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Title: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on October 21, 2019, 10:48:03 AM
Ulster Club SFC

Preliminary Round - 20th Oct
Cargin (Antrim) 0-12 vs 2-10 Derrygonnelly (Fermanagh)

Quarter Finals 2nd Nov
Crossmaglen (Armagh) vs Clontibret (Monagahan)

Quarter Finals 3rd Nov
Castlerahan (Cavan) vs Gaoth Dobhair/Naomh Conaill (Donegal)

Kilcoo (Down) vs Magherafelt (Derry)

Trillick (Tyrone) vs Derrygonnelly (Fermanagh)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 21, 2019, 11:01:48 AM
Kilcoos year to make the breakthrough Iíd say. No real super teams there and they have been the most consistent of the teams left. GD will find it hard to repeat last years success. Trillick May fancy themselves and Clontibret may also reckon they have the marquee player in McManus to make the breakthrough. We are too young yet
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 21, 2019, 12:02:54 PM
After yesterdays demolition derby Cross would have to fancy themselves to push on. If they tightened up at the back theyíd go far, that FF line they faced yesterday is excellent but Cross cut off supply to them big time in second half.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 21, 2019, 12:13:43 PM
Kilcoos year to make the breakthrough Iíd say. No real super teams there and they have been the most consistent of the teams left. GD will find it hard to repeat last years success. Trillick May fancy themselves and Clontibret may also reckon they have the marquee player in McManus to make the breakthrough. We are too young yet

Derrygonnelly are seasoned ulster campaigners now, they'd be tough enough for Trillick and shouldnt be a walk over.. Yourselves racked up a decent score and that will not go unnoticed..

 Kilcoo's age bracket I'm not sure of but they should win as Magherafelt will be still celbrating!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on October 21, 2019, 12:20:01 PM
Strange that nobody is talking about current champions Gaoth Dobhair for Ulster this year.

Yes, they have to win Donegal yet, but theyíll be hard to stop if they do.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 21, 2019, 12:23:58 PM
Strange that nobody is talking about current champions Gaoth Dobhair for Ulster this year.

Yes, they have to win Donegal yet, but theyíll be hard to stop if they do.
Poor showing yesterday on the TV, bad day at the office?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: StephenC on October 21, 2019, 12:52:07 PM
Strange that nobody is talking about current champions Gaoth Dobhair for Ulster this year.

Yes, they have to win Donegal yet, but theyíll be hard to stop if they do.
Poor showing yesterday on the TV, bad day at the office?

Played their final against Kilcar in the semi and just looked off yesterday. Expect them to win comfortably the next day out.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 21, 2019, 12:54:09 PM
Thats a great attendance they got in Derry.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 21, 2019, 12:56:22 PM
Brokencross playing it very coy there.  Age shouldnít be an indicator of experience. It was the youth that drove that victory yesterday, although Carragherís introduction made an impact. 

Cross were in second gear until the second goal went in which was the only worrying sign, a better team would have made a hard time for cross to claw back a 4 point lead for a second time in the second half. 
If they played anywhere near what they did that last 20mins very few teams will cope with them. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: lurganblue on October 21, 2019, 12:56:32 PM
Kilcoos year to make the breakthrough Iíd say. No real super teams there and they have been the most consistent of the teams left. GD will find it hard to repeat last years success. Trillick May fancy themselves and Clontibret may also reckon they have the marquee player in McManus to make the breakthrough. We are too young yet

This old chestnut  :D

Cross will fancy themselves and rightly so.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 21, 2019, 01:32:28 PM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 21, 2019, 01:34:24 PM
Kilcoos year to make the breakthrough Iíd say. No real super teams there and they have been the most consistent of the teams left. GD will find it hard to repeat last years success. Trillick May fancy themselves and Clontibret may also reckon they have the marquee player in McManus to make the breakthrough. We are too young yet

This old chestnut  :D

Cross will fancy themselves and rightly so.

Sure itís that time of the year ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: lurganblue on October 21, 2019, 02:06:42 PM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....

Strange one that alright.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 21, 2019, 02:11:56 PM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....

Strange one that alright.
Apparently the ref had a fortune on them
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on October 21, 2019, 02:43:17 PM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....

Do explain
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: lurganblue on October 21, 2019, 03:44:22 PM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....

Do explain

Ref blew for full time just as the lad kicked the equalising point. Didn't count.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on October 21, 2019, 05:27:17 PM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....

Do explain

Ref blew for full time just as the lad kicked the equalising point. Didn't count.
Not quite correct. He blew as the other lad passed the ball. The magherafelt players started to celebrate as the guy kicked the point. Had he not blown there would have been defenders on the fit and he may not have kicked the point. None of that makes the ref blowing when he did right tho
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 21, 2019, 06:40:27 PM
Is the semi final draw pre-determined.

I'd definitely make Cross favourites with their tradition and scoring power.

I think Trillick could give it a good rattle too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 21, 2019, 07:26:58 PM
Is the semi final draw pre-determined.

I'd definitely make Cross favourites with their tradition and scoring power.

I think Trillick could give it a good rattle too.

Cross/clontibret  v Casterahan/Donegal
Kilcoo/magherafelt v Derrygonn/Trillick u
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Square Ball on October 21, 2019, 07:33:29 PM
Heard a different story about the Glenn point. There was a free and the ref told the taker it was the last kick of the game, took it short and the whistle went. Can't confirm or deny as I wasn't there, just another take on it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Main Street on October 22, 2019, 01:25:56 AM
Of course Clontibret have John McEntee as coach, he who still has the imprints of Ryan McMenamin knees in his face. Up to the county final, Clontibret were 3rd in the county at best, but a long way behind Scotstown and Ballybay. Most probably Cross have nothing to fear from these social climbers.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Schkite on October 22, 2019, 07:04:40 AM
Of course Clontibret have John McEntee as coach, he who still has the imprints of Ryan McMenamin knees in his face. Up to the county final, Clontibret were 3rd in the county at best, but a long way behind Scotstown and Ballybay. Most probably Cross have nothing to fear from these social climbers.

You're right MS, Cross have zero to fear from us. We're just happy to have won the county again. The lads will be on the beer for the next week most likely.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 22, 2019, 08:00:56 AM
Of course Clontibret have John McEntee as coach, he who still has the imprints of Ryan McMenamin knees in his face. Up to the county final, Clontibret were 3rd in the county at best, but a long way behind Scotstown and Ballybay. Most probably Cross have nothing to fear from these social climbers.

You're right MS, Cross have zero to fear from us. We're just happy to have won the county again. The lads will be on the beer for the next week most likely.

Ah now. Leave the cute hoorism to Cross.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on October 22, 2019, 08:53:20 AM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....

Do explain

Ref blew for full time just as the lad kicked the equalising point. Didn't count.
Not quite correct. He blew as the other lad passed the ball. The magherafelt players started to celebrate as the guy kicked the point. Had he not blown there would have been defenders on the fit and he may not have kicked the point. None of that makes the ref blowing when he did right tho

Why was it not right?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 22, 2019, 10:26:37 AM
Of course Clontibret have John McEntee as coach, he who still has the imprints of Ryan McMenamin knees in his face. Up to the county final, Clontibret were 3rd in the county at best, but a long way behind Scotstown and Ballybay. Most probably Cross have nothing to fear from these social climbers.

You're right MS, Cross have zero to fear from us. We're just happy to have won the county again. The lads will be on the beer for the next week most likely.

Ah now. Leave the cute hoorism to Cross.

John Mc will have the Clontibret boys bursting a gut for the 1/4s. Young Cross team, suspect at the back, theyíll stick Vinny and McManus on the square and bomb it in on top of them....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on October 22, 2019, 10:41:57 AM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....

Do explain

Ref blew for full time just as the lad kicked the equalising point. Didn't count.
Not quite correct. He blew as the other lad passed the ball. The magherafelt players started to celebrate as the guy kicked the point. Had he not blown there would have been defenders on the fit and he may not have kicked the point. None of that makes the ref blowing when he did right tho

Why was it not right?

Maybe it was right, I suppose the ref has to blow for full time at some stage but it was certainly strange him blowing it up when Glen has a chance to equalise. You donít see that often
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2019, 10:59:03 AM
Some bit of refereeing in Derry....

Do explain

Ref blew for full time just as the lad kicked the equalising point. Didn't count.
Not quite correct. He blew as the other lad passed the ball. The magherafelt players started to celebrate as the guy kicked the point. Had he not blown there would have been defenders on the fit and he may not have kicked the point. None of that makes the ref blowing when he did right tho

Why was it not right?

Maybe it was right, I suppose the ref has to blow for full time at some stage but it was certainly strange him blowing it up when Glen has a chance to equalise. You donít see that often

Iím sure the ref let them know that time was running out. When taking a free and time is up, Iíll inform him that the ball must go dead, drops short Iím blowing up regardless. Supporters donít  hear the communication going on constantly with the players, and as frustrating as it is for the supporters itís the players that are the refs concern.

Anyways, Iím not sure the Derry lads will compete as well seeing this is their first for a good while. Let them enjoy it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 22, 2019, 11:00:07 AM
Is the semi final draw pre-determined.

I'd definitely make Cross favourites with their tradition and scoring power.

I think Trillick could give it a good rattle too.

That's a good draw for Trillick, they have a very good opportunity to make a final there. Derrygonnelly are very experienced now in Ulster but I'd expect Trillick to have too much for them. Kilcoo are also very experienced in Ulster but are probably past their best now at this stage? Magherafelt would presumably have been big outsiders in Derry at the start?

Cross/clontibret  v Casterahan/Donegal
Kilcoo/magherafelt v Derrygonn/Trillick u
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: regal on October 22, 2019, 11:44:25 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 23, 2019, 11:59:58 AM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 23, 2019, 12:05:26 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2019, 12:09:56 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

I hope he is divining correctly...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on October 23, 2019, 12:32:20 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Clontibret will not be a gimme for Cross. Some talent in the team excluding McManus.

Castlerahan will be better prepared this year after going hard on beer last year with a first title. Cian Mackey probably their most high profile player but Oisin Kiernan and Enda Flanagan county players too and others like Paul Smith and Ronan Flanagan have previously played county. The fact that Donegal replay will work in their favour.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: skeog on October 23, 2019, 12:47:15 PM
Trillick best value imo very focussed celebrations were minimal.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on October 23, 2019, 12:49:19 PM
Cross trained last night.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Schkite on October 23, 2019, 01:01:19 PM
Clontibret were on the beer last night
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 23, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
Trillick best value imo very focussed celebrations were minimal.

Thats just trillick
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 23, 2019, 01:12:48 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Clontibret will not be a gimme for Cross. Some talent in the team excluding McManus.

Castlerahan will be better prepared this year after going hard on beer last year with a first title. Cian Mackey probably their most high profile player but Oisin Kiernan and Enda Flanagan county players too and others like Paul Smith and Ronan Flanagan have previously played county. The fact that Donegal replay will work in their favour.

Very open competition this year.  A lot of teams will be fancying their chances.  Experience will be crucial.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 02:45:47 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: under the bar on October 23, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Errigal Ciaran thirds could win the Derry or Down championships ffs! ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 02:54:09 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

The Tyrone champions genuinely hold their own very well in Ulster. It's very hard for a Tyrone side to gain good experience in Ulster as nobody has retained the Tyrone Championship in recent years. Carrickmore were the last team to do it back in 05.

When you look at the likes of Cross, Scotstown, Kilcoo, Slaughtneill, Ballinderry over the years, they have all dominated their county championship and picked up their county titles in second gear a lot of the time. The Tyrone senior championship is the most difficult county championship to win in Ulster by a mile.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 23, 2019, 03:01:05 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Can only presume you havent watched a Tyrone championship game. Winners of Derry or Down championship in the last 3 years wouldnt even be considered for the Tyrone championship if they were in it, its a whole different ball game.
Gweedore would would have struggled to win the Tyrone championship last year.
Tyrone championship is the most competitive championship in the Country, getting out of it is the hardest part.

And i would add that division 2 winners this year in Tyrone would give a good rattle at a few other county senior championships in Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 23, 2019, 03:04:37 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Can only presume you havent watched a Tyrone championship game. Winners of Derry or Down championship in the last 3 years wouldnt even be considered for the Tyrone championship if they were in it, its a whole different ball game.
Gweedore would would have struggled to win the Tyrone championship last year.
Tyrone championship is the most competitive championship in the Country, getting out of it is the hardest part.

And i would add that division 2 winners this year in Tyrone would give a good rattle at a few other county senior championships in Ulster.

Don't believe this for a minute - come out of Tyrone and they can't compete - simple as that. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 23, 2019, 03:11:39 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Can only presume you havent watched a Tyrone championship game. Winners of Derry or Down championship in the last 3 years wouldnt even be considered for the Tyrone championship if they were in it, its a whole different ball game.
Gweedore would would have struggled to win the Tyrone championship last year.
Tyrone championship is the most competitive championship in the Country, getting out of it is the hardest part.

And i would add that division 2 winners this year in Tyrone would give a good rattle at a few other county senior championships in Ulster.

Don't believe this for a minute - come out of Tyrone and they can't compete - simple as that.

Cant compete? incorrect.
Goal at the start of the year for every Tyrone side is to win the Tyrone championship, not the ulster championship. Tyrone is that difficult to win that the clubs give absolutely everything to win it, having little left in the tank for Ulster. Also, Tyrone championship fixtures are a bit of a joke, county board fire them in anywhere, players are the last to know anything. Honestly think if a Top Tyrone side were in the Cavan, Antrim or Down championship they would be challenging for the Ulster club and all ireland every year.
There is a reason why nobody can defend the Tyrone championship lately
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on October 23, 2019, 03:14:47 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Can only presume you havent watched a Tyrone championship game. Winners of Derry or Down championship in the last 3 years wouldnt even be considered for the Tyrone championship if they were in it, its a whole different ball game.
Gweedore would would have struggled to win the Tyrone championship last year.
Tyrone championship is the most competitive championship in the Country, getting out of it is the hardest part.

And i would add that division 2 winners this year in Tyrone would give a good rattle at a few other county senior championships in Ulster.

Slaughtneil???
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Mikhailov on October 23, 2019, 03:16:38 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Errigal Ciaran thirds could win the Derry or Down championships ffs! ;D
.

Errigal 3rds canít even win the junior in Tyrone FFS
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 23, 2019, 03:21:58 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Can only presume you havent watched a Tyrone championship game. Winners of Derry or Down championship in the last 3 years wouldnt even be considered for the Tyrone championship if they were in it, its a whole different ball game.
Gweedore would would have struggled to win the Tyrone championship last year.
Tyrone championship is the most competitive championship in the Country, getting out of it is the hardest part.

And i would add that division 2 winners this year in Tyrone would give a good rattle at a few other county senior championships in Ulster.

Slaughtneil???

Would have struggled in the Tyrone championship, tight pitches, high intensity, anything could happen on the day
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 23, 2019, 04:03:04 PM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

No, just one or two bollixs.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 23, 2019, 04:03:54 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Can only presume you havent watched a Tyrone championship game. Winners of Derry or Down championship in the last 3 years wouldnt even be considered for the Tyrone championship if they were in it, its a whole different ball game.
Gweedore would would have struggled to win the Tyrone championship last year.
Tyrone championship is the most competitive championship in the Country, getting out of it is the hardest part.

And i would add that division 2 winners this year in Tyrone would give a good rattle at a few other county senior championships in Ulster.

Don't believe this for a minute - come out of Tyrone and they can't compete - simple as that.

Cant compete? incorrect.
Goal at the start of the year for every Tyrone side is to win the Tyrone championship, not the ulster championship. Tyrone is that difficult to win that the clubs give absolutely everything to win it, having little left in the tank for Ulster. Also, Tyrone championship fixtures are a bit of a joke, county board fire them in anywhere, players are the last to know anything. Honestly think if a Top Tyrone side were in the Cavan, Antrim or Down championship they would be challenging for the Ulster club and all ireland every year.
There is a reason why nobody can defend the Tyrone championship lately

I don't buy that at all - Tyrone people say this to make them fell better when they continually fail to do well in Ulster.

True, it may be hard to win Tyrone on a yearly basis as there are a few teams of a similiar standard.  That doesn't infer that the standard is high as this illustrates itself when a Tyrone senior club team steps up into Ulster. 

This, "the Tyrone c'ship is so tough" is waffle - every county championship is hard to win.  They get their 2 week's break or 1 week's break like every other team in Ulster.

The poor 'we're wrecked/nothing left in tank" before we get out of Tyrone is another excuse - put that into context - how did Slaughtneil contend with hurling and football week after week in two codes?   Look at Portglenone/LŠmh Dhearg/Cargin with the extra time and replays etc. ...now that's "having nothing left in the tank". 

Football only clubs in Tyrone should have no excuses - other counties don't throw out excuses.

Trillick should do well though - decent team with a good rest  :)



Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 23, 2019, 04:08:30 PM
I think this argument came up a few years back, that most other country champions would struggle to win Tyrone.  To that end I argue the point that:

1 Ė what is the point of county championships? Easy, to find the ďbestĒ team in knockout football over a series of games within that county. 
2 Ė what is the point in the provincial club championship? To find the best team in knockout football throughout the province by pitting each counties ďbestĒ team against each other. 

Thereby if the county champions from Down or Derry were to beat the county champions from Tyrone you would have to consider they could win their championship if entered.  Beating the Tyrone champions should more than validate they are good enough to win Tyrone club. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 04:42:30 PM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

What's Cross record like against Tyrone teams, think Errigal have beaten them twice and Omagh once.

I would imagine a side like Omagh would have won an Ulster club if they were in another county championship a few years back - teams like Cross, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo, Scotstown are back every year and that is more an indication of the lack of competition in their county championship.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 23, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

What's Cross record like against Tyrone teams, think Errigal have beaten them twice and Omagh once.

I would imagine a side like Omagh would have won an Ulster club if they were in another county championship a few years back - teams like Cross, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo, Scotstown are back every year and that is more an indication of the lack of competition in their county championship.

Why do you imagine this Angelo?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 23, 2019, 04:49:01 PM
Alternatively those teams mentioned which dominate their county championships are just very good teams...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Christmas Lights on October 23, 2019, 04:49:32 PM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

NEWTOWNBUTLER   ???
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 23, 2019, 04:51:09 PM
If Omagh where in another county, they would have to win that first, never mind Ulster....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Schkite on October 23, 2019, 05:02:57 PM
The Tyronies are gas altogether
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 05:16:54 PM
If Omagh where in another county, they would have to win that first, never mind Ulster....

It would be much easier win another county title than Tyrone.

Clontibret and Scotstown have won the last 7 Monaghan Championships between them. Ballinderry and Slaughtneil had won 7 consecutive titles between them up until last year. Cross have won 21 of the last 24 Armagh Championships? Kilcoo and Burren have shared the last 11 Down titles between them. Derrygonnelly are five in a row in Fermanagh.

I think it's clear which counties need to get their club championships in order......
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: under the bar on October 23, 2019, 05:23:07 PM
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Errigal Ciaran thirds could win the Derry or Down championships ffs! ;D
.

Errigal 3rds canít even win the junior in Tyrone FFS

That's cos Tyrone junior championship is a higher standard of football than Derry or Down Senior championships!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 23, 2019, 05:27:06 PM
I love how you spin stuff Angelo. No Tyrone winners since 2002 and only one Tyrone club have ever won it. That would go against the quote "I think it's clear which counties need to get their club championships in order......".

There I spun that another way for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Senior_Club_Football_Championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Senior_Club_Football_Championship)
That doesn't make great reading for Tyrone clubs.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 23, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
Some of my fellow countymen (and a few others) it seems either keep falling into the trap that arguably the most competitive championship = the championship with the highest quality teams, or are suffering from delusion.

The Ulster intercounty SFC during the 80's was the most competitive in Ireland, but whoever won it struggled at the All-Ireland stage. Only facing the Connacht champions in the semi final gave the Ulster winners any real hope of making it to the final.

In terms of the roll of honour in Tyrone in the last decade & a half, there is a wide variety of teams that have won the O'Neill Cup (Tyrone SFC cup) but no team has been able to retain the trophy since Carrickmore did so in 2005. In this years' county SFC, prior to the first game there was around 6-8 teams that you could say had a reasonable chance of claiming honours in the end, Trillick being one of them. However, the last of these winners that came close to provincial success was Omagh when they were defeated by Slaughtneil in the final.

Is it an advantage to be a "big fish in a small pond" thus being regular participants in the Ulster club? I'd say usually it does - but it doesn't always be, Cavan Gaels were dominating Cavan not too long ago but struggled to translate their county dominance in Ulster.

The fact is that Tyrone's representatives in the Ulster Club SFC have in general not been good enough when it has come to the crunch, only Errigal Ciaran have proven themselves at that level. No amount of sugar coating, some threadbare excuses or ridiculous suggestions that winning the Tyrone SFC is harder than the Ulster Club SFC can argue with historical competition results.

Having said that, I do think Trillick have a half decent shot this year. Never a bunch to lack self-confidence, they'll look forward to playing Derrygonnelly. Given how many from Trillick work or be educated in Enniskillen, both sides will know quite a few players in opposition and Trillick will get a rare chance to play a Fermanagh club in a competitive match. Brewster Park should be buzzing on Sunday week.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 23, 2019, 06:21:12 PM
Some of my fellow countymen (and a few others) it seems either keep falling into the trap that arguably the most competitive championship = the championship with the highest quality teams, or are suffering from delusion.

The Ulster intercounty SFC during the 80's was the most competitive in Ireland, but whoever won it struggled at the All-Ireland stage. Only facing the Connacht champions in the semi final gave the Ulster winners any real hope of making it to the final.

In terms of the roll of honour in Tyrone in the last decade & a half, there is a wide variety of teams that have won the O'Neill Cup (Tyrone SFC cup) but no team has been able to retain the trophy since Carrickmore did so in 2005. In this years' county SFC, prior to the first game there was around 6-8 teams that you could say had a reasonable chance of claiming honours in the end, Trillick being one of them. However, the last of these winners that came close to provincial success was Omagh when they were defeated by Slaughtneil in the final.

Is it an advantage to be a "big fish in a small pond" thus being regular participants in the Ulster club? I'd say usually it does - but it doesn't always be, Cavan Gaels were dominating Cavan not too long ago but struggled to translate their county dominance in Ulster.

The fact is that Tyrone's representatives in the Ulster Club SFC have in general not been good enough when it has come to the crunch, only Errigal Ciaran have proven themselves at that level. No amount of sugar coating, some threadbare excuses or ridiculous suggestions that winning the Tyrone SFC is harder than the Ulster Club SFC can argue with historical competition results.

Having said that, I do think Trillick have a half decent shot this year. Never a bunch to lack self-confidence, they'll look forward to playing Derrygonnelly. Given how many from Trillick work or be educated in Enniskillen, both sides will know quite a few players in opposition and Trillick will get a rare chance to play a Fermanagh club in a competitive match. Brewster Park should be buzzing on Sunday week.

Fair comment Fionntamhnach.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2019, 06:36:30 PM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

NEWTOWNBUTLER   ???

 ;D

Derrygonnelly!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2019, 06:39:33 PM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

What's Cross record like against Tyrone teams, think Errigal have beaten them twice and Omagh once.

I would imagine a side like Omagh would have won an Ulster club if they were in another county championship a few years back - teams like Cross, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo, Scotstown are back every year and that is more an indication of the lack of competition in their county championship.

EC beat us twice and Omagh beat us once. We beat EC, Dromore, Killcogher, think thatís it but not 100% sure about that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
Some of my fellow countymen (and a few others) it seems either keep falling into the trap that arguably the most competitive championship = the championship with the highest quality teams, or are suffering from delusion.

The Ulster intercounty SFC during the 80's was the most competitive in Ireland, but whoever won it struggled at the All-Ireland stage. Only facing the Connacht champions in the semi final gave the Ulster winners any real hope of making it to the final.

In terms of the roll of honour in Tyrone in the last decade & a half, there is a wide variety of teams that have won the O'Neill Cup (Tyrone SFC cup) but no team has been able to retain the trophy since Carrickmore did so in 2005. In this years' county SFC, prior to the first game there was around 6-8 teams that you could say had a reasonable chance of claiming honours in the end, Trillick being one of them. However, the last of these winners that came close to provincial success was Omagh when they were defeated by Slaughtneil in the final.

Is it an advantage to be a "big fish in a small pond" thus being regular participants in the Ulster club? I'd say usually it does - but it doesn't always be, Cavan Gaels were dominating Cavan not too long ago but struggled to translate their county dominance in Ulster.

The fact is that Tyrone's representatives in the Ulster Club SFC have in general not been good enough when it has come to the crunch, only Errigal Ciaran have proven themselves at that level. No amount of sugar coating, some threadbare excuses or ridiculous suggestions that winning the Tyrone SFC is harder than the Ulster Club SFC can argue with historical competition results.

Having said that, I do think Trillick have a half decent shot this year. Never a bunch to lack self-confidence, they'll look forward to playing Derrygonnelly. Given how many from Trillick work or be educated in Enniskillen, both sides will know quite a few players in opposition and Trillick will get a rare chance to play a Fermanagh club in a competitive match. Brewster Park should be buzzing on Sunday week.

Tyrone clubs generally compete fairly well regardless of who goes forward, they are very rarely given a big beating and usually pick up a few wins along the way. The fact is Tyrone have probably 5 or 6 clubs who can come out of the county championship and give a good account of themselves along the way, I don't think another county in Ulster can say the same. I think when you are regularly winning your county title, then you are looking beyond that and are tailoring your plans for a tilt at Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: under the bar on October 23, 2019, 08:34:46 PM
Tyrone and Donegal have wiped their asses with every other Ulster team they've met in the past decade and they probably both have the most competitive club championships in Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 23, 2019, 09:38:52 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

I agree it was fun reading
9 best teams in the province playing against each other
Best team wins - simples
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 23, 2019, 09:48:49 PM
Tyrone and Donegal have wiped their asses with every other Ulster team they've met in the past decade and they probably both have the most competitive club championships in Ulster.

Decade... Monaghan may debate that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 23, 2019, 11:22:55 PM
I certainly wouldn't underestimate Derrygonnelly. From chatting to Slaughtneil people I think they met twice in Ulster and proved very tricky both times.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt heíll be preparing a team for every eventuality
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:47:24 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt heíll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2019, 12:10:16 AM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt heíll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.

