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Title: China Coronavirus
Post by: lurganblue on January 23, 2020, 09:52:32 AM
Big scare in the news this morning around a new virus in China.  City on lockdown.  People fecking around with animals again... "This new virus originated in a seafood market in Wuhan that "conducted illegal transactions of wild animals", authorities have said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51217455 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51217455)

No doubt it wont be long until cases of this arrive in Europe.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 23, 2020, 10:06:29 AM
Big scare in the news this morning around a new virus in China.  City on lockdown.  People fecking around with animals again... "This new virus originated in a seafood market in Wuhan that "conducted illegal transactions of wild animals", authorities have said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51217455 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51217455)

No doubt it wont be long until cases of this arrive in Europe.

You can be sure it's already in Europe at this stage.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on January 23, 2020, 04:51:15 PM
Big scare in the news this morning around a new virus in China.  City on lockdown.  People fecking around with animals again... "This new virus originated in a seafood market in Wuhan that "conducted illegal transactions of wild animals", authorities have said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51217455 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51217455)

No doubt it wont be long until cases of this arrive in Europe.

You can be sure it's already in Europe at this stage.

Quite possibly Lurgan.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Ambrose on January 23, 2020, 05:26:35 PM
BREAKING - a man is being treated in Belfast’s RVH for symptoms associated with coronavirus.  The infection that’s caused two cities to go into lockdown in China. @BelfastTrust told the @BBCNewsNI they did not comment on individual cases.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on January 23, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
BREAKING - a man is being treated in Belfast’s RVH for symptoms associated with coronavirus.  The infection that’s caused two cities to go into lockdown in China. @BelfastTrust told the @BBCNewsNI they did not comment on individual cases.

I think the proper thing is build a giant dome around Belfast and fumigate it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 24, 2020, 09:26:26 AM
So it turns out this virus is a killer, obviously. But health experts have said it would only really effect those with previous medical conditions and the vulnerable elderly.

Not to be dismissive of course, but, is the virus just something the media are jumping on?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on January 24, 2020, 10:57:07 AM
26 dead

830 cases

41,000,000 people on lockdown

The Chinese are getting a bit carried away, then again they go around Dublin wearing masks so they are a bit OTT on health shit.

Seems like scaremongering by the Gov over there, keep the people in line after the Honk Kong protests last year.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 24, 2020, 10:58:39 AM
What will it do to sales of Corona?

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on January 24, 2020, 11:19:11 AM
They can build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days. Our flutes are clean useless. Harris should be shot with a ball of his own sh_te.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 24, 2020, 11:30:10 AM
26 dead

830 cases

41,000,000 people on lockdown

The Chinese are getting a bit carried away, then again they go around Dublin wearing masks so they are a bit OTT on health shit.

Seems like scaremongering by the Gov over there, keep the people in line after the Honk Kong protests last year.

Belfast Castle and Giants Causeway gets a bit of this action too.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on January 24, 2020, 11:46:51 AM
Still less deadly than the seasonal flu.

The big problem is if it starts to mutate into something uncontrollable.

Doesn't really matter if countries do go into lockdown - takes 2-14 days for symptoms to appear meaning people can walk through airport controls without showing symptoms but can still transmit the virus.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on January 24, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
Still less deadly than the seasonal flu.

The big problem is if it starts to mutate into something uncontrollable.

Doesn't really matter if countries do go into lockdown - takes 2-14 days for symptoms to appear meaning people can walk through airport controls without showing symptoms but can still transmit the virus.

However, the slow incubation period means that they have time to track down the contacts of the people affected.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on January 24, 2020, 12:42:40 PM
They can build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days. Our flutes are clean useless. Harris should be shot with a ball of his own sh_te.

While the NCH has been a complete balls up, you're hardly comparing apples with apples
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on January 24, 2020, 01:24:55 PM
They can build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days. Our flutes are clean useless. Harris should be shot with a ball of his own sh_te.

While the NCH has been a complete balls up, you're hardly comparing apples with apples

We need a political system that makes things happen, instead of flaffing about, jumping on populist bandwagons. Our judiciary, planning authorites are not fit for purpose either. The childrens hospital is an absolute shambles. Why the location, why the complex design, why the cost?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 24, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
They can build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days. Our flutes are clean useless. Harris should be shot with a ball of his own sh_te.

While the NCH has been a complete balls up, you're hardly comparing apples with apples

We need a political system that makes things happen, instead of flaffing about, jumping on populist bandwagons. Our judiciary, planning authorites are not fit for purpose either. The childrens hospital is an absolute shambles. Why the location, why the complex design, why the cost?

In the interests of balance, the Chinese government don't exactly worry too much about the will of the people in instances of both right and wrong.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on January 24, 2020, 01:43:16 PM
They can build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days. Our flutes are clean useless. Harris should be shot with a ball of his own sh_te.

While the NCH has been a complete balls up, you're hardly comparing apples with apples

We need a political system that makes things happen, instead of flaffing about, jumping on populist bandwagons. Our judiciary, planning authorites are not fit for purpose either. The childrens hospital is an absolute shambles. Why the location, why the complex design, why the cost?

The location was the biggest error imo and (without knowing any of the facts) I'd say it was down to hospital politics/lobbying.

Politicians jumping on populist bandwagons is a pitfall of representative democracy, they say you get the politicians you deserve

What specific changes would you propose to judiciary, planning and the political system that would have avoided this f*ck up?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on January 24, 2020, 01:48:00 PM
Still less deadly than the seasonal flu.

The big problem is if it starts to mutate into something uncontrollable.

Doesn't really matter if countries do go into lockdown - takes 2-14 days for symptoms to appear meaning people can walk through airport controls without showing symptoms but can still transmit the virus.

However, the slow incubation period means that they have time to track down the contacts of the people affected.

True but on average how many people do you come into contact with, who you share a computer with etc in those 14 days?

As an example:

You go to a restaurant and before you enter the building you cough/sneeze into your hands. You then open the door with your hand and then the next person to open the door picks the virus up on their hands - that is already 2 people infected just by touching a door handle and then share the use of things such as an ATM, the button at a set of traffic lights, opening doors around the house and passing it on to family. Just think how many people could potentially be infected within the first day just because someone has not washed their hands. 

I wouldn't consider myself a germophobe but at the same time I don't like getting ill because of some other asshole who is too lazy to take basic preventative measures. All you have to do is cough into your arm rather than into your hands or into the air and take 30 seconds to wash your hands.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on January 24, 2020, 08:39:08 PM
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on January 24, 2020, 10:27:28 PM
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

It will be simple structure, but will do the job. Perhaps, they even had foresight to prefabricate such an edifice in anticipation of exactly this type of event, they aren't the HSE.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on January 24, 2020, 10:38:18 PM
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

It will be simple structure, but will do the job. Perhaps, they even had foresight to prefabricate such an edifice in anticipation of exactly this type of event, they aren't the HSE.

They’ll stack a raft of containers - let’s not label it a hospital & similarly not use it to have a pop at the government here - I wonder how many of us would want to be treated in said “hospital”
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 28, 2020, 10:13:26 AM
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

It will be simple structure, but will do the job. Perhaps, they even had foresight to prefabricate such an edifice in anticipation of exactly this type of event, they aren't the HSE.

They’ll stack a raft of containers - let’s not label it a hospital & similarly not use it to have a pop at the government here - I wonder how many of us would want to be treated in said “hospital”

There was a video doing the rounds awhile ago of how the Chinese put together a Skyscraper. They literally stack it on, floor by floor like a massive IKEA project. It went up in something stupid like 3 weeks if I recall correct.

It obviously won't be an exceptional private facility, but none the less, if the Chinese want to do something - they'll do it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on January 28, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/c1c92b80-3ec1-11ea-b84f-a62c46f39bc2

Containing the spread of the coronavirus is a forlorn hope
A revised timeline suggests it has been circulating longer than first thought

ANJANA AHUJA  A military medical team member and a medical worker at Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital at the weekend

 The world should be more anxious than it was a week ago. According to research published on Friday, a new Sars-like coronavirus has been present in China since December 1, a full month before the alarm was raised. Almost 3,000 people have been diagnosed with the respiratory illness. As of Monday afternoon, 35 cases were outside China. Eighty-one people have died. Despite draconian quarantining, the virus, provisionally known as 2019-nCoV, is spreading.

 Several countries, including the UK, are considering evacuating nationals from the hot zone. It is now time for the World Health Organisation to call a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The revised timeline on when the virus began circulating comes courtesy of two papers in The Lancet medical journal, which reveal other worrying details. One sets out the clinical data on the first 41 laboratory-confirmed patients. Patient zero, who fell ill on December 1, had no link to the seafood market in Wuhan that is widely assumed to be the source of the outbreak. A further 13 of those 41 cases showed no link either. It is possible that the virus began circulating earlier than December. Other analyses separately suggest that containment is now a forlorn hope. The “reproduction number” is thought to lie between two and four — meaning that, on average, each infected person passes the virus to between two and four others. That is high: seasonal flu has a reproduction rate of about 1.4. The incubation period could be about a week, with infected individuals possibly being contagious while showing mild or no symptoms. Neil Ferguson, an Imperial College epidemiologist, estimated that 4,000 were infected by January 18. Jonathan Read, of Lancaster University, and colleagues provisionally calculate that the tally could exceed 190,000 by February 4. A “grave situation” for China, as President Xi Jinping describes the epidemic, is a grave situation for the world. A fifth of the global population is now potentially exposed to a highly transmissible, currently incurable and potentially fatal respiratory virus.

Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of The Lancet, believes a PHEIC declaration should be considered. “The emergency committee [of the WHO] should reconvene as a matter of urgency,” Mr Horton said, adding that he felt there were political sensitivities at play that have not dogged other epidemics, such as Ebola in west Africa. Recent developments, such as a special committee set up by China’s ruling party, have also heightened rather than allayed his concerns. He says: “Not one [of the people on that committee] has any background in public health. That makes me very worried.” Mr Horton also fears the mass social unrest that may accompany prolonged quarantine with patchy information. It is unclear whether the WHO knew in advance of China’s quarantine plans. The language emerging from its meetings has been painfully diplomatic, with its director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus remarking only that he hoped the extreme measures were “both effective and short in their duration”. Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, said it was “right and appropriate” for China to control the first response. Antivirals were going into randomised trials on the ground, he said, and vaccines might become available within six months. He acknowledged, though, that the social consequences of quarantining millions of people remained “uncharted territory”. All factors considered, it is perverse to see the coronavirus outbreak as anything other than a PHEIC. The writer is a science commentator
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on January 29, 2020, 07:38:57 AM
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/29/china-opens-1000-bed-coronavirus-hospital-just-48-hours-construction-12142899/
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on January 29, 2020, 12:06:19 PM

They’ll stack a raft of containers - let’s not label it a hospital & similarly not use it to have a pop at the government here - I wonder how many of us would want to be treated in said “hospital”

It won't be fancy, but people can be treated there in reasonable space providing proper separation between patients, which is better than being on a trolley in a corridor in Limerick hospital with people pushing past you. Of course, nobody wants to be in a hospital at all, but if they can bring nurses etc from other districts they'll be able to provide useful treatment. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on January 29, 2020, 12:43:46 PM

They’ll stack a raft of containers - let’s not label it a hospital & similarly not use it to have a pop at the government here - I wonder how many of us would want to be treated in said “hospital”

It won't be fancy, but people can be treated there in reasonable space providing proper separation between patients, which is better than being on a trolley in a corridor in Limerick hospital with people pushing past you. Of course, nobody wants to be in a hospital at all, but if they can bring nurses etc from other districts they'll be able to provide useful treatment.

I'm not sure I take your point about being on a trolley in Limerick? Are you suggesting pre-fab containers are the way forward for irish hospitals? Will the government just take over the land like the Chinise state to build them?

What their doing is rushing something through to deal with a unfolding crisis which is entirely understandable - not to mention the millions of tonnes of materials which have been stockpiled somewhere to address this.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on January 30, 2020, 11:25:23 AM
Construction of the 1000 bed hospital took just 2 days. Looks well.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Denn Forever on January 30, 2020, 11:52:02 AM
Any word from Asal Mór?  He's over there isn't he?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on January 30, 2020, 02:46:31 PM
Guaranteed Fake News I reckon...

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/doctor-tells-high-court-of-potential-coronavirus-case-in-dublin-hospital-978704.html
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on January 30, 2020, 02:53:34 PM
Construction of the 1000 bed hospital took just 2 days. Looks well.

The 2 day one was a conversion of an old building into a hospital.

They're building another 1000 bed hospital from scratch they hope to have operational for Sunday!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on January 30, 2020, 03:21:58 PM
Construction of the 1000 bed hospital took just 2 days. Looks well.

The 2 day one was a conversion of an old building into a hospital.

They're building another 1000 bed hospital from scratch they hope to have operational for Sunday!

They're trying to break the record for the hospital they built for the SARS outbreak. That hospital was built in 7 days and then they quietly abandoned afterwards.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on January 30, 2020, 03:25:05 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/c1c92b80-3ec1-11ea-b84f-a62c46f39bc2

Containing the spread of the coronavirus is a forlorn hope
A revised timeline suggests it has been circulating longer than first thought

ANJANA AHUJA  A military medical team member and a medical worker at Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital at the weekend

 The world should be more anxious than it was a week ago. According to research published on Friday, a new Sars-like coronavirus has been present in China since December 1, a full month before the alarm was raised. Almost 3,000 people have been diagnosed with the respiratory illness. As of Monday afternoon, 35 cases were outside China. Eighty-one people have died. Despite draconian quarantining, the virus, provisionally known as 2019-nCoV, is spreading.

 Several countries, including the UK, are considering evacuating nationals from the hot zone. It is now time for the World Health Organisation to call a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The revised timeline on when the virus began circulating comes courtesy of two papers in The Lancet medical journal, which reveal other worrying details. One sets out the clinical data on the first 41 laboratory-confirmed patients. Patient zero, who fell ill on December 1, had no link to the seafood market in Wuhan that is widely assumed to be the source of the outbreak. A further 13 of those 41 cases showed no link either. It is possible that the virus began circulating earlier than December. Other analyses separately suggest that containment is now a forlorn hope. The “reproduction number” is thought to lie between two and four — meaning that, on average, each infected person passes the virus to between two and four others. That is high: seasonal flu has a reproduction rate of about 1.4. The incubation period could be about a week, with infected individuals possibly being contagious while showing mild or no symptoms. Neil Ferguson, an Imperial College epidemiologist, estimated that 4,000 were infected by January 18. Jonathan Read, of Lancaster University, and colleagues provisionally calculate that the tally could exceed 190,000 by February 4. A “grave situation” for China, as President Xi Jinping describes the epidemic, is a grave situation for the world. A fifth of the global population is now potentially exposed to a highly transmissible, currently incurable and potentially fatal respiratory virus.

Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of The Lancet, believes a PHEIC declaration should be considered. “The emergency committee [of the WHO] should reconvene as a matter of urgency,” Mr Horton said, adding that he felt there were political sensitivities at play that have not dogged other epidemics, such as Ebola in west Africa. Recent developments, such as a special committee set up by China’s ruling party, have also heightened rather than allayed his concerns. He says: “Not one [of the people on that committee] has any background in public health. That makes me very worried.” Mr Horton also fears the mass social unrest that may accompany prolonged quarantine with patchy information. It is unclear whether the WHO knew in advance of China’s quarantine plans. The language emerging from its meetings has been painfully diplomatic, with its director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus remarking only that he hoped the extreme measures were “both effective and short in their duration”. Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, said it was “right and appropriate” for China to control the first response. Antivirals were going into randomised trials on the ground, he said, and vaccines might become available within six months. He acknowledged, though, that the social consequences of quarantining millions of people remained “uncharted territory”. All factors considered, it is perverse to see the coronavirus outbreak as anything other than a PHEIC. The writer is a science commentator

Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on January 31, 2020, 09:58:36 AM
2 confirmed cases in the UK this morning
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on January 31, 2020, 10:22:42 AM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?

Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2020, 12:14:05 PM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?



Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.

I could be stepping on racial lines here....you know how the world is at the moment, but the Chinese people don't have a great diet - it's well documented that their average calories per day would be less than someone in the Western world, thus making them slightly 'weaker' for want of a better word. 1.4bn people is also a lot of people to immunise (from birth like we would have gotten)....is there a point to be made that this is something that has "been coming"?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on January 31, 2020, 12:26:51 PM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?



Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.

I could be stepping on racial lines here....you know how the world is at the moment, but the Chinese people don't have a great diet - it's well documented that their average calories per day would be less than someone in the Western world, thus making them slightly 'weaker' for want of a better word. 1.4bn people is also a lot of people to immunise (from birth like we would have gotten)....is there a point to be made that this is something that has "been coming"?

Something like 40 million do not have access to clean drinking water either, The overall quality of clean air in China is poor, it is the highest tobacco consumers in the world..these issues are going to have a dire impact on the populations respiratory health.  There will be more deaths but it is nowhere near the amount of deaths seasonal flu causes.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on January 31, 2020, 12:38:08 PM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?



Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.

I could be stepping on racial lines here....you know how the world is at the moment, but the Chinese people don't have a great diet - it's well documented that their average calories per day would be less than someone in the Western world, thus making them slightly 'weaker' for want of a better word. 1.4bn people is also a lot of people to immunise (from birth like we would have gotten)....is there a point to be made that this is something that has "been coming"?

Racist. Reported
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2020, 12:39:55 PM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?



Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.

I could be stepping on racial lines here....you know how the world is at the moment, but the Chinese people don't have a great diet - it's well documented that their average calories per day would be less than someone in the Western world, thus making them slightly 'weaker' for want of a better word. 1.4bn people is also a lot of people to immunise (from birth like we would have gotten)....is there a point to be made that this is something that has "been coming"?

Racist. Reported

I had a good run.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on January 31, 2020, 01:46:59 PM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?



Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.

I could be stepping on racial lines here....you know how the world is at the moment, but the Chinese people don't have a great diet - it's well documented that their average calories per day would be less than someone in the Western world, thus making them slightly 'weaker' for want of a better word. 1.4bn people is also a lot of people to immunise (from birth like we would have gotten)....is there a point to be made that this is something that has "been coming"?

Oh it’s “been coming” alright.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on January 31, 2020, 02:04:05 PM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?



Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.

I could be stepping on racial lines here....you know how the world is at the moment, but the Chinese people don't have a great diet - it's well documented that their average calories per day would be less than someone in the Western world, thus making them slightly 'weaker' for want of a better word. 1.4bn people is also a lot of people to immunise (from birth like we would have gotten)....is there a point to be made that this is something that has "been coming"?

Something like 40 million do not have access to clean drinking water either, The overall quality of clean air in China is poor, it is the highest tobacco consumers in the world..these issues are going to have a dire impact on the populations respiratory health.  There will be more deaths but it is nowhere near the amount of deaths seasonal flu causes.

Was listening to an expert on this the other day. He tried to explain that the situation woould get worse over the next few weeks but ultimately the numbers are not huge and the steps the Chinese are taking are enough.

He also suggested that the evacuation of people back to their home country was an over reaction to the situation.

Like the flu if you're healthy and you contract it you are sick but it's manageable it's just for people who have bad health or certain underlying conditions that this can be fatal.

The rolling global 24 hr news cycle is not helping!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Harold Disgracey on January 31, 2020, 03:55:20 PM

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 31, 2020, 04:00:26 PM
Good one Harold  ;D
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on February 03, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

Yes, they did. The mind boggles indeed.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on February 03, 2020, 12:52:39 PM
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

Yes, they did. The mind boggles indeed.

Think it was 8 days. Mental.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 02:31:50 PM
Just goes to show what a Government can do when they really want to do it. Here you'd have to argue 8 months before you even get to put it to a vote, before some bollox objects then it's 8 years before we do something. Hold on, this is all very Casement Park.

Wouldn't happen in Beijing lads.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on February 03, 2020, 02:36:39 PM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?

Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.
Over 40 flu-related deaths in Ireland this winter.

It's "apples and oranges" to an extent, but if there are 40 deaths in Ireland due to the Corona virus, the country will be locked down!

There was a doctor talking on Newstalk on Friday (who said about the number of flu deaths - think he said it was 48), but he said he wouldn't be surprised if Easter was cancelled! - meaning no travel allowed.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on February 03, 2020, 03:41:03 PM
The Irish lad who caught it in Wuhan got rid of it with an inhaler and a few hot whiskeys.

The 25-year-old man, who has lived in the country for three years to teach English, was kept in hospital for two weeks and feared the worst.
"'I was stunned when the doctors told me I was suffering from the virus. I thought I was going to die but I managed to beat it," Connor said.
“I used the inhaler which helped control the cough and drank a hot whisky with honey until that ran out.
Despite being contacted by the British authorities and offered a place on a flight, Connor intends to stay in Wuhan.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Never beat the deeler on February 04, 2020, 03:01:05 AM


Population of China = 1,427,647,786

Fatal cases of Corona virus in the hundreds and I am going to guess fatal cases of normal flu probably multiples more than that.

Is this a world wide over reaction?

Perhaps. You certainly have a point with the seasonal flu. Scary how so many people don't take it serious.
Over 40 flu-related deaths in Ireland this winter.

It's "apples and oranges" to an extent, but if there are 40 deaths in Ireland due to the Corona virus, the country will be locked down!

There was a doctor talking on Newstalk on Friday (who said about the number of flu deaths - think he said it was 48), but he said he wouldn't be surprised if Easter was cancelled! - meaning no travel allowed.

While I also agree that influenza should generally be taken more seriously, the Corona virus is currently running at 1 death every 50 confirmed cases (or approx 2%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)
While it is difficultt to get similar results for influenza, 15million cases and 8,200 deaths suggests one in 1,800 or 0.055% of cases from this link
https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/flu-reaches-15-million-americans-in-current-season-cdc-reports (https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/flu-reaches-15-million-americans-in-current-season-cdc-reports)

There's obviously going to be lots of different factors - the level of healthcare in the US versus some developing countries in Asia, ability of the body to fight the flu versus the new coronavirus etc but the rate at which it grew initially obviously caused people to take notice
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: nrico2006 on February 04, 2020, 10:39:34 AM
Can this virus be transferred by post - expecting something from China soon.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 10:45:56 AM
Can this virus be transferred by post - expecting something from China soon.

The old dark web huh  8)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on February 04, 2020, 11:21:11 AM
Can this virus be transferred by post - expecting something from China soon.

Try not to lick the packaging and I am sure you will be ok.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Never beat the deeler on February 05, 2020, 02:57:01 AM
Can this virus be transferred by post - expecting something from China soon.

You may find yourself on all sorts of watchlists with that question!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Dire Ear on February 05, 2020, 01:23:53 PM
Can this virus be transferred by post - expecting something from China soon.
unless it's coming by carrier pigeon........... ;D
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fionntamhnach on February 05, 2020, 07:45:34 PM
Can this virus be transferred by post - expecting something from China soon.


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 05, 2020, 07:46:39 PM
Can this virus be transferred by post - expecting something from China soon.
unless it's coming by carrier pigeon........... ;D

Or it was bat shit.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 06, 2020, 01:08:30 AM
Person under observation in Cork.
 https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Coronavirus-fears-at-Cork-University-Hospital-Young-male-is-put-in-isolation-after-showing-symptoms-of-the-deadly-virus-d50a881f-d786-43d6-9e99-0cdbba02739b-ds
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on February 06, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
Senior hurling

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/05/chinas-coronavirus-not-remotely-control-world-economy-mounting2/

China's coronavirus is not remotely under control and the world economy is in mounting peril
•   AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD
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5 FEBRUARY 2020 • 10:34PM

The workshop of the world is closed. China is on a total-war footing. The Communist Party has evoked the "spirit of 1937" and mobilised all the instruments of its totalitarian surveillance system to fight both coronavirus, and the truth. Make GDP forecasts if you dare.
As of this week two-thirds of the Chinese economy remains shut. More than 80pc of its manufacturing industry is closed, rising to 90pc for exporters.
The Chinese economy is 17pc of the world economy and deeply integrated into international supply chains. It was just 4.5pc of world GDP during the SARS epidemic 2003, which some like to use as a reassuring template. You cannot shut down China for long these days without shutting down the world.
Wednesday's investor euphoria at reports of two new wonder drugs from Zhejiang University show how badly unhinged the market has become. This is not the way that medical science advances. Nor could these anti-virals possibly be ready, in time and at scale, to avert serious economic upheaval.
The open question is whether the coronavirus shock is enough to abort the fragile economic recovery underway since last summer’s near miss, when frightened central bankers in the US, Europe and 47 other jurisdictions cut rates in a drastic monetary U-turn.
Personally, I think the glacial SARS episode tells us little about the fast-spreading Wuhan virus. The 2019-nCoV variant is more akin to the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918. It appears to be tracking the 1918 death rate at about 2.3pc (20 times normal winter flu) to the extent that we can believe any figures. There is some evidence that it is nearer 4.9pc in Wuhan.
The difference is that Spanish Flu felled the young, because their immune systems went into overdrive: this virus carries away the old.
There is no global economic safety margin. Both the US Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank have already relaunched quantitative easing - a bizarre thing to do if the US economy is really doing as well as Donald Trump claimed in his State of the Union address. Clearly US strength is a late-cycle illusion. Exhaustion has been masked by both by a blast of monetary stimulus and a fiscal deficit near 5pc of GDP.
The scale of disruption in China is already staggering. Hyundai, the fifth-biggest global car maker, has been forced to close all its factories at home in Korea for lack of key components. Volkswagen, Toyota, General Motors and Tesla have all downed tools at their Chinese plants, as has Apple’s iPhone supplier Foxconn.
Crude prices have dropped 20pc since early January, that long-ago moment when eight Wuhan doctors were already trying to alert the world to the virus, only to be arrested for “spreading rumours”.

How the price of oil has plummeted this year
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This is the biggest shock to oil markets since the Lehman crisis. The collapse in Chinese transport and refinery demand has cut imports by three million barrels a day; some say four million. This is twice the UK’s North Sea oil output. An embattled OPEC is having to talk about yet further output cuts, a horrible surprise as the perpetual petro-drought grinds on into its sixth year.
“It’s now clear that coronavirus is a serious event risk to the entire world and that financial conditions are tightening very quickly,” said Edward Harrison from Credit Writedowns.
The channel of financial contagion runs from the epidemic through the oil price to a “bear market rout” in the broader energy sector, and from there to overstretched US junk bonds. “High yield is where the rubber hits the road,” he said.
The coronavirus is the sort of Black Swan catalyst that the US Treasury’s Office of Financial Research (OFR) frets about. Its latest stability report said corporate bonds are an accident waiting for such a trigger. The ratio of junk bonds with debt-to-earnings ratios above six has reached 30pc, above the pre-Lehman peak.
The number of investment-grade securities rated BBB or lower has risen fivefold since 2008, many perched just above junk. If fear takes hold there is likely to be a cascade of downgrades and "fallen angels", setting off a fire-sale by bond funds.
Commodity markets have taken the crisis on the chin because they are instant barometers of actual demand. Equity markets are instead shrugging off the Wuhan virus as media noise, betting that China’s factories will reopen on February 14 or thereabouts as Beijing brings the epidemic under control.
This is a brave assumption and I can only marvel at analysts suggesting that the infection rate may be tailing off based on each day’s official data. Are they aware of the astonishing accounts of Kafkaesque reality in Wuhan, Huanggang, and soon no doubt the 35m-strong megalopolis of Chongqing, where Britain has just closed its consulate?
Are they reading dispatches from Caixin or in the South China Morning Post revealing a desperate shortage of testing kits and tales of the walking afflicted (transport has been shut down) queuing for hours at hospitals, only to be turned away and sent home to die undiagnosed.
These glimpses of truth are about to vanish. The propaganda police have ordered those within their direct reach to conduct an “editorial review”. Stories are being censored aggressively. Outsiders will be silenced in subtler ways.
The coronavirus numbers are patently fiction:
Far more have died than the official tally of 493. A Lancet study last week by the University of Hong Kong estimated that the Chinese authorities have understated the epidemic tenfold. This was based on a spread rate of 2.68 per case and a doubling in total numbers every 6.4 days, matched with known travel movements within China and globally since the outbreak.
It calculated even then that the true figure for Wuhan was likely to be 76,000, and that Chongqing,  Changsha, Nanchang, are already riddled with the disease. “Independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally could become inevitable,” it said.
Views differ but it is striking how many global experts - when not under political pressure  - say it may already be too late to stop the spread. “It’s very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic,” said Anthony Fauci, head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.
It is the same warning from an “increasingly alarmed” Peter Piot, head of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The danger is that it will become endemic and circulate everywhere like flu, a manageable headwind for rich countries with good health care but a Sword of Damocles having over Africa or South Asia.
There is an inherent contradiction in the market’s nonchalance. Yes, it is possible that China’s 50-million lockdown and use of extreme surveillance and coercive power will accelerate the process of “contact tracking”, catching enough of those infected before they can spread it further. Such a hi-tech totalitarian response to an epidemic has never been tried before.
But the more thoroughly China enforces this, the greater the global economic shock is likely to be. How can industrial plants really be reopened next week? Yet if it takes another month, it becomes progressively harder to contain the international economic damage, and raises the risk of a Minsky Moment within China’s own hyper-leveraged system keeps rising.
We are in treacherous waters. The People’s Bank can no longer flick its fingers and ignite instant growth. Debt saturation and weak credit demand have furred up the monetary transmission channels. Extreme rate cuts and "QE with Chinese characteristics" would threaten to set of a yuan slide and ultimately a repeat of the 2015 currency crisis.
For now global markets remain in Pavlovian mode. There will always be more Chinese stimulus. Uncle Xi will always look after everybody. Close China-watchers - and some very sharp scientists - suspect that this latest flurry of optimism is just a lull before the thunderstorm.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 06, 2020, 06:11:23 PM
Original whistleblower doctor dies of virus.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 06, 2020, 10:21:50 PM
While I also agree that influenza should generally be taken more seriously, the Corona virus is currently running at 1 death every 50 confirmed cases (or approx 2%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)

I was wondering if the confirmed deaths tally was right (and not being underestimated) given the early reaction, but then your link says this:

Quote
A study found that out of 41 admitted hospital patients who had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection in China, 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died.[5]

Any wonder they were scared shitless if that was the earlier mortality rates.

So reasonably confident they are reporting true numbers (not that 2% is good or anything, but its better than 15%!).
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 06, 2020, 11:30:58 PM
While I also agree that influenza should generally be taken more seriously, the Corona virus is currently running at 1 death every 50 confirmed cases (or approx 2%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)

I was wondering if the confirmed deaths tally was right (and not being underestimated) given the early reaction, but then your link says this:

Quote
A study found that out of 41 admitted hospital patients who had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection in China, 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died.[5]

Any wonder they were scared shitless if that was the earlier mortality rates.

So reasonably confident they are reporting true numbers (not that 2% is good or anything, but its better than 15%!).

Not everyone went to hospital though, some people only had moderate symptoms like 'flu. Only those badly affected ended up in hospital and more of these died.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on February 07, 2020, 12:57:09 AM
So, are we all fucked lads?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Never beat the deeler on February 07, 2020, 01:39:14 AM
While I also agree that influenza should generally be taken more seriously, the Corona virus is currently running at 1 death every 50 confirmed cases (or approx 2%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)

I was wondering if the confirmed deaths tally was right (and not being underestimated) given the early reaction, but then your link says this:

Quote
A study found that out of 41 admitted hospital patients who had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection in China, 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died.[5]

Any wonder they were scared shitless if that was the earlier mortality rates.

So reasonably confident they are reporting true numbers (not that 2% is good or anything, but its better than 15%!).

Not everyone went to hospital though, some people only had moderate symptoms like 'flu. Only those badly affected ended up in hospital and more of these died.

But that would be the same with flu. The mortality rate for influenza is 0.055% of reported cases. Similarly, lots of people wouldn't report if they had the flu
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 07, 2020, 01:45:53 AM
So, are we all fucked lads?

Only 2% of us.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on February 11, 2020, 02:53:15 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/11/china-cannot-fight-coronavirus-avert-economic-crisis-time/

Ole Hansen, Saxo Bank’s oil guru, said it is becoming a commodity massacre. “The world is facing the biggest demand shock since the 2009 global financial crisis”.
There is an inherent contradiction in the market’s nonchalance. Yes, it is possible that China’s 50-million lockdown and use of extreme surveillance and coercive power will accelerate the process of “contact tracking”, catching enough of those infected before they can spread it further. Such a hi-tech totalitarian response to an epidemic has never been tried before.
Shipping has buckled. Lloyd’s List says tanker rates have crashed. To be exact, spot earnings on the TD3C Middle East to China route have fallen to $16,000 a day from $115,000 in early January, a pattern replicated for smaller vessels. It said "SIRE" ship inspections cannot be carried out in much of Asia. The closure of Chinese shipyards has paralysed drydock and retrofit work.
This from Richard Meade at Lloyd’s List: “This health emergency has paralysed ports, it has disrupted schedules across all sectors, led to serious challenges for crew management, and prompted a round of container services to be withdrawn, with lines now forecasting issues well into the second quarter of the year. It has thrown the global gas market into turmoil,” he said.
He told me Lloyd’s is getting reports of ships floating round Asia unable to dock at port after port, and running out of food.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fionntamhnach on February 11, 2020, 08:29:35 PM
Chinese scholar blames Xi Jinping, Communist Party for not controlling coronavirus outbreak


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A prominent Chinese scholar has published an article criticising the country’s leadership for failing to control the coronavirus outbreak that has infected almost 25,000 people around the world.

Xu Zhangrun, a law professor at Tsinghua University in Beijing, who has been under close surveillance by the authorities, blamed Communist Party leaders for putting politics ahead of the people in his strongly worded piece, which was published on several overseas Chinese-language websites this week.

“The political system has collapsed under the tyranny, and a governance system [made up] of bureaucrats, which has taken [the party] more than 30 years to build has floundered,” he said in a reference to how reform-minded leaders sought to rebuild the country and modernise the government after the death of Mao Zedong in 1976 and moved away from one-man rule to collective leadership.

Xu was suspended from teaching at Tsinghua University in 2018, after the publication of an article in which he criticised the decision by party leaders to lift the two-term limit for presidents, allowing Xi Jinping to remain in office beyond his second term, which ends in 2023.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3049233/chinese-scholar-blames-xi-jinping-communist-party-not

Also, a website & map tracking cases worldwide...

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Muck Savage on February 11, 2020, 11:25:30 PM
While I also agree that influenza should generally be taken more seriously, the Corona virus is currently running at 1 death every 50 confirmed cases (or approx 2%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)

I was wondering if the confirmed deaths tally was right (and not being underestimated) given the early reaction, but then your link says this:

Quote
A study found that out of 41 admitted hospital patients who had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection in China, 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died.[5]

Any wonder they were scared shitless if that was the earlier mortality rates.

So reasonably confident they are reporting true numbers (not that 2% is good or anything, but its better than 15%!).

Not everyone went to hospital though, some people only had moderate symptoms like 'flu. Only those badly affected ended up in hospital and more of these died.

But that would be the same with flu. The mortality rate for influenza is 0.055% of reported cases. Similarly, lots of people wouldn't report if they had the flu

I don’t understand where 2% is coming from. To date ~43k people confirmed to have got it, 4.3K cured and ~1K dead. That’s close to a 20% kill rate! It has to be based on cured/dead and not based on number of people that got it. There’s still about 38K with it and they could go either way before this is done.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on February 12, 2020, 12:30:19 AM
While I also agree that influenza should generally be taken more seriously, the Corona virus is currently running at 1 death every 50 confirmed cases (or approx 2%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)

I was wondering if the confirmed deaths tally was right (and not being underestimated) given the early reaction, but then your link says this:

Quote
A study found that out of 41 admitted hospital patients who had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection in China, 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died.[5]

Any wonder they were scared shitless if that was the earlier mortality rates.

So reasonably confident they are reporting true numbers (not that 2% is good or anything, but its better than 15%!).

Not everyone went to hospital though, some people only had moderate symptoms like 'flu. Only those badly affected ended up in hospital and more of these died.

But that would be the same with flu. The mortality rate for influenza is 0.055% of reported cases. Similarly, lots of people wouldn't report if they had the flu

I don’t understand where 2% is coming from. To date ~43k people confirmed to have got it, 4.3K cured and ~1K dead. That’s close to a 20% kill rate! It has to be based on cured/dead and not based on number of people that got it. There’s still about 38K with it and they could go either way before this is done.

I think I would leave the calculation of mortality rates to people who do this for a living and not to some randomer on gaaboard making up his own percentages!!!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 12, 2020, 12:56:33 AM
Quote
But that would be the same with flu. The mortality rate for influenza is 0.055% of reported cases. Similarly, lots of people wouldn't report if they had the flu

I wonder what effect is the present environment in China having on the spread of regular flu'? This might be good data for modelling the new virus.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on February 12, 2020, 01:09:24 AM
While I also agree that influenza should generally be taken more seriously, the Corona virus is currently running at 1 death every 50 confirmed cases (or approx 2%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)

I was wondering if the confirmed deaths tally was right (and not being underestimated) given the early reaction, but then your link says this:

Quote
A study found that out of 41 admitted hospital patients who had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection in China, 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died.[5]

Any wonder they were scared shitless if that was the earlier mortality rates.

So reasonably confident they are reporting true numbers (not that 2% is good or anything, but its better than 15%!).

