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Title: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hereiam on August 12, 2019, 01:27:08 PM
Might as well get it up and running. Can only see a Dublin win here
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WhoDat on August 12, 2019, 01:34:13 PM
it'll be similar to the mayo match in that it'll be a competitive enough first half and then dublin will go for the jugular.  kerry might put up a bigger score than mayo because they have better forwards, but their defence won't be able to hold o'callaghan or mannion. I think fenton is better than moran and if they start mdma as well, kerry will be outgunned in the middle. can't see Dublin going into this game without a plan for clifford and o'shea as well
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
Make no mistake here, Kerry will give Dublin a right rattle here. Took them a bit of time to get going yesterday but they did and looked awsome.

Going to be great final, which i have pleasure of attending my 8th final this year( includes replay v Mayo).
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 01:42:09 PM
Make no mistake here, Kerry will give Dublin a right rattle here. Took them a bit of time to get going yesterday but they did and looked awsome.

Going to be great final, which i have pleasure of attending my 8th final this year( includes replay v Mayo).

No they won't and no it won't.  Might take my son in five years time to see Dublin's 10 in a row, ill start saving now, probably be 300 euro a ticket!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 01:43:05 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 01:45:43 PM
No way kerry will put it up to dubs. It will go something like this-close game for 35-45 minutes, dubs step it up and blow kerry defence apart. All pundits will fawn over dublin and say what s wonderful final it was.

Given the ref had to give kerry 5-6 points from non fouls yesterday to beat tyrone there is no way in hell they get those calls against the dubs.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
5 to 6 is gross exaggeration. I rewatched it and I would say 2.

On the rest I would say you are right. I would expect at some point Dublin will dominate as Tyrone did but will make it count on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2019, 01:58:03 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.

Not a canter but was fairly comfortable but that was the only one in their last 7 finals:

2011 Kerry - 1 point
2013 Mayo - 1 point
2015 Kerry - 3 points
2016 Mayo - Draw
2016 Mayo - 1 point
2017 Mayo - 1 point
2018 - Tyrone - 6 points

So an average winning margin of less than 2 points in AI finals. Anyone who thinks that the Dubs will win this match in a procession does not know football and has been sucked in by all of the hype. It will be a close contest and I think the Dubs are likely winners but they are not playing some dog and duck outfit and they have never produced their best in finals. Add in the pressure of going for 5 in a row and I would give Kerry a chance.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 02:12:51 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.

Agreed. That game was done at half time. Dubs strolled through the 2nd half and just upped the tempo after the red card to give Tyrone no hope.

If Kerry's defence struggled dealing with just McShane yesterday, how are they going to stop O'Callaghan and Mannion, never mind any of the other forwards. They were all over the place defensively and if Tyrone had pushed on towards the end of the 1st half they could have finished the game.

Dublin clearly ignored the league this year and the Mayo game was perfect test before the final in 3 weeks. All their top players are in form and no injuries to worry about. Kerry's only chance is a couple of early goals. If Dublin get a lead early it could be a long afternoon for Kerry players (many of whom will be appearing in an All Ireland final for the 1st time)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: J70 on August 12, 2019, 02:18:48 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.

Not a canter but was fairly comfortable but that was the only one in their last 7 finals:

2011 Kerry - 1 point
2013 Mayo - 1 point
2015 Kerry - 3 points
2016 Mayo - Draw
2016 Mayo - 1 point
2017 Mayo - 1 point
2018 - Tyrone - 6 points

So an average winning margin of less than 2 points in AI finals. Anyone who thinks that the Dubs will win this match in a procession does not know football and has been sucked in by all of the hype. It will be a close contest and I think the Dubs are likely winners but they are not playing some dog and duck outfit and they have never produced their best in finals. Add in the pressure of going for 5 in a row and I would give Kerry a chance.

I disagree.

I can see Kerry getting a total near 20 points, but I'll be surprised if Dublin don't end up scoring 3-20.

What was the highest scoring final to date?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2019, 02:26:21 PM
Kerry will need to win midfield and get 1 on 1s with our full back line.

Couple of selection dilemmas for Gavin:

O'Sullivan v Macauley
- Cian always plays really well against his parents' county. Looked sharp when he came on on Saturday. MDMA was his usual mix of power and unorthodoxy with that little bit of recklessness thrown in. Saw stats that said he had more possessions than any other Dub in the first half, and I did think at the time he was doing more than most to keep us in the contest at that time. We'll be weaker in the air if McCarthy starts midfield with Cian at 6, which might help give Kerry a foothold. But Cian will give a bit of added protection to the full back line and we'll have the wrecking ball as an impact sub.

Byrne v Fitzsimons v McMahon v Murchan (2 from 4)
- Most would rate Byrne 4th out of these, but formwise he's been the best this championship, and he doubled down on that on Saturday. Possibly his best game in a Dubs jersey. Fitz got a bit of a run around for a while v Carr (I was wondering for a while whether there was a deliberate policy to let them shoot rather than risk giving COC frees, but I don't think so!). Philly's a proven performer in All Ireland finals (and his chances of playing would increase if Tommy Walsh was starting), while Murchan might just be the ideal man to shackle Stephen O'Brien.   My guess is he'll stick with Byrne and Fitz, but it could be any 2.