By youíre reasoning the Dublin club championship is more difficult to retain?

So, their record at All Ireland club level would be shit due to the difficulty of winning The Dub championship ?

Ffs my clubs won more Ulster club titles that Tyrone!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 12:21:18 AM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt heíll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.

Pure waffle. There is no such thing as a 'soft county title', regardless of county.

Tyrone clubs really need to start to push on at senior Ulster club level.

I'd say they do alright at intermediate and junior level .  What tbere's record there?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 24, 2019, 08:36:41 AM
Itís brilliant that because Tyrone have a terrible record in the Ulster Angelo is now spinning it that itís because the Tyrone championship is much stronger   ;D He could take any statistic and skew it Ito his favour lol.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 24, 2019, 08:55:54 AM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt heíll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.

Pure waffle. There is no such thing as a 'soft county title', regardless of county.

Tyrone clubs really need to start to push on at senior Ulster club level.

I'd say they do alright at intermediate and junior level .  What tbere's record there?

There is when the same clubs are coming on year on year without any trouble. If you look at Ulster club winners since 2004, only 5 different clubs have won it - Cross, Galls, Ballinderry, Slaughtneil and Gweedore. The former 4 have all dominated their club scene for a period through that.

You also have the likes of Kilcoo and Scotstown who have been close to Ulster titles in that time who dominated their county scenes.

There isn't a super club in Tyrone but even if there was they would find it very difficult to replicate the dominance big clubs have in counties like Armagh, Derry, Down etc.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 24, 2019, 08:59:00 AM
Itís brilliant that because Tyrone have a terrible record in the Ulster Angelo is now spinning it that itís because the Tyrone championship is much stronger   ;D He could take any statistic and skew it Ito his favour lol.

Tyrone haven't returned the same champion since 2005, this would say something about the strength of it. Compare that to years of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown, Kilcoo hockeying their opponents in county finals.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 24, 2019, 09:02:30 AM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

What's Cross record like against Tyrone teams, think Errigal have beaten them twice and Omagh once.

I would imagine a side like Omagh would have won an Ulster club if they were in another county championship a few years back - teams like Cross, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo, Scotstown are back every year and that is more an indication of the lack of competition in their county championship.

Why do you imagine this Angelo?

They'd have got more than one or two cracks at the whip and would have been able to tailor their plans to peak for the Ulster club, they don't have the luxury sides like Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown, Kilcoo have generally had/have in their own county championship.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 24, 2019, 09:06:01 AM
Fionn said it best. The reality is that, yes there might be a certain edge to entering Ulster repeatedly, and getting experience in that arena  which clubs in Tyrone haven't got. And I think it would help a Tyrone team if they retained they O'Neill cup as the focus at that stage would definitely be on a run in Ulster.
But if the Tyrone teams were good enough they would still have won more. There's no if's or buts about that.
And it's not something I would overly worry about being from Tyrone and feel the need to defend. Would I prefer a Championship like Armagh, where one team dominated the county championship for the last couple of decades but were successful in Ulster and All Ireland as well? Not really. A mix of both would be good as in a competitive county championship and some success in Ulster. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 24, 2019, 09:28:08 AM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 09:32:28 AM
The Tyrone Championship is definitely the most challenging in Ulster if not Ireland. Any team can win it on any given day, meaning the best team doesn't always win. Obviously if you do 2/3 in a row county championships you are going to start putting your focus towards Ulster Championships but in Tyrone you don't have the luxury of thinking about ulster and its the main reason Tyrone champions don't show well in ulster. In many counties, the club championship is a run of games to prepare for ulster as the champions can be identified early. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 09:34:04 AM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?
Consecutively, no.
More frequent than other teams, yes.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 09:38:26 AM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 09:42:13 AM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Correct, some teams that come out of Tyrone aren't good enough. This is because the best team doesn't win it every year like what happens in every other county
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on October 24, 2019, 09:50:50 AM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?
Yes. People are making out like the likes of Ballinderry, Coleraine etc. were just rolling over and letting Slaughtneil beat them there for a few years. Those sides were as good as what was in Tyrone in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 09:58:39 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 24, 2019, 10:08:01 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on October 24, 2019, 10:20:59 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: lurganblue on October 24, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
I think we are confusing competitiveness with quality.  Tyrone may have a lot of teams on the same level, making their championship the most competitive, but clearly they are not of the quality of other sides in Ulster. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 10:31:45 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on October 24, 2019, 10:39:45 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2019, 10:48:31 AM
In the last 25 years,  since football was in the re-invention puberty, nearly all of the Ulster club tiles have been won by Armagh and Derry clubs,  20/25.  Ulster must be as easy as the Derry or Armagh championship then to have that level of dominance seeing as clubs can rest themselves to get to the AI series pretty handily....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: clarshack on October 24, 2019, 10:52:41 AM
why is senior football so strong in Derry but Intermediate and Junior so poor in comparison with other counties.?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 11:13:17 AM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt heíll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.

By youíre reasoning the Dublin club championship is more difficult to retain?

So, their record at All Ireland club level would be shit due to the difficulty of winning The Dub championship ?

Ffs my clubs won more Ulster club titles that Tyrone!

Incorrect fella, as Leinster is a cake walk then, whereas Ulster isnt. Each one of you as wrong as the next.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on October 24, 2019, 11:16:04 AM
why is senior football so strong in Derry but Intermediate and Junior so poor in comparison with other counties.?
Only Tyrone and Monaghan clubs have won more Ulster Intermediate titles than Derry clubs so I don't think we're overly poor at that level either. More a case of Tyrone and Monaghan being strong. A Derry club, Craigbane, were the first club to win Ulster Intermediate twice. Cookstown and Pomeroy have since followed.

We have been poor at Junior level, though Limavady and Faughanvale were beaten finalists in recent years. Our Junior winners have been between the 33rd-40th ranked club in the county and the standard has been poor enough to be honest. A number of these clubs would have found it hard to field teams in recent years. From next year on there has been a slight rejig to, I think, the bottom 9 or 10 teams competing in Junior champion so hopefully we'll improve at that level.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 11:32:34 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 24, 2019, 11:42:16 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.

The other 8 counties should play off the club competition as normal. The Ďwinnersí then play the Tyrone county champions in a one-off final to determine the true Ulster club champion. Only way to sort it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 11:42:41 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Estimator on October 24, 2019, 11:55:44 AM
Angeloís argument you need to be dominant in your own county doesnít really work when looking at the Derry sides that have won Ulster going back 30 years.

Lavey won a county title in 1988, their first since 1980, they then won the county title in 1990 and went on to win the All-Ireland. They won Ulster again in 1992.

Bellaghy won the county title in 1994, their first appearance in the county final since 1986, they won Ulster and made it to the AI final.

Dungiven were beat in the county final in 1996, first victory since 1991, then followed that up with victory in 1997 and won the Ulster title.

Ballinderry lost the 1999 and 2000 county finals, they finally won in 2001 and went on to win the All-Ireland.

An Lub won their first county title in 60odd years in 2003 and went on to win Ulster

Slaughtneil won their first county title in 10yrs in 2014, they lost a couple of finals previous to that.  It took a highly disputed goal to clinch victory in that county final.  They went on to win Ulster, and get to the AI final.

None of those clubs were the dominant clubs when they won the County Title, they were just very good teams that made the most of their opportunity when they arrived on the Ulster Club scene.

On the flip side of that Mayobridge and Kilcoo have been dominant clubs in Down, at times, over the last 25yrs, but between them they didnít take home the Ulster title.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 24, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
I think we are confusing competitiveness with quality.  Tyrone may have a lot of teams on the same level, making their championship the most competitive, but clearly they are not of the quality of other sides in Ulster.

Exactly this. This is the first place where Angelo's argument falls down. (it falls down everywhere else but this is the key place it falls down ;D)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 12:12:22 PM
why is senior football so strong in Derry but Intermediate and Junior so poor in comparison with other counties.?

South Derry is where it's at in terms of senior club football in Derry - ultra competitive, even at underage.

Aprt from Eogan Rua and Dungiven (I think they've fallen back a good bit recently at senior level), south derry has Magherafelt, Glen, Slaughtneil, Lavey, Loup, Ballinderry etc.etc. 

Add, with the underage work of these clubs, the success of St. Pat's Maghera and St. Mary's Magherafelt as well as St. Piux in Magherafelt.

Intermediate and junior not as strong in Derry - Glack got badly beaten at week-end.  Not sure how Foreglen will go in intermediate.  A lot of north derry/Derry City based clubs in these 2 championships. An important thing for these clubs is to get promoted in their league and develop that way - build up at underage and develop.

Tradition matters and is hard to beat.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because theyíve the best county championship they then canít win Ulster because the club canít get a run at it, as the same team canít retain their club championship?

Either youíre good enough to win another 3/4 games or youíre not! Worst record in Ulster club. Thatís the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replayís? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact theyíve won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt heíll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.

By youíre reasoning the Dublin club championship is more difficult to retain?

So, their record at All Ireland club level would be shit due to the difficulty of winning The Dub championship ?

Ffs my clubs won more Ulster club titles that Tyrone!

Incorrect fella, as Leinster is a cake walk then, whereas Ulster isnt. Each one of you as wrong as the next.

Since 2000, ten Dublin teams have won through to Lenister titles, the other nine obviously from the other counties outside of Dublin. Not exactly a walk in

 Five of those finals there was 1 score seperating the Dublin winners
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 24, 2019, 01:22:06 PM
Some of my fellow countymen (and a few others) it seems either keep falling into the trap that arguably the most competitive championship = the championship with the highest quality teams, or are suffering from delusion.

The Ulster intercounty SFC during the 80's was the most competitive in Ireland, but whoever won it struggled at the All-Ireland stage. Only facing the Connacht champions in the semi final gave the Ulster winners any real hope of making it to the final.

In terms of the roll of honour in Tyrone in the last decade & a half, there is a wide variety of teams that have won the O'Neill Cup (Tyrone SFC cup) but no team has been able to retain the trophy since Carrickmore did so in 2005. In this years' county SFC, prior to the first game there was around 6-8 teams that you could say had a reasonable chance of claiming honours in the end, Trillick being one of them. However, the last of these winners that came close to provincial success was Omagh when they were defeated by Slaughtneil in the final.

Is it an advantage to be a "big fish in a small pond" thus being regular participants in the Ulster club? I'd say usually it does - but it doesn't always be, Cavan Gaels were dominating Cavan not too long ago but struggled to translate their county dominance in Ulster.

The fact is that Tyrone's representatives in the Ulster Club SFC have in general not been good enough when it has come to the crunch, only Errigal Ciaran have proven themselves at that level. No amount of sugar coating, some threadbare excuses or ridiculous suggestions that winning the Tyrone SFC is harder than the Ulster Club SFC can argue with historical competition results.

Having said that, I do think Trillick have a half decent shot this year. Never a bunch to lack self-confidence, they'll look forward to playing Derrygonnelly. Given how many from Trillick work or be educated in Enniskillen, both sides will know quite a few players in opposition and Trillick will get a rare chance to play a Fermanagh club in a competitive match. Brewster Park should be buzzing on Sunday week.

Tyrone clubs generally compete fairly well regardless of who goes forward, they are very rarely given a big beating and usually pick up a few wins along the way. The fact is Tyrone have probably 5 or 6 clubs who can come out of the county championship and give a good account of themselves along the way, I don't think another county in Ulster can say the same. I think when you are regularly winning your county title, then you are looking beyond that and are tailoring your plans for a tilt at Ulster.

None of the above excuses Tyrone's poor record in the Ulster Club SFC. Giving "a good account of themselves" doesn't end up showing on the roll of honour for the competition over the past 50 years. Winning games is what matters.

Worth mentioning that Errigal Ciaran won their first Ulster club title (and any for a Tyrone club) in 1993 having won their first ever county title. Indeed when talking about no team retaining the county title since 2005, between 1993 and 2005, Errigal Ciaran and Carrickmore won 11 of the 13 county championships between them (Ardboe won in 98 and Killyclogher in 2003) and while Errigal picked up another provincial title in 2002, Carrickmore failed to capitalise much once they went outside the county.

The Tyrone SFC is indeed a very competitive competition, probably one of the most in Ulster if not all of Ireland. Let alone simply retaining the championship, the last time a three-in-a-row was achieved was 40 years ago and no club has done four-in-a-row or better. But you can have a very competitive Intermediate Reserve or Junior Reserve championship some years in Tyrone but that doesn't mean that the overall standard in those competitions is very high.

The records in the competition speaks for itself. There is no point in claiming that Tyrone teams and clubs are somehow naturally better, but when there is some evidence to the contrary, all sorts of contortions for excuses are made.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 01:52:08 PM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.

Not waffle, facts.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 01:53:39 PM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Correct, some teams that come out of Tyrone aren't good enough. This is because the best team doesn't win it every year like what happens in every other county

Excellent point, thats the truth. For a prime example look at this years winners.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 01:54:48 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.

Everyones entitled to their opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 24, 2019, 01:57:23 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Whatever about the arguments concerning the Ulster club SFC, the St. Paul's records have a more reasonable record concerning Tyrone clubs. Namely that much of the underage talent in Tyrone is widely spread out across the county, and not concentrated into a say a handful of "superclubs" or be largely restricted to a certain area or district of a county, as might be the case in a few counties.

Back in the 00's, I was involved in the Tyrone Vocational Schools Intercounty team. Though I wasn't involved in all of them, we appeared in four All-Ireland finals that decade, winning three of them. When it came to getting a squad together, it was a competitive squad selection process with trials involved etc. and one thing was clear - if you were good enough, you were good enough regardless of what school you attended or what club you played for (given the county you played for was dependent on where the school was located, this could involve belonging to a club outside Tyrone). Some of the best players we had came from somewhat unfashionable clubs whom at youth levels might have played in grade 3 or even 4 in club competitions in Tyrone. In my time being involved with them, we had players from every school in Tyrone that competed in VS competitions themselves bar one (the now-closed St. Eugene's HS in Castlederg). This then fed back into the county minor setup which at the time was similarly meritocratic. It was, and still is, rare for either the panel or the starting 15 of any Tyrone underage team to be dominated with players from one or two (or even three) clubs. As this talent pool was somewhat "diluted", it means that few Tyrone minor club teams are dominated by having a handful of county players in their squad. In the list you quote, Tyrone club's records in the St. Paul's tournament isn't actually much to be sniffed at, with Derry clubs well ahead of everyone else - however at county level they have struggled to convert this - no All-Ireland minor title since 2002 and only two Ulster titles since then.

On a tangent, quite a few players in the Tyrone senior football squads that won All-Ireland titles in the 00's have played at Junior club level in the county either at the time or at some point in their careers. This would include Pascal McConnell, Stephen O'Neill, Brian Dooher, Ciaran Gourley, and even Peter Canavan has a Junior league medal! Beyond that, quite a few others have otherwise been playing much of their club football at Intermediate level with occasional Senior club championship appearances. There's less of that these days though sadly for whatever reason. Of the Tyrone starting 15 & subs bench on the 2018 All-Ireland SFC final, only Cathal McShane has experience of Junior club football, and there were no players from Junior clubs in the 2019 squad.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 24, 2019, 01:58:07 PM
Some of my fellow countymen (and a few others) it seems either keep falling into the trap that arguably the most competitive championship = the championship with the highest quality teams, or are suffering from delusion.

The Ulster intercounty SFC during the 80's was the most competitive in Ireland, but whoever won it struggled at the All-Ireland stage. Only facing the Connacht champions in the semi final gave the Ulster winners any real hope of making it to the final.

In terms of the roll of honour in Tyrone in the last decade & a half, there is a wide variety of teams that have won the O'Neill Cup (Tyrone SFC cup) but no team has been able to retain the trophy since Carrickmore did so in 2005. In this years' county SFC, prior to the first game there was around 6-8 teams that you could say had a reasonable chance of claiming honours in the end, Trillick being one of them. However, the last of these winners that came close to provincial success was Omagh when they were defeated by Slaughtneil in the final.

Is it an advantage to be a "big fish in a small pond" thus being regular participants in the Ulster club? I'd say usually it does - but it doesn't always be, Cavan Gaels were dominating Cavan not too long ago but struggled to translate their county dominance in Ulster.

The fact is that Tyrone's representatives in the Ulster Club SFC have in general not been good enough when it has come to the crunch, only Errigal Ciaran have proven themselves at that level. No amount of sugar coating, some threadbare excuses or ridiculous suggestions that winning the Tyrone SFC is harder than the Ulster Club SFC can argue with historical competition results.

Having said that, I do think Trillick have a half decent shot this year. Never a bunch to lack self-confidence, they'll look forward to playing Derrygonnelly. Given how many from Trillick work or be educated in Enniskillen, both sides will know quite a few players in opposition and Trillick will get a rare chance to play a Fermanagh club in a competitive match. Brewster Park should be buzzing on Sunday week.

Tyrone clubs generally compete fairly well regardless of who goes forward, they are very rarely given a big beating and usually pick up a few wins along the way. The fact is Tyrone have probably 5 or 6 clubs who can come out of the county championship and give a good account of themselves along the way, I don't think another county in Ulster can say the same. I think when you are regularly winning your county title, then you are looking beyond that and are tailoring your plans for a tilt at Ulster.

None of the above excuses Tyrone's poor record in the Ulster Club SFC. Giving "a good account of themselves" doesn't end up showing on the roll of honour for the competition over the past 50 years. Winning games is what matters.

Worth mentioning that Errigal Ciaran won their first Ulster club title (and any for a Tyrone club) in 1993 having won their first ever county title. Indeed when talking about no team retaining the county title since 2005, between 1993 and 2005, Errigal Ciaran and Carrickmore won 11 of the 13 county championships between them (Ardboe won in 98 and Killyclogher in 2003) and while Errigal picked up another provincial title in 2002, Carrickmore failed to capitalise much once they went outside the county.

The Tyrone SFC is indeed a very competitive competition, probably one of the most in Ulster if not all of Ireland. Let alone simply retaining the championship, the last time a three-in-a-row was achieved was 40 years ago and no club has done four-in-a-row or better. But you can have a very competitive Intermediate Reserve or Junior Reserve championship some years in Tyrone but that doesn't mean that the overall standard in those competitions is very high.

The records in the competition speaks for itself. There is no point in claiming that Tyrone teams and clubs are somehow naturally better, but when there is some evidence to the contrary, all sorts of contortions for excuses are made.

Exactly - on the whole Tyrone are the best in Ulster but their club teams don't reflect that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 02:01:29 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 24, 2019, 02:13:37 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.

Is Cross an exception to your rather loose rule?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: general_lee on October 24, 2019, 02:14:38 PM
Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 02:17:13 PM
Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree

Quality team at that. But then if you look at the Ulster and All-Ireland club titles. There must be some sort of correlation?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 02:19:22 PM
Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree
Really theres only one team in the senior championship until they have an odd hick up and they are straight back the following year
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 24, 2019, 02:22:00 PM
Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree

Why do other side's fear Cross so much? Never got my head around it. I remember once a Cullyhana man telling me he was going to Croker to support Cross. Ye wouldn't get that in Derry 😅
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Correct, some teams that come out of Tyrone aren't good enough. This is because the best team doesn't win it every year like what happens in every other county

Excellent point, thats the truth. For a prime example look at this years winners.

What ???- the best team doesn't win the championship???
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 02:25:53 PM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Correct, some teams that come out of Tyrone aren't good enough. This is because the best team doesn't win it every year like what happens in every other county

Excellent point, thats the truth. For a prime example look at this years winners.

What ???- the best team doesn't win the championship???

Correct, nice of you to finally catch up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on October 24, 2019, 02:26:25 PM
Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree

A bit disrespectful there. Cullyhanna did, and Maghery did twice, in recent years.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.


Errrr...Derry championship final was last week-end.  Tyrone's club final was the week before.

More waffle.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 02:29:49 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.


Errrr...Derry championship final was last week-end.  Tyrone's club final was the week before.

More waffle.

And how long ago was Derry out of the championship? All that free time to train with there clubs, to work on, employ and prefect systemss and/or styles of play.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: general_lee on October 24, 2019, 02:32:43 PM
Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree

Why do other side's fear Cross so much? Never got my head around it. I remember once a Cullyhana man telling me he was going to Croker to support Cross. Ye wouldn't get that in Derry 😅
Well the thing about cross is they have quite a substantial ďcatchment areaĒ for want of a better term  ;)

 in all seriousness though they get plenty of well wishers in the county especially on the all Ireland stage. Iím not sure why other clubs fear them, maghery for example donít exactly fear them, they just donít have the tools (imo) to beat them again at championship level. Ballymacnab on the other hand are good enough but just lack the know how, killer instinct, cuteness, whatever it is, to get them over the line. Likewise Armagh Harps, and Cullyhanna, are probably good enough, but need a lot to go in their favour for it to happen in the next couple of years. Ironically Sarsfieldís who are relegated to intermediate football have given cross their ďclosestĒ championship match, getting to within 4 points of them  ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 02:36:00 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.


Errrr...Derry championship final was last week-end.  Tyrone's club final was the week before.

More waffle.

And how long ago was Derry out of the championship? All that free time to train with there clubs, to work on, employ and prefect systemss and/or styles of play.

There was no meaningful football in Derry for about 2 months.

Tyrone, at senior club level not good enough - simple as.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 02:42:06 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.


Errrr...Derry championship final was last week-end.  Tyrone's club final was the week before.

More waffle.

And how long ago was Derry out of the championship? All that free time to train with there clubs, to work on, employ and prefect systemss and/or styles of play.

There was no meaningful football in Derry for about 2 months.

Tyrone, at senior club level not good enough - simple as.
Tyrone club football is shut down for about 6 weeks also
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2019, 02:43:48 PM
Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree

A bit disrespectful there. Cullyhanna did, and Maghery did twice, in recent years.

Taking us on and beating us is 2 different things. 3 times in 24 years. Iíd say we will win at least 7 of the next 10 also.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 02:47:36 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.


Errrr...Derry championship final was last week-end.  Tyrone's club final was the week before.

More waffle.

And how long ago was Derry out of the championship? All that free time to train with there clubs, to work on, employ and prefect systemss and/or styles of play.

There was no meaningful football in Derry for about 2 months.

Tyrone, at senior club level not good enough - simple as.
Tyrone club football is shut down for about 6 weeks also

So? No excuses. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 02:53:37 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.


Errrr...Derry championship final was last week-end.  Tyrone's club final was the week before.

More waffle.

And how long ago was Derry out of the championship? All that free time to train with there clubs, to work on, employ and prefect systemss and/or styles of play.

There was no meaningful football in Derry for about 2 months.

Tyrone, at senior club level not good enough - simple as.
Tyrone club football is shut down for about 6 weeks also

So? No excuses.
Shur down for 6/8 weeks, Tyrone are beat and you get a league game the following weekend and straight into championship
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 02:57:18 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.


Errrr...Derry championship final was last week-end.  Tyrone's club final was the week before.

More waffle.

And how long ago was Derry out of the championship? All that free time to train with there clubs, to work on, employ and prefect systemss and/or styles of play.

There was no meaningful football in Derry for about 2 months.

Tyrone, at senior club level not good enough - simple as.
Tyrone club football is shut down for about 6 weeks also

So? No excuses.
Shur down for 6/8 weeks, Tyrone are beat and you get a league game the following weekend and straight into championship

So no Tyrone club teams are allowed to train or play chsllenge matches for 2 months?

Stop looking for excuses - as I say, county football takes priorty in Tyrone.  Clubs need an uprising!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 03:05:54 PM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.
Thats wrong too, a lot of people in Tyrone don't follow the county and would rather the club games continued rather than a stop for county games

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.


Errrr...Derry championship final was last week-end.  Tyrone's club final was the week before.

More waffle.

And how long ago was Derry out of the championship? All that free time to train with there clubs, to work on, employ and prefect systemss and/or styles of play.

There was no meaningful football in Derry for about 2 months.

Tyrone, at senior club level not good enough - simple as.
Tyrone club football is shut down for about 6 weeks also

So? No excuses.
Shur down for 6/8 weeks, Tyrone are beat and you get a league game the following weekend and straight into championship

So no Tyrone club teams are allowed to train or play chsllenge matches for 2 months?

Stop looking for excuses - as I say, county football takes priorty in Tyrone.  Clubs need an uprising!!
Priority to the county board yes, they dont give a shit until the county scene is finished
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 24, 2019, 03:23:11 PM
Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree

A bit disrespectful there. Cullyhanna did, and Maghery did twice, in recent years.

Taking us on and beating us is 2 different things. 3 times in 24 years. Iíd say we will win at least 7 of the next 10 also.

Only 7, are you not turning up for the other three?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Estimator on October 24, 2019, 03:25:38 PM

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.

So what is the excuse for prior to 2003?
You do realise the Ulster Senior Club Championship has been going since 1968
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 03:27:50 PM
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So no Tyrone club teams are allowed to train or play chsllenge matches for 2 months?

Stop looking for excuses - as I say, county football takes priorty in Tyrone.  Clubs need an uprising!!

Literally is exactly what im saying. Country players arent allowed near the clubs.

And i cut down the who previous conversation, was an eye sore scrolling down all the time.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 24, 2019, 03:29:03 PM

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.

So what is the excuse for prior to 2003?
You do realise the Ulster Senior Club Championship has been going since 1968

Football was invented in 2003 - would you please keep up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 24, 2019, 03:29:59 PM
Quote
So no Tyrone club teams are allowed to train or play chsllenge matches for 2 months?

Stop looking for excuses - as I say, county football takes priorty in Tyrone.  Clubs need an uprising!!

Literally is exactly what im saying. Country players arent allowed near the clubs.

And i cut down the who previous conversation, was an eye sore scrolling down all the time.

Sure Tyrone county players aren't great what would they add.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 03:30:27 PM

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.

So what is the excuse for prior to 2003?
You do realise the Ulster Senior Club Championship has been going since 1968

Football was invented in 2003 - would you please keep up.
Exactly, Peter Canavan invented football
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2019, 03:37:24 PM

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.