Not everyone went to hospital though, some people only had moderate symptoms like 'flu. Only those badly affected ended up in hospital and more of these died.

But that would be the same with flu. The mortality rate for influenza is 0.055% of reported cases. Similarly, lots of people wouldn't report if they had the flu

I don’t understand where 2% is coming from. To date ~43k people confirmed to have got it, 4.3K cured and ~1K dead. That’s close to a 20% kill rate! It has to be based on cured/dead and not based on number of people that got it. There’s still about 38K with it and they could go either way before this is done.

Mortality rate is the % of those infected who died from the infection.  Going by your figures, that's 1/43, which is slightly more than 2%.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Never beat the deeler on February 12, 2020, 02:45:55 AM
While I also agree that influenza should generally be taken more seriously, the Corona virus is currently running at 1 death every 50 confirmed cases (or approx 2%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)

I was wondering if the confirmed deaths tally was right (and not being underestimated) given the early reaction, but then your link says this:

Quote
A study found that out of 41 admitted hospital patients who had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection in China, 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died.[5]

Any wonder they were scared shitless if that was the earlier mortality rates.

So reasonably confident they are reporting true numbers (not that 2% is good or anything, but its better than 15%!).

Not everyone went to hospital though, some people only had moderate symptoms like 'flu. Only those badly affected ended up in hospital and more of these died.

But that would be the same with flu. The mortality rate for influenza is 0.055% of reported cases. Similarly, lots of people wouldn't report if they had the flu

I don’t understand where 2% is coming from. To date ~43k people confirmed to have got it, 4.3K cured and ~1K dead. That’s close to a 20% kill rate! It has to be based on cured/dead and not based on number of people that got it. There’s still about 38K with it and they could go either way before this is done.

Did you read the link i posted?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)

I'm no expert, but until someone debunks this site, it seems an interesting source
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on February 12, 2020, 09:02:27 AM
It looks more serious than SARS

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-china-death-toll-latest/

Two more British passengers aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, bringing the total number of Britons infected aboard the vessel to three.

An additional 39 people on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship off the Japan coast have tested positive for the new coronavirus, bringing the total to 174.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 12, 2020, 07:07:13 PM
The number of cases of infection with the new coronavirus in China has stabilised, but that apparent slowdown in the epidemic spread should be viewed with "extreme caution", the head of the World Health Organisation (WHO) said in Geneva on Wednesday (Feb 12).
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on February 12, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
https://time.com/5782129/cruise-ship-stranded-coronavirus-fears/

The captain would surely have a level of indignation to surpass  anything that Mickey Harte and the Tyrone boys could come up with.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 16, 2020, 02:54:55 AM
Chinese government disinfecting used banknotes when they reach banks.


A total of 68,500 people have now been infected, the national health commission said, with most deaths occurring in
Hubei.

Meanwhile, a total of 9,419 patients  had been discharged from hospital after recovery by the end of Saturday. Saturday saw 1,323 people walk out of hospital after recovery, the commission said.

The number of new cases in other parts of the country has dropped for twelve straight days.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2020, 02:26:22 AM

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on February 18, 2020, 09:45:57 AM
The quarantine on this cruise ship must be first class, might as well threw them all into the ball room and let them at it, no one is safe on that thing.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on February 18, 2020, 10:40:28 AM
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on February 18, 2020, 03:11:34 PM
Quote
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept

Its appears to be a reason for the outbreak.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on February 18, 2020, 03:40:28 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0218/1116054-coronavirus-factsheet/

Whole thing is overblown.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 18, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0218/1116054-coronavirus-factsheet/

Whole thing is overblown.

Good reliable source

'Here are the main findings from the paper by the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDC)'

Bit like Kim Jong-un telling the North Koreans he wins the Olympic 100m gold.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 18, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept?

These things spread, in Ireland most everyone (and most on this board) get a cold in the course of a winter.
The initial step from the animal virus to the human may have been more likely in China than here.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on February 18, 2020, 04:25:17 PM
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept?

These things spread, in Ireland most everyone (and most on this board) get a cold in the course of a winter.
The initial step from the animal virus to the human may have been more likely in China than here.

It was similar with the ebola outbreak. Didn't a lot of the mourners insist on touching and kissing the dead bodies? Surely an education program around hand washing etc is a good start with these countries. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on February 18, 2020, 04:58:07 PM
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept?

These things spread, in Ireland most everyone (and most on this board) get a cold in the course of a winter.
The initial step from the animal virus to the human may have been more likely in China than here.

It was similar with the ebola outbreak. Didn't a lot of the mourners insist on touching and kissing the dead bodies? Surely an education program around hand washing etc is a good start with these countries.

It is a good start with all countries.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 18, 2020, 05:54:39 PM
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept?

These things spread, in Ireland most everyone (and most on this board) get a cold in the course of a winter.
The initial step from the animal virus to the human may have been more likely in China than here.

It was similar with the ebola outbreak. Didn't a lot of the mourners insist on touching and kissing the dead bodies? Surely an education program around hand washing etc is a good start with these countries.

It is a good start with all countries.
Still fellas in work who wouldn't wash their hands after using the bog.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on February 18, 2020, 06:04:08 PM
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept?

These things spread, in Ireland most everyone (and most on this board) get a cold in the course of a winter.
The initial step from the animal virus to the human may have been more likely in China than here.

It was similar with the ebola outbreak. Didn't a lot of the mourners insist on touching and kissing the dead bodies? Surely an education program around hand washing etc is a good start with these countries.

It is a good start with all countries.
Still fellas in work who wouldn't wash their hands after using the bog.

I hope you don’t work in a restaurant!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BenDover on February 19, 2020, 08:01:59 AM
Still fellas in work who wouldn't wash their hands after using the bog.

There's nothing as bad as a middle aged man going to the bog and not washing his hands, we see it here all the time ffs  >:( >:(
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on February 19, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept?

Cities like Wuhan still have wet markets in which wild animals are sold for their meat alongside chickens etc. Unrefrigerated. A paradise for viruses.
The Chinese are hoors for Pangolin and other endangered species.

I saw meat on an openair slab in Egypt one time with flies taking off and landing like at an airport.
Food hygiene isn't a priority in many countries.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Keyser soze on February 19, 2020, 01:14:47 PM
Still fellas in work who wouldn't wash their hands after using the bog.

There's nothing as bad as a middle aged man going to the bog and not washing his hands, we see it here all the time ffs  >:( >:(

What has age got to do with it? Is it more disturbing seeing a mature person doing it?

You would see lots of young lads at the exact same craic in any bog in the country on a night out... some of them have the pleasant habit of running their fingers through their trendy hairdo to make sure it is sitting just so after pissing over their hands. Hard to beat the lads who actually lick their fingers before starting on the hair though.....
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on February 19, 2020, 03:23:05 PM
The bit I struggle with in hygeine is after you go to the toilet, turn the tap on, wash your hands and then turn the tap off. You just touched the tap your dirty hands and many other dirty hands have just touched.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 19, 2020, 03:33:32 PM
The bit I struggle with in hygeine is after you go to the toilet, turn the tap on, wash your hands and then turn the tap off. You just touched the tap your dirty hands and many other dirty hands have just touched.

Taps aren't even the worst, how many toilets have a push door going in, with a handle on the inside. Even if you wash your hands you are undone once you go back through the door.
The only solution is to use a tissue for the tap and the door handle.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on February 19, 2020, 03:43:44 PM
When you think of all the handles, locks, doors you touch, then you go handling your  bits. Feck knows what you might pass on to your Netherlands region. God it’s a minefield.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on February 19, 2020, 04:19:38 PM
Think about how much you handle money and how many people have touched that to really give you the heebie jeebies!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 19, 2020, 04:45:00 PM
Think about how much you handle money and how many people have touched that to really give you the heebie jeebies!

indeed in China the banks are now disinfecting money when it reaches them and not putting back into circulation for 14 days.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thebuzz on February 19, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
Is the reason this disease has spread so quickly in China because of the very poor sanitary conditions that they tend to accept?

These things spread, in Ireland most everyone (and most on this board) get a cold in the course of a winter.
The initial step from the animal virus to the human may have been more likely in China than here.

It was similar with the ebola outbreak. Didn't a lot of the mourners insist on touching and kissing the dead bodies? Surely an education program around hand washing etc is a good start with these countries.

It is a good start with all countries.
Still fellas in work who wouldn't wash their hands after using the bog.

Reminds me of being at the Archway Tavern in North London many years ago. Some guy was giving my mate a hard time about not washing his hands when coming from the toilet. He turned around and said 'Me ma taught me not to pee on my hand!' . I thought it was a good one at the time. :) :) The same boy was always neat and tidy and could get a girl every night he went out.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on February 25, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
Armagh boys and girls school due to head to Italy in next few weeks on trips, worrying times.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on February 25, 2020, 12:23:23 PM
Worrying headline coming from AP!!

Quote
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The head of Iran’s counter-coronavirus task force has tested positive for the virus himself!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: lurganblue on February 25, 2020, 03:48:08 PM
One positive is the old "Now offer everyone the sign of peace" handshake has gone from mass at the minute.  Hateful at the best of times.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 25, 2020, 04:04:06 PM
I think the next two weeks will show containment has utterly failed.

Question then is how to best treat those with it.

Hospitals probably won't be an option as there is nothing like sufficient space - and folks with already weakened immune systems should not be exposed where possible.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 25, 2020, 04:09:42 PM
shut the airports.

now.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 25, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
shut the airports.

now.

Not going to happen. It's the flu with a fatality rate of something like 1 or 2%. Not really a reason to shut down airports to be honest.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 25, 2020, 04:23:43 PM
I think the next two weeks will show containment has utterly failed.

Containment has not "utterly" failed. Cases outside Hubei in China are falling, there are few new cases in places like Singapore.

The problem is how do you get things back to normal. If people who have had it do not remain infectious and do not get it again (unknown), then in Hubei there are now a significant number of people who could help others etc.

Not going to happen. It's the flu with a fatality rate of something like 1 or 2%. Not really a reason to shut down airports to be honest.

2% of the population of Ireland is 130,000 people. Easy to say don't worry about it if it isn't your family dying.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 25, 2020, 04:34:18 PM
I think the next two weeks will show containment has utterly failed.

Containment has not "utterly" failed. Cases outside Hubei in China are falling, there are few new cases in places like Singapore.

The problem is how do you get things back to normal. If people who have had it do not remain infectious and do not get it again (unknown), then in Hubei there are now a significant number of people who could help others etc.

Not going to happen. It's the flu with a fatality rate of something like 1 or 2%. Not really a reason to shut down airports to be honest.

2% of the population of Ireland is 130,000 people. Easy to say don't worry about it if it isn't your family dying.

Not everyone will contract. Even if they do, vast majority still show no major effects other than common influenza.

Mass hysteria.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: gallsman on February 25, 2020, 04:41:32 PM
I think the next two weeks will show containment has utterly failed.

Containment has not "utterly" failed. Cases outside Hubei in China are falling, there are few new cases in places like Singapore.

The problem is how do you get things back to normal. If people who have had it do not remain infectious and do not get it again (unknown), then in Hubei there are now a significant number of people who could help others etc.

Not going to happen. It's the flu with a fatality rate of something like 1 or 2%. Not really a reason to shut down airports to be honest.

2% of the population of Ireland is 130,000 people. Easy to say don't worry about it if it isn't your family dying.

2% of the affected population die, not 2% of the entire population.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on February 25, 2020, 04:47:01 PM
shut the airports.

now.


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 25, 2020, 04:48:04 PM
I think the next two weeks will show containment has utterly failed.

Containment has not "utterly" failed. Cases outside Hubei in China are falling, there are few new cases in places like Singapore.

Utterly failed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-korean-air/one-of-korean-airs-cabin-crew-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-idUSKCN20J0GK

Was on an A380 into (and out of) LA.


[Will have been handing out food & beverages to passengers.]
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Denn Forever on February 25, 2020, 05:01:26 PM
school trips.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0225/1117449-europe-coronavirus/
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 25, 2020, 05:10:17 PM
2% of the affected population die, not 2% of the entire population.

So, given that nobody has had it before and there is no vaccine, what proportion of people will get it?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on February 25, 2020, 05:16:54 PM

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 25, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
Given what we know at this stage and what might happen, the only logical next step is to panic.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on February 25, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
2% of the affected population die, not 2% of the entire population.

So, given that nobody has had it before and there is no vaccine, what proportion of people will get it?

Nobody knows what proportion will get it. People can have the virus and be completely fine for 14 days before showing symptoms. In that time they may have infected others in that time and it just cascades down. I think it would be extremely difficult to contain especially when you consider how slow China's response was to it...someone estimated that 5 million people would have visited and left the Hubei province between the first reported case and the lockdown. There are probably 10,000's of cases that are not being reported - Look at the super spreader from the UK - he thought it was just a cold and got on with his life.

Coronavirus supposedly started at the end of December but another study suggested it started on 1st December 2019. China's response to the virus has been poor and taking into consideration numerous factors such as how densely populated China is, poor hygiene practices both there and abroad I wouldn't be surprised if this virus is already worldwide but just isn't as dangerous as the media would have us believe.

I would suggest the best protection against the virus would be to wash hands with soap, cough/sneeze into your arm rather than through the air and when opening closing doors etc use your sleeve/arm. Try not to pick your nose, eat food, rub your eyes before washing your hands.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on February 25, 2020, 05:44:14 PM
2% of the affected population die, not 2% of the entire population.

So, given that nobody has had it before and there is no vaccine, what proportion of people will get it?

Nobody knows what proportion will get it. People can have the virus and be completely fine for 14 days before showing symptoms. In that time they may have infected others in that time and it just cascades down. I think it would be extremely difficult to contain especially when you consider how slow China's response was to it...someone estimated that 5 million people would have visited and left the Hubei province between the first reported case and the lockdown. There are probably 10,000's of cases that are not being reported - Look at the super spreader from the UK - he thought it was just a cold and got on with his life.

Coronavirus supposedly started at the end of December but another study suggested it started on 1st December 2019. China's response to the virus has been poor and taking into consideration numerous factors such as how densely populated China is, poor hygiene practices both there and abroad I wouldn't be surprised if this virus is already worldwide but just isn't as dangerous as the media would have us believe.

I would suggest the best protection against the virus would be to wash hands with soap, cough/sneeze into your arm rather than through the air and when opening closing doors etc use your sleeve/arm. Try not to pick your nose, eat food, rub your eyes before washing your hands.

WTF???
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 25, 2020, 06:12:15 PM
WTF???

Try not to eat food before you wash your hands...
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 25, 2020, 06:13:30 PM
Given what we know at this stage and what might happen, the only logical next step is to panic.

Buy a big freezer and get Sky, Netflix and Prime subscriptions and big drum of Dettol, and wait it out.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 25, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
Given what we know at this stage and what might happen, the only logical next step is to panic.

Buy a big freezer and get Sky, Netflix and Prime subscriptions and big drum of Dettol, and wait it out.

Away of that with yer bubblebath dettol.

Jeyes fluid is what yer lookin.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 25, 2020, 07:08:06 PM
Given what we know at this stage and what might happen, the only logical next step is to panic.

Buy a big freezer and get Sky, Netflix and Prime subscriptions and big drum of Dettol, and wait it out.

Away of that with yer bubblebath dettol.

Jeyes fluid is what yer lookin.

Either goes down well with Fever Tree.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 25, 2020, 09:21:21 PM
Well they are going to stop the rugby anyway.
Paddy's day looks a bit dodgy.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on February 25, 2020, 09:52:07 PM
Sounds like a possible outbreak in Bray!

After what’s going on in Italy there’s no way the rugby is going ahead unless it’s later behind closed doors or something... interesting point from IRFU though are Ireland not accepting flights from Italy now??
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Rois on February 25, 2020, 10:00:34 PM
Not wishing to be a scaremonger...but I’m in a WhatsApp group with a number of senior UK people in my firm, and one partner said today that he had lunch with a “very senior medical bod” who said the UK authorities are planning for potentially dealing with 60% infection rate, 100k deaths in the UK, and a peak outside of China in May. It is obviously worst case, but still worrying.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2020, 10:09:36 PM
Hopefully it’s finished by July! Holiday booked and paid ffs!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 25, 2020, 10:30:54 PM
Not wishing to be a scaremonger...but I’m in a WhatsApp group with a number of senior UK people in my firm, and one partner said today that he had lunch with a “very senior medical bod” who said the UK authorities are planning for potentially dealing with 60% infection rate, 100k deaths in the UK, and a peak outside of China in May. It is obviously worst case, but still worrying.

Probably 60% of the world will get it, but some of these measures are delaying things, so perhaps no peak in May. There is an advantage in delay, over the summer it may not get going in the northern hemisphere and if people get it over several months there is some chance of hospitals being able to cope. There are new tests being devised all the time and probably some better understanding of treatments. In a year or so they'll have a vaccine.

Hopefully it’s finished by July! Holiday booked and paid ffs!

Probably July will be the peak, the twelfth will be cancelled. I'm supposed to be in Asia then  :(
I would make sure that you have travel insurance.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: gallsman on February 25, 2020, 11:20:54 PM
Case in Barcelona today. I fly home Thursday for the weekend. I'd about Dublin airport then and Monday morning if I were you.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Ambrose on February 25, 2020, 11:44:37 PM
Case in Barcelona today. I fly home Thursday for the weekend. I'd about Dublin airport then and Monday morning if I were you.

Wife was supposed to be attending a conference in Barcelona next week, but the company have cancelled all foreign travel. They are putting in place contingency plans so everyone can work from home.

I normally wouldn't take much notice of these things, but we are going to make sure we have enough food and basic essentials to last for at least two weeks.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 25, 2020, 11:45:25 PM
Case in Barcelona today. I fly home Thursday for the weekend. I'd about Dublin airport then and Monday morning if I were you.

even by Gaaboard standards this is unusually incomprehensible advice.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on February 26, 2020, 12:48:36 AM
Sure let’s cancel the rugby, but let all the Italians who’ll be using their flights anyway head over to Ireland for the weekend ... WTF.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 26, 2020, 01:15:27 AM
Watched the World News Tonight on ABC in the States and was reported that it will be when not if when it hits the US. Shortage on N95 respirator medical masks, only 30 million for Dept of Homeland Security and medical professionals alone would need 300 million. Did a google search for the mask near Chicago, all sold out. Amazon and Ebay are seeing 300-1500% markup on masks and will only get worse.

People worldwide will be hoarding every staple you use in everyday life till contaiment, there were armed people stealing toliet paper in China. This virus will bring out the worst in human society.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: omaghjoe on February 26, 2020, 03:06:11 AM
Sure let’s cancel the rugby, but let all the Italians who’ll be using their flights anyway head over to Ireland for the weekend ... WTF.
:-)
Musta killed A Fine Gaeler to cancel the rugby
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: omaghjoe on February 26, 2020, 03:09:53 AM
Watched the World News Tonight on ABC in the States and was reported that it will be when not if when it hits the US. Shortage on N95 respirator medical masks, only 30 million for Dept of Homeland Security and medical professionals alone would need 300 million. Did a google search for the mask near Chicago, all sold out. Amazon and Ebay are seeing 300-1500% markup on masks and will only get worse.

People worldwide will be hoarding every staple you use in everyday life till contaiment, there were armed people stealing toliet paper in China. This virus will bring out the worst in human society.

What for I wonder, sure they dont use it for what we do with it
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: gallsman on February 26, 2020, 06:35:00 AM
Case in Barcelona today. I fly home Thursday for the weekend. I'd about Dublin airport then and Monday morning if I were you.

even by Gaaboard standards this is unusually incomprehensible advice.

Auto-correct cheerfully naturally corrected, my good man
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on February 26, 2020, 09:15:02 AM
Keep and eye on this;

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Hereiam on February 26, 2020, 12:01:47 PM
Christ almighty its only a bad sniffle that is going about. Governments are not worried about peoples health they are only worried about a dip in their GDP as when it hits alot people will be off sick at the one time for a considerable period of time.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: JoG2 on February 26, 2020, 12:07:43 PM
Not wishing to be a scaremonger...but I’m in a WhatsApp group with a number of senior UK people in my firm, and one partner said today that he had lunch with a “very senior medical bod” who said the UK authorities are planning for potentially dealing with 60% infection rate, 100k deaths in the UK, and a peak outside of China in May. It is obviously worst case, but still worrying.


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 26, 2020, 12:25:09 PM
Why aren't people as panicked about seasonal influenza? It kills far far more people every year than Coronavirus ever will.

The flu kills around 1 in 50000 people it infects.

This kills around 1 in 50 people it infects.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
Why aren't people as panicked about seasonal influenza? It kills far far more people every year than Coronavirus ever will.

The flu kills around 1 in 50000 people it infects.

This kills around 1 in 50 people it infects.


As of the latest information there are 80,239 infections (908 considered new).

Total worldwide deaths are 2,666 in China and 34 Otherwise Worldwide

80,239 / 2700 = 29.71

1 in 29, now I don't have the time but I bet if we profile the 2,700 deaths nearly all will be over 60 and already sick which lowers this number even further as we consider ourselves a relatively healthy nation with a fairly decent immunisation scheme from birth.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on February 26, 2020, 12:40:45 PM
Why aren't people as panicked about seasonal influenza? It kills far far more people every year than Coronavirus ever will.

A few reasons

1. This is a new virus, previously unknown in humans. We don't know that much about it or what possible mutations may occur
2. There's currently no vaccination for this virus
3. Open to correction on this but the incubation period for the seasonal flu is ~3 days during which time you're not contagious compared to ~14 days for this virus during which you are contagious
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on February 26, 2020, 12:53:53 PM
Sure let’s cancel the rugby, but let all the Italians who’ll be using their flights anyway head over to Ireland for the weekend ... WTF.
:-)
Musta killed A Fine Gaeler to cancel the rugby

Matt Cooper was so upset about the rugby yesterday that, wait for it, he actually openly criticised a FG minister. The potential effects of Corona Virus really are seismic.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on February 26, 2020, 01:08:40 PM
Sure let’s cancel the rugby, but let all the Italians who’ll be using their flights anyway head over to Ireland for the weekend ... WTF.
:-)
Musta killed A Fine Gaeler to cancel the rugby

Matt Cooper was so upset about the rugby yesterday that, wait for it, he actually openly criticised a FG minister. The potential effects of Corona Virus really are seismic.

We truly live in a defining era.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on February 26, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
Sure let’s cancel the rugby, but let all the Italians who’ll be using their flights anyway head over to Ireland for the weekend ... WTF.
:-)
Musta killed A Fine Gaeler to cancel the rugby

Matt Cooper was so upset about the rugby yesterday that, wait for it, he actually openly criticised a FG minister. The potential effects of Corona Virus really are seismic.

We truly live in a defining era.

Ah, but the Army Council something or other................... it's their fault
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: lurganblue on February 26, 2020, 02:27:19 PM
Why aren't people as panicked about seasonal influenza? It kills far far more people every year than Coronavirus ever will.

A few reasons

1. This is a new virus, previously unknown in humans. We don't know that much about it or what possible mutations may occur
2. There's currently no vaccination for this virus
3. Open to correction on this but the incubation period for the seasonal flu is ~3 days during which time you're not contagious compared to ~14 days for this virus during which you are contagious

If you already have underlying health conditions that mean you are immunised for the flu every year, then I would be quite concerned by the new virus.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
Keep and eye on this;

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

Great guide - also interesting how we manage to get loads of people to think this is doomsday, suppose it makes more interesting news when there are 30k of 80k completely confirmed clear of the virus.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 26, 2020, 02:36:54 PM
Keep and eye on this;

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

Great guide - also interesting how we manage to get loads of people to think this is doomsday, suppose it makes more interesting news when there are 30k of 80k completely confirmed clear of the virus.

This is not going to wipe out the human race.
However, if it comes in a wave so that hospitals cannot cope then a lot of vulnerable people may die.
If you take somewhere like Singapore which was not overwhelmed and has a good health system, then it is manageable. The aim in Europe is to do likewise. However, in Italy it got going without anyone spotting it, even though flights to China had been stopped.

Singapore
Confirmed: 91
Deaths: 0
Recovered: 62
Existing: 29
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 26, 2020, 03:36:31 PM
Why aren't people as panicked about seasonal influenza? It kills far far more people every year than Coronavirus ever will.

The flu kills around 1 in 50000 people it infects.

This kills around 1 in 50 people it infects.


As of the latest information there are 80,239 infections (908 considered new).

Total worldwide deaths are 2,666 in China and 34 Otherwise Worldwide

80,239 / 2700 = 29.71

1 in 29, now I don't have the time but I bet if we profile the 2,700 deaths nearly all will be over 60 and already sick which lowers this number even further as we consider ourselves a relatively healthy nation with a fairly decent immunisation scheme from birth.

No.

That is completely wrong. You cannot measure mortality rates by including people who have yet to recover (or yet to die I suppose, but lets be optimistic!).

As of what I have to hand, there are 2,770 deaths and 30,311 cured. That is nearly 10%.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Dire Ear on February 26, 2020, 03:41:30 PM
Coronavirus: Ireland v Italy Six Nations games postponed over health concerns
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
Why aren't people as panicked about seasonal influenza? It kills far far more people every year than Coronavirus ever will.

The flu kills around 1 in 50000 people it infects.

This kills around 1 in 50 people it infects.


As of the latest information there are 80,239 infections (908 considered new).

Total worldwide deaths are 2,666 in China and 34 Otherwise Worldwide

80,239 / 2700 = 29.71

1 in 29, now I don't have the time but I bet if we profile the 2,700 deaths nearly all will be over 60 and already sick which lowers this number even further as we consider ourselves a relatively healthy nation with a fairly decent immunisation scheme from birth.

No.

That is completely wrong. You cannot measure mortality rates by including people who have yet to recover (or yet to die I suppose, but lets be optimistic!).

As of what I have to hand, there are 2,770 deaths and 30,311 cured. That is nearly 10%.

The context is that 1.4 bn people live in China with 78k infections there - that is an extremely low percentage in what is accepted as the breeding ground for the virus. Personally I would have expected much greater considering the relative poverty and diet of the Chinese (I have been there).

WHO have now said more 'new' infections are happening outside China than inside.

Already it looks like this coronavirus has peaked at source going on the above, there is no need for the scaremongering. The issue here is some people seem to think this will greatly affect their lives here, it will not and you'll possibly never hear of this kind of thing again when it runs its course. Of course new cases will continue to pop up for the next few days probably in places like India and Pakistan/Afganistan especially, maybe even weeks but it will run it's course.

Greater context, over the past say, 8 years in Syria some 300-500k people have been killed - but that can't harm you here so nobody really cares and to much, much less media issues. They certainly are not helping with the wild numbers being thrown around.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 26, 2020, 05:36:32 PM
The context is that 1.4 bn people live in China with 78k infections there - that is an extremely low percentage in what is accepted as the breeding ground for the virus. Personally I would have expected much greater considering the relative poverty and diet of the Chinese (I have been there).

WHO have now said more 'new' infections are happening outside China than inside.

The context is that the Chinese have completely isolated vast areas of the country. The Western world will absolutely not be as quick to do that - both between govts not ordering it and people not accepting it. At this point, I assume its out across Europe and indeed within Ireland (the ski-trippers at midterm will have brought it back and spread).


Italy probably has in excess of 1000 people with it (between diagnosed and yet to be diagnosed) - and there are discussions about maybe closing the border. By the time they do decide to, that horse will have long since bolted and foaled.

While some countries (Singapore for instance), are 0 dead for 62 recovered - Italy are currently running at 12 dead for 1 recovered.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on February 27, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
Quote
By the time they do decide to, that horse will have long since bolted and foaled


It's reached it's peak or will over the next few days. So no horse to bolt.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 27, 2020, 09:16:12 AM
Quote
By the time they do decide to, that horse will have long since bolted and foaled


It's reached it's peak or will over the next few days. So no horse to bolt.

I hope your right.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on February 27, 2020, 09:33:04 AM
Quote
I hope your right.


80% of the cases are mild.


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 27, 2020, 09:34:19 AM
Quote
By the time they do decide to, that horse will have long since bolted and foaled


It's reached it's peak or will over the next few days. So no horse to bolt.

I hope your right.

This is a warning though. All these govts need to think about a worse outbreak that probably will happen in future. For all intents and purposes this one is the Flu...a mutated version albeit.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on February 27, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
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By the time they do decide to, that horse will have long since bolted and foaled


It's reached it's peak or will over the next few days. So no horse to bolt.

I would like to believe that is the case and would hope it is.

However are all signs not showing that this is spreading ?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on February 27, 2020, 11:19:19 AM
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I would like to believe that is the case and would hope it is.

However are all signs not showing that this is spreading ?

UK = 13 cases , 0 deaths, 8 recovered
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on February 27, 2020, 11:30:05 AM
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I would like to believe that is the case and would hope it is.

However are all signs not showing that this is spreading ?

UK = 13 cases , 0 deaths, 8 recovered

It's is very early days though it hasn't really spread yet in Ireland and UK which i predict it will in the next few days.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Keyser soze on February 27, 2020, 11:31:21 AM
Must be some lads on here qualified as virologists or working for CDC given the certainty with which they pronounce the outcome of the spread of a new virus. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 27, 2020, 11:35:06 AM
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I would like to believe that is the case and would hope it is.

However are all signs not showing that this is spreading ?

UK = 13 cases , 0 deaths, 8 recovered

Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on February 27, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
Must be some lads on here qualified as virologists or working for CDC given the certainty with which they pronounce the outcome of the spread of a new virus.

True the W.H.O hasn't got to grips with it yet.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on February 27, 2020, 12:09:18 PM
From an American perspective but worth a listen to on how easily this spreads (surfaces the danger) and that a vaccine will take a year at best.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on February 27, 2020, 01:16:08 PM
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Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.

Italy 453 cases, 12 dead, 40 recovered.

The last 3 to die in Italy were 83, 84 and 91. No death is easy but the way the m€dia are carrying on in relation to this is ridiculous. If these 3 people got another strain of flu would they have died also?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 27, 2020, 01:33:49 PM
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Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.

Italy 453 cases, 12 dead, 40 recovered.


Again - number of cases is irrelevant.

You do not know which way those outstanding cases will go.

Excellent on the shoot up in recovered numbers.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on February 27, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
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Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.

Italy 453 cases, 12 dead, 40 recovered.

The last 3 to die in Italy were 83, 84 and 91. No death is easy but the way the m€dia are carrying on in relation to this is ridiculous. If these 3 people got another strain of flu would they have died also?

Based on the Chinese stats (which would not be the most scientific), the death rate was around 2-2.5% whereas it is 0.1% for flu. So death rate from this could be 25 times higher. I'm taking this from the expert in the podcast I linked above, who think this could be like the Spanish Flu of 1918. If you have a circle of 300 people you know well, and this becomes a pandemic, 6 people you know will die from this. It mostly attacks age 30 and above and children seem to be immune. Mostly killed older Chinese men who were likely to be heavy smokers and therefore had weaker lungs. It could attack worse next Winter as viruses don't like warmer weather (not that that helps us in Ireland). Best case scenario is that this is media hype; worse case it will kill a lot of people before a vaccine is developed. Vaccine's usually take a year.




Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on February 27, 2020, 02:08:35 PM
The death rate appears to be geographical so basing a global one on the China stats is wrong.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on February 27, 2020, 02:11:42 PM
all schools in japan to close from monday.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 27, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
all schools in japan to close from monday.

Overpopulated country. Makes sense from a prevention of spreading as opposed to any harm, they themselves might face.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2020, 02:46:42 PM
The last 3 to die in Italy were 83, 84 and 91. No death is easy but the way the m€dia are carrying on in relation to this is ridiculous. If these 3 people got another strain of flu would they have died also?

Yes, they might have died of the flu, if they had got it. However, they and those caring from them would have been vaccinated against the common types of flu, so they might never have got flu.
The media is being the media, but we should not minimise this. If 5 times are many people get this dose than of flu because of no vaccine and no immunity and if it twice as likely to cause complications then the demand on hospitals increases 10 times (and these are conservative calculations). At some point, hospitals cannot cope so the death rate then begins to shoot up as people who would otherwise survive are not getting proper treatment.

all schools in japan to close from monday.

Overpopulated country. Makes sense from a prevention of spreading as opposed to any harm, they themselves might face.

It seems that children and young people don't face a particular problem with this, which is not always the case with flu. But some of these children live with their grandparents and they could kill them by carrying the pox into the household.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 27, 2020, 02:53:44 PM
The last 3 to die in Italy were 83, 84 and 91. No death is easy but the way the m€dia are carrying on in relation to this is ridiculous. If these 3 people got another strain of flu would they have died also?

Yes, they might have died of the flu, if they had got it. However, they and those caring from them would have been vaccinated against the common types of flu, so they might never have got flu.
The media is being the media, but we should not minimise this. If 5 times are many people get this dose than of flu because of no vaccine and no immunity and if it twice as likely to cause complications then the demand on hospitals increases 10 times (and these are conservative calculations). At some point, hospitals cannot cope so the death rate then begins to shoot up as people who would otherwise survive are not getting proper treatment.

all schools in japan to close from monday.

Overpopulated country. Makes sense from a prevention of spreading as opposed to any harm, they themselves might face.

It seems that children and young people don't face a particular problem with this, which is not always the case with flu. But some of these children live with their grandparents and they could kill them by carrying the pox into the household.

Agreed, might seem quite a harsh move on the face of it but schools are breeding grounds as we know. Quite smart from the Japanese, they are taking positive steps anyway.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on February 27, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
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Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.

Italy 453 cases, 12 dead, 40 recovered.


Again - number of cases is irrelevant.

You do not know which way those outstanding cases will go.

Excellent on the shoot up in recovered numbers.

I've a cousin working in one of the UK hospitals that has some of the 13 UK patients.

He reckons the total cases number and also the total recovered number are misleading. The vast majority of people who get this only have a mild illness, so most of them don't get picked up. He reckons the Italy number is closer to 5,000 cases and then obviously the vast majority of them either recovering or recovered.

Sometime between mid and end of March he's very confident it will be downgraded in severity. Of course there is a risk he could be wrong, but so far he says he's not worried.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on February 27, 2020, 04:27:05 PM
60 confirmed cases in the US and none in Mexico...

Maybe the Mexicans should be closing the border!

 ;D
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 27, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
60 confirmed cases in the US and none in Mexico...

Maybe the Mexicans should be closing the border!

 ;D

They need a wall.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2020, 05:11:58 PM
Sometime between mid and end of March he's very confident it will be downgraded in severity. Of course there is a risk he could be wrong, but so far he says he's not worried.

I suppose this view would have to explain why health services in Wuhan were overcome and what was different so that this would not happen elsewhere.
I don't think the situation is hopeless. Singapore hasn't had an epidemic, but they didn't ignore it either and remain at orange alert.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on February 27, 2020, 05:26:18 PM
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Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.

Italy 453 cases, 12 dead, 40 recovered.


Again - number of cases is irrelevant.

You do not know which way those outstanding cases will go.

Excellent on the shoot up in recovered numbers.

But the number of cases is relevant in determining the fatality rate.  That's by definition the number of deaths divided by the number of cases.   As you say, we don't know how those other cases are going to go, but all that can be done is to add them to the numbers as they either recover or die, and update the fatality rate.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on February 27, 2020, 05:50:01 PM
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Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.

Italy 453 cases, 12 dead, 40 recovered.


Again - number of cases is irrelevant.

You do not know which way those outstanding cases will go.

Excellent on the shoot up in recovered numbers.

I've a cousin working in one of the UK hospitals that has some of the 13 UK patients.

He reckons the total cases number and also the total recovered number are misleading. The vast majority of people who get this only have a mild illness, so most of them don't get picked up. He reckons the Italy number is closer to 5,000 cases and then obviously the vast majority of them either recovering or recovered.

Sometime between mid and end of March he's very confident it will be downgraded in severity. Of course there is a risk he could be wrong, but so far he says he's not worried.
I think your relation talks sense.
The majority of people already have varying degrees of a naturally acquired immunity, regardless of whatever strain is in the air. It's a generally acccepted truth that a person who has done a strain of one flu type learns an immune response to that strain for the future  and that learned immunity will also be of varying benefit in the event of exposure to another strain.
A vaccination does not grant a learned immunity even to same flu strain - therefore the repeat vaccinations and is of no benefit with other flu strains.
According to an article in Lanclet, most at risk from developing serious patholgy or even death is the same as with any flu,  the inveterate nicotine addicts/smokers,  older people with underlying issues which are being medicated and people with underlying respiratory issues, also medicated.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on February 27, 2020, 06:00:02 PM
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Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.

Italy 453 cases, 12 dead, 40 recovered.


Again - number of cases is irrelevant.

You do not know which way those outstanding cases will go.

Excellent on the shoot up in recovered numbers.

I've a cousin working in one of the UK hospitals that has some of the 13 UK patients.

He reckons the total cases number and also the total recovered number are misleading. The vast majority of people who get this only have a mild illness, so most of them don't get picked up. He reckons the Italy number is closer to 5,000 cases and then obviously the vast majority of them either recovering or recovered.