I'd say Rory and Berno will be doing all they can over the next 2 weeks to try force themselves into the 26, but difficult to see any openings.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 02:30:39 PM
Would McCaffrey not be as well mark O'Brien then he's on the backfoot half the time?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 02:34:58 PM
Kerry will need to win midfield and get 1 on 1s with our full back line.

Couple of selection dilemmas for Gavin:

O'Sullivan v Macauley
- Cian always plays really well against his parents' county. Looked sharp when he came on on Saturday. MDMA was his usual mix of power and unorthodoxy with that little bit of recklessness thrown in. Saw stats that said he had more possessions than any other Dub in the first half, and I did think at the time he was doing more than most to keep us in the contest at that time. We'll be weaker in the air if McCarthy starts midfield with Cian at 6, which might help give Kerry a foothold. But Cian will give a bit of added protection to the full back line and we'll have the wrecking ball as an impact sub.

Byrne v Fitzsimons v McMahon v Murchan (2 from 4)
- Most would rate Byrne 4th out of these, but formwise he's been the best this championship, and he doubled down on that on Saturday. Possibly his best game in a Dubs jersey. Fitz got a bit of a run around for a while v Carr (I was wondering for a while whether there was a deliberate policy to let them shoot rather than risk giving COC frees, but I don't think so!). Philly's a proven performer in All Ireland finals (and his chances of playing would increase if Tommy Walsh was starting), while Murchan might just be the ideal man to shackle Stephen O'Brien.   My guess is he'll stick with Byrne and Fitz, but it could be any 2.

I'd say Rory and Berno will be doing all they can over the next 2 weeks to try force themselves into the 26, but difficult to see any openings.

Berno got hit with an elbow to the jaw at the end of the Tyrone game and it swelled up so much he wasn't considered for Sat. I think he would have made the bench only for that
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 12, 2019, 02:53:31 PM
Fancy Dublin to won by whatever they want IF they are motivated to do so. They got a test from Mayo (for a half at least) so won't be going in as undercooked into the final. I just don't see how Dublin aren't going to create a good scatter of clear goal chances against a defence that is more porous than Mayo's. Maybe if they are not as clinical and don't take them it might make the game relatively close for a good stretch. Dublin have a tendency to start slowly in these games before ramping it up so maybe Kerry can take advantage of that and get an early lead on them but either way I can only see one winner.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2019, 02:55:59 PM
Berno got hit with an elbow to the jaw at the end of the Tyrone game and it swelled up so much he wasn't considered for Sat. I think he would have made the bench only for that

Didnt hear that. Interesting.

Would McCaffrey not be as well mark O'Brien then he's on the backfoot half the time?
Hadn't considered that. Not sure how Jim will feel about Jack's lack of impact on Saturday, resulting from having to deal with Durcan all the time.
My guess is that Small will go on O'Brien, with Murchan replacing him after Small gets carded.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 03:15:31 PM
I was surprised how subdued McCaffrey was. He has been unmarkable all year and to me was clear favourite for POTY. I think if O'Brien was on the back foot then he would be less effective. Also if you make him defend he isn't the most disciplined so would probably get a card of some description.

Interesting assessment on Small lol but yeah he doesn't seem blessed with discipline.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 03:24:04 PM
5 to 6 is gross exaggeration. I rewatched it and I would say 2.

On the rest I would say you are right. I would expect at some point Dublin will dominate as Tyrone did but will make it count on the scoreboard.

Ah now there was 2 in the first half and 2 within the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half. Thats at least 4.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
the Geaney one start of second half and OShea one in second half. Not sure there were many more... McGeary gave away two in the same way which someone thought was harsh but they were both arm over the shoulder jobs.

Don't get me wrong I believe he did you no favours but he swung the game by a couple of points IMO and I honestly thought irrespective of him you should have won that game and really let it slip.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on August 12, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
Berno got hit with an elbow to the jaw at the end of the Tyrone game and it swelled up so much he wasn't considered for Sat. I think he would have made the bench only for that

Didnt hear that. Interesting.

Would McCaffrey not be as well mark O'Brien then he's on the backfoot half the time?
Hadn't considered that. Not sure how Jim will feel about Jack's lack of impact on Saturday, resulting from having to deal with Durcan all the time.
My guess is that Small will go on O'Brien, with Murchan replacing him after Small gets carded.

Small going for a personal 3 in a row of red cards in the All Ireland final
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on August 12, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
Kerry will need to win midfield and get 1 on 1s with our full back line.

Couple of selection dilemmas for Gavin:

O'Sullivan v Macauley
- Cian always plays really well against his parents' county. Looked sharp when he came on on Saturday. MDMA was his usual mix of power and unorthodoxy with that little bit of recklessness thrown in. Saw stats that said he had more possessions than any other Dub in the first half, and I did think at the time he was doing more than most to keep us in the contest at that time. We'll be weaker in the air if McCarthy starts midfield with Cian at 6, which might help give Kerry a foothold. But Cian will give a bit of added protection to the full back line and we'll have the wrecking ball as an impact sub.

Byrne v Fitzsimons v McMahon v Murchan (2 from 4)
- Most would rate Byrne 4th out of these, but formwise he's been the best this championship, and he doubled down on that on Saturday. Possibly his best game in a Dubs jersey. Fitz got a bit of a run around for a while v Carr (I was wondering for a while whether there was a deliberate policy to let them shoot rather than risk giving COC frees, but I don't think so!). Philly's a proven performer in All Ireland finals (and his chances of playing would increase if Tommy Walsh was starting), while Murchan might just be the ideal man to shackle Stephen O'Brien.   My guess is he'll stick with Byrne and Fitz, but it could be any 2.

