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Title: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 25, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
Have to say David Clifford greatest player of our generation.   A common theme is lack of protection from referees. Same again tonight,  could buy a free .We never get the big calls in games. Should referees be doing more to protect David Clifford?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: From the Bunker on January 25, 2020, 11:43:05 PM
No!

Close the thread!
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: yellowcard on January 25, 2020, 11:45:14 PM
Heís over 6 foot and well built, if he was a slender 5í8 19 year old you might have a point. So in a word no.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 26, 2020, 12:05:48 AM
No!

Close the thread!

He not like a Andy Moran who just fell over and got the handy free all the time.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: bannside on January 26, 2020, 12:18:32 AM
Agree. Close the thread. Anyway.... Brian Fenton is the most complete player in the game atm and has been for about 3 or 4 years. Clifford is a class act though, not disputing that for a second.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: larryin89 on January 26, 2020, 12:15:32 PM
Just after watching the way the dubs went for him at the final whistle , pure dirt , cant cope with the fact there is no player in Dublin set up near as skilful . Rave all ya want about the great dubl8n side and I agree but they have never had a top skills player like Clifford , gooch, Joyce ,McDonald .
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: fearsiuil on January 26, 2020, 12:27:01 PM


Very bad form from Howard going at Clifford after last equalising free, he was also trying to conduct the referee all night along with McCarthy and Philly. Philly with 2 red card acts last night but is still hard done by. Great entertainment in fairness, people online giving out about ref need to look at what their own players are up to - Gaelic football is a near impossible game to referee when every trick in the book being used to slow down play, lads running at free taker before striking ball etc. Thought Hurson dealt firmly with what looked to me to be mainly Dublin player excessive complaining.

Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: yellowcard on January 26, 2020, 12:41:01 PM
Just after watching the way the dubs went for him at the final whistle , pure dirt , cant cope with the fact there is no player in Dublin set up near as skilful . Rave all ya want about the great dubl8n side and I agree but they have never had a top skills player like Clifford , gooch, Joyce ,McDonald .

Diarmuid Connolly.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: larryin89 on January 26, 2020, 01:37:37 PM
Just after watching the way the dubs went for him at the final whistle , pure dirt , cant cope with the fact there is no player in Dublin set up near as skilful . Rave all ya want about the great dubl8n side and I agree but they have never had a top skills player like Clifford , gooch, Joyce ,McDonald .

Diarmuid Connolly.

Fair point
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: From the Bunker on January 26, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
Just after watching the way the dubs went for him at the final whistle , pure dirt , cant cope with the fact there is no player in Dublin set up near as skilful . Rave all ya want about the great dubl8n side and I agree but they have never had a top skills player like Clifford , gooch, Joyce ,McDonald .

Diarmuid Connolly.

Fair point

Bernard Brogan, Alan Brogan
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: larryin89 on January 26, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
Not as complete as skilful as Clifford imo
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Halfquarter on January 26, 2020, 01:53:46 PM
Just after watching the way the dubs went for him at the final whistle , pure dirt , cant cope with the fact there is no player in Dublin set up near as skilful . Rave all ya want about the great dubl8n side and I agree but they have never had a top skills player like Clifford , gooch, Joyce ,McDonald .

Diarmuid Connolly.

Fair point

Really loved the skill of Clifford the way he sold his dummies and glided through the Dublin defence. A world away  from the ĎWarrenballí type of dummies being sold by the muscle bound  teams that are all in vogue nowadays.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: joemamas on January 26, 2020, 01:56:37 PM
No!

Close the thread!

+1

Also please stop the idiot who has multiple names

The greatest
Kerryforsams
Kingdom 37


From starting a thread on here
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: From the Bunker on January 26, 2020, 02:03:48 PM


Very bad form from Howard going at Clifford after last equalising free, he was also trying to conduct the referee all night along with McCarthy and Philly. Philly with 2 red card acts last night but is still hard done by. Great entertainment in fairness, people online giving out about ref need to look at what their own players are up to - Gaelic football is a near impossible game to referee when every trick in the book being used to slow down play, lads running at free taker before striking ball etc. Thought Hurson dealt firmly with what looked to me to be mainly Dublin player excessive complaining.

Welcome to top level intercounty football! The referee is there to be influenced! Dublin have the greater influence and they are naturally going to use it. 
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on January 26, 2020, 02:10:36 PM
Heís over 6 foot and well built, if he was a slender 5í8 19 year old you might have a point. So in a word no.
Doesn't matter what size he is, and it shouldn't be used against him.  A foul is a foul.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 26, 2020, 02:26:52 PM
No!

Close the thread!

+1

Also please stop the idiot who has multiple names

The greatest
Kerryforsams
Kingdom 37


From starting a thread on here

Go away and please stop trolling.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 26, 2020, 02:28:42 PM
Heís over 6 foot and well built, if he was a slender 5í8 19 year old you might have a point. So in a word no.
Doesn't matter what size he is, and it shouldn't be used against him.  A foul is a foul.

100%
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: rosnarun on January 27, 2020, 11:11:34 AM
He’s over 6 foot and well built, if he was a slender 5’8 19 year old you might have a point. So in a word no.
Doesn't matter what size he is, and it shouldn't be used against him.  A foul is a foul.

100%
I don't see why not protect Clifford , if Michael murphy can be treated like the baby Jesus by Referees  then why not Clifford
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: TheGreatest on January 27, 2020, 10:11:12 PM
No!

Close the thread!

+1

Also please stop the idiot who has multiple names

The greatest
Kerryforsams
Kingdom 37


From starting a thread on here

 ::)

Again, i am happy for the Mods to verify my identity.

Clifford will get this treatment for the next 10-14 years. Get used to it, all great players got it and will always get it.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: lurganblue on January 28, 2020, 09:14:54 AM
Heís over 6 foot and well built, if he was a slender 5í8 19 year old you might have a point. So in a word no.
Doesn't matter what size he is, and it shouldn't be used against him.  A foul is a foul.

100%

Aidan O'Shea used to get some amount of treatment in FF when deployed there in the big games years ago.  Couldn't buy a free.  The narrative was always sure he's big enough to take it.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 09, 2020, 03:51:09 PM
Disgraceful referee performance from Fergal Kelly. Total bottle job sending off Clifford and cost kerry the game.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: From the Bunker on February 09, 2020, 04:08:51 PM
Clifford is playing with the Big Boys now! They know he's good and he's young. There will be more ahead of him.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 09, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
Disgraceful referee performance from Fergal Kelly. Total bottle job sending off Clifford and cost kerry the game.
100% Referee was a complete watery shite, Clifford clearly did nothing wrong and it didnt even show you what he got his first booking for either. This total cop out of refs giving both lads cards needs to be addressed. Time for refs to grow a set and for umpires who actually have a clue about the game to be assigned and not because theyre the refs pal or family member.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyCake on February 09, 2020, 04:22:49 PM
Just after watching the way the dubs went for him at the final whistle , pure dirt , cant cope with the fact there is no player in Dublin set up near as skilful . Rave all ya want about the great dubl8n side and I agree but they have never had a top skills player like Clifford , gooch, Joyce ,McDonald .

Diarmuid Connolly.

I assume thatís the bit youíre linking Connolly too. It certainly ainít the top skills bit.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: shantygael on February 09, 2020, 04:27:31 PM
Just after watching the way the dubs went for him at the final whistle , pure dirt , cant cope with the fact there is no player in Dublin set up near as skilful . Rave all ya want about the great dubl8n side and I agree but they have never had a top skills player like Clifford , gooch, Joyce ,McDonald .

Diarmuid Connolly.

I assume thatís the bit youíre linking Connolly too. It certainly ainít the top skills bit.
Mc keever comes to mind for me whenever those two words  are seen together.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 09, 2020, 04:36:23 PM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final. 
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyCake on February 09, 2020, 04:38:52 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 09, 2020, 04:51:42 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
McShane done well not to react
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: larryin89 on February 09, 2020, 04:54:05 PM
Do Tyrone people ever wonder why itís always them involved in the big controversy, the off the ball sh ite etc. Why donít ye just go and play football
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 09, 2020, 04:56:28 PM
Do Tyrone people ever wonder why itís always them involved in the big controversy, the off the ball sh ite etc. Why donít ye just go and play football

We only respond when itís about Tyrone but in case you hadnít noticed this shit happens in every game. Was what happened to Clifford today any worse than half the Dublin team ripping his jersey off a few weeks ago?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyrone08 on February 09, 2020, 05:03:11 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
McShane done well not to react

Ah you see as its done to a tyrone player no one seems to care. As soon as a tyrone defender does it everyone is up in arms
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 09, 2020, 05:06:39 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyrone08 on February 09, 2020, 05:08:06 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

Ah constantly shouldering an man off the ball when kerry do it is called laying down a marker. When anyone else does it is called cynical. Gotta.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 09, 2020, 05:11:56 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

Ah constantly shouldering an man off the ball when kerry do it is called laying down a marker. When anyone else does it is called cynical. Gotta.