So what is the excuse for prior to 2003?
You do realise the Ulster Senior Club Championship has been going since 1968

Football was invented in 2003 - would you please keep up.
Exactly, Peter Canavan invented football

Surely he did that in 1995 when he was Tyrone football on his own?

Tyrone undoubtedly has the best club football in Ulster across Senior, Inter and Junior. Highly competitive across all three grades. Iíd much prefer a club scene  like Tyrone than what we currently have in Armagh - a senior championship dominated by one club with no other club that has the balls to take them on, an intermediate championship that is at best mediocre standard and a junior championship where half the teams in it wouldnít win a match against most clubs reserve teams let alone a division 2 Donegal club on the Ulster stage. Iíd go out on a limb here and say Armagh probably has the worst championship in Ulster in terms of set up, standard, competitiveness, and excitement. Iíd say most people in Armagh would agree

A bit disrespectful there. Cullyhanna did, and Maghery did twice, in recent years.

Taking us on and beating us is 2 different things. 3 times in 24 years. Iíd say we will win at least 7 of the next 10 also.

Only 7, are you not turning up for the other three?

Nah....take a wee holiday every so often!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: armaghniac on October 24, 2019, 03:41:39 PM
Quote
So no Tyrone club teams are allowed to train or play chsllenge matches for 2 months?

Stop looking for excuses - as I say, county football takes priorty in Tyrone.  Clubs need an uprising!!

Literally is exactly what im saying. Country players arent allowed near the clubs.

And i cut down the who previous conversation, was an eye sore scrolling down all the time.

Sure Tyrone county players aren't great what would they add.

Dirt?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 03:44:03 PM
Quote
So no Tyrone club teams are allowed to train or play chsllenge matches for 2 months?

Stop looking for excuses - as I say, county football takes priorty in Tyrone.  Clubs need an uprising!!

Literally is exactly what im saying. Country players arent allowed near the clubs.

And i cut down the who previous conversation, was an eye sore scrolling down all the time.

Sure Tyrone county players aren't great what would they add.

Dirt?

Nothing, just good for team morale and team spirit.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2019, 03:55:09 PM
With the best footballers in the county joining the best club teams in Ulster and possibly Ireland (as someone mentioned  :D ) surely ta f**k they'd have a better record of winning senior? Or do they just save themselves for the junior and internediate championships and a run out at Croker?

I'm not buying it. I'l take that Tyrone is a competitive championship that's fine, some one mentioned the best championship, thats bollocks as it would follow on through to Ulster (you can't be the best for 4 games and forget how to play in the next 3, or one in most of Tyrone's appearances) Not having your county players available is more crap..

As someone mentioned the Ulster club has been up and running for years!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 04:02:25 PM
With the best footballers in the county joining the best club teams in Ulster and possibly Ireland (as someone mentioned  :D ) surely ta f**k they'd have a better record of winning senior? Or do they just save themselves for the junior and internediate championships and a run out at Croker?

I'm not buying it. I'l take that Tyrone is a competitive championship that's fine, some one mentioned the best championship, thats bollocks as it would follow on through to Ulster (you can't be the best for 4 games and forget how to play in the next 3, or one in most of Tyrone's appearances) Not having your county players available is more crap..

As someone mentioned the Ulster club has been up and running for years!
We wont listen to this crap from a man who hasn't kicked a ball before. Trillick arent the best in Tyrone, but they will do well in Ulster the year. MDx
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 04:03:11 PM
With the best footballers in the county joining the best club teams in Ulster and possibly Ireland (as someone mentioned  :D ) surely ta f**k they'd have a better record of winning senior? Or do they just save themselves for the junior and internediate championships and a run out at Croker?

I'm not buying it. I'l take that Tyrone is a competitive championship that's fine, some one mentioned the best championship, thats bollocks as it would follow on through to Ulster (you can't be the best for 4 games and forget how to play in the next 3, or one in most of Tyrone's appearances) Not having your county players available is more crap..

As someone mentioned the Ulster club has been up and running for years!

Put it like this, before Tyrone ever won an All ireland a tyrone club one ulster twice. Since Tyrone won the all irelands a Tyrone team hasnt won it.

County players cant play most of league games and definitely arent allowed to play friendlies when league games are postponed due to the county team.

I just think you cant face it that the Tyrone championship is one of the best, if not the best in the country:)
Far too difficult to continually get out of Tyrone.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 24, 2019, 04:10:43 PM
You won it twice in 34 years then you haven't won it in 17 years so obviously it's since the county team became successful.

Though by that maths you are due one as it's 17 years on from the last one!

Honestly this is a case of trying to rationalise anything. Tyrone football on the whole is stronger - we get that - but their best club teams are not as good as the best in other ulster counties. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: square_ball on October 24, 2019, 04:10:57 PM
County players play in all but 5 started league games. The Tyrone record is poor but it usually takes a good team to beat the Tyrone champions. Slaughtneil, Cross, Ballinderry over the years have just been better.

The argument over whether itís the best club championship in the whole wide world. Who cares? Itís highly competitive, usually good quality and enjoyable autumn viewing for the neutral.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2019, 04:30:23 PM
This is a great annual debate....like the old Ďwhoís the second best team in Armagh?í debate that raged for years till everyone realised it made no odds as we were just the best. Tyrone clubs are kinda like halfway houses between intermediate and senior. Not quite good enough to be senior but too strong for provincial intermediate. On a cumulative basis for junior intermediate and senior though Derry 1st, Armagh and Monaghan joint second and then Tyrone.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2019, 05:23:56 PM
This is a great annual debate....like the old Ďwhoís the second best team in Armagh?í debate that raged for years till everyone realised it made no odds as we were just the best. Tyrone clubs are kinda like halfway houses between intermediate and senior. Not quite good enough to be senior but too strong for provincial intermediate. On a cumulative basis for junior intermediate and senior though Derry 1st, Armagh and Monaghan joint second and then Tyrone. St Galls

Fixed that  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 05:28:12 PM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Correct, some teams that come out of Tyrone aren't good enough. This is because the best team doesn't win it every year like what happens in every other county

Excellent point, thats the truth. For a prime example look at this years winners.

What ???- the best team doesn't win the championship???

Correct, nice of you to finally catch up.

Explain to me how the "best" team doesn't win the chsmpionship?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Correct, some teams that come out of Tyrone aren't good enough. This is because the best team doesn't win it every year like what happens in every other county

Excellent point, thats the truth. For a prime example look at this years winners.

What ???- the best team doesn't win the championship???

Correct, nice of you to finally catch up.

The only people that need to catch up is...senior Tyrone clubs on Ulster's Roll of Honour!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 24, 2019, 06:19:52 PM
If anyone is reading this that works for BT Openreach, Talk Talk, Sky, Vodafone etc...

Any chance you could "accidentaly" disconnect Coalisland from the internet for a few days?

Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 25, 2019, 08:30:42 AM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Correct, some teams that come out of Tyrone aren't good enough. This is because the best team doesn't win it every year like what happens in every other county

Excellent point, thats the truth. For a prime example look at this years winners.

What ???- the best team doesn't win the championship???

Correct, nice of you to finally catch up.

Explain to me how the "best" team doesn't win the chsmpionship?
Because the championship is too open, whens the last time a tyrone team won the championship and the league in the same year?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 09:28:24 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.

How do they get found out? If you look back at things since I think 2004 or 2005, only 5 clubs have won Ulster titles and with the exception of Gweedore, all those winners dominated their county title for a number of years and quite comfortably put together back to back titles. Kilcoo and Scotstown also came very close to winning Ulster titles but fell marginally short, they too dominated their county Championships.

As I said there is no super club in Tyrone but we easily have 6 or 7 clubs who won't look out of place at provincial level. It's not as if Tyrone clubs are falling at the first hurdle every year.

Ulster looks a bit more open this year without the likes of regular kingpins like Scotstown and Slaughtneil.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
There's also no backdoor in the Tyrone Championship, so you don't get any second chance from an off day like you do in other county championships.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on October 25, 2019, 09:38:32 AM
In the last 20 years 8 different Derry clubs have won the Senior championship, how many different Tyrone clubs have won their SFC in that time?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 25, 2019, 09:40:30 AM
There's also no backdoor in the Tyrone Championship, so you don't get any second chance from an off day like you do in other county championships.

When the big teams in the counties face a shock defeat, they get another chance. Slaughtneil made use of this a few years ago, but in fairness it was a defeat in a group game, although technically it was still the championship. In Tyrone, once your gone your gone, proper knockout football.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on October 25, 2019, 09:48:14 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.

How do they get found out? If you look back at things since I think 2004 or 2005, only 5 clubs have won Ulster titles and with the exception of Gweedore, all those winners dominated their county title for a number of years and quite comfortably put together back to back titles. Kilcoo and Scotstown also came very close to winning Ulster titles but fell marginally short, they too dominated their county Championships.

As I said there is no super club in Tyrone but we easily have 6 or 7 clubs who won't look out of place at provincial level. It's not as if Tyrone clubs are falling at the first hurdle every year.

Ulster looks a bit more open this year without the likes of regular kingpins like Scotstown and Slaughtneil.
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 25, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.

How do they get found out? If you look back at things since I think 2004 or 2005, only 5 clubs have won Ulster titles and with the exception of Gweedore, all those winners dominated their county title for a number of years and quite comfortably put together back to back titles. Kilcoo and Scotstown also came very close to winning Ulster titles but fell marginally short, they too dominated their county Championships.

As I said there is no super club in Tyrone but we easily have 6 or 7 clubs who won't look out of place at provincial level. It's not as if Tyrone clubs are falling at the first hurdle every year.

Ulster looks a bit more open this year without the likes of regular kingpins like Scotstown and Slaughtneil.
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 25, 2019, 09:51:22 AM
In the last 20 years 8 different Derry clubs have won the Senior championship, how many different Tyrone clubs have won their SFC in that time?

Same, 8.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: the_daddy on October 25, 2019, 09:52:28 AM
In the last 20 years 8 different Derry clubs have won the Senior championship, how many different Tyrone clubs have won their SFC in that time?

I make it 7 in the last 20 but since you want to measure the size of lads, it's 8 in the last 14 years or 9 in the last 21 with 1 back to back in that entire period.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 25, 2019, 09:53:02 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.

How do they get found out? If you look back at things since I think 2004 or 2005, only 5 clubs have won Ulster titles and with the exception of Gweedore, all those winners dominated their county title for a number of years and quite comfortably put together back to back titles. Kilcoo and Scotstown also came very close to winning Ulster titles but fell marginally short, they too dominated their county Championships.

As I said there is no super club in Tyrone but we easily have 6 or 7 clubs who won't look out of place at provincial level. It's not as if Tyrone clubs are falling at the first hurdle every year.

Ulster looks a bit more open this year without the likes of regular kingpins like Scotstown and Slaughtneil.
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

They strolled back then, once again thats why they had so much ulster success.
That in bold is pure fabrication.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 25, 2019, 09:54:16 AM
In the last 20 years 8 different Derry clubs have won the Senior championship, how many different Tyrone clubs have won their SFC in that time?

I make it 7 in the last 20 but since you want to measure the size of lads, it's 8 in the last 14 years or 9 in the last 21 with 1 back to back in that entire period.

I had 8?

Omagh Trillick, KC, Clonoe, Dromore, E.C, Carrickmore, Coalisland?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: the_daddy on October 25, 2019, 09:57:00 AM
In the last 20 years 8 different Derry clubs have won the Senior championship, how many different Tyrone clubs have won their SFC in that time?

I make it 7 in the last 20 but since you want to measure the size of lads, it's 8 in the last 14 years or 9 in the last 21 with 1 back to back in that entire period.

I had 8?

Omagh Trillick, KC, Clonoe, Dromore, E.C, Carrickmore, Coalisland?

Yes, 8 in Tyrone and 7 in Derry - Magherafelt, Coleraine, Slaughtneil, Ballinderry, Loup, Glenullin, Bellaghy.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on October 25, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.

How do they get found out? If you look back at things since I think 2004 or 2005, only 5 clubs have won Ulster titles and with the exception of Gweedore, all those winners dominated their county title for a number of years and quite comfortably put together back to back titles. Kilcoo and Scotstown also came very close to winning Ulster titles but fell marginally short, they too dominated their county Championships.

As I said there is no super club in Tyrone but we easily have 6 or 7 clubs who won't look out of place at provincial level. It's not as if Tyrone clubs are falling at the first hurdle every year.

Ulster looks a bit more open this year without the likes of regular kingpins like Scotstown and Slaughtneil.
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it
I was at games where they did well to get over the line. The likes of B'derry and M'felt put it up to them. But i'll wise up because you said so.
It would be my opinion that the top 10 or so clubs in Derry would be stronger than the equivalent clubs in Tyrone, after that Tyrone would be a good bit stronger.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 25, 2019, 10:04:43 AM
In the last 20 years 8 different Derry clubs have won the Senior championship, how many different Tyrone clubs have won their SFC in that time?

I make it 7 in the last 20 but since you want to measure the size of lads, it's 8 in the last 14 years or 9 in the last 21 with 1 back to back in that entire period.

I had 8?

Omagh Trillick, KC, Clonoe, Dromore, E.C, Carrickmore, Coalisland?

Yes, 8 in Tyrone and 7 in Derry - Magherafelt, Coleraine, Slaughtneil, Ballinderry, Loup, Glenullin, Bellaghy.

However, in the last 9 years only 4 teams have won it in Derry. In tyrone 7 teams have won it in the last 9.
Not saying Derry football is a different quality, but im saying Tyrone is more competitive in the last 9 years.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on October 25, 2019, 10:10:29 AM
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.

How do they get found out? If you look back at things since I think 2004 or 2005, only 5 clubs have won Ulster titles and with the exception of Gweedore, all those winners dominated their county title for a number of years and quite comfortably put together back to back titles. Kilcoo and Scotstown also came very close to winning Ulster titles but fell marginally short, they too dominated their county Championships.

As I said there is no super club in Tyrone but we easily have 6 or 7 clubs who won't look out of place at provincial level. It's not as if Tyrone clubs are falling at the first hurdle every year.

Ulster looks a bit more open this year without the likes of regular kingpins like Scotstown and Slaughtneil.
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

They strolled back then, once again thats why they had so much ulster success.
That in bold is pure fabrication.
Not senior obviously, but I checked out the winners in the St. Paul's Minour Tournament in Belfast.
At the top:
Derry - 16 winners
Tyrone - 4 winners
Antrim - 3 winners
Armagh - 3 winners
Donegal - 3 winners
Fermanagh - 2 winners
Cavan - 1 winner
Monaghan - 1 winner

Tyrone have serious underage talent but getting into Ulster club, whatever age group, they, for whatever reason, don't do it.

Tyrone is a meritocracy, there is no super club, it's highly competitive, we have by far the best success rate in junior and intermediate in the past decade and you have a case like Trillick a few years back who lost an intermediate final and won the senior championship the subsequent season and narrowly lost out to Scotstown in Ulster.

There are 6 or 7 senior clubs who would go into the Ulster Championship and be more than capable of holding their own, I don't think any other county in Ulster would be capable of that now.
I think the top 6 or 7 in Derry are stronger than the top 6 or 7 in Tyrone.
Not a chance
Any logic to go with that? Derry have been much more successful in any possible Ulster competition. Ulster club championship speaks for itself. Even the pre-season Ulster league has been won by Derry teams more than any other county. Tyrone folk seem to think their club sides are much stronger at senior level than they are.

Tyrone people are delusional about the quality of their championship - when they go into Ulster, they are found out. It's competitive as they are 4 or 5 teams at the same level but that's different re: quality of team.

5 or 6 different teams have won Cavan championship this past 10 years -doesn't mean they're brill as when in Ulster club championship, they don't succeed.

My take on it is Tyrone people are more county based - they love the county football.

How do they get found out? If you look back at things since I think 2004 or 2005, only 5 clubs have won Ulster titles and with the exception of Gweedore, all those winners dominated their county title for a number of years and quite comfortably put together back to back titles. Kilcoo and Scotstown also came very close to winning Ulster titles but fell marginally short, they too dominated their county Championships.

As I said there is no super club in Tyrone but we easily have 6 or 7 clubs who won't look out of place at provincial level. It's not as if Tyrone clubs are falling at the first hurdle every year.

Ulster looks a bit more open this year without the likes of regular kingpins like Scotstown and Slaughtneil.
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

They strolled back then, once again thats why they had so much ulster success.
That in bold is pure fabrication.
Slaughtneil beat Cavan Gaels by 8 points in an Ulster final. They beat Killyclogher by 6 in an Ulster Semi Final. You think they are tougher games than a draw against Magherafelt where they needed a late equalizer in added time?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 25, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Iíve been lucky as Iíve been able to play in and watch games year on year for the last 25 odd years in the Ulster club. Without fear of contradiction the hardest games were always against Derry teams, Bellaghy, Ballinderry and Slaughtneil were consistently at a very high level. EC has a single team that stood out as did St Galls from Antrim and Enniskillen Gaels. Kilcoo are a step below these teams as are Scotstown. Outside of that teams are much of a muchness. Tyrone is not the best championship in terms of overall quality, Derry has been. If fact I would say we had harder games against a number of Armagh teams than we had against most Tyrone teams. Outside of EC I would never have had concerns about a Tyrone team and it was purely because of Peter Canavan as he was simply exceptional. Take him out of EC and they were another bog average Tyrone team.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 10:19:13 AM
There's also no backdoor in the Tyrone Championship, so you don't get any second chance from an off day like you do in other county championships.

No backdoor in Antrim, but carry on looking for excuses
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 25, 2019, 10:34:44 AM
There's also no backdoor in the Tyrone Championship, so you don't get any second chance from an off day like you do in other county championships.

No backdoor in Antrim, but carry on looking for excuses

None in Fermanagh either, and Derry's was played on a straight knockout this year as well (not sure when they reverted back to it).
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 10:51:22 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 11:02:09 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 25, 2019, 11:04:02 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

But nothing counts prior to 2003, that's a well known fact.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 11:11:51 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: cornerback on October 25, 2019, 11:18:13 AM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 11:22:01 AM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 25, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.

Pearse Og were the width of a post away from beating St Galls who then went on to win it.

Kilcoo should really have won it by now but I think that ship has sailed.

Cavan Gaels were a decent side for a few years there but have slid now.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 11:26:24 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.

Pearse Og were the width of a post away from beating St Galls who then went on to win it.

Kilcoo should really have won it by now but I think that ship has sailed.

Cavan Gaels were a decent side for a few years there but have slid now.

Pearse Og is more than a decade ago now. The fact is Cross were preparing for Ulster every season, Armagh club football is extremely poor outside of them.

The point being made is that if you swapped any of the top 5 or 6 club sides in Tyrone with the dominant sides in Down, Derry, Monaghan, Armagh etc, I'd have no doubt that they'd be able to put together back to back titles which they struggle to in Tyrone. Conversely I also believe that the likes of Scotstown, Kilcoo, Cross, Slaughtneil etc wouldn't have a hope of dominating Tyrone like they do their own counties.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 25, 2019, 11:28:09 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.

Armagh Harps were beaten by Derrygonnelly Harps, whom then were beaten by Cavan Gaels.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: cornerback on October 25, 2019, 11:32:10 AM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 11:33:35 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.

Armagh Harps were beaten by Derrygonnelly Harps, whom then were beaten by Cavan Gaels.

Either way, it's not a good look for Armagh club football as Fermanagh clubs have a very, very poor record in this decade.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 25, 2019, 11:38:09 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.

Armagh Harps were beaten by Derrygonnelly Harps, whom then were beaten by Cavan Gaels.

Either way, it's not a good look for Armagh club football as Fermanagh clubs have a very, very poor record in this decade.

Yeah either way, truth, facts blah blah, Tyrone greatest club championship in Ulster!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult itís to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

Youíre excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadnít been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadnít wonít a county championship in a while The Loup!

Youíre arguments are poor
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 25, 2019, 11:41:40 AM
Meanwhile, in an undisclosed location a few miles from the Tyrone loughshore...


Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 25, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.

Armagh Harps were beaten by Derrygonnelly Harps, whom then were beaten by Cavan Gaels.

Either way, it's not a good look for Armagh club football as Fermanagh clubs have a very, very poor record in this decade.

Yeah either way, truth, facts blah blah, Tyrone greatest club championship in Ulster!!!

WELL, WHATCHA THINK OF THATTTTTTTTTT!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 11:45:54 AM
Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult itís to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

Youíre excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadnít been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadnít wonít a county championship in a while The Loup!

Youíre arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 25, 2019, 11:53:20 AM
The Derry championship was massively competitive for years and multiple teams won there too. Yes St Galls had it easy enough in antrim for years and cross but sure Slaughtneil would have won ulster two years ago and then Coleraine and now Glen beat them this year who didn't even go on to win it. I doubt Slaughtneil have dropped standardsl that much. It wasn't like Slaughtneil were preparing for Ulster and then they had the hurling too. Scotstown have had big challenges from Clontibret when they were good too.

You could argue what you say for Kilcoo having a pass but they haven't been able to win it and neither have Cavan Gaels who were dominant for years in Cavan so that doesn't stack up either. Basically what you say doesn't stack up. At all.

Cross have had great sides. They dominated Armagh but also Ulster and at all ireland stage. They didn't get a pass to the all irelands when they were playing in ulster.

I am not even sure what your point is any more lol. What is your point? Tyrone sides are as good as anywhere but they don't compete because their championship is too competitive - is that your point?

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 12:05:04 PM
The Derry championship was massively competitive for years and multiple teams won there too. Yes St Galls had it easy enough in antrim for years and cross but sure Slaughtneil would have won ulster two years ago and then Coleraine and now Glen beat them this year who didn't even go on to win it. I doubt Slaughtneil have dropped standardsl that much. It wasn't like Slaughtneil were preparing for Ulster and then they had the hurling too. Scotstown have had big challenges from Clontibret when they were good too.

You could argue what you say for Kilcoo having a pass but they haven't been able to win it and neither have Cavan Gaels who were dominant for years in Cavan so that doesn't stack up either. Basically what you say doesn't stack up. At all.

Cross have had great sides. They dominated Armagh but also Ulster and at all ireland stage. They didn't get a pass to the all irelands when they were playing in ulster.

I am not even sure what your point is any more lol. What is your point? Tyrone sides are as good as anywhere but they don't compete because their championship is too competitive - is that your point?

Slaughtneil put 4 in a row together, they seem to have collapsed since Mickey Moran departed. They also would have a number of key players reaching their conclusion like Patsy Bradley and McEldowney and that kind of so close but yet so far can diminish the resolve of a team.

Cross may not have got a pass in Ulster but they certainly got one in Armagh.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 25, 2019, 12:16:15 PM
The Derry championship was massively competitive for years and multiple teams won there too. Yes St Galls had it easy enough in antrim for years and cross but sure Slaughtneil would have won ulster two years ago and then Coleraine and now Glen beat them this year who didn't even go on to win it. I doubt Slaughtneil have dropped standardsl that much. It wasn't like Slaughtneil were preparing for Ulster and then they had the hurling too. Scotstown have had big challenges from Clontibret when they were good too.

You could argue what you say for Kilcoo having a pass but they haven't been able to win it and neither have Cavan Gaels who were dominant for years in Cavan so that doesn't stack up either. Basically what you say doesn't stack up. At all.

Cross have had great sides. They dominated Armagh but also Ulster and at all ireland stage. They didn't get a pass to the all irelands when they were playing in ulster.

I am not even sure what your point is any more lol. What is your point? Tyrone sides are as good as anywhere but they don't compete because their championship is too competitive - is that your point?

Slaughtneil put 4 in a row together, they seem to have collapsed since Mickey Moran departed. They also would have a number of key players reaching their conclusion like Patsy Bradley and McEldowney and that kind of so close but yet so far can diminish the resolve of a team.

Cross may not have got a pass in Ulster but they certainly got one in Armagh.

Just so you know before we won our first Ulster in 1996 we hadnít won a county championship in 10 years.  We struggled big time to get out of Armagh for a good few years.  I know this is pre-2003 so doesnít really count. 

Also the argument of only getting county players after the county exits doesnít really hold much weight either.  We won 4 Ulsters and 3 AIs at a time when Armagh were at their peak.  At that time too the National League was split between pre and post Christmas fixtures so we had lads playing for the club in the Ulster and sometimes for the County in National League games.  To be honest we only went through a real dominance in Armagh after we lost in 2009 to Pearse Ogs.  The Tyrone senior club scene really isnít the strongest at all.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Main Street on October 25, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
Hogan's Choice -  all GAA discussions, no matter the topic, inevitability end up 'whatabout Tyrone'.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 25, 2019, 12:40:03 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 25, 2019, 12:43:35 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 25, 2019, 12:45:55 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Titles are all that counts.  Losing in a semi final by a point is like nearly getting your hole.....pointless!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 25, 2019, 12:51:57 PM
Serious superiority complex in action here.  Cross might win the majority of Armagh championships, but you can bet they donít look to winning ulster without looking past Armagh. 

Last weekendís county final Ballymacnab were 4points up early in the second half, Cross brought this back to 2.  Ballymacnab then scored a goal to leave them 5 up 10mins into the second half.  Cross in turn dominated the game and Ballymacnab soiled themselves, but up until that point the game was there for them, no easy ride for Cross. 

Angelo has provided Tyrone clubs performance in ulster and cumulatively they have only won 6 matches across 7 different teams in 9 years.  So that is a reflection on Tyrone Club teams against other county champions. 

You are arguing your opinions against facts here. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 25, 2019, 01:19:23 PM
It's like none of the evidence counts lol.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 25, 2019, 02:02:27 PM
Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult itís to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

Youíre excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadnít been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadnít wonít a county championship in a while The Loup!

Youíre arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

Or maybe Cross are that good, I'd say they would rattle Tyrone most years their pedigree in Ulster and All-Ireland proves that, they don't come out of Armagh and fall at the first hurdle in Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 25, 2019, 02:04:41 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 25, 2019, 02:10:25 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 02:15:22 PM
Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult itís to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

Youíre excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadnít been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadnít wonít a county championship in a while The Loup!

Youíre arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

Or maybe Cross are that good, I'd say they would rattle Tyrone most years their pedigree in Ulster and All-Ireland proves that, they don't come out of Armagh and fall at the first hurdle in Ulster.