I'd say Rory and Berno will be doing all they can over the next 2 weeks to try force themselves into the 26, but difficult to see any openings.

As a neutral Hound, I would keep McAuley in midfield as I think he will really trouble any of the Kerry midfielders with his physicality in the engine room and his direct running could carve open Kerry down the center of their defence.
Byrne has done excellent since coming into the team so I would give him the nod as well and Murchan could be an option off the bench quieten somebody like O'Brine if needed.
I would be tempted to start McMahon as he is a very crafty defender and he can get forward bringing his man with him at the right time.
If Brogan is fully fit I would definitely have him and Connolly on the bench to bring on for the last 15 mins when the Kerry backs are beginning to wane.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2019, 06:53:27 PM
I think that this will be a lot closer than people expect. Whatever happens now Kerry can be happy with their season, they have no pressure on them going into the final.

This match has the potential to be the highest scoring final in quite some time since both sides main strengths lie in their attacks. Despite the Dubs dominance they have never blown away any outfit in an AI final and I expect this game to be no different. There are different pressures in a final and these will be ramped up even more as they attempt to become the greatest side in the history of the game. It would be a fool who would back against the Dubs but I think it could be a close contest.

2018 at a canter.

Not a canter but was fairly comfortable but that was the only one in their last 7 finals:

2011 Kerry - 1 point
2013 Mayo - 1 point
2015 Kerry - 3 points
2016 Mayo - Draw
2016 Mayo - 1 point
2017 Mayo - 1 point
2018 - Tyrone - 6 points

So an average winning margin of less than 2 points in AI finals. Anyone who thinks that the Dubs will win this match in a procession does not know football and has been sucked in by all of the hype. It will be a close contest and I think the Dubs are likely winners but they are not playing some dog and duck outfit and they have never produced their best in finals. Add in the pressure of going for 5 in a row and I would give Kerry a chance.

We had a nice run of close All Ireland finals however this final is highly unlikely to be close. You have to be realistic kerry have never reached a final before with such a porous defence. I think we are looking at the most one sided All Ireland final since 2007 (I do hope Kerry prove me wrong)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 07:16:17 PM
I thought Byrne would have been a fall guy and maybe lacked a bit of physicality until I saw him overpower aidan oshea at one stage on Saturday.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 08:49:36 PM
I was surprised how subdued McCaffrey was. He has been unmarkable all year and to me was clear favourite for POTY. I think if O'Brien was on the back foot then he would be less effective. Also if you make him defend he isn't the most disciplined so would probably get a card of some description.

Interesting assessment on Small lol but yeah he doesn't seem blessed with discipline.

I think small is a great player. He has been I disciplined in the past but I think he now has a reputation with referees and that certainly doesn’t help him
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Gael85 on August 12, 2019, 08:56:50 PM
Berno got hit with an elbow to the jaw at the end of the Tyrone game and it swelled up so much he wasn't considered for Sat. I think he would have made the bench only for that

Didnt hear that. Interesting.

Would McCaffrey not be as well mark O'Brien then he's on the backfoot half the time?
Hadn't considered that. Not sure how Jim will feel about Jack's lack of impact on Saturday, resulting from having to deal with Durcan all the time.
My guess is that Small will go on O'Brien, with Murchan replacing him after Small gets carded.

That must have been the challenge from Niall Sludden near the end of game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 09:14:06 PM
I was surprised how subdued McCaffrey was. He has been unmarkable all year and to me was clear favourite for POTY. I think if O'Brien was on the back foot then he would be less effective. Also if you make him defend he isn't the most disciplined so would probably get a card of some description.

Interesting assessment on Small lol but yeah he doesn't seem blessed with discipline.

I think small is a great player. He has been I disciplined in the past but I think he now has a reputation with referees and that certainly doesn’t help him

Yeah if he wasn’t great I don’t think gavin would have him near the team. Him and cooper with McMahon out would be the more aggressive players.

On the match Saturday Dublin were a lot more pumped up/ aggressive than they would usually be. More in the rubbing it in after scores and winning frees etc. They don’t tend to be like that but to be fair all the teams are at it so not a massive criticism.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 09:14:48 PM
I don't know the Tyrone player, but it was ay the end of the game. It looked a cheap shot at the time.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: giveballaghback on August 12, 2019, 09:24:57 PM
What an insult to the great kingdom of Kerry with their 37 all=Irelands, +5points at even money in an all Ireland final, yerra tis quare times.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Scarlet on August 12, 2019, 09:36:14 PM
As noted already, look at the damage McShane was let do in the first half. Imagine you gave O'Callaghan and Mannion that space.
That's only two lads to mind. Then Kerry need Moran to better Fenton.
Then McCaffrey and McCarthy breaking through...
Lots of IFs when it comes to Kerry but you know what the Dubs will bring. I would love an upset but just can't see it and it feels a bit of a sales pitch to be going down the whole classic rivals route that will be throttled for the next fortnight.

Dublin only needed to put on a blitz at the weekend. Reminds me of Cork v Kilkenny in a hurling 1/4 final (I think?) years ago. Cork were on top in the first 25 mins and lads were jumping out of their skins.
Next thing KK lashed in a goal, tagged on a few points and just killed it.

