Like a dog returning to its own vomit, voters in the North look set to go to the polls for a third time this year.
As things currently stand the DUP hold 10 seats, SF 7 and Independent Unionist 1.
What changes, if any, can we expect to see after yet another election. Will the SDLP step aside in north Belfast and give Finucane a clear run? Can the current loyalist weapons dump withstand the tidal wave of support for Naomi Long in south Belfast. What other changes are possible throughout the six counties between now and Election Day?
Like a dog returning to its own vomit, voters in the North look set to go to the polls for a third time this year.
As things currently stand the DUP hold 10 seats, SF 7 and Independent Unionist 1.
What changes, if any, can we expect to see after yet another election. Will the SDLP step aside in north Belfast and give Finucane a clear run? Can the current loyalist weapons dump withstand the tidal wave of support for Naomi Long in south Belfast. What other changes are possible throughout the six counties between now and Election Day?
Like a dog returning to its own vomit, voters in the North look set to go to the polls for a third time this year.
As things currently stand the DUP hold 10 seats, SF 7 and Independent Unionist 1.
What changes, if any, can we expect to see after yet another election. Will the SDLP step aside in north Belfast and give Finucane a clear run? Can the current loyalist weapons dump withstand the tidal wave of support for Naomi Long in south Belfast. What other changes are possible throughout the six counties between now and Election Day?
When is the RHI report out?
Like a dog returning to its own vomit, voters in the North look set to go to the polls for a third time this year.
As things currently stand the DUP hold 10 seats, SF 7 and Independent Unionist 1.
What changes, if any, can we expect to see after yet another election. Will the SDLP step aside in north Belfast and give Finucane a clear run? Can the current loyalist weapons dump withstand the tidal wave of support for Naomi Long in south Belfast. What other changes are possible throughout the six counties between now and Election Day?
When is the RHI report out?
Expected in November - so any day now unless DUP/UDA get it delayed
Hopefully the DUP will lose their influence in Parliament no matter what, I'd rather see a Tory majority than a repeat of the last couple of years.
UK wide it should be very interesting, bound to be near impossible for Pollsters to predict with so many unknowns. It's not long ago they were talking about giving a unity remainer candidate a clear run in the PM's constituency of Uxbridge!
This is the bit I don't get.Remain has been polling well ahead of Leave for the last 3 years
A Unionist pact is to strengthen the union but a Nationalist pact is just turning the election into a sectarian headcount.
Has the Remain ship sailed in the HOC?
It's either BoJo's deal or no Deal as far as I can see.
This is the bit I don't get.Remain has been polling well ahead of Leave for the last 3 years
A Unionist pact is to strengthen the union but a Nationalist pact is just turning the election into a sectarian headcount.
Has the Remain ship sailed in the HOC?
It's either BoJo's deal or no Deal as far as I can see.
Johnson is taking a huge risk
Ashcroft polled people in NI on Brexit back in September
97% of nationalists and 12% of Huns said it was important for the UK to Remain.
But that was before Boris Johnson shafted the DUP and put the customs border in between Ballymena and Birmingham.
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/09/my-northern-ireland-survey-finds-the-union-on-a-knife-edge/
MPs to vote for an amendment giving 16 and 17-year olds and EU nationals the vote... cant see that passing. If it does there'll be no election for ages.
Like a dog returning to its own vomit, voters in the North look set to go to the polls for a third time this year.
As things currently stand the DUP hold 10 seats, SF 7 and Independent Unionist 1.
What changes, if any, can we expect to see after yet another election. Will the SDLP step aside in north Belfast and give Finucane a clear run? Can the current loyalist weapons dump withstand the tidal wave of support for Naomi Long in south Belfast. What other changes are possible throughout the six counties between now and Election Day?
When is the RHI report out?
Expected in November - so any day now unless DUP/UDA get it delayed
It'll hardly make any difference - they'll say Save the Union Vote DUP anyway and they'll return 9 or 10.
Key point is whether, they'll be needed after the election.
Would love to see the loyalist gunrunning terrorist's bike of a daughter out on her ear, that would be nice.
Like a dog returning to its own vomit, voters in the North look set to go to the polls for a third time this year.
As things currently stand the DUP hold 10 seats, SF 7 and Independent Unionist 1.
What changes, if any, can we expect to see after yet another election. Will the SDLP step aside in north Belfast and give Finucane a clear run? Can the current loyalist weapons dump withstand the tidal wave of support for Naomi Long in south Belfast. What other changes are possible throughout the six counties between now and Election Day?
When is the RHI report out?
The way I see it;
SDLP will run candidates in all constituencies but not put much effort in to the seats currently held by SF, North Belfast, East Belfast or the clear cut DUP seats.
SF will run in all constituencies.
UUP will run in all seats but more effort in where they have a chance- South Antrim and Upper Bann.
DUP will run in all constituencies.
Alliance and the Greens may do some trading to allow Alliance free run in East Belfast - and possibly allow Danny Kinahan and Sylvia Hermon free runs in South Antrim and North Down.
The greatest chance of a change to current position is in;
South Belfast- Claire Hanna is an excellent candidate for SDLP and if SF have any sense they will run a light campaign- the only challenge to this will be O'Muilleor's ego, which is considerable.
North Belfast-John Finucane is also an excellent candidate but won't take his seat so may not attract so much support across the board
Foyle- Colum Eastwood must be in with a chance
East Belfast- Naomi Long is an excellent candidate and has a strong chance
South Antrim- Danny Kinahan has a strong chance
North Down - Sylvia Hermon is an excellent candidate but will be under pressure
South Down- Chris Hazard will be too strong for whoever SDLP put up- pity SF don't take their seats.
In an ideal world-
DUP lose 4 seats cutting their representation to 6
SF retain all seats bar Foyle , pick up N Belfast and take their seats- total of 7 allows them to claim they're the biggest party.
SDLP claim back Foyle and South Belfast - total of 2
UUP claim back South Antrim- 1
Alliance pick up East Belfast- 1
Sylvia holds North Down- 1
Belfast has no unionist MPs
Boris has no majority
Labour do well enough but gets rid of Corbyn and elect a decent leader who understands Ireland- Conor McGinn would be good!
Lib Dems do well
Brexit party disappears
UK parliament votes to have a second referendum which ends up 70% for remain
I can but dream
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Could this not be turned into a Ref. on Brexit if the SDLP, Alliance, SF and Greens get their act together or is there too many egoes in the room?
It’s doing my nut in already some Tory **** on talking about their message of “getting Brexit done, an extra 20,000 policemen and more funding for the NHS and Education”Seen a post today that the 20,000 extra police won’t even cover those that will retire. The Tories are absolute vile and how anyone could vote for them is beyond me, but similar to the DUP here they’ll throw out the usual crap about the other side and idiots will still vote for them, even though they are a pack of self serving fools who couldn’t give a toss about the average Joe Bloggs.
As if it wasn’t the Tories austerity that culled the police numbers and defunded the NHS and education in the first place... also they’ve had a majority for 3 years and couldn’t deliver Brexit how is it possible these horrible b**tards are going to be returned with a majority??!!
We get destroyed for saying people who voted for Brexit are stupid well they’re not exactly helping their case!!
I think Boris will get in too!! :'(
Need RHI report published in November and plenty of DUP brexit party,right wing ERG loving comments,they would loved a hardest of hard borders in Ireland if they have got away with it,pengelly,dodds,robinson,could be ousted if managed properly.
Need RHI report published in November and plenty of DUP brexit party,right wing ERG loving comments,they would loved a hardest of hard borders in Ireland if they have got away with it,pengelly,dodds,robinson,could be ousted if managed properly.
Most important thing is that nationalists come out and vote - I get a sense already that unionists have/are getting people on the register and I think that every election from here on in will mean that unionists will be voting in huge numbers I think.
Pro EU parties need to sort their act out over next week and give people an option: a Pro EU candidate or the DUP.
Simple as that.
A united Ireland means abortion and SSMNeed RHI report published in November and plenty of DUP brexit party,right wing ERG loving comments,they would loved a hardest of hard borders in Ireland if they have got away with it,pengelly,dodds,robinson,could be ousted if managed properly.
Most important thing is that nationalists come out and vote - I get a sense already that unionists have/are getting people on the register and I think that every election from here on in will mean that unionists will be voting in huge numbers I think.
Pro EU parties need to sort their act out over next week and give people an option: a Pro EU candidate or the DUP.
Simple as that.
Back to sectarian voting again to get SF in. Are people expected to forget about their pro-abortion and pro-SSM stance, as long as it means themmuns don’t get in?
No thank you. SF can go f**k themselves.
A united Ireland means abortion and SSMNeed RHI report published in November and plenty of DUP brexit party,right wing ERG loving comments,they would loved a hardest of hard borders in Ireland if they have got away with it,pengelly,dodds,robinson,could be ousted if managed properly.
Most important thing is that nationalists come out and vote - I get a sense already that unionists have/are getting people on the register and I think that every election from here on in will mean that unionists will be voting in huge numbers I think.
Pro EU parties need to sort their act out over next week and give people an option: a Pro EU candidate or the DUP.
Simple as that.
Back to sectarian voting again to get SF in. Are people expected to forget about their pro-abortion and pro-SSM stance, as long as it means themmuns don’t get in?
No thank you. SF can go f**k themselves.
What's the big issue with those
They only affect you if you're pregnant or gay
f**k SF same auld shite anyone who comes to my door looking a vote for Westminster will be getting short shrift.
To me it’s still the most bizarre situation. I can see voting for them locally and for Europe but there is literally no other reason to vote for them in Westminster than to make sure themmuns don’t get in.
f**king Lib Dem’s talking about gaining a majority or Jo Swinson leading a minority government... Jesus wept!!!
IMO if you feel none of the candidates in your area are worth voting for, at least go to the polling station, get your ballot paper, spoil it so that it is impossible for any candidate to claim that it is a vote for them, and just politely place it in the box. You rarely see it over here, but most candidates and election officials will be alarmed at an unusually high percentage of spoiled ballot papers as it is deemed an active form of protest against the candidates, and more effective than just not bothering to vote.
Indeed, unless there is no way you're able to on the day and a postal vote isn't an option, anyone whom refuses to go out to a polling station to vote for any candidate or at least spoil the paper loses any right to complain about those whom are elected as a result.
IMO if you feel none of the candidates in your area are worth voting for, at least go to the polling station, get your ballot paper, spoil it so that it is impossible for any candidate to claim that it is a vote for them, and just politely place it in the box. You rarely see it over here, but most candidates and election officials will be alarmed at an unusually high percentage of spoiled ballot papers as it is deemed an active form of protest against the candidates, and more effective than just not bothering to vote.
Indeed, unless there is no way you're able to on the day and a postal vote isn't an option, anyone whom refuses to go out to a polling station to vote for any candidate or at least spoil the paper loses any right to complain about those whom are elected as a result.
And at least those of us who don’t vote, can’t be held responsible for the shitshow that unfolds in front of our eyes. Those who voted are guilty of it.
f**k SF same auld shite anyone who comes to my door looking a vote for Westminster will be getting short shrift.Lots of people really don’t want themmuns in.
To me it’s still the most bizarre situation. I can see voting for them locally and for Europe but there is literally no other reason to vote for them in Westminster than to make sure themmuns don’t get in.
f**king Lib Dem’s talking about gaining a majority or Jo Swinson leading a minority government... Jesus wept!!!
The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
Scotland is a case of what seats if any the SNP don't get.The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
Scotland is a case of what seats if any the SNP don't get.The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
England -will the Remiam people all vote LibDem?
Wales -hopefully Plaid increase their votes and seats.
People talking about a hung Parliament again.
I understand all that but then what is the point??
A protest vote? Sinn Fein should not be running anywhere there is a marginal seat for the DUP and should leave it to SDLP/Alliance
The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
With respect to the election in Britain, the Lib Dem argument is a strange one. Clearly they are trying to go for the extreme on the remain side, with the one issue revoke message, which may pick up a few seats for them which could put them in a powerful position of holding the sway of power. But if they end up in a coalition and don’t deliver revoke then its university fees all over again for them and their credibility is gone again with those that voted for them.
The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
It’s already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don’t take their seats.
Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?
The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
It’s already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don’t take their seats.
Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?
I’m no lover of SF but your point is tiresome. Abstentionism from Westminster has been a basic principle of “traditional” republicanism for nearly 100 years now, therefore the electorate know exactly what they are doing & what they are getting when they cast their vote for an abstentionist party. The Brexit context does not change this.
If SF’s “ridiculous” position of abstentionism appeals to voters more than every other party who actually want to take their seat, then the fault lies with all the other parties, not SF.
Of course SF will take every electoral opportunity to illustrate their mandate.
If other parties can’t demonstrate why they would be more effective than a party that doesn’t even show up, then they don’t deserve to be elected.
I thought people were laughing at the DUP in Westminster. Who can we vote for that will nullify the DUP in Westminster? What is there to nullify?
With respect to the election in Britain, the Lib Dem argument is a strange one. Clearly they are trying to go for the extreme on the remain side, with the one issue revoke message, which may pick up a few seats for them which could put them in a powerful position of holding the sway of power. But if they end up in a coalition and don’t deliver revoke then its university fees all over again for them and their credibility is gone again with those that voted for them.
Remaining isn't extreme. . . it's the status quo!!!
The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
It’s already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don’t take their seats.
Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?
I’m no lover of SF but your point is tiresome. Abstentionism from Westminster has been a basic principle of “traditional” republicanism for nearly 100 years now, therefore the electorate know exactly what they are doing & what they are getting when they cast their vote for an abstentionist party. The Brexit context does not change this.
If SF’s “ridiculous” position of abstentionism appeals to voters more than every other party who actually want to take their seat, then the fault lies with all the other parties, not SF.
Of course SF will take every electoral opportunity to illustrate their mandate.
If other parties can’t demonstrate why they would be more effective than a party that doesn’t even show up, then they don’t deserve to be elected.
Yes, but you can’t vote for SF, then bitch and moan because the DUP are behaving like a bunch of tits in Westminster.
If you’re going to vote, then vote for someone who will at least nullify the DUP in Westminster.
The idea that O'Connell and Parnell should have sat on their arses at home 150-200 years ago rather than go to the House of Commons and achieve real and lasting results for the Irish people is beyond parody.
Scotland is a case of what seats if any the SNP don't get.The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
England -will the Remiam people all vote LibDem?
Wales -hopefully Plaid increase their votes and seats.
People talking about a hung Parliament again.
They probably won't lose though.They are going to lose 8 at least in Scotland
The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.
SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.
Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London. It'd be a farce.
Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?
It’s already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don’t take their seats.
Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?
I’m no lover of SF but your point is tiresome. Abstentionism from Westminster has been a basic principle of “traditional” republicanism for nearly 100 years now, therefore the electorate know exactly what they are doing & what they are getting when they cast their vote for an abstentionist party. The Brexit context does not change this.
If SF’s “ridiculous” position of abstentionism appeals to voters more than every other party who actually want to take their seat, then the fault lies with all the other parties, not SF.
Of course SF will take every electoral opportunity to illustrate their mandate.
If other parties can’t demonstrate why they would be more effective than a party that doesn’t even show up, then they don’t deserve to be elected.
Yes, but you can’t vote for SF, then bitch and moan because the DUP are behaving like a bunch of tits in Westminster.
If you’re going to vote, then vote for someone who will at least nullify the DUP in Westminster.
One point I agree with SF is no matter if it was 100% vote against Brexit in the north, it'd have made no difference at all.
Irish lives do not matter to London and their government.
The DUP were used , then turfed under the bus. Anybody who think London care for Irish people and businesses etc, then more fool them.
reading the various hopes and predictions of our friends based in ulster, what staggers me is that most of you are blind to the bigger picture.
as a southerner, who does hope for a United Ireland in my lifetime, Brexit, by accident, is the best chance of that happening.
There may be short term pain with Brexit, but if Boris manages to scramble a win in this election and get his deal through, then unless you are brain dead, what then happens is that Scotland with close to 85% of MPs from the SNP will be gagging for another independence referendum and overtime as is becoming evident, the little Englanders could not care less about NI, and that will open the door to the Border Poll.
Has it not dawned on Northern Nationalists, that in the past week, it has finally dawned on the DUPers and loyalists that Brexit could spell the end of the union, and now as we have seen this week, especially the guy on the Spotlight Special the other night, spouting the narrative that the "Union is more important than Brexit".
If you want a status quo of the north for another 50 years, then continue to pray for some mechanism that overturns Brexit.
If you wish see to the promised land of a United Ireland, then pray that Boris wins enough seats to force through the deal, which in turn sets in train the disintegration of the union.
reading the various hopes and predictions of our friends based in ulster, what staggers me is that most of you are blind to the bigger picture.
as a southerner, who does hope for a United Ireland in my lifetime, Brexit, by accident, is the best chance of that happening.
There may be short term pain with Brexit, but if Boris manages to scramble a win in this election and get his deal through, then unless you are brain dead, what then happens is that Scotland with close to 85% of MPs from the SNP will be gagging for another independence referendum and overtime as is becoming evident, the little Englanders could not care less about NI, and that will open the door to the Border Poll.
Has it not dawned on Northern Nationalists, that in the past week, it has finally dawned on the DUPers and loyalists that Brexit could spell the end of the union, and now as we have seen this week, especially the guy on the Spotlight Special the other night, spouting the narrative that the "Union is more important than Brexit".
If you want a status quo of the north for another 50 years, then continue to pray for some mechanism that overturns Brexit.
If you wish see to the promised land of a United Ireland, then pray that Boris wins enough seats to force through the deal, which in turn sets in train the disintegration of the union.
If I was a voting in a area where the seat was up for grabs id be changing my vote from SF to SDLP this time.I'm in North Belfast where the SDLP has no hope, so switching my vote to SF is the only way to have a chance of unseating Dodds. If it was Alliance in strong second, I'd switch to them instead. As it is, I'd rather have no one than Dodds.
Taylor and Frank.....what you are saying, I completely understand...I trade with companies in the north and travel frequently up there, so I am no stranger to reality.
However, your suggestion, that the short term pain would be hard to stomach, rings alarms bells with me......and those alarms are in the event of a border poll, just as we saw play out in Scotland, a percentage of Northern Caths/Nationalists, especially civil servants, may fear jumping from a safe job environment into the unknown of a UI and the leakage of the 5 to 7% could be the difference between the Union staying or a UI....in other words too many are selfish voters and are happy to ignore the bigger picture.
The smart arses in the DUP have walked into their own Brexit trap and it would be a dreadful irony if the nationalist votes(anti Brexit) proved to be the release mechanism for the DUPers.
reading the various hopes and predictions of our friends based in ulster, what staggers me is that most of you are blind to the bigger picture.
as a southerner, who does hope for a United Ireland in my lifetime, Brexit, by accident, is the best chance of that happening.
There may be short term pain with Brexit, but if Boris manages to scramble a win in this election and get his deal through, then unless you are brain dead, what then happens is that Scotland with close to 85% of MPs from the SNP will be gagging for another independence referendum and overtime as is becoming evident, the little Englanders could not care less about NI, and that will open the door to the Border Poll.
Has it not dawned on Northern Nationalists, that in the past week, it has finally dawned on the DUPers and loyalists that Brexit could spell the end of the union, and now as we have seen this week, especially the guy on the Spotlight Special the other night, spouting the narrative that the "Union is more important than Brexit".
If you want a status quo of the north for another 50 years, then continue to pray for some mechanism that overturns Brexit.
If you wish see to the promised land of a United Ireland, then pray that Boris wins enough seats to force through the deal, which in turn sets in train the disintegration of the union.
reading the various hopes and predictions of our friends based in ulster, what staggers me is that most of you are blind to the bigger picture.The NI economy is goosed so the longer it goes on the more likely a UI is. Throw in demographics. NI is doomed.
as a southerner, who does hope for a United Ireland in my lifetime, Brexit, by accident, is the best chance of that happening.
There may be short term pain with Brexit, but if Boris manages to scramble a win in this election and get his deal through, then unless you are brain dead, what then happens is that Scotland with close to 85% of MPs from the SNP will be gagging for another independence referendum and overtime as is becoming evident, the little Englanders could not care less about NI, and that will open the door to the Border Poll.
Has it not dawned on Northern Nationalists, that in the past week, it has finally dawned on the DUPers and loyalists that Brexit could spell the end of the union, and now as we have seen this week, especially the guy on the Spotlight Special the other night, spouting the narrative that the "Union is more important than Brexit".
If you want a status quo of the north for another 50 years, then continue to pray for some mechanism that overturns Brexit.
If you wish see to the promised land of a United Ireland, then pray that Boris wins enough seats to force through the deal, which in turn sets in train the disintegration of the union.
reading the various hopes and predictions of our friends based in ulster, what staggers me is that most of you are blind to the bigger picture.
as a southerner, who does hope for a United Ireland in my lifetime, Brexit, by accident, is the best chance of that happening.
There may be short term pain with Brexit, but if Boris manages to scramble a win in this election and get his deal through, then unless you are brain dead, what then happens is that Scotland with close to 85% of MPs from the SNP will be gagging for another independence referendum and overtime as is becoming evident, the little Englanders could not care less about NI, and that will open the door to the Border Poll.
Has it not dawned on Northern Nationalists, that in the past week, it has finally dawned on the DUPers and loyalists that Brexit could spell the end of the union, and now as we have seen this week, especially the guy on the Spotlight Special the other night, spouting the narrative that the "Union is more important than Brexit".
If you want a status quo of the north for another 50 years, then continue to pray for some mechanism that overturns Brexit.
If you wish see to the promised land of a United Ireland, then pray that Boris wins enough seats to force through the deal, which in turn sets in train the disintegration of the union.
The NI public finances are bust already. Building a whole new set of schools would be ruinous.
2 - Desegregate the education system. Catholic church wants to control schools? Fine. Let them pay for it from the church collection basket, but taxpayer funding for the CCMS needs to be phased out. "Faith formation" (or indoctrination/brainwashing to give it a more accurate title) can be done on the church's own time and at their own expense. Sure the pews are half empty these days. One more generation will wrap it up.
The phenomenon of "Catholic" and "Protestant" rural towns and villages is worse and more intractable than in the cities. At least city dwellers living in heterogenous zones get to meet and share facilities with "the other side" in city centres. That happens a lot less in the sticks.
3 - Desegregate housing. For "interface" areas where there are currently high walls and fences, is there some way the area could be re-architected with commercial development that's accessible to both sides? Replace walls with a space in which prods and taigs can mingle safely?
4 - Reform the southern state so that the catholic church is booted out of the education and health systems. If vital public services are being provided by churches and voluntary organizations it's a sign of a weak state. Strengthen the state.Its actually voluntary committees, not groups of priests and bishops, who run hospitals and schools here. Kick them out and you'll be left with the same politicians who have run our public services into the ground.
5 - Give it a few years for desegregation in the north to take effect, for some heat to be taken out of the environment, and for the current generation of bigoted unionist politicians to retire and hopefully be replaced by more reasonable youngsters.No mention of bigoted republican politicians. The idea that all these on both sides will disappear in a few years is laughable.
The NI public finances are bust already. Building a whole new set of schools would be ruinous.
No mention of bigoted republican politicians.
The NI public finances are bust already. Building a whole new set of schools would be ruinous.
Decrease funding to the CCMS, increase funding to the integrated sector. Same amount of money.
No mention of bigoted republican politicians.
Such as...?
No mention of bigoted republican politicians.
Such as...?
That a serious question?
No mention of bigoted republican politicians.
Such as...?
That a serious question?
Yes. Go right ahead. Name one bigoted Republican politician from a major political party ...
