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Title: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on March 03, 2020, 09:42:24 PM
With the National Hurling League 2020 done and dusted, attention won't be long about turning to the 2020 Provincials.

Laois v Galway on May 9th at MW Hire O’Moore Park, Portlaoise.
Kilkenny v Laois on May 16th at UPMC Nowlan Park, Kilkenny.
Dublin v Laois on May 31st at Parnell Park, Dublin.
Laois v Wexford on June 6th or 7th at MW Hire O’Moore Park, Portlaoise.

On June 13th and 14th another round of games take place between our four opponents.

June 28th sees the Leinster Final take place in Croke Park.

Lets hope that the Covid-19 outbreak doesn't get any worse and compromise this year's hurling championship.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The PRO on June 24, 2020, 12:34:53 PM
I presume this won't be happening on the basis it was originally scheduled to? Knockout with a backdoor maybe?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on June 27, 2020, 12:36:32 AM
Laois V Dublin on October 23rd/24th - winners face Kilkenny on Hallowe'en

Anyone good a got vibe about this?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on June 27, 2020, 11:02:18 AM
Dublin!!

Excuse the flippancy! Obviously it's the best draw we could've got, and if the lads have been keeping in shape, and if a few of the absentees come back, then there's no reason not to be hopeful. Is it right to assume that the first drawn team is at home?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on June 27, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
If your Mattie Kenny or the Dublin squad itís the draw you want too, motivation will be easy to find.
Still itís the best draw we could have hoped for.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on June 29, 2020, 01:22:11 PM
Any word on the lads that were supposed to be travelling this year? I'd imagine some of them must be back given all that's been happening?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on July 13, 2020, 10:39:30 AM
I see where Cha and Ben Conroy have transferred back to their clubs
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: smcder on July 16, 2020, 08:27:02 PM
Any chance the games are going to be streamed like in other counties
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 17, 2020, 07:32:29 AM
They will surely have to explore it from a revenue point of view?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on July 20, 2020, 03:48:46 PM
They will surely have to explore it from a revenue point of view?

Are you referring to the club championship? I hope they are some how even if it is a Facebook live effort. Would be great if they can stick a few good quality cameras into OMP and charge a fiver or so to watch online. However I'd say there is huge competition for media providers in other counties so could be a struggle.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 22, 2020, 10:44:43 AM
Sorry yes, I was referring to the club championship.   
I can see an larger that planned easing of restrictions at outdoor venues with pre Covid accredited spectator capacities in the next phase (I.e. county grounds).
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on July 27, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
Is there any news on Laois Gaa streamingís the Club Senior games this weekend??

First Round predictions -
Camross
Clough Ballacolla
Ballinakill
Castletown
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on July 27, 2020, 12:34:24 PM
I actually disagree on all 4 predictions Ogie. Definitely a first.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on July 27, 2020, 12:36:24 PM
Is there any news on Laois Gaa streamingís the Club Senior games this weekend??


I think there is a meeting tonight to hopefully confirm everything.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 30, 2020, 07:17:44 PM
Looking forward to the games & excited about this streaming. It sounds like itís going to be the business.

For what itís worth I agree with Laois Today (rare) that this type of season will suit both CloughBallacolla and Camross. But I donít think either will be very wound up about winning the first round. A good performance for both would suffice to get going, particularly Clough Ballacolla. They have had their seasons derailed by bad bearings too often in recent years and need to avoid that at all costs tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on October 02, 2020, 12:25:08 PM
I've heard conflicting reports that a couple of players have agreed to rejoin the Laois panel.
Does anyone have any clarity?


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on October 02, 2020, 12:26:58 PM
Wouldn't surprise me with the way the championship has been planned for this year. Doesn't interfere with the club and will be done and dusted by Christmas. Ideal for many lads.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on October 05, 2020, 07:15:21 PM
Laois Clubs being kicked again by HQ, Games allowed to go ahead but Gaa wonít let,
All to keep the cash cow of the Inter County Season safe.

Ridiculous that the Hurling finals can not go ahead this weekend but lads are supposed to train away til November or December for their day.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on October 05, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
I know. There was no stopping the Dublin games when they were 'lock-down', was there?
It's worse for the under age teams still in it - are they supposed to train until December on the off-chance there'll be games?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Uisce on October 06, 2020, 09:28:27 AM
Will there be any clarity given on when these matches can go ahead? Is the end of the inter county season as a whole or just when Laois are knocked out as I see conflicting reports?

Extremely unfair on all clubs still involved to have no idea when they will be playing again.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on October 06, 2020, 10:06:33 AM
I know. There was no stopping the Dublin games when they were 'lock-down', was there?

This is a very good point. I know the situation is unprecedented but this kind of thing is very hard to take when there are inconsistencies like the ones you've mentioned above.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Downtheroad on October 06, 2020, 12:51:53 PM
I know. There was no stopping the Dublin games when they were 'lock-down', was there?

This is a very good point. I know the situation is unprecedented but this kind of thing is very hard to take when there are inconsistencies like the ones you've mentioned above.
The scenes from around the country at the weekend were a disgrace. GAA HQ had to act if they wanted to maintain any semblance of credibility. It looked like there was at least 400 in the stand at one match which showed a blatant disregard for the rules.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: SCFC on October 06, 2020, 01:07:46 PM
I know. There was no stopping the Dublin games when they were 'lock-down', was there?

This is a very good point. I know the situation is unprecedented but this kind of thing is very hard to take when there are inconsistencies like the ones you've mentioned above.
The scenes from around the country at the weekend were a disgrace. GAA HQ had to act if they wanted to maintain any semblance of credibility. It looked like there was at least 400 in the stand at one match which showed a blatant disregard for the rules.   


Completely agree. There must have been 500 at the Meath football final. And then the Blackrock parade didn't help at all. Some people just have to take a mile when they're given an inch.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ottoman on October 06, 2020, 01:55:42 PM
I know. There was no stopping the Dublin games when they were 'lock-down', was there?

This is a very good point. I know the situation is unprecedented but this kind of thing is very hard to take when there are inconsistencies like the ones you've mentioned above.
The scenes from around the country at the weekend were a disgrace. GAA HQ had to act if they wanted to maintain any semblance of credibility. It looked like there was at least 400 in the stand at one match which showed a blatant disregard for the rules.   


Completely agree. There must have been 500 at the Meath football final. And then the Blackrock parade didn't help at all. Some people just have to take a mile when they're given an inch.

The Meath county final was ridiculous. There was well over 500 people at that and it live for all to see on TV. You could see this coming, scenes were getting worse week by week as the county finals were been played out in each county...
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on October 14, 2020, 01:10:11 PM
Dublin game confirmed for Croke Park. I'll make a stab at predicting a team based off who I think is in training and who I thought showed well during the club championship.

1. E Rowland - Obvious choice. Captain.
2. D Hartnett - Admittedly, I didn't see him hurl this year but he's a class act.
3. M Whelan - Still a crucial member of our defence.
4. D Conway - Most improved hurler in Laois.
5. J Kelly - Don't think he was at his best for RE but has credit in the bank.
6. P Delaney - Matthew's heir apparent.
7. L Cleere - Another good year having recovered from illness.
8. J Lennon - Class act.
9. S Downey - Great athleticism and power. Good to have him back.
10. P Purcell - Crucial to our hopes.
11. R King - I think he's the man to fill Mark Kavanagh's #11 shirt.
12. C Stapleton - Has had a great year with BK.
13. W Dunphy - Great year last year and has looked sharp this.
14. S Maher - Looks to have his confidence back.
15. A Duphy - Probably my favourite Laois attacker.

F Fennell, R Mullaney, B Conroy, R Broderick, M Dowling, E Killeen and J Ryan all look like really good options and could easily start also.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on October 14, 2020, 01:18:51 PM
Dublin game confirmed for Croke Park. I'll make a stab at predicting a team based off who I think is in training and who I thought showed well during the club championship.

1. E Rowland - Obvious choice. Captain.
2. D Hartnett - Admittedly, I didn't see him hurl this year but he's a class act.
3. M Whelan - Still a crucial member of our defence.
4. D Conway - Most improved hurler in Laois.
5. J Kelly - Don't think he was at his best for RE but has credit in the bank.
6. P Delaney - Matthew's heir apparent.
7. L Cleere - Another good year having recovered from illness.
8. J Lennon - Class act.
9. S Downey - Great athleticism and power. Good to have him back.
10. P Purcell - Crucial to our hopes.
11. R King - I think he's the man to fill Mark Kavanagh's #11 shirt.
12. C Stapleton - Has had a great year with BK.
13. W Dunphy - Great year last year and has looked sharp this.
14. S Maher - Looks to have his confidence back.
15. A Duphy - Probably my favourite Laois attacker.

F Fennell, R Mullaney, B Conroy, R Broderick, M Dowling, E Killeen and J Ryan all look like really good options and could easily start also.

Who's on the frees?

I think as we head into the heavy type weather, greasier ball and heavy pitches to a certain respect, free-taking will be crucial at this level.  They need to be on the top of their game i.e. 80-90% scoring rate.

It'll be very important, very similar with the football also.  It'll have a big impact on games and could be the difference.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on October 14, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
Roddy is an excellent free-taker.
I think he hit every free against Clough/Ballacolla in the 1st round.

He missed a couple against BK but he has the technique and temperament. I also don't think we have an alternative on the panel. I don't think Picky is as accomplished and neither PJ Scully nor Cha Dwyer are involved to the best of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The PRO on October 14, 2020, 02:41:27 PM
Is Mark Kavanagh out lads?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on October 14, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
I was wondering the same thing. Is Kavanagh's injury going to keep him out for the championship. Even greater reliance on having an accurate and consistent free taker in winter hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on October 14, 2020, 04:15:39 PM
What about Ciaran McEvoy from Portlaoise? He was shaping up well earlier in the season, I thought?
(Not for the frees, obviously, but maybe for a place in the half-back line.)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 14, 2020, 04:52:12 PM
Kavanagh was doing some light drills last sunday albeit heavily strapped. Ciaran mcevoy is flying it in training apparently. Picky maher was also outstanding in the internal training game along with Ciaran comerford.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on October 14, 2020, 05:08:09 PM
Kavanagh was doing some light drills last sunday albeit heavily strapped. Ciaran mcevoy is flying it in training apparently. Picky maher was also outstanding in the internal training game along with Ciaran comerford.

Completely forgot about Ciaran McEvoy. I don't think he is necessarily a better hurler than any of the defenders I mentioned but he has size and power which will be needed against Dublin, especially at the end of October.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on October 14, 2020, 06:31:55 PM
Is Mullaney out or just not making your team Merman? Surely ahead of McEvoy (and has the power & size)?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on October 14, 2020, 06:36:15 PM
Is Mullaney out or just not making your team Merman? Surely ahead of McEvoy (and has the power & size)?

I know they had a tough run of it but I thought Mullaney struggled with Castletown.
He's a brilliant hurler but I think he's the type that needs a run of consistent training/matches to get himself fit.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on October 14, 2020, 08:34:57 PM
Were they hurling Waterford last night?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on October 14, 2020, 09:47:54 PM
Were they hurling Waterford last night?
Seeming they were comprehensively bet according to Waterford forum. No sign of a score though.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on October 15, 2020, 10:47:08 AM
Great to see Picky back involved. A man who will win primary possession. Love to see him have a good season in the county jersey.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on October 15, 2020, 04:14:42 PM
I really wish our County Manager would be a bit quieter in the media / Social media
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on October 15, 2020, 06:58:57 PM
You'd better enlighten those of us who aren't following his twitter account!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on October 23, 2020, 03:47:20 PM
Anyone take a stab at a team for tomorrow evening? Will Picky start? No Cha.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on October 23, 2020, 05:12:13 PM
Sounds like they decided Cha wasnít required. Fitness not up to the level they wanted I can only assume?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on October 23, 2020, 10:18:34 PM
I fear for us over the next 2/3 weeks.
I think we will get two beatings, hope to be wrong.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on October 23, 2020, 10:35:51 PM
I have the same fear, I must say. Strange team, but I suppose they know what they're doing. I wonder were the lads that were out due to Covid probable starters?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on October 24, 2020, 12:14:03 AM
Is John Lennon injured?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: on the hop on October 24, 2020, 06:38:23 PM
Could concede a very big score here
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2020, 07:18:53 PM
Laois battling well in second half but Dublin keeping them at arm's length without putting them away.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: sid waddell on October 24, 2020, 08:27:07 PM
Should be a really beneficial game for Dublin with Kilkenny up next week

Two lovely goals by Burke and Trollier

Think we might do them
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on October 24, 2020, 08:33:06 PM
Disappointing result but it was expected Dublin would have a backlash after last yearís loss. Their first touch and passing a lot better than Laois. Their work rate and intensity far superior to ours.
Cleaned out of it from open play in forward line the 2 sweepers killing us up front. Took our long range points well but never hinted at winning the game. Count our blessings it wasnít kilkenny we were hurling tonight! Hopefully theyíll learn from this and build again in 2021.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on October 24, 2020, 09:09:22 PM
And their strength, time and time again, was way ahead of ours.
In fairness, without any sort of momentum, and coming in cold against one of the big(-ish) boys, we were out of our league. Very little time together as a team, either, so... Was always going to be hard. Mind you, the initial team selection, I thought, was a bit of a gamble that didn't work out.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on October 24, 2020, 11:51:09 PM
Thought 0-23 was a reasonable tally from an open play style of game - but the decision to have Roddy take the frees especially after Kav came on was intriguing. We could have been closer to Dublin for that alone. Thought the final goal was an unfair reflection on our overall workrate which was decent overall. Not pushing forward was our downfall, the Dublin FB line and GK never were really tested, a ruthless KK side will no doubt find that out next Saturday, which is what I thought EB would have seeked to exploit tonight.
Keyes and Broderick need more time to settle in, thought Jack Kelly was a great addition (why didn't he start). The dirtiness afforded to Purcell was disgraceful and Sutcliffe should have marched to the line - one of a very few complaints over that Ref tonight. Hopefully the lads will stick it out and give the qualifiers a shot - they have something promising bubbling there.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on October 25, 2020, 10:15:06 AM
Thought 0-23 was a reasonable tally from an open play style of game - but the decision to have Roddy take the frees especially after Kav came on was intriguing. We could have been closer to Dublin for that alone. Thought the final goal was an unfair reflection on our overall workrate which was decent overall. Not pushing forward was our downfall, the Dublin FB line and GK never were really tested, a ruthless KK side will no doubt find that out next Saturday, which is what I thought EB would have seeked to exploit tonight.
Keyes and Broderick need more time to settle in, thought Jack Kelly was a great addition (why didn't he start). The dirtiness afforded to Purcell was disgraceful and Sutcliffe should have marched to the line - one of a very few complaints over that Ref tonight. Hopefully the lads will stick it out and give the qualifiers a shot - they have something promising bubbling there.

Kavanagh must be rusty enough after being out so long. Another few training sessions, plus half an hour last night will do him no harm.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on October 25, 2020, 10:39:43 AM
Agreed. Kavanagh will benefit greatly from that (half) game last night.

On another note it was great for the lads to be back in Croke Park, three Championship games out of the last four games played there - and before that we hadn't a fixture in it for fourteen years!

Also, it will be interesting to see who we get in the qualifiers... does it *have* to be a Munster side? We'd probably hope for Clare out of that group, if so.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on October 25, 2020, 02:20:18 PM
Agreed. Kavanagh will benefit greatly from that (half) game last night.

On another note it was great for the lads to be back in Croke Park, three Championship games out of the last four games played there - and before that we hadn't a fixture in it for fourteen years!

Also, it will be interesting to see who we get in the qualifiers... does it *have* to be a Munster side? We'd probably hope for Clare out of that group, if so.

Losers of Clare v lk
Losers of cork v Waterford

Losers of tipp v Clare/Lk

We will be facing

Probably in Thurles if its anyone other than Tipp

If our CB were anyway proactive,they should be looking for Portlaoise to host
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on October 25, 2020, 04:46:16 PM
Hard to disagree with any of the above.
We are probably trying to play a game that protects us from big set backs, without maybe having the exact shapes to fit certain holes. We donít have a ready made target man to hold ball up and wait for the cavalry, while being a threat in himself. It was easier to do this in OMP last year than for anyone to do it in CP last night.
I think maybe James Barry and Tipp werenít as sharp as they could have been in countering it second day out last year.

There were some positives, with some excellent scores from distance and quite a few ďline breaksĒ with ball carried and worked through the lines.
In reality it was probably what most of us expected (and the players looked like that too). Maybe bar the second goal.

Itís hard to see us living with any of the Munster teams. We have shipped some bad beatings in these kinda games. Itís a pity our panel isnít as strong as it could be. Laois operating with 75% of the players involved that we want involved is very different to any of the other counties in the same situation.
I get the impression that we wonít be seeing EB on the sideline next year, and I hope some thought has gone into potential replacements. Going back for a ride on the merry ground frightens me.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on October 25, 2020, 05:13:05 PM
Hard to disagree with any of the above.
We are probably trying to play a game that protects us from big set backs, without maybe having the exact shapes to fit certain holes. We donít have a ready made target man to hold ball up and wait for the cavalry, while being a threat in himself. It was easier to do this in OMP last year than for anyone to do it in CP last night.
I think maybe James Barry and Tipp werenít as sharp as they could have been in countering it second day out last year.

There were some positives, with some excellent scores from distance and quite a few ďline breaksĒ with ball carried and worked through the lines.
In reality it was probably what most of us expected (and the players looked like that too). Maybe bar the second goal.

Itís hard to see us living with any of the Munster teams. We have shipped some bad beatings in these kinda games. Itís a pity our panel isnít as strong as it could be. Laois operating with 75% of the players involved that we want involved is very different to any of the other counties in the same situation.
I get the impression that we wonít be seeing EB on the sideline next year, and I hope some thought has gone into potential replacements. Going back for a ride on the merry ground frightens me.

Eddie will be gone after this season

And no serious manager is going to consider a county where a significant minority wonít commit
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laoisred on October 25, 2020, 09:12:27 PM
Laois were poor last night. Second best in every facet of the game. Absentees aside, their hurling was slower, skills not as crisp, behind on conditioning and to me they never really had a go, which is very un-laois like for this bunch. Defintely a case of two steps forward last year and a step back this year.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on October 31, 2020, 04:26:44 PM
Kilkenny walloping Dublin 3-13 to 0-07 at half time.  :o
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on October 31, 2020, 06:03:45 PM
Aye, but they barely snuck it in the end.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 01, 2020, 01:02:19 AM
I donít think Dublin v Kilkenny reflects well on Laois no matter how you look at it.

Either playing Laois last week was such poor preparation for the step up to playing Kilkenny this week that it took 40 odd minutes to snap out of last weeks pedestrian pace

OR

Dublin are nowhere near Kilkenny (until they are so far ahead that they fall asleep).


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 01, 2020, 12:46:36 PM
First half Kk used P Walsh as the spare man and he cut out everything but Dublin didnt have time around the middle to deliver accurately. I think thats the crucial bit. We played with  sweeper but thought of him as a safety net and middle 8-10 stood off allowing dub to score from distance or play around the sweeper or fouled when they tackled.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 02, 2020, 08:46:46 AM
Laois V Clare in the qualifier - neutral venue.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 02, 2020, 11:45:08 AM
I believe ronan broderick ruptured his cruciate following the Dublin game. Will be a loss.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 02, 2020, 12:06:43 PM
Wouldn't have minded a shot at Cork as they don't seem to be in great shape. Can't see us getting close to Clare to be honest.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 02, 2020, 01:56:30 PM
Don't know if this game is Saturday or Sunday (Saturday's to be wet) but they played Clare on a wet day in March and weren't a million miles away.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 02, 2020, 03:06:56 PM
I believe ronan broderick ruptured his cruciate following the Dublin game. Will be a loss.

Poor hoor I feel his pain. Speedy recovery to him!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: beano on November 02, 2020, 03:23:44 PM
Nowlan park should be some advantage to us. Sport at this levels is very fine margins . At half time on Saturday Dublin were looking at a bad beating . Now they were unlucky not to win . With regards to Saturday . Iím looking for a decent performance. Thankfully the match isnít in thurles as the wide open spaces would have hurt us. The game plan should be simple , keep it tight at back and take long range points from midfield/half forward line . Hopefully we take heart from an encouraging display against them in the league.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 02, 2020, 03:55:12 PM
Unfortunately my outlook for Saturday is fairly pessimistic. Knock out championship hurling now and Clare will be hurting badly from their defeat last weekend. We were very poor against Dublin and are still missing too many to be competitive. I hope I'm wrong but would be expecting a good hiding from any of the remaining teams from what I have seen so far. The only bright side is that Clare are slightly less big than most of the other teams so we mightn't be dominated physically as much as with other teams.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 02, 2020, 04:27:42 PM
Trying to stop Tony Kelly will be the first place to start!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 02, 2020, 04:43:14 PM
Nowlan park should be some advantage to us. Sport at this levels is very fine margins . At half time on Saturday Dublin were looking at a bad beating . Now they were unlucky not to win . With regards to Saturday . Iím looking for a decent performance. Thankfully the match isnít in thurles as the wide open spaces would have hurt us. The game plan should be simple , keep it tight at back and take long range points from midfield/half forward line . Hopefully we take heart from an encouraging display against them in the league.

Sounds simple! Need to focus on trying to squeeze the opposition around the middle third while playing some form of sweeper. Not easy but we failed big time in this regard v Dublin.
Kelly will be difficult to contain and thereís serious pace inside with the Aarons x 2 and Shane Oí Donnell. We arenít blessed with pace starting or in back up. Could see our FB line picking up early yellows- donít think we have the back up to come in and relieve them?

Pessimistic also unfortunately, we have a solid history of shipping huge beatings in these games. Hope Iím wrong. Somebody above hoping for Cork instead of Clare is mental talk to me. This is as good as it could have been & itís still likely to be a very tough day.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: beano on November 02, 2020, 10:12:28 PM
 I think we have to be realistic - At the start of the year we are ranked last of all the Liam McCarthy teams so we have to put things into context. No need to be over negative. A decent performance and keep score within ten is a realistic target. That's not negative just realistic.  What's the story with John Lennon ? Is he badly injured?

My team for Saturday would be :

Rowland, Ciaran McEvoy, Matthew/Sean Downey, Donnacha, Jack Kelly , Ryan and Podge Delaney Paddy and Fennell in Midfield. Aaron Dunphy Pickey and james Ryan. Ross, Willie Dunphy and John Lennon (If fit he is sweeper).

options from bench to include : lee Cleere , eric kileen, stephen bergin, diarmuid conway, James keys

On another note; Any sign of Mossy Bruce? He hasn't posted in a While!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 02, 2020, 10:30:08 PM
I think we have to be realistic - At the start of the year we are ranked last of all the Liam McCarthy teams so we have to put things into context. No need to be over negative. A decent performance and keep score within ten is a realistic target. That's not negative just realistic.  What's the story with John Lennon ? Is he badly injured?

My team for Saturday would be :

Rowland, Ciaran McEvoy, Matthew/Sean Downey, Donnacha, Jack Kelly , Ryan and Podge Delaney Paddy and Fennell in Midfield. Aaron Dunphy Pickey and james Ryan. Ross, Willie Dunphy and John Lennon (If fit he is sweeper).

options from bench to include : lee Cleere , eric kileen, stephen bergin, diarmuid conway, James keys

On another note; Any sign of Mossy Bruce? He hasn't posted in a While!!

Iíd have Lee Cleere in corner back  instead of McEvoy but rest of it seems as best as we have at the moment.
Keep the score at least respectable and make an attempt of attacking instead of shutting up ship with sweepers.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 03, 2020, 10:12:01 AM
Something similar to performance against Tipp last year would be great.

I mentioned Cork earlier because I don't think they are any better than Clare at the moment and wouldn't be putting 10 goals past us. Why not play Cork instead of Clare? The last time we played Clare in the championship in the double header they gave us a pasting.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 03, 2020, 03:36:00 PM
Iíd have Cork ahead of Clare, and I think they have better hurlers all round that we wouldnít be able to live with. They are a bit like RE are in the Laois championship. Their skill level is really really high and they tend to paste teams weaker but struggle a bit with teams on the same level. Just a matter of opinion I suppose.
I donít McEvoy would be suited to the full back line at InterCounty level. Legs & explosive speed needed in there. Downey in there is a good move of a small bit left field.
Hopefully there is a spirited performance in them.

No sign of Mossy for a long time, has Merman decided to go to ground too? He was (rightly) very unhappy about a particular post that wasnít deleted a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 04, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
I assume Downey at full back is based on this strong performances there for Carlow IT. He has plenty of hurling and pace anyway.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 04, 2020, 10:18:27 PM
Heís a very good fit in fairness. Forgot he had moved back there for Carlow this year after a few years around midfield/half forward for them.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 05, 2020, 09:57:39 AM
What's the story with Podge Lalor? He was in for a while and did quite well I thought.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 05, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
I thought he was dropped last year?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The Boy Wonder on November 07, 2020, 02:02:30 PM
HT  Clare 0-16  Laois 1-6
A string of frees conceded gives Clare a very flattering lead. Laois giving away the ball or getting dispossessed too easily.
Should be much closer.
Hard to see them pulling back that lead but extra man might help in 2nd half.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 07, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
Well f**k it anyways. Great performance but big chance missed!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The Boy Wonder on November 07, 2020, 03:02:39 PM
Great effort but just fell short - definitely left it behind.
Too much loose play, overhit passes and cheap frees cost dearly.
But well done to the lads on a very good performance.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 07, 2020, 05:12:20 PM
Great effort but just fell short - definitely left it behind.
Too much loose play, overhit passes and cheap frees cost dearly.
But well done to the lads on a very good performance.

The close passing didnít always work but was also the reason we were so dangerous going forward. It put a lot of men in space which resulted in scores or chances and nearly worked.

Happy to eat my words as I thought we would be hammered. Considering we lost Ross King, that neither Kavanagh nor Picky were anywhere near fit and the absentees from 2019 that was some performance. The stick work was very impressive at times. The backs in particular were very sharp. We left it behind us but what a performance.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 07, 2020, 05:37:17 PM
Youíd be hopeful Eddie Brennan would stay on for another year. Whether he will remains to be seen. Much improved performance today even when Clare with 15 men. Some inexperience with some turnovers but as outlined in last post putting ball through the hands we certainly more dangerous up front. Took goals well and hopefully will kick in again in 2021 and have best players committing to the cause.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 07, 2020, 06:10:19 PM
Yeah, definitely they were there for the taking, and considering the amount of wides we had... Also, Paddy Purcell very unfortunate not to have had a goal or a penalty that time he was brought down. I wonder was he carrying an injury, not to start? Well, you'd hope after a performance like that, that Brennan would stay on. I'd say a flat performance and he'd be off, but in fairness to them, they kept at it even when it seemed it was drifting way from them. Hopefully Brennan will see enough heart in them to stay.
Thought the ref. let a lot go, which is fine - but probably explains the tussle that led to the red card. I'd say Kavanagh reacted when he should have had the free, and that the Clare lad 'over-reacted' shall we say!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 07, 2020, 07:28:09 PM
Not much to add to the above. As was said they have committed to playing a certain way and working the ball, and are right to stick to it even when it's not coming off perfectly. I'm not sure we ever really looked liked winning, but didn't look like getting hammered at any stage either. The ref was brutal in my opinion. Some very strange calls, and he didn't seem to want to make any decision himself. Is the sending off incident available to watch anywhere? I missed it if GAAGO showed it? The Purcell goal incident was handled very poorly by the officials. He didn't need to whistle, had he let it go a little longer there were going to be no arguments about calling it back.
Nobody wants to be beaten, but that's as positive an end to the year as we could have hoped for.
There aren't too many guys who you'd be thinking would be finished at this level, and hopefully a few returnees and new faces. They have done well with guys they brought in who were less obvious choices.

Hard to know what Eddie will do. I can't imagine that Mattie Kenny will be given much more time in Dublin, that could prove crucial. Likewise Davy in Wexford. There aren't too many guys out there in a better position after today should he be interested in either job. All in all you'd have to hand it to him and the management team. And I don't think there would be any begrudgery if he moved on to either of these or elsewhere. Finding a replacement worries me, but hopefully we won't need one.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 07, 2020, 08:46:43 PM
Thought Laois were fantastic in the second half. It's a long time since I seen a Laois senior hurling team come from well behind and almost snatch it. Laois of old would have suffered a beating once they went 7pts or 8pts down. There was a crazy spell of poor passing where we gifted Clare three points on the reel - around the time Clare went to 0-22 if I remember correctly. This spell probably took our chance of winning away.

Jack Kelly had a stormer of a game and kept popping up everywhere clearing ball and creating chances for others to work off. Why was Purcell's goal not given - he was fouled, but what happened to advantage play??? Secondly, he was fouled in the square so it was a penalty, not a 21yd free. Crazy decision. The referee not giving us a chance to take the free at the end was another disgrace, Rowland would probably have knocked it over for extra time.

Delaney had a decent game too and managed a point. Stapleton was effective but needs to work on his passing. Hartnett was sublime and is really maturing in his role. Keyes goal was incredible as was Aaron Dunphy's.

Hopefully we will retain the services of Eddie Brennan next year, he told reporters this evening he wouldn't be drawn on a decision. I think with Covid ongoing he might stay put for another year.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 09:17:54 PM
Thought Laois were fantastic in the second half. It's a long time since I seen a Laois senior hurling team come from well behind and almost snatch it. Laois of old would have suffered a beating once they went 7pts or 8pts down. There was a crazy spell of poor passing where we gifted Clare three points on the reel - around the time Clare went to 0-22 if I remember correctly. This spell probably took our chance of winning away.

Jack Kelly had a stormer of a game and kept popping up everywhere clearing ball and creating chances for others to work off. Why was Purcell's goal not given - he was fouled, but what happened to advantage play??? Secondly, he was fouled in the square so it was a penalty, not a 21yd free. Crazy decision. The referee not giving us a chance to take the free at the end was another disgrace, Rowland would probably have knocked it over for extra time.