They say it's the hope that kills you but in this case the lack of it from the neutrals is killing this game before it even begins.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2019, 11:09:25 PM
Like both Dublin and Kerry, As much as I like to see a team win 5 in a row in my lifetime, football needs a Kerry win.(who ever think) Though I think Dublin win by 6 or 7 but only really pulling clear round the 60min mark
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 13, 2019, 07:27:50 AM
I don't know the Tyrone player, but it was ay the end of the game. It looked a cheap shot at the time.

Who clashed with brogan? Niall Sludden. And it was accidental
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 13, 2019, 07:32:03 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: bcarrier on August 13, 2019, 09:43:16 AM
I get Hounds point about McAuley's recklessness and see him as a potential accident waiting to happen for Dublin. At some stage he is going to catch someone with one of those elbows/clothes lines and see red. That might give Kerry a chance but they need everything to go right and a lot to go wrong for the Dubs. Fenton is just different gravy and have no idea how Kerry can cope with him.

The only other glimmer I see for Kerry is that even having a good defence doesnt cut it against Dublin. So having a porous one might not make much difference and you might as well go all out attack.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2019, 11:28:16 AM
Kerry daren't fall into the trap of worrying too much about Dublin by deploying sweepers or the like. We seen what happened them in the first half against Tyrone when they deployed a sweeper to no effect and were far too laboured in their build up play. Rather trust their own footballing ability and go man to man.

Hit Dublin where they are at their weakest - in the full back line by kicking long early ball into Geaney and Clifford with Tommy Walsh available as a viable plan B off the bench. That is where Kerry can get a lot of joy. Dublin do not like long ball kicked on top of their full back line and Kerry have some excellent ball winners inside who can also take scores. None of Byrne, Cooper or Fitzsimmons are particularly good in the air and could be exposed against that Kerry forward line. The problem I see for Kerry is that middle 8 and gaining enough possession there to get a foothold in the game. I expect Dublin to really pressurise the Kerry kick out with an unproven goalkeeper.

Make no mistake though, Kerry will have absolutely no inferiority complex against Dublin and they are defending their own counties proud record of being the most successful GAA side in history. If they were to listen to some people in the media then there is no point in turning up but they will believe they are every bit as good as this Dublin side. They will throw the kitchen sink at it and I expect that this game could well be a high scoring classic.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:44:59 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 13, 2019, 11:57:53 AM
Kerry daren't fall into the trap of worrying too much about Dublin by deploying sweepers or the like. We seen what happened them in the first half against Tyrone when they deployed a sweeper to no effect and were far too laboured in their build up play. Rather trust their own footballing ability and go man to man.

Hit Dublin where they are at their weakest - in the full back line by kicking long early ball into Geaney and Clifford with Tommy Walsh available as a viable plan B off the bench. That is where Kerry can get a lot of joy. Dublin do not like long ball kicked on top of their full back line and Kerry have some excellent ball winners inside who can also take scores. None of Byrne, Cooper or Fitzsimmons are particularly good in the air and could be exposed against that Kerry forward line. The problem I see for Kerry is that middle 8 and gaining enough possession there to get a foothold in the game. I expect Dublin to really pressurise the Kerry kick out with an unproven goalkeeper.

Make no mistake though, Kerry will have absolutely no inferiority complex against Dublin and they are defending their own counties proud record of being the most successful GAA side in history. If they were to listen to some people in the media then there is no point in turning up but they will believe they are every bit as good as this Dublin side. They will throw the kitchen sink at it and I expect that this game could well be a high scoring classic.
Well, Dublin will always give chances to opposition that has an attacking gameplan. And Kerry are best equipped to take advantage of that.

I can see about 20 scores and each team should create 3-4 clearcut goal chances. I'm hoping that Dublin goals will deflate Kerry more than Kerry goals deflate Dublin. I always think the score immediately after a goal is important, kinda means it's either a 2-point goal or a 4-point goal.   

Kerry really closed Fenton down a couple of years ago in the league final. Be worried if that happened again, but Fenton is wiser and better since then.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: clarshack on August 13, 2019, 12:27:22 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.

what debacle?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 13, 2019, 12:39:10 PM
I don't know the Tyrone player, but it was ay the end of the game. It looked a cheap shot at the time.

Who clashed with brogan? Niall Sludden. And it was accidental

Sludden wouldn't cause any damage to Brogan even with a dirty dig. Probably a solid 3 stone between the two.

Anyway, on to the final.

Dublin to win, but hopefully Kerry score a few early goals - who knows. If Kerry defend how they did v Tyrone in first half it'll be over by HT though. Hard to make any kind of argument for Kerry to be honest, they have the ability to score goals v Dublin that would be what I would cling to but hard to not see Dublin winning this one pulling up.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 01:07:00 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.

What are you on about you eejit? That game was closer than most games involving Dublin.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on August 13, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Dublin 1/5 Kerry 9/2, roughly the same odds as the Mayo game
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2019, 06:12:49 PM
A lot of talk from Kerry media pundits in the last day or two about David Gough's refereeing being biased towards the Dubs. He looked a shoe in to get the final given that he has yet to referee one but it will be interesting to see if he gets it now. If he does he will be under a lot of scrutiny.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 13, 2019, 10:39:21 PM
What's everyone's thinking on how they hope it'll go? Personally I hope Dublin win, (not for the same reasons as most others do i.e. to hope they win 10 in a row so the GAA wake up.) but to read the Kerry people views afterwards. I'm sure they'll pull every trick available to try and stop Dublin from doing it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2019, 07:57:41 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.

