around China (and the world). A reduction in NO2 has been seen in northern Italy also. While I fully comprehend that the west wonít be as effective in combating this as China, a 2.5% death rate in Wuhan compared to 10% in Italy (not sure what it is in Spain) just seems fictitious to me.

Ireland is on the same path as Italy in terms of daily increase in cases, if not deaths, from the graphs Iíve seen on the FT. I agree that most people here donít have a clue whatís coming down the path - they wouldnít be queuing like morons for fish and chips in Howth if they did.


If everyone can get proper medical treatment to mortality rate would be below 1%. The problem is when ICU's are full and people with serious cases cannot get treated - they all die. So basically China had less time in the situation where their health system couldn't cope. Italy is living through that at the moment and has a way to go before it returns to a situation where all people can be treated. The Italian number will lower over time due to a few other reasons. The number of recorded cases is likely understated due to people not realising they have the virus though I'm not sure it would materially impact the respective numbers.

I understand historically that data coming out of China has to be treated with a health warning but it doesn't look that far fetched to me.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 02:00:43 PM
The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.

In the past the population tolerated this wild animal thing, I suspect a lot of people will be less tolerant now and this will facilitate strong action by the authorities.

Yes I would agree with you on this - now if the Chinese general (peasant) population knows that it's not safe or not, that could be an issue. You would hope that the Chinese will do their part on a large scale with education but who knows what the people are being told there. Unfortunately I've never been to China so all I can do is speculate / throw out open thought.

Not really sure if Bat / Pangolin or whatever it was we are blaming is a middle class food or what, it's my assumption that it is because the Pangolin was the most trafficked animal in the world it had a certain value for the middle classes.

You would hope their people certainly will remember this long into the memory, however SARS / MERS wasn't all that long ago. I wonder if we in the West will fall back into old habit in the months / years to come.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 03:06:45 PM
The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.

In the past the population tolerated this wild animal thing, I suspect a lot of people will be less tolerant now and this will facilitate strong action by the authorities.

Yes I would agree with you on this - now if the Chinese general (peasant) population knows that it's not safe or not, that could be an issue. You would hope that the Chinese will do their part on a large scale with education but who knows what the people are being told there. Unfortunately I've never been to China so all I can do is speculate / throw out open thought.

Not really sure if Bat / Pangolin or whatever it was we are blaming is a middle class food or what, it's my assumption that it is because the Pangolin was the most trafficked animal in the world it had a certain value for the middle classes.

You would hope their people certainly will remember this long into the memory, however SARS / MERS wasn't all that long ago. I wonder if we in the West will fall back into old habit in the months / years to come.


My understanding is the rich and powerful are the demand market for these wild animals, believing myths about the benefits of eating them. Transmission in this case was Bat to Pangolin to Human. Wet markets should never reopen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.

In the past the population tolerated this wild animal thing, I suspect a lot of people will be less tolerant now and this will facilitate strong action by the authorities.

Yes I would agree with you on this - now if the Chinese general (peasant) population knows that it's not safe or not, that could be an issue. You would hope that the Chinese will do their part on a large scale with education but who knows what the people are being told there. Unfortunately I've never been to China so all I can do is speculate / throw out open thought.

Not really sure if Bat / Pangolin or whatever it was we are blaming is a middle class food or what, it's my assumption that it is because the Pangolin was the most trafficked animal in the world it had a certain value for the middle classes.

You would hope their people certainly will remember this long into the memory, however SARS / MERS wasn't all that long ago. I wonder if we in the West will fall back into old habit in the months / years to come.


My understanding is the rich and powerful are the demand market for these wild animals, believing myths about the benefits of eating them. Transmission in this case was Bat to Pangolin to Human. Wet markets should never reopen.

Completely agree with you, but look at the size of China. How do you stop that? The black market must be insane there despite the obvious detention never seeing light of day again threat.

Not too educated on the Wet Markets - But my assumption would be these are city based only, but the actual storage / trafficking of the animals could be anywhere. Seen a documentary there on youtube on the markets once, animals stacked on animals, all sorts flooding down through the cages to whatever poor creature is at the bottom gets the lot. This was always going to happen, just nobody cared until now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 24, 2020, 06:55:18 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-to-reveal-league-fate-amid-expected-cancellation-989887.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 25, 2020, 11:28:45 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/olympic-postponement-triggers-sporting-backlog-like-no-other-1.4211311
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 25, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/storey-says-knockout-all-ireland-might-be-only-viable-plan-for-gaa-1.4210220

ďTeams might have to play twice a week, depending on what schedule is there,Ē he said. ďThat will suit the stronger counties but it might be either that or nothing.

ďThe GAA has always been a bit too tied to Sunday games anyhow, in my opinion. Whatís wrong with Wexford and Kilkenny meeting on a Wednesday evening? Or a Monday, Tuesday, Thursday or Friday evening? Itís only in peopleís heads through tradition that it has be on the weekends.

ďPeople will argue that players work but sure club leagues and county challenge games are played on midweek evenings all the time. I think players are professional enough that they could hack it, particularly in the circumstances weíre in. Letís be honest, if itís Plan A, B or C, everyone will be only too delighted to accept whatever is going if it means games can be played.Ē
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 25, 2020, 01:10:40 PM
i am big fan of friday night games
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 25, 2020, 01:34:20 PM
they could do a 16 team all ireland with a round 2a and 2b so every team gets two games at least and do the same with the  Tailteann Cup but id prefer a 32 open draw knockout gives smaller counties hope or as someone else said they could seed division 1 and 2 teams but they play a division 3 or 4 teams away in 1st round.The provincial councils will complain tho so there no way i see their being a open national tournament.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on March 26, 2020, 01:27:11 PM
All Ireland championship opener London v Roscommon that was set for May 2nd is now postponed. According to HQ A mid June championship start is talked about but too soon to speculate yet.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Watcher on March 26, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
I think this is a great opportunity to have an open draw all Ireland. No provincial championship, no seedings, no home or away, nothing.
First round could be tyrone v dublin and London v Waterford.  Great craic altogether
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bannside on March 26, 2020, 02:26:26 PM
Exactly An Watcher what better year could there be to trial something like that. Plus play to the death on the night,  extra time, if still a draw first team to score!

You know what the biggest obstacle will be.....the provincial boards who would hate to lose their "presigious" competition s and the revenue that generates. Surely away could be found to compensate the provincial boards, some form of revenue share.

Need to get the county stuff over asap so that club scene can start.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 26, 2020, 02:31:33 PM
I think this is a great opportunity to have an open draw all Ireland. No provincial championship, no seedings, no home or away, nothing.
First round could be tyrone v dublin and London v Waterford.  Great craic altogether
There would be no finding your best team in the qualifiers . Best team out every day. It would be more interesting and then if the Dubs got dumped out in a shock second round match...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: themac_23 on March 26, 2020, 02:58:33 PM
The more I think about it the better it sounds, just go for it straight knockout, as someone said every game finished on the day, even if we have to limit crowds to say 500 for early games make all games live on tv and free to air, every sat and Sunday games on back to back hurling/football be a great summers craic to lighten the mood
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 26, 2020, 03:30:40 PM
God Bless ye're innocence.
Anyway London v Roscommon is off - either cancelled or postponed.
I suspect it will be the former with that and the NY/Galway games to take place in 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 26, 2020, 10:18:21 PM
dont see it happening they wont want a kerry v dublin scenario in 1st or 2nd round they willl go provincial knockout system i think thats the best way of getting dublin into the semis without a massive upset in lesinster and kerry should come through munster and say tyrone wins ulster and mayo wins connaght thats tyrone mayo dublin kerry semi finals.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 26, 2020, 10:21:24 PM
Also they be afraid of a open knockout being a success
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 26, 2020, 10:27:20 PM
Also they be afraid of a open knockout being a success

If it happens, surely they'll be sell out games - even in the first round, due to lack of action.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Watcher on March 26, 2020, 10:29:48 PM
Imagine the interest from the lesser teams thinking if the draw is kind they could have a long summer for once
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 26, 2020, 11:32:37 PM
Also they be afraid of a open knockout being a success

HQ will abandon the championship rather than do an open draw. They canít be straying from their tier 2 agenda

Imagine the interest from the lesser teams thinking if the draw is kind they could have a long summer for once

Yes. If you had that scenario, thereíd definitely be more support to scrap this tier 2 bollix.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 27, 2020, 12:50:19 AM
How are  the sh1te teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Put Rd 6 of the league on AI semi-final Saturday.  28 teams can play.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 27, 2020, 09:12:47 AM
Also they be afraid of a open knockout being a success

HQ will abandon the championship rather than do an open draw. They canít be straying from their tier 2 agenda

Imagine the interest from the lesser teams thinking if the draw is kind they could have a long summer for once

HQ love money. They would never drop the championship unless it was impossible to run it.
They also love competing against soccer and rugby. 

They could always say the open draw was due to the pandemic.
 
Yes. If you had that scenario, thereíd definitely be more support to scrap this tier 2 bollix.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 09:33:26 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - thatís a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. Thereís 3 big teams gone before the QF.

Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. Iíd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bannside on March 27, 2020, 10:33:48 AM
If this years championship goes ahead at all the only chance of that happening is a format that represents a total blitz.

Let's be optimistic and say that August is a month where county training can resume.

Sat 29th August (8 x first round matches)
Sunday 30th August (8 x first round matches)
After this weekend 16 teams remain, the rest can go back and begin club activity.

Sat 12th Sept (4 x second round games)
Sun 13th Sept (4 x second round games)
Only 8 teams left.

Sat 26th Sept (2 x by semi finals)
Sun 27th Sept (2 x by semi finals)

Sun 11th Oct (final)

A real blitz with in between weekends for hurling.




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 11:08:41 AM
Assuming Inter County gets up and running at all in 2020 the realistic way of doing it would be the 7 Division 1 teams (already relegated Meath excluded) play for Sam.
The rest of us finish our NFL games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Watcher on March 27, 2020, 11:43:04 AM
On a side note, I wonder how many all Irelands kerry would have now if it had of been an open draw, likewise the dubs. Something tells me there'd be a few more ulster winners.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 11:53:27 AM
How so?
If they weren't good enough to win it under the then system how would they suddenly improve if the system was different?
You might check Ulster teams  Semi Final results over the years - some awful batins (no more than some Connacht ones too).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 27, 2020, 12:04:40 PM
How so?
If they weren't good enough to win it under the then system how would they suddenly improve if the system was different?
You might check Ulster teams  Semi Final results over the years - some awful batins (no more than some Connacht ones too).

I remember for a long time the only chance Ulster teams had of making the final was when we were to face Connacht opposition in the semi
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on March 27, 2020, 12:10:28 PM
There wont be any football this year
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: befair on March 27, 2020, 01:32:03 PM
V unlikely there will be any GAA games this year. Might be a good time for reflection that GAA sports are a hobby, that shouldn't require a spartan existence, with training regimes, even at club level, that make it v difficult for anyone married with children. But once one team does it, everyone has to do it; it's running to stand still, and takes much of the enjoyment away from it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
youd have to say the likes of dublin tyrone kerry mayo  would not want an open draw either they would not want it to be a success they want as many games as possible
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:06:17 PM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - thatís a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. Thereís 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. Iíd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 27, 2020, 02:08:46 PM
V unlikely there will be any GAA games this year. Might be a good time for reflection that GAA sports are a hobby, that shouldn't require a spartan existence, with training regimes, even at club level, that make it v difficult for anyone married with children. But once one team does it, everyone has to do it; it's running to stand still, and takes much of the enjoyment away from it.

You can choose to follow/participate/let go a hobby at any time you wish, same with the GAA. Nobody is forced to play.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:11:53 PM
Could they do a world cup style tournament 32 team knockout with mid week games
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:12:12 PM
2 games per day
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
would the gaa ever put the hurling final and football final on same weekend one on saturday and one on sunday i would love that a weekend of finals
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - thatís a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. Thereís 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. Iíd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and itís boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games weíve had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldnít want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on March 27, 2020, 02:48:35 PM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - thatís a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. Thereís 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. Iíd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and itís boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games weíve had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldnít want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship

Yeah, things like that happening have really seen the FA Cup go from strength to strength.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on March 27, 2020, 03:17:42 PM
given that corporate gaa is now all about the cash flow, the idea of intercounty games behind closed doors is not likely.

as I see it, with a recommencement in june or even july and trying to keep intercounty and club life alive in 2020.

1--the leagues will be voided.

2- the football championship will revert to the old style knock out...run the provincial series as drawn, then the winners into all Ireland semis....no backdoor..straight knock out...probably no London or New York in 2020.

3-- the hurling my need a ne knockout draw for munster and leinster....and then either let the 2 winners contest an all Ireland final...or allow all Ireland semis with the munster winner v leinster final loser etc.

4--you can finish the all irealand under 20s football,only 3 games left....the hurling equivalent cancelled.

5- most club games at senior level will not commence until late July or August and this will force most counties to revert to straight knock out championships.

6- forget about the club provincial and all Ireland series for 2020.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 06:24:40 PM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - thatís a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. Thereís 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. Iíd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and itís boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games weíve had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldnít want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship

Yeah, things like that happening have really seen the FA Cup go from strength to strength.

Granted, the FA Cup ainít the competition it was 20 years ago, but just because Liverpool Arsenal or Man U didnít win the cup that year donít make it any less of a competition. Plus, you always had big shocks over the years, and lower league teams reaching the semis and final.

Would Cavan or Sligo winning Sam, mean the AI championship is a poor competition?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 27, 2020, 06:29:48 PM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - thatís a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. Thereís 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. Iíd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and itís boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games weíve had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldnít want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship

Yeah, things like that happening have really seen the FA Cup go from strength to strength.

GAA is tbe complete opposite to other sports in that the team who wins the league is the best team.

The All Ireland, up until recently was the GAA's F.A. Cup - just a knock out.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 06:39:46 PM
So Dublin haven't been the best team the last 5 years?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 27, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
So Dublin haven't been the best team the last 5 years?

They are and have been and could have won league...if they wanted.

I'm saying other sports' best teams are considering the best team in that sport - the Gaa do it the other way.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 28, 2020, 05:01:54 PM
Loving all the old stuff on Facebook due to the virus stopping us from playing/watching/supporting/officiating

The games of the past, photos that represent your GAA life and the memories people shared, great to reflect on past wins/losses feats and achievements !
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 28, 2020, 07:04:27 PM
Today in particular with the 89 semi. Favourite game ever and probably always will be lol
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 28, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
Today in particular with the 89 semi. Favourite game ever and probably always will be lol

Was brilliant, I got he chills down my back, even now thinking about it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 29, 2020, 08:44:40 PM
Today in particular with the 89 semi. Favourite game ever and probably always will be lol

Was brilliant, I got he chills down my back, even now thinking about it

There are a few seconds of the semi final from an Offaly perspective at the start of this

https://www.tg4.ie/ga/player/seinn/?pid=6112993261001&title=Michael Duignan&series=Laochra Gael&genre=Faisneis&pcode=491080
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 09:18:37 PM
Today in particular with the 89 semi. Favourite game ever and probably always will be lol

Was brilliant, I got he chills down my back, even now thinking about it

There are a few seconds of the semi final from an Offaly perspective at the start of this

https://www.tg4.ie/ga/player/seinn/?pid=6112993261001&title=Michael Duignan&series=Laochra Gael&genre=Faisneis&pcode=491080

Very good, forgot he didnít start final!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 31, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 31, 2020, 09:52:07 AM
I'm sure Tom Ryan would change it for you if you give him a call ;D
It might well be this year anyway if it happens at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on March 31, 2020, 01:43:13 PM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on March 31, 2020, 04:42:32 PM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!

The good thing about knockout is that it will cut quicker to the chase of Dublin winning another Football All Ireland. The last few years have been a dragged out drag.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!

The good thing about knockout is that it will cut quicker to the chase of Dublin winning another Football All Ireland. The last few years have been a dragged out drag.

Maybe not, new manager. Unprecedented prior events.

It's set up for a 'stolen' All Ireland.

I can bet you now every single manager in the top 6-8 teams will believe it's on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 31, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
I don't know how they would fill croke park again. In september or any time this year would you really want to sit in a relatively confined space with ~80k people or whatever the capacity is?

In fact I think there will be some paranoia around large sporting events for a very long time now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 31, 2020, 05:04:22 PM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!

The good thing about knockout is that it will cut quicker to the chase of Dublin winning another Football All Ireland. The last few years have been a dragged out drag.

Maybe not, new manager. Unprecedented prior events.

It's set up for a 'stolen' All Ireland.

I can bet you now every single manager in the top 6-8 teams will believe it's on.

Down are the best team for coming from nowhere to win Sam, and beat Kerry along the way.
Title number 6 and top-dogs from Ulster to boot.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 31, 2020, 05:34:09 PM
I don't know how they would fill croke park again. In september or any time this year would you really want to sit in a relatively confined space with ~80k people or whatever the capacity is?

In fact I think there will be some paranoia around large sporting events for a very long time now.

This will be the craic at the ticket booth (now I know that it doesn't catch everyone, but if you thought you were unwell you'd give the ticket to someone else rather than be pulled in).

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Targetman on March 31, 2020, 08:00:04 PM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!

The good thing about knockout is that it will cut quicker to the chase of Dublin winning another Football All Ireland. The last few years have been a dragged out drag.

Maybe not, new manager. Unprecedented prior events.

It's set up for a 'stolen' All Ireland.

I can bet you now every single manager in the top 6-8 teams will believe it's on.

Down are the best team for coming from nowhere to win Sam, and beat Kerry along the way.
Title number 6 and top-dogs from Ulster to boot.
Hope youíre right, you donít have a fever and a bad cough do ya?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 31, 2020, 08:54:08 PM
I hope they've stopped paying funds to the GPA
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 01, 2020, 09:46:54 AM
I don't know how they would fill croke park again. In september or any time this year would you really want to sit in a relatively confined space with ~80k people or whatever the capacity is?

In fact I think there will be some paranoia around large sporting events for a very long time now.

The GAA will fill Croker for All Ireland Final day this year (should it be approved by the Irish Govt.) no problem. Especially if we have a major shock along the day....Dublin getting bate.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 01, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
So, do people think there will be club leagues run this year. Hard to know even when the isolation will end, plus the a second wave is possible as well. So it could be a very small window of possibly for any football this year at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2020, 04:25:33 PM
So, do people think there will be club leagues run this year. Hard to know even when the isolation will end, plus the a second wave is possible as well. So it could be a very small window of possibly for any football this year at all.

Might get some hurling in though, as handbags is more common in football
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on April 01, 2020, 04:38:55 PM
Here, has the virus spread to the Aran Islands? Or Clare Island? Thereís a quare wee pitch on Innisturk I think it is, cut out from the rock.

You could play your knock out All Ireland championship on one of those islands. Quarantine the teams on arrival to make sure nobody is infected, then play the championship over a few weeks.

No crowds, islanders only. A feast of football over a few weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: themac_23 on April 01, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
So, do people think there will be club leagues run this year. Hard to know even when the isolation will end, plus the a second wave is possible as well. So it could be a very small window of possibly for any football this year at all.

Would doubt it, id say club championships will be run off, maybe to give extra games possibly do group stages instead of straight knock out, again all depends on how soon things start to go back to normal, the only thing being that between end of 'this season' and start of next doesn't really need to be long as most players will be looking to play as much football as possible after this down time so nothing to stop championships running into winter months this year
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on April 02, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
So, do people think there will be club leagues run this year. Hard to know even when the isolation will end, plus the a second wave is possible as well. So it could be a very small window of possibly for any football this year at all.

Would doubt it, id say club championships will be run off, maybe to give extra games possibly do group stages instead of straight knock out, again all depends on how soon things start to go back to normal, the only thing being that between end of 'this season' and start of next doesn't really need to be long as most players will be looking to play as much football as possible after this down time so nothing to stop championships running into winter months this year
I cant see any club football happening this year. People will be glad to get some of the other aspects of life back to normality first, like work and kids going to school.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on April 02, 2020, 08:41:43 PM
Looks like club grounds are being ear marked for testing sites (in the North anyway).

Wonder will there be any objections from locals of this happening.

Personally think the more testing the better but no doubt some ill informed 'locals will think it is being brought to their doorstep
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 02, 2020, 08:58:35 PM
Looks like club grounds are being ear marked for testing sites (in the North anyway).

Wonder will there be any objections from locals of this happening.

Personally think the more testing the better but no doubt some ill informed 'locals will think it is being brought to their doorstep

These multiple sites will be for locals and will be drive through affairs in general. 
Great if the 6 counties gets organised,  we can drive the virus down everywhere.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 03, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
Looks like club grounds are being ear marked for testing sites (in the North anyway).

Wonder will there be any objections from locals of this happening.

Personally think the more testing the better but no doubt some ill informed 'locals will think it is being brought to their doorstep
could be the first time some lads ever set foot inside a gaa club
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 04, 2020, 11:32:49 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-bracing-for-potential-60m-shortfall-991999.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 04, 2020, 12:38:58 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-bracing-for-potential-60m-shortfall-991999.html

Only a few weeks ago you had people complaining about the price of tickets.
If Armagh v Roscommon was on tomorrow, I wouldn't begrudge the Ä20 to go to it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 04, 2020, 10:37:42 PM
Looks like club grounds are being ear marked for testing sites (in the North anyway).

Wonder will there be any objections from locals of this happening.

Personally think the more testing the better but no doubt some ill informed 'locals will think it is being brought to their doorstep
could be the first time some lads ever set foot inside a gaa club
I suppose a message could be sent out that anybody who comes for the test should be prepared to light a candle at the memorial just inside the front entrance, for the republican martyrs (all GAA members) who fought against the virus of imperialism.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on April 05, 2020, 09:54:33 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-bracing-for-potential-60m-shortfall-991999.html

f**k them.
The grassroots of the association will not go under irrespective of how long the virus goes on or how much revenue is lost.

If the county game, GPA etc etc feel the pain of this then it will do no harm at all
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on April 05, 2020, 11:51:48 AM
Yeah totally agree and the county game has got around 7/8 games this year between league and preseason so priority has to be getting club football going when we resume. Anything else and we'll once and for all end the shite talk from the top that club is the livelihood of the association.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2020, 12:44:47 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-bracing-for-potential-60m-shortfall-991999.html

f**k them.
The grassroots of the association will not go under irrespective of how long the virus goes on or how much revenue is lost.

If the county game, GPA etc etc feel the pain of this then it will do no harm at all

I was listening to Woolly podcast the other day.  I think, iirc, he said that for every Ä1 the gaa take in, they pay 84cent back to grassroots and counties etc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2020, 01:08:26 PM
True.
However Clubs and Counties must have saved around Ä5m in Manager and other "expenses" at this stage.

I'd suspect whenever sport gets the go ahead there may well be limits to the numbers attending.
Meanwhile the International Rules is off as the AFL season will go on later, if it happens at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2020, 01:45:10 PM
True.
However Clubs and Counties must have saved around Ä5m in Manager and other "expenses" at this stage.

I'd suspect whenever sport gets the go ahead there may well be limits to the numbers attending.
Meanwhile the International Rules is off as the AFL season will go on later, if it happens at all.

But how do they save it, if they don't have it? No championship games played it.  League is not even finished.

But it's not bad giving 84cent back to the clubs etc. - can't be vad to that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 05, 2020, 02:27:17 PM
International rules is now cancelled.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on April 06, 2020, 11:39:41 AM
International rules is now cancelled.


Every cloud.....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 06, 2020, 11:57:12 AM
Meanwhile in the parallel Universe if East Mayo

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/mayos-indoor-dome-fit-to-host-eurovision-992328.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on April 07, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
12:29 The European Parliamentís headquarters in Strasbourg, France will be turned into a coronavirus testing center.

The parliament will hold only extremely limited sessions, in Brussels and online, until September.


https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-passes-10000/a-53043555

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 07, 2020, 09:06:29 PM
12:29 The European Parliamentís headquarters in Strasbourg, France will be turned into a coronavirus testing center.

The parliament will hold only extremely limited sessions, in Brussels and online, until September.


https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-passes-10000/a-53043555

All in all, it is a very dramatic way of stopping Dublin win 6 in a row.

The European parliament should forget to go back to Strasbourg.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 10, 2020, 06:56:08 PM
Some developments

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-to-hold-remote-special-congress-to-deal-with-championship-restructure-993467.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 04:26:55 AM
so it looks like to me they want the same format as as last season but with knockout  quarter finals instead of super 8
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 04:38:13 AM
Would anyone be interested in the radical idea of  having a festival tournament type thing and having a tournament played over a month like the world cup have all matches played at croke park or something have two matches a day throw ins at maybe 5pm and 8pm
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 11, 2020, 08:47:17 AM
My da always talked about festivals in the 50s and 60s and how great they were. Those kind of things may work out this year and be much more competitive.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 12:53:19 PM
corrected
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2020, 02:29:54 PM
so it looks like to me they want the same format as as last season but with knockout  quarter finals instead of super 8

Basically what we had 2001 to 2017. Would be grand if the championship commence in June but that's unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ardtole on April 11, 2020, 02:48:59 PM
I'd love 32 teams, open draw, straight knock out. Wrap it up in 5 or 6 weeks. Dont think it will happen, in case it's a resounding success and there are calls for it to happen the following year too.

I'm fed up with the back door and the super 8s.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on April 11, 2020, 03:13:48 PM
so it looks like to me they want the same format as as last season but with knockout  quarter finals instead of super 8

This is no year for pissing about with the back door.

If indeed the championship can be played, it has to be an open draw straight knockout.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on April 11, 2020, 04:26:56 PM
Would anyone be interested in the radical idea of  having a festival tournament type thing and having a tournament played over a month like the world cup have all matches played at croke park or something have two matches a day throw ins at maybe 5pm and 8pm

No way the GAA will put matches in croke park at 5pm on a tuesday. Cant get a crowd most Sundays!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 11, 2020, 04:44:47 PM
I'd love 32 teams, open draw, straight knock out. Wrap it up in 5 or 6 weeks. Dont think it will happen, in case it's a resounding success and there are calls for it to happen the following year too.

