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Title: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 10, 2020, 05:09:45 PM
Agurably the most interesting and should be the most competitive of all four divisions.

The teams

Armagh
Cavan
Clare
Fermanagh
Kildare
Laois
Roscommon
Westmeath

Round 1 games

Saturday January 25th

Armagh v Cavan, Athletic Grounds, 7pm

Sunday January 26th
Westmeath v Clare, TEG Cusack Park, 2pm
Roscommon v Laois, Dr Hyde Park, 2pm
Kildare v Fermanagh, Newbridge, 2.30pm
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 10, 2020, 05:23:17 PM
The real League.
There will be some scrap to avoid the dreaded last 2 positions!!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 10, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
The real League.
There will be some scrap to avoid the dreaded last 2 positions!!

Iím gonna day Westmeath and Laois. Cavan May be in trouble with all the players they have lost
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on January 10, 2020, 06:53:49 PM
Fermanagh have a very tough start.
Away to Kildare and then home to Roscommon.
The adsence of Sean Quigley is a big blow as he has been our top scorer for the past 2 seasons. Tomas Corrigan is back in the panel but he hasn't really played at this level in over 2 years so it's a big ask but he has the talent.
Wouldn't read much into the McKenna cup games as we were definitely having a look at alot of players .
If we get anything out of those first 2 games ( very much like last year when we were at home to Cork and away to Tipp) then we could be in the promotion race.
If we get beaten in those 2 games then we will be in the dogfight to stay up.
I expect Kildare to go up with one of Roscommon and Armagh to join them but I have been tipping Armagh to go up for a few years and somehow, come the last few games, they manage to get themselves involved in the relegation battle.

Think that Westmeath and Clare will get relegated.
Brennan is a big loss for Clare
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 10, 2020, 06:57:50 PM
Clare could end up in a bit of bother with no Gary Brennan or Jamie Malone.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: giveballaghback on January 11, 2020, 12:52:15 PM
Rossies have a hard draw 4 away games to Fermanagh, Kildare, Cavan and Armagh, they will need to pick up 6pts from their 3 home games and 5 or 6 more from the 4 away games to insure promotion and there is nothing handy there, their last 2 games is away to Cavan and Armagh which will be at championship level at that stage. Promotion is a big ask in the circumstances.
I am really looking forward to the campaign and those away journeys especially.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 17, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Cavan away to Armagh, Laois, Fermanagh and Kildare. First game away to Armagh. Our last 2 games are away to Kildare and finally home to Roscommon.
 Think if we don't make some hay in the middle part of league especially in Breffni we will be in serious trouble for the home straight.
 We're missing a good few of our starting line up and although that's a chance for others to step up I'd be worried from a physical point of view that we are prime candidates to be bullied out of it in a lot of the games. Division 2 is a tough baptism if you're blooding too many.
 Bookies have us at 5/2 to drop which is maybe about right. 4 others at shorter odds but anyone can beat anyone in this division and there's usually one that upsets the books either way.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 17, 2020, 11:16:56 PM
Cavan are going to bate Armagh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on January 18, 2020, 02:26:25 AM
Cavan are going to bate Armagh.

Of course they will, any time the ref  is not looking, but who will get the points?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2020, 10:11:42 AM
Cavan are going to bate Armagh.

Of course they will, any time the ref  is not looking, but who will get the points?

Ah here.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 20, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
Kildare will win league handy enough handy enough.  Jack is above in Kildare 5 times a week for training.  The Rossies or Armagh will challenge for second place.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2020, 05:36:23 PM
Kildare will win league handy enough handy enough.  Jack is above in Kildare 5 times a week for training.  The Rossies or Armagh will challenge for second place.

Aye but they wont be able to afford having a team next year so will forfeit their place in Div 1
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: skeog on January 20, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
Ricey will have a plan to ensure Fermanagh are difficult to beat.Could be dark horse for promotion imo.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: on the sideline on January 21, 2020, 07:05:46 PM
Ricey will have a plan to ensure Fermanagh are difficult to beat.Could be dark horse for promotion imo.

Difficult to beat yeah, but will struggle to kick enough scores to win games. Expect more of the same as the past 2 years, and if struggling after first 2 games expect it to get even more defensive.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Maroon Manc on January 22, 2020, 10:35:35 AM
Will the 2 relegated teams be in tier 2 unless they get to their provincial final?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 22, 2020, 10:42:23 AM
Yep.
So no handy games.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: LCohen on January 22, 2020, 07:03:08 PM
canít see Fermanagh having the fire power for this division. Expect them to be dull as feck to watch
Armagh likely to be the polar opposite. We have plenty of defenders but really need the competition for places to result in some improvement in defensive performance. The defensive organisation needs to improve. Massively
Cavan missing a few but have been effective at this level for a while
Clare missing key players
Kildare will expect a bounce under OíConnor and he obviously thinks there is potential there. Most will expect them to up
Laois will be most peopleís favourites to go down.  That said most memories from Portloaise have been grim in recent years
Roscommon will be in the mix
Westmeath likely to be fighting at the bottom end




Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 23, 2020, 10:23:00 AM
As well as Diarmuid Murtagh and McInerney who are not on the panel out injured are
C Daly, Cox, Glennon and longer term Devaney, Mullooly, Harney and C Murtagh.
We're vulnerable and if we dont beat Laois Sunday will be more concerned with avoiding Tier 2 than chasing Promotion.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on January 23, 2020, 10:46:54 AM
Highly competitive and from the outset would expect Armagh/Kildare/Rosscommon to go up, but in saying that, a few unexpected results can turn the league on its head.  Honestly think anything less from these 3 would be considered a bad league for them. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on January 23, 2020, 11:27:22 AM
I would be surprised if Armagh go up.  I just don't think they are defensively sound enough.  Also, if they haven't yet sorted their inability to hold onto a lead then they could again be in the mix at the bottom end.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 23, 2020, 11:29:55 AM
As well as Diarmuid Murtagh and McInerney who are not on the panel out injured are
C Daly, Cox, Glennon and longer term Devaney, Mullooly, Harney and C Murtagh.
We're vulnerable and if we dont beat Laois Sunday will be more concerned with avoiding Tier 2 than chasing Promotion.

With the amount of players that both Cavan and Roscommon are without it will come as surprise if Armagh and Kildare don't take advantage and gain promotion.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on January 23, 2020, 11:35:03 AM
GAA at their work too again I see. Cant buy any more tickets for the Armagh match online and very few places nearby that do prepaid tickets (none in Lurgan that I know of).  £19 quid it is then. Joke.

Why would they limit the amount that be bought online?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on January 23, 2020, 11:50:48 AM
I would be surprised if Armagh go up.  I just don't think they are defensively sound enough.  Also, if they haven't yet sorted their inability to hold onto a lead then they could again be in the mix at the bottom end.

Aye it is the weakest area on the pitch for them, but I genuinely think we have a top top forward line and decent options off the bench that could turn games around.  The fact other teams seem to be hit hard with players walking away and player out injured/retirements Armagh seem to have retained their starting team from last year and added to it. 

But again, it only takes a bad result to throw the whole thing up in the air.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 23, 2020, 01:38:44 PM
GAA at their work too again I see. Cant buy any more tickets for the Armagh match online and very few places nearby that do prepaid tickets (none in Lurgan that I know of).  £19 quid it is then. Joke.

Why would they limit the amount that be bought online?

I think it is because they need time to post them. Could be wrong tho. Tried to buy one last night and couldnít so Twitter itíll be for me. Iím not paying £19
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 23, 2020, 09:11:24 PM
GAA at their work too again I see. Cant buy any more tickets for the Armagh match online and very few places nearby that do prepaid tickets (none in Lurgan that I know of).  £19 quid it is then. Joke.

Why would they limit the amount that be bought online?

I think it is because they need time to post them. Could be wrong tho. Tried to buy one last night and couldnít so Twitter itíll be for me. Iím not paying £19
A ticket printing machine would be a good idea at a ground
Put in your code, out pops the prepaid ticket
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on January 23, 2020, 09:25:31 PM
GAA at their work too again I see. Cant buy any more tickets for the Armagh match online and very few places nearby that do prepaid tickets (none in Lurgan that I know of).  £19 quid it is then. Joke.

Why would they limit the amount that be bought online?

I'm after buying one now, according to Armagh twitter they are available until noon tomorrow.

https://armaghgaa.tickets.ie/
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 24, 2020, 09:12:38 AM
I'd be very surprised if cavan get anything from the match, it's not the amount of players we've lost but more who they are. Mickey Graham has upped the anti in cavan and is taking no shit, training effort is tough and the lads that did stay around are putting it in so maybe that counts for something. Bookies have Armagh 1/3 so I'm expecting 5 or 6 point win for the orange men, they probably wont need to start fighting either to achieve it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on January 24, 2020, 10:23:06 AM
GAA at their work too again I see. Cant buy any more tickets for the Armagh match online and very few places nearby that do prepaid tickets (none in Lurgan that I know of).  £19 quid it is then. Joke.

Why would they limit the amount that be bought online?

I'm after buying one now, according to Armagh twitter they are available until noon tomorrow.

https://armaghgaa.tickets.ie/

Cheers.  Got them printed off ok there.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on January 24, 2020, 03:14:30 PM
Cavan team to play Armagh.   Raymond Galligan; Paddy Meade, Padraig Faulkner, Luke Fortune; Ciaran Brady, Benjamin Kelly, Oisin Kiernan; Killian Brady, Evan Fortune; Stephen Smith, Simon Cadden, Niall Murray; Martin Reilly, Gearoid McKiernan, Conor Madden.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rudi on January 24, 2020, 03:24:30 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 24, 2020, 03:59:37 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Armagh had the same flaws as last year.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: LCohen on January 24, 2020, 04:05:53 PM
Cavan team to play Armagh.   Raymond Galligan; Paddy Meade, Padraig Faulkner, Luke Fortune; Ciaran Brady, Benjamin Kelly, Oisin Kiernan; Killian Brady, Evan Fortune; Stephen Smith, Simon Cadden, Niall Murray; Martin Reilly, Gearoid McKiernan, Conor Madden.

There are hardly 2 fortunes in Cavan
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: LCohen on January 24, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Armagh had the same flaws as last year.

Iíll despair if we do.

Should be good to watch though
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on January 24, 2020, 04:32:00 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Armagh had the same flaws as last year.

Iíll despair if we do.

Should be good to watch though

should be frustrating to watch
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 24, 2020, 04:43:01 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.

Kildare were ridiculously flaky under Cian O'Neill, an experienced manager like Jack O'Connor should filter out the majority of that flakiness.

Was excuses to be made in previous years however Armagh have their strongest available panel for years and anything less than promotion will be failure for Kieran Mcgeeney.

The amount of players Cavan and Roscommon have missing it will take good management to secure promotion. Relegation will perhaps be a battle among Westmeath, Laois, Clare. Fermanagh will remain hard to beat and score against in Division 2 and maybe have a mid table finish.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 24, 2020, 05:14:43 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Armagh had the same flaws as last year.

Judging by McKenna cup we still havenít worked on a lockout plan, a defensive structure or tackling.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: twohands!!! on January 24, 2020, 06:09:53 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Armagh had the same flaws as last year.

Judging by McKenna cup we still havenít worked on a lockout plan, a defensive structure or tackling.

Ah give Kieran time, he's only been an intercounty manager for a decade.
I think Armagh will get promotion but it will be in spite of McGeeney rather than because of him.
He's lucky with the squad of players Armagh have available at the moment.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: twohands!!! on January 24, 2020, 06:13:50 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.

Kildare were ridiculously flaky under Cian O'Neill, an experienced manager like Jack O'Connor should filter out the majority of that flakiness.


Some Kerry folk I know think that he's a good but not great manager. I wouldn't be all that confidient he is the man to sort out any flakiness issues.

They were fairly negative about his time in charge of the Kerry U21s - said that both years the team were less than the sum of their parts.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 24, 2020, 06:44:01 PM
Armagh and Kildare are flaky. Roscommon, Clare and Cavan are missing a silly mount of players. Laois look to be in a bad place. Westmeath went from D1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 3 to 2 in consecutive years & Fermanagh were'nt far away in the league last year. In conclusion I dont expect 2 from Armagh, Kildare nd Ros to go up.

Kildare were ridiculously flaky under Cian O'Neill, an experienced manager like Jack O'Connor should filter out the majority of that flakiness.


Some Kerry folk I know think that he's a good but not great manager. I wouldn't be all that confidient he is the man to sort out any flakiness issues.

They were fairly negative about his time in charge of the Kerry U21s - said that both years the team were less than the sum of their parts.

Going back to schools level his CV in management speaks for itself and he may well have added another All Ireland at U20 level if he had O'Shea, Clifford available for selection.

Some Kerry supporters i know reckon he's past his best a bit like Mourinho in that other sport across the water but I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: twohands!!! on January 24, 2020, 07:53:18 PM

Going back to schools level his CV in management speaks for itself and he may well have added another All Ireland at U20 level if he had O'Shea, Clifford available for selection.

Some Kerry supporters i know reckon he's past his best a bit like Mourinho in that other sport across the water but I guess we'll see.

Looking at the records he was there 4 years 2016 to 2019.
Won 2 Munster titles but didn't make it past the All-Ireland semi-final finals both years.
The first of the five in a row Kerry minor All-Irelands was in 2014 so while O'Shea and Clifford were missing it's hardly as if he was completely lacking in materials.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on January 24, 2020, 08:16:05 PM
On the tickets...surely with the technology we have available we can buy a ticket on our phone thru an app and scan the phone at the turn-styles. That would be handy...but suppose the GAA don't do handy. (if this is available i'll apologise and hold my hands up)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on January 24, 2020, 08:25:52 PM
Armagh - Decent team, defensively short of 2/3 good defenders, that and one good midfielder and Armagh would be hard to beat but they dont have them so...
Cavan - Not sure what to expect, lost some quality but on their day can give most teams their fill of it (def in Brefni)
Clare - I'll expect them to struggle
Fermanagh - I'll expect them to struggle and battle it out with Laois)
Kildare - Should be pushing for promotion
Laois - Hopefully drop back down but are strong at home and should go the the wire
Roscommon - Should win the league
Westmeath - Struggle

Truth be told, the teams are hard to predict. A good start is essential and all teams are capable of beating each other so pretty much a guessing game until 2 or 3 matches are over
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on January 24, 2020, 10:36:45 PM
A few more teams published

ARMAGH: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Greg McCabe, Conor O'Neill; Callum Cumiskey, Brendan Donaghy, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Stephen Sheridan; Jason Duffy, Rory Grugan, Oisin O'Neill; Conor Turbitt, Rian O'Neill, Stefan Campbell.

KILDARE :  Mark Donnellan; Peter Kelly, Mick O'Grady, Liam Healy; Johnny Byrne, Con Kavanagh, Shea Ryan; David Hyland, Tommy Moolick; Neil Flynn, Paul Cribbin, Paddy Brophy; Jack Robinson, Daniel Flynn, Niall Kelly.

LAOIS: Niall Corbet, Trevor Collins, Mark Timmons, Gearoid Hanrahan, Sean O'Flynn, Robbie Pigott, Paddy O'Sullivan; John O'Loughlin Sean Byrne; Michael Keogh, Colm Murphy, Eoin Lowry, Mark Barry, Kieran Lillis, Evan O'Carroll

CLARE : Stephen Ryan; Kevin Harnett, Cillian Brennan, Gordon Kelly; Sean Collins, Pearse Lillis, Dean Ryan; Ciaran Russell, Cathal O'Connor; Cian O'Dea, Eoin Cleary, Dermot Coughlan; Gavin Cooney, David Tubridy, Keelan Sexton.

FERMANAGH : J McGrath,J Cassidy,C Cullen,K McDonnell,D McCusker,R O Callaghan,S McGullion,E Donnelly,R Jones,A Breen,U Kelm,C Corrigan,S McGullion,C Jones,D McGurn

Westmeath: Eoin Carberry; Jack Smith, Ronan Wallace, Boidu Sayeh; Killian Daly, Kevin Maguire, James Dolan; Denis Corroon, Darren Giles; Anthony McGivney, Ronan O'Toole, David Lynch; Callum McCormack, John Heslin, Lorcan Dolan.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 24, 2020, 10:51:13 PM
Cavan team to play Armagh.   Raymond Galligan; Paddy Meade, Padraig Faulkner, Luke Fortune; Ciaran Brady, Benjamin Kelly, Oisin Kiernan; Killian Brady, Evan Fortune; Stephen Smith, Simon Cadden, Niall Murray; Martin Reilly, Gearoid McKiernan, Conor Madden.

There are hardly 2 fortunes in Cavan

There are 4 I think
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 24, 2020, 11:10:56 PM
A few more teams published

ARMAGH: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Greg McCabe, Conor O'Neill; Callum Cumiskey, Brendan Donaghy, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Stephen Sheridan; Jason Duffy, Rory Grugan, Oisin O'Neill; Conor Turbitt, Rian O'Neill, Stefan Campbell.

KILDARE :  Mark Donnellan; Peter Kelly, Mick O'Grady, Liam Healy; Johnny Byrne, Con Kavanagh, Shea Ryan; David Hyland, Tommy Moolick; Neil Flynn, Paul Cribbin, Paddy Brophy; Jack Robinson, Daniel Flynn, Niall Kelly.

That Armagh defence doesnít fill me with confidence
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on January 25, 2020, 10:49:40 AM
A few more teams published

ARMAGH: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Greg McCabe, Conor O'Neill; Callum Cumiskey, Brendan Donaghy, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Stephen Sheridan; Jason Duffy, Rory Grugan, Oisin O'Neill; Conor Turbitt, Rian O'Neill, Stefan Campbell.

KILDARE :  Mark Donnellan; Peter Kelly, Mick O'Grady, Liam Healy; Johnny Byrne, Con Kavanagh, Shea Ryan; David Hyland, Tommy Moolick; Neil Flynn, Paul Cribbin, Paddy Brophy; Jack Robinson, Daniel Flynn, Niall Kelly.

That Armagh defence doesnít fill me with confidence

Are Shields and Morgan injured?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2020, 07:43:39 PM
Armagh well worth their five point lead at half time.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 25, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
Armagh well worth their five point lead at half time.

Should be more. Not sure 5 will be enough
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 25, 2020, 08:07:37 PM
Armagh well worth their five point lead at half time.

10 point lead now. Conor Turbitt is incredible
Should be more. Not sure 5 will be enough
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 25, 2020, 08:32:39 PM
Armagh 2-17
Cavan 1-6
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2020, 08:38:37 PM
13 point winners. A very impressive start to the league campaign for Armagh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on January 25, 2020, 08:46:23 PM
Cavan are going to bate Armagh.

Of course they will, any time the ref  is not looking, but who will get the points?

Ah here.

Cavan did some bateing sinning, but Armagh took the points. Tķs math, leath na hoibre.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on January 25, 2020, 09:11:48 PM
Cavan were brutal, should be preparing for Division 3 and the Tommy Murphy cup after that, can't see them beating anyone, and their disipline was shocking.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 25, 2020, 09:41:24 PM
Cavan were brutal, should be preparing for Division 3 and the Tommy Murphy cup after that, can't see them beating anyone, and their disipline was shocking.

Alas I did predict an easy win for armagh and no doubt all the leavers have finally dropped us below Armagh in the rankings for the first time in many a year. Still plenty of time for us to pick up a few points and stay in div2 and time too for armagh to as usual lose the run of themselves and f**k up their promotion push.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 25, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Cavan were brutal, should be preparing for Division 3 and the Tommy Murphy cup after that, can't see them beating anyone, and their disipline was shocking.

Alas I did predict an easy win for armagh and no doubt all the leavers have finally dropped us below Armagh in the rankings for the first time in many a year. Still plenty of time for us to pick up a few points and stay in div2 and time too for armagh to as usual lose the run of themselves and f**k up their promotion push.

Cavan would appear to have bigger things to worry about then Armagh not getting promotion. This is division 2 and having a rival team from this division putting 13 points on you is something very concerning.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 25, 2020, 10:14:32 PM
Cavan were brutal, should be preparing for Division 3 and the Tommy Murphy cup after that, can't see them beating anyone, and their disipline was shocking.

Alas I did predict an easy win for armagh and no doubt all the leavers have finally dropped us below Armagh in the rankings for the first time in many a year. Still plenty of time for us to pick up a few points and stay in div2 and time too for armagh to as usual lose the run of themselves and f**k up their promotion push.

Youíve an awful bee in your bonnet about Armagh. Who is talking about promotion? 2 more wins and we will be safe
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 25, 2020, 10:22:28 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 25, 2020, 10:30:35 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2020, 10:35:10 PM
Cavans margin of defeats in Division 1 last year.

3 points v Galway
3 points v Kerry
5 points v Mayo
9 points v Tyrone
3 points v Monaghan
6 points v Dublin

While Armagh were very impressive one can understand why Cavan supporters are so concerned about that result tonight.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 25, 2020, 10:35:51 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 25, 2020, 10:46:30 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.

You were poor and we were good. I expected a win to be honest given all the departures but not that win.
Heard someone saying you trained for 28 days in a row before Christmas and players walked over the head of that. I doubt it was that extreme tho
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on January 25, 2020, 10:58:01 PM
If i'm being honest here i thought Armagh were decent but not great so what does that say about Cavan...I can't believe how bad they were and to lose the quality of players Cavan have i suppose backs up their display.
Armagh got of to a great start in the league and nothing else, there a some tough games ahead so 2 more wins will keep us in the Division
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: yellowcard on January 25, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.