Theyíre some boyos Kerry fans arenít they
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Throw ball on February 09, 2020, 05:13:56 PM
The footage I saw would suggest that the Tyrone player was the aggressor. I have no idea why Harte was sent off.  Last night there were handbags at halftime in the Armagh v Kildare game. Numerous players were involved yet Jamie Clarke is the only one to get a yellow -and it didn't start with him and I havent seen what he did. For his second yellow the Kildare player appealed to the linesman to get him sent off. 3 of the best players in the country and they get no protection. I am sure other counties see the same with their best players. These are the players you want to see. Not the diving mouthy players that always seem to walk away without censure.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 09, 2020, 05:14:40 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

Ah constantly shouldering an man off the ball when kerry do it is called laying down a marker. When anyone else does it is called cynical. Gotta.
Didnt  see any off the ball shouldering from our lads
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 09, 2020, 05:20:06 PM
ďLaying down a markerĒ ? Jesus wept! Are you seriously complaining about Clifford not getting protection then come out with this shit?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 09, 2020, 05:24:26 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

Ah constantly shouldering an man off the ball when kerry do it is called laying down a marker. When anyone else does it is called cynical. Gotta.
Didnt  see any off the ball shouldering from our lads

Did you actually read your own post in this before you quoted it
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: hardstation on February 09, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
Do Tyrone people ever wonder why itís always them involved in the big controversy, the off the ball sh ite etc. Why donít ye just go and play football
Itís not though. Dublin were involved the last time. If anything, Kerry & Clifford are the common denominators.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: RedHand88 on February 09, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
Do Tyrone people ever wonder why itís always them involved in the big controversy, the off the ball sh ite etc. Why donít ye just go and play football
Itís not though. Dublin were involved the last time. If anything, Kerry & Clifford are the common denominators.
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

Laying down a marker!!

Jesus would you look at the state of this!!  ;D ;D

You boys are fairly rattled the day. Don't like losing to them aul nordies do ye?  ;)
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on February 09, 2020, 05:55:53 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

The epitome of sanctimony, right there!
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 09, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Do Tyrone people ever wonder why itís always them involved in the big controversy, the off the ball sh ite etc. Why donít ye just go and play football
Itís not though. Dublin were involved the last time. If anything, Kerry & Clifford are the common denominators.
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

Laying down a marker!!

Jesus would you look at the state of this!!  ;D ;D

You boys are fairly rattled the day. Don't like losing to them aul nordies do ye?  ;)

Only horrified challenge game. Our lads in middle of heavy training.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 09, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Do Tyrone people ever wonder why itís always them involved in the big controversy, the off the ball sh ite etc. Why donít ye just go and play football
Itís not though. Dublin were involved the last time. If anything, Kerry & Clifford are the common denominators.
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

Laying down a marker!!

Jesus would you look at the state of this!!  ;D ;D

You boys are fairly rattled the day. Don't like losing to them aul nordies do ye?  ;)

Only horrified challenge game. Our lads in middle of heavy training.

My apologies for replying to you earlier. I hadnít realised you were twelve.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyroneman on February 09, 2020, 07:20:56 PM
Kerry no 2 battered McShane when he came on too.
Jason Foley done nothing wrong.  He was just laying down a marker getting into McShane head. Didnt resort to the thuggery which Clifford was subjected to.

The epitome of sanctimony, right there!

Some craic alright.

All teams are at it.

The cameramen very clearly focused on Kerry #2 shoving and elbowing McShane in the back right after coming on - McShane had the wit not to react.

Anyone who thinks there was no wrong doing in that should maybe rewind the game and have another look.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: trailer on February 09, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Think he was booked for diving. Thatís the information I have anyway.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: gallsman on February 09, 2020, 10:19:51 PM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final.

Is Petey Harte an innocent victim every time he gets himself sent off?

The man walks off a pitch early ever fecking summer.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final.

Is Petey Harte an innocent victim every time he gets himself sent off?

The man walks off a pitch early ever fecking summer.

He's very hard done by, if you saw the abuse he was setting from Tom O'Sullivan and Sean O'Shea in the AI semi final last year right under the nose of Deegan and nothing done about it then you'd have to say he gets no protection from referees.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyrone08 on February 09, 2020, 10:32:23 PM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final.

Is Petey Harte an innocent victim every time he gets himself sent off?

The man walks off a pitch early ever fecking summer.

He's very hard done by, if you saw the abuse he was setting from Tom O'Sullivan and Sean O'Shea in the AI semi final last year right under the nose of Deegan and nothing done about it then you'd have to say he gets no protection from referees.

We should start a message board about protecting petey harte like the kerry lads do for their players 😅
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: hardstation on February 09, 2020, 10:35:53 PM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 09, 2020, 10:49:36 PM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final.

Is Petey Harte an innocent victim every time he gets himself sent off?

The man walks off a pitch early ever fecking summer.

He's very hard done by, if you saw the abuse he was setting from Tom O'Sullivan and Sean O'Shea in the AI semi final last year right under the nose of Deegan and nothing done about it then you'd have to say he gets no protection from referees.

Tom Sullivan and Seanie Shea 2 of the best footballers you ever see. They wouldn't engage in that dung.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 09, 2020, 10:53:32 PM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

I agree, the ref went with his umpires though, forwards can be cute hoors also, conning a ref is standard. From the footage Iíd have black carded the Tyrone lad. I donít do the two yellows card thing, unless itís actually two yellows!

Youíve instigators and retaliatory fouls which will result in yellows or worse. But Iíll generally dismiss second yellows or hop balls even.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: thewobbler on February 09, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
So much dung been hurled on this thread. It reflects the absolute nonsense that the officials put on show for us.... and really highlights again that GAA folks only want rules to be applied when theyíre in their favour.

óó

Itís time we take a long hard look at what we want Gaelic Football to be.

If we want it to be an manly, aggressive pursuit, then referees need to be persuaded/ forced to allow a manly and aggressive amount of shenanigans without fear of being marked down by assessors.

The problem with the current directives is that they absolutely encourage the blight that is cheating. When forwards know theyíll get a free for any contact at top speed, they will fall over with ease. When defenders know that they can get their man booked for wrestling, they will wrestle. When anyone going down knows that holding their head will force a stoppage, they will hold their head regardless of the contact area.

Iíve always disliked hurling but f**k me I envy the spirit that game is played in. And how it is refereed is the main reason for that spirit.



Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyCake on February 09, 2020, 11:50:33 PM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final.

Is Petey Harte an innocent victim every time he gets himself sent off?

The man walks off a pitch early ever fecking summer.

Heís fecked up my FF team. Shouldíve stayed on honeymoon!
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 10, 2020, 06:30:38 AM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final.

Is Petey Harte an innocent victim every time he gets himself sent off?

The man walks off a pitch early ever fecking summer.

He may not always be innocent but he most definitely isnít always the aggressor.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: AFM on February 10, 2020, 07:50:48 AM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

In which case why punish both?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: RedHand88 on February 10, 2020, 07:57:35 AM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final.

Is Petey Harte an innocent victim every time he gets himself sent off?

The man walks off a pitch early ever fecking summer.

He's very hard done by, if you saw the abuse he was setting from Tom O'Sullivan and Sean O'Shea in the AI semi final last year right under the nose of Deegan and nothing done about it then you'd have to say he gets no protection from referees.

Tom Sullivan and Seanie Shea 2 of the best footballers you ever see. They wouldn't engage in that dung.

They did though. It's all on camera. Go back and watch it. You can't deny it.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: nrico2006 on February 10, 2020, 08:14:16 AM
I donít know what Clifford or Harte did but Refs have to start having an element of common sense. The likes of Clifford and Harte arenít going around hitting people for no reason. These are the players we want to see on the pitch, not the dirty f**kers who are pulling and dragging them all over the place. By the way though, if Kerry lads are whinging about refs costing you games, Iíd suggest you should watch last years all Ireland semi final.

Is Petey Harte an innocent victim every time he gets himself sent off?

The man walks off a pitch early ever fecking summer.

He's very hard done by, if you saw the abuse he was setting from Tom O'Sullivan and Sean O'Shea in the AI semi final last year right under the nose of Deegan and nothing done about it then you'd have to say he gets no protection from referees.

Tom Sullivan and Seanie Shea 2 of the best footballers you ever see. They wouldn't engage in that dung.

They did though. It's all on camera. Go back and watch it. You can't deny it.