I'm fed up with the back door and the super 8s.
What world your "resounding success" be?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ardtole on April 11, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
I'd love 32 teams, open draw, straight knock out. Wrap it up in 5 or 6 weeks. Dont think it will happen, in case it's a resounding success and there are calls for it to happen the following year too.

I'm fed up with the back door and the super 8s.
What world your "resounding success" be?

Good question. Lol. I would hope there would be more off a buzz at the games, going to the games. The do or die scenario might lead to more excitement.

The provincial competitions have run out of steam, the back door hasn't caught the imagination of the public, even some players dont hang around for it.

I had hoped the super 8s would have livened the competition up a bit  but bar a few games it has been a let down.

Obviously Dublins recent dominance has been a big factor, but there just isn't the buzz about games this last 5 years. I just think if there was an open draw every team would be 2 games away from a q/f, with a favourable draw. At least there would be a bit of optimism to start with even if it was short lived.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 11, 2020, 05:51:52 PM
The Qualifiers are do or die and as you say they haven't caught the imagination of the public.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trileacman on April 11, 2020, 10:02:44 PM
The Qualifiers are do or die and as you say they haven't caught the imagination of the public.

Do or die for 2 teams thatíve already died once.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 11, 2020, 11:03:07 PM
They are do or die full stop.
Loser is finished for the year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 12, 2020, 06:46:38 AM
I think the  gaa should maybe give a deadline of sometime in november to complete and commit to open 32 team knockout


hurling could go 16 team knockout maybe  or make hurling 32 teams aswell that could bring some hurling attention to smaller counties
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 12, 2020, 06:50:47 AM
tho tyrone v kilkenny at hurling would be absolute bloodbath but thats luck of draw but tyrone hurlers would have opportunity to say they played kilkenny
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 11:25:23 AM
Straight forward questions been answered would give everyone a clearer picture.

Do we need a vaccine in order to have mass gatherings of more than 500( inter county football ) If the answer is yes , then life is over as we knew it for probably about three years , very sad and all that but at least everyone could get used of it .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on April 13, 2020, 11:50:46 AM
Straight forward questions been answered would give everyone a clearer picture.

Do we need a vaccine in order to have mass gatherings of more than 500( inter county football ) If the answer is yes , then life is over as we knew it for probably about three years , very sad and all that but at least everyone could get used of it .

We need a vaccine. What we are at now is buying time and curtailing mass death and suffering.  Usually these types of things take 18 months? But necessity is the mother of invention and they are hoping for a fast track 9 month solution. For the moment we are only kicking the can down the road.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 13, 2020, 01:07:33 PM
Yeah I think this too. Not three years though. Predictions are August 2021. Vaccine produced and mass produced two different timelines I suspect.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 13, 2020, 01:21:41 PM
What gives me a pain is County team managers ( Graham, Bonber, Kingston...) calling on the GAA to give them certainty as to when the Inter County Championships will be held.
Cop on lads...they may be all powerful but ye might have noticed there's an oul virus about that they have no control over.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 01:27:16 PM
No you are wrong , if we need a vaccine and then the distribution of vaccine worldwide then there will definitely be no championship this year or next year . Every single report is saying 12-18 months minimum for vaccine and youíd hazard a guess another few months minimum to manufacture and distribute. If what you guys are saying is true ie mass gatherings depending on this , then not only is county football snookered what about professional sport across the globe ?

I have pictures today of highway/road workers from across the uk all gathered together working away . What Iím saying is there is a lot of contradiction in whatís been said and done . Reports of some soccer teams returning to collective training in parts of Europe too ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on April 13, 2020, 03:17:31 PM
Number 1 thing that's needed is freely available testing with a rapid result turnaround. Number 2 is certainty about "immunity" for those who have had it. Number 3 is an antibody test widely available.

Widely available vaccine would be next summer at best.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 13, 2020, 03:32:01 PM
I have pictures today of highway/road workers from across the uk all gathered together working away . What Iím saying is there is a lot of contradiction in whatís been said and done . Reports of some soccer teams returning to collective training in parts of Europe too ?

Outdoor construction is fairly safe and arguably the government should repair the roads when traffic is so light. Many sports involve deliberately trying to get close to people and this is a different proposition.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 13, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
Yeah I think this too. Not three years though. Predictions are August 2021. Vaccine produced and mass produced two different timelines I suspect.
Production of billions of vials of a yet undeveloped vaccine without disrupting supplies of already important vaccines is a massive undertaking which I can't see being ready even by next summer. Wherever it is developed you would think ir will have to be manufactured at scale in facilities globally. I don't see where they get the capacity from without dropping existing lines.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 03:45:40 PM
I have pictures today of highway/road workers from across the uk all gathered together working away . What Iím saying is there is a lot of contradiction in whatís been said and done . Reports of some soccer teams returning to collective training in parts of Europe too ?

Outdoor construction is fairly safe and arguably the government should repair the roads when traffic is so light. Many sports involve deliberately trying to get close to people and this is a different proposition.

So social distancing is not necessary? These workmen were all bunched together . Also I work in construction so obviously have experience, how would you propose using shared power tools , shovels , barrow etc etc , wipe them down every time they are used ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 03:48:45 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 13, 2020, 04:00:46 PM
It is indeed.
Dr Henry one of the HSE chiefs says no point in beating down "the curve" and then filling beaches, sports stadiums etc .
Might also not allow any contact team sports at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 04:04:11 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.

Exactly what Iím trying to say and most likely no league nor championship in 2021 either with a possibility of 2022 a no go too , if itís a vaccine thatís required . A vaccine has not been past test stage yet , Iím reading  some reports that it takes up to three years . No report has mentioned a more optimistic time frame than 12-18 months and then you have to manufacture and distribute world wide . If all this is true how could a championship be possible for next summer ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 04:34:30 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.

Exactly what I’m trying to say and most likely no league nor championship in 2021 either with a possibility of 2022 a no go too , if it’s a vaccine that’s required . A vaccine has not been past test stage yet , I’m reading  some reports that it takes up to three years . No report has mentioned a more optimistic time frame than 12-18 months and then you have to manufacture and distribute world wide . If all this is true how could a championship be possible for next summer ?

One would hope by next year there is a better control community spread. Acting much faster on testing, contact tracing, and isolation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on April 13, 2020, 05:34:06 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.

Exactly what Iím trying to say and most likely no league nor championship in 2021 either with a possibility of 2022 a no go too , if itís a vaccine thatís required . A vaccine has not been past test stage yet , Iím reading  some reports that it takes up to three years . No report has mentioned a more optimistic time frame than 12-18 months and then you have to manufacture and distribute world wide . If all this is true how could a championship be possible for next summer ?

One would hope by next year there is a better control community spread. Acting much faster on testing, contact tracing, and isolation.

Even still, what would happen if the games start back and a county player (or manager) contracts the virus? Would the competition just be suspended while that panel goes into 2 weeks quarantine?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 06:10:08 PM
I think thatís as good as confirmation there will be no championship this year .

https://extra.ie/2020/04/12/news/irish-news/summer-is-cancelled-no-pubs-or-gaa-as-restrictions-set-to-drag-on-for-months?fbclid=IwAR1gKus3s3wo3-RpXLiaXXFcvuTXubiIb-JDvUCVFdUyoV5b0mVPX8we5Xs
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on April 13, 2020, 07:07:16 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.

It's proper order.

Look, we'd all love to have it this year but there are more important things and I think any sanitised version of the game won't be worth. Pause and reset for 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 13, 2020, 07:17:52 PM
There is also the small matter of the players would also need to social distance so there would be no game to play!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on April 14, 2020, 09:41:11 AM
How late could we go to get some club action in?
Like there have been county finals galore in October and the crowds would not be as much of an issue.
I don't expect it, but would love to see some action.

Even as a club fundrasier comp around Christmas to blast off the cobwebs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 14, 2020, 11:19:06 AM
How late could we go to get some club action in?
Like there have been county finals galore in October and the crowds would not be as much of an issue.
I don't expect it, but would love to see some action.

Even as a club fundrasier comp around Christmas to blast off the cobwebs.

This is where I donít get it , not saying youíre wrong , I just donít get what people are saying , thereís always contradiction.

Do we need a vaccine or not ? You canít say on one hand we need a vaccine until then social distancing will have to be adhered to but thirty footballers can go out and exchange blows , sweat , blood etc . That canít work.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on April 14, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
There is also the small matter of the players would also need to social distance so there would be no game to play!!

Tyrone could never manage this, they would have to be pulling out of ya some way.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 14, 2020, 11:59:32 AM
Doubtful we'll see any team contact sports happening this year at all.
Golf at basic social level will probably get the go ahead and maybe horse racing with no spectators.
After that maybe top level soccer on TV also without spectators...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on April 14, 2020, 04:12:12 PM
Doubtful we'll see any team contact sports happening this year at all.
Golf at basic social level will probably get the go ahead and maybe horse racing with no spectators.
After that maybe top level soccer on TV also without spectators...
it travels by breath mainly not blood sp even when some one Blows hard on Soccer players not only are they in danger of serious Physical  harm but  from
 the Virus as well
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 14, 2020, 05:08:57 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-brady-offering-a-friendly-voice-on-the-other-end-of-the-line-1.4227995
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 14, 2020, 05:10:10 PM
Doubtful we'll see any team contact sports happening this year at all.
Golf at basic social level will probably get the go ahead and maybe horse racing with no spectators.
After that maybe top level soccer on TV also without spectators...
it travels by breath mainly not blood sp even when some one Blows hard on Soccer players not only are they in danger of serious Physical  harm but  from
 the Virus as well

And the way things have gone this past couple of years - gaelic players could be in difficulty also.

Hurlers are exempt of course!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 14, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
Something has to give lads. A vaccine may take 18 months. Bars schools clubs parks building sites are going to have to open sometimes. Older people just need to watch themselves and isolate as much as possible until a vaccine is ready. But to stop the whole country for 18 months at least will have a devastating affect on everyone. Club football should be told to go ahead when they have it under control. Keep up with the social distance stuff as best we can. Something has to give
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oneclubonelife on April 14, 2020, 06:12:17 PM
I know we all would love to get back out on to the pitch but can we really expect players/members to go into changing rooms/ gyms to get the season underway. I personally cannot see how season can be played this year unless all are tested on a regular basis. The chance of one death is one to many
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 14, 2020, 06:15:23 PM
Something has to give lads. A vaccine may take 18 months. Bars schools clubs parks building sites are going to have to open sometimes. Older people just need to watch themselves and isolate as much as possible until a vaccine is ready. But to stop the whole country for 18 months at least will have a devastating affect on everyone. Club football should be told to go ahead when they have it under control. Keep up with the social distance stuff as best we can. Something has to give

I can understand the need to get the economy moving again, but club football strikes me as being far down the list of things we need to get started again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 14, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
Hard to see anything happening now. So someone is a carrier and 25 other fellas in a small changing room, all go out and play, one fella in the other team now infected, repeat a few days later at training then at the next game, is it worth it? Not a chance, no gambling people's lives
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: pbat on April 14, 2020, 06:23:44 PM
Championship postponed indefinitely, nothing before July for certain.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 14, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Something has to give lads. A vaccine may take 18 months. Bars schools clubs parks building sites are going to have to open sometimes. Older people just need to watch themselves and isolate as much as possible until a vaccine is ready. But to stop the whole country for 18 months at least will have a devastating affect on everyone. Club football should be told to go ahead when they have it under control. Keep up with the social distance stuff as best we can. Something has to give

I can understand the need to get the economy moving again, but club football strikes me as being far down the list of things we need to get started again.

I agree 100% but if or when the virus recedes, club competitions will be easy enough to get started compared to the intercounty scene.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on April 14, 2020, 07:09:26 PM
I donít see any county games this year, even club games could be a stretch.  As a suggestion, park the remainder of 2020 until we get this under control, get a vaccine out, and in March 2021 complete the 2020 leagues .... so Armagh can get a rattle at Roscommon for a place in Div 1 :-)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on April 15, 2020, 02:57:08 AM
Faceless old men in darkened rooms dithering over whether young men can be sent out into danger for the entertainment of others.

Why the dilatory official statement?

What have you become?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fionntamhnach on April 15, 2020, 04:12:52 AM
The Ulster Council meeting on Monday night (via teleconference) have decided with the following...

* The Ulster club football leagues, along with the Buncrana Cup (U16 IC football league) and the Ulster Minor football league are all cancelled/abandoned for 2020.

* Ulster MFC - the original draw has been scrapped and the competition will now be a straight knockout tournament based on the SFC draw, with the Minor championship game to be held as a curtain raiser to the senior game.

* Ulster SFC - it is postponed indefinitely. It is hoped to be rescheduled but it's reckoned to be highly unlikely to commence before the beginning of July.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/04/update-on-ulster-gaa-2020-fixtures-and-competitions/

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:11:41 AM
Serious question
Whatís the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And donít say social distance in a shop. Iíve shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: StephenC on April 15, 2020, 09:16:01 AM
Serious question
Whatís the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And donít say social distance in a shop. Iíve shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day

So what's your point? It's poor in the Tesco you go to therefore it's grand to go ahead with underage football? Thought you said this was a serious question?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rich Ricci on April 15, 2020, 09:19:31 AM
Serious question
Whatís the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And donít say social distance in a shop. Iíve shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day

Necessity. Shops are doing all they can to enforce social distancing but thereís only so much you can do. People need food but they should be shopping as infrequently as possible. 50 young ones donít need to be running around a pitch just now
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
Serious question
Whatís the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And donít say social distance in a shop. Iíve shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day

Serious answer. The people in Tesco are walking about to help feed their families. The fifty people at an underage club match are engaging in their hobby.

Imagine the outcry if even one person died from the GAA or any other sporting organisation rushing back and spreading the virus again. The GAA is a conservative but also a responsible organisation and I don't think they will take the risk. It's not what people want to hear and that is why I think they are not saying it at the moment (no GAA matches for a long time) , they don't want to kill all hope.   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
Walking in the park and buying alcohol is essential?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 09:59:29 AM
Walking in the park and buying alcohol is essential?

If you need help in understanding the difference between keeping supermarkets open and restarting GAA underage fixtures then there is hardly much point in continuing any debate. Thankfully I would trust the GAA hierarchy to be more responsible than that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 15, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
Imagine the outcry if even one person died from the GAA or any other sporting organisation rushing back and spreading the virus again. The GAA is a conservative but also a responsible organisation and I don't think they will take the risk. It's not what people want to hear and that is why I think they are not saying it at the moment (no GAA matches for a long time) , they don't want to kill all hope.   

People often die because of involvement in GAA and other sports, chiefly in road accidents. There is no logic in saying that sports should be banned in order to prevent a single death. Nobody as far as I know wants GAA to resume right now but there will come a time when decisions will have to be made. Next winter will be very difficult if there is neither sport nor recreation in the meantime and there will be lives lost on foot of that too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 15, 2020, 11:13:29 AM
Serious question
Whatís the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And donít say social distance in a shop. Iíve shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day

Necessity. Shops are doing all they can to enforce social distancing but thereís only so much you can do. People need food but they should be shopping as infrequently as possible. 50 young ones donít need to be running around a pitch just now
Exactly.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
Imagine the outcry if even one person died from the GAA or any other sporting organisation rushing back and spreading the virus again. The GAA is a conservative but also a responsible organisation and I don't think they will take the risk. It's not what people want to hear and that is why I think they are not saying it at the moment (no GAA matches for a long time) , they don't want to kill all hope.   

People often die because of involvement in GAA and other sports, chiefly in road accidents. There is no logic in saying that sports should be banned in order to prevent a single death. Nobody as far as I know wants GAA to resume right now but there will come a time when decisions will have to be made. Next winter will be very difficult if there is neither sport nor recreation in the meantime and there will be lives lost on foot of that too.

I would be broadly in agreement with that, however by the time this virus begins to recede and the numbers fall, the decision will have to be made whether to resume GAA on a small scale or not. It's an unenviable decision because whilst it is important for peoples mental well being, nobody will want to bear responsibility for another outbreak of the virus in their own community. Already GAA clubs have been instructed to close their gates by insurance companies wary of any potential claims, if I'm in charge of a GAA underage team I would be reluctant to organise or participate in group training sessions whilst a vaccine is not available. Its a crap situation but unfortunately I can't see an easy solution.

As far as the county game is concerned I really don't see it resuming until a vaccination is available unless they play games behind closed doors and I don't see how that would work for an organisation like the GAA.     
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 15, 2020, 11:31:01 AM
As far as the county game is concerned I really don't see it resuming until a vaccination is available unless they play games behind closed doors and I don't see how that would work for an organisation like the GAA.     

Waiting for a safe tested and effective vaccine to become universally available will be like waiting for Godot. Will the GAA survive as we know it if it ends up being mothballed for 2 or 3 years? I have my doubts.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 11:42:55 AM
So basically all pubs cafes leisure centres should all be closed until a vaccine is found? 2 years at least?
Will any places survive that long.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 15, 2020, 11:48:43 AM
Reports saying a team from Italy and Oxford may have a vaccine ready for mass production by September. Fingers crossed it passes the tests and can be produced in the millions worldwide.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 11:57:17 AM
As far as the county game is concerned I really don't see it resuming until a vaccination is available unless they play games behind closed doors and I don't see how that would work for an organisation like the GAA.     

Waiting for a safe tested and effective vaccine to become universally available will be like waiting for Godot. Will the GAA survive as we know it if it ends up being mothballed for 2 or 3 years? I have my doubts.

The GAA will survive this and will eventually come out of this enhanced for the way in which they dealt with the crisis. A lot of great community work is taking place due to the organised nature of the GAA at local levels. Also I donít believe it will take 2/3 years to produce a vaccine but it may not happen in 2020.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 15, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
So basically all pubs cafes leisure centres should all be closed until a vaccine is found? 2 years at least?
Will any places survive that long.

No.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 15, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
So basically all pubs cafes leisure centres should all be closed until a vaccine is found? 2 years at least?
Will any places survive that long.

No.

In real terms, this won't happen lads. It cannot be allowed to happen. If the restrictions are being (gradually) lifted in Wuhan and Italy.....safe to say, Ireland (which looks to have escaped the worst of europe by virtue of island status and relatively effective lockdown) will not be long until things begin to return to what we know is normal.

That's not sticking the head in the sand, but it's also not thinking this is a 2/3 year thing. You have to be optimistic. We do not face the same issues as other countries as we only have arguably two "cities" on the whole island.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 12:17:35 PM
A vaccine will not be ready until 2022. Needs to be right to get the go ahead and it will not be ready by September although yes I have heard that too.
Schools also will not be back until a vaccine is here.
If we stop all the aftermath of this will be a lot worse than the virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 15, 2020, 12:20:21 PM
This news is grim. I hope they're wrong. If they're not, we're all f**ked.

https://gript.ie/harvard-scientists-prepare-to-be-in-some-form-of-lockdown-until-2022/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on April 15, 2020, 12:23:17 PM
No chance we're doing this for another 2 years.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 15, 2020, 12:59:10 PM
Not a hope of keeping this up for another two months never mind two years . Itís not possible .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2020, 01:55:37 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1249034317067628550

David Brady

@D9BMayo

Had such a lovely conversation today with GAA Tom who was out hearing Heifers..Heís self isolating ,originally from Swinford now living in Wicklow..If you have a Mayo GAA mad mother ,father or heifer DM me info & I will call them for the chat over the next 3 weeks #GoodToTalkGAA

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 15, 2020, 02:30:53 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1249034317067628550

David Brady

@D9BMayo

Had such a lovely conversation today with GAA Tom who was out hearing Heifers..Heís self isolating ,originally from Swinford now living in Wicklow..If you have a Mayo GAA mad mother ,father or heifer DM me info & I will call them for the chat over the next 3 weeks #GoodToTalkGAA

Fair play to him.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 16, 2020, 09:54:48 AM
Id love to see an open draw championship i think it be great for the country but i think we then get too many moaners provincial councils will moan then if some team like Tyrone or Galway gets knockout first round they be like oh we only got one game and the gaa are too scared  of  the chance of Dublin v Kerry first round.If Dublin played Kerry in the first or 2nd round in Kerry could you imagine the hyped and buzz.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 16, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
dublin v kerry in kerry. Now that would be something.

Tyrone v Dublin in Omagh.

(Basically any "contender" getting Dublin in their own back yard would be great for the game IMO.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tiempo on April 16, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 16, 2020, 11:34:40 AM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.

Not an open draw though - that's a fixed draw.

Put all 32 teams in 'hat' and draw them out.  First team out gets home venue.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on April 16, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 16, 2020, 12:17:11 PM
Will any team sports happen while Social distancing is in force??

In the unlikely event of any Inter County Championship happening you can take it the Provincials will be played. What type of AI Championship will follow will depend on the time of year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on April 16, 2020, 04:05:20 PM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.
what is the logic of seeding Div1 teams?with less training than normal done it could even our the field a bit and some real schocks could be in store esp if the Div1 teams cannibalized each other in the early rounds .
cpu;d be the best champion ship in ages .
or if time were to run really tight .
have the Sam Maguire played off in a Div 1 knock out tournament with double headers all in croke park could be played off in a 3 weeks ,  play the hurling in the new Pairc Ū chaoimh
each Division have its own Competition Div1 and 4 played as a double header and 2 and 3 played together
pmouth watering stuff look from now
eg
week 1
Dublin V Meath
Donegal v Mayo
tyrone v kerry
Galway v monaghan

week 2
Dublin v Mayo
kerry V Galway

WEEK 3
mAYO  v Galway fINAL

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 16, 2020, 04:34:25 PM
 :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 16, 2020, 04:37:46 PM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.
what is the logic of seeding Div1 teams?with less training than normal done it could even our the field a bit and some real schocks could be in store esp if the Div1 teams cannibalized each other in the early rounds .
cpu;d be the best champion ship in ages .
or if time were to run really tight .
have the Sam Maguire played off in a Div 1 knock out tournament with double headers all in croke park could be played off in a 3 weeks ,  play the hurling in the new Pairc Ū chaoimh
each Division have its own Competition Div1 and 4 played as a double header and 2 and 3 played together
pmouth watering stuff look from now
eg
week 1
Dublin V Meath
Donegal v Mayo
tyrone v kerry
Galway v monaghan

week 2
Dublin v Mayo
kerry V Galway

WEEK 3
mAYO  v Galway fINAL


Be grand for Mayo to play in a division 1 championship tournament when it looked like they were join Meath in division 2.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on April 16, 2020, 07:51:50 PM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.

In my opinion itís very unlikely we will see any football this year but if we do, it will be club football as itís likely anything with the attendances you would get at an inter county championship game will not be allowed till next year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ballinaman on April 18, 2020, 07:22:03 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Absolutely , you're talking at least 4-6 weeks of collective training for it to be even an option ...especially if games are played off quickly , players won't have the capacity to play and recover.

As mentioned earlier , social distancing is not viable in a dressing room...all it takes is for one player, management , medic etc to test positive and whole group have to isolate for 14 days....you can't have that and hope to play games on a regular basis.

Better is GAA stopped with the kite flying and forget about games for the foreseeable .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 18, 2020, 08:57:18 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Absolutely , you're talking at least 4-6 weeks of collective training for it to be even an option ...especially if games are played off quickly , players won't have the capacity to play and recover.

As mentioned earlier , social distancing is not viable in a dressing room...all it takes is for one player, management , medic etc to test positive and whole group have to isolate for 14 days....you can't have that and hope to play games on a regular basis.

Better is GAA stopped with the kite flying and forget about games for the foreseeable .

I agree.

Best thing for GAA - club and county to do is say no games/action at all this year.  Start afresh in 2021.

That way is the only way to have certainty about it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on April 18, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Absolutely , you're talking at least 4-6 weeks of collective training for it to be even an option ...especially if games are played off quickly , players won't have the capacity to play and recover.

As mentioned earlier , social distancing is not viable in a dressing room...all it takes is for one player, management , medic etc to test positive and whole group have to isolate for 14 days....you can't have that and hope to play games on a regular basis.

Better is GAA stopped with the kite flying and forget about games for the foreseeable .

Yeah, the intercounty season is not viable without crowds and that and I don't think you can play a season when the threat still looms as you said as when on person picks it up it could conceivably infect a whole squad and potentially an opposition team.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 18, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
Games should resume behind closed doors - Derry boss Gallagher - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/52325394

Tally says, "The priority first though has got to be people being safe."

Paddy Tally agrees that the games can only return when it is right from a public health perspective

So when will it be safe? July, August? Just takes one player to have it and pass it. Then what happens when one player shows symptoms and they have all been in a dressing room together? Do the entire squad isolate? Any risk no games, it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on April 18, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
So the whole island will have to stick to social distancing/restrictions but sports team and players will be allowed to crack on. Not sure this can happen as it would promote a mixed message and many would see it as a signal sure why cant we all just get on with it! Hope I'm wrong but i just see too many pitfalls. 1 player contracts and then an outbreak develops and one person gets seriously ill. Golf/tennis/snooker will be sports that may be a lot easier to get going but contact games a lot more difficult.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on April 18, 2020, 11:03:07 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Absolutely , you're talking at least 4-6 weeks of collective training for it to be even an option ...especially if games are played off quickly , players won't have the capacity to play and recover.

As mentioned earlier , social distancing is not viable in a dressing room...all it takes is for one player, management , medic etc to test positive and whole group have to isolate for 14 days....you can't have that and hope to play games on a regular basis.

Better is GAA stopped with the kite flying and forget about games for the foreseeable .

I agree.

Best thing for GAA - club and county to do is say no games/action at all this year.  Start afresh in 2021.

That way is the only way to have certainty about it.

Yeah I agree with both of you.

No point crowds being banned from games but players are put in danger. Doesnít make sense.

The AI championships wonít be played this year. Letís forget about it and aim to go again for the McKenna/NFL in January. At this stage, thatís a more realistic target.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: pbat on April 18, 2020, 11:44:42 AM
They should move all age levels up a year in 2021 so lads get the opportunity to play there last year of minor etc.  I would if possible try and get the Mc Crory cup final played as that's a once in a lifetime for the two teams. I am not sure if the schools finals has been played in other provinces.