Sometime between mid and end of March he's very confident it will be downgraded in severity. Of course there is a risk he could be wrong, but so far he says he's not worried.
I think your relation talks sense.
The majority of people already have varying degrees of a naturally acquired immunity, regardless of whatever strain is in the air. It's a generally acccepted truth that a person who has done a strain of one flu type learns an immune response to that strain for the future  and that learned immunity will also be of varying benefit in the event of exposure to another strain.
A vaccination does not grant a learned immunity even to same flu strain - therefore the repeat vaccinations and is of no benefit with other flu strains.
According to an article in Lanclet, most at risk from developing serious patholgy or even death is the same as with any flu,  the inveterate nicotine addicts/smokers,  older people with underlying issues which are being medicated and people with underlying respiratory issues, also medicated.

This virus is not from the same family of viruses as the seasonal flu so there is no underlying immunity that you're referring to
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2020, 06:09:47 PM
This virus is not from the same family of viruses as the seasonal flu so there is no underlying immunity that you're referring to

Which is precisly the problem. When a dose went around 10 years ago it was a first cousin of a variant from 1968 and many older people had some protection as a result. Nobody has any immunity to this, which is why the experts expect 60% to get it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2020, 07:01:39 PM
This virus is not from the same family of viruses as the seasonal flu so there is no underlying immunity that you're referring to

Which is precisly the problem. When a dose went around 10 years ago it was a first cousin of a variant from 1968 and many older people had some protection as a result. Nobody has any immunity to this, which is why the experts expect 60% to get it.

60% of the world population?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2020, 07:05:48 PM
This virus is not from the same family of viruses as the seasonal flu so there is no underlying immunity that you're referring to

Which is precisly the problem. When a dose went around 10 years ago it was a first cousin of a variant from 1968 and many older people had some protection as a result. Nobody has any immunity to this, which is why the experts expect 60% to get it.

60% of the world population?

Yes, over the course of the next year or two. Perhaps the people in Tristan de Cunha will not get it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/?utm_source=feed

First case confirmed in 6 counties.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 27, 2020, 08:55:43 PM
shut the airports.

now.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on February 27, 2020, 09:48:00 PM
shut the airports.

now.

A week too late.

I’m away to live in the childer’s Treehouse until this blows over.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on February 27, 2020, 10:21:02 PM
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Italy = 12 dead, 3 recovered.

Italy 453 cases, 12 dead, 40 recovered.


Again - number of cases is irrelevant.

You do not know which way those outstanding cases will go.

Excellent on the shoot up in recovered numbers.

I've a cousin working in one of the UK hospitals that has some of the 13 UK patients.

He reckons the total cases number and also the total recovered number are misleading. The vast majority of people who get this only have a mild illness, so most of them don't get picked up. He reckons the Italy number is closer to 5,000 cases and then obviously the vast majority of them either recovering or recovered.

Sometime between mid and end of March he's very confident it will be downgraded in severity. Of course there is a risk he could be wrong, but so far he says he's not worried.
I think your relation talks sense.
The majority of people already have varying degrees of a naturally acquired immunity, regardless of whatever strain is in the air. It's a generally acccepted truth that a person who has done a strain of one flu type learns an immune response to that strain for the future  and that learned immunity will also be of varying benefit in the event of exposure to another strain.
A vaccination does not grant a learned immunity even to same flu strain - therefore the repeat vaccinations and is of no benefit with other flu strains.
According to an article in Lanclet, most at risk from developing serious patholgy or even death is the same as with any flu,  the inveterate nicotine addicts/smokers,  older people with underlying issues which are being medicated and people with underlying respiratory issues, also medicated.

This virus is not from the same family of viruses as the seasonal flu so there is no underlying immunity that you're referring to
Well, the evidence points to that there is immunity.There are degrees of immunity and that is blatantly evident in that the vast majority of those who get exposed to this virus either can adapt with no symptoms or experience mild symptoms. That is what defines a good immune reaction.
And the evidence as recorded, is that immune response learned from experiencing one flu  can be used in part  against another flu strain, family diffferences notwithstanding.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on February 27, 2020, 11:38:32 PM
shut the airports.

now.

A week too late.

I’m away to live in the childer’s Treehouse until this blows over.

I reckon a few months on Tory Island could be in order.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Dire Ear on February 28, 2020, 10:06:55 AM
Newcastle introduce handshake ban
Well that's exactly what you should now expect as Newcastle have introduced a training ground handshake ban in an attempt to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

"There's a ritual here that everybody shakes hands with everybody as soon as we see each other every morning - we've stopped that on the advice of the doctor," Bruce said
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: toby47 on February 28, 2020, 10:22:15 AM
Mainland China
Total Number of cases - 78,824
Deaths 2.5%
Unresolved 50.6%
Recoveries 45.9%

South Korea
Total Number of cases - 2,337
Deaths 0.6%
Unresolved 98.5%
Recoveries 0.9%

Italy
Total Number of cases - 655
Deaths 2.6%
Unresolved 90.5%
Recoveries 6.9%

Iran
Total Number of cases - 270
Deaths 9.6%
Unresolved 72.2%
Recoveries 18.1%

Japan
Total Number of cases - 226
Deaths 1.8%
Unresolved 88.5%
Recoveries 9.7%
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on February 28, 2020, 10:57:05 AM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2020, 11:08:00 AM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.

Walking past a person in a shop is not the same as sitting beside them for 2 hours.
Switzerland has banned events of >1000 people from now. There is a balance in these things.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on February 28, 2020, 11:22:53 AM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.

Walking past a person in a shop is not the same as sitting beside them for 2 hours.
Switzerland has banned events of >1000 people from now. There is a balance in these things.

Like sitting beside a person in an airplane for over two hours?  :o
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2020, 11:36:36 AM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.

Walking past a person in a shop is not the same as sitting beside them for 2 hours.
Switzerland has banned events of >1000 people from now. There is a balance in these things.

Like sitting beside a person in an airplane for over two hours?  :o

That too, hence the tracing of the people sitting beside the woman from Belfast. It is harder to trace who was sitting beside you at a game.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on February 28, 2020, 11:41:28 AM
Well, the evidence points to that there is immunity.There are degrees of immunity and that is blatantly evident in that the vast majority of those who get exposed to this virus either can adapt with no symptoms or experience mild symptoms. That is what defines a good immune reaction.
And the evidence as recorded, is that immune response learned from experiencing one flu  can be used in part  against another flu strain, family diffferences notwithstanding.

This is not a flu virus!!! The only relationship it has to the flu virus is that it causes respiratory problems. It's like saying sharks and wolves are the same because they're both vertebrates and they both bite. From a technical point of view, the flu viruses are classified as follows (taken from wiki):

Realm:  Riboviria 
Phylum:  Negarnaviricota 
Class:  Insthoviricetes 
Order:  Articulavirales 
Family:  Orthomyxoviridae 

While the corona virus is:

Realm:  Riboviria 
Phylum:  incertae sedis 
Order:  Nidovirales 
Family:  Coronaviridae 

The fact that most people get mild symptoms cannot be attributed to an underlying immunity gained from previous flu viruses (unless there is actual studies proving this) - as shown by the fact that very young children (who would have low underlying immunity) are apparently not susceptible to this virus.

Virology is complicated stuff!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on February 28, 2020, 11:41:44 AM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.

Walking past a person in a shop is not the same as sitting beside them for 2 hours.
Switzerland has banned events of >1000 people from now. There is a balance in these things.

Like sitting beside a person in an airplane for over two hours?  :o

That too, hence the tracing of the people sitting beside the woman from Belfast. It is harder to trace who was sitting beside you at a game.

But if you go to the trouble of cancelling a game because of the risk of sitting beside someone who may be infected how does it make sense to allow that person to sit on a plane in an enclosed space with 100's of others?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on February 28, 2020, 11:46:55 AM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.

Walking past a person in a shop is not the same as sitting beside them for 2 hours.
Switzerland has banned events of >1000 people from now. There is a balance in these things.

Like sitting beside a person in an airplane for over two hours?  :o

That too, hence the tracing of the people sitting beside the woman from Belfast. It is harder to trace who was sitting beside you at a game.

But if you go to the trouble of cancelling a game because of the risk of sitting beside someone who may be infected how does it make sense to allow that person to sit on a plane in an enclosed space with 100's of others?

You can argue that both flights and sporting events carry a similar level of risk but one is necessary while the other other isn't:

Cancelling a sporting event - easy and negligible disruption
Cancelling all flights to/from a country - difficult and high disruption



Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on February 28, 2020, 11:47:25 AM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.

Walking past a person in a shop is not the same as sitting beside them for 2 hours.
Switzerland has banned events of >1000 people from now. There is a balance in these things.
Italians will be mingling in airplanes, Dublin airport, taxis, buses, Dart, Luas, pubs, restaurants, hotels, other social events. Not the same exposure as a match, but overall similar.
Exposure is just one factor, health workers aside - susceptibility is a more important factor for most people, it determines how an exposure is experienced.  The vast majority of people who experience exposure, experience nothing or just mild symptoms.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on February 28, 2020, 12:04:26 PM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.

Walking past a person in a shop is not the same as sitting beside them for 2 hours.
Switzerland has banned events of >1000 people from now. There is a balance in these things.
Italians will be mingling in airplanes, Dublin airport, taxis, buses, Dart, Luas, pubs, restaurants, hotels, other social events. Not the same exposure as a match, but overall similar.
Exposure is just one factor, health workers aside - susceptibility is a more important factor for most people, it determines how an exposure is experienced.  The vast majority of people who experience exposure, experience nothing or just mild symptoms.

It would be a whole lot better if they didn't come.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
Exposure is just one factor, health workers aside - susceptibility is a more important factor for most people, it determines how an exposure is experienced.  The vast majority of people who experience exposure, experience nothing or just mild symptoms.

You make a lot of this point. But it isn't the experience of those people that is important, it is the experience of those they give the dose to.

It would be a whole lot better if they didn't come.

Many will not come.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fionntamhnach on February 28, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
It's funny how so many people have become both public health and virologist experts nearly overnight - a bit like how so many people in Britain to this day have spent the last few years 'splaining how frictionless international border technologies work.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on February 28, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
It's funny how so many people have become both public health and virologist experts nearly overnight - a bit like how so many people in Britain to this day have spent the last few years 'splaining how frictionless international border technologies work.

Like in a lot of things, common sense is required in a lot of situations.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
It's funny how so many people have become both public health and virologist experts nearly overnight - a bit like how so many people in Britain to this day have spent the last few years 'splaining how frictionless international border technologies work.

Like in a lot of things, common sense is required in a lot of situations.

The principles of hand washing have been known for 100 years.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on February 28, 2020, 01:33:04 PM
Well, the evidence points to that there is immunity.There are degrees of immunity and that is blatantly evident in that the vast majority of those who get exposed to this virus either can adapt with no symptoms or experience mild symptoms. That is what defines a good immune reaction.
And the evidence as recorded, is that immune response learned from experiencing one flu  can be used in part  against another flu strain, family diffferences notwithstanding.

This is not a flu virus!!! The only relationship it has to the flu virus is that it causes respiratory problems. It's like saying sharks and wolves are the same because they're both vertebrates and they both bite. From a technical point of view, the flu viruses are classified as follows (taken from wiki):

Realm:  Riboviria 
Phylum:  Negarnaviricota 
Class:  Insthoviricetes 
Order:  Articulavirales 
Family:  Orthomyxoviridae 

While the corona virus is:

Realm:  Riboviria 
Phylum:  incertae sedis 
Order:  Nidovirales 
Family:  Coronaviridae 

The fact that most people get mild symptoms cannot be attributed to an underlying immunity gained from previous flu viruses (unless there is actual studies proving this) - as shown by the fact that very young children (who would have low underlying immunity) are apparently not susceptible to this virus.

Virology is complicated stuff!
There is nothing complicated about observing that the symptoms experienced are similar, whether it is a flu virus or this covid-19

John Hopkins medicine  -  flu v covid -19  - although caused by different virus

Methods of transmission are similar.
Both infectious respiratory illnesses
Both cause fever, cough, body aches, fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea.
Can be mild or severe, even fatal in rare cases.
Can result in pneumonia.


 similarities to the damage caused by SARS and MERS.-  Lanclet

When the body has learned a natural immune response to the symptoms of one virus, that learned immune response is also effective in helping the body to adapt to   to the similar symptoms of a different virus. This has also been the subject of  research on learned immune responses to various flu viruses.
Exposure to a virus is only one factor, the ultimate experience is the body's ability to adapt to that exposure via the learned immune response.
 That is one explanation  why the vast majority of people exposed to this virus experience nothing or just mild symptoms,  and in the main it is the people who are most susceptible (smokers and sick people) who experience  the deep pathology /even death,  again very similar to the patterns of exposure to flu virus.

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The fact that most people get mild symptoms cannot be attributed to an underlying immunity gained from previous flu viruses (unless there is actual studies proving this) - as shown by the fact that very young children (who would have low underlying immunity) are apparently not susceptible to this virus.
Your facts are not yet real facts,  not even Unicef know the why of it all.
According to Unicef https://www.unicef.org/bulgaria/en/stories/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-what-parents-should-know (https://www.unicef.org/bulgaria/en/stories/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-what-parents-should-know)
"This is a new virus and we do not know enough yet about how it affects children or pregnant women. We know it is possible for people of any age to be infected with the virus, but so far there have been relatively few cases of COVID-19 reported among children. The virus is fatal in rare cases, so far mainly among older people with pre-existing medical conditions."
https://www.unicef.org/bulgaria/en/stories/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-what-parents-should-know (https://www.unicef.org/bulgaria/en/stories/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-what-parents-should-know)
Recorded cases  in China in children are approx 1% of total.





Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on February 28, 2020, 01:34:27 PM
It's funny how so many people have become both public health and virologist experts nearly overnight - a bit like how so many people in Britain to this day have spent the last few years 'splaining how frictionless international border technologies work.

Like in a lot of things, common sense is required in a lot of situations.

The principles of hand washing have been known for 100 years.

And to this day people still don't know how to wash their hands properly.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on February 28, 2020, 01:34:41 PM
It's funny how so many people have become both public health and virologist experts nearly overnight - a bit like how so many people in Britain to this day have spent the last few years 'splaining how frictionless international border technologies work.

Like in a lot of things, common sense is required in a lot of situations.

The principles of hand washing have been known for 100 years.

They've been known, but there's a lot of auld lads in country pubs that still don't wash their hands. If some of these old dogs finally learn a new trick, then the virus will have done some good.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on February 28, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
There is nothing complicated about observing that the symptoms experienced are similar, whether it is a flu virus or this covid-19

John Hopkins medicine  -  flu v covid -19  - although caused by different virus

Methods of transmission are similar.
Both infectious respiratory illnesses
Both cause fever, cough, body aches, fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea.
Can be mild or severe, even fatal in rare cases.
Can result in pneumonia.


 similarities to the damage caused by SARS and MERS.-  Lanclet

When the body has learned a natural immune response to the symptoms of one virus, that learned immune response is also effective in helping the body to adapt to   to the similar symptoms of a different virus. This has also been the subject of  research on learned immune responses to various flu viruses.
Exposure to a virus is only one factor, the ultimate experience is the body's ability to adapt to that exposure via the learned immune response.
 That is one explanation  why the vast majority of people exposed to this virus experience nothing or just mild symptoms,  and in the main it is the people who are most susceptible (smokers and sick people) who experience  the deep pathology /even death,  again very similar to the patterns of exposure to flu virus.


On the this point, the bodys immune system doesn't respond to symptoms, if it did you'd eventually become immune to the common cold. The body responds to the presense of a virus (and its proteins) in your body. (Viral) Meningitis symptoms are also flu-like, but there is no underlying immune response to that virus (as far as I'm aware?).

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The fact that most people get mild symptoms cannot be attributed to an underlying immunity gained from previous flu viruses (unless there is actual studies proving this) - as shown by the fact that very young children (who would have low underlying immunity) are apparently not susceptible to this virus.
Your facts are not yet real facts,  not even Unicef know the why of it all.
According to Unicef https://www.unicef.org/bulgaria/en/stories/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-what-parents-should-know (https://www.unicef.org/bulgaria/en/stories/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-what-parents-should-know)
"This is a new virus and we do not know enough yet about how it affects children or pregnant women. We know it is possible for people of any age to be infected with the virus, but so far there have been relatively few cases of COVID-19 reported among children. The virus is fatal in rare cases, so far mainly among older people with pre-existing medical conditions."
https://www.unicef.org/bulgaria/en/stories/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-what-parents-should-know (https://www.unicef.org/bulgaria/en/stories/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-what-parents-should-know)
Recorded cases  in China in children are approx 1% of total.

Apologies, poor choice of words on my part, I didn't mean that children don't get covid-19, just that they appear to get it less than you would expect (as per your link) - so my point was that that fact doesn't that fit in with your theory of the population having a learned response to this virus.

No point in continuing with this indefinitely but in short, the theory that the body's immune response to one type of virus is effective against a completely different virus is at best completely unproven IMO
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on February 28, 2020, 02:34:48 PM
Exposure is just one factor, health workers aside - susceptibility is a more important factor for most people, it determines how an exposure is experienced.  The vast majority of people who experience exposure, experience nothing or just mild symptoms.

You make a lot of this point. But it isn't the experience of those people that is important, it is the experience of those they give the dose to.
Eh?  That sounds like gobbeldygook, are you saying that it's not important how this virus is experienced by the vast majority of people so far, but by those they give it to?
If that's so, do you think that those newly exposed to this virus will have a different experience than that already experienced elsewhere?

And just how can it be avoided to keep Italians out of Ireland, ban all flights altogether? How many is it, 6 or 10 flights daily, or more?
What about when inevitably it is France, Germany, Britain,  Northern ireland, ban all flights/border crossings to and from those countries?


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2020, 03:17:21 PM
Eh?  That sounds like gobbledygook, are you saying that it's not important how this virus is experienced by the vast majority of people so far, but by those they give it to?
If that's so, do you think that those newly exposed to this virus will have a different experience than that already experienced elsewhere?;

It most certainly is not gobbledygook. A person with an illness or compromised immune system would not risk going to this game at the present time. But you have some guy with your attitude who goes to the game then gives the pox to his parents or his girlfriend is a nurse or works in an old people's home.

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And just how can it be avoided to keep Italians out of Ireland, ban all flights altogether? How many is it, 6 or 10 flights daily, or more?
What about when inevitably it is France, Germany, Britain,  Northern ireland, ban all flights/border crossings to and from those countries?

It probably can't be avoided by any reasonable measure. The object of the measures is to keep things in in control, a collapse of the health service would be a catastrophe.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 28, 2020, 04:10:40 PM
What will it do to sales of Corona?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/coronavirus-corona-beer-loss-money-outbreak-pandemic-symptoms-a9364371.html

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 28, 2020, 09:26:36 PM
The WHO has just reported that a confirmed case of the virus in a dog has been found n Hong Kong. The dog tested "weakly positive" after showing flu-like symptoms. Apparently, the mutt's owner has also contacted the virus. This is a potentially serious development as it makes the job on containing the spread of covid-19 even harder than it is now.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 28, 2020, 09:57:07 PM
The WHO has just reported that a confirmed case of the virus in a dog has been found n Hong Kong. The dog tested "weakly positive" after showing flu-like symptoms. Apparently, the mutt's owner has also contacted the virus. This is a potentially serious development as it makes the job on containing the spread of covid-19 even harder than it is now.

Got worse news than that...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/27/japanese-woman-confirmed-as-coronavirus-case-for-2nd-time-weeks-after-initial-recovery.html

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A woman working as a tour-bus guide in Japan tested positive for the coronavirus for a second time, Osaka’s prefectural government said on Wednesday, the first person in the country to do so amid growing concerns about the spread of the infection.

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Possible that virus may be “bi-phasic like anthrax,” said Philip Tierno Jr., Professor of Microbiology and Pathology at NYU School of Medicine.

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Though a first in Japan, cases of second positive tests have been reported in China, where the disease originated late last year.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 29, 2020, 09:55:31 AM
This thing sounds as bad as Brexit
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 29, 2020, 02:00:11 PM
This thing sounds as bad as Brexit

This will be over in a year, good or bad, Brexit will run and run.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 29, 2020, 03:03:34 PM
This thing sounds as bad as Brexit

This will be over in a year, good or bad, Brexit will run and run.

By the amount of media stuff and 60% of the world getting it, we’re doomed!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 29, 2020, 04:30:55 PM
This thing sounds as bad as Brexit

This will be over in a year, good or bad, Brexit will run and run.

By the amount of media stuff and 60% of the world getting it, we’re doomed!

Doom is indeed possible. The probability is about that of Antrim winning an All Ireland, possible, but unlikely.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on February 29, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
Hurling or football ;D
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 29, 2020, 04:50:53 PM
Hurling or football ;D

There used to be a difference, but nowadays it is the comparison of two infinitesimally small numbers.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 29, 2020, 05:01:09 PM
Hurling or football ;D

There used to be a difference, but nowadays it is the comparison of two infinitesimally small numbers.

Jesus you’d think Armagh was a hot bed of GAA activity!  Bogballers
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on February 29, 2020, 06:59:15 PM
The idea or one idea about enforcing isolation on an infected area is to buy time for unaffected areas and allow for prepartions. What is the rationale for calling off the rugby international because some thousands of Italians would be attending? yet the Italians will be travelling to Ireland in their thousands and presumably in close social contact with Irish people over a period of 48 hours or so. Either impose a travel ban or allow the mingling. The stunt to ban the game  just smacks of phony finger in the dyke grandstanding.

Walking past a person in a shop is not the same as sitting beside them for 2 hours.
Switzerland has banned events of >1000 people from now. There is a balance in these things.
Italians will be mingling in airplanes, Dublin airport, taxis, buses, Dart, Luas, pubs, restaurants, hotels, other social events. Not the same exposure as a match, but overall similar.
Exposure is just one factor, health workers aside - susceptibility is a more important factor for most people, it determines how an exposure is experienced.  The vast majority of people who experience exposure, experience nothing or just mild symptoms.

It would be a whole lot better if they didn't come.

It's all about the money, flights should be banned to Northern Italy but no chance as folk will need compensating.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 29, 2020, 07:43:16 PM
Hurling or football ;D

There used to be a difference, but nowadays it is the comparison of two infinitesimally small numbers.

Jesus you’d think Armagh was a hot bed of GAA activity!  Bogballers
Armagh will win the same number of All Ireland's as Antrim over the next 10 years.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on February 29, 2020, 07:50:45 PM
Hurling or football ;D

There used to be a difference, but nowadays it is the comparison of two infinitesimally small numbers.

Jesus you’d think Armagh was a hot bed of GAA activity!  Bogballers
Armagh will win the same number of All Ireland's as Antrim over the next 10 years.

Are you including Scór in that?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 29, 2020, 08:06:34 PM
Hurling or football ;D

There used to be a difference, but nowadays it is the comparison of two infinitesimally small numbers.

Jesus you’d think Armagh was a hot bed of GAA activity!  Bogballers
Armagh will win the same number of All Ireland's as Antrim over the next 10 years.

Not true, reading their posts it’s only a matter of time, 12 years for them
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on February 29, 2020, 09:02:05 PM
First case confirmed in the Republic a while ago.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on February 29, 2020, 09:33:28 PM
6 people killed in car crashes in the 26 Cos. In the last 24 hours.
Do we stop driving?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 29, 2020, 09:42:40 PM
6 people killed in car crashes in the 26 Cos. In the last 24 hours.
Do we stop driving?

Yes, close the petrol stations and ban driving! Oh wait let’s apply common sense
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on February 29, 2020, 09:59:21 PM
6 people killed in car crashes in the 26 Cos. In the last 24 hours.
Do we stop driving?

Yes, close the petrol stations and ban driving! Oh wait let’s apply common sense

Driving is a good example. Fatality rates here are about 1% of the worst places in the world per car. There is  a whole range of things to do this, better roads, better cars, driving testing, car testing, police enforcement and people taking safety seriously. There needs to be a whole range of things for the pox, some people will still die but not anywhere near as many as might otherwise die.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on February 29, 2020, 10:29:16 PM
6 people killed in car crashes in the 26 Cos. In the last 24 hours.
Do we stop driving?

Tosser, anyone at the scene not involved wont die of the same car crash. No one knows how this will evolve the flipancy of those it hasn't affected is astonishing.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on February 29, 2020, 10:39:13 PM
Nobody has died of the virus in Ireland.
6 on the roads.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on February 29, 2020, 10:59:27 PM
Nobody has died of the virus in Ireland.
6 on the roads.

Apologies meant complete tosser, you shine at it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on February 29, 2020, 11:57:07 PM
Nobody has died of the virus in Ireland.
6 on the roads.

Apologies meant complete tosser, you shine at it.
Where did this eejit crawl from?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2020, 12:43:53 AM
Nobody has died of the virus in Ireland.
6 on the roads.

Apologies meant complete tosser, you shine at it.
Where did this eejit crawl from?

He's not the biggest eejit in this thread.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Capt Pat on March 01, 2020, 08:59:37 AM
Shouldn't the HSE/government be telling us who and where the corona virus patient is? A man in the east of the country is all we know. How can people tell if they might have been in contact with him or been places he has been?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on March 01, 2020, 11:04:28 AM
Shouldn't the HSE/government be telling us who and where the corona virus patient is? A man in the east of the country is all we know. How can people tell if they might have been in contact with him or been places he has been?

Heard there is more than one in the East. Probably trying to avoid hysteria.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 01, 2020, 12:37:42 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-51688902 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-51688902)

Think this is a sensible call, hopefully Armagh schools follow.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2020, 01:34:35 PM
Shouldn't the HSE/government be telling us who and where the corona virus patient is? A man in the east of the country is all we know. How can people tell if they might have been in contact with him or been places he has been?

Because most people passing him on the street are not at risk. If you were on a plane from Milan than you should be aware of the risk and sitting 8 rows away from this guy doesn't materially change that.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 01, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
Will it now follow that'lk there'll be a worldwide recession?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 01, 2020, 04:28:58 PM
Well, apparently there is now an outbreak in an elderly care home in the US.

Unfortunately, I think we will soon see just how bad this could potentially be if folks continue to be flippant about it spreading  [and govts have been far too slow to act so far].
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 01, 2020, 05:40:02 PM
Well, apparently there is now an outbreak in an elderly care home in the US.

Unfortunately, I think we will soon see just how bad this could potentially be if folks continue to be flippant about it spreading  [and govts have been far too slow to act so far].

It's all driven by the economic consequences, no government gives a flying one how many old or infirm are wiped out as long as their economy is ok. The irony being had borders been closed earlier this could have prevented the spread, airlines aren't cancelling or giving refunds as governments are saying it's safe to travel.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 01, 2020, 07:04:23 PM
Well, apparently there is now an outbreak in an elderly care home in the US.

Unfortunately, I think we will soon see just how bad this could potentially be if folks continue to be flippant about it spreading  [and govts have been far too slow to act so far].

It's all driven by the economic consequences, no government gives a flying one how many old or infirm are wiped out as long as their economy is ok. The irony being had borders been closed earlier this could have prevented the spread, airlines aren't cancelling or giving refunds as governments are saying it's safe to travel.

Yup I agree. Borders weren’t closed because they want it spread. They want a few hundred thousand or millions of us gone, especially those they consider to be a burden to society.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Capt Pat on March 01, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
Scoil catriona mobhi Road Glaasnevin being shut for the next 2 weeks. The corona virus case was a pupil there.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2020, 07:17:28 PM
Well, apparently there is now an outbreak in an elderly care home in the US.

Unfortunately, I think we will soon see just how bad this could potentially be if folks continue to be flippant about it spreading  [and govts have been far too slow to act so far].

It's all driven by the economic consequences, no government gives a flying one how many old or infirm are wiped out as long as their economy is ok. The irony being had borders been closed earlier this could have prevented the spread, airlines aren't cancelling or giving refunds as governments are saying it's safe to travel.

Yup I agree. Borders weren’t closed because they want it spread. They want a few hundred thousand or millions of us gone, especially those they consider to be a burden to society.

So it’s preventable? Sure 60% of the world’s population are going to get it anyways, hopefully a vaccine will come and like swine flu and bird flu it will be sorted.

The media has went into overdrive too which makes things a lot worse for panic
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 01, 2020, 07:30:35 PM
Well, apparently there is now an outbreak in an elderly care home in the US.

Unfortunately, I think we will soon see just how bad this could potentially be if folks continue to be flippant about it spreading  [and govts have been far too slow to act so far].

It's all driven by the economic consequences, no government gives a flying one how many old or infirm are wiped out as long as their economy is ok. The irony being had borders been closed earlier this could have prevented the spread, airlines aren't cancelling or giving refunds as governments are saying it's safe to travel.

Yup I agree. Borders weren’t closed because they want it spread. They want a few hundred thousand or millions of us gone, especially those they consider to be a burden to society.

So it’s preventable? Sure 60% of the world’s population are going to get it anyways, hopefully a vaccine will come and like swine flu and bird flu it will be sorted.

The media has went into overdrive too which makes things a lot worse for panic

Looks like you have bought into the hysteria.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2020, 08:51:53 PM
Well, apparently there is now an outbreak in an elderly care home in the US.

Unfortunately, I think we will soon see just how bad this could potentially be if folks continue to be flippant about it spreading  [and govts have been far too slow to act so far].

It's all driven by the economic consequences, no government gives a flying one how many old or infirm are wiped out as long as their economy is ok. The irony being had borders been closed earlier this could have prevented the spread, airlines aren't cancelling or giving refunds as governments are saying it's safe to travel.

Yup I agree. Borders weren’t closed because they want it spread. They want a few hundred thousand or millions of us gone, especially those they consider to be a burden to society.

So it’s preventable? Sure 60% of the world’s population are going to get it anyways, hopefully a vaccine will come and like swine flu and bird flu it will be sorted.

The media has went into overdrive too which makes things a lot worse for panic

Looks like you have bought into the hysteria.

Yeah, I’m so nervous about the whole thing.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2020, 10:48:44 PM
Well, apparently there is now an outbreak in an elderly care home in the US.

Unfortunately, I think we will soon see just how bad this could potentially be if folks continue to be flippant about it spreading  [and govts have been far too slow to act so far].

It's all driven by the economic consequences, no government gives a flying one how many old or infirm are wiped out as long as their economy is ok. The irony being had borders been closed earlier this could have prevented the spread, airlines aren't cancelling or giving refunds as governments are saying it's safe to travel.

Yup I agree. Borders weren’t closed because they want it spread. They want a few hundred thousand or millions of us gone, especially those they consider to be a burden to society.

Well Mary-Lou did say on TV that their pension proposals were affordable as the demographics would sort themselves out. SF must have sussed out this before the rest of us.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 01, 2020, 11:01:14 PM
Well, apparently there is now an outbreak in an elderly care home in the US.

Unfortunately, I think we will soon see just how bad this could potentially be if folks continue to be flippant about it spreading  [and govts have been far too slow to act so far].

It's all driven by the economic consequences, no government gives a flying one how many old or infirm are wiped out as long as their economy is ok. The irony being had borders been closed earlier this could have prevented the spread, airlines aren't cancelling or giving refunds as governments are saying it's safe to travel.

Yup I agree. Borders weren’t closed because they want it spread. They want a few hundred thousand or millions of us gone, especially those they consider to be a burden to society.

Well Mary-Lou did say on TV that their pension proposals were affordable as the demographics would sort themselves out. SF must have sussed out this before the rest of us.

I heard a scientist on the radio the other morning saying they knew about the CV a good few weeks ago before it hit the mainstram news.

You'd have thought countries would have been more pro-active at that stage instead of waiting for it to become more problematic.

Time was/is of the essence.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 01, 2020, 11:17:03 PM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2020, 12:26:40 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Yet, case numbers in Singapore and Hong Kong have remained relatively few, although they have had cases for over 6 weeks.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 02, 2020, 09:05:02 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).

What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 10:27:51 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 10:29:54 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 10:40:41 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.

Tomato / Tomato....Closing borders. Jesus wept.

Go to Dublin Airport on Friday and Saturday sure with signs saying down with this sort of thing as there is going to be thousands coming for the cancelled game.

The Chinese will do as they please. Coming out with radical border closings etc....Have you people any idea how big China is? It's not Leitrim.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: rrhf on March 02, 2020, 10:47:41 AM
We could close the borders with Leitrim anyway.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2020, 10:52:44 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.

Agreed. It is not something to be flippant about.
And leprosy is hardly a good example as it is one of the least contagious diseases.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 10:55:16 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.

Tomato / Tomato....Closing borders. Jesus wept.

Go to Dublin Airport on Friday and Saturday sure with signs saying down with this sort of thing as there is going to be thousands coming for the cancelled game.

The Chinese will do as they please. Coming out with radical border closings etc....Have you people any idea how big China is? It's not Leitrim.

They are the same thing, can you not grasp they are two different viruses?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 11:08:43 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.

Tomato / Tomato....Closing borders. Jesus wept.

Go to Dublin Airport on Friday and Saturday sure with signs saying down with this sort of thing as there is going to be thousands coming for the cancelled game.

The Chinese will do as they please. Coming out with radical border closings etc....Have you people any idea how big China is? It's not Leitrim.

They are the same thing, can you not grasp they are two different viruses?

The Northern Ireland Border is 310 miles or so. For years it's been relatively uncontrollable. As we've seen to crushing effect. We could never stop people slipping over and back.

China borders about 15 countries. It has about 1.5 billion people in its borders.

The damage is done, scaremongering is doing no good. Neither is these mad notions of closing borders. It's going to have to run it's course and the wold needs to react for an actual serious event going forward. All this is, is a warning shot.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 02, 2020, 11:16:46 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.

Tomato / Tomato....Closing borders. Jesus wept.

Go to Dublin Airport on Friday and Saturday sure with signs saying down with this sort of thing as there is going to be thousands coming for the cancelled game.

The Chinese will do as they please. Coming out with radical border closings etc....Have you people any idea how big China is? It's not Leitrim.

They are the same thing, can you not grasp they are two different viruses?

The Northern Ireland Border is 310 miles or so. For years it's been relatively uncontrollable. As we've seen to crushing effect. We could never stop people slipping over and back.

China borders about 15 countries. It has about 1.5 billion people in its borders.

The damage is done, scaremongering is doing no good. Neither is these mad notions of closing borders. It's going to have to run it's course and the wold needs to react for an actual serious event going forward. All this is, is a warning shot.

Was that not Radio GAAGAA's point?

With regards the scaremongering. I'd rather over act to the threat and be thankfully it wasn't as bad as anticipated than do nothing and be too late to plan if things do go wrong. You don't get a second chance to try and reduce the impact.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 11:29:52 AM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.

Tomato / Tomato....Closing borders. Jesus wept.

Go to Dublin Airport on Friday and Saturday sure with signs saying down with this sort of thing as there is going to be thousands coming for the cancelled game.

The Chinese will do as they please. Coming out with radical border closings etc....Have you people any idea how big China is? It's not Leitrim.

They are the same thing, can you not grasp they are two different viruses?

The Northern Ireland Border is 310 miles or so. For years it's been relatively uncontrollable. As we've seen to crushing effect. We could never stop people slipping over and back.

China borders about 15 countries. It has about 1.5 billion people in its borders.

The damage is done, scaremongering is doing no good. Neither is these mad notions of closing borders. It's going to have to run it's course and the wold needs to react for an actual serious event going forward. All this is, is a warning shot.

The point I was pulling you up on was it's the flu, it is not, the rest of the horseshite you posted I didn't read.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 12:20:56 PM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.

Tomato / Tomato....Closing borders. Jesus wept.

Go to Dublin Airport on Friday and Saturday sure with signs saying down with this sort of thing as there is going to be thousands coming for the cancelled game.

The Chinese will do as they please. Coming out with radical border closings etc....Have you people any idea how big China is? It's not Leitrim.

They are the same thing, can you not grasp they are two different viruses?

The Northern Ireland Border is 310 miles or so. For years it's been relatively uncontrollable. As we've seen to crushing effect. We could never stop people slipping over and back.

China borders about 15 countries. It has about 1.5 billion people in its borders.

The damage is done, scaremongering is doing no good. Neither is these mad notions of closing borders. It's going to have to run it's course and the wold needs to react for an actual serious event going forward. All this is, is a warning shot.

The point I was pulling you up on was it's the flu, it is not, the rest of the horseshite you posted I didn't read.

Yes you did, never mind. It probably went over your head anyway.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 01:06:45 PM
There was never a  chance this could be stopped, you can carry for 14 days with with a sniffle yet you could pass it to someone else who reacts very badly to it.

Easily.

- Everyone close the borders with China in December when it first came out.
- Anyone looking repatriated out of China is done so via strict quarantine zone under the repatriating governments control (i.e. military base).


What will likely happen is that we'll get to a point where extreme measures will be brought in when it becomes palatable to the politicians - but by then it will be far too late, the horse will have long since bolted, had a herd of foals and died of old age.

This can't be a serious suggestion.

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

No it's not, more flippancy!  The two illnesses are caused by DIFFERENT viruses.

Tomato / Tomato....Closing borders. Jesus wept.

Go to Dublin Airport on Friday and Saturday sure with signs saying down with this sort of thing as there is going to be thousands coming for the cancelled game.

The Chinese will do as they please. Coming out with radical border closings etc....Have you people any idea how big China is? It's not Leitrim.

They are the same thing, can you not grasp they are two different viruses?

The Northern Ireland Border is 310 miles or so. For years it's been relatively uncontrollable. As we've seen to crushing effect. We could never stop people slipping over and back.

China borders about 15 countries. It has about 1.5 billion people in its borders.