I think the record of Armagh clubs against Cross and how they do the rare time they come out of Armagh as opposed to Cross doesn't make good reading. That coupled with the poor record of intermediate and junior champions at Ulster level reflects very poorly on Armagh club football.

It's like stating Munster football is of a very high standard because Kerry get parachuted into the last 8 every year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Taylor on October 25, 2019, 02:17:13 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest  :o :o
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 25, 2019, 02:19:21 PM
Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult itís to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

Youíre excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadnít been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadnít wonít a county championship in a while The Loup!

Youíre arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

Or maybe Cross are that good, I'd say they would rattle Tyrone most years their pedigree in Ulster and All-Ireland proves that, they don't come out of Armagh and fall at the first hurdle in Ulster.

I think the record of Armagh clubs against Cross and how they do the rare time they come out of Armagh as opposed to Cross doesn't make good reading
. That coupled with the poor record of intermediate and junior champions at Ulster level reflects very poorly on Armagh club football.

It's like stating Munster football is of a very high standard because Kerry get parachuted into the last 8 every year.

As opposed to the great reading Tyrone County Champions have when they get out of Tyrone?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 02:21:52 PM
Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult itís to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

Youíre excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadnít been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadnít wonít a county championship in a while The Loup!

Youíre arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

Or maybe Cross are that good, I'd say they would rattle Tyrone most years their pedigree in Ulster and All-Ireland proves that, they don't come out of Armagh and fall at the first hurdle in Ulster.

I think the record of Armagh clubs against Cross and how they do the rare time they come out of Armagh as opposed to Cross doesn't make good reading
. That coupled with the poor record of intermediate and junior champions at Ulster level reflects very poorly on Armagh club football.

It's like stating Munster football is of a very high standard because Kerry get parachuted into the last 8 every year.

As opposed to the great reading Tyrone County Champions have when they get out of Tyrone?

Yes.

It's far superior to that of Armagh clubs outside Cross.

Cross themselves have a relatively mediocre record against Tyrone sides, they lost to Errigal twice and Omagh.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2019, 02:27:58 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 25, 2019, 02:36:23 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest  :o :o

Not at all, didn't say that or even imply it.
The best team doesn't always win it, but the team that does win it is still good&worthy of it all the same.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 02:38:44 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 02:40:16 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest  :o :o

Not at all, didn't say that or even imply it.
The best team doesn't always win it, but the team that does win it is still good&worthy of it all the same.

The remedial class of gaaboard posters like Tmac just can't seem to grasp this point.

Whoever comes through in Tyrone will hold their own at this level, take Armagh for instance - whoever it is that comes through other than Cross will look a little out of place.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2019, 02:42:50 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 25, 2019, 02:45:13 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest  :o :o

Not at all, didn't say that or even imply it.
The best team doesn't always win it, but the team that does win it is still good&worthy of it all the same.

The remedial class of gaaboard posters like Tmac just can't seem to grasp this point.

Whoever comes through in Tyrone will hold their own at this level, take Armagh for instance - whoever it is that comes through other than Cross will look a little out of place.

They are highly unlikely, based on past evidence, to win though as their team won't be of a high enough standard.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 02:48:43 PM
Derrygonnelly better not turn up, especially after reading how good the Tyrone clubs are
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 25, 2019, 02:49:20 PM
To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.
Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest  :o :o

Not at all, didn't say that or even imply it.
The best team doesn't always win it, but the team that does win it is still good&worthy of it all the same.

The remedial class of gaaboard posters like Tmac just can't seem to grasp this point.

Whoever comes through in Tyrone will hold their own at this level, take Armagh for instance - whoever it is that comes through other than Cross will look a little out of place.
I agree, any of the top 7/8 could come out of Tyrone and perform well in Ulster but if Cross don't come out of Armagh and Slaughneil don't come out of Derry, the rest of their teams don't stand a chance at the minute.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 02:50:42 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe your trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

6/7? Is this based purely on your assessment or have you facts to back this up?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: StephenC on October 25, 2019, 02:56:23 PM
If someone from Donegal came on here and claimed that the reason why Donegal clubs haven't done well in Ulster is that our club championship is too strong etc. they would (correctly) be laughed out of it.

What a load of shite this thred has turned into.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on October 25, 2019, 02:58:10 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 02:59:22 PM
If someone from Donegal came on here and claimed that the reason why Donegal clubs haven't done well in Ulster is that our club championship is too strong etc. they would (correctly) be laughed out of it.

What a load of shite this thred has turned into.

Iím loving it, I never got the whole Tyrone snobbery until now, best few days reading
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 03:01:17 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.


It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2019, 03:04:51 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.



It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.
I think you're not paying any heed to the fact that "competitiveness" does not equal quality.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 03:05:07 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.


It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.

The competition started in 1968, base your facts from the start. One team from Tyrone... just one
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 03:09:01 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.



It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.
I think you're not paying any heed to the fact that "competitiveness" does not equal quality.

In Tyrone's case it does, we've had 7 different entrants at Ulster this decade and they have all been very competitive. Here's the results for you again, no double digit trimmings, the heaviest defeat was by 6 points and that was to the kingpins of Ulster club football this decade who won the Ulster club out on those years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Mullahoran by 17, beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

It's not as if Tyrone teams are getting turned over by Cavan, Fermanagh or Antrim champions or are on the receiving end of double digit drummings.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 25, 2019, 03:11:27 PM
What is your point again?

Tyrone teams don't get hammered in the ulster club?

Tyrone teams will be competitive in the ulster club?

Tyrone have more depth than anyone else?

Tyrone teams are at a disadvantage because their championship is so competitive?

All of the above? Any of the above?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 03:12:06 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.


It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.

The competition started in 1968, base your facts from the start. One team from Tyrone... just one

As I said earlier, my interest is solely on the present and recent past which is relevant to the discussion. In the 1960s, Cavan had won 37 Ulster Championships, Tyrone had 2 and Donegal had none. Times change.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 03:12:48 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.



It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.
I think you're not paying any heed to the fact that "competitiveness" does not equal quality.

In Tyrone's case it does, we've had 7 different entrants at Ulster this decade and they have all been very competitive. Here's the results for you again, no double digit trimmings, the heaviest defeat was by 6 points and that was to the kingpins of Ulster club football this decade who won the Ulster club out on those years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Mullahoran by 17, beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

It's not as if Tyrone teams are getting turned over by Cavan, Fermanagh or Antrim champions or are on the receiving end of double digit drummings.

Getting bate by 30 or by one is still bate!!! Jesus! It just means you have to try harder
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 25, 2019, 03:13:47 PM
Lads no harm but you's are only encouraging him.....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 03:14:59 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.


It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.

The competition started in 1968, base your facts from the start. One team from Tyrone... just one

As I said earlier, my interest is solely on the present and recent past which is relevant to the discussion. In the 1960s, Cavan had won 37 Ulster Championships, Tyrone had 2 and Donegal had none. Times change.

Times change and Tyrone are still rubbish at club level in Ulster and beyond. You must be 18
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 03:15:36 PM
What is your point again?

Tyrone teams don't get hammered in the ulster club?

Tyrone teams will be competitive in the ulster club?

Tyrone have more depth than anyone else?

Tyrone teams are at a disadvantage because their championship is so competitive?

All of the above? Any of the above?

Whoever comes out of Tyrone will not look out of place at this level and are capable of mixing it and going on and winning it.

There are other county championships which are processions for their champions and it certainly aids them in both building up experience and know how at this level and also in reserving their energy and tailoring their plans and focus for further on in the year.

The stats overwhelmingly support this.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 03:18:03 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.


It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.

The competition started in 1968, base your facts from the start. One team from Tyrone... just one

As I said earlier, my interest is solely on the present and recent past which is relevant to the discussion. In the 1960s, Cavan had won 37 Ulster Championships, Tyrone had 2 and Donegal had none. Times change.

Times change and Tyrone are still rubbish at club level in Ulster and beyond. You must be 18

Are they though, because two clubs have won 7 of the last 9 Ulster championships and Cross are favourites again this year to make it 8 in 10?

Does that mean every other club bar those two in Ulster are rubbish. I take it that if I'm 18 that makes you 13 - one of use has an avatar of a busty woman and it's not me.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on October 25, 2019, 03:24:04 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.


It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.

Right so 4 different clubs have won Derry in 10 years. That's a much better ratio than 8 clubs in 20 years right enough. Derry teams have been Ulster champions 4 times in that period. Your a clown.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 03:33:34 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.


It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.

Ballinderry, Coleraine and Slaughtneil have won 9 of the 10 Derry titles in this decade.

That doesn't say much for competition in this decade.

It looks like you are being completely subjective here and not paying any heed to the facts.

Right so 4 different clubs have won Derry in 10 years. That's a much better ratio than 8 clubs in 20 years right enough. Derry teams have been Ulster champions 4 times in that period. Your a clown.

Well Slaughtneil have 3 of them, Ballinderry got there on their 3rd attempt in succession.

Slaughtneil and Cross have been the dominant sides this decade, as for the rest - not a whole pile in them. The difference is that it seems to be the same clubs nearly every year coming out of those counties while Tyrone have produced 7 different winners who have all looked good enough at Ulster level. Just look at the fall off of Armagh clubs when it's not Cross representing them, this will also be their 8 attempt at an Ulster this decade, Slaughtneil had 4, Ballinderry had 3, this will be Kilcoo's 7th, Scotstown had 5. No Tyrone club has had more than 2 cracks at Ulster this decade.

I agree that Cross and Slaughtneil have been the two best clubs in Ulster in the past decade, I think it's quite clear that beyond them, there doesn't seem to be a whole pile else.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 25, 2019, 04:24:04 PM
If someone from Donegal came on here and claimed that the reason why Donegal clubs haven't done well in Ulster is that our club championship is too strong etc. they would (correctly) be laughed out of it.

What a load of shite this thred has turned into.

I feel sorry for the genuine Tyrone posters on here whom have fell away since the kids were allowed to register.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 25, 2019, 04:41:34 PM
This thread is starting to convince me that the eastern quarter of Tyrone should be broken off and made a 10th county in Ulster for GAA purposes. They can then hold their own club championship to qualify for Ulster and potentially give their club representatives an easier path towards qualifying for it instead of having to suffer being brutally mentally and physically scarred in an otherwise All-Tyrone championship war that leaves the victors with no energy or wits to compete against otherwise inferior champions from all other Ulster counties. The rest of Tyrone can then disassociate themselves from their former brethern and not have to take renders on a semi regular basis thanks to them.

Either that, or this has been O'Neill's greatest bit of performance artistry on here yet.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 25, 2019, 04:45:28 PM
This thread is starting to convince me that the eastern quarter of Tyrone should be broken off and made a 10th county in Ulster for GAA purposes. They can then hold their own club championship to qualify for Ulster and potentially give their club representatives an easier path towards qualifying for it instead of having to suffer being brutally mentally and physically scarred in an otherwise All-Tyrone championship war that leaves the victors with no energy or wits to compete against otherwise inferior champions from all other Ulster counties. The rest of Tyrone can then disassociate themselves from their former brethern and not have to take renders on a semi regular basis thanks to them.

Either that, or this has been O'Neill's greatest bit of performance artistry on here yet.
Fintona, would you ever give it a rest, your club would be on the brink of division 4 football in Tyrone (if it existed) so you'll never have to worry about ulster campaigns..
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 25, 2019, 04:48:25 PM
This thread is starting to convince me that the eastern quarter of Tyrone should be broken off and made a 10th county in Ulster for GAA purposes. They can then hold their own club championship to qualify for Ulster and potentially give their club representatives an easier path towards qualifying for it instead of having to suffer being brutally mentally and physically scarred in an otherwise All-Tyrone championship war that leaves the victors with no energy or wits to compete against otherwise inferior champions from all other Ulster counties. The rest of Tyrone can then disassociate themselves from their former brethern and not have to take renders on a semi regular basis thanks to them.

Either that, or this has been O'Neill's greatest bit of performance artistry on here yet.
Fintona, would you ever give it a rest, your club would be on the brink of division 4 football in Tyrone (if it existed) so you'll never have to worry about ulster campaigns..

a few years ago they hired a Trillick man to keep them safe in Div 3
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 25, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
This thread is starting to convince me that the eastern quarter of Tyrone should be broken off and made a 10th county in Ulster for GAA purposes. They can then hold their own club championship to qualify for Ulster and potentially give their club representatives an easier path towards qualifying for it instead of having to suffer being brutally mentally and physically scarred in an otherwise All-Tyrone championship war that leaves the victors with no energy or wits to compete against otherwise inferior champions from all other Ulster counties. The rest of Tyrone can then disassociate themselves from their former brethern and not have to take renders on a semi regular basis thanks to them.

Either that, or this has been O'Neill's greatest bit of performance artistry on here yet.
Fintona, would you ever give it a rest, your club would be on the brink of division 4 football in Tyrone (if it existed) so you'll never have to worry about ulster campaigns..

Actually, with Fintona's senior fortunes being presently on a low ebb right now, if anything it means that I've no reason or vested interest to come out with excuses and bullshit concerning Tyrone's record in the Ulster club SFC. So please, carry on with how you think there are legitimate excuses for Tyrone's reps having a shocking record on the Ulster club SFC roll of honour, and less of the ad hominem crap that oddly enough (a) has nothing to do with the matter at hand, and (b) is actually supporting my otherwise frivolous point! 🤯
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 05:35:24 PM
If someone from Donegal came on here and claimed that the reason why Donegal clubs haven't done well in Ulster is that our club championship is too strong etc. they would (correctly) be laughed out of it.

What a load of shite this thred has turned into.

I feel sorry for the genuine Tyrone posters on here whom have fell away since the kids were allowed to register.

Introspection is lost on you as per usual.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2019, 06:20:33 PM
This thread is starting to convince me that the eastern quarter of Tyrone should be broken off and made a 10th county in Ulster for GAA purposes. They can then hold their own club championship to qualify for Ulster and potentially give their club representatives an easier path towards qualifying for it instead of having to suffer being brutally mentally and physically scarred in an otherwise All-Tyrone championship war that leaves the victors with no energy or wits to compete against otherwise inferior champions from all other Ulster counties. The rest of Tyrone can then disassociate themselves from their former brethern and not have to take renders on a semi regular basis thanks to them.

Either that, or this has been O'Neill's greatest bit of performance artistry on here yet.
Fintona, would you ever give it a rest, your club would be on the brink of division 4 football in Tyrone (if it existed) so you'll never have to worry about ulster campaigns..

Or have rest of Tyrone have to worry
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 25, 2019, 06:32:14 PM
Another genuine question for Angelo, do you think if Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown or Kilcoo were in the Tyrone championship they would be capable of winning it consecutively?

Can we end this waffle that the Tyrone club championship is quality and their teams are 'wrecked'  after playing in that, that they can't compete in Ulster?

Excuses!  Pure nonsense.

They get a 2 week break, at least, after they finish their county campaign so I don't know how they are burnt out.  They only play football - no hurling, so it's pure waffle.

Not good enough as their record in Ulster senior club states - end of story.
Correct, some teams that come out of Tyrone aren't good enough. This is because the best team doesn't win it every year like what happens in every other county

Excellent point, thats the truth. For a prime example look at this years winners.

What ???- the best team doesn't win the championship???

Correct, nice of you to finally catch up.

Explain to me how the "best" team doesn't win the chsmpionship?
Because the championship is too open, whens the last time a tyrone team won the championship and the league in the same year?
League and championship are 2 completely different animals. No one with any sense focuses on winning a league title and will aim to peak for championship time. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 25, 2019, 06:36:35 PM
Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

Itís rubbish! To say youíre club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.
Iíd say in fairness any team bar Cross that has won Armagh in the last 20 years has been that busy celebrating an Armagh title that they havenít even thought about an Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 25, 2019, 06:41:32 PM
The Derry championship was massively competitive for years and multiple teams won there too. Yes St Galls had it easy enough in antrim for years and cross but sure Slaughtneil would have won ulster two years ago and then Coleraine and now Glen beat them this year who didn't even go on to win it. I doubt Slaughtneil have dropped standardsl that much. It wasn't like Slaughtneil were preparing for Ulster and then they had the hurling too. Scotstown have had big challenges from Clontibret when they were good too.

You could argue what you say for Kilcoo having a pass but they haven't been able to win it and neither have Cavan Gaels who were dominant for years in Cavan so that doesn't stack up either. Basically what you say doesn't stack up. At all.

Cross have had great sides. They dominated Armagh but also Ulster and at all ireland stage. They didn't get a pass to the all irelands when they were playing in ulster.

I am not even sure what your point is any more lol. What is your point? Tyrone sides are as good as anywhere but they don't compete because their championship is too competitive - is that your point?
Cross never had it that easy in Armagh, some of the teams in the noughties would have been close to them in Armagh even when they were winning All-Irelands, even that Ballymacnab team they beat last week is strong, their forward line would cause any team trouble, but if Cross turn it on like they did in the second half last week and tighten up in the full back line theyíll win an Ulster this year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 25, 2019, 06:44:56 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
The Grange lads were still on the beer all week, whatever it is about Armagh teams they donít seem to give a shite about Ulster bar Cross.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on October 25, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
We know Tyrone teams donít have a good record in Ulster. Thatís not up for debate. Do Trillick have a chance of bucking the trend? They have some big names in their team thatís for sure.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 25, 2019, 08:08:16 PM
It seems it is up for debate despite evidence to the contrary lol. They have some good county players so you never know. Very open this year. Cross not as strong as they used to be so no standout contenders.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on October 25, 2019, 08:21:18 PM
It seems it is up for debate despite evidence to the contrary lol. They have some good county players so you never know. Very open this year. Cross not as strong as they used to be so no standout contenders.

Watched cross a few times this year. Their scoring ability is excellent. Their defence not so much. Donít know anything about other teams
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2019, 08:24:29 PM
These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.
The Grange lads were still on the beer all week, whatever it is about Armagh teams they donít seem to give a shite about Ulster bar Cross.

They don't really seem to give a shit about Armagh either.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on October 25, 2019, 09:11:52 PM
It seems it is up for debate despite evidence to the contrary lol. They have some good county players so you never know. Very open this year. Cross not as strong as they used to be so no standout contenders.

Watched cross a few times this year. Their scoring ability is excellent. Their defence not so much. Donít know anything about other teams

The two oneills look very dangerous. Clontibret have McManus who will take some watching. I would expect magherafelt still haven't sobered up. I think gweedore may not win replay in Donegal though if they do maybe hard to beat too. Hard to pick a favourite.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 26, 2019, 09:40:14 AM
If someone from Donegal came on here and claimed that the reason why Donegal clubs haven't done well in Ulster is that our club championship is too strong etc. they would (correctly) be laughed out of it.

What a load of shite this thred has turned into.

I feel sorry for the genuine Tyrone posters on here whom have fell away since the kids were allowed to register.

Introspection is lost on you as per usual.

Maybe GAA should allow Tyrone champions a place in the Ulster final each year, it's clear they deserve it being the best in Ulster, it's just beating those other inferior County Champions to get to the final appears to be the issue, talk about grandiose delusions.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: under the bar on October 27, 2019, 12:35:23 AM

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.

So what is the excuse for prior to 2003?
You do realise the Ulster Senior Club Championship has been going since 1968

Football was invented in 2003 - would you please keep up.
Exactly, Peter Canavan invented football

Not he didn't. But he probably  hammered the shit out of your lot!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 27, 2019, 12:31:04 PM

Also, Tyrone always go further than the likes of Derry, Armagh, Cavan, Down in the county scene every year. After the likes of Derry etc are knocked out early they can go back to there clubs a lot earlier and train with them, and also then nothing is holding the club championship back. Unlike in Tyrone they play to near enough the last 4 or final get beat, and a week later the club championship begins.

So what is the excuse for prior to 2003?
You do realise the Ulster Senior Club Championship has been going since 1968

Football was invented in 2003 - would you please keep up.
Exactly, Peter Canavan invented football

Not he didn't. But he probably  hammered the shit out of your lot!  ;D ;D

Are you not from Manchester. :o
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2019, 05:26:30 PM
All opened up for Cross now with Donegal going to a 2nd replay, gives the Cavan champs a great chance at toppling the Donegal champs and they'd then have to face Cross who should dispose of them pretty easily.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Itchy on October 27, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
All opened up for Cross now with Donegal going to a 2nd replay, gives the Cavan champs a great chance at toppling the Donegal champs and they'd then have to face Cross who should dispose of them pretty easily.

I'd still be surprised if Castlerahan beat the Donegal champs, even with 3 days notice.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: redzone on October 27, 2019, 08:00:01 PM
Clontibert have been in 9 of the last 14 monaghan finals, they won't fear cross. That will be massive underdogs but I could see a shock being caused next sat night. Looking forward to that game.
There has been some absolute crackers of games over the years in the ulster club
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2019, 08:44:34 PM
All opened up for Cross now with Donegal going to a 2nd replay, gives the Cavan champs a great chance at toppling the Donegal champs and they'd then have to face Cross who should dispose of them pretty easily.

I'd still be surprised if Castlerahan beat the Donegal champs, even with 3 days notice.

It's a leveller though, certainly gives them a much better chance than normal circumstances.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on October 27, 2019, 08:54:49 PM
All opened up for Cross now with Donegal going to a 2nd replay, gives the Cavan champs a great chance at toppling the Donegal champs and they'd then have to face Cross who should dispose of them pretty easily.

I'd still be surprised if Castlerahan beat the Donegal champs, even with 3 days notice.

Why Itchy?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Itchy on October 27, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
All opened up for Cross now with Donegal going to a 2nd replay, gives the Cavan champs a great chance at toppling the Donegal champs and they'd then have to face Cross who should dispose of them pretty easily.

I'd still be surprised if Castlerahan beat the Donegal champs, even with 3 days notice.

Why Itchy?

Dont think they are good enough
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: seanyb1 on October 28, 2019, 08:15:22 AM
It seems it is up for debate despite evidence to the contrary lol. They have some good county players so you never know. Very open this year. Cross not as strong as they used to be so no standout contenders.

Watched cross a few times this year. Their scoring ability is excellent. Their defence not so much. Donít know anything about other teams

The two oneills look very dangerous. Clontibret have McManus who will take some watching. I would expect magherafelt still haven't sobered up I think gweedore may not win replay in Donegal though if they do maybe hard to beat too. Hard to pick a favourite.

Speaking to a few Rossa men in work, they certainly are going to give this Ulster a go..have been back hell for leather last week. I think they'll put it up to Kilcoo, 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 28, 2019, 08:49:44 AM
Clontibert have been in 9 of the last 14 monaghan finals, they won't fear cross. That will be massive underdogs but I could see a shock being caused next sat night. Looking forward to that game.
There has been some absolute crackers of games over the years in the ulster club
Would have Cross as slight favourites, theyíre quality but still plenty of young lads still finding their feet at this level. Donít know an awful pile about Clontiberet but McManus will cause that Cross full back line serious hassle.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: redzone on October 28, 2019, 09:04:22 PM
Clontibert have been in 9 of the last 14 monaghan finals, they won't fear cross. That will be massive underdogs but I could see a shock being caused next sat night. Looking forward to that game.
There has been some absolute crackers of games over the years in the ulster club
Would have Cross as slight favourites, theyíre quality but still plenty of young lads still finding their feet at this level. Donít know an awful pile about Clontiberet but McManus will cause that Cross full back line serious hassle.
Clontibert 3/1with the bookies. Game is being streamed live on BBC sport ni
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 29, 2019, 07:01:09 AM
Clontibert have been in 9 of the last 14 monaghan finals, they won't fear cross. That will be massive underdogs but I could see a shock being caused next sat night. Looking forward to that game.
There has been some absolute crackers of games over the years in the ulster club
Would have Cross as slight favourites, theyíre quality but still plenty of young lads still finding their feet at this level. Donít know an awful pile about Clontiberet but McManus will cause that Cross full back line serious hassle.
Clontibert 3/1with the bookies. Game is being streamed live on BBC sport ni
Should be a good battle and the McEntee angle will add a bit of juice to it. Iím sure itís been posted but what time is throw in?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on October 29, 2019, 07:46:46 AM
7pm
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: toby47 on October 29, 2019, 04:48:46 PM
Any Predictions?

Crossmaglen Vs Clontibret
Derrygonnelly Vs Trillick
Kilcoo Vs Magherafelt
Castlerahan Vs Donegal Winners
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 29, 2019, 05:20:52 PM
Any Predictions?

Crossmaglen Vs Clontibret
Derrygonnelly Vs Trillick
Kilcoo Vs Magherafelt
Castlerahan Vs Donegal Winners
Cross by 3
Trillick by 5
Kilcoo by 1
Going by the Donegal lads form, have to go for a draw here.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Solo_run on October 29, 2019, 05:24:43 PM
Crossmaglen Vs Clontibret
Derrygonnelly Vs Trillick
Kilcoo Vs Magherafelt
Castlerahan Vs Donegal Winners

Clontibret by 1 point
Trillick by 4 points
Kilcoo by 6
Donegal winners
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 29, 2019, 05:45:38 PM
Crossmaglen Vs Clontibret
Derrygonnelly Vs Trillick
Kilcoo Vs Magherafelt
Castlerahan Vs Donegal Winners

Clontibret by 1 point
Trillick by 4 points
Kilcoo by 6
Donegal winners

Do you think Donegal winneres, regardless of who it is will beat the Cavan team?

After all the football they've played this past 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2019, 06:06:25 PM
Crossmaglen Vs Clontibret
Derrygonnelly Vs Trillick
Kilcoo Vs Magherafelt
Castlerahan Vs Donegal Winners

Clontibret by 1 point
Trillick by 4 points
Kilcoo by 6
Donegal winners

Do you think Donegal winneres, regardless of who it is will beat the Cavan team?

After all the football they've played this past 3 weeks.