The NI public finances are bust already. Building a whole new set of schools would be ruinous.
Decrease funding to the CCMS, increase funding to the integrated sector. Same amount of money.
And buy or confiscate the existing building stock?
Trump going on Farage's show to slate Corbyn and tell everyone how great Boris is . . . I'm pretty sure this is playing right into Corbyn's hands!!!
Trump doesn't have the same pull in the UK as he has in the midwest.
No mention of bigoted republican politicians.
Such as...?
That a serious question?
Yes. Go right ahead. Name one bigoted Republican politician from a major political party ...
I will in my nelly expose myself to the libel laws. You can do your own research. It ain't hard.
Ha! Good excuse with the libel thing, terrible follow-up by asking me to back up your argument for you.
I accept your concession of the point. Unionist politicians are far more bigoted than republicans/nationalists.
Quote from: Eamonnca1Ha! Good excuse with the libel thing, terrible follow-up by asking me to back up your argument for you.
I accept your concession of the point. Unionist politicians are far more bigoted than republicans/nationalists.
So you accept there are bigoted republican politicians. Which means your barb about my exposure to the libel laws is moot.
Quote from: Eamonnca1Ha! Good excuse with the libel thing, terrible follow-up by asking me to back up your argument for you.
I accept your concession of the point. Unionist politicians are far more bigoted than republicans/nationalists.
So you accept there are bigoted republican politicians. Which means your barb about my exposure to the libel laws is moot.
Name one.
Quote from: Eamonnca1Ha! Good excuse with the libel thing, terrible follow-up by asking me to back up your argument for you.
I accept your concession of the point. Unionist politicians are far more bigoted than republicans/nationalists.
So you accept there are bigoted republican politicians. Which means your barb about my exposure to the libel laws is moot.
Name one.
Key Battleground of South Belfast:
Brexit Referendum 2016:
Total electorate: 66,664
Turnout: 44,583 (66.9%), 3/18.
Votes to REMAIN: 30,960 (69.5%);
Votes to LEAVE: 13,596 (30.5%).
Third highest REMAIN vote share in Northern Ireland
Westminster Election 2017:
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) 13,299 (30.4%)
Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,303 (25.9%)
Paula Bradshaw (Alliance) 7,946 (18.2%)
Máirtín Ó Muilleoir (SF) 7,143 (16.3%)
Clare Bailey (Green) 2,241 (5.1%)
Michael Henderson (UUP) 1,527 (3.5%)
Clare Salier (Con) 246 (0.6%)
Surely the Pro-Remain parties must do a election pack here, but if they do who gets the free run? It either have to be Claire Hanna (SDLP) or Paula Bradshaw (Alliance). Views Folks??
Key Battleground of South Belfast:
Brexit Referendum 2016:
Total electorate: 66,664
Turnout: 44,583 (66.9%), 3/18.
Votes to REMAIN: 30,960 (69.5%);
Votes to LEAVE: 13,596 (30.5%).
Third highest REMAIN vote share in Northern Ireland
Westminster Election 2017:
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) 13,299 (30.4%)
Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,303 (25.9%)
Paula Bradshaw (Alliance) 7,946 (18.2%)
Máirtín Ó Muilleoir (SF) 7,143 (16.3%)
Clare Bailey (Green) 2,241 (5.1%)
Michael Henderson (UUP) 1,527 (3.5%)
Clare Salier (Con) 246 (0.6%)
Surely the Pro-Remain parties must do a election pack here, but if they do who gets the free run? It either have to be Claire Hanna (SDLP) or Paula Bradshaw (Alliance). Views Folks??
Looking at the figures Boris will win this election by a very large margin.
Its time for both communities to go back to the more moderate . The nationalist community as stated above now need a voice in westminister . And the unionists need a more moderate party who actually want to get involved in govt. The need for SDLP the UUP and Alliance has never been greater. The Sdlp have some good people like Hanna, Mallon and Eastwood. Who actually care about people. Sinn Fein i believe would be delighted with a no deal brexit as it would bring a UI closer but people would be crippled for years in the north. And Sinn Fein in a united Ireland would be irrelevant as a party.
Looking at the figures Boris will win this election by a very large margin.
Looking at the figures Boris will win this election by a very large margin.
Way too early to tell that!! Also he's had a bad couple of days on the campaign trail so far this thing will close and it'll be a hung parliament!
Key Battleground of South Belfast:
Brexit Referendum 2016:
Total electorate: 66,664
Turnout: 44,583 (66.9%), 3/18.
Votes to REMAIN: 30,960 (69.5%);
Votes to LEAVE: 13,596 (30.5%).
Third highest REMAIN vote share in Northern Ireland
Westminster Election 2017:
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) 13,299 (30.4%)
Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,303 (25.9%)
Paula Bradshaw (Alliance) 7,946 (18.2%)
Máirtín Ó Muilleoir (SF) 7,143 (16.3%)
Clare Bailey (Green) 2,241 (5.1%)
Michael Henderson (UUP) 1,527 (3.5%)
Clare Salier (Con) 246 (0.6%)
Surely the Pro-Remain parties must do a election pack here, but if they do who gets the free run? It either have to be Claire Hanna (SDLP) or Paula Bradshaw (Alliance). Views Folks??
Would it not be possible to mobilise the Holylands if we got them sobered up??? There are lots of nationalist voters there and cant imagine it be too hard for them to change their address if they living there during the week?
Key Battleground of South Belfast:
Brexit Referendum 2016:
Total electorate: 66,664
Turnout: 44,583 (66.9%), 3/18.
Votes to REMAIN: 30,960 (69.5%);
Votes to LEAVE: 13,596 (30.5%).
Third highest REMAIN vote share in Northern Ireland
Westminster Election 2017:
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) 13,299 (30.4%)
Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,303 (25.9%)
Paula Bradshaw (Alliance) 7,946 (18.2%)
Máirtín Ó Muilleoir (SF) 7,143 (16.3%)
Clare Bailey (Green) 2,241 (5.1%)
Michael Henderson (UUP) 1,527 (3.5%)
Clare Salier (Con) 246 (0.6%)
Surely the Pro-Remain parties must do a election pack here, but if they do who gets the free run? It either have to be Claire Hanna (SDLP) or Paula Bradshaw (Alliance). Views Folks??
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Will there be a Unionist pact in Fermanagh South Tyrone?
Key Battleground of South Belfast:
Brexit Referendum 2016:
Total electorate: 66,664
Turnout: 44,583 (66.9%), 3/18.
Votes to REMAIN: 30,960 (69.5%);
Votes to LEAVE: 13,596 (30.5%).
Third highest REMAIN vote share in Northern Ireland
Westminster Election 2017:
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) 13,299 (30.4%)
Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,303 (25.9%)
Paula Bradshaw (Alliance) 7,946 (18.2%)
Máirtín Ó Muilleoir (SF) 7,143 (16.3%)
Clare Bailey (Green) 2,241 (5.1%)
Michael Henderson (UUP) 1,527 (3.5%)
Clare Salier (Con) 246 (0.6%)
Surely the Pro-Remain parties must do a election pack here, but if they do who gets the free run? It either have to be Claire Hanna (SDLP) or Paula Bradshaw (Alliance). Views Folks??
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Let Hanna have a free run there - the solicitor a free run in NB and Alliance a free run in East Belfast.
SF and SDLP can fight it out in Derry but it's a win for SDLP as unionists will vote for Eastwood. Personally zI think Eastwood is poor. Every election, he's in there, always about him and his profile. Another mess by the SDLP in regards their 'leader' in Westminister - they can't make their mind up can they/can they not have their leader in London. They change their mind - speaking about that what's the bet Stevie renages on his statement of standing Ulster unionists in every area?
I'd love to get Dodds get the boot in Nth. Belfast so all effort should go into that.
The problem is, as usual, there doesn't seem to be agreement in the Remain parties - SF/SDLP/Alliance and Greens etc. and it would be a serious balls up if the DUP, as Brexiteers, take the majority of the seats. It would send out a bad statement.
Looking at the figures Boris will win this election by a very large margin.
Way too early to tell that!! Also he's had a bad couple of days on the campaign trail so far this thing will close and it'll be a hung parliament!
I am worried this may be the outcome.
If it is then it's the end of Corbyn so basically it's the end of Corbyn or the end of Johnson I expect. I would rather see Johnson finished than Corbyn but I think it is a matter of time and the right circumstances before Corbyn is ousted anyway. I think this could be them.
Obvious thing to do in Sth and Nth Belfast is whichever Nationalist party got the highest vote to stand and the other step aside.They are used in elections in NI for Assembly and councils, but this is a UK wide election so you can hardly run it in the North on a completely different form to how it operates in Britain. They had the chance to remove FPTP in 2011 but it was rejected, so that's that.
Of course historically SF, the Irish Government etc should have insisted on PR being used in ALL 6 Co Elections ach sin scéal eile...
Corbyn isn't a fan of Zionists and various other high powered people who are up to no good. These people have power enough to ruin someone like that unfortunately. The anit semitism thing is in my view a smear campaign.There is a 3 way civil war in the UK
Agreed anything can be done to get the DUP out is what people should be after. In my constituency Pengelly is in and should never be. Hopefully Hanna will get in instead of her but the nationalist vote is very split whereas the unionist vote isn't at all which causes the problem.
Some reckon the DUP will go from 10 to 6. I'd love to see it but I think it may just be wishful thinking.
Key Battleground of South Belfast:
Brexit Referendum 2016:
Total electorate: 66,664
Turnout: 44,583 (66.9%), 3/18.
Votes to REMAIN: 30,960 (69.5%);
Votes to LEAVE: 13,596 (30.5%).
Third highest REMAIN vote share in Northern Ireland
Westminster Election 2017:
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) 13,299 (30.4%)
Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,303 (25.9%)
Paula Bradshaw (Alliance) 7,946 (18.2%)
Máirtín Ó Muilleoir (SF) 7,143 (16.3%)
Clare Bailey (Green) 2,241 (5.1%)
Michael Henderson (UUP) 1,527 (3.5%)
Clare Salier (Con) 246 (0.6%)
Surely the Pro-Remain parties must do a election pack here, but if they do who gets the free run? It either have to be Claire Hanna (SDLP) or Paula Bradshaw (Alliance). Views Folks??
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Let Hanna have a free run there - the solicitor a free run in NB and Alliance a free run in East Belfast.
SF and SDLP can fight it out in Derry but it's a win for SDLP as unionists will vote for Eastwood. Personally zI think Eastwood is poor. Every election, he's in there, always about him and his profile. Another mess by the SDLP in regards their 'leader' in Westminister - they can't make their mind up can they/can they not have their leader in London. They change their mind - speaking about that what's the bet Stevie renages on his statement of standing Ulster unionists in every area?
I'd love to get Dodds get the boot in Nth. Belfast so all effort should go into that.
The problem is, as usual, there doesn't seem to be agreement in the Remain parties - SF/SDLP/Alliance and Greens etc. and it would be a serious balls up if the DUP, as Brexiteers, take the majority of the seats. It would send out a bad statement.
That would make sense but it means remain parties setting aside their own narrow ambitions for the greater good and I'm not sure whether that will happen although they have fought a fairly united battle on Brexit related issues so we can hope.
Can't see too many unionists voting for Eastwood since he will take his seat in Westminster and might have some influence as a remainer however minor that is. Think it will be tight between SF and SDLP in Derry & Strabane. Finucane has to find 2,000 votes on Dodds and you would have to think that this will only be possible if SDLP step aside. An agreement for SF to step aside in South Belfast to allow Hanna get in and for SDLP to do likewise in north Belfast to give Finucane a chance would make sense.
Key Battleground of South Belfast:
Brexit Referendum 2016:
Total electorate: 66,664
Turnout: 44,583 (66.9%), 3/18.
Votes to REMAIN: 30,960 (69.5%);
Votes to LEAVE: 13,596 (30.5%).
Third highest REMAIN vote share in Northern Ireland
Westminster Election 2017:
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) 13,299 (30.4%)
Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,303 (25.9%)
Paula Bradshaw (Alliance) 7,946 (18.2%)
Máirtín Ó Muilleoir (SF) 7,143 (16.3%)
Clare Bailey (Green) 2,241 (5.1%)
Michael Henderson (UUP) 1,527 (3.5%)
Clare Salier (Con) 246 (0.6%)
Surely the Pro-Remain parties must do a election pack here, but if they do who gets the free run? It either have to be Claire Hanna (SDLP) or Paula Bradshaw (Alliance). Views Folks??
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Let Hanna have a free run there - the solicitor a free run in NB and Alliance a free run in East Belfast.
SF and SDLP can fight it out in Derry but it's a win for SDLP as unionists will vote for Eastwood. Personally zI think Eastwood is poor. Every election, he's in there, always about him and his profile. Another mess by the SDLP in regards their 'leader' in Westminister - they can't make their mind up can they/can they not have their leader in London. They change their mind - speaking about that what's the bet Stevie renages on his statement of standing Ulster unionists in every area?
I'd love to get Dodds get the boot in Nth. Belfast so all effort should go into that.
The problem is, as usual, there doesn't seem to be agreement in the Remain parties - SF/SDLP/Alliance and Greens etc. and it would be a serious balls up if the DUP, as Brexiteers, take the majority of the seats. It would send out a bad statement.
That would make sense but it means remain parties setting aside their own narrow ambitions for the greater good and I'm not sure whether that will happen although they have fought a fairly united battle on Brexit related issues so we can hope.
Can't see too many unionists voting for Eastwood since he will take his seat in Westminster and might have some influence as a remainer however minor that is. Think it will be tight between SF and SDLP in Derry & Strabane. Finucane has to find 2,000 votes on Dodds and you would have to think that this will only be possible if SDLP step aside. An agreement for SF to step aside in South Belfast to allow Hanna get in and for SDLP to do likewise in north Belfast to give Finucane a chance would make sense.
You're right - seems there's too many egos on the Remain side to sort out a pact.
Unlike the unionists!!! From now on, every election will be for the DUP. It'll be a DUP headcount and we can see that now with the pressure being put on their new leader. UU could be wiped out this time.
Re: Derry. I think Unionists will vote tactically to keep Mc A out. Simple as that. They know their votes matters in a tight count.
We all know this is the simole solution for the pro EU parties regarding NB, SB and EB but it'll be interesting to see over next few days.
Strabane is in West Tyrone and not Foyle
The problem is, as usual, there doesn't seem to be agreement in the Remain parties -
Can't see too many unionists voting for Eastwood since he will take his seat in Westminster and might have some influence as a remainer however minor that is. Think it will be tight between SF and SDLP in Derry & Strabane. Finucane has to find 2,000 votes on Dodds and you would have to think that this will only be possible if SDLP step aside. An agreement for SF to step aside in South Belfast to allow Hanna get in and for SDLP to do likewise in north Belfast to give Finucane a chance would make sense.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
Ourselves alone indeed.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
Ourselves alone indeed.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
There are bigots on both sides. It's very blinkered, and naive, to think otherwise.
Unionism is paranoid. The settler fear of the natives. Goes all the way back to 1641 and beyond. The symbols and the institutions. They have no other proofs that they belong. Israel and the US are the same. Irish people don’t have the same emptiness.There are bigots on both sides. It's very blinkered, and naive, to think otherwise.
Unionism is inherently homophobic, xenophobic, sectarian, and makes a point of blocking expressions of Irish culture at every turn.
Nationalism does not behave in that way. I don't buy this false equivalence.
Key Battleground of South Belfast:
Brexit Referendum 2016:
Total electorate: 66,664
Turnout: 44,583 (66.9%), 3/18.
Votes to REMAIN: 30,960 (69.5%);
Votes to LEAVE: 13,596 (30.5%).
Third highest REMAIN vote share in Northern Ireland
Westminster Election 2017:
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) 13,299 (30.4%)
Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 11,303 (25.9%)
Paula Bradshaw (Alliance) 7,946 (18.2%)
Máirtín Ó Muilleoir (SF) 7,143 (16.3%)
Clare Bailey (Green) 2,241 (5.1%)
Michael Henderson (UUP) 1,527 (3.5%)
Clare Salier (Con) 246 (0.6%)
Surely the Pro-Remain parties must do a election pack here, but if they do who gets the free run? It either have to be Claire Hanna (SDLP) or Paula Bradshaw (Alliance). Views Folks??
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Let Hanna have a free run there - the solicitor a free run in NB and Alliance a free run in East Belfast.
SF and SDLP can fight it out in Derry but it's a win for SDLP as unionists will vote for Eastwood. Personally zI think Eastwood is poor. Every election, he's in there, always about him and his profile. Another mess by the SDLP in regards their 'leader' in Westminister - they can't make their mind up can they/can they not have their leader in London. They change their mind - speaking about that what's the bet Stevie renages on his statement of standing Ulster unionists in every area?
I'd love to get Dodds get the boot in Nth. Belfast so all effort should go into that.
The problem is, as usual, there doesn't seem to be agreement in the Remain parties - SF/SDLP/Alliance and Greens etc. and it would be a serious balls up if the DUP, as Brexiteers, take the majority of the seats. It would send out a bad statement.
That would make sense but it means remain parties setting aside their own narrow ambitions for the greater good and I'm not sure whether that will happen although they have fought a fairly united battle on Brexit related issues so we can hope.
Can't see too many unionists voting for Eastwood since he will take his seat in Westminster and might have some influence as a remainer however minor that is. Think it will be tight between SF and SDLP in Derry & Strabane. Finucane has to find 2,000 votes on Dodds and you would have to think that this will only be possible if SDLP step aside. An agreement for SF to step aside in South Belfast to allow Hanna get in and for SDLP to do likewise in north Belfast to give Finucane a chance would make sense.
You're right - seems there's too many egos on the Remain side to sort out a pact.
Unlike the unionists!!! From now on, every election will be for the DUP. It'll be a DUP headcount and we can see that now with the pressure being put on their new leader. UU could be wiped out this time.
Re: Derry. I think Unionists will vote tactically to keep Mc A out. Simple as that. They know their votes matters in a tight count.
We all know this is the simole solution for the pro EU parties regarding NB, SB and EB but it'll be interesting to see over next few days.
It all depends on how many votes Anne McCloskey takes from SF and SDLP. Far bigger factor than the dubious "unionists voting for SDLP" factor. I have worked with a lot of unionists from Waterside and not one considered voting SDLP.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
Looks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
Looking at the figures Boris will win this election by a very large margin.
Way too early to tell that!! Also he's had a bad couple of days on the campaign trail so far this thing will close and it'll be a hung parliament!
I am worried this may be the outcome.
If it is then it's the end of Corbyn so basically it's the end of Corbyn or the end of Johnson I expect. I would rather see Johnson finished than Corbyn but I think it is a matter of time and the right circumstances before Corbyn is ousted anyway. I think this could be them.
I don't get why so many want to see the end of Corbyn.
Looking at the leaders of all the main parties, he's the only one who seems to be genuine when it comes to the NHS, the poor, the students and workers.
Forgetting about Brexit for a second, these are things that actually affect people currently and will continue to do so in the future.
I see lots of comments about anyone being better than Corbyn so they are voting Tory to keep him out but from my perspective, anyone is better than any Tory. I personally like Corbyn's politics.
I think Boris and Farage will do a deal and it could well still be as drastic as being a no-deal Brexit being the arrangement.
This could give the Tories a majority. Without that deal, I think it will only ever be a hung parliament.
I think Lib Dems will increase their share of the vote with the Remain promise, Labour will win in some areas and lose to UKIP/Tories in others with their promise of a people's vote.
I wonder would LibDems and Labour team up to form a coalition in the case of a hung parliament?
I terms of the local MPs, I'd like to see almost any opportunity taken to reduce the DUP representation in Westminster.
They are toxic.
To the point, that in the absence of any official pact with Alliance/SDLP I'd hope SF will decide not to run a candidate in certain constituencies to ensure a remain candidate is returned.
Their abstentionist policy wont change, so there is a need to look at the bigger picture on how they can influence proceedings in Westminster. Personally, I think Alliance have some excellent options and for SDLP I think Hanna is very good. I think they could represent the majority of the people here in terms of Brexit opinion.
Looks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
Awful statementLooks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
Looks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
Err obviously ...
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
So has the SDLP funny enough.Awful statementLooks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
But it sums up shinner thinking
this board has gone down hill in the 20 years I have been on it
UUP staff now receiving threats after their refusal to enter a pact with the DUP. Is this what democracy looks like in 2019, bully boy tactics to influence election results.
The chuckies seem to be more outspoken in their quest for an immediate border poll than they are in any opposition to Brexit. In fact they don't seem to be opposed to Brexit at all. It's like they see Brexit as an opportunity to come up with some novel arrangement for the North staying in the EU while Britain leaves.
Looks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
How do you work that out?
A very childish statement. Yes the sdlp have struggled since the days of Hume and Mallon. But are sinn fein really interested in whats best for the nationalist people? They havent shown it this last few years .they have poor leadership compared to what gerry and Martin offerred. Border poll this and border poll that. A border poll without proper dialogue would be a disaster. Alot of moderate nationalists currently have no interest in a united ireland .So has the SDLP funny enough.Awful statementLooks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
But it sums up shinner thinking
this board has gone down hill in the 20 years I have been on it
A very childish statement. Yes the sdlp have struggled since the days of Hume and Mallon. But are sinn fein really interested in whats best for the nationalist people? They havent shown it this last few years .they have poor leadership compared to what gerry and Martin offerred. Border poll this and border poll that. A border poll without proper dialogue would be a disaster. Alot of moderate nationalists currently have no interest in a united ireland .So has the SDLP funny enough.Awful statementLooks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
But it sums up shinner thinking
this board has gone down hill in the 20 years I have been on it
A very childish statement. Yes the sdlp have struggled since the days of Hume and Mallon. But are sinn fein really interested in whats best for the nationalist people? They havent shown it this last few years .they have poor leadership compared to what gerry and Martin offerred. Border poll this and border poll that. A border poll without proper dialogue would be a disaster. Alot of moderate nationalists currently have no interest in a united ireland .So has the SDLP funny enough.Awful statementLooks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
But it sums up shinner thinking
this board has gone down hill in the 20 years I have been on it
Out for a walk this morning & Bradshaw has her posters up. No pact in South Belfast, by the looks of it & thon DUP piece of shit will keep her seat, unfortunately.
What is the SF plan for day 2 of a United Ireland ?Looks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
How do you work that out?
Probably because they don't shout tiocfaidh ar la, and want to engage in political institutions to serve their electorate.
Out for a walk this morning & Bradshaw has her posters up. No pact in South Belfast, by the looks of it & thon DUP piece of shit will keep her seat, unfortunately.
What is the SF plan for day 2 of a United Ireland ?Looks like the situation at the minute anyway.... sdlp=unionists dressed as nationalists.
Sinn Fein need to get out of here and let Hanna have a run at it ... it's a done deal if they do sure McDonnell was useless and nearly ousted Pengelly last time!
Sinn Fein have no interest in the SDLP being successful. They would rather get to the situation where they are the only voice for nationalism in the north.
How do you work that out?
Probably because they don't shout tiocfaidh ar la, and want to engage in political institutions to serve their electorate.
The DUP will not be running a candidate in FSTNo different from 2017 and SF still won the seat.