Scrap the league finals and if the opportunity is there in Nov/Dec play the last 2 rounds of league games off so 2021 starts with correct leagues.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 19, 2020, 02:12:53 PM
The govt won't allow mass gatherings during the summer

Why not run the 2020 football championship as sudden death for divisions 3 and 4 next spring?

Then repeat once every decade.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 19, 2020, 02:23:47 PM
You're well named SeafůidŪn  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 19, 2020, 02:51:37 PM
They should move all age levels up a year in 2021 so lads get the opportunity to play there last year of minor etc.  I would if possible try and get the Mc Crory cup final played as that's a once in a lifetime for the two teams. I am not sure if the schools finals has been played in other provinces.

Scrap the league finals and if the opportunity is there in Nov/Dec play the last 2 rounds of league games off so 2021 starts with correct leagues.

Back to u18 and U21s you mean ;D that would be great as I am not a fan of these new age groups.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on April 19, 2020, 03:23:51 PM
Why do you assume 4-5 weeks of prep training will be necessary for county teams? Thereís absolutely nothing normal about this situation, so having another full pre season period is ludicrous. Itís not as if they will have put on 4 stone and not able to move. A couple of weeks working on the basics and a few tactics do rightly. If it ever happens. Same for club.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 19, 2020, 04:28:17 PM
It could be like thirty plus years ago when teams didnít train as much and hadnít as much time to prepare tactics. Could be like the seventies and eighties again lol.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 19, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you think any team is going to stick to this?

A defender 2m away from a forward.

Sounds good but unrealistic.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on April 19, 2020, 06:07:26 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

And as you can also probably appreciate that as most clubs in Ireland pay a man or two to coach, and this money never shows up anywhere in club accounts, that itís genuinely impossible to trust any club to abide by any rules.

Fuckwits train on Christmas Day to ďget an advantageĒ ffs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 06:16:19 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you think any team is going to stick to this?

A defender 2m away from a forward.

Sounds good but unrealistic.

Training drill routines are wide and various and do not have to involve defender v forward. No man to man duels, just like is being done in other countries and totally compliant with covid guidelines.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 19, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
And will these 12 use the dressing rooms or change under a bush?
Anyway while the GAA's Insurance is suspended that wont be happening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Tatler Jack on April 20, 2020, 03:05:19 PM
Quote
Do you think any team is going to stick to this?

A defender 2m away from a forward.

Sounds good but unrealistic.

Donít think Roscommon defenders would have any problem with this!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 20, 2020, 08:49:16 PM
And will these 12 use the dressing rooms or change under a bush?
Anyway while the GAA's Insurance is suspended that wont be happening.
Do you think that it cant be organised, that GAA players are so stupid and ignorent that they cannot follow the basic rational guidelines of a coach in exceptional circumstances, in  exceptional times?  That details like dressing room and shower procedures  cannot be organised? Training will have to resume at some stage and just how do you think it is going to happen, players flock to GAA clubs all at once and it's all okay?
Is it not  more desirable that the opening of GAA sports begins in controlled steps, that players learn how to train and be compliant at the same time, learn by good habit and by being responsible.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on April 20, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you envisage drills using the ball? If one player has Coronavirus thereís a good chance heíll pass it on to everyone else just by them all touching the same ball.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 20, 2020, 09:47:13 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you envisage drills using the ball? If one player has Coronavirus thereís a good chance heíll pass it on to everyone else just by them all touching the same ball.
How does that happen?  that 1 in a million chance a ball get "infected"  and it happens that a player has an irresistable impulse to lick that football?
No I don't envisage that to happen, it is beyond my imagination.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on April 21, 2020, 07:34:15 AM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you envisage drills using the ball? If one player has Coronavirus thereís a good chance heíll pass it on to everyone else just by them all touching the same ball.
How does that happen?  that 1 in a million chance a ball get "infected"  and it happens that a player has an irresistable impulse to lick that football?
No I don't envisage that to happen, it is beyond my imagination.

The virus can transfer and live on surfaces, thatís why we wash our hands often. The virus could easily transfer to the ball, just the same as if someone was out shopping and transfers the virus onto surfaces in the shop.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 21, 2020, 11:30:39 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-to-seek-clarification-of-health-minister-simon-harris-views-on-mass-gatherings-39143974.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 21, 2020, 12:01:02 PM
Was listening to an interview where they mentioned maybe having some form of social distancing in stands, odd they don't seem to be worried about what happens on the pitch? Is there to be no social distancing there?

https://youtu.be/traiDANVlag

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2020, 12:20:21 PM
Was listening to an interview where they mentioned maybe having some form of social distancing in stands, odd they don't seem to be worried about what happens on the pitch? Is there to be no social distancing there?

https://youtu.be/traiDANVlag
The ďup his shirtĒ call from the sideline will be banned
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 21, 2020, 11:03:26 PM
Would anyone like to see an autumn championship as a one off just for this year  games under lights on a saturday night under lights might be good for games. All ireland final 5pm saturday kick off.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 22, 2020, 12:22:09 AM
No and theres no kick off either.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 22, 2020, 01:30:45 PM
So  no provincial  club championships this  year so maybe they should double the provincial club championships next season so any team that wins a county championship this year still gets to compete for the provincial and all ireland titles so that would be an 18  team ulster club championship or if same team  wins both they are the sole representive in the county..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 22, 2020, 02:24:13 PM
This might be mad but if I was Tom Ryan now I'd be having county boards provisionally plan county football and hurling championships in August/September, and the possibility of staging knockout intercounty championship in both codes in October and November. If the latter is a non-runner, have counties run shortened club leagues in late autumn into early winter. I'd forget about finishing the national leagues and I'd drop the provincial and All Ireland club championships this year,
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: vallankumous on April 22, 2020, 02:35:31 PM
No and theres no kick off either.

Ye can still have the row kick off
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on April 22, 2020, 03:03:58 PM
This might be mad but if I was Tom Ryan now I'd be having county boards provisionally plan county football and hurling championships in August/September, and the possibility of staging knockout intercounty championship in both codes in October and November. If the latter is a non-runner, have counties run shortened club leagues in late autumn into early winter. I'd forget about finishing the national leagues and I'd drop the provincial and All Ireland club championships this year,

The only thing Tom Ryan should be doing now is reminding members that as and when the government(s) permit team sport again, and insurers have given the resultant all clear, that teams can then then return to training.

It wonít take more than a few days at that point to either sort out a full or truncated schedule, or to dismiss the entire season. Simply divide the numbers of weeks left in the year by the number of teams willing to compete, and you get the start point. Everything after that is fine-tuning.

Any planning before the government announcements is  a waste of time.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 22, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
With no Provincial and All Ireland championship likely this year I'm starting to wonder how many of players in their 30s and late 20s will be seen in their county colours again? A year or longer without inter-county football is sure to have a big change in management also.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 22, 2020, 05:12:48 PM
Antrim had pulled some of their best players out of retirement :(

I do wonder about Cluxton. Maybe boys like Moran from Kerry and the likes of Cavanagh from Tyrone could see an earlier end too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 23, 2020, 02:05:05 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-meet-on-friday-amid-dire-financial-threat-of-losing-championship-summer-1.4230886
 
The GAA meets by remote special congress on Friday against a backdrop of huge financial uncertainty for the association. Intensifying concerns over whether a championship can take place given doubts about the lifting of social restrictions mean that virtually all of the revenues for 2020 are in doubt.

Director general Tom Ryan estimated the potential cost of losing the championship as in the region of Ä60 million, which is nearly the entire revenue of Ä73 million for last year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 23, 2020, 02:20:19 PM
That was last Friday ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 26, 2020, 12:27:16 PM
Asked whether there was any chance of people being able to play sport outside this summer, Mr Raab said this would be "very difficult because of the level and scale of interaction".

But he added: "I think the professional sport may be different because of the scale of testing that they would be able to introduce.

Take what you want out of this.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on April 26, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
scale of testing they are able to do?  So are premier league clubs able to produce their own tests/labs etc or is the government gonna prioritise professional sport ?. Does that mean that if i get a test done then i can get on with my business?. I've said it before it will send a wrong message to a lot of people particularly those not interested in sport if they turn on there telly and see social guidance being broken just so sport can carry on. Oh but they got tests done, yeah but I feel great so ill just crack on. I just cant see how contact sports and the government guidance can marry up.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on April 26, 2020, 01:38:59 PM
scale of testing they are able to do?  So are premier league clubs able to produce their own tests/labs etc or is the government gonna prioritise professional sport ?. Does that mean that if i get a test done then i can get on with my business?. I've said it before it will send a wrong message to a lot of people particularly those not interested in sport if they turn on there telly and see social guidance being broken just so sport can carry on. Oh but they got tests done, yeah but I feel great so ill just crack on. I just cant see how contact sports and the government guidance can marry up.

There will be a huge amount of scenario planning done before any relaxations are permitted. Maintaining the discipline of the majority is key. Football on free to air tv might help especially end of season. If soccer can afford the tests (and it would have to regular testing) and the game was able to make every possible adjustment the residual risk might me worth taking. Iím saying might. None of us have the data. Governments might want professional sport to take this risk. Professional sport might not want to take the risk. What is in it for them if there is no gate receipts, they donít get any new TV money from the free to air stuff, they have already bagged the pay tv money and the sponsorship revenues?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on April 27, 2020, 12:30:28 PM

John Horan admitted both the club and inter-county championships could now run into next year,

"We're open to that if that's a possibility," he said.

"We'd just adjust the 2021 season. I think there's a hunger and an appetite out there among both players and spectators to see the games being played. I think people would accept that if we were to make such a decision that it would be to the benefit of everyone involved."

Two weeks ago the GAA said that the championships were "highly unlikely" to begin before the month of July, but Horan said the prospect of a further delay is increasing.

"We're going to act totally responsibly. Social distancing of two metres is a high priority at the moment, I can't see contact sport coming on board in the short term.

"We're an amateur sport. I know there's a lot of speculation that professional sports like rugby and soccer may come back here in Ireland and overseas, but that's probably in the sense that they've cocooned their players.

"Our amateur athletes, they go back to their families, they go back to their work place. We can't put any of those people, or those people they come in contact with, at risk just for the sake of playing games. We won't be making any rushed decision on this.

"If and when we do return, the club scene will be our priority because 98% of our activity happens at club level. As we're looking at it at the moment, our return initially will be back to club activity before we engage in the inter-county playing."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Mourne Red on April 27, 2020, 02:08:28 PM
We talking a couple of months, possibly in the summer before club activity starts up again? Just asking because I haven't been doing the runs at the moment so need would need to get caught up before training starts again  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 27, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?

Liquidator.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?

Liquidator.

My point is they cannot lift social distancing for a long long time possibly three years or more , perhaps life will never be the same again . Itís way more serious than most of us think Iím guessing now .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 27, 2020, 05:56:37 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?

Liquidator.

My point is they cannot lift social distancing for a long long time possibly three years or more , perhaps life will never be the same again . Itís way more serious than most of us think Iím guessing now .

I agree 100% and my single word reply to you was not in jest. We are much nearer the edge of a precipice than we think. If the hysteria doesn't abate soon, then literally anything is possible.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: omaghjoe on April 27, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?

Liquidator.

My point is they cannot lift social distancing for a long long time possibly three years or more , perhaps life will never be the same again . Itís way more serious than most of us think Iím guessing now .

I agree 100% and my single word reply to you was not in jest. We are much nearer the edge of a precipice than we think. If the hysteria doesn't abate soon, then literally anything is possible.

IF they never discover either we will have to rely on herd immunity, so the epidemic will have to run its "natural" (albeit with a much slower infection rate due to the mitigation) course. Once 60%+ (could be more depending on who you listen to) of the populace have been infected the virus can no longer spread in the community
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 27, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
IF they never discover either we will have to rely on herd immunity, so the epidemic will have to run its "natural" (albeit with a much slower infection rate due to the mitigation) course. Once 60%+ (could be more depending on who you listen to) of the populace have been infected the virus can no longer spread in the community

If we persist indefinitely with social distancing, it will take years to achieve herd immunity. And in the meantime a new strain or some other disease could come along.

What happens a club or county board that defaults on its bank repayments for 2 or 3 years? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 28, 2020, 01:22:33 PM
IF they never discover either we will have to rely on herd immunity, so the epidemic will have to run its "natural" (albeit with a much slower infection rate due to the mitigation) course. Once 60%+ (could be more depending on who you listen to) of the populace have been infected the virus can no longer spread in the community

If we persist indefinitely with social distancing, it will take years to achieve herd immunity. And in the meantime a new strain or some other disease could come along.

What happens a club or county board that defaults on its bank repayments for 2 or 3 years? Asking for a friend.
A vaccine might be developed before your scenario becomes real
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
IF they never discover either we will have to rely on herd immunity, so the epidemic will have to run its "natural" (albeit with a much slower infection rate due to the mitigation) course. Once 60%+ (could be more depending on who you listen to) of the populace have been infected the virus can no longer spread in the community

If we persist indefinitely with social distancing, it will take years to achieve herd immunity. And in the meantime a new strain or some other disease could come along.

What happens a club or county board that defaults on its bank repayments for 2 or 3 years? Asking for a friend.
A vaccine might be developed before your scenario becomes real

But this is the point of the discussion what if there is never a vaccine which is likely imo listening to the change in tone of various scientists the last 72 hrs , the change in tone has been very evident , a lot less confident than they were in the weeks previous.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
We'll all be rooned says Larryin
Before the year is out.
Doooooom and glooooom.
I see Horan talking about having the 2020 and 2021 Champiinships next year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 03:13:36 PM
We'll all be rooned says Larryin
Before the year is out.
Doooooom and glooooom.
I see Horan talking about having the 2020 and 2021 Champiinships next year.

Iím just trying to work out is it possible to get back to the way things were next year in the absence of a vaccine or cure . 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 28, 2020, 03:17:19 PM
I see Horan talking about having the 2020 and 2021 Champiinships next year.
Before all this they didn't even have enough time to play the McKenna Cup and the Championship in a single year, let alone two separate Championships.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 03:49:47 PM
Might never be another game of Gaelic football played for years . Remember larryin told ye first .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 28, 2020, 04:03:59 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking the same risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

I agree with him.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 28, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 05:19:18 PM
Iím still baffled why the hard questions arenít asked , if a journalist just asked a couple of yes/no questions it would stop all the speculation.

Do you need a vaccine or cure to end social distancing rule ? Yes or no
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
Yes.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Yes.

So thereís a possibility we might not see our amateur sport for a long time to come . Strange times .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on April 30, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on April 30, 2020, 11:37:20 AM
Iím still baffled why the hard questions arenít asked , if a journalist just asked a couple of yes/no questions it would stop all the speculation.

Do you need a vaccine or cure to end social distancing rule ? Yes or no

The answer to that question is yes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on April 30, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.

Gaa is only Amatuer. Professional Leagues like the Dutch and French have cancelled their season, with more likely to follow like Seria A.

I saw a guideline for how they plan to play Bundesliga behind closeds doors, and it wouldn't be possible in GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 30, 2020, 11:54:37 AM
Iím still baffled why the hard questions arenít asked , if a journalist just asked a couple of yes/no questions it would stop all the speculation.

Do you need a vaccine or cure to end social distancing rule ? Yes or no

The answer to that question is yes.

The 1957/58 pandemic was contained by the release of a vaccine in mid to late 1957 but the virus circulated nonetheless for another 11 years and generated another less serious pandemic in 1968.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%9358_influenza_pandemic
https://www.britannica.com/event/Asian-flu-of-1957

It would be lunacy to persist with social distancing for 11 years.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 11:55:59 AM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.

I am not sure in this context it is that different. Thousands of players and hundreds of thousands of spectators for an entire year. Yes they are from one country but that won't matter if social distancing rules are applied.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 30, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Would many people even go to matches now anyway and expose themselves to the risk?
 We know a lot more about the virus and it isn't pleasant.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on April 30, 2020, 02:22:49 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.

I am not sure in this context it is that different. Thousands of players and hundreds of thousands of spectators for an entire year. Yes they are from one country but that won't matter if social distancing rules are applied.

Yes but the Olympics brings all of these people from all parts of the world, all differently affected by the virus, in to one concentrated place, in the main.

Agree social distancing makes anything very hard, but the amount of people descending on the Olympics coming from all parts into one location in my opinion makes it different.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on April 30, 2020, 02:26:18 PM
Look, the key difference between the Olympics and GAA is that the former engages/affects/inbound travels/accommodates/coordinates tens of thousands of athletes from dozens of otherwise unrelated sporting organisations.

Comparing the Olympics  to the GAA is like comparing the GAA to a charity 5-a-side bank holiday tournament on one pitch.


This doesnít mean that Gaelic Games wonít be cancelled en masse for 2020 (and/or 2021). But the small and very manageable number of stakeholders and decision makers does mean the GAA can actually change their direction in a heartbeat. The Olympics cannot.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 03:02:29 PM
I understand the differences. They're both f**ked is my point. For the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if you are coming from half a mile up the road or 10,000 miles across the ocean.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Zulu on April 30, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
I understand the differences. They're both f**ked is my point. For the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if you are coming from half a mile up the road or 10,000 miles across the ocean.

Yes it does. You could be bringing the virus in from countries far less successful at containing it and/or bringing it back into countries that had it well contained after the Olympics. The Olympics carries a risk of spreading the virus worldwide again, the championship does not.

If the championship is not possible in some capacity, limit crowd size, not allow over 65's (or some age restriction) or people with underlining conditions (that would be self-regulated), use only certain grounds, like Thurles, Clones, Croke Park etc. where people could only sit in designated seats etc. by 2021 then what can we allow back? How are schools and universities any less risky? What about businesses? Governments can't afford to pay hundreds of thousands of people to not work indefinitely.

I think we'll be back playing sport before the end of this year just not with the same structure as previously.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on April 30, 2020, 04:10:05 PM
What about players who have underlining conditions like asthma or diabetes? Players like Jack McCaffrey work in medical so how could he go from that to playing GAA.? Does he put himself in a hotel for 2 weeks to isolate?
What about players who might live with parents who are are elderly

Far more risks in a Amatuer Sport
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 30, 2020, 04:18:11 PM
I understand the differences. They're both f**ked is my point. For the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if you are coming from half a mile up the road or 10,000 miles across the ocean.

Yes it does. You could be bringing the virus in from countries far less successful at containing it and/or bringing it back into countries that had it well contained after the Olympics. The Olympics carries a risk of spreading the virus worldwide again, the championship does not.

If the championship is not possible in some capacity, limit crowd size, not allow over 65's (or some age restriction) or people with underlining conditions (that would be self-regulated), use only certain grounds, like Thurles, Clones, Croke Park etc. where people could only sit in designated seats etc. by 2021 then what can we allow back? How are schools and universities any less risky? What about businesses? Governments can't afford to pay hundreds of thousands of people to not work indefinitely.

I think we'll be back playing sport before the end of this year just not with the same structure as previously.
So it's OK to socially distance supporters but  not the players?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 04:50:50 PM
Yeah that is a thing that stands out to me. I don't know how they're getting away with it in any sport in any country to be honest.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 30, 2020, 05:03:59 PM
Yeah that is a thing that stands out to me. I don't know how they're getting away with it in any sport in any country to be honest.

Some individual sports, e.g. javelin throwing, perhaps golf, or things like horse racing might be possible. But not team contact sports.
However, in New Zealand they'll eliminate the virus and the All Blacks will be even better after an additional years training.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 30, 2020, 05:30:10 PM
Beginning to hurt now :(

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-announce-more-wage-cuts-as-it-reveals-inter-county-games-programme-increasingly-unlikely-in-coming-months-39170855.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Zulu on April 30, 2020, 07:13:21 PM
I understand the differences. They're both f**ked is my point. For the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if you are coming from half a mile up the road or 10,000 miles across the ocean.

Yes it does. You could be bringing the virus in from countries far less successful at containing it and/or bringing it back into countries that had it well contained after the Olympics. The Olympics carries a risk of spreading the virus worldwide again, the championship does not.

If the championship is not possible in some capacity, limit crowd size, not allow over 65's (or some age restriction) or people with underlining conditions (that would be self-regulated), use only certain grounds, like Thurles, Clones, Croke Park etc. where people could only sit in designated seats etc. by 2021 then what can we allow back? How are schools and universities any less risky? What about businesses? Governments can't afford to pay hundreds of thousands of people to not work indefinitely.

I think we'll be back playing sport before the end of this year just not with the same structure as previously.
So it's OK to socially distance supporters but  not the players?

The point I'm making though is if schools and universities are back and not completely online, if a number of businesses are back open like construction, shops, smaller coffee shops and restaurants are open by September/October how would a modified championship be a significantly greater risk of spreading the virus? If the above isn't happening by September/October how do people survive anyway? I just think at some point society will have to balance the risk of the virus with the risk of keeping society totally shut down.

Sport may not be economically essential but it is essential to a functioning society.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on April 30, 2020, 09:39:42 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.

Gaa is only Amatuer. Professional Leagues like the Dutch and French have cancelled their season, with more likely to follow like Seria A.

I saw a guideline for how they plan to play Bundesliga behind closeds doors, and it wouldn't be possible in GAA.

I was reading about the premier league's plans to return. They reckon to test all players/staff involved twice a week until the season is finished would cost £2 million. I hadn't thought about the cost of testing but that immediately makes it unviable in the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 01, 2020, 11:41:41 AM
The point I'm making though is if schools and universities are back and not completely online, if a number of businesses are back open like construction, shops, smaller coffee shops and restaurants are open by September/October how would a modified championship be a significantly greater risk of spreading the virus? If the above isn't happening by September/October how do people survive anyway? I just think at some point society will have to balance the risk of the virus with the risk of keeping society totally shut down.

Sport may not be economically essential but it is essential to a functioning society.

Agree 100%. If we don't adapt as a society to the virus, it will destroy us anyway as all the cocooning and social distancing will inevitably lower our natural defences.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . Itís an amateur sport , you canít have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

Itís over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 01, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . Itís an amateur sport , you canít have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

Itís over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

we can have some free taking competitions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 01, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . Itís an amateur sport , you canít have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

Itís over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Government have said GAA can return from July 20th... Iím presuming for Clubs.

Will be interesting to see if the GAA go with that as well although Iíd imagine theyíve been consulted!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 01, 2020, 08:06:24 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 01, 2020, 08:11:01 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing

This might be a stupid question but how can you follow the limit on social distancing in training or games?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 01, 2020, 08:37:11 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing

This might be a stupid question but how can you follow the limit on social distancing in training or games?

Also what about transport to games for underage etc??

Lots to still work out!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 01, 2020, 08:42:36 PM
The key thing here though is the game and the players. It doesnít work if you have social distancing.

All other logistics questions are peripheral. You canít have everyone in the world social distancing except sports players on a field or wherever they are playing!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 01, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing

This might be a stupid question but how can you follow the limit on social distancing in training or games?
It'll put an end to blanket defending anyway.
Will the outfield pitch have 28 squares with only 1 player allowed in each?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 01, 2020, 09:56:53 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . Itís an amateur sport , you canít have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

Itís over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Your first line is simply not true. As has been outlined this evening.

I also stand by my other point that comparing the Olympics to the GAA is not the same.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 10:24:07 PM
Iím losing my mind over this , I wish someone would answer , how can you social distance and play a game of football ffs
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: hardstation on May 01, 2020, 10:25:14 PM
Iím losing my mind over this , I wish someone would answer , how can you social distance and play a game of football ffs
Have you ever seen Antrimís backs?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . Itís an amateur sport , you canít have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

Itís over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Your first line is simply not true. As has been outlined this evening.

I also stand by my other point that comparing the Olympics to the GAA is not the same.

But my point has been the same all along, if social distancing is a rule , how can you play Gaelic football .



ďFrom 20 July, the government says GAA and soccer teams will be allowed resume activities, but only where limitations are placed on the numbers of spectators and where social distancing can be maintainedĒ

This is a contradiction surely

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 01, 2020, 10:37:20 PM
Agree L89, said it a few times. But heres one.

so say it's allowed in the 26 but not in the 6, so what does Ulster do? Do the GAA just play in jurisdiction?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2020, 10:37:41 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: hardstation on May 01, 2020, 10:39:13 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..
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Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Downtothewire on May 01, 2020, 10:58:06 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..

Itís a wonder he knew what the GAA was!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2020, 11:32:48 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..

Itís a wonder he knew what the GAA was!!

He thinks or was told the GAA is a partial contact sport.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..

Itís a wonder he knew what the GAA was!!

He thinks or was told the GAA is a partial contact sport.
How could any Dublin FG politician tell the GAA there would be no AIFs. He'd be crucified   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 02, 2020, 07:44:02 AM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . Itís an amateur sport , you canít have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

Itís over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Your first line is simply not true. As has been outlined this evening.

I also stand by my other point that comparing the Olympics to the GAA is not the same.

But my point has been the same all along, if social distancing is a rule , how can you play Gaelic football .



ďFrom 20 July, the government says GAA and soccer teams will be allowed resume activities, but only where limitations are placed on the numbers of spectators and where social distancing can be maintainedĒ

This is a contradiction surely

I would be in full agreement here. So everyone in society social distances except when you are on a pitch? Where is a) the sense or b) the fairness in this.(to the players)

Are they meant to self isolate after?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2020, 08:34:28 AM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . Itís an amateur sport , you canít have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

Itís over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Your first line is simply not true. As has been outlined this evening.

I also stand by my other point that comparing the Olympics to the GAA is not the same.

But my point has been the same all along, if social distancing is a rule , how can you play Gaelic football .



ďFrom 20 July, the government says GAA and soccer teams will be allowed resume activities, but only where limitations are placed on the numbers of spectators and where social distancing can be maintainedĒ

This is a contradiction surely

I would be in full agreement here. So everyone in society social distances except when you are on a pitch? Where is a) the sense or b) the fairness in this.(to the players)

Are they meant to self isolate after?

It's not black and white. It will be impossible to social distance in certain scenarios, you look at the way we've lived our lives up until now.

We are in the grips of the pandemic, there will be peaks and valleys with it. At the minute the measures are in place to stop hospitals being overwhelmed by it, when the virus is suppressed to certain degrees, restrictions will gradually be lifted and probably brought back in again if it starts to spread again. Science is having a nightmare with this, they still don't really know a lot about it with regards immunity, vaccines, successful treatments, anitbodies etc. so its all speculation.