You were poor and we were good. I expected a win to be honest given all the departures but not that win.
Heard someone saying you trained for 28 days in a row before Christmas and players walked over the head of that. I doubt it was that extreme tho

I doubt very much if that is true but if it is then not a bit of wonder lads are opting off county panels. Thatís ludicrous for amateur sportsmen.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: keeperlit on January 25, 2020, 11:22:51 PM
Cavan were not good but still managed to open Armagh up very easily, right up the middle of the defence. Armagh very good going forward and scored some super points but defence is a major problem, with what can only be described as  an obsession with marking space. This might sound harsh on Armagh but with the forward talent at our disposal, if there was a wee bit of structure about our defence, we would comfortably be a division 1 team.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on January 26, 2020, 12:31:48 AM
£19 admission is def too steep btw. I know the late fee and if Iíd bought it earlier blah blah, I reckon If theyíd reduced the price (assuming the GAA sets the price) there would def have been another few thousand at the game
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 26, 2020, 10:01:27 AM
£19 admission is def too steep btw. I know the late fee and if Iíd bought it earlier blah blah, I reckon If theyíd reduced the price (assuming the GAA sets the price) there would def have been another few thousand at the game

Anyone paying in sterling is getting doubly rode too
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Throw ball on January 26, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
Good win for Armagh last night but Cavan were extremely poor. Tougher challenges lie ahead. Must say in matches to date i would not be a great fan of offensive mark. Teams have been setting up even more defensively . In saying that when Armagh played with the wind they were able to score from distance as Cavan were too deep. Be interesting to see will the same happen in other matches.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 26, 2020, 10:31:44 AM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
What's this supposed to mean? We had the most disciplined and fittest Cavan panel as ever we had. If Cavan management are too f*****g ignorant/stupid to recognize what's sustainable or responsible in terms of training commitment or are just too greedy and squeezing as much money out of CB getting paid by the session, then that's on their heads. Trying to twist this onto the players is hard to stomach.
 If you have some notions in your head that this is the dawn of a new era, that a regime like this is going to develop a new type of Cavan footballer and keep them long term, I'd advise you to lose them quick.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: bennydorano on January 26, 2020, 12:32:16 PM
£19 admission is def too steep btw. I know the late fee and if Iíd bought it earlier blah blah, I reckon If theyíd reduced the price (assuming the GAA sets the price) there would def have been another few thousand at the game
I've sort of given up on GAA in general, went to half a dozen games in total last year- heard someone say it was £19 during the week and assumed they were mistaken- but wow, that is scandalous.

The GAA is on a very dodgy road in general, stupid rules, constant tinkering, no concern for clubs - it's hurtling towards an unsustainable semi-pro county game.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 26, 2020, 01:01:01 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
What's this supposed to mean? We had the most disciplined and fittest Cavan panel as ever we had. If Cavan management are too f*****g ignorant/stupid to recognize what's sustainable or responsible in terms of training commitment or are just too greedy and squeezing as much money out of CB getting paid by the session, then that's on their heads. Trying to twist this onto the players is hard to stomach.
 If you have some notions in your head that this is the dawn of a new era, that a regime like this is going to develop a new type of Cavan footballer and keep them long term, I'd advise you to lose them quick.

Look lad, I dont give a f**k what you think. I have enough contacts of my own to know whats going. Trying to smear Mickey Graham as some sort of money grabbing manager is revolting, he is a Cavan man through and through and has the interest of the county at heart, same as Terry Hyland had. And do tell, who were the players that wanted Terry gone - some of them no longer on the panel either. You'd be better off calling your buddies who left the panel and telling them to take down their twitter avatars in their cavan jerseys as they are not cavan players anymore.

What is expected of a Cavan player in terms of training is no different than any other team with serious ambitions, the fact that our players haven't done it in the past is why we are visibly so far behind your Tyrones and Donegals of this world in terms of conditioning. Fine if you don't want to do it then off you go and let someone in who is. That's where we are now, we have players who 100% want to play for Cavan. They may be young, raw, well behind in S&C and they may not be the most skillful players in the county but they are there and trying and committed.

Mickey has ended up with what he has and no amount of pissing and moaning about what is expected of todays players will not change it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 26, 2020, 01:40:41 PM
Think Westmeath will give Clare a good trimming. Clare have lost a few bodies.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: rodney trotter on January 26, 2020, 02:11:46 PM
Westmeath are without a few themselves. Ger Egan their top scorer last year injured, and Kieran Martin.

Clare ahead 1-2 to 1pt
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: larryin89 on January 26, 2020, 03:36:33 PM
Roscommon blow a six point lead in injury time  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) :D
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Helix. on January 26, 2020, 03:40:14 PM
Roscommon blow a six point lead in injury time  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) :D

Could be a valuable point for Laois in the grander scheme of things.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 26, 2020, 03:42:36 PM
Roscommon blow a six point lead in injury time  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) :D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on January 26, 2020, 04:41:22 PM
Only 1 game in but already its looking like the two favourites Kildare, Armagh will be promoted. Going to be some battle for relegation and with their poor results this weekend both Cavan and Roscommon could be dragged into that battle.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 26, 2020, 04:57:44 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
What's this supposed to mean? We had the most disciplined and fittest Cavan panel as ever we had. If Cavan management are too f*****g ignorant/stupid to recognize what's sustainable or responsible in terms of training commitment or are just too greedy and squeezing as much money out of CB getting paid by the session, then that's on their heads. Trying to twist this onto the players is hard to stomach.
 If you have some notions in your head that this is the dawn of a new era, that a regime like this is going to develop a new type of Cavan footballer and keep them long term, I'd advise you to lose them quick.

Look lad, I dont give a f**k what you think. I have enough contacts of my own to know whats going. Trying to smear Mickey Graham as some sort of money grabbing manager is revolting, he is a Cavan man through and through and has the interest of the county at heart, same as Terry Hyland had. And do tell, who were the players that wanted Terry gone - some of them no longer on the panel either. You'd be better off calling your buddies who left the panel and telling them to take down their twitter avatars in their cavan jerseys as they are not cavan players anymore.

What is expected of a Cavan player in terms of training is no different than any other team with serious ambitions, the fact that our players haven't done it in the past is why we are visibly so far behind your Tyrones and Donegals of this world in terms of conditioning. Fine if you don't want to do it then off you go and let someone in who is. That's where we are now, we have players who 100% want to play for Cavan. They may be young, raw, well behind in S&C and they may not be the most skillful players in the county but they are there and trying and committed.

Mickey has ended up with what he has and no amount of pissing and moaning about what is expected of todays players will not change it.
Why don't you pull your head out of MG's arse before replying. Where was the rampant party culture and lack of discipline? Still none the wiser from your long winded rant.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 26, 2020, 05:05:26 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
What's this supposed to mean? We had the most disciplined and fittest Cavan panel as ever we had. If Cavan management are too f*****g ignorant/stupid to recognize what's sustainable or responsible in terms of training commitment or are just too greedy and squeezing as much money out of CB getting paid by the session, then that's on their heads. Trying to twist this onto the players is hard to stomach.
 If you have some notions in your head that this is the dawn of a new era, that a regime like this is going to develop a new type of Cavan footballer and keep them long term, I'd advise you to lose them quick.

Look lad, I dont give a f**k what you think. I have enough contacts of my own to know whats going. Trying to smear Mickey Graham as some sort of money grabbing manager is revolting, he is a Cavan man through and through and has the interest of the county at heart, same as Terry Hyland had. And do tell, who were the players that wanted Terry gone - some of them no longer on the panel either. You'd be better off calling your buddies who left the panel and telling them to take down their twitter avatars in their cavan jerseys as they are not cavan players anymore.

What is expected of a Cavan player in terms of training is no different than any other team with serious ambitions, the fact that our players haven't done it in the past is why we are visibly so far behind your Tyrones and Donegals of this world in terms of conditioning. Fine if you don't want to do it then off you go and let someone in who is. That's where we are now, we have players who 100% want to play for Cavan. They may be young, raw, well behind in S&C and they may not be the most skillful players in the county but they are there and trying and committed.

Mickey has ended up with what he has and no amount of pissing and moaning about what is expected of todays players will not change it.
Why don't you pull your head out of MG's arse before replying. Where was the rampant party culture and lack of discipline? Still none the wiser from your long winded rant.

Didn't the Cavan team stop speaking to a local newspaper after they published a story about one of the now departed county players getting a drink driving ban?

From the outside looking in, there is something wrong with the mindset of Cavan football. For the last 7/8 years there have been plenty of lads dropping off panels when Cavan should have been looking at an upward trajectory. They have not had their best hand at any stage in the past decade, a lot of players have not been buying in like they have in other counties.

I wouldn't begrudge any young lad wanting to follow other pursuits but the large volume of drop outs in Cavan would suggest there is a bad culture in place there for the guts of the past decade.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on January 26, 2020, 06:26:53 PM
Armagh - Decent team, defensively short of 2/3 good defenders, that and one good midfielder and Armagh would be hard to beat but they dont have them so...
Cavan - Not sure what to expect, lost some quality but on their day can give most teams their fill of it (def in Brefni)
Clare - I'll expect them to struggle
Fermanagh - I'll expect them to struggle and battle it out with Laois)
Kildare - Should be pushing for promotion
Laois - Hopefully drop back down but are strong at home and should go the the wire
Roscommon - Should win the league
Westmeath - Struggle

Truth be told, the teams are hard to predict. A good start is essential and all teams are capable of beating each other so pretty much a guessing game until 2 or 3 matches are over
Armagh donít have one good midfielder theyíve 4 arguably 5. Desperately need some defenders though and to bubble wrap Donaghy for the year.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 26, 2020, 06:32:27 PM
Only 1 game in but already its looking like the two favourites Kildare, Armagh will be promoted. Going to be some battle for relegation and with their poor results this weekend both Cavan and Roscommon could be dragged into that battle.

Kildare far from convincing today but probably just about shaded it. Fermanagh will make life difficult for most teams in the division and should eek out enough points to stay up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on January 26, 2020, 07:12:17 PM
Only 1 game in but already its looking like the two favourites Kildare, Armagh will be promoted. Going to be some battle for relegation and with their poor results this weekend both Cavan and Roscommon could be dragged into that battle.

Kildare far from convincing today but probably just about shaded it. Fermanagh will make life difficult for most teams in the division and should eek out enough points to stay up.

It was still a big improvement on last year when Kildare lost to Fermanagh and only managed to score 0-6.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 26, 2020, 07:18:34 PM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
What's this supposed to mean? We had the most disciplined and fittest Cavan panel as ever we had. If Cavan management are too f*****g ignorant/stupid to recognize what's sustainable or responsible in terms of training commitment or are just too greedy and squeezing as much money out of CB getting paid by the session, then that's on their heads. Trying to twist this onto the players is hard to stomach.
 If you have some notions in your head that this is the dawn of a new era, that a regime like this is going to develop a new type of Cavan footballer and keep them long term, I'd advise you to lose them quick.

Look lad, I dont give a f**k what you think. I have enough contacts of my own to know whats going. Trying to smear Mickey Graham as some sort of money grabbing manager is revolting, he is a Cavan man through and through and has the interest of the county at heart, same as Terry Hyland had. And do tell, who were the players that wanted Terry gone - some of them no longer on the panel either. You'd be better off calling your buddies who left the panel and telling them to take down their twitter avatars in their cavan jerseys as they are not cavan players anymore.

What is expected of a Cavan player in terms of training is no different than any other team with serious ambitions, the fact that our players haven't done it in the past is why we are visibly so far behind your Tyrones and Donegals of this world in terms of conditioning. Fine if you don't want to do it then off you go and let someone in who is. That's where we are now, we have players who 100% want to play for Cavan. They may be young, raw, well behind in S&C and they may not be the most skillful players in the county but they are there and trying and committed.

Mickey has ended up with what he has and no amount of pissing and moaning about what is expected of todays players will not change it.
Why don't you pull your head out of MG's arse before replying. Where was the rampant party culture and lack of discipline? Still none the wiser from your long winded rant.

Didn't the Cavan team stop speaking to a local newspaper after they published a story about one of the now departed county players getting a drink driving ban?

From the outside looking in, there is something wrong with the mindset of Cavan football. For the last 7/8 years there have been plenty of lads dropping off panels when Cavan should have been looking at an upward trajectory. They have not had their best hand at any stage in the past decade, a lot of players have not been buying in like they have in other counties.

I wouldn't begrudge any young lad wanting to follow other pursuits but the large volume of drop outs in Cavan would suggest there is a bad culture in place there for the guts of the past decade.

100% right

Yet in Cavan players are protected and manager gets blamed for everything. Maybe look it can tell us why players were dropped from the panel before our last home match against Dublin last year?

In Kerry no one talks about you until you've won a couple of all Ireland's. In Cavan play a couple of good games and then leave and the longer you are gone the more amazing a player you are. And of course it's the managers fault you are gone too. If only if only if only.

We won 4 Ulster u21s in a row, only the very successful Tyrone team did that. Where are they all now, is it really because of a succession of bad managers that our ulster winners have now been overtaken by players from Tyrone and donegal, players they beat over and over at u21. How can that ridiculous assertion stand up to scrutiny?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on January 26, 2020, 07:28:08 PM
Only 1 game in but already its looking like the two favourites Kildare, Armagh will be promoted. Going to be some battle for relegation and with their poor results this weekend both Cavan and Roscommon could be dragged into that battle.

Kildare far from convincing today but probably just about shaded it. Fermanagh will make life difficult for most teams in the division and should eek out enough points to stay up.

Goals win games.
We had three big chances for goals and missed all three.
Kildare has 2 goal chances and buried them.
In fairness to Ricey we were well set up but we also had a  better attacking intent than under Rory.
Honestly thought Kildare tactically were quite niave at times.
Your keepers kickouts would be a worry.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 26, 2020, 08:25:10 PM
Sh1tey performance from us today but despite that had the game sewn up going into injury time.
Conceding 1 goal in injury time might be careless but 2 is effin ridiculous.
Defence poor all round today-how many easy forward marks did Laois get?. As for Patterson's back pass- Lavin fairly saved his blushes. Why the pass back when the whole left side of the pitch was empty on front of him.
While it's early days yet we won't be competing for promotion without major improvement.
Midfield mainly poor. Donie and Cathal Cregg pick of the forwards.
Ref Brannigan did nothing to improve his reputation with Ros fans while Cormac Reilly remains consistent - gave a wrong sideline decision which happened 2 metres in front of him and had to be overruled by the Ref.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: smelmoth on January 26, 2020, 08:46:12 PM
Reading the Cavan comments makes me laugh. In Armagh we only think Geezer is a divisive character.

If the Cavan management are expecting the squad to train anything like 28 days in a row they should be stood down and supported with the mental convalescence support they need. I would stress the ďifĒ

 If there wasnít a rampant party culture in the Cavan squad then a certain poster needs to have a long hard look at themselves. I stress the if
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: smelmoth on January 26, 2020, 08:49:54 PM
Armagh were pretty good last night. Loads of talent not starting or not involved. Big improvements still needed on a couple of perennial issues- kick outs and defending against runners but the talent is there
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 26, 2020, 08:57:39 PM
Reading the Cavan comments makes me laugh. In Armagh we only think Geezer is a divisive character.

If the Cavan management are expecting the squad to train anything like 28 days in a row they should be stood down and supported with the mental convalescence support they need. I would stress the ďifĒ

 If there wasnít a rampant party culture in the Cavan squad then a certain poster needs to have a long hard look at themselves. I stress the if

They didnt have to train 28 days in a row.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 27, 2020, 12:22:39 AM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
What's this supposed to mean? We had the most disciplined and fittest Cavan panel as ever we had. If Cavan management are too f*****g ignorant/stupid to recognize what's sustainable or responsible in terms of training commitment or are just too greedy and squeezing as much money out of CB getting paid by the session, then that's on their heads. Trying to twist this onto the players is hard to stomach.
 If you have some notions in your head that this is the dawn of a new era, that a regime like this is going to develop a new type of Cavan footballer and keep them long term, I'd advise you to lose them quick.

Look lad, I dont give a f**k what you think. I have enough contacts of my own to know whats going. Trying to smear Mickey Graham as some sort of money grabbing manager is revolting, he is a Cavan man through and through and has the interest of the county at heart, same as Terry Hyland had. And do tell, who were the players that wanted Terry gone - some of them no longer on the panel either. You'd be better off calling your buddies who left the panel and telling them to take down their twitter avatars in their cavan jerseys as they are not cavan players anymore.

What is expected of a Cavan player in terms of training is no different than any other team with serious ambitions, the fact that our players haven't done it in the past is why we are visibly so far behind your Tyrones and Donegals of this world in terms of conditioning. Fine if you don't want to do it then off you go and let someone in who is. That's where we are now, we have players who 100% want to play for Cavan. They may be young, raw, well behind in S&C and they may not be the most skillful players in the county but they are there and trying and committed.

Mickey has ended up with what he has and no amount of pissing and moaning about what is expected of todays players will not change it.
Why don't you pull your head out of MG's arse before replying. Where was the rampant party culture and lack of discipline? Still none the wiser from your long winded rant.

Didn't the Cavan team stop speaking to a local newspaper after they published a story about one of the now departed county players getting a drink driving ban?

From the outside looking in, there is something wrong with the mindset of Cavan football. For the last 7/8 years there have been plenty of lads dropping off panels when Cavan should have been looking at an upward trajectory. They have not had their best hand at any stage in the past decade, a lot of players have not been buying in like they have in other counties.

I wouldn't begrudge any young lad wanting to follow other pursuits but the large volume of drop outs in Cavan would suggest there is a bad culture in place there for the guts of the past decade.

100% right

Yet in Cavan players are protected and manager gets blamed for everything. Maybe look it can tell us why players were dropped from the panel before our last home match against Dublin last year?

In Kerry no one talks about you until you've won a couple of all Ireland's. In Cavan play a couple of good games and then leave and the longer you are gone the more amazing a player you are. And of course it's the managers fault you are gone too. If only if only if only.

We won 4 Ulster u21s in a row, only the very successful Tyrone team did that. Where are they all now, is it really because of a succession of bad managers that our ulster winners have now been overtaken by players from Tyrone and donegal, players they beat over and over at u21. How can that ridiculous assertion stand up to scrutiny?
What in God's name is this tangent about?
I don't even know where to start with your posts they are so scatter gun.
Where is the rampant party culture or indiscipline in the last few panels? Stop making stuff up.
Other counties have had similar historic drop-out problems before this mess. Stop exaggerating.
And regardless implementing an absolutely crazy workload would hardly improve the rate.
We are a small county who have been in Division 1/2 for good few years. Something to be built on, not going absolutely mental with players trying to paint them in a bad light and justifying the abuse some've been getting. Some Cavan people need to grow up.
Fitness is not what has been holding us back. Our big game problems lie in first 20 mins, not last.
Strength and conditioning takes years to improve. Losing experience and dogging young lads just in will not achieve results.

We had a bad day at the office. Irony of ironies it was our worst performance I can think of in a very long time in terms of discipline and fitness against a team we should be competing with. We looked very flat.

The Big S has some things to sort out. Winnable game next week. It's very important we see some sort of reaction. A few repeat performances of Saturday and he'll need more than words.   
 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on January 27, 2020, 01:12:52 AM
The Big S has some things to sort out. Winnable game next week. It's very important we see some sort of reaction. A few repeat performances of Saturday and he'll need more than words.   

Training regimes this time of year can have a big effect on performances. Cavan may well have decided not to focus on Armagh away, but to focus on getting the points in other games.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 27, 2020, 09:14:12 AM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
What's this supposed to mean? We had the most disciplined and fittest Cavan panel as ever we had. If Cavan management are too f*****g ignorant/stupid to recognize what's sustainable or responsible in terms of training commitment or are just too greedy and squeezing as much money out of CB getting paid by the session, then that's on their heads. Trying to twist this onto the players is hard to stomach.
 If you have some notions in your head that this is the dawn of a new era, that a regime like this is going to develop a new type of Cavan footballer and keep them long term, I'd advise you to lose them quick.

Look lad, I dont give a f**k what you think. I have enough contacts of my own to know whats going. Trying to smear Mickey Graham as some sort of money grabbing manager is revolting, he is a Cavan man through and through and has the interest of the county at heart, same as Terry Hyland had. And do tell, who were the players that wanted Terry gone - some of them no longer on the panel either. You'd be better off calling your buddies who left the panel and telling them to take down their twitter avatars in their cavan jerseys as they are not cavan players anymore.

What is expected of a Cavan player in terms of training is no different than any other team with serious ambitions, the fact that our players haven't done it in the past is why we are visibly so far behind your Tyrones and Donegals of this world in terms of conditioning. Fine if you don't want to do it then off you go and let someone in who is. That's where we are now, we have players who 100% want to play for Cavan. They may be young, raw, well behind in S&C and they may not be the most skillful players in the county but they are there and trying and committed.

Mickey has ended up with what he has and no amount of pissing and moaning about what is expected of todays players will not change it.
Why don't you pull your head out of MG's arse before replying. Where was the rampant party culture and lack of discipline? Still none the wiser from your long winded rant.

Didn't the Cavan team stop speaking to a local newspaper after they published a story about one of the now departed county players getting a drink driving ban?

From the outside looking in, there is something wrong with the mindset of Cavan football. For the last 7/8 years there have been plenty of lads dropping off panels when Cavan should have been looking at an upward trajectory. They have not had their best hand at any stage in the past decade, a lot of players have not been buying in like they have in other counties.

I wouldn't begrudge any young lad wanting to follow other pursuits but the large volume of drop outs in Cavan would suggest there is a bad culture in place there for the guts of the past decade.

100% right

Yet in Cavan players are protected and manager gets blamed for everything. Maybe look it can tell us why players were dropped from the panel before our last home match against Dublin last year?

In Kerry no one talks about you until you've won a couple of all Ireland's. In Cavan play a couple of good games and then leave and the longer you are gone the more amazing a player you are. And of course it's the managers fault you are gone too. If only if only if only.

We won 4 Ulster u21s in a row, only the very successful Tyrone team did that. Where are they all now, is it really because of a succession of bad managers that our ulster winners have now been overtaken by players from Tyrone and donegal, players they beat over and over at u21. How can that ridiculous assertion stand up to scrutiny?
What in God's name is this tangent about?
I don't even know where to start with your posts they are so scatter gun.
Where is the rampant party culture or indiscipline in the last few panels? Stop making stuff up.
Other counties have had similar historic drop-out problems before this mess. Stop exaggerating.
And regardless implementing an absolutely crazy workload would hardly improve the rate.
We are a small county who have been in Division 1/2 for good few years. Something to be built on, not going absolutely mental with players trying to paint them in a bad light and justifying the abuse some've been getting. Some Cavan people need to grow up.
Fitness is not what has been holding us back. Our big game problems lie in first 20 mins, not last.
Strength and conditioning takes years to improve. Losing experience and dogging young lads just in will not achieve results.