The damage is done, scaremongering is doing no good. Neither is these mad notions of closing borders. It's going to have to run it's course and the wold needs to react for an actual serious event going forward. All this is, is a warning shot.

The point I was pulling you up on was it's the flu, it is not, the rest of the horseshite you posted I didn't read.

Yes you did, never mind. It probably went over your head anyway.

You think it's the flu, think everything is over your head.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 01:09:11 PM

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

Just to be clear can you not acknowledge this statement is incorrect, it is not the flu, and it's spreading is due to the recklessness of folk like yourself and others treating it with flippancy!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 02, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
The Northern Ireland Border is 310 miles or so. For years it's been relatively uncontrollable. As we've seen to crushing effect. We could never stop people slipping over and back.

China borders about 15 countries. It has about 1.5 billion people in its borders.

Yet those same Chinese were able to restrict movement within their country where there were no pre-existing checkpoint locations. :rolleyes:

The closed (land) border doesn't need to be perfect, especially given the Chinese imposed internal restrictions on movement.

Closing the airport "borders" is relatively easy. The seaports marginally harder.


The damage is done, scaremongering is doing no good. Neither is these mad notions of closing borders. It's going to have to run it's course

That's my point. My f**king sentence even mentioned the month the borders would have had to close, The politicians have dithered for far too long when it could have been contained to China and China alone.


Plan A would have been to contain it in China long enough for a vaccine to be developed. That is now scrapped due to a leadership vacuum across most of the world. Indeed, if the Chinese local government in Wuhan had acted swiftly enough, the whole thing could have been contained to a few dozen people. Unfortunately it took Central government to get involved before things started moving.

Plan B is now a race to get vaccines developed before it spreads to too many of those vulnerable to it (sick & elderly). Which means every one of those not at high risk being diligent to stop themselves acting as carriers.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 01:34:11 PM

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

Just to be clear can you not acknowledge this statement is incorrect, it is not the flu, and it's spreading is due to the recklessness of folk like yourself and others treating it with flippancy!

From the WHO website.

The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. About 2% of people with the disease have died. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.

So whilst it may not be "flu"...it's fair enough to suggest they aren't exactly dissociated. Especially to someone such as myself who isn't exactly buying the hype and hysteria that it is bringing. On that 2% (90% of those are from the originating province in China - BBC).

As for me being partially or somehow responsible for it spreading due to my "recklessness", have a word with yourself and calm down. Absolute nonsense. Up there with some of the biggest crap I've seen online and that's saying something.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 02, 2020, 01:41:45 PM
So whilst it may not be "flu"...it's fair enough to suggest they aren't exactly dissociated. Especially to someone such as myself who isn't exactly buying the hype and hysteria that it is bringing. On that 2% (90% of those are from the originating province in China - BBC).

It is not the flu.

Perhaps someone such as yourself cannot process that while symptoms may appear the same - there are fundamental differences underneath.


As for me being partially or somehow responsible for it spreading due to my "recklessness", have a word with yourself and calm down. Absolute nonsense. Up there with some of the biggest crap I've seen online and that's saying something.

The diligence of 99 people can easily be ruined by one eejit going off and ignoring all advice.

What if someone who "knew better" went for pints with a mate just back from skiing in Italy, then a few days later went into a hospital ward to visit someone before taking the bus up to the airport and boarded a flight abroad?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 01:49:43 PM

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

Just to be clear can you not acknowledge this statement is incorrect, it is not the flu, and it's spreading is due to the recklessness of folk like yourself and others treating it with flippancy!

From the WHO website.

The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. About 2% of people with the disease have died. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.

So whilst it may not be "flu"...it's fair enough to suggest they aren't exactly dissociated. Especially to someone such as myself who isn't exactly buying the hype and hysteria that it is bringing. On that 2% (90% of those are from the originating province in China - BBC).

As for me being partially or somehow responsible for it spreading due to my "recklessness", have a word with yourself and calm down. Absolute nonsense. Up there with some of the biggest crap I've seen online and that's saying something.

So you acknowledge it's not the flu then???  Anyone treating this with the flippancy you are and not following public health warnings are of course aiding the spread, it's great though that you are so better informed than health and government experts.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 01:52:56 PM
So whilst it may not be "flu"...it's fair enough to suggest they aren't exactly dissociated. Especially to someone such as myself who isn't exactly buying the hype and hysteria that it is bringing. On that 2% (90% of those are from the originating province in China - BBC).

It is not the flu.

Perhaps someone such as yourself cannot process that while symptoms may appear the same - there are fundamental differences underneath.


As for me being partially or somehow responsible for it spreading due to my "recklessness", have a word with yourself and calm down. Absolute nonsense. Up there with some of the biggest crap I've seen online and that's saying something.

The diligence of 99 people can easily be ruined by one eejit going off and ignoring all advice.

What if someone who "knew better" went for pints with a mate just back from skiing in Italy, then a few days later went into a hospital ward to visit someone before taking the bus up to the airport and boarded a flight abroad?


I get your point, I truly do. But your not talking in the realm of reality. You must accept that. As an Irishman you know if you wake up tomorrow morning and you aren't feeling great, for want of a better phrase you are just going to horse on through the day. What you are advocating is the right course of action sure, but absolutely doomed to fail with individuals being individuals, it's uncontrollable, so what we must do now is prepare for the future. Perhaps in the future an immediate lockdown of borders is a realistic option. I don't know, I don't see it happening though.

As I said earlier, it's now out. We need a vaccination. The vast, vast majority of the issues are in China so it's a kinda roundabout positive that in a mass populated country it's not infected much, much more (that we know of, can only go on these figures).

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 02, 2020, 01:55:23 PM
As an Irishman you know if you wake up tomorrow morning and you aren't feeling great, for want of a better phrase you are just going to horse on through the day.

As I said earlier, it's now out. We need a vaccination. The vast, vast majority of the issues are in China so it's a kinda roundabout positive that in a mass populated country it's not infected much, much more (that we know of, can only go on these figures).

But the Chinese restricted people to their homes. They stopped work. They stopped most internal travel.

If we continue to "horse on through the day", why are you expecting our outcome to be better than China?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 02:01:37 PM

It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.

Just to be clear can you not acknowledge this statement is incorrect, it is not the flu, and it's spreading is due to the recklessness of folk like yourself and others treating it with flippancy!

From the WHO website.

The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. About 2% of people with the disease have died. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.

So whilst it may not be "flu"...it's fair enough to suggest they aren't exactly dissociated. Especially to someone such as myself who isn't exactly buying the hype and hysteria that it is bringing. On that 2% (90% of those are from the originating province in China - BBC).

As for me being partially or somehow responsible for it spreading due to my "recklessness", have a word with yourself and calm down. Absolute nonsense. Up there with some of the biggest crap I've seen online and that's saying something.

So you acknowledge it's not the flu then???  Anyone treating this with the flippancy you are and not following public health warnings are of course aiding the spread, it's great though that you are so better informed than health and government experts.

Just to be flippant and prove a point, just checked the Irish Govt website there, they are advocating a distance of 1metre between other people - I have since pulled my desk up in my office and told this woman beside me the reasons. I would hate to be responsible for the spread of something (of course something that I don't have and likely within every parameter known so far, won't have).

Oh, interestingly, the Irish government have not banned travel to China or Italy (they are getting the most press). Or indeed have advised no entry restrictions into Ireland from either of these countries either. Strange.

Furthermore, this is a good one....from the Irish Govt website directly.

"To date, entry screening at ports and airports is not recommended by World Health Organization (WHO) or the European Centre for Disease Control (ECDC)."



Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 02:09:46 PM
As an Irishman you know if you wake up tomorrow morning and you aren't feeling great, for want of a better phrase you are just going to horse on through the day.

As I said earlier, it's now out. We need a vaccination. The vast, vast majority of the issues are in China so it's a kinda roundabout positive that in a mass populated country it's not infected much, much more (that we know of, can only go on these figures).

But the Chinese restricted people to their homes. They stopped work. They stopped most internal travel.

If we continue to "horse on through the day", why are you expecting our outcome to be better than China?

Yes again, this is after the event. Once it's out, it's out. It's something that has been thrust upon the World and was unpredictable I think we can agree?. Of course they took action after, but sure did this whole thing not start in December of last year? How long has Wuhan been in lockdown for? Just googled - January 23rd. It's probably worked as I said earlier, the vast majority of fatalities is there but cases (i believe) are now on the wane compared to outside Wuhan and the Herbei province?

I never said anything about our outcome being better. - I imagine this will continue to spread for another bit yet. I asked what we should do going forward on a more serious matter that could happen highlighted by the spread of this particular virus considering the reactionary defences that governments have to take? Can we instantly block travel in and out as a nation? The Chinese of course could, they answer only to themselves but they did not at the time.



Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2020, 02:23:59 PM
I get your point, I truly do. But your not talking in the realm of reality. You must accept that. As an Irishman you know if you wake up tomorrow morning and you aren't feeling great, for want of a better phrase you are just going to horse on through the day. What you are advocating is the right course of action sure, but absolutely doomed to fail with individuals being individuals, it's uncontrollable, so what we must do now is prepare for the future. Perhaps in the future an immediate lockdown of borders is a realistic option. I don't know, I don't see it happening though.

Not all Irishmen are equally callous about their effect on other people as you.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 02, 2020, 02:51:30 PM
The snowflakeitius surrounding this virus appears to be more contagious than the virus itself.

I’ll give it 2 more weeks and it will have passed like most flu like viruses.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 03:24:45 PM

Just to be flippant and prove a point, just checked the Irish Govt website there, they are advocating a distance of 1metre between other people - I have since pulled my desk up in my office and told this woman beside me the reasons. I would hate to be responsible for the spread of something (of course something that I don't have and likely within every parameter known so far, won't have).


https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a02c5a-what-is-happening/#irelands-response (https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a02c5a-what-is-happening/#irelands-response)

Contact Tracing
In the event of any confirmed case, a clinician will speak to the patient to get details of places they visited and the people they’ve been in contact with since they became unwell. This will provide a detailed picture of the people we need to contact, such as family members, colleagues or fellow travellers.

This list of people will be contacted with instruction and advice on what to do if they display symptoms.

If a member of the contact list displays symptoms, we isolate and test this individual and provide treatment, if confirmed.

A close contact involves either face-to-face contact or spending more than 15 minutes within 2 metres of an infected person. We do not contact trace persons that may have passed by on the street or in a shop. The risk of contact in that instance is very low.

So have the virus or your colleague?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 03:25:45 PM
By the way are you going to acknowledge it isn't the flu - or are you just going to ignore your pathetic post and continue with shite talking?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 03:31:34 PM
The snowflakeitius surrounding this virus appears to be more contagious than the virus itself.

I’ll give it 2 more weeks and it will have passed like most flu like viruses.

Another bore-feast whose attitude would quickly change if God Forbid it came home to roast in their world.   No one know the full effect of this of how it will mutate why is it is so wrong to take precautions in an era when the world is now a much smaller place and we are all in effect in it together!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2020, 04:05:21 PM
The snowflakeitius surrounding this virus appears to be more contagious than the virus itself.

I’ll give it 2 more weeks and it will have passed like most flu like viruses.

You don't know that. It doesn't seem a reasonable experiment to wait and see.
Even if it is less in the summer then the problem will appear in November again.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2020, 07:25:33 PM
The snowflakeitius surrounding this virus appears to be more contagious than the virus itself.

I’ll give it 2 more weeks and it will have passed like most flu like viruses.

You don't know that. It doesn't seem a reasonable experiment to wait and see.
Even if it is less in the summer then the problem will appear in November again.

As long as I get away on holidays to northern Italy and back in time for the Hurling finals! Hit every pub! I’ll start in Mahers
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 02, 2020, 07:42:00 PM
I'd imagine this virus is well established in Ireland the UK. Similar to Foot and Mouth it was well spread before authorities got a handle on it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Saffrongael on March 02, 2020, 07:43:08 PM
I’m sick to the balls hearing about it
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 08:09:09 PM
I’m sick to the balls hearing about it

My heart bleeds for ya!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 02, 2020, 08:46:37 PM
I'd imagine this virus is well established in Ireland the UK. Similar to Foot and Mouth it was well spread before authorities got a handle on it.

Ach, they've been completely asleep at the wheel.

Start with dramatic intervention, then ease off if evidence supports that.

Instead they've f**ked around being softly softly till its too late and by the time they do get the finger out, the seeds will have long since been sown.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: playwiththewind1st on March 02, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
"Another bore-feast whose attitude would quickly change if God Forbid it came home to roast in their world.   No one know the full effect of this of how it will mutate why is it is so wrong to take precautions in an era when the world is now a much smaller place and we are all in effect in it together!"

Forgive me, but I simply can't understand any of that.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2020, 09:20:28 PM
I'd imagine this virus is well established in Ireland the UK. Similar to Foot and Mouth it was well spread before authorities got a handle on it.

Ah yes, but foot and mouth was rampant in England and only in a few places here. Big difference.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 09:53:59 PM
"Another bore-feast whose attitude would quickly change if God Forbid it came home to roast in their world.   No one know the full effect of this of how it will mutate why is it is so wrong to take precautions in an era when the world is now a much smaller place and we are all in effect in it together!"

Forgive me, but I simply can't understand any of that.

It's ok, ask an adult.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: playwiththewind1st on March 02, 2020, 10:12:39 PM
"Another bore-feast whose attitude would quickly change if God Forbid it came home to roast in their world.   No one know the full effect of this of how it will mutate why is it is so wrong to take precautions in an era when the world is now a much smaller place and we are all in effect in it together!"

Forgive me, but I simply can't understand any of that.

It's ok, ask an adult.

Preferably one who can construct a semi intelligent sentence or 2, perhaps?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 02, 2020, 11:35:31 PM
So, flights cancelled by some airlines due to low demand. Funny they didn’t cancel them 2 weeks ago.

Good to know they have the publics interests at heart!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 02, 2020, 11:44:12 PM
Adobe is cancelling its annual Summit in Vegas. That's a big deal.

I wonder how many other conferences are gonna be cancelled. Think of the flights not taken, hotel rooms sitting empty, restaurants getting less business.

The economy is going to crash and burn.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2020, 12:29:18 AM
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

This hospital has now been closed as it is no longer needed.

So, flights cancelled by some airlines due to low demand. Funny they didn’t cancel them 2 weeks ago.

Was there less demand 2 weeks ago?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 07:48:07 AM
"Another bore-feast whose attitude would quickly change if God Forbid it came home to roast in their world.   No one know the full effect of this of how it will mutate why is it is so wrong to take precautions in an era when the world is now a much smaller place and we are all in effect in it together!"

Forgive me, but I simply can't understand any of that.

It's ok, ask an adult.

Preferably one who can construct a semi intelligent sentence or 2, perhaps?

Sounds like you are in lumber then!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 07:50:48 AM
So, flights cancelled by some airlines due to low demand. Funny they didn’t cancel them 2 weeks ago.

Good to know they have the publics interests at heart!

Yes so if you are flying on Ryanair to Italy they can cancel your flight but if you are flying on Ryanair to Italy and don't want it now due to the outbreak, you have no legal right to cancel, you have to love big business.  Can someone please break this down for playwiththewind1st, he can't read and has no access to an adult who can help him, thanks in advance!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: lurganblue on March 03, 2020, 09:10:33 AM
The panic has fairly set in among the people in our office (mostly the women).  "We need to get signs up!"  "Hand sanitizers!!!! Quick."
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2020, 09:19:23 AM
The panic has fairly set in among the people in our office (mostly the women).  "We need to get signs up!"  "Hand sanitizers!!!! Quick."

I've tried not touching my face today, apparently you touch your face 30 times in an hour, very difficult to do. I deal with the highest  risk people so I've been wiping surfaces more often than normal. At this rate though I'll run out of sanitizerz and wipes!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 03, 2020, 09:29:01 AM
The panic has fairly set in among the people in our office (mostly the women).  "We need to get signs up!"  "Hand sanitizers!!!! Quick."

Not helped by the attitude of some people who sound like they actually would like this to be the end of days.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 11:00:03 AM
The panic has fairly set in among the people in our office (mostly the women).  "We need to get signs up!"  "Hand sanitizers!!!! Quick."

Jarleth is getting some stick from his letter to parents in St Pauls.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 11:01:16 AM
The panic has fairly set in among the people in our office (mostly the women).  "We need to get signs up!"  "Hand sanitizers!!!! Quick."

Not helped by the attitude of some people who sound like they actually would like this to be the end of days.

Or folk who would happily put others at risk with the attitude, I am alright stuff the rest of you.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 03, 2020, 11:02:18 AM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 03, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also.

WHAT?!?!

Did The Donald draw your graphs?

Just the 9% increase in numbers outside of China yesterday.

Which is admittedly better than the 21% increase on Sunday, but 1 day is not a trend.


(China has seemed to have plateaued, just a 0.25% increase yesterday - but bear in mind the draconian measures they have taken which is restricting the spread.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2020, 11:45:28 AM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

So there is no frost at night in Korea?
How could a night's frost stop it when people are in buildings.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 03, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
Quote
WHAT?!?!

Did The Donald draw your graphs?

Just the 9% increase in numbers outside of China yesterday.

Which is admittedly better than the 21% increase on Sunday, but 1 day is not a trend.


(China has seemed to have plateaued, just a 0.25% increase yesterday - but bear in mind the draconian measures they have taken which is restricting the spread.


Rhetorical, I take it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 12:24:59 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 03, 2020, 12:34:34 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thebuzz on March 03, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Well said GetOverTheBar :) :)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

You still think it's the flu?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2020, 12:53:25 PM
It is not the end of days and it is irresponsible to say so.
It is not "just the flu" and it is irresponsible to say so.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 12:54:02 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 03, 2020, 12:59:47 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.

You sound like you would be great craic to meet up with for a few pints lad. I think you have some kind of problem.

Relax, it's just the internet....
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 01:01:55 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.

You sound like you would be great craic to meet up with for a few pints lad. I think you have some kind of problem.

Relax, it's just the internet....

Good man, still think it's just the flu? Wind your neck in.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 03, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.

You sound like you would be great craic to meet up with for a few pints lad. I think you have some kind of problem.

Relax, it's just the internet....

Good man, still think it's just the flu? Wind your neck in.

Calm down lad, don't you know stress isn't good for your immune system?  ;)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on March 03, 2020, 01:45:44 PM
It's interesting how the virus is showing the values of different societies

China - fence them in
North Korea - shoot them
America - lower interest rates
England - stock up on bog roll
Ireland - sure we'll be grand on the day


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 01:47:03 PM
Calm down lad, don't you know stress isn't good for your immune system?  ;)

Bet you actually believe you are clever and funny. Still no word if you stand by your opening gambit?


It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 03, 2020, 01:59:02 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.

You sound like you would be great craic to meet up with for a few pints lad. I think you have some kind of problem.

Relax, it's just the internet....

Good man, still think it's just the flu? Wind your neck in.

It is very like the flu in fairness.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Denn Forever on March 03, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
Leprosy can be cured with Thalidomide.
.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2020, 02:02:50 PM
Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.

In fairness, this should be only an issue for one day, as those with symptoms should be tested. If this is the pox then they'll take more measures and if they don't have the pox then there was no need.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 03, 2020, 02:25:52 PM
Calm down lad, don't you know stress isn't good for your immune system?  ;)

Bet you actually believe you are clever and funny. Still no word if you stand by your opening gambit?


It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.





The point is, you seem to have a penchant for abusing people in this thread who you perceive as not agreeing with you. This is not a right or wrong issue and people are and can make up their own minds just to how they feel the need to act in the face on this on going issue.

So if you continue to give sh*t, be prepared to get it back. There is no need to start abusing people because they discuss an issue or say something which you have declared wrong. Everyone is being educated at the same time on this issue. You do not have the answers anymore than the rest of us. Lose the God complex and childish mannerisms. You might get taken seriously.

To that end, RadioGAAGAA and armaghniac have both put in excellent points which at times conflicted with my own, how did we all react? Simple chat. It's that easy. Just dial the aggression down a notch or two - if you don't mind.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 03, 2020, 02:45:58 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.

I assume the kids who had symptoms are not allowed back to school?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: APM on March 03, 2020, 04:06:35 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.

I assume the kids who had symptoms are not allowed back to school?

AFM is getting a bit preachy and argumentative alright, but to those arguing with him, I suggest you stop for a moment and think.

If you have an elderly parent, a husband or wife on chemo or an immuno-compromised child, you would be inclined to panic somewhat at the prospect of them being infected.  Depending on your perspective, this could look like a slow motion car crash.  One person's rational response to this crisis, could look very irresponsible to someone with a vulnerable loved one.  Maybe those that are worried, cannot help but worry.   
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 04:50:21 PM
Calm down lad, don't you know stress isn't good for your immune system?  ;)

Bet you actually believe you are clever and funny. Still no word if you stand by your opening gambit?


It's the flu, not Leprosy. More hysteria.





The point is, you seem to have a penchant for abusing people in this thread who you perceive as not agreeing with you. This is not a right or wrong issue and people are and can make up their own minds just to how they feel the need to act in the face on this on going issue.

So if you continue to give sh*t, be prepared to get it back. There is no need to start abusing people because they discuss an issue or say something which you have declared wrong. Everyone is being educated at the same time on this issue. You do not have the answers anymore than the rest of us. Lose the God complex and childish mannerisms. You might get taken seriously.

To that end, RadioGAAGAA and armaghniac have both put in excellent points which at times conflicted with my own, how did we all react? Simple chat. It's that easy. Just dial the aggression down a notch or two - if you don't mind.


We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.



As for me being partially or somehow responsible for it spreading due to my "recklessness", have a word with yourself and calm down. Absolute nonsense. Up there with some of the biggest crap I've seen online and that's saying something.


Yes you did, never mind. It probably went over your head anyway.

 ::)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 03, 2020, 04:58:44 PM
Looking at the latest graph's on this it has flatlined in China and looks to be flatlining elsewhere also. Today's numbers in Italy, France, Germany and Spain should tell a tale. Likely 2 versions of the virus knocking around. We are lucky that when it arrived here we have a cold snap with frost at night, that will stop the spread. 60% recovery rate so far and more and more each day.

You should submit your findings to WHO and get someone to teach you maths.  You and getoverthebar will be saying next I can walk why all these ramps into buildings - ridiculous!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

We may get someone to teach you English and basic sentence construction while we are at it so.

You sound like you are truly consumed by this all and it's really worrying you. Which is fair enough, but your inability to even accept others may not be too worried about it and will continue about their day to day lives is truly baffling. Not everyone wants to buy into the doom and gloom, nor do they want to be abused by someone who wants to force feed (unsubstantiated) end of days stuff to us. I have more to be optimistic about in life.

Our GAA president in waiting sent a letter yesterday to all parents to say that kids who didn't have any symptoms from their recent ski trip were allowed back to school, others had symptoms.  It only takes one child who has the virus to spread to others and whilst all young folk might well fight it off, the wider society is full of old and sick people, why should their health be put at risk because of flippant I am alright attitudes like yours, as for the basic sentence construction, wind your neck in, it's not A-Level English - it's a bunch of halfwits like yourself who thinks they are above everyone else.

I assume the kids who had symptoms are not allowed back to school?

AFM is getting a bit preachy and argumentative alright, but to those arguing with him, I suggest you stop for a moment and think.

If you have an elderly parent, a husband or wife on chemo or an immuno-compromised child, you would be inclined to panic somewhat at the prospect of them being infected.  Depending on your perspective, this could look like a slow motion car crash.  One person's rational response to this crisis, could look very irresponsible to someone with a vulnerable loved one.  Maybe those that are worried, cannot help but worry.

In a nutshell, for those who are at an age when they don't have a vulnerable elderly relative enjoy this time, one can be relaxed about this virus and its potential effect on themselves, I have no issue with that, but as a society surely taking measures to protect others should be encouraged and not met with flippancy, i'll leave it there.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2020, 06:25:54 PM
Seems like a lot of people in the media are very worried about their sick friends/family

Use common sense, if you’ve a sick member of your family who fits the description of people who are more likely to get the worst from this flu like virus  ;) (like my dad) then take the proper precautions, ensure they are self isolating or being looked after by someone who’s taking the right precautions!

Other than that there isn’t much you can do, heaven forbid it happen to a loved one but the panic stuff going on is nuts. You can only deal with it if it happens, before that just be sensible
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on March 03, 2020, 06:42:37 PM
It’s coming, wherever you are, and there’s not much you can do except try to minimize your own risk of catching it with proper hand-washing and so on. And if you get the symptoms, stay home. Although unfortunately, staying home is not an option for a lot of people who are low-paid and have little or no sick leave allowance. Which I guess is partly why it’s definitely on the way in most places.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on March 03, 2020, 06:43:29 PM
It's interesting how the virus is showing the values of different societies

China - fence them in
North Korea - shoot them
America - lower interest rates
England - stock up on bog roll
Ireland - sure we'll be grand on the day

 ;D
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: APM on March 03, 2020, 06:57:23 PM
Seems like a lot of people in the media are very worried about their sick friends/family

Use common sense, if you’ve a sick member of your family who fits the description of people who are more likely to get the worst from this flu like virus  ;) (like my dad) then take the proper precautions, ensure they are self isolating or being looked after by someone who’s taking the right precautions!

Other than that there isn’t much you can do, heaven forbid it happen to a loved one but the panic stuff going on is nuts. You can only deal with it if it happens, before that just be sensible

Agree, but what is sensible?
Your version of sensible might be different to someone elses. 
Here's an example plenty of people could relate to. 

Someone might decide that they'll not take the kids round to see Grandad because he has just went through Chemo and needs to avoid infection. Meanwhile, their sister, whose kids have always got bugs and snatters (snaughters??), are at Grandad's all weekend, wrecking the place when he needs to rest and liable to give him a dose of the cold or flu. 

Scale that up to a national level.  There is always someone who will sneeze without using a tissue or cough all round the place.  There are people right now that will say, f**k it, I'm going to Lake Garda next week regardless - I don't give a shit if I catch it - at least then I'll be immune.  There are others in Italy that will come to Dublin next week and use the flights and hotels they booked for the six nations.  Then you will have people like this woman from Wuhan that flew to France during the height of the Chinese outbreak.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51231593

At an individual, community and government level, there is a "sweet spot" between complacency and panic.  The problem is that this "sweet spot" is a moving target.  What looks like panic today, could look perfectly rational tomorrow.  What looks rational today, could look like complacency tomorrow. 

To get ahead this disease, the approach needs to err heavily on the side of caution, otherwise we will be chasing the problem. I don't think anyone wants to look back in a year's time and say "that was the time when this could have been contained". 

Even with the best will in the world and a very proactive approach from government and society, the behavior of a few irresponsible people could make the efforts to contain the disease much more difficult. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: APM on March 03, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
.... and I might just add, the problem about this outbreak is that we know so little about it and that makes containment important. 

For example, can a patient be reinfected having cleared the virus and can it stay dormant in the system?  These are things we don't know and that is the main thing that would make people wary. 

The other thing is that a panic response is almost as organic as the disease itself and there's no accounting for human behaviour.  The economy and supply chains are quite sensitive and the ability of the government to deliver public services in the case of widespread sickness would be very limited.  I would be concerned that the economic and systematic impact could be worse than the disease itself and that in itself is a good enough reason for containment. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2020, 08:09:22 PM
The Italian Health ministry has produced this website which gives the state of play regarding the virus

http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioContenutiNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=italiano&id=5351&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on March 03, 2020, 08:57:00 PM
2nd case confirmed in the east of the country
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 03, 2020, 09:32:08 PM
Containment doesn't appear to be working. Is there really anything that can be done to stop the spread. All the current measures appear to have done is slow it down. As with all these things if you're hearing about 1 or 2 confirmed cases I'd offer that the real number is significantly higher.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 03, 2020, 10:40:10 PM
Containment is working in the UK .
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 04, 2020, 07:33:25 AM
2nd case confirmed in the east of the country

Woman was in Northern Italy it seems.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 04, 2020, 07:41:23 AM
Seems like a lot of people in the media are very worried about their sick friends/family

Use common sense, if you’ve a sick member of your family who fits the description of people who are more likely to get the worst from this flu like virus  ;) (like my dad) then take the proper precautions, ensure they are self isolating or being looked after by someone who’s taking the right precautions!

Other than that there isn’t much you can do, heaven forbid it happen to a loved one but the panic stuff going on is nuts. You can only deal with it if it happens, before that just be sensible

Agree, but what is sensible?
Your version of sensible might be different to someone elses. 
Here's an example plenty of people could relate to. 

Someone might decide that they'll not take the kids round to see Grandad because he has just went through Chemo and needs to avoid infection. Meanwhile, their sister, whose kids have always got bugs and snatters (snaughters??), are at Grandad's all weekend, wrecking the place when he needs to rest and liable to give him a dose of the cold or flu. 

Scale that up to a national level.  There is always someone who will sneeze without using a tissue or cough all round the place.  There are people right now that will say, f**k it, I'm going to Lake Garda next week regardless - I don't give a shit if I catch it - at least then I'll be immune.  There are others in Italy that will come to Dublin next week and use the flights and hotels they booked for the six nations.  Then you will have people like this woman from Wuhan that flew to France during the height of the Chinese outbreak.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51231593

At an individual, community and government level, there is a "sweet spot" between complacency and panic.  The problem is that this "sweet spot" is a moving target.  What looks like panic today, could look perfectly rational tomorrow.  What looks rational today, could look like complacency tomorrow. 

To get ahead this disease, the approach needs to err heavily on the side of caution, otherwise we will be chasing the problem. I don't think anyone wants to look back in a year's time and say "that was the time when this could have been contained". 

Even with the best will in the world and a very proactive approach from government and society, the behavior of a few irresponsible people could make the efforts to contain the disease much more difficult.

Have seen that in action first hand, Miltown says just be sensible, most will be sensible and vigilant but if even 5 or 10% just horse on through the day, it negates very quickly others caution.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2020, 09:06:43 AM
Listening to the radio today, the measures that they are taking for work purposes are extensive.. If I'm closed for 2 weeks that will have a major impact on our business (and my wages) I doubt very much my company will cover my wages.

Self employed people will (depending on the nature of their work) will lose out a lot more
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 04, 2020, 09:14:03 AM
Not as much as sick and old people who will potentially lose their lives.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 04, 2020, 09:31:06 AM
Some people will lose 2% of their wages, 2% will lose their lives.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 04, 2020, 09:36:52 AM
I've told all my employees that I'll pay them if they're affected (infected?). I think that is the right thing to do.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: lurganblue on March 04, 2020, 09:43:33 AM
I've told all my employees that I'll pay them if they're affected (infected?). I think that is the right thing to do.

Do you require proof? There are chancers everywhere.  Here, I feel rotten, I'm away to self isolate for 2 weeks...
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 04, 2020, 09:50:44 AM
Well if the chancers self isolate then they should be at home for 14 days. Anyone out and about should be sacked and prosecuted for fraud. This us is a serious matter and there should be no room for taking the piss.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 04, 2020, 10:20:05 AM
I've told all my employees that I'll pay them if they're affected (infected?). I think that is the right thing to do.

That's extremely noble of you, fair play. Not many employers will buy into though I would imagine.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 04, 2020, 11:33:28 AM
I've told all my employees that I'll pay them if they're affected (infected?). I think that is the right thing to do.

Do you require proof? There are chancers everywhere.  Here, I feel rotten, I'm away to self isolate for 2 weeks...

No. We're a small enough business (8 employees) and we treat them as grown ups. I'd like to think no one would be like that, in fact I know they wouldn't. So that's how we approach things. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyHarp on March 04, 2020, 01:16:08 PM
Italy to close all schools and colleges for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: TheOptimist on March 04, 2020, 01:30:54 PM
I've told all my employees that I'll pay them if they're affected (infected?). I think that is the right thing to do.

Do you require proof? There are chancers everywhere.  Here, I feel rotten, I'm away to self isolate for 2 weeks...

No. We're a small enough business (8 employees) and we treat them as grown ups. I'd like to think no one would be like that, in fact I know they wouldn't. So that's how we approach things.

Could put alot of companies out of business that.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on March 04, 2020, 01:31:52 PM
Seems to be a few cases around the "City of London" which could add to the economic consequences if that ramps up
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 04, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
Seems to be a few cases around the "City of London" which could add to the economic consequences if that ramps up

Why?

Getting rid of that shower is likely to improve the local economy!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 04, 2020, 02:02:54 PM
I've told all my employees that I'll pay them if they're affected (infected?). I think that is the right thing to do.

Do you require proof? There are chancers everywhere.  Here, I feel rotten, I'm away to self isolate for 2 weeks...

No. We're a small enough business (8 employees) and we treat them as grown ups. I'd like to think no one would be like that, in fact I know they wouldn't. So that's how we approach things.

Could put alot of companies out of business that.

UK paying statutory sick pay from day one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51738837 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51738837)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 04, 2020, 02:07:09 PM
Italy considering closing all schools and colleges until mid march!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51734185 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51734185)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 04, 2020, 04:46:50 PM
Two more cases in the wee six.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 04, 2020, 04:53:51 PM
Two more cases in the wee six.

There are not particularly threatening though, one was in Italy and the other was from contact tracing of someone in England. The system is still working.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: playwiththewind1st on March 04, 2020, 05:12:52 PM
Two more cases in the wee six.

There are not particularly threatening though, one was in Italy and the other was from contact tracing of someone in England. The system is still working.

Which will be more than my payroll system will be doing, if you are to get SSP on day one, for coronavirus or self-isolation & on day 4, for all other complaints. Boris doesn't realise that the payroll software developers will have to do a bit of work on that particular one & then roll it out, all at the end of the tax year too.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 04, 2020, 08:24:41 PM
More cases in the West of Ireland, 4 people all of whom were in Italy.
A least the West is getting its fair share, and Dublin is not getting it all.

That's the number of cases doubled in a day, although Italy is the main cause.

Also student in QUB likely with virus, who went to class! That could be problematic.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 04, 2020, 08:46:52 PM
More cases in the West of Ireland, 4 people all of whom were in Italy.
A least the West is getting its fair share, and Dublin is not getting it all.

That's the number of cases doubled in a day, although Italy is the main cause.

Also student in QUB likely with virus, who went to class! That could be problematic.

Only online now. Where in the West of the country?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: ballinaman on March 04, 2020, 09:34:43 PM
More cases in the West of Ireland, 4 people all of whom were in Italy.
A least the West is getting its fair share, and Dublin is not getting it all.

That's the number of cases doubled in a day, although Italy is the main cause.

Also student in QUB likely with virus, who went to class! That could be problematic.

Only online now. Where in the West of the country?

Westport
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 04, 2020, 10:05:47 PM
More cases in the West of Ireland, 4 people all of whom were in Italy.
A least the West is getting its fair share, and Dublin is not getting it all.

That's the number of cases doubled in a day, although Italy is the main cause.

Also student in QUB likely with virus, who went to class! That could be problematic.

Only online now. Where in the West of the country?

Westport

That's West aright.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 05, 2020, 09:44:11 AM
Outside China, Italy and Iran the second strain appears weaker and is just the flu. No real death rate at all in other countries bar these ones.

Panic over.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Maroon Manc on March 05, 2020, 09:49:29 AM
You couldn't make it up the level of incompetency surrounding one of these cases, their place of work is the last place you'd want someone with the virus to be.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Geoff Tipps on March 05, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
More cases in the West of Ireland, 4 people all of whom were in Italy.
A least the West is getting its fair share, and Dublin is not getting it all.

That's the number of cases doubled in a day, although Italy is the main cause.

Also student in QUB likely with virus, who went to class! That could be problematic.

Only online now. Where in the West of the country?

Westport

That's West aright.

Lahinch, Clare
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 05, 2020, 10:01:24 AM
Outside China, Italy and Iran the second strain appears weaker and is just the flu. No real death rate at all in other countries bar these ones.

Panic over.

Seriously you should get in contact with WHO.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 05, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
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Seriously you should get in contact with WHO.

I'm sure they can do the maths, in the other 100 or so infected countries there are 34 deaths so far. That includes merica where 11 have happened. If you need to still panic over those numbers then panic away.


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 10:39:27 AM
Outside China, Italy and Iran the second strain appears weaker and is just the flu. No real death rate at all in other countries bar these ones.

Panic over.

Please shut up. Its idiots like you with incorrect opinions like yours that is going to do a lot of harm in slowing this down.


South Korea: 35 dead, 41 recovered = 46%
Japan: 6 dead, 43 recovered = 12%
France: 4 dead, 12 recovered = 25%
Spain: 2 dead, 2 recovered = 50%
US: 11 dead, 8 recovered =58%


The one bright spot is Singapore, with 110 cases they have recovered 78 people with no deaths.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 05, 2020, 10:43:17 AM
Outside China, Italy and Iran the second strain appears weaker and is just the flu. No real death rate at all in other countries bar these ones.

Panic over.

Please shut up. Its idiots like you with incorrect opinions like yours that is going to do a lot of harm in slowing this down.


South Korea: 35 dead, 41 recovered = 46%
Japan: 6 dead, 43 recovered = 12%
France: 4 dead, 12 recovered = 25%
Spain: 2 dead, 2 recovered = 50%
US: 11 dead, 8 recovered =58%

The above % obviously dont count those that are in recovery mode

How long does it take to recover?

For recovery is there certain types of medication being taken or is it only hospitals that can provide the medication?

With governments predicting high instances of people getting the virus surely that is the type of information that is vital now considering it cannot be contained?

