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Title: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hereiam on August 12, 2019, 01:27:08 PM
Might as well get it up and running. Can only see a Dublin win here
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WhoDat on August 12, 2019, 01:34:13 PM
it'll be similar to the mayo match in that it'll be a competitive enough first half and then dublin will go for the jugular.  kerry might put up a bigger score than mayo because they have better forwards, but their defence won't be able to hold o'callaghan or mannion. I think fenton is better than moran and if they start mdma as well, kerry will be outgunned in the middle. can't see Dublin going into this game without a plan for clifford and o'shea as well
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
Make no mistake here, Kerry will give Dublin a right rattle here. Took them a bit of time to get going yesterday but they did and looked awsome.

Going to be great final, which i have pleasure of attending my 8th final this year( includes replay v Mayo).
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 01:42:09 PM
Make no mistake here, Kerry will give Dublin a right rattle here. Took them a bit of time to get going yesterday but they did and looked awsome.

Going to be great final, which i have pleasure of attending my 8th final this year( includes replay v Mayo).

No they won't and no it won't.  Might take my son in five years time to see Dublin's 10 in a row, ill start saving now, probably be 300 euro a ticket!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 01:43:05 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 01:45:43 PM
No way kerry will put it up to dubs. It will go something like this-close game for 35-45 minutes, dubs step it up and blow kerry defence apart. All pundits will fawn over dublin and say what s wonderful final it was.

Given the ref had to give kerry 5-6 points from non fouls yesterday to beat tyrone there is no way in hell they get those calls against the dubs.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
5 to 6 is gross exaggeration. I rewatched it and I would say 2.

On the rest I would say you are right. I would expect at some point Dublin will dominate as Tyrone did but will make it count on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2019, 01:58:03 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.

Not a canter but was fairly comfortable but that was the only one in their last 7 finals:

2011 Kerry - 1 point
2013 Mayo - 1 point
2015 Kerry - 3 points
2016 Mayo - Draw
2016 Mayo - 1 point
2017 Mayo - 1 point
2018 - Tyrone - 6 points

So an average winning margin of less than 2 points in AI finals. Anyone who thinks that the Dubs will win this match in a procession does not know football and has been sucked in by all of the hype. It will be a close contest and I think the Dubs are likely winners but they are not playing some dog and duck outfit and they have never produced their best in finals. Add in the pressure of going for 5 in a row and I would give Kerry a chance.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 02:12:51 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.

Agreed. That game was done at half time. Dubs strolled through the 2nd half and just upped the tempo after the red card to give Tyrone no hope.

If Kerry's defence struggled dealing with just McShane yesterday, how are they going to stop O'Callaghan and Mannion, never mind any of the other forwards. They were all over the place defensively and if Tyrone had pushed on towards the end of the 1st half they could have finished the game.

Dublin clearly ignored the league this year and the Mayo game was perfect test before the final in 3 weeks. All their top players are in form and no injuries to worry about. Kerry's only chance is a couple of early goals. If Dublin get a lead early it could be a long afternoon for Kerry players (many of whom will be appearing in an All Ireland final for the 1st time)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: J70 on August 12, 2019, 02:18:48 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.

Not a canter but was fairly comfortable but that was the only one in their last 7 finals:

2011 Kerry - 1 point
2013 Mayo - 1 point
2015 Kerry - 3 points
2016 Mayo - Draw
2016 Mayo - 1 point
2017 Mayo - 1 point
2018 - Tyrone - 6 points

So an average winning margin of less than 2 points in AI finals. Anyone who thinks that the Dubs will win this match in a procession does not know football and has been sucked in by all of the hype. It will be a close contest and I think the Dubs are likely winners but they are not playing some dog and duck outfit and they have never produced their best in finals. Add in the pressure of going for 5 in a row and I would give Kerry a chance.

I disagree.

I can see Kerry getting a total near 20 points, but I'll be surprised if Dublin don't end up scoring 3-20.

What was the highest scoring final to date?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2019, 02:26:21 PM
Kerry will need to win midfield and get 1 on 1s with our full back line.

Couple of selection dilemmas for Gavin:

O'Sullivan v Macauley
- Cian always plays really well against his parents' county. Looked sharp when he came on on Saturday. MDMA was his usual mix of power and unorthodoxy with that little bit of recklessness thrown in. Saw stats that said he had more possessions than any other Dub in the first half, and I did think at the time he was doing more than most to keep us in the contest at that time. We'll be weaker in the air if McCarthy starts midfield with Cian at 6, which might help give Kerry a foothold. But Cian will give a bit of added protection to the full back line and we'll have the wrecking ball as an impact sub.

Byrne v Fitzsimons v McMahon v Murchan (2 from 4)
- Most would rate Byrne 4th out of these, but formwise he's been the best this championship, and he doubled down on that on Saturday. Possibly his best game in a Dubs jersey. Fitz got a bit of a run around for a while v Carr (I was wondering for a while whether there was a deliberate policy to let them shoot rather than risk giving COC frees, but I don't think so!). Philly's a proven performer in All Ireland finals (and his chances of playing would increase if Tommy Walsh was starting), while Murchan might just be the ideal man to shackle Stephen O'Brien.   My guess is he'll stick with Byrne and Fitz, but it could be any 2.

I'd say Rory and Berno will be doing all they can over the next 2 weeks to try force themselves into the 26, but difficult to see any openings.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 02:30:39 PM
Would McCaffrey not be as well mark O'Brien then he's on the backfoot half the time?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 02:34:58 PM
Kerry will need to win midfield and get 1 on 1s with our full back line.

Couple of selection dilemmas for Gavin:

O'Sullivan v Macauley
- Cian always plays really well against his parents' county. Looked sharp when he came on on Saturday. MDMA was his usual mix of power and unorthodoxy with that little bit of recklessness thrown in. Saw stats that said he had more possessions than any other Dub in the first half, and I did think at the time he was doing more than most to keep us in the contest at that time. We'll be weaker in the air if McCarthy starts midfield with Cian at 6, which might help give Kerry a foothold. But Cian will give a bit of added protection to the full back line and we'll have the wrecking ball as an impact sub.

Byrne v Fitzsimons v McMahon v Murchan (2 from 4)
- Most would rate Byrne 4th out of these, but formwise he's been the best this championship, and he doubled down on that on Saturday. Possibly his best game in a Dubs jersey. Fitz got a bit of a run around for a while v Carr (I was wondering for a while whether there was a deliberate policy to let them shoot rather than risk giving COC frees, but I don't think so!). Philly's a proven performer in All Ireland finals (and his chances of playing would increase if Tommy Walsh was starting), while Murchan might just be the ideal man to shackle Stephen O'Brien.   My guess is he'll stick with Byrne and Fitz, but it could be any 2.

I'd say Rory and Berno will be doing all they can over the next 2 weeks to try force themselves into the 26, but difficult to see any openings.

Berno got hit with an elbow to the jaw at the end of the Tyrone game and it swelled up so much he wasn't considered for Sat. I think he would have made the bench only for that
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 12, 2019, 02:53:31 PM
Fancy Dublin to won by whatever they want IF they are motivated to do so. They got a test from Mayo (for a half at least) so won't be going in as undercooked into the final. I just don't see how Dublin aren't going to create a good scatter of clear goal chances against a defence that is more porous than Mayo's. Maybe if they are not as clinical and don't take them it might make the game relatively close for a good stretch. Dublin have a tendency to start slowly in these games before ramping it up so maybe Kerry can take advantage of that and get an early lead on them but either way I can only see one winner.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2019, 02:55:59 PM
Berno got hit with an elbow to the jaw at the end of the Tyrone game and it swelled up so much he wasn't considered for Sat. I think he would have made the bench only for that

Didnt hear that. Interesting.

Would McCaffrey not be as well mark O'Brien then he's on the backfoot half the time?
Hadn't considered that. Not sure how Jim will feel about Jack's lack of impact on Saturday, resulting from having to deal with Durcan all the time.
My guess is that Small will go on O'Brien, with Murchan replacing him after Small gets carded.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 03:15:31 PM
I was surprised how subdued McCaffrey was. He has been unmarkable all year and to me was clear favourite for POTY. I think if O'Brien was on the back foot then he would be less effective. Also if you make him defend he isn't the most disciplined so would probably get a card of some description.

Interesting assessment on Small lol but yeah he doesn't seem blessed with discipline.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 03:24:04 PM
5 to 6 is gross exaggeration. I rewatched it and I would say 2.

On the rest I would say you are right. I would expect at some point Dublin will dominate as Tyrone did but will make it count on the scoreboard.

Ah now there was 2 in the first half and 2 within the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half. Thats at least 4.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
the Geaney one start of second half and OShea one in second half. Not sure there were many more... McGeary gave away two in the same way which someone thought was harsh but they were both arm over the shoulder jobs.

Don't get me wrong I believe he did you no favours but he swung the game by a couple of points IMO and I honestly thought irrespective of him you should have won that game and really let it slip.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on August 12, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
Berno got hit with an elbow to the jaw at the end of the Tyrone game and it swelled up so much he wasn't considered for Sat. I think he would have made the bench only for that

Didnt hear that. Interesting.

Would McCaffrey not be as well mark O'Brien then he's on the backfoot half the time?
Hadn't considered that. Not sure how Jim will feel about Jack's lack of impact on Saturday, resulting from having to deal with Durcan all the time.
My guess is that Small will go on O'Brien, with Murchan replacing him after Small gets carded.

Small going for a personal 3 in a row of red cards in the All Ireland final
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on August 12, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
Kerry will need to win midfield and get 1 on 1s with our full back line.

Couple of selection dilemmas for Gavin:

O'Sullivan v Macauley
- Cian always plays really well against his parents' county. Looked sharp when he came on on Saturday. MDMA was his usual mix of power and unorthodoxy with that little bit of recklessness thrown in. Saw stats that said he had more possessions than any other Dub in the first half, and I did think at the time he was doing more than most to keep us in the contest at that time. We'll be weaker in the air if McCarthy starts midfield with Cian at 6, which might help give Kerry a foothold. But Cian will give a bit of added protection to the full back line and we'll have the wrecking ball as an impact sub.

Byrne v Fitzsimons v McMahon v Murchan (2 from 4)
- Most would rate Byrne 4th out of these, but formwise he's been the best this championship, and he doubled down on that on Saturday. Possibly his best game in a Dubs jersey. Fitz got a bit of a run around for a while v Carr (I was wondering for a while whether there was a deliberate policy to let them shoot rather than risk giving COC frees, but I don't think so!). Philly's a proven performer in All Ireland finals (and his chances of playing would increase if Tommy Walsh was starting), while Murchan might just be the ideal man to shackle Stephen O'Brien.   My guess is he'll stick with Byrne and Fitz, but it could be any 2.

I'd say Rory and Berno will be doing all they can over the next 2 weeks to try force themselves into the 26, but difficult to see any openings.

As a neutral Hound, I would keep McAuley in midfield as I think he will really trouble any of the Kerry midfielders with his physicality in the engine room and his direct running could carve open Kerry down the center of their defence.
Byrne has done excellent since coming into the team so I would give him the nod as well and Murchan could be an option off the bench quieten somebody like O'Brine if needed.
I would be tempted to start McMahon as he is a very crafty defender and he can get forward bringing his man with him at the right time.
If Brogan is fully fit I would definitely have him and Connolly on the bench to bring on for the last 15 mins when the Kerry backs are beginning to wane.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2019, 06:53:27 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.

Not a canter but was fairly comfortable but that was the only one in their last 7 finals:

2011 Kerry - 1 point
2013 Mayo - 1 point
2015 Kerry - 3 points
2016 Mayo - Draw
2016 Mayo - 1 point
2017 Mayo - 1 point
2018 - Tyrone - 6 points

So an average winning margin of less than 2 points in AI finals. Anyone who thinks that the Dubs will win this match in a procession does not know football and has been sucked in by all of the hype. It will be a close contest and I think the Dubs are likely winners but they are not playing some dog and duck outfit and they have never produced their best in finals. Add in the pressure of going for 5 in a row and I would give Kerry a chance.

We had a nice run of close All Ireland finals however this final is highly unlikely to be close. You have to be realistic kerry have never reached a final before with such a porous defence. I think we are looking at the most one sided All Ireland final since 2007 (I do hope Kerry prove me wrong)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 07:16:17 PM
I thought Byrne would have been a fall guy and maybe lacked a bit of physicality until I saw him overpower aidan oshea at one stage on Saturday.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 08:49:36 PM
I was surprised how subdued McCaffrey was. He has been unmarkable all year and to me was clear favourite for POTY. I think if O'Brien was on the back foot then he would be less effective. Also if you make him defend he isn't the most disciplined so would probably get a card of some description.

Interesting assessment on Small lol but yeah he doesn't seem blessed with discipline.

I think small is a great player. He has been I disciplined in the past but I think he now has a reputation with referees and that certainly doesn’t help him
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Gael85 on August 12, 2019, 08:56:50 PM
Berno got hit with an elbow to the jaw at the end of the Tyrone game and it swelled up so much he wasn't considered for Sat. I think he would have made the bench only for that

Didnt hear that. Interesting.

Would McCaffrey not be as well mark O'Brien then he's on the backfoot half the time?
Hadn't considered that. Not sure how Jim will feel about Jack's lack of impact on Saturday, resulting from having to deal with Durcan all the time.
My guess is that Small will go on O'Brien, with Murchan replacing him after Small gets carded.

That must have been the challenge from Niall Sludden near the end of game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 09:14:06 PM
I was surprised how subdued McCaffrey was. He has been unmarkable all year and to me was clear favourite for POTY. I think if O'Brien was on the back foot then he would be less effective. Also if you make him defend he isn't the most disciplined so would probably get a card of some description.

Interesting assessment on Small lol but yeah he doesn't seem blessed with discipline.

I think small is a great player. He has been I disciplined in the past but I think he now has a reputation with referees and that certainly doesn’t help him

Yeah if he wasn’t great I don’t think gavin would have him near the team. Him and cooper with McMahon out would be the more aggressive players.

On the match Saturday Dublin were a lot more pumped up/ aggressive than they would usually be. More in the rubbing it in after scores and winning frees etc. They don’t tend to be like that but to be fair all the teams are at it so not a massive criticism.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 09:14:48 PM
I don't know the Tyrone player, but it was ay the end of the game. It looked a cheap shot at the time.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: giveballaghback on August 12, 2019, 09:24:57 PM
What an insult to the great kingdom of Kerry with their 37 all=Irelands, +5points at even money in an all Ireland final, yerra tis quare times.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Scarlet on August 12, 2019, 09:36:14 PM
As noted already, look at the damage McShane was let do in the first half. Imagine you gave O'Callaghan and Mannion that space.
That's only two lads to mind. Then Kerry need Moran to better Fenton.
Then McCaffrey and McCarthy breaking through...
Lots of IFs when it comes to Kerry but you know what the Dubs will bring. I would love an upset but just can't see it and it feels a bit of a sales pitch to be going down the whole classic rivals route that will be throttled for the next fortnight.

Dublin only needed to put on a blitz at the weekend. Reminds me of Cork v Kilkenny in a hurling 1/4 final (I think?) years ago. Cork were on top in the first 25 mins and lads were jumping out of their skins.
Next thing KK lashed in a goal, tagged on a few points and just killed it.

They say it's the hope that kills you but in this case the lack of it from the neutrals is killing this game before it even begins.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2019, 11:09:25 PM
Like both Dublin and Kerry, As much as I like to see a team win 5 in a row in my lifetime, football needs a Kerry win.(who ever think) Though I think Dublin win by 6 or 7 but only really pulling clear round the 60min mark
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 13, 2019, 07:27:50 AM
I don't know the Tyrone player, but it was ay the end of the game. It looked a cheap shot at the time.

Who clashed with brogan? Niall Sludden. And it was accidental
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 13, 2019, 07:32:03 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: bcarrier on August 13, 2019, 09:43:16 AM
I get Hounds point about McAuley's recklessness and see him as a potential accident waiting to happen for Dublin. At some stage he is going to catch someone with one of those elbows/clothes lines and see red. That might give Kerry a chance but they need everything to go right and a lot to go wrong for the Dubs. Fenton is just different gravy and have no idea how Kerry can cope with him.

The only other glimmer I see for Kerry is that even having a good defence doesnt cut it against Dublin. So having a porous one might not make much difference and you might as well go all out attack.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2019, 11:28:16 AM
Kerry daren't fall into the trap of worrying too much about Dublin by deploying sweepers or the like. We seen what happened them in the first half against Tyrone when they deployed a sweeper to no effect and were far too laboured in their build up play. Rather trust their own footballing ability and go man to man.

Hit Dublin where they are at their weakest - in the full back line by kicking long early ball into Geaney and Clifford with Tommy Walsh available as a viable plan B off the bench. That is where Kerry can get a lot of joy. Dublin do not like long ball kicked on top of their full back line and Kerry have some excellent ball winners inside who can also take scores. None of Byrne, Cooper or Fitzsimmons are particularly good in the air and could be exposed against that Kerry forward line. The problem I see for Kerry is that middle 8 and gaining enough possession there to get a foothold in the game. I expect Dublin to really pressurise the Kerry kick out with an unproven goalkeeper.

Make no mistake though, Kerry will have absolutely no inferiority complex against Dublin and they are defending their own counties proud record of being the most successful GAA side in history. If they were to listen to some people in the media then there is no point in turning up but they will believe they are every bit as good as this Dublin side. They will throw the kitchen sink at it and I expect that this game could well be a high scoring classic.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:44:59 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 13, 2019, 11:57:53 AM
Kerry daren't fall into the trap of worrying too much about Dublin by deploying sweepers or the like. We seen what happened them in the first half against Tyrone when they deployed a sweeper to no effect and were far too laboured in their build up play. Rather trust their own footballing ability and go man to man.

Hit Dublin where they are at their weakest - in the full back line by kicking long early ball into Geaney and Clifford with Tommy Walsh available as a viable plan B off the bench. That is where Kerry can get a lot of joy. Dublin do not like long ball kicked on top of their full back line and Kerry have some excellent ball winners inside who can also take scores. None of Byrne, Cooper or Fitzsimmons are particularly good in the air and could be exposed against that Kerry forward line. The problem I see for Kerry is that middle 8 and gaining enough possession there to get a foothold in the game. I expect Dublin to really pressurise the Kerry kick out with an unproven goalkeeper.

Make no mistake though, Kerry will have absolutely no inferiority complex against Dublin and they are defending their own counties proud record of being the most successful GAA side in history. If they were to listen to some people in the media then there is no point in turning up but they will believe they are every bit as good as this Dublin side. They will throw the kitchen sink at it and I expect that this game could well be a high scoring classic.
Well, Dublin will always give chances to opposition that has an attacking gameplan. And Kerry are best equipped to take advantage of that.

I can see about 20 scores and each team should create 3-4 clearcut goal chances. I'm hoping that Dublin goals will deflate Kerry more than Kerry goals deflate Dublin. I always think the score immediately after a goal is important, kinda means it's either a 2-point goal or a 4-point goal.   

Kerry really closed Fenton down a couple of years ago in the league final. Be worried if that happened again, but Fenton is wiser and better since then.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on August 13, 2019, 12:27:22 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.

what debacle?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 13, 2019, 12:39:10 PM
I don't know the Tyrone player, but it was ay the end of the game. It looked a cheap shot at the time.

Who clashed with brogan? Niall Sludden. And it was accidental

Sludden wouldn't cause any damage to Brogan even with a dirty dig. Probably a solid 3 stone between the two.

Anyway, on to the final.

Dublin to win, but hopefully Kerry score a few early goals - who knows. If Kerry defend how they did v Tyrone in first half it'll be over by HT though. Hard to make any kind of argument for Kerry to be honest, they have the ability to score goals v Dublin that would be what I would cling to but hard to not see Dublin winning this one pulling up.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 01:07:00 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.

What are you on about you eejit? That game was closer than most games involving Dublin.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on August 13, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Dublin 1/5 Kerry 9/2, roughly the same odds as the Mayo game
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2019, 06:12:49 PM
A lot of talk from Kerry media pundits in the last day or two about David Gough's refereeing being biased towards the Dubs. He looked a shoe in to get the final given that he has yet to referee one but it will be interesting to see if he gets it now. If he does he will be under a lot of scrutiny.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 13, 2019, 10:39:21 PM
What's everyone's thinking on how they hope it'll go? Personally I hope Dublin win, (not for the same reasons as most others do i.e. to hope they win 10 in a row so the GAA wake up.) but to read the Kerry people views afterwards. I'm sure they'll pull every trick available to try and stop Dublin from doing it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2019, 07:57:41 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.

What are you on about you eejit? That game was closer than most games involving Dublin.

It was Dublin’s largest winning margin in a final of the 6 they have won recently
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 14, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
What's everyone's thinking on how they hope it'll go? Personally I hope Dublin win, (not for the same reasons as most others do i.e. to hope they win 10 in a row so the GAA wake up.) but to read the Kerry people views afterwards. I'm sure they'll pull every trick available to try and stop Dublin from doing it.

The optics are important

The pundits will be focusing on the contest  and Dublin v Kerry.
Sponsors and advertisers will be hoping that the game is close so people don’t
turn off.

Kerry really want to stop 5 in a row but it may be beyond them.

The reaction of the Kerry media mafia is important. Do they accept the challenge for next year or do they agree that the system is broken and that the GAA broke it?

This depends on how the Dubs act. 5 minutes of handpassing piggy in the middle halfway through the second half against Kerry might be an insult too far.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on August 14, 2019, 10:56:18 AM
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 14, 2019, 12:04:33 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.

what debacle?

“There was a passage of play on Sunday, just after Jack McCaffrey put Dublin 1-5 to 0-6 ahead about 10 minutes short of half-time. Tyrone got the kick-out away – quickly, as they had to – and Conor Meyler played a ball up to Peter Harte on the Dublin 45. Harte collected it at the right-wing forward position with Jonny Cooper shadowing him. Cian O’Sullivan was in the area but his hamstring had gone by this stage so he wasn’t moving freely; so not only was he not threat to Harte but he was no use as a sweeper either.

as Harte collected the ball, Connor McAliskey was one-on-one with Philly McMahon standing on the 20-metre line dead straight in front of the Dublin goal. The only other person inside the Dublin 45 was Cluxton. McCaffrey was still getting back after his point and for once, Dublin were open.
You could tell that Harte knew this. Tyrone had been under the cosh for the previous seven or eight minutes but this was their chance to turn the game back in their favour. Harte is a smart player – one of the real leaders in the Tyrone team – and you could see he recognised the moment. If he could come up with the right ball into McAliskey and if he could deliver it quickly, there was a goal on.

But in his rush to get the ball in, he made a mess of it. He tried to play a bullet ball in with the outside of his boot but got a bad connection and screwed it off out to the side. From a starting point in front of the goals, McAliskey had to sprint after it and ended up sliding like a soccer player trying to put it out for a sideline about four yards from the corner flag. He didn’t manage it and, as Cluxton was lining up to take the kick-out, O’Sullivan went off injured. That small window of weakness in the Dublin defence was slammed shut.

Harte was able to do the basics under pressure – make the smart run, draw the defenders to make the space, realise that the big moment in the game was on. But when it came down to it, he didn’t execute.
Against the Dubs, you don’t get a second go at that. From the kick-out, Cooper went down on a breaking ball, took a push in the back from a helpful Tyrone player, got to his feet and played a quick free as the three Tyrone lads around him switched off and next thing you know, Dublin had their second goal.”

Then the Dubs played piggy in the middle . They controlled the outcome from then on. Tyrone had no chance.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 14, 2019, 12:16:03 PM
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!

It is no coincidence that the game has veered back towards a much better defence/attack balance since the Dubs have hoovered up All Irelands. Around about the time that Donegal won an AI in 2012 and for a period after that, coaches across the country were trying to ape the Jimmy McGuinness template both at club, county and schools level. The Dubs have helped reverse that trend.

Coaching and management trends tend to ape the tactics of successful county teams and for that reason Dublin have helped to improve the spectacle across the country even though the extreme negative tactics have not completely disappeared.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 14, 2019, 12:20:16 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on August 14, 2019, 12:26:21 PM
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!

It is no coincidence that the game has veered back towards a much better defence/attack balance since the Dubs have hoovered up All Irelands. Around about the time that Donegal won an AI in 2012 and for a period after that, coaches across the country were trying to ape the Jimmy McGuinness template both at club, county and schools level. The Dubs have helped reverse that trend.

Coaching and management trends tend to ape the tactics of successful county teams and for that reason Dublin have helped to improve the spectacle across the country even though the extreme negative tactics have not completely disappeared.

Very true and it is great to see but in fairness to McGuinness, Donegal played great football in 2012 and especially against us in the final to win Sam.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 12:38:13 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: greatpoint on August 14, 2019, 12:39:42 PM
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!

It is no coincidence that the game has veered back towards a much better defence/attack balance since the Dubs have hoovered up All Irelands. Around about the time that Donegal won an AI in 2012 and for a period after that, coaches across the country were trying to ape the Jimmy McGuinness template both at club, county and schools level. The Dubs have helped reverse that trend.

Coaching and management trends tend to ape the tactics of successful county teams and for that reason Dublin have helped to improve the spectacle across the country even though the extreme negative tactics have not completely disappeared.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. In 2014 Gavin was made realise that Dublin had to put some sort of defensive system in place to prevent what Donegal did to them from happening again. They have been clearly very willing to drop players back when needed since then and it's more of a hybrid system that they've helped propagate, rather than just reverse any trend.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 12:56:27 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on August 14, 2019, 01:05:36 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Where are the schoolchildren?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: larryin89 on August 14, 2019, 01:07:25 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Where are the schoolchildren?

It's still ridiculous either way . You can't have a ref pictured like this and then given an all Ireland final involving the county , no way , that's just not right
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 14, 2019, 01:24:06 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.
 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on August 14, 2019, 01:38:25 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.
Molloy based lot of it on poor David Gough deserves the gig. Optics are important but never when Dubs are involved in GAA.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 14, 2019, 01:43:43 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.

Hound, iv warned you about this before , stop speaking logic and commin sense, lads on this forum cant compute it.

However, you are right, Dublin wont be able to buy a free in the final now.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 14, 2019, 01:45:49 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Are you seriously questioning his integrity???

David Gough could stand on O'Connell Street all day and no one would recognise him. If he was in his home town/club in Slane everyone would recognise him and ask about the game. Far less stressful build up to the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 14, 2019, 01:48:20 PM
I suppose it makes a change to have the Kerry media campaign in full cry instead of Dublin as it was for the last few years. ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 14, 2019, 02:06:42 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.

Hound, iv warned you about this before , stop speaking logic and commin sense, lads on this forum cant compute it.

However, you are right, Dublin wont be able to buy a free in the final now.
I'd say Gough is very recognisable in Dublin
Would be best known referee in the country
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on August 14, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
If I was an inter county referee living in Dublin would I pose with Dublin player(s) holding Sam Maguire at my place of work? No.

Pity it will tarnish the 5 in a row, even if Dubs win by 5/6 points. Gavin must be fuming.

"Bleedin jokeshop!"
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 14, 2019, 02:25:14 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.

Hound, iv warned you about this before , stop speaking logic and commin sense, lads on this forum cant compute it.

However, you are right, Dublin wont be able to buy a free in the final now.
I'd say Gough is very recognisable in Dublin
Would be best known referee in the country
Have you been to Dublin?

Con O'Callaghan could walk from Henry Street to Stephen's Green at midday on a busy Saturday and not get recognised!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 14, 2019, 02:56:51 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.

Hound, iv warned you about this before , stop speaking logic and commin sense, lads on this forum cant compute it.

However, you are right, Dublin wont be able to buy a free in the final now.
I'd say Gough is very recognisable in Dublin
Would be best known referee in the country
Have you been to Dublin?

Con O'Callaghan could walk from Henry Street to Stephen's Green at midday on a busy Saturday and not get recognised!

All the non-dubs living outside Dublin obviously think walking down the main street in their town/village is the same as walking around Dublin. It's really not. Kerry yerraing reaching new lows
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 03:03:01 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Where are the schoolchildren?

are you serious?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 03:06:17 PM
The one thing you are all missing is you are questioning the integrity of possibly the best GAA ref in Ireland, you need to catch a grip. I have worked in a village in North Antrim, never ever would I have thought of swaying towards them when i was refereeing them. In fact I caused a shit storm because I went the opposite way.
David Gough has been round the block,  he is more than capable of handling any questioning or scrutiny, i have absolutely no qualms about him refereeing Dublin
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Sportacus on August 14, 2019, 03:47:41 PM
But if the ref worked in Killarney would there be eyebrows raised?  I would say you bet.  The issue for me is the broad point that the GAA should be aware of how this could be portrayed and avoid it.  Gough could have got his chance in years to come.  It’s unfair on him to put him under this scrutiny and it was easily avoided.  Unfortunately under the current leadership the GAA seem to be lacking in PR savvy on various occasions.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 04:03:37 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 14, 2019, 04:09:45 PM
But if the ref worked in Killarney would there be eyebrows raised?  I would say you bet.  The issue for me is the broad point that the GAA should be aware of how this could be portrayed and avoid it.  Gough could have got his chance in years to come.  It’s unfair on him to put him under this scrutiny and it was easily avoided.  Unfortunately under the current leadership the GAA seem to be lacking in PR savvy on various occasions.

How will he with Dublin to be in every final from here to eternity! Oh wait - i'm on the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 04:48:03 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Where are the schoolchildren?

are you serious?

Gough did not referee any Dublin games in 2015. But you'd have to wonder how he would feel about such a photo opportunity should Dublin win this year?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 14, 2019, 04:52:45 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 04:58:25 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 05:03:26 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Sometimes I despair
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on August 14, 2019, 05:18:52 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Sometimes I despair
Despair away...swoosh!!

Is Gough able to walk down to Templeogue for a coffee unrecognised? At this rate of appointment Jimmy Turner will be reffing the 6 in a row final.  :)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 06:10:37 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: larryin89 on August 14, 2019, 06:14:36 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


O gara scores a point ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on August 14, 2019, 07:23:36 PM
No issue with Gough, only thing I will say is he tries his best to let the game flow.

I’d say the Kerry byes are more afraid of this than anything as Dublin are miles ahead of Kerry physically.

FTB, Gough was only starting out in 2015 so posting that picture and making phantom allegations is wrong. Shur no one knew Dublin would be winning as much now back then  :)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 14, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


Why do you even post here any more? Normally its a rant on any thread that you somehow make about Dublin and/or money Dubs receive from Croke Park.

Now you've decided to attack the integrity of the referee. What's your problem. I can only assume you were attempting to reference Kev Mac's tackle at the end. If you had listened to OTB last night or even done another google search after you found that video about Gough after the game you would have found out that he apologised after the game. His line of sight to Kevin Mac was blocked by another Dublin player so he wasn't able to see it at the time. All he could do was admit he'd have given a free if he had seen it  real time. What else is he supposed to do?

But when have you ever let facts get in the way of your bitter rants??
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on August 14, 2019, 07:51:58 PM
It was a fair shoulder in anyways.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 08:08:09 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


Why do you even post here any more? Normally its a rant on any thread that you somehow make about Dublin and/or money Dubs receive from Croke Park.

Now you've decided to attack the integrity of the referee. What's your problem. I can only assume you were attempting to reference Kev Mac's tackle at the end. If you had listened to OTB last night or even done another google search after you found that video about Gough after the game you would have found out that he apologised after the game. His line of sight to Kevin Mac was blocked by another Dublin player so he wasn't able to see it at the time. All he could do was admit he'd have given a free if he had seen it  real time. What else is he supposed to do?

But when have you ever let facts get in the way of your bitter rants??

The problem is that a Dublin player (from St. Judes who Gough was involved with) gets a very beneficial call at an important juncture in the game. He probably did not see the incident, but you can see the optics are not great.

 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2019, 08:47:34 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


Why do you even post here any more? Normally its a rant on any thread that you somehow make about Dublin and/or money Dubs receive from Croke Park.

Now you've decided to attack the integrity of the referee. What's your problem. I can only assume you were attempting to reference Kev Mac's tackle at the end. If you had listened to OTB last night or even done another google search after you found that video about Gough after the game you would have found out that he apologised after the game. His line of sight to Kevin Mac was blocked by another Dublin player so he wasn't able to see it at the time. All he could do was admit he'd have given a free if he had seen it  real time. What else is he supposed to do?

But when have you ever let facts get in the way of your bitter rants??

The problem is that a Dublin player (from St. Judes who Gough was involved with) gets a very beneficial call at an important juncture in the game. He probably did not see the incident, but you can see the optics are not great.

The optics are fine. You’re trying to make something out of nothing
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 08:48:44 PM
Gough has refereed Tyrone a good few times now over the past few years - he's the best ref about - he's got a few decisions wrong against us, the Peter Harte black card this year against Donegal being the obvious one but we've probably had the benefit of a few too. He did the All Ireland final against Dublin last year, again no complaints.

People go on about the links with Dublin but if we were in the All Ireland final with them next week he's the guy I'd want in the middle.

I do think he is getting a little fondness for making big calls though and needs to make sure that he is absolutely certain in his decision before he makes it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Gael85 on August 14, 2019, 08:52:15 PM
Gough has refereed Tyrone a good few times now over the past few years - he's the best ref about - he's got a few decisions wrong against us, the Peter Harte black card this year against Donegal being the obvious one but we've probably had the benefit of a few too. He did the All Ireland final against Dublin last year, again no complaints.

People go on about the links with Dublin but if we were in the All Ireland final with them next week he's the guy I'd want in the middle.

I do think he is getting a little fondness for making big calls though and needs to make sure that he is absolutely certain in his decision before he makes it.

Conor Lane done final last year. This is Gough first final.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on August 14, 2019, 09:02:46 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Absolute rubbish. A pile of shite to be more accurate.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 09:07:17 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Absolute rubbish. A pile of shite to be more accurate.

Obiviously Antrim prob not included since they are that pile of shite or absolutely rubbish if you prefer.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 14, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Nothing new on this board.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 09:10:30 PM
Gough has refereed Tyrone a good few times now over the past few years - he's the best ref about - he's got a few decisions wrong against us, the Peter Harte black card this year against Donegal being the obvious one but we've probably had the benefit of a few too. He did the All Ireland final against Dublin last year, again no complaints.

People go on about the links with Dublin but if we were in the All Ireland final with them next week he's the guy I'd want in the middle.

I do think he is getting a little fondness for making big calls though and needs to make sure that he is absolutely certain in his decision before he makes it.

Conor Lane done final last year. This is Gough first final.

Oh right :D

Fair enough so but I think Gough is a good ref and I wouldn't have an issue with him taking the game had we won on Sunday.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: larryin89 on August 14, 2019, 09:33:27 PM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ? 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

I think Fitzmaurice was way out of order with his comments and he knows full well what he was at.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 14, 2019, 10:00:33 PM
It used to be a ref from either province not involved, why did they do away with that? I do think Gough working (also living?) in Dublin is a issue. Hardly impartial or open to influence.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 10:35:48 PM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Main Street on August 14, 2019, 10:43:38 PM
Far too much uninformed crap is thrown at GAA refs, Fitzmaurice's intervention against the selection of Gough was cheap and undignified, cute hoorism scraping the barrell.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on August 14, 2019, 11:02:08 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Absolute rubbish. A pile of shite to be more accurate.

Obiviously Antrim prob not included since they are that pile of shite or absolutely rubbish if you prefer.

Well that makes no sense and is completely irrelevant to the discussion so that's...actually about par for the course for your posts.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 11:52:20 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Absolute rubbish. A pile of shite to be more accurate.

Obiviously Antrim prob not included since they are that pile of shite or absolutely rubbish if you prefer.

Well that makes no sense and is completely irrelevant to the discussion so that's...actually about par for the course for your posts.

No its not, Antrim play in the intercounty competition don't they? They just usually get favours to keep things respectable as the refs takes pity.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 15, 2019, 08:00:57 AM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.

I thought after your St Jude’s “revelation” you’d be keeping your head down for a while.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: David McKeown on August 15, 2019, 09:12:26 AM
I feel sorry for Gough in all this because he’s a fine referee. As I suggested after the Mayo v Donegal game though why does the GAA put him in this position if anything controversial happens in the game the allegations will flow which will be incredibly unfair. Interestingly the legal test for bias is not was a decision maker biased its could an impartial observer aware of all the facts rule out the possibility for bias. In other words the perception of potential bias is more important than actual bias. So whilst he’s the best referee in the country and therefore should get the All Ireland final it may have been fairer for him not to get it and I’m not questioning his integrity there at all.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on August 15, 2019, 09:35:40 AM
Totally disagree that he is a good referee. Like the vast majority of the top referees Gough will believe that the day revolves around him and that the players are bit part players supporting his central role.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 15, 2019, 09:52:31 AM
A planned protest in Killarney on Saturday.

This is great   :D ;D

They are rattled down in Kerry and they have become an embarrassment to themselves and to the country. They are terrified that 1. they will get a hiding


People are asking why no objection to the ref from Dublin fans, its quite simple, we are not bothered by who refs it. The football does the talking.




Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 15, 2019, 10:43:36 AM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.

I thought after your St Jude’s “revelation” you’d be keeping your head down for a while.

Strange how Dublin supporters have got behind Gough? I mean what do they care?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: playwiththewind1st on August 15, 2019, 10:53:35 AM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.

They probably still have a lot of time for John Gough.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: shark on August 15, 2019, 11:26:30 AM
Totally disagree that he is a good referee. Like the vast majority of the top referees Gough will believe that the day revolves around him and that the players are bit part players supporting his central role.

I once played in a game that he reffed. In my opinion he was excellent. He communicated with the players throughout and we knew exactly where we stood with him. He seemed to know every player's first name, even though we were a club team from a different county. We lost the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 15, 2019, 11:54:58 AM
As I said previously, I don't think Kerry actually want him changed, instead just create enough of a hullabaloo so that he can't avoid it, and they're hoping that it means he'll be  more likely to favour Kerry in 50/50s, so avoid an chance of being regarded as biased.

You still have to trust that he's above it, but at this stage I'd would not be sorry if he stood down. Although the chap's been through quite the journey to get here, so you can only wish him the best and hope he makes all the correct calls.
 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 15, 2019, 11:58:06 AM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

The poor guy is having his reputation and integrity smeared by vicious rumours and outright lies all over social media and messageboards like this.

It's not just dubs defending him by the way.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2019, 12:55:16 PM
It was all designed to put maximum pressure on David Gough since they would have known that he was very likely to get the final.

In professional sport such as PL soccer, I think managers are banned from talking about referees critically before and after matches, otherwise they will sanction. Obviously Kerry were cute enough that it was ex players that voiced their concerns so there are ways around this. It was the same when the Dublin media ganged up on Lee Keegan prior to an AI final a few years back. Now Gough goes into the AI final under incredible scrutiny which is very unfair. Why would a referee deliberately want to favour one side over another in a match that the country will be watching at the expense of his own performance. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise, bad decisions can and most likely will be made but I don't believe for one second that his integrity can be called into question.

 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: rrhf on August 15, 2019, 12:58:47 PM
Kerry enjoy cute smear tactics yet again. Pain in the arse winning or losing. The pathetic whispering after the semi final on water bottles, absolute horseshit, the lobby is well and truly up and going. They need weak refs that keep them in the game until they find their feet a la last Sunday. I hope the dubs bate them by 20 to eliminate any doubt about the ref.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 15, 2019, 02:20:15 PM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.

I thought after your St Jude’s “revelation” you’d be keeping your head down for a while.

Strange how Dublin supporters have got behind Gough? I mean what do they care?

We don’t care. I don’t remember any time when Dublin supporters subjected a referee to sly personal innuendo in advance of a game. We much prefer to let the football do the talking.