How many red cards has Peter Harte had in championship?  I wouldn't say he has too many.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: nrico2006 on February 10, 2020, 08:19:28 AM
The footage I saw would suggest that the Tyrone player was the aggressor. I have no idea why Harte was sent off.  Last night there were handbags at halftime in the Armagh v Kildare game. Numerous players were involved yet Jamie Clarke is the only one to get a yellow -and it didn't start with him and I havent seen what he did. For his second yellow the Kildare player appealed to the linesman to get him sent off. 3 of the best players in the country and they get no protection. I am sure other counties see the same with their best players. These are the players you want to see. Not the diving mouthy players that always seem to walk away without censure.

What footage did you see?  Could you share a link?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 10, 2020, 08:54:29 AM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.
This is the thing.
For all the outrage about the Clifford sending off, how many people seen how the incident actually started?
Clifford may be innocent and hard done by, but equally he could have grabbed mcdonalds shirt first which resulted in the wrestling.
The TV footage doesn't show it from the start.
Just because he threw his hands out at the end doesn't make him completely innocent.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 10, 2020, 09:10:50 AM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

I agree, the ref went with his umpires though, forwards can be cute hoors also, conning a ref is standard. From the footage Iíd have black carded the Tyrone lad. I donít do the two yellows card thing, unless itís actually two yellows!

Youíve instigators and retaliatory fouls which will result in yellows or worse. But Iíll generally dismiss second yellows or hop balls even.

Is there other footage going around? On the footage I've seen none of it showed who started it. They both stumble into screen with fists full of each others shirts.  So if you, as a ref turned around and saw the two guys wrestling you'd just book one? ref can only act on what he saw or the Umpires tell him.

Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2020, 09:55:47 AM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

I agree, the ref went with his umpires though, forwards can be cute hoors also, conning a ref is standard. From the footage Iíd have black carded the Tyrone lad. I donít do the two yellows card thing, unless itís actually two yellows!

Youíve instigators and retaliatory fouls which will result in yellows or worse. But Iíll generally dismiss second yellows or hop balls even.

Is there other footage going around? On the footage I've seen none of it showed who started it. They both stumble into screen with fists full of each others shirts.  So if you, as a ref turned around and saw the two guys wrestling you'd just book one? ref can only act on what he saw or the Umpires tell him.

I can only call what I see, if the umpires see something different then you consult them, again you don't have to go with their call and they can't tell you its a yellow card offence, they can only tell you what happened, but as I said on the footage that we all seen, the Tyrone lad looked like he wrestled him to the ground, black card offence. grabbing shirts is not an offence, whoever pulled who to the ground takes the card
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 10, 2020, 09:58:41 AM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

I agree, the ref went with his umpires though, forwards can be cute hoors also, conning a ref is standard. From the footage Iíd have black carded the Tyrone lad. I donít do the two yellows card thing, unless itís actually two yellows!

Youíve instigators and retaliatory fouls which will result in yellows or worse. But Iíll generally dismiss second yellows or hop balls even.

Is there other footage going around? On the footage I've seen none of it showed who started it. They both stumble into screen with fists full of each others shirts.  So if you, as a ref turned around and saw the two guys wrestling you'd just book one? ref can only act on what he saw or the Umpires tell him.

I can only call what I see, if the umpires see something different then you consult them, again you don't have to go with their call and they can't tell you its a yellow card offence, they can only tell you what happened, but as I said on the footage that we all seen, the Tyrone lad looked like he wrestled him to the ground, black card offence. grabbing shirts is not an offence, whoever pulled who to the ground takes the card

The footage shows the two of them wrestling and falling to the ground where McDonnell then pins him. It doesn't show you who went and grabbed who first so it's inconclusive in that way. It would make sense that Clifford wouldn't have engaged it already being on a yellow but that is being presumptive as we don't have footage of what happened.

You could make similar presumptive conclusions about Peter Harte's second yellow.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 10, 2020, 10:03:56 AM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

I agree, the ref went with his umpires though, forwards can be cute hoors also, conning a ref is standard. From the footage Iíd have black carded the Tyrone lad. I donít do the two yellows card thing, unless itís actually two yellows!

Youíve instigators and retaliatory fouls which will result in yellows or worse. But Iíll generally dismiss second yellows or hop balls even.

Is there other footage going around? On the footage I've seen none of it showed who started it. They both stumble into screen with fists full of each others shirts.  So if you, as a ref turned around and saw the two guys wrestling you'd just book one? ref can only act on what he saw or the Umpires tell him.

I can only call what I see, if the umpires see something different then you consult them, again you don't have to go with their call and they can't tell you its a yellow card offence, they can only tell you what happened, but as I said on the footage that we all seen, the Tyrone lad looked like he wrestled him to the ground, black card offence. grabbing shirts is not an offence, whoever pulled who to the ground takes the card
If that's the correct interpretation of the rules then I don't know what to say. They were both wrestling, but because Clifford hit the ground it's a black card? Maybe I've been away from playing the game too long but that seems nonsense to me.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Taylor on February 10, 2020, 10:05:40 AM
This problem has existed for a long time - the only reason it is getting more airtime is because it was Clifford but hopefully this will mean it is stamped out.

While the issue occurs and referees punish both lads teams will take advantage of it. Why wouldnt they?

To me it was clear as day what we had done - it isnt right but if it going to benefit the team why wouldnt we?

All of the top teams use the current implementation of the rules to their advantage
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 10, 2020, 10:31:43 AM
It's a bit disingenuous to say that the forward or 'star player' would never instigate these type of off the ball tussles. Loads of times through the years I have heard people encouraging forwards who are being closely marked to start a wrestling match which will result in the forward and defender being booked, and the defender subsequently has to take a slight step off.

This doesn't apply to the Clifford case yesterday as he was already on a yellow, but my point is the referee shouldn't just automatically assume that the defender always instigates this stuff
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: TheGreatest on February 10, 2020, 10:46:56 AM
A masterful exhibition of the dark arts. It worked. Good tough game that.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: timmyot501 on February 10, 2020, 10:48:47 AM
Ref should have gone over, spoke to the two of them.  Said cop on and play away.  Was there much in it really??  Didn't warrent a man getting the line anyway.  Get the umpires then to keep a better eye on them for the following 5 mins and if it continues then there can be no complaints

What was Cliffords first yellow for anyway?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Taylor on February 10, 2020, 10:56:53 AM
Ref should have gone over, spoke to the two of them.  Said cop on and play away.  Was there much in it really?? Didn't warrent a man getting the line anyway.  Get the umpires then to keep a better eye on them for the following 5 mins and if it continues then there can be no complaints

What was Cliffords first yellow for anyway?

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the decision you cannot decide not to book a player because he is already on a yellow.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: five points on February 10, 2020, 10:57:05 AM
What was Cliffords first yellow for anyway?

Verbals to the ref apparently.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: five points on February 10, 2020, 10:57:42 AM
Ref should have gone over, spoke to the two of them.  Said cop on and play away.  Was there much in it really?? Didn't warrent a man getting the line anyway.  Get the umpires then to keep a better eye on them for the following 5 mins and if it continues then there can be no complaints

What was Cliffords first yellow for anyway?

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the decision you cannot decide not to book a player because he is already on a yellow.

In theory. But it happens all the time.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Main Street on February 10, 2020, 11:58:08 AM
Ref should have gone over, spoke to the two of them.  Said cop on and play away.  Was there much in it really??  Didn't warrent a man getting the line anyway.  Get the umpires then to keep a better eye on them for the following 5 mins and if it continues then there can be no complaints

What was Cliffords first yellow for anyway?
The ref gave him the yc after he highlighted just how long the Tyrone goalie was taking with his kicks. And Clifford is the captain, but perhaps they need an older head as captain. One who isnít surprised that a ref can be a total gobshŪte.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: lenny on February 10, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Ref should have gone over, spoke to the two of them.  Said cop on and play away.  Was there much in it really??  Didn't warrent a man getting the line anyway.  Get the umpires then to keep a better eye on them for the following 5 mins and if it continues then there can be no complaints

What was Cliffords first yellow for anyway?

The Tyrone player wrestles him to the ground, pushes his hand hard into his face/neck pushing it into the ground. All the while Clifford has his arms out wide. Itís a black card for the Tyrone man or at least a yellow. Nothing for Clifford .
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 10, 2020, 12:17:43 PM
Ref should have gone over, spoke to the two of them.  Said cop on and play away.  Was there much in it really??  Didn't warrent a man getting the line anyway.  Get the umpires then to keep a better eye on them for the following 5 mins and if it continues then there can be no complaints

What was Cliffords first yellow for anyway?