Having witnessed a few drawn affairs lately Iíd say itís going to affect the Donegal champions, no time for niggles and prep is out the window! Itíll be a hell of a lot closer than people imagine
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on October 29, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
Cross by 7
Trillick by 4
Kilcoo by 6
Fancy Gweedore if they win Donegal but might give the edge to the Cavan Champs if it's Naomh Conaill
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 29, 2019, 08:30:38 PM
7pm
How do get this link to stream ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on October 29, 2019, 08:43:06 PM
7pm
How do get this link to stream ?
Just on BBC Sport NI website afaik.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 29, 2019, 09:31:47 PM
7pm
How do get this link to stream ?
Just on BBC Sport NI website afaik.
Thanks. No sign of any link there now. It must come up the night if the natch I presume?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ambrose on October 30, 2019, 10:58:20 AM
7pm
How do get this link to stream ?
Just on BBC Sport NI website afaik.
Thanks. No sign of any link there now. It must come up the night if the natch I presume?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/50222075?fbclid=IwAR29jIPKOwIZ3vRM5tbirq-P7RnfbCRxA6NAHeC5Owx-7WS75eIJMR7Gpzk
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 30, 2019, 12:40:02 PM
Crossmaglen Vs Clontibret - Cross by 5
Derrygonnelly Vs Trillick - Derrygonnelly by 2
Kilcoo Vs Magherafelt - Magherafelt by 1
Castlerahan Vs Donegal Winners - Donegal winners by 3
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2019, 08:56:28 PM
The Donegal final will go to a third replay if extra time canít separate them
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: charlieTully on October 30, 2019, 09:25:31 PM
Crossmaglen Vs Clontibret - Cross by 5
Derrygonnelly Vs Trillick - Derrygonnelly by 2
Kilcoo Vs Magherafelt - Magherafelt by 1
Castlerahan Vs Donegal Winners - Donegal winners by 3


Fancy a bet on kilcoo magherafelt ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on October 30, 2019, 09:45:52 PM
Noamh Conaill by 1pt.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Rudi on October 30, 2019, 09:47:48 PM
Noamh Conaill by 1pt.

13 man Gwedore and the last Glenties point wide.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: redzone on October 30, 2019, 09:48:25 PM
Glenties win by a point at the end which looked wide. Shocking from the umpire if it was indeed wide. 15 men behind the ball, horrible to watch but they were by far the hungier team.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Itchy on October 30, 2019, 11:03:50 PM
Just saw replay on twitter, a clear point.

https://twitter.com/123kav/status/1189676364816887809?s=19
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: The CCCC on October 30, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
Just saw replay on twitter, a clear point.

https://twitter.com/123kav/status/1189676364816887809?s=19

Just saw a replay on twitter, a clear wide...

https://twitter.com/cmoondl/status/1189684819623653376?s=21

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Solo_run on October 30, 2019, 11:41:43 PM
Just saw replay on twitter, a clear point.

https://twitter.com/123kav/status/1189676364816887809?s=19

Just saw a replay on twitter, a clear wide...

https://twitter.com/cmoondl/status/1189684819623653376?s=21

Wide.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: An Watcher on October 31, 2019, 05:53:05 AM
Ridiculous, clearly wide
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: square_ball on October 31, 2019, 08:19:04 AM
You boys need a visit to specsavers. That is a point all day long. Goalkeeper reaction said it all.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on October 31, 2019, 08:26:13 AM
You boys need a visit to specsavers. That is a point all day long. Goalkeeper reaction said it all.

Exactly, keepet in a rush to kick ball out with no objection.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2019, 08:57:14 AM
watched it a few times and I couldnt say for sure but the best placed persons were the umpires and linesmen and as said the keeper didnt do his usual of waving wide!

was there any complaints pitch side after the game? or was it just the social media crowd?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: J70 on October 31, 2019, 09:04:46 AM
That looks wide to me from that twitter footage.

Eamon McGee - at his age and experience, WTF is he doing getting the line in a county final before the second half even starts?? ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on October 31, 2019, 10:07:32 AM
That looks wide to me from that twitter footage.

Eamon McGee - at his age and experience, WTF is he doing getting the line in a county final before the second half even starts?? ;D

any links to the scuffle?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 31, 2019, 10:38:16 AM
Prob bbc newsline tonight  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: seafoid on October 31, 2019, 10:38:30 AM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club? 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2019, 10:55:26 AM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2019, 11:19:00 AM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?


Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 31, 2019, 11:21:33 AM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Completely irrelevant.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 31, 2019, 12:26:40 PM
Just saw replay on twitter, a clear point.

https://twitter.com/123kav/status/1189676364816887809?s=19

Just saw a replay on twitter, a clear wide...

https://twitter.com/cmoondl/status/1189684819623653376?s=21
A clear point, few men on here need directions to Specsavers? Musn't have glasses in Donegal yet
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2019, 01:48:48 PM
As I said it was a point, and backed by the linesman also.. the ball looks from photos to be inside post..

I canít see them being fit for this weekends game! Mentally and physically drained, if the Cavan champions start strongly then itíll be a up hill struggle
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2019, 02:27:09 PM
Just saw replay on twitter, a clear point.

https://twitter.com/123kav/status/1189676364816887809?s=19 (https://twitter.com/123kav/status/1189676364816887809?s=19)

Just saw a replay on twitter, a clear wide...

https://twitter.com/cmoondl/status/1189684819623653376?s=21 (https://twitter.com/cmoondl/status/1189684819623653376?s=21)

That last twitter link's been removed. Looking at the first link and also the video report from the BBC, the ball managed to curve in front of the post before going over the bar. I know from experience however that viewing trajectories from different angles can give different judgements, but the reaction of the Gweedore goalkeeper says a lot IMO.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/50243803
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 31, 2019, 02:31:50 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Your the type a bey sweeps up the changing room after a game
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2019, 02:34:07 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Your the type a bey sweeps up the changing room after a game

Aye that be me, never kicked leather or swung the stick! Wouldn't have a clue.. Your credentials?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: HiMucker on October 31, 2019, 02:34:31 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Your the type a bey sweeps up the changing room after a game
What a player, manager, kit man, club chairman, club member? You havent really narrowed it down have you?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 31, 2019, 02:38:51 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Your the type a bey sweeps up the changing room after a game

Aye that be me, never kicked leather or swung the stick! Wouldn't have a clue.. Your credentials?

My credentials? Former point kicker, a fine one at that
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2019, 02:41:24 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Your the type a bey sweeps up the changing room after a game

Aye that be me, never kicked leather or swung the stick! Wouldn't have a clue.. Your credentials?

My credentials? Former point kicker, a fine one at that

Very modest, not fine enough to win Ulster though ;) Sweeping the changing rooms below you?

Ah, I'll just take your word for it then  :D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on October 31, 2019, 02:43:33 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Your the type a bey sweeps up the changing room after a game

Aye that be me, never kicked leather or swung the stick! Wouldn't have a clue.. Your credentials?

My credentials? Former point kicker, a fine one at that

Very modest, not fine enough to win Ulster though ;) Sweeping the changing rooms below you?

Ah, I'll just take your word for it then  :D

Who says i havent an ulster medal lying at home?
not below me, but not above me - common theme now a days in teams and then being videoed doing so. Ive nothing against it, but a few posters do.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2019, 03:33:07 PM
All Blacks sweep the shed....great teams know humility.....thatís a lesson many could learn!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 31, 2019, 04:08:09 PM
All Blacks sweep the shed....great teams know humility.....thatís a lesson many could learn!

The importance of capitalisation.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
All Blacks sweep the shed....great teams know humility.....thatís a lesson many could learn!

The importance of capitalisation.

Good point well made!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 31, 2019, 04:54:39 PM
All Blacks sweep the shed....great teams know humility.....thatís a lesson many could learn!

The importance of capitalisation.

Right up there with...helping your Uncle Jack off a horse.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2019, 06:27:45 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Colour TV was officially launched from the Divis transmitting station from the 1st July 1967 on BBC2, the first in Ireland (north or south) to do so.

First officially recognised Ulster club championship commenced in 1968.

 :P :P
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2019, 07:29:20 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Colour TV was officially launched from the Divis transmitting station from the 1st July 1967 on BBC2, the first in Ireland (north or south) to do so.

First officially recognised Ulster club championship commenced in 1968.

 :P :P

I lived in West Belfast, you only had a tv if you were from South Belfast or you stole one! Was 80ís before the colour TVs were affordable!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2019, 09:09:05 PM
Gaoth Dobhair would probably be a better team to win Ulster. Naomh Conaill lost to  Trillick in the qf in 2015. When is the last time a team from Tyrone won the Ulster Club?

Ah jaysus donít open that can of worms again ;D

It was before colour tv

Colour TV was officially launched from the Divis transmitting station from the 1st July 1967 on BBC2, the first in Ireland (north or south) to do so.

First officially recognised Ulster club championship commenced in 1968.

 :P :P

I lived in West Belfast, you only had a tv if you were from South Belfast or you stole one! Was 80ís before the colour TVs were affordable!

Many TVs, black & white or colour, had numerous reliability issues as well as being at a price that meant you just didn't put it into your trolley at Tesco or Asda. That's why up until around the early to mid 90's renting televisions and VCRs were very popular. Nowadays, you never see any tellys fitted with a coin box to power the telly...

"Oi, Tommy! Take this coins down tha shap 'n git'a rake aff 50p's, yer da wanna watch Match of the Day!"

...also applies to prepaid electric meters as well in the days before going down to the same shap to get those £5 paper tokens (later replaced with the current system).
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2019, 10:01:28 PM
Radio Rentals
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: champion1981 on October 31, 2019, 10:22:22 PM
Crossmaglen Vs Clontibret - Cross by 5
Derrygonnelly Vs Trillick - Derrygonnelly by 2
Kilcoo Vs Magherafelt - Magherafelt by 1
Castlerahan Vs Donegal Winners - Donegal winners by 3


Fancy a bet on kilcoo magherafelt ?
clontibret,derrygonnelly,kilcoo,castlerahan wins👍
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2019, 10:26:05 PM
Radio Rentals

Did my school work experience there!

Fun fact: Radio Rentals ended up into merging with several other entertainment & white goods rental & HP chains to become Boxclever, which is an online only operation (no high street stores).
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on November 01, 2019, 09:16:10 AM
I see the Glenties doctor wants their game postponed for player welfare. Glentied refused finishing on the day twice and Castlerahan would then be four weeks without a game so would be at a massive disadvantage.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Mikhailov on November 01, 2019, 09:16:30 AM
Cross by 2
Magherafelt by 2
Trillick by 4
Naomh Conaill by 3
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 01, 2019, 01:11:25 PM
I see the Glenties doctor wants their game postponed for player welfare. Glentied refused finishing on the day twice and Castlerahan would then be four weeks without a game so would be at a massive disadvantage.

Club teams now have doctors?

And not only that but they're trying to influence provincial fixtures, how about questioning their own county board and why they couldn't get their club championship played on time, they had almost 3 months to play it after Donegal were knocked out.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on November 01, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
I see the Glenties doctor wants their game postponed for player welfare. Glentied refused finishing on the day twice and Castlerahan would then be four weeks without a game so would be at a massive disadvantage.

Club teams now have doctors?

And not only that but they're trying to influence provincial fixtures, how about questioning their own county board and why they couldn't get their club championship played on time, they had almost 3 months to play it after Donegal were knocked out.

Eire Og won Cork Premier Intermediate and had a doctor and physio listed as well as two logistics officials in back room team so must be common for some clubs to have them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2019, 01:38:33 PM
I see the Glenties doctor wants their game postponed for player welfare. Glentied refused finishing on the day twice and Castlerahan would then be four weeks without a game so would be at a massive disadvantage.

Club teams now have doctors?

And not only that but they're trying to influence provincial fixtures, how about questioning their own county board and why they couldn't get their club championship played on time, they had almost 3 months to play it after Donegal were knocked out.

Eire Og won Cork Premier Intermediate and had a doctor and physio listed as well as two logistics officials in back room team so must be common for some clubs to have them.

I think all teams have them for championship games?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on November 01, 2019, 02:40:36 PM
I see the Glenties doctor wants their game postponed for player welfare. Glentied refused finishing on the day twice and Castlerahan would then be four weeks without a game so would be at a massive disadvantage.

Club teams now have doctors?

And not only that but they're trying to influence provincial fixtures, how about questioning their own county board and why they couldn't get their club championship played on time, they had almost 3 months to play it after Donegal were knocked out.

Eire Og won Cork Premier Intermediate and had a doctor and physio listed as well as two logistics officials in back room team so must be common for some clubs to have them.

I think all teams have them for championship games?

We just have a physio.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2019, 07:10:02 PM
I see the Glenties doctor wants their game postponed for player welfare. Glentied refused finishing on the day twice and Castlerahan would then be four weeks without a game so would be at a massive disadvantage.

Must have been a new doctor as the one they had earlier was happy enough for them to play two replays!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 02, 2019, 01:47:42 PM
Is Cross v Clontibret being televised?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Minder on November 02, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
Is Cross v Clontibret being televised?

BBCNI showing it live online
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: MK on November 02, 2019, 06:48:16 PM
Is Cross v Clontibret being televised?

BBCNI showing it live online

Preceding game gone to extra time-throw in for senior game delayed
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: PMG1 on November 02, 2019, 06:51:47 PM
Anyone got a link to the game, I cant find it on the BBC website
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oneclubonelife on November 02, 2019, 06:55:47 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/gaelic-games/50226285
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on November 02, 2019, 07:01:31 PM
Whoís on in first game? Hopefully pitch holds up ok.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: hardstation on November 02, 2019, 07:09:32 PM
Rock v Buncrana?

Theyíve gone to penalties.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 02, 2019, 07:10:38 PM
Is Cross v Clontibret being televised?

BBCNI showing it live online

Thanks, apparently junior game gone to penalty kicks now!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on November 02, 2019, 07:12:22 PM
It was Killinkere and Blackhill before. Throw in 7 15 for Cross game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: timmyot501 on November 02, 2019, 07:21:06 PM
Anyone logged onto bbc coverage?? Nothing coming up
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: sambostar on November 02, 2019, 07:24:34 PM
Canít get anything either
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: sambostar on November 02, 2019, 07:30:34 PM
Is it only available in 6 counties?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ambrose on November 02, 2019, 07:33:52 PM
Is it only available in 6 counties?

Is that the issue or are people in the north also having problems?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Solo_run on November 02, 2019, 07:35:52 PM
Just change the settings to NI

Listening without the commentary - by choice.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Solo_run on November 02, 2019, 07:49:11 PM
Cross are being outplayed all over the pitch
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ambrose on November 02, 2019, 07:53:05 PM
Cross are being outplayed all over the pitch

We'll have to take your word for it.

Though we can watch the hockey on the BBC
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 02, 2019, 07:54:22 PM
Poor first half by Cross they lack cohesion and fluency and Clontibret have surprised me with the quality of their football in difficult conditions. Cross getting outplayed around the middle of the field and Clontibret have a few very lively forwards. Cross need to lift it and probably need Oisin OíNeill in the middle this half, Hanratty lacks mobility there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: LCohen on November 02, 2019, 07:55:15 PM
Armagh concede the opposition kickout they lose the game.

Cross conceding the kick out in that half had an entirely predictable result. Canít understand why they have done this. Halftime rethink required me thinks
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Solo_run on November 02, 2019, 07:55:29 PM
Cross are being outplayed all over the pitch

We'll have to take your word for it.

Though we can watch the hockey on the BBC

Are the location settings in BBC iPlayer set to NI and are you signed in?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on November 02, 2019, 07:55:37 PM
Clontibret well worth their lead. Cross with a few bad wides. I donít think they will pull this one back
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Nanderson on November 02, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
When are the spuds due to be picked in the Athletic Grounds. I know there was a game before hand but the pitch is very very bad
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: LCohen on November 02, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
Cross deservedly behind but the deficit is not insurmountable. A few tweaks required and Clontibret no mugs but not giving up just yet
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: LCohen on November 02, 2019, 08:01:03 PM
When are the spuds due to be picked in the Athletic Grounds. I know there was a game before hand but the pitch is very very bad

Double headers a bad idea but lack of stewards and playable pitches elsewhere
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 02, 2019, 08:14:05 PM
When are the spuds due to be picked in the Athletic Grounds. I know there was a game before hand but the pitch is very very bad

Double headers a bad idea but lack of stewards and playable pitches elsewhere

It'll be great for the Ulster club camogie and hurling finals next week - great for the small ball game!!!!!!!!!!

Don't think it's fair on the players to play on that next week.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Nanderson on November 02, 2019, 08:33:20 PM
Anyone else think the referee has been brutal? Doesn't play advantage when he should and calling ghost fouls on players. Must be trying to get his name out there. Could be the difference at the end of the game
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: LCohen on November 02, 2019, 08:33:26 PM
Hurson isnít going to want to watch this back
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on November 02, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Hurson isnít going to want to watch this back

Agreed
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: MK on November 02, 2019, 08:41:55 PM
Anyone else think the referee has been brutal? Doesn't play advantage when he should and calling ghost fouls on players. Must be trying to get his name out there. Could be the difference at the end of the game

Without doubt -Hurson the difference in a 1 point game
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: An Watcher on November 02, 2019, 08:43:22 PM
Couple of very soft frees against cross there. No doubt the ref cost them
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on November 02, 2019, 08:43:58 PM
When are the spuds due to be picked in the Athletic Grounds. I know there was a game before hand but the pitch is very very bad

Double headers a bad idea but lack of stewards and playable pitches elsewhere

It'll be great for the Ulster club camogie and hurling finals next week - great for the small ball game!!!!!!!!!!

Don't think it's fair on the players to play on that next week.
In all fairness the groundstaff are superb. Horrible evening most other pitches and that game wouldnít  have gone ahead. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on November 02, 2019, 08:44:55 PM
Ref was poor, couple of woeful frees called. But Cross only themselves to blame didnít perform at all.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: LCohen on November 02, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
Hurson isnít going to want to watch this back

Agreed

Questionable decisions in every game and player antics donít help but there were 2 in particular that Hurson simply has no excuse for. The first (the Rico Kelly one) was as poor as they come. In a one point margin game there has to be big questions over Hursonís accuracy and judgement
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: ardchieftain on November 02, 2019, 08:45:36 PM
Mr. McEntee man of the match. Ref was very poor.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on November 02, 2019, 08:46:57 PM
Hurson isnít going to want to watch this back

Agreed

Questionable decisions in every game and player antics donít help but there were 2 in particular that Hurson simply has no excuse for. The first (the Rico Kelly one) was as poor as they come. In a one point margin game there has to be big questions over Hursonís accuracy and judgement

Canít disagree woth that at all. Have to say tho has cross brought their shooting boots the result may have been different.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: shawshank on November 02, 2019, 08:48:25 PM
Hurson isnít going to want to watch this back

Agreed

Questionable decisions in every game and player antics donít help but there were 2 in particular that Hurson simply has no excuse for. The first (the Rico Kelly one) was as poor as they come. In a one point margin game there has to be big questions over Hursonís accuracy and judgement

Donít forget the non free he awarded tonCrossmaglen in the first half when the Clon defender cleanly hit the ball away from Cian McConville which was easy for O Neill to convert. Another crap decision
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ed Ricketts on November 02, 2019, 08:48:35 PM
Hurson usually decent enough, but not this evening. Made a shit game even harder to watch.

Cross pretty poor on the night, but still had loads of chances to nick that at the end.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 02, 2019, 08:49:52 PM
Hurson give Clontibret 2 non existent scoreable free kicks in the second half but Cross left it too late, they gave themselves too much to do after a poor first half performance. Both sides hit a lot of bad wides and aside from Clontibretís play in the first 15 minutes it was a very poor quality spectacle. Desperate conditions though, Athletic Grounds looked in very poor shape.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on November 02, 2019, 08:51:44 PM
Ref a bit whistle happy on the scoreable frees for both teams but Cross can have no complaints they were really bad. Canít see clontibret lasting much longer either
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on November 02, 2019, 08:53:34 PM
Ref a bit whistle happy on the scoreable frees for both teams but Cross can have no complaints they were really bad. Canít see clontibret lasting much longer either

Missed too many chances they would normally have taken. As an armagh man, not a cross man tho, itís disappointing but at keast we have the players available for the league
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: PTC on November 02, 2019, 08:55:51 PM
If McManus had of brought his shooting boots cross would of been beat out the gate
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 02, 2019, 09:03:49 PM
I wouldnít judge either side too much on tonightís showing, conditions looked horrendous but leaving aside a few dubious decisions Cross had every chance to win that match but didnít. A bit of inexperience told and John McEntee knew the opposition inside out which was a big advantage. I fancied Cross to win Ulster but they still have a bit to go yet on that showing as I canít see Clontibret winning it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: general_lee on November 02, 2019, 09:09:11 PM
Clontibret that wee bit more balanced and deserved the win. Even withstanding poor refereeing cross could have nicked that. Poor spectacle but some good fielding by Clontibret in round the middle. Really expected Cross to turn the thing around but they were always chasing, Clontibret deserved it in the end
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 02, 2019, 09:28:44 PM
When are the spuds due to be picked in the Athletic Grounds. I know there was a game before hand but the pitch is very very bad

Double headers a bad idea but lack of stewards and playable pitches elsewhere

It'll be great for the Ulster club camogie and hurling finals next week - great for the small ball game!!!!!!!!!!

Don't think it's fair on the players to play on that next week.
In all fairness the groundstaff are superb. Horrible evening most other pitches and that game wouldnít  have gone ahead.

True Armagh18. Not having a go at Athletic Grounds or staff.

Just think it's not fair for camogs and hurlers to play on it!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: keeperlit on November 02, 2019, 10:33:47 PM
I wouldnít judge either side too much on tonightís showing, conditions looked horrendous but leaving aside a few dubious decisions Cross had every chance to win that match but didnít. A bit of inexperience told and John McEntee knew the opposition inside out which was a big advantage. I fancied Cross to win Ulster but they still have a bit to go yet on that showing as I canít see Clontibret winning it.
Conditions brutal but a few things I canít understand - Johnny Hanratty & Paul Mckeown have played very little championship football this year and are threw into starting line up tonight. Match rustiness obvious with these two in first half and feel that this added to the complete shapelessness of cross in 1st half along with a half back line that felt it did not need to mark their opposing number. Cross could not get theirs hands on a ball in first fifteen/twenty minutes- why did they not try and work a few short kickouts? McEntee had clontibret well drilled and well set up. Fully deserved win for Clontribet imo with them showing the sort of composure that you would usually associate with cross teams.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Carbery on November 02, 2019, 11:03:01 PM
Watched the match on BBC Streaming Service and I must say I enjoyed it considering the terrible conditions.
Found the analysist someone called Clarke most annoying and irritating to listen to.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Solo_run on November 02, 2019, 11:45:53 PM
Watched the match on BBC Streaming Service and I must say I enjoyed it considering the terrible conditions.
Found the analysist someone called Clarke most annoying and irritating to listen to.

That's why I muted it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: regal on November 02, 2019, 11:56:55 PM
I think Armaghís odds of winning promotion will have shortened after tonight. Iíd imagine Armagh management will be delighted to have a full hand to chose from for the first league match. Cross nr 6 showed up well I thought.

Take out the OíNeillís and cross are very very ordinary. Although ulster is wide open I canít see clontibret winning it tbh.

Perhaps John mcentee could be enticed into the Armagh management for 2019?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Throw ball on November 03, 2019, 12:28:52 AM
I think Armaghís odds of winning promotion will have shortened after tonight. Iíd imagine Armagh management will be delighted to have a full hand to chose from for the first league match. Cross nr 6 showed up well I thought.

Take out the OíNeillís and cross are very very ordinary. Although ulster is wide open I canít see clontibret winning it tbh.

Perhaps John mcentee could be enticed into the Armagh management for 2019?

Maybe for 2020 would be better !! ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 03, 2019, 01:54:07 AM
NEW Winners  on the S McFerran cup for 2019
Who will it be ?
7/1 for everyone left IMO
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Armamike on November 03, 2019, 12:12:29 PM
Wondering how John Mc feels!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Schkite on November 03, 2019, 12:22:01 PM
Great to get a big win like that last night in very testing conditions. On the balance of it, I feel like we were the better team overall and just deserved to win. Considering the conditions, we played some good stuff in the first half, Mansy was to the fore but was well assisted by P Boyle and O'Dowd. Everyone knew that Cross would rally like the top team they are, and we couldn't get the same level of performance from ourselves in the second half, but we just about limited the damage and chipped away at a few more points, and that proved to be enough. There was some work that had to be put in around the middle and in defence, as in the county final I thought C Boyle was fantastic, and D Savage got through alot of work too. Delighted for the older lads especially like Vinny and Dessie, who had two cracks at Cross in 06/07 and lost by a point each time, must feel good to get it right 3rd time around, and have another crack at Ulster now. I see alot of comments writing off our chances, but that's just fine.

I also see alot of comments about Cross throwing it away and leaving their shooting boots at home, but that kind of comes with a night like that, it wasn't ideal but it's the same for both side. We weren't near as clinical as in the county final and missed a good few chances ourselves, moreso in the second half - Conor should have buried that goal chance and that could have been the game wrapped up. And as for the ref, I didn't think he was great alright, but he had a couple of harsh calls against us too, they were just earlier in the game. Last time we played Cross, the ref had to be escorted off the field as he blew up when we were on the attack, despite him telling us we had time to work an equalising score. So I suppose it's nice to not be the side complaining about the ref this time!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 01:10:54 PM
Itís Trillicks to lose now  :)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on November 03, 2019, 03:05:52 PM
1 5 to 0 5 Glenties ht. Glenties started better and Castlerahan on top at end of half. Castlerahan have missed 3 goal chances and Glenties 1
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge for the second half.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 03:57:59 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 03:59:00 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on November 03, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on November 03, 2019, 04:01:35 PM
Derrygonelly have an unfair advantage by being the best team in their county more than once in a row. Is there no fairness any more ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:01:48 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on November 03, 2019, 04:01:53 PM
Glenties won 1 11 to 0 11. Castlerahan missed a world of chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 04:04:49 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.


But but but but but Tyrone gave the best club championship in Ireland... lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:07:56 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.


But but but but but Tyrone gave the best club championship in Ireland... lol

Yes, Tyrone have the best club Championship in Ulster. 7 different Champions in the past 9 years.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 04:13:03 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.


But but but but but Tyrone gave the best club championship in Ireland... lol

Yes, Tyrone have the best club Championship in Ulster. 7 different Champions in the past 9 years.

And struggling against the Fermanagh champions! Best my arse  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: regal on November 03, 2019, 04:15:02 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.