What puzzles me is why such frenzied concern from a couple of Mayo supporters on this board as to who will ref the All Ireland final. I would have thought that the state of Mayo football would have been their all-consuming concern.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WT4E on August 15, 2019, 03:02:26 PM
I didnt think there was any way I would support Dublin in the final but I am now willing them on to give Kerry a tight hammering due to:

- Bottle Lies
- Darragh O'Se article
- David Gough nonsense

Good luck you boys in blue
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 03:04:12 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 15, 2019, 03:20:47 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: blanketattack on August 15, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
Kerry enjoy cute smear tactics yet again. Pain in the arse winning or losing. The pathetic whispering after the semi final on water bottles, absolute horseshit, the lobby is well and truly up and going. They need weak refs that keep them in the game until they find their feet a la last Sunday. I hope the dubs bate them by 20 to eliminate any doubt about the ref.

Not sure if the margin will stop excuses - the Dubs are still blaming Aldridge for losing in 1978 even though they lost by 17 points! And they were still making death threats to him, sending him bullets in the post and phone calls at all hours of the night for 10 years. When the shoe is on the other foot, the Dubs aren't so apathetic about the ref.

I see a few people blaming the Kerry meeja for spreading bottlegate, but that rumour originated in Monaghan - maybe it's something someone in Monaghan tried themself without success!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 15, 2019, 03:57:04 PM
I didnt think there was any way I would support Dublin in the final but I am now willing them on to give Kerry a tight hammering due to:

- Bottle Lies
- Darragh O'Se article
- David Gough nonsense

Good luck you boys in blue

I'm hoping Dublin win for a couple of reasons:

Firstly To rub it up the Kerry ones about the 5 in a row

Also so that this farcical situation with Dublin can run its course and that the elephant in the room has to be dealt with
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on August 15, 2019, 04:04:14 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

I recall plenty of complaints from the Dubs about the ref for the 2017 NFL final v Kerry.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 15, 2019, 04:18:42 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 15, 2019, 04:41:06 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Dinny, how about you learn to read  - see above. Football didn't start in 2011.

I've been going to Croker since 1981 (for the Offaly hurlers) and to Dublin games since 1983, though I didn't get to the final for the 12 Apostles.
In that time, some of the games that I've been at that stand out are -

All 4 in 91 against Meath

Being beaten by Donegal in 92 AIF

Being beaten by Derry in 93 SF

Wasn't at the Down final in 94, watched it at home

Being beaten by Meath in 96 (Bealo's missed peno)

Again by Meath in 99 (Ollie Murphy went to town on us)

By Kildare in two games in 2000

By Meath in Leinster and Kerry after a replay in Thurles (Maurice Fitz)

By Armagh by a point in AISF in 02 (Cossie hit the post)

By Laois in 03, followed by Cluxton getting himself sent off against Armagh

By Westmeath in 04, followed by Kerry getting medieval on us in the AIQF

By Tyrone in AIQF 05 after a replay

By Mayo (Ciaran Mac) after leading by six with 20 to go in the AISF 06

By Kerry in AISF 07

By Tyrone in the pouring rain in AIQF 08

By Kerry (startled earwigs) in AIQF 09

I was at them all and more. So excuse me if my memories of supporting Dublin, in the main was of disappointment for the guts of 26 years (barring the wins in 83 and 95). Now you may say that you have had more disappointment than me, and I would say quantitatively that is correct.

But I would also point out that experience is subjective, and given that I was from a county where there was a huge amount of expectation on them to be All Ireland winners, both from within and outside the county, that the sense of failure and underachievement was especially keen and embarrassing. Anyone who was supporting Dublin during those years won't forget it soon anyway.

Or I could just concede defeat and acknowledge that I just can't do self pity like some of the contributors to this board, and I should just leave it to the experts...

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 15, 2019, 04:42:51 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Is it not amazing how little space on this thread is being used to discuss the the actual match?

The possibility of Dublin actually winning five in a row is driving the usual suspects here demented. You lads should really seek help.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 15, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

A great achievement by Dublin while being underfunded (per head)with development money and nowhere near top spenders on our senior teams (Dual total amount).

Well done Dublin
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 15, 2019, 04:50:17 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Is it not amazing how little space on this thread is being used to discuss the the actual match?

The possibility of Dublin actually winning five in a row is driving the usual suspects here demented. You lads should really seek help.

Do you think there is a match to be discussed? I mean Dublin are 1/5.

I really hope ye do it and do it with style. The last thing the game needs is for Kerry to fluke a win.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 15, 2019, 05:00:44 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Is it not amazing how little space on this thread is being used to discuss the the actual match?

The possibility of Dublin actually winning five in a row is driving the usual suspects here demented. You lads should really seek help.

Do you think there is a match to be discussed? I mean Dublin are 1/5.

I really hope ye do it and do it with style. The last thing the game needs is for Kerry to fluke a win.

Your good wishes are appreciated  ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 09:01:08 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Dinny, how about you learn to read  - see above. Football didn't start in 2011.

I've been going to Croker since 1981 (for the Offaly hurlers) and to Dublin games since 1983, though I didn't get to the final for the 12 Apostles.
In that time, some of the games that I've been at that stand out are -

All 4 in 91 against Meath

Being beaten by Donegal in 92 AIF

Being beaten by Derry in 93 SF

Wasn't at the Down final in 94, watched it at home

Being beaten by Meath in 96 (Bealo's missed peno)

Again by Meath in 99 (Ollie Murphy went to town on us)

By Kildare in two games in 2000

By Meath in Leinster and Kerry after a replay in Thurles (Maurice Fitz)

By Armagh by a point in AISF in 02 (Cossie hit the post)

By Laois in 03, followed by Cluxton getting himself sent off against Armagh

By Westmeath in 04, followed by Kerry getting medieval on us in the AIQF

By Tyrone in AIQF 05 after a replay

By Mayo (Ciaran Mac) after leading by six with 20 to go in the AISF 06

By Kerry in AISF 07

By Tyrone in the pouring rain in AIQF 08

By Kerry (startled earwigs) in AIQF 09

I was at them all and more. So excuse me if my memories of supporting Dublin, in the main was of disappointment for the guts of 26 years (barring the wins in 83 and 95). Now you may say that you have had more disappointment than me, and I would say quantitatively that is correct.

But I would also point out that experience is subjective, and given that I was from a county where there was a huge amount of expectation on them to be All Ireland winners, both from within and outside the county, that the sense of failure and underachievement was especially keen and embarrassing. Anyone who was supporting Dublin during those years won't forget it soon anyway.

Or I could just concede defeat and acknowledge that I just can't do self pity like some of the contributors to this board, and I should just leave it to the experts...

Boo hoo, tiger. Are we meant to feel sorry for ye?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 15, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Dinny, how about you learn to read  - see above. Football didn't start in 2011.

I've been going to Croker since 1981 (for the Offaly hurlers) and to Dublin games since 1983, though I didn't get to the final for the 12 Apostles.
In that time, some of the games that I've been at that stand out are -

All 4 in 91 against Meath

Being beaten by Donegal in 92 AIF

Being beaten by Derry in 93 SF

Wasn't at the Down final in 94, watched it at home

Being beaten by Meath in 96 (Bealo's missed peno)

Again by Meath in 99 (Ollie Murphy went to town on us)

By Kildare in two games in 2000

By Meath in Leinster and Kerry after a replay in Thurles (Maurice Fitz)

By Armagh by a point in AISF in 02 (Cossie hit the post)

By Laois in 03, followed by Cluxton getting himself sent off against Armagh

By Westmeath in 04, followed by Kerry getting medieval on us in the AIQF

By Tyrone in AIQF 05 after a replay

By Mayo (Ciaran Mac) after leading by six with 20 to go in the AISF 06

By Kerry in AISF 07

By Tyrone in the pouring rain in AIQF 08

By Kerry (startled earwigs) in AIQF 09

I was at them all and more. So excuse me if my memories of supporting Dublin, in the main was of disappointment for the guts of 26 years (barring the wins in 83 and 95). Now you may say that you have had more disappointment than me, and I would say quantitatively that is correct.

But I would also point out that experience is subjective, and given that I was from a county where there was a huge amount of expectation on them to be All Ireland winners, both from within and outside the county, that the sense of failure and underachievement was especially keen and embarrassing. Anyone who was supporting Dublin during those years won't forget it soon anyway.

Or I could just concede defeat and acknowledge that I just can't do self pity like some of the contributors to this board, and I should just leave it to the experts...

Boo hoo, tiger. Are we meant to feel sorry for ye?
Not at all. Just stop feeling sorry for yourselves 😁
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Estimator on August 15, 2019, 09:21:34 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 15, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

Course he is..... after deliberating running into a defender and taking him out of the game.

No fan of the black card but soft application of the rules even with the benefit of video evidence and hindsight is par for the course for Kerry..... and Dublin.

...and lets not forget he's a good fella and doesnt deserve to miss an AIF over a black card

Anyway fair play to him.... hopefully he manages to get the antifreeze flushed out of his system before next Sunday
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 15, 2019, 09:35:18 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

Correct decision and done swiftly too.

GAA acting decisively and sensibly this week for a change!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Dinny, how about you learn to read  - see above. Football didn't start in 2011.

I've been going to Croker since 1981 (for the Offaly hurlers) and to Dublin games since 1983, though I didn't get to the final for the 12 Apostles.
In that time, some of the games that I've been at that stand out are -

All 4 in 91 against Meath

Being beaten by Donegal in 92 AIF

Being beaten by Derry in 93 SF

Wasn't at the Down final in 94, watched it at home

Being beaten by Meath in 96 (Bealo's missed peno)

Again by Meath in 99 (Ollie Murphy went to town on us)

By Kildare in two games in 2000

By Meath in Leinster and Kerry after a replay in Thurles (Maurice Fitz)

By Armagh by a point in AISF in 02 (Cossie hit the post)

By Laois in 03, followed by Cluxton getting himself sent off against Armagh

By Westmeath in 04, followed by Kerry getting medieval on us in the AIQF

By Tyrone in AIQF 05 after a replay

By Mayo (Ciaran Mac) after leading by six with 20 to go in the AISF 06

By Kerry in AISF 07

By Tyrone in the pouring rain in AIQF 08

By Kerry (startled earwigs) in AIQF 09

I was at them all and more. So excuse me if my memories of supporting Dublin, in the main was of disappointment for the guts of 26 years (barring the wins in 83 and 95). Now you may say that you have had more disappointment than me, and I would say quantitatively that is correct.

But I would also point out that experience is subjective, and given that I was from a county where there was a huge amount of expectation on them to be All Ireland winners, both from within and outside the county, that the sense of failure and underachievement was especially keen and embarrassing. Anyone who was supporting Dublin during those years won't forget it soon anyway.

Or I could just concede defeat and acknowledge that I just can't do self pity like some of the contributors to this board, and I should just leave it to the experts...

Boo hoo, tiger. Are we meant to feel sorry for ye?
Not at all. Just stop feeling sorry for yourselves 😁

Who said we’re feeling sorry for ourselves?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 15, 2019, 10:06:44 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

That was a ridiculous black card to be fair
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 15, 2019, 10:09:48 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

That was a ridiculous black card to be fair

Black cards are ridiculous. Will common  sense come into play and we get the return of yellow and red cards only?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on August 15, 2019, 10:11:52 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

That was a ridiculous black card to be fair

Black cards are ridiculous. Will common  sense come into play and we get the return of yellow and red cards only?
That’ll be the day!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 10:30:03 PM
It looked a fairly clear cut black card. O'Brien runs at pace in a straight line from about 20 yards at a guy who more or less stands his ground and then O'Brien turns his shoulder into him.

But it's Kerry so there's no surprise there.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: johnpower on August 15, 2019, 10:57:50 PM
As I said previously, I don't think Kerry actually want him changed, instead just create enough of a hullabaloo so that he can't avoid it, and they're hoping that it means he'll be  more likely to favour Kerry in 50/50s, so avoid an chance of being regarded as biased.

You still have to trust that he's above it, but at this stage I'd would not be sorry if he stood down. Although the chap's been through quite the journey to get here, so you can only wish him the best and hope he makes all the correct calls.

I agree with you will put pressure on Gough and his team of officials .
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 16, 2019, 01:42:24 PM
Terrified in the Kingdom, or soon to be be former Kingdom.


https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciarn-whelan-a-great-act-of-double-bluff-cute-hoorism-you-cant-keep-up-with-kerry-when-it-comes-to-it-38408859.html
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Seamus on August 16, 2019, 08:22:44 PM
Terrified in the Kingdom, or soon to be be former Kingdom.


https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciarn-whelan-a-great-act-of-double-bluff-cute-hoorism-you-cant-keep-up-with-kerry-when-it-comes-to-it-38408859.html

You would love to think so, actually they can’t wait to get a shot at the Dubs. Contrary to what most people think Kerry is not called The Kingdom because of football, anyway I’m sure they’ll win one or two more All Irelands in the future. Regards Whelan’s article, have you any idea what he is up to here?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 16, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 16, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!

FFS The Jackeens' cute hoorism has turned a few pages for this one, for bleedin' sure!  :P
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 16, 2019, 10:01:30 PM
Usually, by this stage of the proceedings, the main event would also be the main discussion point on this board -- have things gone so awry, gone so utterly devoid of unpredictability that the dreary inevitability of the result of this one (no offence Ciarraí) has rendered any pondering thereon such an inescapably futile exercise?

Gough is a good referee, perhaps the best around right now, and his being domiciled in Dublin really doesn't play a part.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 16, 2019, 11:09:31 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!


Yes I'd have the game at 4/6 Dublin 6/4 Kerry 10/1 Draw! The year is 2015!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on August 16, 2019, 11:27:52 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!
Nothing ridiculous about the odds, was similar odds for the Semi final v Mayo which Dublin won by 10 points.  Many first time challengers would be more solid defensively than this current Kerry team.  Its 70/30 game in favour of Dublin i reckon.

In 1974 Dublin won their first senior AI for 11 years a bit different from the 2019 Dublin team going for 5 in a row.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 16, 2019, 11:42:23 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!
Nothing ridiculous about the odds, was similar odds for the Semi final v Mayo which Dublin won by 10 points.  Many first time challengers would be more solid defensively than this current Kerry team.  Its 70/30 game in favour of Dublin i reckon.

In 1974 Dublin won their first senior AI for 11 years a bit different from the 2019 Dublin team going for 5 in a row.

In 1974 they had won their first Leinster in 9 years. They had not been even in the Leinster final the previous 8 years! They were as much a novice team as Kerry.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: grassHarrow on August 18, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Dublin trained in Clare this weekend and on Sat they had 10 hired security personal surrounding the Cooraclare pitch ....  just in case some Kerry lads crossed the Shannon !
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 18, 2019, 08:29:37 PM
Eddie van Halen is the guitarist in the yellow jacket

I think he looks a bit like Jim Gavin

https://youtu.be/SwYN7mTi6HM
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WT4E on August 19, 2019, 11:01:38 AM
Dublin -6 on the handicap - printing money.

14 points in the hurling probably be 14 in the football as well - hardly a classic year!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 19, 2019, 11:46:19 AM
The doubt about the football final is we don't know how good Kerry might be.

I would have loved to have played them last year, as even though Clifford and O'Se were emerging as stars, Geaney and JOD were struggling and their defence was just absymal!

This year, the turnaround in their defence has been huge. I presume credit has to go to Keane in that regard. Add in the form of Geaney and O'Brien to an improved again Clifford and O'Se and, well, they're All Ireland finalists. 

They played very well against Mayo and turned it into a non-contest (Mayo missing a few in fairness to them). A very good game v Donegal, albeit Donegal didn't turn out to be as good as maybe we thought. Also has to be remembered that Kerry played Donegal without David Moran, who'd be a massive loss. Kerry were not good in the first half v Tyrone, but turned that around very impressively in the second half, and Tommy Walsh adds another wildcard factor.

As is always the case, if you take chances, Dublin will give you chances. If Kerry get 1-on-1s with Dublin defenders they will get a lot of joy. But very hard to do that without leaving 1-on-1s up the other end too, so that's a quandary Keane will have to figure out.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 19, 2019, 12:50:03 PM
The doubt about the football final is we don't know how good Kerry might be.

I would have loved to have played them last year, as even though Clifford and O'Se were emerging as stars, Geaney and JOD were struggling and their defence was just absymal!

This year, the turnaround in their defence has been huge. I presume credit has to go to Keane in that regard. Add in the form of Geaney and O'Brien to an improved again Clifford and O'Se and, well, they're All Ireland finalists. 

They played very well against Mayo and turned it into a non-contest (Mayo missing a few in fairness to them). A very good game v Donegal, albeit Donegal didn't turn out to be as good as maybe we thought. Also has to be remembered that Kerry played Donegal without David Moran, who'd be a massive loss. Kerry were not good in the first half v Tyrone, but turned that around very impressively in the second half, and Tommy Walsh adds another wildcard factor.

As is always the case, if you take chances, Dublin will give you chances. If Kerry get 1-on-1s with Dublin defenders they will get a lot of joy. But very hard to do that without leaving 1-on-1s up the other end too, so that's a quandary Keane will have to figure out.

Bare stats says Kerry have conceded more per game in this years championship than last year.  Main talking point from the Munster final was how poor they were in defence, Cork should have scored a lot more than they did. Against Mayo while they won pulling up Mayo could or should have scored at least 1-20. Against Donegal they did concede 1-20 and again lucky it wasn't a lot more conceded, the following game Donegal managed just 1-10 and were knocked out of the championship.  Tyrone scored 0-18 and their supporters will be taking about their missed chances for some time to come.

Dublin have scored on average 28 points per game this summer it will come as no surprise if they score in and around that average against that Kerry defence. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 19, 2019, 12:57:51 PM
Kerry are so fecked!  ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: joemamas on August 19, 2019, 01:23:37 PM
The doubt about the football final is we don't know how good Kerry might be.

I would have loved to have played them last year, as even though Clifford and O'Se were emerging as stars, Geaney and JOD were struggling and their defence was just absymal!

This year, the turnaround in their defence has been huge. I presume credit has to go to Keane in that regard. Add in the form of Geaney and O'Brien to an improved again Clifford and O'Se and, well, they're All Ireland finalists. 

They played very well against Mayo and turned it into a non-contest (Mayo missing a few in fairness to them). A very good game v Donegal, albeit Donegal didn't turn out to be as good as maybe we thought. Also has to be remembered that Kerry played Donegal without David Moran, who'd be a massive loss. Kerry were not good in the first half v Tyrone, but turned that around very impressively in the second half, and Tommy Walsh adds another wildcard factor.

As is always the case, if you take chances, Dublin will give you chances. If Kerry get 1-on-1s with Dublin defenders they will get a lot of joy. But very hard to do that without leaving 1-on-1s up the other end too, so that's a quandary Keane will have to figure out.

Have to disagree.
I was at the semi-final, and the Tyrone forwards were so dominant, that their outfield players were just hoofing it in, and still were winning 80% of the ball.
Kerry's full-back line is brutal. I have a feeling they will employ a sweeper(s) to stay in the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thejuice on August 19, 2019, 04:50:14 PM
I didn’t think the majority of the Yerra-tales would be coming out of Dublin!

Would ye stop. Dublin will win comfortably enough.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2019, 05:15:33 PM
The doubt about the football final is we don't know how good Kerry might be.

I would have loved to have played them last year, as even though Clifford and O'Se were emerging as stars, Geaney and JOD were struggling and their defence was just absymal!

This year, the turnaround in their defence has been huge. I presume credit has to go to Keane in that regard. Add in the form of Geaney and O'Brien to an improved again Clifford and O'Se and, well, they're All Ireland finalists. 

They played very well against Mayo and turned it into a non-contest (Mayo missing a few in fairness to them). A very good game v Donegal, albeit Donegal didn't turn out to be as good as maybe we thought. Also has to be remembered that Kerry played Donegal without David Moran, who'd be a massive loss. Kerry were not good in the first half v Tyrone, but turned that around very impressively in the second half, and Tommy Walsh adds another wildcard factor.

As is always the case, if you take chances, Dublin will give you chances. If Kerry get 1-on-1s with Dublin defenders they will get a lot of joy. But very hard to do that without leaving 1-on-1s up the other end too, so that's a quandary Keane will have to figure out.

Have to disagree.
I was at the semi-final, and the Tyrone forwards were so dominant, that their outfield players were just hoofing it in, and still were winning 80% of the ball.
Kerry's full-back line is brutal. I have a feeling they will employ a sweeper(s) to stay in the game.

It wasn't even diagonal balls - it was just hoofed up in the air lol. (That's not a critique of their kick passing - they were doing what was needed).
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on August 19, 2019, 05:47:10 PM
Look what Tyrone did to the Kerry defence with one good forward in McShane, imagine what O’Callaghan, Mannion and Co will do. Although the Kerry forwards have the quality to get plenty of joy out of the Dubs backline if Kerry manage to get the ball that far.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 19, 2019, 10:54:10 PM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2         Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2019, 12:52:51 AM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2 Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

Can get Kerry at 5/1
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 20, 2019, 09:44:21 AM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2         Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row
Can you get odds on when attendances collapse ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 20, 2019, 10:39:47 AM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2 Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

Can get Kerry at 5/1
Ros were 4/1  for Castlebar and Salthill........
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 20, 2019, 11:13:09 AM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2         Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

I'm not one to cry about Dublin whatsoever but this is actually scary its a thing.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 20, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 20, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 20, 2019, 01:04:55 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: joemamas on August 20, 2019, 01:27:30 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.

Thanks Kerry for Sam.
You better set up under a new alias.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 20, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.

Thanks Kerry for Sam.
You better set up under a new alias.

Sure it happens in every game club and county, your winning by a bit, slow it down, hold the ball, run it, its more common sense than anything. The guy above thinks money makes the dubs do it.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: joemamas on August 20, 2019, 01:36:53 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.

Thanks Kerry for Sam.
You better set up under a new alias.

Sure it happens in every game club and county, your winning by a bit, slow it down, hold the ball, run it, its more common sense than anything. The guy above thinks money makes the dubs do it.

Thanks Kerry for sam
you are now up to 503 posts  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 20, 2019, 01:41:07 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.

Thanks Kerry for Sam.
You better set up under a new alias.

Sure it happens in every game club and county, your winning by a bit, slow it down, hold the ball, run it, its more common sense than anything. The guy above thinks money makes the dubs do it.

Thanks Kerry for sam
you are now up to 503 posts  ;D ;D

Please dont compare me with him. thanks.

However i agree some posters out there like @mup and @seafoid and couple of the mayo posters could possibly be him posting idiotic posts.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on August 21, 2019, 05:44:44 PM
Last two years when Dublin last took the lead in championship games.

2018
V Wicklow - 1st minute
v Longford - 1st minute
v Laois - 19th minute (Dublin goal put them ahead)
v Donegal - 25th minute (Donegal lead up to the 22nd minute)
v Tyrone - 22nd Minute (Dublin goal put them ahead)
v Roscommon - 6th minute (dead rubber)
v Galway - 27th minute (Dublin goal put them ahead)
v Tyrone - 22nd minute

2019
v Louth - 5th minute
v Kildare - 4th minute
v Meath - 11th minute (the first score of the game)
v Cork 18th minute
v Roscommon - 11th minute
v Tyrone - 8th minute
v Mayo 36th minute (Dublin goal put them ahead)


I think most of us will agree that Dublin are going to win this final but what might be most interesting about this match is if Kerry take the lead and how long can they hold onto that lead?

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: APM on August 21, 2019, 06:00:22 PM
The Mayo game was the only Championship game in the last two years where they were behind at all in the second half - and that only lasted a minute
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 23, 2019, 05:15:47 PM
In 1955 Dublin reached the final as red-hot favourites against Kerry. The Dubs were a team of superstars led by Kevin Heffernan. They had hammered Meath (5-12 – 0-7) in the Leinster Final. Meath were the All Ireland champions from the previous year. Kerry won the Sam Maguire.

The Dubs should beware next week.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qD6VbvE1mIU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qD6VbvE1mIU)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: grassHarrow on August 23, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
2014: there was lad caught with a cam-recorder up a tree beside Fitzgerald stadium before the AI.
2019: a number of drones were seen flying over Fitzgerald stadium this week during a Kerry training sessions.
I wonder were the Air corps involved in a maneuver !!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
6 days out from football's biggest game of the year and there hadn't been a post since Friday!!
The ONE BIG TEAM  aided and abetted by GAA HQ has killed all interest.
As someone posted earlier, possibly on another thread - first they came for the Leinster Championship......
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 26, 2019, 03:17:29 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 26, 2019, 03:30:06 PM
Lots of talk on Res Dubs and Kerry forum, as well as Hoganstand. I would be looking closer to home as to why a lot of posters dont post on this site . . .

You are right though, its not just the biggest game this year, its the biggest game in GAA history, the two arisotocrats of the game going head to head with all out total football, one hoping to make history and cement the greatest team of all time argument, the other trying to prevent it etc.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tubberman on August 26, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.

Kerry have little chance in reality, and that's why there's not much interest never mind excitement, outside of the two counties involved.
The only reason people think Kerry have a chance is because they're Kerry.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 26, 2019, 03:45:07 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on August 26, 2019, 03:55:39 PM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26232.msg1518814#msg1518814



 ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: joemamas on August 26, 2019, 04:15:25 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

You are kidding right.

I was at the Tyrone V Kerry semi.
Their entire fullback line got cleaned out by Tyrone, who as i mentioned before somewhere, it got to the point that Tyrone were just hoofing it in, as they knew they were going to win the ball.
Their half back line not much better.
One Kerry midfielder, Spillane off at halt-time, didnt get a kick of the ball. They have three/four very good forwards, but will be so focused on shoring up their backs that at least one if not two of them, will spend a lot of time in their own half.
Unless Dublin get a man sent off, they will most likely win by 6+.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 26, 2019, 04:20:44 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.

Kerry have little chance in reality, and that's why there's not much interest never mind excitement, outside of the two counties involved.
The only reason people think Kerry have a chance is because they're Kerry.
That's it in a nutshell. I might place bet on the margin of Dublin's win just to make it a more interesting watch. Any suggestions on the margin?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 04:25:03 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

Mayo were flogged twice this year! First they had to play 3 weeks in a row to Down (away), Armagh (home) and Galway (Limerick) while Kerry rested, waited and planed for a home tie against them in week 4.

Same for the game v Dublin Mayo played tough games against Kerry (away), Meath (Croker) and Donegal (home) while a rested Dublin played Cork (Home), Roscommon (home) and played their 'B' team to Tyrone (away).

The lead up to both games left Mayo shagged! Don't get me wrong they would have lost both! But to read anything into either results means nothing as the leads up was not on a level playing field. But hey, the GAA is full of non level playing fields.

Anyway, Up the Dubs! Really hope ye do it!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 26, 2019, 04:30:38 PM
Peter Keane : “We are going into an All-Ireland final with a team that does not contain a lot of experienced players. Some fellas are trying to say that we do but we don’t.2

Kerry isn't comparable to Dublin in that regard 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 26, 2019, 04:37:15 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.

Kerry have little chance in reality, and that's why there's not much interest never mind excitement, outside of the two counties involved.
The only reason people think Kerry have a chance is because they're Kerry.
That's it in a nutshell. I might place bet on the margin of Dublin's win just to make it a more interesting watch. Any suggestions on the margin?

Kerry have a bit of a chance because they have 4 scoring forwards in Seany O'Shea, Stevie O'Brien, Davey Clifford and Paul Geaney.  Its whether they can keep Dublin at Bay the other way which is the big problem.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 26, 2019, 04:49:05 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.

Kerry have little chance in reality, and that's why there's not much interest never mind excitement, outside of the two counties involved.
The only reason people think Kerry have a chance is because they're Kerry.
That's it in a nutshell. I might place bet on the margin of Dublin's win just to make it a more interesting watch. Any suggestions on the margin?

Kerry have a bit of a chance because they have 4 scoring forwards in Seany O'Shea, Stevie O'Brien, Davey Clifford and Paul Geaney.  Its whether they can keep Dublin at Bay the other way which is the big problem.
Maybe next year they will.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 26, 2019, 05:14:09 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

Mayo were flogged twice this year! First they had to play 3 weeks in a row to Down (away), Armagh (home) and Galway (Limerick) while Kerry rested, waited and planed for a home tie against them in week 4.

Same for the game v Dublin Mayo played tough games against Kerry (away), Meath (Croker) and Donegal (home) while a rested Dublin played Cork (Home), Roscommon (home) and played their 'B' team to Tyrone (away).

The lead up to both games left Mayo shagged! Don't get me wrong they would have lost both! But to read anything into either results means nothing as the leads up was not on a level playing field. But hey, the GAA is full of non level playing fields.

Anyway, Up the Dubs! Really hope ye do it!

Mayo had that route because they lost to Roscommon. That has nothing to do with non-level playing fields - every county risks a long trip through the qualifiers if they lose early. It didn't cost them in other campaigns.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 26, 2019, 05:26:49 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.

Kerry have little chance in reality, and that's why there's not much interest never mind excitement, outside of the two counties involved.
The only reason people think Kerry have a chance is because they're Kerry.
That's it in a nutshell. I might place bet on the margin of Dublin's win just to make it a more interesting watch. Any suggestions on the margin?

Kerry have a bit of a chance because they have 4 scoring forwards in Seany O'Shea, Stevie O'Brien, Davey Clifford and Paul Geaney.  Its whether they can keep Dublin at Bay the other way which is the big problem.

Two of those forwards are still young lads who won't have faced the intensity and intimidation they are about to face on Sunday.

You need a fairly decent defence to stand a chance v Dublin. In the next year or two they should improve defensively but right now I can't help but think this All Ireland final has come too soon for a Kerry team in transition.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 26, 2019, 05:44:59 PM
I think the Kerry backs are better than they are given credit for. We all know Dublin are rightly favourites and a lot needs to go right for Kerry but Kerry have a lot of quality and have a subs bench so I expect them to put up a good show. It'll be a massive shock if they win but I think it could be a good game and if it's not and Dublin trounce them then hats off to Dublin. They're a great side and capable of giving anyone a good beating but Kerry don't need to be the better team, they just need to be the better team for 70 minutes on Sunday. I'm looking forward to it anyway.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 05:50:16 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

Mayo were flogged twice this year! First they had to play 3 weeks in a row to Down (away), Armagh (home) and Galway (Limerick) while Kerry rested, waited and planed for a home tie against them in week 4.

Same for the game v Dublin Mayo played tough games against Kerry (away), Meath (Croker) and Donegal (home) while a rested Dublin played Cork (Home), Roscommon (home) and played their 'B' team to Tyrone (away).

The lead up to both games left Mayo shagged! Don't get me wrong they would have lost both! But to read anything into either results means nothing as the leads up was not on a level playing field. But hey, the GAA is full of non level playing fields.

Anyway, Up the Dubs! Really hope ye do it!

Mayo had that route because they lost to Roscommon. That has nothing to do with non-level playing fields - every county risks a long trip through the qualifiers if they lose early. It didn't cost them in other campaigns.

Look at the rest time in other campaigns! No excuses for the defeats, just they went into both those games shagged! And the lead up games had an effect on the manner of their defeats. If you think otherwise you clearly do not have any idea of recovery time from bruising intercounty games.

Sure they lost to Roscommon! But does this mean that you have to treat amateur players like dogs for this?

If you are not happy with losers going back into the AI competition. Then feck them out when they lose, don't be putting them in unrealistic situations.

Best of Luck in the final! I'll be cheering for you! (I'll be cheering for you in next years final as well!)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 26, 2019, 06:27:12 PM
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0823/1070607-see-yiz-in-coppers-how-to-make-a-memorable-gaa-victory-speech/
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 06:29:48 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.
There's not much interest anywhere outside the 2 Counties Zulu.
Well done to all who contributed to this sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: larryin89 on August 26, 2019, 06:31:22 PM
"the difference in hype/interest/excitement compared to 2011 is chalk and cheese " 

Now that's coming from my gasun a seventeen year old living in Dublin .  I asked him why does he think that is , ' any of my mates that have an interest just expect to win handy , they don't admit it but I think they're actually bored at this stage '
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 26, 2019, 06:33:53 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.
There's not much interest anywhere outside the 2 Counties Zulu.
Well done to all who contributed to this sad state of affairs.

If you have been going to games then you did too...
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2019, 06:35:29 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.

Kerry have little chance in reality, and that's why there's not much interest never mind excitement, outside of the two counties involved.
The only reason people think Kerry have a chance is because they're Kerry.
That's it in a nutshell. I might place bet on the margin of Dublin's win just to make it a more interesting watch. Any suggestions on the margin?

If you do bet, go for Dublin by 10. Double figure digits wins all campaign so far apart from the coma in Omagh.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 26, 2019, 06:52:53 PM
Any discussion about Dublin on this forum quickly gets turned into something about funding, financial doping, dubs players are professionals etc so there's not much point in dubs fans trying to discuss football matters.

I'm looking forward to the game anyway. Unlike the hurling final I doubt any tickets will go on general sale!!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 26, 2019, 06:56:18 PM
Any discussion about Dublin on this forum quickly gets turned into something about funding, financial doping, dubs players are professionals etc so there's not much point in dubs fans trying to discuss football matters.

I'm looking forward to the game anyway. Unlike the hurling final I doubt any tickets will go on general sale!!!

I think it will be a good game and closer than people expect. Excited to see what Kerry bring but still think Dublin will win by 4
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 26, 2019, 07:05:48 PM
Yeah we all know how good Dublin are.  This will now tell us how good Kerry really are. I think they are a bit off this level but I could see them having more belief than anyone else at least with their tradition.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 26, 2019, 08:28:47 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

 Looks like Kerry are still well ahead in terms of cute hoorism it seems
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 08:43:03 PM
Any discussion about Dublin on this forum quickly gets turned into something about funding, financial doping, dubs players are professionals etc so there's not much point in dubs fans trying to discuss football matters.

I'm looking forward to the game anyway. Unlike the hurling final I doubt any tickets will go on general sale!!!

Oh ya poor thing having to put up with all these discussions of Financial Doping. Would it be any help if we put our heads in the sand like most of the Media (which is based in the Capital). Or even headquarters who are at the same lark.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on August 26, 2019, 08:45:12 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.

Kerry have little chance in reality, and that's why there's not much interest never mind excitement, outside of the two counties involved.
The only reason people think Kerry have a chance is because they're Kerry.
That's it in a nutshell. I might place bet on the margin of Dublin's win just to make it a more interesting watch. Any suggestions on the margin?

If you do bet, go for Dublin by 10. Double figure digits wins all campaign so far apart from the coma in Omagh.

Dublin to win by 7 to 9 points at 4/1 looks like a good bet to me. TBH i'm looking forward to the Minor AI final more so than the senior one as it should be a more competitive contest that will likely be decided in the final quarter.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 26, 2019, 08:52:22 PM
Any discussion about Dublin on this forum quickly gets turned into something about funding, financial doping, dubs players are professionals etc so there's not much point in dubs fans trying to discuss football matters.

I'm looking forward to the game anyway. Unlike the hurling final I doubt any tickets will go on general sale!!!

Oh ya poor thing having to put up with all these discussions of Financial Doping. Would it be any help if we put our heads in the sand like most of the Media (which is based in the Capital). Or even headquarters who are at the same lark.
Maybe now people see why dubs fans here don't bother trying to discuss the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 08:53:21 PM
Any discussion about Dublin on this forum quickly gets turned into something about funding, financial doping, dubs players are professionals etc so there's not much point in dubs fans trying to discuss football matters.

I'm looking forward to the game anyway. Unlike the hurling final I doubt any tickets will go on general sale!!!

Oh ya poor thing having to put up with all these discussions of Financial Doping. Would it be any help if we put our heads in the sand like most of the Media (which is based in the Capital). Or even headquarters who are at the same lark.
Maybe now people see why dubs fans here don't bother trying to discuss the game.

What Game?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 26, 2019, 09:09:27 PM
Any discussion about Dublin on this forum quickly gets turned into something about funding, financial doping, dubs players are professionals etc so there's not much point in dubs fans trying to discuss football matters.

I'm looking forward to the game anyway. Unlike the hurling final I doubt any tickets will go on general sale!!!

Oh ya poor thing having to put up with all these discussions of Financial Doping. Would it be any help if we put our heads in the sand like most of the Media (which is based in the Capital). Or even headquarters who are at the same lark.
Maybe now people see why dubs fans here don't bother trying to discuss the game.

What Game?
I do apologise, I was talking about the All Ireland final this weekend.

I should have realised that as Mayo are not in the final this year and the fact the final is on earlier in the year than it has been previously I can see why you're confused.

You probably don't even know that it's a Dublin v Kerry final because you don't have any interest in the dublin team or anything to do with dublin gaa in the county in general
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
Any discussion about Dublin on this forum quickly gets turned into something about funding, financial doping, dubs players are professionals etc so there's not much point in dubs fans trying to discuss football matters.

I'm looking forward to the game anyway. Unlike the hurling final I doubt any tickets will go on general sale!!!

Oh ya poor thing having to put up with all these discussions of Financial Doping. Would it be any help if we put our heads in the sand like most of the Media (which is based in the Capital). Or even headquarters who are at the same lark.
Maybe now people see why dubs fans here don't bother trying to discuss the game.

What Game?
I do apologise, I was talking about the All Ireland final this weekend.

I should have realised that as Mayo are not in the final this year and the fact the final is on earlier in the year than it has been previously I can see why you're confused.

You probably don't even know that it's a Dublin v Kerry final because you don't have any interest in the dublin team or anything to do with dublin gaa in the county in general

Oh that Game. Had forgot about it! Beginning to mean less and less.

I'll be shouting for the Dubs. Really hope they do it! Dublin losing would be a disaster for the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on August 26, 2019, 09:37:26 PM
Any news on the teams yet?

Brogan or Connolly to start instead of Scully? Is that likely?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 10:57:05 PM
Any news on the teams yet?

Brogan or Connolly to start instead of Scully? Is that likely?

Alan Brogan has as much of a chance of starting as Bernard!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 26, 2019, 11:12:02 PM
Any news on the teams yet?

Brogan or Connolly to start instead of Scully? Is that likely?
Brogan probably won't make the 26. Connolly i'd say will only be introduced late on if Dublin have the game already won.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 26, 2019, 11:21:00 PM
Any discussion about Dublin on this forum quickly gets turned into something about funding, financial doping, dubs players are professionals etc so there's not much point in dubs fans trying to discuss football matters.

I'm looking forward to the game anyway. Unlike the hurling final I doubt any tickets will go on general sale!!!

Oh ya poor thing having to put up with all these discussions of Financial Doping. Would it be any help if we put our heads in the sand like most of the Media (which is based in the Capital). Or even headquarters who are at the same lark.
Maybe now people see why dubs fans here don't bother trying to discuss the game.

What Game?
I do apologise, I was talking about the All Ireland final this weekend.

I should have realised that as Mayo are not in the final this year and the fact the final is on earlier in the year than it has been previously I can see why you're confused.

You probably don't even know that it's a Dublin v Kerry final because you don't have any interest in the dublin team or anything to do with dublin gaa in the county in general

Oh that Game. Had forgot about it! Beginning to mean less and less.

I'll be shouting for the Dubs. Really hope they do it! Dublin losing would be a disaster for the game.

You keep waffling and wailing on here about Dublin and howthey are the big bad wolf of the GAA world but it's all pointless. Actually do something about if you actually believe what you post on here. Take it up with your club in Mayo and look to have a motion presented to congress, e-mail that other bitter troll Ewan McKenna and work on a Dublin funding story with him or heaven forbid call Joe Duffy and talk to joe!!