We don't know a lot about it but the measures are not there to prevent people getting sick or dying, that's inevitable and it will happen - it's to contain its spread so that hospitals can cope with the level of infections. We all saw the graphs months back about how this virus could nearly have been at an end in the next few months if nothing was done but that would have led to huge losses of life and the health service being ran into the ground.

I'd imagine the club season will go ahead at some point this season barring a second wave. There will have to be some sort of return to normality, spectator sports is a different thing as having the likes of 50k in confined spaces is a no go until you really topple this virus but as far as people going back and playing team sports, it's going to happen - you will see it across Europe in the coming months. Apart from association football though, it's hard to see how other pro sports will survive financially without spectators present.

Can the likes of a tennis slam be viable behind closed doors? I really don't think so. Pro rugby is hugely reliant on spectators as it's a niche sport with little global appeal and does not have the huge financial revenue association football gets globally from broadcasting rights.

But amateur team sports and contact sports will return in some guise this year I'd say as long as the virus is being managed. The people are going to demand some of their liberties as long as the virus is not overwhelming them.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 02, 2020, 08:45:36 AM
I donít doubt sport will come back but it is not consistent application of standards for a player to social distance in all of his life then drop out of it for the duration of a match on the pitch and then go back to it.

Yes anything being done is about containment I agree it just seems a bit inconsistent that is all. Not necessarily about the Gaa but sports in general.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 02, 2020, 08:57:17 AM
One of the things they wish to avoid is people giving the virus to randomers. If team x play team y and someone proves to have the virus then it is 14 days in isolation for all concerned. If you have pubs etc then you don't know who you met, this is where the apps come in
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2020, 08:57:50 AM
I donít doubt sport will come back but it is not consistent application of standards for a player to social distance in all of his life then drop out of it for the duration of a match on the pitch and then go back to it.

Yes anything being done is about containment I agree it just seems a bit inconsistent that is all. Not necessarily about the Gaa but sports in general.

But certain things are going to be exempted with regards to people's liberties and wellbeing. They will be done when legislators and medics feel the risk is acceptable and if things go bad again, they'll be restricted again. Living as we are now is merely a stop gap situation where they fear the consequences of the virus. The next few weeks and months will be crucial and there will be a close eye kept on the European countries easing back on the restrictions.

How viable are businesses like cinemas, restaurants, pubs, gyms etc with social distancing in place? The virus is there and is not going to disappear without a vaccine, it's all about managing and controlling its spread and some avenues are going to be eased even if there are some contraventions in best standards so long as risk is minimised.

The days of 50k packed stadiums and arenas for live events ,crowded pubs and restaurants etc won't return until the virus has been dealt with in such a way that hospitals can cope with the numbers.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2020, 09:09:55 AM
If you are back at work after being off for over 6 weeks so far, and more to come, how is it fair for someone to then catch it and be off work again, be sick and lose much needed earnings? Madness
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 02, 2020, 09:18:57 AM
It's worth pointing out that in the UK, and hence in Arlene's 6 counties work can still happen even we it is not possible to socially distance.  They suggest that mitigation measures are needed, such as working back to back or wearing PPE which I accept can't be done on a pitch. But just want to state that social distancing is not a definite requirement, even today, in the UK.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 02, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Can it work legally?

Letís play out a scenario, Dublin v Meath behind closed doors , live TV game . Match is full of scuffles , mentors , subs etc involved in a big ding dong .

The whole country sees it as weíve been deprived of sport for months .  tommo the hill16 regular has a load of his mates round , Garda are called later that night to tommos house cause of noise complaints. Garda arrive and say lads , ye are breaking the law here for a start there is about thirty of you in a house , social distancing is impossible in this situation, I will have to arrest you unless ye  go home .

Tommo says youíll have to arrest all the Dublin and Meath players too then . No social distancing there today and I have it recorded for ye as video eveidence if you need it .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2020, 03:21:50 PM
Can it work legally?

Letís play out a scenario, Dublin v Meath behind closed doors , live TV game . Match is full of scuffles , mentors , subs etc involved in a big ding dong .

The whole country sees it as weíve been deprived of sport for months .  tommo the hill16 regular has a load of his mates round , Garda are called later that night to tommos house cause of noise complaints. Garda arrive and say lads , ye are breaking the law here for a start there is about thirty of you in a house , social distancing is impossible in this situation, I will have to arrest you unless ye  go home .

Tommo says youíll have to arrest all the Dublin and Meath players too then . No social distancing there today and I have it recorded for ye as video eveidence if you need it .

Meath wouldnít get close to Dublin the judge would say
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 02, 2020, 03:46:02 PM
No real official clarification from the GAA yet but I suppose itís a target.

From my own point of view as an underage coach thereís every chance football resumes at the end of July but parents wonít let 10 lads back because they donít believe itís safe yet so where does that leave teams?

A lot of work to do before this is sorted!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 02, 2020, 04:01:47 PM
Under normal circumstances the 2020 GAA football championship would be commencing in Ruislip right now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 02, 2020, 04:27:23 PM
Wed be about 8 points to 2 up at this stage ;D without playing particularly well.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on May 02, 2020, 10:55:11 PM
Iím losing my mind over this , I wish someone would answer , how can you social distance and play a game of football ffs
Have you ever seen Antrimís backs?

 ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on May 03, 2020, 07:57:37 AM
Agree L89, said it a few times. But heres one.

so say it's allowed in the 26 but not in the 6, so what does Ulster do? Do the GAA just play in jurisdiction?

This is a good point. Nobody is going to set the UK as an example to follow but itís been on a different course that RoI since itís initial delay. The numbers are still way to high in UK including NI. Whatever relaxations are announced in UK/NI need to reflect this. Subsequent decisions  around the acceleration, deferral or reversal of relaxation phases have to be on that basis. Itís going to be exceptionally difficult to organise inter county GAA given these real and potential differences.

Club activity might be slightly different where NI/RoI differences could be accommodated. Same would apply to underage.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 03, 2020, 02:40:18 PM
How many players in total play Gaelic games in the whole country ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
500,000?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on May 04, 2020, 06:07:55 AM
Should they cancel the championship now and let clubs take centre stage in the autumn,Seems like gaa are insistent of not changing format to a knock out that can be done in 5 or 6 weeks seems like they are scared of an open draw knockout.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 07:40:49 AM
Should they cancel the championship now and let clubs take centre stage in the autumn,Seems like gaa are insistent of not changing format to a knock out that can be done in 5 or 6 weeks seems like they are scared of an open draw knockout.

What if straight knockout is a success and public opinion goes in that direction??

Losing all that revenue from qualifiers and Super 8s wouldnít sit well with the suits!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 07:43:24 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/october-now-looks-earliest-start-time-for-championship-39178145.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 04, 2020, 09:31:14 AM
I was wondering when we were going to see the detail of the proposed plan (following the news from govt last week).

From reading the guidance, even if we don't get any setbacks as we move through the relaxation phases, I still wasn't really any the wiser when club teams could expect to be back doing "normal" training.  And presumably games couldn't start until approx 4 weeks after clubs begin training again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 04, 2020, 10:47:47 AM
How will a game work with social distancing?
Will coming closer than 2m be a yellow, black or red card offence?
Will players have to wear masks or visors?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on May 04, 2020, 12:02:02 PM
How will a game work with social distancing?
Will coming closer than 2m be a yellow, black or red card offence?
Will players have to wear masks or visors?

Something like that. Anybody receiving the ball from a hand pass will have 5 seconds to wipe the ball and players going down needing attention will be dispatched by a Garda marksman. Local militias will undertake this role in the north.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 04, 2020, 12:49:25 PM
ďThe return of team sports will not be recommended by the National Public Health Emergency Team before a vaccine for the coronavirus or anti-viral medicine is discovered.Ē

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cillian-de-gascun-team-sports-are-going-to-be-in-a-very-difficult-position-1.4243847?mode=amp

There is so much contradiction in reports day to day .

Someone said there were 500k gaa players , now Iíll ask again how can you say itís ok to park social distancing for these guys and girls for a few hours every week but anyone else will be arrested ?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 04, 2020, 12:59:36 PM
ďThe return of team sports will not be recommended by the National Public Health Emergency Team before a vaccine for the coronavirus or anti-viral medicine is discovered.Ē

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cillian-de-gascun-team-sports-are-going-to-be-in-a-very-difficult-position-1.4243847?mode=amp

There is so much contradiction in reports day to day .

Someone said there were 500k gaa players , now Iíll ask again how can you say itís ok to park social distancing for these guys and girls for a few hours every week but anyone else will be arrested ?

The virus can leave people with damaged organs. Even if someone survives they could die of the flu next Christmas.  It isn't worth it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on May 04, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: joemamas on May 04, 2020, 06:05:35 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Unfortunately, an accurate and very realistic comment.
I also have pretty much given up on it, have also stopped reading the shite articles that are being produced by a host of former footballers on various media outlets, it is apparently all about the clicks and advertising revenue associated with same. IMO I truly wish the same media outlets would just say lads, no more articles or polls for the time being, we will reassess where we stand in August.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on May 05, 2020, 02:34:03 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.


Well said. Couldn't have put it better myself. The sooner we knock 2020 on the head the better.....pure fantasyland to think contact team sports could be viable this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 05, 2020, 02:55:01 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.

If that's the case, we might never play again, at least this decade. The 1957/58 Asian flu pandemic went away after a vaccine was circulated only to mutate and return eleven years later in 1968 to kill another million people worldwide. Normal life did not grind to a halt either time.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.

If that's the case, we might never play again, at least this decade. The 1957/58 Asian flu pandemic went away after a vaccine was circulated only to mutate and return eleven years later in 1968 to kill another million people worldwide. Normal life did not grind to a halt either time.
how can you compare them to now, so are saying we do nothing, no social distancing, bring everyone back to work, risk lives?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 05, 2020, 03:18:24 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.

If that's the case, we might never play again, at least this decade. The 1957/58 Asian flu pandemic went away after a vaccine was circulated only to mutate and return eleven years later in 1968 to kill another million people worldwide. Normal life did not grind to a halt either time.
how can you compare them to now, so are saying we do nothing, no social distancing, bring everyone back to work, risk lives?

You're saying we should ignore the lessons of the last global pandemic while dealing with this one? Wow.

If you're waiting for a vaccine that eliminates all risk, you'll be waiting forever.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 03:31:17 PM
What would you suggest we do square ball if a vaccine is never found?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.

If that's the case, we might never play again, at least this decade. The 1957/58 Asian flu pandemic went away after a vaccine was circulated only to mutate and return eleven years later in 1968 to kill another million people worldwide. Normal life did not grind to a halt either time.
how can you compare them to now, so are saying we do nothing, no social distancing, bring everyone back to work, risk lives?

You're saying we should ignore the lessons of the last global pandemic while dealing with this one? Wow.

If you're waiting for a vaccine that eliminates all risk, you'll be waiting forever.

Where did I say we should ignore the lessons of the past? I certainly don't know enough to compare the different strains of the virus, how virulent they were, I don't know what they did and diddnt do then. Science has moved on, I am sure that others have learned, was one of the lessons we were locked down and thousand and thousands of lives were saved?
So what should we have done?

Smurfy123.
If no vaccine is found then it will have to be risk based and to do with the R number and be up to individuals to say If they want to play or not. But at this point in time a vaccine is the way forward. I do believe that one will be found.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 04:09:09 PM
But you have no idea in the slightest if a Vaccine may be found or not?
Nobody knows
Why not look at the r number now and also ask the players if they want to play?
Saying no play without a vaccine is lazy work
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 05, 2020, 04:34:31 PM

Where did I say we should ignore the lessons of the past?
Where you said "how can you compare them to now"

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So what should we have done?


We're not discussing what should have been done, but what should be done now.

Quote
If no vaccine is found then it will have to be risk based and to do with the R number and be up to individuals to say If they want to play or not. But at this point in time a vaccine is the way forward. I do believe that one will be found.
You're forgetting that the October 1957 vaccine only worked for 11 years.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 04:40:46 PM
But you have no idea in the slightest if a Vaccine may be found or not?
Nobody knows
Why not look at the r number now and also ask the players if they want to play?
Saying no play without a vaccine is lazy work
I do indeed believe a vaccine will be found. The R number isn't low enought at the minute, It's sitting around 0.6-0.7, each easement of the lockdown could cause this to increase so we have to wait until each phase is reached to consider if it low enough. it's not lazy work, I looked at different facts, it's my opinion and that's what I believe. Whether or not people agree with it so be it. So what's your opinion on it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 04:47:40 PM
But you said you donít think we can play without a vaccine? So what if a vaccine is never got for this virus? Now you do say you believe we will get a vaccine but we canít be sure so what do you suggest that we do if no vaccine is found?
I suggest we move on with things but with extra measures in place that we had not got before.

Handwashing zones at all pitches
Temperatures taking before entering the pitches
Come changed and ready to play(all levels, no ideal but has to be done)

Either something like that or like you say no more sport until a vaccine is found which could be 5-10-15 years or never
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 04:53:43 PM
Fivepoints, rather that all that quote crap. What should we do? Simple enought question
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 05:15:41 PM
Do we have breaks for hand washing? People wash after every tackle, carry of the ball? Hard one to work? Do asymptomatic have a temperature? I don't know. I still believe we will get a vaccine. All this will be irrelevant of the health people say it can't happen
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 05, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
Fivepoints, rather that all that quote crap. What should we do? Simple enought question

1. Wait for the crisis phase of Covid-19 to pass.
2. Then play games with appropriate safeguards such as the ones Smurfy listed.
3. Be prepared to abandon all plans if a second wave of the virus appears.
4. Repeat the steps 1-3 until it's finally over.

Not ideal but a hell of a lot better than the alternative of waiting for something that might never come or might never be effective.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
Could push a vaccine back.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 06:35:27 PM
Patrick Valance throwing the British government under the bus
More testing should have happened earlier but for one reason or another it didnít
Thatís the start of it
Under the bus
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: hardstation on May 05, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
Patrick Valance throwing the British government under the bus
More testing should have happened earlier but for one reason or another it didnít
Thatís the start of it
Under the bus
Thatís a great post. I think you should put it on the Coronavirus thread in the non-GAA discussion section.

Oh wait....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 05, 2020, 09:27:10 PM
Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Many of these are presently illegal or impossible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on May 05, 2020, 10:35:06 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Would have a similar opinion to yourself, I enjoyed my 8 years of coaching,  however I'm enjoying the break even more. More to life than multiple calls to organise fixtures, pitch time, refs, players etc. If I was told the whole thing was cranking up again next week, wouldn't fancy going back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on May 05, 2020, 10:41:36 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Would have a similar opinion to yourself, I enjoyed my 8 years of coaching,  however I'm enjoying the break even more. More to life than multiple calls to organise fixtures, pitch time, refs, players etc. If I was told the whole thing was cranking up again next week, wouldn't fancy going back.

I agree.

Give it up for 2020 and start afresh in 2021.

All this waffle..how can you train without social distancing...how can players travel to matches, we'll have 2 championships in 2021 etc. etc. etc.

Waffle.

Give it up for 2020 and enjoy a bit of free time to do different things.

Time for the GAA hierachy to say STOP - the GAA season is finished.  Put an end to the rumours and heresay.  Show some leadership and end it for 2020 and give us all peace!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
Why would you stop it Marty and restart in 2021?
The only difference now and 2021 would be a vaccine which is highly unlikely
Curious as to your thought process
Rudi 2 things
What are you doing now that you could not when coaching?
You should give the coaching up you seem sick of it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on May 05, 2020, 11:16:45 PM
Gaa should scrap season now seems like they are insistent on having a super 8s  when they could have said we will have an open draw championship with the latest the final can be would be weekend before Christmas it would only take 5 weeks for an open draw  6 if you have a rest week between semi and finals.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on May 05, 2020, 11:21:12 PM
Games could be spread out between friday saturday and sunday id love to see dublin  v mayo prime time on a friday night first round game
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 06, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
Games could be spread out between friday saturday and sunday id love to see dublin  v mayo prime time on a friday night first round game

How are lads going to square that away with working??
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 06, 2020, 03:51:26 PM
GAA saying return to training MINIMUM date of 20th July insurance will not be restored until then at the earliest. . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-will-tell-clubs-and-counties-to-keep-grounds-closed-until-july-20th-at-earliest-39185955.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Games could be spread out between friday saturday and sunday id love to see dublin  v mayo prime time on a friday night first round game

How are lads going to square that away with working??

Heís just saying heíd love it, the reality is totally different (shakes head)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 06, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
How many of the guys on here saying Ďjust wipe out the seasoní are current players?? Seems to me (even in the media) it is the older volunteers or administrators who are expunging this. As a current club player Iíd be 100% interested in playing as long as reasonable precautions are taken. As others have said on here there is no guarantees that a vaccine will ever be found, if we have the mantra of Ďvaccine or nothingí then we could have no clubs or county boards to go back too and will lose out on a generation of players. You also have to realise that lockdown and social distancing is not to eliminate the virus (this is pretty much impossible without building up immunity or a vaccine) it is to ensure that the health services can deal with any cases that arise, that is why there is a stepped approach. Also remember no players will be forced to play, itís entirely up to them. Finally, Iíd just caveat all this by saying I donít think we will see football this year, I think the timeline set out is to give people hope so that they are more compliant to the restrictions on place, and I think we will see a lot of pausing at stages for more than the 3 weeks and even going back stages. However if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isnít is quite within their rights not too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Estimator on May 06, 2020, 05:25:40 PM
No inter-county fixtures before October.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 06, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
Second wave of the Virus in Europe predicted for September so doubt there will be GAA  until well into 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 06, 2020, 05:35:59 PM
If you have to social distance at work, on public transport, in shops etc etc etc to help the Health Services why would it be ok for hundreds of thousands of young folks to set aside social distancing to play contact sports?

You might and it's just might be able to control things in dressing rooms, subs benches etc but when the game gets going and players get into close quarters puffing and panting over each other etc....
No to mention feckin Rugby with 25 lads lying in a heap on top of each other for 90% of the game and then them scrum yokes.
I can't see any Gaelic games this year or amateur and grass roots rugby or soccer either.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 06, 2020, 05:45:27 PM
Lets hope there's a huge improvement in the method of testing by September otherwise there's going to be no championship. Players and management won't be able to isolate themselves for a couple of months like the premiership players can.

Players would need to be tested before every training session and match for games to go ahead, that isn't looking likely now but it can all change in a few months.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 06, 2020, 07:49:04 PM
If the GAA Championship is played later this year its clear those at the top sound determined to have supporters at matches. Question I'd ask if there is a need to social distance in the stand/terrace then how is it safe for players to play a contact sport?

https://mobile.twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1258087132083732480
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 06, 2020, 10:14:01 PM
Colm O Rourke talking utter shite on TV3 in interview with Matt Cooper tonight. GAA should start up again in counties with low levels of Covid. Great the way this pandemic respects borders. Mother of god this man was on the show in his capacity as a school principal
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 06, 2020, 10:26:26 PM
One of the GPS after confirming to Matt Cooper that October return date would be overly optimistic.
Does O Rourke not listen to what medical experts say, and not just what he wants. His article last Sunday was poor in the Indo
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 12:00:23 AM
Surely if the PL can get back to playing games in June (apparently) then having a championship in October should be a reality?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 07, 2020, 01:06:04 AM
I read there a few days ago that the Premier League would need 2,000 tests for each round of 10 fixtures.

For inter-county GAA, you'd need more than that. I don't realisticallly see how it's feasible without a vaccine or at the very least a South Korea style testing regime which almost completely suppresses the virus. Even then you're looking at behind closed doors games or at best drastically reduced attendances.

That said, I wouldn't write off anything just yet. A winter All-Ireland championship would be a great novelty if it was possible in public health terms. Games could be arranged at short notice with a knockout format - and to hell with training. It would be a genuine leveller.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:12 AM
A winter championship would be good as a novelty games under floodlights.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 07, 2020, 01:28:47 AM
I read there a few days ago that the Premier League would need 2,000 tests for each round of 10 fixtures.

For inter-county GAA, you'd need more than that. I don't realisticallly see how it's feasible without a vaccine or at the very least a South Korea style testing regime which almost completely suppresses the virus. Even then you're looking at behind closed doors games or at best drastically reduced attendances.

That said, I wouldn't write off anything just yet. A winter All-Ireland championship would be a great novelty if it was possible in public health terms. Games could be arranged at short notice with a knockout format - and to hell with training. It would be a genuine leveller.
The sport science lads will lay an egg reading that comment.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Capt Pat on May 07, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 07, 2020, 08:00:38 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

There is a huge difference between an amateur & professional game though.

Professional players can afford to isolate in between games - imagine telling every GAA player that the need to isolate between games?

And as a player would I want to risk my health & the health of my family instead of waiting until next year or the virus is supressed/vaccine found?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2020, 08:05:41 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-happy-to-play-the-long-game-and-observe-others-1.4246797

The committee established by the GAA to advise on return-to play protocols after the Covid-19 lockdown, is expected to file its first report quite quickly. This emerged after Wednesdayís response by the association to last Fridayís Government plan for exiting the pandemic restrictions.

Chaired by Shay Bannon, who also chairs the associationís standing committee on Health and Safety, the committeeís initial remit will be threefold: what is required for the GAA to sanction a return to training, then a return to play and also for its venues to be opened and used.

Although it is set out in diplomatic terms and expresses the hope that club and county competitions can take place this year, Wednesdayís statement firmly pushes back against the suggestion last week by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar that All-Irelands could be played as early as August or September.

There will be no intercounty activity before October at the earliest, a conclusion that was obvious even last week when reading between the lines of the ongoing requirement for social distancing in the Government blueprint Ė a point made in the statement, which says that the association will be seeking clarification of ďthe challenge of social distancing in contact sportĒ.

Croke Park sources also make the point that the GAA is in no hurry about this. Although its finances are extremely undermined by the cessation of all fixtures, it doesnít have the operational pressure of having to pay players and can wait to monitor how other sports manage their resumption of on-field activities and any lessons that arise.

Learn from others

ďEven if weíre just two weeks behind,Ē was the view, ďwe can learn from othersí experiences.Ē

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 07, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

There is a huge difference between an amateur & professional game though.

Professional players can afford to isolate in between games - imagine telling every GAA player that the need to isolate between games?

And as a player would I want to risk my health & the health of my family instead of waiting until next year or the virus is supressed/vaccine found?

Exactly.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 09:51:44 AM
Would rossfan risk his life by going back to work if you were not 100% sure you wouldnít get the Covid virus?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on May 07, 2020, 10:13:53 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

Hurling should probably be able to return earlier. Just adapt the helmets so that they work like a visor and all players to wear light gloves.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 11:13:17 AM
Who is going to tell a player, he shoudl play and risk getting saliva from an oponent into his system and then bring it homw where is parent, perhaps a partner with Asthma or Diabetes lives. And this man is an amateur, has to work with other people who could have people at home with those same issues.

I see no way GAA sport starts up again in 2020 bar one of these things happens...

1- An effective treatment is found by using a drug currently on the market and readily available - ie if you catch it, you can be cured.
2- Somehow a vaccine is fast tracked (very low possibility)
3- A mass nationwide screening takes place showing that a huge proportion of the population already have had covid 19 unknown to themselves and as a result there is a type of herd immunity already in place. This would need an effective Antibody test which is not yet available.

Without one of those I just cannot see any way back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 07, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
Spot on Itchy.
And some think Club gaelic games and grassroots/amateur soccer, rugby etc. will be ok from July!

I see some County managers not happy....I presume their "expenses" are stopped after yesterday's decision to officially stand down Co panels.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on May 07, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

Hurling should probably be able to return earlier. Just adapt the helmets so that they work like a visor and all players to wear light gloves.

It would be impossible to play any field sport with a cover on your mouth/nose.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
Who is going to tell a player, he shoudl play and risk getting saliva from an oponent into his system and then bring it homw where is parent, perhaps a partner with Asthma or Diabetes lives. And this man is an amateur, has to work with other people who could have people at home with those same issues.

I see no way GAA sport starts up again in 2020 bar one of these things happens...

1- An effective treatment is found by using a drug currently on the market and readily available - ie if you catch it, you can be cured.
2- Somehow a vaccine is fast tracked (very low possibility)
3- A mass nationwide screening takes place showing that a huge proportion of the population already have had covid 19 unknown to themselves and as a result there is a type of herd immunity already in place. This would need an effective Antibody test which is not yet available.

Without one of those I just cannot see any way back.

If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 12:07:23 PM
Itchy and Ross I take it you will not go outside until a vaccine is found?
Can you guarantee you will not catch Covid 19 when you step outside?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 07, 2020, 12:42:17 PM
Would rossfan risk his life by going back to work if you were not 100% sure you wouldnít get the Covid virus?

Smurfy - you do realise the GAA is a hobby - players are not paid.

People work to support their family and be able to live - when the money starts drying up people will take risks in order to make a living..........the only people making money from the GAA will be the managers/physios etc
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: hardstation on May 07, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
I realise that the return of GAA games may lead to more people becoming ill and that might result in the odd person dying but the thing is - I really love watching GAA matches and thatís all that matters. Itís been too long now, games should return immediately.



There are some selfish & entitled cnuts on this board.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: JoG2 on May 07, 2020, 01:25:52 PM
Next Championship could be as late as 2024.



If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

Jesus ! Be more positive men !
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
Next Championship could be as late as 2024.



If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

Jesus ! Be more positive men !

It wasn't me who asserted that GAA sports can't restart until a number of major hurdles are crossed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Itchy and Ross I take it you will not go outside until a vaccine is found?
Can you guarantee you will not catch Covid 19 when you step outside?

I have to go outside and when I do I avoid close contact with people. I spend a lot of time in my garden. Doing that I am 99% safe. Running around on a pitch, smashing into people makes me a lot less than 99% safe and I dont need to do it either. I find it very difficult to understand how you cant grasp the difference.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 01:36:36 PM
Who is going to tell a player, he shoudl play and risk getting saliva from an oponent into his system and then bring it homw where is parent, perhaps a partner with Asthma or Diabetes lives. And this man is an amateur, has to work with other people who could have people at home with those same issues.