Delaney had a decent game too and managed a point. Stapleton was effective but needs to work on his passing. Hartnett was sublime and is really maturing in his role. Keyes goal was incredible as was Aaron Dunphy's.

Hopefully we will retain the services of Eddie Brennan next year, he told reporters this evening he wouldn't be drawn on a decision. I think with Covid ongoing he might stay put for another year.

Re: the 'penalty'.

I thought it was Shane O'Donnell who dragged him down and  S. O'Halloran got the yellow card.

Maybe I'm wrong.

GAA Go's camera angle seemed to be wide angle the whole time, no close up shots.  Plus Ger, I think, was by himself. No analyst with him, made for strange commentary.

Great effort by Laois though.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 08, 2020, 08:58:10 AM
Youíd be hopeful Eddie Brennan would stay on for another year. Whether he will remains to be seen. Much improved performance today even when Clare with 15 men. Some inexperience with some turnovers but as outlined in last post putting ball through the hands we certainly more dangerous up front. Took goals well and hopefully will kick in again in 2021 and have best players committing to the cause.
Excellent effort. In fairness to brennan his teams always show great heart and determination. A lot to build on with the short turn around of inter county seasons. Although Brennans rhetoric after the game wouldnt fill you with confidence that he'll stay on.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Zooming around on November 08, 2020, 11:49:14 AM
Youíd be hopeful Eddie Brennan would stay on for another year. Whether he will remains to be seen. Much improved performance today even when Clare with 15 men. Some inexperience with some turnovers but as outlined in last post putting ball through the hands we certainly more dangerous up front. Took goals well and hopefully will kick in again in 2021 and have best players committing to the cause.
Excellent effort. In fairness to brennan his teams always show great heart and determination. A lot to build on with the short turn around of inter county seasons. Although Brennans rhetoric after the game wouldnt fill you with confidence that he'll stay on.

His interview indicated to me that he wants to stay on but wonít put up with the restrictions constantly imposed by our county/football board. We have shown that we can compete as a Liam McCarthy/Division 1 team and they should invest accordingly to help them push on again. However, my breath will not be held. Too many running the show donít want the hurlers to succeed at all and quite a few want them to fail.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 08, 2020, 12:23:29 PM
Youíd be hopeful Eddie Brennan would stay on for another year. Whether he will remains to be seen. Much improved performance today even when Clare with 15 men. Some inexperience with some turnovers but as outlined in last post putting ball through the hands we certainly more dangerous up front. Took goals well and hopefully will kick in again in 2021 and have best players committing to the cause.
Excellent effort. In fairness to brennan his teams always show great heart and determination. A lot to build on with the short turn around of inter county seasons. Although Brennans rhetoric after the game wouldnt fill you with confidence that he'll stay on.

His interview indicated to me that he wants to stay on but wonít put up with the restrictions constantly imposed by our county/football board. We have shown that we can compete as a Liam McCarthy/Division 1 team and they should invest accordingly to help them push on again. However, my breath will not be held. Too many running the show donít want the hurlers to succeed at all and quite a few want them to fail.

They did the same to Sugrue with the football when he was there restricting simple demands. Granted money is tight Iíd imagine running two sides. Invest accordingly is right and get few from last year back and push on again. Iíd fear if Brennan left with most likely no replacement considered and left high and try and appoint some spoofer of some sort. Weíve had enough of those over the years!
There is definitely potential to push on further. If we could get a few more hurlers with decent size and win more aerial ball up front would definitely help.
Probably a silly question but has there ever been as regards supporters club in Laois like what they have with Tipp senior hurlers Club Rossie for Roscommon for example?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 08, 2020, 01:06:50 PM
I think there was one in Cheddar's time, no?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 08, 2020, 03:00:29 PM
Wouldnít it be great to know the full details of how difficult the CB are to work with...and likewise their perspective on financial prudence. Not suggesting anybody in the know posts here, and Iíd be the first to criticise EB if he went public with details, but you canít help but want to know!!

We had a very successful supporters club in the early -mid 90s around the time of the minor All Irelandís and Babsí time with the hurlers. Seemed to be aimed mainly at tapping up business people. Must have been somewhat successful to fund the above because the CB finances were in an awful state around that time.  I donít know who was running the Laois Supporters club in Cheddarís time but it seemed aimed more so at mass subscription by the ordinary supporter.
Be interesting to know which approach was more successful.

What sort of financial situation are we currently in re debt repayment commitments over the next 10 years or so? Thereís no obvious major infrastructure work needed on either OMP or the LOETB COE really is there? Perhaps team running costs will be freed up?
To be fair to the CB they do seem to have been decent at tapping up sponsors a bit out of the left field (thinking of MW, LOETB, Magni, Gala, Gain etc).
Itís a pity the IDA have neglected Laois so badly. A few MNCs with a tax bill to offset would do the likes of Laois GAA no harm at all.

As I said earlier I hope neither Wexford nor Dublin come knocking for EB. I donít think he is currently in the frame for the Kk job and I donít really see anywhere else that would be a step forward for him. Dublinís resources are obvious and Wexford seem to be fairly happy to write out blank cheques.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: SCFC on November 08, 2020, 05:46:39 PM
I'd imagine the finances aren't wonderful. There was a cost involved in upgrading the lights in OMP. They probably still have a reasonable debt to be paid off in the COE. It's probably a thankless job saying no to county managers but someone has to.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 08, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
Do the CB actually want laois hurling to be successful? If yes ,they will  move heaven and earth to continue the progress we have made under Brennan and keep him and his team , everything he asks of the players and CB is for the greater good of Laois hurling.

I suspect the answer is that Laois hurling is down their list of priorities, Brennan will leave and we will be back to square one and possibly worse by the new year .

No chance Eddie Brennen will be laois mgr for next year.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 08, 2020, 06:39:45 PM
Yes, it's a test for the CB, but I get the impression Cheddar looked for a bit of backing from the and didn't get it either, so there's the precedent.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 08, 2020, 06:48:49 PM
Its obvious Brennan has a problem with the CB. Before this years championship started he had a go on laois today i believe and hes continued in the last few months.  I firmly believe that the cb are only ticking boxes when it comes to hurling. There's some serious talent in this county but  a plan is needed.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 08, 2020, 07:12:56 PM
Yes, it's a test for the CB, but I get the impression Cheddar looked for a bit of backing from the and didn't get it either, so there's the precedent.

I was under the impression that Cheddar was self-financing parts of the hurling team expenses?

We do need a big corporation here to finance Laois GAA, but it would still have to be prudent and managed correctly.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 08, 2020, 07:41:05 PM
Yeah, well I did say "backing" as opposed to "financial backing"!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: SCFC on November 08, 2020, 10:01:58 PM
Yes, it's a test for the CB, but I get the impression Cheddar looked for a bit of backing from the and didn't get it either, so there's the precedent.
Precedent on the football side too with Sugrue. And to be fair to him, his "wish list" wasn't exorbitant.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 08, 2020, 11:30:03 PM
Sunday game brushing over the penalty incident and the last minute free. Wouldnít be like them to under analyse a game.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 08, 2020, 11:41:57 PM
Sunday game brushing over the penalty incident and the last minute free. Wouldnít be like them to under analyse a game.
Agreed. They gave more focus on Clare's red card for McInerney which was off-camera. On one hand they're all about respecting the referees, then on the other hand they're questioning their decisions - which to be fair to the Ref, he consulted his linesman before flashing red.
It was interesting to hear Donal Og Cusack harp on about players in Laois making themselves available and for EB to stay on, but was bewildered with his last line - Laois had just 20 scores v Clares 27!!! Next weekend, he'll be crowing about "how goals win games". Very poor analysis,and it took Ursula to actually highlight Laois's positives under the guise of Clare's defence issues.
It seems Laois are only useful for the "upset" headlines on the Sunday Game. Any Laois hurler reading this should think, well F them above in RTE, lets give them loads of upsets and write our own headlines!!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: on the hop on November 09, 2020, 09:42:49 AM
Sunday game brushing over the penalty incident and the last minute free. Wouldnít be like them to under analyse a game.

once again Paddy Purcell taken out be a black card foul
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 09, 2020, 10:34:31 AM
Really outstanding performance by the hurlers on Saturday. When you consider the injuries, illnesses and defections that affected the panel (and the starting team), it was a truly courageous effort.

Great performances all around the pitch but some of the skills from Aaron Dunphy and Mark Kavanagh in particular were really outstanding. Pleasure to watch them hurl.

It's absolutely critical to hold on to Eddie Brennan. There just aren't replacements of that calibre out there. I don't know what he wants that he's being denied but I can't imagine it's something outrageous. He seems to me to be a lad that bases everything on a hard work, no frills approach and you can see that in the way the team plays. I'd be surprised if his training/preparation systems were any different so I'd be surprised if there were Davy Fitz style expenses involved. I think hurling people in Laois (both corporate and regular supporters) would be willing to support Eddie Brennan if it could be established what was needed. As Keyser says, there's a lot of rumour and pub talk and it would be great to know what the issues really are.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 09, 2020, 12:00:51 PM
I didin't expect that result but it made my weekend. Very proud of the lads for leaving everything out on the grass of Nowlan Park.
If the game had gone on for another 5 minutes I am convinced we'd have beaten Clare. There was huge momentum with Laois at that stage. Clare were able to pick off the scores a little easier but our direct running really unsettled them.
In fairness to Donol Og he is right re the scoring, 27-20. For modern intercounty hurling a tally of 17 points is not enough to win a game.
The team is evolving and improving year on year and like everyone else I would hope that Eddie stays on. I get the impression that there is a great bond between him and the team and he speaks very passionately so he has an emotional involvement that wouldn't have been there with other outside managers.

I wouldn't be dripping with cash but if a supporters club was set up to help finance the hurlers I would happily donate a few bob because they've given me a few good days in the past few years. Interesting to hear Lyons in co-commentary saying that some of the Laois lads needed to bulk up a bit to compete better in the physical stakes. Is he right?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: on the hop on November 09, 2020, 05:22:02 PM
well that was some finish to an interview by Eddie Brennan on Woolie's podcast!!, what do people thing.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ottoman on November 09, 2020, 05:27:43 PM
well that was some finish to an interview by Eddie Brennan on Woolie's podcast!!, what do people thing.

Whats this now. Did Brennan say something bad?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Butch Cassidy on November 09, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
Surely didnt realise it would be aired considering the language both used. Brennan doesnt come out of it well as not the best platform for airing your grievances. Wooly might have problems getting Eddie on again.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 09, 2020, 05:54:46 PM
Is it gone? I listened to the end of his segment and there wasnít anything in it?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 09, 2020, 06:03:51 PM
Yeah, exactly - what's the big deal?!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 09, 2020, 06:07:57 PM
It may have been edited since. But nothing in whatís there at the moment.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: beano on November 09, 2020, 07:19:23 PM
Could you take down that link ? Anyone with a love of Laois hurling would not be posting this up . He is 100% correct in what he says about county board but posting the interview up only guarantees that he wonít be there next year !!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: HURLING1 on November 09, 2020, 07:27:44 PM
No need to take it down
Gone through all the WhatsApp groups already.
Every gaa person hurling and football in Laois should listen to it.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 09, 2020, 07:37:37 PM
Ok, I've took it down. But let's face it - anyone with half a brain will be able to find it, with or without the link. Maybe we should take down this whole discussion?! It's the only thing that got me listening to it!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 09, 2020, 07:50:09 PM
Iím obviously missing something here. He didnít say anything he hasnít said already and I didnít hear anything of a sensitive nature. Are the controversial bits now cut?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 09, 2020, 07:58:43 PM
No, but I think he was hinting that the county board wasn't as proactive as it might be in finding solutions - ie. setting up a supporters club. Hardly explosive stuff!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 09, 2020, 08:01:25 PM
Should be asked to leave immediately, I presume a lot of you will argue for him to stay.  But this outrageous, completely undermined our County Board who were appointed by the clubs.  This is not a dictatorship we vote them in they do not need to be slandered by anyone.  If any of you want their jobs put your name in the hat and good luck to you.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on November 09, 2020, 08:03:40 PM
It was good while it lasted
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: HURLING1 on November 09, 2020, 08:06:08 PM
It sounds like he is too ambitious for our county.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Zooming around on November 09, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
It sounds like he is too ambitious for our county.

Heís not too ambitious for our county but he is too ambitious for our county board. Very good honest interview which will hopefully lead to action but I wonít hold my breath for our county football board to do anything for hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 09, 2020, 09:01:48 PM
I don't see anything at all explosive in what he said and honestly if county board members are going to be offended by this interview, then maybe they should consider their positions. We remember that Cheddar walked away for similar reasons so there is clearly an issue there and it's not one that's invented by Eddie Brennan.

Surely to God, it shouldn't be beyond the Laois GAA community to create a decent supporters club, with a proper fundraising capability in the UK, US and Australia? This is not so difficult any more. There are also eminent Laois people in large multi-national organisations and have shown a willingness to help and advise. I don't know how much would be needed but I can't imagine that it should be beyond the wit of the GAA community in Laois to generate sufficient funds to improve the environment for the players and the management team. Does the County Board have to sanction a supporters club or can it be done independently?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Zooming around on November 09, 2020, 09:19:32 PM
I don't see anything at all explosive in what he said and honestly if county board members are going to be offended by this interview, then maybe they should consider their positions. We remember that Cheddar walked away for similar reasons so there is clearly an issue there and it's not one that's invented by Eddie Brennan.

Surely to God, it shouldn't be beyond the Laois GAA community to create a decent supporters club, with a proper fundraising capability in the UK, US and Australia? This is not so difficult any more. There are also eminent Laois people in large multi-national organisations and have shown a willingness to help and advise. I don't know how much would be needed but I can't imagine that it should be beyond the wit of the GAA community in Laois to generate sufficient funds to improve the environment for the players and the management team. Does the County Board have to sanction a supporters club or can it be done independently?

They will be offended. They treat it like their communion money.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 09, 2020, 09:28:58 PM
What running a financially prudent County Board ?   Volunteering countless hours to be insulted.  Has the Center of Excellence being built for free ?  Have the new lights in O Moore Park being magically financed.    Eddie, Mike volunteering ?  Alot of people coming up with magical solutions that simply won't happen.   If any of you want to put your name forward to either raise money or put time in on the County Board I will happily vote for you.  Would you do it to be insulted like this ?  Easy to call names much harder to slog along for little gratitude. Do you honestly think Tom Brennan or Cathal Jackson have not already been spoken to regarding sponsorship,  I think both already do to some degree.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The Saint on November 09, 2020, 09:35:26 PM
Thereís no way that conversation was intended for the public domain. He even started the conversation by saying Ďobviously, this is off the recordí. With that said, he shouldnít have pulled the footballers and Quirke into it. His position is untenable now, not a hope he can stay after slating left, right and centre around him. Not too much wrong with what he said, but heís left it in a way that himself and the county board couldnít possibly work together again. And thatís a great shame.. you really felt the hurlers could do something big if theyíd complete but in from everyone
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 09, 2020, 09:42:26 PM
Nobody could deny the work that has been done with the CoE etc. No one could argue that the County Board shouldnít be financially prudent. Of course they should. But financial prudence is about investing wisely and ensuring that expenditure matches income. If you want to improve, you need to find ways to generate more income. Thatís not an unreasonable position and doesnít imply that the achievements of the county board are in any way diminished.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 09, 2020, 09:44:03 PM
Thereís no way that conversation was intended for the public domain. He even started the conversation by saying Ďobviously, this is off the recordí. With that said, he shouldnít have pulled the footballers and Quirke into it. His position is untenable now, not a hope he can stay after slating left, right and centre around him. Not too much wrong with what he said, but heís left it in a way that himself and the county board couldnít possibly work together again. And thatís a great shame.. you really felt the hurlers could do something big if theyíd complete but in from everyone

What slating?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The Saint on November 09, 2020, 09:54:16 PM
Are there two versions of this out there? ĎIf the county board came to my door I wouldnít give them a fuckin fiverí ... ĎX hasnít got a fuckin scoobydooí... ĎX didnít even fuckin know Derek Mcgrath, had to be tipped on the shoulder to stop calling him Ken McGrathí.... Ďthey got Derek McGrath for free and almost fucked that up too, very nearly messed it up completely in Marchí. Might not be exactly 100% word for word but itís very close if itís not. If I was on the receiving end of it Iíd be fairly certain I got a slating 😂
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 09, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Well then, yes - obviously one version has been cleaned up! A bit of a boo-boo on Eddie's part, for sure.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 09, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
Are there two versions of this out there? ĎIf the county board came to my door I wouldnít give them a fuckin fiverí ... ĎX hasnít got a fuckin scoobydooí... ĎX didnít even fuckin know Derek Mcgrath, had to be tipped on the shoulder to stop calling him Ken McGrathí.... Ďthey got Derek McGrath for free and almost fucked that up too, very nearly messed it up completely in Marchí. Might not be exactly 100% word for word but itís very close if itís not. If I was on the receiving end of it Iíd be fairly certain I got a slating 😂

Definitely not on the version I heard. Iíd be surprised and disappointed if something like that was published by a media outlet
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 09, 2020, 10:19:01 PM
Buff Egan has it now.
Yeah, could go one of two ways, but there'd be a lot of humble pie to be scoffed by a lot of people for it to go the way we'd like!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 09, 2020, 11:13:09 PM
In fairness it was a private discussion between two lads with a vested interest in the subject matter that's gone public. I would think both men are mortified. Hard to see Eddie surviving and the knives will be out for Wooly. It'll be another typical Laois f**k up story again.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 10, 2020, 12:18:10 AM
Unfortunately there was a five minute conversation between Wooly and Eddie after the official interview that was left in Wooly's podcast that went out.

Easy for Eddie to say that Kilkenny put the money into their hurling team when they barely spend more than a couple of hundred euro on their football team. Laois is a small county trying to complete in both hurling and football. When they release the annual expenditure of each county on their intercounty teams, Laois regularly fall somewhere not far outside the top 10 spending counties year on year. That for a county our size is no mean feat, especially when you can't entice financial backers with promises of provincial and all-Ireland success to row in behind. We also have a stadium the envy of most counties and a new centre of excellence that should be commended.

If lads want to take cheap shots off of county board officials that's their own prerogative but it is important to show perspective and some reality. Can things be done better in the county-absolutely. There is no denying or dismissing that. We have seen some good initiatives not followed through or built upon the way they should within the county e.g. underage hurling programme and structural reforms. However, to do these things properly needs huge financial investment. Unfortunately, there is not an bottomless money pit in Laois GAA and those on our county board are doing their best to make what money we do have stretch. Our problem is the same problem faced by the majority of other counties across Ireland.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 10, 2020, 12:20:47 AM
In fairness it was a private discussion between two lads with a vested interest in the subject matter that's gone public. I would think both men are mortified. Hard to see Eddie surviving and the knives will be out for Wooly. It'll be another typical Laois f**k up story again.

I wouldn't agree with the part highlighted. This was nothing to do with Laois GAA or someone associated with Laois GAA actually *wanting* to wash their laundry in public. This was at best a monumental f**k-up by the media and at worst a lousy rotten thing to do by them as some sort of sensational inside scoop. I'll let people be the judge of that themselves.

Either-way, I think the Laois hurling public have to get vocal in supporting Brennan to try and influence the impending fall-out. With enough public support for Brennan, the CB won't want to be seen as Trump-esque and firing him because "he hurt my feelings". If the CB fire Brennan then they have no guts.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 12:37:06 AM
In my opinion Brennan was off anyway. Like Sugrue, he's fed up training the second, third and fourth best that Laois have to offer. Nobody's fault really and the interview is a side show.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Zooming around on November 10, 2020, 09:19:52 AM
In my opinion Brennan was off anyway. Like Sugrue, he's fed up training the second, third and fourth best that Laois have to offer. Nobody's fault really and the interview is a side show.


I don't think he was off. He indicated in a couple of post match interviews that he wanted to stay. He is very passionate about this job and sees the potential for real improvement. Unfortunately, as i said earlier, our county board does not match his ambition. Hurling is a nuisance to most lads in the top positions in Laois
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2020, 09:22:26 AM
If Laois County Board don't sack him, it's not going to play out very well.  There is now a tension between the two sides,  which was not created by the County Board.  Managers constantly spout on about "professionalism" (berating your employer on National Media "professional" ) and using County Boards as a fall guy.  Quite simply the money is not there,  the GAA is not just there to facilitate senior teams.  There is a delusion among plenty of people that the GAA is all about the main team.  Laois GAA are naÔve in they constantly allow the cult of manager to grow to the detriment of the organization.  This again chips away at the Laois GAA Brand, If they are constantly been ran down how can you respect them ?  On  a personal level I find them very efficient if a little overran from the constant demands placed upon them. 

These outside manager only serve themselves and not Laois,  it's constant short-termism.  Eddie in some parts is being held up as the wronged when he insulted and berated the County Board.  It's always the same in this County,  the unpaid unhearlded County Board (trying to keep the whole thing running on pittance) are portrayed as the bad guys.  The Manager who gets paid "expenses" builds up unrealistic expectations is the hero and in the end the real victim is Laois GAA.

I'd be highly skeptical that Eddie is going to a higher level county,  other County Boards will be reluctant after this,  not many are comfortable in the media bubble.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 10, 2020, 09:26:47 AM
We all know what he said is true but lets face it he was gone anyway. There is only one loser in all this and that's Laois hurling, is Brennan the oracle? no but he made us become a better team and aside from Cheddar its a long time since we saw that. They both set standards high and wanted to aim even higher, both hit a brick wall and left. This cycle will never end as our CB don't give a toss about long term success for hurling in this county.

CB are on the hit list as usual for not meeting these standards but also lets not forget that its no secret how disappointed Brennan has been with lads not committing. We need those not committing to play and they wont, so once again standards not being met . So there's more at play than our CB and from what I hear that's as much of an issue as our CB for the mgt team.

At the end of the day Brennan comes out of this smelling of roses and will probably rock up at a high level county with Corcoran and achieve success.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 09:36:09 AM
If Laois County Board don't sack him, it's not going to play out very well.  There is now a tension between the two sides,  which was not created by the County Board.  Managers constantly spout on about "professionalism" (berating your employer on National Media "professional" ) and using County Boards as a fall guy.  Quite simply the money is not there,  the GAA is not just there to facilitate senior teams.  There is a delusion among plenty of people that the GAA is all about the main team.  Laois GAA are naÔve in they constantly allow the cult of manager to grow to the detriment of the organization.  This again chips away at the Laois GAA Brand, If they are constantly been ran down how can you respect them ?  On  a personal level I find them very efficient if a little overran from the constant demands placed upon them. 

These outside manager only serve themselves and not Laois,  it's constant short-termism.  Eddie in some parts is being held up as the wronged when he insulted and berated the County Board.  It's always the same in this County,  the unpaid unhearlded County Board (trying to keep the whole thing running on pittance) are portrayed as the bad guys.  The Manager who gets paid "expenses" builds up unrealistic expectations is the hero and in the end the real victim is Laois GAA.

Get a grip. The thing is run on a shoestring and that suits them just fine. Don't give me this poor old CB horse shite. You must be another lackey who gets free parking and a gentle pat on the back as you're let through the big gate. Your posts make me puke. Spineless
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
We all know what he said is true but lets face it he was gone anyway. There is only one loser in all this and that's Laois hurling, is Brennan the oracle? no but he made us become a better team and aside from Cheddar its a long time since we saw that. They both set standards high and wanted to aim even higher, both hit a brick wall and left. This cycle will never end as our CB don't give a toss about long term success for hurling in this county.

CB are on the hit list as usual for not meeting these standards but also lets not forget that its no secret how disappointed Brennan has been with lads not committing. We need those not committing to play and they wont, so once again standards not being met . So there's more at play than our CB and from what I hear that's as much of an issue as our CB for the mgt team.

At the end of the day Brennan comes out of this smelling of roses and will probably rock up at a high level county with Corcoran and achieve success.

Spot on. We are our own worst enemy here. We have good talented players who give this the side eye. Taking lads in from Kilkenny and Kerry is asking for trouble because they don't understand that mindset. You can't blame lads for not going in either, because let's be honest here, it's fairly meaningless. One big shit storm and that's just the bind the likes of ourselves and Offaly are in. I understand the hurling lads feeling second best, but believe me lads, the footballers are only getting a bigger portion at an already empty table. This debate goes deeper than Eddie Brennan and Laois
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2020, 09:48:48 AM
Shows your mentality insult people who you want contributing to Laois but then again what do you expect.  Good luck with tapping up the ultra wealthy when you insult people who are already contributing.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Zooming around on November 10, 2020, 10:05:04 AM
If Laois County Board don't sack him, it's not going to play out very well. 

I'd say it could play out very badly if they do sack him. The players love him and have made good progress under him. He has shown himself to be ambitious and wants to succeed.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 10:25:37 AM
Shows your mentality insult people who you want contributing to Laois but then again what do you expect.  Good luck with tapping up the ultra wealthy when you insult people who are already contributing.

You're right and I'm sorry BA. My language was a little coarse. Let's just say I disagree with your view point. Nobody does anything for nothing nowadays.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 10, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Sensational interview. There are always two sides to the story but I'm squarely with Eddie on this. I'm glad it came out as it will put maximum pressure on the county board. Aside from the money stuff, which is a genuine challenge in Laois, there are many things that our county board regularly botch. The running off our championships is one thing pointed out by Eddie which was a cause of frustration for everyone. The general lack of engagement, communication, stakeholder management is very poor. Every hurling manager in Laois except the useless spineless journeymen, and many of our more promenent senior hurlers over the years have said the same thing. County board couldn't give a flying f*&k about the players and the games. It is populated by people who have time on their hands to attend meetings rather than energetic thinkers who can work with people to get things done.

As for the LED lights - great for the environment but at a time when we are full of debt and there isn't a bob for our county teams. What was wrong with the old lights? Hardly an environmental disaster if they are turned on 10 times a year.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Butch Cassidy on November 10, 2020, 11:07:20 AM
There's obviously issues but this was not the platform for airing grievances and I'm surprised Eddie would speak so candidly to a person he wouldn't know all that well. It sounds like he has many issues and his frustration boiled over. I dont think Eddie came out of this well.

I hope Eddie sits down with the county board and iron out the differences as he has been great for Laois hurling an MBE great if they could build on the Clare game.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 10, 2020, 12:13:46 PM
I haven't heard the actual recording of the bit at the end but it's very unfortunate. I'm a huge fan of the work that Eddie Brennan has done and clearly he is a bit frutrated (particularly seeing the fine margins that were involved in the Clare game) but I do think it was an error of judgement to vent like that, even if it was off the record.

I would also feel that maybe the work done by the Country Board is not always appreciated properly (including by me). It was, after all, the County Board that was responsible for selecting the same Eddie Brennan in the first place and as Ballyroan points out are doing a lot of work for free. It's not a great reward to be denigrated like that in such a public way by a leading figure in GAA circles.

At the same time, I really hope that they can get together and resolve these issues in a way that respects all points of view (and also the financial realities that we're living in at the moment). I do hope the County Board will really consider the essence of the point - raising more resources - rather than taking personal offence (which I could easily understand in the circumstances). With Eddie Brennan in charge, I think fundraising would be an easier task than might have been the case in the past.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 10, 2020, 12:27:08 PM
I haven't heard the actual recording of the bit at the end but it's very unfortunate. I'm a huge fan of the work that Eddie Brennan has done and clearly he is a bit frutrated (particularly seeing the fine margins that were involved in the Clare game) but I do think it was an error of judgement to vent like that, even if it was off the record.

Giovanni, would recommend you listen to it. It is going around on Whatsapp. It is about 3-4 minutes long. I don't think it was an error of judgement at all. He was dead right. His job is not to placate the county board it is to contrast their support of the senior hurling team setup from what is acceptable, and what is normal in more successful counties. It might be a one sided perspective but it also points to a culture that is not likely to bring success in the future. We really need to do something like what Michael Duignan has done and parachute in someone who cares more about the development of the game than anything else.

Yes, the CB are volunteers that do a lot of good work. Grand, let them look after lights and such things but they should not have the purse strings or decisions on how competitions or run, coaching or on how to develop the games more broadly in the county. Their mediocre performance would suggest they are not up to the job.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 10, 2020, 12:34:18 PM
I agree with you Giovanni- maybe the publicity of this might help bring in additional backers/funding for next year. Laois hurlers have been on an upward curve since Eddie came in and there is still plenty of scope for improvement. While our underage teams haven't won too many big games lately we have seen some quality players on those sides. If those young players were to join a senior set up where the right environment and structures were in place you could see Laois stepping up another level and being competitive against top tier sides on a more regular basis over the next decade. Players like Podge Delaney have made great strides since being introduced to the panel-the potential is definitely there.  The Comerford's, James Keyes etc. are lads in their early 20s who are starting to/will break through and the future of Laois hurling could be a bright one if properly supported.