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 10:47:00 AM
The above % obviously dont count those that are in recovery mode

Nor do they count the number who won't recover but are not yet dead.

That is the entire point of using those rather than "number of cases".

Now - its probably fair to say there will be a lag of a week or two between any given patient passing their individual "lowest point" (which may be death) and recovery - which would mean recovered does lag dead by that time period.


There is also a time period between someone being admitted and them reaching their lowest point. So taking (say) the Italian dead figure of 107, but then including all admissions yesterday (~1000 people) in determining the death rate (i.e. 107/3089) is completely bogus -- and even that is 3%!!!

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 05, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
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Please shut up. Its idiots like you with incorrect opinions like yours that is going to do a lot of harm in slowing this down.

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South Korea: 35 dead, 41 recovered = 46%


Outside China, Italy and Iran (and South Korea) the second strain appears weaker and is just the flu. No real death rate at all in other countries bar these ones.

Clearly I left out SK in the figures.

Death rate at 35 for the other 100 countries is very very low and the panic and snowflakitus in relation to this is ridiculous.


Total deaths 3300


China 3020
SK 35
Iran 107
Italy 107
Total = 3269

Total outside the above is 3300-3269 = 31

When people like you are proven wrong when facts are pointed out to them the standard reply is "shut up".

Fair enough we need to slow the thing down, but less of the "killer flu" talk would help. Balance and perspective is needed. This intense talk and daily negative news reels on the thing is not good for the soul.










Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 05, 2020, 10:52:32 AM
Outside China, Italy and Iran the second strain appears weaker and is just the flu. No real death rate at all in other countries bar these ones.

Panic over.

Please shut up. Its idiots like you with incorrect opinions like yours that is going to do a lot of harm in slowing this down.


South Korea: 35 dead, 41 recovered = 46%
Japan: 6 dead, 43 recovered = 12%
France: 4 dead, 12 recovered = 25%
Spain: 2 dead, 2 recovered = 50%
US: 11 dead, 8 recovered =58%

The above % obviously dont count those that are in recovery mode

How long does it take to recover?

For recovery is there certain types of medication being taken or is it only hospitals that can provide the medication?


With governments predicting high instances of people getting the virus surely that is the type of information that is vital now considering it cannot be contained?

There's no medication to treat Coronavirus other than staying hydrated, eating healthy and giving your body what it needs to fight.  In 80%.of cases it is considered mild. However, those who have underlying health issues such as elderly folk, COPD, Asthma, diabetes etc they are much more likely to develop severe symptoms and may require hospitalisation because their lungs cannot cope with the virus as well. Therefore they may need assistance via a respirator to breathe properly.

The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 10:57:05 AM
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Please shut up. Its idiots like you with incorrect opinions like yours that is going to do a lot of harm in slowing this down.

Quote
South Korea: 35 dead, 41 recovered = 46%

Outside China, Italy and Iran (and South Korea) the second strain appears weaker and is just the flu. No real death rate at all in other countries bar these ones.

Do you understand what % mortality means?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 05, 2020, 10:57:29 AM
   https://www.ft.com/content/ed3fb63e-41ce-11ea-bdb5-169ba7be433d

   Covid-19 is transmitted more readily between humans than Sars, though it is less virulent. Computer modelling suggests that each new case infected 2.5 other people on average in the early stages of the epidemic, though Chinese authorities have greatly reduced this “reproduction number” through drastic action to isolate cases and trace their contacts.

The virus has caused severe respiratory disease in about 20 per cent of patients and killed more than 3 per cent of confirmed cases. Sars killed 10 per cent of infected individuals. Older people, whose immune defences have declined with age, and those with underlying health conditions are much more vulnerable than the young.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 05, 2020, 10:58:19 AM
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The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.

They managed to keep the death rate so far (based on the cases reported) to 1.3% compared to 3.5% in the highly infected areas. Please expand on the neglect?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 10:59:16 AM
When people like you are proven wrong when facts are pointed out to them the standard reply is "shut up".

These are "facts" in the Donald Trump mode of facts.

Unfortunately, this is too important for blatantly incorrect and misguided views such as yours be allowed space to be considered credible. They are not.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 05, 2020, 11:09:24 AM
Death rate is 2-3%.

Everyone should dial down the hysteria. People cancelling holidays etc. Complete madness.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 05, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
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The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.

They managed to keep the death rate so far (based on the cases reported) to 1.3% compared to 3.5% in the highly infected areas. Please expand on the neglect?

Two days ago the government were not even doing and screening tests for the virus at airports. Screening people for the virus would at least be a proactive approach.

The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
Death rate is 2-3%.

Which is astronomically high (and I'm not even sure its that low), but its definitely north of 1%.

But taking that number - that is between 1 in 30 and 1 in 50.


Many have indirect families (parents/inlaws/nephews/nieces/uncles/aunts) well in excess of 50.
Everyone will have a network of more than 200 people (between work, family & social lives) that they know.

At those odds, if it spreads out - then everyone will lose at least one person, probably several people, to this.


There are 38 users on the board right now. If this spreads out and gets to everyone, then at those odds one of them won't be here next year due to Corona virus.



edit: Clarity between mortality rate and infections
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 05, 2020, 11:22:07 AM
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Everyone should dial down the hysteria. People cancelling holidays etc. Complete madness.

I'm not trying to diminish the thing in any way but looking at the numbers (which is crude) and then comparing it to the level of hysteria the level of panic and hysteria is disproportionate, that's all I'm saying.

If people want to maintain a level of hysteria and panic then feel free but coming on here to do it is inappropriate as the vast majority of posters are level headed individuals who don't do hysterics.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 05, 2020, 11:23:27 AM
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The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.
    ::)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: five points on March 05, 2020, 11:23:49 AM
Death rate is 2-3%.

Which is astronomically high (and I'm not even sure its that low), but its definitely north of 1%.

But taking that number - that is between 1 in 30 and 1 in 50.


Many have indirect families (parents/inlaws/nephews/nieces/uncles/aunts) well in excess of 50.
Everyone will have a network of more than 200 people (between work, family & social lives) that they know.

Odds are at that rate that everyone will lose at least one person, probably several people, to this.
This assumes that literally everyone catches it.  A huge assumption.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
This assumes that literally everyone catches it.  A huge assumption.

Yeah, sorry, was in the midst of editing it to clarify that when you posted.

But if the "horse on" brigade have their way, then it likely will reach most of the population.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 05, 2020, 11:30:14 AM
Death rate is 2-3%.

Which is astronomically high (and I'm not even sure its that low), but its definitely north of 1%.

But taking that number - that is between 1 in 30 and 1 in 50.


Many have indirect families (parents/inlaws/nephews/nieces/uncles/aunts) well in excess of 50.
Everyone will have a network of more than 200 people (between work, family & social lives) that they know.

At those odds, if it spreads out - then everyone will lose at least one person, probably several people, to this.


There are 38 users on the board right now. If this spreads out and gets to everyone, then at those odds one of them won't be here next year due to Corona virus.



edit: Clarity between mortality rate and infections

When I went to school 2% was 2 in 100.
Most of those people have underlying health conditions and are aged. It is not some super killer disease that wipes everyone out.
 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 05, 2020, 11:31:35 AM
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The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.
    ::)

Has nothing to do with what the government has been doing. Read the earlier pages of this topic to find out why.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 05, 2020, 11:47:58 AM
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Seriously you should get in contact with WHO.

I'm sure they can do the maths, in the other 100 or so infected countries there are 34 deaths so far. That includes merica where 11 have happened. If you need to still panic over those numbers then panic away.

You not good with percentages of those affected!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: APM on March 05, 2020, 11:49:09 AM
Death rate is 2-3%.

Everyone should dial down the hysteria. People cancelling holidays etc. Complete madness.

That is double or three times the death rate associated with the flu - that is a significant impact.  Think about it, instead of 1 in 100, it is 1 in 50 or 1 in 30.  Starts to feel a bit closer to home when you get into those kind of ratios.  Among the vulnerable population, that is an even greater impact.  People are right to be worried - because behind this figure will be a huge number needing hospital admissions and if the health service cannot cope, then it creates a heightened risk of bad patient outcomes.   

You are right about hysteria being unhelpful, but as I said earlier, the panic could develop just as organically as the disease itself and with it, a greater risk of a systemic breakdown health systems and other public services.  One issue could feed off the other and that's the bit that would concern me. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Boycey on March 05, 2020, 12:01:01 PM
I'd be surprised if the World Health Organization aren't following this thread to keep themselves informed...
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 05, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
I'd be surprised if the World Health Organization aren't following this thread to keep themselves informed...

Certainly when calculating percentages they should definitely refer here.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: APM on March 05, 2020, 12:06:24 PM
I'd be surprised if the World Health Organization aren't following this thread to keep themselves informed...


:D
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on March 05, 2020, 12:09:58 PM
There are "entrepreneurs" cashing in on NYC streets now, selling disinfecting wipes and small bottles of hand sanitizers and N95 respirators for huge mark-ups. Getting hard to find this stuff now in the chemists or supermarkets, with empty shelves where they'd usually be. And the virus has barely hit NYC yet!

Its hard to find N95s even online now (I know this because I've a professional interest). This is despite appeals that their effectiveness for the average citizen is minimal and pleas not to eat into the supplies needed for medical professionals.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 05, 2020, 12:20:44 PM
Quote
The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.

They managed to keep the death rate so far (based on the cases reported) to 1.3% compared to 3.5% in the highly infected areas. Please expand on the neglect?

Two days ago the government were not even doing and screening tests for the virus at airports. Screening people for the virus would at least be a proactive approach.

The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.

How do you screen for the virus at an airport?

I thought they had to take swabs from your mouth and nose and then the tests take 4 to 5 hours.....

don't think that's practical to introduce at an airport.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 05, 2020, 12:22:49 PM
Quote
The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.

They managed to keep the death rate so far (based on the cases reported) to 1.3% compared to 3.5% in the highly infected areas. Please expand on the neglect?

Two days ago the government were not even doing and screening tests for the virus at airports. Screening people for the virus would at least be a proactive approach.

The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.

How do you screen for the virus at an airport?

I thought they had to take swabs from your mouth and nose and then the tests take 4 to 5 hours.....

don't think that's practical to introduce at an airport.

They aren't screening for the virus, you have to go in front of a temperature recording device. Pretty basic considering you can have this and not show and symptoms, but what else can you do bar total lockdown of freedom of movement.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Hereiam on March 05, 2020, 12:23:14 PM
good way to get a DNA profile of everyone
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: ballinaman on March 05, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Outside China, Italy and Iran the second strain appears weaker and is just the flu. No real death rate at all in other countries bar these ones.

Panic over.

Please shut up. Its idiots like you with incorrect opinions like yours that is going to do a lot of harm in slowing this down.


South Korea: 35 dead, 41 recovered = 46%
Japan: 6 dead, 43 recovered = 12%
France: 4 dead, 12 recovered = 25%
Spain: 2 dead, 2 recovered = 50%
US: 11 dead, 8 recovered =58%

The above % obviously dont count those that are in recovery mode

How long does it take to recover?

For recovery is there certain types of medication being taken or is it only hospitals that can provide the medication?


With governments predicting high instances of people getting the virus surely that is the type of information that is vital now considering it cannot be contained?

There's no medication to treat Coronavirus other than staying hydrated, eating healthy and giving your body what it needs to fight.  In 80%.of cases it is considered mild. However, those who have underlying health issues such as elderly folk, COPD, Asthma, diabetes etc they are much more likely to develop severe symptoms and may require hospitalisation because their lungs cannot cope with the virus as well. Therefore they may need assistance via a respirator to breathe properly.

The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.
Same type of meds used to treat malaria has been used in China and has been successful in slowing down the aggressiveness of the virus in infected people...giving more time for antibodies to work and recover.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 12:29:08 PM
Death rate is 2-3%.
But taking that number - that is between 1 in 30 and 1 in 50.

When I went to school 2% was 2 in 100.

 :o

1 in 30 = 3 in 90; 3/90  ~=3%
1 in 50 = 2 in 100; 2/100 = 2%


Where did you go to school?  ;D
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 05, 2020, 12:41:22 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2020/03/04/coronavirus-has-mutated-aggressive-disease-say-scientists/

Researchers at Peking University's School of Life Sciences and the Institut Pasteur of Shanghai, discovered the virus has evolved into two major lineages - dubbed ‘L’ and ‘S’ types.

The older ‘S-type’ appears to be milder and less infectious, while the ‘L-type’ which emerged later, spreads quickly and currently accounts for around 70 per cent of cases.

Genetic analysis of a man in the US who tested positive on January 21, also showed it is possible to be infected with both types.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 05, 2020, 12:49:08 PM
Willy shaking hands with all the royalists in Galway. Maybe it was him that brought the virus to the West. Dirty scrubber.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2020/03/04/coronavirus-has-mutated-aggressive-disease-say-scientists/

Researchers at Peking University's School of Life Sciences and the Institut Pasteur of Shanghai, discovered the virus has evolved into two major lineages - dubbed ‘L’ and ‘S’ types.

The older ‘S-type’ appears to be milder and less infectious, while the ‘L-type’ which emerged later, spreads quickly and currently accounts for around 70 per cent of cases.

Genetic analysis of a man in the US who tested positive on January 21, also showed it is possible to be infected with both types.

All hail HighOrLow!!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on March 05, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
Quote
The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.

They managed to keep the death rate so far (based on the cases reported) to 1.3% compared to 3.5% in the highly infected areas. Please expand on the neglect?

Two days ago the government were not even doing and screening tests for the virus at airports. Screening people for the virus would at least be a proactive approach.

The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.

How do you screen for the virus at an airport?

I thought they had to take swabs from your mouth and nose and then the tests take 4 to 5 hours.....

don't think that's practical to introduce at an airport.

They aren't screening for the virus, you have to go in front of a temperature recording device. Pretty basic considering you can have this and not show and symptoms, but what else can you do bar total lockdown of freedom of movement.

Temperature screening is fairly pointless on its own, most people with a high temperature wouldn't have this virus so you'd be scanning hundreds of thousands of people/day, several thousand of whom may have a high temperature - what do you do with those people then? Say they can't travel until you complete an actual test for the virus on them? It would be completely unworkable as far as I can see

On the whole, I think the health authorities are doing a reasonably good job. They're taking precautions rather than panicing (it's not like the last time of snow where you couldn't buy bread in the shops!!). Doing less wouldn't be a good idea imo because we don't know enough about this virus yet and there is no cure.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 05, 2020, 01:02:10 PM
Quote
The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.

They managed to keep the death rate so far (based on the cases reported) to 1.3% compared to 3.5% in the highly infected areas. Please expand on the neglect?

Two days ago the government were not even doing and screening tests for the virus at airports. Screening people for the virus would at least be a proactive approach.

The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.

How do you screen for the virus at an airport?

I thought they had to take swabs from your mouth and nose and then the tests take 4 to 5 hours.....

don't think that's practical to introduce at an airport.

They aren't screening for the virus, you have to go in front of a temperature recording device. Pretty basic considering you can have this and not show and symptoms, but what else can you do bar total lockdown of freedom of movement.

Temperature screening is fairly pointless on its own, most people with a high temperature wouldn't have this virus so you'd be scanning hundreds of thousands of people/day, several thousand of whom may have a high temperature - what do you do with those people then? Say they can't travel until you complete an actual test for the virus on them? It would be completely unworkable as far as I can see

On the whole, I think the health authorities are doing a reasonably good job. They're taking precautions rather than panicing (it's not like the last time of snow where you couldn't buy bread in the shops!!). Doing less wouldn't be a good idea imo because we don't know enough about this virus yet and there is no cure.

Find it hard to argue with you, but in this world and the claim culture - there'll be someone who tries to take up a Govt or local authority for not implementing measures.

Realistically, this is the only one they can do....I'd imagine it's lip service.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 05, 2020, 01:06:37 PM
Quote
The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.

They managed to keep the death rate so far (based on the cases reported) to 1.3% compared to 3.5% in the highly infected areas. Please expand on the neglect?

Two days ago the government were not even doing and screening tests for the virus at airports. Screening people for the virus would at least be a proactive approach.

The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.

How do you screen for the virus at an airport?

I thought they had to take swabs from your mouth and nose and then the tests take 4 to 5 hours.....

don't think that's practical to introduce at an airport.

They aren't screening for the virus, you have to go in front of a temperature recording device. Pretty basic considering you can have this and not show and symptoms, but what else can you do bar total lockdown of freedom of movement.

Exactly.

What they're doing is checking whether you've a raised temperature which can be caused by a myriad of issues including the common cold. Do you put people off a flight because they've the common cold?

You could be carrying the Corona virus and your temperature would be fine.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: bennydorano on March 05, 2020, 01:16:39 PM
The scepticism is understandable but the flippancy about effects being only 'flu like' would concern me. I had a particularly nasty  flu 7/8 years ago that took a fancy to my liver, I was off work for 3-4 weeks,  had bouts of delirium, was lying down for quick naps and waking up 6-8 hours later in disbelief I'd been asleep for so long, my wife was extremely worried for a few days when it peaked. I was as weak as water for quite a while afterwards as well.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 05, 2020, 01:39:54 PM
Quote
The government's across the world I feel have shown a serious level of neglect. It's been a case of "oh we will do something about it when it comes here". It was always coming and they did the bare minimum.

They managed to keep the death rate so far (based on the cases reported) to 1.3% compared to 3.5% in the highly infected areas. Please expand on the neglect?

Two days ago the government were not even doing and screening tests for the virus at airports. Screening people for the virus would at least be a proactive approach.

The death rates were always going to be lower in less effected areas ffs.

How do you screen for the virus at an airport?

I thought they had to take swabs from your mouth and nose and then the tests take 4 to 5 hours.....

don't think that's practical to introduce at an airport.

They aren't screening for the virus, you have to go in front of a temperature recording device. Pretty basic considering you can have this and not show and symptoms, but what else can you do bar total lockdown of freedom of movement.

Exactly.

What they're doing is checking whether you've a raised temperature which can be caused by a myriad of issues including the common cold. Do you put people off a flight because they've the common cold?

You could be carrying the Corona virus and your temperature would be fine.

As I understand it, no country is checking temperatures on the way out. Only the way in. In line with the WHO advice that there is no issue with travel.

I flew recently and was not subject to any temperature check upon arrival back into Dublin - but I was checked upon entry to where I went.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Tyrdub on March 05, 2020, 04:13:39 PM
More cases in the West of Ireland, 4 people all of whom were in Italy.
A least the West is getting its fair share, and Dublin is not getting it all.

That's the number of cases doubled in a day, although Italy is the main cause.

Also student in QUB likely with virus, who went to class! That could be problematic.

they didn't go to class
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 05, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
More cases in the West of Ireland, 4 people all of whom were in Italy.
A least the West is getting its fair share, and Dublin is not getting it all.

That's the number of cases doubled in a day, although Italy is the main cause.

Also student in QUB likely with virus, who went to class! That could be problematic.

they didn't go to class

Never bothered much with it myself at Uni
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Tyrdub on March 05, 2020, 04:17:31 PM
More cases in the West of Ireland, 4 people all of whom were in Italy.
A least the West is getting its fair share, and Dublin is not getting it all.

That's the number of cases doubled in a day, although Italy is the main cause.

Also student in QUB likely with virus, who went to class! That could be problematic.

they didn't go to class

Never bothered much with it myself at Uni

oh ha ha
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 05, 2020, 06:54:21 PM
Cork in on the act now, but no connection with Italy.  >:(
Seal off Munster, now.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 05, 2020, 07:55:01 PM
Cork in on the act now, but no connection with Italy.  >:(
Seal off Munster, now.

Pretty strange if you ask me. Probably more than him have it down there so.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2020, 08:25:53 PM
PL monitoring it now and could well cancel rest of league
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 05, 2020, 09:09:16 PM
7 more in the Republic today. 3 in the North.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Capt Pat on March 05, 2020, 09:33:05 PM
It is all kicking off now. Up to 13 cases in the republic.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 05, 2020, 10:21:30 PM
So why wasn't the airports essentially shutdown 4 weeks ago?

Would cause a helluva lot less trouble than this is going to cause.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 05, 2020, 10:25:12 PM
So why wasn't the airports essentially shutdown 4 weeks ago?

Would cause a helluva lot less trouble than this is going to cause.

Yup. My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2020, 10:57:28 PM
So why wasn't the airports essentially shutdown 4 weeks ago?

Would cause a helluva lot less trouble than this is going to cause.

Yup. My thoughts exactly.

But why stop there.... when you could close down a whole country  instead?

Except you can’t.

People always need water, food, heat/fuel, shelter. They occasionally need medicine and medical care. They don’t need human interaction (even broadband interaction might suffice) per se, but will slowly crawl up the walls without it, creating mental health issues. Education isn’t essential, but childminding when schools are closed, is. And the sad reality of life is that you need to earn money to pay for all of the above.

When you’re asking “why didn’t they just shut down this single essential service?”, it’s not that simple. Is it the role of government to arbitrarily decide which services (and therefore jobs) remain fully open, partially open, or closed? How do they decide this? How do they decide which livelihoods to f**k with entirely, partially, or not at all? But more importantly, why would they set the wheels in motion for society falling apart?  For if you close air travel, you must close ports. You close ports, you kill haulage. You kill haulage, you kill every retail industry eventually, and some overnight. Who pays all the people affected? Can we really expect our lazy over-entitled public sector to stand up and make, then implement an emergency plan to ensure that families aren’t financially destroyed? I mean they’ll be the only ones left working within a few weeks. Except there’s no fuel in petrol stations, no food in the shops. So even if they want to go to work, they can’t. And at that point, why administer payments to anyone anyway? What are they going to buy?



Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 05, 2020, 11:03:59 PM
When you’re asking “why didn’t they just shut down this single essential service?”, it’s not that simple. Is is the role of government to arbitrarily decide which services (and therefore jobs) remain fully open, partially open, or closed? How do they decide this? How do they decide which livelihoods to f**k with entirely, partially, or not at all?

They should f**k with the livelihoods of activities which significantly promote transmission of disease, and do not provide a service you cannot do without.  There is a balance of course, and things are still under control, but definite measures may be needed for a few weeks in due course.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 05, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Killer virus comes to town near you. Panic you lemming.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2020, 11:13:04 PM
When you’re asking “why didn’t they just shut down this single essential service?”, it’s not that simple. Is is the role of government to arbitrarily decide which services (and therefore jobs) remain fully open, partially open, or closed? How do they decide this? How do they decide which livelihoods to f**k with entirely, partially, or not at all?

They should f**k with the livelihoods of activities which significantly promote transmission of disease, and do not provide a service you cannot do without.  There is a balance of course, and things are still under control, but definite measures may be needed for a few weeks in due course.

We live in a world that is absolutely and utterly connected.

“Significantly promote transmission of disease”.

Have you ever observed how quickly the common cold spreads throughout a nursery school / early primary school class?

This doesn’t happen because a group of them are subjected to it from external activities. One of them connects with it, and spreads it to those they meet.

So if one haulier, one diplomat, one international footballer, one priest, one relative coming back from a funeral on a helicopter or yacht, one whoever, arrives back from their “essential duties” abroad, and is infected, it will spread.

Maybe not as quickly as with having airports open, but it will spread.

The only way to stop it spreading is to stop it coming in. Except you can’t do that in the modern world. No matter how hard you try.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 05, 2020, 11:24:24 PM
Russians very quiet in all of this.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 06, 2020, 12:02:28 AM

We live in a world that is absolutely and utterly connected.

“Significantly promote transmission of disease”.

Have you ever observed how quickly the common cold spreads throughout a nursery school / early primary school class?

This doesn’t happen because a group of them are subjected to it from external activities. One of them connects with it, and spreads it to those they meet.

So if one haulier, one diplomat, one international footballer, one priest, one relative coming back from a funeral on a helicopter or yacht, one whoever, arrives back from their “essential duties” abroad, and is infected, it will spread.

Maybe not as quickly as with having airports open, but it will spread.

The only way to stop it spreading is to stop it coming in. Except you can’t do that in the modern world. No matter how hard you try.

"not as quickly" is something worth having. As long as the numbers remain low enough for people to be treated then the death rate will be low. If it exceeds what the health service can cope with then the death rate will be a multiple of this and many people will die needlessly. Singapore is an example of place open for business that has kept things under control.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 06, 2020, 08:48:32 AM
When you’re asking “why didn’t they just shut down this single essential service?”, it’s not that simple. Is is the role of government to arbitrarily decide which services (and therefore jobs) remain fully open, partially open, or closed? How do they decide this? How do they decide which livelihoods to f**k with entirely, partially, or not at all?

They should f**k with the livelihoods of activities which significantly promote transmission of disease, and do not provide a service you cannot do without.  There is a balance of course, and things are still under control, but definite measures may be needed for a few weeks in due course.

Where do you draw the line? Close the ports also, no? Cancel all buses, trains, schools, cinema's, sporting events, religious gatherings, supermarkets...
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 06, 2020, 08:54:52 AM
When you’re asking “why didn’t they just shut down this single essential service?”, it’s not that simple. Is is the role of government to arbitrarily decide which services (and therefore jobs) remain fully open, partially open, or closed? How do they decide this? How do they decide which livelihoods to f**k with entirely, partially, or not at all?

They should f**k with the livelihoods of activities which significantly promote transmission of disease, and do not provide a service you cannot do without.  There is a balance of course, and things are still under control, but definite measures may be needed for a few weeks in due course.

Where do you draw the line? Close the ports also, no? Cancel all buses, trains, schools, cinema's, sporting events, religious gatherings, supermarkets...

Panic. Lock everything and everyone down. Panic. Be irrational. Panic more and spread rumour about it being in the next house/ street/ village/ town.
 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 06, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
Closing the airports is a no go. It's not even an option. It's not on the table lads. We are not at war or cutting ourselves off North Korean style.

https://www.who.int/ith/2019-nCoV_advice_for_international_traffic-rev/en/
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 06, 2020, 09:44:49 AM
Sure it's just the flu!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 06, 2020, 09:54:24 AM
Oh great it's the Grim Reaper again....

I couldn't be bothered with you today lad. If you want to spread more doom and gloom go elsewhere as I'm not buying it.

As of this morning the instructions from the WHO are still to wash your hands, maintain social distance, practise respiratory hygiene and if you have a cough or fever seek medical help to help stem the spread. Not exactly defcon 1 advice.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 06, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Not exactly the flu either - have you copped on to that yet?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 06, 2020, 10:28:13 AM
Not exactly the flu either - have you copped on to that yet?

Keep banging the death knell lad. Doesn't make it the end of days you long for.

Life can't be that bad for you, you actively want this to be as serious as you are making out.

I suggest getting off the internet and going outside, it's wonderful - does a lot of the mind to get out and about, gives a positive perspective on life.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 06, 2020, 10:37:18 AM
Not exactly the flu either - have you copped on to that yet?

Keep banging the death knell lad. Doesn't make it the end of days you long for.

Life can't be that bad for you, you actively want this to be as serious as you are making out.

I suggest getting off the internet and going outside, it's wonderful - does a lot of the mind to get out and about, gives a positive perspective on life.

Wtf are you talking about you head is so far up your own arse you don't realise the crap you are spouting - lets be clear lad you made a tool of yourself trying to be the big man saying its just the flu - sick quoting you on it, I pointed out it is not - where are I saying its the end of days, acknowledge you made a **** of yourself trying to be the smart man and move on, you know f**k all about me but I do know you were found out and you haven't the balls to say opps maybe it is more serious than the flu, instead you are ranting and making shite up - cop yourself on you halfwit.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 06, 2020, 10:42:04 AM
Not exactly the flu either - have you copped on to that yet?

Keep banging the death knell lad. Doesn't make it the end of days you long for.

Life can't be that bad for you, you actively want this to be as serious as you are making out.

I suggest getting off the internet and going outside, it's wonderful - does a lot of the mind to get out and about, gives a positive perspective on life.

Wtf are you talking about you head is so far up your own arse you don't realise the crap you are spouting - lets be clear lad you made a tool of yourself trying to be the big man saying its just the flu - sick quoting you on it, I pointed out it is not - where are I saying its the end of days, acknowledge you made a **** of yourself trying to be the smart man and move on, you know f**k all about me but I do know you were found out and you haven't the balls to say opps maybe it is more serious than the flu, instead you are ranting and making shite up - cop yourself on you halfwit.

You have massive problems. We'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 06, 2020, 10:52:13 AM
When you’re asking “why didn’t they just shut down this single essential service?”, it’s not that simple. Is is the role of government to arbitrarily decide which services (and therefore jobs) remain fully open, partially open, or closed? How do they decide this? How do they decide which livelihoods to f**k with entirely, partially, or not at all?

They should f**k with the livelihoods of activities which significantly promote transmission of disease, and do not provide a service you cannot do without.  There is a balance of course, and things are still under control, but definite measures may be needed for a few weeks in due course.

Where do you draw the line? Close the ports also, no? Cancel all buses, trains, schools, cinema's, sporting events, religious gatherings, supermarkets...

This list includes ports, supermarkets etc which are necessary for people to eat and cinemas which are not essential. It isn't reasonable to close supermarkets for this virus, but it may be reasonable to close cinemas. Places like Singapore have had transmission in churches and no longer have big services, but their economy is still operating. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 06, 2020, 11:01:29 AM
Not exactly the flu either - have you copped on to that yet?

Keep banging the death knell lad. Doesn't make it the end of days you long for.

Life can't be that bad for you, you actively want this to be as serious as you are making out.

I suggest getting off the internet and going outside, it's wonderful - does a lot of the mind to get out and about, gives a positive perspective on life.

Wtf are you talking about you head is so far up your own arse you don't realise the crap you are spouting - lets be clear lad you made a tool of yourself trying to be the big man saying its just the flu - sick quoting you on it, I pointed out it is not - where are I saying its the end of days, acknowledge you made a **** of yourself trying to be the smart man and move on, you know f**k all about me but I do know you were found out and you haven't the balls to say opps maybe it is more serious than the flu, instead you are ranting and making shite up - cop yourself on you halfwit.

You have massive problems. We'll leave it at that.

And you are a complete liar and a coward.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 06, 2020, 11:17:50 AM
When you’re asking “why didn’t they just shut down this single essential service?”, it’s not that simple. Is is the role of government to arbitrarily decide which services (and therefore jobs) remain fully open, partially open, or closed? How do they decide this? How do they decide which livelihoods to f**k with entirely, partially, or not at all?

They should f**k with the livelihoods of activities which significantly promote transmission of disease, and do not provide a service you cannot do without.  There is a balance of course, and things are still under control, but definite measures may be needed for a few weeks in due course.

Where do you draw the line? Close the ports also, no? Cancel all buses, trains, schools, cinema's, sporting events, religious gatherings, supermarkets...

This list includes ports, supermarkets etc which are necessary for people to eat and cinemas which are not essential. It isn't reasonable to close supermarkets for this virus, but it may be reasonable to close cinemas. Places like Singapore have had transmission in churches and no longer have big services, but their economy is still operating.

If you worked in a supermarket you might think differently.

You're not going to stop the likes of the corona virus, it's really only mitigation at this stage, so protect the elderly and those with underlying respiratory conditions and the rest of us should see it out.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Denn Forever on March 06, 2020, 11:20:38 AM
Hospital self isolates.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0306/1120531-coronavirus/https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0306/1120531-coronavirus/
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2020, 11:43:32 AM
When you’re asking “why didn’t they just shut down this single essential service?”, it’s not that simple. Is is the role of government to arbitrarily decide which services (and therefore jobs) remain fully open, partially open, or closed? How do they decide this? How do they decide which livelihoods to f**k with entirely, partially, or not at all?

They should f**k with the livelihoods of activities which significantly promote transmission of disease, and do not provide a service you cannot do without.  There is a balance of course, and things are still under control, but definite measures may be needed for a few weeks in due course.

Where do you draw the line? Close the ports also, no? Cancel all buses, trains, schools, cinema's, sporting events, religious gatherings, supermarkets...

This list includes ports, supermarkets etc which are necessary for people to eat and cinemas which are not essential. It isn't reasonable to close supermarkets for this virus, but it may be reasonable to close cinemas. Places like Singapore have had transmission in churches and no longer have big services, but their economy is still operating.

If you worked in a supermarket you might think differently.

You're not going to stop the likes of the corona virus, it's really only mitigation at this stage, so protect the elderly and those with underlying respiratory conditions and the rest of us should see it out.

Exactly !!!!!!!!!

All this talk of closing ports and airports and the cinemas and other sporting events is just nuts, England are playing Wales this weekend, France are playing Scotland, the PL is going ahead also, if the Gov thought it was a major threat surely these events wouldn't be going ahead, the biggest racing event of the year also going ahead.


If someone feels they have contracted something then the buck stops with them, self isolate and stay away from those with underlying issues.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Maiden1 on March 06, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
Since 2004 we've had

SARS
AVIAN
SWINE
MERS
ZIKA
EBOLA
CORONA

and a thread on quite a few of them.

As of now there have been approximately 3,500 deaths reported, about the same number of people die daily in car accidents. 

"Sure, it'll save a few lives, but millions will be late!" - Homer Simpson on lowering the speed limit.

Places like Singapore have had transmission in churches and no longer have big services, but their economy is still operating.

If everyone avoids going to the cinema, pub .. how would economies keep operating?  If i'm thinking of getting a new tv surely I should avoid going into the local store which would affect the profitability of the business which would impact on staffing numbers, suppliers etc.?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/business/stock-market-covid-19.html

I could well be wrong but to me it seems that the threat has been blown out of proportion.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 06, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
Will mass be cancelled? A lot of regular mass goers are the older generation and therefore more susceptible to being infected. 

Better cancel the bingo too.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 06, 2020, 12:11:36 PM
Will mass be cancelled? A lot of regular mass goers are the older generation and therefore more susceptible to being infected. 

Better cancel the bingo too.

That would make more sense than closing an airport.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 06, 2020, 12:57:34 PM
Will mass be cancelled? A lot of regular mass goers are the older generation and therefore more susceptible to being infected. 

Better cancel the bingo too.

NO, categorically NO - the church needs the old people for the envelope collection,  they don't give a dam about anything but the money.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GJL on March 06, 2020, 01:21:07 PM
Will mass be cancelled? A lot of regular mass goers are the older generation and therefore more susceptible to being infected. 

Better cancel the bingo too.

NO, categorically NO - the church needs the old people for the envelope collection,  they don't give a dam about anything but the money.

You have talked some volume of shite on this thread
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 06, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
Will mass be cancelled? A lot of regular mass goers are the older generation and therefore more susceptible to being infected. 

Better cancel the bingo too.

NO, categorically NO - the church needs the old people for the envelope collection,  they don't give a dam about anything but the money.

You have talked some volume of shite on this thread

Wind your neck in kid, the catholic church is a money hungry organisation, I believe there is a block feature - knock yourself out, by the way quote away - everything I said is factually correct unlike GetOverTheBar telling lies that this is just the flu.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2020, 01:39:28 PM
Will mass be cancelled? A lot of regular mass goers are the older generation and therefore more susceptible to being infected. 

Better cancel the bingo too.

Can do Mass online anyways! As for the collection the Klubfunder should be put in place so the money is just debited out of your account!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 06, 2020, 01:49:39 PM
Will mass be cancelled? A lot of regular mass goers are the older generation and therefore more susceptible to being infected. 

Better cancel the bingo too.

Can do Mass online anyways! As for the collection the Klubfunder should be put in place so the money is just debited out of your account!

This is already available.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 06, 2020, 02:24:02 PM
Since 2004 we've had

SARS
AVIAN
SWINE
MERS
ZIKA
EBOLA
CORONA

and a thread on quite a few of them.

As of now there have been approximately 3,500 deaths reported, about the same number of people die daily in car accidents. 

"Sure, it'll save a few lives, but millions will be late!" - Homer Simpson on lowering the speed limit.

Places like Singapore have had transmission in churches and no longer have big services, but their economy is still operating.

If everyone avoids going to the cinema, pub .. how would economies keep operating?  If i'm thinking of getting a new tv surely I should avoid going into the local store which would affect the profitability of the business which would impact on staffing numbers, suppliers etc.?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/business/stock-market-covid-19.html

I could well be wrong but to me it seems that the threat has been blown out of proportion.

I think you're dead right. It's not the rage virus from 28 days later. Most people will recover from it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 06, 2020, 02:45:17 PM
If everyone avoids going to the cinema, pub .. how would economies keep operating?  If i'm thinking of getting a new tv surely I should avoid going into the local store which would affect the profitability of the business which would impact on staffing numbers, suppliers etc.?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/business/stock-market-covid-19.html

I could well be wrong but to me it seems that the threat has been blown out of proportion.

You sound a bit like Danny Healy-Rae. Exactly how many people should die so you can go to the pub?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 06, 2020, 03:09:32 PM
I have tickets for Wimbledon so the cnuts better not cancel it.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 06, 2020, 03:12:57 PM
I have tickets for Wimbledon so the cnuts better not cancel it.

A glass of Pimms and strawberrys will cure ye!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 06, 2020, 03:23:12 PM
Pharmacies in the South have gone demented people are stocking up on everything do they think it's some kind of nuclear holocaust??

People need to calm down there aren't that many people who are high risk!!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 06, 2020, 03:28:23 PM
Pharmacies in the South have gone demented people are stocking up on everything do they think it's some kind of nuclear holocaust??