The DUP will not be running a candidate in FST
The DUP will not be running a candidate in FST
The DUP are running scared , they are getting in early re FST as they are happy that Tom Elliott is one of their own anyway ,but hoping UUP will continue to stand aside in NB particularly ,?as Dodds is under serious pressure. A low key SDLP campaign in NB could ensure John Finucane gets over the line, moving Dodds off the stage with his tail between his legs, which would send a clear message to DUP. For a purely pro-remain return A Clare Hanna victory in SB, Naomi long in EB and Colm Eastwood In Foyle and SDLP win in South Down, is the best scenario to optimise Pro-remain voting strength in Westminster . Will remainers vote tactically in this election and give a sobering message to DUP. I sense many will put party political loyalty to one side to hammer the DUP and move us out of the nonsense we continue to endure from them.
Edit: Tom Elliott, whom Arlene endorsed in a tweet today, has said he has not yet even expressed an interest in running.The DUP will not be running a candidate in FSTNo different from 2017 and SF still won the seat.
The DUP crashed and burned with Brexit so there will be some kind of price to payThe DUP will not be running a candidate in FST
The DUP are running scared , they are getting in early re FST as they are happy that Tom Elliott is one of their own anyway ,but hoping UUP will continue to stand aside in NB particularly ,?as Dodds is under serious pressure. A low key SDLP campaign in NB could ensure John Finucane gets over the line, moving Dodds off the stage with his tail between his legs, which would send a clear message to DUP. For a purely pro-remain return A Clare Hanna victory in SB, Naomi long in EB and Colm Eastwood In Foyle and SDLP win in South Down, is the best scenario to optimise Pro-remain voting strength in Westminster . Will remainers vote tactically in this election and give a sobering message to DUP. I sense many will put party political loyalty to one side to hammer the DUP and move us out of the nonsense we continue to endure from them.
The DUP crashed and burned with Brexit so there will be some kind of price to payThe DUP will not be running a candidate in FST
The DUP are running scared , they are getting in early re FST as they are happy that Tom Elliott is one of their own anyway ,but hoping UUP will continue to stand aside in NB particularly ,?as Dodds is under serious pressure. A low key SDLP campaign in NB could ensure John Finucane gets over the line, moving Dodds off the stage with his tail between his legs, which would send a clear message to DUP. For a purely pro-remain return A Clare Hanna victory in SB, Naomi long in EB and Colm Eastwood In Foyle and SDLP win in South Down, is the best scenario to optimise Pro-remain voting strength in Westminster . Will remainers vote tactically in this election and give a sobering message to DUP. I sense many will put party political loyalty to one side to hammer the DUP and move us out of the nonsense we continue to endure from them.
Edit: Tom Elliott, whom Arlene endorsed in a tweet today, has said he has not yet even expressed an interest in running.The DUP will not be running a candidate in FSTNo different from 2017 and SF still won the seat.
UUP have pulled out of North Belfast. Good to see UDA intimidation still works FFS. Aiken and the UUP are an absolute joke and are finished now if anyone was in any doubt
Steve 'Yellow Submarine' Aiken. Leadership a complete and utter failure before it's even begun. Final nail in coffin of party that led apartheid regime here from 1921 to 1972.
SDLP not standing in N Belfast, not in East or North Down. Smart decision, SF likely to reciprocate in South Belfast. SF need to play a smart campaign in NB now and go full on anti-DUP.
Anti-DUP sounds a bit like themmuns. Pro GFA would be a stronger suit.
Anti-DUP sounds a bit like themmuns. Pro GFA would be a stronger suit.Absolutely not. A build-up of anti DUP sentiment doesn’t just cover GFA or Brexit, but also their attempts to deny equal rights, plus their involvement in numerous scandals. Having read the book on RHI, the workings of that party have utterly disgusted me further.
Anti-DUP sounds a bit like themmuns. Pro GFA would be a stronger suit.The themmuns modes means failure is tolerated . The DUP made a horse's arse of Brexit and the customs border will increase costs for both sens of muns.
Fair play to Nicola Mallon - that's leadership. They've made this decision unilaterally i.e. no contact with other parties.
Be interesting to see how the numbers stack up.
I take it no 'dissidents' will be voting!
Fair play to Nicola Mallon - that's leadership. They've made this decision unilaterally i.e. no contact with other parties.
Be interesting to see how the numbers stack up.
I take it no 'dissidents' will be voting!
Ahem, Nicola said on the radio this morning that Michelle was on the phone a week or so ago but nothing was agreed formally and no "pacts" were in place.
I think its sensible politics from the SDLP and if Eastwood does take a seat in Foyle then no harm done IMO.
Shinners need to reciprocate.
Getting shot of Pengelly, Dodds and even Robinson would be some going.
SDLP not standing in N Belfast, not in East or North Down. Smart decision, SF likely to reciprocate in South Belfast. SF need to play a smart campaign in NB now and go full on anti-DUP.
Are they?
SDLP not standing in N Belfast, not in East or North Down. Smart decision, SF likely to reciprocate in South Belfast. SF need to play a smart campaign in NB now and go full on anti-DUP.
Are they?
Yes.
Fair play to Nicola Mallon - that's leadership. They've made this decision unilaterally i.e. no contact with other parties.
Be interesting to see how the numbers stack up.
I take it no 'dissidents' will be voting!
Ahem, Nicola said on the radio this morning that Michelle was on the phone a week or so ago but nothing was agreed formally and no "pacts" were in place.
I think its sensible politics from the SDLP and if Eastwood does take a seat in Foyle then no harm done IMO.
Shinners need to reciprocate.
Getting shot of Pengelly, Dodds and even Robinson would be some going.
Fair play to Nicola Mallon - that's leadership. They've made this decision unilaterally i.e. no contact with other parties.
Be interesting to see how the numbers stack up.
I take it no 'dissidents' will be voting!
Ahem, Nicola said on the radio this morning that Michelle was on the phone a week or so ago but nothing was agreed formally and no "pacts" were in place.
I think its sensible politics from the SDLP and if Eastwood does take a seat in Foyle then no harm done IMO.
Shinners need to reciprocate.
Getting shot of Pengelly, Dodds and even Robinson would be some going.
I believe this will happen! Be great
Fair play to Nicola Mallon - that's leadership. They've made this decision unilaterally i.e. no contact with other parties.
Be interesting to see how the numbers stack up.
I take it no 'dissidents' will be voting!
Ahem, Nicola said on the radio this morning that Michelle was on the phone a week or so ago but nothing was agreed formally and no "pacts" were in place.
I think its sensible politics from the SDLP and if Eastwood does take a seat in Foyle then no harm done IMO.
Shinners need to reciprocate.
Getting shot of Pengelly, Dodds and even Robinson would be some going.
I believe this will happen! Be great
Sinn Fein are stepping down in all 3 seats!!
Fair play to Nicola Mallon - that's leadership. They've made this decision unilaterally i.e. no contact with other parties.
Be interesting to see how the numbers stack up.
I take it no 'dissidents' will be voting!
Ahem, Nicola said on the radio this morning that Michelle was on the phone a week or so ago but nothing was agreed formally and no "pacts" were in place.
I think its sensible politics from the SDLP and if Eastwood does take a seat in Foyle then no harm done IMO.
Shinners need to reciprocate.
Getting shot of Pengelly, Dodds and even Robinson would be some going.
I believe this will happen! Be great
Sinn Fein are stepping down in all 3 seats!!
Still standing against Dobbs in North Belfast, but stepping down in North Down.
Will Alliance put a hard push on canvassing in NB and SB especially? Or will it be a token effort, to allow them to justify their claim of not entering into pacts and running in every constituency.
I think Naomi Long alluded on twitter to the electorate being intelligent enough to vote for themselves, so hopefully this is the case and the DUP can be wiped from those two seats.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse.
What was the numbers at the last election in NB?
What was the numbers at the last election in NB?
21240 Dodds
19159 Finucane
There were 2k SDLP votes last time which are now up for grabs . It's very much in play.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
What was the numbers at the last election in NB?
21240 Dodds
19159 Finucane
There were 2k SDLP votes last time which are now up for grabs . It's very much in play.
What was the numbers at the last election in NB?
21240 Dodds
19159 Finucane
There were 2k SDLP votes last time which are now up for grabs . It's very much in play.
It just comes down to a good old sectarian head count.
What was the numbers at the last election in NB?
21240 Dodds
19159 Finucane
There were 2k SDLP votes last time which are now up for grabs . It's very much in play.
Even if SF had got all the SDLP votes they would have still lost by 23
What was the numbers at the last election in NB?
21240 Dodds
19159 Finucane
There were 2k SDLP votes last time which are now up for grabs . It's very much in play.
Even if SF had got all the SDLP votes they would have still lost by 23
What was the numbers at the last election in NB?
21240 Dodds
19159 Finucane
There were 2k SDLP votes last time which are now up for grabs . It's very much in play.
Even if SF had got all the SDLP votes they would have still lost by 23
I doubt the majority of SDLP voters will switch to the shinners.
What was the numbers at the last election in NB?
21240 Dodds
19159 Finucane
There were 2k SDLP votes last time which are now up for grabs . It's very much in play.
It just comes down to a good old sectarian head count.
There is nothing sectarian about my dislike of the DUP
3. Sinn Féin is utterly useless and doesn't represent anyone but their own self interests.
I don’t see it that way. The fact that both nationalist parties are stepping aside in North Down and East Belfast means it can’t be viewed as that. Also the fact that both will contest Fermanagh and South Tyrone also means that unlike the DUP/UUP arrangement this isn’t a sectarian head countWhat was the numbers at the last election in NB?
21240 Dodds
19159 Finucane
There were 2k SDLP votes last time which are now up for grabs . It's very much in play.
It just comes down to a good old sectarian head count.
How many votes did sinn fein get in last election in south,east,belfast and in north down?
How many votes did sinn fein get in last election in south,east,belfast and in north down?Approx 7k in South Belfast. Other 2 a couple of hundred
How many votes did sinn fein get in last election in south,east,belfast and in north down?
You are on the internet and you can't look that up?
How many votes did sinn fein get in last election in south,east,belfast and in north down?
You are on the internet and you can't look that up?
You're as bad as Syferus was.
Good move by the 2 nationalist parties. I imagine N Belfast will be very, very ugly.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Johnson is a babtised catholic, allegedly free from original sin.Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
Well the Labour Party is in a right fix about the Jewish question, so maybe there is an issue in political life in England surrounding religion.
Greens stepping aside in South Belfast too. . . Based on the last election Hannah should walk it without SF and the Greens there!!
Johnson is a catholic, why is that being ignored here?
Greens stepping aside in South Belfast too. . . Based on the last election Hannah should walk it without SF and the Greens there!!
Great stuff good riddance to ELP
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
None of them are PM or monarch though.
That "Duchess" had to renounce any claim to the Monarchy even though she was about 40th in line for it.
ReesMogg and Duncan Smith are some examples of English Catholics!!
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
None of them are PM or monarch though.
This is nonsense
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
None of them are PM or monarch though.
This is nonsense
Britain is a Protestant country from the top down. Nothing nonsense about it.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
None of them are PM or monarch though.
This is nonsense
Britain is a Protestant country from the top down. Nothing nonsense about it.
So you can't be a Catholic and PM. Is that what you are saying?
Any word of reciprocal moves from Alliance in South Belfast/ North Down, couldn't see them doing it in NB TBF.
Would have thought the Green's would withdraw in North Down and East Belfast also.
Could Upper Bann be in play at all for a pact?
Or even South Antrim to help out UU they prob burnt that bridge by withdrawing from NB?
Is Paula Bradshaw not standing in south Belfast?
Any word of reciprocal moves from Alliance in South Belfast/ North Down, couldn't see them doing it in NB TBF.
Would have thought the Green's would withdraw in North Down and East Belfast also.
Could Upper Bann be in play at all for a pact?
Or even South Antrim to help out UU they prob burnt that bridge by withdrawing from NB?
Is Paula Bradshaw not standing in south Belfast?
Posters are up anyway...
Any word of reciprocal moves from Alliance in South Belfast/ North Down, couldn't see them doing it in NB TBF.
Would have thought the Green's would withdraw in North Down and East Belfast also.
Could Upper Bann be in play at all for a pact?
Or even South Antrim to help out UU they prob burnt that bridge by withdrawing from NB?
Couldn't see it. Results from 2017 general election:
DUP 43.5%
SF 27.9%
UUP 15.4%
SDLP 8.6%
Alliance 4.5%
Is Paula Bradshaw not standing in south Belfast?
Posters are up anyway...
Looks like Hanna is the go to & she will unseat that bitter piece of shit that we currently have for an MP. Naomi Long ought to have had some guts the other day, rather than waffling. If Alliance had pulled Bradshaw, they could have put all their resources into flooding East Belfast & getting in there again.
Any word of reciprocal moves from Alliance in South Belfast/ North Down, couldn't see them doing it in NB TBF.
Would have thought the Green's would withdraw in North Down and East Belfast also.
Could Upper Bann be in play at all for a pact?
Or even South Antrim to help out UU they prob burnt that bridge by withdrawing from NB?
Couldn't see it. Results from 2017 general election:
DUP 43.5%
SF 27.9%
UUP 15.4%
SDLP 8.6%
Alliance 4.5%
The DUP Brexit result is atrocious. I wouldn't rule out a backlash
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Britain is a Protestant country from the top down. Nothing nonsense about it.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
I can google alright. My question to bennycake still stands?
My question to you is what is this law that you are referencing about a catholic’s eligibility to be PM?
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
None of them are PM or monarch though.
This is nonsense
Britain is a Protestant country from the top down. Nothing nonsense about it.
So you can't be a Catholic and PM. Is that what you are saying?
Well, it was the case. They might have tweaked that law, but still, Blair didn’t convert until after he was British PM, so obviously there is still an issue with it.
The Q is head of the COE, and all things parliament has to be approved by her. Plus, no input from any but Protestant clerics in House of Lords says everything.
Any word of reciprocal moves from Alliance in South Belfast/ North Down, couldn't see them doing it in NB TBF.
Would have thought the Green's would withdraw in North Down and East Belfast also.
Could Upper Bann be in play at all for a pact?
Or even South Antrim to help out UU they prob burnt that bridge by withdrawing from NB?
Couldn't see it. Results from 2017 general election:
DUP 43.5%
SF 27.9%
UUP 15.4%
SDLP 8.6%
Alliance 4.5%
The DUP Brexit result is atrocious. I wouldn't rule out a backlash
I would. Areas like this and north Antrim won’t change.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
None of them are PM or monarch though.
This is nonsense
Britain is a Protestant country from the top down. Nothing nonsense about it.
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
I can google alright. My question to bennycake still stands?
My question to you is what is this law that you are referencing about a catholic’s eligibility to be PM?
I didn’t make it up
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
None of them are PM or monarch though.
This is nonsense
Britain is a Protestant country from the top down. Nothing nonsense about it.
Tell the average man on the street outside NI and Scotland that they are a Protestant and they are likely to politely smile and move to the sane side of the street
Armstrong is a complete ignoramus. Just cos she's the Alliance Chief Whip at Stormont, she thinks she owns the place. Completely up her own arse - a vindictive & nasty piece of work altogether.
Remember on Nolan once she was talking absolute shite about how the Republic still had a lot to do to become as liberal and progressive as the UK, funny I dont remember when the UK had a PM who was openly gay and non-white. Sure even Tony Blair didnt become a catholic until he was out of office for fear of the shit storm it would cause. Nope I cant stand her and I once voted Alliance but they seem to be annoying me more and more
Blair converting might have something to do with Catholics not allowed to be the British PM.
When and where did you make that one up?
A quick google should tell you that although the law is not fully explicit for PM there is something to it....
The law was only changed in the last couple of years methinks. Was the same for the line of succession to the throne (or whatever it’s called) until around the same time.
They say it was changed recently. Maybe the anti-catholic stance has diminished (on the surface) in Britain, but the House of Lords has COE leaders only in it. No influence from Catholicism. The idea is that having Catholics around the place advising the government and royalty and pushing their Vatican dogma, we’ll we couldn’t have that, could we?
Anyway, I wouldn’t be fooled by the removal of the Catholic monarch/PM thing. Britain from the top, is as still sectarian as anything you’d have seen at the time of Henry 8 or the setup of Guy Fawkes.
Duchess of Kent was received into the Catholic church in 1994. Both Jacob Rees Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith are Catholics.
None of them are PM or monarch though.
This is nonsense
Britain is a Protestant country from the top down. Nothing nonsense about it.
Tell the average man on the street outside NI and Scotland that they are a Protestant and they are likely to politely smile and move to the sane side of the street
Do you work for the Belfast Telegraph? Shit stirrer.
Any word of reciprocal moves from Alliance in South Belfast/ North Down, couldn't see them doing it in NB TBF.
Would have thought the Green's would withdraw in North Down and East Belfast also.
Could Upper Bann be in play at all for a pact?
Or even South Antrim to help out UU they prob burnt that bridge by withdrawing from NB?
Couldn't see it. Results from 2017 general election:
DUP 43.5%
SF 27.9%
UUP 15.4%
SDLP 8.6%
Alliance 4.5%
The DUP Brexit result is atrocious. I wouldn't rule out a backlash
Is Paula Bradshaw not standing in south Belfast?
Posters are up anyway...
Looks like Hanna is the go to & she will unseat that bitter piece of shit that we currently have for an MP. Naomi Long ought to have had some guts the other day, rather than waffling. If Alliance had pulled Bradshaw, they could have put all their resources into flooding East Belfast & getting in there again.
After this election, do you reckon there'll be another election next year?
Any word of reciprocal moves from Alliance in South Belfast/ North Down, couldn't see them doing it in NB TBF.
Would have thought the Green's would withdraw in North Down and East Belfast also.
Could Upper Bann be in play at all for a pact?
Or even South Antrim to help out UU they prob burnt that bridge by withdrawing from NB?
Couldn't see it. Results from 2017 general election:
DUP 43.5%
SF 27.9%
UUP 15.4%
SDLP 8.6%
Alliance 4.5%
The DUP Brexit result is atrocious. I wouldn't rule out a backlash
I would. Areas like this and north Antrim won’t change.
Tories have made a right pigs ear of today after Boris started well with his letter to Corbyn about his Brexit position.
Rees Mog and then Bridgen both showing they’re stupid f**ks!! I doubt we’ll see much of either of them again the next few weeks!!!
The path is now clear for Clare Hanna in South Belfast and I think Pengelly is toast there now. If Alliance had stepped down in North Belfast I think Dodds would have been under some pressure there also. I wonder though might the UDA throwing their might behind the Dodds campaign backfire slightly on them. There will be soft unionists and middle of the road voters who would not countenance a vote for a candidate who has had a paramilitary organisation help ward off rival candidates from standing.
Paddy Power's odds on whom will win each Westminster constituency in NI...Best case is
East Belfast
8/13 DUP
5/4 Alliance
33/1 Greens
50/1 UUP
66/1 NI Conservatives
West Belfast
1/200 Sinn Fein
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 DUP
South Belfast
2/9 SDLP
7/2 Alliance
6/1 DUP
66/1 Greens
125/1 NI Conservatives
125/1 UUP
North Belfast
4/6 DUP
Evens Sinn Fein
50/1 Greens
66/1 Alliance
East Derry
1/100 DUP
66/1 SDLP
66/1 Sinn Fein
100/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 NI Conservatives
Strangford
1/200 DUP
20/1 Alliance
100/1 Sinn Fein
100/1 UUP
100/1 SDLP
South Down
1/4 Sinn Fein
23/10 SDLP
66/1 DUP
100/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
West Tyrone
1/200 Sinn Fein
50/1 DUP
66/1 SDLP
66/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
North Antrim
1/200 DUP
50/1 UUP
50/1 Sinn Fein
66/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
Upper Bann
1/100 DUP
33/1 Sinn Fein
50/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
Newry & Armagh
1/100 Sinn Fein
33/1 DUP
66/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 UUP
East Antrim
1/200 DUP
33/1 Alliance
66/1 Sinn Fein
66/1 UUP
66/1 SDLP
100/1 NI Conservatives
100/1 Greens
Foyle
4/6 SDLP
11/10 Sinn Fein
100/1 DUP
100/1 Alliance
Fermanagh & South Tyrone
8/15 Sinn Fein
11/8 UUP
100/1 Greens
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
South Antrim
4/7 DUP
13/5 UUP
3/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Sinn Fein
Mid-Ulster
1/100 Sinn Fein
33/1 DUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 UUP
Lagan Valley
1/200 DUP
20/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 NI Conservatives
100/1 UUP
100/1 Sinn Fein
North Down
No odds yet published
Paddy Power's odds on whom will win each Westminster constituency in NI...Best case is
East Belfast
8/13 DUP
5/4 Alliance
33/1 Greens
50/1 UUP
66/1 NI Conservatives
West Belfast
1/200 Sinn Fein
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 DUP
South Belfast
2/9 SDLP
7/2 Alliance
6/1 DUP
66/1 Greens
125/1 NI Conservatives
125/1 UUP
North Belfast
4/6 DUP
Evens Sinn Fein
50/1 Greens
66/1 Alliance
East Derry
1/100 DUP
66/1 SDLP
66/1 Sinn Fein
100/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 NI Conservatives
Strangford
1/200 DUP
20/1 Alliance
100/1 Sinn Fein
100/1 UUP
100/1 SDLP
South Down
1/4 Sinn Fein
23/10 SDLP
66/1 DUP
100/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
West Tyrone
1/200 Sinn Fein
50/1 DUP
66/1 SDLP
66/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
North Antrim
1/200 DUP
50/1 UUP
50/1 Sinn Fein
66/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
Upper Bann
1/100 DUP
33/1 Sinn Fein
50/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
Newry & Armagh
1/100 Sinn Fein
33/1 DUP
66/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 UUP
East Antrim
1/200 DUP
33/1 Alliance
66/1 Sinn Fein
66/1 UUP
66/1 SDLP
100/1 NI Conservatives
100/1 Greens
Foyle
4/6 SDLP
11/10 Sinn Fein
100/1 DUP
100/1 Alliance
Fermanagh & South Tyrone
8/15 Sinn Fein
11/8 UUP
100/1 Greens
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
South Antrim
4/7 DUP
13/5 UUP
3/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Sinn Fein
Mid-Ulster
1/100 Sinn Fein
33/1 DUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 UUP
Lagan Valley
1/200 DUP
20/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 NI Conservatives
100/1 UUP
100/1 Sinn Fein
North Down
No odds yet published
East Belfast Alliance
West Belfast SF
North Belfast SF
South Belfast SDLP
Foyle SF
Newry/Armagh SF
FST SF
North Down Independent
Mid Ulster SF
Lagan Valley DUP
South Antrim DUP
East Antrim DUP
Upper Bann DUP
South Down SF
East Derry DUP
West Tyrone SF
Strangford DUP
Upper Bann DUP
Giving
SF 8
Alliance 1
SDLP 1
Independents 1
And the other vermin 7.
We can but dream.