The Tyrone player wrestles him to the ground, pushes his hand hard into his face/neck pushing it into the ground. All the while Clifford has his arms out wide. Itís a black card for the Tyrone man or at least a yellow. Nothing for Clifford .
But you are basing this just on what is shown on camera.
On that basis then Peter Harte shouldnt have been sent off either  :-\
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 10, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
Ref should have gone over, spoke to the two of them.  Said cop on and play away.  Was there much in it really??  Didn't warrent a man getting the line anyway.  Get the umpires then to keep a better eye on them for the following 5 mins and if it continues then there can be no complaints

What was Cliffords first yellow for anyway?

The Tyrone player wrestles him to the ground, pushes his hand hard into his face/neck pushing it into the ground. All the while Clifford has his arms out wide. Itís a black card for the Tyrone man or at least a yellow. Nothing for Clifford .

2 to go.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: greatpoint on February 10, 2020, 01:04:17 PM
Where is the footage that people are basing their defence of Clifford on? They only video of the incident that I have seen does not show how the incident started. If Peter Harte can get sent off in similar circumstances and manage not to shout in the faces of the officials then why should things be different for David Clifford?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: WT4E on February 10, 2020, 01:11:23 PM
Will Clifford get extra ban for threatening umpires? Probably lack of experience but will learn from this - dont get involved!
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: rodney trotter on February 10, 2020, 01:14:08 PM
Declan Bogue was speaking to Shane Stapleton on his podcast, Bogue was at the game and said it was started by the Tyrone player. He said it was a ridiculous second yellow for  Clifford.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 10, 2020, 01:16:39 PM
Hopefully not. The ref should have just brought the two boys in for a talking to rather than flashing cards. Would have been sorted then and none of this over analysis of the incident and Clifford's reaction.

Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 10, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Declan Bogue was speaking to Shane Stapleton on his podcast, Bogue was at the game and said it was started by the Tyrone player. He said it was a ridiculous second yellow for  Clifford.

Did he say anything about Peter Harte's sending off?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Halfquarter on February 10, 2020, 02:14:14 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/unjust-dismissal-of-david-clifford-must-compel-the-gaa-to-introduce-real-changes-that-protect-its-biggest-stars-38940961.html
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 10, 2020, 02:48:57 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyroneman on February 10, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
"Tyrone wans out in force today. Bringing sense to the Delusional"

Fixed that for you  ;)
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyrone08 on February 10, 2020, 03:52:03 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 10, 2020, 04:06:45 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: MC on February 10, 2020, 04:30:52 PM
Declan Bogue normally talks quite sensibly and without the blinkers and he does it again on Shane Stapleton's show.
His view - only the defender should have got the yellow card.

Not sure if Kerry would have won with Clifford though - Declan Bogue also talks about Tyrone's overall tactics and how they were finishing much stronger than Kerry in the last 15.

He also talks about how the issue of the defender grappling is perceived as a Tyrone issue when the reality is that all the top teams do it - you only have to remove the blinkers and look how McShane was welcomed back yesterday off the ball, or see the treatment dished out to Harte.

Personally I would like to see all this crap dealt with by the ref, or the linesmen, or the umpires - prefer to see good football - but that will only happen when everyone calls for it and acknowledges that their own teams are as guilty as everyone else.

All for David Clifford protection, but also Dean Rock, Ryan Mc Hugh, Petey Harte, and all the others!

Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyrone08 on February 10, 2020, 05:11:58 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyrone08 on February 10, 2020, 05:15:52 PM
Declan Bogue normally talks quite sensibly and without the blinkers and he does it again on Shane Stapleton's show.
His view - only the defender should have got the yellow card.

Not sure if Kerry would have won with Clifford though - Declan Bogue also talks about Tyrone's overall tactics and how they were finishing much stronger than Kerry in the last 15.

He also talks about how the issue of the defender grappling is perceived as a Tyrone issue when the reality is that all the top teams do it - you only have to remove the blinkers and look how McShane was welcomed back yesterday off the ball, or see the treatment dished out to Harte.

Personally I would like to see all this crap dealt with by the ref, or the linesmen, or the umpires - prefer to see good football - but that will only happen when everyone calls for it and acknowledges that their own teams are as guilty as everyone else.

All for David Clifford protection, but also Dean Rock, Ryan Mc Hugh, Petey Harte, and all the others!

Agreed that all players deserve protection but what annoys me is that only a few select players in Ireland deserve protection. Peter harte is a prime example of a player that is consistently fouled but nothing is done to stop it.

At the Dub v kerry match the amount of pulling and ripping of jeresys was ridiculous but it never made a headlight as tyrone were not involved.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 10, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional
Did it aye?
I'm not from Kerry so I didn't lose anything. Peter Harte ahaha your whataboutery knows no bounds.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 10, 2020, 05:57:33 PM
Declan Bogue normally talks quite sensibly and without the blinkers and he does it again on Shane Stapleton's show.
His view - only the defender should have got the yellow card.

Not sure if Kerry would have won with Clifford though - Declan Bogue also talks about Tyrone's overall tactics and how they were finishing much stronger than Kerry in the last 15.

He also talks about how the issue of the defender grappling is perceived as a Tyrone issue when the reality is that all the top teams do it - you only have to remove the blinkers and look how McShane was welcomed back yesterday off the ball, or see the treatment dished out to Harte.

Personally I would like to see all this crap dealt with by the ref, or the linesmen, or the umpires - prefer to see good football - but that will only happen when everyone calls for it and acknowledges that their own teams are as guilty as everyone else.

All for David Clifford protection, but also Dean Rock, Ryan Mc Hugh, Petey Harte, and all the others!

Agreed that all players deserve protection but what annoys me is that only a few select players in Ireland deserve protection. Peter harte is a prime example of a player that is consistently fouled but nothing is done to stop it.

At the Dub v kerry match the amount of pulling and ripping of jeresys was ridiculous but it never made a headlight as tyrone were not involved.

Never made a headline? Really?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyrone08 on February 10, 2020, 06:01:44 PM
Declan Bogue normally talks quite sensibly and without the blinkers and he does it again on Shane Stapleton's show.
His view - only the defender should have got the yellow card.

Not sure if Kerry would have won with Clifford though - Declan Bogue also talks about Tyrone's overall tactics and how they were finishing much stronger than Kerry in the last 15.

He also talks about how the issue of the defender grappling is perceived as a Tyrone issue when the reality is that all the top teams do it - you only have to remove the blinkers and look how McShane was welcomed back yesterday off the ball, or see the treatment dished out to Harte.

Personally I would like to see all this crap dealt with by the ref, or the linesmen, or the umpires - prefer to see good football - but that will only happen when everyone calls for it and acknowledges that their own teams are as guilty as everyone else.

All for David Clifford protection, but also Dean Rock, Ryan Mc Hugh, Petey Harte, and all the others!

Agreed that all players deserve protection but what annoys me is that only a few select players in Ireland deserve protection. Peter harte is a prime example of a player that is consistently fouled but nothing is done to stop it.

At the Dub v kerry match the amount of pulling and ripping of jeresys was ridiculous but it never made a headlight as tyrone were not involved.

Never made a headline? Really?

Well considering that rte, independent, Irish news, ex pundits and even hoganstand has came out crying abut this, in comparison the Dub v kerry game never got this level of attention
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 10, 2020, 06:02:47 PM
I seen plenty of it.
I have sympathy for Tyrone at the moment in regards to this. But when people like you go on and on about it it makes it hard to have a lot of sympathy
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: illdecide on February 10, 2020, 06:29:24 PM
Will Clifford get extra ban for threatening umpires? Probably lack of experience but will learn from this - dont get involved!

He should have grabbed the we black book of him and hit him up the kisser with it...Clown. It was disgraceful but you know what majority of those Umpires come with the Ref to the games and haven't a clue if the O'Neills ball was blew up or stuffed, majority of them never played the game and wouldn't know why the lad was being targeted in the first place.
They get their few minutes of fame and that'll do them rightly
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Throw ball on February 10, 2020, 06:40:03 PM
Do you think the umpire might have got his little book out to ask Clifford for an autograph and then thought better of it. :)
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 10, 2020, 07:16:56 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional
Did it aye?
I'm not from Kerry so I didn't lose anything. Peter Harte ahaha your whataboutery knows no bounds.

You may as well be from Kerry when you speak with that level of bias.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 10, 2020, 07:34:21 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional

Peter harte was put off for diving.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 10, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional

Peter harte was put off for diving.

So did both players dive then and Hartes was his second yellow?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: illdecide on February 10, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Do you think the umpire might have got his little book out to ask Clifford for an autograph and then thought better of it. :)

I wouldn't doubt it...lol
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 10, 2020, 07:51:09 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional

Peter harte was put off for diving.

So did both players dive then and Hartes was his second yellow?

Murphy was standing his ground
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2020, 08:08:54 PM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

I agree, the ref went with his umpires though, forwards can be cute hoors also, conning a ref is standard. From the footage Iíd have black carded the Tyrone lad. I donít do the two yellows card thing, unless itís actually two yellows!