 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2020, 12:44:45 PM
Two stark examples for those of ye defending the county board

Laois nearly lost the services of Derek McGrath because it took the CB 10/11 weeks to make a decision to allow him to get on board

A simple Yes or No was what was required

Why the delay

Because if they got McGrath on board it would show up a lack of a ďnameĒ for the other underage teams instead of going balls out to get other top of the line coachís in for the u20ís

Tipp county board

Tipp footballers in Munster final Bloody Sunday centenary weekend

Want to play in the original green and white jersey

Roadblocks in the way as regards sanctioned jersey,sanctioned colors with croke park,oíneills having a jersey and stock in place and also with Teneo  the sponsor

Within 36 hours over a weekend

Everyone of those issues are sorted,tipp will play in the Bloody Sunday colors with Tipperary not Teneo across their midriffs

Why because their CB got off their holes and did what was necessary


Everything that Eddie Brennan said was True

True in relation to the Laois CB,the Hurling board and also in relation at the very end to Ned Quinn and the KK CB
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 10, 2020, 01:07:27 PM
Blueandwhite1 is right - and Brennan himself brought this up in the interview. Why the hell not get passionate hurling men (Niall Rigney was suggested as an example) and get them to infiltrate the County Board?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
County Board is a democracy so Niall does not need to infiltrate all he needs to get is people to vote for him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 01:41:01 PM
Democracy. If your face fits, go forward for selection. More politics than the Dail in GAA any day of the week. An absolute closed shop. You don't see many of these boys standing down despite being kilt with their voluntary duties. They just look for another role. Democracy me smalls.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 10, 2020, 01:50:33 PM
Duignan was an outspoken, former player and got elected. Why not the likes of Rigney if he wanted it?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 10, 2020, 01:50:53 PM
County Board is a democracy so Niall does not need to infiltrate all he needs to get is people to vote for him.

That was the term Brennan used.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 01:56:00 PM
It would take a Duignan type figure, someone with that sort of profile, to infiltrate it. Infiltrate was a good choice of word in my opinion, and I hate that it's a good word. Nobody getting in there without considerable backing.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2020, 02:34:59 PM
Duignan was an outspoken, former player and got elected. Why not the likes of Rigney if he wanted it?

What exactly has changed in Offaly under Duignan ? I would guess nothing and nothing much will change before Duignan bows out in a year or two.   As they say" it's the hope that kills "  . 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
And why? Because he'll probably be kicking against the stubbles trying to bring about change. These lads don't like change. These lads like the way they do things. They're in there because they loves their county and it's good for their health.  ;D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 10, 2020, 03:30:37 PM
Its going on years and we have all heard this argument before ...I know people who got involved and tried to initiate change over the years, good people but they quickly saw change wasn't happening and wouldn't happen....Its a matter of join the status quo or leave...


There are good people involved but I'm telling you now nothing is for changing...We will lose good men, good managers and good players because of the lack of ambition of the powers that be in this county...

We are staring down the barrel of losing another group of Laois hurlers. How many times have we done this over the years and it never changes?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 10, 2020, 05:45:26 PM
Its going on years and we have all heard this argument before ...I know people who got involved and tried to initiate change over the years, good people but they quickly saw change wasn't happening and wouldn't happen....Its a matter of join the status quo or leave...


There are good people involved but I'm telling you now nothing is for changing...We will lose good men, good managers and good players because of the lack of ambition of the powers that be in this county...

We are staring down the barrel of losing another group of Laois hurlers. How many times have we done this over the years and it never changes?


Yawn more like People who want it their way get involved, don't get their way call the rest of them useless before throwing their toys out of the pram calling them a corrupt group of so and so's
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 10, 2020, 07:30:18 PM
I haven't heard the actual recording of the bit at the end but it's very unfortunate. I'm a huge fan of the work that Eddie Brennan has done and clearly he is a bit frutrated (particularly seeing the fine margins that were involved in the Clare game) but I do think it was an error of judgement to vent like that, even if it was off the record.

Giovanni, would recommend you listen to it. It is going around on Whatsapp. It is about 3-4 minutes long. I don't think it was an error of judgement at all. He was dead right. His job is not to placate the county board it is to contrast their support of the senior hurling team setup from what is acceptable, and what is normal in more successful counties. It might be a one sided perspective but it also points to a culture that is not likely to bring success in the future. We really need to do something like what Michael Duignan has done and parachute in someone who cares more about the development of the game than anything else.

Yes, the CB are volunteers that do a lot of good work. Grand, let them look after lights and such things but they should not have the purse strings or decisions on how competitions or run, coaching or on how to develop the games more broadly in the county. Their mediocre performance would suggest they are not up to the job.

I feel that the error of judgement wasn't really about whether he was right or wrong (the evidence of history suggests that he might be right). The error of judgement was venting like this to someone who was outside of the system (and who has his own record of going on solo runs when it suits him). Keeping what's said in the dressing room internal to the group is a basic rule and I don't think that rule should be broken no matter how frustrated you are. I'm sure he knows that and accepts that.

Having said that, I do hope that this isn't considered a hanging offence. It's clear it wasn't meant for public consumption. I hope that fences can be mended and that Eddie Brennan can be supported in staying on. I still think that it shouldn't be that complicated to get a decent supporters club going and with good people like Eddie Brennan involved, there would be something to build fundraising efforts on. There's great support for Laois hurling especially when there is hope of being competitive. We shouldn't waste the opportunity.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: finbar o tool on November 10, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
My tuppance worth lads, we had a Savage year last year and went from Joe McDonagh status to Liam McCarthy status, any manager in any sport in the world, after getting a promotion, would want to improve standards and improve resources. It's a no brainer! It looks like our county board don't have the ambition required to do this. They have form, Sugrue wanted to do the same, Cheddar wanted to do the same, what happened? They got told no, f**k off. Same thing is happening again. This recording is brilliant because it tells the truth in no uncertain terms, its also terrible because Brennan will probably walk now, it'll come down to the County board coughing up the resources, or he walks, and I reckon he'll end up having to walk. What manager will want to come in now after hearing what he'll be dealing with if he does.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 10, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
Its going on years and we have all heard this argument before ...I know people who got involved and tried to initiate change over the years, good people but they quickly saw change wasn't happening and wouldn't happen....Its a matter of join the status quo or leave...


There are good people involved but I'm telling you now nothing is for changing...We will lose good men, good managers and good players because of the lack of ambition of the powers that be in this county...

We are staring down the barrel of losing another group of Laois hurlers. How many times have we done this over the years and it never changes?


Yawn more like People who want it their way get involved, don't get their way call the rest of them useless before throwing their toys out of the pram calling them a corrupt group of so and so's
My apologies for boring you further but  I certainly wouldnt call our CB useless  as they are very proficient at what they they do, which amounts to self serving BS which hinders the progress of Laois hurling and football  at every level...enjoy your CB meetings  talking about  all the minions daring to question the authority that is so deserved at our top table.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 10, 2020, 08:59:55 PM
Its going on years and we have all heard this argument before ...I know people who got involved and tried to initiate change over the years, good people but they quickly saw change wasn't happening and wouldn't happen....Its a matter of join the status quo or leave...


There are good people involved but I'm telling you now nothing is for changing...We will lose good men, good managers and good players because of the lack of ambition of the powers that be in this county...

We are staring down the barrel of losing another group of Laois hurlers. How many times have we done this over the years and it never changes?


Yawn more like People who want it their way get involved, don't get their way call the rest of them useless before throwing their toys out of the pram calling them a corrupt group of so and so's
My apologies for boring you further but  I certainly wouldnt call our CB useless  as they are very proficient at what they they do, which amounts to self serving BS which hinders the progress of Laois hurling and football  at every level...enjoy your CB meetings  talking about  all the minions daring to question the authority that is so deserved at our top table.

Any names on your good people ? Or is this your regular BS
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 10, 2020, 09:45:35 PM
Yes each were assigned a name at birth... and thanks for the compliment.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 10:00:01 PM
Looks like Greenandgold was sent out to bat for the CB  ::) - BA was already doing a stern enough job. Nothing to see here. We're all perfectly happy with the way things are. How dare Eddie Brennan, John Sugrue and others try to change things. Upstarts!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 10, 2020, 10:04:23 PM
If Brennan goes, it'll reflect very badly on the county board. EXTREMELY badly, in fact. And it would be national news. Will that concentrate minds?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2020, 10:37:46 PM
I have no skin in the game bar Laois GAA.  Lets play this game the County Board is damned if they do, damned if they don't.  If Eddie Brennan stays they are basically stooges allowing any manager who feels like it to insult them.  If he stays and in a months time, his offered a higher profile job and steps down they look like clowns.  If they sack him now they upset the fans.  Basically your all prepared to let good men sink and your county become a laughing stock,  In the hope you will somehow be magically a top table team.  That takes time and work not some sort of quick fix manager.  But then again many will disagree.   Eddie Brennan has damaged the brand of Laois GAA but nobody seems to care about that.

Any of you insult your employer tomorrow on National Radio, would you expect to be in a job ?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 10:45:26 PM
They need to forget their pride and do what's right for Laois GAA. We have all known embarrassment and/or disappointment in life. You just have to put that aside and do what's right overall. If Brennan is the man the players want, then they really are the only ones that matter
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: HURLING1 on November 10, 2020, 11:04:34 PM
Why hire managers from counties like Kerry and Kilkenny and then expect them to have no ambition.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2020, 11:27:29 PM
I've often wondered the same HURLING. I suppose it ticks boxes, fits the budget and looks good. The problems start when the magician asks for a wand.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Leixlad on November 11, 2020, 09:01:44 AM
Lets be honest the county board have spent the last couple of days deciding what to do next in this situation to not make themselves look bad - they will not have given a thought to what was said or how to improve Laois hurling/football.
What Brennan said was 100% true and everyone knows it. Leaked accidentally my eye - Brennan was stitched up for publicity and personal gain. Im sure it was no surprise to any genuine Laois supporters - i didn't bat an eyelid when i heard it anyway. Was hardly breaking news.
I dont subscribe to the notion that the county board shouldn't be criticized because they "volunteer" - thats boll*cks. Volunteers or not they are responsible for the running of Laois GAA and if they are doing a bad job why shouldn't they be held accountable and criticized? Woops we made a mess of another generation of hurlers but its ok we are volunteers, dont worry we will have another group come along in a few years. Look at our environmentally friendly lights though.
I dont see any change coming from this - If men like Sugrue and Cheddar walked away that tells us everything we need to know.
Brennan will walk shortly, Quirke not far behind i would imagine and the cycle will start all over again. 

In 10 years time -
Remember the hurling team we had in 2019. We had some great days following them. Twice in Croke park that summer, TWICE! Laois hurlers in Croker. Knocked Dublin out on a magical day in Portlaoise. We were the talk of the country. On the news, in the papers. Ambitious panel and a good young manager. Rowland was robbed of an All Star, John Lennon was sweeper not a singer.
What ever happened them afterwards? County board made a balls of it, had no plan to back it up, no ideas to sustain success, wouldn't support the manager and eventually he walked as they had no ambition.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2020, 09:10:15 AM
Great post Leixlad. John Lennon was a sweeper not a singer. Beauty.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laoisred on November 11, 2020, 10:02:39 AM
Have to agree with Finbar above and indeed with most of what Eddie Brennan has said in the 'interview'. Its tough operating in a small backroom team when you have to fight (and ask) for every little thing you need. Having said that, you have to have some respect for those that employed you and it is clear that that is not there in this case. There is a potential solution in the short-term by having an additional liaison officer operating between the backroom team and the CB but that will only paper over the cracks. The real issue is that the ambitions of the current management don't align with those of the county board for hurling. (And of course there is the related issue of an uneven playing field when it comes to resources). It pretty much seems to be the same reason why John Sugrue and Cheddar left similar positions in the past: short-termism, no plan, no ambition

I know EB has many fans here, (especially in the local media) and throughout Laois but he needs to be challenged too - why has he continued with punditry, continuous media, social media etc etc throughout his term as manager of Laois? (none of the other managers except Davy Fitz do as much as him). Why won't so many of the players commit to a Laois hurling team under him ? Why were Laois so so bad two weeks ago versus Dublin? People have short memories. I'm not sure the CB (primarily those named in the interview) have the ability or stomach to challenge him constructively for the betterment of Laois hurling.

The upshot is that he will leave either now (if things can't be patched up) or next year, most likely for Dublin (given Corcoran's connections), or potentially for Wexford, where resources are not an issue. Laois will remain in and around the tallest of the dwarfs.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 11, 2020, 10:39:17 AM
Really shows a lot of lads on here have no real clue,  there is no Sugar Daddies out there willing to give money like Wooly and Eddie described.  Of course there is decent contributions made by Sponsors and Laois People.   However knocking the County Board like this won't encourage Sponsors to put more in.    If any of you remember the state of the County Finances and level of infrastructure in the early 2000's you might not be so quick to criticize.  There is a lot I don't agree with in regard to Laois Football & Hurling,  can we be improve ?  Of course we can.  Are the County Board making mistake the simple answer is yes,  but also are they generally doing a decent job the answer is yes.  Was Eddie Brennan angling to leave before the weekend ?  Our County Board does a decent enough job looking after the needs of Football & Hurling, does this hurt one or the other at times of course it does.  Eddie comes from Kilkenny which is a  one code county, others use Tipperary a county that is twice the size of Laois,  Wexford (Who have a mega backer whose not particularly interested in Football).  Let's be realistic.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laoisred on November 11, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
My sense is that most of the posters on here have a very real clue of what is possible in today's world. Do you genuinely believe that 'Teneo' fell onto the laps of the Tipp County Board, or in counties as small as Laois - 'Abbvie' in Sligo or 'Investec' in Monaghan??. County Boards have worked for these and asked ex-pats/senior personnel in corporations to get involved. You only need one or perhaps two (in a dual county like Laois) to supplement what Matty Walsh has been doing. It is absolutely realistic !!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 11, 2020, 11:49:46 AM
Yes, it is absolutely realistic. You have to work at it of course - as Laoisred says it won't fall into your lap - but it is possible.

By the way, I would also say that having one sugar daddy type sponsor is not the only way to increase available funds (although it is a realistic ambition). I would say that a bit of mobilisation of the Laois diaspora at home and abroad could yield good returns on an ongoing basis. Again, this requires time and effort but this is hardly an idea from the lunatic bin.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 11, 2020, 01:57:44 PM
There are two issues:

- No money
- CB haven't a clue and don't give a f*&k. Never have. Too caught up in their little cliques. They do barely enough to keep the media from their door.

The first is hard for a small county but who here has been asked for any money? I was a member of the supporters club when it existed and I'm sure it was well subscribed. Would happily put my hand in my pocket again. You need an aggressive marketing mindset to raise funds. Are we aggressive with looking for more money - my hole.

On the CB delegates and chairpersons, if they gave a f**k and were doing their best you would forgive them as volunteers. If they are not putting the county board under pressure and driving things forward then they shouldn't be put forward by their clubs or should basically f&@k off. There is a general mantra out there that there is no point in trying to break it up and change the culture but ffs, if we have that attitude then we will never be any good.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 11, 2020, 02:43:34 PM
There are two issues:

- No money
- CB haven't a clue and don't give a f*&k. Never have. Too caught up in their little cliques. They do barely enough to keep the media from their door.

The first is hard for a small county but who here has been asked for any money? I was a member of the supporters club when it existed and I'm sure it was well subscribed. Would happily put my hand in my pocket again. You need an aggressive marketing mindset to raise funds. Are we aggressive with looking for more money - my hole.

On the CB delegates and chairpersons, if they gave a f**k and were doing their best you would forgive them as volunteers. If they are not putting the county board under pressure and driving things forward then they shouldn't be put forward by their clubs or should basically f&@k off. There is a general mantra out there that there is no point in trying to break it up and change the culture but ffs, if we have that attitude then we will never be any good.

Lad's nobody stopping you going forward to change this whole corrupt system.  You seem to have all answers I breathlessly await what your going to do. I don't remember the County Board insulting Eddie Brennan, would you be so forgiving if it was the other way round ?

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 11, 2020, 03:01:28 PM
There are two issues:

- No money
- CB haven't a clue and don't give a f*&k. Never have. Too caught up in their little cliques. They do barely enough to keep the media from their door.

The first is hard for a small county but who here has been asked for any money? I was a member of the supporters club when it existed and I'm sure it was well subscribed. Would happily put my hand in my pocket again. You need an aggressive marketing mindset to raise funds. Are we aggressive with looking for more money - my hole.

On the CB delegates and chairpersons, if they gave a f**k and were doing their best you would forgive them as volunteers. If they are not putting the county board under pressure and driving things forward then they shouldn't be put forward by their clubs or should basically f&@k off. There is a general mantra out there that there is no point in trying to break it up and change the culture but ffs, if we have that attitude then we will never be any good.

Lad's nobody stopping you going forward to change this whole corrupt system.  You seem to have all answers I breathlessly await what your going to do. I don't remember the County Board insulting Eddie Brennan, would you be so forgiving if it was the other way round ?

They wouldn't have the gumption to insult Eddie and unlike them, he gives a damn about how our lads are treated.

I'm a nobody. The names that need to go forward, if they can get over the neanderthals that run some of our clubs, are people with clout and reputation. I will happily put my hand in my pocket and agitate with people who have names in the county but that is about the limits of what I can do.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2020, 03:12:19 PM
BA sounds like a delegate to me. Or was one. Or wants to be one. Free parking. Free entry. Sandwiches and tea at half time. Cosy
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 12, 2020, 12:44:07 PM
The local media have had their say. We need to be good boys and girls and stop slagging off the CB. There is no way Santy comes to those who talk bad about the great volunteers in the CB.

On a serious note, I read Laois Today every day. I have to say I have nothing but admiration for the commitment and output from their team. I don't agree with a lot of what they say about the CB in particular, but that's fine, they have to get on with them and I don't. In my opinion, forums and social media, as long as they don't get personal, have their place in any discussion. The world would be a boring place if our opinions were shaped by others, and it's fairly obvious that many on here agree with Eddie Brennan and Wooly
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 12, 2020, 12:53:14 PM
It's easy for us to give our opinion here. Maybe CB members read it maybe they don't. If people are serious about wanting to hold on to Eddie Brennan or express their opinion on the matter then it makes more sense to email the CB directly. Not to have a go or slag them off but to put across their reason as to why Eddie should be kept on. They won't have much of an idea about any support for keeping him if it's just on Facebook, this forum or whatsapp.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 12, 2020, 01:03:50 PM
Ah come on red. It's fairly obvious that getting rid of Brennan would be unpopular. Even those who defend the CB at every turn would acknowledge that, surely? I know we can be hot headed in Laois, but that would be bringing our stubbornness to a different level. The two sides need to get together and see what can be done. If Eddie can't get what he needs, for his own sake, he should walk. Just my opinion
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 12, 2020, 01:06:34 PM
I must have been one of the last to get access to this controversial clip.
There is definitely more than one side to this.

There is a problem at CB level. There have been a small number of people rotating around positions (by their own choice) and hanging on to positions for no apparent reason. Staying onboard with a couple of influential guys does realistically seem to be key to getting in and staying in. In reality this is probably the same in most clubs and counties. But to constantly be talking about volunteers and a thankless job is not exactly true either, These guys clamber to get in there and hang on at all costs to stay there. I'm not suggesting there is financial gain, but there is a level of profile that seems to please certain guys. A few years ago we had a guy who had spent years trying to become Chairman, did his full term as Chairman, and then contested (and lost) 4 or 5 positions before eventually getting elected as PRO (beating a couple of younger guys who were trying to get involved). That's a strange way to carry on.

I want to see EB remain, and I hope it does happen. But, this is a guy who has played the media game for a long time now. We have had managers regularly who have been very good at creating a narrative for themselves in the National media and getting their excuses for leaving/failing well rooted and out there. Even St Micko went down this route on more than one occasion.
Brennan has done a very good job as manager, an excellent job if you remove the Dublin game this year. But he has also tried to be very clever in maintaining his media profile and there are times when appearances at National level in the media were clearly staged. The interviewer would appear well briefed beforehand etc. You can't keep burning things at both ends, eventually something like this happens. His primary duty was/is to Laois GAA and Laois Hurlers, not "staying in" with the likes of Parkinson. That last bit annoys me, and I know it won't be well received here.

It's hard to see a way out. Why the CB official quoted in a newspaper article today agreed to comment is beyond me. Horrific judgement on his part.

And for anyone who thinks an email to the CB would achieve anything...you'd be lucky to get a reply as a Club Officer, never mind a random supporter.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 12, 2020, 01:11:13 PM
A very fair and well written/balanced post Keyser.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 12, 2020, 01:46:18 PM
Wouldn't be expecting a reply but if there were a few hundred emails it might make lads think twice before any decisions are made!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 12, 2020, 01:51:54 PM
And for anyone who thinks an email to the CB would achieve anything...you'd be lucky to get a reply as a Club Officer, never mind a random supporter.

You're spot on there Keyser. They ignore well intentioned delegates that try to bring about change to their faces. Emails wouldn't even be read.

Media pressure has worked as it causes embarrassment and forces them to do the minimum. Willie Hyland's epic open letter a few years ago, Cheddar's campaign for support for hurling and now Eddie. Shame the hoors. Only thing that seems to do anything. What's the worse that could happen - they will resign. Not as if it could get much worse.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 12, 2020, 02:26:21 PM
The CB attitude is like moving cattle. Prod them with a stick and they will move in the direction you want them to but stop prodding and they will stand on the ditch filling their bellies and looking for a way to dodge the prodding.

We need a need breed of CB. One that is proactice, positive, brings new blood and ideas into the whole thing.

One person wont achieve anything but 5-6 with similar attitudes would be a start.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 12, 2020, 04:58:13 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/11/12/laois-gaa-to-meet-eddie-brennan-next-week-as-fallout-continues-from-controversial-interview/?fbclid=IwAR2P8Io822udBSq28KSLMXFe4zmq6kYTq3_JjN4BvojgwQLyqBIsRTUco1w (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/11/12/laois-gaa-to-meet-eddie-brennan-next-week-as-fallout-continues-from-controversial-interview/?fbclid=IwAR2P8Io822udBSq28KSLMXFe4zmq6kYTq3_JjN4BvojgwQLyqBIsRTUco1w)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: TheGiantSquid on November 12, 2020, 06:15:26 PM
Is there any chance any of the CB will step away or step down after getting this national slating. The general consensus from the clip is that EB is dead right and the CB are solid useless. Does anyone actually disagree with this?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 12, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
It will be interesting to see the fallout from that meeting. If they're going in to make sure Tom, Dick and Harry's feelings are not too hurt, then they shouldn't bother their arses. A change in approach is needed from the CB and side discussions about apologies are just that. Brennan needs to stick to his guns now. By all means apologise for the personal insults, but don't spare the whip in slapping up their deficiencies to them. We've been in a coma in Laois for years with our approach to our games and administration. I'd love to think this is a fork in the road, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 12, 2020, 06:27:15 PM
Is there any chance any of the CB will step away or step down after getting this national slating. The general consensus from the clip is that EB is dead right and the CB are solid useless. Does anyone actually disagree with this?

Unlikely imo. If anything, lads who served their time only wanted to serve more in a different capacity, as Keyser pointed out. I guarantee you they are stinging right now, but only because their pride has been hurt. I doubt they even heard Eddie's main points
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 12, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
IMO next weeks meeting  is for one thing and one thing only , so the lads on the CB get their pound of flesh .No matter what the public think the CB will not give Brennan the extra year. 

It just shows one thing, the CB have an open door to push to do the right thing and say to Brennan yes you shouldnt have said that about us and more fool us for making you think that but let's build on the last 2 years and finally make Laois hurling progress at a national level.

Just a pity they wont push that open door, they will revert to type because they are more important than the players who committed,  more important than laois supporters sitting in Croke Park on all Ireland 1/4 final day going toe to toe with Tipp who thought they would never see the day and far more important than Laois hurling succeeding.

Is it any wonder players/supporters give up .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: beano on November 12, 2020, 09:21:34 PM
Great post Portlaoise kid!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: seafoid on November 12, 2020, 09:43:45 PM
If Laois kick on from here with Brennan they could be a top 6 county within a few years.
I really hope he stays for the sake of young lads hurling in Laois.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: town1980 on November 12, 2020, 09:55:17 PM
Yee are forgetting that Eddie was totally lined up with what Parkinson did,,, he did say off the record he was chatting to someone who is interviewing a lot of people and he was taken advantage of ,, I for one donít blame Eddie I blame the guy who did the interview for his own personal gain in getting ratings for joe.ie,,, the man is very competitive and has done a wonderful job ..I canít see him staying on I think he should just step away himself he has made our inadequate Gaa leaders in Laois look like clowns with no ambition,, when he goes we will be back bottom of the barrel but  yet we will still vote in inadequate
Leaders who hire and fire the people who are supposed to bring us Laois forward when letís be fair Eddie has stated they couldnít give a hoot n both codes
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: finbar o tool on November 12, 2020, 10:00:58 PM
This is about more than Eddie Brennan. I hope Eddie stays and I hope the CB commit to getting him extra resources. But the point is, it's about the CB taking a new approach of forward thinking, forward planning, that the supports and resources will be there, and will continue to grow, when Eddie Brennan is gone, and when the next manager after him is gone. That's the point here. The CB need to grasp this quick or step aside and let other people drive it on.
I will say, the CB positions are not easy positions and respect to all who step up to do it. But stepping up to stand in for photos is not enough anymore, as a previous poster said, they need to be proactive, work hard in those CB positions to ensure there is better supports and resources that are growing on a continuous basis for the future. That's the point the CB here don't get IMO.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Leixlad on November 13, 2020, 08:11:06 AM
IMO next weeks meeting  is for one thing and one thing only , so the lads on the CB get their pound of flesh .No matter what the public think the CB will not give Brennan the extra year. 

It just shows one thing, the CB have an open door to push to do the right thing and say to Brennan yes you shouldnt have said that about us and more fool us for making you think that but let's build on the last 2 years and finally make Laois hurling progress at a national level.

Just a pity they wont push that open door, they will revert to type because they are more important than the players who committed,  more important than laois supporters sitting in Croke Park on all Ireland 1/4 final day going toe to toe with Tipp who thought they would never see the day and far more important than Laois hurling succeeding.

Is it any wonder players/supporters give up .

That's it in a nutshell, well summed up.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 13, 2020, 08:44:18 AM
The CB need to get him in before next week. The longer this goes on, the more bullet wounds they are taking. Inadvertently, a door has been opened, and outside of the Yes Men county delegates, it has been amazing to see the amount of anti CB sentiment. In fairness to one CB officer in particular, there are probably good enough grounds for defamation proceedings to be brought. I personally would be ashamed to go back in there after getting such a public dressing down.

For what it's worth, I'd be happy to commit funds via a standing order every month if the right people were involved and it looked like they had plans to be progressive in some way. I will NEVER do anything like that if the sort of stuff that Eddie talked about is going on. That shit has to stop. Our players at county level in particular deserve better
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 13, 2020, 09:07:18 AM
Think of it this way. If 500 people put in 100 euros a month, that would be 600k every year. 1000 people and you have 1.2 million. For that I'd want two independently elected representatives on the CB, say a poll run by Laois Today, and if they're not happy, we pull our standing order at the end of the year. Just an idea. I'm sure there are many better ones out there
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: LOVEGAA on November 13, 2020, 09:35:37 AM
I would be very wary of the County Board doing the right thing next week.   They have an arrogance about them that will be hard to change.

This week should have been about how well the team did last week and how much they have improved under Eddie Brennan but unfortunately this has been pushed aside .  How much say have the players about the role of Eddie Brennan I wonder. (doubt they have any ) .  This should be taken into consideration before any decision will be made
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 13, 2020, 10:06:00 AM
While its great to see people talking about fundraising and money.

We should be also talking about governance and doing better with what we currently have already


1.We have been allocated funds for 1 games manager and 4 GDA's, we have never had all these posts filled at the one time, why not?

2.There have been 2 strategic plans published in the last 6/7 years, why have little if any of the findings been put in place, even those which were revenue neutral?.

3.Why do we have numerous issues relating to the running of our underage hurling,

Lets take one, Why is juvenile gradings in the hands of one man who bases the gradings on what you have or haven't done against his club, in any other county the clubs send in a rep to a gradings meeting where it is trashed out, here one man decides.

4.The Website is an embarrassment, there's no shortage of qualified people who could make massive improvements in this area.

5.The CoE came in 1% over budget and credit in particular is due to the treasurer for keeping a multimillion euro build on time and on track, God willing when covid goes,

We need to sweat those assets.

one idea of mine

at juvenile level,Expose every hurler and club coach in the county to regular s&c and skills best practice

at u13 we have 16 teams

16 teams x 25 players =400 players

we break it into 12 groups of 33 players and we do it in 3 week cycles

so for S&C,each group is brought into the CoE and given 90 mins of expert coaching, both coaches and players are given their home work and they come back in 3 weeks

skills the same system,

We utilize the GDA's,get in outside experts the likes of Martin Fogarty,Paudie Butler etc,but we also utilize the great hurling men in this county, Your PC's your cheddars and also our current players (We have at least 14 u13 hurling keepers in this county who adore Enda Rowland),just imagine what 3 sessions a year with Enda would do to those lads

Our aim should be to have every u13 hurler getting 2 sessions in the CoE every 3 weeks

And thatís just the u13ís

Similar needs to be done with the 15ís/17ís even the 20ís

We have a small player base and we need every player to progress, no one gets left behind.




 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 13, 2020, 10:08:37 AM
Personally, I always subscribed to the supporters' club when it was going, and I had no idea why it stopped.

Hard to see the CB bowing before Eddie's every wish but, God, I wonder where the hell Laois will be in two years without someone like him? Look at Offaly.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 13, 2020, 10:27:12 AM
Great post clonadmad.

I won't subscribe to anything unless things change dramatically. I would want the sort of suggestions that clonad and others put forward to have a platform. I've been sick of the lack of ideas and ambition for a long time. Even the clubs are stuck in a timewarp.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Leixlad on November 13, 2020, 11:04:27 AM
Would happily subscribe to fund the hurling team - but i would not send my money to the county board, no way. I think there-in lies the issue that a lot of people have.
The county board is holding Laois hurling back - I am willing to pledge money to the team(s) but i wont because i dont trust the county board.
Just one small example.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The PRO on November 13, 2020, 05:02:11 PM
two independently elected representatives on the CB, say a poll run by Laois Today
Laois Today poll to elect two representatives on the county board. What could possibly go wrong?!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 13, 2020, 05:18:15 PM
Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 13, 2020, 05:36:36 PM
I could put together a list of 15 people that I would want front and centre in the supporters club and I would be confident that everyone on here would have at least 10 of them on their shortlist


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The PRO on November 13, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
No argument with that but an online poll is fraught with danger.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 13, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
it's about the CB taking a new approach of forward thinking, forward planning,  ;D ;D ;D that the supports and resources will be there, and will continue to grow, when Eddie Brennan is gone, and when the next manager after him is gone. That's the point here. The CB need to grasp this quick or step aside and let other people drive it on.