I see no way GAA sport starts up again in 2020 bar one of these things happens...

1- An effective treatment is found by using a drug currently on the market and readily available - ie if you catch it, you can be cured.
2- Somehow a vaccine is fast tracked (very low possibility)
3- A mass nationwide screening takes place showing that a huge proportion of the population already have had covid 19 unknown to themselves and as a result there is a type of herd immunity already in place. This would need an effective Antibody test which is not yet available.

Without one of those I just cannot see any way back.

If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

 I wouldnt say that, its a waiting game. I dont think we will be up and running again this year. But I am confident science will overcome this eventually.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: JoG2 on May 07, 2020, 01:37:56 PM
Next Championship could be as late as 2024.



If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

Jesus ! Be more positive men !

It wasn't me who asserted that GAA sports can't restart until a number of major hurdles are crossed.

fair enough, but the bit in bold is still a bit on the heavy side !
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 01:43:42 PM
Next Championship could be as late as 2024.



If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

Jesus ! Be more positive men !

It wasn't me who asserted that GAA sports can't restart until a number of major hurdles are crossed.

fair enough, but the bit in bold is still a bit on the heavy side !

It is prefaced by an "if". And if we have to shut down til 2024, it won't be the same as it is now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 07, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2020, 02:10:18 PM
They should run the all Ireland in October with no prior training allowed. It would give the D3/4 teams a chance.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 07, 2020, 02:11:24 PM
Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

You cannot expect people to play but many will want to if it is permitted, if they don't live with vulnerable people, for instance.
The problem will arise when Junior soccer is going ahead and GAA grounds are padlocked.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
They should run the all Ireland in October with no prior training allowed. It would give the D3/4 teams a chance.

A chance of what?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 07, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
Itchy and Ross I take it you will not go outside until a vaccine is found?
Can you guarantee you will not catch Covid 19 when you step outside?

I have to go outside and when I do I avoid close contact with people. I spend a lot of time in my garden. Doing that I am 99% safe. Running around on a pitch, smashing into people makes me a lot less than 99% safe and I dont need to do it either. I find it very difficult to understand how you cant grasp the difference.
When I go out it's to do garden work or go to the shop or a walk.
I dont go crashing and bashing into anyone I might meet at the shop or in the town. I dont go tussling with them for a ball ( real or imaginary), I dont stand on their heels for 60 or 70 minutes etc etccetc.
I'm afraid the words grasp and Smurfy dont go together.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 03:04:56 PM
Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

You cannot expect people to play but many will want to if it is permitted, if they don't live with vulnerable people, for instance.
The problem will arise when Junior soccer is going ahead and GAA grounds are padlocked.

Perhaps youíre right but I predict absolute mayhem if it is permitted , I sense the youth are already beginning to get frustrated if we develop into a situation where GAA players are allowed ignore social distancing you cannot force others to do so . This is the crux of my point all along , if gaa amateur athletes who have jobs etc are given permission you open the floodgates .

Itís not like professional sportsmen where there will be rigorous testing , contact with only family after football cause they donít have day jobs .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

The point of social distancing is or was to 'flatten the curve' in the short term so that an initial outbreak of Covid19 wouldn't overwhelm the health service. It is not a remedy for the virus, in fact for all we know it could cause more trouble as everyone's defences will be down when the normal flu season starts next winter.

Sooner or later we will all have to forget about social distancing if normal life is ever going to resume.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 03:20:25 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

The point of social distancing is or was to 'flatten the curve' in the short term so that an initial outbreak of Covid19 wouldn't overwhelm the health service. It is not a remedy for the virus, in fact for all we know it could cause more trouble as everyone's defences will be down when the normal flu season starts next winter.

Sooner or later we will all have to forget about social distancing if normal life is ever going to resume.

Thatís all I wanted to hear , if social distancing is abandoned obviously thereís no issue .
Iím not sure I share your confidence it will be abandoned anytime soon . Was chatting to a well known publican this morning in malahide and he is not confident it will be lifted this year or next year . Seem to think the ďnew normal ď will be with us for the foreseeable.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: hardstation on May 07, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
With respect and not that I disagree but would a well known publican in Malahide know any more than anyone else? Sounds like a jumped up Karen from Facebook.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 07, 2020, 03:29:08 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.
How? It's one possible scenario among many. A few months ago, even two months ago, people who foresaw a shutdown of the nature we are currrently experiencing were being derided by a lot of people as making "gross exaggerations". But they weren't. We can't predict the future with certainty and we can't predict with certainty how the virus will affect societies, how many people it will kill, how reopening society will go, whether a vaccine will emerge, whether treatments will emerge, the economic effects, the political effects.

You hope for the best, you should expect and be prepared for the worst - because the last four years should have taught us that the worst generally has a way of coming to pass. And this virus is a very serious problem.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on May 07, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

The point of social distancing is or was to 'flatten the curve' in the short term so that an initial outbreak of Covid19 wouldn't overwhelm the health service. It is not a remedy for the virus, in fact for all we know it could cause more trouble as everyone's defences will be down when the normal flu season starts next winter.

Sooner or later we will all have to forget about social distancing if normal life is ever going to resume.

Thatís all I wanted to hear , if social distancing is abandoned obviously thereís no issue .
Iím not sure I share your confidence it will be abandoned anytime soon . Was chatting to a well known publican this morning in malahide and he is not confident it will be lifted this year or next year . Seem to think the ďnew normal ď will be with us for the foreseeable.
Was wondering where you got 2024 out of but if you are getting your medical advice from publicans in Malahide that explains a lot.  Why stop at 2024? Maybe 2025? 2030? Sweet Jesus.
As Itchy has said science will overcome this. May not be in 2020 but there are some gloom merchants on here.........
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 03:36:19 PM
Larry you speak total sense on this. How can society social distance everywhere except on a football pitch? If you break the rules on a football pitch then why not break them in socety? If you are asking for exceptions to play sports then is it fair on the sports players?

I saw a tweet from a player yesterday saying they live with elderly parents and what are they supposed to do. The parents would be at risk from him if he doesn't social distance over the course of a game / training and is in contact with someone who has it. How is that fair?

Society either socially distances or it doesn't. What's the point, and where's the fairness, on having an in between?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 03:55:51 PM
Anthony Moyles speaking more sense then his fellow Meath man Colm O Rourke  https://t.co/CNgpvRzGKV?amp=1
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 04:12:48 PM
So why not kill this virus by shutting down the island for 3 weeks? It doesnít last that long and over the next year or if a vaccine is found we keep everyone out!

Games can return in a matter of a month, business open up and we can all go to the pub!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 04:24:36 PM
And you can't shut down all hospitals, shops etc for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.

I forgot to add, testing, obviously once there has been the testing and tracing. But you get my drift
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 04:27:13 PM
Anthony Moyles speaking more sense then his fellow Meath man Colm O Rourke  https://t.co/CNgpvRzGKV?amp=1

Not really. Virtual reality might replace going to the cinema or watching Real Madrid on TV but it will hardly replace going to GAA club matches, or even county ones.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.

I forgot to add, testing, obviously once there has been the testing and tracing. But you get my drift

You'd need to test everyone and have real time answers and not be waiting a day or two. It's too late when someone has symptoms as they could have spread it Everyone would need to be fully on board, or be forced to be onboard, with whereabouts for contact tracing.

Eradicating this entirely isn't really a possibility in current climate I would think. The horse has kind of bolted.

Disclaimer I am not an expert on the subject but eradicating this would look to be pretty much impossible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 05:57:08 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.

I forgot to add, testing, obviously once there has been the testing and tracing. But you get my drift

You'd need to test everyone and have real time answers and not be waiting a day or two. It's too late when someone has symptoms as they could have spread it Everyone would need to be fully on board, or be forced to be onboard, with whereabouts for contact tracing.

Eradicating this entirely isn't really a possibility in current climate I would think. The horse has kind of bolted.

Disclaimer I am not an expert on the subject but eradicating this would look to be pretty much impossible.

Well at least weíll know what to do next time  ::) ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 07, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

Number one - please remember why Social Distancing was brought in. It was not to get rid of the virus or be a remedy for it, it was to suppress the spread of the outbreak so the various Health Services could cope. If there is a significantly low, to no new case rate, maybe social distancing wonít be needed.

Number two - unless you were backed by your own scientists while making the judgement on 2024, you have no founding to pick that date out of the sky. Hence the fake news aspect I mentioned. Some one reads that here, relays it to their mate, the mate doesnít know the content, relays it to someone else and it becomes a rumour. I am not saying it will go nationwide or anything like it, but why say something like that when there is absolutely no evidence or founding behind it?

I for one agree it was not taken seriously at the beginning, and indeed contact sport will be a very difficult hurdle to overcome. However I will not be pessimistic and throw out speculative dates or timescales.

In addition Sid said that a few weeks or two months ago some people said the potential lockdown regulations were a gross exaggeration. Not in my experience however. China, Malaysia and others experienced similar prior to this so I donít think it was the case people thought it wouldnít or couldnít happen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 07:19:18 PM
Never said it was a cure for gawds sake .

My ďexaggeration ď date plucked out of the sky is in line with when I believe from gathering all the bits of info I can on the timeframe needed to find , manufacture and deliver a vaccine all around the world .

But all that is just sidelined by the main point Iím trying to argue about how amateur sportsmen & women & children would be permitted to engage in contact sports whilst social distancing was still been enforced in everyday life .

When social distancing is lifted , gaa will return in its former glory until that point I canít fathom how it can return . Explain to me how you see it returning and Iíll offer a reply if you wish .

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 07:31:43 PM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

German league only returning out of necessity, or some clubs will go bust, Germans have it more under control then most places in Europe,https://twitter.com/i/status/1258113061761748997
 You can't compare that to GAA,
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

German league only returning out of necessity, or some clubs will go bust, Germans have it more under control then most places in Europe,https://twitter.com/i/status/1258113061761748997
 You can't compare that to GAA,
The GAA doesn't have to pay players which puts it under less time pressure
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 07, 2020, 08:46:48 PM
Never said it was a cure for gawds sake .

My ďexaggeration ď date plucked out of the sky is in line with when I believe from gathering all the bits of info I can on the timeframe needed to find , manufacture and deliver a vaccine all around the world .

But all that is just sidelined by the main point Iím trying to argue about how amateur sportsmen & women & children would be permitted to engage in contact sports whilst social distancing was still been enforced in everyday life .

When social distancing is lifted , gaa will return in its former glory until that point I canít fathom how it can return . Explain to me how you see it returning and Iíll offer a reply if you wish .

No you didnít but you asked will it have to go on until we have a cure or vaccine and then asked what the point of social distancing was. So I was merely reminding/replying to that, however this is a complete side track to my point. 2024 is a gross exaggeration in my opinion and remains my opinion. Life will go on, maybe in a different format or normality and things will return that have been put on hold. They will all take different shapes and forms. Under your pretence there will be no amateurs/professional dramatics, other arts, sports until 2024? I find that very very hard to believe.

I believe the GAA will and can return, maybe in 2020, maybe in 2021 but by then there will be some sort of medical guidance I would like to think, which allows safe return to all of the above. I am not a medic or a scientist so I will not roll out options for this, I donít have the proper knowledge to do so. I am sure however, a lot of people do and will.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 10:25:35 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.

I forgot to add, testing, obviously once there has been the testing and tracing. But you get my drift

You'd need to test everyone and have real time answers and not be waiting a day or two. It's too late when someone has symptoms as they could have spread it Everyone would need to be fully on board, or be forced to be onboard, with whereabouts for contact tracing.

Eradicating this entirely isn't really a possibility in current climate I would think. The horse has kind of bolted.

Disclaimer I am not an expert on the subject but eradicating this would look to be pretty much impossible.

Well at least weíll know what to do next time  ::) ::)

Most airlines will be bust by then so flights will cost so much there will be less travel so less opportunity to spread!!

Where we go Gaa wise should just be about where society goes. Society social distances then no play. Society doesnít social distance then play . To me as simple as that and anything else is ludicrous.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 10:40:24 PM
As was said above social distancing was put in place to slow the curve and protect the NHS  and hospitals. Social distancing will not last forever. The curve has been well and truly buried to the extent that 95% of the new cases reported today were in carehomes. Itchy Ross you could potentially get the virus whilst out shopping. If you are that worried why not order the food in instead of putting your life at risk?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 12:14:21 AM
Fuk me so we are all in agreement then, when social distancing is no longer required, then GAA sports can start up again .

This is all it boils down to , itís hard to fathom why all the speculation and back n forth media reports . Seems so straight forward to me .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 08, 2020, 07:54:42 AM
Sports journalists have nothing else to write about and people love a good bit of speculation. I think that is about the height of it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 08, 2020, 08:34:23 AM
As was said above social distancing was put in place to slow the curve and protect the NHS  and hospitals. Social distancing will not last forever. The curve has been well and truly buried to the extent that 95% of the new cases reported today were in carehomes. Itchy Ross you could potentially get the virus whilst out shopping. If you are that worried why not order the food in instead of putting your life at risk?

Smurfy - take a deep breath and listen. It is about risk. I could sit in the house with a window open and some fella sneezes on the street and a drop makes its way to me, unlikely but possible. Lets say I am 99.9% safe from contracting the virus in my house. When I go to the shop and take precautions like social distancing, wiping my trolley etc I am say 95% safe from contracting the virus. If I decide I am going to abandon social distancing, get close to large groups of people, get into very close contact with these people how safe am I then on this scale? For argument sake lets say I am 70% safe (I know I made this up, but I am talking orders of magnitude). Maybe as a young fit individual I am happy enough with 70%, I'm gung ho, I will get over it. However, this virus can live in me for an extended period without me knowing it is there and during that time I  can spread it to my mother and father, my neighbour, my kids. Maybe some of these people are vulnerable - recovering from cancer treatment, diabetic, asthmatic etc. Am I still willing to be gung ho? I would propose to you anyone who intentionally does this is being very wreckless.

Now finally, where does an organisation like the GAA stand if they were to facilitate a breach in social distancing to have football games. Lets say Mr Smurfy gets a call next week and is told great news the kids are back training. Lets say Mr Smurfy himself was at work and contracted Covid and unknown to himself he passed it onto his young lad. His young lad goes training and playing a match and infects some of the kids on his team, they all bring it back home and now 3 kids grandparents are very ill, perhaps they die. Where does the GAA sit ethically and even legally for facilitating this during a confirmed world wide pandemic?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
+1.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
Can people differentiate between professional & amateur?

Amateurs will not be able to go back to contact sports until 'physical distancing' is over - its pretty straightforward.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 09:54:41 AM
they all bring it back home and now 3 kids grandparents are very ill, perhaps they die. Where does the GAA sit ethically and even legally for facilitating this during a confirmed world wide pandemic?
Aren't grandparents supposed to be cocooning though?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on May 08, 2020, 10:02:47 AM
Can people differentiate between professional & amateur?

Amateurs will not be able to go back to contact sports until 'physical distancing' is over - its pretty straightforward.

What is the GAA?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 08, 2020, 10:12:55 AM
Perhaps the GAA clubs should restore their interest in neglected GAA sport, handball, which could be played more or less safely in these times.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:29:32 AM
Perhaps the GAA clubs should restore their interest in neglected GAA sport, handball, which could be played more or less safely in these times.
Can it? Youíd want to check that out with GAA Handball as they say different.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2020, 10:54:17 AM
Ploughing Championships, a major public event, called off.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on May 08, 2020, 12:52:59 PM
The Camogie Association confirmed yesterday that all registrations fees have to be paid by the end of May or clubs won't be allowed to play this year if there is any games. So no money coming in but fees paid anyway. When they were asked would fees carry forward if no games this year they said no. They stated that croke park was still taking the levy off them regardless.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2020, 01:53:21 PM
Can people differentiate between professional & amateur?

Amateurs will not be able to go back to contact sports until 'physical distancing' is over - its pretty straightforward.

What is the GAA?

The people playing the game are amateurs?

That is who games impact
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 08, 2020, 03:01:34 PM
If GAA returns before the end of year I'm not sure how Leo Varadkar reckons games must be played without spectators while today he says he wants people to be able to travel abroad for work or leisure "before the end of the year, if not this summer".

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 03:54:03 PM
If GAA returns before the end of year I'm not sure how Leo Varadkar reckons games must be played without spectators while today he says he wants people to be able to travel abroad for work or leisure "before the end of the year, if not this summer".

Thatís what I mean , the amount of mixed signals or contradictions is surreal . Itís wreckin my head man .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 08, 2020, 04:17:20 PM
If GAA returns before the end of year I'm not sure how Leo Varadkar reckons games must be played without spectators while today he says he wants people to be able to travel abroad for work or leisure "before the end of the year, if not this summer".

I wish he would feck off before the end of the summer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 08, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
Fuk me so we are all in agreement then, when social distancing is no longer required, then GAA sports can start up again .

This is all it boils down to , itís hard to fathom why all the speculation and back n forth media reports . Seems so straight forward to me .

It wonít be 2024 I think we all apart from you agree there.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 05:52:39 PM
Itchy you are either safe or you are not?
Which is it?
You said no contact sports until a vaccine
Do you still stand by that statement
18% drop in hospital deaths in the uk this week
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 06:27:07 PM
Fuk me so we are all in agreement then, when social distancing is no longer required, then GAA sports can start up again .

This is all it boils down to , itís hard to fathom why all the speculation and back n forth media reports . Seems so straight forward to me .

It wonít be 2024 I think we all apart from you agree there.

Iím no scientist thatís for sure .

All Iím saying for the millionth time is most scientists are saying itís up to three years for a vaccine and thatís if there will ever be one thatís effective . Hence me using a far away date in line with vaccine.

Now Iíll play devilís advocate here and say to you if I here of a game of football been permitted to take place , I will challenge the state if their state forces tell me I canít have a party with 30 people at my house . If I were a publican Iíd do the same .

I donít understand the grey area , perhaps someone can point to what Iím missing cause Iím obviously missing something.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 06:42:45 PM
But Larry the government in the south have said games can be held in phase 3 behind closed doors. Small gatherings also. No laws being broke.
Whatís your point
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/theres-a-lot-more-risk-with-2000-players-than-200-players-998477.html

370,000 registered players according to this report.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 07:15:51 PM
But Larry the government in the south have said games can be held in phase 3 behind closed doors. Small gatherings also. No laws being broke.
Whatís your point

I give up .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 08, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
It was also said that Gaa wasnít a full contact sport smurfy.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 07:47:07 PM
Iím aware the both the GAA & govt officials have said games could go ahead and indeed itís in the phased plan for July 20th

But for the last time Iíll try to explain what I donít understand about the above , social distancing will be in place , thereís no doubt about that anywhere in any guidelines and how do you social distance playing a game of football .

Surely now you understand my point , Iím neither agreeing nor disagreeing about anything just baffled by it .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 08:54:04 PM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.

And again thatís my point the ďmedical experts ď agree too that contact sports should be back with us by July 20th whilst social distancing is still in place .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 08:55:57 PM
So Rodney are you saying rugby will return as it is professional?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 09:01:02 PM
Yes It's more likely as a Professional Sport. Though the IRFU are screwed, with the summer tour called off and the fixtures will likely be beind closed doors until a Vaccine.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 09:46:33 PM
So whatís the difference in rugby and GAA starting up?
Donít say professional
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 09:58:52 PM
 Rugby Players can self isolate as they are not working Professional players that is. GAA players like Jack McCaffrey is a doctor, so how could he go from that to playing? Putting his teammates and opponents at risk. Then there is the cost of testing players, 2 or 3 times a week.. An ordinary GAA club team isn't going avail of those services.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 08, 2020, 10:05:17 PM
Smurfy it may start up but would you not agree it makes no sense to socially distance society except when they play sports whether that be rugby or not?

People are told everyone could be a carrier of this virus and that is why you socially distance. Also you could be yourself.

Irrespective of whether you believe this or not that makes one rule for Gaa or sports in general and one rule for society. This is hipocrisy and not fair on players.

Professional very different. You remove yourself from social distancing then you shouldnít be near vulnerable people. You are professional they should put you up for your quarantine period plus more money to source testing. Amateur doesnít have that.

As I say it Gaa may well come back but it makes no sense. Workplaces much more important. It all depends on timelines of society in general. If some form of normality back then by all means bring Gaa back but until then it is not fair on players to do so.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 08, 2020, 11:48:29 PM
There's a hierarchy here about which type of sports should be able to return and when.

First is non-contact open air sport like golf. Snooker and darts might be able to return reasonably quickly as well but they are indoors so that's a complicating factor.

Second is top level professonal contact sport, where the players can coccoon and clubs can afford to pay for their own testing.

Then there's top level amateur team contact sports, such as inter-county GAA, where wide scale testing for the participants might in time be able to be provided.

Last of all is grass roots amateur team contact sport. In a normal weekend, thousands of GAA club matches take place in Ireland. Add in soccer and rugby and it's many thousands. And there's no way you can provide frequent, wide scale testing for participants. As long as this virus is around, every one of those matches would be a tinderbox for the virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 09, 2020, 12:21:40 AM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.

I would like to think before publishing such a detailed document into the public domain, that medical experts had already been consulted. Just as they would have been on every aspect of the process to date.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 09, 2020, 01:43:42 AM
So, just hypothetical scenario.
Paddy and Joe work with eachother and play for 2 different GAA teams. They are playing eachother. So in work they are distancing, they leave work together distancing and walk to the bus, and of course observe the correct rules. On the bus they also observe the distancing rules and the same when the get off the bus and go to the pitch. At the game they mark eachother, game played and social distancing starts again. Why the difference?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 09, 2020, 01:51:31 AM
So, just hypothetical scenario.
Paddy and Joe work with eachother and play for 2 different GAA teams. They are playing eachother. So in work they are distancing, they leave work together distancing and walk to the bus, and of course observe the correct rules. On the bus they also observe the distancing rules and the same when the get off the bus and go to the pitch. At the game they mark eachother, game played and social distancing starts again. Why the difference?

A game is a  particular event, one hour a week. Everyone takes showers and change their gear immediately afterwards. It is a call, but if the incidence is substantially reduced then some measured activity will be allowed, as it is now in Hong Kong for instance. If nobody is allowed close to you then hairdressers dentists etc are banjaxed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 09, 2020, 07:39:23 AM
What about training? What about changing rooms? What about surfaces in the changing rooms? Transport to games?

Logistical minefield.

I agree it does have to come back but there needs to be a lot of responsibility shown here in making the decision to come back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 09, 2020, 07:52:36 AM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.

I would like to think before publishing such a detailed document into the public domain, that medical experts had already been consulted. Just as they would have been on every aspect of the process to date.

Plenty of medical experts have written off Amateur Sporting being played since the phased announment was made.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 10, 2020, 12:53:08 AM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.

I would like to think before publishing such a detailed document into the public domain, that medical experts had already been consulted. Just as they would have been on every aspect of the process to date.

Plenty of medical experts have written off Amateur Sporting being played since the phased announment was made.

Thatís all very well. But really only one set of medical experts matters, the ones that the government have liaised with while putting together their plan.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 07:18:20 AM
Not really. Phase 4 and 5 of the phased announcement were vague. Leo in his speech said GAA wasn't a full contact sport, and put it at stage 4 and Rugby at stage 5..
He didn't explain about it being a Amateur sport, and how would players get tested or self isolate.?  Or why he thinks GAA club teams could return in July, when professional Leagues in Europe are suspended till September at the earliest

He just didn't want to spoil the party with his announcement.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:18:42 AM
Hereís the question Iíd rather answered , how long do they expect this ďnew normal ď to last ?  So many experts and intellectuals but Iíve yet to hear anyone say ďlook we would hope to be back to a packed croker in 2021/22/23 ?? Itís alarming the void in long term predictions. So depressing man
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
The GAA will be following rugby , hoping to look for lessons about the return to playing

htpps://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/0/when-will-rugby-season-resume-start-six-nations-games/amp/

World Rugby, in their set of guidelines titled 'Safe Return to Rugby', have suggested that a total of 167 people will be required for matches to take place behind closed doors, a list that includes security guards, a PA announcer and paramedics

Professionals will require a mini pre-season to get fit again once the government lockdown is lifted, in order to build back up not just match fitness but also muscle in key areas such as the neck to ensure set-pieces can be carried out safely.

https://playerwelfare.worldrugby.org/covid-19
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:29:59 AM
The GAA will be following rugby , hoping to look for lessons about the return to playing

htpps://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/0/when-will-rugby-season-resume-start-six-nations-games/amp/

World Rugby, in their set of guidelines titled 'Safe Return to Rugby', have suggested that a total of 167 people will be required for matches to take place behind closed doors, a list that includes security guards, a PA announcer and paramedics

Professionals will require a mini pre-season to get fit again once the government lockdown is lifted, in order to build back up not just match fitness but also muscle in key areas such as the neck to ensure set-pieces can be carried out safely.

https://playerwelfare.worldrugby.org/covid-19

Inter county players have hinted their disinterest at behind closed doors games .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 11:34:46 AM
Hereís the question Iíd rather answered , how long do they expect this ďnew normal ď to last ?  So many experts and intellectuals but Iíve yet to hear anyone say ďlook we would hope to be back to a packed croker in 2021/22/23 ?? Itís alarming the void in long term predictions. So depressing man

The Dutch League confirmed last week they will be playing behind closed  doors until there is a Vaccine. That's a Professional league where they are losing a lot of revenue. That could be from 1 to 5 years.
 The GAA can't predict when they'll have crowds or experts either. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:58:25 AM
Yep fair enough and not really looking for the GAA to announce or predict , obviously we follow suit / guidelines.