We had a bad day at the office. Irony of ironies it was our worst performance I can think of in a very long time in terms of discipline and fitness against a team we should be competing with. We looked very flat.

The Big S has some things to sort out. Winnable game next week. It's very important we see some sort of reaction. A few repeat performances of Saturday and he'll need more than words.   
 

Why were players dropped from match day squad before our last game last year
What did players do following Ulster final with only a week or two to prepare for Tyrone
Why is Conor Rehill not on the panel this year after an impressive 1st year.

Answers on a postcard....
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on January 27, 2020, 09:27:19 AM
The Big S has some things to sort out. Winnable game next week. It's very important we see some sort of reaction. A few repeat performances of Saturday and he'll need more than words.   

Training regimes this time of year can have a big effect on performances. Cavan may well have decided not to focus on Armagh away, but to focus on getting the points in other games.

Cavan were playing Armagh not Dublin, how does that make any sense?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on January 27, 2020, 09:44:44 AM
A good performance by Armagh and a nice league debut by young Turbo.  Some of the long range points in the first half with the wind were a joy to watch.  At half time I didn't think the game was dead and buried though.  Cavan were causing problems running through the middle.  That's a real worry for the games to come.  The goal early in the second half killed it as a contest.

The amount of times Cavan fouled Armagh on transitions was unreal.  Finally this began to be punished correctly.

A word for my club man Soup.  We can sometimes be his harshest critic but I think that's one of the best performances he has ever put in for Armagh.  He covered every single blade of grass on the night, tackling throughout and still popping up with some quality when needed.

Bigger tests ahead.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on January 27, 2020, 09:59:39 AM
A good performance by Armagh and a nice league debut by young Turbo.  Some of the long range points in the first half with the wind were a joy to watch.  At half time I didn't think the game was dead and buried though.  Cavan were causing problems running through the middle.  That's a real worry for the games to come.  The goal early in the second half killed it as a contest.

The amount of times Cavan fouled Armagh on transitions was unreal.  Finally this began to be punished correctly.

A word for my club man Soup.  We can sometimes be his harshest critic but I think that's one of the best performances he has ever put in for Armagh.  He covered every single blade of grass on the night, tackling throughout and still popping up with some quality when needed.

Bigger tests ahead.

Agree, his work ethic was outstanding and quality on the ball first class. The main issue from last few years remain, Blaine is very suspect under a high ball and his kick outs are always a concern, don't get me wrong a first class shot stopper but a keeper has to be so much more these days, I'd say he would also happily play a one two right up the field, given half the chance.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 27, 2020, 11:05:15 AM
I doubt mcgeeneys target is to just stay in div2? With the forwards ye have I'd expect ye to be getting promoted. If cavan hadn't lost the key players they did I expect us to be getting promoted too. However that's not the case and we will badly need to improve next day out.

Iíd like promotion but first of all getting safe and ensuring division 2 status next year. Must be galling to lose so many players in one go. On the bright side, you can surely only get better than that performance tonight

With cavan it's a step back to go forward. Lack of discipline and party culture was rampant. Mickey raised the bar for training and some lads didnt want to know so we have what we have. I couldn't go tonight but I believe we were awful, it will be tough on new lads but they'll have to learn fast. Only 3 home games also a tough one too.
What's this supposed to mean? We had the most disciplined and fittest Cavan panel as ever we had. If Cavan management are too f*****g ignorant/stupid to recognize what's sustainable or responsible in terms of training commitment or are just too greedy and squeezing as much money out of CB getting paid by the session, then that's on their heads. Trying to twist this onto the players is hard to stomach.
 If you have some notions in your head that this is the dawn of a new era, that a regime like this is going to develop a new type of Cavan footballer and keep them long term, I'd advise you to lose them quick.

Look lad, I dont give a f**k what you think. I have enough contacts of my own to know whats going. Trying to smear Mickey Graham as some sort of money grabbing manager is revolting, he is a Cavan man through and through and has the interest of the county at heart, same as Terry Hyland had. And do tell, who were the players that wanted Terry gone - some of them no longer on the panel either. You'd be better off calling your buddies who left the panel and telling them to take down their twitter avatars in their cavan jerseys as they are not cavan players anymore.

What is expected of a Cavan player in terms of training is no different than any other team with serious ambitions, the fact that our players haven't done it in the past is why we are visibly so far behind your Tyrones and Donegals of this world in terms of conditioning. Fine if you don't want to do it then off you go and let someone in who is. That's where we are now, we have players who 100% want to play for Cavan. They may be young, raw, well behind in S&C and they may not be the most skillful players in the county but they are there and trying and committed.

Mickey has ended up with what he has and no amount of pissing and moaning about what is expected of todays players will not change it.
Why don't you pull your head out of MG's arse before replying. Where was the rampant party culture and lack of discipline? Still none the wiser from your long winded rant.

Didn't the Cavan team stop speaking to a local newspaper after they published a story about one of the now departed county players getting a drink driving ban?

From the outside looking in, there is something wrong with the mindset of Cavan football. For the last 7/8 years there have been plenty of lads dropping off panels when Cavan should have been looking at an upward trajectory. They have not had their best hand at any stage in the past decade, a lot of players have not been buying in like they have in other counties.

I wouldn't begrudge any young lad wanting to follow other pursuits but the large volume of drop outs in Cavan would suggest there is a bad culture in place there for the guts of the past decade.

100% right

Yet in Cavan players are protected and manager gets blamed for everything. Maybe look it can tell us why players were dropped from the panel before our last home match against Dublin last year?

In Kerry no one talks about you until you've won a couple of all Ireland's. In Cavan play a couple of good games and then leave and the longer you are gone the more amazing a player you are. And of course it's the managers fault you are gone too. If only if only if only.

We won 4 Ulster u21s in a row, only the very successful Tyrone team did that. Where are they all now, is it really because of a succession of bad managers that our ulster winners have now been overtaken by players from Tyrone and donegal, players they beat over and over at u21. How can that ridiculous assertion stand up to scrutiny?
What in God's name is this tangent about?
I don't even know where to start with your posts they are so scatter gun.
Where is the rampant party culture or indiscipline in the last few panels? Stop making stuff up.
Other counties have had similar historic drop-out problems before this mess. Stop exaggerating.
And regardless implementing an absolutely crazy workload would hardly improve the rate.
We are a small county who have been in Division 1/2 for good few years. Something to be built on, not going absolutely mental with players trying to paint them in a bad light and justifying the abuse some've been getting. Some Cavan people need to grow up.
Fitness is not what has been holding us back. Our big game problems lie in first 20 mins, not last.
Strength and conditioning takes years to improve. Losing experience and dogging young lads just in will not achieve results.

We had a bad day at the office. Irony of ironies it was our worst performance I can think of in a very long time in terms of discipline and fitness against a team we should be competing with. We looked very flat.

The Big S has some things to sort out. Winnable game next week. It's very important we see some sort of reaction. A few repeat performances of Saturday and he'll need more than words.   
 

Why were players dropped from match day squad before our last game last year
What did players do following Ulster final with only a week or two to prepare for Tyrone
Why is Conor Rehill not on the panel this year after an impressive 1st year.

Answers on a postcard....
An unfortunate decision but who paid for the bus Mr ITK?
That's all you can come up? Still haven't explained the rampant party culture and lack of discipline.
I expect you'd say anything to defend management. Your posts have been implying that a bad core have been rooted out, a core that were unwilling to put in the work to get up to speed S&C wise. Maybe that's not your intention but that's how they're coming across.
 The players we've lost are the best we've had in that department so clearly they have walked the walk and are not afraid of hard work and have worked harder than most. If we don't coax some of them back we'll not see the top end of D2 for a good while so I hope management are not thinking like you.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 27, 2020, 11:45:49 AM
I can come up with more but I will leave it at that, at the end of the day if fellas dont want to do what it takes that is their call. Just dont expect me to blame Mickey Graham or Terry Hyland or every other manager we've had.

For the record I hope those do come back but it should be on Mickey's terms, not theirs.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 27, 2020, 01:33:48 PM
I can come up with more but I will leave it at that, at the end of the day if fellas dont want to do what it takes that is their call. Just dont expect me to blame Mickey Graham or Terry Hyland or every other manager we've had.

For the record I hope those do come back but it should be on Mickey's terms, not theirs.
Come up with more? Wow you're really coming across as having some kind of agenda.
 Don't know where the TH angle is coming from. An excellent manager who always had the players' best interests at heart and who had a good gauge on squad mindset. Could have stayed on but felt himself a different voice was needed.
 MG is the manager and can do what he wants. Players are their own people, have a life outside the game and can do what they want. Good management is not about blame or walking around with a shotgun like the boss on a chain gang. Good management is about compromise and trying to maximize resources at your disposal.
 Time will tell where this management lie. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and come July the picture will be clearer. If we see a marked improvement in performances/results then fair play to him. I don't believe it though and think what they are doing is irresponsible and counter productive. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. If I'm right then this management need to change or be held accountable. Same as it works in every walk of life.
 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: giveballaghback on January 27, 2020, 01:46:38 PM
What will be very interesting in how the narrative will change week to week and also the sneerers.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 27, 2020, 01:57:20 PM
I can come up with more but I will leave it at that, at the end of the day if fellas dont want to do what it takes that is their call. Just dont expect me to blame Mickey Graham or Terry Hyland or every other manager we've had.

For the record I hope those do come back but it should be on Mickey's terms, not theirs.
Come up with more? Wow you're really coming across as having some kind of agenda.
 Don't know where the TH angle is coming from. An excellent manager who always had the players' best interests at heart and who had a good gauge on squad mindset. Could have stayed on but felt himself a different voice was needed.
 MG is the manager and can do what he wants. Players are their own people, have a life outside the game and can do what they want. Good management is not about blame or walking around with a shotgun like the boss on a chain gang. Good management is about compromise and trying to maximize resources at your disposal.
 Time will tell where this management lie. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and come July the picture will be clearer. If we see a marked improvement in performances/results then fair play to him. I don't believe it though and think what they are doing is irresponsible and counter productive. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. If I'm right then this management need to change or be held accountable. Same as it works in every walk of life.

You said "Thats all you can come up with?" I said "I can come up with more" meaning there are plenty of other examples I could paste up here if I wanted to. Its not that difficult to understand. The Terry Hyland "angle" is that some of the lads that now cannot commit and wont commit are the same lads that suggested to Terry it would be a good idea if he moved on for the betterment of the team.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: rodney trotter on January 27, 2020, 02:22:35 PM
It's not at the levels of the Tommy Carr days, picking uo players at Oxegen on the way to playing Wicklow, but could have been better too.
The League final defeats against Tyrone in 16 and Roscommon in 18, they enjoyed a session for a few days.  The same after Ulster final.
It's the problem with social media putting pics up which doesn't help. Lots of Counties probaly the same
Donegal pre McGuinness were the same
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 27, 2020, 02:43:29 PM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 27, 2020, 02:58:46 PM
It's not at the levels of the Tommy Carr days, picking uo players at Oxegen on the way to playing Wicklow, but could have been better too.
The League final defeats against Tyrone in 16 and Roscommon in 18, they enjoyed a session for a few days.  The same after Ulster final.
It's the problem with social media putting pics up which doesn't help. Lots of Counties probaly the same
Donegal pre McGuinness were the same
PL players enjoy a drink. Top level Rugby players enjoy a drink. Needs to be kept in check and lot let get out of hand but it can also be an important part of blowing off steam.
No issue with peoples' different views on management styles or football philosophy but to describe the Cavan panel of the last few years as a rampant party culture is blatant lies. This I have an issue with.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on January 27, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
I'm sure Cavan had an economical party culture.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: CroŪ na h…ireann on January 27, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
Important 2 points for Westmeath yesterday. Were solid enough defensively apart from hesitating for their goal. Need to be more careful tackling when there's a free taker like Tubridy around to punish you. Took our goal chances well when we got in behind them but didn't create enough point scoring chances. Should have closed the game out when we got the second goal and not have to chase the winner in injury time. Good to have Ray Connellan back in the maroon, McGivney is showing well too. Cavan will be sore the next day and expect one hell of a battle under lights, won't be much in it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on January 27, 2020, 03:39:08 PM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Armagh have struggled with Laois in the past can't see this being any different, Cavan couldn't improve that much in a week to get anything against Westmeath.  Clare - Kildare could be a close one but I would say Roscommon will take Fermanagh easily enough.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on January 27, 2020, 03:59:51 PM
The Big S has some things to sort out. Winnable game next week. It's very important we see some sort of reaction. A few repeat performances of Saturday and he'll need more than words.   

Training regimes this time of year can have a big effect on performances. Cavan may well have decided not to focus on Armagh away, but to focus on getting the points in other games.

Cavan were playing Armagh not Dublin, how does that make any sense?

While not Dublin, Armagh are right now a bit better than Cavan. Westmeath next week are probably not.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 27, 2020, 04:49:40 PM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Armagh have struggled with Laois in the past can't see this being any different, Cavan couldn't improve that much in a week to get anything against Westmeath.  Clare - Kildare could be a close one but I would say Roscommon will take Fermanagh easily enough.

Armagh should win in closer contest than Saturday night. Kildare should beat Clare who are without their two most important players. Cavan at home need a reaction and might grab a draw. Roscommon couldn't beat Laois at home it will be a surprise if they beat Fermanagh in Enniskillen Unbeaten there in the league for about 3 years?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 27, 2020, 05:04:30 PM
Regarding next Saturday, it will very much also depend on where we are with injured players. Madden who is our main scoring threat these days went off injured as did Conor Smith. Niall Murray (who is one of the best players we have left) didnt feature at all nor did his brother Stephen - both would be in our 1st team 15. If we start next Saturday without those 4 players then Westmeath have a great chance of a win. With those 4 players I would expect a reaction and a narrow win.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 27, 2020, 05:33:43 PM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Armagh have struggled with Laois in the past can't see this being any different, Cavan couldn't improve that much in a week to get anything against Westmeath.  Clare - Kildare could be a close one but I would say Roscommon will take Fermanagh easily enough.
Not on yesterday's disjointed insipid showing :-\
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 27, 2020, 10:09:13 PM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Armagh have struggled with Laois in the past can't see this being any different, Cavan couldn't improve that much in a week to get anything against Westmeath.  Clare - Kildare could be a close one but I would say Roscommon will take Fermanagh easily enough.
Division 2 can be very unpredictable with performances often varying drastically from week to week. You often see a big change in form especially after the break of the first three games. I certainly hope this to be the case this year.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 28, 2020, 11:14:17 AM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Armagh have struggled with Laois in the past can't see this being any different, Cavan couldn't improve that much in a week to get anything against Westmeath.  Clare - Kildare could be a close one but I would say Roscommon will take Fermanagh easily enough.
Division 2 can be very unpredictable with performances often varying drastically from week to week. You often see a big change in form especially after the break of the first three games. I certainly hope this to be the case this year.

I don't think that will be the case this year. Counties will have to be consistent from the first game as maintaining D2 status as a priority in order to play in this years All Ireland. The second objective would be to gain D1 status as this guarantees All Ireland football for 2 seasons...If my understanding of the new structure is correct.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 28, 2020, 11:24:13 AM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Armagh have struggled with Laois in the past can't see this being any different, Cavan couldn't improve that much in a week to get anything against Westmeath.  Clare - Kildare could be a close one but I would say Roscommon will take Fermanagh easily enough.
Division 2 can be very unpredictable with performances often varying drastically from week to week. You often see a big change in form especially after the break of the first three games. I certainly hope this to be the case this year.

I don't think that will be the case this year. Counties will have to be consistent from the first game as maintaining D2 status as a priority in order to play in this years All Ireland. The second objective would be to gain D1 status as this guarantees All Ireland football for 2 seasons...If my understanding of the new structure is correct.

Exactly, any team making a bad start is in big trouble. Listened to the wearecavan podcast yesterday and it appears the 4 guys I mentioned earlier have muscle injuries which makes them very doubtful for a game 7 days later. If Cavan were to lose to Westmeath we would be in big trouble.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 28, 2020, 11:47:17 AM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Armagh have struggled with Laois in the past can't see this being any different, Cavan couldn't improve that much in a week to get anything against Westmeath.  Clare - Kildare could be a close one but I would say Roscommon will take Fermanagh easily enough.
Division 2 can be very unpredictable with performances often varying drastically from week to week. You often see a big change in form especially after the break of the first three games. I certainly hope this to be the case this year.

I don't think that will be the case this year. Counties will have to be consistent from the first game as maintaining D2 status as a priority in order to play in this years All Ireland. The second objective would be to gain D1 status as this guarantees All Ireland football for 2 seasons...If my understanding of the new structure is correct.
You are correct on the structures. I don't know how much this will change how teams approach their training regimes though. Often teams are fatigued for the first few games from heavy workload. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 28, 2020, 12:42:30 PM
Ding ding round 2.

Saturday
Laois v Armagh, O'Moore Park, 6pm
Cavan v Westmeath, Breffni Park, 7pm

Sunday
Clare v Kildare, Cusack Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Roscommon, Brewster Park, 2pm

Armagh have struggled with Laois in the past can't see this being any different, Cavan couldn't improve that much in a week to get anything against Westmeath.  Clare - Kildare could be a close one but I would say Roscommon will take Fermanagh easily enough.
Division 2 can be very unpredictable with performances often varying drastically from week to week. You often see a big change in form especially after the break of the first three games. I certainly hope this to be the case this year.

I don't think that will be the case this year. Counties will have to be consistent from the first game as maintaining D2 status as a priority in order to play in this years All Ireland. The second objective would be to gain D1 status as this guarantees All Ireland football for 2 seasons...If my understanding of the new structure is correct.
You are correct on the structures. I don't know how much this will change how teams approach their training regimes though. Often teams are fatigued for the first few games from heavy workload.

Teams would have had to adjust their training schedules accordingly. It may be possible that teams It would be unwise not to as there is a huge risk if it doesn't pay off i.e. no All Ireland championship. I wouldn't rely on reaching the provincial finals either, especially Armagh who have Derry and then a potential meeting with Donegal or Tyrone.

Armagh - Derry then Donegal/Tyrone
Cavan - Monaghan, Antrim then Fermanagh/Down
Kildare - Carlow/Offaly then Meath/Wexford/Wicklow
Clare - Tipperary then Limerick/Waterford
Fermanagh - Down then Cavan/Monaghan/Antrim
Westmeath - Dublin
Laois - Louth/Longford then Dublin/Westmeath

The only team that I think who would have a chance of making a final should they be relegated would be Clare.

On a side note, I am glad the GAA is back as it makes work a little more bearable.





Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 28, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
Ros are in D2 as well ;)
We have London and then Mayowestros so relegation would more than likely mean the B/2 Championship.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 28, 2020, 12:57:31 PM
Ros are in D2 as well ;)
We have London and then Mayowestros so relegation would mire than likely Jean the B/2 Championship.

Just forgot to type it in - I believe they have London and then a possible Semi Final with Mayo or Leitrim?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 28, 2020, 01:46:36 PM
For teams in the 8-20 ranking bracket championship is more often than not a damp squib once you lose first game.
Personally if Cavan are in Division 3 and lose to Monaghan I wouldn't be too despondent about facing into B championship. I'd actually see the benefits long term of possibly getting to a reasonable profile final against a decent opponent instead of just seeing the season peter out with tepid following.
Anyone else the same? 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 28, 2020, 02:08:03 PM
For teams in the 8-20 ranking bracket championship is more often than not a damp squib once you lose first game.
Personally if Cavan are in Division 3 and lose to Monaghan I wouldn't be too despondent about facing into B championship. I'd actually see the benefits long term of possibly getting to a reasonable profile final against a decent opponent instead of just seeing the season peter out with tepid following.
Anyone else the same?

I fear that the two tiered championship is going to show how significant the differences are. Since the use of the super 8's it has shown how significant differences are between D1 and D2 teams with the odd D3 team thrown in. In my opinion the same thing will happen with a second tier system.

Championship structures within the GAA have always been flawed and they seem to find ways to worsen it.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: five points on January 28, 2020, 02:18:55 PM
For teams in the 8-20 ranking bracket championship is more often than not a damp squib once you lose first game.
Personally if Cavan are in Division 3 and lose to Monaghan I wouldn't be too despondent about facing into B championship. I'd actually see the benefits long term of possibly getting to a reasonable profile final against a decent opponent instead of just seeing the season peter out with tepid following.
Anyone else the same?

Cavan treated the Tommy Murphy Cup with utter contempt when it was in vogue. This time around there might be a ripple or two if we happened to stumble into a final but more than likely we'd find it hard to field a team in the first round.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 28, 2020, 02:26:44 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: five points on January 28, 2020, 02:36:54 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?
A bihatimber, I guess?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: BennyCake on January 28, 2020, 03:00:26 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?

A 45 second highlights package on TSG.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 28, 2020, 03:13:05 PM
I don't think the incentives of the back door are that obvious either apart from the extra games which you get anyway.
Plenty of players have shown contempt for the qualifiers down through the years.
It's a new format and maybe not as much a feel of a leper colony about it as the Tommy Murphy Cup had. The landscape has changed a bit over the last 10 years too so there might be a bit more of an appetite this time round. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on January 28, 2020, 03:18:41 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?

A Croke Park final we are told and will be live on TV. I'll be very surprised if counties going into the Tommy Murphy don't have a bigger increase on opt outs.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2020, 03:26:10 PM
For teams in the 8-20 ranking bracket championship is more often than not a damp squib once you lose first game.
Personally if Cavan are in Division 3 and lose to Monaghan I wouldn't be too despondent about facing into B championship. I'd actually see the benefits long term of possibly getting to a reasonable profile final against a decent opponent instead of just seeing the season peter out with tepid following.
Anyone else the same?

Will have about the same interest and importance has a Division 3 league final.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on January 28, 2020, 03:32:16 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?