Youíve instigators and retaliatory fouls which will result in yellows or worse. But Iíll generally dismiss second yellows or hop balls even.

Is there other footage going around? On the footage I've seen none of it showed who started it. They both stumble into screen with fists full of each others shirts.  So if you, as a ref turned around and saw the two guys wrestling you'd just book one? ref can only act on what he saw or the Umpires tell him.

I can only call what I see, if the umpires see something different then you consult them, again you don't have to go with their call and they can't tell you its a yellow card offence, they can only tell you what happened, but as I said on the footage that we all seen, the Tyrone lad looked like he wrestled him to the ground, black card offence. grabbing shirts is not an offence, whoever pulled who to the ground takes the card
If that's the correct interpretation of the rules then I don't know what to say. They were both wrestling, but because Clifford hit the ground it's a black card? Maybe I've been away from playing the game too long but that seems nonsense to me.

The correct interpretation of the rules are what Iíve already said, consult your umpires if they have called you in for an off the ball incident. Itís very simple, even if youíve not played for a while that was always the case. I stated you can only go with what you saw, and from the footage I seen (granted itís didnít show the start) but if I see a player drag a player down and if heís on top logic would tell you the defender dragged him down.

Iíd like to see the footage again, Iím sure someone has it on a phone. Dragging someone down off the ball should be a black card, so giving the yellow was the wrong call in my book
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 10, 2020, 08:21:18 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional

Peter harte was put off for diving.

So did both players dive then and Hartes was his second yellow?

Murphy was standing his ground

Maybe Clifford should have tried doing the same.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 10, 2020, 08:23:16 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional

Peter harte was put off for diving.

So did both players dive then and Hartes was his second yellow?

Murphy was standing his ground

You have no idea why he got the second yellow
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 10, 2020, 08:28:21 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional

Peter harte was put off for diving.

So did both players dive then and Hartes was his second yellow?

Murphy was standing his ground

Maybe Clifford should have tried doing the same.

When someone grabs you by neck are you expected to stand there
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 10, 2020, 09:28:06 PM
Tyrone wans out in force today. Delusional

😂 Muppets like you make me laugh. What is delusional
Do I aye? You're the muppet here if you think Clifford deserved the red. Only reason why Tyrone won the game.

That made me laugh. You seem to be forgetting again that Peter harte was sent off as well but no one seems to mention that. If you think Clifford was the only reason you lost then you definitely are delusional
Did it aye?
I'm not from Kerry so I didn't lose anything. Peter Harte ahaha your whataboutery knows no bounds.

You may as well be from Kerry when you speak with that level of bias.
No bias at all. Peter harte's red is a separate and irrelevant situation to Clifford's.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 10, 2020, 10:29:56 PM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

I agree, the ref went with his umpires though, forwards can be cute hoors also, conning a ref is standard. From the footage Iíd have black carded the Tyrone lad. I donít do the two yellows card thing, unless itís actually two yellows!

Youíve instigators and retaliatory fouls which will result in yellows or worse. But Iíll generally dismiss second yellows or hop balls even.

Is there other footage going around? On the footage I've seen none of it showed who started it. They both stumble into screen with fists full of each others shirts.  So if you, as a ref turned around and saw the two guys wrestling you'd just book one? ref can only act on what he saw or the Umpires tell him.

I can only call what I see, if the umpires see something different then you consult them, again you don't have to go with their call and they can't tell you its a yellow card offence, they can only tell you what happened, but as I said on the footage that we all seen, the Tyrone lad looked like he wrestled him to the ground, black card offence. grabbing shirts is not an offence, whoever pulled who to the ground takes the card
If that's the correct interpretation of the rules then I don't know what to say. They were both wrestling, but because Clifford hit the ground it's a black card? Maybe I've been away from playing the game too long but that seems nonsense to me.

The correct interpretation of the rules are what Iíve already said, consult your umpires if they have called you in for an off the ball incident. Itís very simple, even if youíve not played for a while that was always the case. I stated you can only go with what you saw, and from the footage I seen (granted itís didnít show the start) but if I see a player drag a player down and if heís on top logic would tell you the defender dragged him down.

Iíd like to see the footage again, Iím sure someone has it on a phone. Dragging someone down off the ball should be a black card, so giving the yellow was the wrong call in my book
No I get it about the umpires. Thing is we donít know what the umpires saw as the clip didnít show the start of it. People are just assuming Clifford wasnít the instigator. Maybe they saw something we didnít.
But forgetting about them, because as I said we donít know what they saw before the two stumbled into the screen. If two lads are wrestling and oneís stronger theyíre going to get the blame?  Or if one loses his footing and goes down youíd blame the other. Just doesnít seem right to me.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2020, 10:35:54 PM
I donít get the ďkey player isnít going to be the instigatorĒ weíre hearing from Whelan. Yeah, somebody might be getting at him but that doesnít give him licence to step outside the rules of the game. Also, if a ref sees two players wrestling, it would not be right for him to decide who probably started it.

We havenít yet seen how that particular incident started btw.

I agree, the ref went with his umpires though, forwards can be cute hoors also, conning a ref is standard. From the footage Iíd have black carded the Tyrone lad. I donít do the two yellows card thing, unless itís actually two yellows!

Youíve instigators and retaliatory fouls which will result in yellows or worse. But Iíll generally dismiss second yellows or hop balls even.

Is there other footage going around? On the footage I've seen none of it showed who started it. They both stumble into screen with fists full of each others shirts.  So if you, as a ref turned around and saw the two guys wrestling you'd just book one? ref can only act on what he saw or the Umpires tell him.

I can only call what I see, if the umpires see something different then you consult them, again you don't have to go with their call and they can't tell you its a yellow card offence, they can only tell you what happened, but as I said on the footage that we all seen, the Tyrone lad looked like he wrestled him to the ground, black card offence. grabbing shirts is not an offence, whoever pulled who to the ground takes the card
If that's the correct interpretation of the rules then I don't know what to say. They were both wrestling, but because Clifford hit the ground it's a black card? Maybe I've been away from playing the game too long but that seems nonsense to me.

The correct interpretation of the rules are what Iíve already said, consult your umpires if they have called you in for an off the ball incident. Itís very simple, even if youíve not played for a while that was always the case. I stated you can only go with what you saw, and from the footage I seen (granted itís didnít show the start) but if I see a player drag a player down and if heís on top logic would tell you the defender dragged him down.

Iíd like to see the footage again, Iím sure someone has it on a phone. Dragging someone down off the ball should be a black card, so giving the yellow was the wrong call in my book
No I get it about the umpires. Thing is we donít know what the umpires saw as the clip didnít show the start of it. People are just assuming Clifford wasnít the instigator. Maybe they saw something we didnít.
But forgetting about them, because as I said we donít know what they saw before the two stumbled into the screen. If two lads are wrestling and oneís stronger theyíre going to get the blame?  Or if one loses his footing and goes down youíd blame the other. Just doesnít seem right to me.

But itís clear if two people are grabbing shirts and the other one throws him to the ground because heís stronger then heís the one to go unfortunately. Personally if it was a straight joint affair Iíd have played on and not bothered doing anything. But itís not a club game, cameras everywhere and refs are assessed and need to follow protocol, common sense doesnít come into it. But the footage is all Iím going on, Tyrone player looked the aggressor
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 10, 2020, 11:01:00 PM
Is there any chance that the umpire, who was stood 10 yards away, saw something in the incident that those who werenít even at the game, didnít see?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2020, 11:09:58 PM
Is there any chance that the umpire, who was stood 10 yards away, saw something in the incident that who werenít even at the game, didnít see?

Iíd say he wrote it in his wee book, or the match report will have it.

Umpires are asked donít bother the ref unless itís a yellow or red card offence, if lads are doing a bitta holding or niggle stuff warn them and youíve informed the ref. Thatís it. The ref should have that chat and then thereís no excuse if it continues. Havenít seen this fully and until a neutrals opinion on it or a video of it from the start then itís hard to judge.

But why would a lad on a yellow, whoís won a free get himself into bother by himself? Madness
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 10, 2020, 11:12:07 PM
I admit I know little about the game and whatever I do know was picked up here. But I overheard a conversation today where the two guys talking are fairly sensible, straightforward types if you know what I mean.
They both agreed that what Mickey Harte is as shrewd as they come and I can't disagree with that.
Sure the world knows he has an honest face.
Yer man sez the Kerry bucko was to blame because he only got a wee slap in the puss, which is well within the acceptable limits of what is allowed in this manly sport and he should have taken it like a pansy boy man and given a good dunt back with interest but the quare fella was having none of this at all at all.
According to him, Mickey took off one of his good players and put a plonker on in his place with the intention of getting him to pick a row with Clifford and get him sent off at all costs. If the said plonker got red carded also it would be no big deal as he wasn't worth a starting place anyway.
Looking at the wee bit of the action I saw on tv, I dunno what to believe.
I mean Mickey wasn't taking the mickey,  was he?  ;D
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: RedHand88 on February 11, 2020, 07:39:29 AM
Is there any chance that the umpire, who was stood 10 yards away, saw something in the incident that who werenít even at the game, didnít see?