Paddy Power's odds on whom will win each Westminster constituency in NI...Best case is
East Belfast
8/13 DUP
5/4 Alliance
33/1 Greens
50/1 UUP
66/1 NI Conservatives
West Belfast
1/200 Sinn Fein
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 DUP
South Belfast
2/9 SDLP
7/2 Alliance
6/1 DUP
66/1 Greens
125/1 NI Conservatives
125/1 UUP
North Belfast
4/6 DUP
Evens Sinn Fein
50/1 Greens
66/1 Alliance
East Derry
1/100 DUP
66/1 SDLP
66/1 Sinn Fein
100/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 NI Conservatives
Strangford
1/200 DUP
20/1 Alliance
100/1 Sinn Fein
100/1 UUP
100/1 SDLP
South Down
1/4 Sinn Fein
23/10 SDLP
66/1 DUP
100/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
West Tyrone
1/200 Sinn Fein
50/1 DUP
66/1 SDLP
66/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
North Antrim
1/200 DUP
50/1 UUP
50/1 Sinn Fein
66/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
Upper Bann
1/100 DUP
33/1 Sinn Fein
50/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
Newry & Armagh
1/100 Sinn Fein
33/1 DUP
66/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 UUP
East Antrim
1/200 DUP
33/1 Alliance
66/1 Sinn Fein
66/1 UUP
66/1 SDLP
100/1 NI Conservatives
100/1 Greens
Foyle
4/6 SDLP
11/10 Sinn Fein
100/1 DUP
100/1 Alliance
Fermanagh & South Tyrone
8/15 Sinn Fein
11/8 UUP
100/1 Greens
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
South Antrim
4/7 DUP
13/5 UUP
3/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Sinn Fein
Mid-Ulster
1/100 Sinn Fein
33/1 DUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 UUP
Lagan Valley
1/200 DUP
20/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 NI Conservatives
100/1 UUP
100/1 Sinn Fein
North Down
No odds yet published
East Belfast Alliance
West Belfast SF
North Belfast SF
South Belfast SDLP
Foyle SF
Newry/Armagh SF
FST SF
North Down Independent
Mid Ulster SF
Lagan Valley DUP
South Antrim DUP
East Antrim DUP
Upper Bann DUP
South Down SF
East Derry DUP
West Tyrone SF
Strangford DUP
Upper Bann DUP
Giving
SF 8
Alliance 1
SDLP 1
Independents 1
And the other vermin 7.
We can but dream.
Do you regularly call people “vermin”. By all means hold DUP to account for their many failings but have a word with yourself.
Are you sure about Foyle there? How is Elisha doing? Pity Durkan isn’t standing again
It’s a rather revolting indictment of the 6 counties that 80% of seats are completely and utterly locked up for either the party that would destroy NI through its own greed, and the party who won’t represent anyone who votes for it.
We deserve to sink into the sea folks.
It’s a rather revolting indictment of the 6 counties that 80% of seats are completely and utterly locked up for either the party that would destroy NI through its own greed, and the party who won’t represent anyone who votes for it.
We deserve to sink into the sea folks.
I see it as an indictment of the first-past-the-post system.
It’s a rather revolting indictment of the 6 counties that 80% of seats are completely and utterly locked up for either the party that would destroy NI through its own greed, and the party who won’t represent anyone who votes for it.
We deserve to sink into the sea folks.
I see it as an indictment of the first-past-the-post system.
It would be the same political party breakdown regardless of how the election is configured.
Paddy Power's odds on whom will win each Westminster constituency in NI...Best case is
East Belfast
8/13 DUP
5/4 Alliance
33/1 Greens
50/1 UUP
66/1 NI Conservatives
West Belfast
1/200 Sinn Fein
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 DUP
South Belfast
2/9 SDLP
7/2 Alliance
6/1 DUP
66/1 Greens
125/1 NI Conservatives
125/1 UUP
North Belfast
4/6 DUP
Evens Sinn Fein
50/1 Greens
66/1 Alliance
East Derry
1/100 DUP
66/1 SDLP
66/1 Sinn Fein
100/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 NI Conservatives
Strangford
1/200 DUP
20/1 Alliance
100/1 Sinn Fein
100/1 UUP
100/1 SDLP
South Down
1/4 Sinn Fein
23/10 SDLP
66/1 DUP
100/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
West Tyrone
1/200 Sinn Fein
50/1 DUP
66/1 SDLP
66/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
North Antrim
1/200 DUP
50/1 UUP
50/1 Sinn Fein
66/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
Upper Bann
1/100 DUP
33/1 Sinn Fein
50/1 UUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
Newry & Armagh
1/100 Sinn Fein
33/1 DUP
66/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 UUP
East Antrim
1/200 DUP
33/1 Alliance
66/1 Sinn Fein
66/1 UUP
66/1 SDLP
100/1 NI Conservatives
100/1 Greens
Foyle
4/6 SDLP
11/10 Sinn Fein
100/1 DUP
100/1 Alliance
Fermanagh & South Tyrone
8/15 Sinn Fein
11/8 UUP
100/1 Greens
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Alliance
South Antrim
4/7 DUP
13/5 UUP
3/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 Sinn Fein
Mid-Ulster
1/100 Sinn Fein
33/1 DUP
100/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 UUP
Lagan Valley
1/200 DUP
20/1 Alliance
100/1 SDLP
100/1 NI Conservatives
100/1 UUP
100/1 Sinn Fein
North Down
No odds yet published
East Belfast Alliance
West Belfast SF
North Belfast SF
South Belfast SDLP
Foyle SF
Newry/Armagh SF
FST SF
North Down Independent
Mid Ulster SF
Lagan Valley DUP
South Antrim DUP
East Antrim DUP
Upper Bann DUP
South Down SF
East Derry DUP
West Tyrone SF
Strangford DUP
Upper Bann DUP
Giving
SF 8
Alliance 1
SDLP 1
Independents 1
And the other vermin 7.
We can but dream.
Do you regularly call people “vermin”. By all means hold DUP to account for their many failings but have a word with yourself.
Are you sure about Foyle there? How is Elisha doing? Pity Durkan isn’t standing again
Was mildly surprised to see Colum Eastwood favourite against Elisha McCallion, perhaps Eastwoods higher profile might work in his favour and the fact that he will also take up his seat. Still expect that one to be very close though.
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It will be close but Elisha is not rated too much down these parts
Is Aontú standing in this election or have they folded?
It’s a rather revolting indictment of the 6 counties that 80% of seats are completely and utterly locked up for either the party that would destroy NI through its own greed, and the party who won’t represent anyone who votes for it.
We deserve to sink into the sea folks.
I see it as an indictment of the first-past-the-post system.
It would be the same political party breakdown regardless of how the election is configured.
Is Aontú standing in this election or have they folded?
I doubt if both members of that party had the capacity to run an election campaign.
Just for reference is the the Shankill split between NB and WB?
Also does the motorway form the boundary for SB and WB?
Is Aontú standing in this election or have they folded?Dr Anne McCloskey standing in Foyle. Current sitting councillor
::)Is Aontú standing in this election or have they folded?
I doubt if both members of that party had the capacity to run an election campaign.
Any word of reciprocal moves from Alliance in South Belfast/ North Down, couldn't see them doing it in NB TBF.
Would have thought the Green's would withdraw in North Down and East Belfast also.
Could Upper Bann be in play at all for a pact?
Or even South Antrim to help out UU they prob burnt that bridge by withdrawing from NB?
Couldn't see it. Results from 2017 general election:
DUP 43.5%
SF 27.9%
UUP 15.4%
SDLP 8.6%
Alliance 4.5%
The DUP Brexit result is atrocious. I wouldn't rule out a backlash
I would. Areas like this and north Antrim won’t change.
I agree. Upper Bann is a safe DUP seat. Arlene could blow millions on a half baked heating scheme and the DUP wouldn't lose a single vote. The unionists have more in common with free staters than they care to admit.
David Simpson not standing in Upper Bann, unlikely it will end up as anything other than a DUP return regardless.Shagger
Is there any chance Beattie could make inroads there??Not really
Anything is better then the DUP to be fair.
Who will the dup put up? Lockhart?Yeah and she will wind. An improvement on Simpson in that she is less likely to pester your wife. Probably not an improvement in any wider sense.
Who will the dup put up? Lockhart?probably
Any chance kinahan will unseat girvan in south AntrimNo. Girvan big man on the ground in this area and will have little or no problem
Any chance kinahan will unseat girvan in south AntrimNo. Girvan big man on the ground in this area and will have little or no problem
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
If said it on here in the past. Corbyn wiped the floor with the conservatives in 17. I'm beginning to think the conservatives have learnt nothing. Is "get brexit done" the new "strong and stable"?
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
If said it on here in the past. Corbyn wiped the floor with the conservatives in 17. I'm beginning to think the conservatives have learnt nothing. Is "get brexit done" the new "strong and stable"?
With all the half moderate / sensible Conservatives like Nicky Morgan, Amber Rudd, Rory Stewart, Ken Clarke, even Phillip Hammond etc now gone, the ultra lunatics are in charge and they are finding that exposure to the full public glare is a different kettle of fish from shouting from the back benches. These guys are being shown up for what they are and they are floundering. Hopefully they will get the kicking they deserve from the electorate. Unfortunately, I doubt that they will.
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
You haven't been paying enough attention or you're reading the wrong "newspapers" if you think that's the case.
The campaign is only started and they haven't even released their manifesto or chosen their candidates yet.
They haven't done a whole lot so far but they haven't had to with the Conservatives shooting themselves in the foot so much!
His interview or the Tory edit of it?
The campaign is only started and they haven't even released their manifesto or chosen their candidates yet.
They haven't done a whole lot so far but they haven't had to with the Conservatives shooting themselves in the foot so much!
There's two of them at it.
Nightmare interviews yesterday and today for Keir Starmer and Laura Pidcock.
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
You haven't been paying enough attention or you're reading the wrong "newspapers" if you think that's the case.
The campaign is only started and they haven't even released their manifesto or chosen their candidates yet.
They haven't done a whole lot so far but they haven't had to with the Conservatives shooting themselves in the foot so much!
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
You haven't been paying enough attention or you're reading the wrong "newspapers" if you think that's the case.
The campaign is only started and they haven't even released their manifesto or chosen their candidates yet.
They haven't done a whole lot so far but they haven't had to with the Conservatives shooting themselves in the foot so much!
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
Labour have flown out of the traps again. Corbyn is at his most comfortable campaigning around the country meeting with ordinary people on bread and butter issues and we are seeing that again. The Tories have had a disastrous start because they live sheltered lives and simply aren’t in touch with what is happening outside their own bubble.
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
If said it on here in the past. Corbyn wiped the floor with the conservatives in 17. I'm beginning to think the conservatives have learnt nothing. Is "get brexit done" the new "strong and stable"?
Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
If said it on here in the past. Corbyn wiped the floor with the conservatives in 17. I'm beginning to think the conservatives have learnt nothing. Is "get brexit done" the new "strong and stable"?
Don't forget "Britain deserves better"!!!!!! ;D
His interview or the Tory edit of it?
The campaign is only started and they haven't even released their manifesto or chosen their candidates yet.
They haven't done a whole lot so far but they haven't had to with the Conservatives shooting themselves in the foot so much!
There's two of them at it.
Nightmare interviews yesterday and today for Keir Starmer and Laura Pidcock.
Diane Dodds lives in the constituency and will be out of a job soon, so another possibility.Doddsy might be in Strasbourg for a good while yet
It would have been interesting if Shagger had have run to see if Doug Beattie would have made any inroads into his vote. O’Dowd would have been well placed if the unionist vote was evenly split, Do£ores Ke££y standing will lessen the chances of this happening.
Jeffrey Donaldson and Colum Eastwood had a fairly heated exchange earlier on Talkback over a letter that Jeffrey wrote into today's Newsletter asking whether Sean Kelly would be campaigning for Claire Hanna in South Belfast. Eastwood spoke very well and got Donaldson completely flustered and I think that by the end of the interview that he may have realised that the letter may have backfired on him. Looked like a complete stunt from Jeffrey to try and make it about the IRA again and deflect from any Brexit related issues.
The fact is that the DUP have embraced loyalist paramilitaries more than ever before and have done nothing to try and distance themselves from platform sharing and having meetings with the UDA and UVF. I think its borne out of fear and paranoia in realising that the union is under threat but in doing so they just become even more inward looking and continue to isolate themselves. They just continue to dig themselves ever deeper into their bunkers and I think they might soon have to change their party name to 'ourselves alone'.
The UDA/UVF probably have a reasonable say in who "working class" loyalists vote for in certain areas at least. If they don't appease them then they will lose voters.
That being said the last time they paired up was round the time of their "graduated response" around parades which still hasn't happened.
Jeffrey Donaldson and Colum Eastwood had a fairly heated exchange earlier on Talkback over a letter that Jeffrey wrote into today's Newsletter asking whether Sean Kelly would be campaigning for Claire Hanna in South Belfast. Eastwood spoke very well and got Donaldson completely flustered and I think that by the end of the interview that he may have realised that the letter may have backfired on him. Looked like a complete stunt from Jeffrey to try and make it about the IRA again and deflect from any Brexit related issues.
The fact is that the DUP have embraced loyalist paramilitaries more than ever before and have done nothing to try and distance themselves from platform sharing and having meetings with the UDA and UVF. I think its borne out of fear and paranoia in realising that the union is under threat but in doing so they just become even more inward looking and continue to isolate themselves. They just continue to dig themselves ever deeper into their bunkers and I think they might soon have to change their party name to 'ourselves alone'.
Lady Sylvia not standing!!! f**k that!!
Yeah much better than the past 10 years of Tory cuts.Has a political campaign ever shot itself in the foot as badly as the Conservatives have the last few days??
Labour haven't even done anything the Tories are just losing the plot!
If said it on here in the past. Corbyn wiped the floor with the conservatives in 17. I'm beginning to think the conservatives have learnt nothing. Is "get brexit done" the new "strong and stable"?
Don't forget "Britain deserves better"!!!!!! ;D
Lady Sylvia not standing!!! f**k that!!UDA must have told her not too.... any chance of Alliance getting a sniff in her seat if they got support of other remain parties?
That's a seat now likely going to a pro Brexit DUP voter so will negate any loss that DUP will suffer in South Belfast or elsewhere.UUP didn’t stand against her so they may have a chance if they have any decent candidates. How did they do in the other elections there?
General election 2017: North Down Party Candidate Votes
Independent..........Sylvia Hermon..........16,148
DUP.........................Alex Easton..............14,940
Alliance...................Andrew Muir.............. 3,639
Green (NI)..............Steven Agnew.............2,549
NI Conservatives....Frank Shivers............. 941
Sinn Féin.................Thérèse McCartney........531
SDLP........................Caoímhe McNeill.............400
Independent...........Gavan Reynolds.................3
Looks nailed on for a DUP candidate now.
Alliance did very well in the most recent council elections in North Down and Ards so they would have a decent chance.
That's a seat now likely going to a pro Brexit DUP voter so will negate any loss that DUP will suffer in South Belfast or elsewhere.The DUP made an arse of Brexit. £60 customs charges
General election 2017: North Down Party Candidate Votes
Independent..........Sylvia Hermon..........16,148
DUP.........................Alex Easton..............14,940
Alliance...................Andrew Muir.............. 3,639
Green (NI)..............Steven Agnew.............2,549
NI Conservatives....Frank Shivers............. 941
Sinn Féin.................Thérèse McCartney........531
SDLP........................Caoímhe McNeill.............400
Independent...........Gavan Reynolds.................3
Looks nailed on for a DUP candidate now.
The UDA/UVF probably have a reasonable say in who "working class" loyalists vote for in certain areas at least. If they don't appease them then they will lose voters.
That being said the last time they paired up was round the time of their "graduated response" around parades which still hasn't happened.
They will team up with the UDA/UVF if it is expedient for them to do so. That's fine but they can't then claim some high principled moral stance over paramilitarism links which is what they are doing in the case of Sean Kelly and SDLP. It is fairly clear already that Finucane will be the subject of a continual smear campaign in North Belfast which is just indicative of how much pressure that Dodds is under to hold that seat. I think Finucane is too clever to get involved in the mud slinging of personal attacks and needs to keep it about Brexit and Dodds record over the last 2-3 years as an arch Brexiteer/ERG apologist.
General election 2017: North Down Party Candidate Votes
Independent..........Sylvia Hermon..........16,148
DUP.........................Alex Easton..............14,940
Alliance...................Andrew Muir.............. 3,639
Green (NI)..............Steven Agnew.............2,549
NI Conservatives....Frank Shivers............. 941
Sinn Féin.................Thérèse McCartney........531
SDLP........................Caoímhe McNeill.............400
Independent...........Gavan Reynolds.................3
Looks nailed on for a DUP candidate now.
Alliance did very well in the most recent council elections in North Down and Ards so they would have a decent chance.
Sf I don’t think you understand the no electorate. Economics not that big a concern.
Sf I don’t think you understand the no electorate. Economics not that big a concern.
Exactly. What might seem irrational to normal voters does not apply to DUP Brexit voters who want to play the Uber Brit. The only way I can see the DUP challenged in this constituency is if the UUP put in a strong high profile pro remain candidate and even then it would be difficult to see how they could out poll Sylvia Hermon or get close to her level of popular support.
On radio today, they mentioned Arlene standing in Upper Bann - was a solicitor there in bygone days!!
Sf I don’t think you understand the no electorate. Economics not that big a concern.At some point the UUP and Alliance will start taking Westminster seats off the DUP. The DUP
Maitlis annihilating Brokenshire on Newsnight... great to see!!!
Sf I don’t think you understand the no electorate. Economics not that big a concern.At some point the UUP and Alliance will start taking Westminster seats off the DUP. The DUP
would need to be weakened for this to happen. We’ll see what the voters think of the DUP’s Brexit efforts shortly.
Sf I don’t think you understand the no electorate. Economics not that big a concern.At some point the UUP and Alliance will start taking Westminster seats off the DUP. The DUP
would need to be weakened for this to happen. We’ll see what the voters think of the DUP’s Brexit efforts shortly.
Their Brexit efforts have obviously been a bismal, they are continually looking to be like the Torys and they are too blinded to see the british government don't really give a shit about them bar when they are trying to buy their seats. Arlene and co. are money banditsSf I don’t think you understand the no electorate. Economics not that big a concern.At some point the UUP and Alliance will start taking Westminster seats off the DUP. The DUP
would need to be weakened for this to happen. We’ll see what the voters think of the DUP’s Brexit efforts shortly.
The uup will do nothing.
Sf I don’t think you understand the no electorate. Economics not that big a concern.At some point the UUP and Alliance will start taking Westminster seats off the DUP. The DUP
would need to be weakened for this to happen. We’ll see what the voters think of the DUP’s Brexit efforts shortly.
The uup will do nothing.
Re North Down, if Greens and UUP step aside and Alliance put up Stephen Farray he could give DUP a good run for their money, otherwise it’s great news for Paul Girvan because once Alex Easton gets elected he’ll then take the title of the dimmest MP in Westminster
Re Upper Bann:I’d be shocked if Carla Lockhart does win the DUP nomination. She’s hard working and popular in the area. I assume UUP will run Doug Beattie
Re Upper Bann:I’d be shocked if Carla Lockhart does win the DUP nomination. She’s hard working and popular in the area. I assume UUP will run Doug Beattie
Re North Down, if Greens and UUP step aside and Alliance put up Stephen Farray he could give DUP a good run for their money, otherwise it’s great news for Paul Girvan because once Alex Easton gets elected he’ll then take the title of the dimmest MP in Westminster
Dimmest DUP MP, nowadays some of the Conservatives would give them a run for their money on that front.
Sounds like Mike TV and Stephen Farry. . . they'd be better off doing a Remain Alliance there in North Down because if Alliance and UUP both stand the DUP walk it.
Paisley Jnr could be a very interesting one are they bucking him out??
Very damaging last few hours for Corbyn with Watson resigning and Austin absolutely destroying Corbyn on Radio 4 this morning. It's going to be a long battle ahead with peaks and troughs for both Conservatives and Labour. Hopefully with the economic plans announced today they can start bringing a bit of positivity to their campaigns rather than shooting themselves in the foot!!
Sounds like Mike TV and Stephen Farry. . . they'd be better off doing a Remain Alliance there in North Down because if Alliance and UUP both stand the DUP walk it.
Paisley Jnr could be a very interesting one are they bucking him out??
Very damaging last few hours for Corbyn with Watson resigning and Austin absolutely destroying Corbyn on Radio 4 this morning. It's going to be a long battle ahead with peaks and troughs for both Conservatives and Labour. Hopefully with the economic plans announced today they can start bringing a bit of positivity to their campaigns rather than shooting themselves in the foot!!
Irish Times
"Dodds joined a panel of unionist and loyalist representatives to condemn a deal the DUP is directly responsible for causing."
Apparently Kate Hoey is thinking of standing as a single Unionist candidate in Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Ugh
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/)
When do the candidates be finalised? Assuming posters will have to be printed up soon.
Apparently Kate Hoey is thinking of standing as a single Unionist candidate in Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Ugh
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/)
Apparently Kate Hoey is thinking of standing as a single Unionist candidate in Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Ugh
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/)
Good. Bring her on. Looking forward to meeting her at my door.
He's just after saying he hopes Martin O'Neill stays as manager of NIApparently Kate Hoey is thinking of standing as a single Unionist candidate in Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Ugh
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/)
Good. Bring her on. Looking forward to meeting her at my door.
I wouldn't pay much heed to the Lord John Taylor, he posts a lot of paranoid rubbish on Twitter, littered with racism and poor spelling. I'd say the only place Hoey would be effective in FST is in a farmer's field to keep the crows away.
Apparently Kate Hoey is thinking of standing as a single Unionist candidate in Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Ugh
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/)
Good. Bring her on. Looking forward to meeting her at my door.
He's just after saying he hopes Martin O'Neill stays as manager of NIApparently Kate Hoey is thinking of standing as a single Unionist candidate in Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Ugh
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/18018969.retiring-labour-mp-contest-fermanagh-south-tyrone-seat/)
Good. Bring her on. Looking forward to meeting her at my door.
I wouldn't pay much heed to the Lord John Taylor, he posts a lot of paranoid rubbish on Twitter, littered with racism and poor spelling. I'd say the only place Hoey would be effective in FST is in a farmer's field to keep the crows away.
But that is absurdIrish Times
"Dodds joined a panel of unionist and loyalist representatives to condemn a deal the DUP is directly responsible for causing."
DUP know how to run with fox and hunt will the hounds..
Taylor's trolling is legendary. I'm amazed people are still falling for his yarns.
But that is absurdIrish Times
"Dodds joined a panel of unionist and loyalist representatives to condemn a deal the DUP is directly responsible for causing."
DUP know how to run with fox and hunt will the hounds..
Taylor's trolling is legendary. I'm amazed people are still falling for his yarns.
Taylor's trolling is legendary. I'm amazed people are still falling for his yarns.
There's a fine line between being a troll, and being a c*nt.
Sounds like Mike TV and Stephen Farry. . . they'd be better off doing a Remain Alliance there in North Down because if Alliance and UUP both stand the DUP walk it.
Paisley Jnr could be a very interesting one are they bucking him out??
Very damaging last few hours for Corbyn with Watson resigning and Austin absolutely destroying Corbyn on Radio 4 this morning. It's going to be a long battle ahead with peaks and troughs for both Conservatives and Labour. Hopefully with the economic plans announced today they can start bringing a bit of positivity to their campaigns rather than shooting themselves in the foot!!
Where or what have you have heard about Paisley being bucked out??
Hoey is a horrendous individual.
Sounds like Mike TV and Stephen Farry. . . they'd be better off doing a Remain Alliance there in North Down because if Alliance and UUP both stand the DUP walk it.
Paisley Jnr could be a very interesting one are they bucking him out??
Very damaging last few hours for Corbyn with Watson resigning and Austin absolutely destroying Corbyn on Radio 4 this morning. It's going to be a long battle ahead with peaks and troughs for both Conservatives and Labour. Hopefully with the economic plans announced today they can start bringing a bit of positivity to their campaigns rather than shooting themselves in the foot!!
Where or what have you have heard about Paisley being bucked out??
Hoey is a horrendous individual.
https://twitter.com/dup_online/status/1192360578595131392?s=12
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.If Labour had someone centre left running the party the GE would be a penalty kick.
I enjoy Naomi, Carruthers trying to tie her up but not succeeding.