Any of the above would be more productive towards your vendetta against funding for Dublin GAA than your tirades here
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 11:40:24 PM

You keep waffling and wailing on here about Dublin and howthey are the big bad wolf of the GAA world but it's all pointless. Actually do something about if you actually believe what you post on here. Take it up with your club in Mayo and look to have a motion presented to congress, e-mail that other bitter troll Ewan McKenna and work on a Dublin funding story with him or heaven forbid call Joe Duffy and talk to joe!!

Any of the above would be more productive towards your vendetta against funding for Dublin GAA than your tirades here

Dublin are not the Big Bad Wolfe, the hand that feeds them are! I have no malice toward Dublin GAA, their team or their fans. They are only the middle guy on all of this.

As for Joe Duffy or going to any National Media source (all based in Dublin). I'd be told where to go as their Sponsors would be none to happy with me putting a dent in their promotional gigs! Money speaks or in a case like mine shuts you up!

You are part of a huge Corporation. Bigger than the GAA itself nearly at this stage. The rest of us are only bit part players who take turns visiting Dublin to play games in your home ground and watching ye collecting Trophies
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 08:35:49 AM
None of the players want to talk about the elephant in the dressing room
 
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/uneventful-dublin-press-nights-leave-only-one-question-what-more-is-there-to-say-1.3997957
“I’m actually not that well up on balance sheets and what’s going on, I really don’t have a clue. From a Dublin point of view, I know we’ve had our house in order for a while and lads are coming through from underage. It’s come together in a good storm at the moment. There’s a lot of pieces of the puzzle that have come together. "
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 27, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
I see Daithi o Se wiped up dog piss with a Dublin jersey. While amusing to some, and probably to most of the sore losers on here, that jersey means a lot to a lot of people and is highly disrepectful. Or is too much to expect some respect from our country brethren, it probably is, similiar incident a few years ago Meath fans were burning Dublin flags outside Croke Park, a soccer mentality it seems exist.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 27, 2019, 09:04:03 AM
Any news on the teams yet?

Brogan or Connolly to start instead of Scully? Is that likely?

Bernard will do well to make the 26.

Dublin forwards are set in stone:
Howard - Kilkenny - Scully
Rock - Con - Mannion

Backs are more up for grabs. The current incumbents are:
Byrne - Cooper - Fitzsimons
McCaffrey - McCarthy - Small

Byrne and Fitzsimons are the two who's places might be up for grabs. Both have been dropped for AI finals previously. Philly waiting in the wings. I reckon Small will pick up O'Brien, but Murchan could come in for one of the corner backs, and be tasked with taking O'Brien, leaving Small to man-mark O'Shea.

My hunch is that the corner backs will stay as per the semi.
 
The real 50/50 call is at midfield. Will Macauley retain his place or will O'Sullivan come in (with McCarthy pushed into midfield)?

As for the bench, Connolly and Bugler will cover wing forward and midfield.

But for inside forwards there are 4 places between the following 6:
Costello, Kev Mac, Andrews, Paddy Small, Brogan, O'Gara

Brogan and O'Gara lost out at semi final time, going to be hard for either of them to force their way in.


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 27, 2019, 11:50:34 AM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

Mayo were flogged twice this year! First they had to play 3 weeks in a row to Down (away), Armagh (home) and Galway (Limerick) while Kerry rested, waited and planed for a home tie against them in week 4.

Same for the game v Dublin Mayo played tough games against Kerry (away), Meath (Croker) and Donegal (home) while a rested Dublin played Cork (Home), Roscommon (home) and played their 'B' team to Tyrone (away).

The lead up to both games left Mayo shagged! Don't get me wrong they would have lost both! But to read anything into either results means nothing as the leads up was not on a level playing field. But hey, the GAA is full of non level playing fields.

Anyway, Up the Dubs! Really hope ye do it!

Mayo had that route because they lost to Roscommon. That has nothing to do with non-level playing fields - every county risks a long trip through the qualifiers if they lose early. It didn't cost them in other campaigns.

Look at the rest time in other campaigns! No excuses for the defeats, just they went into both those games shagged! And the lead up games had an effect on the manner of their defeats. If you think otherwise you clearly do not have any idea of recovery time from bruising intercounty games.

Sure they lost to Roscommon! But does this mean that you have to treat amateur players like dogs for this?

If you are not happy with losers going back into the AI competition. Then feck them out when they lose, don't be putting them in unrealistic situations.

Best of Luck in the final! I'll be cheering for you! (I'll be cheering for you in next years final as well!)

Amazingly the system is set up to treat any players on any team "like dogs" when you lose your first game. You're coming across like a real child here.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 27, 2019, 11:50:51 AM
I see Daithi o Se wiped up dog piss with a Dublin jersey. While amusing to some, and probably to most of the sore losers on here, that jersey means a lot to a lot of people and is highly disrepectful. Or is too much to expect some respect from our country brethren, it probably is, similiar incident a few years ago Meath fans were burning Dublin flags outside Croke Park, a soccer mentality it seems exist.

That's not even funny never mind the disrespect thing.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 27, 2019, 12:01:14 PM
Great interview with Andy Moran on the Second Captains this morning. Very sad he never got an All Ireland, you could never begrudge a gentleman like him.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tubberman on August 27, 2019, 12:15:34 PM
I see Daithi o Se wiped up dog piss with a Dublin jersey. While amusing to some, and probably to most of the sore losers on here, that jersey means a lot to a lot of people and is highly disrepectful. Or is too much to expect some respect from our country brethren, it probably is, similiar incident a few years ago Meath fans were burning Dublin flags outside Croke Park, a soccer mentality it seems exist.



There was no dog piss, it was a joke, a shite one but it's The Rose of Tralee ffs...
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 27, 2019, 12:17:33 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

Mayo were flogged twice this year! First they had to play 3 weeks in a row to Down (away), Armagh (home) and Galway (Limerick) while Kerry rested, waited and planed for a home tie against them in week 4.

Same for the game v Dublin Mayo played tough games against Kerry (away), Meath (Croker) and Donegal (home) while a rested Dublin played Cork (Home), Roscommon (home) and played their 'B' team to Tyrone (away).

The lead up to both games left Mayo shagged! Don't get me wrong they would have lost both! But to read anything into either results means nothing as the leads up was not on a level playing field. But hey, the GAA is full of non level playing fields.

Anyway, Up the Dubs! Really hope ye do it!

Mayo had that route because they lost to Roscommon. That has nothing to do with non-level playing fields - every county risks a long trip through the qualifiers if they lose early. It didn't cost them in other campaigns.

Look at the rest time in other campaigns! No excuses for the defeats, just they went into both those games shagged! And the lead up games had an effect on the manner of their defeats. If you think otherwise you clearly do not have any idea of recovery time from bruising intercounty games.

Sure they lost to Roscommon! But does this mean that you have to treat amateur players like dogs for this?

If you are not happy with losers going back into the AI competition. Then feck them out when they lose, don't be putting them in unrealistic situations.

Best of Luck in the final! I'll be cheering for you! (I'll be cheering for you in next years final as well!)

Amazingly the system is set up to treat any players on any team "like dogs" when you lose your first game. You're coming across like a real child here.

 "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 12:27:41 PM
I see Daithi o Se wiped up dog piss with a Dublin jersey. While amusing to some, and probably to most of the sore losers on here, that jersey means a lot to a lot of people and is highly disrepectful. Or is too much to expect some respect from our country brethren, it probably is, similiar incident a few years ago Meath fans were burning Dublin flags outside Croke Park, a soccer mentality it seems exist.



There was no dog piss, it was a joke, a shite one but it's The Rose of Tralee ffs...
It was a response to a joke video from Pat Shortt where he recommended using a discarded KK flag to pick up dogshit

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 27, 2019, 12:34:19 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

Mayo were flogged twice this year! First they had to play 3 weeks in a row to Down (away), Armagh (home) and Galway (Limerick) while Kerry rested, waited and planed for a home tie against them in week 4.

Same for the game v Dublin Mayo played tough games against Kerry (away), Meath (Croker) and Donegal (home) while a rested Dublin played Cork (Home), Roscommon (home) and played their 'B' team to Tyrone (away).

The lead up to both games left Mayo shagged! Don't get me wrong they would have lost both! But to read anything into either results means nothing as the leads up was not on a level playing field. But hey, the GAA is full of non level playing fields.

Anyway, Up the Dubs! Really hope ye do it!

Mayo had that route because they lost to Roscommon. That has nothing to do with non-level playing fields - every county risks a long trip through the qualifiers if they lose early. It didn't cost them in other campaigns.

Look at the rest time in other campaigns! No excuses for the defeats, just they went into both those games shagged! And the lead up games had an effect on the manner of their defeats. If you think otherwise you clearly do not have any idea of recovery time from bruising intercounty games.

Sure they lost to Roscommon! But does this mean that you have to treat amateur players like dogs for this?

If you are not happy with losers going back into the AI competition. Then feck them out when they lose, don't be putting them in unrealistic situations.

Best of Luck in the final! I'll be cheering for you! (I'll be cheering for you in next years final as well!)

Amazingly the system is set up to treat any players on any team "like dogs" when you lose your first game. You're coming across like a real child here.

 "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".

Apparently you think its alright to equate my opinions on the GAA with the homicidal indifference of the wife of a historical tyrant.

You think that is ok because

1. You don't know me
2. Hey its the internet and
3. My own hurt as a Mayo fan crushed by an unfair system cannot be in any way equated with the experience of, or understood by, a Dublin fan, who is part of this elite.

Those rationalisations are fundamentally immature, hence my comment about you acting like a child.

Like you (I assume) I get up and work hard every day. Like you (I assume) I take my son to the local GAA club and help out with training and matches (when I can, I'm not a martyr to it). Like you (I assume) I've played both club and schools GAA, though I never played senior for my club, and my modest achievements were all at colleges level. Like you (I know) I follow my county passionately.

Unlike you, I can ascribe all those values and characteristics to you without having met you.

I've spent a large part of my professional life producing and directing television coverage of GAA sports - I've been to most of the county grounds in the country and met volunteers for clubs and counties at every ground we've pitched up at. I've always treated those people with the same respect I would expect if they were pitching up at my club. And that fundamental extension of respect seems to be beyond you.

There are numerous threads for Dublin funding issues. I (and probably a lot of others) would like to discuss the game on Sunday on this thread. Perhaps you could extend us that respect?

A bit of cop on would not go amiss.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 12:50:03 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

Mayo were flogged twice this year! First they had to play 3 weeks in a row to Down (away), Armagh (home) and Galway (Limerick) while Kerry rested, waited and planed for a home tie against them in week 4.

Same for the game v Dublin Mayo played tough games against Kerry (away), Meath (Croker) and Donegal (home) while a rested Dublin played Cork (Home), Roscommon (home) and played their 'B' team to Tyrone (away).

The lead up to both games left Mayo shagged! Don't get me wrong they would have lost both! But to read anything into either results means nothing as the leads up was not on a level playing field. But hey, the GAA is full of non level playing fields.

Anyway, Up the Dubs! Really hope ye do it!

Mayo had that route because they lost to Roscommon. That has nothing to do with non-level playing fields - every county risks a long trip through the qualifiers if they lose early. It didn't cost them in other campaigns.

Look at the rest time in other campaigns! No excuses for the defeats, just they went into both those games shagged! And the lead up games had an effect on the manner of their defeats. If you think otherwise you clearly do not have any idea of recovery time from bruising intercounty games.

Sure they lost to Roscommon! But does this mean that you have to treat amateur players like dogs for this?

If you are not happy with losers going back into the AI competition. Then feck them out when they lose, don't be putting them in unrealistic situations.

Best of Luck in the final! I'll be cheering for you! (I'll be cheering for you in next years final as well!)

Amazingly the system is set up to treat any players on any team "like dogs" when you lose your first game. You're coming across like a real child here.

 "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".

Apparently you think its alright to equate my opinions on the GAA with the homicidal indifference of the wife of a historical tyrant.

You think that is ok because

1. You don't know me
2. Hey its the internet and
3. My own hurt as a Mayo fan crushed by an unfair system cannot be in any way equated with the experience of, or understood by, a Dublin fan, who is part of this elite.

Those rationalisations are fundamentally immature, hence my comment about you acting like a child.

Like you (I assume) I get up and work hard every day. Like you (I assume) I take my son to the local GAA club and help out with training and matches (when I can, I'm not a martyr to it). Like you (I assume) I've played both club and schools GAA, though I never played senior for my club, and my modest achievements were all at colleges level. Like you (I know) I follow my county passionately.

Unlike you, I can ascribe all those values and characteristics to you without having met you.

I've spent a large part of my professional life producing and directing television coverage of GAA sports - I've been to most of the county grounds in the country and met volunteers for clubs and counties at every ground we've pitched up at. I've always treated those people with the same respect I would expect if they were pitching up at my club. And that fundamental extension of respect seems to be beyond you.

There are numerous threads for Dublin funding issues. I (and probably a lot of others) would like to discuss the game on Sunday on this thread. Perhaps you could extend us that respect?

A bit of cop on would not go amiss.

The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.
You can't run a sports competition when one team wins way in advance and the administrators don't care.

"The sight of a once vicious rivalry surviving on life support is the GAA’s primetime product on the third weekend of June in 2019.
So finishes the decade with the Leinster football championship in ruin as any sense of competitiveness is lost. An era that begun with Meath thumping Dublin to the tune of 5-9 to 0-13 in this very fixture concludes with no provincial rivalry to speak about."

"Dublin are a long, long way in front of anyone else," said Colm O'Rourke.
"And maybe the gap is getting bigger all the time. There's no semblance of Dublin being sated by their success so far. It looks as if they want to win, win, win.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/dublin-already-odds-six-row-18920594

I don't think Dublin all Ireland wins are valid any more, in fact. Because they get advantages nobody else does.
Why not take the tournament out of the hands of the GAA and put some decent sports administrators in control ? 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 01:08:11 PM
There is a natural process in sport of excellence  and decline
The Irish rugby team showed it on Saturday

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2019/08/26/woeful-irelands-game-plan-barely-fit-purpose-looking-less/
"A couple of seasons ago, many people, including me, said that Ireland had the greatest depth of talent in their history.
It did not seem so when you witnessed the appreciable gap in talent between their starting XV and bench at Twickenham.
It only got worse when this translated into an incomprehensible tactical performance where a good few players looked lost, with no idea how to find lucidity."

The Dubs are not subject to the same laws.
That ain't right
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 27, 2019, 01:16:32 PM
Loads to talk about and no Dublin fan I know is taking this lightly - this is a serious Kerry team, who beat Mayo by the same score as us, and didn't have to struggle in the first half to do so.

Unfortunately, any discussion of the game gets sidetracked here always. Prefer now to do the chatting IRL because online is just a snake eating itself.

Mayo were flogged twice this year! First they had to play 3 weeks in a row to Down (away), Armagh (home) and Galway (Limerick) while Kerry rested, waited and planed for a home tie against them in week 4.

Same for the game v Dublin Mayo played tough games against Kerry (away), Meath (Croker) and Donegal (home) while a rested Dublin played Cork (Home), Roscommon (home) and played their 'B' team to Tyrone (away).

The lead up to both games left Mayo shagged! Don't get me wrong they would have lost both! But to read anything into either results means nothing as the leads up was not on a level playing field. But hey, the GAA is full of non level playing fields.

Anyway, Up the Dubs! Really hope ye do it!

Mayo had that route because they lost to Roscommon. That has nothing to do with non-level playing fields - every county risks a long trip through the qualifiers if they lose early. It didn't cost them in other campaigns.

Look at the rest time in other campaigns! No excuses for the defeats, just they went into both those games shagged! And the lead up games had an effect on the manner of their defeats. If you think otherwise you clearly do not have any idea of recovery time from bruising intercounty games.

Sure they lost to Roscommon! But does this mean that you have to treat amateur players like dogs for this?

If you are not happy with losers going back into the AI competition. Then feck them out when they lose, don't be putting them in unrealistic situations.

Best of Luck in the final! I'll be cheering for you! (I'll be cheering for you in next years final as well!)

Amazingly the system is set up to treat any players on any team "like dogs" when you lose your first game. You're coming across like a real child here.

 "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".

Apparently you think its alright to equate my opinions on the GAA with the homicidal indifference of the wife of a historical tyrant.

You think that is ok because

1. You don't know me
2. Hey its the internet and
3. My own hurt as a Mayo fan crushed by an unfair system cannot be in any way equated with the experience of, or understood by, a Dublin fan, who is part of this elite.

Those rationalisations are fundamentally immature, hence my comment about you acting like a child.

Like you (I assume) I get up and work hard every day. Like you (I assume) I take my son to the local GAA club and help out with training and matches (when I can, I'm not a martyr to it). Like you (I assume) I've played both club and schools GAA, though I never played senior for my club, and my modest achievements were all at colleges level. Like you (I know) I follow my county passionately.

Unlike you, I can ascribe all those values and characteristics to you without having met you.

I've spent a large part of my professional life producing and directing television coverage of GAA sports - I've been to most of the county grounds in the country and met volunteers for clubs and counties at every ground we've pitched up at. I've always treated those people with the same respect I would expect if they were pitching up at my club. And that fundamental extension of respect seems to be beyond you.

There are numerous threads for Dublin funding issues. I (and probably a lot of others) would like to discuss the game on Sunday on this thread. Perhaps you could extend us that respect?

A bit of cop on would not go amiss.

The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.
You can't run a sports competition when one team wins way in advance and the administrators don't care.

"The sight of a once vicious rivalry surviving on life support is the GAA’s primetime product on the third weekend of June in 2019.
So finishes the decade with the Leinster football championship in ruin as any sense of competitiveness is lost. An era that begun with Meath thumping Dublin to the tune of 5-9 to 0-13 in this very fixture concludes with no provincial rivalry to speak about."

"Dublin are a long, long way in front of anyone else," said Colm O'Rourke.
"And maybe the gap is getting bigger all the time. There's no semblance of Dublin being sated by their success so far. It looks as if they want to win, win, win.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/dublin-already-odds-six-row-18920594

I don't think Dublin all Ireland wins are valid any more, in fact. Because they get advantages nobody else does.
Why not take the tournament out of the hands of the GAA and put some decent sports administrators in control ?

And once again I am being equated with Marie Antionette. With the greatest of respect Seafoid, you are missing my point completely.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 01:34:46 PM
I was making the point that the current football system is broken
The French system of government was also broken but that doesn't equate you to her
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 27, 2019, 01:48:33 PM
The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.


That clearly does equate me to her.

If you want to make a point about the broken state of the football championship there are plenty of threads you can use or you can start one yourself.

There are plenty of people who don't agree with your analysis. It doesn't make them blind/fools/elitists.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 02:55:46 PM
The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.


That clearly does equate me to her.

If you want to make a point about the broken state of the football championship there are plenty of threads you can use or you can start one yourself.

There are plenty of people who don't agree with your analysis. It doesn't make them blind/fools/elitists.
I never said anyone was an elitist or a fool.
I do think a lot of things are going to change in the coming years.
The French Revolution was similar. 

There are enough fans who have given up going to matches to fit the thesis.
Let's see how the attendances look for this year
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 27, 2019, 03:00:15 PM
"Dublin are a long, long way in front of anyone else," said Colm O'Rourke.
"And maybe the gap is getting bigger all the time. There's no semblance of Dublin being sated by their success so far. It looks as if they want to win, win, win.
The same Mr O'Rourke who said in 2011 when Dublin won their first senior All Ireland since 1995 "this Dublin All Ireland win will be great for football" ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 27, 2019, 03:42:30 PM
I see Daithi o Se wiped up dog piss with a Dublin jersey. While amusing to some, and probably to most of the sore losers on here, that jersey means a lot to a lot of people and is highly disrepectful. Or is too much to expect some respect from our country brethren, it probably is, similiar incident a few years ago Meath fans were burning Dublin flags outside Croke Park, a soccer mentality it seems exist.

What sort of ignorant buffoon disrespects a county jersey? I thought that would have been understood in Kerry of all places. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 27, 2019, 04:01:38 PM
The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.


That clearly does equate me to her.

If you want to make a point about the broken state of the football championship there are plenty of threads you can use or you can start one yourself.

There are plenty of people who don't agree with your analysis. It doesn't make them blind/fools/elitists.
I never said anyone was an elitist or a fool.
I do think a lot of things are going to change in the coming years.
The French Revolution was similar. 

There are enough fans who have given up going to matches to fit the thesis.
Let's see how the attendances look for this year

No, you just compared me to an elitist and a fool. As did FTB. For a man who lives and dies by links and written evidence on this board, you're great for avoiding the implications of your own words.

As for the rest, the point remains the same. There are numerous different threads to expound your views on these matters. Is it too much to ask you discuss it on those and let the match be discussed here?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.


That clearly does equate me to her.

If you want to make a point about the broken state of the football championship there are plenty of threads you can use or you can start one yourself.

There are plenty of people who don't agree with your analysis. It doesn't make them blind/fools/elitists.
I never said anyone was an elitist or a fool.
I do think a lot of things are going to change in the coming years.
The French Revolution was similar. 

There are enough fans who have given up going to matches to fit the thesis.
Let's see how the attendances look for this year

No, you just compared me to an elitist and a fool. As did FTB. For a man who lives and dies by links and written evidence on this board, you're great for avoiding the implications of your own words.

As for the rest, the point remains the same. There are numerous different threads to expound your views on these matters. Is it too much to ask you discuss it on those and let the match be discussed here?
Using a quote by someone or comparing a situation to now does not imply anything about you. Sorry
I don't know anything about you.

The match will be over when the Dubs start the ritual handpassing 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 27, 2019, 04:50:57 PM
The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.


That clearly does equate me to her.

If you want to make a point about the broken state of the football championship there are plenty of threads you can use or you can start one yourself.

There are plenty of people who don't agree with your analysis. It doesn't make them blind/fools/elitists.
I never said anyone was an elitist or a fool.
I do think a lot of things are going to change in the coming years.
The French Revolution was similar. 

There are enough fans who have given up going to matches to fit the thesis.
Let's see how the attendances look for this year

No, you just compared me to an elitist and a fool. As did FTB. For a man who lives and dies by links and written evidence on this board, you're great for avoiding the implications of your own words.

As for the rest, the point remains the same. There are numerous different threads to expound your views on these matters. Is it too much to ask you discuss it on those and let the match be discussed here?
Using a quote by someone or comparing a situation to now does not imply anything about you. Sorry
I don't know anything about you.

The match will be over when the Dubs start the ritual handpassing

No you don't know anything about me, otherwise you wouldn't have have compared my lack of knowledge of the broken state of football, to Marie Antoinette's wilful ignorance of the state of the French citizenry prior to the revolution. There is a fairly big implication there. Sorry.

In terms of the match, anyone who thinks Dublin are going to have it easy are discounting a few factors

1. Dublin always start slow in All Ireland finals this decade, even against Tyrone last year the first 20 minutes were a mare (and I think Tyrone didn't have the firepower that Kerry have this year)
2. Dublin's fullback gives up nearly as many chances as Kerry's - for the past five years it has been mentioned as a weakness but no one has been able to exploit it fully (not since Donegal 14 and Kerry 13). A forward unit containing Clifford, Shea, Geaney, O'Brien et al are as good as that line has faced in years - getting possession in to them will be vital.
3. Kerry's defeat of Mayo was as impressive, in its way, as ours. They put them to bed very early and were never out of control. Allowances can be made because it was not knock out, but the divergence in the formline is not as big as the bookies would suggest.
4. The return of Sean Walsh could be a real fly in the ointment for that Dublin full back line. Cooper, Mick Fitz and Davey Byrne would need to have two men on him to contest the ball and win the knockdown and none of them are as good aerially as prime time Rory O'Carroll (given his performance in Tyrone he is not going to be first sub in).

So, I think if there is any ritual handpassing to be done, it will only be in the dying seconds. This has the makings of a shootout and I'm drooling at the prospect.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 27, 2019, 05:08:58 PM
I agree Easytiger95. I think this could be a great game, Kerry have had time to game plan for Dublin and, certainly, from midfield up they match up quite well. Their backs will be under pressure but I think their weakness is way overstated and the Dubs aren't robots, they can underperform. Kerry have the firepower to make this a great final and I genuinely hope it is, irrespective of the result.

I'm looking forward to it and I'm fascinated to see what way Kerry will approach this.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 05:40:48 PM
The Dubs need a strong competitor but this is iteration 1 of this
Kerry team . The Dubs may of course take pleasure in dominating them and imposing the ritual handpassing on them to show who is in charge.

We really need to see the championship attendance figures.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 27, 2019, 05:46:22 PM
I think Kerry have to start well. If Dublin get a lead early it could be difficult for Kerry especially as its the 1st final for alot of the Kerry lads.

How they use Tommy Walsh will be interesting.  I can't see him lasting 70+min but if they're under pressure at half time I can see him being sent on as a target man.

If you're going to beat Dublin you'll need to score goals and that's what gives Kerry a chance. Early goal and they get their tails up you never know...

I belivee Dubs experience and know how will be enough amd they'll win by 3/4 points
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2019, 05:48:06 PM
The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.


That clearly does equate me to her.

If you want to make a point about the broken state of the football championship there are plenty of threads you can use or you can start one yourself.

There are plenty of people who don't agree with your analysis. It doesn't make them blind/fools/elitists.
I never said anyone was an elitist or a fool.
I do think a lot of things are going to change in the coming years.
The French Revolution was similar. 

There are enough fans who have given up going to matches to fit the thesis.
Let's see how the attendances look for this year

No, you just compared me to an elitist and a fool. As did FTB. For a man who lives and dies by links and written evidence on this board, you're great for avoiding the implications of your own words.

As for the rest, the point remains the same. There are numerous different threads to expound your views on these matters. Is it too much to ask you discuss it on those and let the match be discussed here?
Using a quote by someone or comparing a situation to now does not imply anything about you. Sorry
I don't know anything about you.

The match will be over when the Dubs start the ritual handpassing

No you don't know anything about me, otherwise you wouldn't have have compared my lack of knowledge of the broken state of football, to Marie Antoinette's wilful ignorance of the state of the French citizenry prior to the revolution. There is a fairly big implication there. Sorry.
There is a link between the state of play before the French Revolution and GF now. It has nothing to do with you .
Get a grip
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 27, 2019, 05:53:53 PM
I think Kerry have to start well. If Dublin get a lead early it could be difficult for Kerry especially as its the 1st final for alot of the Kerry lads.

How they use Tommy Walsh will be interesting.  I can't see him lasting 70+min but if they're under pressure at half time I can see him being sent on as a target man.

If you're going to beat Dublin you'll need to score goals and that's what gives Kerry a chance. Early goal and they get their tails up you never know...

I belivee Dubs experience and know how will be enough amd they'll win by 3/4 points

Kerry definitely need to score more goals than the Dubs to win but they have the players to do that. I'd imagine Kerry won't go defensive but they will be conscious of not conceding a goal early, or at all if they can. Therefore they may not defend overly aggressively but keep the Dubs on the outside and let them shoot for points in the belief that they can reel them in if their 2-4 behind but if they fall 6 or 7 behind they could be in trouble.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on August 27, 2019, 06:12:19 PM
I don't think that's the reason to be fair. There are very few Dublin or Kerry posters here which is the main reason there's no much discussion. I'm really looking forward to the game and think it could be a great game. Two teams with better forwards than defenders, two teams with a willingness to play an open brand of football. Yes, Dublin are likely winners and may even run out comfortable winners but I felt all year that Kerry are the team with the best shot at upsetting the Dubs and if they get on top in midfield a shock isn't out of the question. I hope Kerry go for it and see how far it gets them.

Kerry have little chance in reality, and that's why there's not much interest never mind excitement, outside of the two counties involved.
The only reason people think Kerry have a chance is because they're Kerry.
That's it in a nutshell. I might place bet on the margin of Dublin's win just to make it a more interesting watch. Any suggestions on the margin?

Kerry have a bit of a chance because they have 4 scoring forwards in Seany O'Shea, Stevie O'Brien, Davey Clifford and Paul Geaney.  Its whether they can keep Dublin at Bay the other way which is the big problem.

Two of those forwards are still young lads who won't have faced the intensity and intimidation they are about to face on Sunday.

You need a fairly decent defence to stand a chance v Dublin. In the next year or two they should improve defensively but right now I can't help but think this All Ireland final has come too soon for a Kerry team in transition.
Don’t think the inexperience will faze them two lads, they’ll give Dublin plenty to think about but unless they’ve found the equivalent of peak Tyrone/Armagh/Mayo defences from this century they will concede too much to stand a chance.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 27, 2019, 07:03:16 PM

In terms of the match, anyone who thinks Dublin are going to have it easy are discounting a few factors

1. Dublin always start slow in All Ireland finals this decade, even against Tyrone last year the first 20 minutes were a mare (and I think Tyrone didn't have the firepower that Kerry have this year)
2. Dublin's fullback gives up nearly as many chances as Kerry's - for the past five years it has been mentioned as a weakness but no one has been able to exploit it fully (not since Donegal 14 and Kerry 13). A forward unit containing Clifford, Shea, Geaney, O'Brien et al are as good as that line has faced in years - getting possession in to them will be vital.
3. Kerry's defeat of Mayo was as impressive, in its way, as ours. They put them to bed very early and were never out of control. Allowances can be made because it was not knock out, but the divergence in the formline is not as big as the bookies would suggest.
4. The return of Sean Walsh could be a real fly in the ointment for that Dublin full back line. Cooper, Mick Fitz and Davey Byrne would need to have two men on him to contest the ball and win the knockdown and none of them are as good aerially as prime time Rory O'Carroll (given his performance in Tyrone he is not going to be first sub in).

So, I think if there is any ritual handpassing to be done, it will only be in the dying seconds. This has the makings of a shootout and I'm drooling at the prospect.

1. The "slow starts" was in no small part to the way both Mayo and Tyrone set themselves up defensively. Tyrone going into last years AI final was scoring on average 22 points per game, Kerry going into Sunday's final are also scoring 22 points per game.

2. Might give up chances but you have to work a lot harder for your scores v Dublin and their record this summer of just 12 points per game conceded speaks for itself, which includes just one goal conceded from open play all summer. In 2014 McGuinness exploited the the gaps that Dublin use to leave in their defence especially when turned over and that's an issue that Jim Gavin has long since repaired.

3. While impressive in closing out that game early (earlier than Dublin v Mayo) it can't be ignored that Kerry were well rested,playing at home against a Mayo team that was on the road a number of weeks,who had injuries and knew it wasn't a do or die game.

4. Tommy i presume you meant? I'll be surprised if he gets more than a sub role and the game could be over by the time he comes on. His influence in the semi final v Tyrone has been overplayed by the media. It was the improvement 2nd half of Geaney,O'Brien,Clifford that more or less won game for Kerry.

Like every other neutral watching i will be hoping we get a good competitive contest but there is a strong argument to be made that Sunday's final will be over as a contest at half time than a shootout game decided in the final quarter, so for many this final match up is not a prospect to droll over.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 27, 2019, 07:57:31 PM
I would say Dublin fans are more nervous this year than last year. Tyrone don't offer any threat to Dublin and that game was over at half time. No one I know believed they had a chance

Kerry have a punchers chance with their forwards and their ability to get goal. That's what makes it nervous for me. Like I said earlier a good start for Kerry can really set up the game for them, especially if Dublin have to push on and chase the game at any stage.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 27, 2019, 09:13:10 PM
I would say Dublin fans are more nervous this year than last year. Tyrone don't offer any threat to Dublin and that game was over at half time. No one I know believed they had a chance

Kerry have a punchers chance with their forwards and their ability to get goal. That's what makes it nervous for me. Like I said earlier a good start for Kerry can really set up the game for them, especially if Dublin have to push on and chase the game at any stage.

I do wonder do the Dublin posters really believe what they are saying. Dublin should be 5 to 10 points better here. I’d love to see a tight game so hope I am wrong but can’t see it. Yes Dublin a bit weaker in fb line than they have been but the Kerry defense is very poor and possibly the weakest in quite a few years in a final.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on August 28, 2019, 12:21:45 AM
Quote
Dublin forwards are set in stone:
Howard - Kilkenny - Scully
Rock - Con - Mannion

I wouldn't say that Jim Gavin is ruthless, wouldn't be surprised if Costello starts instead of Scully.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2019, 12:59:14 AM
Scully been poor this Yr, so Alot of unseen work but not much scoring threat
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 28, 2019, 09:25:42 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/even-by-kerry-standards-this-would-be-an-immortal-win-1.3999321
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 28, 2019, 10:12:27 AM
I would say Dublin fans are more nervous this year than last year. Tyrone don't offer any threat to Dublin and that game was over at half time. No one I know believed they had a chance

Kerry have a punchers chance with their forwards and their ability to get goal. That's what makes it nervous for me. Like I said earlier a good start for Kerry can really set up the game for them, especially if Dublin have to push on and chase the game at any stage.

I do wonder do the Dublin posters really believe what they are saying. Dublin should be 5 to 10 points better here. I’d love to see a tight game so hope I am wrong but can’t see it. Yes Dublin a bit weaker in fb line than they have been but the Kerry defense is very poor and possibly the weakest in quite a few years in a final.

All you have to do is look at the finals the this decade, all very tight games. Something goes wrong early, early goals, red card, finals are always different.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 28, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
I would say Dublin fans are more nervous this year than last year. Tyrone don't offer any threat to Dublin and that game was over at half time. No one I know believed they had a chance

Kerry have a punchers chance with their forwards and their ability to get goal. That's what makes it nervous for me. Like I said earlier a good start for Kerry can really set up the game for them, especially if Dublin have to push on and chase the game at any stage.

I do wonder do the Dublin posters really believe what they are saying. Dublin should be 5 to 10 points better here. I’d love to see a tight game so hope I am wrong but can’t see it. Yes Dublin a bit weaker in fb line than they have been but the Kerry defense is very poor and possibly the weakest in quite a few years in a final.
Absolutely I mean what I say. For all our recent successes against them, the "rivalry" from the 70s was completely one-sided once the final whistle blew in 77, and had been before Heffo's arrival. Kerry do not fear Dublin, in fact, I think their attitude towards us now is one of bewilderment that we didn't crumble away rather than awe at our achievements.

This is going to mean something very big in the Kingdom - derail the machine and you will have immortality a la 1955, 75 and 78. Fail and you will have infamy, always to be remembered as bit players as the greatest prize is won.

Undoubtedly Dublin are favourites, but I really don't think we are going to do this at a canter. Even if Kerry can't match us, Dublin will have their own stresses as posterity looms. They wouldn't be human if that didn't effect them a bit.

 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 28, 2019, 10:25:41 AM
The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.


That clearly does equate me to her.

If you want to make a point about the broken state of the football championship there are plenty of threads you can use or you can start one yourself.

There are plenty of people who don't agree with your analysis. It doesn't make them blind/fools/elitists.
I never said anyone was an elitist or a fool.
I do think a lot of things are going to change in the coming years.
The French Revolution was similar. 

There are enough fans who have given up going to matches to fit the thesis.
Let's see how the attendances look for this year

No, you just compared me to an elitist and a fool. As did FTB. For a man who lives and dies by links and written evidence on this board, you're great for avoiding the implications of your own words.

As for the rest, the point remains the same. There are numerous different threads to expound your views on these matters. Is it too much to ask you discuss it on those and let the match be discussed here?
Using a quote by someone or comparing a situation to now does not imply anything about you. Sorry
I don't know anything about you.

The match will be over when the Dubs start the ritual handpassing

No you don't know anything about me, otherwise you wouldn't have have compared my lack of knowledge of the broken state of football, to Marie Antoinette's wilful ignorance of the state of the French citizenry prior to the revolution. There is a fairly big implication there. Sorry.
There is a link between the state of play before the French Revolution and GF now. It has nothing to do with you .
Get a grip

Perhaps you should read back how you expressed your thoughts and realise how I would think that. It's all in black and white. I even highlighted it for you. Happy for you to apologise/amend at any stage.

By the way, the French revolution was a rebellion on behalf of millions of beaten down oppressed people, faced with a homicidal regime, appalling living standards, curtailed life spans and the brutalisation of the human spirit. So your point is it was almost as bad as the perceived lack of fairness in funding to Dublin GAA???

Get a grip, cop on etc etc
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2019, 10:30:42 AM
I would say Dublin fans are more nervous this year than last year. Tyrone don't offer any threat to Dublin and that game was over at half time. No one I know believed they had a chance

Kerry have a punchers chance with their forwards and their ability to get goal. That's what makes it nervous for me. Like I said earlier a good start for Kerry can really set up the game for them, especially if Dublin have to push on and chase the game at any stage.

I do wonder do the Dublin posters really believe what they are saying. Dublin should be 5 to 10 points better here. I’d love to see a tight game so hope I am wrong but can’t see it. Yes Dublin a bit weaker in fb line than they have been but the Kerry defense is very poor and possibly the weakest in quite a few years in a final.

All you have to do is look at the finals the this decade, all very tight games. Something goes wrong early, early goals, red card, finals are always different.

I said it at the outset of this debate, the bookie’s odds are ridiculous. This is a 50/50 match.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on August 28, 2019, 11:00:05 AM
I would say Dublin fans are more nervous this year than last year. Tyrone don't offer any threat to Dublin and that game was over at half time. No one I know believed they had a chance

Kerry have a punchers chance with their forwards and their ability to get goal. That's what makes it nervous for me. Like I said earlier a good start for Kerry can really set up the game for them, especially if Dublin have to push on and chase the game at any stage.

I do wonder do the Dublin posters really believe what they are saying. Dublin should be 5 to 10 points better here. I’d love to see a tight game so hope I am wrong but can’t see it. Yes Dublin a bit weaker in fb line than they have been but the Kerry defense is very poor and possibly the weakest in quite a few years in a final.

All you have to do is look at the finals the this decade, all very tight games. Something goes wrong early, early goals, red card, finals are always different.

I said it at the outset of this debate, the bookie’s odds are ridiculous. This is a 50/50 match.

Nonsense. If Tyrone had have kept playing the way they were in the first half they would and should have been beating Kerry by 6pts+. and Dublin are 6pts a better team than Tyrone. Dublin won't make the same mistake as Tyrone and should be winning this game pulling up. Don't underestimate how poor the Kerry defence really is.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: rosnarun on August 28, 2019, 11:08:30 AM
The system is broken, EasyTiger. Marie Antoinette didn't understand that either.


That clearly does equate me to her.

If you want to make a point about the broken state of the football championship there are plenty of threads you can use or you can start one yourself.

There are plenty of people who don't agree with your analysis. It doesn't make them blind/fools/elitists.
I never said anyone was an elitist or a fool.
I do think a lot of things are going to change in the coming years.
The French Revolution was similar. 

There are enough fans who have given up going to matches to fit the thesis.
Let's see how the attendances look for this year

No, you just compared me to an elitist and a fool. As did FTB. For a man who lives and dies by links and written evidence on this board, you're great for avoiding the implications of your own words.

As for the rest, the point remains the same. There are numerous different threads to expound your views on these matters. Is it too much to ask you discuss it on those and let the match be discussed here?
Using a quote by someone or comparing a situation to now does not imply anything about you. Sorry
I don't know anything about you.

The match will be over when the Dubs start the ritual handpassing

No you don't know anything about me, otherwise you wouldn't have have compared my lack of knowledge of the broken state of football, to Marie Antoinette's wilful ignorance of the state of the French citizenry prior to the revolution. There is a fairly big implication there. Sorry.
There is a link between the state of play before the French Revolution and GF now. It has nothing to do with you .
Get a grip

Perhaps you should read back how you expressed your thoughts and realise how I would think that. It's all in black and white. I even highlighted it for you. Happy for you to apologise/amend at any stage.