A 45 second highlights package on TSG.

If that, a joke of a competition.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: BennyCake on January 28, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?

A Croke Park final we are told and will be live on TV. I'll be very surprised if counties going into the Tommy Murphy don't have a bigger increase on opt outs.

The Timmy Murphy final was at Croke Park and live on TV. Tier 2 will decimate county football in 20-odd counties.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 28, 2020, 04:03:07 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?

A Croke Park final we are told and will be live on TV. I'll be very surprised if counties going into the Tommy Murphy don't have a bigger increase on opt outs.

The Timmy Murphy final was at Croke Park and live on TV. Tier 2 will decimate county football in 20-odd counties.

They should have just created North, East, South and West conferences. Instead we have something much worse in place.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: BennyCake on January 28, 2020, 04:13:28 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?

A Croke Park final we are told and will be live on TV. I'll be very surprised if counties going into the Tommy Murphy don't have a bigger increase on opt outs.

The Timmy Murphy final was at Croke Park and live on TV. Tier 2 will decimate county football in 20-odd counties.

They should have just created North, East, South and West conferences. Instead we have something much worse in place.

Thatís not much difference to the provincials. Open draw is the only way. Never going to happen though.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: DuffleKing on January 28, 2020, 04:14:31 PM
Why is the worthiness of any competition measured by the TV coverage? That seems a mental approach within an amateur association. Not many county finals shown on TV - does that weaken their impact on the competitors or supporters?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on January 28, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?

A Croke Park final we are told and will be live on TV. I'll be very surprised if counties going into the Tommy Murphy don't have a bigger increase on opt outs.

The Timmy Murphy final was at Croke Park and live on TV. Tier 2 will decimate county football in 20-odd counties.

They should have just created North, East, South and West conferences. Instead we have something much worse in place.

Thatís not much difference to the provincials. Open draw is the only way. Never going to happen though.

Do teams in D3 and D4 who get to their provincial finals go into the tier 1 competition or do they stay in tier 2?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
What incentives are there for winning the tier 2 championship?

A Croke Park final we are told and will be live on TV. I'll be very surprised if counties going into the Tommy Murphy don't have a bigger increase on opt outs.

The Timmy Murphy final was at Croke Park and live on TV. Tier 2 will decimate county football in 20-odd counties.

They should have just created North, East, South and West conferences. Instead we have something much worse in place.

Thatís not much difference to the provincials. Open draw is the only way. Never going to happen though.

Do teams in D3 and D4 who get to their provincial finals go into the tier 1 competition or do they stay in tier 2?
Tier 1. As ever provincial final loser play round 3 winners in round 4 of the qualifiers.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 28, 2020, 06:34:43 PM
It will now be the Round 1 winners playing the Provincial losers in Round 2.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on January 28, 2020, 10:43:04 PM
It will now be the Round 1 winners playing the Provincial losers in Round 2.

Which would make round 1 of the qualifiers a fairly evenly matched affair. The really strong teams, Dublin Kerry etc will not be involved, there will be no Div 3/4 minnows, and there might not be much between any teams playing.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: giveballaghback on January 28, 2020, 10:58:10 PM
Winner of tier 2 qualifies for the tier 1 championship the following year regardless of league position.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 29, 2020, 12:28:45 PM
Time will tell if it gets traction. Chance of provincial success however slim is still there so no change on that front.
Think the Super 8's have killed any real hope for counties having a one off wonder after provincials.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 29, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Meanwhile back in Division 2.......
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on January 29, 2020, 12:40:12 PM
Cavan V Westmeath - Going to be a tough one for us. Hoping for Cavan win but think Westmeath to shade it.
Laois v Armagh - Another tight call. Armagh tails up but will find the going tougher. I'll go for Armagh just.
Clare V Kildare - Home advantage to Clare but think Kildare will have too much.
Fermanagh V Roscommon - Brewster a tough place to go to. Draw.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on January 29, 2020, 02:34:39 PM

Cavan V Westmeath - Going to be a tough one  Westmeath to shade it.
Laois v Armagh -  Armagh tails up, as good a panel as Mc Geeney has since he started, fancy them to make a statement in division 2 this year and crash in the championship, armagh hy 6 .
Clare V Kildare -  Kildare will have too much, can see 3/4 in it.
Fermanagh V Roscommon - Fermanagh to win this.

fancy kildare and armagh to stretch away from the pack
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on January 29, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
From this weekend I reckon

Armagh by 6 points
Cavan by 1 point
Kildare by 3 points
Draw in Fermanagh
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 29, 2020, 03:23:55 PM
We have struggled recently against Laois. Will take a scrappy 1 point win
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: skeog on January 29, 2020, 03:43:19 PM
Armagh,Kildare,Westmeath and Fermanagh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Dire Ear on January 29, 2020, 05:02:18 PM
Cavan V Westmeath - Going to be a tough one for us. Hoping for Cavan win but think Westmeath to shade it.
Laois v Armagh - Another tight call. Armagh tails up but will find the going tougher. I'll go for Armagh just.
Clare V Kildare - Home advantage to Clare but think Kildare will have too much.
Fermanagh V Roscommon - Brewster a tough place to go to. Draw.

Cavan V Westmeath - Going to be a tough one  Westmeath to shade it.
Laois v Armagh -  Armagh tails up, as good a panel as Mc Geeney has since he started, fancy them to make a statement in division 2 this year and crash in the championship, armagh hy 6 .
Clare V Kildare -  Kildare will have too much, can see 3/4 in it.
Fermanagh V Roscommon - Fermanagh to win this.

fancy kildare and armagh to stretch away from the pack

Very similar!!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on January 30, 2020, 04:54:26 PM
Cavan V Westmeath - Draw
Laois v Armagh - Armagh by 3
Clare V Kildare - Kildare by 4
Fermanagh V Roscommon -Rossies by 2
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 31, 2020, 01:17:31 PM
We've hardly an uninjured defender left on the panel so I think our main focus will be trying to avoid the dreaded drop/B Championship :-\.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: oliverkelly on January 31, 2020, 01:54:53 PM
That should be the only aim now given what we are missing.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rudi on January 31, 2020, 02:05:10 PM
No team not even Dublin could sustain our losses.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on January 31, 2020, 02:13:45 PM
No team not even Dublin could sustain our losses.

I counted eight championship starters Roscommon were missing last weekend and I presume it will be the same for this trip to Fermanagh.


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: oliverkelly on January 31, 2020, 02:57:18 PM
No team not even Dublin could sustain our losses.

I counted eight championship starters Roscommon were missing last weekend and I presume it will be the same for this trip to Fermanagh.

O'Malley
Mullooly
Hussey
Ronan Daly
Devanney
Harney
Murtagh
Cox

All missing who were starters when available last year.  Add in McInerney,McManus,Ciaran Murtagh and Fintan Cregg its a very weakened panel at the moment.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on January 31, 2020, 03:09:51 PM
No team not even Dublin could sustain our losses.

I counted eight championship starters Roscommon were missing last weekend and I presume it will be the same for this trip to Fermanagh.

O'Malley
Mullooly
Hussey
Ronan Daly
Devanney
Harney
Murtagh
Cox

All missing who were starters when available last year.  Add in McInerney,McManus,Ciaran Murtagh and Fintan Cregg its a very weakened panel at the moment.
Andy Glennon who started v Mayo last summer another I counted. Chance of promotion is likely gone with that long list of missing players and as you said saying in division 2 will likely be the priority now.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on January 31, 2020, 03:28:07 PM
Where the best place to park around O'Moore Park, hoping to get there about 4.30ish.  Is there any car parks close to the ground or are you as well racking up at the side of the road?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 31, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Armagh have names an unchanged team
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on January 31, 2020, 08:46:43 PM
Armagh have names an unchanged team

Suspect this will be same team named for each round.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Oraisteach on February 01, 2020, 02:27:30 AM
Anyone know what radio station will carry the Laois vs.,Armagh match? Thanks.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: thegreeenandgold on February 01, 2020, 06:44:44 AM
Midlands 103 get in on the net
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 01, 2020, 06:42:51 PM
Armagh fairly awful tonight and can't complain that they find themselves 6 points down at half time.

All over Laois 0-16 Armagh 0-10. 8 points each 2nd half. A game lost in the first half and a defeat that could be blessing in disguise for Armagh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: The PRO on February 01, 2020, 07:33:52 PM
We have some record against Armagh. 😉
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: laoislad on February 01, 2020, 07:35:06 PM
Laois win, hardly a shock we always beat Armagh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on February 01, 2020, 07:38:32 PM
Evan O'Carroll showing glimpses of what he's capable of again. That result could nearly see Laois safe because Armagh and Roscommon are two of the toughest fixtures on paper
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on February 01, 2020, 07:54:01 PM
Laois played a solid game, doing a lot of the simple stuff right. Armagh were a disgrace in the first half and patchy in the second. At least they must know they were bad and that this won't do, at all.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on February 01, 2020, 07:57:15 PM
Great result against the odds for Laois. 3 points gained from two of their toughest games on paper and with Cavan (H) Clare (A) Kildare (H) Westmeath (A) Fermanagh (A) to play they might set their sights higher than just staying up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 01, 2020, 08:52:19 PM
Big big comeback and result for Cavan that
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: giveballaghback on February 01, 2020, 11:48:54 PM
Armagh host Kildare next week, if they don't win that they are staying in div2.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on February 02, 2020, 12:06:45 AM
Armagh host Kildare next week, if they don't win that they are staying in div2.

Div 2 is probably where they should be, on tonight's performance.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: LCohen on February 02, 2020, 08:30:37 AM
Armagh fans should be provided with 2 templates to post.

One for when the forwards play with confidence and click and therefore out score the inevitable concession of scores when you have no defensive system other than backtrack towards your own goal.

The other for when the confidence in the attacking threat collapses, balls donít get hit early, incisive fowards barely get into the game, confidence drains and players retreat literally and metaphorically. We probably concede even more in this scenario and have little to off set it with at the other end.

Last night was incredibly disappointing and frustrating. Laois were fully deserving of their win. Looked like they have worked hard over the winter. Well set up for the modern game and try to work their threats into the game.

None of that could be said about us based on that performance.

There is a disease in football and we seem to be the victim of a particularly virulent strain. Players seem to think that if you run back itís not your fault when we concede scores - you have done your bit. When you run back into the defensive line and make a poor tackle leading to conceding a score that there is some virtue in having run back. When in possession if you lay the ball off sideways and retain possession you have done the right thing - the riskier forward ball is best left to someone else after time has been wasted, opposition defence is set up and forward has lost all his advantages.

Our defensive frailties were exposed last night but not the week before. They were there on both occasions. The difference last night was that the attacking game imploded.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 02, 2020, 08:35:09 AM
Armagh host Kildare next week, if they don't win that they are staying in div2.

If we donít win then we will have a fight to stay in division 2
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: keeperlit on February 02, 2020, 09:37:48 AM
Armagh host Kildare next week, if they don't win that they are staying in div2.

Staying in division 2 would be a result. I fear we could end up in div 3.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 02, 2020, 09:40:14 AM
Armagh fans should be provided with 2 templates to post...Ö.

ÖÖ..Our defensive frailties were exposed last night but not the week before. They were there on both occasions. The difference last night was that the attacking game imploded.

Great post and bang on the money.

Armagh host Kildare next week, if they don't win that they are staying in div2.
If we donít win then we will have a fight to stay in division 2

Genuinely don't understand the attitude of some Armagh fans who think we will be really pushing for promotion. I'd love if we were, but I have not seen any evidence to suggest that will be the case. Hopefully last night will serve as a reality check.

Edited to say: Just realised that giveballaghback is not an Armagh fan, but the belief I referred to is prevalent in a lot of our supporters.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 02, 2020, 09:46:16 AM

Genuinely don't understand the attitude of some Armagh fans who think we will be really pushing for promotion. I'd love if we were, but I have not seen any evidence to suggest that will be the case. Hopefully last night will serve as a reality check.

Nail on head, speaking to a lot of fans prior to game last night there was an air of optimism in regards of promotion,  last night shows it would be a slaughtering session in Division 1.  The defensive frailties are there for all to see, the kick outs never improve, the soft frees and the back chat to get frees moved up were inexcusable, can't understand why it took Geezer so long to make changes, Donaghy is too slow in my opinion - second to everything, though he was not the reason Armagh were given a trimming last night.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 02, 2020, 09:56:28 AM
Armagh fans should be provided with 2 templates to post...Ö.

ÖÖ..Our defensive frailties were exposed last night but not the week before. They were there on both occasions. The difference last night was that the attacking game imploded.

Great post and bang on the money.

Armagh host Kildare next week, if they don't win that they are staying in div2.
If we donít win then we will have a fight to stay in division 2

Genuinely don't understand the attitude of some Armagh fans who think we will be really pushing for promotion. I'd love if we were, but I have not seen any evidence to suggest that will be the case. Hopefully last night will serve as a reality check.

Edited to say: Just realised that giveballaghback is not an Armagh fan, but the belief I referred to is prevalent in a lot of our supporters.

I fully agree mate. We arenít a division one side. Our forwards may be division one standard. If and when they click but thatís it. Number one priority has to be staying in division 2. Anything else is a bonus
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Throw ball on February 02, 2020, 10:04:04 AM

Genuinely don't understand the attitude of some Armagh fans who think we will be really pushing for promotion. I'd love if we were, but I have not seen any evidence to suggest that will be the case. Hopefully last night will serve as a reality check.

Nail on head, speaking to a lot of fans prior to game last night there was an air of optimism in regards of promotion,  last night shows it would be a slaughtering session in Division 1.  The defensive frailties are there for all to see, the kick outs never improve, the soft frees and the back chat to get frees moved up were inexcusable, can't understand why it took Geezer so long to make changes, Donaghy is too slow in my opinion - second to everything, though he was not the reason Armagh were given a trimming last night.

While I agree with most of what you say I feel you are completely wrong about Donaghy even if yesterday was not his best outing. He is critical to any defensive shape Armagh do have. I am also convinced that if he hadn't have gotten himself sent of in Cavan match last summer then Armagh would have made an Ulster Final. The bigger problem is that considering his age that doesn't augur well for our defence in the next year or 2.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 02, 2020, 10:39:20 AM
Time to hit the narrow twisty windy roads of Laythrum, and West Cavan plus the pothole road of Fermanagh to see can we take a step nearer D1 or will it be D3....
I hear a good few went up last night.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: LCohen on February 02, 2020, 11:06:14 AM

Genuinely don't understand the attitude of some Armagh fans who think we will be really pushing for promotion. I'd love if we were, but I have not seen any evidence to suggest that will be the case. Hopefully last night will serve as a reality check.

Nail on head, speaking to a lot of fans prior to game last night there was an air of optimism in regards of promotion,  last night shows it would be a slaughtering session in Division 1.  The defensive frailties are there for all to see, the kick outs never improve, the soft frees and the back chat to get frees moved up were inexcusable, can't understand why it took Geezer so long to make changes, Donaghy is too slow in my opinion - second to everything, though he was not the reason Armagh were given a trimming last night.

If the height of our capabilities is to yo-yo between top of Division 2 and bottom of Division 1 and taking the odd trimming along the way then we should be doing all we can to get there. Division 1 is not something to be avoided

But Laois isnít one of the sides that should be giving us a trimming along the way.

In the first instance kick outs and the Full Back - sweeper - CHB axis needs to be sorted. Would be very surprised if Brendan Donaghy does not remain our best answer to either of the latter two positions.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 02, 2020, 11:59:32 AM
Huge win for us last night. Absolutely atrocious in the first half, possibly the worst 35 mins I've ever seen from Cavan. Scored after a minute, didn't score again for 30 minutes or hardly left our own half either. The introduction of Thomas Galligan to midfield and Stephen Murray made a massive impact as they tore into westmesth and had it level, then westmeath no 8 was reintroduced after a sin binning and they hit 1-2 without reply and with an extra man (cavan lost a man to a ridiculously soft straight red after 25 mins). Cavan reeled in the ultra defensive westmeath and got the goal near in injury time to seal it. Super fight back and a massive boost for the young players especially who have clearly been feeling the pressure. Well done to them.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 02, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
Div2 is pure carnage

Clare beat Kildare by a point
Fermanagh beat Ros by a point.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: larryin89 on February 02, 2020, 03:49:45 PM
Iím a little unsure of how things work for tier two championship, if ros were relegated and failed to reach Connacht final would that mean they are tier two for championship?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: MayoBuck on February 02, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
Iím a little unsure of how things work for tier two championship, if ros were relegated and failed to reach Connacht final would that mean they are tier two for championship?

Yes
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on February 02, 2020, 04:00:20 PM
Team               P   W   D   L   Dif   Pts
Laois               2   1   1    0      6    3
Armagh           2   1   0    1      7    2
Kildare            2   1   0    1      3    2
Clare               2   1   0    1      0    2
Fermanagh      2   1   0    1      -3    2
Westmeath      2   1   0    1      -3    2
Cavan             2   1   0    1      -9    2
Roscommon    2   0   1    1      -1    1

Gotta love this Division. That's the table by my reckoning.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 02, 2020, 04:48:31 PM
Follow @gaaleaguetables on twitter for all your football and hurling tables
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on February 02, 2020, 04:49:03 PM
Round 2 confirms we have a highly competitive division 2 with plenty of twists and turns ahead.

Well done Fermanagh and Clare on their wins against the odds today.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 02, 2020, 07:54:57 PM
8 points could get you promoted 6 points could get you relegated....
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 02, 2020, 08:02:57 PM
2nd week in a row we fk up a 6 point lead as we produce a 2nd half horror show.
Once Fermanagh started to play a bit we couldn't stop them as our lack of midfield and poor defence came to haunt us.
We're bottom of the League, lost yet another player to injury -Shane Killoran right after the throw in.
No sign of any of the injured lads playing any time soon.
We'll be gone from "Super8s" to not so super Tier 2 in 10 months at this rate.
I suppose if we have to lose might as well be to Fermanagh who are the nicest crowd of folks you could meet.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rudi on February 02, 2020, 08:29:25 PM
I would agree with all of that Rosfan, we rarely get a result in Brewster, still love the ground. Great atmosphere and the locals are fantastic. Even Arlene impressed me on the late late the other night. :) ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 02, 2020, 08:33:42 PM
That was some second half display today.
We scored 10 points in a half of football.
It's been a while since we have done that .

We showed Roscommon far too much repect in the first half. We defended too deep, let them have an easy short kickout, let them build from the back  and gave away 5 frees through terrible tackling

Second half was a completely different story.
We pushed up on the Roscommon kickout which meant they had to go long. We easily had the upper hand in midfield and started to work ourselves into the game. We turned them over and we left men up the field .  We committed to the attack and went at Roscommon.
We also kicked some lovely scores. Conal Jones and Ciaran Corrigan are proving to be a very capable full forward line and both kicked some very crucial scores.
A very important 2 points considering the rest of the results this weekend.
Massive game next weekend away to Westmeath.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: macdanger2 on February 02, 2020, 10:24:05 PM
F*cking Armagh, only team of 5 to let me down  >:( Thought they were a banker
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on February 02, 2020, 10:33:45 PM
F*cking Armagh, only team of 5 to let me down  >:( Thought they were a banker

Rule of thumb, Armagh are never a banker no matter who they play ... Armaghís opposition are also never a banker .... all depends on what Armagh show up .... best avoided in any bet.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on February 02, 2020, 10:49:36 PM
Impressed by Laois last night, no. 15 Evan OíCarroll is a class act.  Was good to see Ross Munnelly coming on ... how many years has he been lining out for Laois at this stage.

Armagh poor apart from a few minutes at start of second half when they pulled it back to three.  Being sat amongst a large Armagh contingent, a lot of complaints about the ref ... thoughts on the ref last night?  Laois deserving winners through and through irrespective.

With the other results today, Div 2 going to be on a knife edge right up to the last round.  Next weekend v Kildare is now a must win game for Armagh ... and Kildare.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Throw ball on February 02, 2020, 11:05:38 PM
Thoughts on Referee. He was out of his depth. For the most part you had to wait for him to point before you knew which way the free was going. His timekeeping was extremely suspect too. To his credit though he wasnt biased- he got things wrong for both teams.

The great problem with Gealic football - who is the referee seems to determine how the rules are applied. Last week Armagh played a physical game with Cavan with no real angst among the players. Yesterday chess looked more physical and players - most particularly Armagh players - got extremely frustrated with the decisions.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: High Fielder on February 02, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
Armagh looked over worked to me. McGeeney does that occasionally and McNulty did it a few times when he was over us. We took to the pitch one day against Louth and we couldn't move. Armagh looked over conditioned and slow. It was noticeable how much shirt pulling they engaged in, and the break was a real problem for them. They had obvious advantages in midfield, and used it sparingly. I was delighted and surprised to get the win, but seriously underwhelmed by Armagh. They're better than that I'd imagine
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2020, 11:44:10 PM
Thoughts on Referee. He was out of his depth. For the most part you had to wait for him to point before you knew which way the free was going. His timekeeping was extremely suspect too. To his credit though he wasnt biased- he got things wrong for both teams.

The great problem with Gealic football - who is the referee seems to determine how the rules are applied. Last week Armagh played a physical game with Cavan with no real angst among the players. Yesterday chess looked more physical and players - most particularly Armagh players - got extremely frustrated with the decisions.

So if one referee allows the more physical side of tackles go you play that way, when youíve a referee who is a stickler for not allowing rough play you adopt? Are players that thick that they canít adopt to the style of certain referees?

Youíll never get consistency, ever, players ainít consistent managers ainít consistent, different if the ref is only giving decisions one way, but if heís not then the players need to adopt to gain advantage
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Throw ball on February 03, 2020, 12:14:39 AM
Thoughts on Referee. He was out of his depth. For the most part you had to wait for him to point before you knew which way the free was going. His timekeeping was extremely suspect too. To his credit though he wasnt biased- he got things wrong for both teams.

The great problem with Gealic football - who is the referee seems to determine how the rules are applied. Last week Armagh played a physical game with Cavan with no real angst among the players. Yesterday chess looked more physical and players - most particularly Armagh players - got extremely frustrated with the decisions.