You obviously haven't met them finbar. We would all love that but their number one goal is to keep themselves in power. Why? Because they enjoy the power and think they are great lads. Power for power's sake. Same in lots of other amateur organizations and some professional ones (see the FAI for reference).
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 13, 2020, 06:01:24 PM
Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
No argument with that but an online poll is fraught with danger.

I don't care if it's done by a blind man to be honest. I want this cosy set up smashed to smithereens. They sicken my f**king hole, and all the hangers on that go with them.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: SCFC on November 13, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
I could put together a list of 15 people that I would want front and centre in the supporters club and I would be confident that everyone on here would have at least 10 of them on their shortlist

Fair enough but would they want to do it? It's easy to say X or Y would be a great lad to get on board but a lot of people are happy enough not to be involved.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 13, 2020, 07:26:59 PM
I could put together a list of 15 people that I would want front and centre in the supporters club and I would be confident that everyone on here would have at least 10 of them on their shortlist

Fair enough but would they want to do it? It's easy to say X or Y would be a great lad to get on board but a lot of people are happy enough not to be involved.


Often easier with some to curse the dark than light a candle

Simple answer

Start by asking them
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 13, 2020, 08:46:24 PM
Cheddar and Rigney, both from the club that have biggest pick by country mile in the county.....and they cant even put the structures and systems in place to get their own club to top level.....but based on nothing only their media presence their the lads we need involved....nonsense. laois need a good portlaoise hurling team and town, cheddar has them playing 2nd tier, get their own house in order before they save the county please


Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
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Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on November 13, 2020, 09:08:50 PM
two independently elected representatives on the CB, say a poll run by Laois Today
Laois Today poll to elect two representatives on the county board. What could possibly go wrong?!!

I think it was the Laois People social media page, not Laois Today
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 13, 2020, 10:28:21 PM
Cheddar and Rigney, both from the club that have biggest pick by country mile in the county.....and they cant even put the structures and systems in place to get their own club to top level.....but based on nothing only their media presence their the lads we need involved....nonsense. laois need a good portlaoise hurling team and town, cheddar has them playing 2nd tier, get their own house in order before they save the county please


Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
super stuff, the coherence of your argument suggests you would thrive on our county board....

Cheddar and Niall would obviously be awful choices as part of a Laois administration but hell  the lads in there are doing so well , I believe it's a case of it's not broken why fix it ?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 14, 2020, 09:29:19 AM
yes you really picked my arguement apart there!!!
its not an arguement though, it's an observation...if they dont have leadership and drive to make hurling thrive in out biggest population centre, why would you think they the men for county board ( a bigger job)

Eddie brennan  seemed to imply he wanted club championship run off a a blitz, bar not having 2 physios, he didnt make one coherent point to woolly, just enjoyed giving out for sake of it.  I'd love to see him continue, maybe he should offer to half his fee as contrition for rubbish he spreading.

they weren't questioning his performance as manager was a gripe of his...if they were he be going to woolly, "woolly look at the year we had last year, and the gombeens in county board are challenging me on fitness of team etc"

a five minute rant with no coherent points made...populas rubbish that appeals to people on Facebook and twitter.
Eddie Brennan wanted more funds, but never gave one hint of type of stuff more funds would bring to laois set up  nonsense!!

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Cheddar and Rigney, both from the club that have biggest pick by country mile in the county.....and they cant even put the structures and systems in place to get their own club to top level.....but based on nothing only their media presence their the lads we need involved....nonsense. laois need a good portlaoise hurling team and town, cheddar has them playing 2nd tier, get their own house in order before they save the county please


Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
super stuff, the coherence of your argument suggests you would thrive on our county board....

Cheddar and Niall would obviously be awful choices as part of a Laois administration but hell  the lads in there are doing so well , I believe it's a case of it's not broken why fix it ?
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Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 14, 2020, 10:31:33 AM
Two names were mentioned, two respected names, and you latched onto that ohara. Everyone's credibility can be torn to shreds if you analyse them in detail or, if you really want to, which you seem to want to do. Fair play, you're even having a great shot at taking down a many times All Ireland winner, but I think that's the point at which you lost me. The man knows his stuff and he didn't ask for the Championship to be run like a Blitz at all, so your paraphrasing is futile. Yes he went on a bit of a rant, and if given a lot more time than 5 minutes, I could go on a massive rant about everything that grinds my gears with Laois GAA. I don't mind that you take the opposing view, or that you have an axe to grind, but this is not populous bullshit. A lot of people have had enough with the way things are done, and I know some players I can count amongst this number; some on the panel and some not. Some current and some ex. I'm grateful to Eddie Brennan for confirming to me what I had been thinking for a very long time, and if he's done nothing else, he has certainly confirmed that everything is not the way I would want it to be.

By the way, I seem to remember another poster using your name who would come on in typical wind up merchant fashion whenever an issue arose in my fine county. Now I'm not accusing you of anything, and if you want to debate, let's get it on. But if you are on here just looking for a wind up, I suggest you crawl back into whatever Carlow/Kildare/Offaly gripe you came out of.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 14, 2020, 10:36:48 AM
Just looking at some stuff on Social Media and there are a couple of small things we would need to get realistic about.

Splitting the pot and fundraising separately for hurling and football isnít and canít be an option. I think hurling would probably suffer here.

Contributions to a supporters fund would be welcome. But if people would elect to do this instead of purchasing Ä130 tickets etc we are back to square one.
The CB should certainly be more proactive, but itís not quite as simple as some on social media are making out.

People need to calm a little.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 14, 2020, 10:49:26 AM
I accept what you're saying Keyser, but Eddie Brennan's interview was the final straw for me. I have poured thousands into Laois GAA and always had my grievances with the lack of foresight, progression and ambition. No more. If the right people got on board, I would be happy to donate funds as I outlined earlier to all sectors of Laois GAA, without bias, even though I am more football than hurling. I'm just not happy with the way things are being done, and my pocket will be the beneficiary for now until things change. f**k them. They don't own Laois GAA
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 14, 2020, 10:50:17 AM
Just looking at some stuff on Social Media and there are a couple of small things we would need to get realistic about.

Splitting the pot and fundraising separately for hurling and football isnít and canít be an option. I think hurling would probably suffer here.

Contributions to a supporters fund would be welcome. But if people would elect to do this instead of purchasing Ä130 tickets etc we are back to square one.
The CB should certainly be more proactive, but itís not quite as simple as some on social media are making out.

People need to calm a little.

Finally some sense,  I await the Vichy County Board for Laois.  When is the coup d etat  ?  Mad to see some former Laois GAA employees throwing grenades on here .  Its a pity they could not solve the problems when they were in the job.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 14, 2020, 11:03:21 AM
If there are any ex employees on here, it wouldn't be too hard to find them. They run it on a shoestring and pay peanuts from what I've heard. More WUM rhetoric quite possibly from a CB delegate or officer. See, we can all just make up the narrative to suit our story
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 14, 2020, 12:01:16 PM
Now Green&Gold I think itís very obvious from your postings that you are very PRO Laois County Board. You only ever seem to COMMENTATE in blind defense of them.

Despite what I said thereís no point in arguing that LCB are fundraising to the max. Nor that itís as simple as putting your name forward for a position. Ranks close pretty quickly & the ďgameĒ of staying in would be tiresome for most people.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 14, 2020, 12:30:50 PM
Maybe if posters identified the problems and then came up with solutions

We would be a lot further on
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Heshs Umpire on November 14, 2020, 12:52:55 PM
I'm not even going to attempt to get involved in this argument but I would point out that the perception that county board is some form of closed shop isn't exactly accurate. Of the 14 or 15 members of the current executive, one is a permanent member and paid employee (the secretary) and there are 7 or 8 on it who weren't three years ago.
I've no "skin in the game" either. Feck it, they blocked me on twitter a few weeks ago! But just pointing that out.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 14, 2020, 01:06:00 PM
Ah come on Hesh. We all know that the criteria here is to sit politely, nod in the appropriate places and take your free car parking and entry. Do Nothing Delegates and sorry to use a Trumpism. For all the criticism I hear from our pious local media, I honestly feel more enlightened reading this forum and other social media platforms. I can't stand being patronised and that's all I'm hearing from those who have vested interest. I'll say it again. Fair f**king play Eddie Brennan. You confirmed what I suspected for a very long time
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 14, 2020, 01:09:40 PM
 great post.
high fielder could write a book and county board problems, but cant be bothered point out any of the issues here.

eddie brennan the same,  gave out about them, without actually really saying what he unhappy with.

as I said, nonsense....


Maybe if posters identified the problems and then came up with solutions

We would be a lot further on
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 14, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
The issues have been well documented. Some great solutions and ideas have been put forward by clonad, Keyser and one or two other very good posters. Your noise can't detract from that o'hara. Your criticism of Brennan, quite frankly, is embarrassing. The man uses all Ireland medals to pay for his parking. Give up
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 14, 2020, 01:15:14 PM
I think the point regarding Portlaoise is somewhat valid- for Laois to be strong something needs to be done to rectify a situation where one-third of the counties population is facilitated by one club alone who are failing to tap into the majority of young people within the town. The majority of youngsters in Portlaoise play little or no GAA. It's a shambolic situation and one that needs to be looked at quickly.

We should be prioritising getting our underage structures right within the county. We need more competent Gaelic Development coaches and also need more former intercounty players etc. onboard to follow through properly on some very good initiatives that were proposed in the last decade that have scandalously fallen by the wayside or have been implemented half-arsed.

I've posted already but Laois are probably the smallest "proper" duel county in Ireland. To fund this properly is astronomical- for example galway spent 1.8 million on their hurling and football intercounty teams last year. Laois simply don't have this money and never will- (unless we can get JP McManus to adopt us as his second county). What additional money is raised should go getting our underage structures right and ensuring that we have a pool of players coming through year on year who have received the optimum coaching, strength and conditioning and other supports that we can provide them with. Throwing additional money into our senior teams is not the answer if we continue to neglect our underage structures in the manner that we currently do.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Heshs Umpire on November 14, 2020, 01:27:52 PM
Ah come on Hesh. We all know that the criteria here is to sit politely, nod in the appropriate places and take your free car parking and entry. Do Nothing Delegates and sorry to use a Trumpism. For all the criticism I hear from our pious local media, I honestly feel more enlightened reading this forum and other social media platforms. I can't stand being patronised and that's all I'm hearing from those who have vested interest. I'll say it again. Fair f**king play Eddie Brennan. You confirmed what I suspected for a very long time
All I'm saying is 7 or 8 of the county board were not on it three years ago. That's a fact.
And I've no vested interest.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 14, 2020, 01:38:48 PM
I didn't say you had. I'm not interested in your stats, as well intentioned and earnest though they are. Sometimes clowns retire from the circus. And what do they replace them with?

Look this will all die down after the meeting, and life will go on. Even the CB will know they need to do more and will make a few promises to Eddie. Ultimately Eddie can't win here unless he gets the hurlers to do something out of the extraordinary. I'm grateful for his honesty, because it accords with my thinking. Beyond that, he shouldn't have got as personal as he did, and it's up to him to own that. But after that, he knows more than anyone else what he needs to do to do the job properly
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 14, 2020, 02:45:34 PM
Hurling is an issue in Portlaoise definitely and they need to grow participation,,Portlaoise parish needs a full time GDA.

Highlighted in the strategic plan, nothing done about it even though the funding is in place.

Thereís also an issue in the likes of the CBS where more first years this year would play cricket than hurling.


Also as I mentioned in a previous post we have 16 clubs playing u13  hurling and roughly 400 u13 hurlers,how do we grow the numbers to say 500 and then 600 in that cohort every year.

For starters we have 48 clubs which means 32 clubs arenít putting out even an u13 hurling team

We should be looking to get the club numbers from 16 to 22

How do we do this

One solution

Play an u13 league and championship for clubs low on numbers or getting hurling off the ground

Make the numbers as low as 7/8 a side for games to take place and put proper governance and support in place for them to grow


All this then feeds into my 2 visits to the CoE every 3 weeks suggestion for expert support and coaching,no club starting up or their hurlers gets neglected or left behind.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 14, 2020, 05:37:11 PM
so again you refuse to say what the county board are doing wrong.....grand I'll take this a concrete proof your talking nonsense


 >:(quote author=High Fielder link=topic=29598.msg2008420#msg2008420 date=1605359663]
The issues have been well documented. Some great solutions and ideas have been put forward by clonad, Keyser and one or two other very good posters. Your noise can't detract from that o'hara. Your criticism of Brennan, quite frankly, is embarrassing. The man uses all Ireland medals to pay for his parking. Give up
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Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 14, 2020, 08:08:19 PM
yes you really picked my arguement apart there!!!
its not an arguement though, it's an observation...if they dont have leadership and drive to make hurling thrive in out biggest population centre, why would you think they the men for county board ( a bigger job)

Eddie brennan  seemed to imply he wanted club championship run off a a blitz, bar not having 2 physios, he didnt make one coherent point to woolly, just enjoyed giving out for sake of it.  I'd love to see him continue, maybe he should offer to half his fee as contrition for rubbish he spreading.

they weren't questioning his performance as manager was a gripe of his...if they were he be going to woolly, "woolly look at the year we had last year, and the gombeens in county board are challenging me on fitness of team etc"

a five minute rant with no coherent points made...populas rubbish that appeals to people on Facebook and twitter.
Eddie Brennan wanted more funds, but never gave one hint of type of stuff more funds would bring to laois set up  nonsense!!

quote author=portlaoisekid link=topic=29598.msg2008337#msg2008337 date=1605306501]
Cheddar and Rigney, both from the club that have biggest pick by country mile in the county.....and they cant even put the structures and systems in place to get their own club to top level.....but based on nothing only their media presence their the lads we need involved....nonsense. laois need a good portlaoise hurling team and town, cheddar has them playing 2nd tier, get their own house in order before they save the county please


Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
super stuff, the coherence of your argument suggests you would thrive on our county board....

Cheddar and Niall would obviously be awful choices as part of a Laois administration but hell  the lads in there are doing so well , I believe it's a case of it's not broken why fix it ?
Apologies OHara, I should have added I recognise your correct about Portlaoise and our lack of progress with hurling ,god knows I know it inside out.

But I do believe Chedder ,for example,  would be an amazing figure head for Laois GAA..I genuinely believe if given the power and resources to implement his ideas he would make Laois a top hurling and football county or at least be the best we can be  way above where we are now. Itll never happen but the man is a genius in a GAA sense and also a business sense...He is made for the job.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 14, 2020, 08:40:40 PM
so again you refuse to say what the county board are doing wrong.....grand I'll take this a concrete proof your talking nonsense


 >:(quote author=High Fielder link=topic=29598.msg2008420#msg2008420 date=1605359663]
The issues have been well documented. Some great solutions and ideas have been put forward by clonad, Keyser and one or two other very good posters. Your noise can't detract from that o'hara. Your criticism of Brennan, quite frankly, is embarrassing. The man uses all Ireland medals to pay for his parking. Give up
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You're talking nonsense. as in you are talking nonsense. Please stop  ::) Your credibility was shot when you said Brennan was ranting. Results today prove he clearly wasn't.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 14, 2020, 09:14:43 PM
a genius....but his own club which has numbers rest of teams could only dream about, is a shambles at hurling

he was given job to find manager once for laois....cudnt get anyone and just took job himself.

no track record to speak of, has a bit of profile from woolys podcast, but has nice nickname so he must he answer.

on different matter I remember Parkinson boasting how he would get a lift to laois training from red cow, but still claim mileage even though he didnt drive.

grates me then listening to him giving out and mocking county board volunteers when you see type of character he is



yes you really picked my arguement apart there!!!
its not an arguement though, it's an observation...if they dont have leadership and drive to make hurling thrive in out biggest population centre, why would you think they the men for county board ( a bigger job)

Eddie brennan  seemed to imply he wanted club championship run off a a blitz, bar not having 2 physios, he didnt make one coherent point to woolly, just enjoyed giving out for sake of it.  I'd love to see him continue, maybe he should offer to half his fee as contrition for rubbish he spreading.

they weren't questioning his performance as manager was a gripe of his...if they were he be going to woolly, "woolly look at the year we had last year, and the gombeens in county board are challenging me on fitness of team etc"

a five minute rant with no coherent points made...populas rubbish that appeals to people on Facebook and twitter.
Eddie Brennan wanted more funds, but never gave one hint of type of stuff more funds would bring to laois set up  nonsense!!

quote author=portlaoisekid link=topic=29598.msg2008337#msg2008337 date=1605306501]
Cheddar and Rigney, both from the club that have biggest pick by country mile in the county.....and they cant even put the structures and systems in place to get their own club to top level.....but based on nothing only their media presence their the lads we need involved....nonsense. laois need a good portlaoise hurling team and town, cheddar has them playing 2nd tier, get their own house in order before they save the county please


Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
super stuff, the coherence of your argument suggests you would thrive on our county board....

Cheddar and Niall would obviously be awful choices as part of a Laois administration but hell  the lads in there are doing so well , I believe it's a case of it's not broken why fix it ?
Apologies OHara, I should have added I recognise your correct about Portlaoise and our lack of progress with hurling ,god knows I know it inside out.

But I do believe Chedder ,for example,  would be an amazing figure head for Laois GAA..I genuinely believe if given the power and resources to implement his ideas he would make Laois a top hurling and football county or at least be the best we can be  way above where we are now. Itll never happen but the man is a genius in a GAA sense and also a business sense...He is made for the job.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 14, 2020, 09:16:46 PM
list issues with county board please??
or else just move on


so again you refuse to say what the county board are doing wrong.....grand I'll take this a concrete proof your talking nonsense


 >:(quote author=High Fielder link=topic=29598.msg2008420#msg2008420 date=1605359663]
The issues have been well documented. Some great solutions and ideas have been put forward by clonad, Keyser and one or two other very good posters. Your noise can't detract from that o'hara. Your criticism of Brennan, quite frankly, is embarrassing. The man uses all Ireland medals to pay for his parking. Give up

You're talking nonsense. as in you are talking nonsense. Please stop  ::) Your credibility was shot when you said Brennan was ranting. Results today prove he clearly wasn't.
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Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 14, 2020, 09:31:59 PM
I won't be going anywhere ohara. YOU'RE the one who has put a target on YOUR posts by trying to discredit an All Ireland winner. I'd rather not engage with someone who doesn't even know class when he sees it. YOU'RE clearly out of YOUR depth. The majority of people in Laois want Brennan to stay. Even YOUR CB buddies know it.

Apologies to all the genuine hurling people for sabotaging this thread with a childish argument. I've made my feelings known by now, and I hope Brennan gets to stay.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: HURLING1 on November 14, 2020, 09:48:52 PM
No apologies needed HF.
The passion you reflect for GAA in Laois is exactly how most of us feel and E Brennan knows we as a county can do so much better.  With a minute improvement we would have beaten Clare and with Wexford there for the taking today who knows.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 14, 2020, 10:08:17 PM
Todayís Clare result put it in sharp perspective,how close we actually are to becoming a top 6 team

Brennan sees it

The panel sees it

And so do most of the Laois gaa public

My wish for 2021

That Eddie commits and that every player that he deems fit to serve the cause of laois hurling does likewise.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 14, 2020, 10:09:41 PM
I never said I wanted Brennan to leave....sorry if you got confused.

his thing with wooly was disrespectful...he should stay on and give up his "fee" to laois gaa maybe..but yep, seems good manager...again sorry you got confused and spoke nonsense


I won't be going anywhere ohara. YOU'RE the one who has put a target on YOUR posts by trying to discredit an All Ireland winner. I'd rather not engage with someone who doesn't even know class when he sees it. YOU'RE clearly out of YOUR depth. The majority of people in Laois want Brennan to stay. Even YOUR CB buddies know it.

Apologies to all the genuine hurling people for sabotaging this thread with a childish argument. I've made my feelings known by now, and I hope Brennan gets to stay.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 14, 2020, 10:25:00 PM
... and that every player that he deems fit to serve the cause of laois hurling does likewise.

Well that won't happen, anyway. And that, also, is part of the problem.
Mind you - Cheddar had pretty much everyone the time we beat Offaly, hadn't he?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 14, 2020, 10:50:39 PM
a genius....but his own club which has numbers rest of teams could only dream about, is a shambles at hurling

he was given job to find manager once for laois....cudnt get anyone and just took job himself.

no track record to speak of, has a bit of profile from woolys podcast, but has nice nickname so he must he answer.

on different matter I remember Parkinson boasting how he would get a lift to laois training from red cow, but still claim mileage even though he didnt drive.

grates me then listening to him giving out and mocking county board volunteers when you see type of character he is



yes you really picked my arguement apart there!!!
its not an arguement though, it's an observation...if they dont have leadership and drive to make hurling thrive in out biggest population centre, why would you think they the men for county board ( a bigger job)

Eddie brennan  seemed to imply he wanted club championship run off a a blitz, bar not having 2 physios, he didnt make one coherent point to woolly, just enjoyed giving out for sake of it.  I'd love to see him continue, maybe he should offer to half his fee as contrition for rubbish he spreading.

they weren't questioning his performance as manager was a gripe of his...if they were he be going to woolly, "woolly look at the year we had last year, and the gombeens in county board are challenging me on fitness of team etc"

a five minute rant with no coherent points made...populas rubbish that appeals to people on Facebook and twitter.
Eddie Brennan wanted more funds, but never gave one hint of type of stuff more funds would bring to laois set up  nonsense!!

quote author=portlaoisekid link=topic=29598.msg2008337#msg2008337 date=1605306501]
Cheddar and Rigney, both from the club that have biggest pick by country mile in the county.....and they cant even put the structures and systems in place to get their own club to top level.....but based on nothing only their media presence their the lads we need involved....nonsense. laois need a good portlaoise hurling team and town, cheddar has them playing 2nd tier, get their own house in order before they save the county please


Probably a lot less than the current very long list of f**k ups. Obviously the people would need to put themselves forward for selection. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have folk like Cheddar or Rigney having input than some of the officers we have.
super stuff, the coherence of your argument suggests you would thrive on our county board....

Cheddar and Niall would obviously be awful choices as part of a Laois administration but hell  the lads in there are doing so well , I believe it's a case of it's not broken why fix it ?
Apologies OHara, I should have added I recognise your correct about Portlaoise and our lack of progress with hurling ,god knows I know it inside out.

But I do believe Chedder ,for example,  would be an amazing figure head for Laois GAA..I genuinely believe if given the power and resources to implement his ideas he would make Laois a top hurling and football county or at least be the best we can be  way above where we are now. Itll never happen but the man is a genius in a GAA sense and also a business sense...He is made for the job.



I'm not going to even respond to your points re:cheddar..I think anyone with half a hurling brain knows the answer to your  points but for our CB someone might reply and clarify
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 14, 2020, 11:40:32 PM
Todayís Clare result put it in sharp perspective,how close we actually are to becoming a top 6 team

Brennan sees it

The panel sees it

And so do most of the Laois gaa public

My wish for 2021

That Eddie commits and that every player that he deems fit to serve the cause of laois hurling does likewise.

Kilkenny
Limerick
Galway
Cork
Tipperary
Waterford
Dublin
Clare
That leaves us and Wexford possibly we are 8/10 more like 10/10.   How's the Wexford project going,  all going well keep sending more Money.  We are basically where we always are but the delusional want to play out fairy tales.  Fair enough stick money into Minor & U20 get results build on them then start to push it into Senior.  Eddie gets to pontificate but don't doubt the excuses are ready for when the plan doesn't work out. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 15, 2020, 12:11:09 AM
When you see that list you realise how much Laois as a county is over achieving at the moment. Only ourselves and Dublin could be classed as predominantly footballing counties who completing at the elite level in hurling. The remaining 8 would all have bigger populations to us and hurling dominated.

Wexford is a great example tonight of why pumping in an extra couple 100,000 grand is not going to dramatically improve fortunes of county team. The best and only way is to strengthen our senior team  is to prioritise the development of our juveniles. Limerick, Clares and Waterfordís successful teams of the last decade were all backboned by younger players filtering through after being successfully managed, coached and developed from u14 right through to u20/21. The sooner we cop onto this and refocus on getting our setanta programmes etc back up and running correctly with renewed rigour and purpose everything else is immaterial. For the last number of years Carlow have been there or there abouts with us at minor and u21. If we were doing things right this shouldnít be the case.

If I was giving serious money to Laois GAA the last thing I would want to see is for it being thrown into the black hole that is a county senior team-by all means it is important that team is adequately funded and looked after but the real and meaningful investment is to build strong foundations within the county with a coherent and realistic short, medium and long term strategy to improve hurling within the county. As some other poster noted-getting people like Cheddar involved with proper backing and a proper team of Games Development Officers this time around and money ringfenced towards that for the next decade is what is needed.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 15, 2020, 12:26:04 AM
Todayís Clare result put it in sharp perspective,how close we actually are to becoming a top 6 team

Brennan sees it

The panel sees it

And so do most of the Laois gaa public

My wish for 2021

That Eddie commits and that every player that he deems fit to serve the cause of laois hurling does likewise.

Kilkenny
Limerick
Galway
Cork
Tipperary
Waterford
Dublin
Clare
That leaves us and Wexford possibly we are 8/10 more like 10/10.   How's the Wexford project going,  all going well keep sending more Money.  We are basically where we always are but the delusional want to play out fairy tales.  Fair enough stick money into Minor & U20 get results build on them then start to push it into Senior.  Eddie gets to pontificate but don't doubt the excuses are ready for when the plan doesn't work out.

Did you read any of my previous posts with regards to juvenile development?

Every piece of the plan needs to be linked up and that includes the senior set up too

We should have beaten Clare last weekend,thatís the reality

It probably takes the likes of an outsider like Brennan to see the potential.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 15, 2020, 12:33:11 AM
Money does not equal success, and quite frankly, some of you are pointing out the obvious. But if Eddie Brennan is right, and he was told that we couldn't afford two physios on the same evening, then that's just pathetic. I want the lads who go in there to be looked after property at least. Eddie Brennan has never promised X if he got Y, so quite what some of you are discussing is beyond me. He just wants his players to be looked after. That seems to me to be his main concern. Comparing us to the top teams in the country whilst simultaneously referencing finances is going off on a tangent. Start by treating these lads like inter county players and they might take more interest.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 15, 2020, 10:17:57 AM
I think this is exactly the point he was making. He tried to make this point at one stage during the interview but Parkinson decided that they were ďseparate issuesĒ. In fact they are not. If you donít look after players properly, youíre less likely to get them to commit. It doesnít sound to me like a huge extra step to make - a few more physios, better video analysis and the like. Iíd imagine there are clubs in Dublin with this kind of support.

The specific suggestions on youth development that Clonad put forward attracted no comment for some reason but those suggestions are no less important (and no less feasible) than looking after the senior team properly.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 15, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
100% agree Giovanni. In fairness to clonad, Keyser and one or two others, they regularly contribute with specific plans and ideas. We're probably in fire fighting mode at the moment though. We have this managerial issue to look after, and then we need to get our players what they need, if that's as big an issue as Brennan intimated
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 15, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Green&Gold
A specific question for you (and I believe you are in a position to answer truthfully should you chose to do so).

You rightly point out that the CB canít go pumping excess funds into the senior set up (and you hint into the senior managers pocket) willy nilly to the detriment of other teams & facilities.
Thatís fair.

BUT
From 2013-16 Cheddar certainly wasnít lining his pocket. In fact the exact opposite. Yet he was constantly having to work around issues and obstacles put in front of him by the CB.
His final move was to present a plan to improve Laois hurling at underage level into the future. This was flatly rejected.
This wasnít that black hole you speak of. It was ground up/linked up stuff.

We are basically where we always are
....Iíd wonder is that where certain elements of the CB (past & present) would prefer we remain?

but the delusional want to play out fairy tales.
....No, some people (definitely including Cheddar and most likely including Eddie) would like to make a genuine attempt to change that. You pass this way once, you may as well try to leave your mark etc etc.

I feel I have taken a reasonable stance on this entire matter, but your message is clear in my opinion, ďpipe down hurling fraternityĒ.
Worryingly I fear you may be in a position of influence that is only likely to increase over the coming years. This is blatant propaganda stuff. EB is ultimately responsible for what happened on the radio show (my opinion). This sort of stuff shouldnít be needed on the side of the ďwronged partyĒ.
God help us all.



Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 15, 2020, 12:06:29 PM
I think if there was any doubt that the above poster should be ignored/regarded as a WUM...that doubt is well & truly gone.
Poor effort really, not very convincing or believable.
B minus.
Must try harder.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 15, 2020, 12:08:06 PM
It's true that many were clamouring for Cheddar to go around that time, but to call him a 'fake prophet' is unfair. He - along with Critchley - was involved from underage when we HAD good underage set-ups, and a progressive underage plan. I didn't see his plan that was rejected, but I'd imagine a fair component was about bringing on underage structures.
I suppose at the moment we have the nucleus of a really good team who believe in the management, and hurling people don't want to see this squandered. Of course, the ones who don't give a damn about hurling, would quite happily see another generation wilt. I'd guess O'Hara is one of these.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 15, 2020, 01:11:21 PM
Was Cheddar out of pocket ? or is that just a perception.  Of course there is mistakes at County Board level, Clonad has said why not have a GPO for Portlaoise Parish. Which Code, Club does the GPO serve ?  Has any Club in Laois made moves to appoint their own GPO,  there is 50% funding available.  County Senior Teams while they do have to be funded are in most instances a waste of money ( My own opinion) the only people who benefit are the "professional setup".  In 2019 we spent 813,000 on Inter County Teams that's well up the table on Inter County Spending.  I would think there is a certain naivety on the part of County Managers as to what is available money wise.