By the way, the French revolution was a rebellion on behalf of millions of beaten down oppressed people, faced with a homicidal regime, appalling living standards, curtailed life spans and the brutalisation of the human spirit. So your point is it was almost as bad as the perceived lack of fairness in funding to Dublin GAA???

Get a grip, cop on etc etc
can we all agree that Easy tiger is not Marie Antoinette  and move on
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 28, 2019, 11:08:46 AM
I would say Dublin fans are more nervous this year than last year. Tyrone don't offer any threat to Dublin and that game was over at half time. No one I know believed they had a chance

Kerry have a punchers chance with their forwards and their ability to get goal. That's what makes it nervous for me. Like I said earlier a good start for Kerry can really set up the game for them, especially if Dublin have to push on and chase the game at any stage.

I do wonder do the Dublin posters really believe what they are saying. Dublin should be 5 to 10 points better here. I’d love to see a tight game so hope I am wrong but can’t see it. Yes Dublin a bit weaker in fb line than they have been but the Kerry defense is very poor and possibly the weakest in quite a few years in a final.

All you have to do is look at the finals the this decade, all very tight games. Something goes wrong early, early goals, red card, finals are always different.

the scoreline doesn't always reflect the game. You were very comfortable last year. Kerry now are different to Kerry the last time you played them You're far better and they're worse. Only Mayo really ran you close.

It really isn't a 50-50 game. I would be happy to be proved wrong on that mind but I really think it's 60-40 (and maybe more) game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 28, 2019, 11:42:41 AM
Dara O Se

 "Dublin’s bench is so strong, Bernard Brogan and Eoghan O’Gara probably won’t make the 26."

You can't talk about the match without talking about why those 2 probably won't make the 26

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
"Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
"Dublin's dominance within Leinster has seen winning margins skyrocket as final attendances have halved in a decade, but Leinster Council CEO Michael Reynolds does not entertain the idea that the provincial championships are a lost cause.
"The Leinster Championship is quite vibrant outside the Dublin scenario. During the summer, you have some very good matches - the same in the other provinces," said Reynolds."


If it is a hammering and they do the ritual humiliation handpass routine to Kerry in Croke Park maybe the debate will open up.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 28, 2019, 12:16:36 PM
Dara O Se

 "Dublin’s bench is so strong, Bernard Brogan and Eoghan O’Gara probably won’t make the 26."

You can't talk about the match without talking about why those 2 probably won't make the 26

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
"Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
"Dublin's dominance within Leinster has seen winning margins skyrocket as final attendances have halved in a decade, but Leinster Council CEO Michael Reynolds does not entertain the idea that the provincial championships are a lost cause.
"The Leinster Championship is quite vibrant outside the Dublin scenario. During the summer, you have some very good matches - the same in the other provinces," said Reynolds."


If it is a hammering and they do the ritual humiliation handpass routine to Kerry in Croke Park maybe the debate will open up.

Because Berno is 35 and because Eoghan is 33 and has never nailed down a starting place and is inconsistent at the best of times - a great servant but he can shoot the lights out one day and the next have a nightmare. Con O'Callaghan has developed this year as a really physical full forward option and he has a lot more football in him then Eoghan (all due respect to him and the vital contributions he made over the years).
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 28, 2019, 12:36:14 PM
Dara O Se

 "Dublin’s bench is so strong, Bernard Brogan and Eoghan O’Gara probably won’t make the 26."

You can't talk about the match without talking about why those 2 probably won't make the 26

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
"Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
"Dublin's dominance within Leinster has seen winning margins skyrocket as final attendances have halved in a decade, but Leinster Council CEO Michael Reynolds does not entertain the idea that the provincial championships are a lost cause.
"The Leinster Championship is quite vibrant outside the Dublin scenario. During the summer, you have some very good matches - the same in the other provinces," said Reynolds."


If it is a hammering and they do the ritual humiliation handpass routine to Kerry in Croke Park maybe the debate will open up.

Because Berno is 35 and because Eoghan is 33 and has never nailed down a starting place and is inconsistent at the best of times - a great servant but he can shoot the lights out one day and the next have a nightmare. Con O'Callaghan has developed this year as a really physical full forward option and he has a lot more football in him then Eoghan (all due respect to him and the vital contributions he made over the years).
Wasn't Andy Moran 35 in the semifinal?
How come there are so many young nippers available to Dublin ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 28, 2019, 01:52:45 PM
1.4 m people, 39,000 Registered GAA players.
Some of them are bound to be between 18 and 22 ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 28, 2019, 02:29:17 PM
Dara O Se

 "Dublin’s bench is so strong, Bernard Brogan and Eoghan O’Gara probably won’t make the 26."

You can't talk about the match without talking about why those 2 probably won't make the 26

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
"Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
"Dublin's dominance within Leinster has seen winning margins skyrocket as final attendances have halved in a decade, but Leinster Council CEO Michael Reynolds does not entertain the idea that the provincial championships are a lost cause.
"The Leinster Championship is quite vibrant outside the Dublin scenario. During the summer, you have some very good matches - the same in the other provinces," said Reynolds."


If it is a hammering and they do the ritual humiliation handpass routine to Kerry in Croke Park maybe the debate will open up.

Because Berno is 35 and because Eoghan is 33 and has never nailed down a starting place and is inconsistent at the best of times - a great servant but he can shoot the lights out one day and the next have a nightmare. Con O'Callaghan has developed this year as a really physical full forward option and he has a lot more football in him then Eoghan (all due respect to him and the vital contributions he made over the years).
Wasn't Andy Moran 35 in the semifinal?
How come there are so many young nippers available to Dublin ?

Seafoid, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Andy Moran was a sub in the semi final, my info was that Berno was going to be a sub, but was injured at the end of the Tyrone game (mentioned by others on the board as well). O'Gara has been on and off match day panels throughput  his (long) career. Berno has been rehabbing a really bad injury, which is difficult to do at his age. For him to be in contention even is a tribute to his determination. But don't mention that, it doesn't conform to your narrative.

As I said before, there are plenty of threads for you to expound your views, and plenty of people who disagree with your analysis (which is allowed). Go have the argument there.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 28, 2019, 02:40:29 PM
Exactly Easytiger95. This is the All Ireland final match thread, there are other threads for those who want to post the same thing they've posted about Dublin's finances 1000 times before. There's a legitimate discuss to be had about GAA financing of Dublin but there's a thread for that so if that interests you post there. If you want to talk about the actual match post here, surely that's a reasonable request? There could be a very good game on Sunday and Dublin are facing a county that hasn't hang ups about anyone and forwards who can post the kind of score to trouble Dublin.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 28, 2019, 02:44:06 PM
Who will mark David Clifford on the Dubs side? I would maybe expect Fitzsimmons on Geaney? I would have thought McMahon probably as good as any to mark him but would be harsh on Byrne to be dropped.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 28, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
I don't see Byrne being dropped but the match ups will be fascinating. There's more focus on what Kerry will do but Dublin have their headaches too and I don't think they've anyone who matches up particularly well with Clifford. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 28, 2019, 02:59:35 PM
No I was thinking that but then sweeping that ball up is maybe what they will go for. I can't see anyone remotely capable of marking Mannion or O'Callaghan in the Kerry side mind you.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 28, 2019, 03:21:20 PM
True, that's one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to this as I think it could be a real shootout. If Kerry fall too far behind it could be a washout but as long as they can stay in touch or get in front it could be a game for the ages. Geaney will take watching and Clifford (bar injury) will surely be in future discussions of the best ever. I don't see Kerry's youth being a disadvantaged as Kerry lads are raised on playing All Ireland finals so if they're good enough, which I think they are, they'll be ready on Sunday.

I don't see either team play a permanent sweeper but will have players dropping back to have a sweeper when they get turned over. I suspect Kerry, like Mayo, will attempt to play keep ball and be patient in attack as you don't want to get turned over by Dublin when your full backs are exposed.

I also think Kerry, like other top teams, will have been planning for Dublin from the start of the year and may have been able to roll out some well thought out plans in the last 3 weeks. Everybody expected to see Dublin here and a few teams would have hoped to be here so I think we'll see a few things that Dublin haven't seen before.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 28, 2019, 03:38:51 PM
One open question is whether or not the 5 in a row will put any pressure on the Dublin team . Kilkenny couldn't overcome it in 2010
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 28, 2019, 04:04:50 PM
True, that's one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to this as I think it could be a real shootout. If Kerry fall too far behind it could be a washout but as long as they can stay in touch or get in front it could be a game for the ages. Geaney will take watching and Clifford (bar injury) will surely be in future discussions of the best ever. I don't see Kerry's youth being a disadvantaged as Kerry lads are raised on playing All Ireland finals so if they're good enough, which I think they are, they'll be ready on Sunday.

I don't see either team play a permanent sweeper but will have players dropping back to have a sweeper when they get turned over. I suspect Kerry, like Mayo, will attempt to play keep ball and be patient in attack as you don't want to get turned over by Dublin when your full backs are exposed.

I also think Kerry, like other top teams, will have been planning for Dublin from the start of the year and may have been able to roll out some well thought out plans in the last 3 weeks. Everybody expected to see Dublin here and a few teams would have hoped to be here so I think we'll see a few things that Dublin haven't seen before.

i think your planning point might hold if they had the defenders for it but they are just very short in defense at the minute. On that front it will also be interesting as to whether Dublin deploy a sweeper. (They can be quite defensive but be interesting what role O'Sullivan plays).

Kerry have "tradition" so will have more belief than anyone that they can take Dublin on but I just think they are a 5-10 point worse team than them. However I also think it is unproven what they are like at this level so could be proven wrong.

It is probably the most interesting final there could be IMO and I know that people are saying it isn't but being from antrim I am always (kind of) neutral and to me Kerry are the only team who have an outside chance of giving Dublin a game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 28, 2019, 04:34:19 PM
I don't think Cian starts unless MDMA loses his place and McCarthy is pushed to midfield. Unlikely that Gavin will make changes in the defence - if people go well for him they tend to stay in. Davey Byrne looks to have reinvented himself this year, and I'd say Mick Fitzsimons is the one under pressure of that back line - but I think he will still start.

I think the sweeper position for Dublin will really depend on who starts and where for Kerry - if Geaney and Clifford stay in close, expect Byrne and Fitzsimons to take them and Jonny to be a spare man, getting on breaks and keeping an eye for O'Brien and Shea breaking in from half forward. If they have a 3 man full forward line, that is when I'd expect to see Cian to get on early - he's terrific (when fit) at providing cover from the half back position - just has a great positional sense, and that could put pressure on Kerry getting ball into their forward line.

I expect the first half to be cagey before it gradually opens up in the second half (in which case Dubs win due to being further down the road conditioning wise). If Kerry though go ahead early and stay ahead into half time, then some doubts could start creeping into Dublin minds. Really can't wait now.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 28, 2019, 04:38:06 PM
I thought Byrne wasn't strong enough physically until I saw him knock Aidan O'Se off the ball in the last game. Yeah I would expect Dublin to remain as is.

The matchups on both ends will be very interesting. I do think Kerry have to go more defensive here or Mannion / O"Callaghan will murder them particularly the latter.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 28, 2019, 11:29:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/im-just-broken-up-mother-devastated-as-shes-scammed-out-of-money-while-trying-to-buy-allireland-final-tickets-38446401.html
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on August 29, 2019, 12:04:09 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/im-just-broken-up-mother-devastated-as-shes-scammed-out-of-money-while-trying-to-buy-allireland-final-tickets-38446401.html
Pardon the language. w**ker
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 29, 2019, 08:00:04 AM
I would say Dublin fans are more nervous this year than last year. Tyrone don't offer any threat to Dublin and that game was over at half time. No one I know believed they had a chance

Kerry have a punchers chance with their forwards and their ability to get goal. That's what makes it nervous for me. Like I said earlier a good start for Kerry can really set up the game for them, especially if Dublin have to push on and chase the game at any stage.

I do wonder do the Dublin posters really believe what they are saying. Dublin should be 5 to 10 points better here. I’d love to see a tight game so hope I am wrong but can’t see it. Yes Dublin a bit weaker in fb line than they have been but the Kerry defense is very poor and possibly the weakest in quite a few years in a final.

All you have to do is look at the finals the this decade, all very tight games. Something goes wrong early, early goals, red card, finals are always different.

I said it at the outset of this debate, the bookie’s odds are ridiculous. This is a 50/50 match.

It isn’t 50-50 at all. It will be a lot closer than people think. Kerry will give you a lot of problems  but it’s not 50-50
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2019, 09:29:46 AM
At best for Kerry I would say it's dubs +5.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Taylor on August 29, 2019, 09:38:18 AM
While I would love it to be a tight game and the GAA need a tight game more than ever, no matter how the Dubs supporters try to dress it up they will win by at least 7.

Not much difference between the firepower on each side but the Dublin defence and their bench are far superior.

The worry would be if it is a tight game it will paper over the cracks in the association.

If, as I expect, it is a damp squib with 25mins to go hopefully it will force the GAA to do something about the imbalance that currently exists between the Dubs and the rest of the country (not Dublin's fault by the way)

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 29, 2019, 10:14:39 AM

The worry would be if it is a tight game it will paper over the cracks in the association.

If, as I expect, it is a damp squib with 25mins to go hopefully it will force the GAA to do something about the imbalance that currently exists between the Dubs and the rest of the country (not Dublin's fault by the way)
Seeing the 2 to 1 vote against and the disparaging comments to the Donegal motion I won't be expecting them to do anything till its 8 in a row....
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on August 29, 2019, 10:35:08 AM
Seeing Kerry's attempt at playing a sweeper system against Tyrone in the semi it would be better for them to go man to man as they clearly did not have the foggiest how a sweeper should play.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on August 29, 2019, 01:02:13 PM
Kerry need to dominate midfield especially on their own kick outs. I have a feeling they will do okay on Dublin's restarts. If they can dominate mid field then they can either run at the Dubs with O'Brien or get quick direct ball into Clifford. On the face of it you would predict that with enough ball the Kerry forwards will hit say the 2-20 that Michael Murphy put forward as the target to beat the Dubs but the more I think about it I am not so sure.
I think the Dub full back line will hold up okay against Clifford and Geaney and I think the Dublin half back line could dominate the Kerry half forwards which will put more pressure on the Kerry midfield. While Tom O' Sullivan will give Kilkenny his fill I just don't see(outside of mid field domination) how Kerry will handle O' Callaghan, Mannion and Rock or the running of Scully and Howard. Then you have Costello and Connolly to bolster the troops if needed!!!
Hopefully it will be a tight game and Kerry certainly don't lack confidence to go toe to toe with the Dubs but I just think the Dubs find their rhythm early and win by 7 or 8!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Maiden1 on August 29, 2019, 01:15:02 PM
For some strange reason I backed Kerry at 9/2 before the start of the championship.  Now that they are Munster champions, topped a tough Super 8s group, come through a difficult semi final I can now back them at 5/1.  Glad I got on when I did  :)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 29, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
While I would love it to be a tight game and the GAA need a tight game more than ever, no matter how the Dubs supporters try to dress it up they will win by at least 7.

Not much difference between the firepower on each side but the Dublin defence and their bench are far superior.

The worry would be if it is a tight game it will paper over the cracks in the association.

If, as I expect, it is a damp squib with 25mins to go hopefully it will force the GAA to do something about the imbalance that currently exists between the Dubs and the rest of the country (not Dublin's fault by the way)

Are they though? I think the Dublin defenders are decent but they've had it easy against the many teams who drop off Dublin. When teams have gone man to man the Dublin defenders don't look markedly better than many others.

You don't make a Kerry senior football team unless you're a good footballer and while many of the Kerry defenders are more half backs than full backs I suspect they're nowhere near as bad as many here are suggesting.

The Dublin bench is better but again, I'm not sure they've a much better bench. A good few of their game changers are older and, I think, less effective now.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on August 29, 2019, 02:29:50 PM
Kerry haven't played Dublin in the championship since 2016, so do they really know how good this current Dublin team are?. They seem to be going in with the same kind of false hope like Tyrone did in the 2017 semi-final or even last year's Final. Honestly I think a lot of the Kerry players are in for a rude awakening on Sunday.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Taylor on August 29, 2019, 02:34:05 PM
While I would love it to be a tight game and the GAA need a tight game more than ever, no matter how the Dubs supporters try to dress it up they will win by at least 7.

Not much difference between the firepower on each side but the Dublin defence and their bench are far superior.

The worry would be if it is a tight game it will paper over the cracks in the association.

If, as I expect, it is a damp squib with 25mins to go hopefully it will force the GAA to do something about the imbalance that currently exists between the Dubs and the rest of the country (not Dublin's fault by the way)

Are they though? I think the Dublin defenders are decent but they've had it easy against the many teams who drop off Dublin. When teams have gone man to man the Dublin defenders don't look markedly better than many others.

You don't make a Kerry senior football team unless you're a good footballer and while many of the Kerry defenders are more half backs than full backs I suspect they're nowhere near as bad as many here are suggesting.

The Dublin bench is better but again, I'm not sure they've a much better bench. A good few of their game changers are older and, I think, less effective now.

Yes, as a defensive group they are much better than Kerry. I doubt anyone other than a Dub trying to talk up the opposition would say otherwise.

Similarly the Dubs bench is much stronger.
OSullivan, Murchan, Costello, McMahon, Connolly & Andrews were the subs that came on in the semi final. Not to mention what was left.
And you dont think they have a much better bench  :o
Most of those players would start on any other county every day of the week
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 29, 2019, 03:03:57 PM
Well I'm not a Dub so you doubt wrong I'm afraid. You're entitled to your opinion and you may be right but I don't think the Dublin defenders are much better than Kerry. They are good footballers but I think in one v one situations they struggle as much as anyone and if Kerry go man to man they'll get joy.

Their bench has some big names but Connolly has played hardly any football and others like O'Sullivan and Andrews are not playing to the same level as in previous years. I wouldn't argue Kerry have the better bench but they've plenty of good footballers to come in too - Tommy Walsh, Jack Sherwood, Jack Barry, James O'Donoghue to name a few.

Dublin do have a better bench and probably a better defence but I wouldn't agree it's as clear cut as you're making out.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2019, 03:06:11 PM
Dublin very rarely do one on one defense though. They do pull a lot back and break at pace.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 29, 2019, 03:15:29 PM

The worry would be if it is a tight game it will paper over the cracks in the association.

If, as I expect, it is a damp squib with 25mins to go hopefully it will force the GAA to do something about the imbalance that currently exists between the Dubs and the rest of the country (not Dublin's fault by the way)
Seeing the 2 to 1 vote against and the disparaging comments to the Donegal motion I won't be expecting them to do anything till its 8 in a row....
Attendances- this is where the GAA is most sensitive

2018 - "Overall, the average attendances figures at the 39 games in the All-Ireland series – which includes the qualifiers, the Super 8s and the All-Ireland semi-final and final – was 13,225.
In 2017 when there were 33 games played in the football series the average attendance was 19,049."
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 29, 2019, 03:48:12 PM
Dublin very rarely do one on one defense though. They do pull a lot back and break at pace.

True but all teams end up with 14/15 behind the ball at times. I don't think one v one references our traditional concept of that but I think both Dublin and Kerry set up so that each defender has to mind his own house more often than others bar Mayo.

I don't think anyone could make a strong argument for a Kerry win but I think it isn't as clear cut as some are making out. If Kerry are to win it might resemble something like 1982 where they hit the front with a freak goal late in the game. However, they've a lot going for them - brilliantly talented forwards, one great midfielder, a bench and, IMO, better defenders than they get credit for. If you are to beat Dublin you have to be able to take your chances and Kerry are the best equipped in the country to do that.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2019, 03:52:48 PM
I don't know if I can agree about defenders. As someone said in another thread Tyrone ended up kicking the ball up into the air for the FF line to win and they won more or less every one that was put into them. They didn't even need to resort to quality ball. Their FB line is really weak for this level.

That said their forwards are impressive. I am not convinced their HF line will count so much against Dublin but would still expect Geaney and Clifford to make a decent impact.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on August 29, 2019, 03:56:37 PM
Kerry need to dominate midfield especially on their own kick outs. I have a feeling they will do okay on Dublin's restarts. If they can dominate mid field then they can either run at the Dubs with O'Brien or get quick direct ball into Clifford. On the face of it you would predict that with enough ball the Kerry forwards will hit say the 2-20 that Michael Murphy put forward as the target to beat the Dubs but the more I think about it I am not so sure.
I think the Dub full back line will hold up okay against Clifford and Geaney and I think the Dublin half back line could dominate the Kerry half forwards which will put more pressure on the Kerry midfield. While Tom O' Sullivan will give Kilkenny his fill I just don't see(outside of mid field domination) how Kerry will handle O' Callaghan, Mannion and Rock or the running of Scully and Howard. Then you have Costello and Connolly to bolster the troops if needed!!!
Hopefully it will be a tight game and Kerry certainly don't lack confidence to go toe to toe with the Dubs but I just think the Dubs find their rhythm early and win by 7 or 8!!

Dublin are going to put serious pressure on Ryan in goals and I think he's going to crack.
If you look at the periods where Dublin go to town and get a string of scores against teams, what's noticeable is the pressure they put on the opposition's kickouts.

What really surprised me in the Tyrone game was how little pressure Tyrone seemed to mange to put on Ryan's kickouts - I was expecting them to give him a far harder time. Based on the games I saw in the Super 8, it looked like a blatant weakness.

After goalkeeper I think this Kerry's teams biggest weakness is midfield as opposed to in the backs.
You take Moran out of midfield and the rest of the Kerry midfielders look more like Division 3/Division 4 quality.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on August 29, 2019, 04:09:23 PM
Kerry need to dominate midfield especially on their own kick outs. I have a feeling they will do okay on Dublin's restarts. If they can dominate mid field then they can either run at the Dubs with O'Brien or get quick direct ball into Clifford. On the face of it you would predict that with enough ball the Kerry forwards will hit say the 2-20 that Michael Murphy put forward as the target to beat the Dubs but the more I think about it I am not so sure.
I think the Dub full back line will hold up okay against Clifford and Geaney and I think the Dublin half back line could dominate the Kerry half forwards which will put more pressure on the Kerry midfield. While Tom O' Sullivan will give Kilkenny his fill I just don't see(outside of mid field domination) how Kerry will handle O' Callaghan, Mannion and Rock or the running of Scully and Howard. Then you have Costello and Connolly to bolster the troops if needed!!!
Hopefully it will be a tight game and Kerry certainly don't lack confidence to go toe to toe with the Dubs but I just think the Dubs find their rhythm early and win by 7 or 8!!

Dublin are going to put serious pressure on Ryan in goals and I think he's going to crack.
If you look at the periods where Dublin go to town and get a string of scores against teams, what's noticeable is the pressure they put on the opposition's kickouts.

What really surprised me in the Tyrone game was how little pressure Tyrone seemed to mange to put on Ryan's kickouts - I was expecting them to give him a far harder time. Based on the games I saw in the Super 8, it looked like a blatant weakness.

After goalkeeper I think this Kerry's teams biggest weakness is midfield as opposed to in the backs.
You take Moran out of midfield and the rest of the Kerry midfielders look more like Division 3/Division 4 quality.

Unfortunately for those of us who want to see a close game I think you are right and Kerry will struggle big time in midfield. Great forwards won't do much against the Dublin backs if they can't get the ball!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on August 29, 2019, 04:32:32 PM
I don't know if I can agree about defenders. As someone said in another thread Tyrone ended up kicking the ball up into the air for the FF line to win and they won more or less every one that was put into them. They didn't even need to resort to quality ball. Their FB line is really weak for this level.

That said their forwards are impressive. I am not convinced their HF line will count so much against Dublin but would still expect Geaney and Clifford to make a decent impact.

I'm not sure that's true, I thought some of the ball in was very good. On top of that I think McShane and Donnelly are a pretty potent twosome themselves so struggling against them isn't evidence the defenders are that bad. I think it was Off the Ball where it was suggested that Kerry were standing off a bit in the full back line to avoid goals. I actually said they might do that against Dublin but I didn't notice they were doing it against Tyrone.

I don't think their full back line id brilliant but I think teams are so well coached now and you rarely have 3 forwards in there that the very best full backs will struggle against good forwards if isolated. People are also saying Kerry can't play a sweeper and I can't see how Kerry haven't coaches who couldn't coach that.

Dublin, I think, are the team we know more about and Kerry will have more scope to plan for them and bring something different. Maybe I'm making an argument to suit what I think but I've a feeling Kerry can give this one a good rattle.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2019, 05:26:24 PM
To be fair you are right about McShane and Donnelly but O"Callaghan and Mannion probably more potent presently too. Genuinely watch it back though - some of the ball was just lumped into the air. Yes there were some good balls too but someone else said it here and I thought it too - Tyrone began to realise they could win the ball in there no matter what way they kicked it in.

Yeah I think you are right that we know about Dublin but not about Kerry. To me this is the game where we see how good Kerry are or aren't. We know how good Dublin are. If Dublin blitz Kerry then we knew they were great anyway and it just means Kerry are nowhere near as good as we thought they were. If they don't Kerry are better than we thought they were. I would say they have nothing to lose however apparently their supporters are "animals" so they wouldn't be happy with a tanking lol.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omagh_gael on August 29, 2019, 10:16:11 PM
One thing I noticed at the Tyr v Kerry semi final was that Kerry were hopeless at playing the sweeper. Murphy (I think) was too far away from his full backs to sweep in front of McShane and Donnelly. He left an ocean of room for the long ball to land in. I think Dublin will attack their full back line for goals really early on and will look to have it wrapped up by half time.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 29, 2019, 10:36:03 PM
One thing I noticed at the Tyr v Kerry semi final was that Kerry were hopeless at playing the sweeper. Murphy (I think) was too far away from his full backs to sweep in front of McShane and Donnelly. He left an ocean of room for the long ball to land in. I think Dublin will attack their full back line for goals really early on and will look to have it wrapped up by half time.

Murphy was in the traditional centre half back position rather than playing as a proper sweeper.  Was this an error or deliberate?  Maybe he was positioned to prevent any big run up the middle from the likes of Peter Harte?  Tyrone obviously saw this and preferred to let it in high to the full forward line, more or less 50/50 balls.  Kerry were probably happy enough with that, especially when no goals resulted.  Kerry concede goals when somebody drives down the middle against them.

If Dublin can drive down the middle with their midfielders leaving the Kerry markers in their wake, it will take more than Paul Murphy to stop them and it could be a cricket score. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Taylor on August 30, 2019, 07:30:32 AM
Well I'm not a Dub so you doubt wrong I'm afraid. You're entitled to your opinion and you may be right but I don't think the Dublin defenders are much better than Kerry. They are good footballers but I think in one v one situations they struggle as much as anyone and if Kerry go man to man they'll get joy.

Their bench has some big names but Connolly has played hardly any football and others like O'Sullivan and Andrews are not playing to the same level as in previous years. I wouldn't argue Kerry have the better bench but they've plenty of good footballers to come in too - Tommy Walsh, Jack Sherwood, Jack Barry, James O'Donoghue to name a few.

Dublin do have a better bench and probably a better defence but I wouldn't agree it's as clear cut as you're making out.

Apologies for assuming you were a Dub  ;D

Dublin rarely get caught at the back and usually when you beat one man there is another waiting.

I cant see how it will be anything other than a long slog for the kingdom on Sunday
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 30, 2019, 01:28:29 PM
Going to sign off for the weekend. Win Lose or draw for the Dubs, they will always be the greatest of them all. Only begrudgers would say different.

Safe travel to the Kerry fans.


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 30, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Going to sign off for the weekend. Win Lose or draw for the Dubs, they will always be the greatest of them all. Only begrudgers would say different.

Safe travel to the Kerry fans.

The Kerry team 75-86 are the best with 8 titles including a 3 in a row and a 4 in a row! Just! But this will be surpassed by this team.

Really hoping Dublin do it. The future of the Game depends on it!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 30, 2019, 03:35:31 PM
Going to sign off for the weekend. Win Lose or draw for the Dubs, they will always be the greatest of them all. Only begrudgers would say different.

Safe travel to the Kerry fans.

The Kerry team 75-86 are the best with 8 titles including a 3 in a row and a 4 in a row! Just! But this will be surpassed by this team.

Really hoping Dublin do it. The future of the Game depends on it!

True... they really need this AI
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 30, 2019, 04:12:24 PM
Going to sign off for the weekend. Win Lose or draw for the Dubs, they will always be the greatest of them all. Only begrudgers would say different.

Safe travel to the Kerry fans.

The Kerry team 75-86 are the best with 8 titles including a 3 in a row and a 4 in a row! Just! But this will be surpassed by this team.

Really hoping Dublin do it. The future of the Game depends on it!

True... they really need this AI
Don't get him started on one of his dublin rants again.... Thankfully the game is only a few days away.

Sportsjoe did their live preview last night and listening to the lads from 70s was gas.

Jack O'Shea on the sunday morning before every All Ireland used to bring a few a subs up the road to play a full round of pitch & putt before coming back to the hotel, getting into his own car and driving down to croke park. He would watch the 1st half of the minor game in the stand and then go into the dressing room for the game
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2019, 04:33:56 PM
Going to sign off for the weekend. Win Lose or draw for the Dubs, they will always be the greatest of them all. Only begrudgers would say different.

Safe travel to the Kerry fans.

The Kerry team 75-86 are the best with 8 titles including a 3 in a row and a 4 in a row! Just! But this will be surpassed by this team.

Really hoping Dublin do it. The future of the Game depends on it!

Lets not forget Kerry especially the team that was inches away from winning 5 in a row was one team and a few subs. Dublin meanwhile can claim the best squad title as in the last 5 years alone i'd say over 30 players has played in All Ireland finals.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Sportacus on August 30, 2019, 08:10:39 PM
Tommy Walsh named in the subs.  Kerry could fairly have done with James O’Donoghue hitting form and fitness but it seems another season has passed him by.  Have they a dark horse who could have a big game - Spillane?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 30, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
Going to sign off for the weekend. Win Lose or draw for the Dubs, they will always be the greatest of them all. Only begrudgers would say different.

Safe travel to the Kerry fans.

The Kerry team 75-86 are the best with 8 titles including a 3 in a row and a 4 in a row! Just! But this will be surpassed by this team.

Really hoping Dublin do it. The future of the Game depends on it!

True... they really need this AI

The long term future of the game depends on it - Seriously!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on August 30, 2019, 08:30:29 PM
Going to sign off for the weekend. Win Lose or draw for the Dubs, they will always be the greatest of them all. Only begrudgers would say different.

Safe travel to the Kerry fans.

The Kerry team 75-86 are the best with 8 titles including a 3 in a row and a 4 in a row! Just! But this will be surpassed by this team.

Really hoping Dublin do it. The future of the Game depends on it!

True... they really need this AI

The long term future of the game depends on it - Seriously!
You what?😂😂😂
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on August 30, 2019, 08:31:54 PM

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: An Watcher on August 30, 2019, 08:39:58 PM
Hardly 20 pages, two days before an All-Ireland final. Says it all really. Not sure if I'll even tune in myself
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on August 30, 2019, 09:18:36 PM
Going to sign off for the weekend. Win Lose or draw for the Dubs, they will always be the greatest of them all. Only begrudgers would say different.

Safe travel to the Kerry fans.

The Kerry team 75-86 are the best with 8 titles including a 3 in a row and a 4 in a row! Just! But this will be surpassed by this team.

Really hoping Dublin do it. The future of the Game depends on it!

True... they really need this AI

The long term future of the game depends on it - Seriously!

Yes, it’s a awful pity that they slipped up in 2010 in Leinster , 15 Leinster titles in a row would look good on their cv also.
Only a begrudger wouldn’t be delighted for them !
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on August 30, 2019, 09:25:11 PM
The 9/2 on offer for half time full time Kerry / Dublin looks a good bet.

Killarney was a disaster for us. We tried to play a kick pass game that day and failed. Horan went conservative against Dublin (don’t blame him) after that. Possession was obviously the mantra.

If Kerry can share possession and play a kicking game into their inside forwards in the first half they could build a lead.

Whatever happens after that is up in the air.

Wouldn’t rule out a draw.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2019, 09:43:49 PM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Low and Hard on August 30, 2019, 10:37:34 PM
Did everyone who wanted tickets get sorted? Would like 2 if anyone knows of any going?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 30, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
I see Peter Cavanagh who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

Who?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: balladmaker on August 31, 2019, 01:21:36 AM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 31, 2019, 03:04:05 AM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

Didn't know if you meant Sean Cavanagh or Peter Canavan first go round.  Peter is a pretty good analyst alright.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 31, 2019, 07:37:39 AM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.

A hammering would be the surest path to 6 and beyond
A lot of football is psychological

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 31, 2019, 07:44:16 AM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.

A hammering would be the surest path to 6 and beyond
A lot of football is psychological

Agree for a decade and more every team in Armagh shit themselves when they saw the Crossmaglen Jersey.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 31, 2019, 11:09:29 AM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.

When have Dublin hammered anyone in an AI final by anywhere near that amount
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on August 31, 2019, 11:18:56 AM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.

When have Dublin hammered anyone in an AI final by anywhere near that amount

When have dublin faced a team with such a poor defensive is the more important question. Sure a "defensive" tyrone score 18 points against kerry and it should have been a lot more.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 31, 2019, 12:05:57 PM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.

When have Dublin hammered anyone in an AI final by anywhere near that amount

Had they not pulled up they would have done last year.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 31, 2019, 12:33:35 PM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.

When have Dublin hammered anyone in an AI final by anywhere near that amount

1977 v Armagh
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 31, 2019, 12:51:24 PM
DUBLIN (SF v Kerry)
1 Stephen Cluxton Parnell's
2 David Byrne Naomh Olaf
3 Jonny Cooper Na Fianna
4 Michael Fitzsimons Cuala
5 Jack McCaffrey Clontarf
6 James McCarthy Ballymun Kickhams
7 John Small Ballymun Kickhams
8 Brian Fenton Raheny
9 Michael Darragh Macauley Ballyboden St Enda's
10 Niall Scully Templeogue Synge Street
11 Con O'Callaghan Cuala
12 Brian Howard Raheny
13 Paul Mannion Kilmacud Crokes
14 Dean Rock Ballymun Kickhams
15 Ciarán Kilkenny Castleknock


So the big day is almost here! It's been a long year.

Kerry will be formidable opponents and to predict a result you might as well toss a coin. We'll go in hope.

I remember Dublin City in the Rare Old Times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T7OaDDR7i8

COYBIB




Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 31, 2019, 12:54:02 PM
At least the Minor game will be interesting.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 31, 2019, 01:13:21 PM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.

When have Dublin hammered anyone in an AI final by anywhere near that amount

1977 v Armagh

Maybe it could be a 1978.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: henrym14 on August 31, 2019, 01:17:07 PM
Hardly 20 pages, two days before an All-Ireland final. Says it all really. Not sure if I'll even tune in myself

If your looking for a serious discussion on this forum your in the wrong place. Place is full of trolls from Mayo and Roscommon.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 31, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
Hardly 20 pages, two days before an All-Ireland final. Says it all really. Not sure if I'll even tune in myself

If your looking for a serious discussion on this forum your in the wrong place. Place is full of trolls from Mayo and Roscommon.

What's to discuss, a professional GAA team is going for 5 in a row - you can use that quote for the foreseeable future and just replace 5 with the next ascending number.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 31, 2019, 02:37:42 PM
The lead up to this game reminds me of the 2006 final.

The talk in Mayo was not about winning that year, it was all about staying in the game for as long as possible and not getting a shameful hiding.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: rrhf on August 31, 2019, 03:11:16 PM
Kerry were so poor in the semi final, and but for Tyrone dropping the heads they should have been beat. They looked naive and clueless in the first half. Unless Dublin freeze it’s highly unlikely there. Will be much of a challenge... surely..
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2019, 04:07:24 PM
Hardly 20 pages, two days before an All-Ireland final. Says it all really. Not sure if I'll even tune in myself

If your looking for a serious discussion on this forum your in the wrong place. Place is full of trolls from Mayo and Roscommon.
In fairness even the trolls aren't paying much attention to this final as they see it as a foregone conclusion.

Then you have c**k sure dubs like this fella desperate for a reaction.


Kerry will be formidable opponents and to predict a result you might as well toss a coin. We'll go in hope.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 31, 2019, 06:33:43 PM
I see Peter Canavan who has been pretty spot on all summer has predicted Dublin to win on Sunday by a double figures margin.

I've a feeling that Dublin could give Kerry an awful hammering, not just to seal the 5 in a row, but to inflict a mental scar on the Kingdom that wouldn't be forgotten for a generation or two.  A 10 - 15 point margin could be on the cards.  But hey, I'd love to be wrong.

When have Dublin hammered anyone in an AI final by anywhere near that amount

1977 v Armagh

I should have said recently
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 31, 2019, 06:45:01 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0830/1071875-victory-on-sunday-could-be-dublin-fans-last-great-day/
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 31, 2019, 10:49:43 PM
Hardly 20 pages, two days before an All-Ireland final. Says it all really. Not sure if I'll even tune in myself

If your looking for a serious discussion on this forum your in the wrong place. Place is full of trolls from Mayo and Roscommon.

What's to discuss, a professional GAA team is going for 5 in a row - you can use that quote for the foreseeable future and just replace 5 with the next ascending number.

There are more posts from Mayo wums on this thread than dublin fans for obvious reasons.

Hopefully Dubs can make history tomorrow and I can't wait for the game
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on August 31, 2019, 11:48:02 PM
Good luck to Kerry tomorrow v Team Sky/ Man City. Now they've bought their way to football dominance GAA HQ has funded €5M for them to buy Tiger Woods sperm to breed a new generation of hurlers to take over.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WT4E on September 01, 2019, 12:02:26 AM
Honestly not going to watch final for the first time. Congratulations to the dubs the most boring period in GAA history.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2019, 12:33:00 AM
Kerry to turn up the mor and turn it on,  but alias it wouldn't make a difference. They need rattle the net 3 times to win this game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 11:34:24 AM
You have to feel for brogan not making the 26.

Dublin by 7.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on September 01, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
Looking forward to what should be a great game. A lot needs to go right for Kerry but they’re the second bet team in Ireland with, possibly, the best forward line so they’ve a punchers chance.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on September 01, 2019, 12:42:23 PM
You have to feel for brogan not making the 26.

Dublin by 7.

He has enjoyed many a great day with Dubs fair play to him,  I'd feel more for lads who have toiled with way less success and exposure without all the add ons from sponsorship deals etc.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 01, 2019, 02:11:18 PM
Would love to see a repeat of the league game between these two, best game of football I’ve seen in many a day. Hopefully same result too.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 01, 2019, 03:14:35 PM
Brolly is a bit of a knob
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hereiam on September 01, 2019, 03:15:52 PM
He needs to be got rid off. Brings nothing to the proceedings
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 03:43:33 PM
Seriously bad penalty miss.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 01, 2019, 03:44:03 PM
Seriously bad penalty miss.

Cluxton a mile off his line
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 03:44:47 PM
Seriously bad penalty miss.

Cluxton a mile off his line

Better penalty wouldn't have mattered.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 03:44:58 PM
Kerry penalty saved and had another goal chance cleared off the line. They should be leading. 13 mins played Dublin 0-3 Kerry 0-3
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 01, 2019, 03:45:52 PM
GAA needs the VAR?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 03:47:05 PM
GAA needs the VAR?