Iíd say he wrote it in his wee book, or the match report will have it.

Umpires are asked donít bother the ref unless itís a yellow or red card offence, if lads are doing a bitta holding or niggle stuff warn them and youíve informed the ref. Thatís it. The ref should have that chat and then thereís no excuse if it continues. Havenít seen this fully and until a neutrals opinion on it or a video of it from the start then itís hard to judge.

But why would a lad on a yellow, whoís won a free get himself into bother by himself? Madness

Has anyone asked him? He has a handle of Ben mcdonnells jersey and is pushing him back in the clip.
People seem to think that just because Clifford lost the wrestling match that he must be totally innocent. He wasn't.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2020, 08:30:27 AM
Is there any chance that the umpire, who was stood 10 yards away, saw something in the incident that who werenít even at the game, didnít see?

Iíd say he wrote it in his wee book, or the match report will have it.

Umpires are asked donít bother the ref unless itís a yellow or red card offence, if lads are doing a bitta holding or niggle stuff warn them and youíve informed the ref. Thatís it. The ref should have that chat and then thereís no excuse if it continues. Havenít seen this fully and until a neutrals opinion on it or a video of it from the start then itís hard to judge.

But why would a lad on a yellow, whoís won a free get himself into bother by himself? Madness

Has anyone asked him? He has a handle of Ben mcdonnells jersey and is pushing him back in the clip.
People seem to think that just because Clifford lost the wrestling match that he must be totally innocent. He wasn't.

Pushing him back, and pulling someone to the ground is different?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 11, 2020, 08:33:45 AM
Well said kieran

https://www.offtheball.com/football/kieran-donaghy-umpires-roles-need-reviewed-
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2020, 09:29:51 AM
Well said kieran

https://www.offtheball.com/football/kieran-donaghy-umpires-roles-need-reviewed-

Umpires at that level go through an umpires course to be fair.. They are well informed on what to look for, and you as a ref must trust their opinion, because its the ref who'll take the rap for that, the ref and his team are assessed collectively.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyroneman on February 11, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
At the end of the day there were 2 umpires a helluva lot closer to it that anyone in the stand, or watching from their armchairs.

Referees all want to be getting the big games in Croke later this year and so will very much want to get the calls correct.

No matter what conjecture pundits etc come up with - they were analyzing the same TV clip we all saw.

We have no idea what happened beforehand and cannot say if Clifford was 100% innocent, or if he got involved in something he came out the wrong side of.

Of course MH could have sent on a man to get Clifford sent off, equally Clifford could have been acting the pr*ck - there is not enough evidence either way to say for sure.

Equally we don't know what happened to Harte, he may have deserved it, he may not.

Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Main Street on February 11, 2020, 04:45:12 PM
At the end of the day there were 2 umpires a helluva lot closer to it that anyone in the stand, or watching from their armchairs.

Referees all want to be getting the big games in Croke later this year and so will very much want to get the calls correct.

No matter what conjecture pundits etc come up with - they were analyzing the same TV clip we all saw.

We have no idea what happened beforehand and cannot say if Clifford was 100% innocent, or if he got involved in something he came out the wrong side of.

Of course MH could have sent on a man to get Clifford sent off, equally Clifford could have been acting the pr*ck - there is not enough evidence either way to say for sure.

Equally we don't know what happened to Harte, he may have deserved it, he may not.
It's more about the frustration around the default referee disciplinary response to seeing 2 players entangled on the grass in a social interaction of sorts on any football pitch in the country than about the one single incident.
The marquee player is oft targeted in such a manner in order to pick up an easy yellow.
How did Peter Canavan deal with it, if anyone was brave enough to try.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 11, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Vinny Corey bucking the media trend by adding some sense of reason to the debate.

Former Monaghan defender Vinny Corey said the David Clifford flashpoint in Tyrone on Sunday may not have been quite as clear-cut as it may have appeared.

The Kingdom captain was given a second yellow card in the Allianz Football League Division One clash in Edendork following an-off-the ball incident with Ben McDonald.

Referee Fergal Kelly showed both players a yellow card after consulting his umpires and with Clifford already on a yellow, he was given his marching orders.

CiarŠn Whelan said it was a "terrible decision", with TomŠs ” Sť later tweeting that it was an "easy way out for ref book the two of them".

Corey, speaking to RT… 2fm's Game On, agreed that cynical play should be punished but stressed that television viewers may not have seen the full story.

"I wasn't at the game, all we can go on is the camera angle," he said.

"When the camera angle switched to Clifford, it looks as though it was at the tail end of something. He seemed to be holding his hands up, he was dragged to the ground. In that instance he looked completely innocent.

"Again, we were at the mercy of the camera there. We didn't see what happened before that, but you'd like to think ...  it happened right in front of the umpires and a bit of common sense... if he was completely innocent in defending himself, you'd think the umpires would be able to spot that.

"I suppose if it was cynical you'd have to condemn it but to give it a bit of balance, I know there's a lot of outcry about it, but from a defender's point of view I've seen plenty of times over the years where a defender has been on the yellow card and a top-class forward has ran at him, pulled his arm down to the ground and got him sent off.

"You can't condone either one but I'd like to think there'd be a bit of an outcry as well if that was done to a defender."
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: The Gs Man on February 12, 2020, 10:49:42 AM

"I wasn't at the game, all we can go on is the camera angle," he said.



Stopped reading after that.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 12, 2020, 10:55:33 AM

"I wasn't at the game, all we can go on is the camera angle," he said.



Stopped reading after that.

You won't have read much on the topic if you were only interesting in hearing from people who saw the full incident
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 12, 2020, 11:00:04 AM
Itís a fair take from Corey
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: The Gs Man on February 12, 2020, 11:19:34 AM

"I wasn't at the game, all we can go on is the camera angle," he said.



Stopped reading after that.

You won't have read much on the topic if you were only interesting in hearing from people who saw the full incident

I spoke to someone (a neutral) who saw the whole incident yesterday, and was in the very corner behind the goals where it happened.


He said it was an entirely cynical ploy to get Clifford sent off and Clifford done nothing wrong whatsoever.

Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 12, 2020, 11:24:09 AM

"I wasn't at the game, all we can go on is the camera angle," he said.



Stopped reading after that.

You won't have read much on the topic if you were only interesting in hearing from people who saw the full incident

I spoke to someone (a neutral) who saw the whole incident yesterday, and was in the very corner behind the goals where it happened.


He said it was an entirely cynical ploy to get Clifford sent off and Clifford done nothing wrong whatsoever.

Spoke to a man who said the exact opposite.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: The Gs Man on February 12, 2020, 11:35:15 AM
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle then...
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 12, 2020, 11:46:14 AM
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle then...

I don't know what happened. Impossible to say really without any conclusive evidence.

The umpires obviously felt it took two to tango, whether that was the case or not.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 12, 2020, 12:07:43 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 12, 2020, 12:09:15 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Dire Ear on February 12, 2020, 12:43:18 PM
As a Tyrone supporter,  I would guess the Peter Harte "incidents" ( whatever they were)  had a factor in DC's sending off.  Balancing the books I would call it.  However it wouldn't be a surprise to me if O'Donnell was encouraged by ONE of the managment team to provoke DC.
 I'm of the opinion that both PHarte and DC were sent off incorrecty
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 12, 2020, 12:50:07 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 12, 2020, 01:18:59 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 12, 2020, 01:29:34 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 12, 2020, 01:38:51 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

I addressed an inaccuracy from GOTB which tried to reason that McDonnell would have gone out of his way to start something, he has regularly played in the Tyrone half back line and as a sweeper, he has never played as a half forward that I can recall with Tyrone. So it's certainly relevant and I didn't bring his position in to the matter, I have only sought to clarify misleading information - again important in balance.

The crux of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence to say what happened with certainty, we're all just speculating.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 12, 2020, 01:49:57 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

My apologies, the names look similar at a glance - but the point is that he tried to use the position of McDonnell as evidence to prove that he must have been sent on to provoke Clifford. (I.e. what was he doing back there unless he was sent specifically to do a job on Clifford?) Angelo was pointing out that his take on McDonnell's position was incorrect.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 12, 2020, 01:55:40 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

I addressed an inaccuracy from GOTB which tried to reason that McDonnell would have gone out of his way to start something, he has regularly played in the Tyrone half back line and as a sweeper, he has never played as a half forward that I can recall with Tyrone. So it's certainly relevant and I didn't bring his position in to the matter, I have only sought to clarify misleading information - again important in balance.