So if one referee allows the more physical side of tackles go you play that way, when youíve a referee who is a stickler for not allowing rough play you adopt? Are players that thick that they canít adopt to the style of certain referees?

Youíll never get consistency, ever, players ainít consistent managers ainít consistent, different if the ref is only giving decisions one way, but if heís not then the players need to adopt to gain advantage

It is hard to disagree with the core of your argument. What I was trying to suggest was that Cassidy, Brannigan , McQuillian, Hurson, Coldrick , Gough etc. all referee by letting a certain level of physical play go. In general they referee Division 1 games. In Division 2 they referee some games while the rest are refereed by a variety of referees that referee in a way that bears little resemblance to each other. A certain level of inconsistency is expected between referees but the general approach to the game should always be consistent.

I typed and then deleted a number of things I consider he did wrong. I deleted them because i don't want to try him on a public forum. He may become a good referee if the powers that be coach him to correct the things he is weakest on. The one thing i want to stress though is that he was equitable to both teams.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on February 03, 2020, 12:50:39 AM
Armagh looked over worked to me. McGeeney does that occasionally and McNulty did it a few times when he was over us. We took to the pitch one day against Louth and we couldn't move. Armagh looked over conditioned and slow. It was noticeable how much shirt pulling they engaged in, and the break was a real problem for them. They had obvious advantages in midfield, and used it sparingly. I was delighted and surprised to get the win, but seriously underwhelmed by Armagh. They're better than that I'd imagine

It has long been noticeable that Armagh play as if knackered one week and with more pep in their step other weeks, and that is likely related to their training regime which sometimes puts in work directed at summer fitness and not their ability to play on the following  Sunday. That won't cure the shirt pulling and general flapping around while tackling, of course.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 03, 2020, 07:38:37 AM
Armagh looked over worked to me. McGeeney does that occasionally and McNulty did it a few times when he was over us. We took to the pitch one day against Louth and we couldn't move. Armagh looked over conditioned and slow. It was noticeable how much shirt pulling they engaged in, and the break was a real problem for them. They had obvious advantages in midfield, and used it sparingly. I was delighted and surprised to get the win, but seriously underwhelmed by Armagh. They're better than that I'd imagine

It has long been noticeable that Armagh play as if knackered one week and with more pep in their step other weeks, and that is likely related to their training regime which sometimes puts in work directed at summer fitness and not their ability to play on the following  Sunday. That won't cure the shirt pulling and general flapping around while tackling, of course.

I thought the key point was how reluctant Geezer was to introduce changes, it was plain for all to see after 20 minutes time for changes, Armagh had Burns, Clarke, Morgan, Hall, Nugent, McElroy all warming the bench - how far do Armagh have to be behind before alarm bells ring?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 03, 2020, 12:11:17 PM
I could copy and paste the following every year...lol. Armagh are so consistently inconsistent it's not even funny, we can beat anyone on our day but the following week get beat easily by the team who have no right to be on the same pitch (that's only a bit of craic) but you get what i'm saying. So what's the problem? Are they over trained?, are they under trained?, are they sneaking out on the beer (highly unlikely), are they not professional enough? (doubt that). How can you be so good one week and so bad the next?
I do think Armagh are improving slowly but we are still a few players short, we seem to have a decent forward line but as i posted before another really good midfielder and more importantly 2 quality defenders, what are they thoughts on Armagh's no 1? is he good enough and if not have we a better option available.
Armagh always give you a roller-coaster ride and bar the early noughties were we were very consistent it has always been up and down for many a year and it doesn't look like it will stop anytime soon, i suppose the buzz of following them not knowing how you'll play and if you win or not will always keep you on your toes, we're the only team i know if we were 5pts up with 2 mins to play we'd be biting our nails before it was over ;D
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: redsetanta on February 03, 2020, 02:14:41 PM
Munnelly's championship debut was in 2003. Into his 18th year playing for Laois!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Unlaoised on February 03, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
Munnelly's championship debut was in 2003. Into his 18th year playing for Laois!

Some record


Talk of Roscommon missing players

Laois are .missing stacks from the panel aswell

Captain fantastic Stephen Attride
All star nominee keeper Brody
Portlaoise Gareth Dillion prob their most consistent defender in last year's.

Ex Ozzie rules player and former captain Colm Begley

Two twin Towers in Brendan Quigley and Kevin Meaney both retired just recently

Their marque forward the Giant Donie Kingston and the top scorer from play for them in last year's championship his brother Paul Kingston

The list goes on



Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on February 03, 2020, 02:55:55 PM
Munnelly's championship debut was in 2003. Into his 18th year playing for Laois!

I remember him against Armagh, All Ireland Q/Final in 2003, seems like last year!  That game was a feature event on my stag weekend .... ah times were good then.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: CroŪ na h…ireann on February 03, 2020, 03:17:07 PM
2 points left up in Cavan Saturday evening. Westmeath by far the better team in the first half, should have been more than 5 in front at half time. Indiscipline didn't help us there, didn't see what Coroon did for the black but McGivneys was 100% deserved. Cavan's changes at half time gave them fresh impetuous and they started kicking outrageous points to draw level. Getting our extra man back and Luke onto the field helped us turn the tide and should have coasted home when we went 6 up. Cavan kept kicking outrageous points for fun and we couldn't kill their momentum. Our fate was probably sealed when Ronan O'Toole got a black for reaching for a ball, the word deliberate should be underlined and in bold in the rule book. Then to cap the evening off what I presume was a mishit fisted attempt at a point went in off Carberry's leg. Lots of learnings in it for Westmeath. First thing they should look at is what Cavan did after the goal to kill the game. Something we should have done to kill Cavan's momentum in the second half when we had the extra man. Could be 2 very crucial points dropped, need to get the win next Sunday now.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 04, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
There will be some squeaky bums come Sunday evening in this Division...I suppose all winners from this weekend climb the table and all losers drop towards relegation and are under severe pressure, the table will def be interesting come Sunday evening. I suspect 1 or 2 teams tipped for promotion could find themselves in a relegation dog fight and no doubt there will be someone relegated to Div 3 who were tipped for promotion but who will it be...Armagh?, Kildare? or Roscommon?

Armagh v Kildare Draw

Roscommon v Clare home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Draw

Laois v Cavan home win

The only two predictions i'm confident off above is Rossies to beat Clare and Laois to beat Cavan, the other two were head wreckers so i sat on the fence.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 04, 2020, 11:08:57 AM
There will be some squeaky bums come Sunday evening in this Division...I suppose all winners from this weekend climb the table and all losers drop towards relegation and are under severe pressure, the table will def be interesting come Sunday evening. I suspect 1 or 2 teams tipped for promotion could find themselves in a relegation dog fight and no doubt there will be someone relegated to Div 3 who were tipped for promotion but who will it be...Armagh?, Kildare? or Roscommon?

Armagh v Kildare Draw

Roscommon v Clare home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Draw

Laois v Cavan home win

The only two predictions i'm confident off above is Rossies to beat Clare and Laois to beat Cavan, the other two were head wreckers so i sat on the fence.

I think Armagh will beat Kildare with a bit to spare
Fermanagh will beat Westmeath
Rossies will beat Clare
And I fancy Cavan to beat Laois
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rudi on February 04, 2020, 11:14:36 AM
Armagh Fermanagh Roscommon & Laois to win
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 04, 2020, 12:23:49 PM
Draw, Laois, Fermanagh, Roscommon
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: five points on February 04, 2020, 12:27:07 PM

I think Armagh will beat Kildare with a bit to spare
Fermanagh will beat Westmeath
Rossies will beat Clare
And I fancy Cavan to beat Laois

So do I, for all 4.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 04, 2020, 12:39:22 PM
There will be some squeaky bums come Sunday evening in this Division...I suppose all winners from this weekend climb the table and all losers drop towards relegation and are under severe pressure, the table will def be interesting come Sunday evening. I suspect 1 or 2 teams tipped for promotion could find themselves in a relegation dog fight and no doubt there will be someone relegated to Div 3 who were tipped for promotion but who will it be...Armagh?, Kildare? or Roscommon?

Armagh v Kildare Draw

Roscommon v Clare home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Draw

Laois v Cavan home win

The only two predictions i'm confident off above is Rossies to beat Clare and Laois to beat Cavan, the other two were head wreckers so i sat on the fence.

I think Armagh will beat Kildare with a bit to spare
Fermanagh will beat Westmeath
Rossies will beat Clare
And I fancy Cavan to beat Laois

Hello Itchy, did you watch them v Laois
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 04, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
There will be some squeaky bums come Sunday evening in this Division...I suppose all winners from this weekend climb the table and all losers drop towards relegation and are under severe pressure, the table will def be interesting come Sunday evening. I suspect 1 or 2 teams tipped for promotion could find themselves in a relegation dog fight and no doubt there will be someone relegated to Div 3 who were tipped for promotion but who will it be...Armagh?, Kildare? or Roscommon?

Armagh v Kildare Draw

Roscommon v Clare home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Draw

Laois v Cavan home win

The only two predictions i'm confident off above is Rossies to beat Clare and Laois to beat Cavan, the other two were head wreckers so i sat on the fence.

I think Armagh will beat Kildare with a bit to spare
Fermanagh will beat Westmeath
Rossies will beat Clare
And I fancy Cavan to beat Laois

Hello Itchy, did you watch them v Laois

He'd hardly go and watch his native Cavan  ;D 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 04, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
There will be some squeaky bums come Sunday evening in this Division...I suppose all winners from this weekend climb the table and all losers drop towards relegation and are under severe pressure, the table will def be interesting come Sunday evening. I suspect 1 or 2 teams tipped for promotion could find themselves in a relegation dog fight and no doubt there will be someone relegated to Div 3 who were tipped for promotion but who will it be...Armagh?, Kildare? or Roscommon?

Armagh v Kildare Draw

Roscommon v Clare home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Draw

Laois v Cavan home win

The only two predictions i'm confident off above is Rossies to beat Clare and Laois to beat Cavan, the other two were head wreckers so i sat on the fence.

I think Armagh will beat Kildare with a bit to spare
Fermanagh will beat Westmeath
Rossies will beat Clare
And I fancy Cavan to beat Laois

Hello Itchy, did you watch them v Laois

No, I was in Breffni watching Cavan. For me Kildare are over hyped as they are in Leinster and everyone wants to pretend there are coming teams that can take on the dubs. Same as Meath. Armagh have genuinely good forwards and have good enough midfielders too. I put Laois result down to over confidence and maybe over training. I believe ye will target your home games against your immediate rivals. So thats what I based it on.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 04, 2020, 05:32:16 PM
Draw, Laois, Fermanagh, Roscommon
Wouldn't be too confident in our lads I'm afraid.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on February 04, 2020, 09:53:24 PM
No, I was in Breffni watching Cavan. For me Kildare are over hyped as they are in Leinster and everyone wants to pretend there are coming teams that can take on the dubs. Same as Meath. Armagh have genuinely good forwards and have good enough midfielders too. I put Laois result down to over confidence and maybe over training. I believe ye will target your home games against your immediate rivals. So thats what I based it on.

So you don't believe that Laois have used voodoo to ensure that they always beat Armagh?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 04, 2020, 11:09:23 PM
There will be some squeaky bums come Sunday evening in this Division...I suppose all winners from this weekend climb the table and all losers drop towards relegation and are under severe pressure, the table will def be interesting come Sunday evening. I suspect 1 or 2 teams tipped for promotion could find themselves in a relegation dog fight and no doubt there will be someone relegated to Div 3 who were tipped for promotion but who will it be...Armagh?, Kildare? or Roscommon?

Armagh v Kildare Draw

Roscommon v Clare home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Draw

Laois v Cavan home win

The only two predictions i'm confident off above is Rossies to beat Clare and Laois to beat Cavan, the other two were head wreckers so i sat on the fence.

I think Armagh will beat Kildare with a bit to spare
Fermanagh will beat Westmeath
Rossies will beat Clare
And I fancy Cavan to beat Laois

Hello Itchy, did you watch them v Laois

No, I was in Breffni watching Cavan. For me Kildare are over hyped as they are in Leinster and everyone wants to pretend there are coming teams that can take on the dubs. Same as Meath. Armagh have genuinely good forwards and have good enough midfielders too. I put Laois result down to over confidence and maybe over training. I believe ye will target your home games against your immediate rivals. So thats what I based it on.

Fair enough point...just wish i had your optimism
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 04, 2020, 11:10:10 PM
No, I was in Breffni watching Cavan. For me Kildare are over hyped as they are in Leinster and everyone wants to pretend there are coming teams that can take on the dubs. Same as Meath. Armagh have genuinely good forwards and have good enough midfielders too. I put Laois result down to over confidence and maybe over training. I believe ye will target your home games against your immediate rivals. So thats what I based it on.

So you don't believe that Laois have used voodoo to ensure that they always beat Armagh?

Them hoors have had our number for some time now...sick of it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on February 05, 2020, 05:45:26 PM
A injury hit year for Roscommon. Two starters ruled our for the rest of the league. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1113235/
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 05, 2020, 06:34:03 PM
Anthony said last Sunday those 2 lads were now added to the injured list of
Mullooly, Hussey, Devaney, Harney, Glennon, C Murtagh (who might not be committing anyway)......
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 06, 2020, 08:05:29 AM
Armagh v Kildare Home win

Roscommon v Clare Home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Away win

Laois v Cavan Home win
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 06, 2020, 08:25:31 PM
The weather is supposed to be brutal on Sat/Sunday...will games go ahead and if so what impact will it. The defensive grinding teams might be happy and the teams who think they have some flair may not fancy it this weekend.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Orior on February 07, 2020, 04:42:13 AM
The weather is supposed to be brutal on Sat/Sunday...will games go ahead and if so what impact will it. The defensive grinding teams might be happy and the teams who think they have some flair may not fancy it this weekend.

I'd say the defensive grinding teams might be happy and the teams who think they have some flair may not fancy it this weekend.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 07, 2020, 11:01:17 AM
Reminder for anyone from Clare coming to the Hyde Sunday - no entry from Athlone Road side due to Election Count.
Major improvement needed from our boys if we're to have any hope of landing the 2 points.
Lose and it's a dogfight to stay out of D3 and Tier 2.
Be some turn up if the T2 Final was between Ros and Cork a year after meeting in the Qtr Finals. :o
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ambrose on February 08, 2020, 05:38:55 PM
There is a pitch inspection at 6pm at the Athletic Grounds ahead of Armagh v Kildare in the Allianz Football League.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 08, 2020, 05:39:21 PM
Be an ass of a match tonight in those conditions. Another pitch inspection at Athletic Grounds at 6. 5.30 inspection says it's playable. The field isn't the main issue!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 08, 2020, 06:03:46 PM
Game on. :o
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 08, 2020, 06:13:35 PM
Better get the waterproofs. Predict less than 9 scores per team.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ed Ricketts on February 08, 2020, 07:39:04 PM
Some amount of lying down from Kildare boys in this first half. Must breed them very soft over that way.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Armagh seven ahead at half time not sure if that lead is enough with such a strong wind.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on February 08, 2020, 08:37:13 PM
Armagh playing with determination in second half, Jamie Clarke sent off for 2 yellows. Still 7 points ahead.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2020, 08:44:19 PM
Armagh easy six point winners. Really good against the wind and with 14 men for most of that half. The only cristism is Armagh should have won by lot more as they missed a number of goal scoring chances.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 08, 2020, 08:50:22 PM
There will be some squeaky bums come Sunday evening in this Division...I suppose all winners from this weekend climb the table and all losers drop towards relegation and are under severe pressure, the table will def be interesting come Sunday evening. I suspect 1 or 2 teams tipped for promotion could find themselves in a relegation dog fight and no doubt there will be someone relegated to Div 3 who were tipped for promotion but who will it be...Armagh?, Kildare? or Roscommon?

Armagh v Kildare Draw

Roscommon v Clare home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Draw

Laois v Cavan home win

The only two predictions i'm confident off above is Rossies to beat Clare and Laois to beat Cavan, the other two were head wreckers so i sat on the fence.

I think Armagh will beat Kildare with a bit to spare
Fermanagh will beat Westmeath
Rossies will beat Clare
And I fancy Cavan to beat Laois

Hello Itchy, did you watch them v Laois

No, I was in Breffni watching Cavan. For me Kildare are over hyped as they are in Leinster and everyone wants to pretend there are coming teams that can take on the dubs. Same as Meath. Armagh have genuinely good forwards and have good enough midfielders too. I put Laois result down to over confidence and maybe over training. I believe ye will target your home games against your immediate rivals. So thats what I based it on.

Told ya so
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Throw ball on February 08, 2020, 09:11:40 PM
Great win for Armagh. Was very disappointed with Kildare
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 08, 2020, 09:22:20 PM
Some amount of lying down from Kildare boys in this first half. Must breed them very soft over that way.

Number 11 should be embarrassed with his play acting. 14 and 23 loved the dirt, Armagh great value for 2 points.

Edit. Kildare keeper was amazing tonight.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: David McKeown on February 09, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Armagh playing with determination in second half, Jamie Clarke sent off for 2 yellows. Still 7 points ahead.

Excellent performance from Armagh. Terrible performance from Coldrick and his linesmen. Clarke got booked for pushing a defender off him as he ran through. As it happened Coldrick saw it and gave Clarke the advantage only to then come back and book him for it. The advantage resulted in a point for Armagh. So Coldrick booked Clarke for a decision he gave in Clarkeís favour. Absolutely mind boggling
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 09, 2020, 09:50:11 AM
Very innocuous challenge, fact the lad got a nose bleed and went down like he was shot drew linesman attention, take it Kildare practice lying down like they were shor, happened all evening.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 09, 2020, 10:06:29 AM
Both Kildare and Armagh should be ashamed of the Theatrics but with black cards this is the consequence.

Coldrick is f**king awful but refs have been hung out to dry.

Rian O'Neill was excellent. Either side of HT killed Kildare, mentally switched off, Armagh were superb in capitalising.

Jack O'Connor is learning a lot about our mentality. Big job ahead of him.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Throw ball on February 09, 2020, 10:13:27 AM
I think Dinny it was the 2 Lazarus like recoveries (11 and 23?) That riled Armagh support so much. The rest of the stuff you see in every game  sadly.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: David McKeown on February 09, 2020, 11:23:39 AM
I think Dinny it was the 2 Lazarus like recoveries (11 and 23?) That riled Armagh support so much. The rest of the stuff you see in every game  sadly.

Indeed but the Armagh official and the steward who had a go at the Kildare doctor after the second of those definitely didnít cover themselves in glory.

Also it was interesting to note that whilst Kildare players were being treated the referee stopped the game. When Armagh were having players treated leaving them down to 13 men he played on.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 09, 2020, 11:38:08 AM
There will be some squeaky bums come Sunday evening in this Division...I suppose all winners from this weekend climb the table and all losers drop towards relegation and are under severe pressure, the table will def be interesting come Sunday evening. I suspect 1 or 2 teams tipped for promotion could find themselves in a relegation dog fight and no doubt there will be someone relegated to Div 3 who were tipped for promotion but who will it be...Armagh?, Kildare? or Roscommon?

Armagh v Kildare Draw

Roscommon v Clare home win

Westmeath v Fermanagh Draw

Laois v Cavan home win

The only two predictions i'm confident off above is Rossies to beat Clare and Laois to beat Cavan, the other two were head wreckers so i sat on the fence.

I think Armagh will beat Kildare with a bit to spare
Fermanagh will beat Westmeath
Rossies will beat Clare
And I fancy Cavan to beat Laois

Hello Itchy, did you watch them v Laois

No, I was in Breffni watching Cavan. For me Kildare are over hyped as they are in Leinster and everyone wants to pretend there are coming teams that can take on the dubs. Same as Meath. Armagh have genuinely good forwards and have good enough midfielders too. I put Laois result down to over confidence and maybe over training. I believe ye will target your home games against your immediate rivals. So thats what I based it on.

Told ya so

Yip you did...
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 09, 2020, 11:48:10 AM
Great win last night, I was expecting a bashing in the second half to be fair but it never came. Think the 2 quick points we scored at start of the second half gave Armagh some confidence and shocked Kildare a bit. Thought Campbell, O'Neill, Forker & A Nugent were good. I also thought Jamie Clarke was very unlucky to be sent off, I didn't realise he's already got a yellow so was in WTF mode. I think we'd have scored a goal or two had he been in or around the goals when the opportunities arose. Kildare keeper had a good game and made a few good saves, Kildare did rally briefly with 3-4 nice points in the second half but Armagh just didn't let them kick on from that.

Hands up, I didn't really fancy Armagh last night but i'm always aware they'll beat anyone on their day and are well capable of it too but it's just so frustrating when they throw in a few Laois matches into their season which just holds us back. One more win should be enough to keep us up especially with our scoring average so far, anything after that is a bonus...
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 09, 2020, 12:06:01 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1226236446350217219 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1226236446350217219)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 09, 2020, 12:09:04 PM
Never a yellow I was sitting other side and it was softer looking from that angle,  he was protecting himself from the tackle.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 09, 2020, 12:16:08 PM
Also if Jamie was red carded should his point have stood, or as ref saw no issue until linesman saw a bit of blood and wanted a few moments of power could it not have been overturned. At the start of first half number 14 boxed Folker the umpires saw it called him over for a chat but didn't inform ref you got to love consistency.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: David McKeown on February 09, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
Very poor refereeing. Either the referee saw it and didnít deem it a foul so the booking shouldn't have followed and the linesman shouldnít be re-refereeing the match. Or he didnít see it which begs the question what was he looking at when it involved the player on the ball and the game should have been stopped immediately.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 09, 2020, 02:20:54 PM
Also if Jamie was red carded should his point have stood, or as ref saw no issue until linesman saw a bit of blood and wanted a few moments of power could it not have been overturned. At the start of first half number 14 boxed Folker the umpires saw it called him over for a chat but didn't inform ref you got to love consistency.