The refs family see nothing?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 03:48:15 PM
Finally cooper getting done for what he should be getting done for.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 03:48:53 PM
Game over.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 01, 2019, 03:49:22 PM
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 01, 2019, 03:50:37 PM
Dublins fitness levels are insane
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
That is the first time I have seen mcauley kick a ball this year.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 01, 2019, 03:53:12 PM
Dublins fitness levels are insane

Allegedly having asthma has it's benefits... ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 03:55:15 PM
Ai there’ll be a show just like Icarus about them on Netflix soon ::)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2019, 03:57:23 PM
Kerry missed too much this first half  2 goal chances and 3 bad wides from Clifford very costly.

Dubs haven’t even been great so far.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
Has been poor enough. Might open up yet hopefully.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: trileacman on September 01, 2019, 04:03:34 PM
Kerry shirt is worth about 5 frees.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:06:05 PM
Cooper deserved to walk.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 04:06:34 PM
Gavin should have taken him off. Deserved that.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: sans pessimism on September 01, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
So Cooper FINALLY gets his just reward
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 01, 2019, 04:07:04 PM
Kerry shirt is worth about 5 frees.

Dublin got a plethora of calls Mayo lads would never get against Dublin!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: J70 on September 01, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
Cooper deserved to walk.

Yes.

Stupid on his part, especially given how the Dubs were pulling away.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on September 01, 2019, 04:07:19 PM
Cooper has got away with much worse in the past.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 04:07:26 PM
Cooper deserved to walk.

Hes a complete dirty bag of a player on the pitch who gets away with it at every game. Delighted he finally got what he deserved
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: oakleafgael on September 01, 2019, 04:07:55 PM
Completly inconsistent with his cards though
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 01, 2019, 04:08:16 PM
Cooper deserved to walk.

Hes a complete dirty bag of a player on the pitch who gets away with it at every game. Delighted he finally got what he deserved

From a Tyrone fan of all people
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 04:08:42 PM
Half time Dublin 1-9 Kerry 0-8.  Cooper off with 2 yellows. For underdog to stand any chance v that Dublin team you can't afford to waste goal and point chances as Kerry have today.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2019, 04:08:51 PM
Amazed he was staying on Clifford at that stage very uncharacteristic of Gavin to make a mistake like that... not uncharacteristic of Cooper!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 04:09:01 PM
Completly inconsistent with his cards though

He seems to let everyone have 1 foul and notes them. On the 2nd foul he gives the card. Seems consistent so far
Cooper deserved to walk.
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Hes a complete dirty bag of a player on the pitch who gets away with it at every game. Delighted he finally got what he deserved

From a Tyrone fan of all people
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 01, 2019, 04:09:26 PM
Dublin goal has ruined the game as a contest. I don't think Dublin will panic with 14 men.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 01, 2019, 04:10:10 PM
Small has a yellow too. Reckon he won’t see the game out one way or another
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 04:10:34 PM
Completly inconsistent with his cards though

He seems to let everyone have 1 foul and notes them. On the 2nd foul he gives the card. Seems consistent so far
Cooper deserved to walk.
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Hes a complete dirty bag of a player on the pitch who gets away with it at every game. Delighted he finally got what he deserved

From a Tyrone fan of all people

Tyrone has got nothing to do with it. Ricey was the only player back in the day I could compare to cooper. Never defended a dirty player in my life. They get what they deserve in the end
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on September 01, 2019, 04:10:46 PM
That is the first time I have seen mcauley kick a ball this year.

Scored a rocket of a goal earlier in the championship.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 04:11:04 PM
Yeah I thought consistent too. Cooper always on the edge. Small usually more of a walking red card.

Not sure why gavin didn’t take him off.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on September 01, 2019, 04:11:44 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: oakleafgael on September 01, 2019, 04:12:32 PM
Yeah I thought consistent too. Cooper always on the edge. Small usually more of a walking red card.

Not sure why gavin didn’t take him off.

Three different Kerry players have fouled twice.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 01, 2019, 04:14:31 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

The Kerry media mafia have got into Gough's head.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on September 01, 2019, 04:14:43 PM
A man down might actually kick Dublin into gear.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 04:15:53 PM
Jesus I agree with Spillane.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 01, 2019, 04:16:15 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

The Kerry media mafia have got into Gough's head.

I was thinking that
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on September 01, 2019, 04:16:41 PM
Yeah I thought consistent too. Cooper always on the edge. Small usually more of a walking red card.

Not sure why gavin didn’t take him off.

Three different Kerry players have fouled twice.

Not every foul is a yellow but Cooper didn't attempt to play the ball for his two yellows.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: An Watcher on September 01, 2019, 04:17:13 PM
What's brolly on about, Clifford did nothing wrong there. Good forward play
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 01, 2019, 04:17:33 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

I'm sure Dublin have given Gough enough brown envelopes over the years for behind closed doors games to get enough handy calls in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on September 01, 2019, 04:17:51 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

The Kerry media mafia have got into Gough's head.

Same every time with Kerry, you have to be at least 5 points a better team to beat them given the referee will always come to their aid.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 01, 2019, 04:20:49 PM
Brolly says Cooper 2nd yellow was a free out? WTF???
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 04:21:05 PM
What's brolly on about, Clifford did nothing wrong there. Good forward play

Exactly. Really doesn’t speak volumes for his understanding of the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 01, 2019, 04:22:19 PM
For once I'll listen to the kerryman with the 8 all Ireland medals in the studio
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 01, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
Whilst I thought the penalty was a ridiculously soft decision (which led to Coopers first yellow card) how can a closed fist punch not be a card?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on September 01, 2019, 04:23:56 PM
Brolly says Cooper 2nd yellow was a free out? WTF???

He's a knob, needs to go and bring Spillane with him
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 01, 2019, 04:24:17 PM
So the the sending off was persistent fouling. How many fouls did cooper make
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 01, 2019, 04:24:23 PM
Wow that's a yellow all day long. Can't believe Brolly and Whelab are saying otherwise. Brolly thinks it's a free out?! Madness
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: David McKeown on September 01, 2019, 04:24:29 PM
The only issue I have with the Cooper sending off is I think the second booking should have been back.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 04:24:48 PM
Whilst I thought the penalty was a ridiculously soft decision (which led to Coopers first yellow card) how can a closed fist punch not be a card?

Cooper didn't get a card for the penalty. Agreed a closed first should be a yellow. But he seems to allow a player 1 foul regardless of the foul which can be a dangerous precedent
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omagh_gael on September 01, 2019, 04:25:10 PM
Whilst I thought the penalty was a ridiculously soft decision (which led to Coopers first yellow card) how can a closed fist punch not be a card?

Cooper wasn't booked for penalty
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 04:25:55 PM
Wow that's a yellow all day long. Can't believe Brolly and Whelab are saying otherwise. Brolly thinks it's a free out?! Madness

Whelan says cooper didn't hold his arm when the video clearly shows he is. What a biased muppet
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:28:53 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

The Kerry media mafia have got into Gough's head.

Same every time with Kerry, you have to be at least 5 points a better team to beat them given the referee will always come to their aid.

You need professional therapy since Tyrones loss. ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:31:40 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

I'm sure Dublin have given Gough enough brown envelopes over the years for behind closed doors games to get enough handy calls in the 2nd half.

Tyronies are very bitter, maybe you should all have a few therapy sessions. ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 01, 2019, 04:31:42 PM
Dont like Dublin but surely Cluxton will get his All-Star this year?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 04:31:49 PM
Some save by Cluxton in what would have been a certain goal for Murphy.  Dublin 1-9 Kerry 0-10. 41 mins played.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Capt Pat on September 01, 2019, 04:33:25 PM
Thats 3 big goal chances missed by Kerry. It looks like it will be the Dubs day.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 01, 2019, 04:40:02 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

I'm sure Dublin have given Gough enough brown envelopes over the years for behind closed doors games to get enough handy calls in the 2nd half.

Tyronies are very bitter, maybe you should all have a few therapy sessions. ;D

Did therapy help you over Armagh's 20+ point demolitions by Tyrone then? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2019, 04:41:43 PM
That was a second yellow definitely!!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 04:42:52 PM
52 minutes gone, Dublin still have that 4 point lead they had at the break. Dublin 1-13 Kerry 0-12.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:43:36 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

I'm sure Dublin have given Gough enough brown envelopes over the years for behind closed doors games to get enough handy calls in the 2nd half.

Tyronies are very bitter, maybe you should all have a few therapy sessions. ;D

Did therapy help you over Armagh's 20+ point demolitions by Tyrone then? ;D ;D

Oh dear hit a nerve, always the McKenna cup in January, what's it 14 in a row now. ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:44:43 PM
52 minutes gone, Dublin still have that 4 point lead they had at the break. Dublin 1-13 Kerry 0-12.

Looks like Dubs have extra man.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 01, 2019, 04:45:37 PM
Man of the match is sown up anyway if the Dubs win.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:46:15 PM
Kerry need a keeper, his kickouts are brutal.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:46:45 PM
Kerry need to pressure and push on now.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 04:47:45 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

I'm sure Dublin have given Gough enough brown envelopes over the years for behind closed doors games to get enough handy calls in the 2nd half.

Tyronies are very bitter, maybe you should all have a few therapy sessions. ;D

Did therapy help you over Armagh's 20+ point demolitions by Tyrone then? ;D ;D

Oh dear hit a nerve, always the McKenna cup in January, what's it 14 in a row now. ;D

T mac what county do you follow so I can give you some abuse 😂
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 01, 2019, 04:48:09 PM
Thats 3 big goal chances missed by Kerry. It looks like it will be the Dubs day.

Goal for Kerry now finally! If they lose they won't have to wonder why for too long.   Mccaffrey with 1-3 from play now who is meant to be marking him? Paddy Durcan held him scoreless in the semi final.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 01, 2019, 04:48:18 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

I'm sure Dublin have given Gough enough brown envelopes over the years for behind closed doors games to get enough handy calls in the 2nd half.

Tyronies are very bitter, maybe you should all have a few therapy sessions. ;D

Did therapy help you over Armagh's 20+ point demolitions by Tyrone then? ;D ;D

Oh dear hit a nerve, always the McKenna cup in January, what's it 14 in a row now. ;D

Must be near 14 years since Armagh won anything?  Are you still in div 3?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: J70 on September 01, 2019, 04:50:14 PM
Game was over five minutes ago! :o
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 01, 2019, 04:50:58 PM
If Dublin lose this, I feel sorry for Cooper as he will be used as a scapegoat
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on September 01, 2019, 04:51:11 PM
Dublin under real pressure here and Kerry don't have the finish line demons in the head we would have had in 2016 & 2017!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:51:40 PM
Gough is doing Kerry a lot of favours.

14 men means Kerry now have a chance.

I'm sure Dublin have given Gough enough brown envelopes over the years for behind closed doors games to get enough handy calls in the 2nd half.

Tyronies are very bitter, maybe you should all have a few therapy sessions. ;D

Did therapy help you over Armagh's 20+ point demolitions by Tyrone then? ;D ;D

Oh dear hit a nerve, always the McKenna cup in January, what's it 14 in a row now. ;D

Must be near 14 years since Armagh won anything?  Are you still in div 3?  ;D ;D ;D

You still crying about refs. ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:52:27 PM
If Dublin lose this, I feel sorry for Cooper as he will be used as a scapegoat

It will be refs fault, ask over the bar he knows.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 04:52:43 PM
63 mins played. Great comeback by Kerry level game. Dublin 1-14 Kerry 1-14
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on September 01, 2019, 04:55:03 PM
Stupid challenge by Crowley there.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 04:55:35 PM
Be a sweet win playing second half with 14.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 01, 2019, 04:56:03 PM
Game over.

And the twat post of the day goes to an Armagh man.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 04:56:46 PM
Kerry in front 66 mins played. Dublin 1-15 Kerry 1-16
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on September 01, 2019, 04:57:10 PM
Super point by Spillane
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2019, 04:58:11 PM
Cracking game!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 01, 2019, 04:59:21 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
Hawk eye means Kerry still lead. 1-15 to 1-14  71 mins played.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 05:02:33 PM
Game over.

And the twat post of the day goes to an Armagh man.... ;D ;D

Dublins fitness levels are insane

Allegedly having asthma has it's benefits... ;)

Bitter bitter wee man post of the day.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 05:04:23 PM
Level again. 74 mins played 1-16 each
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 01, 2019, 05:06:05 PM
Game over.

And the twat post of the day goes to an Armagh man.... ;D ;D

Dublins fitness levels are insane

Allegedly having asthma has it's benefits... ;)

Bitter bitter wee man post of the day.

Stop talking to him t_mac.

It's not about Armagh or Tyrone - it's Kerry and Dublin today and we're on the verge of a historic moment
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
Time is up Rock with the chance to win it with a late free like he had v Mayo two years ago.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 05:09:06 PM
A wide!  Level game 1-16 each. Replay required.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 01, 2019, 05:09:36 PM
And the winner is the GAA!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2019, 05:09:51 PM
Really enjoyed that!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 05:10:10 PM
Dublin favourites still, Kerry had more than enough chances.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 01, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
Kerry had their chance. Blew it...
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 01, 2019, 05:10:59 PM
Kerry needed to win that today. 14 men and quite a few of Dublin’s key men didn’t shine. They won’t be as quiet again. Big chance missed for Kerry.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: J70 on September 01, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
Dublin favourites still, Kerry had more than enough chances.

Yep.

That and not getting across the halfway line for the last ten minutes
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on September 01, 2019, 05:11:57 PM
Gough was disgracefully biased today.

The decision not to send off O'Sullivan was scandalous.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on September 01, 2019, 05:12:03 PM
Gough gave Kerry a lot today. If McQuillan gets the replay it’s curtains for Kerry.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on September 01, 2019, 05:12:57 PM
Kerry had their chance. Blew it...

It does feel like that but fair play to Kerry great comeback in the second half.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on September 01, 2019, 05:13:28 PM
And the winner is the GAA!

"Sure he played for the draw!"

"Grab all association"

etc etc etc :P
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 01, 2019, 05:13:35 PM
Game over.

And the twat post of the day goes to an Armagh man.... ;D ;D

Dublins fitness levels are insane

Allegedly having asthma has it's benefits... ;)

Bitter bitter wee man post of the day.

Lol.  Says the poster who creates a new ID so he can spend his days posting on Tyrone match threads.  ;D ;D Are you back at school tomorrow?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 05:13:43 PM
Gough was disgracefully biased today.

The decision not to send off O'Sullivan was scandalous.

Seriously get help.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 01, 2019, 05:13:47 PM
Kerry needed to win that today. 14 men and quite a few of Dublin’s key men didn’t shine. They won’t be as quiet again. Big chance missed for Kerry.

Missed opportunity for Kerry alright. For the "greatest team ever" This Dublin team are less than great in All-Ireland finals.

Is the replay next week or two weeks?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2019, 05:14:37 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 05:16:19 PM
Game over.

And the twat post of the day goes to an Armagh man.... ;D ;D

Dublins fitness levels are insane

Allegedly having asthma has it's benefits... ;)

Bitter bitter wee man post of the day.

Lol.  Says the poster who creates a new ID so he can spend his days posting on Tyrone match threads.  ;D ;D Are you back at school tomorrow?

That's your fellow county man O'Neill with all the IDs, and I am sure he is, he's a teacher, now away and dry you eyes and prepare for McKenna cup world domination.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on September 01, 2019, 05:16:55 PM
Gough was disgracefully biased today.

The decision not to send off O'Sullivan was scandalous.

Seriously get help.

Sweep, sweep.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: oakleafgael on September 01, 2019, 05:17:32 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2019, 05:17:41 PM
I though a dispossion on Lyne near the end was a free and Gough let it go
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 01, 2019, 05:19:51 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

How do you explain a guy on a yellow card swinging a guy to the ground not getting a card?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2019, 05:20:02 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 05:20:49 PM
Kerry blew their chance today big time. Majority of the 2nd half it looked like dubs had the extra man. Gough called the constant off the ball fouling by the Dubs that no other ref has ever called. In the replay the dubs will win it comfortably
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: oakleafgael on September 01, 2019, 05:22:49 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

But all you ask for is consistency. The second foul from Sullivan is a yellow by the standards of what he was issuing them for.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on September 01, 2019, 05:24:43 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2019, 05:25:36 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

So you don’t / can’t / won’t accept that Cooper was sent off for a third offence ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 01, 2019, 05:27:10 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

So you don’t / can’t / won’t accept that Cooper was sent off for a third offence ?

O'Sullivan had also given away earlier frees in the game though
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on September 01, 2019, 05:27:45 PM
People said Dublin would win easily here and that Mayo’s opportunity was gone after drawn finals yet they were wrong about today and Mayo were just as competitive in the replays.

Kerry have room for improvement too. Neither Geaney or Clifford had great games and they really need to look at their own kickouts again.

Great game and delighted Kerry, like Mayo before them, showed that the Dubs can be challenged. Should be great game the next day too.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2019, 05:27:53 PM
He was on a yellow card and pulled Clifford by the arm to the ground, it was a 2nd yellow
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 05:28:02 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

The games I watched they appear to just punish ill disipline.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2019, 05:28:09 PM
Brilliant game and full credit to a young Kerry team. No complicated defensive systems just faith in players ability. Thank god Tyrone didn't get to the final. Role on the replay.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2019, 05:28:54 PM
If that was Mayo, Rock would have scored.

Anyway, mighty game of football. Will give more thoughts later.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 01, 2019, 05:29:19 PM
Why did Gavin have Kevin Mc on the bench and not Brogan or O'Gara? Kev Mc's best years are behind him.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
Saturday the 14th at 6pm the replay.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2019, 05:31:01 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

So you don’t / can’t / won’t accept that Cooper was sent off for a third offence ?

O'Sullivan had also given away earlier frees in the game though

Yes but he clearly spoke to Cooper about deliberate fouling.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on September 01, 2019, 05:35:05 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 05:35:09 PM
As a neutral the ref had a great game. Was constant mostly in his cards, no human us ever 100% consistent. Called off the ball fouling that dubs and kerry usually get away with. Thought he should have added a few mins at the end due to subs etc during injury time
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: maigheo on September 01, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
As a neutral the ref had a great game. Was constant mostly in his cards, no human us ever 100% consistent. Called off the ball fouling that dubs and kerry usually get away with. Thought he should have added a few mins at the end due to subs etc during injury time
. plus 1
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 01, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

So you don’t / can’t / won’t accept that Cooper was sent off for a third offence ?

O'Sullivan had also given away earlier frees in the game though

Yes but he clearly spoke to Cooper about deliberate fouling.

So you are saying that swinging a guy to the ground is not a yellow card because he was booking other players for the exact same thing?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 05:37:04 PM
Yeah. I don’t understand how there is any ambiguity with cooper getting sent off. It was blatant.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: oakleafgael on September 01, 2019, 05:37:12 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

So you don’t / can’t / won’t accept that Cooper was sent off for a third offence ?

O'Sullivan had also given away earlier frees in the game though

Yes but he clearly spoke to Cooper about deliberate fouling.

There are certain fouls/actions that are a yellow no matter what has went before. The tackle with the close fist into the ribs in the first half for example that he issued a noting for. The Crowley tackle with the foot that he did give a yellow for and the last foul by Sullivan that he didn't. It's the inconsistency that is frustrating.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on September 01, 2019, 05:37:45 PM
I though a dispossion on Lyne near the end was a free and Gough let it go

Thought that too
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on September 01, 2019, 05:39:40 PM
Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.


O'Sullivan should have been sent off, there is no denying that with a straight face.
He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

So you don’t / can’t / won’t accept that Cooper was sent off for a third offence ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2019, 05:39:50 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

Wasn't one of his best games. Jack McCaffrey and Dean Rock some of the few stand out performers for Dublin today and Kerry deserve plenty of credit there for curbing the influence of a lot of their key players.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: rodney trotter on September 01, 2019, 05:41:53 PM
Cooper clearly pulled Clifford by the arm for the second yellow. Whelan and Brolly were talking nonsense that he fell down after getting body in front..
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 01, 2019, 05:43:04 PM
Kerry need to find a way to curb McCaffrey's influence the next day. He scored 1-3 from wing-back, which is unheard of at this level.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: marty34 on September 01, 2019, 05:48:10 PM
Yeah, I don't know how Brolly and Whelan thought the Cooper/Clifford incident was a free out to Dublin.

It was as clear as day - Clifford tried to let the ball go past him and Cooper was caught on wrong side, knew that Clifford was on a free run through the centre so he pulled his arm.  It shows him pulling his arm, clearly.

I don't know what them two lads are about - clearly out of touch.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 05:51:49 PM
At least whelan has the excuse of being biased. What is brolly’s? Then he questions gough’s integrity for clearly making the correct call.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2019, 05:53:46 PM
Great game and looking forward to replay

Cooper sending off was correct. Brolly talking through his hoop, as usual.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: weareros on September 01, 2019, 05:53:52 PM
Cooper clearly pulled Clifford by the arm for the second yellow. Whelan and Brolly were talking nonsense that he fell down after getting body in front..

Cooper - a player I enjoy - has been getting away with a lot for a long time. Don’t know how the two geniuses in the studio thought that was a free out. But you never like to see a player get sent off on All-Ireland day. Canning too is desperate. His wrong reading of the Hawk-Eye was classic; a visit to Specsavers might be in order. Great game, so many players on both teams immense and several more with big potential to improve which makes replay for me a 50/50 game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on September 01, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Kerry need to find a way to curb McCaffrey's influence the next day. He scored 1-3 from wing-back, which is unheard of at this level.
Partly because the Dub forwards were so poor
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2019, 05:56:00 PM
Yeah, I don't know how Brolly and Whelan thought the Cooper/Clifford incident was a free out to Dublin.

It was as clear as day - Clifford tried to let the ball go past him and Cooper was caught on wrong side, knew that Clifford was on a free run through the centre so he pulled his arm.  It shows him pulling his arm, clearly.

I don't know what them two lads are about - clearly out of touch.

Clifford bumped him in the back to let the ball go through... letter of the law it’s probably a free out. For some bizarre reason Cooper grabbed his arm so I can see why he was sent off but it wasn’t cut and dried.

Great game of football I only realised McCaffrey was 25 today what a player he’s brilliant and totally destroys the strength and conditioning myth around the game if you’re good enough you’re big enough.

Dublin made some big errors today namely leaving Cooper on Clifford and MDMA on the field as well as some horrible decision making in the last ten.

They won’t make those mistakes again though.

Kerry didn’t push on when they had the chance and paid for it but they’re a young team and will win All Ireland’s in the next few years. Not this one though.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on September 01, 2019, 05:57:10 PM
People said Dublin would win easily here and that Mayo’s opportunity was gone after drawn finals yet they were wrong about today and Mayo were just as competitive in the replays.

Kerry have room for improvement too. Neither Geaney or Clifford had great games and they really need to look at their own kickouts again.

Great game and delighted Kerry, like Mayo before them, showed that the Dubs can be challenged. Should be great game the next day too.

Very true Zulu but also people were saying that Kerry have way better forwards than Mayo and forwards were always Mayo's weakness in their battles with Dublin but Kerry only managed the score Mayo got in 2017!!
It will be very interesting to see what changes are made by Dublin and by Kerry to try and improve.
It seems at this point in time. that Dublin have more room for improvement and Kerry won't have the buffer of a man advantage for 35 plus minutes the next day!
The inexperienced Kerry lads will have gained a lot from today's game and maybe Brian Fenton will have some doubts after being blanked by Jack Barry yet again??
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Stall the Bailer on September 01, 2019, 05:59:26 PM

Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

So you don’t / can’t / won’t accept that Cooper was sent off for a third offence ?

O'Sullivan had also given away earlier frees in the game though

Yes but he clearly spoke to Cooper about deliberate fouling.

There are certain fouls/actions that are a yellow no matter what has went before. The tackle with the close fist into the ribs in the first half for example that he issued a noting for. The Crowley tackle with the foot that he did give a yellow for and the last foul by Sullivan that he didn't. It's the inconsistency that is frustrating.
Fist tackle to the body when attempting to get the ball is a noting. It is not a yellow as per the rules
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 01, 2019, 06:01:47 PM
At least whelan has the excuse of being biased. What is brolly’s? Then he questions gough’s integrity for clearly making the correct call.

He wanted Dublin to win, because he’s a bandwagon jumper. Always praising winning teams, and telling us all he’s privy to their training methods, team talks and sleep habits. Kerry winning didn’t fit his agenda.

Sure the Dublin players all do charity work and have time for their fans. As if no other county in the country does that. Gobshite.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 01, 2019, 06:02:41 PM

Gough was excellent.

Dublin didn’t quite get going today as a) they were rightly pulled up for fouling and b) Fenton (must have been injured) was a passenger. Gavin had an unusually poor game too.

He wasn't at all. Kerry should have finished with 14 players.

Maybe. Cooper got a warning, then a yellow then a red. O’Sullivan got his warning after the yellow. No matter what Gough did there someone would have called him inconsistent.

We’d a great game of football, and the refereeing played a major part in that. Men could hit each other and tackle each other, but dragging and pulling was a no-no.

Maybe referees should start punishing the better teams more so we get competitive matches.

So you don’t / can’t / won’t accept that Cooper was sent off for a third offence ?

O'Sullivan had also given away earlier frees in the game though

Yes but he clearly spoke to Cooper about deliberate fouling.

There are certain fouls/actions that are a yellow no matter what has went before. The tackle with the close fist into the ribs in the first half for example that he issued a noting for. The Crowley tackle with the foot that he did give a yellow for and the last foul by Sullivan that he didn't. It's the inconsistency that is frustrating.
Fist tackle to the body when attempting to get the ball is a noting. It is not a yellow as per the rules

There was no attempt to get the ball though. O'Callaghan was flying past after getting the ball and he swung a closed fist into his midsection
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 01, 2019, 06:04:09 PM
As a neutral the ref had a great game. Was constant mostly in his cards, no human us ever 100% consistent. Called off the ball fouling that dubs and kerry usually get away with. Thought he should have added a few mins at the end due to subs etc during injury time
. plus 1

+2 Ref was good
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: bannside on September 01, 2019, 06:12:54 PM
Killarney or Nowhere for the replay lol
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 01, 2019, 06:30:27 PM
Funny how the game turned out as before it the view from many was Kerry would not be wasteful like Tyrone and Mayo have been in recent All Ireland finals v Dublin yet they missed at least 3-5 there today.  Most myself included couldn't see such a porous defence being able to have a competitive game v Dublin yet on the big day they delivered their best defensive performance this summer and i can imagine that improvement was in no small part to Donie Buckley who also had Mayo so well set in up defence v Dublin. (will need more of the same for the replay)

Now the sending off had a huge bearing on the game. I think it was the correct call but it should have been 14 a side 2nd half. @Farrandeelin to be far the late free from Rock was a far more difficult one than his winning free from 2017.  A missed opportunity for Kerry? i think so but i think Kerry showed today that there is AI in this group of players in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on September 01, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
Yeah, I don't know how Brolly and Whelan thought the Cooper/Clifford incident was a free out to Dublin.

It was as clear as day - Clifford tried to let the ball go past him and Cooper was caught on wrong side, knew that Clifford was on a free run through the centre so he pulled his arm.  It shows him pulling his arm, clearly.

I don't know what them two lads are about - clearly out of touch.

Clifford bumped him in the back to let the ball go through... letter of the law it’s probably a free out. For some bizarre reason Cooper grabbed his arm so I can see why he was sent off but it wasn’t cut and dried.

Great game of football I only realised McCaffrey was 25 today what a player he’s brilliant and totally destroys the strength and conditioning myth around the game if you’re good enough you’re big enough.

Dublin made some big errors today namely leaving Cooper on Clifford and MDMA on the field as well as some horrible decision making in the last ten.

They won’t make those mistakes again though.

Kerry didn’t push on when they had the chance and paid for it but they’re a young team and will win All Ireland’s in the next few years. Not this one though.

Jack McCaffrey is 6ft. He's hardly small.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: whitey on September 01, 2019, 06:38:22 PM
Funny how the game turned out as before it the view from many was Kerry would not be wasteful like Tyrone and Mayo have been in recent All Ireland finals v Dublin yet they missed at least 3-5 there today.  Most myself included couldn't see such a porous defence being able to have a competitive game v Dublin yet on the big day they delivered their best defensive performance this summer and i can imagine that improvement was in no small part to Donie Buckley who also had Mayo so well set in up defence v Dublin. (will need more of the same for the replay)

Now the sending off had a huge bearing on the game. I think it was the correct call but it should have been 14 a side 2nd half. @Farrandeelin to be far the late free from Rock was a far more difficult one than his winning free from 2017.  A missed opportunity for Kerry? i think so but i think Kerry showed today that there is AI in this group of players in the foreseeable future.

Was the late free as difficult as Cillian O Connors attempt that came off the post? (And that he “bottled” according to the Mayo haters)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WhoDat on September 01, 2019, 06:41:32 PM
jim gavin nearly cost dublin that game. a poor performance on the sideline from him. if they'd lost, there would have to be serious scrutiny given to his decision to leave cooper in that situation when it was very clear he was getting a roasting and was more than likely going to end up sent off. he didn't make the switch when he should have and because dublin got away with it, it probably wont be looked at in any serious way. and then taking off howard, who was having a great game, and bringing on connolly who offered nothing...that fella must have serious dirt on gavin to be getting the chances he's been given this season.

as for kerry, for all the talk about their forward line, their shooting was cat and the utter failure to capitalise on their man advantage will more than likely come back to haunt them in a couple of weeks. dublin will win the replay.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WhoDat on September 01, 2019, 06:47:04 PM
At least whelan has the excuse of being biased. What is brolly’s? Then he questions gough’s integrity for clearly making the correct call.

He wanted Dublin to win, because he’s a bandwagon jumper. Always praising winning teams, and telling us all he’s privy to their training methods, team talks and sleep habits. Kerry winning didn’t fit his agenda.

Sure the Dublin players all do charity work and have time for their fans. As if no other county in the country does that. Gobshite.

his obsession with dublin is very odd. he seems desperate to be somehow involved with them, acting like he's best mates with them all and has the inside track. he just wants to insert himself into their story somehow
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 01, 2019, 06:59:13 PM
Was the late free as difficult as Cillian O Connors attempt that came off the post? (And that he “bottled” according to the Mayo haters)


More difficult i think for Rock also but some "supporters" will always look for someone to blame for losing.

On another note. 0-10 for D Rock and 0-10 for S O'Shea when did two players score that much in one All Ireland senior final? The minor final which went to extra time had Corbett Cork scoring 1-7 and Culhane Galway scoring 0-10.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 07:00:10 PM
At least whelan has the excuse of being biased. What is brolly’s? Then he questions gough’s integrity for clearly making the correct call.

He wanted Dublin to win, because he’s a bandwagon jumper. Always praising winning teams, and telling us all he’s privy to their training methods, team talks and sleep habits. Kerry winning didn’t fit his agenda.

Sure the Dublin players all do charity work and have time for their fans. As if no other county in the country does that. Gobshite.

his obsession with dublin is very odd. he seems desperate to be somehow involved with them, acting like he's best mates with them all and has the inside track. he just wants to insert himself into their story somehow

He done the same with Tyrone from 03 to 08. When tyrone were  not winning he jumped on the anti tyrone bandwagon resulting in his famous Sean cavanagh rant.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 01, 2019, 07:14:11 PM
At least whelan has the excuse of being biased. What is brolly’s? Then he questions gough’s integrity for clearly making the correct call.

He wanted Dublin to win, because he’s a bandwagon jumper. Always praising winning teams, and telling us all he’s privy to their training methods, team talks and sleep habits. Kerry winning didn’t fit his agenda.

Sure the Dublin players all do charity work and have time for their fans. As if no other county in the country does that. Gobshite.

his obsession with dublin is very odd. he seems desperate to be somehow involved with them, acting like he's best mates with them all and has the inside track. he just wants to insert himself into their story somehow

He done the same with Tyrone from 03 to 08. When tyrone were  not winning he jumped on the anti tyrone bandwagon resulting in his famous Sean cavanagh rant.

He’s done the same with Donegal under McGuinness, Crossmaglen and lately Corofin.

Yes, all those teams derserve praise for their achievements. But Brolly goes one further by saying how he attends their training sessions, regularly texts the players, socialises with them, and knows every minute detail of their personal lives. Read his GL column to get a glimpse of his own fantasyland. An utter bullshitter.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: chrissears on September 01, 2019, 07:23:33 PM
cooper has been doing that for the last 5 years but no idea why he wasn't subbed before he was a red card waiting to happen
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 07:25:06 PM
Yeah exactly. Should have been subbed. Big faux pas from gavin. Plays on the edge so if he has to be disciplined you have taken a lot of his game away.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on September 01, 2019, 07:37:05 PM
jim gavin nearly cost dublin that game. a poor performance on the sideline from him. if they'd lost, there would have to be serious scrutiny given to his decision to leave cooper in that situation when it was very clear he was getting a roasting and was more than likely going to end up sent off. he didn't make the switch when he should have and because dublin got away with it, it probably wont be looked at in any serious way. and then taking off howard, who was having a great game, and bringing on connolly who offered nothing...that fella must have serious dirt on gavin to be getting the chances he's been given this season.

as for kerry, for all the talk about their forward line, their shooting was cat and the utter failure to capitalise on their man advantage will more than likely come back to haunt them in a couple of weeks. dublin will win the replay.

Poor decisions during the game from Dublin, Kerry subs contributed 1-2, Dublin subs  0-0.


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 07:40:34 PM
There was a year against mayo gavin nearly lost it for them too when he didn’t play Connolly and played O’Gara. Still a great manager but fallible.

Kerry subs 1-2 plus Walsh caused all kinds of bother. He really can’t kick a ball any more though.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 07:46:35 PM
Jack Mc is the best footballer of his generation and an all time great. He's scarily good.

Kerry fucked it in the bin in the first 20 mins. Panicked early and snatched at a lot.l, leading to some awful wides.

Johnny Cooper has deserved that red card for about 8 years but the penalty was a joke of a call. Both yellows thoroughly deserved. On first viewing I thought he sacrificed himself after getting turned but the replay showed he clearly had a hold of his arm in advance of the turn. Stupidity whilst already on a yellow and having conceded a penalty.

Mannion and Con won't be as poor/quiet the next day. Nor will Clifford. Kerry need to sort out their discipline when it comes to shape. Stephen O'Brien shouldn't be popping up at right half back when they've am extra man.

Gavin White was absolutely brutal and could be dropped. Sherwood had a huge influence when he came on.

Ref was fine, kept the game moving. Only contentious call was not sending O'Sullivan and it was nowhere near as blatant as cooper. Fitzmaurice will be happy.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: henrym14 on September 01, 2019, 07:49:01 PM
At least the Minor game will be interesting.

?? U must have been disappointed Kerry player so while. Hope the better half didnt get the slaps.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on September 01, 2019, 07:54:24 PM
There was a year against mayo gavin nearly lost it for them too when he didn’t play Connolly and played O’Gara. Still a great manager but fallible.

Kerry subs 1-2 plus Walsh caused all kinds of bother. He really can’t kick a ball any more though.

That's a bit harsh, had two shots, fluffed the first one and scored the second from a more difficult position
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 01, 2019, 08:00:28 PM
At least whelan has the excuse of being biased. What is brolly’s? Then he questions gough’s integrity for clearly making the correct call.

He wanted Dublin to win, because he’s a bandwagon jumper. Always praising winning teams, and telling us all he’s privy to their training methods, team talks and sleep habits. Kerry winning didn’t fit his agenda.

Sure the Dublin players all do charity work and have time for their fans. As if no other county in the country does that. Gobshite.

his obsession with dublin is very odd. he seems desperate to be somehow involved with them, acting like he's best mates with them all and has the inside track. he just wants to insert himself into their story somehow

He done the same with Tyrone from 03 to 08. When tyrone were  not winning he jumped on the anti tyrone bandwagon resulting in his famous Sean cavanagh rant.

An odious **** who wants to be part of the winning story always.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: square_ball on September 01, 2019, 08:22:51 PM
Jack Mc is the best footballer of his generation and an all time great. He's scarily good.


Agree with that. McCaffrey is the best player in Ireland imo. And he’s getting better every year.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 01, 2019, 08:28:16 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 01, 2019, 08:30:59 PM
People said Dublin would win easily here and that Mayo’s opportunity was gone after drawn finals yet they were wrong about today and Mayo were just as competitive in the replays.

Kerry have room for improvement too. Neither Geaney or Clifford had great games and they really need to look at their own kickouts again.

Great game and delighted Kerry, like Mayo before them, showed that the Dubs can be challenged. Should be great game the next day too.

Very true Zulu but also people were saying that Kerry have way better forwards than Mayo and forwards were always Mayo's weakness in their battles with Dublin but Kerry only managed the score Mayo got in 2017!!
It will be very interesting to see what changes are made by Dublin and by Kerry to try and improve.
It seems at this point in time. that Dublin have more room for improvement and Kerry won't have the buffer of a man advantage for 35 plus minutes the next day!
The inexperienced Kerry lads will have gained a lot from today's game and maybe Brian Fenton will have some doubts after being blanked by Jack Barry yet again??

There were rumours that Fenton was not even gonna start today due to injury. After watching him there may have been some truth in them
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on September 01, 2019, 08:49:03 PM
No arguments with Cooper's red card. Kerry no 4 should have gone in the 2nd half though for a 2nd yellow/black card.

Kerry got all the breaks today, 1 point up in injury time, man up with the ball and yet still relying on Rock missing a free for a draw.

Any Mayo moron comparing Rock's free at the end to either of COC misses is an idiot. Last minute free against the breeze right on the sideline after working as part of 2 man FF line in 2nd half due to red card. Odds well against him kicking it.

Dubs to win the replay by at least 4 points. Clifford is carrying an injury for Kerry. Clearly not right and was done physically well before final whistle today.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 08:57:13 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake

Barely figured in the second half. Jack Barry wasn't as eye catching as he was in the first 20 minutes but I don't know when the last time Fenton was kept so quiet.

Also, he showed a couple of signs of kicking the football, so Gavin was right to haul him ashore given Macauley's, you know, complete inability to play Gaelic football.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: trileacman on September 01, 2019, 09:01:14 PM
Jesus head in the sand stuff here. Kerry couldn't beat Dublin despite having an extra man. Kerry were on course for a 10 point beating but for the sending off.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 01, 2019, 09:03:08 PM
No arguments with Cooper's red card. Kerry no 4 should have gone in the 2nd half though for a 2nd yellow/black card.

Kerry got all the breaks today, 1 point up in injury time, man up with the ball and yet still relying on Rock missing a free for a draw.

Any Mayo moron comparing Rock's free at the end to either of COC misses is an idiot. Last minute free against the breeze right on the sideline after working as part of 2 man FF line in 2nd half due to red card. Odds well against him kicking it.

Dubs to win the replay by at least 4 points. Clifford is carrying an injury for Kerry. Clearly not right and was done physically well before final whistle today.

Cooper was a total liability today, right from the throw-in -- the first real sign perhaps, of the wheels coming off this awesome Dub machine.

Agree though, that with 15 (non-liabilities) on the park, Dublin should prevail in the replay. Fair dues to Kerry, they put in one mighty shift today, but will fall short, ultimately.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 01, 2019, 09:07:45 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake

Barely figured in the second half. Jack Barry wasn't as eye catching as he was in the first 20 minutes but I don't know when the last time Fenton was kept so quiet.

Also, he showed a couple of signs of kicking the football, so Gavin was right to haul him ashore given Macauley's, you know, complete inability to play Gaelic football.