You can see the argument here if extra money becomes available both Hurling & Football want it.  Senior Managers want it but in all reality the best return on Investment is at Underage but you are unlikely to see the results any time soon.  It also requires consistent investment and strategy.  In my view Cheddar should never appointed himself Laois Manager and should have moved into administration but again that's the dirty work for little or no praise.  But it is where progress can be made,  We would all like the glamour of Eddie Brennan's job but how much can he achieve ?   Progress is slow and time consuming and in reality how far Laois can rise is open to question.

If you look at our spend on Inter County Teams, we would be high mid-table (very much in line with our population size)  the fact we are a dual county is very much against us.  But alot of Counties and Clubs are spending unsustainably and do face problems in the long term. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 15, 2020, 01:47:16 PM
Nice skirting around the issues.
Not too many have suggested a blank cheque for the senior set up (I certainly havenít).

Back to your post.

1) Was Cheddarís back room team funded by the CB in itís entirety?
2) Was Cheddar paid the going rate for his time and involvement (compared to Kelly, Brennan, Creedon, Quirke etc)
3) Was a plan he presented to restructure our approach to juvenile coaching rejected by the CB?
4) The glamour you speak of, hinting that CP and EB went for the limelight. Are you for real? Are you at all familiar with the results, atmosphere, position and perception of the Laois senior hurlers prior to the appointment of both?
5) The attitude of ďwe are doing ok for our sizeĒ and ďwe are spending roughly the same as similar sized countiesĒ is basically what everybody has been calling out. Itís defeatist, short sighted and lacking in ambition. Throwing money is not the answer. Striving to improve is. There is no silver bullet , but lying around the fence of the COE, assembling in the tunnel of OMP, clapping each other on the back, and generally sneering at all and anybody from outside who has an idea or ďgets above his stationĒ certainly wonít achieve much. You seem desperate for us to remain as we are. So do several CB officials. Recklessness, no. Ambition, yes.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 15, 2020, 01:57:16 PM
why would county board....accept plan plan from unelected cheddar in relation to juveniles...when his own clubs juvenile hurling structure are farce????

listen to yourself like, cheddar because he friends with wooly etc, must have all the answers :)

They certainly shouldnít have to . You are correct. Especially when they already have an excellent plan...oh wait..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 15, 2020, 02:11:55 PM
...coaching is club thing, not county...

Wow.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 15, 2020, 02:16:00 PM
As far as I know Cheddar is not owed any money by the County Board.  I presume at times he put his hand in his own pocket for spending not agreed to by the County Board.  But I don't think in the finish up Cheddar was owed any money.  Eddie Brennan is well looked after in relation to any Laois Manager bar Micko. 

It's not defeatist to run a County within Budget allowing for improvements in Infrastructure development & County Teams.  Of course the County can improve Hurling but it takes time and effort.  Cheddar is welcome back anytime to volunteer his time like any other CB member.  What people seem to want here is to run unsustainable deficits to possibly get some improvements in Hurling.

 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 15, 2020, 02:47:02 PM
Nice skirting around the issues.
Not too many have suggested a blank cheque for the senior set up (I certainly havenít).

Back to your post.

1) Was Cheddarís back room team funded by the CB in itís entirety?
2) Was Cheddar paid the going rate for his time and involvement (compared to Kelly, Brennan, Creedon, Quirke etc)
3) Was a plan he presented to restructure our approach to juvenile coaching rejected by the CB?
4) The glamour you speak of, hinting that CP and EB went for the limelight. Are you for real? Are you at all familiar with the results, atmosphere, position and perception of the Laois senior hurlers prior to the appointment of both?
5) The attitude of ďwe are doing ok for our sizeĒ and ďwe are spending roughly the same as similar sized countiesĒ is basically what everybody has been calling out. Itís defeatist, short sighted and lacking in ambition. Throwing money is not the answer. Striving to improve is. There is no silver bullet , but lying around the fence of the COE, assembling in the tunnel of OMP, clapping each other on the back, and generally sneering at all and anybody from outside who has an idea or ďgets above his stationĒ certainly wonít achieve much. You seem desperate for us to remain as we are. So do several CB officials. Recklessness, no. Ambition, yes.

To all the above questions has Cheddar ever said that he was messed about by the Laois County Board ?  He may not have been happy that everything he wanted he did not get.  But he won the vast majority of his arguments with the County Board. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 15, 2020, 03:22:12 PM


In my view Cheddar should never appointed himself Laois Manager and should have moved into administration but again that's the dirty work for little or no praise.  But it is where progress can be made,  We would all like the glamour of Eddie Brennan's job

Was Cheddar out of pocket ? or is that just a perception.

As far as I know Cheddar is not owed any money by the County Board.  I presume at times he put his hand in his own pocket for spending not agreed to by the County Board.  But I don't think in the finish up Cheddar was owed any money.

Stop spinning.
I never said he was owed money.
I said he funded part of the back room team himself.
He appointed himself? I doubt it. He tried to find a manager (after a series of CB appointments that brought us to arguably our lowest ebb ever. He did this at a time when the then CB Chairman public ally stated that we should drop to Christy Ring.

Eddie Brennan is well looked after in relation to any Laois Manager bar Micko. 
Not the question I asked. Deliberate subterfuge I asked was Cheddar paid at the same going rate as other managers we have had? (I included Eddie Brennan in that list of others).

You seem to be very in the know regarding pay, arrangements, who is/was paid what. You also seem very determined to spin a particular point of view. I donít think it takes a genius to link the two.

What people seem to want here is to run unsustainable deficits to possibly get some improvements in Hurling.

What people seem to want (as far as I can see) is some evidence that there is some sort of plan to improve and some sort of direction to ensure we have do things as well as we can at juvenile level. There is very very little evidence of this.
You can manage facilities and budgets and infrastructural projects. This seems to have been very well done over the past 10 years or so by the CB. Fair play.
But you lead people based systems. Maintaining the status quo, being happy with your lot and showing an absolute lack of drive to make progress is not leading.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 15, 2020, 07:56:27 PM
As far as I know Cheddar is not owed any money by the County Board.  I presume at times he put his hand in his own pocket for spending not agreed to by the County Board.  But I don't think in the finish up Cheddar was owed any money.  Eddie Brennan is well looked after in relation to any Laois Manager bar Micko. 

It's not defeatist to run a County within Budget allowing for improvements in Infrastructure development & County Teams. Of course the County can improve Hurling but it takes time and effort.  Cheddar is welcome back anytime to volunteer his time like any other CB member.  What people seem to want here is to run unsustainable deficits to possibly get some improvements in Hurling.

Is 104 f**king years not long enough? When do you guys think we'll be competitive? 2050, 2080, 2115?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 15, 2020, 08:23:50 PM
When you can put a couple of good competitive U17/U20 teams out, but if you think Eddie can kick on fair play.  More likely it goes in the what if category which has been going on for most of the last 104 years.


Canít wait to see what the next Messiah does, We are some county to worship at the feet of false prophets.  No substitute for patience and hard work which we seldom want or like in Laois.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 15, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
When you can put a couple of good competitive U17/U20 teams out, but if you think Eddie can kick on fair play.  More likely it goes in the what if category which has been going on for most of the last 104 years.

Canít wait to see what the next Messiah does, We are some county to worship at the feet of false prophets.  No substitute for patience and hard work which we seldom want or like in Laois.

Antrim contested an U21 final in 2013 and where are they now?
Clare won three U21 finals 2012-2014 and we came within a whisker of beating them last week.
Past success at underage does not guarantee you a top senior side, it can help - but it's not the silver bullet.

As for Messiah's, i.e. Cheddar and Eddie Brennan - it's no co-incidence that we've had some of our sweetest wins with them at the helm.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 15, 2020, 08:53:57 PM
When you can put a couple of good competitive U17/U20 teams out, but if you think Eddie can kick on fair play.  More likely it goes in the what if category which has been going on for most of the last 104 years.

Canít wait to see what the next Messiah does, We are some county to worship at the feet of false prophets.  No substitute for patience and hard work which we seldom want or like in Laois.

Antrim contested an U21 final in 2013 and where are they now?
Clare won three U21 finals 2012-2014 and we came within a whisker of beating them last week.
Past success at underage does not guarantee you a top senior side, it can help - but it's not the silver bullet.

As for Messiah's, i.e. Cheddar and Eddie Brennan - it's no co-incidence that we've had some of our sweetest wins with them at the helm.

I don't know the composition of the current Antrim senior side, but I bet they win the Joe McDonagh, and they'll most certainly be snapping at our heels in Division 1 next year. If we're back in disarray, they'll fancy a bite, too!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 15, 2020, 09:06:08 PM
When you can put a couple of good competitive U17/U20 teams out, but if you think Eddie can kick on fair play.  More likely it goes in the what if category which has been going on for most of the last 104 years.


Canít wait to see what the next Messiah does, We are some county to worship at the feet of false prophets.  No substitute for patience and hard work which we seldom want or like in Laois.

I think everybody, including Stevie Wonder, Jungle Joe & Jack Duckworth realise that underage-u17/20 is where we need to ultimately improve. Well spotted.
The problem is there is no plan of any sort for how to become competitive at u17/20. Itís Hail Mary stuff. Thatís not EBís job. Itís the County Boards.

There is no messiah.
But the CB have turned down one detailed plan to make the county competitive at underage, allowed another to filter out and failed to come up with any respectable one of their own.
So what role do you guys want?
Coming up with the plan?
Implementing the plan?
Resourcing the plan?
Or is it just to continue asking ďwhat plan?Ē. Ticking boxes and filling roles is not leading. Iím sure itís very time consuming etc. Yet the average length of time a CB officer spends on the executive is? You seem to have all the facts & figures).

Hard to credit you think you have any credibility after your utterings of the last few days here. If youíre at this weekís meeting please keep your mouth shut. If youíre not, no doubt it wonít be long before you are back in there if you keep coming out to bat like this.
Good work Comrade.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 15, 2020, 09:24:20 PM

Canít wait to see what the next Messiah does, We are some county to worship at the feet of false prophets.  No substitute for patience and hard work which we seldom want or like in Laois.

I think youíve hit the nail on the head here. It is about hard work. Cheddar was putting in the work. Eddie Brennan is putting in the work. The players are putting in the work. The missing link seems to be the hard work of the county board, especially when it comes to the more difficult tasks like raising funds or building the kind of structures that Clonad was talking about.

I had some sympathy for the county board in this whole affair before I got a sense of their attitude through your posts.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 15, 2020, 09:28:12 PM

I had some sympathy for the county board in this whole affair before I got a sense of their attitude through your posts.

Plus 1.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 15, 2020, 10:53:49 PM
Nice to see the CB making their point through a couple of accounts on here , taking on genuine Laois supporters with absolute garbage arguments. I hope in their thoughts they  remember Laois supporters are no fools and wont be taken as such. Our CB may think this forum is full of anonymous crankpots but from what I've seen and heard the Laois support in general is behind what Brennan  said . There is only one winner in the CB vs manager argument.The thing is this is not about Eddie Brennan,  its about his argument and as Laois supporters we are sick of genuine Laois managers making this argument.

It seems like a defining moment for Laois hurling , lets see how the CB play it out this week.

..one last point , one Cb poster on here has a serious issue with Portlaoise ..yes Portlaoise have their issues with hurling but the CB rep in question really needs to chill the hell out as the argument is deflecting from the actual conversation.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 15, 2020, 11:43:59 PM
they were offered a plan, by a lad whose own club are a farce...how could you take it seriously...c'mon man.

unfortunately laois have fair smaller pick than kilkenny, limerick, cork, tipp, Dublin, waterford, galway. very hard compete purely on number basis. we do well ish at both codes considering our pick...this thing of bashing the county board childish and nonsense...name me a "good"county board, and ill show you a county with tradition or resources...the majority of laois people dont care about hurling...

Why do you deliberately make a balls of the quote code? Leave it be.

With regards to the highlighted sentence above - c'mon man, grow up.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 15, 2020, 11:46:20 PM
[I had some sympathy for the county board in this whole affair before I got a sense of their attitude through your posts.

This is the exact issue with many on the CB, Eddie Brennan will face a "how dare you" Gretta atmosphere on Tuesday night, don't be surprised if he feels he has no other option but to walk.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 15, 2020, 11:50:34 PM
graigue to port and everywhere east of Portlaoiae including the town of portlaoise dont really care about laois hurling.. this is the majority of the county....sorry if this fact offends.

Eddie cares about eddie...best interests of laois hurling aren't really his concern.  good manger hopefully we keep him, outside managers who come with a "fee"in general dont care about best interests of county (this is obvious)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 15, 2020, 11:54:18 PM
give me specific examples of stuff county board doing wrong??

give me examples of progressive county boards, we should emulate?
complaining is easy
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: town1980 on November 16, 2020, 12:02:05 AM
Eddie cares about Eddie ,Mike cares about Mike, Eddieís from kk mikes from Kerry how in the hell do they care about Laois if yee think they do cop onto yourselves ffs
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 16, 2020, 12:06:55 AM
Well, as you know, both have some connection to the place. It's unfair to portray them as out and out mercenaries.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: town1980 on November 16, 2020, 12:08:38 AM
Ok Iím wrong they love Laois and all the people in it Eddie called it as it is I will too
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 16, 2020, 12:33:29 AM
I didn't say that either. No need to be a tool.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 16, 2020, 09:12:42 AM

Eddie cares about eddie...best interests of laois hurling aren't really his concern.  good manger hopefully we keep him, outside managers who come with a "fee"in general dont care about best interests of county (this is obvious)

I suppose there's not much point in this post but, in truth, nothing could be further from being obvious. Almost all management theory and practice shows that external people are often good for the operation. That's why top people from large companies are regularly poached and put into senior positions in competitor firms. The board of Miscrosoft are not going to look at someone from Paypal and say, "He's from Paypal. What the hell does he care about Microsoft"? Liverpool don't seem to be harmed by the fact that Klopp is a German. Ireland didn't seem seem to be harmed by Joe Schmidt or Jack Charlton. The idea that you can only be invested in the job if you're from the area, is a faulty one I would say
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 16, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
Outside managers like Eddie Brennan or Mike Quirke with ambition to manage higher up the food chain in years to come are going to give total commitment to current job as they need to show their capabilities now or they wont be considered for other jobs in the future- which ultimately benefits Laois for the period they stay with them.

In order to compete at senior intercounty level you need a core group of players to be together for minimum of three years totally dedicated to upping their physicality and skill set. That's the sort of buy in required nowadays to get to the level where you can complete properly with the Wexfords, Dublin or Kilkenny in Leinster championship hurling. Unfortunately, the last number of years we have seen a revolving door with a number of hurlers coming in and out of the squad. Ultimately, you cannot make real progress in this situation- where players do return, realistically they cannot reach the requisite peak condition in six months or so to seriously challenge.

For that reason I would like to see Eddie continue on but only if he can commit to another two years. Continue with the squad of players that have been committed since he came in and are truly willing to maximise their efforts to complete in a Leinster championship with the likes of Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin next year with the longer term aim of being in a position to have a right crack at teams come the 2022 Leinster championship (providing we avoid relegation in 2021).     
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 16, 2020, 02:26:45 PM
This would be the smart way to approach it.

They should be using the moral high ground to extract a longer term commitment from him rather than looking to get rid of him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2020, 02:48:26 PM

Eddie cares about eddie...best interests of laois hurling aren't really his concern.  good manger hopefully we keep him, outside managers who come with a "fee"in general dont care about best interests of county (this is obvious)

I suppose there's not much point in this post but, in truth, nothing could be further from being obvious. Almost all management theory and practice shows that external people are often good for the operation. That's why top people from large companies are regularly poached and put into senior positions in competitor firms. The board of Miscrosoft are not going to look at someone from Paypal and say, "He's from Paypal. What the hell does he care about Microsoft"? Liverpool don't seem to be harmed by the fact that Klopp is a German. Ireland didn't seem seem to be harmed by Joe Schmidt or Jack Charlton. The idea that you can only be invested in the job if you're from the area, is a faulty one I would say

Agree. Laois hurling needs an outsider who can bring local talent with him to get Laois playing at the top table.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laoisred on November 16, 2020, 03:19:37 PM
Some good points made by Gio & LR there. It is hard to know what way that meeting will go. If it is a review (looking beyond the podcast interview) then EB needs to be challenged on 1) his continuous media & social media engagement (which in many respects has caught up with him), 2) performance of the team in championship, (awful v Dublin in both halves, played for one half v Clare when a weakened Clare were down to 14 men) 3) why certain players will not commit to a Laois Hurling Team under him 4) combined plan to improve things in 2021. If its just about the interview and the content, then it is a missed opportunity.

I hope EB is retained because he has helped improve things - Joe McDonagh performances were much better last year and league form in 2020 was an improvement on 2019. The team has an identity and shows some really good qualities. But he needs to be challenged too to help drive the standards that will help build momentum from the senior team down.

There will be more scrutiny on the meeting (and the statements thereafter) because of the podcast interview. To be honest I'm not sure there would have even been a review if it weren't for that. My gut is telling me that he won't be Manager much longer and both he and Corcoran will have plenty of suitors.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 16, 2020, 03:26:26 PM
Here is the job spec for next senior hurling manager:

- Doesn't stir the pot or throw the county board under the bus or highlight it's ineptness
- Doesn't cost much
- Has enough of a profile that the county board said they got their man but not so much as that he can't be sacrificed when things go wrong
- Ability to bring the county forward - optional

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Joeythelips on November 16, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
Im not really a hurling man but I do follow the country team as best I can, down the years with Laois its usually we have a few decent players and an average set up with several good players not committing to the cause for whatever reason. Laois would put it up to certain teams but once they stepped up to play a top tier side they would get bet out of the gate.

It is not easy getting a decent manager for a county team like ours and we have had plenty of journey men who have been a shambles with the 10-20 conceded to Cork 9 years ago a stand out moment. Cheddar was even tasked with seeking a manger and had to take the job himself, I was at the Galway game i what was. a huge improvement in terms of standard from Laois. But Laois could not push on and it seemed like they might fall back to the doldrums and Eddie Brennan could have been yet another journey man manager.

From an outsider looking in it was clear that Brennan was the real deal, again there was talk of some layers who were not on board, but this was ignored by management who were just interested in players committing and preparing a team to compete which they did, not only did they win the Joe McD cup they then went on to beat a highly fancied Dublin team and even gave eventual AI champions a run for their money until they were reduced to 14 men. After such a hugely successful year you would imagine it would have the 'Micko' effect of everyone pulling together to make sure the players have the best possible opportunity of competing at the highest level. Yet we heard players would not be available this year and wondered would this be another fall from grace, the Dubs put us to the sword but the lads bounced back and really gave it everything against Clare. For me it shows that Brennan has the potential to be a top manager and I would not be surprised to see hm manage the Cats in future.

Laois really need to do all they can to keep him in charge and address any areas he feels we are lacking or we will look back on this period as an opportunity missed. I get that people are upset over his comments but it was meant to off the record and a bit of a joke that it got released, Parkinson should be ashamed of himself if it was indeed a genuine mistake. Im sure worse things have been said about county boards up and down the country off the record.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 16, 2020, 07:07:11 PM
Here is the job spec for next senior hurling manager:

- Doesn't stir the pot or throw the county board under the bus or highlight it's ineptness
- Doesn't cost much
- Has enough of a profile that the county board said they got their man but not so much as that he can't be sacrificed when things go wrong
- Ability to bring the county forward - optional

100% box ticking exercise
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 16, 2020, 08:23:57 PM
To be fair to the country board, I think they've generally done a good job in selecting hurling managers. Cheddar's appointment was clever (even if it kinda happened by accident) and Eddie Brennan's appointment was inspired. There is always an element of luck in every recruitment effort (especially for the small fish) but here I think they've done pretty well in both codes but especially hurling, at least in recent years. It would be a real shame to undo those good decisions now.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: on the hop on November 16, 2020, 11:10:58 PM
Enjoyed rickie cashinís interview on laois people. If his comments about secondary school hurling participation in certain schools is true, things wonít improve
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The PRO on November 17, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
To be fair to the country board, I think they've generally done a good job in selecting hurling managers.
Jeepers, I'm no "bash the county board" merchant but we've had some terrible managers too. Teddy McCarthy, Peter Creedon, O Fatharta, Eamonn Kelly.
Different boards of course.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 17, 2020, 09:31:08 AM
Enjoyed rickie cashinís interview on laois people. If his comments about secondary school hurling participation in certain schools is true, things wonít improve

Thereís more lads available to play cricket in the CBS in first year this year than there is to play hurling

But itís even too late at second level.

The work needs to be put in at national school level by the teachers,the clubs and the parents and it isnít
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 17, 2020, 10:08:56 AM
Let's hope common sense prevails whenever this meeting takes place. Eddie needs to apologise and the CB need to see what's good for the hurlers. Any deviation from that, on either side, and it's game over. Assuming this all ends peacefully, Eddie and Mike Quirke need to sit down with the CB and spell out exactly what they want. If that goes past the point at which the CB are able to fund it, then the CB need to say this to the Laois public, and see if there is a willingness to put hands in pockets
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 17, 2020, 11:12:55 AM
Thanks for the heads up on the Laois People podcast with Cashin. A good keeper in his day.

Here is it for anyone interested in listening to it.


https://soundcloud.com/user-404374947/laois-hurling-special-with (https://soundcloud.com/user-404374947/laois-hurling-special-with)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 17, 2020, 12:15:05 PM
To be fair to the country board, I think they've generally done a good job in selecting hurling managers.
Jeepers, I'm no "bash the county board" merchant but we've had some terrible managers too. Teddy McCarthy, Peter Creedon, O Fatharta, Eamonn Kelly.
Different boards of course.

This is for sure! But I think you are always guaranteed a fair sprinkling of duds, especially when you are one of the smaller fish. I think they have done pretty well in this context. But it's even more the reason to make sure that when you do find the right person, you have to work to hold on to him. There really aren't too many of his calibre around so the chances of striking it lucky a second time are fairly limited.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 17, 2020, 01:17:43 PM
To be fair to the country board, I think they've generally done a good job in selecting hurling managers. Cheddar's appointment was clever (even if it kinda happened by accident) and Eddie Brennan's appointment was inspired. There is always an element of luck in every recruitment effort (especially for the small fish) but here I think they've done pretty well in both codes but especially hurling, at least in recent years. It would be a real shame to undo those good decisions now.

The county board have tended to appoint panels to appoint senior team managers. Cheddar appointed Cheddar. He was asked (by the county board in fairness) to find a manager. Other managers have been appointed by panels also. I'd say the county board regret this method as it means that the best person will usually get the job if appointed by good hurling people. It avoids yes-men.

Anyway I do hope that Eddie is retained. No harm to go into next year with the county board under pressure and the best possible manager on board.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 17, 2020, 01:24:30 PM
Simple task for the county board really- get the feedback of the senior players on the county panel. If they feel that they are making progress under Eddie and want him to stay on for next year then that is what should happen. Ultimately, its about finding a manager that the players are happy with. IMO we have that in Eddie- accept his apology-he never meant for his words to reach the public domain and put Laois hurling first. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 18, 2020, 10:43:03 PM
Early reports that the meeting went fairly positively?
Green&Gold didnít make it to show Eddie whoís who & whatís what obviously!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 19, 2020, 12:18:11 AM
No eagerly awaiting next year's Leinster Championship,  Hurling fraternity have to be kept happy.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 19, 2020, 08:01:15 AM
Early reports that the meeting went fairly positively?
Green&Gold didnít make it to show Eddie whoís who & whatís what obviously!

If so, kudos to the county board and, in particular, to those people who had a right to be most offended.

I hope the general public will support them now in trying to get to the next level.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 19, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
As long as they have the interests of our players at the top of their agenda, then there should never be an issue. That clearly hasn't been the case up to now. The boys love the bit of power. They need to be more 2020. People don't tolerate bullshit any more
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 19, 2020, 11:27:25 AM
Lets hope it's all worked out and Eddie stay's on. Also, a greater effort put into Primary schools to get young lads playing hurling in the likes of Portlaoise, Mountmellick and Mountrath where there isn't enough being done. We need kids playing in these urban centres.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 19, 2020, 12:29:33 PM
No eagerly awaiting next year's Leinster Championship,  Hurling fraternity have to be kept happy.

Good man. Divide & conquer. At least there is some strategic thought I suppose!
The football semi final draws that have taken two months to organise are coming up. There was never any explanation for that.
I assume it will be a Champions League style affair after all that. Is the lorry trailer still parked in the COE? A few balloons, Bosco might throw on a few cocktail sausages, Killeshin Pipe Band, special guests Tommy Tynan, Jungle Joe, Hughie Emerson & Micko.
A little look back at a few classicly performed draws from previous years?
There has been some great chalice work and ball handling over the years. Worth a montage really.
Presume itís being live streamed?
Looking forward to it. Two months hard work gone into it. As Damien Carter would say, Kudos!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: ohara on November 19, 2020, 12:35:12 PM
great stuff!!


No eagerly awaiting next year's Leinster Championship,  Hurling fraternity have to be kept happy.

Good man. Divide & conquer. At least there is some strategic thought I suppose!
The football semi final draws that have taken two months to organise are coming up. There was never any explanation for that.
I assume it will be a Champions League style affair after all that. Is the lorry trailer still parked in the COE? A few balloons, Bosco might throw on a few cocktail sausages, Killeshin Pipe Band, special guests Tommy Tynan, Jungle Joe, Hughie Emerson & Micko.
A little look back at a few classicly performed draws from previous years?
There has been some great chalice work and ball handling over the years. Worth a montage really.
Presume itís being live streamed?
Looking forward to it. Two months hard work gone into it. As Damien Carter would say, Kudos!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 20, 2020, 12:10:37 AM
No eagerly awaiting next year's Leinster Championship,  Hurling fraternity have to be kept happy.

Toxic.

Early reports that the meeting went fairly positively?

Thats good to hear, I presume a motion to ratify EB for another term (or two) didn't happen yet, but should be very soon considering we're not far off the end of the year...?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 20, 2020, 10:52:18 AM
Agree GAA. I would like to see this happen quickly now and get started on the preparation work for next season. I think the result (granted still a loss) against Clare has shown the players that they are on the right track and surely there must be enthusiasm within the camp that they can make even greater inroads next year, especially with a guaranteed five games to look forward to (all going well) in the Leinster championship.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 20, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
Lets hope it's all worked out and Eddie stay's on. Also, a greater effort put into Primary schools to get young lads playing hurling in the likes of Portlaoise, Mountmellick and Mountrath where there isn't enough being done. We need kids playing in these urban centres.

in fairness to Mountrath,they have invested hugely in the last few years with the likes of a ball wall,astro,walking track,floodlights,pitch etc completed

They also seem to have their act together at juvenile as well.

Fair play to them for turning out players for Trumera as well

the likes of Mountmellick and clonaslee in particular have let hurling die at juvenile level these past few years
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Joeythelips on November 22, 2020, 12:08:44 AM
After watching Clare v Waterford today and given how close Laois pushed Clare it should be clear that Eddie Brennen can get the best out of Laois if given the chance, hopefully he is retained and given whatever support he needs and we can get every good hurler in Laois committing to the cause to see how far we can go.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 22, 2020, 10:39:41 AM
I think perhaps the way the last number of months have gone, there may well be a higher percentage of those asked in next year willing to commit?
Iíd say several fellas are going to be fairly sick of sitting around playing with their soldiers by January? The only thing is, and maybe he needs to adjust a little to us on this one, I do believe there is little chance of being asked a second or third time if you donít jump the first time.
Hopefully a full deck to pick from. Thereís room for evolution in the game plan and with a strengthened panel where we could add 3-4 ďfinishersĒ to take over with 10-15 mins to go Iíd be reasonably excited.
We should be aiming high, why not, but ultimately maintaining our current competitiveness over a few years could also be regarded as progress. As long as the work is being done below at 13s, 15s, 17s and 20s.
And particularly that we make some effort to do something with the transition group when they leave 17s. I wonder would someone like Pat Critchely be interested in such a gig? Has the contacts, reputation and strength of character to do a good job in what would be a very part time role. Seems to enjoy focusing on player development and systems of play (should be aligned to our senior & u20 teams). Just a thought.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 22, 2020, 11:13:46 AM
Seriously Delusional
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 22, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
Seriously Delusional

Would you like to elaborate?
Delusional about what?
The part where the current game plan (proven to be effective on at least 3 occasions against top teams) can be tweaked to ensure we try to remain as competitive as we currently are?
Or more likely, the part where there is some progressive thinking and actual efforts made at CB level to ensure our structures at 13-20 are as strong as they could be?

Do elaborate?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The Boy Wonder on November 22, 2020, 11:53:34 AM
Seriously Delusional

Maybe you should think twice before posting unless you have something constructive to contribute - can be constructive criticism of course.
This type of forum is intended for genuine fans who want want to discuss the fortunes of Laois teams - past performances and future aspirations.
I don't know what satisfaction anyone can get by coming on here purely as a knocker.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 22, 2020, 02:11:42 PM
Iíd say he fancies himself as a WUM and is chuckling away thinking he is getting a reaction. I donít think he started off with that intention.
Unfortunately Iíd be reasonably confident he came here (probably off his own bat) to stir an agenda.
Iíd fear that he is (or was until recently) in an executive role, and will be there again. I hope Iím wrong on that front.
But divide & conquer to preserve the status quo and have an easy life would seem to be the strategy. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 02:26:34 PM
Is Eddie still manager?

Did he get another contract?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 24, 2020, 12:12:04 PM
Eddie and the team gone today according to Laois gaa facebook page. f**k that!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on November 24, 2020, 12:17:33 PM
Now the danger is that all the progress made will go to waste. Players might not be as willing to commit to the cause next year without Brennan at the fore. Sad day for Laois hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 24, 2020, 12:37:04 PM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 24, 2020, 12:37:26 PM
Statement out

Brennan and management team gone

One step Forward

5 back
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: LOVEGAA on November 24, 2020, 12:37:39 PM
Eddie and the team gone today according to Laois gaa facebook page. f**k that!