People need to calm down there aren't that many people who are high risk!!

Am sure there is almost 150,000 people over 80 on the island not counting the sick , at a reasonable guesstimate 30,000+.

That would leave almost 200,000 then.

Thats a brave few people who would be worried IF what some say is true about the virus
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2020, 06:06:41 PM
I have tickets for Wimbledon so the cnuts better not cancel it.

You get the lotto? I got the lotto tickets for the final in court one ffs! Sold them on!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 06, 2020, 11:46:19 PM
The man is cracked

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1236055907102011393
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on March 07, 2020, 02:28:58 AM
The man is cracked

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1236055907102011393

Un-f**king-believable. ::)

WTF has his "perfect" Ukraine letter got to do with Coronavirus (which, according to him, was a hoax a week ago) and the lack of tests?

And according to many reports, especially from Washington state, anyone who needs a test is most certainly NOT currently getting one.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on March 07, 2020, 09:21:52 AM
The man is cracked

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1236055907102011393

Un-f**king-believable. ::)

WTF has his "perfect" Ukraine letter got to do with Coronavirus (which, according to him, was a hoax a week ago) and the lack of tests?

And according to many reports, especially from Washington state, anyone who needs a test is most certainly NOT currently getting one.

Everything, much amazing, it is perfect, ask anyone, everyone agrees. It is the best letter and the best test.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2020, 01:25:36 PM
https://talkingpointz.com/coronavirus-get-over-it/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=coronavirus-get-over-it&fbclid=IwAR1gs-L6ub4MRRxa_RsqO2WVWxoVp_Vwkfs4tbs5uCippganXxFpOTxxpHA

Sensible
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 07, 2020, 03:05:29 PM
https://talkingpointz.com/coronavirus-get-over-it/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=coronavirus-get-over-it&fbclid=IwAR1gs-L6ub4MRRxa_RsqO2WVWxoVp_Vwkfs4tbs5uCippganXxFpOTxxpHA

Sensible

This kind of article is a dangerous mixture of common sense (e.g. masks, toilet roll etc) and nonsense (conflating stats for all of China and Wuhan).
You get a lot of articles along the lines of only x people died in China so we don't need to worry, ignoring that fact that China had a lot of measures in place to ensure that only x people died. It is fine to say that only x% of people in Wuhan got it, but that was enough to collapse the health system there, so the death rate was 4 or 5 times other places.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Maiden1 on March 07, 2020, 03:30:51 PM
People need to watch more Bear Grylls if the first priority is to stock a whole lifetime supply of toilet rolls.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
https://talkingpointz.com/coronavirus-get-over-it/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=coronavirus-get-over-it&fbclid=IwAR1gs-L6ub4MRRxa_RsqO2WVWxoVp_Vwkfs4tbs5uCippganXxFpOTxxpHA

Sensible

This kind of article is a dangerous mixture of common sense (e.g. masks, toilet roll etc) and nonsense (conflating stats for all of China and Wuhan).
You get a lot of articles along the lines of only x people died in China so we don't need to worry, ignoring that fact that China had a lot of measures in place to ensure that only x people died. It is fine to say that only x% of people in Wuhan got it, but that was enough to collapse the health system there, so the death rate was 4 or 5 times other places.

So his stats are wrong? We can’t all go by one persons view on it, everyone had an opinion he’s based his on facts. He’s not saying that it’s not dangerous it’s just not as dangerous as walking up the Shankill with a O’Neills 1916 remembrance top on singing Come out ya Black and Tans
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on March 07, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
We are up to 7 cases in the 6. The latest 3 are all cases are all linked to cases of adults who have from Italy and are linked to a previous confirmed positive case. Ffs don't travel to Italy
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 07, 2020, 08:17:46 PM
Met a colleague of the wife’s in Tesco last week. He proceeded to tell us he was quarantined from his work as he was just back from Italy >:(
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on March 07, 2020, 08:24:48 PM
So quarantined but out shopping? Terrible he should be scooped and put in quarantine  then. No f**k given for others 😠
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 07, 2020, 08:35:19 PM

https://www.ft.com/content/6f7fdbae-4b3b-11ea-95a0-43d18ec715f5

Official censors are already struggling to control the online outpouring of derision and disgust at initial attempts to cover up the disease. One early target for ridicule was the senior health official sent from Beijing to Wuhan to publicly reassure the masses the disease was “preventable and controllable”. He contracted the virus himself and has become a symbol of government incompetence and mendacity.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 07, 2020, 08:37:51 PM
Work rule as opposed to society one I guess and he claimed. He claimed he was in the south of Italy so it was ok as the outbreak in the north. Infuriating especially when you have a wee baby with you >:(

It will happen a lot I suspect though. I dunno who would enforce a quarantine.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 07, 2020, 09:06:59 PM
There should be a form of words that you agree to in quarantine and it should not be in any way socially acceptable to be see out and about
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: lurganblue on March 07, 2020, 09:36:10 PM
WhatsApp rumours tonight that a lad playing for Hannover in Portadown has tested positive for Coronavirus this evening.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 07, 2020, 09:43:06 PM
Met a colleague of the wife’s in Tesco last week. He proceeded to tell us he was quarantined from his work as he was just back from Italy >:(

Should people who have been in Italy this past 6 weeks not be tested, as of urgency?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 07, 2020, 09:45:50 PM
I would have thought so yeah.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Capt Pat on March 07, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
Is this toilet paper thing happening in Ireland north or south? Or is it just in places like Australia?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on March 07, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
Is this toilet paper thing happening in Ireland north or south? Or is it just in places like Australia?
Think it just the crazy Ozzie's.

Panic buying of toilet paper in Australia has caused something weird.  🇦🇺 https://t.co/nHoXncX8iW
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: square_ball on March 07, 2020, 11:04:15 PM
WhatsApp rumours tonight that a lad playing for Hannover in Portadown has tested positive for Coronavirus this evening.

Yeah Coagh United have put up a statement. Player was undergoing tests for the virus, played in the match and then in the subsequent hours tests have come back positive.

Edit to add that lurganblue is correct in that it was a player from the portadown club that was playing at Coagh.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on March 08, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
Is this toilet paper thing happening in Ireland north or south? Or is it just in places like Australia?
Think it just the crazy Ozzie's.

Panic buying of toilet paper in Australia has caused something weird.  🇦🇺 https://t.co/nHoXncX8iW

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1236271062159175680
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:12:16 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238)

Italy taking extreme measures against this oul flu.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 10:18:56 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238)

Italy taking extreme measures against this oul flu.

It’s a good thing it’s not as bad flu like the normal one.

So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 32 million illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
More flippancy, this virus is 3 months old.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 08, 2020, 10:50:57 AM
These posts about flu are immature and irresponsible. Flu is everywhere, while Covid 19 is not thankfully everywhere and it has only been going for 6 weeks, so of course the annual world totals for flu are higher.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on March 08, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238)

Italy taking extreme measures against this oul flu.

It’s a good thing it’s not as bad flu like the normal one.

So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 32 million illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This is a very ill informed comment. If you have read anything about Covid-19 you will know this is nothing like the ordinary flu. It is a fast spreading highly contagious virus with no vaccine. You can’t protect people against everything and at least with common flu we have vaccines which mitigate this risk to such a large extent we generally don’t give it much thought. The number of victims the common flu claims is still scary as strains of flu mutate and build resistance to that years vaccine which is why there is a new jab each year. If Covid-19 gets on the loose as the common flu has then there is much bigger trouble ahead. Italy is proving testament to that. I hope you have no family or relations that are elderly or have underlying medical problems and are exposed to this. You might have a different outlook then.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Nanderson on March 08, 2020, 11:03:27 AM
I dont understand how you can be unwell/worried enough to get a test for coronavirus yet still think its ok to go and play a game of football?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2020, 11:16:38 AM
I dont understand how you can be unwell/worried enough to get a test for coronavirus yet still think its ok to go and play a game of football?
He wasn't unwell as he was asymptomatic and probably just went as a precautionary measure. Looks like a fool now though.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Denn Forever on March 08, 2020, 11:22:58 AM
In the Island next  door, You  can ring 111 and get info on where your nearest pod to get tested is.  Do we have similar number/pod down here?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Saffrongael on March 08, 2020, 11:29:16 AM
It’s much more lethal than the flu
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 08, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
Why is Northern Italy so affected, what happened there initially?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 08, 2020, 12:15:38 PM
I think someone brought it in from China
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: omagh_gael on March 08, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
This is why Covid19 is so dangerous. This is a modern country with excellent healthcare facilities, they are sending out a stark warning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html
Title: Re: China Coronavirusn
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on March 08, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Why is Northern Italy so affected, what happened there initially?

It just seems to be down to the fact it was spread to Italy before anyone really starting taking it seriously and spread from there. The genie was out of the bottle. Just unlucky. Could have been anywhere. Italy also has an elderly population which has only compounded an already bad situation. This is why it is important to treat this with the respect it deserves and not to be trying to compare it to the flu.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 12:38:56 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238)

Italy taking extreme measures against this oul flu.

It’s a good thing it’s not as bad flu like the normal one.

So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 32 million illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This is a very ill informed comment. If you have read anything about Covid-19 you will know this is nothing like the ordinary flu. It is a fast spreading highly contagious virus with no vaccine. You can’t protect people against everything and at least with common flu we have vaccines which mitigate this risk to such a large extent we generally don’t give it much thought. The number of victims the common flu claims is still scary as strains of flu mutate and build resistance to that years vaccine which is why there is a new jab each year. If Covid-19 gets on the loose as the common flu has then there is much bigger trouble ahead. Italy is proving testament to that. I hope you have no family or relations that are elderly or have underlying medical problems and are exposed to this. You might have a different outlook then.

Not my statement, I’d say it was written by someone more intelligent than the ‘experts’ on here
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 08, 2020, 12:45:52 PM
I'd say there were irresponsible idiots posting on calcioboard.com a week ago, È solo influenza.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on March 08, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238)

Italy taking extreme measures against this oul flu.

It’s a good thing it’s not as bad flu like the normal one.

So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 32 million illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This is a very ill informed comment. If you have read anything about Covid-19 you will know this is nothing like the ordinary flu. It is a fast spreading highly contagious virus with no vaccine. You can’t protect people against everything and at least with common flu we have vaccines which mitigate this risk to such a large extent we generally don’t give it much thought. The number of victims the common flu claims is still scary as strains of flu mutate and build resistance to that years vaccine which is why there is a new jab each year. If Covid-19 gets on the loose as the common flu has then there is much bigger trouble ahead. Italy is proving testament to that. I hope you have no family or relations that are elderly or have underlying medical problems and are exposed to this. You might have a different outlook then.

Not my statement, I’d say it was written by someone more intelligent than the ‘experts’ on here

As a statement it maybe we’ll be true about the numbers but you are posting as if to be dismissive of Covid-19. I don’t see anyone else here posting things that dismiss the seriousness of what is going on. You just can’t then come with the cope out that it wasn’t your statement. If it wasn’t who said that Covid-19 was nothing in comparison to the flu or where did you read that.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: lurganblue on March 08, 2020, 12:52:18 PM
This is why Covid19 is so dangerous. This is a modern country with excellent healthcare facilities, they are sending out a stark warning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html

That doesn't make good reading
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238)

Italy taking extreme measures against this oul flu.

It’s a good thing it’s not as bad flu like the normal one.

So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 32 million illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This is a very ill informed comment. If you have read anything about Covid-19 you will know this is nothing like the ordinary flu. It is a fast spreading highly contagious virus with no vaccine. You can’t protect people against everything and at least with common flu we have vaccines which mitigate this risk to such a large extent we generally don’t give it much thought. The number of victims the common flu claims is still scary as strains of flu mutate and build resistance to that years vaccine which is why there is a new jab each year. If Covid-19 gets on the loose as the common flu has then there is much bigger trouble ahead. Italy is proving testament to that. I hope you have no family or relations that are elderly or have underlying medical problems and are exposed to this. You might have a different outlook then.

Not my statement, I’d say it was written by someone more intelligent than the ‘experts’ on here

As a statement it maybe we’ll be true about the numbers but you are posting as if to be dismissive of Covid-19. [i]I don’t see anyone else here posting things that dismiss the seriousness of what is going on[/i]. You just can’t then come with the cope out that it wasn’t your statement. If it wasn’t who said that Covid-19 was nothing in comparison to the flu or where did you read that.

You must have getoverthebar on block then!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on March 08, 2020, 01:31:12 PM
This site give a lot of stats.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 08, 2020, 01:36:06 PM
This is why Covid19 is so dangerous. This is a modern country with excellent healthcare facilities, they are sending out a stark warning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html

That doesn't make good reading

It really doesn’t  :(
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: omagh_gael on March 08, 2020, 01:46:01 PM
This site give a lot of stats.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Interesting that S Korea have 1500 more cases than Italy but less than quarter of the deaths. What's going on there? Is it a cultural thing were Asians tend to more deferential to authority therefore self isolating much more thoroughly? Can't imagine their healthcare is significantly better to create such a gap.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: mayoman dan on March 08, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
The Irish government and the HSE response to this whole thing has been nothing short of a disgrace. Having taken Friday off work due to flu like symptoms i went on to the hse website to get info about the coronavirus.The website states that if you have any symptoms call your gp do not go to your gp as you may need to self isolate.So i called my gp only to be told i have to ring a hse coronavirus helpline and they will assess me and talk me through appropriate next steps.So after waiting on hold for almost an hour i eventually get through to an operator whos first advice was to check the hse website.After explaining that i had checked the website and phoned my gp only to be sent here the operator told me it was PROBABLY just a head cold or the seasonal flu.Just to put this into context im 32 reasonably fit and healthy with no underlying health problems that i know of.Im fairly sure if i contracted the coronavirus my immune system could fight it off but trying to be a responsible adult i dont want to pass this on to anyone else.So as my frustration grew with this operator telling me it was again PROBABLY just a cold or flu i asked what qualified her to give me such advice???After refusing to answer my question she told me hse guidelines state im PROBABLY not infected and i can continue going about my day to day business.Im sure my case isnt unique and for all i know some civil servant with no medical training is giving me advice about my health....Its a joke of a set up
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: David McKeown on March 08, 2020, 02:17:10 PM
This site give a lot of stats.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Interesting that S Korea have 1500 more cases than Italy but less than quarter of the deaths. What's going on there? Is it a cultural thing were Asians tend to more deferential to authority therefore self isolating much more thoroughly? Can't imagine their healthcare is significantly better to create such a gap.

Might be a factor although it could Possibly be age demographics. Does that area of Italy have a higher ageing population? 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 08, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
The Irish government and the HSE response to this whole thing has been nothing short of a disgrace. Having taken Friday off work due to flu like symptoms i went on to the hse website to get info about the coronavirus.The website states that if you have any symptoms call your gp do not go to your gp as you may need to self isolate.So i called my gp only to be told i have to ring a hse coronavirus helpline and they will assess me and talk me through appropriate next steps.So after waiting on hold for almost an hour i eventually get through to an operator whos first advice was to check the hse website.After explaining that i had checked the website and phoned my gp only to be sent here the operator told me it was PROBABLY just a head cold or the seasonal flu.Just to put this into context im 32 reasonably fit and healthy with no underlying health problems that i know of.Im fairly sure if i contracted the coronavirus my immune system could fight it off but trying to be a responsible adult i dont want to pass this on to anyone else.So as my frustration grew with this operator telling me it was again PROBABLY just a cold or flu i asked what qualified her to give me such advice???After refusing to answer my question she told me hse guidelines state im PROBABLY not infected and i can continue going about my day to day business.Im sure my case isnt unique and for all i know some civil servant with no medical training is giving me advice about my health....Its a joke of a set up

Even if it is only regular flu you should not be going about passing it on to other people, especially at present.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 08, 2020, 02:20:15 PM
This site give a lot of stats.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Interesting that S Korea have 1500 more cases than Italy but less than quarter of the deaths. What's going on there? Is it a cultural thing were Asians tend to more deferential to authority therefore self isolating much more thoroughly? Can't imagine their healthcare is significantly better to create such a gap.

Might be a factor although it could Possibly be age demographics. Does that area of Italy have a higher ageing population?

The death rate may be partly a function of the date when the person got the disease, South Korea may be a few days behind.
But also in Italy health care people had picked up the pox in the early days and this could have brought it to other ill people.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: omagh_gael on March 08, 2020, 02:58:41 PM
Done a bit of looking around and this appears to be the variable that's significantly different in S Korea...

https://www.businessinsider.com/south-korea-coronavirus-testing-death-rate-2020-3

The US and South Korea announced their first cases of the coronavirus on the same day: January 20. More than six weeks later, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has tested around 1,500 people for the virus. South Korea, meanwhile, has tested about 140,000
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on March 08, 2020, 05:15:33 PM
This is why Covid19 is so dangerous. This is a modern country with excellent healthcare facilities, they are sending out a stark warning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html

Up to 10% of cases needing intensive care treatment.

In the north there are approx. 100 intensive care beds in total.

And only 20% of these are not already occupied. So that's 20 available beds for the entire region.

At a 10% rate of admission to ICU, we start to run out of facilities to adequately treat people once you have more than 200 concurrent cases.

Barring a miracle, an unprecedented shitstorm is coming that will kill thousands of people around us. Most of these will be elderly and/ or already ill, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to just write off other human beings.

This isn't swine flu or bird flu or SARS or regular old flu. This is a threat unparalleled in our lifetimes. Any lingering flippancy or ignorance of the gravity of the situation is unforgivable - the facts are out there for everyone to access.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: charlieTully on March 08, 2020, 05:19:33 PM
Great idea austerity proved to be....
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 08, 2020, 06:09:27 PM
This is why Covid19 is so dangerous. This is a modern country with excellent healthcare facilities, they are sending out a stark warning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html

Up to 10% of cases needing intensive care treatment.

In the north there are approx. 100 intensive care beds in total.

And only 20% of these are not already occupied. So that's 20 available beds for the entire region.

At a 10% rate of admission to ICU, we start to run out of facilities to adequately treat people once you have more than 200 concurrent cases.

Barring a miracle, an unprecedented shitstorm is coming that will kill thousands of people around us. Most of these will be elderly and/ or already ill, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to just write off other human beings.

This isn't swine flu or bird flu or SARS or regular old flu. This is a threat unparalleled in our lifetimes. Any lingering flippancy or ignorance of the gravity of the situation is unforgivable - the facts are out there for everyone to access.

The one thing that’s clear above all other things right now, is that you have succumbed to confirmation bias.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: ONeill on March 08, 2020, 06:19:37 PM
At least we don't have the wankers coming on and quoting suicide rates or heart disease rates.  The gaaboard rises above that shit.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 08, 2020, 06:23:19 PM

Barring a miracle, an unprecedented shitstorm is coming that will kill thousands of people around us. Most of these will be elderly and/ or already ill, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to just write off other human beings.

Some people think t]hat it is a good enough reason so that they won't be inconvenienced.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on March 08, 2020, 06:32:35 PM
This is why Covid19 is so dangerous. This is a modern country with excellent healthcare facilities, they are sending out a stark warning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html

Up to 10% of cases needing intensive care treatment.

In the north there are approx. 100 intensive care beds in total.

And only 20% of these are not already occupied. So that's 20 available beds for the entire region.

At a 10% rate of admission to ICU, we start to run out of facilities to adequately treat people once you have more than 200 concurrent cases.

Barring a miracle, an unprecedented shitstorm is coming that will kill thousands of people around us. Most of these will be elderly and/ or already ill, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to just write off other human beings.

This isn't swine flu or bird flu or SARS or regular old flu. This is a threat unparalleled in our lifetimes. Any lingering flippancy or ignorance of the gravity of the situation is unforgivable - the facts are out there for everyone to access.

The one thing that’s clear above all other things right now, is that you have succumbed to confirmation bias.

A predictably trite contribution from the board's contrarian in chief. You'd do well to quit always trying to find the other side of things - most often it's just not there.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 08, 2020, 07:02:01 PM
So why wasn't the airports essentially shutdown 4 weeks ago?

Would cause a helluva lot less trouble than this is going to cause.

Yup. My thoughts exactly.

But why stop there.... when you could close down a whole country  instead?

Except you can’t.

That is PRECISELY the point.

Shut down the interface from this country to others and then activity within the country can more or less continue unabated.

Now its gonna be a right shit show.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 08, 2020, 07:02:54 PM
It always boils down to money.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 08, 2020, 07:14:17 PM
The one thing that’s clear above all other things right now, is that you have succumbed to confirmation bias.

Sorry wobbler but that dismissing reality through ignorance.

If you care to go look at the numbers coming through from other countries aside from Italy, you'll see its between 10-20% of cases are either severe or critical. [Those that will need ventilators etc.]


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 08, 2020, 07:18:57 PM
Ed. You’ve seem to be at a point where you’re recommending that Northern Ireland should seek to emulate Italy, where that the notable difference in approaches to date is that after suffering dozens of cases, some senior doctors in Italy have gone on record with a belief that a shitshow is coming, while urging people to take it seriously.

What them, you, Radio and Tommy just don’t seem willing to accept is that our health system will never cope with a nationwide pandemic. It’s just not possible to scale a health service by 40%, 50%, 100%, and to react unilaterally to a condition that is non-threatening to the majority of people who contract it, ahead of their usual daily dose of threatening stuff, would be wrong.

This isn’t just about money Tommy. The basic fundamental truth is that we live in a service society. When you start shutting down services, a snowball starts forming. You are off the believe that the Coronavirus snowball is worse than anything a societal meltdown might bring. Personally I make you wrong.

Radio, let’s leave money aside. Both the UK and Ireland agree to close their ports and airports, and to close them to each other. Honestly, how long until anarchy?

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 08, 2020, 07:22:56 PM
The one thing that’s clear above all other things right now, is that you have succumbed to confirmation bias.

Sorry wobbler but that dismissing reality through ignorance.

If you care to go look at the numbers coming through from other countries aside from Italy, you'll see its between 10-20% of cases are either severe or critical. [Those that will need ventilators etc.]

Radio see rely above.

The easiest thing for anyone to do is to start blaming the government.

The right thing to do is to fight that thought pattern. If this has genuine potential for a national pandemic, then don’t waste time in fantasy land where doctors, nurses, beds, medical equipment and drugs can be upscaled by double digit percentages within a couple of months.

Just say your prayers.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 08, 2020, 07:24:26 PM
Radio, let’s leave money aside. Both the UK and Ireland agree to close their ports and airports, and to close them to each other. Honestly, how long until anarchy?

Just what do you think is coming down the track if they don't?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 08, 2020, 07:37:44 PM
Radio see rely above.

The easiest thing for anyone to do is to start blami

It **is** the governments fault.

They sat on it in the critical first phase and its too late now. They are still about 4-6 weeks behind where they need to be in taking action.

Travel to/from Italy should have been stopped weeks ago. Its **still** ongoing.
Travel to/from China should have been stopped months ago. Its **still** ongoing.

Anyone coming in from a known infection hotspot should be placed in isolation, not self-isolation (which many are paying lip service to), for 20 days.


The later they leave it to get real about dealing with this, the worse its going to be.

Your on about anarchy 'cos of stopping travel? Just what the f**k you think is going to happen when folks are sick - or their children are sick, cannot get medication cos the pharmacies are sold out and cannot go to the hospitals because they've essentially collapsed under the weight of this?

You - and an awful lot of other people - need to get f**king real about what's coming - no solidarity posts on social media are gonna fix this for the snowflakes.


The Spanish flu had a mortality rate of less than 1% (less dangerous than this), it infected 800,000 people in Ireland over about 20 months and killed around 23,000.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 08, 2020, 07:39:14 PM
Radio, let’s leave money aside. Both the UK and Ireland agree to close their ports and airports, and to close them to each other. Honestly, how long until anarchy?

Just what do you think is coming down the track if they don't?

The 4 wide scenarios.

1. An absolute shitshow, a proper doomsday virus that continually mutates and strengthens, taking all but the strong and the lucky.
2. Something along its current lines, and its initial state proves to be a mass killer and changes the face of Irish society forever, wiping out a double digit percentage of the population within a year or two.
3. Something along its current lines, which spreads quickly enough and mutates often  enough to become an accustomed part of living in the developed world, like the flu, and each year enough medical improvements come along to lessen its impact on those who become infected.
4.  Something along its current lines, except it doesn’t mutate frequently enough and in a relatively short space of time, all but disappears.


You are determined that it’s going to be a 1 or a 2. Which is okay.

But  I’d suggest that if it’s a 1, there’s f**k all anyone can do about it. If it’s a 2, then all a government can really do is, if they’re lucky, postpone the inevitable for a while. If it’s a 4, then we would have been better off not getting into a twist about it.  So that leaves 3. And as we’ve never quite mastered the flu, I’m not sure whether we will with this virus either.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 07:44:18 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 08, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Radio. Listen.

If this virus is as contagious as you wish to believe, then shutting down Italian and Chinese travel is not enough. Even if Leo had have convinced the Uk to do likewise, it would have been a finger in the dam. With NI not bound by the same regulations, it would be like trying to serve a pint in a sieve.

I can get what you’re saying about buying the health service time, and easing the initial load while a plan is created. But how much difference would 3 months / 6 months / 18 months really make here to a health service that has no potential to scale to the levels of need that worry you?  Especially when the tipping point here is not a plane load of Italians shopping in Dublin City Centre, but a healthy Irishman who says mass on a Sunday, does a hospital round on the Monday, welcomes children to  the local play school on the Tuesday, draws bingo on the Wednesday, and realises on the Thursday that his cough is getting worse, not better..
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 08, 2020, 07:51:48 PM
2. Something along its current lines, and its initial state proves to be a mass killer and changes the face of Irish society forever, wiping out a double digit percentage of the population within a year or two.
3. Something along its current lines, which spreads quickly enough and mutates often  enough to become an accustomed part of living in the developed world, like the flu, and each year enough medical improvements come along to lessen its impact on those who become infected.

Leaving aside (1), because it doesn't matter what we do and leaving aside (4), as that is hoping for luck to carry us through.

For me, I see, well, seen - its too late now - the sensible plan as ultimately being one of:

(i) buying time for a vaccine.
(ii) restrict any instances of the disease to directly those entering the country.
(iii) keep the burden to NHS/HSE as low as possible.

With that in mind, I would have essentially shut the air/sea travel to passengers, goods can continue - but required disinfection and their own quarantine time. Anyone that must travel must accept strict quarantine (not self-quarantine) on arrival in country. No ifs, no buts.

If the numbers could have been limited to the few that travel in, then the NHS/HSE could have managed. It could also have been stopped from "breaking out".

That would also have allowed time to set up the manpower/infrastructure to deal for when it eventually does (and it would) break out into the country. Then when someone "inside" gets it, you have the resources to trace and quarantine all contacts. Act strong early, be that close workplaces, schools etc, and you slow or if your lucky, stop the spread.



Instead, we've had half-measures and ineptitude. Now the NHS/HSE will (effectively) collapse under the strain. Probably before end of April.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 08, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
But how much difference would 3 months / 6 months / 18 months really make here to a health service that has no potential to scale to the levels of need that worry you?

18 months is the magic number - as your likely to be into the realms of vaccination territory, at least for the most vulnerable.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 08, 2020, 07:56:07 PM
If this virus is as contagious as you wish to believe, then shutting down Italian and Chinese travel is not enough. Even if Leo had have convinced the Uk to do likewise, it would have been a finger in the dam. With NI not bound by the same regulations, it would be like trying to serve a pint in a sieve.

That is why all political leaders everywhere share the blame for this.

Sure they can sit down and "discuss" it. As if a politician discussing something arrived at anything useful in a hurry.


Look at what China has had to do to try and contain it and keep the health services outside Wuhan functioning. Do you see anything like that degree of hard decision being made by the leaders here?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 08, 2020, 07:58:41 PM
Radio has a point. I work for a US multinational and we have stopped all visits for our people and all visitors from outside coming to us. Anyone travelling from an infected area is being told to not come to work for 2 weeks. All multinationals I have contact with are doing the same. So why are the irish government, for example, even considering allowing St Patrick's day parade. Money should not be the top consideration in every scenario. Why are we allowing ejits to fly out to ski holidays today to Italy. Its crazy.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 08, 2020, 08:01:41 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

133 deaths in a single day in Italy. I've just been instructed to work from home for the next fortnight.

I think we can stop playing it down now. And that goes for the squatter in the White House too.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 08, 2020, 08:03:24 PM
Ah now we are at the nub of it, basically, it’s always someone else’s fault.

——-

Neither you, me, nor anyone on this thread, nor indeed anyone in Ireland, has the faintest idea of how swiftly China acted, nor how progressively or humanely they have acted, nor how effective their actions have been.

You only know what they are willing to share, and they are unlikely to share the story as it happened.

If you are choosing to highlight their actions as something to emulate, it is the epitome of confirmation bias.


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 08, 2020, 08:09:09 PM
Radio has a point. I work for a US multinational and we have stopped all visits for our people and all visitors from outside coming to us. Anyone travelling from an infected area is being told to not come to work for 2 weeks. All multinationals I have contact with are doing the same. So why are the irish government, for example, even considering allowing St Patrick's day parade. Money should not be the top consideration in every scenario. Why are we allowing ejits to fly out to ski holidays today to Italy. Its crazy.

To blame the government’s actions (or lack thereof) on money is lazy analysis. There is of course an economical angle to consider, but only in the fact that society will implode without an economic baseline whereby people work, people earn, people trade earnings for goods and services.. This is not about trying to  save €1bn or about keeping a bank afloat, or about Ireland’s worldwide financial rating.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 08, 2020, 08:11:37 PM
Radio has a point. I work for a US multinational and we have stopped all visits for our people and all visitors from outside coming to us. Anyone travelling from an infected area is being told to not come to work for 2 weeks. All multinationals I have contact with are doing the same. So why are the irish government, for example, even considering allowing St Patrick's day parade. Money should not be the top consideration in every scenario. Why are we allowing ejits to fly out to ski holidays today to Italy. Its crazy.

I suspect the parade is not the biggest problem, it has been suggested that  transmission outdoors is less of a problem, especially if the weather is like today and people are well wrapped up. The bigger problem may be people in pubs etc. Perhaps we should follow the Italian principle of only allowing bars open during the day and if they can keep people 2 metres apart.

Neither you, me, nor anyone on this thread, nor indeed anyone in Ireland, has the faintest idea of how swiftly China acted, nor how progressively or humanely they have acted, nor how effective their actions have been.

Of course some people in Ireland, if not on this thread, have the faintest idea; we have evacuees from Wuhan, we have reports from the WHO. There may be some limitations to this information, but we know the general idea. We can also learn from Hong Kong and Singapore, where the disease is fairly well under control without complete lockdowns, but with actions all the same. There they have "maintained the economic baseline".
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 08:53:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619)

Nothing to see here !!!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 08:57:15 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 09:16:16 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: bennydorano on March 08, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
The UK & Ireland are both in a healthier position than a lot of countries, the natural defences of being island nations should be a big help if & when the harsh restrictions eventually do come. I would think the USA is going to suffer badly, it wasn't being taken seriously until the horse had bolted; the uninsured people / expensive nature of the healthcare system is a recipe for disaster. It should derail Trump's re-election too, his idiocy will become increasingly clear, even for the zealots if he continues with the nonsense in the face of rising death rates and economic recession.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 08, 2020, 09:30:39 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

5 or 6 people die on the island of Ireland each hour. If Covid 19 peaks as per the Sunday Business Post today then that would become 30 or 40.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:31:20 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 08, 2020, 09:32:26 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619)

Nothing to see here !!!

I for one thought this was a media driven click bait reaction. The reality is different. We are facing into exactly what is happening in Italy and our government is not reacting at all. It's very worrying that this is coming and it's coming fast because no one is taking it seriously, as demonstrated here by wobbler.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619)

Nothing to see here !!!

I for one thought this was a media driven click bait reaction. The reality is different. We are facing into exactly what is happening in Italy and our government is not reacting at all. It's very worrying that this is coming and it's coming fast because no one is taking it seriously, as demonstrated here by wobbler.

It is a humanitarian crisis but as long as miltown is ok, f**k the rest.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 09:35:28 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:36:43 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:38:50 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Congratulations on showing your true colours btw, we all knew for years your bigotry, if it doesn't impede on milltown f**k the rest, good man.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:39:43 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 09:42:35 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?

Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:45:10 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?

Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick

Pathetic response, getoverthebar deemed something he knew nothing about as simply the flu, you have upped the anti by alluding to the fact that if there are no deaths in Ireland f**k the rest, I am sure you are a lovely bigot.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 09:49:24 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?

Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick

Pathetic response, getoverthebar deemed something he knew nothing about as simply the flu, you have upped the anti by alluding to the fact that if there are no deaths in Ireland f**k the rest, I am sure you are a lovely bigot.

Not going to answer question? But now I’m a bigot? You’re not well lad
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: bennydorano on March 08, 2020, 09:52:51 PM
Ach would yis f**k away off the pair of you
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:54:27 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?

Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick

Pathetic response, getoverthebar deemed something he knew nothing about as simply the flu, you have upped the anti by alluding to the fact that if there are no deaths in Ireland f**k the rest, I am sure you are a lovely bigot.

Not going to answer question? But now I’m a bigot? You’re not well lad

Yip you have shown contempt to foreigners for years, now you couldn't give a rats arse how many are dying as Long as Ireland ok, let's sit it out like Brexit and you call me a dick, get a grip LAD. Btw your mystical power over Ireland won't protect them from this virus.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 09:55:27 PM
Ach would yis f**k away off the pair of you

If he was in a pub quoting this shite bet you wouldn't f**k away off.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 09:57:56 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?

Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick

Pathetic response, getoverthebar deemed something he knew nothing about as simply the flu, you have upped the anti by alluding to the fact that if there are no deaths in Ireland f**k the rest, I am sure you are a lovely bigot.

Not going to answer question? But now I’m a bigot? You’re not well lad

Yip you have shown contempt to foreigners for years, now you couldn't give a rats arse how many are dying as Long as Ireland ok, let's sit it out like Brexit and you call me a dick, get a grip LAD. Btw your mystical power over Ireland won't protect them from this virus.

Still waiting on you’re answer to my question. Contempt for foreigners? Are you on drugs ? Foreign workers are required here because we’ve lazy cnuts from here who refuse to work.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Art Mc Crory’s Sofa on March 08, 2020, 09:59:35 PM
I know it wouldn’t achieve anything but I’d like to see everyone who said “it’s just the flu” bull whipped.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 10:01:32 PM
I know it wouldn’t achieve anything but I’d like to see everyone who said “it’s just the flu” bull whipped.

Bulls shouldn’t be whipped, that’s animal cruelty  ;)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Art Mc Crory’s Sofa on March 08, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
I know it wouldn’t achieve anything but I’d like to see everyone who said “it’s just the flu” bull whipped.

Bulls shouldn’t be whipped, that’s animal cruelty  ;)

Yeah I’m not advocating bulls being whipped just people who don’t give a f**k about a virus that’s killing thousands of people.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 10:13:26 PM
I know it wouldn’t achieve anything but I’d like to see everyone who said “it’s just the flu” bull whipped.

Bulls shouldn’t be whipped, that’s animal cruelty  ;)

Yeah I’m not advocating bulls being whipped just people who don’t give a f**k about a virus that’s killing thousands of people.

Im just asking. I haven’t said this isn’t real. The rates in Italy are frightening but also the facts show that in England alone 6500 people died last year of just flu. No other reason. When, and it will escalate, it’s not in our control. I’ll deal with it when it happens. You or I can only control what we can. Closing airports and countries won’t happen
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on March 08, 2020, 10:21:39 PM
I know it wouldn’t achieve anything but I’d like to see everyone who said “it’s just the flu” bull whipped.

Bulls shouldn’t be whipped, that’s animal cruelty  ;)

Yeah I’m not advocating bulls being whipped just people who don’t give a f**k about a virus that’s killing thousands of people.

Im just asking. I haven’t said this isn’t real. The rates in Italy are frightening but also the facts show that in England alone 6500 people died last year of just flu. No other reason. When, and it will escalate, it’s not in our control. I’ll deal with it when it happens. You or I can only control what we can. Closing airports and countries won’t happen

2 weeks ago Italy had fewer cases than the UK has now. Within the next week or 2 the UK and Ireland will have thousands of cases and the health service will be at breaking point. This is already deadly serious and will get much more so in a short time.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?

Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick

Pathetic response, getoverthebar deemed something he knew nothing about as simply the flu, you have upped the anti by alluding to the fact that if there are no deaths in Ireland f**k the rest, I am sure you are a lovely bigot.

Not going to answer question? But now I’m a bigot? You’re not well lad

Yip you have shown contempt to foreigners for years, now you couldn't give a rats arse how many are dying as Long as Ireland ok, let's sit it out like Brexit and you call me a dick, get a grip LAD. Btw your mystical power over Ireland won't protect them from this virus.

Still waiting on you’re answer to my question. Contempt for foreigners? Are you on drugs ? Foreign workers are required here because we’ve lazy cnuts from here who refuse to work.

Answer on Google,loads of Italians here this weekend, you obviously couldn't give a flying one about anyone but yourself.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 10:27:18 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?

Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick

Pathetic response, getoverthebar deemed something he knew nothing about as simply the flu, you have upped the anti by alluding to the fact that if there are no deaths in Ireland f**k the rest, I am sure you are a lovely bigot.