I may be wrong but I thought Dublin looked comfortable before he was taken off. Kerry got better afterwards
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: square_ball on September 01, 2019, 09:15:51 PM
I thought it was surprising that Paddy Small was first sub in. As the cliche goes he must have been going well in training. I felt he was pretty poor when he come on. The effort he dropped short ended up in the Kerry goal. The other subs were introduced very very late. It’s hard to make an impact when you’re being introduced in the 68th minute. Does Gavin not think his bench is as good as what is being made out? Maybe Bernard will get into the 26 next day out.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on September 01, 2019, 09:16:37 PM
After watching it again, I don't think Tom O'Sullivan should have got a 2nd yellow. It was a very theatrical fall from Small which made it look bad. Cooper deservedly sent off but the penalty was a joke decision.

You'd fancy Dublin in the replay 15 v 15 but if Cooper and Small start again that's no guarantee.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
Thought Kerry brought Walsh on too late, he did cause problems and Dublin tried to drag him up the field away from goal. Penalty flaky at best, there was more shout for a penalty in the 2nd half but O'Brien didn't even get a free when he was obviously a getting fouled trying to kick the ball.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 09:17:18 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake

Barely figured in the second half. Jack Barry wasn't as eye catching as he was in the first 20 minutes but I don't know when the last time Fenton was kept so quiet.

Also, he showed a couple of signs of kicking the football, so Gavin was right to haul him ashore given Macauley's, you know, complete inability to play Gaelic football.

I may be wrong but I thought Dublin looked comfortable before he was taken off. Kerry got better afterwards

I'd say that was Sherwood coming on more than Maccauley going going off.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2019, 09:19:26 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake

Barely figured in the second half. Jack Barry wasn't as eye catching as he was in the first 20 minutes but I don't know when the last time Fenton was kept so quiet.

Also, he showed a couple of signs of kicking the football, so Gavin was right to haul him ashore given Macauley's, you know, complete inability to play Gaelic football.

Harsh!! The man has won a plethora of All Ireland’s and while not the silliest of footballers does some amount of work and a great job for Dublin
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
After watching it again, I don't think Tom O'Sullivan should have got a 2nd yellow. It was a very theatrical fall from Small which made it look bad. Cooper deservedly sent off but the penalty was a joke decision.

You'd fancy Dublin in the replay 15 v 15 but if Cooper and Small start again that's no guarantee.

I thought that too. Initially I thought had to go being on a yellow but on watching back wasn’t so sure.

I thought the ref did a lot right today to be honest.

I also wondered would brogan get back in the squad. As was said Kerry’s subs had much greater impact which is very unusual for the dubs.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2019, 09:21:10 PM
Think he a modern day footballer where the basic ability to kick or solo a ball is not required, but been a strong fielder for yrs though.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 01, 2019, 09:24:53 PM
Jesus head in the sand stuff here. Kerry couldn't beat Dublin despite having an extra man. Kerry were on course for a 10 point beating but for the sending off.

Have to say agree with this, Kerry are getting a free pass. Imagine that was Mayo who failed to beat 14 man Dublin, missed a penalty and Cillian O'Connor performed as poorly as  Clifford. Somehow chokers and bottlers would be mentioned a lot.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: square_ball on September 01, 2019, 09:27:01 PM
Think he a modern day footballer where the basic ability to kick or solo a ball is not required, but been a strong fielder for yrs though.

Thats a myth from the ‘it was better in our day’ brigade. There’s not a county footballer in Ireland that is not highly skilled at the basics including MDMA.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2019, 09:27:48 PM
Clifford was doing alright, It a simple matter of not enough supply into him, Kerry were getting pinning in for long stages. You can't do much if you don't want have the ball.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 01, 2019, 09:28:28 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake

Barely figured in the second half. Jack Barry wasn't as eye catching as he was in the first 20 minutes but I don't know when the last time Fenton was kept so quiet.

Also, he showed a couple of signs of kicking the football, so Gavin was right to haul him ashore given Macauley's, you know, complete inability to play Gaelic football.

Harsh!! The man has won a plethora of All Ireland’s and while not the silliest of footballers does some amount of work and a great job for Dublin

Two all stars and a player off the year also I believe
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2019, 09:28:35 PM
Bollocks MDMA can't solo a ball fact,
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2019, 09:31:16 PM
Clifford did ok. Seemed nervous and shot a few wides. He was scaring the life out of cooper. He was better than Geaney who I thought Byrne marshalled well.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 09:37:06 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake

Barely figured in the second half. Jack Barry wasn't as eye catching as he was in the first 20 minutes but I don't know when the last time Fenton was kept so quiet.

Also, he showed a couple of signs of kicking the football, so Gavin was right to haul him ashore given Macauley's, you know, complete inability to play Gaelic football.

Harsh!! The man has won a plethora of All Ireland’s and while not the silliest of footballers does some amount of work and a great job for Dublin

Very true and he's been one of the most important Dubs of the last decade. Fully deserved his all stars and FOTY award.

Doesn't change the fact that he can't play football to save his life.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 01, 2019, 09:40:19 PM
How did the ref miss that?


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 01, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake

Barely figured in the second half. Jack Barry wasn't as eye catching as he was in the first 20 minutes but I don't know when the last time Fenton was kept so quiet.

Also, he showed a couple of signs of kicking the football, so Gavin was right to haul him ashore given Macauley's, you know, complete inability to play Gaelic football.

Harsh!! The man has won a plethora of All Ireland’s and while not the silliest of footballers does some amount of work and a great job for Dublin

Very true and he's been one of the most important Dubs of the last decade. Fully deserved his all stars and FOTY award.

Doesn't change the fact that he can't play football to save his life.

And yet he has 6 AI medals:

All-Ireland Senior Football Championship: 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 09:51:02 PM
Taking off Mannion and Howard is a big call by Gavin.

Mannion was poor I thought

I thought taking off MDMA was a mistake

Barely figured in the second half. Jack Barry wasn't as eye catching as he was in the first 20 minutes but I don't know when the last time Fenton was kept so quiet.

Also, he showed a couple of signs of kicking the football, so Gavin was right to haul him ashore given Macauley's, you know, complete inability to play Gaelic football.

Harsh!! The man has won a plethora of All Ireland’s and while not the silliest of footballers does some amount of work and a great job for Dublin

Very true and he's been one of the most important Dubs of the last decade. Fully deserved his all stars and FOTY award.

Doesn't change the fact that he can't play football to save his life.

And yet he has 6 AI medals:

All-Ireland Senior Football Championship: 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018

See the reference to him being one of their most important players of the decade.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2019, 09:54:03 PM
I’m borderline astounded anyone though Clifford had a poor game today. He led the line brilliantly. Missed a few shots on goal, but hi, everyone does that.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: rodney trotter on September 01, 2019, 09:59:37 PM
MacAuley always looks clumsy looking on the field. Arms flying everywhere, hops the balls more then solos it. He's a good crafter though with a great engine. I remember watching him in the Club All Ireland with Ballyboden and he was impressive.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 01, 2019, 10:05:25 PM
MDMA is absolutely worth his place -- reminds me of Enda Mc Ginley for ourselves, nothing exceptional but critically crucial for the basic things in the middle of the park, and without which any team struggles.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 01, 2019, 10:08:12 PM
I wrote a number of times on this thread that this would be a 50/50 game, much to the amusement of those who don’t realise that All Ireland finals usually take on a life of their own with no reference to previous form or bookies odds. And the replay will also be a toss up.

BTW. What odds now on the Dubs doing ten in a row as predicted by some of the more demented doom merchants on this forum?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 10:09:15 PM
I wrote a number of times on this thread that this would be a 50/50 game, much to the amusement of those who don’t realise that All Ireland finals usually take on a life of their own with no reference to previous form or bookies odds. And the replay will also be a toss up.

BTW. What odds now on the Dubs doing ten in a row as predicted by some of the more demented doom merchants on this forum?

The massive asterisk to that is they played a man down for 40 minutes.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 01, 2019, 10:13:23 PM
I’m borderline astounded anyone though Clifford had a poor game today. He led the line brilliantly. Missed a few shots on goal, but hi, everyone does that.

You are losing it, in the opening 10 minutes of the game, he kicked two wides and skied another effort so badly it landed on the 20-metre line. He also dropped at least one short and his hand passing execution was poor. He's a marquee forward his standards are higher, 2 points from those opportunities he had today is poor play. Seanie O'Shea on the other hand, now there's a leader.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Main Street on September 01, 2019, 10:13:49 PM
I’ve just watched the game on rte player, as good a final as anyone could have expected, that it ended in a draw just dampened the aftermath somewhat. Kerry were excellent today (with room to improve) against the best football team I have ever seen, albeit they were down to 14.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 10:14:01 PM
I wrote a number of times on this thread that this would be a 50/50 game, much to the amusement of those who don’t realise that All Ireland finals usually take on a life of their own with no reference to previous form or bookies odds. And the replay will also be a toss up.

BTW. What odds now on the Dubs doing ten in a row as predicted by some of the more demented doom merchants on this forum?

I would say very high. Dubin played 40 minutes with a player down and nearly won the the game. What are they going to do with a full 15 for 70 mins
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 01, 2019, 10:15:27 PM
Good game. David Moran and Sean O’Shea were absolutely sensational today, as were Rock and McCaffrey for the Dubs. Fair play to Kerry O’Callaghan, Mannion and Fenton would have been singled out after destroying Mayo and all 3 were fairly quiet today by their own standards.

Kerry definitely left it behind them today, played a full half with an extra man, missed at least 3-4 that on any other day would have been scored. Thought the penalty was a wee bit harsh but by the letter of the law was a penalty. Clifford was fairly poor today by his own standards but kicked 2 lovely points and won a lot of frees. That shot that dropped short late on was very poor though as were some of his wides. Disappointed in Geaney as well today, though Barry was very good as was Spillane when he came on. Tommy Walsh still a great asset to have.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 01, 2019, 10:20:17 PM
Jack Mc is the best footballer of his generation and an all time great. He's scarily good.


Agree with that. McCaffrey is the best player in Ireland imo. And he’s getting better every year.
Absolutely brilliant today after a disappointing semi.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 01, 2019, 10:24:18 PM
I’m borderline astounded anyone though Clifford had a poor game today. He led the line brilliantly. Missed a few shots on goal, but hi, everyone does that.
He did rightly other than the wides, but they were all shots a player of his quality should be putting over in his sleep.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 10:28:04 PM
Des Cahill is some f**king dose.

Asks Cavanagh about key Dublin players not having the influence that might have been expected of then. Cavanagh starts explaining, using Fenton as an example. "He's only human!" gives out Des. Twat.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rudi on September 01, 2019, 10:28:30 PM
Good game. David Moran and Sean O’Shea were absolutely sensational today, as were Rock and McCaffrey for the Dubs. Fair play to Kerry O’Callaghan, Mannion and Fenton would have been singled out after destroying Mayo and all 3 were fairly quiet today by their own standards.

Kerry definitely left it behind them today, played a full half with an extra man, missed at least 3-4 that on any other day would have been scored. Thought the penalty was a wee bit harsh but by the letter of the law was a penalty. Clifford was fairly poor today by his own standards but kicked 2 lovely points and won a lot of frees. That shot that dropped short late on was very poor though as were some of his wides. Disappointed in Geaney as well today, though Barry was very good as was Spillane when he came on. Tommy Walsh still a great asset to have.

Agree with most of this, thought the game was slightly below standard expected and the penalty and sending off were correct calls. Kerry full backline in particular were excellent today. Dublin may well win the replay however I believe their dominance is coming to an end. Cycles and all that, nothing ever lasts.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2019, 10:30:26 PM
I’m borderline astounded anyone though Clifford had a poor game today. He led the line brilliantly. Missed a few shots on goal, but hi, everyone does that.
He did rightly other than the wides, but they were all shots a player of his quality should be putting over in his sleep.

I think a few of you might have impossibly high standards.

Dublin’s super-experienced bemedalled masses also missed a handful of scoreable chances today. And they’re not 20 year olds in their first All Ireland final getting the shite bate out of them by johnny Cooper.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: beer baron on September 01, 2019, 10:31:55 PM
I hope he's not I'll or this could sound real bad but is it just me thinking Des is pissed?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 10:32:57 PM
I’m borderline astounded anyone though Clifford had a poor game today. He led the line brilliantly. Missed a few shots on goal, but hi, everyone does that.
He did rightly other than the wides, but they were all shots a player of his quality should be putting over in his sleep.

I think a few of you might have impossibly high standards.

Dublin’s super-experienced bemedalled masses also missed a handful of scoreable chances today. And they’re not 20 year olds in their first All Ireland final getting the shite bate out of them by johnny Cooper.

Who is saying they weren't? Why does ever f**king comment have to be balanced with something on the other side?!

Umpteen posts mentioning subpar performances from Mannion, Con, Fenton etc.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rudi on September 01, 2019, 10:38:25 PM
Jack McCaffrey had a great game, seems like good craic and a bit of a free spirit. Even in parade before game smiling and enjoying himself.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2019, 10:42:37 PM
But Mannion, Con and Fenton (in particular) had nowhere near the influence on the game that players of their ability can have.

As such you could have replaced them with any 3 Dublin subs without affecting the final Dublin performance (indeed, Dublin might actually have been stronger starting some of their veterans over those 3, based purely on today).

Clifford though scored a couple, won a series of frees and a penalty, had his marker sent off for persistent fouling, and proved an effective one-man outlet when Kerry has 14 behind the ball.

There’s nobody on the Kerry bench would have come close to that contribution. O’Shea might have kicked brilliantly and Moran might have fielded brilliantly, but all that would have been in vain without Clifford.

But people want to focus on a couple of wides. I don’t know why.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 01, 2019, 10:42:49 PM
Gough did well. The odd soft free, but got most big calls right.

I’d say Dublin Joe will get replay, and he’ll be sure to make a **** of it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Sportacus on September 01, 2019, 10:50:08 PM
Wonderful game.  Kerry will be going back to the replay fully capable of finishing Dublin off.  Cluxton, McCaffrey and Rock had great games, after that Dublin were off form.  Have you ever seen MDM so quiet?  Moran and O’Shea excellent for Kerry.  Kerry’s forwards I thought showed a lot of class and were creating something out of almost every attack, but they were starved at times.  I really think the replay is 50:50.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 01, 2019, 10:51:51 PM
Boat missed.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2019, 10:52:28 PM
Kerry should spend two weeks sending Shane Ryan to a kicking camp btw.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: square_ball on September 01, 2019, 10:56:07 PM
Man of the match award cancelled because it was a draw or did I miss it?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyHarp on September 01, 2019, 10:59:11 PM
Man of the match award cancelled because it was a draw or did I miss it?

I think Des casually mentioned in conversation at the end that Jack McCaffery was MoM. Did they award it in the live show maybe?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Capt Pat on September 01, 2019, 10:59:16 PM
Man of the match award cancelled because it was a draw or did I miss it?

It looks that way. Unless we both missed it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on September 01, 2019, 11:19:41 PM
They mentioned McCaffrey as MotM on the Sunday Game which would be the right choice IMHO.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: square_ball on September 01, 2019, 11:20:58 PM
They mentioned McCaffrey as MotM on the Sunday Game which would be the right choice IMHO.

Yeah I’d be of the same thinking. McStay and Canning will be disappointed. They must have had money on Cluxton.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 01, 2019, 11:22:38 PM
Boat missed.

Are you stuck in Holyhead?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thebar on September 01, 2019, 11:26:27 PM
Boat missed.
Totally agree match was there for the taking and Kerry left it behind.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: square_ball on September 01, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
Is there anywhere you can get the full match again? I assume RTE player doesn’t work up North.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 01, 2019, 11:39:23 PM

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 01, 2019, 11:44:00 PM
Are we supposed to be seeing something there, bunker?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 01, 2019, 11:57:53 PM
Are we supposed to be seeing something there, bunker?

There are quite a few animals in the picture!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: marty34 on September 02, 2019, 01:01:10 AM
Yeah, I don't know how Brolly and Whelan thought the Cooper/Clifford incident was a free out to Dublin.

It was as clear as day - Clifford tried to let the ball go past him and Cooper was caught on wrong side, knew that Clifford was on a free run through the centre so he pulled his arm.  It shows him pulling his arm, clearly.

I don't know what them two lads are about - clearly out of touch.

Clifford bumped him in the back to let the ball go through... letter of the law it’s probably a free out. For some bizarre reason Cooper grabbed his arm so I can see why he was sent off but it wasn’t cut and dried.

Great game of football I only realised McCaffrey was 25 today what a player he’s brilliant and totally destroys the strength and conditioning myth around the game if you’re good enough you’re big enough.

Dublin made some big errors today namely leaving Cooper on Clifford and MDMA on the field as well as some horrible decision making in the last ten.

They won’t make those mistakes again though.

Kerry didn’t push on when they had the chance and paid for it but they’re a young team and will win All Ireland’s in the next few years. Not this one though.

Was Clifford not out in front of Cooper?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: shantygael on September 02, 2019, 02:36:15 AM
Are we supposed to be seeing something there, bunker?
Are we supposed to be seeing something there, bunker?

There are quite a few animals in the picture!
and Dean rock is also in the foreground,ssvsges they are
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on September 02, 2019, 07:51:19 AM
Boat missed.
Totally agree match was there for the taking and Kerry left it behind.
Dhera
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: bogieman on September 02, 2019, 08:01:29 AM
I agree, the boat has sailed.

But, after a few days, most certainly a couple of weeks, she'll be ready to go again, and good sharp lessons be learnt under these circumstances...  8)

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 02, 2019, 08:13:33 AM
But Mannion, Con and Fenton (in particular) had nowhere near the influence on the game that players of their ability can have.

As such you could have replaced them with any 3 Dublin subs without affecting the final Dublin performance (indeed, Dublin might actually have been stronger starting some of their veterans over those 3, based purely on today).

Clifford though scored a couple, won a series of frees and a penalty, had his marker sent off for persistent fouling, and proved an effective one-man outlet when Kerry has 14 behind the ball.

There’s nobody on the Kerry bench would have come close to that contribution. O’Shea might have kicked brilliantly and Moran might have fielded brilliantly, but all that would have been in vain without Clifford.

But people want to focus on a couple of wides. I don’t know why.
If it was any other forward than Clifford we’d be saying he did well but had a couple of poor wides.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on September 02, 2019, 08:22:21 AM
Connolly's missed attempt was very poor, fairly central on the 45 with not massive pressure on him, you'd have put the house on him scoring
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: bannside on September 02, 2019, 08:51:52 AM
Come on Kerry, what's keeping you?? I'm very seriously waiting on the call KILLARNEY or NOWHERE.

Kildare would have done it by now, and every player and supporter would be behind it to the core.

Give me one reason why it shouldnt go to Killarney....and if the Dubs go there and win it then fair play to them, they will be deserving champs. As it stands Croke Pk is arguably worth 2 or 3 points of a start to them.

Yours sincerely,

Integrity in sport.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on September 02, 2019, 09:36:57 AM
An All Ireland Final in Newbridge ::)
Better get them tablets changed.
Anyway that was an absorbing tussle and thankfully wasn't the rout I and many others expected.
Roll on the replay.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on September 02, 2019, 09:48:02 AM



Spot the GPS competition  ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 02, 2019, 10:04:28 AM
Neutral viewpoint

Clifford done very well after a bit of a wobble in opening 10 mins. Him and Sean O'Shea are certainly for real. Great players. Kerry will be around for awhile going forward alright.

Keane masterstroke, got all his tactics spot on you have to say. But what can he change going forward?

The Kerry penalty wasn't a penalty for me, mattered not but maybe was a contribution in the end to Coopers red card.....looked like Gough couldn't wait to get it out.....on the other hand he let Tom O'Sullivan off with something not a million miles away which would have been his red card. I'd be feeling sore if I was Cooper this morning - his prior is irrelevant, he probably had this coming but for me he was harshly done by yesterday. Aiden O'Shea would have a penalty a game if there was consistency.

Kerry keep ball in the last five was criminal, too many turn overs.....they say you have to lose one to win one, that experience of yesterday will stick to them for the rest of their footballing careers - saying that Dublin were insatiable, unbelievable fitness and effort from them.

Strange to take MDMA off at the time?

Paddy Small had a nightmare, you'll be lucky to see him in replay......Berno......would he have taken those efforts on? Gavin will surely be furious.

Connolly had his chance of glory, didn't get it but he won the ball back on the halfway line for the equaliser didn't he? The type of unstylish contribution but every bit as important.

If Rock hadn't have started his run to final free off the pitch, would that have seen him nail the final score?

Great game between two great counties - every bit the final, I have to say I was expecting Dublin to win easy.....maybe they were well on their way before the red but....great to have another game to look forward to!



Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Taylor on September 02, 2019, 10:25:07 AM
Gavin was completely outwitted with tactics and substitutions which is unusual.

Kerry will be sick today - have missed the boat for sure - not being able to win after having an extra man for 40+mins is criminal.

Dublin wont be as bad the next day.

Ref got most of the the big decisions right (should have retaken the penalty & OSullivan very lucky to stay on the pitch)

Moran, OShea, McCaffrey, Cluxton, Howard all having massive games.

Kerry playing keep ball from the 64th minute was an accident waiting to happen given how hungry the Dubs were in hunting them down

Edit to say I was very disappointed in Geaney's performance and was shocked to see him appear for the second half. Why has ODonoghue fallen so far down the pecking order after one bad game?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyroneman on September 02, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
Not sure where all the Kerry hype is coming from.

Dublin were very comfortable with 15 men, holding Kerry at arms length.

Kerry struggled to even get ahead of 14 men for the best part of the second half and were still dependent on Rock missing a (albeit difficult ) free not to lose.

Add in that several Dublin players were under par, Gavin was unusually poor with his decision making and most of the Kerry team played out of their skins.....
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on September 02, 2019, 10:36:27 AM
If only Tyrone had got to the Final...... ::)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: johnnycool on September 02, 2019, 10:47:29 AM
Yeah, I don't know how Brolly and Whelan thought the Cooper/Clifford incident was a free out to Dublin.

It was as clear as day - Clifford tried to let the ball go past him and Cooper was caught on wrong side, knew that Clifford was on a free run through the centre so he pulled his arm.  It shows him pulling his arm, clearly.

I don't know what them two lads are about - clearly out of touch.

Clifford bumped him in the back to let the ball go through... letter of the law it’s probably a free out. For some bizarre reason Cooper grabbed his arm so I can see why he was sent off but it wasn’t cut and dried.

Great game of football I only realised McCaffrey was 25 today what a player he’s brilliant and totally destroys the strength and conditioning myth around the game if you’re good enough you’re big enough.

Dublin made some big errors today namely leaving Cooper on Clifford and MDMA on the field as well as some horrible decision making in the last ten.

They won’t make those mistakes again though.

Kerry didn’t push on when they had the chance and paid for it but they’re a young team and will win All Ireland’s in the next few years. Not this one though.

Was Clifford not out in front of Cooper?

I thought that too, Clifford had a step on him, used his rump to shield the ball, Cooper got caught on the wrong side going for a ball he was never going to get and grabbed the arm of Clifford to bring him down.

At half time I was taken aback by the vigour wee Joe was trying to protest that it was actually a free out rather than a yellow for Cooper.
Is he looking to get on the after dinner speakers circuit in Dublin now?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 02, 2019, 10:57:17 AM
Gavin was completely outwitted with tactics and substitutions which is unusual.

Kerry will be sick today - have missed the boat for sure - not being able to win after having an extra man for 40+mins is criminal.

Dublin wont be as bad the next day.

Ref got most of the the big decisions right (should have retaken the penalty & OSullivan very lucky to stay on the pitch)

Moran, OShea, McCaffrey, Cluxton, Howard all having massive games.

Kerry playing keep ball from the 64th minute was an accident waiting to happen given how hungry the Dubs were in hunting them down

Edit to say I was very disappointed in Geaney's performance and was shocked to see him appear for the second half. Why has ODonoghue fallen so far down the pecking order after one bad game?

He is made of glass.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 02, 2019, 10:58:43 AM
Not sure where all the Kerry hype is coming from.

Dublin were very comfortable with 15 men, holding Kerry at arms length.

Kerry struggled to even get ahead of 14 men for the best part of the second half and were still dependent on Rock missing a (albeit difficult ) free not to lose.

Add in that several Dublin players were under par, Gavin was unusually poor with his decision making and most of the Kerry team played out of their skins.....

Bit of a one sided view of the game. Kerry should have been ahead with 15 on 15 and quite often in games 14 v 15 doesn't make as big a difference as is made out.

Kerry missed a serious amount of chances in the first 20 minutes when on top. I'm sure part of the reason some of the Dublin players were poor was because they were well marked/their opponents played well. A lot of new Kerry players who could well learn from yesterdays experience. I'm also not convinced Dublin's bench is as good as it once was. If I was putting money on the replay it would be Dublin to win by 5 or 6 but I'd have said the same yesterday and expect another battle in two weeks times.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 02, 2019, 11:00:53 AM
Neutral viewpoint

Clifford done very well after a bit of a wobble in opening 10 mins. Him and Sean O'Shea are certainly for real. Great players. Kerry will be around for awhile going forward alright.

Keane masterstroke, got all his tactics spot on you have to say. But what can he change going forward?

The Kerry penalty wasn't a penalty for me, mattered not but maybe was a contribution in the end to Coopers red card.....looked like Gough couldn't wait to get it out.....on the other hand he let Tom O'Sullivan off with something not a million miles away which would have been his red card. I'd be feeling sore if I was Cooper this morning - his prior is irrelevant, he probably had this coming but for me he was harshly done by yesterday. Aiden O'Shea would have a penalty a game if there was consistency.

Kerry keep ball in the last five was criminal, too many turn overs.....they say you have to lose one to win one, that experience of yesterday will stick to them for the rest of their footballing careers - saying that Dublin were insatiable, unbelievable fitness and effort from them.

Strange to take MDMA off at the time?

Paddy Small had a nightmare, you'll be lucky to see him in replay......Berno......would he have taken those efforts on? Gavin will surely be furious.

Connolly had his chance of glory, didn't get it but he won the ball back on the halfway line for the equaliser didn't he? The type of unstylish contribution but every bit as important.

If Rock hadn't have started his run to final free off the pitch, would that have seen him nail the final score?

Great game between two great counties - every bit the final, I have to say I was expecting Dublin to win easy.....maybe they were well on their way before the red but....great to have another game to look forward to!
kerry needed to keep the ball, but they had their extra man in the full forward line, when they needed the extra player to carry the ball out of defence
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on September 02, 2019, 11:03:59 AM
My instant reaction was that I was very happy to get out of there with a draw. We finished on the up, but I definitely didn’t want Kerry to get one more chance to win it, so was happy for Dean to take that last one on, even though it was unlikely to go over, just so long as it went dead for the draw.

I’ve no complaints about the ref. The penalty was a bit harsh, and it did lead to Cooper getting a yellow and red, instead of tick and yellow, but Jonny didn’t help himself. Arguably Clifford fouled first on the final foul, but probably not. Impossible to know for sure how 15v14 affected the second half scoreline. I think not by much, though that’s probably very much a minority view.

Perhaps Clifford got a bit more protection than Con and Mannion? Gough had a couple of opportunities to even up the penalty count when Con got manhandled just before a ball came in, and to even up the red card count with O’Sullivan, but honestly, I think he got those calls right, while many lesser refs would have jumped at the opportunity to even things up. I think he’s the best ref about, and it’s unfortunate he’s not allowed do the replay. Please don’t let it go to McQuillan.

If we’d lost by a point, it’d be Hawkeye I’d have been whinging about! At least it’s the exact same for both teams, but find it hard to understand how a ball barely shaving the inside of the virtual post is not a point, when if it was a real post it would be a point every time. And not that Hawkeye is 100% accurate anyway.

Sean O’Se is some player. Very impressed.

Great game, great excitement, can’t wait for the replay. McCaffrey won’t get the freedom he got to carry us through next time, so there’s a few lads who’ll need to step up. Not that Kerry lack much in confidence anyway, but they’ll now know they can beat us.

Hasn’t been talked about much in the buildup, but our subs bench has continued to be very much a mixed bag this year.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: screenexile on September 02, 2019, 11:19:33 AM
Ah lads the video of the Kerry and Dubs fans having a sing off and then all joining in singing "f**k Tyrone" is possibly the funniest/best thing I've seen in ages. Brilliant!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyroneman on September 02, 2019, 11:20:58 AM
If only Tyrone had got to the Final...... ::)

Tyrone are nowhere near the level needed to beat Dublin.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 02, 2019, 11:22:17 AM
Ah lads the video of the Kerry and Dubs fans having a sing off and then all joining in singing "f**k Tyrone" is possibly the funniest/best thing I've seen in ages. Brilliant!!

Good to still be thought about!!  :)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 02, 2019, 11:24:46 AM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on September 02, 2019, 11:31:42 AM
Ah lads the video of the Kerry and Dubs fans having a sing off and then all joining in singing "f**k Tyrone" is possibly the funniest/best thing I've seen in ages. Brilliant!!

where can this be viewed?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 02, 2019, 11:42:02 AM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 02, 2019, 11:51:39 AM
Jim Gavin will be a relieved man this morning. Outwitted by Keabe yesterday and he made a lot of uncharacteristic errors on the line both with substitutions and lack of changes. It was obvious from early on that Cooper was struggling with Clifford and as soon as he was on a yellow card he still left him on Cliffford playing inside which was a recipe for disaster given Coopers tendency to play on the edge.

I seen enough yesterday to think that Kerry have a good chance in the replay as well, they have a lot of young players who stood up to the mark yesterday and there is no reason to believe that they won't do likewise again in 2 weeks time. Defensively they were much better than I expected whilst O'Shea was excellent from both free kicks and in open play. Dublin are still worthy favourites but even if kerry don't win the title this year they could go on to dominate for the next few years given the age profile of a lot of their players.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on September 02, 2019, 11:59:08 AM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
It was exactly 45m out, straight in front of the posts. Well within Diarmo’s range, so well worth a pop.

Paddy Small had a couple of efforts that were very low percentage though. Of course, always easy in hindsight!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tbrick18 on September 02, 2019, 12:00:50 PM
I thought it was a fantastic game. Great atmosphere, plenty of drama and no shortage of talent on show.
I don't think Cooper can have any complaints. Gough, in all 3 instances of penalty, yellow cards and sending off, I think applied the rules to the letter. Cooper was really struggling on Clifford which was where the real problem lay.

I have to say, tactically I think Kerry didn't take advantage of the spare man, though are probably unlucky to not have won the game.
A lot being said of Dublin not performing, I think Kerry didn't let them perform.
Jack McCaffery was un-markable yesterday. Unbelievable player.
Kerry lucky they didn't lose their corner back, but I heard the commentary last night on TSG that he hadn't any ticks to his name, only a yellow. So another foul would probably have had him on the line to.
Kerry may have missed the boat, but I thought they hadn't a hope this week and look what happened.
Looking forward to the replay.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thebuzz on September 02, 2019, 12:02:49 PM
Not sure where all the Kerry hype is coming from.

Dublin were very comfortable with 15 men, holding Kerry at arms length.

Kerry struggled to even get ahead of 14 men for the best part of the second half and were still dependent on Rock missing a (albeit difficult ) free not to lose.

Add in that several Dublin players were under par, Gavin was unusually poor with his decision making and most of the Kerry team played out of their skins.....

Bit of a one sided view of the game. Kerry should have been ahead with 15 on 15 and quite often in games 14 v 15 doesn't make as big a difference as is made out.

Kerry missed a serious amount of chances in the first 20 minutes when on top. I'm sure part of the reason some of the Dublin players were poor was because they were well marked/their opponents played well. A lot of new Kerry players who could well learn from yesterdays experience. I'm also not convinced Dublin's bench is as good as it once was. If I was putting money on the replay it would be Dublin to win by 5 or 6 but I'd have said the same yesterday and expect another battle in two weeks times.

Being down to 14 men isn't nearly as big a deal as being down to 10 men in soccer. The team who lose the man quite often become more galvanised and with 14 there isn't that big a difference.

Tyrone beat Derry in '95 with 13 men. :( :( :(
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on September 02, 2019, 12:10:59 PM
Ah lads the video of the Kerry and Dubs fans having a sing off and then all joining in singing "f**k Tyrone" is possibly the funniest/best thing I've seen in ages. Brilliant!!

can someone post this up please?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 02, 2019, 12:13:09 PM
Ah lads the video of the Kerry and Dubs fans having a sing off and then all joining in singing "f**k Tyrone" is possibly the funniest/best thing I've seen in ages. Brilliant!!

can someone post this up please?

Or was it a screenexile dream ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tbrick18 on September 02, 2019, 01:26:45 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 02, 2019, 01:28:23 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 02, 2019, 01:30:09 PM
Looking forward to the replay now, should be another classic. The difference between the Mayo-Dublin and Kerry-Dublin games is that you never really believed Mayo had the forwards to get over the line, while Kerry most certainly do.

Clifford mixed the good with the bad. Something that isn't really been talked about is how well he did to get Cooper sent off. Cooper's second yellow came from Clifford very cleverly getting Cooper on the wrong side. That said, he missed a few simple enough chances that he'll need to pop over the next day.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: laoislad on September 02, 2019, 01:32:43 PM
Ah lads the video of the Kerry and Dubs fans having a sing off and then all joining in singing "f**k Tyrone" is possibly the funniest/best thing I've seen in ages. Brilliant!!

can someone post this up please?

https://twitter.com/dermonolan91/status/1168270765357187072?s=19
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: oakleafgael on September 02, 2019, 01:34:22 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

He does it almost every game and if its not him its the medical personnel. Just on your second point, I'm open to correction on this, the play is only supposed to be stopped for a head injury. It should have been stopped in the build up to the Kerry goal. An accidental collision between the Kerry goalkeeper coming out with a high ball and an oncoming Dublin player. I think it was his elbow clipped him on the way out and it was obvious he was hurt by it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on September 02, 2019, 01:41:52 PM
Not sure where all the Kerry hype is coming from.

Dublin were very comfortable with 15 men, holding Kerry at arms length.

Kerry struggled to even get ahead of 14 men for the best part of the second half and were still dependent on Rock missing a (albeit difficult ) free not to lose.

Add in that several Dublin players were under par, Gavin was unusually poor with his decision making and most of the Kerry team played out of their skins.....

Bit of a one sided view of the game. Kerry should have been ahead with 15 on 15 and quite often in games 14 v 15 doesn't make as big a difference as is made out.

Kerry missed a serious amount of chances in the first 20 minutes when on top. I'm sure part of the reason some of the Dublin players were poor was because they were well marked/their opponents played well. A lot of new Kerry players who could well learn from yesterdays experience. I'm also not convinced Dublin's bench is as good as it once was. If I was putting money on the replay it would be Dublin to win by 5 or 6 but I'd have said the same yesterday and expect another battle in two weeks times.

Being down to 14 men isn't nearly as big a deal as being down to 10 men in soccer. The team who lose the man quite often become more galvanised and with 14 there isn't that big a difference.



While that may be true in general, it had a direct bearing on the Kerry goal.  Small and the Kerry Goalkeeper collided, and Small stayed down, leaving Kerry breaking against, effectively, 13 men. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 02, 2019, 01:44:23 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 02, 2019, 01:48:54 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 02, 2019, 01:52:37 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.

Maybe he can, but we haven’t seen it on the pitch.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 02, 2019, 01:53:10 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Would disagree with that tbh. Must watch it back. Maybe being harsh but remember thinking at the time that he took the ball static and without momentum which can make a distance kick much harder. And didn't think it was the best option. Maybe if he had been running on to it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WhoDat on September 02, 2019, 01:54:28 PM
Jim Gavin will be a relieved man this morning. Outwitted by Keabe yesterday and he made a lot of uncharacteristic errors on the line both with substitutions and lack of changes. It was obvious from early on that Cooper was struggling with Clifford and as soon as he was on a yellow card he still left him on Cliffford playing inside which was a recipe for disaster given Coopers tendency to play on the edge.

I seen enough yesterday to think that Kerry have a good chance in the replay as well, they have a lot of young players who stood up to the mark yesterday and there is no reason to believe that they won't do likewise again in 2 weeks time. Defensively they were much better than I expected whilst O'Shea was excellent from both free kicks and in open play. Dublin are still worthy favourites but even if kerry don't win the title this year they could go on to dominate for the next few years given the age profile of a lot of their players.

I think dublin will win the replay, but one glimmer of hope for kerry is that the dublin bench is not as strong as it used to be and it seemed very apparent yesterday that gavin doesn't trust his subs. kerry shouldn't have much to fear from that bench. bringing on connolly, a fella who was half way to america a few weeks ago when the game was in the balance just proved the options aren't what they were from the bench anymore
his slow reactions showed a lack of faith in the bench that I dont believe we've seen in recent years from dublin
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on September 02, 2019, 01:55:48 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

This is something that is so apparent when at a match and looking out the pitch at the movements for the restarts, it's a clear cynical tactic that needs to be stamped out, there's loads of teams at it - it's not just Dublin. The Kerry runner in the minor semi final this year was a disgrace for it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 02, 2019, 01:57:12 PM
Looking forward to the replay now, should be another classic. The difference between the Mayo-Dublin and Kerry-Dublin games is that you never really believed Mayo had the forwards to get over the line, while Kerry most certainly do.

Clifford mixed the good with the bad. Something that isn't really been talked about is how well he did to get Cooper sent off. Cooper's second yellow came from Clifford very cleverly getting Cooper on the wrong side. That said, he missed a few simple enough chances that he'll need to pop over the next day.

Will be interesting to see if Dublin leave Cooper on Clifford for the replay. Cooper was in all sorts of trouble from early on and he will have been the most relieved man in Croke Park after Dublin lived to fight another day. I'd imagine his place will be in jeopardy for the next match but I don't see an obvious replacement for Cooper unless they play Cian O'Sullivan as a sweeper in front of Clifford and Geaney to give added protection.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on September 02, 2019, 01:59:47 PM
I'd be surprised if Cooper doesn't start.  One poor game from a usually totally reliable defender.  Though I don't think he'll be on Clifford.  Mick Fitz did pretty well against him (as well as anyone could, really); I'd expect to see him pick him up again.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on September 02, 2019, 01:59:53 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.

Maybe he can, but we haven’t seen it on the pitch.

Watch the 2nd half of the 2017 All Ireland replay or 2014 All Ireland club final if you haven't seen Connolly as his best.

I think Clifford is carrying am injury. He was gone with 10 minutes left and it was only on the pitch at the end because of his reputation.

 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 02, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
I thought McCarthy looked quite slow yesterday and might be better moved to midfield and O"Sullivan coming in. MDMA didn't quite cut it so might be something dublin would change.

McMahon should surely have some kind of role.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on September 02, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

Tony McEntee did that for us all the time under Rochford and he credited Donie Buckley with coming up with idea!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on September 02, 2019, 02:11:13 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.

Maybe he can, but we haven’t seen it on the pitch.

Watch the 2nd half of the 2017 All Ireland replay or 2014 All Ireland club final if you haven't seen Connolly as his best.

I think Clifford is carrying am injury. He was gone with 10 minutes left and it was only on the pitch at the end because of his reputation.

 

I think that's just the way Clifford is, not down to injury. He doesn't have the legs or work rate that other forwards have. He's a big lad so will feel the pace of the game more than others.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on September 02, 2019, 02:13:21 PM
Looking forward to the replay now, should be another classic. The difference between the Mayo-Dublin and Kerry-Dublin games is that you never really believed Mayo had the forwards to get over the line, while Kerry most certainly do.

Clifford mixed the good with the bad. Something that isn't really been talked about is how well he did to get Cooper sent off. Cooper's second yellow came from Clifford very cleverly getting Cooper on the wrong side. That said, he missed a few simple enough chances that he'll need to pop over the next day.