Itís the WHO , governments , scientists etc I want to hear more off , lots of mixed messages , I thought science was exact .  My main issue is i believe they do know a lot more and have a fair idea of timeframes for coming out of new normal into the old normal , have more concrete info on drugs and vaccines but for some reason think drip feeding is the way to go in a pandemic. Perhaps there is reasons for this like risks of social unrest but personally Iíd appreciate knowing when our lives can return to normal and fook your new normal talk with all these new terminologies without any proper definition, all loose shite .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 10, 2020, 02:32:26 PM
You could have 5000 people at a club game in September going by the governments recommendations.
Whatís stopping 5000 people going to McHale Park in September? Social distancing off course. And by that stage I would imagine WHO to know if itís a metre or 2. They are now coming out with word that 1 metre social distancing is more than enough.
No vaccine no work in afraid
No vaccine no retail shops open
No vaccine no pubs open
No vaccine no restaurants open
No vaccine no gyms open
No vaccine no sports
No vaccine no mass
No vaccine no schools
No vaccine no universityís

Donít come out with the no vaccine canít return crap because we may never have a vaccine
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 10, 2020, 02:41:51 PM
Yep fair enough and not really looking for the GAA to announce or predict , obviously we follow suit / guidelines.

Itís the WHO , governments , scientists etc I want to hear more off , lots of mixed messages , I thought science was exact .  My main issue is i believe they do know a lot more and have a fair idea of timeframes for coming out of new normal into the old normal , have more concrete info on drugs and vaccines but for some reason think drip feeding is the way to go in a pandemic. Perhaps there is reasons for this like risks of social unrest but personally Iíd appreciate knowing when our lives can return to normal and fook your new normal talk with all these new terminologies without any proper definition, all loose shite .
People are trying to develop and/or test a vaccine. That's science.

Predicting when or if a vaccine will emerge and when a sufficient amount of the world's population will be immunised by said vaccine and everybody can get back to "normal" is not science - it's the same as some lad in the pub telling you to lump on a 6/1 shot in the 3:10 at Uttoxeter.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 10, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
Not really . Phase 4 and 5 of the phased announcement were vague. Leo in his speech said GAA wasn't a full contact sport, and put it at stage 4 and Rugby at stage 5..
He didn't explain about it being a Amateur sport, and how would players get tested or self isolate.?  Or why he thinks GAA club teams could return in July, when professional Leagues in Europe are suspended till September at the earliest

He just didn't want to spoil the party with his announcement.

Well, yes really actually. The only medical opinions that will matter are those that the government liaise with. What happens or the timescale is a different issue. The point remains that itíll only be gov medical advisers that will matter. The rest of your post has little to do with that aspect.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
Yep fair enough and not really looking for the GAA to announce or predict , obviously we follow suit / guidelines.

Itís the WHO , governments , scientists etc I want to hear more off , lots of mixed messages , I thought science was exact .  My main issue is i believe they do know a lot more and have a fair idea of timeframes for coming out of new normal into the old normal , have more concrete info on drugs and vaccines but for some reason think drip feeding is the way to go in a pandemic. Perhaps there is reasons for this like risks of social unrest but personally Iíd appreciate knowing when our lives can return to normal and fook your new normal talk with all these new terminologies without any proper definition, all loose shite .
People are trying to develop and/or test a vaccine. That's science.

Predicting when or if a vaccine will emerge and when a sufficient amount of the world's population will be immunised by said vaccine and everybody can get back to "normal" is not science - it's the same as some lad in the pub telling you to lump on a 6/1 shot in the 3:10 at Uttoxeter.

Thatís sound and Iím probably not wording my posts right through frustration .

Let me put it this way ,  most people think we will back to the way things used to be within a year .

I donít think thatís possible if you listen to what they are saying but not saying it at the same time .

No vaccine for at least 18 months ok that seems to be fairly well accepted as best case scenario , so that means , no going to watch football anywhere in the world all next season ?

How will organisations survive ?

What if they never get an effective vaccine or cure ? 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 10, 2020, 04:33:17 PM
What if they never get an effective vaccine or cure ?

I'm going to wear one of these for Armagh games.
It will be doubly useful if sitting near slabbering Tyrone or Down supporters.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
John Fogarty tweeting the GAA is to soon pull the plug on Club football taking place this year. County will likely follow.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 10, 2020, 06:47:07 PM
John Fogarty tweeting the GAA is to soon pull the plug on Club football taking place this year. County will likely follow.

This tweet?

 (https://ibb.co/cQzx2Zb)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 10, 2020, 07:35:27 PM
He would normally be correct?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 10, 2020, 08:35:48 PM
John Fogarty tweeting the GAA is to soon pull the plug on Club football taking place this year. County will likely follow.

If anything it should be the other way around.
The option for some local  activity should be retained. Not necessarily fully fledged club championships leading to the All Ireland club, but u-16 parish leagues and the like.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 10, 2020, 08:48:43 PM
 Too dangerous for adults but ok to put  children at it??
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 10, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
The latest from John Horan whom was speaking on the Sunday game. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1137557/?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 10:24:55 PM
The latest from John Horan whom was speaking on the Sunday game. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1137557/?

First time Iíve heard it in all this madness , one simple direct question and ends all speculation.  Itís all that was required all along since social distancing become a thing .

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on May 10, 2020, 11:27:06 PM
Are the Dublin clubs Professional GDO's getting their Ä350 from the Government now that that GAA don't have a cash flow?

Is the GAA still renting Croke Park as a Covid testing facility?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 10, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
John Horan has one vote donít forget
Outgoing Chairman who will go down as the worst Iím a long time but wants to make a name for himself now
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 12:08:22 AM
The latest from John Horan whom was speaking on the Sunday game. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1137557/?

First time Iíve heard it in all this madness , one simple direct question and ends all speculation.  Itís all that was required all along since social distancing become a thing .
He spelled it out alright.
And if social distancing relaxed enough to allow games Club games will be first up.
Also if the 6 Cos are behind (as usual ;D) we'll all have to wait for them.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 08:46:54 AM
John Horan has one vote donít forget
Outgoing Chairman who will go down as the worst Iím a long time but wants to make a name for himself now

I imagine he speaks for the GAA and not just himself. The social distancing thing is a no brainer. Why there seems to be any confusion round it I just don't understand. It's not making a name - it's being sensible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Wee Roddy on May 11, 2020, 08:55:51 AM
John Fogarty tweeting the GAA is to soon pull the plug on Club football taking place this year. County will likely follow.

This is part of the problem. Journalists and the like spout nonsense and people believe it.
Horan was speaking for the GAA last night and not himself. It was practical and everything he said made sense.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 09:34:57 AM
Iím not for one second disagreeing with Horan but my point is what if we donít get a vaccine for 5 years and social distancing lasts until then? Is Horan and co going to go against what they truly believe? Thatís my point. Itís with us for a long long time as is social distancing. We either except that and close tha gates for years or find a way around it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 09:39:02 AM
If society can't find a way round it then how can the GAA though?

People who I talk to who would be a lot better advised than me suggest one year would be the timeframe.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 09:40:30 AM
1 year? What if they can never get a vaccine
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 11, 2020, 09:55:42 AM
The Tweet was that the GAA was doubling down on keeping club gates locked.

Two hours later he praised Horan's direct response...there will be more airtime and column inches given over today to analyse what Horan said, even though we just cannot know anything for certain.

Will lads giving out online about their kids really wanting to go to their local pitch and disgrace this and that give up their day to count kids coming in the gate or keep them apart if they are having a puc or kick around?

If insurance isn't willing to cover the GAA their hands are tied too because people don't take responsibility for their own actions.
As Mike Quirke said in the Examiner what harm in waiting and seeing what will actually happen?







Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 09:57:30 AM
1 year? What if they can never get a vaccine

They probably will and there will come a point when there will be more calculated "risks" etc. I don't think society or the GAA is stuffed for the next 5 years(or forever).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 10:00:13 AM
But what if they canít get a vaccine? No point saying they probably will
Captain thatís my point no problem waiting. But until a vaccine is found?
Just think Horans words may come back to bite him. Social distancing is here until a vaccine is found thatís for sure.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 11, 2020, 10:10:24 AM
Smurfy but it's better to be bringing something forward and having laid out the worst case in my mind.
Like the Leaving Certs were told back in school in July, then talk of online and after all that they decide on something else that they are figuring out how to implement...
Or even the Premier League talking of getting going with three Brighton lads with Covid.
No harm with a cold hard dose of reality and then if anything cahnges for the better it's a bonus.
That's just me mind. Like I don't think anyone would care what he said if he was delivering some better news in a few months based on the medical state of play.

County season is a non-runner I reckon, but like clubs could end up having to tog out without a star player if they are living at home with older parents or are front line workers...
It's total shite but it's where we are at and it's a total legal minefield too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 10:10:41 AM
They probably will but if they can't society will still have to return to normal somehow - eventually.

The GAA should follow society though.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 11:11:02 AM
Smurfy but it's better to be bringing something forward and having laid out the worst case in my mind.
Like the Leaving Certs were told back in school in July, then talk of online and after all that they decide on something else that they are figuring out how to implement...
Or even the Premier League talking of getting going with three Brighton lads with Covid.
No harm with a cold hard dose of reality and then if anything cahnges for the better it's a bonus.
That's just me mind. Like I don't think anyone would care what he said if he was delivering some better news in a few months based on the medical state of play.

County season is a non-runner I reckon, but like clubs could end up having to tog out without a star player if they are living at home with older parents or are front line workers...
It's total shite but it's where we are at and it's a total legal minefield too.

Not really, this is the one area where GAA amateur ethos will be a winner for them. There is no payment, the players will choose to play (provided the Government allows it). There will be no legal backlash.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 11:50:34 AM
I don't think I'll be hiring you if I need a Solicitor .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 12:12:00 PM
I don't think I'll be hiring you if I need a Solicitor .

So what is the legal point here?

Player A gets sued by his own family, because he played a Game of Gaelic Football (which was legally allowed by the Government), a family member of Player A then caught coronavirus and died....is this the path we are thinking along the lines of? If so, get the coach and horses ready.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 11, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
Not really . Phase 4 and 5 of the phased announcement were vague. Leo in his speech said GAA wasn't a full contact sport, and put it at stage 4 and Rugby at stage 5..
He didn't explain about it being a Amateur sport, and how would players get tested or self isolate.?  Or why he thinks GAA club teams could return in July, when professional Leagues in Europe are suspended till September at the earliest

He just didn't want to spoil the party with his announcement.

Well, yes really actually. The only medical opinions that will matter are those that the government liaise with. What happens or the timescale is a different issue. The point remains that itíll only be gov medical advisers that will matter. The rest of your post has little to do with that aspect.

So name everyone the Government are liasing with?
Cillian De Gascun is one of the top medical experts in the country, its likely he had some input. He dismissed Amateur Sport.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 01:18:05 PM
Issues would be what steps did the GAA make to ensure that players hadn't the disease before they let the game be played?
Procedures, protocols  in dressing rooms, toilets  showers etc
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 11, 2020, 01:52:23 PM
Not really . Phase 4 and 5 of the phased announcement were vague. Leo in his speech said GAA wasn't a full contact sport, and put it at stage 4 and Rugby at stage 5..
He didn't explain about it being a Amateur sport, and how would players get tested or self isolate.?  Or why he thinks GAA club teams could return in July, when professional Leagues in Europe are suspended till September at the earliest

He just didn't want to spoil the party with his announcement.

Well, yes really actually. The only medical opinions that will matter are those that the government liaise with. What happens or the timescale is a different issue. The point remains that itíll only be gov medical advisers that will matter. The rest of your post has little to do with that aspect.

So name everyone the Government are liasing with?
Cillian De Gascun is one of the top medical experts in the country, its likely he had some input. He dismissed Amateur Sport.

Not sure about De Gascun (great name), but Tony Holohan is a GAA man.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 11, 2020, 01:57:41 PM

Not sure about De Gascun (great name), but Tony Holohan is a GAA man.
Cillian prefers the oval ball

Terenure v Ballymena 3/1/1998
Killian De Gascun of Terenure is tackled by Ballymena's Jan Cunningham
© James Meehan/INPHO




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 02:22:38 PM
Issues would be what steps did the GAA make to ensure that players hadn't the disease before they let the game be played?
Procedures, protocols  in dressing rooms, toilets  showers etc

I understand your point, but how can you expect any kind of legal issue arising from a GAA game over the transmission of a virus that you or I might have right now, but not even know? Given that the game is amateur, there is no obligation for any player to be there, at any time unlike professional sport, where you will have to attend all team activity as part of your contract.

It would seem an easy target to attribute an infection to a game, but proving that Player A was infected during a game (and then brought it home) and not filling up at the petrol station say, just before, would be legally impossible.

If the Govt. give the go ahead to play GAA games as we know it I assume there would be caveats regarding your points above - but if you mean legal action with regards to infections arising through games that nobody can prove. It's simply a white wash in a legal sense.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 02:39:23 PM
The uk government have handled this very bad. The worst out of everyone. BJ is useless but the one thing that stuck out for me in todayís document and I believe he is right is that you canít live without risk. No matter what you do whether it be go out shopping getting the hair cut playing golf going for a pint going into work or mass the risk will always be about
The GAA need to make a decision like all sports whether they want to take a risk or close all down until a vaccine is found. I know which I would prefer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 11, 2020, 03:01:03 PM
Gaa is an amateur sport smurfy , totally different to professional sports people in the context of covid19 restrictions, our bucks have to go to work on the Monday morning been the main difference .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 03:04:05 PM
Getoverthebar - there's no obligation on anybody to attend a sports fixture but there are an awful lot of spectator safety issues which the organising body is responsible for.
There will be more player safety issues needing attention now.
Turning up in Court and shrugging shoulders saying "Johnny didn't gave to play "  wouldn't be a great defence.
It might reduce the Compo payout a bit.
No doubt the GAA will have a load of new procedures and protocols based on Public Health advice to enable games go ahead when social distancing ends.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 03:14:34 PM
Smurfy why does it need to be until a vaccine is found?

Why would the GAA put players more at risk than society would? Why can't it be until it is putting them at no more of a risk than they are at in every day society? i.e. when social distancing stops the GAA can play?

I can't predict the future and I don't think any of us can but if a vaccine is not forthcoming within a period of time then to a degree society will have to return to normal and people will have to take a risk on but it's too raw at the minute. That is every day so the GAA will just be another part of this. That is the point in time when risk will need looked at / taken.

If a vaccine isn't here in 5 years does anyone really think that we will have done social distancing for 5 years? Currently there isn't a lot of understanding of this virus. There are stats x, y and z and then conflicting stats for that. If they understand it better then they can manage that risk but at present there is nothing in society to suggest that barring stopping taking the most extreme precautions of lockdown they can control this virus at all.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
But tommy you either take the risk or not?
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.
The risk is there and will be so letís except it and get on with things
A lot of over dramatic people about.
The care homes are now 80/20 the stats in the north now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 03:28:36 PM
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Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

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A lot of over dramatic people about.

How do you know social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found??

We have been very fortunate here with how we've been hit. We need to be very cautious about a wave 2. The NHS has been run into the ground but the NHS here has got way less attention.

There is a big fear around a wave 2. A big fear.

I am not sure I understand why you think an individual should take no risk in every aspect of their life with regard to social distancing but change that to go onto a football field and then change back. I don't understand?

Yes take risk by all means but take the same risks as you do in the rest of your life and take consistent risk as well.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 11, 2020, 06:16:37 PM
Prof. McConkey was on the radio there, who noted that we would have to deal with this virus for 2-5 years. Now he was talking about travel quarantines, but the implications for sport of this time period are also rather ominous. Of course Trump believe that the virus will go away without a vaccine, so perhaps he is right and the Prof. is taking bollix.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 11, 2020, 06:46:23 PM
Prof. McConkey was on the radio there, who noted that we would have to deal with this virus for 2-5 years. Now he was talking about travel quarantines, but the implications for sport of this time period are also rather ominous. Of course Trump believe that the virus will go away without a vaccine, so perhaps he is right and the Prof. is taking bollix.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nobel-scientist-predicts-virus-will-burn-out-in-next-two-weeks-39194015.html

And this is why itís so confusing for us mere mortals , so many different takes .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 11, 2020, 06:56:33 PM
Prof. McConkey was on the radio there, who noted that we would have to deal with this virus for 2-5 years. Now he was talking about travel quarantines, but the implications for sport of this time period are also rather ominous. Of course Trump believe that the virus will go away without a vaccine, so perhaps he is right and the Prof. is taking bollix.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nobel-scientist-predicts-virus-will-burn-out-in-next-two-weeks-39194015.html

And this is why itís so confusing for us mere mortals , so many different takes .

Has he published anything to back up his predictions, it would be very interesting to read. Right now I dont understand his conclusions
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on May 11, 2020, 08:06:04 PM
This pandemic was declared only a matter of weeks ago and therefore information on the virus, and preventing its spread etc , remains limited. The statistics which are available, all have to be put into context. So Predictions regarding vaccines and  relaxation etc have to be treated with caution-its far too early to say. What is entirely predictable is that there are significant diseases of isolation/inactivity/poverty and those that demand a continuation of lockdown and social distancing without taking these very real threats into account, are playing as dangerous a game as those that want immediate and widespread relaxation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 11, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.

Youíre never far off the ball fair play radio . Cillian de gascun was just on tonight show and he hinted at something along the lines of what youíre saying when it was put to him what John Horan said last night .   Weighing up what we are hearing last 48 hrs in relation to the return of GAA Iíd be a lot more confident we will have a championship next year with crowds too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 12, 2020, 11:12:12 AM
Yeah, I agree that a vaccine is the most obvious route out of this mess.

But its definitely not the only route. As this drags on, more studies will come back with positive benefits of various drug/assistance treatments.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 12, 2020, 11:24:55 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-club-plan-in-doubt-as-less-than-58-of-players-will-return-in-2020-998949.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 12, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
Easy fix.

League games can go ahead - but there is no promotion or relegation from any league this year. Less/no pressure on folks to play.


View it as simply playing the sport for enjoyment's sake. Y'know - the reason we play sport in the first place...


Championships? Probably best left off the agenda.



edit: I read this a few hours after posting, and realise it looks weird. I'm saying it in the context of ~ half the players not wanting to play and games being declared "safe" to play by health authorities. Making it more like organised challenge matches is a way to prevent anyone feeling under pressure to play.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 12, 2020, 04:18:04 PM
John Horan now saying the GAA are looking at opening up club facilities before July 20 with no ball games etc. Just so people can walk about and that. What is this man talking about?
On one hand he writes the season off now he is saying he is going to open up
And games will begin now on medical advice
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 12, 2020, 04:54:06 PM
John Horan now saying the GAA are looking at opening up club facilities before July 20 with no ball games etc. Just so people can walk about and that. What is this man talking about?
On one hand he writes the season off now he is saying he is going to open up
And games will begin now on medical advice

Because people walking 5m apart does not pose the same problems as a game?
I think they should open the handball alleys.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 12, 2020, 05:15:56 PM
I don't think I'll be hiring you if I need a Solicitor .

So what is the legal point here?

Player A gets sued by his own family, because he played a Game of Gaelic Football (which was legally allowed by the Government), a family member of Player A then caught coronavirus and died....is this the path we are thinking along the lines of? If so, get the coach and horses ready.

All nonsense of course. Even if they could prove cause and effect, which is impossible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 12, 2020, 11:50:20 PM
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 13, 2020, 12:52:12 AM
In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.

With treatments you get one drug that slows the virus 10% and that does some good. You get another drug that boosts the immune system by a bit and that helps. But give the two together and the boosted immune system can often beat the slowed down virus and then a lot of people can benefit. Then they get a better understanding of specific ways the virus affects people and this helps people too. It will never be the common cold but it might be reduced to being a bad dose.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 13, 2020, 12:30:35 PM
Would they be under 40s who live on their own or who work in solitary positions?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Fair point, Itchy but for all practical purposes, a vaccine is needed. One can experiment with other drugs/treatments thast may slow the progress of the virus or boost peoples' immune systems or whatever, but nothing, ASAIK, will stop the virus in its tracks except a working vaccine, which has still to be created.
Incidentally, I am one of the unlucky ones who contracted the bastard. I wonder if any/many Gaaboard members fell foul of it also. I was cat lucky because I am over 70 and have a serious underlying health problem (kidney failure) so that was a double whammy. However, although I was hospitalised in a bad way, I pepped up and was released 4 days later.
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 13, 2020, 01:46:28 PM
The other thing that would save the day would be widespread testing onsite. A number of teams internationally are working on a breathalyser type device,  if this did not cost the earth and worked (big if) then games, training etc would involve people blowing into one of these yokes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2020, 01:47:50 PM
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Fair point, Itchy but for all practical purposes, a vaccine is needed. One can experiment with other drugs/treatments thast may slow the progress of the virus or boost peoples' immune systems or whatever, but nothing, ASAIK, will stop the virus in its tracks except a working vaccine, which has still to be created.
Incidentally, I am one of the unlucky ones who contracted the bastard. I wonder if any/many Gaaboard members fell foul of it also. I was cat lucky because I am over 70 and have a serious underlying health problem (kidney failure) so that was a double whammy. However, although I was hospitalised in a bad way, I pepped up and was released 4 days later.
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(
Well done you on your recovery, Iíd been keen to hear if there are others on here who also caught the virus?

Being nosey have you been able to trace where I you caught it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 13, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(

Good stuff!


[yep, agreed that a vaccine is needed - but it isn't the only route back to a running economy]
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 13, 2020, 02:33:57 PM
Sorry to hear your got the Covid Lar.
Glad you got through it and hope you have no after effects.
Clear here so far but Ros has overtaken Mayo as most cases per head of population and is now the worst in the West.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 13, 2020, 02:42:16 PM
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Fair point, Itchy but for all practical purposes, a vaccine is needed. One can experiment with other drugs/treatments thast may slow the progress of the virus or boost peoples' immune systems or whatever, but nothing, ASAIK, will stop the virus in its tracks except a working vaccine, which has still to be created.
Incidentally, I am one of the unlucky ones who contracted the bastard. I wonder if any/many Gaaboard members fell foul of it also. I was cat lucky because I am over 70 and have a serious underlying health problem (kidney failure) so that was a double whammy. However, although I was hospitalised in a bad way, I pepped up and was released 4 days later.
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(

Best wishes on your recovery sir.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 13, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0513/1138200-covid-19-advisory-group-discusses-gaa-roadmap/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 03:52:12 PM
Canít turn around in a year and say right no vaccine letís all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Fair point, Itchy but for all practical purposes, a vaccine is needed. One can experiment with other drugs/treatments thast may slow the progress of the virus or boost peoples' immune systems or whatever, but nothing, ASAIK, will stop the virus in its tracks except a working vaccine, which has still to be created.
Incidentally, I am one of the unlucky ones who contracted the bastard. I wonder if any/many Gaaboard members fell foul of it also. I was cat lucky because I am over 70 and have a serious underlying health problem (kidney failure) so that was a double whammy. However, although I was hospitalised in a bad way, I pepped up and was released 4 days later.
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(

Glad to hear you made a recovery. Agreed the holy grail is a vaccine. However when you consider the challenge in front of government (and they have to be quite cold about it) they need to balance opening back up normal life versus risk of death. Would "treatments" that reduce death rate from 4% to 1% (made up numbers) be ok verus getting businesses and sports and whatever running again. I cant answer that. Obviously in this made up scenario, we'd all prefer 1% to be 0%. If 1% is not ok then what number is, obviously zero is best but zero probably requires a vacine.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on May 13, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.

There'll always be risk. And if going out to do groceries and take exercise is acceptable risk to society, then letting healthy under 40s play ball is increasing that risk by a tiny amount compared to the benefits it will have.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 13, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
Exactly hound
Regardless of what you do in life it will always have a risk attached
You may break your leg on a pitch but not likely
You may catch the virus on the pitch and likely not to die
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 13, 2020, 05:34:26 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.


And, the under 40s who are sufficiently fit and able to play competitive team sport won't be the same as the under 40s who are likely to fall seriously ill if they catch a virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 14, 2020, 10:39:09 AM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

That's the reserve leagues f**ked then.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on May 14, 2020, 10:59:46 AM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.

There'll always be risk. And if going out to do groceries and take exercise is acceptable risk to society, then letting healthy under 40s play ball is increasing that risk by a tiny amount compared to the benefits it will have.


Getting food and taking some exercise alone/with your household are essential for physical and mental well being. Much and all as we love it, playing gaelic games are not. I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend for people.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on May 14, 2020, 11:01:08 AM
Lar - sorry to hear you contracted Covid19. Delighted you're recovering well. Take care.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2020, 11:37:19 AM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.

There'll always be risk. And if going out to do groceries and take exercise is acceptable risk to society, then letting healthy under 40s play ball is increasing that risk by a tiny amount compared to the benefits it will have.

You can do groceries and maintain 2m social distance and good hygiene. You cannot play a game of football and do either. Why are you intentionally making comparisons that are just simply ridiculous. The under 40 will likely be unaffected, what about the people this under 40 comes in contact with or are they just collateral damage?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 14, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
It's also about protecting the healthcare system from being overloaded. Some would argue that is the chief concern.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
It's also about protecting the healthcare system from being overloaded. Some would argue that is the chief concern.

That was the basis upon which it was mooted and implemented in the first place.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smort on May 14, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

I live with someone vulnerable, I couldn't go back to football then. And we have boys who work as carers. And one of our backroom team has an elderly parent who lives with him. That's just off the top of my head, could be more. Soon down a good few numbers.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 01:07:16 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.

There'll always be risk. And if going out to do groceries and take exercise is acceptable risk to society, then letting healthy under 40s play ball is increasing that risk by a tiny amount compared to the benefits it will have.

Hound - do you really think the risk is increased by a tiny amount?

Say all precautions were taken - no changing rooms/huddle/team talk etc - you are right that it would be a tiny risk.

But comparing playing in the middle of a game with doing groceries/taking exercise is absolutely ludicrous
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2020, 01:34:21 PM
Where does Cluborcounty propose to dump the elderly, sick, disabled etc?
Presumably only elderly sick or disabled carers, medics etc will be allowed look after them?
And I expect no visits from family etc.

Sounds a bit like Germany from 1933....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.

Not one single person is saying that.

Of course no one is saying that. It's utterly disgusting. But whether they realise it or not, that's where these suggestions lead.

What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:05:49 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 14, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?
If it's a choice between football or not having contact with your parents for the foreseeable I think the GAA will take a big hit.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?
If it's a choice between football or not having contact with your parents for the foreseeable I think the GAA will take a big hit.