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.
That's because Corbyn and his goons are about as useful as a fart in spacesuit.
Screaming "tax the rich!" or "nationalise everything!" endlessly with zero substance behind it only gets you so far.
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.
That's because Corbyn and his goons are about as useful as a fart in spacesuit.
Screaming "tax the rich!" or "nationalise everything!" endlessly with zero substance behind it only gets you so far.
Robert Shrimsley in the FT
"Beyond Brexit, Labour has a coherent narrative. The last three years have been no advert for Tory efficiency and the last nine have not left most people feeling better off. Labour has a raft of policies with appeal to core groups. It has baubles for young and old, tenants and workers. It will not be outbid on public services. And while Mr Johnson’s spending promises play well, voters’ current experiences are of austerity and cuts. Labour can, for example, note that Mr Johnson’s promised 20,000 extra police will only restore numbers to their 2010 level. Its message of a rigged society plays strongly, not least with many of those who voted Leave. This taps into a key point. Many of those who backed Brexit did so not out of a Faragist obsession with the EU, but out of a sense that the country had stopped working for them. "
In 2016, when SF held a commemoration in Westminster for the 100th Anniversary of 1916, up steps Corbyn to read the Proclamation. Total respect 😊
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.
That's because Corbyn and his goons are about as useful as a fart in spacesuit.
Screaming "tax the rich!" or "nationalise everything!" endlessly with zero substance behind it only gets you so far.
Could be a tough response on the doors for SF with Nurses now due to go on strike in NI. MON was the last health minister before SF collapsed Stormont and obviously didn't increase pay levels when they had the chance. Their "solidarity with Nurses" line rings a bit hollow.
The problem is that Corbyn's gang don't actually have any solutions to anything. They can just criticise. I think we can all agree "Protect the NHS" is a great idea. The most important question is "how?". You only have to look at examples of Abbott and Corbyn himself bumbling around the place unable to work their calculators to demonstrate how much spoofing they actually do.They are going to invest in the UK and get growth going again.
Defeats the UK government have suffered have been down to the bungling incompetence of the Tories and the fact the UK has absolutely no idea what it wants out of Brexit, not because of some political mastery from Corbyn. Look at the way he and Labour have flip flopped all over the place with regards to the election as an example. Look at his absolute inability to stop the party fracturing. "Hey lads, let's all agree to zero tolerance on racism and sectarianism" shouldn't be a difficult concept for a Labour leader to pull together.
And don't ever forget that he's a Brexiteer himself.
The UK is absolutely fucked. If it's a choice between Johnson or Corbyn, the best option would be to pack the bags and move abroad.
They're not solutions. They're aspirations.There is enough money in the UK to kickstart growth.
I presume 8 DUPUDA shoe ins, hopefully they lose both North and South Belfast but will possibly gain North Down.
Presumably 5 SF shoe ins plus hopefully North Belfast and Fermanagh/Tyrone.
SDLP hopefully South Belfast and possibly "Foyle".
Have Alliance or the cowardly UUP any chance of a seat?
They're not solutions. They're aspirations.There is enough money in the UK to kickstart growth.
BBC viewers seem to have a very negative view of Corbyn for some reason.
The likes of that boy who quit the other day should have been long gone. Tom Watson was it?
The likes of that boy who quit the other day should have been long gone. Tom Watson was it?
Watson was his own man and had differing opinions to Corbyn but I don't think he was ever controversial in a disgusting manner like Mogg and the likes.
I presume 8 DUPUDA shoe ins, hopefully they lose both North and South Belfast but will possibly gain North Down.
Presumably 5 SF shoe ins plus hopefully North Belfast and Fermanagh/Tyrone.
SDLP hopefully South Belfast and possibly "Foyle".
Have Alliance or the cowardly UUP any chance of a seat?
Alliance best hope is in the east. I think they have a chance. I don't think the UUP have any chance at all.
Jury is our on whether north down will move to alliance. I don't think so though.
The likes of that boy who quit the other day should have been long gone. Tom Watson was it?
Watson was his own man and had differing opinions to Corbyn but I don't think he was ever controversial in a disgusting manner like Mogg and the likes.
Are you mad? His promotion of the fantasist paedophile Carl Beech and his disgusting lies about innocent people was outright criminal. If there's any justice, he'll do porridge for it.
They're not solutions. They're aspirations.There is enough money in the UK to kickstart growth.
BBC viewers seem to have a very negative view of Corbyn for some reason.
They're not solutions. They're aspirations.There is enough money in the UK to kickstart growth.
BBC viewers seem to have a very negative view of Corbyn for some reason.
Yeah, everyone should get their news from Pravda instead.
They're not solutions. They're aspirations.There is enough money in the UK to kickstart growth.
BBC viewers seem to have a very negative view of Corbyn for some reason.
Yeah, everyone should get their news from Pravda instead.
As opposed to Daily Mail, Express and Sun?
The problem is that Corbyn's gang don't actually have any solutions to anything. They can just criticise. I think we can all agree "Protect the NHS" is a great idea. The most important question is "how?". You only have to look at examples of Abbott and Corbyn himself bumbling around the place unable to work their calculators to demonstrate how much spoofing they actually do.
Defeats the UK government have suffered have been down to the bungling incompetence of the Tories and the fact the UK has absolutely no idea what it wants out of Brexit, not because of some political mastery from Corbyn. Look at the way he and Labour have flip flopped all over the place with regards to the election as an example. Look at his absolute inability to stop the party fracturing. "Hey lads, let's all agree to zero tolerance on racism and sectarianism" shouldn't be a difficult concept for a Labour leader to pull together.
And don't ever forget that he's a Brexiteer himself.
The UK is absolutely fucked. If it's a choice between Johnson or Corbyn, the best option would be to pack the bags and move abroad.
The problem is that Corbyn's gang don't actually have any solutions to anything. They can just criticise. I think we can all agree "Protect the NHS" is a great idea. The most important question is "how?". You only have to look at examples of Abbott and Corbyn himself bumbling around the place unable to work their calculators to demonstrate how much spoofing they actually do.
Defeats the UK government have suffered have been down to the bungling incompetence of the Tories and the fact the UK has absolutely no idea what it wants out of Brexit, not because of some political mastery from Corbyn. Look at the way he and Labour have flip flopped all over the place with regards to the election as an example. Look at his absolute inability to stop the party fracturing. "Hey lads, let's all agree to zero tolerance on racism and sectarianism" shouldn't be a difficult concept for a Labour leader to pull together.
And don't ever forget that he's a Brexiteer himself.
The UK is absolutely fucked. If it's a choice between Johnson or Corbyn, the best option would be to pack the bags and move abroad.
The problem is that Corbyn's gang don't actually have any solutions to anything. They can just criticise. I think we can all agree "Protect the NHS" is a great idea. The most important question is "how?". You only have to look at examples of Abbott and Corbyn himself bumbling around the place unable to work their calculators to demonstrate how much spoofing they actually do.
Defeats the UK government have suffered have been down to the bungling incompetence of the Tories and the fact the UK has absolutely no idea what it wants out of Brexit, not because of some political mastery from Corbyn. Look at the way he and Labour have flip flopped all over the place with regards to the election as an example. Look at his absolute inability to stop the party fracturing. "Hey lads, let's all agree to zero tolerance on racism and sectarianism" shouldn't be a difficult concept for a Labour leader to pull together.
And don't ever forget that he's a Brexiteer himself.
The UK is absolutely fucked. If it's a choice between Johnson or Corbyn, the best option would be to pack the bags and move abroad.
Unfortunately, back in the real world, that's not really an option for most. It is indeed a choice between Johnson or Corbyn. So it's Corbyn every day of the week.
I've been critical of him recently, mostly due to his (lack of) stance on Brexit. But Labour now have a clear policy on this which I feel could be supported, which is about time.
Regarding his unfitness for office due his fiscal competency, I'm not sure if you've been reading too much of the Sun or whatever but I think it's wildly overblown. Mentioning Abbott means I suspect that you've succumbed to the Tory propaganda massage that emanated from her failure to perform correct mental arithmetic on live TV. Saying that they don't have solutions for anything is frankly, a bit lazy.
Corbyn is incompetent and un-electable. Pandering to the unions and marxist left isn't what we need in a government.Capital v Labour works like that
The problem is that Corbyn's gang don't actually have any solutions to anything. They can just criticise. I think we can all agree "Protect the NHS" is a great idea. The most important question is "how?". You only have to look at examples of Abbott and Corbyn himself bumbling around the place unable to work their calculators to demonstrate how much spoofing they actually do.
Defeats the UK government have suffered have been down to the bungling incompetence of the Tories and the fact the UK has absolutely no idea what it wants out of Brexit, not because of some political mastery from Corbyn. Look at the way he and Labour have flip flopped all over the place with regards to the election as an example. Look at his absolute inability to stop the party fracturing. "Hey lads, let's all agree to zero tolerance on racism and sectarianism" shouldn't be a difficult concept for a Labour leader to pull together.
And don't ever forget that he's a Brexiteer himself.
The UK is absolutely fucked. If it's a choice between Johnson or Corbyn, the best option would be to pack the bags and move abroad.
Unfortunately, back in the real world, that's not really an option for most. It is indeed a choice between Johnson or Corbyn. So it's Corbyn every day of the week.
I've been critical of him recently, mostly due to his (lack of) stance on Brexit. But Labour now have a clear policy on this which I feel could be supported, which is about time.
Regarding his unfitness for office due his fiscal competency, I'm not sure if you've been reading too much of the Sun or whatever but I think it's wildly overblown. Mentioning Abbott means I suspect that you've succumbed to the Tory propaganda massage that emanated from her failure to perform correct mental arithmetic on live TV. Saying that they don't have solutions for anything is frankly, a bit lazy.
I haven't succumbed to Tory propaganda whatsoever, you don't have to. Herself and Corbyn have repeatedly exposed an inability to either be financially competent, or articulate said financial competency. Both, unfortunately, are necessary.
As for Labour having a clear stance on Brexit, do they really? Or is it simply electioneering?
The problem is that Corbyn's gang don't actually have any solutions to anything. They can just criticise. I think we can all agree "Protect the NHS" is a great idea. The most important question is "how?". You only have to look at examples of Abbott and Corbyn himself bumbling around the place unable to work their calculators to demonstrate how much spoofing they actually do.
Defeats the UK government have suffered have been down to the bungling incompetence of the Tories and the fact the UK has absolutely no idea what it wants out of Brexit, not because of some political mastery from Corbyn. Look at the way he and Labour have flip flopped all over the place with regards to the election as an example. Look at his absolute inability to stop the party fracturing. "Hey lads, let's all agree to zero tolerance on racism and sectarianism" shouldn't be a difficult concept for a Labour leader to pull together.
And don't ever forget that he's a Brexiteer himself.
The UK is absolutely fucked. If it's a choice between Johnson or Corbyn, the best option would be to pack the bags and move abroad.
Unfortunately, back in the real world, that's not really an option for most. It is indeed a choice between Johnson or Corbyn. So it's Corbyn every day of the week.
I've been critical of him recently, mostly due to his (lack of) stance on Brexit. But Labour now have a clear policy on this which I feel could be supported, which is about time.
Regarding his unfitness for office due his fiscal competency, I'm not sure if you've been reading too much of the Sun or whatever but I think it's wildly overblown. Mentioning Abbott means I suspect that you've succumbed to the Tory propaganda massage that emanated from her failure to perform correct mental arithmetic on live TV. Saying that they don't have solutions for anything is frankly, a bit lazy.
I haven't succumbed to Tory propaganda whatsoever, you don't have to. Herself and Corbyn have repeatedly exposed an inability to either be financially competent, or articulate said financial competency. Both, unfortunately, are necessary.
As for Labour having a clear stance on Brexit, do they really? Or is it simply electioneering?
No doubt you’ll be fit to throw up a few examples of these repeated instances?
And yes. It’s clear and simple and has a lot more of a practical ring to it than ‘Get Brexit Done’. If you want to dismiss it as electioneering that’s your prerogative. I just don’t see any basis for doing so. Maybe you’d point out for us what it is that you’re basing that on?
PS. Just to be clear. I don’t see Corbyn as some sort of saviour. There are MANY things that I’d disagree with him on. But it’s a two horse race and he’s an order of magnitude better than the alternative on pretty much every pertinent issue.
The question to ask yourself is regardless of views on Brexit, would life be better in a Boris led Tory government or a Corbyn led Labour government.
Ye poor Nordies have no say in who the next "UK" (In reality English) Government will be :-\.
Ye poor Nordies have no say in who the next "UK" (In reality English) Government will be :-\.
Says a poster ruled over by a bunch of corrupt gombeen men.
Ye poor Nordies have no say in who the next "UK" (In reality English) Government will be :-\.
That's a matter of opinion but we can and did vote for them.
I wont mention RHI, smugglers, intimidation blah blah.
Will the famous campaigner and man of the people Boris be meeting any actual voters during this campaign?
Will the famous campaigner and man of the people Boris be meeting any actual voters during this campaign?
The befuddled mess he presented in Tandragee was the closest he came to an actual voter and the Tories aren’t exactly competing for seats in NI.
I hear there was a tiny turnout for the official campaign launch so the had to huddle the attendees in one corner and reposition the cameras to make it look like a full house.
I’d say in the TV debates the other party leaders will push him on specifics. He seems all over the place on things like detail, facts and truth. The fact checkers will be on standby and the other leaders just have to herd him in that general direction
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.
That's because Corbyn and his goons are about as useful as a fart in spacesuit.
Screaming "tax the rich!" or "nationalise everything!" endlessly with zero substance behind it only gets you so far.
I presume 8 DUPUDA shoe ins, hopefully they lose both North and South Belfast but will possibly gain North Down.Alliance have no shoe ins. They do have 2 chances in East Belfast and North Down. The dynamics in those 2 are very different.
Presumably 5 SF shoe ins plus hopefully North Belfast and Fermanagh/Tyrone.
SDLP hopefully South Belfast and possibly "Foyle".
Have Alliance or the cowardly UUP any chance of a seat?
Alliance Party
Naomi Long
Conservative
Amandeep Bhogal
Democratic Unionist Party
Diane Dodds
Green Party
Clare Bailey
Sinn Féin
Martina Anderson
Social Democratic & Labour Party
Colum Eastwood
Traditional Unionist Voice
Jim Allister
Ulster Unionist Party
Danny Kennedy
UKIP
Robert Hill
Independent
Neil McCann
Jane Morrice
Right guys got the above list from bbc website...is that the lot? I'm not into my politics at all...TBh i hate the lot of them and when i see them on the news i turn it over. I haven't voted for a while for the reason just stated as I believe they're all useless.
Having said all that I believe this election is just too important to ignore this time and i'm not faced with the problem of who do i vote for? Obviously from a Nationalist background I can rule out DUP and UUP but who else is worthy of my vote and if the truth be told is it even worth my while? I used to vote Sinn Fein all the time in my younger days but now I'm not to impressed, SDLP what is the craic with them? Alliance is being considered but is there any point in voting for a party that won't get elected? So then does it all boil down to SF? everytime i see them on TV with DUP it turns into a shouting match and then the remote control gets a new channel to change to.
I'm not taking the pi55 here folks...genuinely haven't a clue about politics
Alliance Party
Naomi Long
Conservative
Amandeep Bhogal
Democratic Unionist Party
Diane Dodds
Green Party
Clare Bailey
Sinn Féin
Martina Anderson
Social Democratic & Labour Party
Colum Eastwood
Traditional Unionist Voice
Jim Allister
Ulster Unionist Party
Danny Kennedy
UKIP
Robert Hill
Independent
Neil McCann
Jane Morrice
Right guys got the above list from bbc website...is that the lot? I'm not into my politics at all...TBh i hate the lot of them and when i see them on the news i turn it over. I haven't voted for a while for the reason just stated as I believe they're all useless.
Having said all that I believe this election is just too important to ignore this time and i'm not faced with the problem of who do i vote for? Obviously from a Nationalist background I can rule out DUP and UUP but who else is worthy of my vote and if the truth be told is it even worth my while? I used to vote Sinn Fein all the time in my younger days but now I'm not to impressed, SDLP what is the craic with them? Alliance is being considered but is there any point in voting for a party that won't get elected? So then does it all boil down to SF? everytime i see them on TV with DUP it turns into a shouting match and then the remote control gets a new channel to change to.
I'm not taking the pi55 here folks...genuinely haven't a clue about politics
What is that list adout?
It's not a list of candidates in any one constituency. It's not even a list of party leaders.
alliance will win no seats. the dupers have a lock on east Belfast and robinson will hold easily. in north down the dupers were almost on terms with her ladyship and they will easily swap aside alliance.I working on the presumption that you are trolling for a response. You are probably not the deranged loon that this post portrays you to be.
only a pure mug would want labour to win in the mainland, the party, once the dominant force in Scotland, may be lucky to win one seat up there. unless you are blind, deaf or dumb, the only tactic and policy for this election that labour has, is to lock in all the muslins via postal votes, and just like in the recent bye election in peterboro, hope to steal tight marginals with these locks. labour is now the party of islam.
It’s the list of candidates for a different parliament (European) on a different system on a different day that happens to have already past
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50361025 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50361025)
Will this not impede all the borrowing pledges.
Alliance Party
Naomi Long
Conservative
Amandeep Bhogal
Democratic Unionist Party
Diane Dodds
Green Party
Clare Bailey
Sinn Féin
Martina Anderson
Social Democratic & Labour Party
Colum Eastwood
Traditional Unionist Voice
Jim Allister
Ulster Unionist Party
Danny Kennedy
UKIP
Robert Hill
Independent
Neil McCann
Jane Morrice
Right guys got the above list from bbc website...is that the lot? I'm not into my politics at all...TBh i hate the lot of them and when i see them on the news i turn it over. I haven't voted for a while for the reason just stated as I believe they're all useless.
Having said all that I believe this election is just too important to ignore this time and i'm not faced with the problem of who do i vote for? Obviously from a Nationalist background I can rule out DUP and UUP but who else is worthy of my vote and if the truth be told is it even worth my while? I used to vote Sinn Fein all the time in my younger days but now I'm not to impressed, SDLP what is the craic with them? Alliance is being considered but is there any point in voting for a party that won't get elected? So then does it all boil down to SF? everytime i see them on TV with DUP it turns into a shouting match and then the remote control gets a new channel to change to.
I'm not taking the pi55 here folks...genuinely haven't a clue about politics
alliance will win no seats. the dupers have a lock on east Belfast and robinson will hold easily. in north down the dupers were almost on terms with her ladyship and they will easily swap aside alliance.
only a pure mug would want labour to win in the mainland, the party, once the dominant force in Scotland, may be lucky to win one seat up there. unless you are blind, deaf or dumb, the only tactic and policy for this election that labour has, is to lock in all the muslins via postal votes, and just like in the recent bye election in peterboro, hope to steal tight marginals with these locks. labour is now the party of islam.
I hope you’re right but I think you are wrong.
Only twice have alliance got east Belfast. This election is different. The union depends on it. (Or alternatively the pricks who are supposed to be trying to preserve “the union” are advancing the cause of a United ireland by about a generation are stoking up tensions and claiming it’s crucial to vote for them or the union will be in trouble).
The nightmare scenario is if the DUP were to make a gain in ND, and even with losing SB, return with 10 ... that would be sickening. If ever a party deserved to take an electoral kicking, it’s that shower.
Alliance Party
Naomi Long
Conservative
Amandeep Bhogal
Democratic Unionist Party
Diane Dodds
Green Party
Clare Bailey
Sinn Féin
Martina Anderson
Social Democratic & Labour Party
Colum Eastwood
Traditional Unionist Voice
Jim Allister
Ulster Unionist Party
Danny Kennedy
UKIP
Robert Hill
Independent
Neil McCann
Jane Morrice
Right guys got the above list from bbc website...is that the lot? I'm not into my politics at all...TBh i hate the lot of them and when i see them on the news i turn it over. I haven't voted for a while for the reason just stated as I believe they're all useless.
Having said all that I believe this election is just too important to ignore this time and i'm not faced with the problem of who do i vote for? Obviously from a Nationalist background I can rule out DUP and UUP but who else is worthy of my vote and if the truth be told is it even worth my while? I used to vote Sinn Fein all the time in my younger days but now I'm not to impressed, SDLP what is the craic with them? Alliance is being considered but is there any point in voting for a party that won't get elected? So then does it all boil down to SF? everytime i see them on TV with DUP it turns into a shouting match and then the remote control gets a new channel to change to.
I'm not taking the pi55 here folks...genuinely haven't a clue about politics
The nightmare scenario is if the DUP were to make a gain in ND, and even with losing SB, return with 10 ... that would be sickening. If ever a party deserved to take an electoral kicking, it’s that shower.
Look on the bright side. Every DUPed Brexit MP returned is another nail in the coffin of the Union.
The nightmare scenario is if the DUP were to make a gain in ND, and even with losing SB, return with 10 ... that would be sickening. If ever a party deserved to take an electoral kicking, it’s that shower.Back in May Diane Dodds campaigned on a platform of DUP for Brexit and a stronger Union.
Sf I still don’t think you understand the voting demographic in ni. In at least five or six constituencies the dup can do whatever they want. They can do anything. They aren’t Sinn Fein. That is all it takes.
Well like i said yesterday, I know nothing about politics only that the DUP are bigoted and corrupt as they come, I always used to vote SF but haven't voted the last few elections but this one def is as important as they'll ever be. I know it's my decision who i vote for but it just seems like i'm voting just for the sake of it and that no party deserves it, just cycling home this morning and seen election posters up around Craigavon from Alliance and i swear some young fella's face is on the poster and he looks about 17 ffs. Assuming he's older than that what the hell is that young fella going to know about it... ::)
Well like i said yesterday, I know nothing about politics only that the DUP are bigoted and corrupt as they come, I always used to vote SF but haven't voted the last few elections but this one def is as important as they'll ever be. I know it's my decision who i vote for but it just seems like i'm voting just for the sake of it and that no party deserves it, just cycling home this morning and seen election posters up around Craigavon from Alliance and i swear some young fella's face is on the poster and he looks about 17 ffs. Assuming he's older than that what the hell is that young fella going to know about it... ::)
As long as he's inoffensive, that's fine. Good old Alliance....let's not upset anybody & we will take a hit for team NI, when our arses get too sore, from sitting on the fence. No pacts here!
Well like i said yesterday, I know nothing about politics only that the DUP are bigoted and corrupt as they come, I always used to vote SF but haven't voted the last few elections but this one def is as important as they'll ever be. I know it's my decision who i vote for but it just seems like i'm voting just for the sake of it and that no party deserves it, just cycling home this morning and seen election posters up around Craigavon from Alliance and i swear some young fella's face is on the poster and he looks about 17 ffs. Assuming he's older than that what the hell is that young fella going to know about it... ::)
Well like i said yesterday, I know nothing about politics only that the DUP are bigoted and corrupt as they come, I always used to vote SF but haven't voted the last few elections but this one def is as important as they'll ever be. I know it's my decision who i vote for but it just seems like i'm voting just for the sake of it and that no party deserves it, just cycling home this morning and seen election posters up around Craigavon from Alliance and i swear some young fella's face is on the poster and he looks about 17 ffs. Assuming he's older than that what the hell is that young fella going to know about it... ::)
As long as he's inoffensive, that's fine. Good old Alliance....let's not upset anybody & we will take a hit for team NI, when our arses get too sore, from sitting on the fence. No pacts here!
Who you voting for? I assume it's not SF given their long history of arse sitting on the fence whilst important decisions are taken at Westminster without them.