Belief and reality are two different things and the reality is Mayo were just as close as Kerry and both sets of forwards preformed in very similar ways against the Dubs, well on yesterday's evidence anyway!!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Keane on September 02, 2019, 02:19:16 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

Passions running high I suppose, bad form though from some of our crowd.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 02, 2019, 02:39:20 PM
Conor Lane rumoured to ref the replay.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WhoDat on September 02, 2019, 02:46:36 PM
I thought McCarthy looked quite slow yesterday and might be better moved to midfield and O"Sullivan coming in. MDMA didn't quite cut it so might be something dublin would change.

McMahon should surely have some kind of role.

gavin doesn't trust mcmahon
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on September 02, 2019, 02:47:26 PM
Conor Lane rumoured to ref the replay.
There’s going to be great fun with Charlie Redmond and Vinny Murphy and the boys taking the mick  with the likes of ‘how can you have a cork man who spends all his holidays in Kerry reffing a Kerry match’  ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: RandyDupree on September 02, 2019, 02:51:43 PM
Anywhere to rewatch the match online? Would like to see it from a sober perspective.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: ballinaman on September 02, 2019, 02:58:53 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.

Maybe he can, but we haven’t seen it on the pitch.

Watch the 2nd half of the 2017 All Ireland replay or 2014 All Ireland club final if you haven't seen Connolly as his best.

I think Clifford is carrying am injury. He was gone with 10 minutes left and it was only on the pitch at the end because of his reputation.

 

I think that's just the way Clifford is, not down to injury. He doesn't have the legs or work rate that other forwards have. He's a big lad so will feel the pace of the game more than others.
Clifford has a history of shoulder instability and had stabilization surgery as far as I’m aware. Cooper of course wouldn’t have known this and all pulling type more movements were accidental.  ::)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on September 02, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
Ah lads the video of the Kerry and Dubs fans having a sing off and then all joining in singing "f**k Tyrone" is possibly the funniest/best thing I've seen in ages. Brilliant!!

can someone post this up please?

https://twitter.com/dermonolan91/status/1168270765357187072?s=19

Tyrone still living rent free in Kerry's heads i see, and i guess those weren't the Dubs that visited Aidan McAnespie's memorial.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Estimator on September 02, 2019, 03:11:52 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

This is something that is so apparent when at a match and looking out the pitch at the movements for the restarts, it's a clear cynical tactic that needs to be stamped out, there's loads of teams at it - it's not just Dublin. The Kerry runner in the minor semi final this year was a disgrace for it.

It's a tactic that a lot of teams are employing. Kildare did it against Derry last year at Owenbeg. For everyone of Derry's kickouts a member of the backroom team was standing 15yrds infield taking up space. Would need a player to empty him to draw attention to it.

On the match itself. There was/is a lot of talk about the Dublin bench. And the competition just to get on to the 26. Yet looking at the player ratings in the Irish News. The only Dublin sub that achieved a rating was Paddy Small, the rest weren't given one as they were deemed to be 'Not on long enough to be rated'. Does Jim not trust the players enough to give them a bit more game time?

Finally it was heartwarming to see both sets of fans come together to sing "F*ck Tyrone"  :P
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on September 02, 2019, 04:08:18 PM
Quote
The 9/2 on offer for half time full time Kerry / Dublin looks a good bet.

Killarney was a disaster for us. We tried to play a kick pass game that day and failed. Horan went conservative against Dublin (don’t blame him) after that. Possession was obviously the mantra.

If Kerry can share possession and play a kicking game into their inside forwards in the first half they could build a lead.

Whatever happens after that is up in the air.

Wouldn’t rule out a draw.

FFS I didn't back the draw..................
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 02, 2019, 04:08:59 PM
Can anyone explain what happened last night then with Banquets etc?

Cancelled or how does that work....I've no idea, maybe one of the Dubs or Mayo lads know.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: westbound on September 02, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on September 02, 2019, 04:24:59 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!
The Kerry lad (Griffin?) was on much more than Sherlock in the first half. I think Jayo upped his game in the 2nd!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on September 02, 2019, 04:25:31 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!

Sean O'Shea was unable to run freely at end when Gough didn't allow medical attention on for Dublin free out. He hobbled back up field and was same attack where he gave away the Rock free kick out under Cusack sideline.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 02, 2019, 04:38:27 PM
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.

Maybe he can, but we haven’t seen it on the pitch.

Watch the 2nd half of the 2017 All Ireland replay or 2014 All Ireland club final if you haven't seen Connolly as his best.

I think Clifford is carrying am injury. He was gone with 10 minutes left and it was only on the pitch at the end because of his reputation.

 

Firstly, there was no replay final in 2017. And I did see 2017 final and the club final. Yes a few decent scores, but he’s hardly up there with the likes of Brogan, Cooper, Murphy etc who continually do the business on big days. Connolly is a very overrated player.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: westbound on September 02, 2019, 04:40:29 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!
The Kerry lad (Griffin?) was on much more than Sherlock in the first half. I think Jayo upped his game in the 2nd!

Lol

As I said, sherlock wouldn't be the first runner to be at it!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: westbound on September 02, 2019, 04:42:46 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!

Sean O'Shea was unable to run freely at end when Gough didn't allow medical attention on for Dublin free out. He hobbled back up field and was same attack where he gave away the Rock free kick out under Cusack sideline.
I didn't notice O'shea hobbling, but he was certainly gassed when he gave away that free.
But the refs are told to play on unless it's a head injury (or a serious injury), so Gough was correct to allow play to go on.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rudi on September 02, 2019, 04:56:31 PM
Whelan made an eggit of himself at half time on the Sunday game, didn't see  that big thick head on him since the Mayo boys warmed up at the hill 16 end in 2006.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 02, 2019, 05:11:24 PM
I thought McCarthy looked quite slow yesterday and might be better moved to midfield and O"Sullivan coming in. MDMA didn't quite cut it so might be something dublin would change.

McMahon should surely have some kind of role.

gavin doesn't trust mcmahon

Why do you think that
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on September 02, 2019, 05:14:07 PM
Video doing the rounds of Kerry and Dublin fans singing expletives about Tyrone. What a great bunch of lads.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 02, 2019, 05:15:23 PM
Not that Kerry lack much in confidence anyway, but they’ll now know they can beat us.
Not sure how you have come to that conclusion?

Kerry will draw encouragement from their competitive display yesterday no doubt but knowing they can beat Dublin when they had opportunity against 14 man for 40 mins and didn't take it....
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on September 02, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!

Sean O'Shea was unable to run freely at end when Gough didn't allow medical attention on for Dublin free out. He hobbled back up field and was same attack where he gave away the Rock free kick out under Cusack sideline.
I didn't notice O'shea hobbling, but he was certainly gassed when he gave away that free.
But the refs are told to play on unless it's a head injury (or a serious injury), so Gough was correct to allow play to go on.



Agreed, his tightness/injury added to him struggling to get back and ultimately make a jaded bad tackle. Lucky for him it was a tough free for Rock.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 02, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Video doing the rounds of Kerry and Dublin fans singing expletives about Tyrone. What a great bunch of lads.

That’s the Chinese you’re thinking of.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 02, 2019, 06:40:56 PM
Video doing the rounds of Kerry and Dublin fans singing expletives about Tyrone. What a great bunch of lads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9tHRsvvZWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9tHRsvvZWg)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 02, 2019, 06:44:03 PM
Conor Lane Cork confirmed as the ref for the replay.  I'm surprised HQ have reduced prices to now 60 euro for stand tickets and 30 euro for terrace tickets.

Odds Dublin 4/11 Kerry 15/4 and another draw 11/1
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on September 02, 2019, 07:03:03 PM
Conor Lane Cork confirmed as the ref for the replay.  I'm surprised HQ have reduced prices to now 60 euro for stand tickets and 30 euro for terrace tickets.

Odds Dublin 4/11 Kerry 15/4 and another draw 11/1

Didn't think they'd reduce them that much. Might try and get a terrace ticket if possible.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 02, 2019, 09:33:38 PM
Final replay tickets are always reduced. Was previously 50 down from 80 so 60 down from 90 to be expected.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 02, 2019, 09:38:33 PM
Final replay tickets are always reduced. Was previously 50 down from 80 so 60 down from 90 to be expected.

And i suppose replays has just one game instead of two. Not that many Kerry and Dublin supporters were that interested in the U17 final yesterday. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on September 02, 2019, 09:44:11 PM
Final replay tickets are always reduced. Was previously 50 down from 80 so 60 down from 90 to be expected.

Fairly sure I paid 60 for the replay in 2016 so I thought it would be more this year with the price increases across the board.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WT4E on September 02, 2019, 10:09:34 PM
Video doing the rounds of Kerry and Dublin fans singing expletives about Tyrone. What a great bunch of lads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9tHRsvvZWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9tHRsvvZWg)

Kinda funny and i'm from Tyrone - who cares. Makes me feel my county is worthwhile to be on the minds of the big hitters even on All Ireland Final day
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Dire Ear on September 02, 2019, 10:36:07 PM
Exactly, it really doesn’t matter. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 02, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
It's just young lads slagging! Fun!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on September 02, 2019, 11:36:55 PM
Whats a tie roan now?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyroneman on September 03, 2019, 08:52:53 AM
As the old saying goes...only thing worse than being talked about.......
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on September 03, 2019, 09:42:29 AM
What a great final, the quality of football not overally good but the game had everything, loads of talking points, fair play to Kerry to putting it up to the Dubs. The last 10 minutes was so intense, i was shaking, similair to the Mayo finals.

I know the incidents will be analysed to death but personally i have no complaints, Gough was good for the majority of the game, some calls go you way some days, some dont, just get on with it.

Dublin missed the chances to win it, 6 wides in the last 10 minutes, made some good turnovers too, too many big players didnt show up for Dublin, i cant see that happening again.

Hopeing for another great match between the Aristocrats of game.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 03, 2019, 12:56:39 PM
An enthralling game and that was only because of the sending off, if it hadn't happened Dublin would have cruised home like last year; Even with the sending off dublin controlled the rest of the game apart from a crazy ten mins where Kerry hit 1-4 whilst the Dubs hit a point. Before that they were in total control and during the last 10 minutes afterwards Kerry didn't even have an attempt at the posts whilst Dublin had around 7 despite been a man down. I was very disappointed with Geaney, wouldn't be the first time he's gone missing against the Dubs. kerry will relying on the Dubs going a man down again the next day to give them a chance.

It was high in drama and tension but miles off the quality of the 2017 final.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 03, 2019, 01:36:02 PM
An enthralling game and that was only because of the sending off, if it hadn't happened Dublin would have cruised home like last year; Even with the sending off dublin controlled the rest of the game apart from a crazy ten mins where Kerry hit 1-4 whilst the Dubs hit a point. Before that they were in total control and during the last 10 minutes afterwards Kerry didn't even have an attempt at the posts whilst Dublin had around 7 despite been a man down. I was very disappointed with Geaney, wouldn't be the first time he's gone missing against the Dubs. kerry will relying on the Dubs going a man down again the next day to give them a chance.

It was high in drama and tension but miles off the quality of the 2017 final.
Kerry better team for large parts of first half before sending off, should have had two goals and Clifford had some poor wides also.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on September 03, 2019, 02:35:17 PM
Dubs had a higher conversion rate
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: red hander on September 03, 2019, 04:38:58 PM
Anybody know any bars in Side in Turkey likely to be showing the replay?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 03, 2019, 08:05:26 PM
An enthralling game and that was only because of the sending off, if it hadn't happened Dublin would have cruised home like last year; Even with the sending off dublin controlled the rest of the game apart from a crazy ten mins where Kerry hit 1-4 whilst the Dubs hit a point. Before that they were in total control and during the last 10 minutes afterwards Kerry didn't even have an attempt at the posts whilst Dublin had around 7 despite been a man down. I was very disappointed with Geaney, wouldn't be the first time he's gone missing against the Dubs. kerry will relying on the Dubs going a man down again the next day to give them a chance.

It was high in drama and tension but miles off the quality of the 2017 final.
Kerry better team for large parts of first half before sending off, should have had two goals and Clifford had some poor wides also.
If Kerry had led at half time instead of 4 points behind?

As Kevin McStay said in his piece on the Irish times. Kerry only scored 8 times from 18 chances first half and that is not good. On another day could easily have scored 2-10 in the 1st half when the game was 15 v 15.  Dublin in the 1st half scored 10 times from 14 shots. They only became wasteful in the final ten minutes with just 1 score from 6 attempts at goal.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: balladmaker on September 04, 2019, 08:20:27 AM
I counted 7 steps by Spillane from bounce to scoring the goal ... just saying.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Taylor on September 04, 2019, 08:53:30 AM
I counted 7 steps by Spillane from bounce to scoring the goal ... just saying.

Only 7?
Check out the steps by Murphy before his shot that Cluxton tipped onto the crossbar  :o
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 04, 2019, 08:56:52 AM
I counted 7 steps by Spillane from bounce to scoring the goal ... just saying.

FFS the step rule went out years ago, they should change it to 8.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 04, 2019, 11:24:01 AM
An enthralling game and that was only because of the sending off, if it hadn't happened Dublin would have cruised home like last year; Even with the sending off dublin controlled the rest of the game apart from a crazy ten mins where Kerry hit 1-4 whilst the Dubs hit a point. Before that they were in total control and during the last 10 minutes afterwards Kerry didn't even have an attempt at the posts whilst Dublin had around 7 despite been a man down. I was very disappointed with Geaney, wouldn't be the first time he's gone missing against the Dubs. kerry will relying on the Dubs going a man down again the next day to give them a chance.

It was high in drama and tension but miles off the quality of the 2017 final.
Kerry better team for large parts of first half before sending off, should have had two goals and Clifford had some poor wides also.

Mayo had the better of Dublin in the first half of the semi final. They won't get the better of Dublin next time.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on September 04, 2019, 01:41:11 PM
Why?

Most people here were saying Kerry would be well beaten. Loads of 'experts' said Mayo lost their chance against Dublin in drawn All Irelands yet every time Mayo played this Dublin team in an All Ireland they went toe to toe and competed all the way. No reason Kerry can't go again.

Dublin are a great team and they've the ability to put any team to the sword. At times in the drawn game they looked set to pull away from Kerry but Kerry left a lot of scores behind them too and had they taken those it would have been a big mountain for Dublin to climb when they did get on top.

I think people are reading too much into Dublin's performance with 14. That's not evidence that they would have beaten Kerry with 15 rather it's evidence of the character, bravery, organisation and tactical nous of this Dublin team that they could still play as if they had 15 when a man short. I don't think any other team would have survived against Kerry with 14 players but I don't think Dublin would have been significantly better with 15, Cluxton just wouldn't have been marking Tommy Walsh!

As with the first day, Dublin are rightly favourites and if there's to be an easy winner it will be them but Jack Barry will cause Fenton the same problems his caused every time they've matched up, Moran is still Fenton's only real contender for best midfielder in Ireland and Geaney, Clifford, O'Se and O'Brien are still capable to tearing Dublin's defence to shreds.

The replay should be another great game and I'll be looking forward to it once again.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on September 04, 2019, 02:39:13 PM
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Why?

Most people here were saying Kerry would be well beaten. Loads of 'experts' said Mayo lost their chance against Dublin in drawn All Irelands yet every time Mayo played this Dublin team in an All Ireland they went toe to toe and competed all the way. No reason Kerry can't go again.

Dublin are a great team and they've the ability to put any team to the sword. At times in the drawn game they looked set to pull away from Kerry but Kerry left a lot of scores behind them too and had they taken those it would have been a big mountain for Dublin to climb when they did get on top.

I think people are reading too much into Dublin's performance with 14. That's not evidence that they would have beaten Kerry with 15 rather it's evidence of the character, bravery, organisation and tactical nous of this Dublin team that they could still play as if they had 15 when a man short. I don't think any other team would have survived against Kerry with 14 players but I don't think Dublin would have been significantly better with 15, Cluxton just wouldn't have been marking Tommy Walsh!

As with the first day, Dublin are rightly favourites and if there's to be an easy winner it will be them but Jack Barry will cause Fenton the same problems his caused every time they've matched up, Moran is still Fenton's only real contender for best midfielder in Ireland and Geaney, Clifford, O'Se and O'Brien are still capable to tearing Dublin's defence to shreds.

The replay should be another great game and I'll be looking forward to it once again.

I went for the draw as a prediction myself but you are living in fantasy land if you think the replay will be close. This time around Dublin will blitz Kerry in the first 10 minutes, there will be no arm signals the next day to slow things down. The replay will be over at half time. It was obvious to anyone watching it that had it been 15 v 15 for the whole match Dublin would've won by a comfortable 7 to 8 points.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on September 04, 2019, 02:53:48 PM
Wouldn't agree with that at all. While it was 15 v 15 Dublin cleared a ball off the line, saved a penalty, a Kerry point skimmed the bar and Clifford missed two very scorable points but yeah, all the evidence is Dublin would have won 15 v 15!! Yes, Dublin came much more into it as the game went on and there were times when the Kerry defence were hanging on but it's ridiculous to say if it had been 15 a side Dublin would have won by 7 or 8. Games have ups and downs and there's nothing to suggest Kerry wouldn't have had their periods on top again.

Sure if Tyrone has a player sent off in the first half of the semi final you'd be saying Kerry would have been beaten by 10 points if it hadn't happened yet without a sending off they turned it around and beat Tyrone well in the second half.

We were told Kerry would be blitzed in the first game and they weren't and I doubt they will in the second game either. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Dire Ear on September 04, 2019, 03:12:07 PM
I'd agree with Zulu,  Kerry will be much better the next day;  of course Dublin will improve but Kerry for me, goals galore! ............( unfortunately! )
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 04, 2019, 03:22:23 PM
Wouldn't agree with that at all. While it was 15 v 15 Dublin cleared a ball off the line, saved a penalty, a Kerry point skimmed the bar and Clifford missed two very scorable points but yeah, all the evidence is Dublin would have won 15 v 15!! Yes, Dublin came much more into it as the game went on and there were times when the Kerry defence were hanging on but it's ridiculous to say if it had been 15 a side Dublin would have won by 7 or 8. Games have ups and downs and there's nothing to suggest Kerry wouldn't have had their periods on top again.

Sure if Tyrone has a player sent off in the first half of the semi final you'd be saying Kerry would have been beaten by 10 points if it hadn't happened yet without a sending off they turned it around and beat Tyrone well in the second half.

We were told Kerry would be blitzed in the first game and they weren't and I doubt they will in the second game either.

Dublin were leading by 4 points for most of the 2nd half with 14 men. Could easily have been 7 points with 15 men.

Yes Kerry missed a few goal chances including the penalty but that was because it was a crap taken penalty. Cant see kerry getting the same chances again but I hope I am wrong. Not sure if Kerry even had a shot in the last 12 min so they have a lot to work on
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on September 04, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
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We were told Kerry would be blitzed in the first game and they weren't and I doubt they will in the second game either.

Time will tell, obviously as a Dub fan there is no need to point out the hammerings Dublin have handed out to teams after half time in games....


Results this year back this up:

HT - Kildare 4 down, lost by 14
HT - Meath  4 down, lost by 16
HT - Cork 6 down, lost by 13
HT - Roscommon, forget this one
HT-  Mayo 2 up, lost by 10.

This trend would have been maintained had there been 15 v 15 for the whole game, Kerry may only have lost by 7 though as they are the second best squad in Ireland now.


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: priceyreilly on September 04, 2019, 03:29:15 PM
Can we just call out how f**king embarrassing it is for Dublin not to be walking these All Ireland's? Coming up on 50 million euro spent on professional coaches used to increase participation, increase standards in clubs and direct elite talent into the right channels. Millions more spent on staff overseeing all of this, a few hundred million spent on the stadium they play nearly every championship match in, millions in sponsorship money which includes free cars, free insurance, free meals etc and then, of course, millions spent on senior team preparation. On top of this, they have a far higher population to everyone else, their players have every opportunity to work and study at home so don't have to travel, they basically have every advantage you could ever possibly dream of. They are practically a professional outfit, they should be destroying every county, they should be winning hurling All Ireland's, they should be winning every competition they enter. Like I said, that they aren't is humiliating for them.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 04, 2019, 03:33:05 PM
Why?

Most people here were saying Kerry would be well beaten. Loads of 'experts' said Mayo lost their chance against Dublin in drawn All Irelands yet every time Mayo played this Dublin team in an All Ireland they went toe to toe and competed all the way. No reason Kerry can't go again.

Dublin are a great team and they've the ability to put any team to the sword. At times in the drawn game they looked set to pull away from Kerry but Kerry left a lot of scores behind them too and had they taken those it would have been a big mountain for Dublin to climb when they did get on top.

I think people are reading too much into Dublin's performance with 14. That's not evidence that they would have beaten Kerry with 15 rather it's evidence of the character, bravery, organisation and tactical nous of this Dublin team that they could still play as if they had 15 when a man short. I don't think any other team would have survived against Kerry with 14 players but I don't think Dublin would have been significantly better with 15, Cluxton just wouldn't have been marking Tommy Walsh!

As with the first day, Dublin are rightly favourites and if there's to be an easy winner it will be them but Jack Barry will cause Fenton the same problems his caused every time they've matched up, Moran is still Fenton's only real contender for best midfielder in Ireland and Geaney, Clifford, O'Se and O'Brien are still capable to tearing Dublin's defence to shreds.

The replay should be another great game and I'll be looking forward to it once again.

Mayo played all of the 2nd half of the AI semi final v Kerry in 2014 with 14 and Kerry only nicked a draw late on when 5 points down with 67 mins played. It was a more experienced Kerry team than the current one with the likes of M O'Se,A O'Mahony,A Maher,,D Walsh,J Buckley all starting.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 04, 2019, 03:52:23 PM
If the replay finishes in a draw, will extra time be played?

And is it another replay if level after ET?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 04, 2019, 04:06:16 PM
If the replay finishes in a draw, will extra time be played?

And is it another replay if level after ET?
Will be extra time and another replay if level after extra time.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on September 04, 2019, 04:07:37 PM
Why?

Most people here were saying Kerry would be well beaten. Loads of 'experts' said Mayo lost their chance against Dublin in drawn All Irelands yet every time Mayo played this Dublin team in an All Ireland they went toe to toe and competed all the way. No reason Kerry can't go again.

Dublin are a great team and they've the ability to put any team to the sword. At times in the drawn game they looked set to pull away from Kerry but Kerry left a lot of scores behind them too and had they taken those it would have been a big mountain for Dublin to climb when they did get on top.

I think people are reading too much into Dublin's performance with 14. That's not evidence that they would have beaten Kerry with 15 rather it's evidence of the character, bravery, organisation and tactical nous of this Dublin team that they could still play as if they had 15 when a man short. I don't think any other team would have survived against Kerry with 14 players but I don't think Dublin would have been significantly better with 15, Cluxton just wouldn't have been marking Tommy Walsh!

As with the first day, Dublin are rightly favourites and if there's to be an easy winner it will be them but Jack Barry will cause Fenton the same problems his caused every time they've matched up, Moran is still Fenton's only real contender for best midfielder in Ireland and Geaney, Clifford, O'Se and O'Brien are still capable to tearing Dublin's defence to shreds.

The replay should be another great game and I'll be looking forward to it once again.

Mayo played all of the 2nd half of the AI semi final v Kerry in 2014 with 14 and Kerry only nicked a draw late on when 5 points down with 67 mins played. It was a more experienced Kerry team than the current one with the likes of M O'Se,A O'Mahony,A Maher,,D Walsh,J Buckley all starting.

That's five years ago and this is a very different Kerry team. But look, it's speculation to say whether another team would have survived with 14 against this Kerry team last Sunday. My view is they wouldn't but we'll never really know.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 04, 2019, 04:22:10 PM
Why?

Most people here were saying Kerry would be well beaten. Loads of 'experts' said Mayo lost their chance against Dublin in drawn All Irelands yet every time Mayo played this Dublin team in an All Ireland they went toe to toe and competed all the way. No reason Kerry can't go again.

Dublin are a great team and they've the ability to put any team to the sword. At times in the drawn game they looked set to pull away from Kerry but Kerry left a lot of scores behind them too and had they taken those it would have been a big mountain for Dublin to climb when they did get on top.

I think people are reading too much into Dublin's performance with 14. That's not evidence that they would have beaten Kerry with 15 rather it's evidence of the character, bravery, organisation and tactical nous of this Dublin team that they could still play as if they had 15 when a man short. I don't think any other team would have survived against Kerry with 14 players but I don't think Dublin would have been significantly better with 15, Cluxton just wouldn't have been marking Tommy Walsh!

As with the first day, Dublin are rightly favourites and if there's to be an easy winner it will be them but Jack Barry will cause Fenton the same problems his caused every time they've matched up, Moran is still Fenton's only real contender for best midfielder in Ireland and Geaney, Clifford, O'Se and O'Brien are still capable to tearing Dublin's defence to shreds.

The replay should be another great game and I'll be looking forward to it once again.

Mayo played all of the 2nd half of the AI semi final v Kerry in 2014 with 14 and Kerry only nicked a draw late on when 5 points down with 67 mins played. It was a more experienced Kerry team than the current one with the likes of M O'Se,A O'Mahony,A Maher,,D Walsh,J Buckley all starting.

That's five years ago and this is a very different Kerry team. But look, it's speculation to say whether another team would have survived with 14 against this Kerry team last Sunday. My view is they wouldn't but we'll never really know.

The main difference is this current Kerry team are more inexperienced. Do you think Kerry managed that game well for the final ten minutes (3 mins of normal time and 7 of injury time) when they led by a point?  To me it looked like the fear of losing overtook the desire to win.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2019, 04:54:17 PM
Dublin had their now usual slow start to the game which Kerry probably should have taken more advantage off but by the time of the red card I thought they had firmly taken control of proceedings and were likely heading to a fairly comfortable win had they avoided it.

Don't know why Dublin always seem to start games so slowly but one day it will cost them. It might have even been last Sunday had Kerry been a bit more clinical.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: weareros on September 04, 2019, 06:19:04 PM
Dublin had their now usual slow start to the game which Kerry probably should have taken more advantage off but by the time of the red card I thought they had firmly taken control of proceedings and were likely heading to a fairly comfortable win had they avoided it.

Don't know why Dublin always seem to start games so slowly but one day it will cost them. It might have even been last Sunday had Kerry been a bit more clinical.

I thought Dublin's goal, thought brilliant, was against the run of play at the time and was a very poor goal for Kerry to concede. It settled Dublin. I would question how much they were in control until then. I am also not convinced 15 v 15 will make the big difference many pundits seem to think, as Kerry can do what no other team can do against Dublin and play the game at speed. That will continue to trouble Dublin backs and there's big room for improvement with Kerry forwards. That said: both teams have room for improvement and it will swing on who gets the most out of their top players.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 04, 2019, 06:23:32 PM
I thought it would be close but Dublin would pull away in the last 10-15 mins. Did the fact they weee down to 14 prevent them? Who knows. Kerry played very well and limited some of Dublin’s star men. You have to give them credit. I think Fenton was playing with an injury tho.
Fort eh replay I am going to keep faith with my original prediction. Close but Dublin to pull away with ten to go. I don’t think Kerry will keep Mannion and Con as quiet again
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 04, 2019, 06:33:17 PM
I thought it would be close but Dublin would pull away in the last 10-15 mins. Did the fact they weee down to 14 prevent them? Who knows. Kerry played very well and limited some of Dublin’s star men. You have to give them credit. I think Fenton was playing with an injury tho.
Fort eh replay I am going to keep faith with my original prediction. Close but Dublin to pull away with ten to go. I don’t think Kerry will keep Mannion and Con as quiet again
I think Jack was bursting for one at half time.

https://twitter.com/ballsdotie/status/1168180821737529345
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 04, 2019, 06:33:57 PM
I thought it would be close but Dublin would pull away in the last 10-15 mins. Did the fact they weee down to 14 prevent them? Who knows. Kerry played very well and limited some of Dublin’s star men. You have to give them credit. I think Fenton was playing with an injury tho.
Fort eh replay I am going to keep faith with my original prediction. Close but Dublin to pull away with ten to go. I don’t think Kerry will keep Mannion and Con as quiet again
Maybe not. But I doubt O’Brien, Clifford and especially Geaney will be as quiet either.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: lenny on September 04, 2019, 06:40:31 PM
I thought it would be close but Dublin would pull away in the last 10-15 mins. Did the fact they weee down to 14 prevent them? Who knows. Kerry played very well and limited some of Dublin’s star men. You have to give them credit. I think Fenton was playing with an injury tho.
Fort eh replay I am going to keep faith with my original prediction. Close but Dublin to pull away with ten to go. I don’t think Kerry will keep Mannion and Con as quiet again
I think Jack was bursting for one at half time.

https://twitter.com/ballsdotie/status/1168180821737529345

That was him only jogging!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: giveballaghback on September 04, 2019, 07:01:02 PM
Maybe all not well in paradise that is Dublin football. I heard early last week that Fenton had a back injury and the dubs to play an injured player is unthinkable.
What is even more unthinkable is the Connolly situation, he was at the airport heading to usa but was turned back with visa problems and finds himself 8 weeks later on the 26 for an all-ireland final.
This is not what Gavin has preached over the last number of years. Where now is the group, the team, the panel and the rewards that come with committing to the cause.
For the first time I can see a major crack in the Dublin set up, Gavin has thrown his book of ethics out the window and once that happens pieces will start to fall off the good ship that has been Dublin football. They may or may not win the replay but will smiling Jim be at the helm next year? My guess is he wont.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Sportacus on September 04, 2019, 07:37:01 PM
Just one observation on the forwards.  The way Geaney, O’Se and Clifford delay the slip pass until the very last moment is brilliant, pure natural ability and vision.  In contrast Dublin’s forwards are more about power, pace and patience, working it cross and back before going for the kill when they work a space.  I was seriously impressed by Kerry’s forwards.  They make the replay 50:50.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 04, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
I thought it would be close but Dublin would pull away in the last 10-15 mins. Did the fact they weee down to 14 prevent them? Who knows. Kerry played very well and limited some of Dublin’s star men. You have to give them credit. I think Fenton was playing with an injury tho.
Fort eh replay I am going to keep faith with my original prediction. Close but Dublin to pull away with ten to go. I don’t think Kerry will keep Mannion and Con as quiet again
Maybe not. But I doubt O’Brien, Clifford and especially Geaney will be as quiet either.

That’s a fair point. I still think Dublin pull away in the last ten tho
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 05, 2019, 09:20:13 AM
Maybe all not well in paradise that is Dublin football. I heard early last week that Fenton had a back injury and the dubs to play an injured player is unthinkable.
What is even more unthinkable is the Connolly situation, he was at the airport heading to usa but was turned back with visa problems and finds himself 8 weeks later on the 26 for an all-ireland final.
This is not what Gavin has preached over the last number of years. Where now is the group, the team, the panel and the rewards that come with committing to the cause.
For the first time I can see a major crack in the Dublin set up, Gavin has thrown his book of ethics out the window and once that happens pieces will start to fall off the good ship that has been Dublin football. They may or may not win the replay but will smiling Jim be at the helm next year? My guess is he wont.

The talk is the end is in sight for this wonderful Dublin team, no matter what happens I think we'll see 3/4 high profile retirements this winter, Gavin may also go himself should he do the 5....I've no reason other to say Gavin might go other than he doesn't seem to like the high profile the job brings and where else is there to go once you have scaled Everest.

I suspect Dublin will be able to replenish the stock rightly for next season though and they won't be far away once more - How close the others can get after that will be the interesting thing.

As for Connolly / Fenton - they are so talented you play them regardless of the circumstances.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: magpie seanie on September 05, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
A key stat for me the other day was that a Dublin team, playing with 14 men since the 30th minute or so, had only used 1 sub by the 66th minute. And it wasn't like everyone was playing well and they were winning comfortably. They certainly don't have the strength in depth relative to themselves in previous years. It's still a good bench but not the real difference makers of other years I'd say.

That's not to write Dublin off....all I'm saying is that there's a slightly bigger opportunity to defeat them that at any time in this recent run. They're still strong favourites.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 05, 2019, 03:24:16 PM
A key stat for me the other day was that a Dublin team, playing with 14 men since the 30th minute or so, had only used 1 sub by the 66th minute. And it wasn't like everyone was playing well and they were winning comfortably. They certainly don't have the strength in depth relative to themselves in previous years. It's still a good bench but not the real difference makers of other years I'd say.

That's not to write Dublin off....all I'm saying is that there's a slightly bigger opportunity to defeat them that at any time in this recent run. They're still strong favourites.

Maybe not even that there is a bigger opportunity, it's just there is bigger belief it can be done now.....Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Monaghan....even Cork with the underage success can probably look at Dublin and think the ship is slightly creaking over the next few months....they'll want to be building for the inevitable decline.....what goes up, must come down.

Now if Dublin put 6/7 over Kerry that will be laid to rest somewhat but we'll see what the production line is like in Dublin shortly when they are exposed to the white heat over the next few years.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 05, 2019, 04:53:23 PM
A key stat for me the other day was that a Dublin team, playing with 14 men since the 30th minute or so, had only used 1 sub by the 66th minute. And it wasn't like everyone was playing well and they were winning comfortably. They certainly don't have the strength in depth relative to themselves in previous years. It's still a good bench but not the real difference makers of other years I'd say.

That's not to write Dublin off....all I'm saying is that there's a slightly bigger opportunity to defeat them that at any time in this recent run. They're still strong favourites.

Maybe not even that there is a bigger opportunity, it's just there is bigger belief it can be done now.....Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Monaghan....even Cork with the underage success can probably look at Dublin and think the ship is slightly creaking over the next few months....they'll want to be building for the inevitable decline.....what goes up, must come down.

Now if Dublin put 6/7 over Kerry that will be laid to rest somewhat but we'll see what the production line is like in Dublin shortly when they are exposed to the white heat over the next few years.
Wouldn't be getting too carried away with Cork underage success yet. The jury remains out at senior level.  They won Munster U21 titles in 2011,12,13,14 and 2016 that should have given the senior set up a type of pick to be established top 6 team but instead they dropped to Div 3 and this year was the first time in years that they reached the last eight of the championship.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MC on September 05, 2019, 05:46:57 PM
Who are the assumed retirees from the Dublin panel?
I suspect they still have have players coming through and quite a few young players who have already made the team in the last few years will be there for quite a few years yet.

The biggest issue may be replacing Stephen Cluxton - not just for his kickouts but the standards he seems to set for the team in training and everything else.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 05, 2019, 08:48:04 PM
Who are the assumed retirees from the Dublin panel?
I suspect they still have have players coming through and quite a few young players who have already made the team in the last few years will be there for quite a few years yet.

The biggest issue may be replacing Stephen Cluxton - not just for his kickouts but the standards he seems to set for the team in training and everything else.
probably depends on the result next Sat. Can’t see too many wanting to retire on a defeat.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 05, 2019, 09:05:08 PM
All this talk will of course be redundant if they blitz Kerry the next day...

Is gavin giving youth enough of a chance ? There is definitely plenty of talent coming through.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on September 05, 2019, 10:06:31 PM
All this talk will of course be redundant if they blitz Kerry the next day...

Is gavin giving youth enough of a chance ? There is definitely plenty of talent coming through.

Does Galvin remind anyone else of Inspector  Jacques Clouseau from the Pink Panther.
The cap pulled down over his face, his collars pulled up over his ears and continuously
speaking into his sleeve ( well, I think it’s his sleeve anyway ) .
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 05, 2019, 10:22:36 PM
Maybe all not well in paradise that is Dublin football. I heard early last week that Fenton had a back injury and the dubs to play an injured player is unthinkable.
What is even more unthinkable is the Connolly situation, he was at the airport heading to usa but was turned back with visa problems and finds himself 8 weeks later on the 26 for an all-ireland final.
This is not what Gavin has preached over the last number of years. Where now is the group, the team, the panel and the rewards that come with committing to the cause.
For the first time I can see a major crack in the Dublin set up, Gavin has thrown his book of ethics out the window and once that happens pieces will start to fall off the good ship that has been Dublin football. They may or may not win the replay but will smiling Jim be at the helm next year? My guess is he wont.

I think Gavin will quit after the final and 6 or 7 players could go as well. Either way Kerry will start next year as the team to beat.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ohtoohtobe on September 06, 2019, 06:43:16 AM
Who are the assumed retirees from the Dublin panel?
I suspect they still have have players coming through and quite a few young players who have already made the team in the last few years will be there for quite a few years yet.

The biggest issue may be replacing Stephen Cluxton - not just for his kickouts but the standards he seems to set for the team in training and everything else.

I’d have Cluxton, Fitzsimons, McMahon, O’Sullivan, Macauley, Connolly, O’Gara, Brogan, McManamon and Andrews as the probable/possible retirees.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on September 10, 2019, 07:15:19 PM
Connolly named to start.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 10, 2019, 07:34:49 PM
Connolly named to start.

Saw that, instead of John Small.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 10, 2019, 09:13:47 PM
Connolly named to start.

According to that leaked program team I presume? Would be a bit of bizzare one change to make
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2019, 10:12:51 PM
Just a misunderstanding is all.

What Jim actually said was to "put the small lad at wing-back".

Expect John Small at 7.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 11, 2019, 09:51:11 PM
Connolly named to start.

That leaked pic didn’t look real. The letters were different sizes
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on September 11, 2019, 10:44:43 PM
Tommy Walsh full back for Kerry
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: bucko on September 12, 2019, 12:47:16 AM
Big factor for me will be if Dublin can get Fenton into the game in a big way. I didn’t imagine he would be as anonymous as he was in the drawn game. It would seem that Kerry and Jack Barry have his number based on their last few meetings. If Fenton can get more involved, winning possession and getting on the ball more than the last day it’d be a big swing towards Dublin imo.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on September 12, 2019, 12:52:35 PM
Big factor for me will be if Dublin can get Fenton into the game in a big way. I didn’t imagine he would be as anonymous as he was in the drawn game. It would seem that Kerry and Jack Barry have his number based on their last few meetings. If Fenton can get more involved, winning possession and getting on the ball more than the last day it’d be a big swing towards Dublin imo.
Fenton seemed to be on Barry sometimes and on Moran at others. My memory of the league final a couple of years ago is that Barry just did a man-marking job on Fenton, stuck to him and pretty much ignored what was going on. That definitely wasn't the case last week. Fenton played a much more conservative role than usual, hardly any of his runs with the ball, or even supporting runs without it. Moran and Barry both also seemed to get the better of him in high ball duels.

There was talk leading up to the final that Fenton was ill and doubtful.

Now, at least 80% of the "talk leading up to the final" is pure nonsense, so whether it's true or a handy excuse, I don't know.
Given he lasted the full 70m, you would be inclined to think he was fine (although Dubs have a real lack of depth at midfield, so maybe a 50% Fenton was better than gambling on O'Cofaigh Byrne off the bench).

There's a lot of speculation that Macauley will lose out for the replay, with McCarthy going in there and bringing in Murchan or O'Sullivan (although talk is Cian is not fit) to half back. MikeD is definitely one who can make an impact off the bench, but I fear it may allow Kerry dominate the early aerial exchanges in midfield.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyHarp on September 12, 2019, 08:39:33 PM
Jesus this is embarrassing. https://youtu.be/xAoC2saP9sE
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on September 12, 2019, 08:57:50 PM
Caidology
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on September 12, 2019, 09:01:38 PM
Jesus this is embarrassing. https://youtu.be/xAoC2saP9sE

#believe
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: chrissears on September 12, 2019, 09:13:18 PM
Jesus this is embarrassing. https://youtu.be/xAoC2saP9sE
its worse than that "victory or death", ffs
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on September 12, 2019, 09:20:28 PM
Jesus this is embarrassing. https://youtu.be/xAoC2saP9sE

They sure love themselves down in Kerry.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 12, 2019, 09:32:31 PM
They should’ve just used this...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk
 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: blanketattack on September 13, 2019, 08:53:04 AM
Fine player in his day.