But it seems some people are willing to take that hit & play on which seems madness
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:16:47 PM

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?

It is never a matter of saying f**k the elderly and vulnerable.

If there are neither games nor gatherings in the medium term, there is no GAA and not much community either.

While the GAA is indeed built on the community, the reverse tends to apply too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

Oh, and there's a vaccine for the flu!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:20:06 PM

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?

It is never a matter of saying f**k the elderly and vulnerable.

If there are neither games nor gatherings in the medium term, there is no GAA and not much community either.

While the GAA is indeed built on the community, the reverse tends to apply too.

Even if its in the distant future the GAA wont disappear - we will come back strong.

Unfortunately if the vulnerable or elderly catch Covid they will disappear forever.

Seems a pretty easy distinction and choice to make
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:24:18 PM

Even if its in the distant future the GAA wont disappear - we will come back strong.

Unfortunately if the vulnerable or elderly catch Covid they will disappear forever.

Seems a pretty easy distinction and choice to make

There will always be people who are vulnerable or elderly, or both.

By your yardstick, will there ever be a good time for GAA activities to resume?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on May 14, 2020, 02:46:30 PM
Despite the PR campaign put out by our Government  far more people have been infected in Ireland than  the UK or The us
apart from Microstates we are behind only Spain in the World  per head of population.
check out https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

its very way to take the unthinking  autocratic route and just ban every thing .
it takes a bit more guile to think of ways life can go one despite the dangers involved .
our way of doing things is not the only or even the best way .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2020, 02:50:00 PM

Even if its in the distant future the GAA wont disappear - we will come back strong.

Unfortunately if the vulnerable or elderly catch Covid they will disappear forever.

Seems a pretty easy distinction and choice to make

There will always be people who are vulnerable or elderly, or both.

By your yardstick, will there ever be a good time for GAA activities to resume?
When " Social distancing" is no longer required, as stated by John Horan last Sunday night.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2020, 03:19:07 PM

Even if its in the distant future the GAA wont disappear - we will come back strong.

Unfortunately if the vulnerable or elderly catch Covid they will disappear forever.

Seems a pretty easy distinction and choice to make

There will always be people who are vulnerable or elderly, or both.

By your yardstick, will there ever be a good time for GAA activities to resume?

What about your yards stick, comparing the death rates of Flu to Covid effectively? 1500 people have died since our first death on March 11th in the republic (dont have 6 counties info to hand). Thats 8 weeks and that includes a substantial lock down. Flu is not as dangerous as this and its disingenuous to use flu in any comparisons.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?

Humanity has lived with the flu for a couple of thousand years and seems to have come to terms with the risk it poses.

COVID-19 is six months old, and we have no grasp of its medium to long term impact. Until we have a solution, or get our heads around a world where this virus exists, the only sensible thing to do is to attempt to mitigate its impact by all means possible. If that means no football for a year or two, then so be it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 14, 2020, 03:42:27 PM
Despite the PR campaign put out by our Government  far more people have been infected in Ireland than  the UK or The us
apart from Microstates we are behind only Spain in the World  per head of population.
check out https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

its very way to take the unthinking  autocratic route and just ban every thing .
it takes a bit more guile to think of ways life can go one despite the dangers involved .
our way of doing things is not the only or even the best way .

Ireland to be fair has done more testing  per million population which finds more infected cases. That fact some countries ran out of beds and ICU space and had to call in hospital ships tells you situations was far worse than reported in some other countries. Thankfully that never happened in Ireland.

Good to hear you are one the 19,470 people in Ireland that has made a recovery Lar.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smort on May 14, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?

Humanity has lived with the flu for a couple of thousand years and seems to have come to terms with the risk it poses.

COVID-19 is six months old, and we have no grasp of its medium to long term impact. Until we have a solution, or get our heads around a world where this virus exists, the only sensible thing to do is to attempt to mitigate its impact by all means possible. If that means no football for a year or two, then so be it.

This. I don't see how there can be football until we have a vaccine. And five points, clubs up and down the country are still active with training videos/challenges, quizzes, fundraisers, video calls, litter picking, food drops, old recordings of matches/events...the GAA is the at the heart of most communities and a lot of clubs are continuing with that via different means
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:00:46 PM
This. I don't see how there can be football until we have a vaccine. And five points, clubs up and down the country are still active with training videos/challenges, quizzes, fundraisers, video calls, litter picking, food drops, old recordings of matches/events...the GAA is the at the heart of most communities and a lot of clubs are continuing with that via different means

You won't sustain a club for too long on remote quizzes, food drops and litter picking. Especially when competing sports get going again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:05:08 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?

Humanity has lived with the flu for a couple of thousand years and seems to have come to terms with the risk it poses.

COVID-19 is six months old, and we have no grasp of its medium to long term impact. Until we have a solution, or get our heads around a world where this virus exists, the only sensible thing to do is to attempt to mitigate its impact by all means possible. If that means no football for a year or two, then so be it.

That's fair enough, once we also remember there is a social and human cost to suspending games for a year or two.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on May 14, 2020, 04:24:56 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?
This flu comparison stuff is really doing my head in. It is completely disingenuous. Though I know it happens to plenty of people especially elderly and vulnerable, I don't know of anyone that has been hospitalized or died of flu in my lifetime. I live in a place that has compared reasonably well in comparison to other places in Ireland and the UK during this pandemic, and in a very short space of time I know several people who have died, even more that have been hospitalized and plenty more who have been very very sick. Some of these people, including those who died, and hospitalized, were fit healthy adults ranging from in their 30s to 50s. It is nothing like the flu. It actually scares me how many people need to see this on their doorstep before they believe the severity of the whole thing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:30:15 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?
This flu comparison stuff is really doing my head in. It is completely disingenuous. Though I know it happens to plenty of people especially elderly and vulnerable, I don't know of anyone that has been hospitalized or died of flu in my lifetime. I live in a place that has compared reasonably well in comparison to other places in Ireland and the UK during this pandemic, and in a very short space of time I know several people who have died, even more that have been hospitalized and plenty more who have been very very sick. Some of these people, including those who died, and hospitalized, were fit healthy adults ranging from in their 30s to 50s. It is nothing like the flu. It actually scares me how many people need to see this on their doorstep before they believe the severity of the whole thing.

No such comparison was made though. A question was asked.

Btw, I guarantee you know of people who have previously been hospitalized or died of flu. It is one of the biggest killers every year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 04:31:26 PM
This. I don't see how there can be football until we have a vaccine. And five points, clubs up and down the country are still active with training videos/challenges, quizzes, fundraisers, video calls, litter picking, food drops, old recordings of matches/events...the GAA is the at the heart of most communities and a lot of clubs are continuing with that via different means

You won't sustain a club for too long on remote quizzes, food drops and litter picking. Especially when competing sports get going again.

Let me get this straight - are you happy to get the GAA up and running again so that we dont lose ground on other sports regardless of mortality rates among the GAA community?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:39:04 PM
This. I don't see how there can be football until we have a vaccine. And five points, clubs up and down the country are still active with training videos/challenges, quizzes, fundraisers, video calls, litter picking, food drops, old recordings of matches/events...the GAA is the at the heart of most communities and a lot of clubs are continuing with that via different means

You won't sustain a club for too long on remote quizzes, food drops and litter picking. Especially when competing sports get going again.

Let me get this straight - are you happy to get the GAA up and running again so that we dont lose ground on other sports regardless of mortality rates among the GAA community?

My playing days are over. And my county and club are both highly unlikely to land silverware this year or next, regardless of when or if we restart. So I have no dog in this fight.

It will be up to GAA top brass to decide  But if a vaccine isn't found for several years, (and medics keep warning me its unlikely), and we remain shut in the meantime, there mightn't be much left to restart.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on May 14, 2020, 04:49:46 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?
This flu comparison stuff is really doing my head in. It is completely disingenuous. Though I know it happens to plenty of people especially elderly and vulnerable, I don't know of anyone that has been hospitalized or died of flu in my lifetime. I live in a place that has compared reasonably well in comparison to other places in Ireland and the UK during this pandemic, and in a very short space of time I know several people who have died, even more that have been hospitalized and plenty more who have been very very sick. Some of these people, including those who died, and hospitalized, were fit healthy adults ranging from in their 30s to 50s. It is nothing like the flu. It actually scares me how many people need to see this on their doorstep before they believe the severity of the whole thing.

No such comparison was made though. A question was asked.

Btw, I guarantee you know of people who have previously been hospitalized or died of flu. It is one of the biggest killers every year.
"If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season" Really your not making any comparisons to flu?
Given that some governments made a complete balls of the thing comparing it to flu in early stages, you would think one would be careful even mentioning it on this subject. It has very little relevance apart from the similar method of transmission.

On your second point. You may be right, but a single person doesn't  spring to mind. Though Im certain, there wasn't a heap of them in the last 8 years never mind the last 8 weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:59:11 PM
"If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season" Really your not making any comparisons to flu?
Given that some governments made a complete balls of the thing comparing it to flu in early stages, you would think one would be careful even mentioning it on this subject. It has very little relevance apart from the similar method of transmission.
I'll mention it wherever I like thanks. Mentions and comparisons are two separate things.

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On your second point. You may be right, but a single person doesn't  spring to mind. Though Im certain, there wasn't a heap of them in the last 8 years never mind the last 8 weeks.

If you know of anyone who has died in a nursing home or hospital during the months January to March in any given year, there is a good chance that they died of flu. It is the number one contributor to hospital overcrowding every year at that time of year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2020, 05:48:28 PM
Five points is right. We have paralysed society and the GAA for long enough. Time to open up. This flu has its dangers like almost every flu but some stuff blown away up.
No vaccine no GAA? Catch yourself on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2020, 05:57:38 PM
Does the flu injection not work in 5Pointland?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
Does the flu injection not work in 5Pointland?
Hilarious. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/number-of-flu-deaths-hits-22-but-outbreak-may-have-peaked-1.4129014
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 14, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.

Not one single person is saying that.

Of course no one is saying that. It's utterly disgusting. But whether they realise it or not, that's where these suggestions lead.

What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.
Bolded bits are spot on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 06:48:53 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we canít do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so Iíd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we wonít be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 14, 2020, 08:26:28 PM
Yeah but it really shouldnít come back before social distancing goes away...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 15, 2020, 01:11:38 AM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we canít do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so Iíd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we wonít be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . Itís a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & itís way more serious of a threat than we think .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2020, 07:20:55 AM
Five points is right. We have paralysed society and the GAA for long enough. Time to open up. This flu has its dangers like almost every flu but some stuff blown away up.
No vaccine no GAA? Catch yourself on.
So just asking, are you proposing ending the lockdown altogether and letting everyone go out?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 08:03:28 AM
Five points is right. We have paralysed society and the GAA for long enough. Time to open up. This flu has its dangers like almost every flu but some stuff blown away up.
No vaccine no GAA? Catch yourself on.
So just asking, are you proposing ending the lockdown altogether and letting everyone go out?

There are a few posters on this thread that seems to be saying anything just to get a reaction.

This could be one of them SB
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 09:00:21 AM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we canít do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so Iíd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we wonít be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . Itís a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & itís way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you donít tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how itís like Nazi Germany 🤯.
Itís ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesnít suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldnít play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didnít know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of Ďplayers donít want to playí, which was totally  disingenuous.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we canít do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so Iíd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we wonít be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . Itís a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & itís way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you donít tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how itís like Nazi Germany 🤯.
Itís ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesnít suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldnít play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didnít know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of Ďplayers donít want to playí, which was totally  disingenuous.

So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter

You seem to be hoping that the GAA will fail to get going again for the foreseeable future. Odd.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:08:09 PM
So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter

You seem to be hoping that the GAA will fail to get going again for the foreseeable future. Odd.

Not sure where I have said that?

I want the GAA to get going as soon as it is SAFE to do so - I dont want it going back if it could cause the death of the elderly & vulnerable in our own community
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:11:28 PM
So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter

You seem to be hoping that the GAA will fail to get going again for the foreseeable future. Odd.

Not sure where I have said that?

I want the GAA to get going as soon as it is SAFE to do so - I dont want it going back if it could cause the death of the elderly & vulnerable in our own community

You seem glad to point out that clubs won't have enough players to field teams. If John Horan announces a restart plan next week or next month on the basis of medical advice, please tell me you won't object on such phony grounds.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter

You seem to be hoping that the GAA will fail to get going again for the foreseeable future. Odd.

Not sure where I have said that?

I want the GAA to get going as soon as it is SAFE to do so - I dont want it going back if it could cause the death of the elderly & vulnerable in our own community

You seem glad to point out that clubs won't have enough players to field teams. If John Horan announces a restart plan next week or next month on the basis of medical advice, please tell me you won't object on such phony grounds.

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??

Not really phony is it unless players change their mind based on medical evidence.

If the medical advice comes that players families arent are risk of dying do you think the players wont play?

 ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:42:21 PM

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??



In my county, all apart from 2 or 3 of the weaker junior clubs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
If the GAA give the go ahead to go back and someone doesnít want to I would respect that totally but to say teams wonít field? Where you getting that out off?
Slovenia have now officially ended the pandemic and have been out of lockdown from April 20.
No I donít expect things to go back to normal just yet
In terms of the GAA
No indoor changing or half time etc
If sick stay at home
Limit supporters
Training to start but no contact for a month
Hand sanitizer entering the grounds and everywhere around the club
Bring your own water bottle
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:51:45 PM

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??



In my county, all apart from 2 or 3 of the weaker junior clubs.

Nice problem to have - in addition to 'forget' about 2 or 3 clubs because they are worried about members of their family dying isnt really in our ethos is it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we canít do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so Iíd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we wonít be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . Itís a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & itís way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you donít tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how itís like Nazi Germany 🤯.
Itís ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesnít suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldnít play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didnít know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of Ďplayers donít want to playí, which was totally  disingenuous.

So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter
Or you could say almost 2/3 are prepared to play with potentially a lot more. All depends on your perspective doesnít it.
I have to say the narrative from some people on here is very worrying. Just because myself and a couple of other posters are saying that we should return when the medical professionals advising the government and the GAA say so, it is being equated to not caring about if old or sick die. Horrible ascertain to make against people.
The fact of the matter is this is not a black and white issue and, as experts have said, waiting for a vaccine to return to any semblance of normality is a non starter as there is no guarantee we ever will find one. So saying that we should let those who want to play play (when advised too by the experts) is NOT saying we donít care about our communities or we are like Germany in the 30ís.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 01:08:08 PM

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??



In my county, all apart from 2 or 3 of the weaker junior clubs.

Nice problem to have - in addition to 'forget' about 2 or 3 clubs because they are worried about members of their family dying isnt really in our ethos is it?

Again you seem hell-bent on having nobody at all playing.

Me, I'd much prefer to see 100% of clubs in action, but if this isn't possible, I'd settle for 90%. Or even 50%.

This doesn't mean that anyone is forgotten btw. The GAA has survived worse in the past including when players, officials and supporters were murdered for being GAA people. We didn't throw in the towel then. Why should we now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 01:37:05 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we canít do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so Iíd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we wonít be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . Itís a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & itís way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you donít tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how itís like Nazi Germany 🤯.
Itís ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesnít suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldnít play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didnít know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of Ďplayers donít want to playí, which was totally  disingenuous.

So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter
Or you could say almost 2/3 are prepared to play with potentially a lot more. All depends on your perspective doesnít it.
I have to say the narrative from some people on here is very worrying. Just because myself and a couple of other posters are saying that we should return when the medical professionals advising the government and the GAA say so, it is being equated to not caring about if old or sick die. Horrible ascertain to make against people.
The fact of the matter is this is not a black and white issue and, as experts have said, waiting for a vaccine to return to any semblance of normality is a non starter as there is no guarantee we ever will find one. So saying that we should let those who want to play play (when advised too by the experts) is NOT saying we donít care about our communities or we are like Germany in the 30ís.

Who has said we should not return when medical professionals say it is safe?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 01:38:09 PM

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??



In my county, all apart from 2 or 3 of the weaker junior clubs.

Nice problem to have - in addition to 'forget' about 2 or 3 clubs because they are worried about members of their family dying isnt really in our ethos is it?

Again you seem hell-bent on having nobody at all playing.

Me, I'd much prefer to see 100% of clubs in action, but if this isn't possible, I'd settle for 90%. Or even 50%.

This doesn't mean that anyone is forgotten btw. The GAA has survived worse in the past including when players, officials and supporters were murdered for being GAA people. We didn't throw in the towel then. Why should we now?

Who is throwing in the towel?

I said we should come back when it is safe to do so & everyone can play ball?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 01:43:01 PM
The 2 bucks obviously got out the wrong side of the bed this morning and want to have a row with someone!
As John Horan said the GAA will be guided by the public health advice but won't be returning while Social Distancing is required.
How long before Social distancing won't be a requirement?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:46:27 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we canít do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so Iíd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we wonít be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . Itís a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & itís way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you donít tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how itís like Nazi Germany 🤯.
Itís ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesnít suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldnít play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didnít know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of Ďplayers donít want to playí, which was totally  disingenuous.

So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter
Or you could say almost 2/3 are prepared to play with potentially a lot more. All depends on your perspective doesnít it.
I have to say the narrative from some people on here is very worrying. Just because myself and a couple of other posters are saying that we should return when the medical professionals advising the government and the GAA say so, it is being equated to not caring about if old or sick die. Horrible ascertain to make against people.
The fact of the matter is this is not a black and white issue and, as experts have said, waiting for a vaccine to return to any semblance of normality is a non starter as there is no guarantee we ever will find one. So saying that we should let those who want to play play (when advised too by the experts) is NOT saying we donít care about our communities or we are like Germany in the 30ís.

Who has said we should not return when medical professionals say it is safe?
The road map is saying we should be back in July. This is the roadmap laid out by the medical professionals advising the government, therefore they are saying it is safe to go back and play whist social distancing is still taking place in some aspects of life....yet yourself and others are saying this should not happen. Thatís the very essence of the last few pages of this thread.
Btw in my very first post on this issue I have said that I donít think we will see football this year and i donít think the roadmap with follow as itís laid out.....BUT if the medical professionals and the government are saying it is safe to do so in July then the players who want too should be allowed too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
The 2 bucks obviously got out the wrong side of the bed this morning and want to have a row with someone!
As John Horan said the GAA will be guided by the public health advice but won't be returning while Social Distancing is required.
How long before Social distancing won't be a requirement?
I donít want a row with anyone, you are the one in a previous post who made ridiculous comments about  Germany etc...god forbid someone would have a different opinion to yourself. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2020, 01:53:15 PM
I think you will find the medical advise the government received was to go back full playing July 20 and full contact June 28 as it stands
Do you think that was put in without medical advise?
Horans words on Sunday were his own and he want on a solo run to try make a name for himself
What part of the governments roadmap are you not getting?
Where has it been mentioned that a vaccine is the only answer?
And donít come back with the social distancing crap when I drive into my local town people are on top of each other in shops takeaways etc
Wise up
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 15, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
Then they said the GAA wasn't full contact so it's very hard to go exactly on that ???

People are meant to be social distancing. The fact that people in your town aren't is irrelevant. If we went by that rationale then we should just abandon lockdown.

(Also it's interesting you quote medical advice on the GAA front but social distancing is crap despite it being medical advice?)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 02:33:01 PM
The 2 bucks obviously got out the wrong side of the bed this morning and want to have a row with someone!
As John Horan said the GAA will be guided by the public health advice but won't be returning while Social Distancing is required.
How long before Social distancing won't be a requirement?
I donít want a row with anyone, you are the one in a previous post who made ridiculous comments about  Germany etc...god forbid someone would have a different opinion to yourself.
Everyone can have what opinions they want but Taylor, me and others are entitled to put a different opinion or to criticise the content of opinions.
As for the Germany bit I was responding to you saying old and vulnerable people should be removed from their households so younger members of the households could go off playing football 😉.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
Iím not saying social distancing is pointless. Itís good but people now need to just be careful and stay in the distance where possible. This lockdown was brought in to flatten the curve not to prevent it. The curve is flattened in fact it has been buried. Buried
Now itís time to start things moving and get back to the NEW normal
Now you see the way I said new normal.
As I stated earlier in the things that will be new around GAA clubs. Cancer kills 450 people in the uk a day would you know?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 15, 2020, 03:27:43 PM
Didn't know the stats but it's larger than I would have thought on the cancer front. (Though with the contagiousness of this and the many hospices there are about then it means there are a lot of things different e.g. ICU load, palliative care etc)

It does just have to be a new normal. It just wouldn't seem right to be cautious in every aspect of your life but not when you go on a football field.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 04:23:15 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Again being very selective with the figures there. Up too a third..the reality is it was 22% who actually said they wouldnít, a long way short of a third and short of a quarter. What about those that do want too? Do they not count?

As for Rossfan, you are 100% entitled to your opinion and can certainly disagree with my point of view but you are not untitled to put words in other posters mouths and make ridiculous claims like we donít care about people. You a other seems to take your opinion as fact and resort to sensationalist statements to bring others down.  Also at no time did I say we should move people out of their homes, I said they should continue to cocoon/isolate as the should be doing now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 04:30:52 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Again being very selective with the figures there. Up too a third..the reality is it was 22% who actually said they wouldnít, a long way short of a third and short of a quarter. What about those that do want too? Do they not count?

As for Rossfan, you are 100% entitled to your opinion and can certainly disagree with my point of view but you are not untitled to put words in other posters mouths and make ridiculous claims like we donít care about people. You a other seems to take your opinion as fact and resort to sensationalist statements to bring others down.  Also at no time did I say we should move people out of their homes, I said they should continue to cocoon/isolate as the should be doing now.

Seems you have selectively ignored the rest of my post? I await your thoughts on that

Up to a third (which would be 33%)..........22% are definitely out - 21% didnt know so if we say half will go for and half will go against playing that would be a third. Hence up to a third
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 04:39:33 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Again being very selective with the figures there. Up too a third..the reality is it was 22% who actually said they wouldnít, a long way short of a third and short of a quarter. What about those that do want too? Do they not count?

As for Rossfan, you are 100% entitled to your opinion and can certainly disagree with my point of view but you are not untitled to put words in other posters mouths and make ridiculous claims like we donít care about people. You a other seems to take your opinion as fact and resort to sensationalist statements to bring others down.  Also at no time did I say we should move people out of their homes, I said they should continue to cocoon/isolate as the should be doing now.

Seems you have selectively ignored the rest of my post? I await your thoughts on that

Up to a third (which would be 33%)..........22% are definitely out - 21% didnt know so if we say half will go for and half will go against playing that would be a third. Hence up to a third
I have already addressed the rest of you post repeatedly. I will follow what the medical advisors say not what someone with no expertise (apologises if you are a virologist) in the areas says on a forum. Every single GAA player has a choice, it is a voluntary organisation and I am saying that they should be given the choice when the medical advice says so. You think different, you want to wait beyond what the advice currently is. Thatís fine, itís your prerogative.
Ok so to counter your sums I will say that you to 68%, or possibly as high as even 3/4 say they will play. Of those who have given an answer more than 2.5 times more want to play than dont, so again, do these players not count?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 05:18:36 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Again being very selective with the figures there. Up too a third..the reality is it was 22% who actually said they wouldnít, a long way short of a third and short of a quarter. What about those that do want too? Do they not count?

As for Rossfan, you are 100% entitled to your opinion and can certainly disagree with my point of view but you are not untitled to put words in other posters mouths and make ridiculous claims like we donít care about people. You a other seems to take your opinion as fact and resort to sensationalist statements to bring others down.  Also at no time did I say we should move people out of their homes, I said they should continue to cocoon/isolate as the should be doing now.

Seems you have selectively ignored the rest of my post? I await your thoughts on that

Up to a third (which would be 33%)..........22% are definitely out - 21% didnt know so if we say half will go for and half will go against playing that would be a third. Hence up to a third
I have already addressed the rest of you post repeatedly. I will follow what the medical advisors say not what someone with no expertise (apologises if you are a virologist) in the areas says on a forum. Every single GAA player has a choice, it is a voluntary organisation and I am saying that they should be given the choice when the medical advice says so. You think different, you want to wait beyond what the advice currently is. Thatís fine, itís your prerogative.
Ok so to counter your sums I will say that you to 68%, or possibly as high as even 3/4 say they will play. Of those who have given an answer more than 2.5 times more want to play than dont, so again, do these players not count?

Please do point out where I said this?
Point out where I said we should not play when medical advice says we can?  ;)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
Youíve literally just proved my point. Nowhere in that do I say they should be Ďremoved from their homesí. So thank you for proving my point.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 05:26:04 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
Youíve literally just proved my point. Nowhere in that do I say they should be Ďremoved from their homesí. So thank you for proving my point.

So is your advice to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it or is it to follow medical advice?

Two massively differing opinions.

Its ok to change your mind
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 05:37:56 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
Youíve literally just proved my point. Nowhere in that do I say they should be Ďremoved from their homesí. So thank you for proving my point.

So is your advice to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it or is it to follow medical advice?

Two massively differing opinions.

Its ok to change your mind

Not massively different at all. I said this was the way forward, meaning once we get to the stage we can safely play football, not right now. For those of you who want to twist what I say or put words in mouth....I want footballers to have the choice to ply football when the medical advice says it is safe to do so (at present this is July). Along side this, and to limit infection, if it is still necessary, I think that those in the vulnerable categories should continue to cocoon as the have been. If you actually read the government time table this is pretty much what they are proposing. The vulnerable will not be in line with everyone else, in terms of the restrictions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 06:43:20 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
Youíve literally just proved my point. Nowhere in that do I say they should be Ďremoved from their homesí. So thank you for proving my point.
A 25 year old living in a household wants to play football.
Oh good let him at it.
His mother who has cancer has to be kept hidden away somewhere from the selfish little bolx.
But as long as you didn't actually type "remove her from her house" .......
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 06:54:53 PM

A 25 year old living in a household wants to play football.
Oh good let him at it.
His mother who has cancer has to be kept hidden away somewhere from the selfish little bolx.
But as long as you didn't actually type "remove her from her house" .......