But but but but but Tyrone gave the best club championship in Ireland... lol

Yes, Tyrone have the best club Championship in Ulster. 7 different Champions in the past 9 years.

And not a single forward of note amongst any of them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Schkite on November 03, 2019, 04:20:23 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.


But but but but but Tyrone gave the best club championship in Ireland... lol

You've opened up that can of worms again ...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:22:14 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.


But but but but but Tyrone gave the best club championship in Ireland... lol

Yes, Tyrone have the best club Championship in Ulster. 7 different Champions in the past 9 years.

And struggling against the Fermanagh champions! Best my arse  ;D

Trillick are one club.

You seem to be making the mistake of confusing one club with a county championship.

Trillick are up against the 5 in a row Fermanagh Champions, 7 different clubs have won Tyrone in the past 9 years.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 04:25:34 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.


But but but but but Tyrone gave the best club championship in Ireland... lol

Yes, Tyrone have the best club Championship in Ulster. 7 different Champions in the past 9 years.

And struggling against the Fermanagh champions! Best my arse  ;D

Trillick are one club.

You seem to be making the mistake of confusing one club with a county championship.

Trillick are up against the 5 in a row Fermanagh Champions, 7 different clubs have won Tyrone in the past 9 years.

But but but if they are the champions of the best club club championship in Ireland then they are the best club team in Ireland  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:27:48 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.


But but but but but Tyrone gave the best club championship in Ireland... lol

Yes, Tyrone have the best club Championship in Ulster. 7 different Champions in the past 9 years.

And struggling against the Fermanagh champions! Best my arse  ;D

Trillick are one club.

You seem to be making the mistake of confusing one club with a county championship.

Trillick are up against the 5 in a row Fermanagh Champions, 7 different clubs have won Tyrone in the past 9 years.

But but but if they are the champions of the best club club championship in Ireland then they are the best club team in Ireland  ;D

That's not how it works.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:36:08 PM
Penalty shootout in Enniskillen.

The club with the portly keeper will be dreading it now.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 04:38:53 PM
Penalty shootout in Enniskillen.

The club with the portly keeper will be dreading it now.

Couldnít even beat them in normal or extra time, Fermanagh must have the second best championship in Ireland.

The Derrygonnelly Twitter has been fantastic
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on November 03, 2019, 04:39:24 PM
Derrygonnellyís Twitter account is very entertaining.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:42:30 PM
Penalty shootout in Enniskillen.

The club with the portly keeper will be dreading it now.

Couldnít even beat them in normal or extra time, Fermanagh must have the second best championship in Ireland.

The Derrygonnelly Twitter has been fantastic

If we apply your logic to the All Ireland Championship then Leinster and Munster must have the best provincial Championships because of Dublin and Kerry.

You are only embarrassing yourself with your idiotic logic. Tyrone have the best Championship in Ulster as they have 6/7 sides who can come out and be very competitive at provincial level and deliver credible displays.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on November 03, 2019, 04:44:09 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.

Surely the cross game last night would have shown you this argument doesnít work
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
Penalty shootout in Enniskillen.

The club with the portly keeper will be dreading it now.

Couldnít even beat them in normal or extra time, Fermanagh must have the second best championship in Ireland.

The Derrygonnelly Twitter has been fantastic

If we apply your logic to the All Ireland Championship then Leinster and Munster must have the best provincial Championships because of Dublin and Kerry.

You are only embarrassing yourself with your idiotic logic. Tyrone have the best Championship in Ulster as they have 6/7 sides who can come out and be very competitive at provincial level and deliver credible displays.

Creditable displays? Youíre too funny! Embarrassing
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: thebar on November 03, 2019, 04:44:55 PM
Honestly dont think penalty shootouts are something that should be used to decide matches.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:47:42 PM
Honestly dont think penalty shootouts are something that should be used to decide matches.

A next score wins would be a fairer solution.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 04:48:10 PM
Honestly dont think penalty shootouts are something that should be used to decide matches.

Agreed, terrible for all involved
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:48:38 PM
Trillick opting to put a midget in goals isn't helping them here.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:50:17 PM
Trillick Derrygonnelly going to extra time.

Mattie Donnelly picked up an injury in the first half and did not reemerge.

Why would it?

Kilcoo will probably do it at the 8th time of asking this year.

Surely Trillick should be home resting up for the final!

Why's that? Trillick are only mere novices at this level compared to Derrygonnelly.

And???

Derrygonnelly are very experienced at this level. Incremental learning.

Surely the cross game last night would have shown you this argument doesnít work
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Schkite on November 03, 2019, 04:50:33 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
Lee Brennan hits the post and Derrygonnelly win.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:52:09 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 04:52:30 PM
The best team loses ;D

Tyrone club teams bottle it again, chokers
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
Any of the remaining 4 teams will fancy it now with no Cross and no Slaughtneil.

Kilcoo the obvious favourites for me though. Can't see an AI in any of them either.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: seafoid on November 03, 2019, 05:03:48 PM
The best team loses ;D

Tyrone club teams bottle it again, chokers
SF get a lot of stick for their Westminster abstention policy but they would have enough free time to fix the Tyrone teams in the club championship mystery
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Throw ball on November 03, 2019, 05:11:01 PM
Between 2006 and 2012 Cross won 6 out of 7 Ulster titles. In the year they didn't win Pearse Ogs lost narrowly to St Galls who went on to win All Ireland. Does that mean Ulster Championship was uncompetitive. Just trying to work out how having so many different clubs winning makes a championship the best.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 03, 2019, 05:12:53 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 03, 2019, 05:15:24 PM
Jaysus, not this shit again about how brilliant or crap the Tyrone SFC is etc. etc.  ::)

One thing is for certain - after both Trillick and the Rock were both eliminated from their respective Ulster championships via penalty shoot-out, expect to see it mentioned in the forthcoming Tyrone county convention.
They'll be some bragging in St. Mick's tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: knockitdown on November 03, 2019, 05:16:55 PM
Whenís the next round of games?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 03, 2019, 05:27:05 PM
f**king penalties. The GAA has reached a new low.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 05:28:54 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.

I don't see how that disproves my point at all.

Tyrone still has the strongest senior club championship in Ulster.

Which club championship do you think is strongest in Ulster?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 05:29:45 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.

I don't see how that disproves my point at all.

Tyrone still has the strongest senior club championship in Ulster.

Which club championship do you think is strongest in Ulster?

Fermanagh
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 05:32:11 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.

I don't see how that disproves my point at all.

Tyrone still has the strongest senior club championship in Ulster.

Which club championship do you think is strongest in Ulster?

Fermanagh

Derrygonnelly have won 5 in a row in Fermanagh and needed penalties to beat Trillick at home, who were minus their best player for the majority of the game.

Well done to Derrygonnelly too, that was a great win.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 05:36:01 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.

I don't see how that disproves my point at all.

Tyrone still has the strongest senior club championship in Ulster.

Which club championship do you think is strongest in Ulster?

Fermanagh

Derrygonnelly have won 5 in a row in Fermanagh and needed penalties to beat Trillick at home, who were minus their best player for the majority of the game.

Well done to Derrygonnelly too, that was a great win.
Meh came back on again, no excuses please. Frees up the players for McKenna cup at least
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2019, 05:42:35 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.

I don't see how that disproves my point at all.

Tyrone still has the strongest senior club championship in Ulster.

Which club championship do you think is strongest in Ulster?

Fermanagh

Derrygonnelly have won 5 in a row in Fermanagh and needed penalties to beat Trillick at home, who were minus their best player for the majority of the game.

Well done to Derrygonnelly too, that was a great win.
Meh came back on again, no excuses please. Frees up the players for McKenna cup at least

No excuses there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: nrico2006 on November 03, 2019, 06:06:02 PM
Who was missing for Trillick?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: FermGael on November 03, 2019, 06:09:27 PM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.

I don't see how that disproves my point at all.

Tyrone still has the strongest senior club championship in Ulster.

Which club championship do you think is strongest in Ulster?

Fermanagh

Derrygonnelly have won 5 in a row in Fermanagh and needed penalties to beat Trillick at home, who were minus their best player for the majority of the game.

Well done to Derrygonnelly too, that was a great win.
Meh came back on again, no excuses please. Frees up the players for McKenna cup at least

No excuses there.

Angelo failed to mention that Derrygonnelly were also missing their the top scorer in the Fermanagh club championship over the last 5 years Paul Ward who is out with a long term injury.

Fair play to Derrygonnelly.
Disgrace it went to penalty kicks.
Both clubs should have refused them.
Could have been replayed next weekend.
Just shows how the Gaa is evolving .....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 03, 2019, 06:28:13 PM
Angelo failed to mention that Derrygonnelly were also missing their the top scorer in the Fermanagh club championship over the last 5 years Paul Ward who is our with a long term injury.

Fair play to Derrygonnelly.
Disgrace it went to penalty kicks.
Both clubs should have refused them.
Could have been replayed next weekend.
Just shows how the Gaa is evolving .....

I can understand using a penalty shoot-out or some sort of free-kick shoot-out where there is an exceptional circumstance to completing a fixture in a round from going on excessively long, but it seems rather premature to do so on the first day, especially in an adult club championship. By all means, say do it where the first game went to a draw AET, the replay also finished level, level again AET and the teams still couldn't be separated after another 2x5mins extra time period, then have a shoot out. If I'm right, the senior semis aren't until the 16th & 17th November - it wouldn't have been too hard to have had say a replay under lights in Brewster or Healy this coming Thursday or Friday night.

In saying that, probably a good job the Fermanagh SFC itself doesn't demand all ties finish on the day, as Derrygonnelly could then have been easily polished off by Belanleck (had the leckers won the replay, that would have set up some fairytale final)!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 03, 2019, 08:25:18 PM
Angelo failed to mention that Derrygonnelly were also missing their the top scorer in the Fermanagh club championship over the last 5 years Paul Ward who is our with a long term injury.

Fair play to Derrygonnelly.
Disgrace it went to penalty kicks.
Both clubs should have refused them.
Could have been replayed next weekend.
Just shows how the Gaa is evolving .....

I can understand using a penalty shoot-out or some sort of free-kick shoot-out where there is an exceptional circumstance to completing a fixture in a round from going on excessively long, but it seems rather premature to do so on the first day, especially in an adult club championship. By all means, say do it where the first game went to a draw AET, the replay also finished level, level again AET and the teams still couldn't be separated after another 2x5mins extra time period, then have a shoot out. If I'm right, the senior semis aren't until the 16th & 17th November - it wouldn't have been too hard to have had say a replay under lights in Brewster or Healy this coming Thursday or Friday night.

In saying that, probably a good job the Fermanagh SFC itself doesn't demand all ties finish on the day, as Derrygonnelly could then have been easily polished off by Belanleck (had the leckers won the replay, that would have set up some fairytale final)!

I think it states that it'll finish on day so clubs should have no issue when it goes to draw, then a draw in extra-time.  No excuses.

If so, it should be raised before hand i.e. during the week when the directive from the Ulster Council comes through.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: under the bar on November 03, 2019, 08:55:57 PM
Whoever decided penalty kicks to decide a GAA match should be beaten around the nads with nettles and then brambles until they drop off.  Probably a Dub west-Brit pale-dweller.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Rossfan on November 03, 2019, 09:00:19 PM
Penalties are part of Gaelic Football and have been since the time football was only played by fŪor Gael Ulsterites.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 03, 2019, 09:00:46 PM
Whoever decided penalty kicks to decide a GAA match should be beaten around the nads with nettles and then brambles until they drop off.  Probably a Dub west-Brit pale-dweller.

Why? There are penalties in gaa sports?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on November 03, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
A whole lot of nonsense being talked about penalties here
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 03, 2019, 09:07:18 PM
Angelo failed to mention that Derrygonnelly were also missing their the top scorer in the Fermanagh club championship over the last 5 years Paul Ward who is our with a long term injury.

Fair play to Derrygonnelly.
Disgrace it went to penalty kicks.
Both clubs should have refused them.
Could have been replayed next weekend.
Just shows how the Gaa is evolving .....

I can understand using a penalty shoot-out or some sort of free-kick shoot-out where there is an exceptional circumstance to completing a fixture in a round from going on excessively long, but it seems rather premature to do so on the first day, especially in an adult club championship. By all means, say do it where the first game went to a draw AET, the replay also finished level, level again AET and the teams still couldn't be separated after another 2x5mins extra time period, then have a shoot out. If I'm right, the senior semis aren't until the 16th & 17th November - it wouldn't have been too hard to have had say a replay under lights in Brewster or Healy this coming Thursday or Friday night.

In saying that, probably a good job the Fermanagh SFC itself doesn't demand all ties finish on the day, as Derrygonnelly could then have been easily polished off by Belanleck (had the leckers won the replay, that would have set up some fairytale final)!

I think it states that it'll finish on day so clubs should have no issue when it goes to draw, then a draw in extra-time.  No excuses.

If so, it should be raised before hand i.e. during the week when the directive from the Ulster Council comes through.

No point crying over spilt milk as regards to the present competition season, at least. Maybe something will be different this time next year?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 03, 2019, 09:14:49 PM
That was poor from Castlerahan the Cavan champions. How much would Naomh Conaill win by If they had a week or two to prepare for that game?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 03, 2019, 09:15:51 PM
Angelo failed to mention that Derrygonnelly were also missing their the top scorer in the Fermanagh club championship over the last 5 years Paul Ward who is our with a long term injury.

Fair play to Derrygonnelly.
Disgrace it went to penalty kicks.
Both clubs should have refused them.
Could have been replayed next weekend.
Just shows how the Gaa is evolving .....

I can understand using a penalty shoot-out or some sort of free-kick shoot-out where there is an exceptional circumstance to completing a fixture in a round from going on excessively long, but it seems rather premature to do so on the first day, especially in an adult club championship. By all means, say do it where the first game went to a draw AET, the replay also finished level, level again AET and the teams still couldn't be separated after another 2x5mins extra time period, then have a shoot out. If I'm right, the senior semis aren't until the 16th & 17th November - it wouldn't have been too hard to have had say a replay under lights in Brewster or Healy this coming Thursday or Friday night.

In saying that, probably a good job the Fermanagh SFC itself doesn't demand all ties finish on the day, as Derrygonnelly could then have been easily polished off by Belanleck (had the leckers won the replay, that would have set up some fairytale final)!

I think it states that it'll finish on day so clubs should have no issue when it goes to draw, then a draw in extra-time.  No excuses.

If so, it should be raised before hand i.e. during the week when the directive from the Ulster Council comes through.

No point crying over spilt milk as regards to the present competition season, at least. Maybe something will be different this time next year?

Possibly, if the timetable suits.  I like replay, then extra-time then penalties but time constraints must be factored in also.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 03, 2019, 09:56:25 PM
Some suggestion earlier of "next score wins" as an alternative - that is a damn good recepie of a complete disaster in the making if it was decided by the referee awarding a "soft", dodgy or 50/50 free kick within scoring distance of the posts which was then knocked over the bar.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2019, 09:58:22 PM
Some suggestion earlier of "next score wins" as an alternative - that is a damn good recepie of a complete disaster in the making if it was decided by the referee awarding a "soft", dodgy or 50/50 free kick within scoring distance of the posts which was then knocked over the bar.

No different to he doing it with 10 seconds left in normal time.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 03, 2019, 10:14:57 PM
Some suggestion earlier of "next score wins" as an alternative - that is a damn good recepie of a complete disaster in the making if it was decided by the referee awarding a "soft", dodgy or 50/50 free kick within scoring distance of the posts which was then knocked over the bar.

No different to he doing it with 10 seconds left in normal time.

Unless the referee tells whoever is taking the free kick that it's the last kick of the half, there's nothing stopping the official to get the team that is one behind "one last chance" from the kickout. In a "next score wins", the game is over once the ball crosses the goal line (assuming the score is not disallowed or made to be retaken).
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: under the bar on November 03, 2019, 10:16:34 PM
Whoever decided penalty kicks to decide a GAA match should be beaten around the nads with nettles and then brambles until they drop off.  Probably a Dub west-Brit pale-dweller.

Why? There are penalties in gaa sports?

Cos itís a soccer solution to end a GAA contest, and a completely shit soccer solution at that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2019, 10:27:37 PM
Some suggestion earlier of "next score wins" as an alternative - that is a damn good recepie of a complete disaster in the making if it was decided by the referee awarding a "soft", dodgy or 50/50 free kick within scoring distance of the posts which was then knocked over the bar.

No different to he doing it with 10 seconds left in normal time.

Unless the referee tells whoever is taking the free kick that it's the last kick of the half, there's nothing stopping the official to get the team that is one behind "one last chance" from the kickout. In a "next score wins", the game is over once the ball crosses the goal line (assuming the score is not disallowed or made to be retaken).

So you are saying...next score plus one possession, and if the team behind loses possession the game is over?  Or they could get a goal to win if the first score was a point?

There are worse ways to solve it I suppose.



Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2019, 10:38:55 PM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 03, 2019, 10:52:15 PM
Many years ago, when we in Armagh Harps run our annual tournament, draws at the end of normal time were settled by each team taking five 50s, in alternate order. Goals did not count and neither did points where the ball bounced on the ground before going over. Where sides were level after five 50s each, sudden death was employed.

That said, I recall an O'Fiaich Cup game being decided by penalties at the end of normal time. Paddy McEneaney was the ref and it looked an 'off the cuff' decision to use penalties. Many present were taken with the novelty of it, but there were a few walked out shouting 'disgrace' in the direction of Paddy.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 03, 2019, 10:58:20 PM
Many years ago, when we in Armagh Harps run our annual tournament, draws at the end of normal time were settled by each team taking five 50s, in alternate order. Goals did not count and neither did points where the ball bounced on the ground before going over. Where sides were level after five 50s each, sudden death was employed.

That said, I recall an O'Fiaich Cup game being decided by penalties at the end of normal time. Paddy McEneaney was the ref and it looked an 'off the cuff' decision to use penalties. Many present were taken with the novelty of it, but there were a few walked out shouting 'disgrace' in the direction of Paddy.

It was a few years back (I think 2014 or 2015?), but I recall UUJ progressing in a knockout game after winning a penalty shoot-out, it wasn't Sigerson though.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 03, 2019, 11:06:40 PM
It was a few years back (I think 2014 or 2015?), but I recall UUJ progressing in a knockout game after winning a penalty shoot-out, it wasn't Sigerson though.

I'd be guessing the O'Fiaich Cup match was around 1999 / 2000, as I recall Mark Campbell from Silverbridge doing nets for Armagh and that was his era. I'm sure we were playing Derry and got beaten! 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyHarp on November 03, 2019, 11:14:20 PM
Iíve no problem with the idea of going to penalties to decide a result but if itís good enough for the clubs then the AI final this year should have been sorted in the same fashion too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: armaghniac on November 04, 2019, 12:05:18 AM
Iíve no problem with the idea of going to penalties to decide a result but if itís good enough for the clubs then the AI final this year should have been sorted in the same fashion too.

This was a first round game, not the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 04, 2019, 12:07:58 AM
Iíve no problem with the idea of going to penalties to decide a result but if itís good enough for the clubs then the AI final this year should have been sorted in the same fashion too.

This was a first round game, not the final.

If the final is a draw, then it goes to a replay.

People really need to know the rules regarding the different games - today's game was to be finished on the day.  That was the directive. 

People just want to make up the rules as they go along.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Eire90 on November 04, 2019, 05:08:37 AM
Well they could do this after normal extra time they play a 2nd stage of extra time and the first team to score two points a goal wins

 I dont see anything wrong with a shootout tho
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyHarp on November 04, 2019, 05:55:07 AM
Iíve no problem with the idea of going to penalties to decide a result but if itís good enough for the clubs then the AI final this year should have been sorted in the same fashion too.

This was a first round game, not the final.

If the final is a draw, then it goes to a replay.

People really need to know the rules regarding the different games - today's game was to be finished on the day.  That was the directive. 

People just want to make up the rules as they go along.

Eh? Who is making up rules? I know the rules (if anything the GAA make it up as they go along - i.e. the Antrim championship randomly goes to free kicks then a replay) but if a game which has thousands of people travelling all over the world to see it, with thousands of pounds spent on banquets etc canít be sorted out on the day then why should a first round championship game? Iím merely making an observation on why does a final have to go to a replay and a first round doesnít? If itís deemed a satisfactory way of getting a result then it should he consistent across all games - especially an AI final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: tintin25 on November 04, 2019, 07:02:42 AM
Anyways....back to the game.  Pleasantly surprised with how Derrygonnelly played, a lot better than I expected.  They cleaned Trillick out at midfield with the no. 9 (McGullion) very impressive...some great catches.  In fairness to Trillick, losing Donnelly was a serious blow as he was their main outlet in the first half and all their good play went through him.  IMO, they prob would have shaded it in normal
time had he stayed on.  Youíd expect a Kilcoo v Clontibret final, but plenty of shocks and close games over the weekend in all grades, so no one can be ruled out.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on November 04, 2019, 07:54:50 AM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.

I don't see how that disproves my point at all.

Tyrone still has the strongest senior club championship in Ulster.

Which club championship do you think is strongest in Ulster?

Fermanagh

Derrygonnelly have won 5 in a row in Fermanagh and needed penalties to beat Trillick at home, who were minus their best player for the majority of the game.

Well done to Derrygonnelly too, that was a great win.
Meh came back on again, no excuses please. Frees up the players for McKenna cup at least


Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on November 04, 2019, 08:02:03 AM
We won a game in the Monaghan championship on penalties, but it would be an awful way to lose a game. There are time constraints sure, but there must be a better way.

Next score wins would be a much fairer way.

You're the lad preaching about how good Tyrone club football is - you're a waffler, a spoofer.  Another year without an Ulster club senior title.  Gone in the first round...again.

Well done to Derrygonnelly.  A well deserved victory.  Trillick unlucky - ahead on a few occasions but couldn't see it out.  Penalties is exciting for the neutrals.

As an aside, the Derrygonnelly person on Twitter must be good craic.  Done a great job.

Very open competition now.  Cavan champions must have been well poor. Naomh Conaill will get glad of the break now - a well deserved break.

I don't see how that disproves my point at all.

Tyrone still has the strongest senior club championship in Ulster.

Which club championship do you think is strongest in Ulster?


Armagh Harps were beaten by Derrygonnelly Harps, whom then were beaten by Cavan Gaels.

Either way, it's not a good look for Armagh club football as Fermanagh clubs have a very, very poor record in this decade.

 ;D ;D ;D They seem to be improving unlike Tyrone  - You really are full of maddog shite, is there anything you post that isn't a load of waffle!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: The Bearded One on November 04, 2019, 09:18:26 AM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix

I don't recall my club rubber stamping anything to do with finish on the day protocols being introduced so not sure you are talking logically here.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Christmas Lights on November 04, 2019, 09:36:46 AM
Angelo completely windmilling and embarrassing himself in this thread
 


Look the Tyrone championship is a fantastic competition, it really is, hugely competitive games, excellent teams, excitement, drama, passion, everything you want as a supporter or spectator but can you stop trying to make comparisons between a county championship and a provincial championship.  They are two completely separate competitions. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: LeoMc on November 04, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix

I don't recall my club rubber stamping anything to do with finish on the day protocols being introduced so not sure you are talking logically here.
Have you checked with your clubs delegates to the County convention?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: LeoMc on November 04, 2019, 11:16:43 AM
Some suggestion earlier of "next score wins" as an alternative - that is a damn good recepie of a complete disaster in the making if it was decided by the referee awarding a "soft", dodgy or 50/50 free kick within scoring distance of the posts which was then knocked over the bar.

No different to he doing it with 10 seconds left in normal time.

Unless the referee tells whoever is taking the free kick that it's the last kick of the half, there's nothing stopping the official to get the team that is one behind "one last chance" from the kickout. In a "next score wins", the game is over once the ball crosses the goal line (assuming the score is not disallowed or made to be retaken).

Or maybe, to steal an idea from Tennis (if that is not too west Brit), first team to go 2 scores clear.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: WT4E on November 04, 2019, 11:48:33 AM
Some suggestion earlier of "next score wins" as an alternative - that is a damn good recepie of a complete disaster in the making if it was decided by the referee awarding a "soft", dodgy or 50/50 free kick within scoring distance of the posts which was then knocked over the bar.

No different to he doing it with 10 seconds left in normal time.

Unless the referee tells whoever is taking the free kick that it's the last kick of the half, there's nothing stopping the official to get the team that is one behind "one last chance" from the kickout. In a "next score wins", the game is over once the ball crosses the goal line (assuming the score is not disallowed or made to be retaken).

Or maybe, to steal an idea from Tennis (if that is not too west Brit), first team to go 2 scores clear.


Remember an old manager of our club team did this and it was a great way to finish a training match!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 04, 2019, 02:18:52 PM
Remember an old manager of our club team did this and it was a great way to finish a training match!

It was...

... as long as ye didn't need to be anywhere for the next hour and half  ;D ;D


[I remember the 2 scores win end of match epics very fondly]
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: t_mac on November 04, 2019, 02:31:57 PM
I think Armaghís odds of winning promotion will have shortened after tonight. Iíd imagine Armagh management will be delighted to have a full hand to chose from for the first league match. Cross nr 6 showed up well I thought.

Take out the OíNeillís and cross are very very ordinary. Although ulster is wide open I canít see clontibret winning it tbh.

Perhaps John mcentee could be enticed into the Armagh management for 2019?

John Mc took bit of stick on social media from so called cross fans, some tools shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2019, 04:11:17 PM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix

I don't recall my club rubber stamping anything to do with finish on the day protocols being introduced so not sure you are talking logically here.

Are you on your club committiee? These things are talked about and brought up all the time, anything that the county wants to go with needs to be discussed with your clubs county delegate, then he/she feeds that back.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: The Bearded One on November 04, 2019, 04:15:29 PM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix

I don't recall my club rubber stamping anything to do with finish on the day protocols being introduced so not sure you are talking logically here.

Are you on your club committiee? These things are talked about and brought up all the time, anything that the county wants to go with needs to be discussed with your clubs county delegate, then he/she feeds that back.

Yes, I am. I also have been advised that this was solely the decision of the Ulster GAA competition committee (as is their right) and clubs were not canvassed.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 04, 2019, 04:19:09 PM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix

I don't recall my club rubber stamping anything to do with finish on the day protocols being introduced so not sure you are talking logically here.