What are you on about you eejit? That game was closer than most games involving Dublin.

It was Dublin’s largest winning margin in a final of the 6 they have won recently
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 14, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
What's everyone's thinking on how they hope it'll go? Personally I hope Dublin win, (not for the same reasons as most others do i.e. to hope they win 10 in a row so the GAA wake up.) but to read the Kerry people views afterwards. I'm sure they'll pull every trick available to try and stop Dublin from doing it.

The optics are important

The pundits will be focusing on the contest  and Dublin v Kerry.
Sponsors and advertisers will be hoping that the game is close so people don’t
turn off.

Kerry really want to stop 5 in a row but it may be beyond them.

The reaction of the Kerry media mafia is important. Do they accept the challenge for next year or do they agree that the system is broken and that the GAA broke it?

This depends on how the Dubs act. 5 minutes of handpassing piggy in the middle halfway through the second half against Kerry might be an insult too far.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on August 14, 2019, 10:56:18 AM
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 14, 2019, 12:04:33 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0812/1068421-dublin-kerry-is-the-final-football-needs/

Such a load o crap

Well it didn't need that debacle last year.

what debacle?

“There was a passage of play on Sunday, just after Jack McCaffrey put Dublin 1-5 to 0-6 ahead about 10 minutes short of half-time. Tyrone got the kick-out away – quickly, as they had to – and Conor Meyler played a ball up to Peter Harte on the Dublin 45. Harte collected it at the right-wing forward position with Jonny Cooper shadowing him. Cian O’Sullivan was in the area but his hamstring had gone by this stage so he wasn’t moving freely; so not only was he not threat to Harte but he was no use as a sweeper either.

as Harte collected the ball, Connor McAliskey was one-on-one with Philly McMahon standing on the 20-metre line dead straight in front of the Dublin goal. The only other person inside the Dublin 45 was Cluxton. McCaffrey was still getting back after his point and for once, Dublin were open.
You could tell that Harte knew this. Tyrone had been under the cosh for the previous seven or eight minutes but this was their chance to turn the game back in their favour. Harte is a smart player – one of the real leaders in the Tyrone team – and you could see he recognised the moment. If he could come up with the right ball into McAliskey and if he could deliver it quickly, there was a goal on.

But in his rush to get the ball in, he made a mess of it. He tried to play a bullet ball in with the outside of his boot but got a bad connection and screwed it off out to the side. From a starting point in front of the goals, McAliskey had to sprint after it and ended up sliding like a soccer player trying to put it out for a sideline about four yards from the corner flag. He didn’t manage it and, as Cluxton was lining up to take the kick-out, O’Sullivan went off injured. That small window of weakness in the Dublin defence was slammed shut.

Harte was able to do the basics under pressure – make the smart run, draw the defenders to make the space, realise that the big moment in the game was on. But when it came down to it, he didn’t execute.
Against the Dubs, you don’t get a second go at that. From the kick-out, Cooper went down on a breaking ball, took a push in the back from a helpful Tyrone player, got to his feet and played a quick free as the three Tyrone lads around him switched off and next thing you know, Dublin had their second goal.”

Then the Dubs played piggy in the middle . They controlled the outcome from then on. Tyrone had no chance.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 14, 2019, 12:16:03 PM
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!

It is no coincidence that the game has veered back towards a much better defence/attack balance since the Dubs have hoovered up All Irelands. Around about the time that Donegal won an AI in 2012 and for a period after that, coaches across the country were trying to ape the Jimmy McGuinness template both at club, county and schools level. The Dubs have helped reverse that trend.

Coaching and management trends tend to ape the tactics of successful county teams and for that reason Dublin have helped to improve the spectacle across the country even though the extreme negative tactics have not completely disappeared.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 14, 2019, 12:20:16 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on August 14, 2019, 12:26:21 PM
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!

It is no coincidence that the game has veered back towards a much better defence/attack balance since the Dubs have hoovered up All Irelands. Around about the time that Donegal won an AI in 2012 and for a period after that, coaches across the country were trying to ape the Jimmy McGuinness template both at club, county and schools level. The Dubs have helped reverse that trend.

Coaching and management trends tend to ape the tactics of successful county teams and for that reason Dublin have helped to improve the spectacle across the country even though the extreme negative tactics have not completely disappeared.

Very true and it is great to see but in fairness to McGuinness, Donegal played great football in 2012 and especially against us in the final to win Sam.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 12:38:13 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: greatpoint on August 14, 2019, 12:39:42 PM
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!

It is no coincidence that the game has veered back towards a much better defence/attack balance since the Dubs have hoovered up All Irelands. Around about the time that Donegal won an AI in 2012 and for a period after that, coaches across the country were trying to ape the Jimmy McGuinness template both at club, county and schools level. The Dubs have helped reverse that trend.

Coaching and management trends tend to ape the tactics of successful county teams and for that reason Dublin have helped to improve the spectacle across the country even though the extreme negative tactics have not completely disappeared.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. In 2014 Gavin was made realise that Dublin had to put some sort of defensive system in place to prevent what Donegal did to them from happening again. They have been clearly very willing to drop players back when needed since then and it's more of a hybrid system that they've helped propagate, rather than just reverse any trend.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 12:56:27 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on August 14, 2019, 01:05:36 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Where are the schoolchildren?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: larryin89 on August 14, 2019, 01:07:25 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Where are the schoolchildren?