Well like i said yesterday, I know nothing about politics only that the DUP are bigoted and corrupt as they come, I always used to vote SF but haven't voted the last few elections but this one def is as important as they'll ever be. I know it's my decision who i vote for but it just seems like i'm voting just for the sake of it and that no party deserves it, just cycling home this morning and seen election posters up around Craigavon from Alliance and i swear some young fella's face is on the poster and he looks about 17 ffs. Assuming he's older than that what the hell is that young fella going to know about it... ::)
Vote for someone who you think will bring a positive change to NI politics or society. Voting for the Shinners because you don't like the DUP is like watching rugby for the sole reason being that you don't like soccer.
As it's an undemocratic 1st past the post election - in Nationalist majority constituencies vote for the Nationalist candidate with the best chance of taking the seat.
In others vote for whoever has a chance of unseating the DUPUDA candidate.
Depressing maybe but in the circumstances what else can ye do?
Having posted here and starting to take an interest I had a conversation there in my sisters house and the census there was "you're wasting your time voting anyway as we don't matter a shite"(referring to the overall English vote etc). Maybe that's true to a point but the DUP done enough a few weeks ago to have a say on Boris...
On the issue of who i vote for...some of the comments/advice have made me more indecisive than ever. Of course i want the DUP out but as i see it it's like this...the people in this Country that come from the big massive housing estates that don't know any better and have probably never ventured far from their own doors will vote SF/DUP depending on the estate which leaves me with..."I really want to change this place but we're pissing into the wind"
Sf I still don’t think you understand the voting demographic in ni. In at least five or six constituencies the dup can do whatever they want. They can do anything. They aren’t Sinn Fein. That is all it takes.
They will still do ok in certain areas but Brexit will hurt them. We just don’t know yet.
Nigel Dodds was demonstrating against a Brexit deal that the DUP did so much to support. That shows the state they are in.
Having posted here and starting to take an interest I had a conversation there in my sisters house and the census there was "you're wasting your time voting anyway as we don't matter a shite"(referring to the overall English vote etc). Maybe that's true to a point but the DUP done enough a few weeks ago to have a say on Boris...
On the issue of who i vote for...some of the comments/advice have made me more indecisive than ever. Of course i want the DUP out but as i see it it's like this...the people in this Country that come from the big massive housing estates that don't know any better and have probably never ventured far from their own doors will vote SF/DUP depending on the estate which leaves me with..."I really want to change this place but we're pissing into the wind"
Which constituency are you in?
Having posted here and starting to take an interest I had a conversation there in my sisters house and the census there was "you're wasting your time voting anyway as we don't matter a shite"(referring to the overall English vote etc). Maybe that's true to a point but the DUP done enough a few weeks ago to have a say on Boris...
On the issue of who i vote for...some of the comments/advice have made me more indecisive than ever. Of course i want the DUP out but as i see it it's like this...the people in this Country that come from the big massive housing estates that don't know any better and have probably never ventured far from their own doors will vote SF/DUP depending on the estate which leaves me with..."I really want to change this place but we're pissing into the wind"
Which constituency are you in?
Upper Bann
It's important to vote, even if you know your candidate has little chance of success. Voting isn't always about instant gratification - it can take two, three, four attempts before your man or women gets over the line. Very often when a constituency flips you can track the momentum of new representative through several earlier elections - but that momentum needs people to get out and vote.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/11/northern-ireland-veterans-get-new-protections-tories-announce/
Conservatives in general election manifesto pledge to end 'unfair trials' for Northern Ireland veterans
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/11/northern-ireland-veterans-get-new-protections-tories-announce/
Conservatives in general election manifesto pledge to end 'unfair trials' for Northern Ireland veterans
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
Only good thing is that it should in theory be a very short broadcast.
He was always going to. A coward who thinks he's important and is no more than a stain on society.
Boris is clearly going to win this election. I would be very happy to be wrong but I doubt I am going to be.
Farage just announced that he is stepping down candidates in Tory constituencies, big boost to Boris Johnson and all Brexiteers.
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
It's game over.Farage just announced that he is stepping down candidates in Tory constituencies, big boost to Boris Johnson and all Brexiteers.
A big help to BoJo in fending off Labour and specifically LD. Not much help to him in the seats he wants to win to get a majority and or offset any he loses. Makes it easier for Labour to to say if you can’t stomach voting Tory don’t vote Brexit- they are one and the same.
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
Only good thing is that it should in theory be a very short broadcast.
;D
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
Begley, mmm naw I really don't rate her or know of anything she has done. Seems nice, but robot talk all the time.
Francie, I thought he had retired. Expect him to be down the local in the corner talking shite.
Maskey, he is bald I think.
Gildernew. I like her.
Hazzard-he is on twitter now talking about Bolivia, the new Maduro feck up fro SF. Anything to appear lefty
Elisha Dolittle-Clean useless. Great that she managed to brave the rain this week. What a hero. I could stick the knife into her in so many ways but I think most people in Derry know it all already, voter fraud the latest
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
Only good thing is that it should in theory be a very short broadcast.
;D
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
Begley, mmm naw I really don't rate her or know of anything she has done. Seems nice, but robot talk all the time.
Francie, I thought he had retired. Expect him to be down the local in the corner talking shite.
Maskey, he is bald I think.
Gildernew. I like her.
Hazzard-he is on twitter now talking about Bolivia, the new Maduro feck up fro SF. Anything to appear lefty
Elisha Dolittle-Clean useless. Great that she managed to brave the rain this week. What a hero. I could stick the knife into her in so many ways but I think most people in Derry know it all already, voter fraud the latest
If all the above are as poor as you think, then no one will vote for them.
If the majority in their constituencies prefer them to the other candidates then they will elect them.
That is how democracy works.
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
Only good thing is that it should in theory be a very short broadcast.
;D
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
Begley, mmm naw I really don't rate her or know of anything she has done. Seems nice, but robot talk all the time.
Francie, I thought he had retired. Expect him to be down the local in the corner talking shite.
Maskey, he is bald I think.
Gildernew. I like her.
Hazzard-he is on twitter now talking about Bolivia, the new Maduro feck up fro SF. Anything to appear lefty
Elisha Dolittle-Clean useless. Great that she managed to brave the rain this week. What a hero. I could stick the knife into her in so many ways but I think most people in Derry know it all already, voter fraud the latest
If all the above are as poor as you think, then no one will vote for them.
If the majority in their constituencies prefer them to the other candidates then they will elect them.
That is how democracy works.
I wonder would there be any chance of impeaching Boris at any stage. He'd definitely be a candidate for it.
With the Brexit party not standing in any seats the Torys are running in think they will now get a majority as I can see them taking a few seats off Labour
With the Brexit party not standing in any seats the Torys are running in think they will now get a majority as I can see them taking a few seats off Labour
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
Only good thing is that it should in theory be a very short broadcast.
;D
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
Begley, mmm naw I really don't rate her or know of anything she has done. Seems nice, but robot talk all the time.
Francie, I thought he had retired. Expect him to be down the local in the corner talking shite.
Maskey, he is bald I think.
Gildernew. I like her.
Hazzard-he is on twitter now talking about Bolivia, the new Maduro feck up fro SF. Anything to appear lefty
Elisha Dolittle-Clean useless. Great that she managed to brave the rain this week. What a hero. I could stick the knife into her in so many ways but I think most people in Derry know it all already, voter fraud the latest
If all the above are as poor as you think, then no one will vote for them.
If the majority in their constituencies prefer them to the other candidates then they will elect them.
That is how democracy works.
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
Only good thing is that it should in theory be a very short broadcast.
;D
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
Begley, mmm naw I really don't rate her or know of anything she has done. Seems nice, but robot talk all the time.
Francie, I thought he had retired. Expect him to be down the local in the corner talking shite.
Maskey, he is bald I think.
Gildernew. I like her.
Hazzard-he is on twitter now talking about Bolivia, the new Maduro feck up fro SF. Anything to appear lefty
Elisha Dolittle-Clean useless. Great that she managed to brave the rain this week. What a hero. I could stick the knife into her in so many ways but I think most people in Derry know it all already, voter fraud the latest
If all the above are as poor as you think, then no one will vote for them.
If the majority in their constituencies prefer them to the other candidates then they will elect them.
That is how democracy works.
With the Brexit party not standing in any seats the Torys are running in think they will now get a majority as I can see them taking a few seats off Labour
I think you may be correct, Farage's decision has just changed the whole election landscape.
Worse still, the Tories will fall just short of a majority and rely on the Brexit Party to form a government. I suppose it couldn't be any worse than a Tory/DUP government.
Surely to get “Brexit done” the Tories will need a majority, and to do that gain current Labour seats. Brexit party will surely cut into Tory vote in some Labour seats. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as some think
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
Anti-republican, anti hunger striker, typical modern day Shinner. Lifelong member of the Workers Party and senior member of the 'Officials' in Newry.
Ran a successful welfare advice centre in Newry and managed to increase the SF vote at the last Westminster election.
As thought, no one gives a fook about NI
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/11/four-ten-mainland-britons-dont-care-about-northern
As thought, no one gives a fook about NI
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/11/four-ten-mainland-britons-dont-care-about-northern
As thought, no one gives a fook about NI
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/11/four-ten-mainland-britons-dont-care-about-northern
I'm just surprised that 51% do actually care, they mustn't realise that it is costing them £11 billion a year just to run the place more than what it costs them to stay in the EU p.a.
It would be about €2,500 per hear if we were asked to pick up that tab on re unification.
Or around €5,500 per worker......
How much tax does Westminster collect from the 6 Cos?
It would be about €2,500 per hear if we were asked to pick up that tab on re unification.
Or around €5,500 per worker......
How much tax does Westminster collect from the 6 Cos?
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
Only good thing is that it should in theory be a very short broadcast.
;D
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
Begley, mmm naw I really don't rate her or know of anything she has done. Seems nice, but robot talk all the time.
Francie, I thought he had retired. Expect him to be down the local in the corner talking shite.
Maskey, he is bald I think.
Gildernew. I like her.
Hazzard-he is on twitter now talking about Bolivia, the new Maduro feck up fro SF. Anything to appear lefty
Elisha Dolittle-Clean useless. Great that she managed to brave the rain this week. What a hero. I could stick the knife into her in so many ways but I think most people in Derry know it all already, voter fraud the latest
If all the above are as poor as you think, then no one will vote for them.
If the majority in their constituencies prefer them to the other candidates then they will elect them.
That is how democracy works.
Surely you are taking the piss here
In SinnFeins party political broadcast will they be setting out the achievements of Mickey Brady, Órfhlaith Begley (she is the MP for West Tyrone), Francine Molloy (also an MP apparently), Paul Maskey (you might know his brother Alex), Michelle Gildernew, Chris Hazzard or Elisha McCallion?
When you read this it really hits home how useless SF are
Only good thing is that it should in theory be a very short broadcast.
;D
Micky Brady, honestly I cant even get a picture of him in my head, and I am not saying that for effect.
Begley, mmm naw I really don't rate her or know of anything she has done. Seems nice, but robot talk all the time.
Francie, I thought he had retired. Expect him to be down the local in the corner talking shite.
Maskey, he is bald I think.
Gildernew. I like her.
Hazzard-he is on twitter now talking about Bolivia, the new Maduro feck up fro SF. Anything to appear lefty
Elisha Dolittle-Clean useless. Great that she managed to brave the rain this week. What a hero. I could stick the knife into her in so many ways but I think most people in Derry know it all already, voter fraud the latest
If all the above are as poor as you think, then no one will vote for them.
If the majority in their constituencies prefer them to the other candidates then they will elect them.
That is how democracy works.
Surely you are taking the piss here
I am simply pointing out how democracy works.
The result of the election may not suit you as an individual, but unless you go against the will of the majority of the people in any constituency and try to impose someone else to represent them, then democracy must be observed.
Surely to get “Brexit done” the Tories will need a majority, and to do that gain current Labour seats. Brexit party will surely cut into Tory vote in some Labour seats. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as some thinkMe neither
It would be about €2,500 per hear if we were asked to pick up that tab on re unification.
Or around €5,500 per worker......
How much tax does Westminster collect from the 6 Cos?
expenditure is around £24bn, so tax is around 13Bn.
However, some argue that some tax is not clearly allocated, e.g. big companies based in Britain with substantial operations in NI.
One consequence of the new arrangements is that the sales of Tesco etc in NI will be clearer.
Conservative majority now at 4/7. No overall majority at 13/8 with Labour majority at 20/1.
As they say, bookies rarely get it wrong!
Conservative majority now at 4/7. No overall majority at 13/8 with Labour majority at 20/1.
As they say, bookies rarely get it wrong!
Oh dear. Border down the Irish sea. The DUP will find this rather upsetting.
Conservative majority now at 4/7. No overall majority at 13/8 with Labour majority at 20/1.
As they say, bookies rarely get it wrong!
Guys look I know it's great to gloat that the DUP have been fucked over and "border down the Irish sea" but this is a really shit deal for NI. While yes the DUP have been fucked over unfortunately we're all going to be pushed under that bus.So a better deal would be a border and checks between north and south?? Because it has to be one or the other.
This is a shit deal that involves loads of more paperwork and red tape. It puts barriers on trade between East/West. In short it's terrible but it's terrible for everyone not just DUP voters.
Guys look I know it's great to gloat that the DUP have been fucked over and "border down the Irish sea" but this is a really shit deal for NI. While yes the DUP have been fucked over unfortunately we're all going to be pushed under that bus.
This is a shit deal that involves loads of more paperwork and red tape. It puts barriers on trade between East/West. In short it's terrible but it's terrible for everyone not just DUP voters.
Surely to get “Brexit done” the Tories will need a majority, and to do that gain current Labour seats. Brexit party will surely cut into Tory vote in some Labour seats. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as some thinkMe neither
Guys look I know it's great to gloat that the DUP have been fucked over and "border down the Irish sea" but this is a really shit deal for NI. While yes the DUP have been fucked over unfortunately we're all going to be pushed under that bus.So a better deal would be a border and checks between north and south?? Because it has to be one or the other.
This is a shit deal that involves loads of more paperwork and red tape. It puts barriers on trade between East/West. In short it's terrible but it's terrible for everyone not just DUP voters.
I think you're overstating the "terribleness" of this deal. Once the teething problems are sorted out, I think it'll be fine. Once everything is up and running goods moving from NI to GB and vice versa will be seamless with no/minimal red tape. For goods that are moving to or coming from the EU, there will certainly be additional red tape, but just the same as goods moving directly to/from NI to/from mainland EU.
I think people forget that all types of Brexit will lead to red tape for NI. Even if the border was in Ireland and there was none in the Irish sea, there would still be red tape for goods going from NI to GB, where the ultimate destination of the goods is Europe.
Guys look I know it's great to gloat that the DUP have been fucked over and "border down the Irish sea" but this is a really shit deal for NI. While yes the DUP have been fucked over unfortunately we're all going to be pushed under that bus.
This is a shit deal that involves loads of more paperwork and red tape. It puts barriers on trade between East/West. In short it's terrible but it's terrible for everyone not just DUP voters.
The Tories entire electoral strategy is based on the assumption that most or enough people are thick. So thick they'll swallow the contionuos and unrelenting smears from 95% of the British media and distill it down to ridiculous assertions like "nationalise everything" as we saw earlier in this thread. Their strategy is underpinned by a horribly unequal education system so it's a solid bet unfortunately.
However, the way to beat this is not taking it on. It's to have a consistent and solid ground game and engage people on a more close and personal basis. Labour is doing this and will fight an incredible fight in this regard. Despite the horrific things he has been smeared with, the general consensus of those who've met him is that Corbyn is an absolute gentleman, full of empathy and respect and dignity. His consistency in his political viewpoints is undeniable. If wanting good healthcare, good education and equality are communism well then I guess I'm a communist too! The reality is that these fanciful labels like "communist", "Stalinist" and "socialist" are trotted out by the rich and powerful because they're afraid. Not just afraid of having to pay more taxes. They're afraid that everyone will get a chance in life similar to what their families and friends have had for generations.
It just amazes me that Corbyn is seen as a "threat". There is no bigger threat to Britain & Ireland, Europe than the Tories. With the Tories you're guaranteed a no-deal or bad deal Brexit and the economic carnage that will ensue. Who do you think they'll prioritise when the shit hits the fan? Labour offers the prospect of remain or a less damaging Brexit. And a fair chance for everyone. Properly funded public services.
The Tories entire electoral strategy is based on the assumption that most or enough people are thick. So thick they'll swallow the contionuos and unrelenting smears from 95% of the British media and distill it down to ridiculous assertions like "nationalise everything" as we saw earlier in this thread. Their strategy is underpinned by a horribly unequal education system so it's a solid bet unfortunately.
However, the way to beat this is not taking it on. It's to have a consistent and solid ground game and engage people on a more close and personal basis. Labour is doing this and will fight an incredible fight in this regard. Despite the horrific things he has been smeared with, the general consensus of those who've met him is that Corbyn is an absolute gentleman, full of empathy and respect and dignity. His consistency in his political viewpoints is undeniable. If wanting good healthcare, good education and equality are communism well then I guess I'm a communist too! The reality is that these fanciful labels like "communist", "Stalinist" and "socialist" are trotted out by the rich and powerful because they're afraid. Not just afraid of having to pay more taxes. They're afraid that everyone will get a chance in life similar to what their families and friends have had for generations.
It just amazes me that Corbyn is seen as a "threat". There is no bigger threat to Britain & Ireland, Europe than the Tories. With the Tories you're guaranteed a no-deal or bad deal Brexit and the economic carnage that will ensue. Who do you think they'll prioritise when the shit hits the fan? Labour offers the prospect of remain or a less damaging Brexit. And a fair chance for everyone. Properly funded public services.
Corbyn doesn't help himself with his latest tweet in support of McDonalds staff wanting £15 an hour. Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
Ok I get that this might be a slightly better deal than N/S checks or a border in Ireland. My point is more to do with people thinking it's funny that the DUP have been ditched. As if the consequences are completely localised to the DUP and their voters. It's such a naive view. This deal (which is awful) will have an economic impact on NI for years. So it must be opposed and in my view, we need to elect MPs who will go to Westminster and vote against it.
The Tories entire electoral strategy is based on the assumption that most or enough people are thick. So thick they'll swallow the contionuos and unrelenting smears from 95% of the British media and distill it down to ridiculous assertions like "nationalise everything" as we saw earlier in this thread. Their strategy is underpinned by a horribly unequal education system so it's a solid bet unfortunately.
However, the way to beat this is not taking it on. It's to have a consistent and solid ground game and engage people on a more close and personal basis. Labour is doing this and will fight an incredible fight in this regard. Despite the horrific things he has been smeared with, the general consensus of those who've met him is that Corbyn is an absolute gentleman, full of empathy and respect and dignity. His consistency in his political viewpoints is undeniable. If wanting good healthcare, good education and equality are communism well then I guess I'm a communist too! The reality is that these fanciful labels like "communist", "Stalinist" and "socialist" are trotted out by the rich and powerful because they're afraid. Not just afraid of having to pay more taxes. They're afraid that everyone will get a chance in life similar to what their families and friends have had for generations.
It just amazes me that Corbyn is seen as a "threat". There is no bigger threat to Britain & Ireland, Europe than the Tories. With the Tories you're guaranteed a no-deal or bad deal Brexit and the economic carnage that will ensue. Who do you think they'll prioritise when the shit hits the fan? Labour offers the prospect of remain or a less damaging Brexit. And a fair chance for everyone. Properly funded public services.
Spot on but you underestimate how thick the normal brit is. All you see on the news is smearing of labour and JC. It's ironic that given the age of smart phones we now have the ability to check or disprove any claim within a few minutes on Google. Unfortunately it seems the vast majority can't be bothered to do so.
Spot on but you underestimate how thick the normal brit is. All you see on the news is smearing of labour and JC. It's ironic that given the age of smart phones we now have the ability to check or disprove any claim within a few minutes on Google. Unfortunately it seems the vast majority can't be bothered to do so.
Exactly. All sorts of lies circulate, for instance the idea that Ireland sends most of its exports to Britain, which could be checked in 10 seconds on Google. But people can't be bothered with the truth
Guys look I know it's great to gloat that the DUP have been fucked over and "border down the Irish sea" but this is a really shit deal for NI. While yes the DUP have been fucked over unfortunately we're all going to be pushed under that bus.
This is a shit deal that involves loads of more paperwork and red tape. It puts barriers on trade between East/West. In short it's terrible but it's terrible for everyone not just DUP voters.
The only "good deal" is the status quo, i.e. remain in the EU.
yes, were all going to suffer due to the right wing nut jobs in the Tory party and their mates in the DUVF (stole that from someone else).
A UI and return to the EU can't come quick enough.Surely to get “Brexit done” the Tories will need a majority, and to do that gain current Labour seats. Brexit party will surely cut into Tory vote in some Labour seats. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as some thinkMe neither
Read somewhere that in the European elections that for every 3 votes the Brexit party got, two were from the Tories and one from Labour.
If that ratio persists in the forthcoming General election then Labour may hold more seats than they're expected to lose them.
European elections were almost like a protest vote and parties that did well aren't inclined to do as well in a GE.
Tories are going to lose out in Scotland so they need to make up that shortfall elsewhere and then some to have a majority.
It's looking like another hung parliament. :o
The Tories entire electoral strategy is based on the assumption that most or enough people are thick. So thick they'll swallow the contionuos and unrelenting smears from 95% of the British media and distill it down to ridiculous assertions like "nationalise everything" as we saw earlier in this thread. Their strategy is underpinned by a horribly unequal education system so it's a solid bet unfortunately.
However, the way to beat this is not taking it on. It's to have a consistent and solid ground game and engage people on a more close and personal basis. Labour is doing this and will fight an incredible fight in this regard. Despite the horrific things he has been smeared with, the general consensus of those who've met him is that Corbyn is an absolute gentleman, full of empathy and respect and dignity. His consistency in his political viewpoints is undeniable. If wanting good healthcare, good education and equality are communism well then I guess I'm a communist too! The reality is that these fanciful labels like "communist", "Stalinist" and "socialist" are trotted out by the rich and powerful because they're afraid. Not just afraid of having to pay more taxes. They're afraid that everyone will get a chance in life similar to what their families and friends have had for generations.
It just amazes me that Corbyn is seen as a "threat". There is no bigger threat to Britain & Ireland, Europe than the Tories. With the Tories you're guaranteed a no-deal or bad deal Brexit and the economic carnage that will ensue. Who do you think they'll prioritise when the shit hits the fan? Labour offers the prospect of remain or a less damaging Brexit. And a fair chance for everyone. Properly funded public services.
The Tories entire electoral strategy is based on the assumption that most or enough people are thick. So thick they'll swallow the contionuos and unrelenting smears from 95% of the British media and distill it down to ridiculous assertions like "nationalise everything" as we saw earlier in this thread. Their strategy is underpinned by a horribly unequal education system so it's a solid bet unfortunately.
However, the way to beat this is not taking it on. It's to have a consistent and solid ground game and engage people on a more close and personal basis. Labour is doing this and will fight an incredible fight in this regard. Despite the horrific things he has been smeared with, the general consensus of those who've met him is that Corbyn is an absolute gentleman, full of empathy and respect and dignity. His consistency in his political viewpoints is undeniable. If wanting good healthcare, good education and equality are communism well then I guess I'm a communist too! The reality is that these fanciful labels like "communist", "Stalinist" and "socialist" are trotted out by the rich and powerful because they're afraid. Not just afraid of having to pay more taxes. They're afraid that everyone will get a chance in life similar to what their families and friends have had for generations.