The crux of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence to say what happened with certainty, we're all just speculating.
Right so he usually plays half back and not midfield or HF as he thought, who cares, doesn't make a bit of difference.
ANY player, defender or not, is capable of coming on in the final stages of a game and taking one for the team by starting a rowing match and wrestling a boy to the ground. That's the point.
I agree it's speculation, but I'm sure a sane Tyrone fan would admit that Clifford wasn't at fault here, and the referee wanted to even things up.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 12, 2020, 01:57:55 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

My apologies, the names look similar at a glance - but the point is that he tried to use the position of McDonnell as evidence to prove that he must have been sent on to provoke Clifford. (I.e. what was he doing back there unless he was sent specifically to do a job on Clifford?) Angelo was pointing out that his take on McDonnell's position was incorrect.
Yea that's fair enough.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 12, 2020, 02:00:36 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

I addressed an inaccuracy from GOTB which tried to reason that McDonnell would have gone out of his way to start something, he has regularly played in the Tyrone half back line and as a sweeper, he has never played as a half forward that I can recall with Tyrone. So it's certainly relevant and I didn't bring his position in to the matter, I have only sought to clarify misleading information - again important in balance.

The crux of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence to say what happened with certainty, we're all just speculating.
Right so he usually plays half back and not midfield or HF as he thought, who cares, doesn't make a bit of difference.
ANY player, defender or not, is capable of coming on in the final stages of a game and taking one for the team by starting a rowing match and wrestling a boy to the ground. That's the point.
I agree it's speculation, but I'm sure a sane Tyrone fan would admit that Clifford wasn't at fault here, and the referee wanted to even things up.

I can't admit to something I don't know happened and which there is no conclusive proof that the incident panned out in the way portrayed.

It's speculation. You're entitled to your view bit there's nothing to back it up actually taking place.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 12, 2020, 02:04:07 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

I addressed an inaccuracy from GOTB which tried to reason that McDonnell would have gone out of his way to start something, he has regularly played in the Tyrone half back line and as a sweeper, he has never played as a half forward that I can recall with Tyrone. So it's certainly relevant and I didn't bring his position in to the matter, I have only sought to clarify misleading information - again important in balance.

The crux of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence to say what happened with certainty, we're all just speculating.
Right so he usually plays half back and not midfield or HF as he thought, who cares, doesn't make a bit of difference.
ANY player, defender or not, is capable of coming on in the final stages of a game and taking one for the team by starting a rowing match and wrestling a boy to the ground. That's the point.
I agree it's speculation, but I'm sure a sane Tyrone fan would admit that Clifford wasn't at fault here, and the referee wanted to even things up.

I'm reading some of these comments in disbelief, you boys must not have played any ball. I'm from Tyrone, I was at the game, I seen the incident. McDonnell was sent on for one reason, one reason only. Job done.

Is it right? No. Do I condone it? No. Will it happen next week to a lesser player to no outrage? Yes. Does the punishment received by McDonnell fit the crime? No.

That's pretty much the end of this one lads. Every county and club (at any decent level) will do something similar in the coming weeks and months....it's the game. In my opinion the referee couldn't wait to get himself on TV throughout.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 12, 2020, 02:06:26 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

I addressed an inaccuracy from GOTB which tried to reason that McDonnell would have gone out of his way to start something, he has regularly played in the Tyrone half back line and as a sweeper, he has never played as a half forward that I can recall with Tyrone. So it's certainly relevant and I didn't bring his position in to the matter, I have only sought to clarify misleading information - again important in balance.

The crux of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence to say what happened with certainty, we're all just speculating.
Right so he usually plays half back and not midfield or HF as he thought, who cares, doesn't make a bit of difference.
ANY player, defender or not, is capable of coming on in the final stages of a game and taking one for the team by starting a rowing match and wrestling a boy to the ground. That's the point.
I agree it's speculation, but I'm sure a sane Tyrone fan would admit that Clifford wasn't at fault here, and the referee wanted to even things up.

I'm reading some of these comments in disbelief, you boys must not have played any ball. I'm from Tyrone, I was at the game, I seen the incident. McDonnell was sent on for one reason, one reason only. Job done.

Is it right? No. Do I condone it? No. Will it happen next week to a lesser player to no outrage? Yes. Does the punishment received by McDonnell fit the crime? No.

That's pretty much the end of this one lads. Every county and club (at any decent level) will do something similar in the coming weeks and months....it's the game. In my opinion the referee couldn't wait to get himself on TV throughout.
I'm literally saying the exact same thing.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 12, 2020, 02:21:08 PM
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

I addressed an inaccuracy from GOTB which tried to reason that McDonnell would have gone out of his way to start something, he has regularly played in the Tyrone half back line and as a sweeper, he has never played as a half forward that I can recall with Tyrone. So it's certainly relevant and I didn't bring his position in to the matter, I have only sought to clarify misleading information - again important in balance.

The crux of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence to say what happened with certainty, we're all just speculating.
Right so he usually plays half back and not midfield or HF as he thought, who cares, doesn't make a bit of difference.
ANY player, defender or not, is capable of coming on in the final stages of a game and taking one for the team by starting a rowing match and wrestling a boy to the ground. That's the point.
I agree it's speculation, but I'm sure a sane Tyrone fan would admit that Clifford wasn't at fault here, and the referee wanted to even things up.

I'm reading some of these comments in disbelief, you boys must not have played any ball. I'm from Tyrone, I was at the game, I seen the incident. McDonnell was sent on for one reason, one reason only. Job done.

Is it right? No. Do I condone it? No. Will it happen next week to a lesser player to no outrage? Yes. Does the punishment received by McDonnell fit the crime? No.

That's pretty much the end of this one lads. Every county and club (at any decent level) will do something similar in the coming weeks and months....it's the game. In my opinion the referee couldn't wait to get himself on TV throughout.
I'm literally saying the exact same thing.

That's why i got mixed up between the two of ye!  ;)
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 12, 2020, 06:28:30 PM
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2020, 07:07:09 PM
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

Charged with what? At giving off to officials? Been to any games recently? Happens in under12 games weekly!
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 12, 2020, 08:00:34 PM
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

Charged with what? At giving off to officials? Been to any games recently? Happens in under12 games weekly!

He was more than giving off. When managers can get a 12 week ban for the same thing why arenít players? And maybe if players do get made an example of it will stop it happening at U12 games
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Ball Hopper on February 12, 2020, 08:54:45 PM
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

Charged with what? At giving off to officials? Been to any games recently? Happens in under12 games weekly!

He was more than giving off. When managers can get a 12 week ban for the same thing why arenít players? And maybe if players do get made an example of it will stop it happening at U12 games

Depends on the language used.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: inroundthesquare on February 12, 2020, 09:32:35 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyrone08 on February 12, 2020, 09:47:57 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2020, 10:05:25 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.

So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 07:29:25 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 13, 2020, 07:43:23 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: TheGreatest on February 13, 2020, 08:15:21 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 13, 2020, 08:52:55 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 09:28:10 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 13, 2020, 09:55:20 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 13, 2020, 10:14:55 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 13, 2020, 11:07:34 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: screenexile on February 13, 2020, 11:25:59 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 13, 2020, 11:41:37 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Watch Conor Gormley little dunt Tomas Se.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 13, 2020, 11:42:21 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: TheGreatest on February 13, 2020, 12:10:31 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

Not at all, Dublin also excel in the field of the dark arts, i would have done the same at that stage of the game myself and iv no problem with it, got over the line...

Kerry are not holier than thou though.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 13, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

Not at all, Dublin also excel in the field of the dark arts, i would have done the same at that stage of the game myself and iv no problem with it, got over the line...

Kerry are not holier than thou though.
Bang on! Didn't I always say you talk a lot of sense-- some of the time anyway!
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 12:27:52 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 13, 2020, 12:43:30 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 12:51:43 PM
Lads, when Kerry do what Tyrone cynically do itís called laying down a marker. Nothing more. Nothing less
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: screenexile on February 13, 2020, 02:21:19 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: TheGreatest on February 13, 2020, 02:29:21 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

Not at all, Dublin also excel in the field of the dark arts, i would have done the same at that stage of the game myself and iv no problem with it, got over the line...

Kerry are not holier than thou though.
Bang on! Didn't I always say you talk a lot of sense-- some of the time anyway!

 :D

Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 02:31:06 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Bogue is from Fermanagh.

Other counties don't get the scrutiny, the O'Mahony dive was forgotten about in a couple of hours. The McCann incident went on week after.

The problem for Derry folk is that they stopped being relevant decades ago so wouldn't have any comprehension of the same bias that would be afforded to them if they stayed out at the top.