I'm open to correction here, but once the ref notes the point, then as I understand it, it has to stand. That would tie in with the timeline of events.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: LCohen on February 09, 2020, 03:37:04 PM
Also if Jamie was red carded should his point have stood, or as ref saw no issue until linesman saw a bit of blood and wanted a few moments of power could it not have been overturned. At the start of first half number 14 boxed Folker the umpires saw it called him over for a chat but didn't inform ref you got to love consistency.

I'm open to correction here, but once the ref notes the point, then as I understand it, it has to stand. That would tie in with the timeline of events.

I think that is correct.

At the time I didnít know what the card was for. Now seen a clip from single angle. Not conclusive either way. The general point around what is and isnít allowed by way of fend off is probably worth noting for all teams irrespective of whether the referee got this one correct
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 09, 2020, 05:47:12 PM
I presume Laois v Cavan will be played next weekend?


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 09, 2020, 06:53:12 PM
A battling performance against the wind in the 2nd half had us 8- 1 ahead.
3 later Clare points and a last minute goal by us took the mean look of the board.
We led 6-0 at half time.
Clares first point came after 50 minutes!!
We were full of possession "football" and back passing but it sufficed to get us off the bottom.
Enda Smith took a 45 and kicked it back to round our own 45!!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 09, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
Still no away wins.

Kildare have 3 home games left and Laois in Portlaoise where we have a great record.

Obviously playing shit at the moment but wouldn't rule out promotion just yet.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 09, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
Still no away wins.

Kildare have 3 home games left and Laois in Portlaoise where we have a great record.

Obviously playing shit at the moment but wouldn't rule out promotion just yet.

Def not. There are a lot of twists and turns in this division yet
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 09, 2020, 08:56:08 PM
Still no away wins.

Kildare have 3 home games left and Laois in Portlaoise where we have a great record.

Obviously playing shit at the moment but wouldn't rule out promotion just yet.
If Jack O'Connor can sort out that long standing flakiness issue then Kildare will be promoted. Poor weather conditions last night and those lillywhites simply didn't have the stomach for the fight.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on February 10, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
If Armagh can beat Westmeath next time out then would fancy them to close out on promotion.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on February 10, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
Took a wee while to get into a rhythm but when they did I thought Armagh played rightly.  Very impressed with their work rate all over the park, especially in the 2nd half.  Kildare couldn't match it.

Frustrating at time with sloppy passes.  I'm not sure the conditions can account for this.  Rian was at fault for a couple of these... in saying that though his kicks from the ground against that wind were a joy.

Could and should have had a number of goals.

Never a second yellow for Clarke. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 10, 2020, 03:28:18 PM
If Armagh can beat Westmeath next time out then would fancy them to close out on promotion.

Yeah, i think you're right. This next match is the one that will make or break them, a win sets you up lovely for a top 2 spot and a defeat just throws you back in the mix again. Which Armagh will turn up though?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on February 10, 2020, 03:48:29 PM
May have missed this elsewhere but am I right in thinking Jamie Clarke is with a London club this year? Is he flying back weekends? What's he doing over there?
Is an Armagh backer footing the bill for this?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on February 10, 2020, 04:14:29 PM
jamie played football there last summer.
simply hasnt transferred back and is training with the county
there is no backer..
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on February 10, 2020, 04:47:41 PM
Jarly ”g also based in England with Uni I believe? Back at weekends for the time being.  Different in the summer I suppose.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on February 11, 2020, 08:09:37 AM
jamie played football there last summer.
simply hasnt transferred back and is training with the county
there is no backer..

So he isn't in London, hasn't transferred back to Cross and is playing for county? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Not affiliated to a club but playing for county. It's just another example of the professionalism that we've seen so clearly with McShane. Is he working at home again?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on February 11, 2020, 08:44:28 AM
Jamie will play for Neasden gaels again this year
Whatís the issue
Their season hasnít started
The Tyrone saga is with Mc shane is nothing to do with Armagh
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 09:19:07 AM
Jamie will play for Neasden gaels again this year
Whatís the issue
Their season hasnít started
The Tyrone saga is with Mc shane is nothing to do with Armagh

What does Clarke do for a living?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: oliverkelly on February 11, 2020, 09:43:20 AM
jamie played football there last summer.
simply hasnt transferred back and is training with the county
there is no backer..

So he isn't in London, hasn't transferred back to Cross and is playing for county? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Not affiliated to a club but playing for county. It's just another example of the professionalism that we've seen so clearly with McShane. Is he working at home again?

Wasnt the movie star playing football with Athy and county with Tyrone before he retired? Same thing as Clarke playing his club football outside of Armagh. Mooney and another down footballer are also playing with same club as Clarke.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 11, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
Jamie will play for Neasden gaels again this year
Whatís the issue
Their season hasnít started
The Tyrone saga is with Mc shane is nothing to do with Armagh

What does Clarke do for a living?

Does it matter?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 11, 2020, 10:33:37 AM
Jamie will play for Neasden gaels again this year
Whatís the issue
Their season hasnít started
The Tyrone saga is with Mc shane is nothing to do with Armagh

What does Clarke do for a living?

Does it matter?

Exactly my thought.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 10:35:02 AM
Just wondering lads.


How does he make a living?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 11, 2020, 11:03:45 AM
Just wondering lads.


How does he make a living?

He has his own clothing business or something like that. Ilk clothing I believe itís called
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: CroŪ na h…ireann on February 11, 2020, 11:40:30 AM
Westmeath scraped over the line on Sunday, the wind should have made it a game of two halves but the first half was a half of 2 halves. Westmeath stormed out and put some early scores on the board. Did an excellent job on the Fermanagh kickout and had them pinned in. Then after going 5 points up we completely took our foot off the pedal and all work rate and intensity disappeared in the middle third. For the second week in a row we should have been more ahead at half time. We showed good composure in possession at times in the second half, particularly for Ray Connellans point. Showed Dublin like patience waiting for the right scoring opportunity to present itself, which killed some precious minutes. Showed good spirit as well when we went down to 14 men and raised our effort levels. That said if Fermanagh had a reliable free taker they would have nabbed the win, Quigley might be getting a call this week. Could be 2 very valuable points at the end of this campaign, would be sitting pretty at the top of the table if we finished off the game up in Cavan. Armagh in 2 weeks will be the biggest challenge yet, will show us exactly where we're at. Good to see Sam back, panel is looking healthy this year.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 11, 2020, 06:54:39 PM
Westmeath scraped over the line on Sunday, the wind should have made it a game of two halves but the first half was a half of 2 halves. Westmeath stormed out and put some early scores on the board. Did an excellent job on the Fermanagh kickout and had them pinned in. Then after going 5 points up we completely took our foot off the pedal and all work rate and intensity disappeared in the middle third. For the second week in a row we should have been more ahead at half time. We showed good composure in possession at times in the second half, particularly for Ray Connellans point. Showed Dublin like patience waiting for the right scoring opportunity to present itself, which killed some precious minutes. Showed good spirit as well when we went down to 14 men and raised our effort levels. That said if Fermanagh had a reliable free taker they would have nabbed the win, Quigley might be getting a call this week. Could be 2 very valuable points at the end of this campaign, would be sitting pretty at the top of the table if we finished off the game up in Cavan. Armagh in 2 weeks will be the biggest challenge yet, will show us exactly where we're at. Good to see Sam back, panel is looking healthy this year.

We've a split personality so it depends which Armagh turns up so you may not know where you're at :D
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 16, 2020, 10:51:49 AM
Cavan v Laois going ahead, seems odd to me as there was worse rain yesterday than last week and an u20 game in Laois was postponed yesterday. I hope it's not called off 10 mins before it is due to start.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on February 16, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Laois 1-3 Cavan 1-8. Laois have the strong wind advantage 2nd half
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on February 16, 2020, 03:04:34 PM
Great start to the 2nd half for Cavan they now lead 2-9 to 1-3
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on February 16, 2020, 03:40:20 PM
FT Laois 1-6 Cavan 3-10. Cavan sealed the impressive win with a injury time goal. Cavan started the day bottom of the table and are now joint top on 4 points.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 16, 2020, 03:45:11 PM
Couldn't make it today but that is some win for cavan and I think a vindication of Mickey Graham, at least at this part if the season. Laois will  be disappointed with only 3 points in the 2nd half. Stephen Murray with 2 goals off the bench from wing back.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2020, 04:08:02 PM
Well done Cavan. A bit of a mad division. Its looking like nine points could be enough for promotion and six points to avoid relegation.


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Westside on February 16, 2020, 05:47:30 PM
A dominant win for Cavan and an impressive team performance all over the field. Mickey needs to get credit for the way he set up the team. Playing Martin Reilly in defence in such terrible conditions was a brilliant move, he's so mobile he never allowed Laois to pin us in defence.
Faulkner was excellent, Stephen Murray took both goals very well. Gerry Smith had a mixed bag but one of his better performances. Pierson and James Smith looked more effective than I've seen them so far. Doughty got a goal when undoubtedly going for a point but was poor besides that.
Laois were poor and had the lions share of mistakes in an error ridden game.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 16, 2020, 06:47:23 PM
Couldn't make it today but that is some win for cavan and I think a vindication of Mickey Graham, at least at this part if the season. Laois will  be disappointed with only 3 points in the 2nd half. Stephen Murray with 2 goals off the bench from wing back.

Have you made any game, you missed Armagh one as well, just as well you didn't waste your money on a season ticket. 8) ;D ;D

Unlike most of you dicks I'll be at all cavans games this year. As I live in the west now every game is an away game for me.

 ::)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 16, 2020, 06:56:53 PM
Couldn't make it today but that is some win for cavan and I think a vindication of Mickey Graham, at least at this part if the season. Laois will  be disappointed with only 3 points in the 2nd half. Stephen Murray with 2 goals off the bench from wing back.

Have you made any game, you missed Armagh one as well, just as well you didn't waste your money on a season ticket. 8) ;D ;D

Unlike most of you dicks I'll be at all cavans games this year. As I live in the west now every game is an away game for me.

 ::)

I've a family member at deaths door so cant travel too far lad, is that ok with you? He hadn't planned on dieing during the league hence my first post.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 16, 2020, 07:09:24 PM
Apologies not a mind reader it was said to wind up, wouldn't offend anyone going through that, we probably all have been there, hope everything works out.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 16, 2020, 07:11:56 PM
No bother. You weren't to know
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 16, 2020, 08:42:07 PM
Good win for Cavan today.
This 2nd Division is a real dog eat dog job.
There could be some excitement on the last day!!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 16, 2020, 10:17:25 PM
Didnt think they do well but think Laois will go up. A set back today but will have too much for Clare. Michael Quirke will be a future Kerry manager.Our development team best Clare by 15 points in challenge during the week in UL.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on February 16, 2020, 11:30:36 PM
Armagh did a job on Cavan .... Laois did a job on Armagh .... Cavan did a job on Laois .... this division is going down to the wire.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2020, 01:37:40 PM
Round 4 and we might have a better idea as to who are the true promotion and relegation candidates after this weekend.

Saturday
Fermanagh v Cavan, Brewster Park 7pm
Sunday
Clare v Laois, Cusack Park, 2pm
Westmeath v Armagh, TEG Cusack Park, 2pm
Kildare v Roscommon, Newbridge, 2.30pm
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 18, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Fermanagh v Cavan could end up a draw, the rest could go anyway, think Laois, Armagh and Kildare could prevail.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on February 18, 2020, 02:15:35 PM
Fermanagh v Cavan could end up a draw, the rest could go anyway, think Laois, Armagh and Kildare could prevail.
A good bet and think most Cavan people would be happy enough with that. Fermanagh are under a bit of pressure but are a tough nut to crack in Brewster and with 3 home games left to play will fancy their chances this weekend and start to claw up the table. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rudi on February 18, 2020, 02:34:32 PM
Fermanagh,  Clare, Draw, Rossies
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on February 18, 2020, 03:04:17 PM
fermanagh
claire
armagh
draw
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 18, 2020, 04:07:16 PM
Fermanagh, Clare, Armagh, Kildare
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 18, 2020, 05:57:30 PM
Cavan have a great record against Fermanagh and Brewster has been a very happy hunting ground for us. While most teams dread going there we don't. I'd fancy us to win a close game.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on February 18, 2020, 06:41:57 PM
Cavan have a great record against Fermanagh and Brewster has been a very happy hunting ground for us. While most teams dread going there we don't. I'd fancy us to win a close game.
Fermanagh always give us a tough game but usually leave the shooting boots at home. If they bring them the weekend I'd be worried our hex will be broken.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 19, 2020, 08:49:41 AM
Cavan have a great record against Fermanagh and Brewster has been a very happy hunting ground for us. While most teams dread going there we don't. I'd fancy us to win a close game.
Would agree with Itchy.
Cavan have a great record at Brewster Park.
Both in playing Fermanagh and alot of their players will have fond memories of winning under 21 Ulster titles there as well.
We were missing a few big men against Westmeath due to injury. We need them back for Cavan on Saturday night.
Free taking was a major concern against Westmeath. We missed alot and it cost us the game.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 20, 2020, 09:04:02 PM
Fermanagh v Cavan - Draw
Clare v Laois - Clare
Westmeath v Armagh - Armagh
Kildare v Roscommon - Rossies
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 20, 2020, 11:11:53 PM

Fermanagh v Cavan - cavan by 1-2 pts
Clare v Laois - Clare
Westmeath v Armagh - Armagh
Kildare v Roscommon - Kildare

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 21, 2020, 09:36:02 AM
Will the pitches be playable - no let up in this rain, they must be saturated at this stage!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 21, 2020, 12:23:49 PM
I think most of them these days drain fairly quickly if they get a chance but as you say it would need to stop pissing first to give them a chance!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 21, 2020, 12:28:42 PM
Weather warning issued for flooding from 9 p.m tonight.
I can see quite a few games being called off.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 21, 2020, 12:50:41 PM
Option 2 of the Fixture Review Task force report looking more attractive by the day.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 21, 2020, 04:51:13 PM
The buying the tickets early is a Joke none available today for Armagh Westmeath - hardly a sellout - I assume its so the greedy bastards in the GAA get more money - why cant tickets at lower price be available up until match day, ffs you print them off.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 21, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
The buying the tickets early is a Joke none available today for Armagh Westmeath - hardly a sellout - I assume its so the greedy bastards in the GAA get more money - why cant tickets at lower price be available up until match day, ffs you print them off.

Agree 100%, a lot of time families with kids can only plan these the day before or the day of the match. Other people have work or things on and may decide to go at the last minute and to pay that for a league game is stinking...Wise the f**k up GAA...only for supporting your County the people should put manners in the greedy hoors by staying at home only for the detriment of your team
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 21, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
The buying the tickets early is a Joke none available today for Armagh Westmeath - hardly a sellout - I assume its so the greedy bastards in the GAA get more money - why cant tickets at lower price be available up until match day, ffs you print them off.

Agree 100%, a lot of time families with kids can only plan these the day before or the day of the match. Other people have work or things on and may decide to go at the last minute and to pay that for a league game is stinking...Wise the f**k up GAA...only for supporting your County the people should put manners in the greedy hoors by staying at home only for the detriment of your team

Agree. I wasnít sure if I could go this weekend or not. Found out today I can go. The thought of paying 20 euros is putting me off tho
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 21, 2020, 10:37:02 PM
Sorry, tickets are no longer available online

*** TICKETS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE ONLINE BUT ARE AVAILABLE IN PARTICIPATING CENTRA AND SUPERVALU STORES NATIONWIDE ***

A list of participating stores can be found here
Tickets will also be available to purchase at the match depending on availability.

Not in Armagh Crossmaglen only place selling tickets, out of principal going give this one a miss, what greedy bastards.

And the shite about depending on availability surely u16s should require a ticket, this is the worse element of the GAA greedy f**kers.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on February 22, 2020, 02:35:14 AM
Sorry, tickets are no longer available online

*** TICKETS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE ONLINE BUT ARE AVAILABLE IN PARTICIPATING CENTRA AND SUPERVALU STORES NATIONWIDE ***

A list of participating stores can be found here
Tickets will also be available to purchase at the match depending on availability.

Not in Armagh Crossmaglen only place selling tickets, out of principal going give this one a miss, what greedy bastards.


And the shite about depending on availability surely u16s should require a ticket, this is the worse element of the GAA greedy f**kers.

Would you ever relax, you forgot to buy the ticket and you have to spend a whole Ä5 more as a consequence.
If you are so angry then why not go into your local shop and ask why they are not selling tickets?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 22, 2020, 07:25:08 AM
Sorry, tickets are no longer available online

*** TICKETS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE ONLINE BUT ARE AVAILABLE IN PARTICIPATING CENTRA AND SUPERVALU STORES NATIONWIDE ***

A list of participating stores can be found here
Tickets will also be available to purchase at the match depending on availability.

Not in Armagh Crossmaglen only place selling tickets, out of principal going give this one a miss, what greedy bastards.


And the shite about depending on availability surely u16s should require a ticket, this is the worse element of the GAA greedy f**kers.

Would you ever relax, you forgot to buy the ticket and you have to spend a whole Ä5 more as a consequence.
If you are so angry then why not go into your local shop and ask why they are not selling tickets?

I went to buy my tickets on Friday morning how is that forgetting, and why would my local shop care about selling tickets for the GAA. 20 quid times 3 with petrol and food is quite a lot in most people's world you are lucky you are so well off.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 22, 2020, 07:32:54 AM
Sorry, tickets are no longer available online

*** TICKETS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE ONLINE BUT ARE AVAILABLE IN PARTICIPATING CENTRA AND SUPERVALU STORES NATIONWIDE ***

A list of participating stores can be found here
Tickets will also be available to purchase at the match depending on availability.

Not in Armagh Crossmaglen only place selling tickets, out of principal going give this one a miss, what greedy bastards.


And the shite about depending on availability surely u16s should require a ticket, this is the worse element of the GAA greedy f**kers.

Would you ever relax, you forgot to buy the ticket and you have to spend a whole Ä5 more as a consequence.
If you are so angry then why not go into your local shop and ask why they are not selling tickets?

Also the point is not 5 pound the point is the GAA advertising buy your tickets early but know as other contributors pointed out that most folk with families and work commitments only know near the weekend of their availability, so I humbly suggest you wind your neck in kid.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 22, 2020, 09:10:16 AM
Agree totally with those giving off about the tickets situation. At one time, there was the opportunity to buy tickets at stores in North, Mid and South Armagh / Newry. Now it is restricted to South Armagh and Newry. I definitely think the GAA in Armagh need to look at this situation. O'Neills in Craigavon should surely be asked to cater for supporters in the North - as O'Neills in Belfast and Newry do - and if no store is available in Armagh City, then the County should step up and sell them from the Ceannaras, which I think they could do at one point in the past.

I bought my tickets for the Cavan and Kildare games, on line, on the Friday before each match. Those games were both on Saturday. I went on line yesterday morning - the Friday before a Sunday fixture - to purchase but discovered the same message that AFM received. It definitely isn't good enough. In the modern world we live in, the service provided serves only to inconvenience.   
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on February 22, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
Lads, get yourselves a season ticket and youíre sorted. This is only my second year of having them as the young fella requests them from Santa. Itís funny on Christmas morning when the first thing he goes for is the pocket of the new OíNeillís top looking for the season ticket.  No itís not United or Liverpool but means as much to him  :)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 22, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Them Armagh lads are only happy when they have something to moan about.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 22, 2020, 11:52:46 AM
Them Armagh lads are only happy when they have something to moan about.

If you'd to travel 40 mile just to buy your ticket you wouldn't be happy either...Suppose the more i think about it £19 for the privilege of the lovely stand in Mullingar is worth every penny/cent...So comfy and cosy, Croke Park take note when upgrading ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 22, 2020, 12:05:25 PM
If you're prepared to travel to Mullingar for a League game a season ticket is the job for you.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 22, 2020, 12:16:11 PM
If you're prepared to travel to Mullingar for a League game a season ticket is the job for you.

No doubt, it's the sensible way to go...We're not blessed with much sense up here ;). It's ok for you rich folk with your own luxury yellow coach and all :D
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 22, 2020, 01:40:07 PM
Brewster passed an inspection this morning so the match is still on.....
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2020, 07:41:14 PM
Fermanagh one point ahead at half time.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2020, 08:37:13 PM
Cavan win by 3 points. Fermanaghs unbeaten league run in Brewster park over.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 22, 2020, 08:46:36 PM
Going to be very hard for us to stay up after that.
Armagh and Laois to play at home and Clare away.
Realistically we probably need to win all three.
Cavan were the better team but we didn't help ourselves with the gift of the second goal .
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 22, 2020, 11:26:23 PM
Super result for us in very difficult slippery conditions. We may have been slightly better but we were helped by 2 poorly defended goals. Great to see big Gearoid back on form hitting 5 points. Fermanagh had a real stranglehold around the middle, especially in last quarter, but they struggled to create and indeed to finish. Ciaran Holla Brady, Oisin Kiernan and Faulkner were massive for Cavan along with Gearoid. We can probably start to look up the table now and see can we push for an unlikely promotion.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 22, 2020, 11:49:54 PM
Do or die time for us and the Lillies tomorrow.
Winner is in the promotion chase, loser is trying to stay out of D3 and Tier 2.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Cavan19 on February 23, 2020, 08:32:42 AM
Up the blue shirts.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 23, 2020, 08:54:44 AM
Do or die time for us and the Lillies tomorrow.
Winner is in the promotion chase, loser is trying to stay out of D3 and Tier 2.
Ros will win.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 23, 2020, 03:21:41 PM
Armagh 8 up at half time but have let in 3 2nd half goals and now 2 points behind!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 23, 2020, 03:43:18 PM
Jamie Clarke late goal salvages a draw for Armagh. Laois by Clare by 1 point.

Ros goal puts them 1 up against kildare, but that game started at 2-30
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 23, 2020, 04:19:21 PM
Looks like 2 from Clare, Fermanagh and Kildare for the drop 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 23, 2020, 06:16:05 PM
Jamie Clarke late goal salvages a draw for Armagh. Laois by Clare by 1 point.