It's still ridiculous either way . You can't have a ref pictured like this and then given an all Ireland final involving the county , no way , that's just not right
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 14, 2019, 01:24:06 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.
 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on August 14, 2019, 01:38:25 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.
Molloy based lot of it on poor David Gough deserves the gig. Optics are important but never when Dubs are involved in GAA.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 14, 2019, 01:43:43 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.

Hound, iv warned you about this before , stop speaking logic and commin sense, lads on this forum cant compute it.

However, you are right, Dublin wont be able to buy a free in the final now.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 14, 2019, 01:45:49 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Are you seriously questioning his integrity???

David Gough could stand on O'Connell Street all day and no one would recognise him. If he was in his home town/club in Slane everyone would recognise him and ask about the game. Far less stressful build up to the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 14, 2019, 01:48:20 PM
I suppose it makes a change to have the Kerry media campaign in full cry instead of Dublin as it was for the last few years. ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 14, 2019, 02:06:42 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.

Hound, iv warned you about this before , stop speaking logic and commin sense, lads on this forum cant compute it.

However, you are right, Dublin wont be able to buy a free in the final now.
I'd say Gough is very recognisable in Dublin
Would be best known referee in the country
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on August 14, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
If I was an inter county referee living in Dublin would I pose with Dublin player(s) holding Sam Maguire at my place of work? No.

Pity it will tarnish the 5 in a row, even if Dubs win by 5/6 points. Gavin must be fuming.

"Bleedin jokeshop!"
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 14, 2019, 02:25:14 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.

Hound, iv warned you about this before , stop speaking logic and commin sense, lads on this forum cant compute it.

However, you are right, Dublin wont be able to buy a free in the final now.
I'd say Gough is very recognisable in Dublin
Would be best known referee in the country
Have you been to Dublin?

Con O'Callaghan could walk from Henry Street to Stephen's Green at midday on a busy Saturday and not get recognised!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 14, 2019, 02:56:51 PM
Joe Molloy on Newstalk OTB debunked all the Gough myths yesterday evening. Available on podcast for anyone interested in facts over myths.

The Kerry ex-players are out in force railing against him. I doubt they actually want to replace him, just put that pressure on him not to be seen to be favouring the Dubs, so that 50/50s are more likely to go Kerry.

Chap would have grown up hating Dublin in all likelihood, but now he's an adult and experienced ref, you've got to assume he'll have no bias, deliberate or accidental, and trust him to get on with the job to the best of his ability.

Hound, iv warned you about this before , stop speaking logic and commin sense, lads on this forum cant compute it.

However, you are right, Dublin wont be able to buy a free in the final now.
I'd say Gough is very recognisable in Dublin
Would be best known referee in the country
Have you been to Dublin?

Con O'Callaghan could walk from Henry Street to Stephen's Green at midday on a busy Saturday and not get recognised!

All the non-dubs living outside Dublin obviously think walking down the main street in their town/village is the same as walking around Dublin. It's really not. Kerry yerraing reaching new lows
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 03:03:01 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Where are the schoolchildren?

are you serious?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 03:06:17 PM
The one thing you are all missing is you are questioning the integrity of possibly the best GAA ref in Ireland, you need to catch a grip. I have worked in a village in North Antrim, never ever would I have thought of swaying towards them when i was refereeing them. In fact I caused a shit storm because I went the opposite way.
David Gough has been round the block,  he is more than capable of handling any questioning or scrutiny, i have absolutely no qualms about him refereeing Dublin
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Sportacus on August 14, 2019, 03:47:41 PM
But if the ref worked in Killarney would there be eyebrows raised?  I would say you bet.  The issue for me is the broad point that the GAA should be aware of how this could be portrayed and avoid it.  Gough could have got his chance in years to come.  It’s unfair on him to put him under this scrutiny and it was easily avoided.  Unfortunately under the current leadership the GAA seem to be lacking in PR savvy on various occasions.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 04:03:37 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 14, 2019, 04:09:45 PM
But if the ref worked in Killarney would there be eyebrows raised?  I would say you bet.  The issue for me is the broad point that the GAA should be aware of how this could be portrayed and avoid it.  Gough could have got his chance in years to come.  It’s unfair on him to put him under this scrutiny and it was easily avoided.  Unfortunately under the current leadership the GAA seem to be lacking in PR savvy on various occasions.

How will he with Dublin to be in every final from here to eternity! Oh wait - i'm on the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 04:48:03 PM
Gough and familiy confirmed as the officiating team for the final. Best of luck to him.

Heres David Gough celebrating with Sam 2015 at St Judes club in Dublin .Thats Kevin McManamons club




Actually its not, its David Gough in his place of work ( a primary school), at which the Sam Maguire was presented to the schoolchildren, as its done in every county every year they win Sam. This is typical shit stirring
Where are the schoolchildren?

are you serious?

Gough did not referee any Dublin games in 2015. But you'd have to wonder how he would feel about such a photo opportunity should Dublin win this year?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 14, 2019, 04:52:45 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 04:58:25 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 05:03:26 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Sometimes I despair
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on August 14, 2019, 05:18:52 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Sometimes I despair
Despair away...swoosh!!