Well done County Board.  Handled wonderfully

Feel so sorry for the lads who committed themselves during the tough times and now just when they see a bit of hope this happens
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 24, 2020, 12:45:33 PM
I think we were hoping against hope that the off the record stuff would be ironed out and they'd soldier on. Players will be the most disappointed i'd say. Seemed to be a great bond there.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 24, 2020, 12:47:58 PM
A monumental day for Laois hurling, an absolute hammer blow...Not necessarily because Brennan is gone but the fact no manager with an ambition to improve Laois hurling will get the tools from our CB  to succeed. I guarantee no manager with any pedigree will touch this job as they are in no doubt what's in store if they have actual ambition...

I genuinely fear for the future of Laois hurling and in reality that I don't think our CB will be overly worried about Laois hurling falling off a cliff.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 24, 2020, 12:56:43 PM
A monumental day for Laois hurling, an absolute hammer blow...Not necessarily because Brennan is gone but the fact no manager with an ambition to improve Laois hurling will get the tools from our CB  to succeed. I guarantee no manager with any pedigree will touch this job as they are in no doubt what's in store if they have actual ambition...

I genuinely fear for the future of Laois hurling and in reality that I don't think our CB will be overly worried about Laois hurling falling off a cliff.

Sad day indeed. The best hurling I have ever seen from Laois came under Brennan. I hope the next manager is of the same calibre.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 24, 2020, 01:04:09 PM
Just learning of this now.

Laois GAA can go fook off if they think a Ä130 CB Ticket is going to be sold in to this house next February.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on November 24, 2020, 01:11:31 PM
Disappointing to see the management team stepping down,

I do think all the talk of massive progress is a bit exaggerated.
Still huge work to be done on all our structures & coaching.

I also think Eddie was always going to go at the end of this year, to look after his reputation & future prospects, he was feathering the nest putting out the anti county board vibe for a long time this year. 

The interview delayed this decision, now he walks away a hero & laois county board, players & hurling being left in a bomb site yet again,
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 24, 2020, 01:36:08 PM
Just learning of this now.

Laois GAA can go fook off if they think a Ä130 CB Ticket is going to be sold in to this house next February.

Unfortunately that's sort of counter-productive, both from your own club's viewpoint, and from the viewpoint of getting funding for county teams.
I think Ogie's analysis is better. Brennan was not God himself. Sure, he had the players going well for him, but in terms of thoroughness, I'd say Cheddar may have been better. Maye it is all about climbing the ladder w/ Brennan? We'll see what his next move is. I suppose Dublin will want him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 24, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
Disappointing to see the management team stepping down,

I do think all the talk of massive progress is a bit exaggerated.
Still huge work to be done on all our structures & coaching.

I also think Eddie was always going to go at the end of this year, to look after his reputation & future prospects, he was feathering the nest putting out the anti county board vibe for a long time this year. 

The interview delayed this decision, now he walks away a hero & laois county board, players & hurling being left in a bomb site yet again,

Under previous managements we were always putting in a good game every three or four years running a big team close. Under Brennan, we've been fairly consistent in keeping in with big teams and managed to take a scalp.

Compared to that, exaggerated it is not.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 24, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Just learning of this now.

Laois GAA can go fook off if they think a €130 CB Ticket is going to be sold in to this house next February.

Unfortunately that's sort of counter-productive, both from your own club's viewpoint, and from the viewpoint of getting funding for county teams.
I think Ogie's analysis is better. Brennan was not God himself. Sure, he had the players going well for him, but in terms of thoroughness, I'd say Cheddar may have been better. Maye it is all about climbing the ladder w/ Brennan? We'll see what his next move is. I suppose Dublin will want him.

There is more than one way to fund my local club. Via the County Board ticket system won't be one in 2021. Might as well go the way of Wicklow and the likes - it's obvious the CB have no real interest in our County Hurlers succeeding.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 24, 2020, 01:46:59 PM
I personally think Eddie would have given it another year due to how Covid messed this year up. He was looking forward to Laois playing the championship round robin which didn't happen.
I think he would have done another year if the 'off the record' never happened
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 01:49:46 PM
That's been two cracking managers that Laois have had recently, and for me they have improved and developed well under both

Who's going to step in now? Its an attractive post with a decent set of players to pick from, what is the age profile of the current team and is there room for developing it further?

Laois would be the benchmark for us moving up, I'd say we'd have a target on their backs going forward, purely out of that fact that they are a level above us, it would be a decent guideline to see how we have improved lately.

I don't know where Eddie is going to go after this, Dublin? Wexford? is there talk of him stepping up?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 24, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
If we get the wrong man in, I'd say ye'd be well able to beat us in the league and the Leinster championship next year.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 24, 2020, 02:05:05 PM
Maybe we could approach Ken McGrath - haw haw!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Leixlad on November 24, 2020, 02:09:04 PM
Was always going to be the outcome unfortunately.
Anyone able to think of suitable or potential replacements? I would definitely favor another outsider.
David Herity?
Henry Shefflin? Why not if Mickey Harte is gone to Louth.
Ken/Derek McGrath?
Ciaran Carey?
TJ Ryan?
This is the caliber we should be aiming for - and the next appointment will tell a lot about what the county board think of Laois hurling. I only hope if one of the above is approached he doesn't ring Eddie for advice.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laoisred on November 24, 2020, 02:09:21 PM
It is disappointing but people shouldn't be too despondent. There are good up and coming managers in the club game and inter county that could step up. Just a few off the top of my head...Henry Sheflin, Kevin Lally, David Herity.
I hope all that went on won't put people off coming to Laois if it is an outsider.

The next appointment is crucial if Laois want to build on last year's progress. Need a young hungry manager. They don't grow on trees but they are there!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on November 24, 2020, 02:21:31 PM
List of players rattled off by Zoom that arenít hurling wifh Laois on this podcast is extraordinary https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/cQ5dH1DexqoY9GJh6
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 24, 2020, 02:35:54 PM
Sure, he had the players going well for him, but in terms of thoroughness, I'd say Cheddar may have been better.

Cheddar probably overdid the physical prep and his teams were often lead-legged in important games. He was trying to build the team up to be able to compete physically. Our hurling was a good bit sharper under Eddie IMO. Cheddar is a legend but I would always prefer to have him on structure and development than directly managing our senior team. Niall Corcoran is easily as big a loss as Eddie and I would imagine they will go as a package to their next county.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 24, 2020, 02:53:23 PM
Lads are off their heads if they think the likes of Shefflin or Herity would touch Laois with a shitty stick once everything comes out in the wash.

We are back to the likes of the Eamonn Kellyís who next job after he left Laois was coaching Kildangans third adult team.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 24, 2020, 02:57:14 PM
Inevitable outcome really. The boys don't want to do any more than they have been doing. I'm surprised they took on someone so progressive and outspoken in the first place.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laoisred on November 24, 2020, 03:14:20 PM
Incorrect, Eamonn Kelly managed Boherlahan to Tipp Junior title a few months after leaving Laois. Then went to Judes in Dublin.
Why not go for Sheflin or Herity. You'd never know. Arien Delaney was the front runner last time and no one even mentioned Brennan. Could be the same this time!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 24, 2020, 03:55:39 PM
Lads ye can talk about whoever you want as manager, it doesn't matter who comes in because ambition is not met well in this county and its plain as day they will not get the support they need.


We will get someone who will play by the rules in place i.e. come in, take what your given  and don't rock the boat.

I guess they will go hard to get a big name on the ticket but I don't trust them one iota to get a person in who is desperate for Laois to succeed. Derek McGrath in doing a small bit of coaching with a Laois man as manager is my random call...
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 24, 2020, 04:04:01 PM
Incorrect, Eamonn Kelly managed Boherlahan to Tipp Junior title a few months after leaving Laois. Then went to Judes in Dublin.
Why not go for Sheflin or Herity. You'd never know. Arien Delaney was the front runner last time and no one even mentioned Brennan. Could be the same this time!



he was in charge of Boherlahans juniors as well after his own juniors

Thatís his level

Shefflin is gone to Bennett'sbridge for 2021,one phone call to brennan will set him straight as regards Laois.

One of our own would be the best option,because anyone we get from outside will be a journeyman on the circuit.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: HURLING1 on November 24, 2020, 04:13:34 PM
We have never got all our best hurlers to commit  and after this fiasco can only see it getting worse.
A county career is long term and in other counties when a manager leaves the professional structures remain but in Laois its back to amateur hour.
Some on here saying Eddie hasn't achieved much.
My god some of our defeats are quickly forgotten.
Cork scored 10 20 against us!!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on November 24, 2020, 04:17:04 PM
Unfortunately, I'm not sure appointing one of our own will generate the same level of interest and enthusiasm that players showed in their committment under Brennan. There was a genuine buzz around hurling in the county that I think has been silenced today.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 24, 2020, 04:22:04 PM
I'm not sure what management organisation would get away with a situation where one of its prized assets is allowed to/forced to walk away. The view of supporters is clear (although no-one really cares what they think). The view of the players seems to be also fairly clear. I can't imagine that sponsors would be over the moon about losing someone like Eddie Brennan who brought some profile to the county. So who benefits? Maybe the Country Board itself, who have one less irritation to deal with and definitely some other county who will pick him up and certainly prosper. It really is a shambles.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 24, 2020, 05:18:41 PM
Very disappointing news today but unfortunately was the most likely outcome with Eddie leaving. Niall Corcoran as well big loss in training set. Wouldnít surprise me if Dublin are ringing about their availability after today. Definitely improved first touch and self belief that players can compete. Hopefully that continues with next appointment.
Mick Dempsey I wonder would there be any appetite to get involved. Following years with Kilkenny would be another name and highly rated in Kilkenny with Cody.

As echoed by Ogie need to be putting priorities back in underage structures and trying to get underage teams to compete in Leinster. If we start relying and expecting an outsider person to develop and sustain progress weíre going to go nowhere. At both codes. We keep looking for a messiah to turn water into wine.


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 24, 2020, 05:35:46 PM
I would agree that the underage set up should be prioritised but that's not the job of the senior county manager. His job is to look after the senior hurlers. The county boards job is to ensure that the underage structures are right. Can't see what the connection is or should be between between Eddie Brennan as manager and our underage set up?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 24, 2020, 05:38:09 PM
Very disappointing news today but unfortunately was the most likely outcome with Eddie leaving. Niall Corcoran as well big loss in training set. Wouldnít surprise me if Dublin are ringing about their availability after today. Definitely improved first touch and self belief that players can compete. Hopefully that continues with next appointment.
Mick Dempsey I wonder would there be any appetite to get involved. Following years with Kilkenny would be another name and highly rated in Kilkenny with Cody.

As echoed by Ogie need to be putting priorities back in underage structures and trying to get underage teams to compete in Leinster. If we start relying and expecting an outsider person to develop and sustain progress weíre going to go nowhere. At both codes. We keep looking for a messiah to turn water into wine.

The senior manager is at the end of the conveyor belt and has to make do with what comes off the line,which was started 15-20 years previously.

I donít care if your Cody but if the infrastructure isnít there at juvenile,your at nothing as Cork have and are learning the hard way.

Hopefully brennans departure might spur a root and Branch shake of hurling development and coaching within the county

I doubt it though
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 24, 2020, 05:52:39 PM

I would agree that the underage set up should be prioritised but that's not the job of the senior county manager. His job is to look after the senior hurlers. The county boards job is to ensure that the underage structures are right. Can't see what the connection is or should be between between Eddie Brennan as manager and our underage set up?

I agree of course Senior manager has no input over underage structure. No question we need a decent manager that goes without saying. Of course we would have liked him to commit for another year but we have to be realistic that Brennan was handed a 2 year term.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Chrimtain on November 24, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
I would love to see or hear an interview with the county board members on Laois Today / Midlands Radio 3 / Leinster Express regarding what they see as their mission and vision for Laois GAA.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 24, 2020, 07:44:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Offaly_GAA/status/1331297266368458757?s=20

Even the lads north of us are trying to get their house in order - do we have to wait here to be in Christy Ring Cup too to start a similar process?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 24, 2020, 08:02:37 PM
https://twitter.com/Offaly_GAA/status/1331297266368458757?s=20

Even the lads north of us are trying to get their house in order - do we have to wait here to be in Christy Ring Cup too to start a similar process?

If getting our house in order is the production of strategic plans which then are ignored and gather dust

We are well ahead of Offaly

The same was done here in 2017 lots of consultations and surveys with ďstakeholdersĒ

Hereís the plan for 2018-2020

High on aspiration,low on concrete final product

https://laoisgaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Laois-GAA-Strategic-and-Action-Plan-2018-2020.pdf
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 24, 2020, 10:48:42 PM
Had a quick look through plan and itís all fluff with no substance. A major flaw with any plan is where individual members are not designated to over see tasks. That is the first step to actually bringing about change. Name the individual(s) whose responsibility it is to implement the desired change and have them report back their progress on a regular basis to management/county board. Writing down in strategic plan that the responsibility for completing tasks is that of county board means nothing will be achieved as the onus lies with no one to achieve getting something done or implemented.

Any good organisation would divide work out accordingly. Set realistic targets, and give people responsibility for getting it done. If individuals fail to reach targets or get work done then clearly they shouldnít be in the roles they are in.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 24, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
Had a quick look through plan and itís all fluff with no substance. A major flaw with any plan is where individual members are not designated to over see tasks. That is the first step to actually bringing about change. Name the individual(s) whose responsibility it is to implement the desired change and have them report back their progress on a regular basis to management/county board. Writing down in strategic plan that the responsibility for completing tasks is that of county board means nothing will be achieved as the onus lies with no one to achieve getting something done or implemented.

Any good organisation would divide work out accordingly. Set realistic targets, and give people responsibility for getting it done. If individuals fail to reach targets or get work done then clearly they shouldnít be in the roles they are in.

That works in a business setting

Much harder to name people and make them personally responsible when everyone is a volunteer and there on a year by year basis

I presume you raised this very point at your clubs meeting when they sent out people to canvass the views of members for inclusion in the report?

If you didnít

Donít worry,those strategic reviews are like buses

another one will be along shortly
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 24, 2020, 11:30:07 PM
We need to regain perspective here.
Ultimately (and it was always going to happen) Eddie went when it suited Eddie. He is the least deserving of sympathy in all of this. He played the media game big time over his time with Laois and (presumably by accident) it backfired.
Still, he played the game to the end and no matter what the reasons for leaving actually were, he comes out of it blameless and with all major reporters out to bat for him.

Still, I disagree strongly with Ogie, and I wouldnít underestimate how good a job he did. Correct me if Iím wrong, but didnít you take a similar position when Cheddar was leaving? Basically heís not all that and we can find a better manager. Maybe it was Finbarr. Well it wasnít that simple to find an adequate replacement then, and it probably wonít be now.

I was impressed with the quotes I saw from Enda Rowland, looking forward rather than lamenting. He is correct. Talk of U-Turns etc is nonsense.
Eddie looked after Eddie (Enda didnít say that) and he was always going to. The only positive is that the CB are under serious pressure with this appointment, and it will be scrutinized to the last both locally and nationally. That can only be a good thing for those of us who would like Laois hurling to progress.

The players canít decide who comes in next or how they operate. But we do need some mechanism whereby they can ensure what worked well over the past few years is maintained and integrated into the new manís system.
This is an unusual position for Laois to be in, unusually we are not looking for someone to come in, rip up the script and start from scratch. It will take somebody with a certain level of humility and awareness to realize that thereís something there to build on.

Kevin Lally & TJ Ryan among the more interesting ones mentioned here so far to my mind.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 25, 2020, 07:00:57 AM
I can't imagine too many "names" being interested. They will have heard what Eddie said. There it is. Do what you can with it. That short sighted approach from the CB cheapens the brand; not Eddie's criticisms or remarks. If they haven't got a pot to piss in, stay local, but for God's sake look after the players first and foremost. No point going around all Billy Big Bollocks saying we got Eddie Brennan when you can't back up his ambitions. I have to say they look completely shot of any credibility right now in my eyes. For their own sakes, their next appointment needs to bark when he's told to. What a mess....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 25, 2020, 07:35:55 AM
True to a degree. I know Enda mentioned attracting a big name. But I hope this is applied to somebody young, in touch and ďup and comingĒ (Brennan, Herrity, Shane Oí Neill, Lally type ďbig nameĒ) rather than the Teddy McCarthy type big name!
Thatís the big danger, I wouldnít be letting them off the hook by being able to present a ďbig nameĒ.

Itís obvious Laois donít have a bottomless budget, but IC managers like Brennan and Quirke are still being well looked after. There will be interest from that point of view, but most good fellas tend to cherry pick and certainly tend to avoid perceived poisoned chalices. The last few weeks will have done us no good in that regard.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on November 25, 2020, 09:56:48 AM
No point going around all Billy Big Bollocks saying we got Eddie Brennan when you can't back up his ambitions. I have to say they look completely shot of any credibility right now in my eyes.

Exactly this. Eddie Brennan said this too in his off the record interview. Basically he was left with the backroom team to graft away with little to no support from the CB.

The CB obviously have this train of thought that they get "a big name" to keep the fans and players quiet and thats it, that is all that needs to be done. How dare Eddie have any ambition in the role by coming back and seeking to work out a streamlined club fixtures schedule to free up county players ahead of the national championships let alone having physios and things right for the players.

I could imagine some on the CB reacting to that with their bottom lip meeting their eyebrows at that request - like a dog that just licked pi$$ off a nettle. The audacity of Brennan, how dare he ask, for some more.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 11:46:02 AM
We've brought in a director of hurling in the county last year, someone to put in a plan and see it through from the grassroots up to intercounty..

Basically only started and due to the current covid restrictions its difficult to access the progress this year, but the future will be a lot better if he's given the green light to carry out the ambition Antrim wants.

Has Laois got a director of hurling?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 25, 2020, 01:58:02 PM
Milltown would ye consider yourselves well funded from a combination of GAA/NI executive and business interests?
Iíd have expected ye would be, but always hard to assess from the outside.
The isolated location must be a real killer? All counties down here are basically adjoining each other in a single connected landmass.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on November 25, 2020, 05:12:08 PM
Probably two threads / conversations on the go here (1) Our Senior hurling manager (2) Structures for Hurling Development in the county, number 2 needs a lot of discussion and planning & good people back involved ( Cheddar, Pat etc & more GDA positions filled and working )

Number 1 , some ideas, Other than some names already thrown out by Laois Today & Leinster Express

 Jeff Lynskey from Galway ( Would also have a very educated input for our Development structures, has done brilliant work in Galway underage )
Willie Maher, highly regarded in Tipp Circles, just left the Cuala Job after two successful years
Darragh Egan , may be tempted like Eddie to cut his teeth now at inter county management
Stephen Frampton - Ballygunner & Waterford
Pat Ryan Current Cork U20 Manager, possibly already lined up for the Cork job in next year or so
Diarmuid O Sullivan, good experience gained in the Cork set up, high profile
Brendan Bugler ? very new to coaching but was on Davys ticket in Clare
Declan Fanning , highly thought of coach with Tipp & Na Piarsaigh (Maybe with Ken Hogan managing?)
Brendan Cummins
Liam Dunne / Willie Cleary Wexford

Just a few ideas. The players will move on quickly so we need to be moving on this immediately with a selection panel put in place and get moving,
 
 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 25, 2020, 07:09:11 PM
Probably two threads / conversations on the go here (1) Our Senior hurling manager (2) Structures for Hurling Development in the county, number 2 needs a lot of discussion and planning & good people back involved ( Cheddar, Pat etc & more GDA positions filled and working )

Number 1 , some ideas, Other than some names already thrown out by Laois Today & Leinster Express

 Jeff Lynskey from Galway ( Would also have a very educated input for our Development structures, has done brilliant work in Galway underage )
Willie Maher, highly regarded in Tipp Circles, just left the Cuala Job after two successful years
Darragh Egan , may be tempted like Eddie to cut his teeth now at inter county management
Stephen Frampton - Ballygunner & Waterford
Pat Ryan Current Cork U20 Manager, possibly already lined up for the Cork job in next year or so
Diarmuid O Sullivan, good experience gained in the Cork set up, high profile
Brendan Bugler ? very new to coaching but was on Davys ticket in Clare
Declan Fanning , highly thought of coach with Tipp & Na Piarsaigh (Maybe with Ken Hogan managing?)
Brendan Cummins
Liam Dunne / Willie Cleary Wexford

Just a few ideas. The players will move on quickly so we need to be moving on this immediately with a selection panel put in place and get moving,

Lynskey is waiting for the galway job,brilliant guy,not a hope of him going to Laois

Maher gone to bennetsbridge

Daragh,has a big back room of people reporting into him in the tipp setup,he wouldnít have that problem with laois for starters,still involved hugely with Kiladangan,young family and a school principal

Frampton is first year with Cahill and Bevans,every chance Waterford could win the all ireland this year or next.

Pat ryan in line for cork job soon

The Rock,havenít seen any evidence of what he could bring

Bugler,green and when he went for an interview in Portlaoise CBS they didnít even know who he was

Fanning involved with Killenaule,doubtful if Ken wants to finally bury his management career

Cummins supposed to have been part of the Kerry set up last weekend instead looked after his media career but then again Laois let brennan do the same
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laoisred on November 25, 2020, 07:24:03 PM
Plenty of names mentioned there. This forum could be useful for the selection committee to review. Plenty of reasons suggedted why people wouldn't come but there are reasons why the job might interest people too!
Just one other point how many managers do Bennettsbridge have? Yesterday it was Sheflin and today Willie Maher is over them.....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 25, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
Plenty of names mentioned there. This forum could be useful for the selection committee to review. Plenty of reasons suggedted why people wouldn't come but there are reasons why the job might interest people too!
Just one other point how many managers do Bennettsbridge have? Yesterday it was Sheflin and today Willie Maher is over them.....

Mea Culpa

Shefflin is gone to Thomastown not Bennetsbridge

Maher and Big Dan are gone to Bennetsbridge,no shortage of cash there

Lots of excellent names there is right and I donít want to be negative or shooting down lad especially when Iím all about finding solutions in relation to Laois hurling myself

I do think we are tarnished by this as a hurling county and appointing a manager is just a sticking plaster

Any manager worthy of consideration is going to be prearmed and will want nailed down guarantees as regards the support package for the county board probably above and beyond what they can feasibly offer at this moment in time

The whole juvenile development in this county needs a complete over haul

We need to spend the budget already in place as regards GDAís

We need an independent supporters club in place as well

Our governance needs an overall,we have a hurling board chairman and no hurling board

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 25, 2020, 08:49:39 PM
Plenty of names mentioned there. This forum could be useful for the selection committee to review. Plenty of reasons suggedted why people wouldn't come but there are reasons why the job might interest people too!
Just one other point how many managers do Bennettsbridge have? Yesterday it was Sheflin and today Willie Maher is over them.....

Mea Culpa

Shefflin is gone to Thomastown not Bennetsbridge

Maher and Big Dan are gone to Bennetsbridge,no shortage of cash there

Lots of excellent names there is right and I donít want to be negative or shooting down lad especially when Iím all about finding solutions in relation to Laois hurling myself

I do think we are tarnished by this as a hurling county and appointing a manager is just a sticking plaster

Any outside manager worthy of consideration is going to be prearmed and will want nailed down guarantees as regards the support package for the county board probably above and beyond what they can feasibly offer at this moment in time

I think we should look within the county.

The whole juvenile development in this county needs a complete over haul

We need to spend the budget already in place as regards GDAís

We need an independent supporters club in place as well

Our governance needs an overall,we have a hurling board chairman and no hurling board
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 25, 2020, 09:28:36 PM
Probably two threads / conversations on the go here (1) Our Senior hurling manager (2) Structures for Hurling Development in the county, number 2 needs a lot of discussion and planning & good people back involved ( Cheddar, Pat etc & more GDA positions filled and working )

Number 1 , some ideas, Other than some names already thrown out by Laois Today & Leinster Express

 Jeff Lynskey from Galway ( Would also have a very educated input for our Development structures, has done brilliant work in Galway underage )
Willie Maher, highly regarded in Tipp Circles, just left the Cuala Job after two successful years
Darragh Egan , may be tempted like Eddie to cut his teeth now at inter county management
Stephen Frampton - Ballygunner & Waterford
Pat Ryan Current Cork U20 Manager, possibly already lined up for the Cork job in next year or so
Diarmuid O Sullivan, good experience gained in the Cork set up, high profile
Brendan Bugler ? very new to coaching but was on Davys ticket in Clare
Declan Fanning , highly thought of coach with Tipp & Na Piarsaigh (Maybe with Ken Hogan managing?)
Brendan Cummins
Liam Dunne / Willie Cleary Wexford

Just a few ideas. The players will move on quickly so we need to be moving on this immediately with a selection panel put in place and get moving,

Lynskey is waiting for the galway job,brilliant guy,not a hope of him going to Laois

Maher gone to bennetsbridge

Daragh,has a big back room of people reporting into him in the tipp setup,he wouldnít have that problem with laois for starters,still involved hugely with Kiladangan,young family and a school principal

Frampton is first year with Cahill and Bevans,every chance Waterford could win the all ireland this year or next.

Pat ryan in line for cork job soon

The Rock,havenít seen any evidence of what he could bring

Bugler,green and when he went for an interview in Portlaoise CBS they didnít even know who he was

Fanning involved with Killenaule,doubtful if Ken wants to finally bury his management career

Cummins supposed to have been part of the Kerry set up last weekend instead looked after his media career but then again Laois let brennan do the same
  they didnt know who he was ? As a teacher ?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 25, 2020, 10:03:20 PM
Yeah, Portlaoise CBS, that bastion of hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: marty34 on November 25, 2020, 11:06:27 PM
Probably two threads / conversations on the go here (1) Our Senior hurling manager (2) Structures for Hurling Development in the county, number 2 needs a lot of discussion and planning & good people back involved ( Cheddar, Pat etc & more GDA positions filled and working )

Number 1 , some ideas, Other than some names already thrown out by Laois Today & Leinster Express

 Jeff Lynskey from Galway ( Would also have a very educated input for our Development structures, has done brilliant work in Galway underage )
Willie Maher, highly regarded in Tipp Circles, just left the Cuala Job after two successful years
Darragh Egan , may be tempted like Eddie to cut his teeth now at inter county management
Stephen Frampton - Ballygunner & Waterford
Pat Ryan Current Cork U20 Manager, possibly already lined up for the Cork job in next year or so
Diarmuid O Sullivan, good experience gained in the Cork set up, high profile
Brendan Bugler ? very new to coaching but was on Davys ticket in Clare
Declan Fanning , highly thought of coach with Tipp & Na Piarsaigh (Maybe with Ken Hogan managing?)
Brendan Cummins
Liam Dunne / Willie Cleary Wexford

Just a few ideas. The players will move on quickly so we need to be moving on this immediately with a selection panel put in place and get moving,

Lynskey is waiting for the galway job,brilliant guy,not a hope of him going to Laois

Maher gone to bennetsbridge

Daragh,has a big back room of people reporting into him in the tipp setup,he wouldnít have that problem with laois for starters,still involved hugely with Kiladangan,young family and a school principal

Frampton is first year with Cahill and Bevans,every chance Waterford could win the all ireland this year or next.

Pat ryan in line for cork job soon

The Rock,havenít seen any evidence of what he could bring

Bugler,green and when he went for an interview in Portlaoise CBS they didnít even know who he was

Fanning involved with Killenaule,doubtful if Ken wants to finally bury his management career

Cummins supposed to have been part of the Kerry set up last weekend instead looked after his media career but then again Laois let brennan do the same
  they didnt know who he was ? As a teacher ?

Says more about the school than Bugler.

An outside bet, Darren Gleeson of Antrim.  Hr has them going really well and Laois a bit closer than the north.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2020, 09:04:27 AM
Milltown would ye consider yourselves well funded from a combination of GAA/NI executive and business interests?
Iíd have expected ye would be, but always hard to assess from the outside.
The isolated location must be a real killer? All counties down here are basically adjoining each other in a single connected landmass.

No real funding coming from the NI executive side of things as you can imagine.. but Club Antrim has started to build up great funding ideas and initiatives to generate money to help towards the better development of the county teams.. We are a long way off the standard that Laois has brought to the table so far and I'd imagine they would be our benchmark.

Logistics will always be the problem but the Joe McDonagh cup these last few years has enabled us to play a standard of hurling that we were at and improve us, the games against that 2nd tier teams will hopefully allow us to develop even further.

Antrim took their eye off the ball after the break up of the automatic semi finals.. we are only slowly coming back, club hurling is very good with 4/5 very competitive teams at the minute as our championship showed this year. Because of covid we have all players available that are fit, couple of other additions would improve it again..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: johnnycool on November 26, 2020, 09:44:37 AM
Milltown would ye consider yourselves well funded from a combination of GAA/NI executive and business interests?
Iíd have expected ye would be, but always hard to assess from the outside.
The isolated location must be a real killer? All counties down here are basically adjoining each other in a single connected landmass.

No real funding coming from the NI executive side of things as you can imagine.. but Club Antrim has started to build up great funding ideas and initiatives to generate money to help towards the better development of the county teams.. We are a long way off the standard that Laois has brought to the table so far and I'd imagine they would be our benchmark.

Logistics will always be the problem but the Joe McDonagh cup these last few years has enabled us to play a standard of hurling that we were at and improve us, the games against that 2nd tier teams will hopefully allow us to develop even further.

Antrim took their eye off the ball after the break up of the automatic semi finals.. we are only slowly coming back, club hurling is very good with 4/5 very competitive teams at the minute as our championship showed this year. Because of covid we have all players available that are fit, couple of other additions would improve it again..