Ros goal puts them 1 up against kildare, but that game started at 2-30

Brutal second half. We are own worst enemy at times. Hope to see a replay of the penalty later tho to see if there actually was a footblock. Looked like a legitimate block to me
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on February 23, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
Strange game in mullingar.
Draw was probably a fair result
Penalty was the game changer though and definitely was extremely harsh
Westmeath ran from deep through the centre of the Armagh defence and caused havoc.
For Armagh they will win nothing until they sort this out.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: mackers on February 23, 2020, 06:59:23 PM
We have a division 1 attack and midfield and a Division 3 defence.  The amount of space that the Westmeath attack had to run into up the middle was simply unbelievable. We have a press going on in the middle of the field but once the opposing team break through that the house is well and truly down.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 23, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
A desperate fermanagh at home to Armagh who've been poor away from home. Could go either way.

Cavan at home to Clare, hoping the long drive up will mean we can take the points.

Laois home to kildare, could kildare really go down? I think there has to be a kick in them which could take the points.

Ros against Westmeath,  you would think Ros but westmeath have shown they can play.

Intriguing league is Div2
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: keeperlit on February 23, 2020, 07:24:56 PM
Strange game in mullingar.
Draw was probably a fair result
Penalty was the game changer though and definitely was extremely harsh
Westmeath ran from deep through the centre of the Armagh defence and caused havoc.
For Armagh they will win nothing until they sort this out.


And this problem has been glaringly obvious in all our games and we do not appear to have the wherewithal to come up with a solution to it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 23, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
Strange game in mullingar.
Draw was probably a fair result
Penalty was the game changer though and definitely was extremely harsh
Westmeath ran from deep through the centre of the Armagh defence and caused havoc.
For Armagh they will win nothing until they sort this out.


And this problem has been glaringly obvious in all our games and we do not appear to have the wherewithal to come up with a solution to it.

One solution would have been to take Burns of number 25 who roasted him all afternoon.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 23, 2020, 07:40:50 PM
A mixed bag for Armagh, eight up and nearly lost and then pleased to settle for a draw at the end. Intriguing is one word for this division alright.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on February 23, 2020, 07:49:35 PM
Strange game in mullingar.
Draw was probably a fair result
Penalty was the game changer though and definitely was extremely harsh
Westmeath ran from deep through the centre of the Armagh defence and caused havoc.
For Armagh they will win nothing until they sort this out.


And this problem has been glaringly obvious in all our games and we do not appear to have the wherewithal to come up with a solution to it.

One solution would have been to take Burns of number 25 who roasted him all afternoon.
Agreed re burns
Was painful to watch
Westmeath no11 was the playmaker yet no one thought letís man mark this guy
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 23, 2020, 08:00:11 PM
Was no 25 Loughlin, red head? He was very lively in breffni too but some westmeath man told me has major commitment issues?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 23, 2020, 08:23:34 PM
Was no 25 Loughlin, red head? He was very lively in breffni too but some westmeath man told me has major commitment issues?

Luke Loughlin, some turn of pace.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 23, 2020, 08:56:59 PM
Two much needed points gained today as we eased our Relegation worries.
Flew out of the blocks, 4 points up in 5 minutes.
Kildare gradually took over and scored 7 in a row. We had 5 or 6 sides and 2 watery efforts into the Goalie's hands.
We were thankful enough to be only 2 down at half time.
Nip and tuck for 15 minutes till we conjured up a goal by "Cregger".
Cox and Cathal Compton coming on as subs made us a better team but we still needed Enda's  goal from the penalty to ensure we got over the line.
A win next week v the Westies and we won't be relegated.
Meanwhile Jack O'Connor may have to start planning for the B Championship.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on February 23, 2020, 09:00:24 PM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

Armagh were superb going forward in first half, defence shockingly bad in second.  Soupy seems to be the only forward we have capable of running at a defence.  Watched him limp off after the game, seemed to be in bother.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 23, 2020, 09:46:06 PM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

Armagh were superb going forward in first half, defence shockingly bad in second.  Soupy seems to be the only forward we have capable of running at a defence.  Watched him limp off after the game, seemed to be in bother.

You'll see nothing on that joke of a program.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 23, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

Armagh were superb going forward in first half, defence shockingly bad in second.  Soupy seems to be the only forward we have capable of running at a defence.  Watched him limp off after the game, seemed to be in bother.

You'll see nothing on that joke of a program.

Looks like their division 2 coverage is finished
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 23, 2020, 09:48:34 PM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

Armagh were superb going forward in first half, defence shockingly bad in second.  Soupy seems to be the only forward we have capable of running at a defence.  Watched him limp off after the game, seemed to be in bother.

You'll see nothing on that joke of a program.

Looks like their division 2 coverage is finished

Getting worse every year. Yet people moan about Sky?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 23, 2020, 10:13:03 PM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

Armagh were superb going forward in first half, defence shockingly bad in second.  Soupy seems to be the only forward we have capable of running at a defence.  Watched him limp off after the game, seemed to be in bother.

You'll see nothing on that joke of a program.

Looks like their division 2 coverage is finished

Getting worse every year. Yet people moan about Sky?

Turned it off as soon as I saw pundits.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on February 23, 2020, 10:39:44 PM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

I hope you enjoyed that!

The Armagh defence lacks any sense of organisation and you have the usual push followed by the flapping of arms as a substitute for a legal tackle.

On the evidence so far, I doubt whether Armagh, Westmeath or Cavan would win a game in division 1, they have merits but also great flaws.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: giveballaghback on February 23, 2020, 11:15:30 PM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

Armagh were superb going forward in first half, defence shockingly bad in second.  Soupy seems to be the only forward we have capable of running at a defence.  Watched him limp off after the game, seemed to be in bother.

You'll see nothing on that joke of a program.

Looks like their division 2 coverage is finished

Getting worse every year. Yet people moan about Sky?

Turned it off as soon as I saw pundits.

Where are sky since last August?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 24, 2020, 11:35:05 AM
Tickets available for Fermanagh game online but now no option to print at home like every other week, so pay £1.95 postage and hope they arrive, what a truly amateur, balls of an organisation the GAA is - yeah yeah big shots be shouting its only 1.95 the point is if they can allow you to print one week why not the next.  And as for the game itself nowdays they have created a monster, get a lead lie down and feign injuries all over the place or drag and block players off the ball with no repercussions, there is probably 40 minutes of football played in a match, its getting to be awful as a sceptical to watch.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Armamike on February 24, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
McGeeney's strength as a footballer was that he could close down space in the centre of defence, and he could tackle.  It's a bit odd how his team is the polar opposite.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 24, 2020, 11:49:56 AM
Cavan top and are looking most likely to gain promotion. Some turn around for them from round 1. They seem to a have a group of players that respond well to constructive criticism and have one of the best managers in the league.

Hard to know who will join them with Westmeath, Laois, Armagh and Roscommon all in the mix.

A three way battle between Kildare, Clare, Fermanagh for relegation, Fermanagh v Clare in round 6 could be a decider.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 24, 2020, 01:47:19 PM
Cavan top and are looking most likely to gain promotion. Some turn around for them from round 1. They seem to a have a group of players that respond well to constructive criticism and have one of the best managers in the league.

Hard to know who will join them with Westmeath, Laois, Armagh and Roscommon all in the mix.

A three way battle between Kildare, Clare, Fermanagh for relegation, Fermanagh v Clare in round 6 could be a decider.

Cavan still have Roscommon and Kildare to play, both will be fighting hard for different reasons.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 24, 2020, 02:55:00 PM
Itís hard to say one team or another are most likely to gain promotion at the moment
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on February 24, 2020, 03:14:20 PM
Division 2 for 2021 if the current odds are to believed

Mayo
Meath
Roscommon
Laois
Westmeath
Kildare
Cork
Down
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Westside on February 24, 2020, 04:55:59 PM
I think Cavan will beat Clare but fail to beat Kildare and Roscommon. Two teams we rarely get past.

Armagh and Roscommon to go up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on February 24, 2020, 04:58:32 PM
What's the decision criteria when tied on points ..... scoring difference first, head to head second?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 24, 2020, 05:18:40 PM
Must be scoring difference as we are currently ahead of Laois. Although there are more than 2 teams tied on 5
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 24, 2020, 05:24:25 PM
As has been the norm for a good few years now - 2 teams lever =head to head result.
If the head to head was a draw or more than 2 teams level = score difference.
After that it goes down to highest scores and a playoff....
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on February 24, 2020, 05:33:03 PM
I thought it is simply scoring percentages as  I remember Armagh losing to Meath a few years back and it killed them in the relegation stakes
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 24, 2020, 08:15:15 PM
Yeah if two teams are level on pts it goes to head to head but if there are 3 or more teams on the same pts it goes to scoring difference. I for the life of me can't understand why people keep tipping Armagh for promotion...It's possible Armagh might not pick up another point and could be relegated. Our away record it terrible and we're away to two teams fighting for their lives. Our only home game left is against the Rossies and I fancy Roscommon to win the rest of their matches and get promoted.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 24, 2020, 08:42:29 PM
Anything is possible in this mad Division.
Probably safe to say Kildare, Clare or Fermanagh won't get promoted but after that.....
Our immediate aim is to beat Westmeath Sunday to ensure we avoid relegation.
2 away games then v Armagh and Cavan so not an easy finish.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 24, 2020, 09:46:04 PM
Ciaran Branagan.
This should be fun
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 24, 2020, 11:04:32 PM
Fermanagh 5/2 to beat Armagh, that's very generous.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 25, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
Ciaran Branagan.
This should be fun

Good free taker? This really is the game that will define which team plays where next season. Armagh win they're in the mix, Fermanagh win and they've a 50/50 chance of staying up as one more win should keep them up although i suspect there could be 2 or 3 teams finish on 6pts around the bottom which will be interesting. Armagh need one more win from their 3 games to be sure of staying up, after this weekend who have Fermanagh left to play in their last two games?.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: oliverkelly on February 25, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

Armagh were superb going forward in first half, defence shockingly bad in second.  Soupy seems to be the only forward we have capable of running at a defence.  Watched him limp off after the game, seemed to be in bother.

You'll see nothing on that joke of a program.

Looks like their division 2 coverage is finished

Getting worse every year. Yet people moan about Sky?

Turned it off as soon as I saw pundits.

Where are sky since last August?

Open to correction by it was my understanding SKY dont have any rights to the League.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 25, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
Ciaran Branagan.
This should be fun

Good free taker? This really is the game that will define which team plays where next season. Armagh win they're in the mix, Fermanagh win and they've a 50/50 chance of staying up as one more win should keep them up although i suspect there could be 2 or 3 teams finish on 6pts around the bottom which will be interesting. Armagh need one more win from their 3 games to be sure of staying up, after this weekend who have Fermanagh left to play in their last two games?.

After this weekend we have Clare away and Laois at home.
Think we have to get something out of this game if we are to have any chance.
Kildare will pick up points and have us on head to head.
I still think there's a real possibility that one of the teams on 5 points will get sucked into the relegation battle
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on February 25, 2020, 12:08:21 PM
Fermanagh 5/2 to beat Armagh, that's very generous.

Madness, evens game if anything.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 25, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
This weekend has the feeling of being a "moving" weekend. My predictions...

Cavan v Clare - Cavan win
Fermanagh v Armagh - draw
Laois v Kildare - Kildare
Roscommon v Westmeath - Ros

That would leave the table looking like

Cavan - 8
Roscommon - 7
Armagh - 6
Laois - 5
Westmeath - 5
Kildare - 4
Fermanagh - 3
Clare - 2

Actually, looking again it is still pretty damn tight even after that round of games!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on February 25, 2020, 01:13:31 PM
cavan to win
armagh to win simply because Fermanagh have a few missing and arent scoring enough
laois /Kildare a draw
Rossies to beat westmeath

Cavan 8
armagh 7
Rossies 7
laois 6
westmeath5
kildare 3
fermanagh 2
clare 2




Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Solo_run on February 25, 2020, 01:25:25 PM
Cavan v Clare - Cavan win
Fermanagh v Armagh - Armagh win
Laois v Kildare - Laois win
Roscommon v Westmeath - Draw

Cavan 8
Armagh 7
Laois 7
Roscommon 6
Westmeath 6
Kildare 2
Clare 2
Fermanagh 2
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Scarlet on February 25, 2020, 02:15:59 PM
So, if it stays as is the win in the first game v Fermanagh could keep Kildare up if neither team get any more results.
Will either outfit get points on the board.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on February 25, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
So, if it stays as is the win in the first game v Fermanagh could keep Kildare up if neither team get any more results.
Will either outfit get points on the board.

If neither of the bottom 3 got another point, the team with the best score difference would stay up as head to head only counts if its 2 teams on the same points.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on February 25, 2020, 02:59:30 PM
So, if it stays as is the win in the first game v Fermanagh could keep Kildare up if neither team get any more results.
Will either outfit get points on the board.

Can't happen.
Clare have to play Fermanagh
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 25, 2020, 03:35:41 PM
Kildare must be the Tier 2 All-Ireland favourites.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on February 25, 2020, 03:39:52 PM
Did ye win Tier 1 in 1920?
Be a nice way to mark the Anniversary :-\
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2020, 03:47:29 PM
cavan to win
armagh to win simply because Fermanagh have a few missing and arent scoring enough
laois /Kildare a draw
Rossies to beat westmeath

Cavan 8
armagh 7
Rossies 7
laois 6
westmeath5
kildare 3
fermanagh 2
clare 2

Armagh based on that should win however I think the last league visit to Brewster park ended up in a low scoring draw plus Ciaran Branagan as the ref makes the match a bit of a lottery.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on February 25, 2020, 05:44:05 PM
cavan to win
armagh to win simply because Fermanagh have a few missing and arent scoring enough
laois /Kildare a draw
Rossies to beat westmeath

Cavan 8
armagh 7
Rossies 7
laois 6
westmeath5
kildare 3
fermanagh 2
clare 2

Armagh based on that should win however I think the last league visit to Brewster park ended up in a low scoring draw plus Ciaran Branagan as the ref makes the match a bit of a lottery.

7-7 if I remember rightly on a cold and miserable day
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: twohands!!! on February 25, 2020, 08:13:01 PM
Kildare must be the Tier 2 All-Ireland favourites.

Jack O'Connor to deliver some silverware to Kildare.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: giveballaghback on February 25, 2020, 08:16:57 PM
Looking forward to seeing the penalty replay on TV, was hard to tell from where I was in the stand, other than to say Iíve no time for Cassidy from Derry .... far too whistle happy for my liking.

Armagh were superb going forward in first half, defence shockingly bad in second.  Soupy seems to be the only forward we have capable of running at a defence.  Watched him limp off after the game, seemed to be in bother.

You'll see nothing on that joke of a program.

Looks like their division 2 coverage is finished

Getting worse every year. Yet people moan about Sky?

Turned it off as soon as I saw pundits.

Where are sky since last August?

Open to correction by it was my understanding SKY dont have any rights to the League.
No correction needed with me, SKY have no interest in the league or the gaa, does no rights prohibit them from giving results or any other information about gaa games, the only reason they buy the summer rights to our championship games is to stop irish people cancelling their subscriptions for the summer non premier league months.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on February 28, 2020, 10:54:20 PM
Cavan v Clare - Cavan
Fermanagh v Armagh - Armagh (Actually don't know about this one, anything could happen)
Laois v Kildare - Kildare
Roscommon v Westmeath - Rossies
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on February 29, 2020, 12:04:50 AM
Cavan v Clare - Cavan
Fermanagh v Armagh - Armagh
Laois v Kildare - Laois
Roscommon v Westmeath - Draw
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on March 01, 2020, 09:35:05 AM
Fermanagh v Armagh match is off
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on March 01, 2020, 04:22:06 PM
Division 2
Team              P   +/-   Pts.
1Roscommon 5   17   7
2Cavan             5   2    6
3Armagh          4   13   5
4Westmeath    5   -8   5
5Laois               5   -8   5
6Kildare            5   -2   4
7Clare               5   -6   4
8Fermanagh    4   -8   2
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on March 01, 2020, 04:32:18 PM
Disappointing result for Cavan. Seems like it's almost certain a team with 6 pts will go down.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2020, 04:58:48 PM
Disappointing result for Cavan. Seems like it's almost certain a team with 6 pts will go down.

If there are 3 teams on equal points is it score difference? The margin the Armagh/Cavan game might save Armagh or condemn Cavan.

 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: twohands!!! on March 01, 2020, 05:05:58 PM
Disappointing result for Cavan. Seems like it's almost certain a team with 6 pts will go down.

If there are 3 teams on equal points is it score difference? The margin the Armagh/Cavan game might save Armagh or condemn Cavan.

 

If 3 teams level its score difference.
If 2 teams level head-to-head.

It's fairly unlikely to be a factor though with Cavan v Roscommon to play each other.

Remaining fixtures

Fermanagh v Armagh (Presume this will be played next week)

Armagh v Roscommon      
Clare v Fermanagh      
Westmeath v Laois      
Kildare v Cavan      

Cavan v Roscommon      
Clare v Armagh      
Kildare v Westmeath      
Fermanagh v Laois
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on March 01, 2020, 06:47:59 PM
With this weekends results, Fermanagh v Armagh is a must win for both teams .... actually all games are must wins for all teams in this division now.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on March 01, 2020, 07:18:07 PM
If Fermanagh win 3 points separate the whole table. :o
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on March 01, 2020, 09:09:58 PM
Handy enough win against a limited enough Westmeath team (or did they play as well as they were let).
1-15 to 0-8, after Enda hit the bar from a penalty after which we eased time out.
Good displays  by Donie , Hussey, Cox especially but we looked comfortable enough for the last 3 Quarters.
Wasn't funny at the time but is amusing to look back at now - Davy Murray finding himself 1 on 1 with the goalie but turned round and threw a daft pass at McKeon who lost his footing trying to retrieve it.
I think 1 win will get us up now  but who knows what type of other results could happen in this competitive Division to scupper that.
I wouldn't have been a fan of linking League and Championship but imagine the excitement if these games were happening April to July and qualifying to play for Sam depended on Final League positions?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 01, 2020, 09:53:50 PM
If Fermanagh win 3 points separate the whole table. :o

Does this game postponed give Fermanagh an advantage now knowing the results went against them so before they're thinking 2 wins from 3 could keep them up now they know 3 from 3 is needed?. Just a thought
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
I assume the Fermanagh - Armagh will have to be a mid-week fixture?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on March 02, 2020, 10:47:16 AM
I assume the Fermanagh - Armagh will have to be a mid-week fixture?

Can't see it.
Why would it be played midweek?

Games that were called off due to weather a few weeks ago were played on the free week.
Free week this weekend so I would say Sunday
 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on March 02, 2020, 10:57:05 AM
I assume the Fermanagh - Armagh will have to be a mid-week fixture?

Can't see it.
Why would it be played midweek?

Games that were called off due to weather a few weeks ago were played on the free week.
Free week this weekend so I would say Sunday

Apologies got my dates mixed up I assumed we were down to play Roscommon on Saturday.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2020, 11:00:46 AM
Games that were called off due to weather a few weeks ago were played on the free week.
Free week this weekend so I would say Sunday

Sunday definitely an option, but I've heard whispers that Saturday evening is being considered - might be due to Fermanagh hurlers at home on Sunday?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on March 02, 2020, 11:03:51 AM
Games that were called off due to weather a few weeks ago were played on the free week.
Free week this weekend so I would say Sunday

Sunday definitely an option, but I've heard whispers that Saturday evening is being considered - might be due to Fermanagh hurlers at home on Sunday?

Don't know.  I have not heard.
Would say Saturday could be in the mix as well as I suppose it will give teams an extra day recovery for the week after.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 02, 2020, 11:29:55 AM
Cavans home loss to Clare the most eye brow rasing result in this division. Did a bit of Cavan complacency play a part in that result?

Jack O'Connor finally steering Kildare away from relegation, didn't someone say they have a great record in O'Moore Park.

The rossies go from bottom of the table after round 2 to now top of the table. Not certain of promotion yet especially with two tough away games to come.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Look-Up! on March 02, 2020, 12:08:57 PM
Cavans home loss to Clare the most eye brow rasing result in this division. Did a bit of Cavan complacency play a part in that result?

Jack O'Connor finally steering Kildare away from relegation, didn't someone say they have a great record in O'Moore Park.

The rossies go from bottom of the table after round 2 to now top of the table. Not certain of promotion yet especially with two tough away games to come.
Hardly that big a surprise. Both teams are missing players. While we might have out performed them league wise over the last good while, when it comes to championship Clare have made great improvements and are a very decent side. You could even argue they've out performed us in championship last 5 years. Plus it's D2 afterall.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on March 02, 2020, 04:49:23 PM
Fermanagh v Armagh, re-fixed for 7PM Saturday night.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: APM on March 03, 2020, 10:18:40 AM
Seriously tight division
You would have to expect a team to be relegated on 6 points and a team promoted on possibly less than 10 points.  Armagh were relegated a couple of years ago on 6 points, going down on scoring difference, with four teams (Fermanagh, Derry, Armagh and Meath) on 6 points.

In the last 10 years, across a number of divisions, teams have come second on 8 points also - although it's a rarity.

Ran through the table there and among all of the permutations, I think it is technically possible with two full rounds to go, that we could have 6 teams on 7 points, one of which would be promoted and one of which will be relegated. Would be great accumulator for someone with plenty of money to spare. 

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on March 03, 2020, 01:43:39 PM
What would happen if the government were to ban public gatherings?? Matches would all be off. Would they play behind closed doors. Would they just cancel all remaining league games and the tables remain as they are. Any precedent back in time I wonder?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Cavan19 on March 03, 2020, 02:03:43 PM
What would happen if the government were to ban public gatherings?? Matches would all be off. Would they play behind closed doors. Would they just cancel all remaining league games and the tables remain as they are. Any precedent back in time I wonder?

The Cavan hurlers could play away anyway.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2020, 02:09:57 PM
What would happen if the government were to ban public gatherings?? Matches would all be off. Would they play behind closed doors. Would they just cancel all remaining league games and the tables remain as they are. Any precedent back in time I wonder?

The Cavan hurlers could play away anyway.