Is Gough able to walk down to Templeogue for a coffee unrecognised? At this rate of appointment Jimmy Turner will be reffing the 6 in a row final.  :)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 06:10:37 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: larryin89 on August 14, 2019, 06:14:36 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


O gara scores a point ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on August 14, 2019, 07:23:36 PM
No issue with Gough, only thing I will say is he tries his best to let the game flow.

I’d say the Kerry byes are more afraid of this than anything as Dublin are miles ahead of Kerry physically.

FTB, Gough was only starting out in 2015 so posting that picture and making phantom allegations is wrong. Shur no one knew Dublin would be winning as much now back then  :)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 14, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


Why do you even post here any more? Normally its a rant on any thread that you somehow make about Dublin and/or money Dubs receive from Croke Park.

Now you've decided to attack the integrity of the referee. What's your problem. I can only assume you were attempting to reference Kev Mac's tackle at the end. If you had listened to OTB last night or even done another google search after you found that video about Gough after the game you would have found out that he apologised after the game. His line of sight to Kevin Mac was blocked by another Dublin player so he wasn't able to see it at the time. All he could do was admit he'd have given a free if he had seen it  real time. What else is he supposed to do?

But when have you ever let facts get in the way of your bitter rants??
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: highorlow on August 14, 2019, 07:51:58 PM
It was a fair shoulder in anyways.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 08:08:09 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


Why do you even post here any more? Normally its a rant on any thread that you somehow make about Dublin and/or money Dubs receive from Croke Park.

Now you've decided to attack the integrity of the referee. What's your problem. I can only assume you were attempting to reference Kev Mac's tackle at the end. If you had listened to OTB last night or even done another google search after you found that video about Gough after the game you would have found out that he apologised after the game. His line of sight to Kevin Mac was blocked by another Dublin player so he wasn't able to see it at the time. All he could do was admit he'd have given a free if he had seen it  real time. What else is he supposed to do?

But when have you ever let facts get in the way of your bitter rants??

The problem is that a Dublin player (from St. Judes who Gough was involved with) gets a very beneficial call at an important juncture in the game. He probably did not see the incident, but you can see the optics are not great.

 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2019, 08:47:34 PM
Gough lives/works in Dublin. It is his home! There is no question he's a good referee and will do his best on the day. But he is a human being not a robot. He has a connection. Decisions he makes on the big day could have a bearing on his every day life.

Anyone remember this?

Go to 17:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=w7Ygns_Grv4)


Why do you even post here any more? Normally its a rant on any thread that you somehow make about Dublin and/or money Dubs receive from Croke Park.

Now you've decided to attack the integrity of the referee. What's your problem. I can only assume you were attempting to reference Kev Mac's tackle at the end. If you had listened to OTB last night or even done another google search after you found that video about Gough after the game you would have found out that he apologised after the game. His line of sight to Kevin Mac was blocked by another Dublin player so he wasn't able to see it at the time. All he could do was admit he'd have given a free if he had seen it  real time. What else is he supposed to do?

But when have you ever let facts get in the way of your bitter rants??

The problem is that a Dublin player (from St. Judes who Gough was involved with) gets a very beneficial call at an important juncture in the game. He probably did not see the incident, but you can see the optics are not great.

The optics are fine. You’re trying to make something out of nothing
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 08:48:44 PM
Gough has refereed Tyrone a good few times now over the past few years - he's the best ref about - he's got a few decisions wrong against us, the Peter Harte black card this year against Donegal being the obvious one but we've probably had the benefit of a few too. He did the All Ireland final against Dublin last year, again no complaints.

People go on about the links with Dublin but if we were in the All Ireland final with them next week he's the guy I'd want in the middle.

I do think he is getting a little fondness for making big calls though and needs to make sure that he is absolutely certain in his decision before he makes it.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Gael85 on August 14, 2019, 08:52:15 PM
Gough has refereed Tyrone a good few times now over the past few years - he's the best ref about - he's got a few decisions wrong against us, the Peter Harte black card this year against Donegal being the obvious one but we've probably had the benefit of a few too. He did the All Ireland final against Dublin last year, again no complaints.

People go on about the links with Dublin but if we were in the All Ireland final with them next week he's the guy I'd want in the middle.

I do think he is getting a little fondness for making big calls though and needs to make sure that he is absolutely certain in his decision before he makes it.

Conor Lane done final last year. This is Gough first final.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on August 14, 2019, 09:02:46 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Absolute rubbish. A pile of shite to be more accurate.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 09:07:17 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Absolute rubbish. A pile of shite to be more accurate.

Obiviously Antrim prob not included since they are that pile of shite or absolutely rubbish if you prefer.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 14, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Nothing new on this board.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 09:10:30 PM
Gough has refereed Tyrone a good few times now over the past few years - he's the best ref about - he's got a few decisions wrong against us, the Peter Harte black card this year against Donegal being the obvious one but we've probably had the benefit of a few too. He did the All Ireland final against Dublin last year, again no complaints.

People go on about the links with Dublin but if we were in the All Ireland final with them next week he's the guy I'd want in the middle.

I do think he is getting a little fondness for making big calls though and needs to make sure that he is absolutely certain in his decision before he makes it.

Conor Lane done final last year. This is Gough first final.