Not going to answer question? But now I’m a bigot? You’re not well lad

Yip you have shown contempt to foreigners for years, now you couldn't give a rats arse how many are dying as Long as Ireland ok, let's sit it out like Brexit and you call me a dick, get a grip LAD. Btw your mystical power over Ireland won't protect them from this virus.

Still waiting on you’re answer to my question. Contempt for foreigners? Are you on drugs ? Foreign workers are required here because we’ve lazy cnuts from here who refuse to work.

Answer on Google,loads of Italians here this weekend, you obviously couldn't give a flying one about anyone but yourself.

Just tell me, ya knob
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trileacman on March 08, 2020, 10:30:15 PM
Im just asking. I haven’t said this isn’t real. The rates in Italy are frightening but also the facts show that in England alone 6500 people died last year of just flu. No other reason. When, and it will escalate, it’s not in our control. I’ll deal with it when it happens. You or I can only control what we can. Closing airports and countries won’t happen

That's plainly wrong. We can quarantine, buy time, create a vaccine. Make and produce ventilators, prepare ICU units. Cancel large scale meetings of people.

Sitting with your hands folded saying "there's nothing we can do" is simply wrong.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 10:33:37 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

So f**k you Jack I am ok.

Just answer the question dickhead

Oh petal hit a nerve, the world doesn't revolve around you.

So you’re not going to answer it? Ok then

Rest of humanity not count in your world?

Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick

Pathetic response, getoverthebar deemed something he knew nothing about as simply the flu, you have upped the anti by alluding to the fact that if there are no deaths in Ireland f**k the rest, I am sure you are a lovely bigot.

Not going to answer question? But now I’m a bigot? You’re not well lad

Yip you have shown contempt to foreigners for years, now you couldn't give a rats arse how many are dying as Long as Ireland ok, let's sit it out like Brexit and you call me a dick, get a grip LAD. Btw your mystical power over Ireland won't protect them from this virus.

Still waiting on you’re answer to my question. Contempt for foreigners? Are you on drugs ? Foreign workers are required here because we’ve lazy cnuts from here who refuse to work.

Answer on Google,loads of Italians here this weekend, you obviously couldn't give a flying one about anyone but yourself.

Just tell me, ya knob

You are playing a blinder, are you on the sauce or just a complete bigot? 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 08, 2020, 10:35:00 PM
Im just asking. I haven’t said this isn’t real. The rates in Italy are frightening but also the facts show that in England alone 6500 people died last year of just flu. No other reason. When, and it will escalate, it’s not in our control. I’ll deal with it when it happens. You or I can only control what we can. Closing airports and countries won’t happen

That's plainly wrong. We can quarantine, buy time, create a vaccine. Make and produce ventilators, prepare ICU units. Cancel large scale meetings of people.

Sitting with your hands folded saying "there's nothing we can do" is simply wrong.

He has a f**k you Jack I am ok, unfortunately there is a lot about so to rely on citizens like him puts everyone at risk.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 10:37:33 PM
Im just asking. I haven’t said this isn’t real. The rates in Italy are frightening but also the facts show that in England alone 6500 people died last year of just flu. No other reason. When, and it will escalate, it’s not in our control. I’ll deal with it when it happens. You or I can only control what we can. Closing airports and countries won’t happen

That's plainly wrong. We can quarantine, buy time, create a vaccine. Make and produce ventilators, prepare ICU units. Cancel large scale meetings of people.

Sitting with your hands folded saying "there's nothing we can do" is simply wrong.

Vaccines won’t happen next week, and the other stuff you’ve mentioned won’t happen either, incompetent governments worldwide have created this virus in the first place.

Economically it will cripple Ireland should we close the borders. Use common sense and we’ll try and manage a uncontrollable situation. There will be deaths but your measures won’t stop it getting here
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on March 08, 2020, 10:42:39 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

The first case in Ireland was confirmed 10 days ago.

Already we 28 cases on the island, with one man seriously ill in intensive care. He may die.

This is clearly trending in the same direction here as elsewhere. Countries where hundreds have died in the space of a few weeks.

I can't understand why some remain so resolutely flippant and dismissive of this crisis. Are they trolling? Or are they just as dangerous thick as it seems?

This thickness would be funny if it wasn't so serious. And it's serious because what people do next matters.

It's the difference between washing your hands properly, or thinking you don't have to bother. It's the difference between working from home, or heading into the office with your 'head cold' and developing cough. It's the difference between sitting at home waiting for the result of a diagnostic test, or going to play a game of reserve soccer and potentially exposing dozens to the virus.

It's the difference in the slowing the spread of the virus until some additional medical facilities can be made available that will save the lives of people you know, or the virus spreading unabated and killing some of your neighbours/ friends/ family members.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 10:51:19 PM
Look it is what it is, we all have someone close to us (both parents for me) that fall into the bracket of vulnerability to catching and (heaven forbid) succumbing to a deadly virus earlier than expected, but the doomsday’s carry on at the minute is out of or control, let’s see it out, bit like brexit  ;)

Didn't realise brexit was killing folk by the hour.

By the hour? How many weeks now? Christmas was 3 months ago? Death rate in Ireland is?

The first case in Ireland was confirmed 10 days ago.

Already we 28 cases on the island, with one man seriously ill in intensive care. He may die.

This is clearly trending in the same direction here as elsewhere. Countries where hundreds have died in the space of a few weeks.

I can't understand why some remain so resolutely flippant and dismissive of this crisis. Are they trolling? Or are they just as dangerous thick as it seems?

This thickness would be funny if it wasn't so serious. And it's serious because what people do next matters.

It's the difference between washing your hands properly, or thinking you don't have to bother. It's the difference between working from home, or heading into the office with your 'head cold' and developing cough. It's the difference between sitting at home waiting for the result of a diagnostic test, or going to play a game of reserve soccer and potentially exposing dozens to the virus.

It's the difference in the slowing the spread of the virus until some additional medical facilities can be made available that will save the lives of people you know, or the virus spreading unabated and killing some of your neighbours/ friends/ family members.

I thought it happened in Ireland before ten days ago. 27th of February

A friend of mine is a big wig in Randox they’ve been producing test kits these last two weeks worldwide, they might even close down other parts of their manufacturing to produce these kits.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trileacman on March 08, 2020, 11:04:34 PM
Im just asking. I haven’t said this isn’t real. The rates in Italy are frightening but also the facts show that in England alone 6500 people died last year of just flu. No other reason. When, and it will escalate, it’s not in our control. I’ll deal with it when it happens. You or I can only control what we can. Closing airports and countries won’t happen

That's plainly wrong. We can quarantine, buy time, create a vaccine. Make and produce ventilators, prepare ICU units. Cancel large scale meetings of people.

Sitting with your hands folded saying "there's nothing we can do" is simply wrong.

Vaccines won’t happen next week, and the other stuff you’ve mentioned won’t happen either, incompetent governments worldwide have created this virus in the first place.

Economically it will cripple Ireland should we close the borders. Use common sense and we’ll try and manage a uncontrollable situation. There will be deaths but your measures won’t stop it getting here
We don't need a vaccine as quick as next week. It's highly conceivable to construct and test a vaccine inside a period of 3-4 months, the flu vaccine is seasonally adjusted every 12 months in response to recombination of the surface proteins.

It's no wonder the governments are incompetent when some people in the general population are equally as incompetent. Tell me, at what death rate would you consider it acceptable to take measures to prevent dissemination of infection even if it economically affected Ireland? What figure would you put on the economic contraction should we decide to close the borders?

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 11:16:53 PM
One, one death wouldn’t be acceptable (out of your control btw) but you’re making stuff up about vaccines within three months, if companies can make tests kits for this virus they’ll be busting their eye string to produce a vaccine, not available, minimum for a year (based on approvals) properly, providing it doesn’t mutate, that’s from a manager in Randox, they are working on it but nothing until they actually understand it.

Giving off to me won’t stop it, I’m actively using the right procedures every day, my livelihood depends on it.

So again, how many deaths (in comparison to normal flu, which this isn’t,this is far worse) in Ireland do we have? Predictions will be higher I’d assume
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 08, 2020, 11:20:25 PM
You can talk about measures all you want lads but the chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link...

Some **** gets tested for the Coronavirus travels to an away game and plays for his team all the while in contact with other people then that evening comes out and tells everyone he has the virus !!!

Yes it’s a huge problem and yes we should do what we can to mitigate it but I think at this stage it’s far too early to shut everything down let’s see how this develops and take appropriate actions when needed rushing to shut the place down could do massive long term damage to people’s jobs and livelihoods who may not even be affected by the virus
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 08, 2020, 11:27:49 PM
You can talk about measures all you want lads but the chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link...

Some **** gets tested for the Coronavirus travels to an away game and plays for his team all the while in contact with other people then that evening comes out and tells everyone he has the virus !!!

Yes it’s a huge problem and yes we should do what we can to mitigate it but I think at this stage it’s far too early to shut everything down let’s see how this develops and take appropriate actions when needed rushing to shut the place down could do massive long term damage to people’s jobs and livelihoods who may not even be affected by the virus

Dint have to shut everything down but we should stop flights to Itsly, we should postpone paddys day. These are no brainers.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 08, 2020, 11:33:28 PM
Here, would you advise on whether a bottle of hand sanitizer is really needed?  I know soap and water is advised too but was thinking if you’re out and about.

When to use it, and how often etc?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 11:36:53 PM
You can talk about measures all you want lads but the chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link...

Some **** gets tested for the Coronavirus travels to an away game and plays for his team all the while in contact with other people then that evening comes out and tells everyone he has the virus !!!

Yes it’s a huge problem and yes we should do what we can to mitigate it but I think at this stage it’s far too early to shut everything down let’s see how this develops and take appropriate actions when needed rushing to shut the place down could do massive long term damage to people’s jobs and livelihoods who may not even be affected by the virus

Dint have to shut everything down but we should stop flights to Itsly, we should postpone paddys day. These are no brainers.

How many events has there been in Ireland since the first case in the north was diagnosed? And since we’ve known about the virus, how many flights/boats have been stopped going to Britain and beyond? None, postpone Paddy’s day! f**k I’ve heard it now! Next you’ll be stopping Mother’s Day.

As for the sanitizer, unless it’s 70% alcohol it’s useless. And only useful if you use it correctly! We touch our face 30 times an hour! Try changing that routine
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on March 08, 2020, 11:37:46 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-japan-bar-crawl-spread-gamagori-a9384541.html?amp

Some people...
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2020, 11:43:09 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-japan-bar-crawl-spread-gamagori-a9384541.html?amp

Some people...

Seen a video of people spitting on buttons in a lift and sneezing on purpose in a lift, purposely  spreading the virus. Some People are cnuts
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 08, 2020, 11:55:27 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-japan-bar-crawl-spread-gamagori-a9384541.html?amp

Some people...

Seen a video of people spitting on buttons in a lift and sneezing on purpose in a lift, purposely  spreading the virus. Some People are cnuts

This sort of thing happened in Singapore. The culprits probably regret their action since the police took their DNA off the buttons and arrested them.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 09, 2020, 12:00:44 AM
You can talk about measures all you want lads but the chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link...

Some **** gets tested for the Coronavirus travels to an away game and plays for his team all the while in contact with other people then that evening comes out and tells everyone he has the virus !!!

Yes it’s a huge problem and yes we should do what we can to mitigate it but I think at this stage it’s far too early to shut everything down let’s see how this develops and take appropriate actions when needed rushing to shut the place down could do massive long term damage to people’s jobs and livelihoods who may not even be affected by the virus

Dint have to shut everything down but we should stop flights to Itsly, we should postpone paddys day. These are no brainers.

How many events has there been in Ireland since the first case in the north was diagnosed? And since we’ve known about the virus, how many flights/boats have been stopped going to Britain and beyond? None, postpone Paddy’s day! f**k I’ve heard it now! Next you’ll be stopping Mother’s Day.

As for the sanitizer, unless it’s 70% alcohol it’s useless. And only useful if you use it correctly! We touch our face 30 times an hour! Try changing that routine

You are being incredibly contrary. Paddys day is bringing shit loads of visitors from god knows where, its the same logic as why soccer games and rugby games have been postponed already. Large gatherings are a huge risk for one infected person infecting 100s more. The hand washing etc is correct of course but you cannot force people to do that, you can only educate and appeal to their better nature. But sure people like you will probably say what the point washing my hands if someone sneezes in my face, so I wont bother. Mothers day, wise up ta f**k will ya.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on March 09, 2020, 12:06:39 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-japan-bar-crawl-spread-gamagori-a9384541.html?amp

Some people...

Seen a video of people spitting on buttons in a lift and sneezing on purpose in a lift, purposely  spreading the virus. Some People are cnuts

This sort of thing happened in Singapore. The culprits probably regret their action since the police took their DNA off the buttons and arrested them.
Where  is the evidence that the man in Aichi had malicious intent?
What evidence does a lynch mob need ::)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 07:29:27 AM
Im just asking. I haven’t said this isn’t real. The rates in Italy are frightening but also the facts show that in England alone 6500 people died last year of just flu. No other reason. When, and it will escalate, it’s not in our control. I’ll deal with it when it happens. You or I can only control what we can. Closing airports and countries won’t happen

That's plainly wrong. We can quarantine, buy time, create a vaccine. Make and produce ventilators, prepare ICU units. Cancel large scale meetings of people.

Sitting with your hands folded saying "there's nothing we can do" is simply wrong.

Vaccines won’t happen next week, and the other stuff you’ve mentioned won’t happen either, incompetent governments worldwide have created this virus in the first place.

Economically it will cripple Ireland should we close the borders. Use common sense and we’ll try and manage a uncontrollable situation. There will be deaths but .... as long as it's not me

Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 07:30:46 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-japan-bar-crawl-spread-gamagori-a9384541.html?amp

Some people...

Seen a video of people spitting on buttons in a lift and sneezing on purpose in a lift, purposely  spreading the virus. Some People are cnuts

Takes one to know one I suppose.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 07:40:07 AM
You can talk about measures all you want lads but the chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link...

Some **** gets tested for the Coronavirus travels to an away game and plays for his team all the while in contact with other people then that evening comes out and tells everyone he has the virus !!!

Yes it’s a huge problem and yes we should do what we can to mitigate it but I think at this stage it’s far too early to shut everything down let’s see how this develops and take appropriate actions when needed rushing to shut the place down could do massive long term damage to people’s jobs and livelihoods who may not even be affected by the virus

Dint have to shut everything down but we should stop flights to Itsly, we should postpone paddys day. These are no brainers.

How many events has there been in Ireland since the first case in the north was diagnosed? And since we’ve known about the virus, how many flights/boats have been stopped going to Britain and beyond? None, postpone Paddy’s day! f**k I’ve heard it now! Next you’ll be stopping Mother’s Day.

As for the sanitizer, unless it’s 70% alcohol it’s useless. And only useful if you use it correctly! We touch our face 30 times an hour! Try changing that routine

You are being incredibly contrary. Paddys day is bringing shit loads of visitors from god knows where, its the same logic as why soccer games and rugby games have been postponed already. Large gatherings are a huge risk for one infected person infecting 100s more. The hand washing etc is correct of course but you cannot force people to do that, you can only educate and appeal to their better nature. But sure people like you will probably say what the point washing my hands if someone sneezes in my face, so I wont bother. Mothers day, wise up ta f**k will ya.

People like me who work with the vulnerable in the health sector are constantly using proper procedures daily, long before this virus.

How many sports events have been postponed? Italy v Ireland and the NHL games went ahead yesterday all the PL and soccer divisions played to packed audiences, either they postpone all or none.

Let’s see if they postpone the largest gathering of race goers on Tuesday. Mother’s Day was a joke wally ;)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 07:46:44 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-japan-bar-crawl-spread-gamagori-a9384541.html?amp

Some people...

Seen a video of people spitting on buttons in a lift and sneezing on purpose in a lift, purposely  spreading the virus. Some People are cnuts

Takes one to know one I suppose.

What was your last name in here? Possibly medical/mental  issues  I’d say.

It’s just a forum don’t get too wound up, none of it is serious, your views won’t change anything. Very aggressive as well, are you like that in real life?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 07:56:57 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-japan-bar-crawl-spread-gamagori-a9384541.html?amp

Some people...

Seen a video of people spitting on buttons in a lift and sneezing on purpose in a lift, purposely  spreading the virus. Some People are cnuts

Takes one to know one I suppose.

What was your last name in here? Possibly medical/mental  issues  I’d say.

It’s just a forum don’t get too wound up, none of it is serious, your views won’t change anything. Very aggressive as well, are you like that in real life?

Just answer the question dickhead


Still not answering? You trolled someone about the flu and now you’re avoiding a simple question? You’re a dick


Just tell me, ya knob

 ::)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 08:07:14 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-japan-bar-crawl-spread-gamagori-a9384541.html?amp

Some people...

Seen a video of people spitting on buttons in a lift and sneezing on purpose in a lift, purposely  spreading the virus. Some People are cnuts

Takes one to know one I suppose.

What was your last name in here? Possibly medical/mental  issues  I’d say.

It’s just a forum don’t get too wound up, none of it is serious, your views won’t change anything. Very aggressive as well, are you like that in real life?

Fair play to the lads that are brave enough to tell their stories. Must be like a rollercoaster at times. All different coping methods it seems and as long as they work for you then brilliant. Keep up the fight

But if you call me out on this forum I will use mental health as a way of belittling you, cause I am a lovely guy!   :o
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 09, 2020, 08:33:42 AM
You can talk about measures all you want lads but the chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link...

Some **** gets tested for the Coronavirus travels to an away game and plays for his team all the while in contact with other people then that evening comes out and tells everyone he has the virus !!!

Yes it’s a huge problem and yes we should do what we can to mitigate it but I think at this stage it’s far too early to shut everything down let’s see how this develops and take appropriate actions when needed rushing to shut the place down could do massive long term damage to people’s jobs and livelihoods who may not even be affected by the virus

Dint have to shut everything down but we should stop flights to Itsly, we should postpone paddys day. These are no brainers.

How many events has there been in Ireland since the first case in the north was diagnosed? And since we’ve known about the virus, how many flights/boats have been stopped going to Britain and beyond? None, postpone Paddy’s day! f**k I’ve heard it now! Next you’ll be stopping Mother’s Day.

As for the sanitizer, unless it’s 70% alcohol it’s useless. And only useful if you use it correctly! We touch our face 30 times an hour! Try changing that routine

You are being incredibly contrary. Paddys day is bringing shit loads of visitors from god knows where, its the same logic as why soccer games and rugby games have been postponed already. Large gatherings are a huge risk for one infected person infecting 100s more. The hand washing etc is correct of course but you cannot force people to do that, you can only educate and appeal to their better nature. But sure people like you will probably say what the point washing my hands if someone sneezes in my face, so I wont bother. Mothers day, wise up ta f**k will ya.

People like me who work with the vulnerable in the health sector are constantly using proper procedures daily, long before this virus.

How many sports events have been postponed? Italy v Ireland and the NHL games went ahead yesterday all the PL and soccer divisions played to packed audiences, either they postpone all or none.

Let’s see if they postpone the largest gathering of race goers on Tuesday. Mother’s Day was a joke wally ;)

People like who work in the health are notorious for not washing their hands. In fact go into your average hospital and you will normally not even see a place to wash your hands in warm water and soap, its all sanitisers which are not the best practice. Part of the reason that horrible virus's and vomiting bugs run wild in hospital is the poor hygiene there of the staff. However, if you were to work in the Medical Device Industry like me you would be washing your hands with special soaps and warm water every time you enter the manufacturing area and you would be sacked if you were caught not doing it.

No, they probably wont cancel these events but that means they are more worried about their pockets and the economy rather than the old people you look after.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 08:55:28 AM
Trust me in my line of work it’s being done, and being done properly for years. But sure you know I’m not  ::)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 09, 2020, 10:00:42 AM
Was in Germany at the weekend.

They are paying little to no heed to this. No screening. You declare yourself if you've been to wherever. No flights stopped from Italy (from looking at Arrivals etc)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on March 09, 2020, 10:54:21 AM
Good website here with plenty of breakdowns on the details:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Age of Coronavirus Deaths
COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

AGE
DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
DEATH RATE
all cases
80+ years old
21.9%
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%
40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old   
no fatalities
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 09, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
Trust me in my line of work it’s being done, and being done properly for years. But sure you know I’m not  ::)

I've a lot of respect for the nurses and doctors that work under great pressure to help people. All I am saying is that the general level of hygiene in hospitals I have been too is poor. I have a relative in a general ward, you walk in and there is only a hand sanitisers, more often than not it is empty. There is no sink to wash your hands other than in the toilets. I see staff move from one patient to another without changing gloves. This is how disease spreads as you well know yourself. So my point is, I would not be holding up your average hospital as being a shining light on hygiene although I am sure there are departments like ICU that are much better than others.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 11:24:53 AM
Trust me in my line of work it’s being done, and being done properly for years. But sure you know I’m not  ::)

I've a lot of respect for the nurses and doctors that work under great pressure to help people. All I am saying is that the general level of hygiene in hospitals I have been too is poor. I have a relative in a general ward, you walk in and there is only a hand sanitisers, more often than not it is empty. There is no sink to wash your hands other than in the toilets. I see staff move from one patient to another without changing gloves. This is how disease spreads as you well know yourself. So my point is, I would not be holding up your average hospital as being a shining light on hygiene although I am sure there are departments like ICU that are much better than others.

I suspect that like many aspects of Irish healthcare there is considerable variation in the system, some hospitals or departments are scrupulous about hygiene, some less so. One good thing now is that there are inspections and this has helped.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
Trust me in my line of work it’s being done, and being done properly for years. But sure you know I’m not  ::)

I've a lot of respect for the nurses and doctors that work under great pressure to help people. All I am saying is that the general level of hygiene in hospitals I have been too is poor. I have a relative in a general ward, you walk in and there is only a hand sanitisers, more often than not it is empty. There is no sink to wash your hands other than in the toilets. I see staff move from one patient to another without changing gloves. This is how disease spreads as you well know yourself. So my point is, I would not be holding up your average hospital as being a shining light on hygiene although I am sure there are departments like ICU that are much better than others.

Yes and that’s the case where it’s not possible to have all those measures, for myself I’ve my own consultation room with wash sink, and for past 6 years since being here followed the procedure or you could lose your job!

It’s routine, people are not in a routine unfortunately.

Control your own environment, if that’s me being ‘I’m alright jack’ then fine but if we all did our own things we’d lessen the spread.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 09, 2020, 11:34:38 AM
Ah now we are at the nub of it, basically, it’s always someone else’s fault.

No.

Its blindingly obvious that in this case, the actions of any individual can only do so much.


Ireland (and the rest of UK) is in the fortunate position of being island large enough to be largely self-sufficient, yet small enough that closing borders was a realistic option. Then, after a few weeks to understand the situation and establish infrastructure & procedures, a small and very controlled amount of people could have been let through, with strict quarantine measures in place.

By keeping the existence of the virus to the border entry points only, the burden on health could be managed. NHS/HSE under too much strain? Reduce the flux through the borders.


That would have had a lower impact on the economy than the massive disruption this will cause on a large scale... unless you think the Italian economy is working full steam this week?


Unfortunately, that option was not considered in time. In another 6-8 weeks, I'll reckon they wish they could turn back time and make a different decision.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 09, 2020, 12:44:47 PM
There's a real doomsday outlook with some people. There's 110k cases worldwide out of 6 billion people. Yes take precautions, wash your hands, self isolate etc but just a small bit of perspective would help as well.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on March 09, 2020, 12:45:19 PM
Anyone hear anything about that footballer who tested positive? A few different stories doing the rounds.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 12:45:49 PM
Kids heading off to Amsterdam next weekend, schools sports trip, as of yet no indication that the trip will be cancelled, they are taking information from  government advice on travelling and they are happy enough to go ahead.

I mentioned about the experts we have on this site but they have just waved it off (I jest of course)

The money isn't an issue, their health and that of the others that they would be contact with family wise would be my concern, the only thing i got from a website that i googled on travelling to Holland was don't be buying cocaine!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 09, 2020, 12:48:55 PM
Kids heading off to Amsterdam next weekend, schools sports trip, as of yet no indication that the trip will be cancelled, they are taking information from  government advice on travelling and they are happy enough to go ahead.

Danger is probably more passing through the airports than in Holland.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 12:52:47 PM
Kids heading off to Amsterdam next weekend, schools sports trip, as of yet no indication that the trip will be cancelled, they are taking information from  government advice on travelling and they are happy enough to go ahead.

Danger is probably more passing through the airports than in Holland.

My thoughts exactly, they are heading off with 72% alcohol based Purell hand rub, no masks!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 09, 2020, 12:53:57 PM
There's a real doomsday outlook with some people. There's 110k cases worldwide out of 6 billion people. Yes take precautions, wash your hands, self isolate etc but just a small bit of perspective would help as well.

I hope you are right but my fear is that the infection is exponential, you can carry it for 14 days I believe without symptoms. I would be very surprised if the 110k is not at 1 million cases in 2 weeks time.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 09, 2020, 12:56:07 PM
There's 110k cases worldwide out of 6 billion people. Yes take precautions, wash your hands, self isolate etc but just a small bit of perspective would help as well.

I know numbers are not your strong point, so I'll try and make this simple.


Within Italy, there have been 622 recoveries and 366 dead. nDead/(nDead+nRecovered) =  37% death rate, but that number is overly pessimistic.

In the same way taking the overall number of cases (7375) and dividing number of dead by that, i.e. 366/7375 = 5% is overly optimistic.



Even for simple minds, a death rate somewhere between 5% and 37% should be cause for them to shut up and think for a minute or two before going on about "just the flu", "perspective", "hasn't killed as many as"...

Its far more deadly than the flu, it hasn't spread out yet, if drastic action isn't taken it will and it will then "kill many more than"...
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 09, 2020, 12:57:09 PM
Kids heading off to Amsterdam next weekend, schools sports trip, as of yet no indication that the trip will be cancelled, they are taking information from  government advice on travelling and they are happy enough to go ahead.

I mentioned about the experts we have on this site but they have just waved it off (I jest of course)

The money isn't an issue, their health and that of the others that they would be contact with family wise would be my concern, the only thing i got from a website that i googled on travelling to Holland was don't be buying cocaine!

There is plenty of schools round my way meant to be heading to Northern Italy in the next month or two. The schools are saying they are going - think there is a bit of brinksmanship going on, if the school pull it, it's loss of money. If the Govt. pull it they are going to be covered. Will be interesting to see what they do.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 09, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
Age of Coronavirus Deaths
COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).

That is completely incorrect as it assumes that everyone currently affected by the virus that has not yet died, won't die.


nDead/(nDead+nRecovered) is not right either - as there is a time period between "point-nearest-death" and discharged as recovered that the recovering patient won't contribute to nRecovered, but dying patients will add onto nDead.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 09, 2020, 01:00:42 PM
There is plenty of schools round my way meant to be heading to Northern Italy in the next month or two. The schools are saying they are going - think there is a bit of brinksmanship going on, if the school pull it, it's loss of money. If the Govt. pull it they are going to be covered. Will be interesting to see what they do.

Government looking out for its citizens big businesses as usual
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 01:15:52 PM
There is plenty of schools round my way meant to be heading to Northern Italy in the next month or two. The schools are saying they are going - think there is a bit of brinksmanship going on, if the school pull it, it's loss of money. If the Govt. pull it they are going to be covered. Will be interesting to see what they do.

Government looking out for its citizens big businesses as usual

Personally I’d not be sending my kids to northern Italy. Not only would it be reckless but the implications further down the road for me could affect co workers wages!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on March 09, 2020, 01:26:45 PM
There is plenty of schools round my way meant to be heading to Northern Italy in the next month or two. The schools are saying they are going - think there is a bit of brinksmanship going on, if the school pull it, it's loss of money. If the Govt. pull it they are going to be covered. Will be interesting to see what they do.

Government looking out for its citizens big businesses as usual


Personally I’d not be sending my kids to northern Italy. Not only would it be reckless but the implications further down the road for me could affect co workers wages!

I though Northern Italy was basically under lock down at the moment.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 01:32:26 PM
There is plenty of schools round my way meant to be heading to Northern Italy in the next month or two. The schools are saying they are going - think there is a bit of brinksmanship going on, if the school pull it, it's loss of money. If the Govt. pull it they are going to be covered. Will be interesting to see what they do.

Government looking out for its citizens big businesses as usual


Personally I’d not be sending my kids to northern Italy. Not only would it be reckless but the implications further down the road for me could affect co workers wages!

I though Northern Italy was basically under lock down at the moment.

Nope my child due to go Saturday fly into Milan, travel company says going ahead so 50 kids parents have to decide not to send, all about the money!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on March 09, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
Age of Coronavirus Deaths
COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).

That is completely incorrect as it assumes that everyone currently affected by the virus that has not yet died, won't die.


nDead/(nDead+nRecovered) is not right either - as there is a time period between "point-nearest-death" and discharged as recovered that the recovering patient won't contribute to nRecovered, but dying patients will add onto nDead.

All the % figures have to be taken with a pinch of salt. There's an unquantifiable amount of people who have contracted the virus and have only had minor symptoms so they've never been diagnosed.

My relative in a UK hospital said they've had a planning meeting re how they'll operate when 1/3rd of staff are unavailable.
They really don't want school closures as that will mean a lot of staff having to stay home and mind kids.
He said that it's in poo, so again more on the handwashing being so important.
Reckons too that there have been cases in western European universities where people working on a cure have inadvertently being infected by the samples they are working on. Wouldn't say where!


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: NAG1 on March 09, 2020, 02:07:49 PM
There is plenty of schools round my way meant to be heading to Northern Italy in the next month or two. The schools are saying they are going - think there is a bit of brinksmanship going on, if the school pull it, it's loss of money. If the Govt. pull it they are going to be covered. Will be interesting to see what they do.

Government looking out for its citizens big businesses as usual


Personally I’d not be sending my kids to northern Italy. Not only would it be reckless but the implications further down the road for me could affect co workers wages!

I though Northern Italy was basically under lock down at the moment.

Nope my child due to go Saturday fly into Milan, travel company says going ahead so 50 kids parents have to decide not to send, all about the money!

Apparently until the government say not to travel to a certain area, then insurance won't pay out on cancelled or changed travel plans.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 09, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Age of Coronavirus Deaths
COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).

That is completely incorrect as it assumes that everyone currently affected by the virus that has not yet died, won't die.


nDead/(nDead+nRecovered) is not right either - as there is a time period between "point-nearest-death" and discharged as recovered that the recovering patient won't contribute to nRecovered, but dying patients will add onto nDead.

All the % figures have to be taken with a pinch of salt. There's an unquantifiable amount of people who have contracted the virus and have only had minor symptoms so they've never been diagnosed.

That is true, and unfortunately its a double edge sword*.

Usually said figures are used for putting in context the argument of "its the same as the flu" - in which case the same yardstick applies to it - many go undiagnosed and not part of statistics as they present as very minor symptoms.


*If its a large number of people undiagnosed, then that means mortality rate is lower = good. But it also means many more unsuspecting carriers spreading it around to vulnerable folks. If its a small number of people undiagnosed, then that means mortality rate is higher = bad.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Art Mc Crory’s Sofa on March 09, 2020, 02:10:20 PM
Have heard from a health care worker that due to the pressure on icu in Italy that they’re implementing a triage system. Effectively that means everyone above a certain age or with a complicating factor is denied access to ICU and left to fight the disease themselves on a side ward. The vast majority of these patients will invariably die.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 09, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
Apparently until the government say not to travel to a certain area, then insurance won't pay out on cancelled or changed travel plans.

Indeed.

So just why are the government so reluctant to take the action that would stop the virus coming back en-mass to schools via trips?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 02:24:21 PM
Apparently until the government say not to travel to a certain area, then insurance won't pay out on cancelled or changed travel plans.

Indeed.

So just why are the government so reluctant to take the action that would stop the virus coming back en-mass to schools via trips?

Money - when money is involved nothing else matters!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 02:30:45 PM
Apparently until the government say not to travel to a certain area, then insurance won't pay out on cancelled or changed travel plans.

Indeed.

So just why are the government so reluctant to take the action that would stop the virus coming back en-mass to schools via trips?

Money - when money is involved nothing else matters!

Yup!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: thebuzz on March 09, 2020, 02:35:51 PM
Age of Coronavirus Deaths
COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).

That is completely incorrect as it assumes that everyone currently affected by the virus that has not yet died, won't die.


nDead/(nDead+nRecovered) is not right either - as there is a time period between "point-nearest-death" and discharged as recovered that the recovering patient won't contribute to nRecovered, but dying patients will add onto nDead.

All the % figures have to be taken with a pinch of salt. There's an unquantifiable amount of people who have contracted the virus and have only had minor symptoms so they've never been diagnosed.

My relative in a UK hospital said they've had a planning meeting re how they'll operate when 1/3rd of staff are unavailable.
They really don't want school closures as that will mean a lot of staff having to stay home and mind kids.
He said that it's in poo, so again more on the handwashing being so important.
Reckons too that there have been cases in western European universities where people working on a cure have inadvertently being infected by the samples they are working on. Wouldn't say where!

Hound the main method of transmission is most definitely not via poo.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 02:35:56 PM
Firstly, the ski resorts in the locked down area of Italy as closed, so you cannot go there. Resorts near the French and Austrian borders are in less affected areas.
People have to exercise responsibility, just because you paid for it doesn't mean you have to go.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 09, 2020, 02:46:34 PM
Dublin St Patricks Day Parade cancelled
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 02:50:54 PM
Dublin St Patricks Day Parade cancelled

The issue with this is that if you cancel a parade with x number of people at it, not Dublin but a smaller place, then how can you justify having games with x attending or other big events?

In reality the parade was less dangerous than the pubs.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on March 09, 2020, 03:08:56 PM
Age of Coronavirus Deaths
COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).

That is completely incorrect as it assumes that everyone currently affected by the virus that has not yet died, won't die.


nDead/(nDead+nRecovered) is not right either - as there is a time period between "point-nearest-death" and discharged as recovered that the recovering patient won't contribute to nRecovered, but dying patients will add onto nDead.

All the % figures have to be taken with a pinch of salt. There's an unquantifiable amount of people who have contracted the virus and have only had minor symptoms so they've never been diagnosed.

My relative in a UK hospital said they've had a planning meeting re how they'll operate when 1/3rd of staff are unavailable.
They really don't want school closures as that will mean a lot of staff having to stay home and mind kids.
He said that it's in poo, so again more on the handwashing being so important.
Reckons too that there have been cases in western European universities where people working on a cure have inadvertently being infected by the samples they are working on. Wouldn't say where!

Hound the main method of transmission is most definitely not via poo.
I never said it was the main method! Everyone already knows the main method is via coughing and sneezing.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 03:10:15 PM
Dublin St Patricks Day Parade cancelled

The issue with this is that if you cancel a parade with x number of people at it, not Dublin but a smaller place, then how can you justify having games with x attending or other big events?

In reality the parade was less dangerous than the pubs.

Games are fixed for Croke Park next weekend, Antrim playing Kerry in league final! huge game for both teams, no doubt a big enough crowd form both counties and neutrals heading to Croke, now they'll all be mingling around the pubs and cafes and travelling down/up in buses .

Do we cancel it?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 03:16:40 PM
Won’t those pesky foreigners coming for St Patrick’s Day, still come anyway? I’d imagine they’ve booked months in advance and will probably lose their money, which I’d imagine is quite a bit! (If coming from the US, Canada etc)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 03:17:33 PM
Firstly, the ski resorts in the locked down area of Italy as closed, so you cannot go there. Resorts near the French and Austrian borders are in less affected areas.
People have to exercise responsibility, just because you paid for it doesn't mean you have to go.

What about travel agencies and governments exercising responsibility, what's the point of flying in somewhere and not been able to go to your resort, fact is if flights are allowed in travel agencies don't have to facilitate refunds, it's all about money. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on March 09, 2020, 03:19:19 PM
I see Trump has gone the "it's not as bad as flu" route with his latest tweet

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 09, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
Dublin St Patricks Day Parade cancelled

The issue with this is that if you cancel a parade with x number of people at it, not Dublin but a smaller place, then how can you justify having games with x attending or other big events?

In reality the parade was less dangerous than the pubs.

Games are fixed for Croke Park next weekend, Antrim playing Kerry in league final! huge game for both teams, no doubt a big enough crowd form both counties and neutrals heading to Croke, now they'll all be mingling around the pubs and cafes and travelling down/up in buses .

Do we cancel it?

The GAA will be under pressure to be seen to be doing something. But it's their stadium, their event. Can/Do/Will the Government influence the GAA?

The NFL finals are due at the end of the month, you are talking 30-40k people there. That is big money for Dublin in March especially now with the St Patricks Day cancellations.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 03:32:32 PM
Firstly, the ski resorts in the locked down area of Italy as closed, so you cannot go there. Resorts near the French and Austrian borders are in less affected areas.
People have to exercise responsibility, just because you paid for it doesn't mean you have to go.

What about travel agencies and governments exercising responsibility, what's the point of flying in somewhere and not been able to go to your resort, fact is if flights are allowed in travel agencies don't have to facilitate refunds, it's all about money.