I'm going with Loughnane's sentiments...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JZozNRfYNA&t=11s
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Sportacus on September 13, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Good weather forecast and it won’t be as breezy as the last day.  Would either team gain more from good conditions?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on September 13, 2019, 01:07:43 PM
Josh Pray won't be at it

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/theatre-arts/comedy/ill-never-leave-you-im-the-black-marty-josh-pray-reassures-irish-fans-he-will-return-38494149.html
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Gmac on September 13, 2019, 02:25:27 PM
Connolly starting and McCarthy to midfield would be music to Kerry ears I think
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:03:02 PM
Connolly starting and McCarthy to midfield would be music to Kerry ears I think
Why?
(not that I think Connolly will start, barring unknown injuries)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Gmac on September 13, 2019, 03:34:08 PM
Connolly starting and McCarthy to midfield would be music to Kerry ears I think
Why?
(not that I think Connolly will start, barring unknown injuries)
connollys first start in a real game in 2 years and has looked way off pace in his cameos against Mayo and especially last day , McCarthy has struggled against Mayo and looked very bad last day and moving him to midfield to cover more ground is not going to help him .
Dublin have gone from looking like they have 25 great players to now looking like they are panicking a bit about bench , still think they win with mannion and o Callaghan to be driving force .
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 13, 2019, 03:48:08 PM
Connolly starting and McCarthy to midfield would be music to Kerry ears I think
Why?
(not that I think Connolly will start, barring unknown injuries)
connollys first start in a real game in 2 years and has looked way off pace in his cameos against Mayo and especially last day , McCarthy has struggled against Mayo and looked very bad last day and moving him to midfield to cover more ground is not going to help him .
Dublin have gone from looking like they have 25 great players to now looking like they are panicking a bit about bench , still think they win with mannion and o Callaghan to be driving force .

I see the Indo are reporting that Bernard Brogan will be on the bench tomorrow, his brother and father were outspoken about him not making the 26 for the last day i'd wonder did that play a part in his recall to the match day panel?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 04:48:00 PM
Jack O'Shea trying to convince Dublin that Eoghan O'Gara should be a starter  ???

He is gone from Kerry too long and the cure hoorism has left him.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Gmac on September 13, 2019, 04:53:04 PM
Josh Pray won't be at it

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/theatre-arts/comedy/ill-never-leave-you-im-the-black-marty-josh-pray-reassures-irish-fans-he-will-return-38494149.html
will u miss him ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on September 13, 2019, 07:59:44 PM
Brogan definitely deserves his place. Connolly nowhere near up to pace I don’t think, Kerry boys will run rings round him.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: naka on September 13, 2019, 08:09:50 PM
Guys
Which premium reserve is needed for tomorrow?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 13, 2019, 11:25:16 PM
Good luck to the Boys in Blue tomorrow. It will be a tough assignment but I’m pretty confident that they’ll rise to the occasion. I can’t wait.


COYBIB
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on September 14, 2019, 06:57:47 AM
Gotta love these articles about how Dublin got outta jail etc etc.

The first game Dublin were threatening to run away with it a few times but Kerry got a bit o luck and held in there.

Even being ahead that late I never felt that Kerry would win it
And I think that Diblin left it behind them by not working some of those plays to a better position late on. Kerry were spent at that point, and they had 15men.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on September 14, 2019, 08:56:41 AM
Where can you watch it online in Spain? Nowhere near an Anglos resort.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Sportacus on September 14, 2019, 09:10:22 AM
Gotta love these articles about how Dublin got outta jail etc etc.

The first game Dublin were threatening to run away with it a few times but Kerry got a bit o luck and held in there.

Even being ahead that late I never felt that Kerry would win it
And I think that Diblin left it behind them by not working some of those plays to a better position late on. Kerry were spent at that point, and they had 15men.
Which bits of luck did Kerry get?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on September 14, 2019, 09:21:06 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QyTIKn63ep4

Great insight here from Jim 😅
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Zulu on September 14, 2019, 09:30:13 AM
Gotta love these articles about how Dublin got outta jail etc etc.

The first game Dublin were threatening to run away with it a few times but Kerry got a bit o luck and held in there.


Even being ahead that late I never felt that Kerry would win it
And I think that Diblin left it behind them by not working some of those plays to a better position late on. Kerry were spent at that point, and they had 15men.

And Kerry's missed penalty, Cluxton's brilliant save to tip the shot onto the crossbar, McCarthy's save on the line and Clifford's easy misses?

Any team will struggle to hold Dublin at times but Kerry were full value for the draw and could easily have won the last day. Both teams will have regrets but I think Kerry delivered and can deliver again. I thought Kerry would win the first day and while Dublin are rightly favourites Kerry can push them all the way again. I'll go for Dublin this time but only after another cracking game and I give Kerry a great chance.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 10:39:41 AM
Gotta love these articles about how Dublin got outta jail etc etc.

The first game Dublin were threatening to run away with it a few times but Kerry got a bit o luck and held in there.


Even being ahead that late I never felt that Kerry would win it
And I think that Diblin left it behind them by not working some of those plays to a better position late on. Kerry were spent at that point, and they had 15men.

And Kerry's missed penalty, Cluxton's brilliant save to tip the shot onto the crossbar, McCarthy's save on the line and Clifford's easy misses?

Any team will struggle to hold Dublin at times but Kerry were full value for the draw and could easily have won the last day. Both teams will have regrets but I think Kerry delivered and can deliver again. I thought Kerry would win the first day and while Dublin are rightly favourites Kerry can push them all the way again. I'll go for Dublin this time but only after another cracking game and I give Kerry a great chance.

I sincerely hope you are wrong and that Dublin win and win well.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on September 14, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
Brogan definitely deserves his place. Connolly nowhere near up to pace I don’t think, Kerry boys will run rings round him.

Brogan hasn’t done anything for a few years now. Connolly a liability, probably get sent off at some stage.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2019, 11:44:59 AM
Gotta love these articles about how Dublin got outta jail etc etc.

The first game Dublin were threatening to run away with it a few times but Kerry got a bit o luck and held in there.


Even being ahead that late I never felt that Kerry would win it
And I think that Diblin left it behind them by not working some of those plays to a better position late on. Kerry were spent at that point, and they had 15men.

And Kerry's missed penalty, Cluxton's brilliant save to tip the shot onto the crossbar, McCarthy's save on the line and Clifford's easy misses?

Any team will struggle to hold Dublin at times but Kerry were full value for the draw and could easily have won the last day. Both teams will have regrets but I think Kerry delivered and can deliver again. I thought Kerry would win the first day and while Dublin are rightly favourites Kerry can push them all the way again. I'll go for Dublin this time but only after another cracking game and I give Kerry a great chance.

I sincerely hope you are wrong and that Dublin win and win well.
I'll be rooting for my adopted county also but a Kerry win won't surprise me one bit.
I suspect that the reason many Dublin players under-performed the last day could be down to the drive for five and the added mental pressure because of it.
Gavin wasn't as self-assured as normal and the controversy over Berno being left out and Dermo being brought in could be another reason for the lack of focus.
As an aside, I cannot recall any All Ireland where there seems to be so little interest among the general public.
I see a few Dub flags where I live but there isn't a single new one to be seen and very few old ones either. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2019, 12:39:48 PM
Same team for the Dubs, it will be interesting to see if he starts Cooper on Clifford again, if he does I think he is asking for trouble given that there is no Cian O'Sullivan to sweep. I'd expect him and Fitzsimmons to switch over though. Kerry can make hay against those 2 if they get a good quick supply of ball into them. Perfect day for football, let the best team win.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 14, 2019, 01:59:50 PM
Just got five lower Hogan tickets right on the 45 meter line. Will take some of  my siblings. Feel very lucky to have them. Used to follow Dublin back in the early 90's so I will be shouting for them.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 05:32:43 PM
Murchan in for MDMA
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: trileacman on September 14, 2019, 05:49:10 PM
Mick Quirke get a hair transplant did he?

Dubs to win by 5 and beat the spread. They'd already achieved this last week when it was 15v15. If it was anyone else playing the Dubs with an extra man for 50 minutes they'd be hammered for shitting the nest. f**ks sake Mayo took them to replays and pushed them to one point victories whilst playing with even numbers and got told by all asunder that they were chokers.

Rochford a pleasure to listen to, understands the game much better than any panelist there. Spillane talking that Kerry should get Jack Mc Caffrey to mark Steve O'Brien because of course Kerry get to decide who marks their forwards.  ::)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 05:54:30 PM
Murchan in for MDMA
I’m not sure this board is the place for discussing such things about players’ personal lives.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 06:06:04 PM
Odds on a small red card I wonder?

He will be at it on o’shea the whole game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on September 14, 2019, 06:08:56 PM
The Dubs looking very sharp so far.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2019, 06:20:15 PM
Lane doing Kerry absolutely no harm so far.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: armaghniac on September 14, 2019, 06:23:01 PM
Fair play to Kerry they are making a game of it. Excellent shooting on both sides.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 06:26:14 PM
Clifford is the real deal.(so is O’Callaghan who’s strength is phenomenal).
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 06:28:30 PM
“Professional “foul...
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on September 14, 2019, 06:29:32 PM
Clifford led with the elbow there. Lucky boy.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 06:30:10 PM
Clifford led with the elbow there. Lucky boy.
He absolutely did. Wasn’t even mentioned.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
Lane doing Kerry absolutely no harm so far.

Big time
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 14, 2019, 06:31:03 PM
Ref bottled it as expected
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 06:31:18 PM
Clifford led with the elbow there. Lucky boy.

I noticed that as well. Naughty
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ed Ricketts on September 14, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
Dubs getting rid a bit again. Hands into the face from both O'Shea and Clifford now.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 06:33:16 PM
Who did that foul? Was it not O’Callaghan??
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 06:33:20 PM
Black card COC.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 06:33:27 PM
Ref bottled it as expected

Bottled what
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 06:34:03 PM
Who did that foul? Was it not O’Callaghan??

It was. Umpires made the call tho
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 14, 2019, 06:34:44 PM
Nobody saying anything about McCaffrey's rugby tackle, having escaped yellow a few minutes earliest for pulling back O'Brien when he beat him to the poor ball?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 06:36:36 PM
Dubs can’t buy a free.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2019, 06:38:08 PM
Dubs getting ridden by the ref here.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 06:38:40 PM
That was a penalty.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on September 14, 2019, 06:40:29 PM
Some amount of frees not given to Dublin in the first half.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 14, 2019, 06:40:40 PM
"It's very similar to Cooper on David Clifford two weeks ago"

It was nothing f**king like it. Not looking at the ball isn't a foul ffs
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: An Watcher on September 14, 2019, 06:40:46 PM
For a foul on ocallaghan who shouldn't be on the pitch!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 14, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
Ref bottled it as expected

Bottled what

2 dub players foul the Kerry attacker through on goal and they get a "noting". You think the linesman said to the ref that was a "noting" offence or a foul
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 06:41:46 PM
"It's very similar to Cooper on David Clifford two weeks ago"

It was nothing f**king like it. Not looking at the ball isn't a foul ffs
It was a foul though.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 06:41:56 PM
Ref bottled it as expected

Bottled what

2 dub players foul the Kerry attacker through on goal and they get a "noting". You think the linesman said to the ref that was a "noting" offence or a foul

COC fouled him. He fell into fitzsimons.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 14, 2019, 06:42:00 PM
Nobody saying anything about McCaffrey's rugby tackle, having escaped yellow a few minutes earliest for pulling back O'Brien when he beat him to the poor ball?

Exactly.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: oakleafgael on September 14, 2019, 06:42:25 PM
For a foul on ocallaghan who shouldn't be on the pitch!!

People need to read the f**king rule book. He pulled him back not down to the ground. Umpires then report the wrong man
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 06:43:01 PM
For a foul on ocallaghan who shouldn't be on the pitch!!

People need to read the f**king rule book. He pulled him back not down to the ground. Umpires then report the wrong man

Someone with sense
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Main Street on September 14, 2019, 06:43:37 PM
I've never seen Ciaran Kilkenny as mobile.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 14, 2019, 06:43:47 PM
Dublin players are the equivalent to Real Madrid players. Constantly surrounding the ref at every decision
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2019, 06:44:00 PM
That was a penalty.

Definitely was.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2019, 06:44:17 PM
Would like to see the free count in that first half.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 06:44:51 PM
For a foul on ocallaghan who shouldn't be on the pitch!!

People need to read the f**king rule book. He pulled him back not down to the ground. Umpires then report the wrong man
Yip. It was a foul but not one of the black card offences.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
Stop being so sensible!
Like an exhibition game early on but Kerry have done well to come back.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 06:50:48 PM
Would like to see the free count in that first half.

Could you not have counted them yourself given your level of interest.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 06:51:28 PM
For a foul on ocallaghan who shouldn't be on the pitch!!

People need to read the f**king rule book. He pulled him back not down to the ground. Umpires then report the wrong man

Someone with sense

Exactly. No rule to yellow or black card this foul.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on September 14, 2019, 06:52:28 PM
So many people on Twitter saying Con should have been black carded. Amazing how people still don't know the rules.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 06:55:49 PM
It is the kind of thing that should be a black card though. “Professional “ foul should be in the rules although I guess who says it is deliberate.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 06:57:08 PM
It is the kind of thing that should be a black card though. “Professional “ foul should be in the rules although I guess who says it is deliberate.

He was clearly trying to get the ball tho
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
Jack Mc off
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 14, 2019, 06:57:53 PM
McCaffrey gone. Dermo on.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on September 14, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
Some start!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2019, 06:58:44 PM
Some pace, how many steps?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ed Ricketts on September 14, 2019, 06:59:31 PM
Murchan is a deadly wee player.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
Some pace, how many steps?
I thought he took a lot of steps just before he shot. Haven’t seen a replay.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 07:04:10 PM
Rock completely absent today!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 07:04:58 PM
Some pace, how many steps?
I thought he took a lot of steps just before he shot. Haven’t seen a replay.

He did. Was being fouled tho
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 07:05:53 PM
The goal and the point from Dublin both too many steps though arguably they were getting fouled. Who said Dublin had no one coming through? Murchan candidate for motm.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on September 14, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Mannion needs to chill out with the shooting
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
You don’t get extra steps for being fouled.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 07:10:13 PM
You don’t get extra steps for being fouled.

 ;D Tell that to refs though but you’re right.

What a ball by Connolly.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 14, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
You do if you're James McCartan
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 07:11:07 PM
You don’t get extra steps for being fouled.

Refs tend to give them some leniency
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 07:11:10 PM
The steps rule has been a joke for years.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 07:12:29 PM
You don’t get extra steps for being fouled.

Refs tend to give them some leniency

Rather than implement the rules you mean. Never see leniency when a man is swarmed being fouled and cant offload.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 07:15:35 PM
You don’t get extra steps for being fouled.

Refs tend to give them some leniency

Rather than implement the rules you mean. Never see leniency when a man is swarmed being fouled and cant offload.

I didn’t say it was right
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: J70 on September 14, 2019, 07:19:11 PM
This is depressing. Kerry are giving them a good game, but it still feels like a formality.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 07:20:46 PM
This is depressing. Kerry are giving them a good game, but it still feels like a formality.

Yeah looks like all over, that goal was a killer in many ways.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: J70 on September 14, 2019, 07:28:36 PM
Some awful wides from Kerry. A pair from David Moran to go with the mistake from the throw in.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on September 14, 2019, 07:30:42 PM
Moronic from Geaney there.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on September 14, 2019, 07:31:13 PM
The steps rule has been a joke for years.

Agreed but that was ripping the arse out of it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on September 14, 2019, 07:31:33 PM
Kerry’s decision making has been terrible in this half.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 07:32:27 PM
Dublin are cute dirty whores, but they get away with it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 07:33:19 PM
Cooper back to old tricks.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 07:33:50 PM
Hes a tr**p.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 07:34:20 PM
2 penalty’s there ffs. Clifford fouled and COS picked off the ground.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 07:34:46 PM
Hes a tr**p.

You spelt great player wrong
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 07:35:17 PM
Connolly  ::)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 07:36:05 PM
Hes a tr**p.

You spelt great player wrong

Your love in with Dublin knows no bounds.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: J70 on September 14, 2019, 07:36:39 PM
Congrats to Dubs, but senior championship is fucked.

There is no end in sight. Even if Kerry sneak one in the next couple of years, it’s still going to be complete Dublin domination overall.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: trileacman on September 14, 2019, 07:36:44 PM
Gavin is smokin crack if he thinks Connolly is worth a place in the 33 never mind the 26.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 07:38:13 PM
Hes a tr**p.

You spelt great player wrong

Your love in with Dublin knows no bounds.

We won’t even mention your idiocy then
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Gavin is smokin crack if he thinks Connolly is worth a place in the 33 never mind the 26.
Yip. Sentimental shite. Terrible they can afford to do it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 14, 2019, 07:39:25 PM
Congratulations to Dublin on the 5 in a row.

Best manager ever.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: trileacman on September 14, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
I f**king told yis.

Ger Canning: “a great day for Dublin and also the GAA

Aye right Ger.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2019, 07:42:29 PM
Greatest team ever now officially.

Kilkenny was MOTM. Cluxton POTY.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 07:43:14 PM
Hes a tr**p.

You spelt great player wrong

Your love in with Dublin knows no bounds.

We won’t even mention your idiocy then

From a clown like yourself, I'll lose no sleep from that post, put your Dub Jersey in a dark wash now.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 14, 2019, 07:43:39 PM
Is this the first GAA game where a team never gets a scoreable free in a game???
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: SouthDublinBro on September 14, 2019, 07:44:49 PM
Pat Spillane still can't admit it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 14, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
Greatest team ever now officially.

Kilkenny was MOTM. Cluxton POTY.

First professional GAA team, GAA is fcuked
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 14, 2019, 07:45:50 PM
Cluxton to announce he is retiring?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 07:46:10 PM
I f**king told yis.

Ger Canning: “a great day for Dublin and also the GAA

Aye right Ger.

What did ye tell us?

It is a great day for the GAA. Sure the GAA needs a strong Dublin don’t ya know.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: joemamas on September 14, 2019, 07:46:33 PM
Ger Canning made me sick with his Dublin love fest.

A put shit commentator
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 07:46:38 PM
Hes a tr**p.

You spelt great player wrong

Your love in with Dublin knows no bounds.

We won’t even mention your idiocy then

From a clown like yourself, I'll lose no sleep from that post, put your Dub Jersey in a dark wash now.

You calling someone else a clown. Absolute pillock that you are
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 07:47:04 PM
Greatest team ever now officially.

Kilkenny was MOTM. Cluxton POTY.

First professional GAA team, GAA is fcuked

Do you know what professional means?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 14, 2019, 07:49:10 PM
Without doubts the greatest team to ever play the game.I don't care how much money they have that is the best team I have ever had the pleasure to watch hats off up the DUBS.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2019, 07:50:03 PM
Motor racing, soccer now Gaelic football.
The team with the most money, greatest resources, biggest pick etc etc win all the time.
Standard professional sport.
Mind you letting a man run through your defence from the throw in certainly makes it easier. Defending like a McStay managed team...
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 07:51:27 PM
Without doubts the greatest team to ever play the game.I don't care how much money they have that is the best team I have ever had the pleasure to watch hats off up the DUBS.

Really? Crab football? Brutal to watch. No wonder the crowd were booing.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 14, 2019, 07:56:10 PM
Without doubts the greatest team to ever play the game.I don't care how much money they have that is the best team I have ever had the pleasure to watch hats off up the DUBS.

Really? Crab football? Brutal to watch. No wonder the crowd were booing.

So why should Dublin be blamed when Kerry were just funnelling back all their numbers into defence instead of trying to win the ball
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 07:57:19 PM
Enjoyed that!

Great to see the Dubs cement that money makes a difference.

Some home record as well!


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: pbat on September 14, 2019, 07:58:46 PM
Gavin didn't throw Brogan on, guess there is no love lost there at this stage.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 08:00:19 PM
Without doubts the greatest team to ever play the game.I don't care how much money they have that is the best team I have ever had the pleasure to watch hats off up the DUBS.

Really? Crab football? Brutal to watch. No wonder the crowd were booing.

So why should Dublin be blamed when Kerry were just funnelling back all their numbers into defence instead of trying to win the ball
They shouldn’t be. Kerry were behind and had 14 men inside their 45. The crowd were booing Dublin for not bringing the ball right into the middle of them. The mind boggles.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MK on September 14, 2019, 08:00:59 PM
Ger Canning made me sick with his Dublin love fest.

A put shit commentator

Ger really is hard to listen to.....he was heaping praise on Kevin Mc M for a great score when it was blatantly wide
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2019, 08:01:24 PM
Thank God for the Connacht and Ulster Championships .
At least some of us have some few weeks to look forward to on the Inter County scene.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 08:02:26 PM
Cluxton to announce he is retiring?

He didn’t announce it but I reckon he is judging by how he was going round hugging everyone
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 14, 2019, 08:08:23 PM
Cluxton to announce he is retiring?

He didn’t announce it but I reckon he is judging by how he was going round hugging everyone

Probably wasn't the time for it. It's about the team rather than him.

As good as Dublin are the sport is getting very boring to watch bar a few games a year.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 14, 2019, 08:10:57 PM
Congrats Dublin history makers! fully deserved their 6 point margin of victory. It took the 2nd half of the 2nd game for the gap between the sides to be seen but I think with 15 men for the 2nd half in the drawn game Dublin probably would have won pulling up.

Kerry much improved on last year's quarter final exit but it was far to early in their transition/rebuilding to expect them to topple that Dublin team. What will disaspoint them mostly in that replay will be the poor descision making of number of their experienced players through out the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: uimhr ocht on September 14, 2019, 08:12:03 PM
The Dubs are some outfit  scored near all from play no frees,unbelievable team congrats to them on making history.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 14, 2019, 08:17:09 PM
Firstly well done to all the Dublin players.  Super effort over the years from some truly exceptional footballers. The financial scandal that made 5IAR possible does not detract from your individual efforts.

Secondly well done to crooked Bertie Ahern who underhandedly skimmed €1M per year from the taxpayers of the country from 2005 onwards to make this day possible.

Thirdly well done to GAA HQ for bankrolling one failing city tenfold  above all other counties  You have no shame but can you at least now do the decent thing and do similar for Belfast, Limerick etc?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2019, 08:17:14 PM
Kerry can take huge credit from their performances over both games. They will improve again next year given the age profile of the side. Defensively they struggled at times today even with loads of bodies funneling back but they have the forwards to do serious damage. Geaney was immense today and both he and Clifford are a seriously potent inside forward line.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 08:18:04 PM
Thank God for the Connacht and Ulster Championships .
At least some of us have some few weeks to look forward to on the Inter County scene.

Do you think Leitrim and Sligo look forward to the Connacht Championship? Honestly?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Shamrock Shore on September 14, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Congrats to the Dubs.

Hard to see where Gaelic football is going with this dominance but I am looking forward to the O'Byrne Cup and League where we can play bad football well.

And, for the record, Ger Canning is a tool.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 08:21:35 PM
Kerry choked the first day and we all knew they blew it.

The most relieved person this week is Cooper!

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 08:22:28 PM
I honestly think football wise Kerry aren’t that far behind the dubs. Fitness and conditioning wise they are quite a bit behind though - the question is can they close that gap. Dubs play almost basketball like in possession and just wore them down.

These two are quite a bit ahead of the rest. Could be boring up until the final for a while now.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: LilySavage on September 14, 2019, 08:23:09 PM
How Canning is allowed big games is a mystery to me. Adds nothing. Happy to moan himself about games. Genuinely dont think hes a Gaelic Football fan.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2019, 08:24:14 PM
The bitterness is dripping from this thread tonight!! Talk about pissing on someone’s parade, lest a history making 5 in a row team.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2019, 08:26:16 PM
Well done Dublin. Hopefully the fcukers have lost the hunger.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 08:27:32 PM
The bitterness is dripping from this thread tonight!! Talk about pissing on someone’s parade, lest a history making 5 in a row team.

What emotion would you like?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 14, 2019, 08:28:07 PM
Kerry will know you won't win many if any finals scoring just 0-5 in a 2nd half. What happened to the Kerry defence for the games only goal, minds still in dressing room?

So as expected Dublin win another All Ireland the only suprise was that needed two games to beat a Kerry team in transition in the final. The Dubs will win it again next year and for as good as they are it must also be acknowledged that their direct competitors aren't as good as they should be.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 08:29:14 PM
The bitterness is dripping from this thread tonight!! Talk about pissing on someone’s parade, lest a history making 5 in a row team.

It’s sad isn’t it
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rudi on September 14, 2019, 08:30:50 PM
Well done to Dublin great team to watch. Ciaran Kilkenny had a great game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2019, 08:31:50 PM
Thank God for the Connacht and Ulster Championships .
At least some of us have some few weeks to look forward to on the Inter County scene.

Do you think Leitrim and Sligo look forward to the Connacht Championship? Honestly?
That's why I said "some of us" ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: currychip on September 14, 2019, 08:33:11 PM
Some chips on shoulders here.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on September 14, 2019, 08:33:19 PM
Kerry choked the first day and we all knew they blew it.

The most relieved person this week is Cooper!

Don't think Kerry choked the first day after all it was them that were hanging on for a draw and needed hawk eye and Rock to kick that free wide to get a replay.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rudi on September 14, 2019, 08:35:30 PM
Ger Canning made me sick with his Dublin love fest.

A put shit commentator

Ger really is hard to listen to.....he was heaping praise on Kevin Mc M for a great score when it was blatantly wide

He thinks 19.30 is the afternoon
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ed Ricketts on September 14, 2019, 08:37:30 PM
Kerry will know you won't win many if any finals scoring just 0-5 in a 2nd half. What happened to the Kerry defence for the games only goal, minds still in dressing room?

So as expected Dublin win another All Ireland the only suprise was that needed two games to beat a Kerry team in transition in the final. The Dubs will win it again next year and for as good as they are it must also be acknowledged that their direct competitors aren't as good as they should be.

Very difficult to pass judgement on the quality of Dublin's opponents in the last few years. They have set the bar higher than ever before and are probably the best Gaelic football team of all time. How many great football teams in GAA history would've looked shite facing this Dublin side? Quite a few I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 08:38:17 PM
Did the Kerry Boys travel up this morning?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Solo_run on September 14, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
Kerry will know you won't win many if any finals scoring just 0-5 in a 2nd half. What happened to the Kerry defence for the games only goal, minds still in dressing room?

So as expected Dublin win another All Ireland the only suprise was that needed two games to beat a Kerry team in transition in the final. The Dubs will win it again next year and for as good as they are it must also be acknowledged that their direct competitors aren't as good as they should be.

As the old saying goes you can only beat what is out in front of you.

I would say the standard gets better each year but so do Dublin. You can't get caught standing still anymore
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on September 14, 2019, 08:54:24 PM
Congrats to the Dubs.

Hard to see where Gaelic football is going with this dominance but I am looking forward to the O'Byrne Cup and League where we can play bad football well.

And, for the record, Ger Canning is a tool.
The GAH have a problem now. They can’t switch the Dubs off
and they refuse to recognise the nature of the crisis.
Anyone can make a mess. Anyone can fund one team at the expense of the rest . How to get back to equilibrium is the challenge.

“Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. “
Flannery O’Connor
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 14, 2019, 09:02:29 PM
Kerry will know you won't win many if any finals scoring just 0-5 in a 2nd half. What happened to the Kerry defence for the games only goal, minds still in dressing room?

So as expected Dublin win another All Ireland the only suprise was that needed two games to beat a Kerry team in transition in the final. The Dubs will win it again next year and for as good as they are it must also be acknowledged that their direct competitors aren't as good as they should be.

As the old saying goes you can only beat what is out in front of you.

I would say the standard gets better each year but so do Dublin. You can't get caught standing still anymore

From what I seen Dublin have consistently stayed around the same standard I couldn't say the same about their competitors.

Kerry themselves are probably a little shocked they reached the final yet they only beat Tyrone in the semi final who have dropped in standard from last year and not near the level of their All Ireland winning teams and Kerry topped a quarter final group with Donegal, Mayo two sides well off the standard of a few years ago.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 09:03:38 PM
The only way to catch the Dubs is to have the same money pumped into other counties... which pays for same facilities, coaches, backroom team, stats men, leading to million pound sponsorships... and train like crazy 7 days a week. But that entails players being looked after in terms of funding, rest, career, Etc.

I can’t see the GAA being able to fund 31 other counties to the same level as they do Dublin. Even if they funded 5 others, that’s still 26 counties at an unfair disadvantage. So, in effect, the GAA is ruined. They had to get their “strong Dublin”, and the whole ethos of the organisation and the sport is obliterated.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on September 14, 2019, 09:07:30 PM
Kerry will know you won't win many if any finals scoring just 0-5 in a 2nd half. What happened to the Kerry defence for the games only goal, minds still in dressing room?

So as expected Dublin win another All Ireland the only suprise was that needed two games to beat a Kerry team in transition in the final. The Dubs will win it again next year and for as good as they are it must also be acknowledged that their direct competitors aren't as good as they should be.

Goal should have been disallowed , Murchan took ten steps before shooting.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 09:09:59 PM
Ref wasn’t good to dubs first half but wasn’t fantastic to Kerry second half either.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on September 14, 2019, 09:11:41 PM
Kerry will know you won't win many if any finals scoring just 0-5 in a 2nd half. What happened to the Kerry defence for the games only goal, minds still in dressing room?

So as expected Dublin win another All Ireland the only suprise was that needed two games to beat a Kerry team in transition in the final. The Dubs will win it again next year and for as good as they are it must also be acknowledged that their direct competitors aren't as good as they should be.

Goal should have been disallowed , Murchan took ten steps before shooting.

Do you not know ten steps is legal if you score a goal at the end of it?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2019, 09:12:24 PM
The only way to catch the Dubs is to have the same money pumped into other counties... which pays for same facilities, coaches, backroom team, stats men, leading to million pound sponsorships... and train like crazy 7 days a week. But that entails players being looked after in terms of funding, rest, career, Etc.

I can’t see the GAA being able to fund 31 other counties to the same level as they do Dublin. Even if they funded 5 others, that’s still 26 counties at an unfair disadvantage. So, in effect, the GAA is ruined. They had to get their “strong Dublin”, and the whole ethos of the organisation and the sport is obliterated.
Either split Dublin in 4 or else fund 4 Provincial teams on the same basis as Dunlin.
Give them all jobs in the biggest town/city in the Province, free cars, meals etc.. Train like fck etc.
Ahh... but that would be professionalism say the purists...
Who will be the 2nd Leinster County to not enter the SFC?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Minder on September 14, 2019, 09:17:20 PM
Read something in the examiner the other day that facilities such as Garvaghey in Tyrone and the Kerry centre of excellence are miles ahead of anything Dublin have
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2019, 09:22:34 PM
So all Tyrone and Kerry need now is a tenfold increase in population and a load of €/£ from GAA HQ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 09:31:32 PM
The now second greatest team ever.......


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: under the bar on September 14, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
Read something in the examiner the other day that facilities such as Garvaghey in Tyrone and the Kerry centre of excellence are miles ahead of anything Dublin have

GAA HQ gave Dublin their training centre gratis.  Tyrone and Kerry had to fund their own.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 09:46:10 PM
The now second greatest team ever.......




Where is Spillane hiding in the picture?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on September 14, 2019, 09:46:43 PM
Yeehoo love it!!!
Best team ever
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: FermGael on September 14, 2019, 09:47:18 PM
Read something in the examiner the other day that facilities such as Garvaghey in Tyrone and the Kerry centre of excellence are miles ahead of anything Dublin have

Have you ever been to Garvaghy?
It's a fine set up but it's also a great spot to put a wind farm.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 09:48:58 PM
Jesus this is embarrassing. https://youtu.be/xAoC2saP9sE

Joe Brolly what do you think of that?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 09:59:33 PM
Spillane not here either?


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 10:21:27 PM
Jesus this is embarrassing. https://youtu.be/xAoC2saP9sE

Joe Brolly what do you think of that?

Joe who?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: weareros on September 14, 2019, 10:33:11 PM
The now second greatest team ever.......




Micko and his team won 8 All-Irelands. I curse the one he won against us but I will never disrespect. They were the best.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 10:36:17 PM
Haven’t heard it mentioned, does Dublin 14 dig a Kerry player just after the goal?

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 14, 2019, 10:39:48 PM
Kerry are not that far away, depending on who retires with Dublin. A few things I couldn't understand, no push up on the Dublin kick out the entire game. You can't stand 5m away from a player on a kick out and expect to to get it. When a Kerry man gets the ball the Dublin player will tackle to try disposse, Kerry the opposite.,try to shadow there player out with out putting in a tackle. The Kerry team at the back is way to light, each man outside Morley need put on 2 stone. Forwards good enough but left 4 point behind them 2nd half running into trouble when a point was enough. Dublin are a great team, and best I seen but nothing goes on forever and I expect new winners next year.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Sportacus on September 14, 2019, 11:03:47 PM
Well done Dublin.  But Kerry ballsed it up today as well.  Long ball tactics in the first ten minutes, but Tommy Walsh on the bench.  Conceded the kickouts to Dublin.  Missed a lot of chances.  They’ll be kicking themselves.  But they could win a good few All Ireland’s in the next ten years themselves.  A few lads let themselves down badly in the Hill at the end - a good few punches thrown, pretty nasty stuff.  And Jayo would sicken your hole running onto the pitch every thirty seconds.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 15, 2019, 12:33:54 AM
Well done to Dublin 5 in a row in the bag something Kerry couldn't do but can't really compare the two as different eras and Kerry 1978 to 1981 only used about 20 of the same players in all of those finals.

It was clear from the drawn game that Dublin had the most room for improvement and that's how it came to play as they scored 0-2 more and conceded 1-1 less. Kerry weren't near as good in defence this evening as they were in the first game. It was awful defending for the goal and they were only lucky they didn't concede another 2 or 3 goals. Mannion,O'Callaghan,Kilkenny excelled in the extra space given to them.

Kerry also didn't get the same influence from Moran in midfield or from their bench.  Clifford,S O'Shea and Geaney scored 0-14 of Kerry 0-15 compared to 8 different scorers for Dublin.  I foresee Dublin winning at least the next two All Ireland's after that who knows but i would expect this group of Kerry players to be first in line and waiting for a true opportunity to win back Sam.





Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on September 15, 2019, 03:03:39 AM
I see Dublin ladies are 1/10 to win today!  ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on September 15, 2019, 06:17:32 AM
The bitterness is dripping from this thread tonight!! Talk about pissing on someone’s parade, lest a history making 5 in a row team.

What emotion would you like?
A bit of respect or is that to much to ask. Keep sucking on those lemons. Maybe someday Mayo will will the big one, but a bitter fool like you won't enjoy it
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 15, 2019, 06:41:44 AM
So at the back of it all, Kerry did no better than ourselves in the '18 Final -- that they couldn't do it first day out against a badly off colour Dubs tells its own story.

Well done Dublin, a truly remarkable achievement.

Up yours Deegan! :P ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 15, 2019, 07:01:35 AM
So at the back of it all, Kerry did no better than ourselves in the '18 Final -- that they couldn't do it first day out against a badly off colour Dubs tells its own story.

Well done Dublin, a truly remarkable achievement.

Up yours Deegan! :P ;)

Eh, they took it to a replay. That’s a lot better than you done
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on September 15, 2019, 07:38:49 AM
Thanks for the kind words from many of the posters.

I thought the Dubs were great. Probably our best final performance in the 5 in a row. It’s a team loaded with character. I thought Kerry’s tactics were questionable. Kerry had far more good high fielders than us, yet there were few enough aerial battles. I thought we defended really well.

Great atmosphere in the stadium. What a day, what a night!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2019, 08:06:00 AM
So at the back of it all, Kerry did no better than ourselves in the '18 Final -- that they couldn't do it first day out against a badly off colour Dubs tells its own story.

Well done Dublin, a truly remarkable achievement.

Up yours Deegan! :P ;)

Eh, they took it to a replay. That’s a lot better than you done

 ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 15, 2019, 08:11:24 AM
Greatest team ever now officially.

Kilkenny was MOTM. Cluxton POTY.

First professional GAA team, GAA is fcuked

Do you know what professional means?

Yeah a team that is payed to play, do you know what you are a ballbag off an individual means? How did the dark wash turn out?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 15, 2019, 09:08:55 AM
Without doubts the greatest team to ever play the game.I don't care how much money they have that is the best team I have ever had the pleasure to watch hats off up the DUBS.

Agreed - wonderful team and wonderful achievement.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 15, 2019, 09:30:06 AM
Greatest team ever now officially.

Kilkenny was MOTM. Cluxton POTY.

First professional GAA team, GAA is fcuked

Do you know what professional means?

Yeah a team that is payed to play, do you know what you are a ballbag off an individual means? How did the dark wash turn out?

You clearly have no idea about anything kiddo so keep playing with your action men and leave the discussions to the grown ups there’s a good lad.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 15, 2019, 09:43:07 AM
Well thank God for that. Now I can die happy. What a privilege it is for any lover of Gaelic football to live through the era of this magnificent team. They are truly a team for the ages.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on September 15, 2019, 10:25:44 AM
Greatest team ever now officially.

Kilkenny was MOTM. Cluxton POTY.

First professional GAA team, GAA is fcuked

Do you know what professional means?

Yeah a team that is payed to play, do you know what you are a ballbag off an individual means? How did the dark wash turn out?

You clearly have no idea about anything kiddo so keep playing with your action men and leave the discussions to the grown ups there’s a good lad.

I know that you feel on this forum you have some sense of importance and probably couldn't string a debate together in person, if that floats your boat kid you go for it. Someone who repeatedly use derogatory jibs classifying themselves as a grown up is quite frankly laughable.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Itchy on September 15, 2019, 10:36:56 AM
Well done to the Dubs, I always belt they were 6 points or so ahead of Kerry coming into the final but Kerry made them work all the way, they just needed to take advantage of the Dubs being rusty and a man down the 1st day. They didnt. That gave the dubs the kick up the arse they needed for this game and I thought their body language and intensity was up a notch. But Kerry didnt melt away like a lot of the other teams they've faced.

Some might now go on about financial doping and to be fair I do agree but the blame for that is with the GAA, not the Dubs. The Dubs play with the hand they are given, if the GAA has stuck 4 aces in the hand then they should be looking at themselves.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on September 15, 2019, 11:01:07 AM
Greatest team ever now officially.

Kilkenny was MOTM. Cluxton POTY.

First professional GAA team, GAA is fcuked

Do you know what professional means?

Yeah a team that is payed to play, do you know what you are a ballbag off an individual means? How did the dark wash turn out?

You clearly have no idea about anything kiddo so keep playing with your action men and leave the discussions to the grown ups there’s a good lad.

I know that you feel on this forum you have some sense of importance and probably couldn't string a debate together in person, if that floats your boat kid you go for it. Someone who repeatedly use derogatory jibs classifying themselves as a grown up is quite frankly laughable.

You don't understand irony either do you? Repeatedly uses derogatory jibes. Do you actually read your posts?
 Maybe you think you have some sense of importance on this forum but I certainly do not. It as an Internet forum full of faceless and generally nameless people expressing opinions. Nothing more than that. Some I agree with some I don’t. A lot of yours I don’t agree with and you don’t agree with mine. That’s fair enough, that’s the way Internet forums go. And ye know what it’s all a bit of craic.
If we ever did meet in real life I most certainly could string a debate together. I also like to think we would be civil with each other. I’d certainly discuss anything with you over a drink, a juice for me tho, my days