It just amazes me that Corbyn is seen as a "threat". There is no bigger threat to Britain & Ireland, Europe than the Tories. With the Tories you're guaranteed a no-deal or bad deal Brexit and the economic carnage that will ensue. Who do you think they'll prioritise when the shit hits the fan? Labour offers the prospect of remain or a less damaging Brexit. And a fair chance for everyone. Properly funded public services.
Nobody mentioned antisemitism in Labour until 2015 when Corbyn became leader. Israel runs apartheid in Gaza and the West Bank and young people have turned against it because of the human rights abuses. This was a huge shock to the Zionist elite in the UK who thought that UK support for whatever Israel did was guaranteed. All of the major Zionists orgs in the UK went after Corbyn.Corbyn doesn't help himself with his latest tweet in support of McDonalds staff wanting £15 an hour. Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
For the many, not the Jews
Nobody mentioned antisemitism in Labour until 2015 when Corbyn became leader. Israel runs apartheid in Gaza and the West Bank and young people have turned against it because of the human rights abuses. This was a huge shock to the Zionist elite in the UK who thought that UK support for whatever Israel did was guaranteed. All of the major Zionists orgs in the UK went after Corbyn.Corbyn doesn't help himself with his latest tweet in support of McDonalds staff wanting £15 an hour. Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
For the many, not the Jews
Sanders in the US has equated antisemitism to the oppression of the Palestinians. Things are changing and Zionists don't like it.
Spot on but you underestimate how thick the normal brit is. All you see on the news is smearing of labour and JC. It's ironic that given the age of smart phones we now have the ability to check or disprove any claim within a few minutes on Google. Unfortunately it seems the vast majority can't be bothered to do so.
The Irish are no brighter, except we've only had a socialist education system since the 90s. They've had one since the 60s.
Nobody mentioned antisemitism in Labour until 2015 when Corbyn became leader. Israel runs apartheid in Gaza and the West Bank and young people have turned against it because of the human rights abuses. This was a huge shock to the Zionist elite in the UK who thought that UK support for whatever Israel did was guaranteed. All of the major Zionists orgs in the UK went after Corbyn.Corbyn doesn't help himself with his latest tweet in support of McDonalds staff wanting £15 an hour. Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
For the many, not the Jews
Sanders in the US has equated antisemitism to the oppression of the Palestinians. Things are changing and Zionists don't like it.
There is no apartheid in Gaza or the West Bank. Israel doesn't even run Gaza, with its luxury hotels (check Booking.com), shopping, apartments and world class beach. Your "zionist elite" and "zionists don't like it" barbs fall within the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism.
Nobody mentioned antisemitism in Labour until 2015 when Corbyn became leader. Israel runs apartheid in Gaza and the West Bank and young people have turned against it because of the human rights abuses. This was a huge shock to the Zionist elite in the UK who thought that UK support for whatever Israel did was guaranteed. All of the major Zionists orgs in the UK went after Corbyn.Corbyn doesn't help himself with his latest tweet in support of McDonalds staff wanting £15 an hour. Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
For the many, not the Jews
Sanders in the US has equated antisemitism to the oppression of the Palestinians. Things are changing and Zionists don't like it.
There is no apartheid in Gaza or the West Bank. Israel doesn't even run Gaza, with its luxury hotels (check Booking.com), shopping, apartments and world class beach. Your "zionist elite" and "zionists don't like it" barbs fall within the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism.
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
I checked booking.com and there are no luxury hotels on the Gaza strip.
What the f**k are you on about? I went to school in the 90's and it was a bog standard shitbox cold all boys catholic secondary school. It was only socialist in that teachers and students were both subject to the same freezing cold dump buildings with f**k all resources!!
There sure is apartheid. Jews in Israel/Palestine earn 10-15 times what Palestinians do.
That's apartheid.
Israel runs the population register in Gaza and remains the occupier.
The IHRA definition counts anti Zionism as hatred of Jews.
It's bollocks.
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
Time for real change
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
Time for real change
I checked booking.com and there are no luxury hotels on the Gaza strip.
Quite correct. They're no longer listed there, but google still has a few
https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Gaza%20Strip/entity/CgsIq8Gc4smQ_ZngARAB?g2lb=2502405%2C2502548%2C4208993%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4285990%2C4288513%2C4289525%2C4291318%2C4296668%2C4301054%2C4302823%2C4305595%2C4308216%2C4313006%2C4315873%2C4317816%2C4322168%2C4329287%2C4270859%2C4284970%2C4291517%2C4292955%2C4316256&hl=en&gl=ie&un=1&q=gaza%20hotel&rp=EKvBnOLJkP2Z4AEQg9rKj76t092ZATgBQABIAg&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwiJ0c-sguXlAhV-TxUIHRX1B3QQvS4wAHoECAoQIA&hrf=KhYKBwjjDxAMGAcSBwjjDxAMGAgYASgAkgECIAE&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0xMi0wNxIKMjAxOS0xMi0wOFIA
https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Gaza%20Strip/entity/CgsIg9rKj76t092ZARAB?g2lb=2502405%2C2502548%2C4208993%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4285990%2C4288513%2C4289525%2C4291318%2C4296668%2C4301054%2C4302823%2C4305595%2C4308216%2C4313006%2C4315873%2C4317816%2C4322168%2C4329287%2C4270859%2C4284970%2C4291517%2C4292955%2C4316256&hl=en&gl=ie&un=1&q=gaza%20hotel&rp=EKvBnOLJkP2Z4AEQg9rKj76t092ZATgBQABIAg&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwiJ0c-sguXlAhV-TxUIHRX1B3QQvS4wAXoECAoQKA&hrf=KhYKBwjjDxAMGAcSBwjjDxAMGAgYASgAkgECIAE&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0xMi0wNxIKMjAxOS0xMi0wOFIA
I checked booking.com and there are no luxury hotels on the Gaza strip.
Quite correct. They're no longer listed there, but google still has a few
https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Gaza%20Strip/entity/CgsIq8Gc4smQ_ZngARAB?g2lb=2502405%2C2502548%2C4208993%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4285990%2C4288513%2C4289525%2C4291318%2C4296668%2C4301054%2C4302823%2C4305595%2C4308216%2C4313006%2C4315873%2C4317816%2C4322168%2C4329287%2C4270859%2C4284970%2C4291517%2C4292955%2C4316256&hl=en&gl=ie&un=1&q=gaza%20hotel&rp=EKvBnOLJkP2Z4AEQg9rKj76t092ZATgBQABIAg&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwiJ0c-sguXlAhV-TxUIHRX1B3QQvS4wAHoECAoQIA&hrf=KhYKBwjjDxAMGAcSBwjjDxAMGAgYASgAkgECIAE&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0xMi0wNxIKMjAxOS0xMi0wOFIA
https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Gaza%20Strip/entity/CgsIg9rKj76t092ZARAB?g2lb=2502405%2C2502548%2C4208993%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4285990%2C4288513%2C4289525%2C4291318%2C4296668%2C4301054%2C4302823%2C4305595%2C4308216%2C4313006%2C4315873%2C4317816%2C4322168%2C4329287%2C4270859%2C4284970%2C4291517%2C4292955%2C4316256&hl=en&gl=ie&un=1&q=gaza%20hotel&rp=EKvBnOLJkP2Z4AEQg9rKj76t092ZATgBQABIAg&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwiJ0c-sguXlAhV-TxUIHRX1B3QQvS4wAXoECAoQKA&hrf=KhYKBwjjDxAMGAcSBwjjDxAMGAgYASgAkgECIAE&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0xMi0wNxIKMjAxOS0xMi0wOFIA
Ok you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "luxury".
It's got a 3.4 review and it looks like a an absolute kip. It's last review was 6 months ago and when I tried to book a room it said contract the property which makes me think that this "luxury hotel" may now be a pile of rubble.
There sure is apartheid. Jews in Israel/Palestine earn 10-15 times what Palestinians do.
That's apartheid.
Israel runs the population register in Gaza and remains the occupier.
The IHRA definition counts anti Zionism as hatred of Jews.
It's bollocks.
No. There are rich and poor everywhere but apartheid is not everywhere.
If "Israel runs the population register in Gaza" why do Hamas refuse to hold elections?
Undue singling out of "zionism" is the essence of modern anti-semitism.
Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.
Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.
At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html
Have you ever been to the West Bank?
Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.
At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html
Have you ever been to the West Bank?
Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.
At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html
Jews and Palestinians have separate number plate systems. Jews are subject to Israeli civil law. Palestinians are subject to Israeli military law. Jews have enforceable property rights. Palestinians don’t.
The politics are changing now. Sanders opposes the occupation. So do most young people.
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
Time for real change
I'm up for helping people but £15ph for this sort of work is not realistic. I run my own business and if the minimum wage was £15ph I'd be out of business pretty quick. Don't forget you have NI contributions and employers tax to pay on top of that.
It's these sort of crazy economics from Labour that scare people who create businesses and jobs.
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
Time for real change
I'm up for helping people but £15ph for this sort of work is not realistic. I run my own business and if the minimum wage was £15ph I'd be out of business pretty quick. Don't forget you have NI contributions and employers tax to pay on top of that.
It's these sort of crazy economics from Labour that scare people who create businesses and jobs.
Talk me through this. On £8.21 in Corbyn’s constituency how long would your working week need to be to achieve non poverty levels of accommodation, food, clothing and heat. At this stage I’m not even getting into things like a pint or a tv or a movie?
At £15.00 how would it improve?? What is the propensity to spend by people earning £15.00 per hour.
Particularly interested in the bits of this you describe as crazy?
They might not get £15 it’s an opening salvo but £8.21 is obscene
Adam Levick is a Zionist spin merchant. Israelis have no answer to the charge of apartheid so they deny it.Have you ever been to the West Bank?
Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.
At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html
Jews and Palestinians have separate number plate systems. Jews are subject to Israeli civil law. Palestinians are subject to Israeli military law. Jews have enforceable property rights. Palestinians don’t.
The politics are changing now. Sanders opposes the occupation. So do most young people.
You mentioned separate roads. I debunked it in seconds. You could have reseached it before you wrote it but instead you lied. You lose.
Adam Levick is a Zionist spin merchant. Israelis have no answer to the charge of apartheid so they deny it.
Israel runs checkpoints on Palestinian roads. There are none in the Jewish road system. The article is bollocks.
So why do people with homes and families and responsibilities and families not work there?Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
Time for real change
I'm up for helping people but £15ph for this sort of work is not realistic. I run my own business and if the minimum wage was £15ph I'd be out of business pretty quick. Don't forget you have NI contributions and employers tax to pay on top of that.
It's these sort of crazy economics from Labour that scare people who create businesses and jobs.
Talk me through this. On £8.21 in Corbyn’s constituency how long would your working week need to be to achieve non poverty levels of accommodation, food, clothing and heat. At this stage I’m not even getting into things like a pint or a tv or a movie?
At £15.00 how would it improve?? What is the propensity to spend by people earning £15.00 per hour.
Particularly interested in the bits of this you describe as crazy?
They might not get £15 it’s an opening salvo but £8.21 is obscene
I'd guess that most of the people who work at entry-level grades in your average McDonalds are students or other young people who live at home and don't have to put roofs over their heads.
So why do people with homes and families and responsibilities and families not work there?
So why do people with homes and families and responsibilities and families not work there?
Because it's shit?
So why do people with homes and families and responsibilities and families not work there?
So why do people with homes and families and responsibilities and families not work there?
How do you know they don't?
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
Time for real change
I'm up for helping people but £15ph for this sort of work is not realistic. I run my own business and if the minimum wage was £15ph I'd be out of business pretty quick. Don't forget you have NI contributions and employers tax to pay on top of that.
It's these sort of crazy economics from Labour that scare people who create businesses and jobs.
Talk me through this. On £8.21 in Corbyn’s constituency how long would your working week need to be to achieve non poverty levels of accommodation, food, clothing and heat. At this stage I’m not even getting into things like a pint or a tv or a movie?
At £15.00 how would it improve?? What is the propensity to spend by people earning £15.00 per hour.
Particularly interested in the bits of this you describe as crazy?
They might not get £15 it’s an opening salvo but £8.21 is obscene
You see , you see £15 per hour for minimum wage and think that solves all problems everywhere
But how much does a trades person then get an hour? What about other skilled people? It's all relative.Wages are relative. I think most people get that
The educational value of this site grows
It push wages up everywhere, which in turn pushes up costs.
Who has to stump up? The consumer. Businesses don't absorb these costs. In real terms, probably no one is better off.
That's why this is crazy economics.
I get that it is difficult to make ends meet on £8.21 ph, but it's a multi faceted solution. Working families have always struggled to make ends meet going right back over this past 100 or 200 years. It's not a new problem and just simply paying people more isn't the answer.
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.
Time for real change
I'm up for helping people but £15ph for this sort of work is not realistic. I run my own business and if the minimum wage was £15ph I'd be out of business pretty quick. Don't forget you have NI contributions and employers tax to pay on top of that.
It's these sort of crazy economics from Labour that scare people who create businesses and jobs.
Talk me through this. On £8.21 in Corbyn’s constituency how long would your working week need to be to achieve non poverty levels of accommodation, food, clothing and heat. At this stage I’m not even getting into things like a pint or a tv or a movie?
At £15.00 how would it improve?? What is the propensity to spend by people earning £15.00 per hour.
Particularly interested in the bits of this you describe as crazy?
They might not get £15 it’s an opening salvo but £8.21 is obscene
You see , you see £15 per hour for minimum wage and think that solves all problems everywhere. But how much does a trades person then get an hour? What about other skilled people? It's all relative. It push wages up everywhere, which in turn pushes up costs. Who has to stump up? The consumer. Businesses don't absorb these costs. In real terms, probably no one is better off.
That's why this is crazy economics.
I get that it is difficult to make ends meet on £8.21 ph, but it's a multi faceted solution. Working families have always struggled to make ends meet going right back over this past 100 or 200 years. It's not a new problem and just simply paying people more isn't the answer.
So why do people with homes and families and responsibilities and families not work there?
Because it's shit?
In what way?
You see , you see £15 per hour for minimum wage and think that solves all problems everywhere
Why are you resorting to lies?
I didn’t say this. You have invented it.
It cannot possibly help your argument. It’s just a lie. Your lieBut how much does a trades person then get an hour? What about other skilled people? It's all relative.Wages are relative. I think most people get thatThe educational value of this site grows
It push wages up everywhere, which in turn pushes up costs.Who has to stump up? The consumer. Businesses don't absorb these costs. In real terms, probably no one is better off.
Society already stumps up. Housing allowance?? In work benefits?? Food banks??
Is the market working well enough for you for us to leave it well alone??That's why this is crazy economics.
I get that it is difficult to make ends meet on £8.21 ph, but it's a multi faceted solution. Working families have always struggled to make ends meet going right back over this past 100 or 200 years. It's not a new problem and just simply paying people more isn't the answer.
I haven’t heard any of your multi-faceted solution but I’m willing to listen.
The fact that poor people are poor is no reason to leave them poor.
Again don’t pretend that anybody claimed that paying people more was a magic bullet or a single solution . The attack was on Corbyn. Has he not put forward a fully costed package of measures in 2017 and is expected to do the same this weekend? I’m unaware of anyone in Labour who has argued that addressing low wages was anything other than a part of an overall suite of measures
So why do people with homes and families and responsibilities and families not work there?
Because it's shit?
In what way?
You hardly need me to explain how working in McDonald's is a shit job.
Shit company, shit product, shit atmosphere, shit HR policies.
You see , you see £15 per hour for minimum wage and think that solves all problems everywhere
Why are you resorting to lies?
I didn’t say this. You have invented it.
It cannot possibly help your argument. It’s just a lie. Your lieBut how much does a trades person then get an hour? What about other skilled people? It's all relative.Wages are relative. I think most people get thatThe educational value of this site grows
It push wages up everywhere, which in turn pushes up costs.Who has to stump up? The consumer. Businesses don't absorb these costs. In real terms, probably no one is better off.
Society already stumps up. Housing allowance?? In work benefits?? Food banks??
Is the market working well enough for you for us to leave it well alone??That's why this is crazy economics.
I get that it is difficult to make ends meet on £8.21 ph, but it's a multi faceted solution. Working families have always struggled to make ends meet going right back over this past 100 or 200 years. It's not a new problem and just simply paying people more isn't the answer.
I haven’t heard any of your multi-faceted solution but I’m willing to listen.
The fact that poor people are poor is no reason to leave them poor.
Again don’t pretend that anybody claimed that paying people more was a magic bullet or a single solution . The attack was on Corbyn. Has he not put forward a fully costed package of measures in 2017 and is expected to do the same this weekend? I’m unaware of anyone in Labour who has argued that addressing low wages was anything other than a part of an overall suite of measures
I tried to have a grown up discussion with you, but you've resorted to being a cheeky cnut.
£15 / hour is about the same as £30k per year!! For working in McDonalds! **
What does that mean then for a supervisor's salary; for a manager's salary!!
Workers will want to maintain their wage differentials relative to other workers. Teachers should be paid more than classroom assistants and will want to maintain their salary differentials.
A minimum salary of £15/hour would have a major impact on wage-driven inflation - in a short period of time you would find that £15/hr wouldn't be enough to get by on either?
Those in the lowest skilled, zero qualifications required jobs, that can be done part-time by 16 year old students, will always find themselves on the lowest wages and struggling to make ends meet. There is income support in the form of working tax credits for these people. Perhaps there needs to be more support, to ensure that these people are not falling between the cracks into a benefit trap.
There is no doubt that inequality has increased. As a percentage (and certainly in absolute terms), I suspect that there is a widening gap between Doctors and Nurses, Senior Executives and Administrators etc. That ought to be addressed, but you don't address it with fantasy economics, pretending that someone working in McDonalds can have the lifestyle of someone currently working at £30k p/a because that is simply not realistic or sustainable!
** Edit - I realise that the poster above didn't say £15/hour.
For context - McDonald's in the UK made profits of £341 million last year with one Director being paid £783k.
For context - McDonald's in the UK made profits of £341 million last year with one Director being paid £783k.
Sorry - was in a rush when I typed this and meant to say that was a 19% increase in profits. This is a big company making big profits and paying top Executives handsomely. I don't think £15/hr should be the minimum wage but certainly McDonald's can afford to pay that and should.
The economic model in place in Britain (and a lot of Western Europe and the US and perhaps elsewhere) presently is grossly unfair and is only going to go one way. Major changes are needed.
For context - McDonald's in the UK made profits of £341 million last year with one Director being paid £783k.
Sorry - was in a rush when I typed this and meant to say that was a 19% increase in profits. This is a big company making big profits and paying top Executives handsomely. I don't think £15/hr should be the minimum wage but certainly McDonald's can afford to pay that and should.
The economic model in place in Britain (and a lot of Western Europe and the US and perhaps elsewhere) presently is grossly unfair and is only going to go one way. Major changes are needed.
For context - McDonald's in the UK made profits of £341 million last year with one Director being paid £783k.
Sorry - was in a rush when I typed this and meant to say that was a 19% increase in profits. This is a big company making big profits and paying top Executives handsomely. I don't think £15/hr should be the minimum wage but certainly McDonald's can afford to pay that and should.
The economic model in place in Britain (and a lot of Western Europe and the US and perhaps elsewhere) presently is grossly unfair and is only going to go one way. Major changes are needed.
A minimum wage of £30k per year would put alot of businesses out of business.
I used to work in McDonalds as a student. Hated it, couldn't wait to work myself up to something better. Maybe McDonalds staff should do that if they want to earn more?
You see , you see £15 per hour for minimum wage and think that solves all problems everywhere
Why are you resorting to lies?
I didn’t say this. You have invented it.
It cannot possibly help your argument. It’s just a lie. Your lieBut how much does a trades person then get an hour? What about other skilled people? It's all relative.Wages are relative. I think most people get thatThe educational value of this site grows
It push wages up everywhere, which in turn pushes up costs.Who has to stump up? The consumer. Businesses don't absorb these costs. In real terms, probably no one is better off.
Society already stumps up. Housing allowance?? In work benefits?? Food banks??
Is the market working well enough for you for us to leave it well alone??That's why this is crazy economics.
I get that it is difficult to make ends meet on £8.21 ph, but it's a multi faceted solution. Working families have always struggled to make ends meet going right back over this past 100 or 200 years. It's not a new problem and just simply paying people more isn't the answer.
I haven’t heard any of your multi-faceted solution but I’m willing to listen.
The fact that poor people are poor is no reason to leave them poor.
Again don’t pretend that anybody claimed that paying people more was a magic bullet or a single solution . The attack was on Corbyn. Has he not put forward a fully costed package of measures in 2017 and is expected to do the same this weekend? I’m unaware of anyone in Labour who has argued that addressing low wages was anything other than a part of an overall suite of measures
I tried to have a grown up discussion with you, but you've resorted to being a cheeky cnut.
How did telling lies fit into your grown up discussion.
You were found out and called out and are now huffing.
If you would like to revert to the substantive points I’m happy to engage
Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.
At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html
The problems are not wholly related to wage. They are as much related to cost of living.in 1980 50% of housing in London was social housing.
What proportion of a wage was spent on funding the roof over your head in the 1950s? 1970s? 1990s? Now?
I would expect it has risen for 99% of people.
Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.
At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html
That article makes clear that there are some roads where Palestinians are banned. It also makes clear that people have different number plates, which is in itself a form of apartheid.
However, for security reasons, a very small percentage of West Bank roads around Israeli settlements (about 40 km in total according to the Israeli human rights organisation B’tselem) are prohibited to Palestinian traffic. But, even these 40 km of restricted roads are open to Israeli citizens of all faiths (including Muslims), east Jerusalem Palestinians (most of whom are Muslim), and foreign visitors of all faiths – Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze and Circassians.
* Moreover, even the 40 km of restricted roads in Israeli controlled sections of the West Bank (Area C) should be placed in context. Israelis, for instance, are not permitted to drive on roads in the Palestinian controlled West Bank (Area A). This is because PA security personnel (and the IDF) can’t guarantee the safety of drivers with Israeli license plates travelling in Palestinian areas.
For context - McDonald's in the UK made profits of £341 million last year with one Director being paid £783k.
Sorry - was in a rush when I typed this and meant to say that was a 19% increase in profits. This is a big company making big profits and paying top Executives handsomely. I don't think £15/hr should be the minimum wage but certainly McDonald's can afford to pay that and should.
The economic model in place in Britain (and a lot of Western Europe and the US and perhaps elsewhere) presently is grossly unfair and is only going to go one way. Major changes are needed.
A minimum wage of £30k per year would put alot of businesses out of business.
I used to work in McDonalds as a student. Hated it, couldn't wait to work myself up to something better. Maybe McDonalds staff should do that if they want to earn more?
You see , you see £15 per hour for minimum wage and think that solves all problems everywhere
Why are you resorting to lies?
I didn’t say this. You have invented it.
It cannot possibly help your argument. It’s just a lie. Your lieBut how much does a trades person then get an hour? What about other skilled people? It's all relative.Wages are relative. I think most people get thatThe educational value of this site grows
It push wages up everywhere, which in turn pushes up costs.Who has to stump up? The consumer. Businesses don't absorb these costs. In real terms, probably no one is better off.
Society already stumps up. Housing allowance?? In work benefits?? Food banks??
Is the market working well enough for you for us to leave it well alone??That's why this is crazy economics.
I get that it is difficult to make ends meet on £8.21 ph, but it's a multi faceted solution. Working families have always struggled to make ends meet going right back over this past 100 or 200 years. It's not a new problem and just simply paying people more isn't the answer.