Whatever about governments, travel agents are a business, their job is to make arrangements not decide whether you should go.
There is a set of places between those the government says "don't go, whoever you are" and those places where it is appropriate to go at present. It isn't quite black and whate.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 03:35:56 PM
Firstly, the ski resorts in the locked down area of Italy as closed, so you cannot go there. Resorts near the French and Austrian borders are in less affected areas.
People have to exercise responsibility, just because you paid for it doesn't mean you have to go.

What about travel agencies and governments exercising responsibility, what's the point of flying in somewhere and not been able to go to your resort, fact is if flights are allowed in travel agencies don't have to facilitate refunds, it's all about money.

Whatever about governments, travel agents are a business, their job is to make arrangements not decide whether you should go.
There is a set of places between those the government says "don't go, whoever you are" and those places where it is appropriate to go at present. It isn't quite black and whate.

My child's school spoke to 9 public health and education authorities, no one will make a decision, it's unfair that the principal in the end will have to call it off.  Just heard a GAA player in a a northern club tested positive so in the end no one will probably escape.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: angermanagement on March 09, 2020, 03:37:39 PM
Belfast GAA club  in lock down as a precaution.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 03:38:55 PM

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 09, 2020, 03:55:42 PM
France v Ireland rugby off.

I am sensing there must be a big spike on the horizon as suddenly action is being taken.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 09, 2020, 04:01:05 PM
Belfast GAA club  in lock down as a precaution.

Block MR2 from the discussion.....
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 09, 2020, 04:06:44 PM
His contribution to date has been invaluable!  ::)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 09, 2020, 04:07:36 PM
Belfast GAA club  in lock down as a precaution.

Was a case in Queens wasn't there last week did I read correctly? Inevitable I suppose - could be some lads sister or brother, anything.. What is the club?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 09, 2020, 04:17:40 PM
Belfast GAA club  in lock down as a precaution.

Was a case in Queens wasn't there last week did I read correctly? Inevitable I suppose - could be some lads sister or brother, anything.. What is the club?

It was a girl. From Craigavon. Thats all I know. Had visited the library
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: general_lee on March 09, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
St galls
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 04:31:53 PM
Belfast GAA club  in lock down as a precaution.

Block MR2 from the discussion.....

Was told first thing this morning! But wouldn’t go further with it, I haven’t been in the club but we’ve taken measures to shut things down and stop all activities till further noticed, all the heath agency’s have been notified so we’ll follow their lead. That’s Paddy’s day cancelled
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: nearlymad on March 09, 2020, 04:45:23 PM
Belfast GAA club  in lock down as a precaution.

Block MR2 from the discussion.....

Was told first thing this morning! But wouldn’t go further with it, I haven’t been in the club but we’ve taken measures to shut things down and stop all activities till further noticed, all the heath agency’s have been notified so we’ll follow their lead. That’s Paddy’s day cancelled
Good decision by the Club.There's plenty of other watering holes for your St Paddys day
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 09, 2020, 04:52:43 PM
She's moving fast now.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: JimStynes on March 09, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Can you catch the virus twice?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 09, 2020, 05:09:17 PM
Can you catch the virus twice?

Yes.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Ambrose on March 09, 2020, 05:27:13 PM
She's moving fast now.

Two County Armagh schools have been closed for a deep clean after a student tested positive for coronavirus.
Newtownhamilton High School and primary school are both located on the same site in the town.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 05:41:55 PM
Good decision by the Club.There's plenty of other watering holes for your St Paddys day

What pub would allow a St Galls member in when they should in isolation?

Can you catch the virus twice?

Yes.

This is uncertain at present.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2020, 05:47:41 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/03/08/complacent-governments-will-torn-shreds-coronavirus-quake-reshapes/

"In this country, Brexit scarcely matters right now. Decimal points of GDP are irrelevant. Boris Johnson will be judged on whether or not his administration allows avoidable decimation of the elderly – and the not so elderly – and whether the National Health Service buckles in catastrophic institutional failure.

Korea has six times as many intensive care (ICU) beds per capita, and Germany four times as many. What we know so far from Lombardy is that 13pc of infected patients require ICU treatment, typically for two to three weeks. "

Most of the dead will be Tory voters.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 09, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Folks any advice for a tradesman/sole trader regarding health insurance. If I had to take say a couple of weeks off due to Corona virus (working in London), it's highly unlikely I'd get paid as not PAYE. My insurance doesn't seem to cover epidemics like this.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 09, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
Good decision by the Club.There's plenty of other watering holes for your St Paddys day

What pub would allow a St Galls member in when they should in isolation?

Can you catch the virus twice?

Yes.

This is uncertain at present.

There was a case was there not or is that unproven so far?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 09, 2020, 05:57:42 PM
Can you catch the virus twice?

Yes.

This is uncertain at present.

I think its been observed several times in China and also in Japan.

I believe current thinking is it doesn't infect the same way twice, but you can still get it twice. A google of that may turn up more.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 06:06:19 PM
Can you catch the virus twice?

Yes.

This is uncertain at present.

I think its been observed several times in China and also in Japan.

I believe current thinking is it doesn't infect the same way twice, but you can still get it twice. A google of that may turn up more.

It is suspected that some of these cases were people who hadn't fully recovered in the first place.
Better tests are needed.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on March 09, 2020, 06:06:26 PM
France v Ireland rugby off.

I am sensing there must be a big spike on the horizon as suddenly action is being taken.

Spanish cases have doubled in the last day, they're over 1000 now. It sounds like there's a big spike coming here.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 09, 2020, 06:06:48 PM
I'm New York for paddies. Advice lads
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 06:06:59 PM
Good decision by the Club.There's plenty of other watering holes for your St Paddys day

What pub would allow a St Galls member in when they should in isolation?

Can you catch the virus twice?

Yes.

This is uncertain at present.

You could have it and not have symptoms, the person wasn’t in the affected area, so self isolation wouldn’t have been necessary unless the symptoms were quick I’d assume.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Dire Ear on March 09, 2020, 06:12:37 PM
All kicking off now, I'd expect numbers to double and triple each day now for a while
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on March 09, 2020, 07:15:39 PM
I'm New York for paddies. Advice lads

Answered you in the other thread:

I'm for new york. What's people's thoughts with this virus?

Its just starting to ramp up here in NYC and given the cheek-to-jowel existence, the numbers will climb fairly rapidly. I wouldn't rule out the parade being cancelled yet.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 09, 2020, 07:21:32 PM
San Fran parade on Saturday is cancelled
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 09, 2020, 07:22:41 PM
I'm New York for paddies. Advice lads

Answered you in the other thread:

I'm for new york. What's people's thoughts with this virus?

Its just starting to ramp up here in NYC and given the cheek-to-jowel existence, the numbers will climb fairly rapidly. I wouldn't rule out the parade being cancelled yet.

Thanks
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 09, 2020, 07:49:59 PM
I'm New York for paddies. Advice lads

Is your ticket refundable? I wouldn't travel if I were you.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
I'm New York for paddies. Advice lads

Is your ticket refundable? I wouldn't travel if I were you.

This might be around the right colour


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on March 09, 2020, 08:03:19 PM
It's very confusing, I can't fathom how serious it all is . Quick question ,albeit it's a selfish one . In the construction sector we have a shitty enough pension we pay into every week , this also has a sick pay , we get so much per day for up to 50 days per year I think it is , if sites are forced to close would we be able to claim this ?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2020, 08:12:42 PM

https://twitter.com/silviast9/status/1236933818654896129


Silvia Stringhini

@silviast9


1/ I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen "here". The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there's little to be reassured of. #COVID19 #coronavirus

2/This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end "After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

3/ I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.

4/ I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activitieswere interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

5/ All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.

6/ I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

7/ The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.

8/ The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

9/ Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is"temporarily" put in crisis,

10/ the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

11/ Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.

12/ Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

13/ Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.

14/ The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?"

15/ Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can't save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.

16/ There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.

17/ Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can't go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.

18/ We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life a
d death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy."

20/ I finish by saying that I really don't understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there's no mask on sale anymore. We don't have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on March 09, 2020, 08:46:25 PM
Belfast st Patrick's day off now too. If the holylands could become a quarantined zone, that would be great.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on March 09, 2020, 08:56:06 PM
Italy has now officially taken the roads in.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 09:02:43 PM
It's very confusing, I can't fathom how serious it all is . Quick question ,albeit it's a selfish one . In the construction sector we have a shitty enough pension we pay into every week , this also has a sick pay , we get so much per day for up to 50 days per year I think it is , if sites are forced to close would we be able to claim this ?

Actually, construction is one area which might be able to carry on. A lot of the work is in the open air and people are not that close together and often already wear masks, gloves and goggles. Not the first to close, I would have thought.
Can't help on the question.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-whole-of-italy-to-be-put-on-lockdown-pm-announces-1.4197780?mode=amp

The whole of Italy is to be put under lockdown to deal with Coronavirus, the prime minister Giuseppe Conte announced on Monday.

He will move to extend restrictive measures on travel -- currently in force in the north -- throughout the rest of the country in a bid to limit the spread of the coronavirus after the number of cases soared by 25 per cent. He also said all public gatherings will be banned.

He said movement will be restricted all over Italy. He said the decision is needed to defend most fragile members of community. Mr Conte said people should not move other than for work and emergencies. He said sporting events including soccer matches will be suspended. Mr Conte said public transport will remain operational

Italy on Monday reported 463 deaths from the virus an increase of 97 from Sunday.

The extension comes after the government imposed a virtual lockdown at the weekend on the northern region of Lombardy and parts of neighbouring Veneto, Piedmont and Emilia-Romagna to try to slow the spread of the virus.

Deputy economy minister Antonio Misiani said the government might also consider a moratorium on companies’ payments of tax and welfare contributions.

Rome has already said it will pay self-employed workers in the areas worst hit by the virus €500 a month for the next three months to help make up for lost income

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: tintin25 on March 09, 2020, 09:31:39 PM
There'll be some amount swinging the lead now
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 09:38:21 PM
There'll be some amount swinging the lead now

Aye for 500 hundred a month you’ll be lording it!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2020, 10:01:06 PM
Can you catch the virus twice?

Yes.

This is uncertain at present.

I think its been observed several times in China and also in Japan.

I believe current thinking is it doesn't infect the same way twice, but you can still get it twice. A google of that may turn up more.

It is suspected that some of these cases were people who hadn't fully recovered in the first place.
Better tests are needed.
The Spanish flu in 1918 had a second wave
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 09, 2020, 10:05:55 PM
I'm New York for paddies. Advice lads

Is your ticket refundable? I wouldn't travel if I were you.

Not refundable unless govt advises against travel there apparently
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 09, 2020, 10:20:40 PM
I'm New York for paddies. Advice lads

Is your ticket refundable? I wouldn't travel if I were you.

Not refundable unless govt advises against travel there apparently

Anything from your insurance? 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: omagh_gael on March 09, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
What's the chances of the championship not going ahead this year? There will inevitably a lock down similar to Italy at some stage that could last for an unknown length of time. Surely this will effect sporting events for many months.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 09, 2020, 10:34:25 PM
I'm New York for paddies. Advice lads

Is your ticket refundable? I wouldn't travel if I were you.

Not refundable unless govt advises against travel there apparently

Anything from your insurance?

I only started to worry a bit today, I'll ring thrm tomorrow
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
What's the chances of the championship not going ahead this year? There will inevitably a lock down similar to Italy at some stage that could last for an unknown length of time. Surely this will effect sporting events for many months.
It depends on how fast the virus replicates.
The worse case scenario is 80% infected with 3% mortality.
If that happened the championship would be off.
National quarantine as in Italy is designed to slow down the replication of the virus and might only need a month or so.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
What's the chances of the championship not going ahead this year? There will inevitably a lock down similar to Italy at some stage that could last for an unknown length of time. Surely this will effect sporting events for many months.

Many months?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2020, 10:38:05 PM
Folks any advice for a tradesman/sole trader regarding health insurance. If I had to take say a couple of weeks off due to Corona virus (working in London), it's highly unlikely I'd get paid as not PAYE. My insurance doesn't seem to cover epidemics like this.
Governments are setting up schemes to compensate workers inconvenienced by the virus. The UK budget will probably address this

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-sick-pay-scheme-will-see-affected-receive-305-per-week-1.4197894
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Saffrongael on March 09, 2020, 10:39:28 PM
Halifax call centre in Belfast closed tomorrow for a deep clean
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on March 09, 2020, 10:49:07 PM
Can you catch the virus twice?

Yes.

This is uncertain at present.

I think its been observed several times in China and also in Japan.

I believe current thinking is it doesn't infect the same way twice, but you can still get it twice. A google of that may turn up more.

It is suspected that some of these cases were people who hadn't fully recovered in the first place.
Better tests are needed.
The Spanish flu in 1918 had a second wave

And a 3rd wave
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 10:50:31 PM
Halifax call centre in Belfast closed tomorrow for a deep clean

My place of work being closed for a day for a deep clean would have two benefits.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2020, 10:54:24 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/09/entire-country-italy-placed-quarantine-prime-minister-announces/

Slovakia announced that it was banning all cultural, sporting and other public events for two weeks to try to halt the spread of the virus, while Cyprus reported its first two cases.

2 weeks won't be enough. Not looking good for the 26th of March
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 10:59:05 PM
What's the chances of the championship not going ahead this year? There will inevitably a lock down similar to Italy at some stage that could last for an unknown length of time. Surely this will effect sporting events for many months.

Many months?

Nobody is quite sure, but many months seems very likely. In fact, many months would be a success as it would suggest that the numbers had been spread out enough to keep the health service afloat.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fionntamhnach on March 09, 2020, 11:03:06 PM
Ireland (and the rest of UK) is in the fortunate position of being island large enough to be largely self-sufficient, yet small enough that closing borders was a realistic option. Then, after a few weeks to understand the situation and establish infrastructure & procedures, a small and very controlled amount of people could have been let through, with strict quarantine measures in place.
First, "Ireland (and the rest of UK)"?  :o
Second, how does "largely self-sufficient" apply in the greater scheme of things here? For example, the UK cannot produce enough food to sufficiently feed its resident population and in fact hasn't been able to do so for nearly two centuries (at present it only produces around 55% of consumption) so rationing would almost certainly have to be brought in there. Does the shutting of border outlets work both ways, or just going in? How does potential urgent repatriation of Irish & British citizens be possibly accommodated, let alone those whom are outside the country on a short term basis when the announcement is made of the border being shut (e.g. Lorry drivers)? Is the closure effectively sealed, or is a limited amount of material & goods allowed to be imported (e.g. essential medical supplies that aren't manufactured locally)? Also, within the local context here, how does the border between NI & ROI be managed, and would there be restrictions on travel between NI & GB? The foot & mouth crises of 2001 would appear to suggest that significant action would be taken in both cases to restrict people's movement. That then falls on to knock-on effects that such decisions have at least in the short term on work & economic activity?

TBF it's unreasonable to expect a lot of concise, clear answers for such a scenario which has no clear direction as to how it might take. But it should still be reasonable to demonstrate what basic contingency measures should be in place.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 11:34:51 PM
Ireland (and the rest of UK) is in the fortunate position of being island large enough to be largely self-sufficient, yet small enough that closing borders was a realistic option. Then, after a few weeks to understand the situation and establish infrastructure & procedures, a small and very controlled amount of people could have been let through, with strict quarantine measures in place.
First, "Ireland (and the rest of UK)"?  :o
Second, how does "largely self-sufficient" apply in the greater scheme of things here? For example, the UK cannot produce enough food to sufficiently feed its resident population and in fact hasn't been able to do so for nearly two centuries (at present it only produces around 55% of consumption) so rationing would almost certainly have to be brought in there. Does the shutting of border outlets work both ways, or just going in? How does potential urgent repatriation of Irish & British citizens be possibly accommodated, let alone those whom are outside the country on a short term basis when the announcement is made of the border being shut (e.g. Lorry drivers)? Is the closure effectively sealed, or is a limited amount of material & goods allowed to be imported (e.g. essential medical supplies that aren't manufactured locally)? Also, within the local context here, how does the border between NI & ROI be managed, and would there be restrictions on travel between NI & GB? The foot & mouth crises of 2001 would appear to suggest that significant action would be taken in both cases to restrict people's movement. That then falls on to knock-on effects that such decisions have at least in the short term on work & economic activity?

TBF it's unreasonable to expect a lot of concise, clear answers for such a scenario which has no clear direction as to how it might take. But it should still be reasonable to demonstrate what basic contingency measures should be in place.and not just

I don't think controls on people arise directly either cross border or cross channel. Mingling of people will be discouraged within towns as much as  people coming from England. Unless there comes about a large difference in the spread of the disease in different places a person going from Dublin to Wexford is as dangerous as one going to Liverpool.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2020, 11:37:09 PM
London Marathon must be next to be cancelled
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 09, 2020, 11:50:27 PM
Time to set up quarantine centres and mandatory testing at airports and ports.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 09, 2020, 11:53:30 PM
Time to set up quarantine centres and mandatory testing at airports and ports.

Time to close pubs and discos.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 10, 2020, 12:09:36 AM
Japan quarantining arrivals from China and Korea

Israel banning all foreign arrivals for 2 weeks

Are we doing anything remotely like that?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: omagh_gael on March 10, 2020, 12:28:22 AM
What's the chances of the championship not going ahead this year? There will inevitably a lock down similar to Italy at some stage that could last for an unknown length of time. Surely this will effect sporting events for many months.

Many months?

Look at Hubei and China as a whole, still large swathes of forced/advised isolation. When will they begin to open up? Surely a big chance of a second wave at some point too with infections now coming into China from people travelling there from other parts of the world.

If this takes off close to the medium to worse case scenario then I could foresee things like large sporting events being impacted for many months.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 10, 2020, 12:40:50 AM
Formula 1 will be up the left, that's for sure.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 10, 2020, 12:43:40 AM
Formula 1 will be up the left, that's for sure.

Surely Euro 2020, Tokyo Olympics are in jeopardy?

As could the All Ireland championships.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2020, 05:48:10 AM
https://medium.com/@edwardnirenberg/sars-cov-2-and-the-lessons-we-have-to-learn-from-it-e2017fd5d3c
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on March 10, 2020, 07:35:31 AM
Japan quarantining arrivals from China and Korea

Israel banning all foreign arrivals for 2 weeks

Are we doing anything remotely like that?

Yes we are cancelling st Patrick's day parades and sending people into enclosed pubs instead
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 10, 2020, 07:47:49 AM
Japan quarantining arrivals from China and Korea

Israel banning all foreign arrivals for 2 weeks

Are we doing anything remotely like that?

Yes we are cancelling st Patrick's day parades and sending people into enclosed pubs instead
Although GAA still have a large event ongoing 1 mile from the cancelled parade: Under 20 semis in Croker.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 10, 2020, 08:35:53 AM
I thought Simon Coveney looked well shook last night on Claire Byrne live. Its like he only realised yesterday the shit storm at our doorstep. I am afraid the only sensible option now is basically to cancel everything - GAA, Soccer, Rugby, Concerts, Pubs etc. I see no point in waiting for it to get worse (inevitable) before doing these things. Why not do it now? This is how China has gotten things back in the right direction, why wouldn't we do it as a preventative act instead of a reactionary act.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: ardtole on March 10, 2020, 08:43:49 AM
I saw the start of claire Byrne last night and I got my eyes opened. It is worrying what the next 4/5 weeks could have in store for us.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 10, 2020, 08:47:13 AM
It really does defy belief that Cheltenham is going ahead.

Looks like Boris is going to wait as long as possible to take action in case it annoys his buddies in the City
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on March 10, 2020, 08:57:30 AM
What's the chances of the championship not going ahead this year? There will inevitably a lock down similar to Italy at some stage that could last for an unknown length of time. Surely this will effect sporting events for many months.

Many months?

It could be 12 months or more before there is a chance it will be gone.  Varadkar wasn't optimistic chatting yesterday, saying there could be 85,000 deaths in Ireland.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2020, 09:08:56 AM
Ah now we are at the nub of it, basically, it’s always someone else’s fault.

No.

Its blindingly obvious that in this case, the actions of any individual can only do so much.


Ireland (and the rest of UK) is in the fortunate position of being island large enough to be largely self-sufficient, yet small enough that closing borders was a realistic option. Then, after a few weeks to understand the situation and establish infrastructure & procedures, a small and very controlled amount of people could have been let through, with strict quarantine measures in place.

By keeping the existence of the virus to the border entry points only, the burden on health could be managed. NHS/HSE under too much strain? Reduce the flux through the borders.


That would have had a lower impact on the economy than the massive disruption this will cause on a large scale... unless you think the Italian economy is working full steam this week?


Unfortunately, that option was not considered in time. In another 6-8 weeks, I'll reckon they wish they could turn back time and make a different decision.

Utter nonsense.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 10, 2020, 09:11:45 AM
First, "Ireland (and the rest of UK)"?  :o

Clumsy way of saying these islands.

Second, how does "largely self-sufficient" apply in the greater scheme of things here? For example, the UK cannot produce enough food to sufficiently feed its resident population and in fact hasn't been able to do so for nearly two centuries (at present it only produces around 55% of consumption) so rationing would almost certainly have to be brought in there.

So be it. Would also fix the obesity problem!



Does the shutting of border outlets work both ways, or just going in?

Just going in, you can leave, but be aware that if you come back, your going through the same tight several week quarantine system.

How does potential urgent repatriation of Irish & British citizens be possibly accommodated, let alone those whom are outside the country on a short term basis when the announcement is made of the border being shut (e.g. Lorry drivers)?

Coming back from anywhere more than 200 miles from a known corona virus case and you are likely OK.

Any less and you are in quarantine.

If that means a bit of buffering before taking everyone back, so be it.


Is the closure effectively sealed, or is a limited amount of material & goods allowed to be imported (e.g. essential medical supplies that aren't manufactured locally)? Also, within the local context here, how does the border between NI & ROI be managed, and would there be restrictions on travel between NI & GB? The foot & mouth crises of 2001 would appear to suggest that significant action would be taken in both cases to restrict people's movement. That then falls on to knock-on effects that such decisions have at least in the short term on work & economic activity?

Goods are OK, they can sit for a period before moving on or the containers can be disinfected and I don't believe there are any known cases of transmission via goods yet.

A sealed good should be OK due to hygiene regulations on the source side.




The idea that even yesterday, the HSE was saying don't travel to parts of Northern Italy, but the rest is uncommented on is ludicrous. The idea that anyone coming back from continental Europe right now is not in isolation is madness. What on earth do they expect to happen?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 10, 2020, 09:13:14 AM
Utter nonsense.

Thanks for yet another valuable contribution there tinfoil hat.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on March 10, 2020, 09:24:13 AM
Ah now we are at the nub of it, basically, it’s always someone else’s fault.

No.

Its blindingly obvious that in this case, the actions of any individual can only do so much.


Ireland (and the rest of UK) is in the fortunate position of being island large enough to be largely self-sufficient, yet small enough that closing borders was a realistic option. Then, after a few weeks to understand the situation and establish infrastructure & procedures, a small and very controlled amount of people could have been let through, with strict quarantine measures in place.

By keeping the existence of the virus to the border entry points only, the burden on health could be managed. NHS/HSE under too much strain? Reduce the flux through the borders.


That would have had a lower impact on the economy than the massive disruption this will cause on a large scale... unless you think the Italian economy is working full steam this week?


Unfortunately, that option was not considered in time. In another 6-8 weeks, I'll reckon they wish they could turn back time and make a different decision.

Utter nonsense.

We should be locking down the country now as what Italy are currently doing. It will be too late doing it in 4-5 weeks.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 10, 2020, 09:27:43 AM
Now is the time to do it IMO. 4 or 5 weeks time and the horse has bolted.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 10, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
End of days stuff, the making of a great film.

Was talking to a fella yesterday, retired business man, said if Ireland locked down for 2/3 weeks the economy wouldn’t recover, he said the Germans would still be looking their money
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 10, 2020, 10:09:25 AM
It really does defy belief that Cheltenham is going ahead.

Looks like Boris is going to wait as long as possible to take action in case it annoys his buddies in the City

Yep and yep.

Thousands of Irish there and could bring it home. As well as everywhere else.

And yes, that’s it in a nutshell.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 10, 2020, 10:25:34 AM
It really is the worst possible prime minister for such a scenario.

(You could take the last 4 words away there too).
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-keep-watch-on-evolving-situation-as-fears-grow-for-league-1.4197786
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 10, 2020, 11:37:02 AM
End of days stuff, the making of a great film.

Was talking to a fella yesterday, retired business man, said if Ireland locked down for 2/3 weeks the economy wouldn’t recover, he said the Germans would still be looking their money

He was talking bollix. The economy will recover rightly. The Germans have the same problem.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on March 10, 2020, 11:40:08 AM
End of days stuff, the making of a great film.

Was talking to a fella yesterday, retired business man, said if Ireland locked down for 2/3 weeks the economy wouldn’t recover, he said the Germans would still be looking their money

He was talking bollix. The economy will recover rightly. The Germans have the same problem.
All the more reason for them to look for their money.

There are lots of people that the loss of 2 weeks earnings will put them under.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: highorlow on March 10, 2020, 11:41:39 AM
Appears that the life of this is 6 weeks.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2020, 11:50:37 AM
What keeps the economy going if the country shuts down for 4-6 weeks? I could work with 2 weeks self isolation. But if it is 4-6 weeks complete quarantine and our business stops what should I do? 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on March 10, 2020, 11:57:38 AM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2020, 11:59:42 AM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 10, 2020, 12:06:34 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 10, 2020, 12:07:44 PM
If they work at this then a full lockdown is not required. Singapore has not had a lockdown and has had cases since January.
This does not mean that individual businesses will not have huge problems, but the whole economy will not shut down.
There is every reason to close pubs, but every reason not to close food production, for instance.

But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

The welfare payment will cover food and the mortgage can be sorted in time. Borrowing money for cars is unwise and this is why.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on March 10, 2020, 12:10:31 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on March 10, 2020, 12:20:58 PM
Being surrounded by water should help surely, if we used stricter control of movement?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: blast05 on March 10, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

I guess the jet-set were also responsible for the global transmission of the Spanish Flu in 1918  ::)
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

It's all the rich's fault. Lol.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on March 10, 2020, 12:37:56 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

I guess the jet-set were also responsible for the global transmission of the Spanish Flu in 1918  ::)

Different circumstances, as it was soldiers returning from war. But everyone knows the type of red faced Paddy, belly stuck out, wants to have his fun, likes to flash a few bob, and nothing will stop him from his divine right to have the craic at Cheltenham.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 10, 2020, 12:40:16 PM
Ryanair to suspend all flights to Italy.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Being outside is less of a threat. It is the associated visit to the pub that is the problem.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on March 10, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Expert or is Dr Jenny Harries a mouthpiece for the Boris Johnson government?
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Fionntamhnach on March 10, 2020, 12:44:57 PM
Goods are OK, they can sit for a period before moving on or the containers can be disinfected and I don't believe there are any known cases of transmission via goods yet.

A sealed good should be OK due to hygiene regulations on the source side.


Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2020, 12:45:39 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Expert or is Dr Jenny Harries a mouthpiece for the Boris Johnson government?

Yes an unqualified mouthpiece, as opposed to yourself who's seems to be quite the authority on public health issues including but not limited to the cause of the Spanish flu.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on March 10, 2020, 12:51:07 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Expert or is Dr Jenny Harries a mouthpiece for the Boris Johnson government?

Yes an unqualified mouthpiece, as opposed to yourself who's seems to be quite the authority on public health issues including but not limited to the cause of the Spanish flu.

There's something called commonsense and anyone who travels abroad for a ski holiday, takes a cruise, heads off to a sporting festival held over a number of days where large crowds will gather is being irresponsible. This is all non-essential travel and if people can't put up with that life of leisure for awhile, they are being a selfish bollocks.

Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 10, 2020, 01:03:08 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Expert or is Dr Jenny Harries a mouthpiece for the Boris Johnson government?

Yes an unqualified mouthpiece, as opposed to yourself who's seems to be quite the authority on public health issues including but not limited to the cause of the Spanish flu.

There's something called commonsense and anyone who travels abroad for a ski holiday, takes a cruise, heads off to a sporting festival held over a number of days where large crowds will gather is being irresponsible. This is all non-essential travel and if people can't put up with that life of leisure for awhile, they are being a selfish bollocks.

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: weareros on March 10, 2020, 01:09:56 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Expert or is Dr Jenny Harries a mouthpiece for the Boris Johnson government?

Yes an unqualified mouthpiece, as opposed to yourself who's seems to be quite the authority on public health issues including but not limited to the cause of the Spanish flu.

There's something called commonsense and anyone who travels abroad for a ski holiday, takes a cruise, heads off to a sporting festival held over a number of days where large crowds will gather is being irresponsible. This is all non-essential travel and if people can't put up with that life of leisure for awhile, they are being a selfish bollocks.

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

It's bad luck, but compared to what could happen - a recession, rising unemployment and people losing jobs, not to mention untimely deaths, more pressure on a crumbling health service, it's a small price to pay to give up that trip on the horses.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trileacman on March 10, 2020, 01:16:11 PM

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

Aiding and abetting the spread of a lethal virus with significant mortality risk for the elderly and people with common co-morbidities on one hand.

On the other hand is the disappointment of not getting on your holidays.

People who go on holidays definitely have the alternative not to travel. Anyone who does is a greedy bollix.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2020, 01:22:15 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Expert or is Dr Jenny Harries a mouthpiece for the Boris Johnson government?

Yes an unqualified mouthpiece, as opposed to yourself who's seems to be quite the authority on public health issues including but not limited to the cause of the Spanish flu.

There's something called commonsense and anyone who travels abroad for a ski holiday, takes a cruise, heads off to a sporting festival held over a number of days where large crowds will gather is being irresponsible. This is all non-essential travel and if people can't put up with that life of leisure for awhile, they are being a selfish bollocks.

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

It's bad luck, but compared to what could happen - a recession, rising unemployment and people losing jobs, not to mention untimely deaths, more pressure on a crumbling health service, it's a small price to pay to give up that trip on the horses.

It's not your call to make. If the government ban travel then yes but until then people are free to do as they wish and they should be vilified by the likes of you.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on March 10, 2020, 01:26:47 PM

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

Aiding and abetting the spread of a lethal virus with significant mortality risk for the elderly and people with common co-morbidities on one hand.

On the other hand is the disappointment of not getting on your holidays.

People who go on holidays definitely have the alternative not to travel. Anyone who does is a greedy bollix.
Balls. Governments should cancel flights then or implement procedures. Ridiculous to expect the average citizen to interpret all the data and information and do something different from what the government and WHO is advising and advocating.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 10, 2020, 01:26:55 PM

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

Aiding and abetting the spread of a lethal virus with significant mortality risk for the elderly and people with common co-morbidities on one hand.

On the other hand is the disappointment of not getting on your holidays.

People who go on holidays definitely have the alternative not to travel. Anyone who does is a greedy bollix.

People are selfish. If the virus mutates (which is possible) then they would stop travelling.

I have parents in their 70s who have COPD and can just about fight off a cold. Unfortunately there's loads of ways the virus can transmit. ... Someone coughing in a supermarket, hospital, GP surgery.... Then there's people who don't wash their hands and touch petrol pumps, products in supermarkets. Then there i
Is transmission through family member  etc it's never ending the way this virus can infect people.

I would be more inclined to buy surgical gloves and wash hands at every opportunity
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 10, 2020, 01:37:39 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Expert or is Dr Jenny Harries a mouthpiece for the Boris Johnson government?

Yes an unqualified mouthpiece, as opposed to yourself who's seems to be quite the authority on public health issues including but not limited to the cause of the Spanish flu.

The UK government have said that they expect thousands to be infected. The number of deaths are unknown but it is very likely the hospitals are going to be pushed past their breaking point. I seen what ir was like with that flu two/three years ago.

If hundreds and thousands are going to be infected then it is obvious the current stage we are at is not working. Manage the problem while it is manageable and bring in stricter measures now otherwise we are facing a China and Italy style lock down. It is almost like the UK government are trying to put a house fire out with a fire extinguisher.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 10, 2020, 01:41:54 PM
What keeps the economy going if the country shuts down for 4-6 weeks? I could work with 2 weeks self isolation. But if it is 4-6 weeks complete quarantine and our business stops what should I do?

That is why the dopey government should have been trying everything to keep this confined to border entries.

Pick it up there, and you avoid the need for shutting down the entire country.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: square_ball on March 10, 2020, 01:43:39 PM
It really is the worst possible prime minister for such a scenario.

(You could take the last 4 words away there too).

This is his take on it “One of the theories is perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go & allow #coronvirus to move through the population”

Boris has no intention of any lockdowns.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 10, 2020, 01:45:13 PM
It really is the worst possible prime minister for such a scenario.

(You could take the last 4 words away there too).

This is his take on it “One of the theories is perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go & allow #coronvirus to move through the population”

Boris has no intention of any lockdowns.

I think the Brexit campaign clearly highlighted the inability for anyone to do anything clear regarding borders - that was just for trade.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 10, 2020, 01:48:20 PM
But if it's lockdown , business shuts, council's will hardly get their rents, staff don't get paid , be pretty much close shop ,open shop six weeks later back to normal, govt lose a few quid from emergency fund .

What about staff who need to pay for things like food, heat, light, mortgage, cars? Are you f**king serious? It would be carnage!

Thousands coming back from Cheltenham isnt going to help this!

Stop and quarantine at entry points. The country can run smoothly as normal if it’s contained at ports/airports. If they don’t do that, we will have an Italy style lockdown in a week or two. Now that would be carnage!!

Anyone who goes to Cheltenham and comes back is a bollocks of the highest order. Much of this in Europe is a virus spread by the jet set.

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

Experts.

Expert or is Dr Jenny Harries a mouthpiece for the Boris Johnson government?

Yes an unqualified mouthpiece, as opposed to yourself who's seems to be quite the authority on public health issues including but not limited to the cause of the Spanish flu.

There's something called commonsense and anyone who travels abroad for a ski holiday, takes a cruise, heads off to a sporting festival held over a number of days where large crowds will gather is being irresponsible. This is all non-essential travel and if people can't put up with that life of leisure for awhile, they are being a selfish bollocks.

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

It's bad luck, but compared to what could happen - a recession, rising unemployment and people losing jobs, not to mention untimely deaths, more pressure on a crumbling health service, it's a small price to pay to give up that trip on the horses.

Insurance companies could just cough up, the government could enforce a travel ban, I personally wouldn't go or allow my children to go, but I do get why some might. 
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on March 10, 2020, 01:49:28 PM
Several times in work today I've heard people say "ahh it's only going to affect the elderly " in the context of f**k them . You'd have to wonder about humanity in the modern world
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: trileacman on March 10, 2020, 01:49:37 PM

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

Aiding and abetting the spread of a lethal virus with significant mortality risk for the elderly and people with common co-morbidities on one hand.

On the other hand is the disappointment of not getting on your holidays.

People who go on holidays definitely have the alternative not to travel. Anyone who does is a greedy bollix.
Balls. Governments should cancel flights then or implement procedures. Ridiculous to expect the average citizen to interpret all the data and information and do something different from what the government and WHO is advising and advocating.

Balls. There's not much data to interpret. It's a lethal virus with a mortality rate of up to 10% amongst the elderly and people with co-morbidities. It's spread very rapidly amongst people and communities. If you find yourself in a moral quandry between spreading a lethal disease and going on holidays then your a w**ker.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 10, 2020, 01:51:44 PM

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

Aiding and abetting the spread of a lethal virus with significant mortality risk for the elderly and people with common co-morbidities on one hand.

On the other hand is the disappointment of not getting on your holidays.

People who go on holidays definitely have the alternative not to travel. Anyone who does is a greedy bollix.
Balls. Governments should cancel flights then or implement procedures. Ridiculous to expect the average citizen to interpret all the data and information and do something different from what the government and WHO is advising and advocating.

Balls. There's not much data to interpret. It's a lethal virus with a mortality rate of up to 10% amongst the elderly and people with co-morbidities. It's spread very rapidly amongst people and communities. If you find yourself in a moral quandry between spreading a lethal disease and going on holidays then your a w**ker.

Enforce a travel ban - take it out of individuals hands!
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 10, 2020, 01:54:26 PM

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

Aiding and abetting the spread of a lethal virus with significant mortality risk for the elderly and people with common co-morbidities on one hand.

On the other hand is the disappointment of not getting on your holidays.

People who go on holidays definitely have the alternative not to travel. Anyone who does is a greedy bollix.
Balls. Governments should cancel flights then or implement procedures. Ridiculous to expect the average citizen to interpret all the data and information and do something different from what the government and WHO is advising and advocating.

Balls. There's not much data to interpret. It's a lethal virus with a mortality rate of up to 10% amongst the elderly and people with co-morbidities. It's spread very rapidly amongst people and communities. If you find yourself in a moral quandry between spreading a lethal disease and going on holidays then your a w**ker.

Out of curiosity, how many people on this forum would be in the at risk groups? I'm not at risk but I take ever precaution possible to ensure elderly people are not affected by a virus that could be eliminated if society as a while takes necessary precautions.
Title: Re: China Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on March 10, 2020, 02:01:15 PM

Alternatively, they have saved all year for something to strike upon this kind of bad luck. No refund on cancellations is no alternative to some. You must acknowledge that.

Aiding and abetting the spread of a lethal virus with significant mortality risk for the elderly and people with common co-morbidities on one hand.

On the other hand is the disappointment of not getting on your holidays.

People who go on holidays definitely have the alternative not to travel. Anyone who does is a greedy bollix.
Balls. Governments should ca