Gaelfast will come good for you in the longer term as they're concentrating on the underage/schools coaches and the likes and that's the right place IMO. Create a bigger playing base and build up from there.
It'll take 10 years or so for that to come to fruition.

Antrim have also been helped this year with the definitive split in the fixtures calendar. The club game is still king there and if a player for the likes of Cushendall, Dunloy or Loughgeil was finding it difficult time wise to commit to both, the club will win every time.

There's something in that but no doubt as soon as normality kicks back in the players will find themselves playing county one day and club the next for most of April, May and June.

Due to Laois' close proximity to the likes of Kilkenny and Tipp you'd have thought you might have a decent selection to chose from, but I'd be careful in who I'd go for and yer man Lynskey of Galway is certainly one I'd say might want to cut his teeth at senior IC level even though he's earmarked for the Galway job, as O'Neill might be there for another year or two. A bit like Liam Cahill's decision to go with Waterford from the Tipp U20's as he's a shoe in for the Tipp job once Sheedy steps down.

He might be put off by Brennans off the record comments as will most so there's a big onus on Laois CB to take onboard Brennans comments and be seen to be doing something about them if they're serious about Laois hurling kicking on as a tier one hurling county.

The players seem to be there but they two won't buy into another mickey mouse set up.



Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 26, 2020, 11:29:33 AM
So when is the selection committee in place?

Rumours abound at the moment, sooner this moves along the better...
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 26, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Itís in these vacuums that a full time Director of S&C would be handy as a liaison with the 2020 panel.
A manager wouldnít have huge personal input into designing a training Programme/loading/testing etc at this time of the year anyways.
Would M. Dempsey consider this role for a short period? And perhaps an involvement in finding/assessing suitable candidates . Expecting that heíd take the job is probably a step too far unfortunately, but could open the door to the likes of Herrity? He has good work done in Kildare, but despite what happened with Eddie everybody gets tempted when an offer to work higher up the chain comes along!

Taking their time & Appointing someone who feels they are 2-3 weeks behind in preparation is a hell of a lot more desirable than appointing someone in a hurry who puts us back 2-3 years.
As long as the taking their time doesnít translate to offering the job to everyone and anyone, being turned down and offering it to others. That sort of thing gets out fairly quickly and they/we canít afford any further brand damage!

I think you can safely rule an internal candidate out. Iíd have been an advocate of Arien Delaney the last few times it came up, but his post Camross record has been fairly ordinary.
There are no outstanding candidates.
Hard to see Diarmuid Mullins giving up his current position in the queue in Limerick. Not to mind the prospect of moving from an ďall you can eatĒ type set up to a ďcoupons & bargain binĒ one.
Minor manager in Limerick, with a rich supply, big pull and most likely huge resources must be a fantastic gig to have.

Anyone on the media circuit wonít work. We arenít attractive enough, and canít afford to make it worth their while to drop those gigs and take up a much more time consuming and challenging role.
Cusack, Daly, Donoghue, Cummins etc are non runners.
Ken Hogan seems to pick his jobs very cleverly. Heís never taken the Offaly job despite being offered it several times. I canít see how weíd be more attractive at the moment when you weight up the likelihood of failing/succeeding.
Lynskey was apparently very close to the Offaly job last year. Either choosing not to take it or being snubbed for Fennelly. Whatever happened here could be a good indication of whether heíd be interested or not!

Herrity, Lynskey, Lally or Gleeson. In that order for me.

Somebody with some reputation of success is needed in order to be strong enough to
A) Identify & Hold onto what has worked well over the last few years (without feeling undermined)
B) Withstand early comparisons to Brennan (from both inside & outside the camp).
and
C) Establish a relationship with LCB that serves Laois hurling. Neither accepting of poor standards or in eternal conflict. Not being totally unreasonable nor being a yes man.

Iíd have thought theyíd have had a selection committee by now tbh.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on November 26, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
Good post Keyser.

It would be great if Mick Dempsey could be brought in. Vast knowledge and experience and would command respect. The idea that he could get involved straight away and then maybe work with whatever manager is appointed makes sense to me but whether i does to Mick or the CB is another question.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 26, 2020, 03:10:56 PM
Imagine:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1126/1180574-cork-gaa-unveil-ambitious-one-cork-vision/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1126/1180574-cork-gaa-unveil-ambitious-one-cork-vision/)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 26, 2020, 03:32:04 PM
Imagine:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1126/1180574-cork-gaa-unveil-ambitious-one-cork-vision/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1126/1180574-cork-gaa-unveil-ambitious-one-cork-vision/)

Why shouldnít laois be looking to raise Ä3-Ä5m if Cork are looking at Ä20m
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 26, 2020, 04:07:07 PM
All things considered, Brennan, funding and the relative strength of our player pool, I do wonder sometimes what the end goal is. Win a Provincial? Seems very unlikely. Just be as good as you can be? What does that even mean? There's a pointlessness to all of this that gets harder to accept with each passing year and disappointment. Whoever follows Brennan, after all he exposed, would need to think long and hard about his future. Brennan did right to jump and I wouldn't blame Quirke if he did likewise. Sad to say, but you have to be realistic.

I have an expectation of a very quick appointment here. Anything/anyone to get the issue off the table. Fire fighting. The same happened with and after Sugrue. Are all these progressive young coaches wrong? Just keep putting the hamster on the wheel
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 26, 2020, 06:55:14 PM
So when is the selection committee in place?

Rumours abound at the moment, sooner this moves along the better...

Probably get someone like Colm Bonnar to plug a gap for a year or 2. Will be interesting who if any internally in Laois would be interested.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 26, 2020, 08:21:29 PM
What's the chances of a straight swap - Carlow get Brennan, we get Bonnar?!!
Some are saying the Dublin job is a done-deal for him, though. Brennan, that is...
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on November 26, 2020, 11:12:55 PM
Dublin donít take mouth pieces. Wonít happen.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on November 27, 2020, 07:11:02 AM
Cork a bastion of Financial probity,  20 Million over 4-5 years in a pandemic.  Maybe not widely overspending on a Stadium might have been a better idea.   Don't think Eddie goes to Dublin but stranger things have happened. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 27, 2020, 08:52:42 AM
All things considered, Brennan, funding and the relative strength of our player pool, I do wonder sometimes what the end goal is. Win a Provincial? Seems very unlikely. Just be as good as you can be? What does that even mean? There's a pointlessness to all of this that gets harder to accept with each passing year and disappointment. Whoever follows Brennan, after all he exposed, would need to think long and hard about his future. Brennan did right to jump and I wouldn't blame Quirke if he did likewise. Sad to say, but you have to be realistic.

To be the best we can be is worthwhile always. To be the best of the 'Joe McDonagh' standard teams - who are all fine teams and play some great hurling. To be able to take a scalp every 2-3 years so that teams are wary of us. To maybe challenge for a provincial once every 10 years. This might be as good as we get but it is worth every bit of it to see Laois hurling people with their heads held high and kids wanting to hurl for Laois. Even with our small pool of players we can do much better. Who knows what the future holds if you can eventually get more hurling into places like Portlaoise and maybe the north of the county. No need for dejection. Lots of counties and inter-county hurlers would love to be in the position we are in.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 27, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
All things considered, Brennan, funding and the relative strength of our player pool, I do wonder sometimes what the end goal is. Win a Provincial? Seems very unlikely. Just be as good as you can be? What does that even mean? There's a pointlessness to all of this that gets harder to accept with each passing year and disappointment. Whoever follows Brennan, after all he exposed, would need to think long and hard about his future. Brennan did right to jump and I wouldn't blame Quirke if he did likewise. Sad to say, but you have to be realistic.

I have an expectation of a very quick appointment here. Anything/anyone to get the issue off the table. Fire fighting. The same happened with and after Sugrue. Are all these progressive young coaches wrong? Just keep putting the hamster on the wheel


Your right

Letís not bother

The likes of the Cavan and Tipperary football communities should do the same and every other underdog who ever pulled on a jersey,

Ditto with club football in laois
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 27, 2020, 10:45:10 AM
Fair points. I guess we need all our players playing, at the very least, to get anywhere near that. No doubt some won't commit now Brennan has gone. Some already didn't anyway. I don't think Tipp or Cavan are missing too many.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 27, 2020, 10:55:48 AM
Fair points. I guess we need all our players playing, at the very least, to get anywhere near that. No doubt some won't commit now Brennan has gone. Some already didn't anyway. I don't think Tipp or Cavan are missing too many.

Peter Acheson is in Dubai
Liam Mc Grath Australia all ireland minor captain in 2011
Josh Keane Australia young footballer of the year nominee in 2016
John Meagher left to join the hurlers this year

All would be starters

And as a tipp football fan reminded this week,of his top 10 footballers playing club football there, he says only 3 are playing county football,the likes of john Brian Mcgrath and Seamus Kennedy are all gone to the hurlers


We have 2 main issues with Laois Hurling

Governance

And

Culture

We have a lot of the supporters thinking we were great to get so close to to Clare

We werenít

We should have beaten them and thatís the reality

Brennan came into Laois with an outsiders perspective and had a lot more belief in our lads than many within the county
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on November 27, 2020, 11:13:32 AM
On a random sidenote I see that Dunamase College in Portlaoise will treble in size over the next few years to over 1000 students with its new school. With its location and future size there is massive potential/opportunity here for Laois GAA to tap into and help revitalise GAA in the town. Obviously the school would have to come onboard with the idea, but if a Portlaoise specific GDA was link up with the school and put the correct structures in place it could be one step in the right direction of revitalising hurling within the town.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 27, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
Fair points. I guess we need all our players playing, at the very least, to get anywhere near that. No doubt some won't commit now Brennan has gone. Some already didn't anyway. I don't think Tipp or Cavan are missing too many.

Peter Acheson is in Dubai
Liam Mc Grath Australia all ireland minor captain in 2011
Josh Keane Australia young footballer of the year nominee in 2016
John Meagher left to join the hurlers this year

All would be starters

And as a tipp football fan reminded this week,of his top 10 footballers playing club football there, he says only 3 are playing county football,the likes of john Brian Mcgrath and Seamus Kennedy are all gone to the hurlers


We have 2 main issues with Laois Hurling

Governance

And

Culture

We have a lot of the supporters thinking we were great to get so close to to Clare

We werenít

We should have beaten them and thatís the reality

Brennan came into Laois with an outsiders perspective and had a lot more belief in our lads than many within the county

A golden crop. We've had those too. Cavan not noted for their hurling and similar population size to Laois. Tipp significantly bigger
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 27, 2020, 12:15:32 PM
Fair points. I guess we need all our players playing, at the very least, to get anywhere near that. No doubt some won't commit now Brennan has gone. Some already didn't anyway. I don't think Tipp or Cavan are missing too many.

Peter Acheson is in Dubai
Liam Mc Grath Australia all ireland minor captain in 2011
Josh Keane Australia young footballer of the year nominee in 2016
John Meagher left to join the hurlers this year

All would be starters

And as a tipp football fan reminded this week,of his top 10 footballers playing club football there, he says only 3 are playing county football,the likes of john Brian Mcgrath and Seamus Kennedy are all gone to the hurlers


We have 2 main issues with Laois Hurling

Governance

And

Culture

We have a lot of the supporters thinking we were great to get so close to to Clare

We werenít

We should have beaten them and thatís the reality

Brennan came into Laois with an outsiders perspective and had a lot more belief in our lads than many within the county

A golden crop. We've had those too. Cavan not noted for their hurling and similar population size to Laois. Tipp significantly bigger

They have that many missing and they still got to where they are,now

2 all Ireland semi finals in 5 years when was the last time our golden crops did that?

you describe them as a "golden crop"

the same as if they sprouted overnight,

they havent,

there was a strategic football plan put in place in Tipp as far back as 2008 with the aim of improving juvenile structures,improving coaching,widening the player base and setting aims such as winning minor,u21 and provincial crowns,

the last target was to have them in a an all Ireland senior final by 2020.

I have nephews in a north club in Tipp probably playing or training football a third of the time,this has been in place for the past 10 years

When my brother in law was their age, he wouldn't have even known or cared what a football was.

Every excuse seems to be trundled out in Laois as to why we cant

as opposed to why we can
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 27, 2020, 01:21:00 PM
Easy Tiger. I'm on your side lol but as you say, there are plans. We shelve those.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 27, 2020, 03:51:07 PM
Fair points. I guess we need all our players playing, at the very least, to get anywhere near that. No doubt some won't commit now Brennan has gone. Some already didn't anyway. I don't think Tipp or Cavan are missing too many.

Peter Acheson is in Dubai
Liam Mc Grath Australia all ireland minor captain in 2011
Josh Keane Australia young footballer of the year nominee in 2016
John Meagher left to join the hurlers this year

All would be starters

And as a tipp football fan reminded this week,of his top 10 footballers playing club football there, he says only 3 are playing county football,the likes of john Brian Mcgrath and Seamus Kennedy are all gone to the hurlers


We have 2 main issues with Laois Hurling

Governance

And

Culture

We have a lot of the supporters thinking we were great to get so close to to Clare

We werenít

We should have beaten them and thatís the reality

Brennan came into Laois with an outsiders perspective and had a lot more belief in our lads than many within the county

Excellent post.

We have managed to significantly improve performance in a very short period by "simply" having a good manager. Broadly, we were competitive with top teams. And this was without structures, without resources, without a proper planning framework, without investment in youth, etc. If we managed to get all these aspects correct, it wouldn't be unrealistic for us to think we could equal the likes of Clare in hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on November 27, 2020, 09:23:00 PM
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/592310/over-half-a-million-spent-preparing-laois-senior-hurlers-in-last-two-years.html?fbclid=IwAR1U2Htg4q0W4qBwFT2WQFNkV0MK4DmahrCy-E8Sz-nZnoC2wK2ldgmxfDs#.X8Fqb-03Z_k.facebook

Iím glad thatís out. Poor me bollix. People might change some sort of opinions now
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 28, 2020, 08:30:31 AM
Impossible to prove or disprove in my opinion. And if true, Mike Quirke has some serious questions to ask. I can't believe for one minute that the hurlers got more funding than the footballers, and significantly more if that is to be believed. Timely to say the least. I see it's the usual faces playing musical chairs at the top table
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 28, 2020, 09:38:44 AM
Impossible to prove or disprove in my opinion. And if true, Mike Quirke has some serious questions to ask. I can't believe for one minute that the hurlers got more funding than the footballers, and significantly more if that is to be believed. Timely to say the least. I see it's the usual faces playing musical chairs at the top table

It isnít impossible to prove or disprove

Itís in the annual accounts

Get onto your club delegate,he or she will have the accounts to hand with everything broken down including  the amount of funding from HQ towards team preparation
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 28, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
So you honestly believe that the hurlers got more funding than the footballers. And you guys saying you're the poor relations every week on here. Come on
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 28, 2020, 10:44:05 AM
So you honestly believe that the hurlers got more funding than the footballers. And you guys saying you're the poor relations every week on here. Come on

Did anyone actually say that?

Letís have a look at the accounts first and amounts spent and deal in the facts before anyone gets up on their high horses as to who got more or less.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 28, 2020, 11:29:45 AM
No high horse believe me. But I'm not buying that for a minute. We're better off without free spending Eddie. Look lads, he was crippling us.

Maybe Mike Quirke is the man who should have talked to Wooly. Looks like he was getting the thin end of the wedge
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: The PRO on November 28, 2020, 11:51:26 AM
Doesn't hurling generally cost more than football? Just asking mind. It's the extras in hurls and sliothars I thought? I remember being stunned years ago when a guy from Shanahoe told me how much his club cost to run per year and compared it to any equivalent football club.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 28, 2020, 01:37:13 PM
No doubt about that PRO. But if the hurlers took over 500k, and the overall figure was 800 odd, what did the Senior Footballers get? I'd be interested to look deeper at those figures without any insinuation attached. It just sounds wrong to me
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Giovanni on November 28, 2020, 02:08:05 PM
Whatever about the amount of money involved, a really big issue is who is deciding what to spend the money on in the team preparations. Does the manager have full control over these funds? If so, then Eddie Brennan canít really complain. However, if itís the county board thatís deciding the spending priorities, then I could easily understand the frustration of managers
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 28, 2020, 02:08:43 PM
No doubt about that PRO. But if the hurlers took over 500k, and the overall figure was 800 odd, what did the Senior Footballers get? I'd be interested to look deeper at those figures without any insinuation attached. It just sounds wrong to me

The half a million figure is what the hurlers spent over 2 years 2019 and 2020

The Ä800k is what was spent on both hurling and football in 2019

Thatís the total for one year

You have misread the figures

Maybe you should actually delve into the accounts before you start having digs at ďfree spending EddieĒ and us being better off without him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on November 28, 2020, 02:40:09 PM
You clearly can't pick up on irony. I'll leave you to it

The tone of that article to me suggested that Eddie was free spending and we're better rid. I don't agree with that, obviously. I'm not getting into a tit for tat with you clonad, because I enjoy reading your posts. I think the CB made a massive error letting Brennan go. He won't be easily replaced
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on November 29, 2020, 06:11:25 PM
You clearly can't pick up on irony. I'll leave you to it

The tone of that article to me suggested that Eddie was free spending and we're better rid. I don't agree with that, obviously. I'm not getting into a tit for tat with you clonad, because I enjoy reading your posts. I think the CB made a massive error letting Brennan go. He won't be easily replaced

Listening to Peter OíNeill on Midlands 103 this afternoon with Will O Callaghan. See Eamon Jackman been given role of chairing committee for new manager. Hopefully find right person for the job  shortly.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on November 30, 2020, 01:25:03 PM
Few more names for Eamonn & Co to consider
Brendan Cummins
Liam Dunne ( Wexford )
Richie Mullally
Damien Young
Eoin Brislane
Michael Rice
David Franks
Frank Flannery
Paudie Murray
Jamsie O Connor
Johnny Kelly
Tj ryan

Lots of really good coaches out there, the Manager with the bit of gold dust a lot less plentiful


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 30, 2020, 02:07:38 PM
Derek McGrath is a runner anyways.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on November 30, 2020, 02:11:05 PM
Have heard he has himself ruled out, hopefully not
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 30, 2020, 02:27:24 PM
Have heard he has himself ruled out, hopefully not

I heard it from more reliable source than myself that he was still in

Some well thought out names from you in your above post

Jamesie has never shown any inclination to coach possibly a non runner

Johnny Kelly is going to commit to Offaly again

Paudie Murray a left field choice but obviously an excellent coach who might want to make an impact in the menís game
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on November 30, 2020, 02:37:50 PM
Hope your correct, would love to see Derek take the job.

On a side note would anyone have a copy / access to documents like Raising the Treaty, or the Dublin blue book that mapped out their entire development plan, maybe they were never made public,
I think everyone here would dearly love to see Cheddars plan, I often thought the production of same would mobilise enough people to get it up & running
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 30, 2020, 06:42:03 PM
so

after all the venting and giving out and complaining

after all the time spent on social media and forums

We have a grand total of 1 new person seeking to upturn the old order on the county board.

We have 3  "contests"

Kieran Levy v Peter O'Neill for the chair

Bryan Breen v Tom Clear for the Vice Chair

Brian Allen for a leinster council seat


by my reckoning there's probably 12-14 positions on the top table, which should result in 12-14 contests every single year

The brother in law is a county board delegate in tipp, there's 5 delegates alone going for the PRO Job, nevermind divisional board elections there as well

Meanwhile Apathy reigns in Laois.

back to sleep everyone


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/11/30/new-face-enters-the-race-for-a-spot-on-the-laois-county-board/
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on November 30, 2020, 07:51:47 PM
Yeah, and no 'hurling men' stepping forward, either.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 30, 2020, 09:28:53 PM
so

after all the venting and giving out and complaining

after all the time spent on social media and forums

We have a grand total of 1 new person seeking to upturn the old order on the county board.

We have 3  "contests"

Kieran Levy v Peter O'Neill for the chair

Bryan Breen v Tom Clear for the Vice Chair

Brian Allen for a leinster council seat


by my reckoning there's probably 12-14 positions on the top table, which should result in 12-14 contests every single year

The brother in law is a county board delegate in tipp, there's 5 delegates alone going for the PRO Job, nevermind divisional board elections there as well

Meanwhile Apathy reigns in Laois.

back to sleep everyone


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/11/30/new-face-enters-the-race-for-a-spot-on-the-laois-county-board/
have you not seen how many good people have been burnt both at club and county level attempting to better hurling? They are disillusioned and quite frankly given up fighting against the system.

And of course some actually still play the game on here so to come on here and take a smart ass cut at everyone is below the belt..

In any case I assume you are alot closer to our CB that you let on and I wish you the best of luck in the election.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on November 30, 2020, 09:32:41 PM
so

after all the venting and giving out and complaining

after all the time spent on social media and forums

We have a grand total of 1 new person seeking to upturn the old order on the county board.

We have 3  "contests"

Kieran Levy v Peter O'Neill for the chair

Bryan Breen v Tom Clear for the Vice Chair

Brian Allen for a leinster council seat


by my reckoning there's probably 12-14 positions on the top table, which should result in 12-14 contests every single year

The brother in law is a county board delegate in tipp, there's 5 delegates alone going for the PRO Job, nevermind divisional board elections there as well

Meanwhile Apathy reigns in Laois.

back to sleep everyone


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/11/30/new-face-enters-the-race-for-a-spot-on-the-laois-county-board/
have you not seen how many good people have been burnt both at club and county level attempting to better hurling? They are disillusioned and quite frankly given up fighting against the system.

And of course some actually still play the game on here so to come on here and take a smart ass cut at everyone is below the belt..

In any case I assume you are alot closer to our CB that you let on and I wish you the best of luck in the election.

Yes

Iím Peter OíNeill

Who are you again?

Well done on spectacularly missing my point
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on December 01, 2020, 12:35:52 PM

The brother in law is a county board delegate in tipp, there's 5 delegates alone going for the PRO Job, nevermind divisional board elections there as well

Meanwhile Apathy reigns in Laois.

back to sleep everyone


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/11/30/new-face-enters-the-race-for-a-spot-on-the-laois-county-board/


In any case I assume you are alot closer to our CB that you let on and I wish you the best of luck in the election.

Of course he's not close to the County Board.
This is a poster who joined this site pretending to be from Clonad to ridicule and humiliate a neighbouring club just as a long-standing juvenile arrangement was breaking up. His adopted clubs (hurling and football) are progressive in their outlook and very positive on social media; I'm sure they were embarrassed with his sad attempts at 'trolling' Clonad.

Of course, he is a poster capable of good interjections but his constant eulogizing of his native premier-county is tiresome and condescending.
There are huge issues within our county board structures. These are typified by the postings of a man I presume to be from Kerry who has served a number of roles on said board over the last few years. His 'defense' of the County Board was poorly-conceived and indeed many will have had huge frustrations with his time in Coaching & Games.

There are excellent contributors on this site; I'm sure many are very active with their clubs. As High Fielder says, our intercounty structures are in a precarious state and need an overhaul at national level. As PortlaoiseKid says, many are frustrated with the malaise at county level and have stepped away.
Laois needs change driven first and foremost from our clubs. We need an overhaul of coaching methods and practices at club level so our overall 'base level' increases. We need more players playing and developing at a higher level.
This takes time...it doesn't take county board direction. It's too easy an excuse to make. Too many rush to that simple excuse.

We have a Games Manager now, a good one. It was the one massive positive from the poorly-protected Strategic Review in 2017. He has overhauled how our Development Panels operate and such improvements will bear fruit if the clubs support them and can produce players of the requisite physical, technical and mental standards. Developing a pathway for our players from primary school to Dev Panel to Minor to U20 to Senior will take time but some of the pieces are in place. They need to be developed and protected.

From a hurling perspective, I am amazed the outgoing vice-chair has allowed his name go forward. He is a sitting duck and a candidate (very highly regarded by those who know him) with no baggage will likely sweep home quite comfortably. He is a football man and will be assisting a football man in the chair. The key decision will be who takes on the role of Hurling Chairman. I sincerely hope this man is chosen carefully and deliberately and he is given the autonomy to put together a strong committee of people willing to work to ensure our structures are optimised at county level. There are a number of hurling clubs with no representation at county board level and this needs to be redressed. There is an opportunity for change in 2021.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 01, 2020, 02:02:50 PM
Well said above, on several fronts!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 01, 2020, 02:16:49 PM

The brother in law is a county board delegate in tipp, there's 5 delegates alone going for the PRO Job, nevermind divisional board elections there as well

Meanwhile Apathy reigns in Laois.

back to sleep everyone


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/11/30/new-face-enters-the-race-for-a-spot-on-the-laois-county-board/


In any case I assume you are alot closer to our CB that you let on and I wish you the best of luck in the election.

Of course he's not close to the County Board.
This is a poster who joined this site pretending to be from Clonad to ridicule and humiliate a neighbouring club just as a long-standing juvenile arrangement was breaking up. His adopted clubs (hurling and football) are progressive in their outlook and very positive on social media; I'm sure they were embarrassed with his sad attempts at 'trolling' Clonad.

Of course, he is a poster capable of good interjections but his constant eulogizing of his native premier-county is tiresome and condescending.
There are huge issues within our county board structures. These are typified by the postings of a man I presume to be from Kerry who has served a number of roles on said board over the last few years. His 'defense' of the County Board was poorly-conceived and indeed many will have had huge frustrations with his time in Coaching & Games.

There are excellent contributors on this site; I'm sure many are very active with their clubs. As High Fielder says, our intercounty structures are in a precarious state and need an overhaul at national level. As PortlaoiseKid says, many are frustrated with the malaise at county level and have stepped away.
Laois needs change driven first and foremost from our clubs. We need an overhaul of coaching methods and practices at club level so our overall 'base level' increases. We need more players playing and developing at a higher level.
This takes time...it doesn't take county board direction. It's too easy an excuse to make. Too many rush to that simple excuse.

We have a Games Manager now, a good one. It was the one massive positive from the poorly-protected Strategic Review in 2017. He has overhauled how our Development Panels operate and such improvements will bear fruit if the clubs support them and can produce players of the requisite physical, technical and mental standards. Developing a pathway for our players from primary school to Dev Panel to Minor to U20 to Senior will take time but some of the pieces are in place. They need to be developed and protected.

From a hurling perspective, I am amazed the outgoing vice-chair has allowed his name go forward. He is a sitting duck and a candidate (very highly regarded by those who know him) with no baggage will likely sweep home quite comfortably. He is a football man and will be assisting a football man in the chair. The key decision will be who takes on the role of Hurling Chairman. I sincerely hope this man is chosen carefully and deliberately and he is given the autonomy to put together a strong committee of people willing to work to ensure our structures are optimised at county level. There are a number of hurling clubs with no representation at county board level and this needs to be redressed. There is an opportunity for change in 2021.

Youve a lot going on there son

And all of it wrong in relation to myself

It seems some lads canít take criticism and when I pointed out we had only one new person willing to stand up and run for office it irked a few on here.

It probably cuts close to the bone that lads can pontificate here but canít back it up outside in the real world

Good luck to all the candidates that are willing to put their names forward for election.

Itís a pity that more wont

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on December 01, 2020, 03:00:49 PM

Youve a lot going on there son

And all of it wrong in relation to myself


All of it wrong in relation to your good self?

A man so well-versed in the intricacies and functions of the Tipp county board wouldn't come on trying to pass the following as anything more than pure bull.

Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.

At least own the fact that you initially signed-up to poke fun and belittle your neighbours.
There's not a single poster with any common sense who believes you're from Clonad.

And I agree in wishing all candidates the best of luck.
They're all volunteers and will fulfill their roles and duties to the best of their respective abilities.

We might have frustrations but the officers will be elected by the clubs of Laois and again; it is time the clubs took ownership of their responsibilities in driving Laois forward. Get our own ships in order, start at juvenile level, maximize the potential we have within our own clubs and see where we can go from there.



Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 01, 2020, 03:06:08 PM
Your proving what some of your own club men say about you Merman

That when you donít agree with something

Your a bit immature and make it personal

You obviously didnít agree with my post about the apathy surrounding lads going for county board positions and decided to play the man not the ball.

Thatís more of a reflection on you than it is on me.



Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on December 01, 2020, 03:23:32 PM
I'd like to think that's not the case but I'm not blind to the fact that you (and they) could well be right.

I think there are a myriad of different reasons why many county board positions aren't contested. Its regrettable but I disagree with the idea that there is an apathy around trying to improve Laois hurling and, of course, football.

But I do concede you're right about me playing the man rather than the ball in this instance.
I've said my piece and I'll leave it at that
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 01, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
Few more names for Eamonn & Co to consider
Brendan Cummins
Liam Dunne ( Wexford )
Richie Mullally
Damien Young
Eoin Brislane
Michael Rice
David Franks
Frank Flannery
Paudie Murray
Jamsie O Connor
Johnny Kelly
Tj ryan

Lots of really good coaches out there, the Manager with the bit of gold dust a lot less plentiful

TJ Ryan gone to Charleville Ogie

The list is starting to thin out with clubs and counties planning ahead.

I hope our CB with Eamon have the bit between their teeth
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 01, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
One of the leading hurlers of our generation publicly humiliated one or two of them, and the next week they looked for re-election. That takes a particular brand of disconnect from reality in my opinion. I would personally drift away after that, but each to their own. They must really have a passion for Laois GAA. It's a shitty state of affairs.

In my eyes, their credibility is shot after Brennan. Sugrue was a hard one to swallow, and Brennan is too. I actually want to separate my interest in Laois GAA from everything they do. Our players at every level mean far more to me than their phoney elections. About time our media developed a backbone too and actually started reflecting some people's concerns. Not everyone and I accept that. But a little objectivity is no harm at all
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on December 01, 2020, 09:32:50 PM
One of the leading hurlers of our generation publicly humiliated one or two of them, and the next week they looked for re-election. That takes a particular brand of disconnect from reality in my opinion. I would personally drift away after that, but each to their own. They must really have a passion for Laois GAA. It's a shitty state of affairs.