Are you on your club committiee? These things are talked about and brought up all the time, anything that the county wants to go with needs to be discussed with your clubs county delegate, then he/she feeds that back.

So, if your club votes against this penalties idea, how do they know the county board representative will vote accordingly at the CB meeting? (Or does it even go to a vote at the CB meeting?)

And same goes for when CB reps vote at congress. How do we know they vote as instructed by the club(s)?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: shark on November 04, 2019, 04:23:52 PM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix

I don't recall my club rubber stamping anything to do with finish on the day protocols being introduced so not sure you are talking logically here.

Are you on your club committiee? These things are talked about and brought up all the time, anything that the county wants to go with needs to be discussed with your clubs county delegate, then he/she feeds that back.

So, if your club votes against this penalties idea, how do they know the county board representative will vote accordingly at the CB meeting? (Or does it even go to a vote at the CB meeting?)

And same goes for when CB reps vote at congress. How do we know they vote as instructed by the club(s)?

We don't. The CPA tried, but failed, to get a motion approved where voting would be transparent. It showed up the absolute worst of GAA administration.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2019, 04:40:18 PM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix

I don't recall my club rubber stamping anything to do with finish on the day protocols being introduced so not sure you are talking logically here.

Are you on your club committiee? These things are talked about and brought up all the time, anything that the county wants to go with needs to be discussed with your clubs county delegate, then he/she feeds that back.

So, if your club votes against this penalties idea, how do they know the county board representative will vote accordingly at the CB meeting? (Or does it even go to a vote at the CB meeting?)

And same goes for when CB reps vote at congress. How do we know they vote as instructed by the club(s)?

Obviously all counties seemed to be doing their own thing.... As I see it the county are voted in at county convention, they are given the power to do some things, but there should be, on important things, a motion that should be put back to the clubs to say yes or no too penalties to decide games.

Donegal have their own set of rules and we managed to go with 30 yard frees and then had them stopped before it could have been finished, that was a call the chairman made and rightly or wrongly he felt that was the right thing to do.. (I thought it was also)

Its a shambles tbf and I've no doubt that it will be discussed at length in Croke park when they hold their meetings..

That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 04, 2019, 04:57:38 PM
Clubs are aware of the rules and regulations, why are people still complaining when Ďyourí clubs rubber stamps this via county or ulster county conventions?

If youíre a member of a club you can it a motion through your club to change it. Until then itís what weíve got, not my choice but itís difficult to fix

I don't recall my club rubber stamping anything to do with finish on the day protocols being introduced so not sure you are talking logically here.

Are you on your club committiee? These things are talked about and brought up all the time, anything that the county wants to go with needs to be discussed with your clubs county delegate, then he/she feeds that back.

So, if your club votes against this penalties idea, how do they know the county board representative will vote accordingly at the CB meeting? (Or does it even go to a vote at the CB meeting?)

And same goes for when CB reps vote at congress. How do we know they vote as instructed by the club(s)?

We don't. The CPA tried, but failed, to get a motion approved where voting would be transparent. It showed up the absolute worst of GAA administration.

Yes, they brought that motion to the table because Congress is a load of balls, and everybody knows it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 04, 2019, 06:01:57 PM
That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?

The idea earlier is not a bad one - 2 scores in a row to win.

Would be shite for a team playing into a gale - but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 04, 2019, 06:14:41 PM
What about reducing numbers? Say to 11/12/13 a side during extra time.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2019, 06:20:26 PM
That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?

The idea earlier is not a bad one - 2 scores in a row to win.

Would be shite for a team playing into a gale - but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

Whatever rule is used someone will complain about it! The current set up is unfair as the Donegal champions got and extra game to win it in normal time, while others had to play out in one day
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Main Street on November 04, 2019, 09:37:02 PM
That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?

The idea earlier is not a bad one - 2 scores in a row to win.

Would be shite for a team playing into a gale - but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

Whatever rule is used someone will complain about it! The current set up is unfair as the Donegal champions got and extra game to win it in normal time, while others had to play out in one day
The club schedule in september and october is intense.
Naomh Conaills had to play 3 games to win their county championship, that schedule coming into the the Ulster club sfc was no advantage.
At least in the Ulster Club SFC  with the penalty shoot out, each winning team will have the same vantage (two weeks) going into the semi final.

The penalty shoot was used in the early rounds of the Monaghan sfc but each losing team had a back door entry into the next round.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 04, 2019, 10:49:36 PM
That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?

The idea earlier is not a bad one - 2 scores in a row to win.

Would be shite for a team playing into a gale - but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

Whatever rule is used someone will complain about it! The current set up is unfair as the Donegal champions got and extra game to win it in normal time, while others had to play out in one day
The club schedule in september and october is intense.
Naomh Conaills had to play 3 games to win their county championship, that schedule coming into the the Ulster club sfc was no advantage.
At least in the Ulster Club SFC  with the penalty shoot out, each winning team will have the same vantage (two weeks) going into the semi final.

The penalty shoot was used in the early rounds of the Monaghan sfc but each losing team had a back door entry into the next round.

Cargin had a draw and replay that went to extra time, they had to play following week against Derrygonnelly ( who beat the best club team in Ireland  ;D ) when they clearly had players injured or not able to be at their best to play in the first round.

Had they received another week  to rest up theyíd have been in a better position. Itís down to the county to allow games to be finished, with a view for the allowances of drawn games
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 05, 2019, 01:10:33 AM
2 weeks between Trill/DíGonnelly QF and the semi. They could have played the replay this weekend, and still a week for the winners to prepare for semi.

If Trill/DG drew again, then have another replay, and push back the semi. Whatís the problem?

Cross Naomh Conaill played a final in 2010 about a week before Xmas because it kept getting cancelled due to weather. I donít see why the odd replay shouldnít be accommodated too, for the sake of an extra week or two. Sure the AI semi finals arenít until February anyway!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 05, 2019, 01:17:20 AM
2 weeks between Trill/DíGonnelly QF and the semi. They could have played the replay this weekend, and still a week for the winners to prepare for semi.

If Trill/DG drew again, then have another replay, and push back the semi. Whatís the problem?

Cross Naomh Conaill played a final in 2010 about a week before Xmas because it kept getting cancelled due to weather. I donít see why the odd replay shouldnít be accommodated too, for the sake of an extra week or two. Sure the AI semi finals arenít until February anyway!

Semi finals set for 4/5 January 2020, with finals on 19 January.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 05, 2019, 10:03:21 AM
2 weeks between Trill/DíGonnelly QF and the semi. They could have played the replay this weekend, and still a week for the winners to prepare for semi.

If Trill/DG drew again, then have another replay, and push back the semi. Whatís the problem?

Cross Naomh Conaill played a final in 2010 about a week before Xmas because it kept getting cancelled due to weather. I donít see why the odd replay shouldnít be accommodated too, for the sake of an extra week or two. Sure the AI semi finals arenít until February anyway!

Semi finals set for 4/5 January 2020, with finals on 19 January.

When was that announced?

Still 2/3 weeks to play with before Xmas though. Time enough for replays or postponements.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Main Street on November 05, 2019, 10:34:43 AM
That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?

The idea earlier is not a bad one - 2 scores in a row to win.

Would be shite for a team playing into a gale - but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

Whatever rule is used someone will complain about it! The current set up is unfair as the Donegal champions got and extra game to win it in normal time, while others had to play out in one day
The club schedule in september and october is intense.
Naomh Conaills had to play 3 games to win their county championship, that schedule coming into the the Ulster club sfc was no advantage.
At least in the Ulster Club SFC  with the penalty shoot out, each winning team will have the same vantage (two weeks) going into the semi final.

The penalty shoot was used in the early rounds of the Monaghan sfc but each losing team had a back door entry into the next round.

Cargin had a draw and replay that went to extra time, they had to play following week against Derrygonnelly ( who beat the best club team in Ireland  ;D ) when they clearly had players injured or not able to be at their best to play in the first round.

Had they received another week  to rest up theyíd have been in a better position. Itís down to the county to allow games to be finished, with a view for the allowances of drawn games
Counties can work out a decent system for themselves, I think Monaghan's is a decent experiment, has worked well this year (at least for Clontibret) and is here to stay. When it comes to the Ulster Club SFC I think a drawn game should be settled on the day and all winning teams have an equal rest period before the semi final / final. The county championship is everything, this provincial competition is bonus territory but adds a taxing nuisance factor if replays are part of the format.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Rossfan on November 05, 2019, 10:42:29 AM
Agreed Main St.
As for Benny the oul memory is obviously gone .
I posted about those dates a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 05, 2019, 11:20:17 AM
Whoever decided penalty kicks to decide a GAA match should be beaten around the nads with nettles and then brambles until they drop off.  Probably a Dub west-Brit pale-dweller.

Why? There are penalties in gaa sports?

Cos itís a soccer solution to end a GAA contest, and a completely shit soccer solution at that.

Hate seeing stuff like this.
Extra time in itself is a 'soccer solution' then if your going to use that, what a load of garbage. Get off your high horse!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 05, 2019, 11:22:02 AM
That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?

The idea earlier is not a bad one - 2 scores in a row to win.

Would be shite for a team playing into a gale - but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

Whatever rule is used someone will complain about it! The current set up is unfair as the Donegal champions got and extra game to win it in normal time, while others had to play out in one day
The club schedule in september and october is intense.
Naomh Conaills had to play 3 games to win their county championship, that schedule coming into the the Ulster club sfc was no advantage.
At least in the Ulster Club SFC  with the penalty shoot out, each winning team will have the same vantage (two weeks) going into the semi final.

The penalty shoot was used in the early rounds of the Monaghan sfc but each losing team had a back door entry into the next round.

Cargin had a draw and replay that went to extra time, they had to play following week against Derrygonnelly ( who beat the best club team in Ireland  ;D ) when they clearly had players injured or not able to be at their best to play in the first round.

Had they received another week  to rest up theyíd have been in a better position. Itís down to the county to allow games to be finished, with a view for the allowances of drawn games

Who told you that load of rubbish
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 05, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?

The idea earlier is not a bad one - 2 scores in a row to win.

Would be shite for a team playing into a gale - but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

Whatever rule is used someone will complain about it! The current set up is unfair as the Donegal champions got and extra game to win it in normal time, while others had to play out in one day
The club schedule in september and october is intense.
Naomh Conaills had to play 3 games to win their county championship, that schedule coming into the the Ulster club sfc was no advantage.
At least in the Ulster Club SFC  with the penalty shoot out, each winning team will have the same vantage (two weeks) going into the semi final.

The penalty shoot was used in the early rounds of the Monaghan sfc but each losing team had a back door entry into the next round.

Cargin had a draw and replay that went to extra time, they had to play following week against Derrygonnelly ( who beat the best club team in Ireland  ;D ) when they clearly had players injured or not able to be at their best to play in the first round.

Had they received another week  to rest up theyíd have been in a better position. Itís down to the county to allow games to be finished, with a view for the allowances of drawn games

No disrespect, but counties such as Antrim and Derry and even Donegal this year, shouldn't have them problems of championships running too long.. The county teams were finished in the middle of the summer, what was stopping them starting the championship then? Or are they purposely starting them to allow the winners to be in competitive mode come the Ulster championship? Surely 3 weeks between a county final and a first rounder in Ulster wouldn't put players in Limbo mode
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 05, 2019, 02:19:19 PM
Tyrone clubs have a dire record in Ulster Club championship, it would make you question the strength of their club football. I think this is one of the poorest Ulster club championships quality wise and Kilcoo will never have a better opportunity to win it than they have this year.   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on November 05, 2019, 02:55:40 PM
Yellowcard not againÖ..

Not so much the poorest, prob the most open, that sounds a bit right?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2019, 02:58:05 PM
That aside, there is no answer to the the draws, 2 periods of extra time, then goes to a replay and then another 2 periods of extra time before penalties?

The idea earlier is not a bad one - 2 scores in a row to win.

Would be shite for a team playing into a gale - but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

Whatever rule is used someone will complain about it! The current set up is unfair as the Donegal champions got and extra game to win it in normal time, while others had to play out in one day
The club schedule in september and october is intense.
Naomh Conaills had to play 3 games to win their county championship, that schedule coming into the the Ulster club sfc was no advantage.
At least in the Ulster Club SFC  with the penalty shoot out, each winning team will have the same vantage (two weeks) going into the semi final.

The penalty shoot was used in the early rounds of the Monaghan sfc but each losing team had a back door entry into the next round.

Cargin had a draw and replay that went to extra time, they had to play following week against Derrygonnelly ( who beat the best club team in Ireland  ;D ) when they clearly had players injured or not able to be at their best to play in the first round.

Had they received another week  to rest up theyíd have been in a better position. Itís down to the county to allow games to be finished, with a view for the allowances of drawn games

Who told you that load of rubbish

He's having a hard time figuring out the difference between best club team in Ulster and best county championship in Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: The Trap on November 05, 2019, 03:23:21 PM
Watched the highlights of all the games on BBC IPlayer - first of all great coverage.
Clontibret just about to deserved to win but got lucky with a couple of frees. Very impressed with their midfield and ODowd at 11.
Kilcoo had a purple patch after half time that gave them a cushion. In the highlights all the big calls seemed to go their way and that was unlucky on the underdogs who were already up against it. Hurson and McQuillan are 2 of the top refs in Ireland but both had bad days.
The Jones, all 3 of them, were fantastic for Derrygonnelly and they had a never say die attitude to come back in normal time and extra time. Trillick really should have put the game away a couple of times but inexperience cost them. Maybe that is the Tyrone clubs problem in this competition, none of them get back to it year after year like the other counties.
Fair play to the Glenties boys, what a week they put in.......they would be my favourites to win it now though all four will fancy their chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 05, 2019, 03:27:56 PM
Yellowcard not againÖ..

Not so much the poorest, prob the most open, that sounds a bit right?

Well, I just donít see any one great side left in the competition in terms of it producing the Sll Ireland champions. I predict a Kilcoo v Naomh Conaill final but both of those sides would be resilient dogged sides rather than being great footballing teams.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on November 05, 2019, 03:39:00 PM
Corofin and Dr Crokes miles ahead of ulster at present. Probably dublin champions too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Mikhailov on November 05, 2019, 05:12:43 PM
The key to victory more often than not in provincial championship is experience. Just take a look at all the teams mentioned in the last few pages and they all have vast experience in their respective provincial championship series - Crokes, Corofin, Cross, Derrygonnelly, Kilcoo, Ballyboden. To a lesser extent Naomh Conaill and Clontibret but these 2 have consistently reached finals within their own county. Yes of course, a team can come from nowhere to win it but not often. The likes of Cargin, Magherafelt, Trillick etc need to get there for a few seasons on the trot but they canít even get out of their own county again to do that. Fair play to the teams that win their own county consistently - they deserve a provincial title if they get it but they are not easy won.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Minus15 on November 05, 2019, 08:47:13 PM
How about settling the game the way the Ladies hockey was decided the other night. Players attacking from the 50 one on one with a time limit. Or my preference would be 3 attacks each, 2 forwards attacking 2 defenders and GK. Goals only and no time limit. Would be great to watch imo
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 05, 2019, 10:03:32 PM
How about settling the game the way the Ladies hockey was decided the other night. Players attacking from the 50 one on one with a time limit. Or my preference would be 3 attacks each, 2 forwards attacking 2 defenders and GK. Goals only and no time limit. Would be great to watch imo

Rubbish... sure just constantly foul then till time elapsed
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
How about settling the game the way the Ladies hockey was decided the other night. Players attacking from the 50 one on one with a time limit. Or my preference would be 3 attacks each, 2 forwards attacking 2 defenders and GK. Goals only and no time limit. Would be great to watch imo

Rubbish... sure just constantly foul then till time elapsed

If they foul itís a free shot?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 05, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
How about settling the game the way the Ladies hockey was decided the other night. Players attacking from the 50 one on one with a time limit. Or my preference would be 3 attacks each, 2 forwards attacking 2 defenders and GK. Goals only and no time limit. Would be great to watch imo

Rubbish... sure just constantly foul then till time elapsed

If they foul itís a free shot?

Free shot?

Any foul = penalty kick (not penalty shot) would clear that right up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 05, 2019, 10:23:52 PM
How about settling the game the way the Ladies hockey was decided the other night. Players attacking from the 50 one on one with a time limit. Or my preference would be 3 attacks each, 2 forwards attacking 2 defenders and GK. Goals only and no time limit. Would be great to watch imo

Rubbish... sure just constantly foul then till time elapsed

Would you trust a GAA referee not to make a complete mess of it?
If they foul itís a free shot?

Free shot?

Any foul = penalty kick (not penalty shot) would clear that right up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 05, 2019, 10:53:26 PM
How about settling the game the way the Ladies hockey was decided the other night. Players attacking from the 50 one on one with a time limit. Or my preference would be 3 attacks each, 2 forwards attacking 2 defenders and GK. Goals only and no time limit. Would be great to watch imo

Rubbish... sure just constantly foul then till time elapsed

Would you trust a GAA referee not to make a complete mess of it?
If they foul itís a free shot?

Free shot?

Any foul = penalty kick (not penalty shot) would clear that right up.

Probably make a better fist of it than us trying to reply using "Quote" properly.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Minus15 on November 05, 2019, 11:16:03 PM
How about settling the game the way the Ladies hockey was decided the other night. Players attacking from the 50 one on one with a time limit. Or my preference would be 3 attacks each, 2 forwards attacking 2 defenders and GK. Goals only and no time limit. Would be great to watch imo

Rubbish... sure just constantly foul then till time elapsed

Read what I said again.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Last Caress on November 06, 2019, 08:20:04 AM
Double header in the Athletic Grounds on the 17th.
Pitch was in poor condition for the Cross v Clontibret game.
This Sundays fixtures for that venue have been moved.
Considering the time of year can the condition improve in that short time?
I doubt it...........
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Mikhailov on November 06, 2019, 08:51:13 AM
Watched the highlights show last night on BBC Sport NI Twitter link - great coverage and well done to all concerned. Should be a regular idea for club championship even before it gets to the Ulster stage. Surely county finals and big games could be shown on a regular basis.

On another point, the supposed 2 best referees in Ulster (Hurson and McQuillan) had very poor games, some ridiculous decisions in both games.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: seafoid on November 06, 2019, 09:12:38 AM
Corofin and Dr Crokes miles ahead of ulster at present. Probably dublin champions too.
Corofin won't be going forever. Whoever wins Ulster this year could start a tradition. Gaoth Dobhair will return as well at some stage. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 06, 2019, 09:23:11 AM
Corofin and Dr Crokes miles ahead of ulster at present. Probably dublin champions too.
Corofin won't be going forever. Whoever wins Ulster this year could start a tradition. Gaoth Dobhair will return as well at some stage.
How could a tradition be started? The only team (out of the remaining) that has been to an ulster final in the last five years (and lost) is Kilcoo.. So I am struggling to see how a tradition could be started?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on November 06, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
Corofin and Dr Crokes miles ahead of ulster at present. Probably dublin champions too.
Corofin won't be going forever. Whoever wins Ulster this year could start a tradition. Gaoth Dobhair will return as well at some stage.

They'll be going for a while yet though. There's not the football in any of the ulster teams left that there is in corofin. Although I guess if it was brought to enough of a dogfight in bad weather then something could happen.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: cornerback on November 06, 2019, 09:53:01 AM
The key to victory more often than not in provincial championship is experience. Just take a look at all the teams mentioned in the last few pages and they all have vast experience in their respective provincial championship series - Crokes, Corofin, Cross, Derrygonnelly, Kilcoo, Ballyboden. To a lesser extent Naomh Conaill and Clontibret but these 2 have consistently reached finals within their own county. Yes of course, a team can come from nowhere to win it but not often. The likes of Cargin, Magherafelt, Trillick etc need to get there for a few seasons on the trot but they canít even get out of their own county again to do that. Fair play to the teams that win their own county consistently - they deserve a provincial title if they get it but they are not easy won.

I agree with that to a certain extent but ulster is littered with champions that have little or no experience of competing at that level:
Gaoth Dobhair 2018
Slaughtneil 2014
Loup 2003
Ballinderry 2001
Dungiven 1997
Crossmaglen 1996
Mullaghbawn 1995
Bellaghy 1994
Errigal Ciaran 1993
So in the past 25 years a third of the champions have "came from nowhere"

Then you have the clubs that have gained plenty of experience at ulster club level but haven't had the breakthrough
Cargin
Scotstown
St Eunan's
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Roslea
Enniskillen Gaels
Derrygonnelly
Castleblayney (post '91 team)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: seafoid on November 06, 2019, 10:55:32 AM
Corofin and Dr Crokes miles ahead of ulster at present. Probably dublin champions too.
Corofin won't be going forever. Whoever wins Ulster this year could start a tradition. Gaoth Dobhair will return as well at some stage.
How could a tradition be started? The only team (out of the remaining) that has been to an ulster final in the last five years (and lost) is Kilcoo.. So I am struggling to see how a tradition could be started?
It happens all the time in every sport.
They all have to start somewhere,
Cross won their first all Ireland in 97
Corofin in 98. They didn't know at the time that they would win multiple all Irelands.
Maybe Kilcoo aren't good enough. Let's see 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on November 06, 2019, 11:09:19 AM
They have shown time and again they aren't. That cross team didn't take years to win it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Angelo on November 06, 2019, 11:36:05 AM
The key to victory more often than not in provincial championship is experience. Just take a look at all the teams mentioned in the last few pages and they all have vast experience in their respective provincial championship series - Crokes, Corofin, Cross, Derrygonnelly, Kilcoo, Ballyboden. To a lesser extent Naomh Conaill and Clontibret but these 2 have consistently reached finals within their own county. Yes of course, a team can come from nowhere to win it but not often. The likes of Cargin, Magherafelt, Trillick etc need to get there for a few seasons on the trot but they canít even get out of their own county again to do that. Fair play to the teams that win their own county consistently - they deserve a provincial title if they get it but they are not easy won.

I agree with that to a certain extent but ulster is littered with champions that have little or no experience of competing at that level:
Gaoth Dobhair 2018
Slaughtneil 2014
Loup 2003
Ballinderry 2001
Dungiven 1997
Crossmaglen 1996
Mullaghbawn 1995
Bellaghy 1994
Errigal Ciaran 1993
So in the past 25 years a third of the champions have "came from nowhere"

Then you have the clubs that have gained plenty of experience at ulster club level but haven't had the breakthrough
Cargin
Scotstown
St Eunan's
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Roslea
Enniskillen Gaels
Derrygonnelly
Castleblayney (post '91 team)


I think you need to view it in context. A lot of those champions won in periods where there weren't any dominant teams in Ulster so things were on a fairly even playing field. Experience is a massive advantage at provincial level.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: square_ball on November 06, 2019, 11:50:27 AM
Experience is overrated.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Main Street on November 06, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
How about settling the game the way the Ladies hockey was decided the other night. Players attacking from the 50 one on one with a time limit. Or my preference would be 3 attacks each, 2 forwards attacking 2 defenders and GK. Goals only and no time limit. Would be great to watch imo
Back in mid 70s in the days of Pele and the MLS, drawn games were settled by a similar shoot out, a  player "would start at the 35-yard line and attempt his shot within five seconds".  Franz Beckenbauer, with no little contempt for this modification never mind the indignity of the task, strolled up to the ball and whacked it straight into the back of the net.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 07, 2019, 10:05:29 AM
The key to victory more often than not in provincial championship is experience. Just take a look at all the teams mentioned in the last few pages and they all have vast experience in their respective provincial championship series - Crokes, Corofin, Cross, Derrygonnelly, Kilcoo, Ballyboden. To a lesser extent Naomh Conaill and Clontibret but these 2 have consistently reached finals within their own county. Yes of course, a team can come from nowhere to win it but not often. The likes of Cargin, Magherafelt, Trillick etc need to get there for a few seasons on the trot but they canít even get out of their own county again to do that. Fair play to the teams that win their own county consistently - they deserve a provincial title if they get it but they are not easy won.


exactly, Magherafelt and Trillick would be extremely fortunate to make it out of there counties again next year or the following
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: shark on November 07, 2019, 10:33:23 AM
The key to victory more often than not in provincial championship is experience. Just take a look at all the teams mentioned in the last few pages and they all have vast experience in their respective provincial championship series - Crokes, Corofin, Cross, Derrygonnelly, Kilcoo, Ballyboden. To a lesser extent Naomh Conaill and Clontibret but these 2 have consistently reached finals within their own county. Yes of course, a team can come from nowhere to win it but not often. The likes of Cargin, Magherafelt, Trillick etc need to get there for a few seasons on the trot but they canít even get out of their own county again to do that. Fair play to the teams that win their own county consistently - they deserve a provincial title if they get it but they are not easy won.

I agree with that to a certain extent but ulster is littered with champions that have little or no experience of competing at that level:
Gaoth Dobhair 2018
Slaughtneil 2014
Loup 2003
Ballinderry 2001
Dungiven 1997
Crossmaglen 1996
Mullaghbawn 1995
Bellaghy 1994
Errigal Ciaran 1993
So in the past 25 years a third of the champions have "came from nowhere"

Then you have the clubs that have gained plenty of experience at ulster club level but haven't had the breakthrough
Cargin
Scotstown
St Eunan's
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Roslea
Enniskillen Gaels
Derrygonnelly
Castleblayney (post '91 team)


I think you need to view it in context. A lot of those champions won in periods where there weren't any dominant teams in Ulster so things were on a fairly even playing field. Experience is a massive advantage at provincial level.