Nobody in Tyrone pretends we are holier than thou, that's what the likes of Kerry do. All we ask is for balance. Peter Harte has suffered more from cynicism than Clifford has in intercounty football and Clifford is no saint either, remember his role in getting the Kildare keeper his marching orders in his debut season.

Try and bring some balance to the table for once, leave the bitterness at the door.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 13, 2020, 02:50:58 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Only leaves Tickle left. Has he been about?

Kerry have received very little attention on the Peter Harte sending off, in the same game, in similar circumstances.
Not that it matters, cynical play has been a part of the GAA for years and will be, same as most other team sports. As long as there's rules, teams will try to avoid them, use then, bend them, break them in the search to be more competitive.  Which is why we constantly see reactive new rules being implemented into the GAA.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: WT4E on February 13, 2020, 02:56:04 PM
Art McRory must have been a savage witty man have heard some great spakes from him. Not really old enough to remember thm at the time.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 06:51:36 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Only leaves Tickle left. Has he been about?

Kerry have received very little attention on the Peter Harte sending off, in the same game, in similar circumstances.
Not that it matters, cynical play has been a part of the GAA for years and will be, same as most other team sports. As long as there's rules, teams will try to avoid them, use then, bend them, break them in the search to be more competitive.  Which is why we constantly see reactive new rules being implemented into the GAA.

What did Harte get sent off for
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 13, 2020, 07:01:51 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 13, 2020, 07:47:56 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

I donít want to be the one to break it to you but Rory Gallagher isnít exactly a paragon of virtue when it comes to non cynical play.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 09:19:35 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 13, 2020, 09:24:53 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Declan Bogue is a fermanagh man.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tyroneman on February 14, 2020, 08:13:20 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

"Cynicism" as Gaelige = "Cute Hoorism".

That's why you never hear of Kerry person admit their players were cynical........they were only ever being 'cute'

Apart from Tadgh...who came clean on it...

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kennelly-admits-final-marker-was-premeditated-26574621.html

And Gooch who admits everyone is at it...

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0711/1061519-cooper-the-best-teams-use-cynical-fouling/

or maybe Mark O'Se    ~"ĎYes, Kerry are cynical, but what county isnít?í

The former Kerry great outlined how nearly all the best teams had players and an attitude of never hesitating ďto do what was requiredĒ."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/only-in-gaelic-football-is-smart-cynical-fouling-a-kpi-467089.html

And the sideline view... "Clever fouling helped too, as Kerry stopped Tipperary illegally 22 times in total, 11 in each half"

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/game-changer-kerry-more-cynical-and-clinical-than-tipperary-28713

or "Dublin can themselves point to Kerry cynicism in the closing stages of the 2017 league final when Anthony Maher pulled down Mick Fitzsimons about 50 metres out and from the resultant kick, Dean Rock struck an upright and Kerry hung on. Again it paid off for the aggressor"

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-keys-rule-changes-will-never-kill-cynical-play-just-look-at-the-conclusion-to-dublin-v-kerry-38901767.html

Maybe look at black cards...

https://www.wearedublin.com/football/kerry-most-cynical-team-in-country-as-they-top-black-card-list/

But sure it's only them aul Tyrone wans at it.....


Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 09:37:49 AM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

"Cynicism" as Gaelige = "Cute Hoorism".

That's why you never hear of Kerry person admit their players were cynical........they were only ever being 'cute'

Apart from Tadgh...who came clean on it...

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kennelly-admits-final-marker-was-premeditated-26574621.html

And Gooch who admits everyone is at it...

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0711/1061519-cooper-the-best-teams-use-cynical-fouling/

or maybe Mark O'Se    ~"ĎYes, Kerry are cynical, but what county isnít?í

The former Kerry great outlined how nearly all the best teams had players and an attitude of never hesitating ďto do what was requiredĒ."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/only-in-gaelic-football-is-smart-cynical-fouling-a-kpi-467089.html

And the sideline view... "Clever fouling helped too, as Kerry stopped Tipperary illegally 22 times in total, 11 in each half"

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/game-changer-kerry-more-cynical-and-clinical-than-tipperary-28713

or "Dublin can themselves point to Kerry cynicism in the closing stages of the 2017 league final when Anthony Maher pulled down Mick Fitzsimons about 50 metres out and from the resultant kick, Dean Rock struck an upright and Kerry hung on. Again it paid off for the aggressor"

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-keys-rule-changes-will-never-kill-cynical-play-just-look-at-the-conclusion-to-dublin-v-kerry-38901767.html

Maybe look at black cards...

https://www.wearedublin.com/football/kerry-most-cynical-team-in-country-as-they-top-black-card-list/

But sure it's only them aul Tyrone wans at it.....

It's just the media narrative though. People continue to throw mud at Tyrone without any foundation and it sticks.

2015 was a seminal year in bullshit claims against Tyrone:

- The Declan Bonner claim - dismissed by the Ulster Council, findings agreed with by Donegal board and statements that the player never even alleged what Bonner said.
- The Tipp manager's sour grapes after the U21 final - something again disputed by the stats, Tipp committed more fouls and McShane was punched, dragged and stamped as Tipp couldn't contain him. The stamp was a blatant act of thuggery and had the ref spotted it early doors, the game wouldn't have been a contest
- The McCann incident - embarrassing for Tyrone, embarrassing for McCann but not half as embarrassing as for those whose faux outrage and calls for apologies and talking about bad smells dominated the airways. The hysteria led to an unprecedented ban, a year or two later RTE pundits were awkwardly look at their shoes desperately trying to excuse Aidan O'Shea from cheating Fermanagh out of the Championship - a player with a history of theatrics in an AI semi final that also got no coverage.
- The Sunday Game issuing a five minute segment of Justy McMahon's man marking job on Murphy. Something Murphy is well used to, he had to take digs to the ribs, yapping and all sorts of cynical play from the masters of the dark arts in Kerry in the AI final the previous season when Aidan O'Mahony used every illegal trick in the book and most of it under the nose of officials, of course as we all well know by now - it's not the crime that matters - it's who the victim is or who the offender is.

Each time something happened the logbook of bullshit and bogus claims is propped up, Tyrone seem to be the only county with no statute of limitations. Kerry seem to have a 10 minute statue of limitations.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 14, 2020, 12:15:10 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: greatpoint on February 14, 2020, 01:31:51 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Declan Bogue is a fermanagh man.

Who has said publicly many times that living and working in Tyrone has turned him into a Tyrone supporter.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: tonto1888 on February 14, 2020, 04:53:41 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 14, 2020, 05:48:31 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.

I haven't.  Just honest and fair football
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 05:58:57 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.

I haven't.  Just honest and fair football

Are you about the Kerry ladies team?
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 14, 2020, 06:21:41 PM
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.

I haven't.  Just honest and fair football

Are you about the Kerry ladies team?

No
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 16, 2020, 07:09:55 AM
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: BennyHarp on February 16, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.

Sadly I suspect Kingdom37ís view is fairly widely held in Kerry.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 16, 2020, 01:24:47 PM
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.

Excuse me I'm genuine.  Ronan Keating had a good song one time. You should look up the lyrics.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2020, 01:56:08 PM
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.

Excuse me I'm genuine.  Ronan Keating had a good song one time. You should look up the lyrics.
No, you are not!
Not so long ago you were pasing yourself off as kerryforsam19 and if I was assed enough I could think of another couple of your aliases. I've no problem with any of your trolling because if anyone is daft enough to respond to you, they deserve what they get.
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 16, 2020, 02:45:36 PM
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.

Excuse me I'm genuine.  Ronan Keating had a good song one time. You should look up the lyrics.
No, you are not!
Not so long ago you were pasing yourself off as kerryforsam19 and if I was assed enough I could think of another couple of your aliases. I've no problem with any of your trolling because if anyone is daft enough to respond to you, they deserve what they get.

Who kerryforsam? I'm kingdom 37
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: joemamas on February 16, 2020, 11:49:06 PM
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.

Excuse me I'm genuine.  Ronan Keating had a good song one time. You should look up the lyrics.
No, you are not!
Not so long ago you were pasing yourself off as kerryforsam19 and if I was assed enough I could think of another couple of your aliases. I've no problem with any of your trolling because if anyone is daft enough to respond to you, they deserve what they get.

Bingo
Title: Re: David Clifford protection
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 17, 2020, 07:30:55 AM
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.

Excuse me I'm genuine.  Ronan Keating had a good song one time. You should look up the lyrics.
No, you are not!
Not so long ago you were pasing yourself off as kerryforsam19 and if I was assed enough I could think of another couple of your aliases. I've no problem with any of your trolling because if anyone is daft enough to respond to you, they deserve what they get.

Bingo

What about questioning.referee integrityJoe?? Whi is this kerryforsam??