In my eyes, their credibility is shot after Brennan. Sugrue was a hard one to swallow, and Brennan is too. I actually want to separate my interest in Laois GAA from everything they do. Our players at every level mean far more to me than their phoney elections. About time our media developed a backbone too and actually started reflecting some people's concerns. Not everyone and I accept that. But a little objectivity is no harm at all
super post
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Chrimtain on December 02, 2020, 08:03:57 AM
Great points made and real passion for Laois GAA displayed here, but nobody, including myself, has gone to their clubs and sought nomination for any of the posts on the County Board in order to break up the current cosy set up. Is this just a forum for hot air?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on December 02, 2020, 08:20:39 AM
I see John McEvoy stepped down as Derry Manager,
Has he learnt the trade a bit with that job to be in the picture for our own job now? Johnny McGuirk with him as coach ?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 02, 2020, 08:43:46 AM
No I don't think it is. That to me is the biggest lie in all this. That if you seek nomination, and somehow by the grace of God make it through, that you can affect change. That's rubbish. They don't want change. Change would mean new ideas, new ways of doing things, extra fundraising. We should never forget Eddie's words in that interview. There it is. See what you can do. That's not good enough for a senior inter county manager to put up with. You're looking at changing a mindset there as well as everything else.

I'm hoping the next man in isn't just a money grabber. I kinda feel that our system ensures that's all he really can be after Brennan. We can't go on replacing lads who seem to have a real passion for making things better in our county. Some day, we'll have to take a good look at ourselves and ask is it we who are wrong
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2020, 09:18:36 AM
As I said earlier


Thereís 12-14 top table positions up,that are up for re-election this year and every year.

There are 3 contests this year at convention

Only 1 new person putting his head up for election

Lads here donít like me saying it,even to the extent of ad hominem attacks

But if you have only new person willing  to go forward and itís not apathy what is it ?


My solution  for the 2021 convention at its too late for 2020

There should be a delegation of us knocking on the likes of pat or cheddars door or some other well respected laois person

Asking them to run as chairperson

This is the key bit

They then over the next few months sound out and get the remaining 10-12 best qualified people in situ to run for all the positions

And when convention time comes around they have a viable alternative Cabinet for want of a better phrase to be elected at convention

This affects a mass clearout of the existing top table

You donít have 1 or 2 going in and getting swallowed up by the existing incumbents,you have a majority of fresh thinking people at the table this way.

The more I think about it through an Independent supporters club is the first step.

Not only to raise money but also for talented  willing passionate laois people to coalesce together.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on December 02, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
I see John McEvoy stepped down as Derry Manager,
Has he learnt the trade a bit with that job to be in the picture for our own job now? Johnny McGuirk with him as coach ?

McEvoy with someone like McGuirk, Paddy Stapleton or Niall Williams would be an interesting option.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Zooming around on December 02, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
No I don't think it is. That to me is the biggest lie in all this. That if you seek nomination, and somehow by the grace of God make it through, that you can affect change. That's rubbish. They don't want change. Change would mean new ideas, new ways of doing things, extra fundraising. We should never forget Eddie's words in that interview. There it is. See what you can do. That's not good enough for a senior inter county manager to put up with. You're looking at changing a mindset there as well as everything else.

I'm hoping the next man in isn't just a money grabber. I kinda feel that our system ensures that's all he really can be after Brennan. We can't go on replacing lads who seem to have a real passion for making things better in our county. Some day, we'll have to take a good look at ourselves and ask is it we who are wrong

We can talk all we like about the need for new faces being elected but the one position that needs changing most is not up for election. It doesnít matter if Mickey Lutty or Barack Obama is elected Chairman/vice chairman/delegate Laois GAA is run by one/two person(s) only. One in particular and he hates hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 02, 2020, 10:41:16 AM
As I said earlier


Thereís 12-14 top table positions up,that are up for re-election this year and every year.

There are 3 contests this year at convention

Only 1 new person putting his head up for election

Lads here donít like me saying it,even to the extent of ad hominem attacks

But if you have only new person willing  to go forward and itís not apathy what is it ?


My solution  for the 2021 convention at its too late for 2020

There should be a delegation of us knocking on the likes of pat or cheddars door or some other well respected laois person

Asking them to run as chairperson

This is the key bit

They then over the next few months sound out and get the remaining 10-12 best qualified people in situ to run for all the positions

And when convention time comes around they have a viable alternative Cabinet for want of a better phrase to be elected at convention

This affects a mass clearout of the existing top table

You donít have 1 or 2 going in and getting swallowed up by the existing incumbents,you have a majority of fresh thinking people at the table this way.

The more I think about it through an Independent supporters club is the first step.

Not only to raise money but also for talented  willing passionate laois people to coalesce together.

Isn't that what the CB is meant to be? A collection of our brightest and best minds coming together to do all of the above. Sounds like a breeding ground for conflict to me. Leave them at it. They know best. Always. About everything.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 02, 2020, 10:45:14 AM
No I don't think it is. That to me is the biggest lie in all this. That if you seek nomination, and somehow by the grace of God make it through, that you can affect change. That's rubbish. They don't want change. Change would mean new ideas, new ways of doing things, extra fundraising. We should never forget Eddie's words in that interview. There it is. See what you can do. That's not good enough for a senior inter county manager to put up with. You're looking at changing a mindset there as well as everything else.

I'm hoping the next man in isn't just a money grabber. I kinda feel that our system ensures that's all he really can be after Brennan. We can't go on replacing lads who seem to have a real passion for making things better in our county. Some day, we'll have to take a good look at ourselves and ask is it we who are wrong

We can talk all we like about the need for new faces being elected but the one position that needs changing most is not up for election. It doesnít matter if Mickey Lutty or Barack Obama is elected Chairman/vice chairman/delegate Laois GAA is run by one/two person(s) only. One in particular and he hates hurling.

I'm hearing you Zooming. Unless you want your soul destroyed, my advice would be to steer clear. They don't need or want upstarts telling them how to do things differently. They're doing a wonderful job, and moving chairs every couple of years just makes for continuity of service.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
As I said earlier


Thereís 12-14 top table positions up,that are up for re-election this year and every year.

There are 3 contests this year at convention

Only 1 new person putting his head up for election

Lads here donít like me saying it,even to the extent of ad hominem attacks

But if you have only new person willing  to go forward and itís not apathy what is it ?


My solution  for the 2021 convention at its too late for 2020

There should be a delegation of us knocking on the likes of pat or cheddars door or some other well respected laois person

Asking them to run as chairperson

This is the key bit

They then over the next few months sound out and get the remaining 10-12 best qualified people in situ to run for all the positions

And when convention time comes around they have a viable alternative Cabinet for want of a better phrase to be elected at convention

This affects a mass clearout of the existing top table

You donít have 1 or 2 going in and getting swallowed up by the existing incumbents,you have a majority of fresh thinking people at the table this way.

The more I think about it through an Independent supporters club is the first step.

Not only to raise money but also for talented  willing passionate laois people to coalesce together.

Isn't that what the CB is meant to be? A collection of our brightest and best minds coming together to do all of the above. Sounds like a breeding ground for conflict to me. Leave them at it. They know best. Always. About everything.

Fair enough

Best to do nothing then and just complain on here
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
No I don't think it is. That to me is the biggest lie in all this. That if you seek nomination, and somehow by the grace of God make it through, that you can affect change. That's rubbish. They don't want change. Change would mean new ideas, new ways of doing things, extra fundraising. We should never forget Eddie's words in that interview. There it is. See what you can do. That's not good enough for a senior inter county manager to put up with. You're looking at changing a mindset there as well as everything else.

I'm hoping the next man in isn't just a money grabber. I kinda feel that our system ensures that's all he really can be after Brennan. We can't go on replacing lads who seem to have a real passion for making things better in our county. Some day, we'll have to take a good look at ourselves and ask is it we who are wrong

We can talk all we like about the need for new faces being elected but the one position that needs changing most is not up for election. It doesnít matter if Mickey Lutty or Barack Obama is elected Chairman/vice chairman/delegate Laois GAA is run by one/two person(s) only. One in particular and he hates hurling.

Which position isnít up for election?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 02, 2020, 11:29:34 AM
As I said earlier


Thereís 12-14 top table positions up,that are up for re-election this year and every year.

There are 3 contests this year at convention

Only 1 new person putting his head up for election

Lads here donít like me saying it,even to the extent of ad hominem attacks

But if you have only new person willing  to go forward and itís not apathy what is it ?


My solution  for the 2021 convention at its too late for 2020

There should be a delegation of us knocking on the likes of pat or cheddars door or some other well respected laois person

Asking them to run as chairperson

This is the key bit

They then over the next few months sound out and get the remaining 10-12 best qualified people in situ to run for all the positions

And when convention time comes around they have a viable alternative Cabinet for want of a better phrase to be elected at convention

This affects a mass clearout of the existing top table

You donít have 1 or 2 going in and getting swallowed up by the existing incumbents,you have a majority of fresh thinking people at the table this way.

The more I think about it through an Independent supporters club is the first step.

Not only to raise money but also for talented  willing passionate laois people to coalesce together.

Isn't that what the CB is meant to be? A collection of our brightest and best minds coming together to do all of the above. Sounds like a breeding ground for conflict to me. Leave them at it. They know best. Always. About everything.

Fair enough

Best to do nothing then and just complain on here

Unless you're on the CB or are in the process of putting yourself forward, I'm assuming you are aiming at yourself there too
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 02, 2020, 11:42:00 AM
Getting hard to listen to now ClonadMad.
The first step should be strengthening our Club executives. Same faces running most clubs every year, certainly the same faces going in as CB Delegates.
There is a decent opportunity for Clubs and their delegates to hold the CB a lot more accountable, make sensible demands, organise themselves prior to meetings & conventions so they have back up etc.

There is no point in pretending that any old Joe Soap will go from unknown to CB executive. People vote for familiarity. Itís why the same old faces end up in the DŠil election after election. Itís a game, and there are very few shortcuts. Any of the sudden breakthroughs are high profile/celebrity candidates. The rest will have worked hard locally for years or even decades.

Step 1- Have a look at who your own CB Delegate is? Is it someone thatís there for the last 20 years because they are available and willing?
Is it someone who wants to break onto the CB executive?
Is there someone in your club who has gone from long time delegate to CB executive and now sits there nice & content?

There are sensible, strong & fair minded people needed as delegates. The local media (somewhat understandably) wonít rock the boat with the CB. But they would cover and report a delegate or group of delegates challenging the CB on sensible matters.
The only one I could say I have seen reported as doing this is in a coherent way is Mattie Collier from Camross on a couple of occasions.

To me this would be a much more sensible approach than planning a bloody coup. You wouldnít need a huge campaign or effort to become your clubs CB delegate as a first step.

And to be clear, I donít mean hurling club delegates going in fighting with football club delegates on a monthly basis.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 02, 2020, 11:44:23 AM
No of fence to John McEvoy, and Iím sure he would be someone who would do it for the right reasons, but I think he is currently a tier below where we should be aiming.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2020, 11:54:37 AM
As I said earlier


Thereís 12-14 top table positions up,that are up for re-election this year and every year.

There are 3 contests this year at convention

Only 1 new person putting his head up for election

Lads here donít like me saying it,even to the extent of ad hominem attacks

But if you have only new person willing  to go forward and itís not apathy what is it ?


My solution  for the 2021 convention at its too late for 2020

There should be a delegation of us knocking on the likes of pat or cheddars door or some other well respected laois person

Asking them to run as chairperson

This is the key bit

They then over the next few months sound out and get the remaining 10-12 best qualified people in situ to run for all the positions

And when convention time comes around they have a viable alternative Cabinet for want of a better phrase to be elected at convention

This affects a mass clearout of the existing top table

You donít have 1 or 2 going in and getting swallowed up by the existing incumbents,you have a majority of fresh thinking people at the table this way.

The more I think about it through an Independent supporters club is the first step.

Not only to raise money but also for talented  willing passionate laois people to coalesce together.

Isn't that what the CB is meant to be? A collection of our brightest and best minds coming together to do all of the above. Sounds like a breeding ground for conflict to me. Leave them at it. They know best. Always. About everything.

Fair enough

Best to do nothing then and just complain on here

Unless you're on the CB or are in the process of putting yourself forward, I'm assuming you are aiming at yourself there too

I was a club county board delegate for 2 years,back 6/7 years ago

I presume most including yourself did a stint there at any one time

So I would have a reasonable idea of the log lam and slowness to effect change on your own or even within a small group

Any observations or challenges or questions during monthly meetings were normally kicked to touch by the chair ,top table approach was reactive rather than proactive

Monthly meetings were taken up with the here and now and if you raised anything strategic you were told it wasnít the appropriate forum or they would look into it.

There was very little in terms of outside committees,the juvenile hurling committee is in reality a one man committee

I presume it hasnít changed much in the meantime

And yes I am culpable as well

Probably as much as anyone else on here


Lads might not like it

But sending in one or two well meaning people as delegates is a waste of time

Keyser might find me hard to listen to

But thatís the reality

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 02, 2020, 12:13:21 PM
So there you go. You are living breathing proof that the wheel can't be reinvented. But yet you want others to have a go. It can't be done. There are too many benefitting (and yes I said benefitting) from the staleness. Eddie saw the lack of movement and got out. Sugrue did likewise, and you didn't last at it either. I mean this sincerely when I say fair play for giving it a go. I wouldn't have the patience
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2020, 12:22:38 PM
So there you go. You are living breathing proof that the wheel can't be reinvented. But yet you want others to have a go. It can't be done. There are too many benefitting (and yes I said benefitting) from the staleness. Eddie saw the lack of movement and got out. Sugrue did likewise, and you didn't last at it either. I mean this sincerely when I say fair play for giving it a go. I wouldn't have the patience

You missed my point

Me and Iím not saying I have any or all of the answers to solve it

But I do know sending  in well meaning people in one or twoís as delegates wonít sort it either as they will be picked off as well

Wholesale change is needed

Keyser mightnít like my analogy of a coup but thatís what your looking at if you want to effect change in an 18 month timeframe
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 02, 2020, 12:26:03 PM
As in every other organization, it starts at the top. A progressive leader will bring progress. An unsuitable leader will defend the status quo and disenfranchise the progressives. The profile of our county board and the senior execs is wrong as in most counties. They are not hurling / football people as such but administrators. Unfortunately you don't see too many suitable folks putting their name forward. The likes of Niall Rigney, Pat Critchley, Cheddar and their football equivalents. I'll bet you would get far more ex-intercounty players involved in coaching and organizing if you had people like that in charge. Who would want to volunteer to help a county board that don't understand what it is like to train, manage or play at a high level for your club or county.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 02, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
I didnít say ones or twos.
I suggested each club looks at who hey are sending as delegates.
I suggested some of these people organise themselves between and before meetings.
If something is important enough to raise it is surely possible to convince 5 or 6 other delegates beforehand to back you up etc.

Itís a start.
Itís also possible.

Good luck with the coup.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2020, 12:36:13 PM
I didnít say ones or twos.
I suggested each club looks at who hey are sending as delegates.
I suggested some of these people organise themselves between and before meetings.
If something is important enough to raise it is surely possible to convince 5 or 6 other delegates beforehand to back you up etc.

Itís a start.
Itís also possible.

Good luck with the coup.

Youve been a club delegate then?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 02, 2020, 12:42:46 PM
Youve been a club delegate then?

I havenít actually, but I have attended a number of the monthly meetings.

Have you been an InterCounty hurler?
Or manager?
Or a GDA?
Or a County Secretary?

Because if we are going on this basis, neither you nor I would have much to say on here.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2020, 01:11:52 PM
Youve been a club delegate then?

I havenít actually, but I have attended a number of the monthly meetings.

Have you been an InterCounty hurler?
Or manager?
Or a GDA?
Or a County Secretary?

Because if we are going on this basis, neither you nor I would have much to say on here.

Thatís a first

Someone attending a monthly meeting and they not an appointed delegate

Do you raise any points,make any changes when you were there,any successes

Anyways

your suggestion of 5/6 delegates getting together to effect change before any monthly meeting is a little bit lacking in the reality of what happens

Iíve been part of a group whoíve tried to do that

You will be told

Itís not on the agenda

Itís not the right place

Your taking up valuable time

We will discuss it in committee

Itís not relevant to the meeting at hand,we need to move on

We will discuss this at a later date

My point stands

If you want to effect change,you gut the top table,thatís where the procrastination and inertia resides

down up change isnít an issue

As regards being a Gda or IC Hurler,I donít know what experience of any of these roles has anything  with the current discussion as regards the  lack of good governance within the county
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 02, 2020, 01:26:19 PM
Are you serious??? Not a first at all. Would make me wonder if you ever attended any yourself.

On your other point- Simple logic my friend.
I assume your point was that I couldnít comment on the role of a CB delegate if I hadnít ever been one?
Well I assume this extends to commentating on other areas?
Such as
The needs of an IC hurling set up
The merits of prospective coaches
The ability of CB officials
Etc etc.

Or does it only apply to commenting on CB delegates & monthly meetings? 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on December 02, 2020, 07:13:30 PM
Has anyone checked on Clonadman?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: portlaoisekid on December 02, 2020, 09:38:34 PM
Has anyone checked on Clonadman?
last seen seeking ointment for a bad burn...
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 03, 2020, 08:30:21 AM
I'll tell you where I am with this. Eddie Brennan is the best man right now for the Laois Senior Hurling job. No offence to some of the names being mentioned here, but I've never even heard of some of them. That's ok, I'm not a hurling man, and therefore I'm a little ignorant.

My point is this. Eddie Brennan and John Sugrue before him actually gave a f**k about Laois. We know this through what they said and what they did. If we couldn't give them what they wanted, we owed it to ourselves, if we believed in them and wanted to improve, to try and get them what they required. If that goes outside of the budget, then we fundraise or we turn to Laois Gaels.

I'll tell you what I see. I see a golf day and a day at Punchestown and an opportunity for all the hangers on to say aren't we great fellas, and meanwhile, what I really care about, our players, are going to be thrown to some mercenary either trying to make his name or a quick buck. Brennan and Sugrue wanted neither. They wanted commitment from their players, and in return, they would try their best to create the conditions around them to make them happy. Cheddar did the same out of his own pocket. These are people I will invest in every day of the week.

So to whatever Paddy Me Arse comes in next, good luck to you. Your first job will be to pick up the pieces. Great start. In an ideal world, you won't even get an interview, because the Laois CB will have done the right thing, gone back to Brennan, and say how can we make this work. You know like adults do when you fall out sometimes. Ha!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on December 03, 2020, 08:53:07 AM
Brennan going to Cuala seemingly
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 03, 2020, 09:00:53 AM
If that's true Batman, that would just about say everything. A Dublin club with more resources available to them.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 03, 2020, 09:02:19 AM
Are you serious??? Not a first at all. Would make me wonder if you ever attended any yourself.

On your other point- Simple logic my friend.
I assume your point was that I couldnít comment on the role of a CB delegate if I hadnít ever been one?
Well I assume this extends to commentating on other areas?
Such as
The needs of an IC hurling set up
The merits of prospective coaches
The ability of CB officials
Etc etc.

Or does it only apply to commenting on CB delegates & monthly meetings?

Is anyone stopping you from commenting on other topics

Iím not

Iíve spoken on all those topics also

Iíll even give another one to discuss,

The current capacity of OMP is still,I think is  22,000,there was a couple of million euros  spent on it to get it up to 26,000 which would allow it to get slightly larger games,generate more money for both laois and businesses.

Back in 2018 Everything completed and all it needed to be done was the final walkthrough before it was signed off and the capacity increased.

A formality but a box that had to be ticked nonetheless

Various stakeholders present,but it was raining and the Chairman said there was no point in getting out of his car and they could come back and do it another day.

How did people hear about it ?

When it was brought up at a meeting 7/8 months later as to why we werenít getting games and being sent to the likes of kilkenny etc

The chair told that story himself

Laugh away lads but the laughs on us all
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on December 03, 2020, 09:21:55 AM
Canít beat some fake news on a Thursday morning. Youíve gone 360 now with your stories.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 03, 2020, 09:28:53 AM
Canít beat some fake news on a Thursday morning. Youíve gone 360 now with your stories.

How is it fake news when it was said at a county board meeting?.

Any of ye wanted to make a stab as to the excuse as to why championship games aren't played outside of OMP





Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 03, 2020, 09:54:49 AM
Is anyone stopping you from commenting on other topics

Iím not

Iíve spoken on all those topics also

Christ talk about missing the point. At least others seemed to get it.

Anyways, Cuala would be any interesting move for Brennan, but I donít think Corcoran would be allowed join him there?
Iíd have expected them to stick together.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 03, 2020, 11:04:48 AM
Canít beat some fake news on a Thursday morning. Youíve gone 360 now with your stories.

How is it fake news when it was said at a county board meeting?.

Any of ye wanted to make a stab as to the excuse as to why championship games aren't played outside of OMP

Not enough parking for all the hangers on? They don't have the right tea bags? Endless possibilities.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on December 03, 2020, 11:21:53 PM
Eddie likes the cash. As I said earlier heís the new Cuala coach
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 04, 2020, 07:16:14 AM
Maybe he fancies the Dublin job at some point, because it remains one of the only puzzles yet to be solved. And then long term, the obvious one.

If Eddie was getting a ball of cash off Laois, then that just shows you the mentality of our CB. Here, you're a big name with All Ireland medals, maybe you can make us better. And if you can't, well look, we got the best man we could. It's so feeble trying to discredit Eddie Brennan with the CV he has in the game. That's so Laois. It just underlines what I thought all along. For his own sake, he was better off walking.

Good to see the Laois bitterness is alive and well. Eddie loves the cash. Look how much money Eddie was spending. I didn't hear any of this before that interview broke.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 04, 2020, 07:36:02 AM
Stunned re Cheddar.
Absolutely stunned.
They say you shouldnít go back. Hopefully not the case here.
Youíd expect he had a strong bargaining position, and you can be sure he drove a good deal (in terms of resources available etc).

Hopefully itís true.
All wrapped up quickly.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: High Fielder on December 04, 2020, 07:45:49 AM
I doubt he would know how to turn it down in fairness. What a man. Hopefully all the players step up now.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: burdizzo on December 04, 2020, 07:54:07 AM
Yes, Keyser, all a bit too quickly?
I'm surprised, as well. I remember lads in here calling for him to go before. Seemingly the players like it, though, so... At least he'll be there for the right reasons. Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: on the hop on December 04, 2020, 08:04:20 AM
Stunned re Cheddar.
Absolutely stunned.
They say you shouldnít go back. Hopefully not the case here.
Youíd expect he had a strong bargaining position, and you can be sure he drove a good deal (in terms of resources available etc).

Hopefully itís true.
All wrapped up quickly.

More important is who is actually with him
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on December 04, 2020, 08:10:19 AM
Is it true Niall Corcoran staying on with him?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Batman!!! on December 04, 2020, 08:39:30 AM
An election stunt by the current chairman I would be thinking.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Keyser SŲze on December 04, 2020, 08:57:49 AM
Is it true Niall Corcoran staying on with him?

There was talk that himself & Tommy were keen to stay on. Thereíd be a very strong relationship there between Tommy & Cheddar. Iím fairly certain that Corcoran canít join him at Cuala in any case.

Hard to see Cheddar being a patsy for the current Chairman or anyone else. If anything his hand is strengthened from the last time given how the last few weeks have gone.

You can be guaranteed one thing (and itís not a dig at anyone), there will be one less person paid next year.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Helix. on December 04, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Niall Corcoran still a GDA with Kilmacud Crokes so I imagine thereís something stopping working for a rival club.
Welcome news this morning re: Cheddar. Credit to Eamon Jackman and committee for getting appointment confirmed quickly.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Chrimtain on December 04, 2020, 09:58:50 AM
Delighted to see Cheddar back. Hopefully the upward trend for the hurlers can be continued.
 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: HURLING1 on December 04, 2020, 10:07:20 AM
Feeling a lot of anger and disappointment at the loss of Eddie  Brennan but absolutely delighted with the new appointment  and in my opinion the best man for the job.
Not just great for the Senior set up but great for hurling in general throughout the County.
I know some posters here had huge negativity  towards him before but hopefully all will get behind him.
And I know its wishful thinking but if we could  encourage the 5 or 6 top players back into the County panel I have no doubt we could be very competitive.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 04, 2020, 10:54:17 AM
Holy god. Cheddar. Some man. After the dejection and disillusionment he must have felt working with the county board the last time to come back is amazing. I hope he gets a strong team around him as Eddie had. No better man to find resources too.

This is brilliant news of course.

The Messiah returns, again.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: redsetanta on December 04, 2020, 11:02:59 AM
I have huge respect and admiration for Cheddar because he doesn't do this for himself he does it for Laois hurling. A selfless man, in fact it will probably cost him to manage the county.
He knows the importance of a successful senior county team and he will use that going round schools etc to raise interest in the game. An astute reader of the game and always looking to learn. I wonder could he coax Michael Dempsey in with him. I would say there are plenty who would be willing to work with Cheddar because they know they will get honesty of effort.
He has a much better panel to work with this time round as well. The young minors he had are bigger and better.

Delighted to see him back and in light of where we could have been this is great news.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: seafoid on December 04, 2020, 11:10:03 AM
I really hope that Laois can kick on with Cheddar. It would be a disaster if the county went backwards after the progress of the last 2 years.
Laoid must capitalise on the fact that Offaly are currently banjaxed.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: merman on December 04, 2020, 11:15:51 AM
A wonderful appointment.
I'm thrilled for Cheddar himself as I'm sure he will feel he has unfinished business.
I'd also expect him to be a very popular appointment with the players. If tentative talk of a Supporters Group gains traction; he is the type of manager that will galvanise support across the hurling fraternity in Laois.

Thinking back to his previous tenure, he was very unlucky going into his last year.
My memory may be hazy but I think he lost Joe Fitz, Tommy Fitz, John A Delaney and Brian Stapleton to retirement in the close season.
Tom Delaney did his cruciate and I think Ciaran Collier, Joe Campion, Paddy Whelan and Zane Keenan all stepped away.
(Apologies if I'm misremembering specifics here.)

You are realistically looking at half a team there and with the retirees; some of our best ever hurlers and real leaders in the dressing room.
The feeling was that Cheddar was looking to develop his 'sweeper' system to be more progressive (especially with some of his minor players coming through strongly) and then he had to almost restart with a severely weakened hand. I think some posters felt we had stagnated but on reflection, I'm sure all objective supporters would say that his time here was hugely positive.

The Clare game proved that we have hurlers who can compete. I wouldn't view that performance as positively as some on here but we look to have players with the skillset to implement a game plan that Cheddar would like.
He's not in it for the short-term, he's not using us as a stepping-stone; I would be very hopeful that we will see improvements but we will also see minimum standards maintained and enhanced; hopefully as younger players filter into the set-up, we will start to close the gap to the tiers above.

I'd love to see Corcoran and Tommy Fitz stay involved and I would also like to see Eamon Jackman part of the management team. He is an excellent coach by all accounts and I feel he would bring something to the table.
I'm sure our backroom set-up is one of the smallest around. If we could support it by bringing in some more Laois people, we are likely to improve our set-up whilst keeping costs in-check.

An election stunt by the current chairman I would be thinking.
Seeing as the closing date for receipt of ballots is today; I suspect not.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on December 04, 2020, 11:27:47 AM
The good thing to come out of all of this is Cheddar back & Merman back!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on December 04, 2020, 12:29:45 PM
Well well. Cheddar is back? Is it confirmed?

Certainly a good appointment if so. He will no doubt lack passion and ambition which is exactly what Laois hurling needs right now.

'Cometh the hour, cometh the man'
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 04, 2020, 05:31:26 PM
I bow to no one in my admiration of Cheddar and all he has done for hurling in this county.

I hope he has driven a hard bargain with the county board as regards nailed on commitments to what resources he needs because he has been let down by them both in relation to his grand plan for hurling in the county and also during his previous tenure.

The reality is that,given all thatís gone on,any credible candidate outside the county was going to give it a swerve and Cheddar has taken the top table out of a hole

I hope they appreciate it with deeds and not words

Nearly all second bites of the inter county managerial cherry end in disaster

I hope he bucks this trend and I look forward to seeing his backroom team

One final wish,will the lads refusing to commit please realize how close we are to the likes of Clare and please please please get on board.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: G@@ on December 04, 2020, 11:58:37 PM
I really hope that Laois can kick on with Cheddar. It would be a disaster if the county went backwards after the progress of the last 2 years.
Laoid must capitalise on the fact that Offaly are currently banjaxed.

Worst case scenario is Laois stagnate under Cheddar, which I doubt will happen. Cheddar certainly won't want to allow Laois to slide back into Joe McDonagh under his tenure which I think many of the hard-core Laois hurling supporters really feared if a "journey-man" was appointed.

Even if Laois were to stagnate, that would mean solidifying 5th place out of 6th in Leinster and giving a Munster also-ran a decent game. As for the League, I would hope to stay in 1B and that may be the tougher of the two competition aspirations.

Finally, regarding Offaly - their downfall has led to the likes of Galway being hired in to uphold a Leinster Hurling Championship that Kilkenny dominated 2000-2010. I certainly don't like to see them fall from grace so hard, despite all the heartbreak they served us in the last forty years. Funnily enough, I don't see Kerry being hired in to uphold a Leinster Football Championship against a very similar situation... wonder why?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: Ogie on December 05, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
Rumours (only rumours) of Cheddar getting Mick Dempsey on board with Niall Corcoran staying on, Brendan Bugler also ?
Would be impressive, Iíd be delighted to see Corcoran stay on
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
Post by: clonadmad on December 05, 2020, 10:40:15 PM
Rumours (only rumours) of Cheddar getting Mick Dempsey on board with Niall Corcoran staying on, Brendan Bugler also ?
Would be impressive, Iíd be delighted to see Corcoran stay on

Fingers crossed if that was the case

An excellent mix