The first lesson of the new normal is that if you are living at home with a parent or someone else who has recently had cancer, you need either to get out of the house, or live like a hermit if you wish to stay.

This has nothing to do with football. Anyone who is prepared to selfishly put a parent's health at risk will do it anyway regardless of whether there's football to play.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 16, 2020, 04:29:41 PM
Hopefully this group will be of some assistance

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0516/1138803-government-establishes-return-to-sport-expert-group/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 16, 2020, 06:34:02 PM
Hopefully this group will be of some assistance

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0516/1138803-government-establishes-return-to-sport-expert-group/

Anyone here got the call yet?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2020, 08:34:29 PM
How about a bit of Banty?

Quote
President Horan wanted to lower expectations on GAA return says Monaghan boss.

ďI think John Horanís ambition on Sunday night was to put a dampener on any possibility or any hope of playing football in 2020. If that was his ambition, to lower expectations, he succeeded,Ē said the Corduff man.

ďI would have a lot more hope than that. The Irish government and the Irish health service have done a tremendous job in flattening the curve, and deadening the curve nearly.

ďI would be hopeful that the risk could be abated by the time theyíre talking about if we keep suppressing the numbers. Youíre down to very small numbers of cases every day in Ireland; itís decreasing. The trend that itís on, we could be at zero by July. If we were, then that risk is gone. Iím hoping we have a chance, and maybe the gun was pulled too early here.

ďTo be fair to John, his comments were in relation to if social distancing was still in place. He was very specific about that. It was maybe just a case of being cautious and careful rather than anything else.Ē

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2020, 09:12:39 PM

A 25 year old living in a household wants to play football.
Oh good let him at it.
His mother who has cancer has to be kept hidden away somewhere from the selfish little bolx.
But as long as you didn't actually type "remove her from her house" .......

The first lesson of the new normal is that if you are living at home with a parent or someone else who has recently had cancer, you need either to get out of the house, or live like a hermit if you wish to stay.

There are countless elderly that are reliant on younger siblings/their children/relatives for day-to-day support... which involves more than dropping groceries at the front door.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 16, 2020, 09:40:55 PM
Hopefully this group will be of some assistance

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0516/1138803-government-establishes-return-to-sport-expert-group/

Anyone here got the call yet?

I hope Banty and Colm O Rourke dont get a call
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 16, 2020, 11:00:05 PM

A 25 year old living in a household wants to play football.
Oh good let him at it.
His mother who has cancer has to be kept hidden away somewhere from the selfish little bolx.
But as long as you didn't actually type "remove her from her house" .......

The first lesson of the new normal is that if you are living at home with a parent or someone else who has recently had cancer, you need either to get out of the house, or live like a hermit if you wish to stay.

There are countless elderly that are reliant on younger siblings/their children/relatives for day-to-day support... which involves more than dropping groceries at the front door.

And...?  These people need to live like hermits at the moment and as long as this crisis persists. That doesn't stop everyone else from doing what they can as permitted by regulations.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 17, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
Does anyone think some people are in lala land about how long this is going to be with us . I see a quote from Banty above about the virus leaving us completely by July . Some scientists have said it will be with us for years . This is what is so confusing , the dramatic contrast in predictions. 

Iím interested to know what other mere mortals like myself think , I canít see how we will have a full house Croke park for years tbh , does anyone else fear that ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 17, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
I'd go with Karen's expert advice before Banty's.
I suppose like most managers he's missing th'oul "expenses".

I don't know Larry nor do most people.
If there isn't a vaccine or at least a cure the World will have to learn to live alongside the Covid. What will that entail?
And how will amateur  team sport operate?
Will players have to wear visors? Will spectators have to wear masks or be sprayed with disinfectants entering or leaving venues?
Or will the Covid read Banty's piece and feck off in early July?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 17, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
Does anyone think some people are in lala land about how long this is going to be with us . I see a quote from Banty above about the virus leaving us completely by July . Some scientists have said it will be with us for years . This is what is so confusing , the dramatic contrast in predictions. 

Iím interested to know what other mere mortals like myself think , I canít see how we will have a full house Croke park for years tbh , does anyone else fear that ?

The Govt is managing expectations .
The next 6 weeks will tell a lot about how strong the virus is.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 17, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
The reality is Larry no one really knows. I donít think there is enough of an understanding of this from anyone anywhere experts or not.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 17, 2020, 02:12:35 PM
I'd go with Karen's expert advice before Banty's.


An upgrade on Karen.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 17, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
 ;D :D ;D :D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on May 17, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
Does anyone think some people are in lala land about how long this is going to be with us . I see a quote from Banty above about the virus leaving us completely by July . Some scientists have said it will be with us for years . This is what is so confusing , the dramatic contrast in predictions. 

Iím interested to know what other mere mortals like myself think , I canít see how we will have a full house Croke park for years tbh , does anyone else fear that ?

I'm no medical expert, but unless we find a vaccine I can't see how we can errardicate or get rid of the virus. I look at South Korea last week. They reopened their pubs/nightclubs and it was a disaster after just one weekend. It is hard to see any large sporting gatherings here anytime soon.

For what its worth I think the government have been dealing pretty well with the pandemic. They might have made mistakes but no Irish government has ever had to deal with anything like this.

What annoys me is all the idiots on social media who think they're Covid-19 experts criticising the government for everything they do.

Gemma O'Doherty & John Walters are obviously on a different scale. I'd love to know who financed their trip to the high court for their farcical hearing. There's no way those lunatics paid for it themselves




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 17, 2020, 07:15:27 PM
I would agree. Barring old peopleís homes I  think the south have done pretty well all things considered. That Gemma oídoherty  should be locked up as much for her own good as anyone elseís.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 17, 2020, 07:26:05 PM
I would agree. Barring old peopleís homes I  think the south have done pretty well all things considered. That Gemma oídoherty  should be locked up as much for her own good as anyone elseís.

The old peoples home was a pretty big f**king miss though.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 17, 2020, 07:39:34 PM
Yeah and not to defend it but it seems everyone has done it. Even Sweden.

I live in ďthe northĒ so how anyone has handled it looks good compared to this shots how. (more due to Johnson to be honest).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:17:31 AM
Does anyone think some people are in lala land about how long this is going to be with us . I see a quote from Banty above about the virus leaving us completely by July . Some scientists have said it will be with us for years . This is what is so confusing , the dramatic contrast in predictions. 

Iím interested to know what other mere mortals like myself think , I canít see how we will have a full house Croke park for years tbh , does anyone else fear that ?

I'm with Banty on this. Viruses never ever go away all of a sudden but die off gradually and the effects of this one will in the coming weeks and months be countered by better and more effective treatments and procedures. If it is a long time before we again see a full Croke Park that will be more because of people's natural caution than any pressing medical reason.

But that's just my opinion. Others may think differently.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 18, 2020, 10:21:11 AM

I'm with Banty on this. Viruses never ever go away all of a sudden but the effects of this one will in the coming weeks and months be countered by better and more effective treatments and procedures.
You don't know that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:33:41 AM

I'm with Banty on this. Viruses never ever go away all of a sudden but the effects of this one will in the coming weeks and months be countered by better and more effective treatments and procedures.
You don't know that.

... which is why I said...
Quote
But that's just my opinion. Others may think differently.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:38:52 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this but one thing that seems to stop a lot of 'the GAA are a joke keeping the gates closed' merchants who seem to be out in force in Twitter and FB is when the question arises of who is going to monitor the grounds when groups are there.

When have people ever fully complied with anything in Ireland and there is no way this is going to be any different.
And let's also get real if the U16s get on the WhatsApp groups for a kick-about 30 will show up and then the mammies and daddies who were screaming to open the pitches while they sit at home will blame the GAA if anything comes up.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this but one thing that seems to stop a lot of 'the GAA are a joke keeping the gates closed' merchants is when the question arises of who is going to monitor the grounds when groups are there.


Colm O'Rourke nailed this in his Sindo column yesterday. GAA members and players are walking and running the roads because the walking tracks at pitches are closed. Every day this gets more dangerous as traffic increases. Nobody is monitoring that. Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:50:42 AM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.

If lack of insurance cover is the issue, it should be restored. Tom Ryan can do that at the stroke of a pen. After all, clubs paid for it and it is outrageous that it was withdrawn in the first place.

Does St Pats Navan even have a public walking track?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 01:27:20 PM
What is peoples rush with getting GAA grounds open so soon?

There is a Global Pandemic - it is not medically safe to open them yet or to return to games - when it is medically safe the gates will open and it will resume.

I cant see how some people have an issue with it - particularly some on Twitter who have vested interests in getting games back ($$$$)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on May 18, 2020, 01:32:40 PM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.

Where is this stated?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:36:13 PM
What is peoples rush with getting GAA grounds open so soon?


Quote
Colm O'Rourke nailed this in his Sindo column yesterday. GAA members and players are walking and running the roads because the walking tracks at pitches are closed. Every day this gets more dangerous as traffic increases. Nobody is monitoring that. Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.

Where is this stated?

I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on May 18, 2020, 02:48:45 PM
Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Here's the thing.  Mummy will go for a socially distanced walk round the track with her mates.  She'll take her four children with a ball who will kick it about the field (so will her mates).  Before long the field will be full of young kids and the secretary/chairman will have to come and clear the field and mummy will call the secretary/chairman all the names of the day for doing so.  Inevitable rows will happen.

There should be no half way house here. The walkways open when the grounds open.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 02:53:06 PM
Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Here's the thing.  Mummy will go for a socially distanced walk round the track with her mates.  She'll take her four children with a ball who will kick it about the field (so will her mates).  Before long the field will be full of young kids and the secretary/chairman will have to come and clear the field and mummy will call the secretary/chairman all the names of the day for doing so.  Inevitable rows will happen.

There should be no half way house here. The walkways open when the grounds open.

So make them run and walk on the roads, until someone gets killed?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oakleafgael on May 18, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

That's incorrect, look at the date it was posted. It was made clear to all Clubs that the only people who should be on Club property at the minute are those carrying out maintenance works.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 03:06:50 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

That's incorrect, look at the date it was posted. It was made clear to all Clubs that the only people who should be on Club property at the minute are those carrying out maintenance works.

You are right, sadly. https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/latest-gaa-update-on-covid-19/

"Please be advised that, in line with recent government announcements, these measures and closures are now extended to Sunday April 19 inclusive, at which stage arrangements will be reviewed.

In addition, we are now instructing GAA Clubs to close their facilities completely.

This is to include the use of all pitches and property for recreational purposes, including walking, casual games or gatherings."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: joemamas on May 18, 2020, 04:04:47 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

Q,

Why doesn't the minister for sport or the Government come out and provide general indemnification to all sporting grounds, i.e.,
you cannot sue a GAA club or others, because you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

If we ever have sporting events in Ireland where the public are allowed to attend, it will have to be provided in any event.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you donít, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the Ďlight up IrelandĎ initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids itís not the GAA clubs fault for being open, itís yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you donít, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the Ďlight up IrelandĎ initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids itís not the GAA clubs fault for being open, itís yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

The GAA cannot open their grounds - that is the directive and it wont change until it is medically safe to do so.

Everyone would love to be able to exercise safely....the same as everyone would like to play ball again - but it aint going to happen unfortunately.

This is a once in a generation pandemic - the most important thing is everyone you know comes out alive at the other end, please God.

Everything else can wait
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 04:29:19 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you donít, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the Ďlight up IrelandĎ initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids itís not the GAA clubs fault for being open, itís yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

The GAA cannot open their grounds - that is the directive and it wont change until it is medically safe to do so.

Everyone would love to be able to exercise safely....the same as everyone would like to play ball again - but it aint going to happen unfortunately.

This is a once in a generation pandemic - the most important thing is everyone you know comes out alive at the other end, please God.

Everything else can wait

When did i ever say it should be opened before it is safe to do so???? I I have included in almost every post I have put on this thread that it should be following the advice of the experts and when it is safe.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

Q,

Why doesn't the minister for sport or the Government come out and provide general indemnification to all sporting grounds, i.e.,
you cannot sue a GAA club or others, because you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough ÄÄÄÄ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 04:57:22 PM
ause you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough ÄÄÄÄ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.

Nonsense - the first rule of joining any club or association is that by doing so you greatly restrict your rights to sue that club or association.

There is no need in any event for any indemnity or other scheme. If someone invades your personal space in any public place, it is a form of assault, you are well within your rights to report this to the Gardai or police. It usually will have little or nothing to do with the owner of the property. Otherwise every forest path and every council green in the land would be shut.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
ause you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough ÄÄÄÄ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.

Nonsense - the first rule of joining any club or association is that by doing so you greatly restrict your rights to sue that club or association.

There is no need in any event for any indemnity or other scheme. If someone invades your personal space in any public place, it is a form of assault, you are well within your rights to report this to the Gardai or police. It usually will have little or nothing to do with the owner of the property. Otherwise every forest path and every council green in the land would be shut.
I wont be hiring you if I ever have recourse to Law.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 05:29:53 PM
I wont be hiring you if I ever have recourse to Law.

What did I get wrong?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
If you and I are at a match in some club ground and say 2 skates blew off the roof and clattered into us.
You're a member of that club , I'm not.
You'll find we both are entitled to compo and can certainly sue.
Now if you've signed some arrangement with the club not to sue them.....fine but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 06:03:33 PM
If you and I are at a match in some club ground and say 2 skates blew off the roof and clattered into us.
You're a member of that club , I'm not.
You'll find we both are entitled to compo and can certainly sue.
Now if you've signed some arrangement with the club not to sue them.....fine but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility.

You misread what I said. There is a difference between "greatly restrict" and "eliminate".

As long as you and I are members of the GAA, the scope each of us have to sue the GAA is indeed quite limited. The example of slates falling off a roof is a bad one as we're well entitled to be covered against injury arising from GAA negligence while on GAA property, even if we happen to be members.

If your young lad or mine gets his jaw broken at school, there's a good chance that the school will be held at least partly liable. If the same happens him while playing - and he can't legally play without being a member - he'd be wasting his time suing the GAA. And on that basis, if he catches Covid while playing, he'll have his work cut out in suing the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. Youíve very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptableí.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIMEí. As youíve gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. Youíve very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptableí.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIMEí. As youíve gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. Youíve very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptableí.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIMEí. As youíve gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didnít think we would see football this year) said Ď if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isnít is quite within their rights not too.í So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldnít go back in July, we canít go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. Youíve very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptableí.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIMEí. As youíve gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didnít think we would see football this year) said Ď if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isnít is quite within their rights not too.í So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldnít go back in July, we canít go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.

So you are agreeing that nothing should happen until it is medically safe.

Thats grand so.

End of.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. Youíve very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptableí.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIMEí. As youíve gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didnít think we would see football this year) said Ď if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isnít is quite within their rights not too.í So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldnít go back in July, we canít go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.

So you are agreeing that nothing should happen until it is medically safe.

Thats grand so.

End of.

Thatís what I have said all along. July.
Youíve just wasted I donít know how long because you tried to do a hatchet job on me and failed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:55:08 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. Youíve very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptableí.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIMEí. As youíve gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didnít think we would see football this year) said Ď if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isnít is quite within their rights not too.í So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldnít go back in July, we canít go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.

So you are agreeing that nothing should happen until it is medically safe.

Thats grand so.

End of.

Thatís what I have said all along. July.
Youíve just wasted I donít know how long because you tried to do a hatchet job on me and failed.

A hatchet job  ;D ;D

Jesus - its a debate as you said - lets not over dramatise it on a board of mostly anonymous people

I fundamentally disagreed with one of your posts and said so.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 08:04:08 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

Youíve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. Youíve very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptableí.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIMEí. As youíve gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didnít think we would see football this year) said Ď if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isnít is quite within their rights not too.í So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldnít go back in July, we canít go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.

So you are agreeing that nothing should happen until it is medically safe.

Thats grand so.

End of.

Thatís what I have said all along. July.
Youíve just wasted I donít know how long because you tried to do a hatchet job on me and failed.

A hatchet job  ;D ;D

Jesus - its a debate as you said - lets not over dramatise it on a board of mostly anonymous people

I fundamentally disagreed with one of your posts and said so.
No, you cut and pasted one line from a post, ignoring the line before which gave it context and also the messages before and after which made quiet clear what was meant. Thereís a difference doing that and debating on what I actually said.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 08:18:25 PM
It didnt give it context - it didnt mention waiting until it was medically safe at all - ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable you then went on to say what you thought was the best way forward and again again no mention of waiting until it was safe medically.

You cant expect someone to read your mind.

Anyway - I couldnt read your mind or guess what you were thinking - no point continuing this - its futile

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 08:25:44 PM
It didnt give it context - it didnt mention waiting until it was medically safe at all - ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable you then went on to say what you thought was the best way forward and again again no mention of waiting until it was safe medically.

You cant expect someone to read your mind.

Anyway - I couldnt read your mind or guess what you were thinking - no point continuing this - its futile
It said come a time, therefore pretty clear it wasnít meaning now. And given the fact the previous message and my first message on the topic had mentioned July then I think itís pretty clear you were being twisted with your attempt.
But your correct it is futile, you spent numerous posts aimed at me to basically get the point that I stated days ago in my first post.....July (which is when the medical advisors have said).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 08:29:27 PM
It didnt give it context - it didnt mention waiting until it was medically safe at all - ĎThere will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable you then went on to say what you thought was the best way forward and again again no mention of waiting until it was safe medically.

You cant expect someone to read your mind.

Anyway - I couldnt read your mind or guess what you were thinking - no point continuing this - its futile
It said come a time, therefore pretty clear it wasnít meaning now. And given the fact the previous message and my first message on the topic had mentioned July then I think itís pretty clear you were being twisted with your attempt.
But your correct it is futile, you spent numerous posts aimed at me to basically get the point that I stated days ago in my first post.....July (which is when the medical advisors have said).

Whatever makes you happy man.

If you think that is what you meant then fair fucks to you. I didn't have a clue.....and I wasn't alone
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 21, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
Some of the Swiss lads back in training. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/it-was-a-godsend-to-be-back-on-the-grass-swiss-gaa-club-among-first-to-return-to-training-1000487.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 22, 2020, 07:06:15 PM
Why is there a big debate about the opening of pitches , shur youíre not allowed to train collectively ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 22, 2020, 10:45:48 PM
Thereís no debate, people are just impatient.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Salmon on May 23, 2020, 12:36:17 AM
Are there any punishments for clubs caught training, or using their grounds? By and large, clubs seem to be adhering, but still.
Has any club been caught out in any way?
Youíd imagine that clubs would at least have a minimal amount of cop on and wouldnít let it remotely come to that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 23, 2020, 12:42:42 PM
Are there any punishments for clubs caught training, or using their grounds? By and large, clubs seem to be adhering, but still.
Has any club been caught out in any way?
Youíd imagine that clubs would at least have a minimal amount of cop on and wouldnít let it remotely come to that.
My own club are having a real issue with keeping people out of the ground. Was chatting to the chairman and he said other than stand at the gate he doesnít know what to do. He has issued statements in every way possible, he has locked the gates around the pitches and obviously the clubhouse. Yet our grounds are probably the busiest heís ever seen them away from actual football. Even people who have never been to a match or bought a ticket or done anything for the club are using it for their walks. This was one thing but by and large they seemed to be spread out time wise and in their own family grouping and there wasnít too many actually on the pitches so he wasnít overly concerned, but this last week he was saying that there a more and more groups of young people and players using the pitches, most worrying was  a small group of senior players (5/6 all non related) have been down on a few occasions basically doing strength and conditioning training and runs etc.... at least two are also committee members. The chairman is horrified and has spoken to them so not sure what will happen. Just to make clear we donít have the capacity for a few reasons to close the main gates, and the pitch is easily accessible. Also the senior manager has sent nothing to players regarding training or even home sessions and has repeatedly said we will not be doing anything till we are told and asked people to stay away from the pitches as well. So frustrating for the club who are trying to do the right thing
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 23, 2020, 04:32:55 PM
The are making silage on Croke Park. Probaly get a second cut from it too, won't be any ball anytime soon.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 23, 2020, 08:00:50 PM
This night last year we had the famous victory in Castlebar💛💙
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
Jesus Rodney you didnít think that picture was real.
Ffs Croke Park put a picture up last week of it in perfect condition
🙈🙈
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 23, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
Jesus Rodney you didnít think that picture was real.
Ffs Croke Park put a picture up last week of it in perfect condition
🙈🙈

Hahaha
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 24, 2020, 11:26:40 AM
Rodney you plonker
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 25, 2020, 11:01:05 AM
Are there any punishments for clubs caught training, or using their grounds? By and large, clubs seem to be adhering, but still.
Has any club been caught out in any way?
Youíd imagine that clubs would at least have a minimal amount of cop on and wouldnít let it remotely come to that.
My own club are having a real issue with keeping people out of the ground. Was chatting to the chairman and he said other than stand at the gate he doesnít know what to do. He has issued statements in every way possible, he has locked the gates around the pitches and obviously the clubhouse. Yet our grounds are probably the busiest heís ever seen them away from actual football. Even people who have never been to a match or bought a ticket or done anything for the club are using it for their walks. This was one thing but by and large they seemed to be spread out time wise and in their own family grouping and there wasnít too many actually on the pitches so he wasnít overly concerned, but this last week he was saying that there a more and more groups of young people and players using the pitches, most worrying was  a small group of senior players (5/6 all non related) have been down on a few occasions basically doing strength and conditioning training and runs etc.... at least two are also committee members. The chairman is horrified and has spoken to them so not sure what will happen. Just to make clear we donít have the capacity for a few reasons to close the main gates, and the pitch is easily accessible. Also the senior manager has sent nothing to players regarding training or even home sessions and has repeatedly said we will not be doing anything till we are told and asked people to stay away from the pitches as well. So frustrating for the club who are trying to do the right thing

Your club needs to arrange its own public liability insurance to cover it until the GAA cover resumes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 25, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
The views of Colm O Rourke

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"I would hope that there would be [senior inter-county matches] by late summer,"

"I think that the date of October is much too late. I hope that we will see action in August at the latest."

"I was hoping John Horan would say something different but the only thing I can see is he is saying that, but he has now brought together a medical committee to give him further advice,"

"I would hope that the medical committee will soon report back to him and say that he should be opening GAA grounds.

"Particularly for young people because I think the rate of infection under-15 is less than two per cent and I think that young people should be out playing at the moment.

"I think it would be possible to frame different types of, maybe five-a-side games, where you would have blocking but no tackling.

"Maybe GAA grounds could open up play for ten or fifteen minutes a half for ten [players], move them out and move in another group.

"Then you have the whole issue where you have walking tracks around grounds which are closed, forcing older people on the road to walk.

"I think it's a blunt instrument we have at the moment. I would certainly think that GAA pitches should be open in a controlled manner."

"I was at a club the other night and two older people walked past the gate of the club where there was a beautiful walking track available and they were walking on a very busy road," added O'Rourke.

"I just thought to myself, this is very silly.

"I know that John Horan has made the point that if he opened up walking tracks in Dublin, it would be very, very difficult to control them but I think so-be-it.

"I think we should be urging less caution, not more, and I think young people, in many cases in parts of Dublin, social distancing seems to have gone out the window with them.

"I think it would be much better from a GAA point of view to get them back playing in small numbers.

"The big concern for me would be, a lot of these people won't bother their head going back at all if they're shut out for a long time."

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 25, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
With all due respect, the view of Colm OíRourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. Itís the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
With all due respect, the view of Colm OíRourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. Itís the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 26, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
With all due respect, the view of Colm OíRourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. Itís the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.
I can't help thinking that Mr. O'Rourke may not be disclosing some vested interests he may have.

Didn't he come to a cushy little arrangement with NAMA some years back?

What are his current business interests?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 11:08:57 AM
With all due respect, the view of Colm OíRourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. Itís the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Dunno but it might have something to do with the global pandemic and the fear that returning to games too soon could put lives at risk. However, if Colm OíRourke knows as much about it as medical and scientific experts, then yeah, youíre right.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
With all due respect, the view of Colm OíRourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. Itís the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Dunno but it might have something to do with the global pandemic and the fear that returning to games too soon could put lives at risk. However, if Colm OíRourke knows as much about it as medical and scientific experts, then yeah, youíre right.

We all know that but there's also a fear that if we go too long without games, players clubs and communities will suffer. There will always be a health risk to returning to games and that risk won't be going away anytime soon. Every possible decision has its downsides.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 11:28:16 AM
With all due respect, the view of Colm OíRourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. Itís the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Dunno but it might have something to do with the global pandemic and the fear that returning to games too soon could put lives at risk. However, if Colm OíRourke knows as much about it as medical and scientific experts, then yeah, youíre right.

We all know that but there's also a fear that if we go too long without games, players clubs and communities will suffer. There will always be a health risk to returning to games and that risk won't be going away anytime soon. Every possible decision has its downsides.
Yes, and we should let the experts weigh that up and make their decision, which was supersubís point originally, I believe.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 11:33:49 AM
With all due respect, the view of Colm OíRourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. Itís the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Dunno but it might have something to do with the global pandemic and the fear that returning to games too soon could put lives at risk. However, if Colm OíRourke knows as much about it as medical and scientific experts, then yeah, youíre right.

We all know that but there's also a fear that if we go too long without games, players clubs and communities will suffer. There will always be a health risk to returning to games and that risk won't be going away anytime soon. Every possible decision has its downsides.
Yes, and we should let the experts weigh that up and make their decision, which was supersubís point originally, I believe.

There we disagree. The GAA will be going down a dangerous road if it ever allows  outside vested interest to dictate fundamental policy. It would be like allowing banks to liquidate clubs for an unpaid debts.

By all means be guided by appropriate expert opinion but don't be a hostage to it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 26, 2020, 11:37:19 AM
Colm O'Rourke is the GAA's answer to Dominic Cummings. With all the same arrogance and entitlement dripping off him.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 26, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Whatever his other interests seems he has given up on being Meath manager anyway
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/spurned-three-times-orourke-fears-hell-never-get-to-manage-meath-1001678.html

Maybe Croke Park might appoint him and 5 Points to the players welfare Committee ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on May 26, 2020, 12:28:30 PM
The views of Colm O Rourke

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