I haven’t heard any of your multi-faceted solution but I’m willing to listen.
The fact that poor people are poor is no reason to leave them poor.
Again don’t pretend that anybody claimed that paying people more was a magic bullet or a single solution . The attack was on Corbyn. Has he not put forward a fully costed package of measures in 2017 and is expected to do the same this weekend? I’m unaware of anyone in Labour who has argued that addressing low wages was anything other than a part of an overall suite of measures
I tried to have a grown up discussion with you, but you've resorted to being a cheeky cnut.
How did telling lies fit into your grown up discussion.
You were found out and called out and are now huffing.
If you would like to revert to the substantive points I’m happy to engage
I didn't tell any lies
I'm not huffing, I'm calling you out for being a cheeky, ill mannered cnut.
You're grand, I'll make my point without engaging with you.
So having said that
£15ph for flipping burgers or doing any sort of low skilled job is crazy economics.
you see £15 per hour for minimum wage and think that solves all problems everywhere.Deny this if you will but lets face it I am going to find it pretty easy to prove that you did in fact post it.
Note what I said about inequality - particularly the salaries of top execs. I don't think it is defensible.
According to McDonald's website, they employ 120,000 people in the UK**. Let's assume that relates to 60,000 Full Time Equivalent.
If McDonald's paid an extra £2.50 per hour for 60,000 employees, and didn't pass the extra cost onto their customers, it would wipe a profit of £341m out entirely. That's OK if you don't want profit taking. But profits can a good thing. It provide's a return for shareholders (often pension funds), an incentive for investment and retained profit can provide the means for reinvestment. If you wipe out McDonald's profits by giving an extra £2.50/hour to the workers, does that make the business more or less sustainable for the self-same workers and McDonald's suppliers. It's also worth asking, what level of profit is acceptable - £300m?, £200m? £10m?.
Whether people like it or not, there is a market for labour and successive governments have correctly intervened in the market to first provide for a minimum wage and then provide a living wage. There are working tax credits (again maybe these should be increased) to provide a minimum basic income for workers. However, it is not sustainable for people to go from earning £8/hour to £15/hour overnight, because all that will happen is that will happen is that the cost of doing business and the cost of living will rise accordingly and the lowest skilled jobs will still end up being the lowest salaries in real terms.
** Just seen the point above about the franchise owners and I'll admit that I don't know much about their model.
West Bank Palestinians aren't allowed into occupied East Jerusalem to pray. West Bank Jewish settlers are. That's apartheid.
Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.
At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html
That article makes clear that there are some roads where Palestinians are banned. It also makes clear that people have different number plates, which is in itself a form of apartheid.
Context.QuoteHowever, for security reasons, a very small percentage of West Bank roads around Israeli settlements (about 40 km in total according to the Israeli human rights organisation B’tselem) are prohibited to Palestinian traffic. But, even these 40 km of restricted roads are open to Israeli citizens of all faiths (including Muslims), east Jerusalem Palestinians (most of whom are Muslim), and foreign visitors of all faiths – Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze and Circassians.
* Moreover, even the 40 km of restricted roads in Israeli controlled sections of the West Bank (Area C) should be placed in context. Israelis, for instance, are not permitted to drive on roads in the Palestinian controlled West Bank (Area A). This is because PA security personnel (and the IDF) can’t guarantee the safety of drivers with Israeli license plates travelling in Palestinian areas.
Sauce for the goose & gander doesn't exactly connote apartheid.
If security-related road access restrictions and different number plates for different territories really mean apartheid, I grew up in an apartheid zone.
For context - McDonald's in the UK made profits of £341 million last year with one Director being paid £783k.
Sorry - was in a rush when I typed this and meant to say that was a 19% increase in profits. This is a big company making big profits and paying top Executives handsomely. I don't think £15/hr should be the minimum wage but certainly McDonald's can afford to pay that and should.
The economic model in place in Britain (and a lot of Western Europe and the US and perhaps elsewhere) presently is grossly unfair and is only going to go one way. Major changes are needed.
A minimum wage of £30k per year would put alot of businesses out of business.
I used to work in McDonalds as a student. Hated it, couldn't wait to work myself up to something better. Maybe McDonalds staff should do that if they want to earn more?
Maybe read what I posted again because you've stated something that I clearly agreed with in such a way as to make it appear I disagreed.
As for the comments on what other people should do with their lives - how do you feel when people tell YOU how to live your life? Do people not deserve to get an adequate wage for work they perform? If in this case the answer is no then clearly the business is not viable. Or addtitional profits are being made on the backs of underpayment of workers. Whichever it is I don't think it's good and it's becoming less and less sustainable as an economic model.
Note what I said about inequality - particularly the salaries of top execs. I don't think it is defensible.
According to McDonald's website, they employ 120,000 people in the UK**. Let's assume that relates to 60,000 Full Time Equivalent.
If McDonald's paid an extra £2.50 per hour for 60,000 employees, and didn't pass the extra cost onto their customers, it would wipe a profit of £341m out entirely. That's OK if you don't want profit taking. But profits can a good thing. It provide's a return for shareholders (often pension funds), an incentive for investment and retained profit can provide the means for reinvestment. If you wipe out McDonald's profits by giving an extra £2.50/hour to the workers, does that make the business more or less sustainable for the self-same workers and McDonald's suppliers. It's also worth asking, what level of profit is acceptable - £300m?, £200m? £10m?.
Whether people like it or not, there is a market for labour and successive governments have correctly intervened in the market to first provide for a minimum wage and then provide a living wage. There are working tax credits (again maybe these should be increased) to provide a minimum basic income for workers. However, it is not sustainable for people to go from earning £8/hour to £15/hour overnight, because all that will happen is that will happen is that the cost of doing business and the cost of living will rise accordingly and the lowest skilled jobs will still end up being the lowest salaries in real terms.
** Just seen the point above about the franchise owners and I'll admit that I don't know much about their model.
There's a lot in that that strays from the central argument. Firstly, I don't believe that what's being sought here is an increase for every worker. So the 60000 FTE's getting a pay rise isn't realistic. Personally I'd feel that running McDonald's in the UK wouldn't be as difficult a job as PM so getting £783k (only one person I know but I'm sure there are several very well paid executives and managers) seems absolutely ridiculous so I'd suggest savings could be made on the higher end salaries. Or perhaps if pay increases are a no-no then the company could use some of their massive profits to provide other benefits for staff....to make it less of a "shit" place to work. Of course that's not their economic model. They don't want people to stay long term. They want to pay as little as possible in wages and don't mind high staff turnover.
Which 1 of the 3 are we scared of? Or are we saying that its socially necessary that McDonald's exist and the lowest skilled workers are the ones that have to take the squeeze to make it happen?
Which 1 of the 3 are we scared of? Or are we saying that its socially necessary that McDonald's exist and the lowest skilled workers are the ones that have to take the squeeze to make it happen?
Yes, I'm happy to say that - while also saying that McDonalds is a shit company. Because when governments get into the business of shutting down shit companies, it never ends well for anyone, least of all those who depend on low-grade employment to put food on the table.
If security-related road access restrictions and different number plates for different territories really mean apartheid, I grew up in an apartheid zone.
I honestly can't remember, it was 20 years ago. I've read and seen in practice a lot of economics since though.
Did you see the original introduction of the NMW, its subsequent increases or rebranding as a NLW as the government "shutting down shit companies"?
If McDonalds did shut down what would happen to the money spent in it - would it evaporate from the economy? What would happen the meals served in McDonalds - would those people just not eat?
If security-related road access restrictions and different number plates for different territories really mean apartheid, I grew up in an apartheid zone.
Likely in a West Bank settlement.
For context - McDonald's in the UK made profits of £341 million last year with one Director being paid £783k.
Sorry - was in a rush when I typed this and meant to say that was a 19% increase in profits. This is a big company making big profits and paying top Executives handsomely. I don't think £15/hr should be the minimum wage but certainly McDonald's can afford to pay that and should.
The economic model in place in Britain (and a lot of Western Europe and the US and perhaps elsewhere) presently is grossly unfair and is only going to go one way. Major changes are needed.
A minimum wage of £30k per year would put alot of businesses out of business.
I used to work in McDonalds as a student. Hated it, couldn't wait to work myself up to something better. Maybe McDonalds staff should do that if they want to earn more?
Maybe read what I posted again because you've stated something that I clearly agreed with in such a way as to make it appear I disagreed.
As for the comments on what other people should do with their lives - how do you feel when people tell YOU how to live your life? Do people not deserve to get an adequate wage for work they perform? If in this case the answer is no then clearly the business is not viable. Or addtitional profits are being made on the backs of underpayment of workers. Whichever it is I don't think it's good and it's becoming less and less sustainable as an economic model.
Before I go on I not hugely interested in McDonalds as a corporation nor am I adamant that I attach any significance to the £15.00 per hour figure.
But as they are the matters in the spotlight I'll run with the example.
If McDonalds paid a living wage (relative to the location) to their lowest skilled staff the 1 or more of the following 3 happen:
1) McDonalds dont pass on the wages increase and its cut into McDonald's profits.
2) McDonalds pass on the wage increase to consumers who accept it as the see it it as value.
3) McDonalds try to pass on the wage increases to consumers who don't wear it. Business ceases to be viable.
4) McDonalds try to pass on the wage increases to consumers who don't wear it Business then agrees to absorb the costs and reduce share dividend and reduce Directors and executives salaries accordingly
Which 1 of the 3 are we scared of? Or are we saying that its socially necessary that McDonald's exist and the lowest skilled workers are the ones that have to take the squeeze to make it happen?
4 is a variant of 1.For context - McDonald's in the UK made profits of £341 million last year with one Director being paid £783k.
Sorry - was in a rush when I typed this and meant to say that was a 19% increase in profits. This is a big company making big profits and paying top Executives handsomely. I don't think £15/hr should be the minimum wage but certainly McDonald's can afford to pay that and should.
The economic model in place in Britain (and a lot of Western Europe and the US and perhaps elsewhere) presently is grossly unfair and is only going to go one way. Major changes are needed.
A minimum wage of £30k per year would put alot of businesses out of business.
I used to work in McDonalds as a student. Hated it, couldn't wait to work myself up to something better. Maybe McDonalds staff should do that if they want to earn more?
Maybe read what I posted again because you've stated something that I clearly agreed with in such a way as to make it appear I disagreed.
As for the comments on what other people should do with their lives - how do you feel when people tell YOU how to live your life? Do people not deserve to get an adequate wage for work they perform? If in this case the answer is no then clearly the business is not viable. Or addtitional profits are being made on the backs of underpayment of workers. Whichever it is I don't think it's good and it's becoming less and less sustainable as an economic model.
Before I go on I not hugely interested in McDonalds as a corporation nor am I adamant that I attach any significance to the £15.00 per hour figure.
But as they are the matters in the spotlight I'll run with the example.
If McDonalds paid a living wage (relative to the location) to their lowest skilled staff the 1 or more of the following 3 happen:
1) McDonalds dont pass on the wages increase and its cut into McDonald's profits.
2) McDonalds pass on the wage increase to consumers who accept it as the see it it as value.
3) McDonalds try to pass on the wage increases to consumers who don't wear it. Business ceases to be viable.
4) McDonalds try to pass on the wage increases to consumers who don't wear it Business then agrees to absorb the costs and reduce share dividend and reduce Directors and executives salaries accordingly
Which 1 of the 3 are we scared of? Or are we saying that its socially necessary that McDonald's exist and the lowest skilled workers are the ones that have to take the squeeze to make it happen?
Added in a point 4 that no one seems to talk about.
I honestly can't remember, it was 20 years ago. I've read and seen in practice a lot of economics since though.
Did you see the original introduction of the NMW, its subsequent increases or rebranding as a NLW as the government "shutting down shit companies"?QuoteIf McDonalds did shut down what would happen to the money spent in it - would it evaporate from the economy? What would happen the meals served in McDonalds - would those people just not eat?
McDonalds will never shut down though, least of all in response to higher staff costs. They'll just continue to automate and their "restaurants" will employ fewer and fewer staff.
Business can fail. Not being to able charge enough for your product to pay your wages would be one of the reasons. Its not a reasons for telling a section of society that they have to accept a wage that you cannot life of though,
Ultimately GBP 15 per hour is like homelessness, poverty in Yorkshire and the alcoholism of ex army people- it's political.Business can fail. Not being to able charge enough for your product to pay your wages would be one of the reasons. Its not a reasons for telling a section of society that they have to accept a wage that you cannot life of though,
There's no compelling reason why students and youngsters living with mum and dad should of right be entitled to £15 an hour though.
On the other hand, if you need a decent job that will feed, clothe and shelter you and your family, you won't bother looking at the likes of McDonalds.
Ultimately GBP 15 per hour is like homelessness, poverty in Yorkshire and the alcoholism of ex army people- it's political.Business can fail. Not being to able charge enough for your product to pay your wages would be one of the reasons. Its not a reasons for telling a section of society that they have to accept a wage that you cannot life of though,
There's no compelling reason why students and youngsters living with mum and dad should of right be entitled to £15 an hour though.
On the other hand, if you need a decent job that will feed, clothe and shelter you and your family, you won't bother looking at the likes of McDonalds.
Business can fail. Not being to able charge enough for your product to pay your wages would be one of the reasons. Its not a reasons for telling a section of society that they have to accept a wage that you cannot life of though,
There's no compelling reason why students and youngsters living with mum and dad should of right be entitled to £15 an hour though.
On the other hand, if you need a decent job that will feed, clothe and shelter you and your family, you won't bother looking at the likes of McDonalds.
I have no problem with "Executives" being paid 500k, 600k or £1m+ per year. If they generate profits and grow businesses that then employ more people directly or indirectly then I'm ok with that.I agree with that in as far as it goes. I would go further though. Not every effort that generates profits and creates employment is equally ok. Obviously one that created employment that paid a living wage would be better than one that didn't. An important distinction.
They of course should pay their fair share of tax.Couldn't disagree
Some people think that those in charge should be on minimum wage and those on minimum wage should be on 15ph.Name one person that thinks that?
When you clock out at McDonalds (or any other low skilled job) you get to go home and not think about anything to do with work until your next shift. When you're accountable to other management, investors, and have to worry about numerous financial commitments the business has then you don't have that luxury.
Remember if it was easy everyone would be doing it.
The movement towards gig economy style labour markets is neither benign nor inevitable.
The movement towards gig economy style labour markets is neither benign nor inevitable.
I think the gig economy thing is a fad that will burn itself out, if it hasn't already started to do so. I know quite a few people who went in to things like couriering as self-employed and none of them stick it too long.
2 million people in the UK employed on the minimum wage, don't know how many of those are on full time hours though.
The movement towards gig economy style labour markets is neither benign nor inevitable.
I think the gig economy thing is a fad that will burn itself out, if it hasn't already started to do so. I know quite a few people who went in to things like couriering as self-employed and none of them stick it too long.
https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=sorry+we+missed+you+trailer#id=1&vid=9aed69e9d77ace08a154f5455fad3cc6&action=click
You would hope that the truth is not stranger than fiction but this is possibly the most thoroughly researched script yet
The movement towards gig economy style labour markets is neither benign nor inevitable.
I think the gig economy thing is a fad that will burn itself out, if it hasn't already started to do so. I know quite a few people who went in to things like couriering as self-employed and none of them stick it too long.
https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=sorry+we+missed+you+trailer#id=1&vid=9aed69e9d77ace08a154f5455fad3cc6&action=click
You would hope that the truth is not stranger than fiction but this is possibly the most thoroughly researched script yet
I find Ken Loach insufferable tbh. Each one to their own but to me he's a propagandist.
Do you think the scenarios he projects are untrue?
Do you think the scenarios he projects are untrue?
Probably half- and quarter-truths more than blatant untruths. (That's what propaganda tends to do.) It's a personal opinion. You are free to disagree.
Do you think the scenarios he projects are untrue?
Probably half- and quarter-truths more than blatant untruths. (That's what propaganda tends to do.) It's a personal opinion. You are free to disagree.
It’s a freedom i’ll gladly exercise.
Talk of half and quarter truths is evasive tending towards extremely evasive. What is he saying that is not true?
Do you think the scenarios he projects are untrue?
Probably half- and quarter-truths more than blatant untruths. (That's what propaganda tends to do.) It's a personal opinion. You are free to disagree.
It’s a freedom i’ll gladly exercise.
Talk of half and quarter truths is evasive tending towards extremely evasive. What is he saying that is not true?
Not interested in explaining. As I said I find him insufferable and sometimes hypocritical. But its not something I deeply care about.
So no evasion there then
So no evasion there then
So what if there is. If you feel you can win me over to him, the stage is yours. But I couldn't give a toss.
So no evasion there then
So what if there is. If you feel you can win me over to him, the stage is yours. But I couldn't give a toss.
Not trying to win anybody over. You say he is a propagandist and deals in half truths. You offer nothing to back that up.
This forum descends into chaos if posters can throw anything out there offer no evidence to support it and run away when challenged. You could claim anything on here if people are going to engage in that sort of intellectual dishonesty
Has the election been & gone already, since nobody on this thread has mentioned it for weeks? What was the result?Well surely its a done deal with this brilliant sell here.
Drinks his tea with the teabag still in itThat will certainly put off a lot of upper class tories ;D
The bit that no-one is talking about here is what happens to wages in the broader economy, when unskilled workers in McDonalds get a 80% pay rise in 2019.
Firstly, supervisors and managers in McDonalds, will not tolerate earning less than an unskilled colleague. Management recognise this and maintain existing wage differentials with corresponding pay rises for workers in all parts of the business. And if I'm on £15 per hour as a manager, and I see unskilled colleagues now getting the same wage, I also want an 80% uplift to maintain the differential that was previously there. So I'll be looking for an extra £12.40 / hour.
Then companies in the same sector have to start competing aggressively on wages to ensure that all of their staff don't leave to go to McDonalds. In a short space of time, the standard hourly wage for unskilled workers in the catering and hospitality sector is £15.
The catering sector will become more attractive for a time, as people working in other low / semi-skilled jobs, decide to move into that sector, meaning that other industry sectors (retail, manufacturing etc) start to up their game. Wages start to rise across the board.
Lower-skilled workers on £15/hour start to think about taking out loans and mortgages to get a good car, buy a house. House prices rise.
Meanwhile, retailers, foodservice, manufacturers start to increase prices as a result of higher costs, but also due to the fact that there is increased demand in the economy due to the extra spending power.
Inflation starts to rise quite fast
Bank of England puts up interest rates
Inflation has eroded away the increased wages
Higher interest rates mean that borrowers are now struggling to pay back loans on variable rates
Minimum wage workers are back where they started, only saddled with debt.
Is anyone better off? Is there anything sustainable about this.
Drinks his tea with the teabag still in itThats the worst cup of tea ever
The bit that no-one is talking about here is what happens to wages in the broader economy, when unskilled workers in McDonalds get a 80% pay rise in 2019.
Firstly, supervisors and managers in McDonalds, will not tolerate earning less than an unskilled colleague. Management recognise this and maintain existing wage differentials with corresponding pay rises for workers in all parts of the business. And if I'm on £15 per hour as a manager, and I see unskilled colleagues now getting the same wage, I also want an 80% uplift to maintain the differential that was previously there. So I'll be looking for an extra £12.40 / hour.
Then companies in the same sector have to start competing aggressively on wages to ensure that all of their staff don't leave to go to McDonalds. In a short space of time, the standard hourly wage for unskilled workers in the catering and hospitality sector is £15.
The catering sector will become more attractive for a time, as people working in other low / semi-skilled jobs, decide to move into that sector, meaning that other industry sectors (retail, manufacturing etc) start to up their game. Wages start to rise across the board.
Lower-skilled workers on £15/hour start to think about taking out loans and mortgages to get a good car, buy a house. House prices rise.
Meanwhile, retailers, foodservice, manufacturers start to increase prices as a result of higher costs, but also due to the fact that there is increased demand in the economy due to the extra spending power.
Inflation starts to rise quite fast
Bank of England puts up interest rates
Inflation has eroded away the increased wages
Higher interest rates mean that borrowers are now struggling to pay back loans on variable rates
Minimum wage workers are back where they started, only saddled with debt.
Is anyone better off? Is there anything sustainable about this.
Higher interest rates are guaranteed
So is a property crash
Longer term most people will be better off if the rich are taxed for the benefit of the wider society.
They should but this is much bigger than tax collection.
The bit that no-one is talking about here is what happens to wages in the broader economy, when unskilled workers in McDonalds get a 80% pay rise in 2019.
Firstly, supervisors and managers in McDonalds, will not tolerate earning less than an unskilled colleague. Management recognise this and maintain existing wage differentials with corresponding pay rises for workers in all parts of the business. And if I'm on £15 per hour as a manager, and I see unskilled colleagues now getting the same wage, I also want an 80% uplift to maintain the differential that was previously there. So I'll be looking for an extra £12.40 / hour.
Then companies in the same sector have to start competing aggressively on wages to ensure that all of their staff don't leave to go to McDonalds. In a short space of time, the standard hourly wage for unskilled workers in the catering and hospitality sector is £15.
The catering sector will become more attractive for a time, as people working in other low / semi-skilled jobs, decide to move into that sector, meaning that other industry sectors (retail, manufacturing etc) start to up their game. Wages start to rise across the board.
Lower-skilled workers on £15/hour start to think about taking out loans and mortgages to get a good car, buy a house. House prices rise.
Meanwhile, retailers, foodservice, manufacturers start to increase prices as a result of higher costs, but also due to the fact that there is increased demand in the economy due to the extra spending power.
Inflation starts to rise quite fast
Bank of England puts up interest rates
Inflation has eroded away the increased wages
Higher interest rates mean that borrowers are now struggling to pay back loans on variable rates
Minimum wage workers are back where they started, only saddled with debt.
Is anyone better off? Is there anything sustainable about this.
Higher interest rates are guaranteed
So is a property crash
Longer term most people will be better off if the rich are taxed for the benefit of the wider society.
I don't disagree with any of that. But it doesn't take away from the point that I'm making that this kind of stuff is for the fairies. There might be immediate gratification for anyone on the min wage getting a 80% pay rise with a short honeymoon period. But it won't last because whatever about the salary in pounds and pence, a wage - price spiral will erode it away and leave them back where they started, except potentially with more debt and a lot of frustration.
To me the answer lies in a fairer tax system. The large companies should be paying their corporation tax and high private sector earners should be taxed appropriately.
However, everyone should be paying their taxes and there are many working in the black economy and lots of self-employed, paying only some of the tax they should be paying. These people may be living very comfortable lifestyles, while their neighbours may be working full time on PAYE and wondering why it is that they are the only one in the neighbourhood who can't afford two holidays in the year and an SUV. In many cases, people's incomes don't reflect their aspirations and that is a problem in today's society. Keeping up with the Jones' is a bit of an affliction.
Everyone should be paying their fair share of tax! Those of modest means and the wealthy.
2 million people in the UK employed on the minimum wage, don't know how many of those are on full time hours though.
I assume most will be on some sort of state support such as Universal Credit or tax credits
Foyle and S Belfast to SDLP
N Down to DUP
I think fear is being whipped up all over by Unionists and they’ll come out in droves to secure N and E Belfast to leave the DUP at the same amount of seats and Sinn Fein to lose one in Foyle.
Yeah they’ll lose S Belfast but that was only a bonus from last time they’ll never win it again.
Aye....DUP win North Down & then they parachute their South Belfast loser back into Stormont, where she will be near her beloved husband.
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