In Leinster, if you exclude Dublin champions, you have to go back to the early 00ís to find a team that won from nowhere. That is unlikely to change this year as we are looking at Ballyboden and Portlaoise as the two heavy favourites. Outside bet would be Garrycastle - another experienced provincial player.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 07, 2019, 11:04:45 AM
Corofin and Dr Crokes miles ahead of ulster at present. Probably dublin champions too.
Corofin won't be going forever. Whoever wins Ulster this year could start a tradition. Gaoth Dobhair will return as well at some stage.
How could a tradition be started? The only team (out of the remaining) that has been to an ulster final in the last five years (and lost) is Kilcoo.. So I am struggling to see how a tradition could be started?
It happens all the time in every sport.
They all have to start somewhere,
Cross won their first all Ireland in 97
Corofin in 98. They didn't know at the time that they would win multiple all Irelands.
Maybe Kilcoo aren't good enough. Let's see

Kilcoo will give it a good rattle this year
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Estimator on November 07, 2019, 11:49:45 AM
The key to victory more often than not in provincial championship is experience. Just take a look at all the teams mentioned in the last few pages and they all have vast experience in their respective provincial championship series - Crokes, Corofin, Cross, Derrygonnelly, Kilcoo, Ballyboden. To a lesser extent Naomh Conaill and Clontibret but these 2 have consistently reached finals within their own county. Yes of course, a team can come from nowhere to win it but not often. The likes of Cargin, Magherafelt, Trillick etc need to get there for a few seasons on the trot but they canít even get out of their own county again to do that. Fair play to the teams that win their own county consistently - they deserve a provincial title if they get it but they are not easy won.

I agree with that to a certain extent but ulster is littered with champions that have little or no experience of competing at that level:
Gaoth Dobhair 2018
Slaughtneil 2014
Loup 2003
Ballinderry 2001
Dungiven 1997
Crossmaglen 1996
Mullaghbawn 1995
Bellaghy 1994
Errigal Ciaran 1993
So in the past 25 years a third of the champions have "came from nowhere"

Then you have the clubs that have gained plenty of experience at ulster club level but haven't had the breakthrough
Cargin
Scotstown
St Eunan's
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Roslea
Enniskillen Gaels
Derrygonnelly
Castleblayney (post '91 team)


I think you need to view it in context. A lot of those champions won in periods where there weren't any dominant teams in Ulster so things were on a fairly even playing field. Experience is a massive advantage at provincial level.

In Leinster, if you exclude Dublin champions, you have to go back to the early 00ís to find a team that won from nowhere. That is unlikely to change this year as we are looking at Ballyboden and Portlaoise as the two heavy favourites. Outside bet would be Garrycastle - another experienced provincial player.

By taking out the Dublin teams, you are not showing the full storyÖ

St Vincentís won Leinster in 2007, after winning their first Dublin title in over 20yrs.

Mullinalaghtaís victory last year was a complete shock.  Theyíd won back to back county titles, but they werenít considered favourites or close to it for the Leinster title.

Ballyboden have only won 4 county titles, their victory in Leinster (2015), was after their 3rd county title, 6yrs after their second.

Ballymunís victory (2012), was won after their third county title, their previous victory in the County Cíship was in 1985.

St Brigidís victory (2003) was won after their first county title.

And of those Dublin Clubs listed above, only St Vincentís could really be regarded as a powerhouse, having won 28 titles. The other 3 Dublin clubs listed have a total of 9 titles between them.

With the likes of Kilmacud Crokes, Moorefield and Portlaoise, it could be argued that theyíd a period of relative success within their respective counties, before winning a Leinster title.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: shark on November 07, 2019, 12:09:57 PM
The key to victory more often than not in provincial championship is experience. Just take a look at all the teams mentioned in the last few pages and they all have vast experience in their respective provincial championship series - Crokes, Corofin, Cross, Derrygonnelly, Kilcoo, Ballyboden. To a lesser extent Naomh Conaill and Clontibret but these 2 have consistently reached finals within their own county. Yes of course, a team can come from nowhere to win it but not often. The likes of Cargin, Magherafelt, Trillick etc need to get there for a few seasons on the trot but they canít even get out of their own county again to do that. Fair play to the teams that win their own county consistently - they deserve a provincial title if they get it but they are not easy won.

I agree with that to a certain extent but ulster is littered with champions that have little or no experience of competing at that level:
Gaoth Dobhair 2018
Slaughtneil 2014
Loup 2003
Ballinderry 2001
Dungiven 1997
Crossmaglen 1996
Mullaghbawn 1995
Bellaghy 1994
Errigal Ciaran 1993
So in the past 25 years a third of the champions have "came from nowhere"

Then you have the clubs that have gained plenty of experience at ulster club level but haven't had the breakthrough
Cargin
Scotstown
St Eunan's
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Roslea
Enniskillen Gaels
Derrygonnelly
Castleblayney (post '91 team)


I think you need to view it in context. A lot of those champions won in periods where there weren't any dominant teams in Ulster so things were on a fairly even playing field. Experience is a massive advantage at provincial level.

In Leinster, if you exclude Dublin champions, you have to go back to the early 00ís to find a team that won from nowhere. That is unlikely to change this year as we are looking at Ballyboden and Portlaoise as the two heavy favourites. Outside bet would be Garrycastle - another experienced provincial player.

By taking out the Dublin teams, you are not showing the full storyÖ

St Vincentís won Leinster in 2007, after winning their first Dublin title in over 20yrs.

Mullinalaghtaís victory last year was a complete shock.  Theyíd won back to back county titles, but they werenít considered favourites or close to it for the Leinster title.

Ballyboden have only won 4 county titles, their victory in Leinster (2015), was after their 3rd county title, 6yrs after their second.

Ballymunís victory (2012), was won after their third county title, their previous victory in the County Cíship was in 1985.

St Brigidís victory (2003) was won after their first county title.

And of those Dublin Clubs listed above, only St Vincentís could really be regarded as a powerhouse, having won 28 titles. The other 3 Dublin clubs listed have a total of 9 titles between them.

With the likes of Kilmacud Crokes, Moorefield and Portlaoise, it could be argued that theyíd a period of relative success within their respective counties, before winning a Leinster title.

I took out the Dublin teams as I believe what the likes of Ballymun and Brigid's have done can not be replicated in other Leinster counties. The Dublin championship has a huge depth in quality. Whoever wins it is automatically the Leinster favourite.

Mullinalaghta beating Crokes in the final last year was a shock. But the fact that they got to the final last year was not. In fact, if I search my post history I will find a prediction I made that they would do just that - prior to them even winning Longford. They were in their 3rd Leinster campaign in a row. They had learned from the previous two - especially 2017 where they blew a big lead against St.Loman's and lost by 1 point.

My point was, if you are a club from a Leinster county outside of Dublin, you'd want to be winning your county championship on at least a few occasions before Leinster is realistic.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 07, 2019, 12:24:57 PM
Experience is overrated.

That is just incorrect completely fella. This argument has been had on this already and nobody wants to see me prove that wrong again.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2019, 10:14:54 PM
Experience is overrated.

That is just incorrect completely fella. This argument has been had on this already and nobody wants to see me prove that wrong again.

Youíre right about nothing! Tyrone are the worst club teams in Ireland, even the Clare champions got to Croke Park!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 07, 2019, 10:30:42 PM
Corofin and Dr Crokes miles ahead of ulster at present. Probably dublin champions too.
Corofin won't be going forever. Whoever wins Ulster this year could start a tradition. Gaoth Dobhair will return as well at some stage.
How could a tradition be started? The only team (out of the remaining) that has been to an ulster final in the last five years (and lost) is Kilcoo.. So I am struggling to see how a tradition could be started?
It happens all the time in every sport.
They all have to start somewhere,
Cross won their first all Ireland in 97
Corofin in 98. They didn't know at the time that they would win multiple all Irelands.
Maybe Kilcoo aren't good enough. Let's see

Kilcoo will give it a good rattle this year

Last chance saloon for Kilcoo, they will certainly never get an easier draw.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 13, 2019, 01:56:20 PM
Predictions for the weekend, any man brave enough to call a few
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: skeog on November 13, 2019, 07:44:15 PM
Glenties and Derrygonnelly final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 13, 2019, 09:50:57 PM
Glenties v Kilcoo final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2019, 10:08:55 PM
Glenties v Kilcoo final.

Can we not have Trilick v Errigal CiarŠn Final? Just so that Ulster can win the club series?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 13, 2019, 10:20:23 PM
9 times out of 10 Kilcoo should win, but something tells me Derrygonnelly are going to win this. So, Derrygonnelly by 1. (0-10 to 0-9)

Naomh Conaill by 2 AET (0-14 to 0-12)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 13, 2019, 10:22:14 PM
Kilcoo will beat Derrygonnelly out the gate.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 13, 2019, 10:30:56 PM
Glenties v Kilcoo final.

Can we not have Trilick v Errigal CiarŠn Final? Just so that Ulster can win the club series?


Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2019, 10:37:21 PM
Glenties v Kilcoo final.

Can we not have Trilick v Errigal CiarŠn Final? Just so that Ulster can win the club series?




I know, Iím messing ffs!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 13, 2019, 10:46:23 PM
I know, Iím messing ffs!

I believe that among the legal fraternity, that is known as "The Tony Fearon Defence".
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Ambrose on November 13, 2019, 10:51:25 PM
9 times out of 10 Kilcoo should win, but something tells me Derrygonnelly are going to win this. So, Derrygonnelly by 1. (0-10 to 0-9)

Naomh Conaill by 2 AET (0-14 to 0-12)

Kilcoo rarely lose tight games.

Kilcoo v Glenties Final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 14, 2019, 01:52:09 PM
Kilcoo will beat Derrygonnelly out the gate.

Just like trillick were going to??
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 14, 2019, 02:19:49 PM
Kilcoo will beat Derrygonnelly out the gate.

Just like trillick were going to??

I watched them against Trillick, it was a great end to end game for us neutrals, however they will not be able to play like that against Kilcoo who will suffocate the life out of them and dispatch of them quite comfortably.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 11:55:21 AM
Going to go for a Clontibret Kilcoo final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 11:56:47 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/50424465

you love to see it

Hon derrygonnelly
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: downjim on November 15, 2019, 12:00:20 PM
I think most people would like to see Derrygonnelly win, no place in the GAA for Kilcooís antics
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: champion1981 on November 16, 2019, 07:37:13 AM
I think most people would like to see Derrygonnelly win, no place in the GAA for Kilcooís antics
says a burren man 🙈🤣
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: champion1981 on November 16, 2019, 07:42:04 AM
9 times out of 10 Kilcoo should win, but something tells me Derrygonnelly are going to win this. So, Derrygonnelly by 1. (0-10 to 0-9) think kilcoo will get goals against derrygonnelly so kilcoo by 5 ,

Naomh Conaill by 2 AET (0-14 to 0-12)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Last Caress on November 16, 2019, 08:26:51 AM
Clontibret & Kilcoo to win
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2019, 12:35:30 PM
Clontibret & Kilcoo to win

I fancy clontribret, if they start like they did v Cross then theyíll be in a good place, hopefully the Glenties doctor has them fighting fit  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Schkite on November 16, 2019, 01:50:28 PM
I figure we'll have to be alot more patient in attack than what we've been used to - I haven't watched Glenties in a good while but it sounds like they'll be a fair bit more defensive than either Scotstown or Cross. But that'll be no secret when it comes tonight, I trust John and the backroom team have a good plan in place, hopefully it's enough. Won't be one for the purists I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
On live on RTE tomorrow
Other one live tonight on TG4
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 16, 2019, 03:19:56 PM
Excited and nervous for tomorrows game. Hopefully our men are able to get the performance required but we are taking nothing for granted and Derrygonnelly will be very tough opposition.

#UTM
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: rodney trotter on November 16, 2019, 07:17:37 PM
Glenties much the better team so far. Clontibret very reliant on McManus
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on November 16, 2019, 07:50:54 PM
This isnít really a fantastic spectacle is it...

Nc much better outfit all round. At the minute anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2019, 07:55:30 PM
The break did Naomh Conaill good. Clontibret's big men need to turn up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on November 16, 2019, 07:57:57 PM
Clontibret starting to come back in to it now. Have been disappointed with them so far.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2019, 08:02:39 PM
This isnít really a fantastic spectacle is it...

Nc much better outfit all round. At the minute anyway.

For a club match in middle of November it's not actually too bad
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: J70 on November 16, 2019, 08:04:25 PM
Glenties county men playing well. Leo and Tony Thompson especially. Couple of great points from Ciaran Thompson too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: J70 on November 16, 2019, 08:19:43 PM
Well deserved win for the Glenties men
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2019, 08:26:38 PM
Well deserved win for the Glenties men
They must have a decent chance in the Ulster final. They are super organised and fit.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: J70 on November 16, 2019, 08:35:48 PM
Well deserved win for the Glenties men
They must have a decent chance in the Ulster final. They are super organised and fit.

Always hard to know with club football, but they should go in with plenty of belief. Especially having beaten Gaoth Dobhair and now making final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2019, 09:02:18 PM
I have listened to their last 3 matches on Raidio nŠ Gaeltachta and they are impressive.
Winning the province is very hard though.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: yellowcard on November 17, 2019, 09:37:19 AM
Glenties are a horrible team to play against very well organised and will be very hard to beat. If its them and Kilcoo in the final it will be an absolute slugfest.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 17, 2019, 11:01:36 AM
Glenties are a horrible team to play against very well organised and will be very hard to beat. If its them and Kilcoo in the final it will be an absolute slugfest.

Wouldnít be one for the purists thatís for sure.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Schkite on November 17, 2019, 02:26:32 PM
Very disappointing result last night, but we could have no complaints. We just didn't perform anywhere near our best and you couldn't expect to win a provincial semi playing like that. Glenties came out flying out of the blocks and took some nice scores. And once we went 6-1 down to a team as defensively organised as they are, it was always going to be a uphill battle. They were just up to the pitch of the game straight away, and didn't let that drop for the full game. Very impressive effort.

It's just disappointing after we had two big wins against teams like Scotstown and Cross, that we didn't carry that level of performance forward, but the truth is we weren't let. A few lads upped their game in the 2nd half and took the game to Glenties, but at that stage it was too little, too late. Alot of lads didn't do themselves justice last night compared to how they've performed before, alot of sloppy mistakes and giving the ball away in attack( especially in the second half), but again you'd have to credit the Glenties defence there.

Truth is, at the end of last season, being within a game of the Ulster final seemed miles off. A county title was great success for us this year, and the many young lads in the team will be all the better for it going forward, but it was an open Ulster club, and Glenties came out and took their chance. They have a good shot in the final, very organized and awful tough to play against.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 17, 2019, 03:34:07 PM
Dungannon lost to St Endaís on penalties. Feckiní penalties In an Ulster final. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Throw ball on November 17, 2019, 03:37:42 PM
Glenties are a horrible team to play against very well organised and will be very hard to beat. If its them and Kilcoo in the final it will be an absolute slugfest.

Looking a fair possibility with Kilcoo playing into the 'scoring end' in the second. Watching last night and now if Kilcoo win can they ban cameras from the final and just post the result.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Throw ball on November 17, 2019, 03:38:39 PM
Dungannon lost to St Endaís on penalties. Feckiní penalties In an Ulster final. Disgraceful.

Doesn't feel right I agree
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2019, 03:40:59 PM
Dungannon lost to St Endaís on penalties. Feckiní penalties In an Ulster final. Disgraceful.

Doesn't feel right I agree

Feels alright for St Endaís though
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Targetman on November 17, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
Canít see Kilcoo losing this now
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 17, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Good reffing there regards keeper and steps.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Throw ball on November 17, 2019, 04:27:23 PM
Derrygonnelly will be kicking themselves. They kicked some wides.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 17, 2019, 04:30:03 PM
All this boy wants to talk about is sheep
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 17, 2019, 04:30:35 PM
An interesting enough final quarter. Just mass and a few sheep in Kilcoo. Won't put it past Mickey Moran leading his team to yet another provincial title.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Nanderson on November 17, 2019, 04:38:31 PM
All this boy wants to talk about is sheep
well his family are sheppards
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 17, 2019, 05:13:07 PM
There wonít be a sheep milked in Kilcoo for a week.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on November 17, 2019, 10:08:09 PM
Only saw the clip once but was there a serious amount of steps for the kilcoo goal?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Esmarelda on November 17, 2019, 10:09:14 PM
Only saw the clip once but was there a serious amount of steps for the kilcoo goal?
Thought that myself. There was a hop at the start but reckon he took 6/7 steps. But, like you, only saw it once.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: marty34 on November 17, 2019, 10:31:29 PM
Only saw the clip once but was there a serious amount of steps for the kilcoo goal?
Thought that myself. There was a hop at the start but reckon he took 6/7 steps. But, like you, only saw it once.

Yeah.  Refs need to clamp down on the steps run.

Either that or make the rule offically 6 steps...which everybody does anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2019, 11:04:21 PM
Only saw the clip once but was there a serious amount of steps for the kilcoo goal?
Thought that myself. There was a hop at the start but reckon he took 6/7 steps. But, like you, only saw it once.

Yeah.  Refs need to clamp down on the steps run.

Either that or make the rule offically 6 steps...which everybody does anyway.

That could have been Hughes get out had he blown for steps leading up to that goal, some refs still give extra steps due to a player being held but he clearly ran 7 steps
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: under the bar on November 17, 2019, 11:34:31 PM
Only saw the clip once but was there a serious amount of steps for the kilcoo goal?
Thought that myself. There was a hop at the start but reckon he took 6/7 steps. But, like you, only saw it once.

Yeah.  Refs need to clamp down on the steps run.

Either that or make the rule offically 6 steps...which everybody does anyway.

But then it will become 8/9 as the norm
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 18, 2019, 10:29:38 AM
Sticking to my guns, Glenties or kilcoo wouldnt have made it out of tyrone
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2019, 10:56:30 AM
Sticking to my guns, Glenties or kilcoo wouldnt have made it out of tyrone

FFS, You's couldn't make it out of Fermanagh!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: FermGael on November 18, 2019, 01:01:44 PM
Derrygonnelly missed a serious chance to get to an Ulster club final yesterday.

Kilcoo were there for the taking.  Derrygonnelly completely dominated around the middle and their back 6 kept the dangerous Kilcoo forward line very quiet ( apart from the goal where they switched off). 
Up front though was a different story.  They just lacked composure and took some very poor shots on and missed some very straight forward ones.  I couldn't help think that if they had Michael Gylnn available (he played in the Hogan winning St Michael's team last year and is their captain this year) they would have won.  His free taking alone would probably have got them another two or three points.  Again the rule that prevents under 17s from playing senior football prevented them from doing this.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on November 18, 2019, 05:46:39 PM
Derrygonnelly missed a serious chance to get to an Ulster club final yesterday.

Kilcoo were there for the taking.  Derrygonnelly completely dominated around the middle and their back 6 kept the dangerous Kilcoo forward line very quiet ( apart from the goal where they switched off). 
Up front though was a different story.  They just lacked composure and took some very poor shots on and missed some very straight forward ones.  I couldn't help think that if they had Michael Gylnn available (he played in the Hogan winning St Michael's team last year and is their captain this year) they would have won.  His free taking alone would probably have got them another two or three points.  Again the rule that prevents under 17s from playing senior football prevented them from doing this.

Twas a horror show as regards the free-taking.
The other horror moment for me was the Kilcoo goal  - so many of the Derrygonnelly players switched off and were more focused on complaining to the ref.
Made it very easy for Kilcoo to take the quick free to the player free in acres of space and nab the goal  - that goal was the key score for me - any team that make as basic a mistake as that in a game can have few complaints in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: champion1981 on November 18, 2019, 09:56:10 PM
Derrygonnelly missed a serious chance to get to an Ulster club final yesterday.

Kilcoo were there for the taking.  Derrygonnelly completely dominated around the middle and their back 6 kept the dangerous Kilcoo forward line very quiet ( apart from the goal where they switched off). 
Up front though was a different story.  They just lacked composure and took some very poor shots on and missed some very straight forward ones.  I couldn't help think that if they had Michael Gylnn available (he played in the Hogan winning St Michael's team last year and is their captain this year) they would have won.  His free taking alone would probably have got them another two or three points.  Again the rule that prevents under 17s from playing senior football prevented them from doing this.
if kilcoo had darragh o Hanlon and young Doherty playing they would of won by more!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2019, 10:08:55 PM
Derrygonnelly missed a serious chance to get to an Ulster club final yesterday.

Kilcoo were there for the taking.  Derrygonnelly completely dominated around the middle and their back 6 kept the dangerous Kilcoo forward line very quiet ( apart from the goal where they switched off). 
Up front though was a different story.  They just lacked composure and took some very poor shots on and missed some very straight forward ones.  I couldn't help think that if they had Michael Gylnn available (he played in the Hogan winning St Michael's team last year and is their captain this year) they would have won.  His free taking alone would probably have got them another two or three points.  Again the rule that prevents under 17s from playing senior football prevented them from doing this.
if kilcoo had darragh o Hanlon and young Doherty playing they would of won by more!

And if your granny had balls... stupid points. The best team won, just about
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 19, 2019, 11:49:16 AM
Derrygonnelly missed a serious chance to get to an Ulster club final yesterday.

Kilcoo were there for the taking.  Derrygonnelly completely dominated around the middle and their back 6 kept the dangerous Kilcoo forward line very quiet ( apart from the goal where they switched off). 
Up front though was a different story.  They just lacked composure and took some very poor shots on and missed some very straight forward ones.  I couldn't help think that if they had Michael Gylnn available (he played in the Hogan winning St Michael's team last year and is their captain this year) they would have won.  His free taking alone would probably have got them another two or three points.  Again the rule that prevents under 17s from playing senior football prevented them from doing this.
if kilcoo had darragh o Hanlon and young Doherty playing they would of won by more!

Young Doherty? whos he when hes at home or why was he not playing?
I know O hanlon still on the road back from them operations
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 19, 2019, 02:07:31 PM
Derrygonnelly missed a serious chance to get to an Ulster club final yesterday.

Kilcoo were there for the taking.  Derrygonnelly completely dominated around the middle and their back 6 kept the dangerous Kilcoo forward line very quiet ( apart from the goal where they switched off). 
Up front though was a different story.  They just lacked composure and took some very poor shots on and missed some very straight forward ones.  I couldn't help think that if they had Michael Gylnn available (he played in the Hogan winning St Michael's team last year and is their captain this year) they would have won.  His free taking alone would probably have got them another two or three points.  Again the rule that prevents under 17s from playing senior football prevented them from doing this.
if kilcoo had darragh o Hanlon and young Doherty playing they would of won by more!

Young Doherty? whos he when hes at home or why was he not playing?
I know O hanlon still on the road back from them operations

Heís like a mini Laverty.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: greatpoint on November 19, 2019, 05:09:49 PM
Sticking to my guns, Glenties or kilcoo wouldnt have made it out of tyrone

Yet another Tyrone parody account?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 19, 2019, 10:59:56 PM
The final has been fixed for Healy Park in Omagh on Sunday, December 1. What sort of shape is the pitch going to be in there ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: barelegs on November 20, 2019, 12:07:17 AM
The final has been fixed for Healy Park in Omagh on Sunday, December 1. What sort of shape is the pitch going to be in there ?

Well it was immaculate when taking two games on it on Saturday night, so barring a fortnight of rain fairly good....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 20, 2019, 11:17:59 AM
Sticking to my guns, Glenties or kilcoo wouldnt have made it out of tyrone

Yet another Tyrone parody account?

Paraody?
Ive a right to my opinion, however yours is garbage
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Main Street on November 20, 2019, 12:15:53 PM
The final has been fixed for Healy Park in Omagh on Sunday, December 1. What sort of shape is the pitch going to be in there ?

Well it was immaculate when taking two games on it on Saturday night, so barring a fortnight of rain fairly good....
The pitch was muck for the 2018 final Gweedore v Scotstown. A particular memory is of a late Scotstown attack being thwarted after a perfect Conor McCarthy  crossfield kick pass landed dead in a pool of water.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: thebuzz on November 20, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
Sticking to my guns, Glenties or kilcoo wouldnt have made it out of tyrone

Yet another Tyrone parody account?

Paraody?
Ive a right to my opinion, however yours is garbage
Does that mean that Crossmaglen or Clontibret or Derrygonnelly wouldn't have got out of Tyrone either?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on November 20, 2019, 12:33:17 PM
Sticking to my guns, Glenties or kilcoo wouldnt have made it out of tyrone

FFS, You's couldn't make it out of Fermanagh!

This is a perfect response
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: toby47 on November 20, 2019, 12:56:00 PM
Tyrone club football has proven to be of a poor standard for many years now.

A brilliant club championship as there are many teams of similar standard. But the Tyrone teams aren't of good standard.

Omagh in 2014 were the only Tyrone team to make an Ulster final in the past 17 years.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 20, 2019, 01:31:29 PM
Tyrone club football has proven to be of a poor standard for many years now.

A brilliant club championship as there are many teams of similar standard. But the Tyrone teams aren't of good standard.

Omagh in 2014 were the only Tyrone team to make an Ulster final in the past 17 years.
Not the excuse for Trillick this year as I know they did prepare and take it serious but I think a lot of teams who win Tyrone fall into the celebration trap.. Coalisland definitely did last year
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: topofthesoil on November 20, 2019, 02:31:47 PM
Tyrone club football has proven to be of a poor standard for many years now.

A brilliant club championship as there are many teams of similar standard. But the Tyrone teams aren't of good standard.

Omagh in 2014 were the only Tyrone team to make an Ulster final in the past 17 years.

Incorrect
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: toby47 on November 20, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
Tyrone club football has proven to be of a poor standard for many years now.

A brilliant club championship as there are many teams of similar standard. But the Tyrone teams aren't of good standard.

Omagh in 2014 were the only Tyrone team to make an Ulster final in the past 17 years.

Incorrect

I beg to differ. And I like going to Tyrone championship matches. This was the first year in a long time I wasn't at any Tyrone championship games, and that was because I bought most of them to watch online.

However I like them because of the bite, and how evenly teams are matched. I really don't think the overall standard is great.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on November 20, 2019, 03:14:30 PM
Tyrone club football has proven to be of a poor standard for many years now.

A brilliant club championship as there are many teams of similar standard. But the Tyrone teams aren't of good standard.

Omagh in 2014 were the only Tyrone team to make an Ulster final in the past 17 years.
Not the excuse for Trillick this year as I know they did prepare and take it serious but I think a lot of teams who win Tyrone fall into the celebration trap.. Coalisland definitely did last year
They celebrate in every other county too you know?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
Post by: greatpoint on November 20, 2019, 03:18:12 PM
Sticking to my guns, Glenties or kilcoo wouldnt have made it out of tyrone

Yet another Tyrone parody account?

Paraody?
Ive a right to my opinion, however yours is garbage

J