And Derry footballers, as their supporters do not constitute a crowd.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 03, 2020, 04:07:13 PM
Which Government? ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on March 04, 2020, 09:12:09 AM
I have a feeling Fermanagh might sneak this, especially after the collapse in Mullingar, the defensive frailties are there for all to see, could be a interesting last few rounds, with potentially someone playing in tier two on score difference!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Laois Rising on March 04, 2020, 01:00:31 PM
There are so many twists and turns left in this division. Cavan looked a beaten docket after week one, by week four were topping the table and expected to beat Clare and push themselves firmly into the promotion places. Now with the loss to Clare they are now looking over their shoulders again with games against Kildare away and Roscommon at home on the final day they could easily find themselves not gaining another point before end of the league. With the remaining match-ups in the division it wouldn't surprise me to see a team relegated on 6 points. 

This division shows why an All-Ireland championship equivalent to a senior, intermediate and junior club championship could work. There is little between the counties ranked 8th (Meath) to the top 4/5 teams in division 3. Games between these teams in the height of summer would be hugely competitive and enjoyable.     
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2020, 01:07:03 PM
I have a feeling Fermanagh might sneak this, especially after the collapse in Mullingar, the defensive frailties are there for all to see, could be a interesting last few rounds, with potentially someone playing in tier two on score difference!

Defensive frailties yes but Fermanagh would need to find their scoring boots also as so far all they have managed is 1-11, 0-8, 0-13 and 0-14. Sean Quigley is a big loss for them. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Scarlet on March 04, 2020, 04:40:35 PM
On a general note here, are we all fooling ourselves into even wanting to go up as realistically it seems there will be a yo-yo going on for a few years.
When you look at the Div 1 games there is a big jump and I for one am nearly glad Kildare don't look to be going anywhere. Chrust when I think what Galway, Dubs, etc would do to us...

It is a mad division mind and I am still very worried but a big win last day for Kildare v Laois where they showed a lot more bite.
Every game is 50/50 at this stage. Ideally Armagh can keep Fermanagh down a bit from my POV and then any kind of result versus Cavan would be welcome.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2020, 05:23:25 PM
On a general note here, are we all fooling ourselves into even wanting to go up as realistically it seems there will be a yo-yo going on for a few years.
When you look at the Div 1 games there is a big jump and I for one am nearly glad Kildare don't look to be going anywhere. Chrust when I think what Galway, Dubs, etc would do to us...

It is a mad division mind and I am still very worried but a big win last day for Kildare v Laois where they showed a lot more bite.
Every game is 50/50 at this stage. Ideally Armagh can keep Fermanagh down a bit from my POV and then any kind of result versus Cavan would be welcome.

For the two teams that gain promotion this spring they are guaranteed to miss out on playing in prodigious Tailteann cup for 3 years.

One way to maybe end current yo-yo going on in the league would be.

Div 1 10 teams
Div 2 8 teams
Div 3 8 teams
Div 4 6 teams
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ferm_n_aaah on March 05, 2020, 09:24:08 AM
lets not get into a div structure overhaul ....though id you pushed me Id favour 3xgroups of 11 (room for New York too) !!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ferm_n_aaah on March 05, 2020, 09:26:45 AM
On a general note here, are we all fooling ourselves into even wanting to go up as realistically it seems there will be a yo-yo going on for a few years.
When you look at the Div 1 games there is a big jump and I for one am nearly glad Kildare don't look to be going anywhere. Chrust when I think what Galway, Dubs, etc would do to us...

It is a mad division mind and I am still very worried but a big win last day for Kildare v Laois where they showed a lot more bite.
Every game is 50/50 at this stage. Ideally Armagh can keep Fermanagh down a bit from my POV and then any kind of result versus Cavan would be welcome.

yes and if Armagh dont so Kildare a favour youz are in trouble, as a very tough run in awaits. We seem do always do well against Armagh on home soil, for a long time now and I can see that continuing
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 06, 2020, 10:28:30 AM
On a general note here, are we all fooling ourselves into even wanting to go up as realistically it seems there will be a yo-yo going on for a few years.
When you look at the Div 1 games there is a big jump and I for one am nearly glad Kildare don't look to be going anywhere. Chrust when I think what Galway, Dubs, etc would do to us...

It is a mad division mind and I am still very worried but a big win last day for Kildare v Laois where they showed a lot more bite.
Every game is 50/50 at this stage. Ideally Armagh can keep Fermanagh down a bit from my POV and then any kind of result versus Cavan would be welcome.

yes and if Armagh dont so Kildare a favour youz are in trouble, as a very tough run in awaits. We seem do always do well against Armagh on home soil, for a long time now and I can see that continuing

Yeah but if the good Armagh turns up you could be in trouble ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 06, 2020, 10:36:57 AM
I would take going up to Div 1 over Div 2 everyday, you will play better teams which will bring you on and you're at no risk of dropping down to Intermediate football.

On match v Fermanagh the extra week to hopefully get any players with knocks back in should help both teams but I suppose for next weekends matches the other teams have the extra weeks break so evens itself out. If Armagh are serious about Div 1 football then they have to win their last 3 games and I don't think they will, beat Fermanagh on Sat night and that'll do me and keep our status in Div 2 for another season. As i'be said before lose tomorrow nite and I don't fancy us getting anything from Roscommon next week we could be going to Clare in the last game needing something...Still so much to play more for everyone which is exciting i suppose.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on March 06, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
I would take going up to Div 1 over Div 2 everyday, you will play better teams which will bring you on and you're at no risk of dropping down to Intermediate football.

On match v Fermanagh the extra week to hopefully get any players with knocks back in should help both teams but I suppose for next weekends matches the other teams have the extra weeks break so evens itself out. If Armagh are serious about Div 1 football then they have to win their last 3 games and I don't think they will, beat Fermanagh on Sat night and that'll do me and keep our status in Div 2 for another season. As i'be said before lose tomorrow nite and I don't fancy us getting anything from Roscommon next week we could be going to Clare in the last game needing something...Still so much to play more for everyone which is exciting i suppose.

Must win for both teams, all depends on what Armagh show up, we could be on either end of a 10 point win or a 10 point defeat.  After Mullingar, who knows.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Scarlet on March 06, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
Everyone would like to go up, but I just see from Kildare's last stint losing every game didn't do us any favours and then we got caught by Carlow...
Too many teams in this grade are just not ready, but as you said the fact that you are guaranteed staying in the big leagues championship wise might mean you could blood a few lads with a bit more ease of mind.

Division 2 is madness in fairness.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on March 06, 2020, 06:03:51 PM
You get better by playing regularly against better teams. Sitting in Div 2 waiting to be ready is nonsensical
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Westside on March 06, 2020, 06:31:20 PM
Exactly, look at Cavan and Roscommon. Both have bounced back after relegation, Roscommon will do so again this year and Cavan could have and probably would have too with a full squad. You learn nothing by floating around the middle of the table in Division 2.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on March 06, 2020, 06:42:33 PM
Everyone would like to go up, but I just see from Kildare's last stint losing every game didn't do us any favours and then we got caught by Carlow...
Too many teams in this grade are just not ready, but as you said the fact that you are guaranteed staying in the big leagues championship wise might mean you could blood a few lads with a bit more ease of mind.

Division 2 is madness in fairness.

Caught on the hop by Carlow but Kildare ended up having a good summer which included a win over Mayo and reached the last 8. Would that have been achieved if Kildare was preparing for the championship in Division 2?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on March 06, 2020, 06:47:53 PM
Exactly, look at Cavan and Roscommon. Both have bounced back after relegation, Roscommon will do so again this year and Cavan could have and probably would have too with a full squad. You learn nothing by floating around the middle of the table in Division 2.
Our 2 recent Connacht Titles 2017 and 2019 were in years we played in D1.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Oraisteach on March 07, 2020, 01:09:46 PM
Apart from Armagh tv, does anyone know what radio station will be carrying the Fermanagh vs Armagh match? Thank you.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 07, 2020, 07:42:54 PM
Fermanagh 0-03
Armagh 1-08

HT in Brewster Pk...will the customary second half collapse happen?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on March 07, 2020, 07:44:21 PM
Armagh by 8 at half time but they were playing with driving win and rain.
If Fermanagh had a left footed free taker it would be a lot closer
They must have missed four scorable frees
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 07, 2020, 08:05:35 PM
Fermanagh 0-04
Armagh 2-09 (Jamie Clarke & Aidan Forker goals)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on March 07, 2020, 08:12:32 PM
3-9 to 0-4
Nugent
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on March 07, 2020, 08:13:32 PM
Turning into an awful hammering.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 07, 2020, 08:14:43 PM
Turning into an awful hammering.

Yeah, is alright. Looks like Armagh are going top and Fermanagh staying bottom
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on March 07, 2020, 08:15:23 PM
3-10 to 0-5
17 minutes into the second half
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on March 07, 2020, 08:22:45 PM
Fermanagh look doomed after this hammering
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 07, 2020, 08:27:52 PM
3-11 to 0-08
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 07, 2020, 08:36:50 PM
Fermanagh 0-10
Armagh 3-14

Final score
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: naka on March 07, 2020, 08:42:04 PM
Big game next Saturday nite in Armagh
Whoever wins goes up
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 07, 2020, 08:43:02 PM
Fermanagh 0-10
Armagh 3-14

Final score

Very impressive from Armagh tonight, could easily have won that game by 20 points. A win against Roscommon next Saturday means promotion to Div 1 believe. Fermanagh look doomed and i can't see many of their players too interested about a 2nd tier championship.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on March 07, 2020, 09:09:36 PM
That was as bad as I have witnessed.
Absolutely dreadful.
Armagh full value.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 07, 2020, 09:40:05 PM
That was as bad as I have witnessed.
Absolutely dreadful.
Armagh full value.

TBH i was expecting a tight game with a point or two here or there splitting the teams...

Were Armagh good or was Fermanagh that bad?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: FermGael on March 07, 2020, 10:25:37 PM
That's a bad a display as I have seen.
No game plan in attack or defence.
A very strange team selection.
Look Armagh were good but we were not.
Honestly no idea where we go from here.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on March 07, 2020, 10:33:47 PM
That was as bad as I have witnessed.
Absolutely dreadful.
Armagh full value.

TBH i was expecting a tight game with a point or two here or there splitting the teams...

Were Armagh good or was Fermanagh that bad?

A bit of both. Buy as FG said, that was a poor poor fermanagh team tonight.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on March 07, 2020, 11:36:55 PM
Armagh good, Fermanagh awful.  Armagh need feet on the ground now and not be carried away after that win. Roscommon will be a much different proposition, and with a place in Div 1 most likely up for grabs, has the makings of a great night in Armagh next Saturday.

Decent ref for a change tonight in Brewster Park.

P.S. shout out to the lady doing the scanning for the season tickets, welcomed my young fella to Brewster Park by his first name, gave him a big welcome, lovely touch.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 08, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
Armagh good, Fermanagh awful.  Armagh need feet on the ground now and not be carried away after that win. Roscommon will be a much different proposition, and with a place in Div 1 most likely up for grabs, has the makings of a great night in Armagh next Saturday.

Decent ref for a change tonight in Brewster Park.

P.S. shout out to the lady doing the scanning for the season tickets, welcomed my young fella to Brewster Park by his first name, gave him a big welcome, lovely touch.

Should be some game all the same next sat night, Roscommon are a top team and Armagh will go into this game as slight underdogs which always suit Armagh. If weather is half decent there should be a bumper crowd there too, hopefully get to the game as i've missed the last few but with this being in Armagh I should be able to manage a 25 min car journey (hopefully)...can't wait.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Blowitupref on March 08, 2020, 12:15:03 PM
Armagh good, Fermanagh awful.  Armagh need feet on the ground now and not be carried away after that win. Roscommon will be a much different proposition, and with a place in Div 1 most likely up for grabs, has the makings of a great night in Armagh next Saturday.

Decent ref for a change tonight in Brewster Park.

P.S. shout out to the lady doing the scanning for the season tickets, welcomed my young fella to Brewster Park by his first name, gave him a big welcome, lovely touch.

Should be some game all the same next sat night, Roscommon are a top team and Armagh will go into this game as slight underdogs which always suit Armagh. If weather is half decent there should be a bumper crowd there too, hopefully get to the game as i've missed the last few but with this being in Armagh I should be able to manage a 25 min car journey (hopefully)...can't wait.

Haven't seen any odds but I'll be surprised if Armagh aren't favourites for Saturday nights game.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on March 08, 2020, 12:15:41 PM
Armagh good, Fermanagh awful.  Armagh need feet on the ground now and not be carried away after that win. Roscommon will be a much different proposition, and with a place in Div 1 most likely up for grabs, has the makings of a great night in Armagh next Saturday.

Decent ref for a change tonight in Brewster Park.

P.S. shout out to the lady doing the scanning for the season tickets, welcomed my young fella to Brewster Park by his first name, gave him a big welcome, lovely touch.

Should be some game all the same next sat night, Roscommon are a top team and Armagh will go into this game as slight underdogs which always suit Armagh. If weather is half decent there should be a bumper crowd there too, hopefully get to the game as i've missed the last few but with this being in Armagh I should be able to manage a 25 min car journey (hopefully)...can't wait.

Eyeing this one up myself illdecide.  Havent been able to make it to AG since the Cavan game with one thing or another (although did get to the Armagh V Tyrone hurling last week).  I expect this Roscommon game to be a real tester as to whether the squad is ready to play division 1 football.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 09, 2020, 09:32:06 AM
P.S. shout out to the lady doing the scanning for the season tickets, welcomed my young fella to Brewster Park by his first name, gave him a big welcome, lovely touch.

Very friendly girl indeed. Very helpful.

As for the match, a facile win. On the night, Fermanagh were simply dreadful and unless there was some underlying issue - key players out injured, maybe - then the outlook does not look good for them. I've said it before about Armagh and it was very evident the other night - Armagh have no killer instinct. They took their foot off the gas totally. Tyrone, or the Down team of the nineties, would have put up a tally of 6-20 or thereabouts.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ferm_n_aaah on March 09, 2020, 09:49:23 AM
Armagh were mighty impressive but I could also tell that Fermanagh were rocked by the 3 big absentees 2 of which appeared to be decided just before throw in. Fermanagh has no depth in the panel really as you all likely know and to lose the captain Donnelly, lose Cullen in the warm up, recent allstar nominee and to lose our current free taker was just devastating for the team. the replacements (and I felt sorry for them was Allen who only ever got Mckenna cup match once or twice 4 years ago and McManus on the frees, just back after a few years out and first start since we played in Athletic grounds in the league 3 or 4 years ago) So yes we had rug pulled from under our feet before match started. Armagh are a jeckyll and hyde team and unfortunately for us we saw their best side on sat nite and that coupled with a nervy unsure fermanagh team led to the awful hammering that resulted. That said, if that isnt the absolute kick up the arse that fermanagh need to produce a reaction in ennis then we deserve to go down.
Frustrating after we started the league playing fantastic football in Newbridge and against the Rossies, just not consistent enough and the panel still just to thinly stretched to sustain such losses in personnel
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Armagh Girl on March 09, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
Hopefully Fermanagh will get it together for the next few games and stay up!  We had 3 lovely Belcoo fellas beside us for the Match who had nothing but praise and good will for Armagh, and we wish them and Fermanagh the best for the remainder of the league.  On the match itself, the Armagh Boys gave us a great win in terrible conditions so role on Saturday night at the Athletic Grounds, hopefully the Armagh fans fill it to the rafters.  Armagh Abu!! 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on March 10, 2020, 02:18:29 PM
Is there no option to print your ticket now? Asking for a delivery charge fs
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on March 10, 2020, 02:29:08 PM
Is there no option to print your ticket now? Asking for a delivery charge fs

Wait till tomorrow and they you can print.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 10, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
4/7 Armagh 15/2 Roscommon 7/4

Very surprised at that TBH, would have expected them two to be fairy evenly matched in the betting. For me Roscommon are the best team in the league and are joint top, I know Armagh are top with them and at home but there ya go
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on March 10, 2020, 05:25:24 PM
Armagh folks, what's parking like or any tips for a handy spot?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: AFM on March 10, 2020, 05:39:00 PM
Armagh folks, what's parking like or any tips for a handy spot?

The Christian Brothers Primary school is right beside it and has a huge car park, 3 quid I think. St Malachys Chapel has a free carpark behind it and it's also very close to the ground. There is also lots of street parking close to ground. Arrive early.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on March 10, 2020, 07:55:14 PM
Armagh folks, what's parking like or any tips for a handy spot?

Are you coming from Monaghan or Newry?
From Monaghan, the CBS school car park  (https://goo.gl/maps/BdfvcuPB3mBNxHub7)as noted above is spot on, if you are not in too much of a hurry away.

Please don't take offence if we don't shake your hand.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 10, 2020, 08:36:28 PM
Armagh folks, what's parking like or any tips for a handy spot?

Whats the mood like in Roscommon for this game? U men confident?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: giveballaghback on March 10, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
Armagh folks, what's parking like or any tips for a handy spot?

Whats the mood like in Roscommon for this game? U men confident?
Confidence is not a thing you could assocciate with ros supporters, we have seen too many belly ups over the years, we are hoping for a win, looking forward to the game as I think Armagh are the best team we will play in this division,if we win we will be promoted and if we lose we have another bite at the cherry v Cavan, it will be close I think and I hope we can shade it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 10, 2020, 09:07:38 PM
Armagh folks, what's parking like or any tips for a handy spot?

Any amount of parking. Some folk have mentioned the CBS car park, right beside the ground, at a cost of £3. However you can park either side of the Monaghan Road (on the assumption you are coming in that way) and have the car pointed for home, which will give you a quicker getaway. You will be less than ten minutes walk from the ground.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: maddog on March 11, 2020, 02:07:42 PM
Where in the town sells tickets anyone ?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2020, 02:23:33 PM
Where in the town sells tickets anyone ?

Unfortunately nowhere in Armagh does, maddog. Newry or O'Neills in Belfast - otherwise it is online.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on March 11, 2020, 02:38:48 PM
Where in the town sells tickets anyone ?

Unfortunately nowhere in Armagh does, maddog. Newry or O'Neills in Belfast - otherwise it is online.

Centra in Cross'?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: maddog on March 11, 2020, 02:47:21 PM
I went to order online but there was some notice about being able to print them if ordering from today onwards but that seems to have gone.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 11, 2020, 04:23:42 PM
I went to order online but there was some notice about being able to print them if ordering from today onwards but that seems to have gone.

I ordered min this morning on-line and to be posted out, it didn't say anything to me about printing. It better get to me by Friday :-\
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on March 11, 2020, 04:30:31 PM
Yeah doesn't seem to be a print option.  Might be better to wait and pay on the night just in case of cancelations with this virus.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 11, 2020, 04:45:20 PM
Yeah doesn't seem to be a print option.  Might be better to wait and pay on the night just in case of cancelations with this virus.

It'll only be cancelled if i decide... ;). I thought you'd already ordered yours?

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on March 11, 2020, 05:45:43 PM
Where in the town sells tickets anyone ?

Unfortunately nowhere in Armagh does, maddog. Newry or O'Neills in Belfast - otherwise it is online.
Newry is in Armagh sure ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: lurganblue on March 11, 2020, 06:10:22 PM
Yeah doesn't seem to be a print option.  Might be better to wait and pay on the night just in case of cancelations with this virus.

It'll only be cancelled if i decide... ;). I thought you'd already ordered yours?

Nah missed the boat.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ferm_n_aaah on March 12, 2020, 10:28:42 AM
Speaking to someone who knows who was speaking to someone who knows, all options are currently being considered re the running off or NOT of the remaining league fixtures. Options include running the remaining fixtures in the Autumn and not running league fixtures that remain with all 2021 league positions based on starting positions in 2020. Just options though, as proceeding as is until situation deteriorates. Hell that would suit fermanagh nicely that option 2 !
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on March 12, 2020, 11:34:51 AM
I reckon they'll just run the league next year as this year.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Angelo on March 12, 2020, 12:39:14 PM
To be fair the league has only two rounds to run. I think it makes more sense to finish the league off rather than starting the Championship.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: armaghniac on March 12, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
They should play Armagh v Rossies behind a limited crowd as it was going to be on TV anyway. All GAAgo be viewed in Ireland for this one.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Rossfan on March 12, 2020, 12:49:18 PM
Leo's writ doesn't run in the 6 Cos. (yet).
I believe the GAA will soon be issuing a Statenent so we'll see then.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: balladmaker on March 12, 2020, 12:54:35 PM
Only season ticket holders allowed into the stadiums, and must be seated at least a metre from each other ..... that's what I would do :-)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Ferm_n_aaah on March 12, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
anyway there may be no club games for foreseeable and championship is in doubt. Do we really want to be in 2 weeks time where Italy is now. Some things ..even div 2 football may not be worth it
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: illdecide on March 12, 2020, 03:27:40 PM
So a 2 week delay in the league for now, may well extend it (odds would be quite high for that). Dunno where that leaves the people who have booked hotels and match tickets etc for away games, I bought my ticket yesterday but don't car less about £15 but some other people with hotels etc could be out of pocket. I suppose you health is more important than a few quid...things are going to be rough here for 3-4 weeks me thinks
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: Itchy on March 12, 2020, 03:59:07 PM
So a 2 week delay in the league for now, may well extend it (odds would be quite high for that). Dunno where that leaves the people who have booked hotels and match tickets etc for away games, I bought my ticket yesterday but don't car less about £15 but some other people with hotels etc could be out of pocket. I suppose you health is more important than a few quid...things are going to be rough here for 3-4 weeks me thinks

It leaves them out of pocket I am afraid, who would refund them?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 13, 2020, 12:01:54 AM
So a 2 week delay in the league for now, may well extend it (odds would be quite high for that). Dunno where that leaves the people who have booked hotels and match tickets etc for away games, I bought my ticket yesterday but don't car less about £15 but some other people with hotels etc could be out of pocket. I suppose you health is more important than a few quid...things are going to be rough here for 3-4 weeks me thinks

A racing certainty that it will be extended I'd say. This won't blow over in just over 2 weeks.