Oh right :D

Fair enough so but I think Gough is a good ref and I wouldn't have an issue with him taking the game had we won on Sunday.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: larryin89 on August 14, 2019, 09:33:27 PM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ? 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

I think Fitzmaurice was way out of order with his comments and he knows full well what he was at.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 14, 2019, 10:00:33 PM
It used to be a ref from either province not involved, why did they do away with that? I do think Gough working (also living?) in Dublin is a issue. Hardly impartial or open to influence.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2019, 10:35:48 PM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Main Street on August 14, 2019, 10:43:38 PM
Far too much uninformed crap is thrown at GAA refs, Fitzmaurice's intervention against the selection of Gough was cheap and undignified, cute hoorism scraping the barrell.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: gallsman on August 14, 2019, 11:02:08 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Absolute rubbish. A pile of shite to be more accurate.

Obiviously Antrim prob not included since they are that pile of shite or absolutely rubbish if you prefer.

Well that makes no sense and is completely irrelevant to the discussion so that's...actually about par for the course for your posts.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 11:52:20 PM
I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

Yeah I and most other teams around the country am envious of your confidence that it wont be because you had a dodgy calls agin ye

Gough loves/fears Dublin. Whether its in the workplace, at the club, walking around, or keeping his pecking order as a ref, making sure that he is keeping the Dubs are happy is key

Absolute rubbish. A pile of shite to be more accurate.

Obiviously Antrim prob not included since they are that pile of shite or absolutely rubbish if you prefer.

Well that makes no sense and is completely irrelevant to the discussion so that's...actually about par for the course for your posts.

No its not, Antrim play in the intercounty competition don't they? They just usually get favours to keep things respectable as the refs takes pity.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 15, 2019, 08:00:57 AM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.

I thought after your St Jude’s “revelation” you’d be keeping your head down for a while.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: David McKeown on August 15, 2019, 09:12:26 AM
I feel sorry for Gough in all this because he’s a fine referee. As I suggested after the Mayo v Donegal game though why does the GAA put him in this position if anything controversial happens in the game the allegations will flow which will be incredibly unfair. Interestingly the legal test for bias is not was a decision maker biased its could an impartial observer aware of all the facts rule out the possibility for bias. In other words the perception of potential bias is more important than actual bias. So whilst he’s the best referee in the country and therefore should get the All Ireland final it may have been fairer for him not to get it and I’m not questioning his integrity there at all.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on August 15, 2019, 09:35:40 AM
Totally disagree that he is a good referee. Like the vast majority of the top referees Gough will believe that the day revolves around him and that the players are bit part players supporting his central role.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 15, 2019, 09:52:31 AM
A planned protest in Killarney on Saturday.

This is great   :D ;D

They are rattled down in Kerry and they have become an embarrassment to themselves and to the country. They are terrified that 1. they will get a hiding


People are asking why no objection to the ref from Dublin fans, its quite simple, we are not bothered by who refs it. The football does the talking.




Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 15, 2019, 10:43:36 AM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.

I thought after your St Jude’s “revelation” you’d be keeping your head down for a while.

Strange how Dublin supporters have got behind Gough? I mean what do they care?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: playwiththewind1st on August 15, 2019, 10:53:35 AM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.

They probably still have a lot of time for John Gough.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: shark on August 15, 2019, 11:26:30 AM
Totally disagree that he is a good referee. Like the vast majority of the top referees Gough will believe that the day revolves around him and that the players are bit part players supporting his central role.

I once played in a game that he reffed. In my opinion he was excellent. He communicated with the players throughout and we knew exactly where we stood with him. He seemed to know every player's first name, even though we were a club team from a different county. We lost the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 15, 2019, 11:54:58 AM
As I said previously, I don't think Kerry actually want him changed, instead just create enough of a hullabaloo so that he can't avoid it, and they're hoping that it means he'll be  more likely to favour Kerry in 50/50s, so avoid an chance of being regarded as biased.

You still have to trust that he's above it, but at this stage I'd would not be sorry if he stood down. Although the chap's been through quite the journey to get here, so you can only wish him the best and hope he makes all the correct calls.
 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: dublin7 on August 15, 2019, 11:58:06 AM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

The poor guy is having his reputation and integrity smeared by vicious rumours and outright lies all over social media and messageboards like this.

It's not just dubs defending him by the way.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2019, 12:55:16 PM
It was all designed to put maximum pressure on David Gough since they would have known that he was very likely to get the final.

In professional sport such as PL soccer, I think managers are banned from talking about referees critically before and after matches, otherwise they will sanction. Obviously Kerry were cute enough that it was ex players that voiced their concerns so there are ways around this. It was the same when the Dublin media ganged up on Lee Keegan prior to an AI final a few years back. Now Gough goes into the AI final under incredible scrutiny which is very unfair. Why would a referee deliberately want to favour one side over another in a match that the country will be watching at the expense of his own performance. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise, bad decisions can and most likely will be made but I don't believe for one second that his integrity can be called into question.

 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: rrhf on August 15, 2019, 12:58:47 PM
Kerry enjoy cute smear tactics yet again. Pain in the arse winning or losing. The pathetic whispering after the semi final on water bottles, absolute horseshit, the lobby is well and truly up and going. They need weak refs that keep them in the game until they find their feet a la last Sunday. I hope the dubs bate them by 20 to eliminate any doubt about the ref.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 15, 2019, 02:20:15 PM
Is it not a tad peculiar that every single dub is jumping to the defence of choice of ref , everywhere , social media , forums and on the street .Is that just reactionary to kerrys objection ?

Yeah, why should the Dubs feel any allegiance or sympathy to Gough? Strange.

I thought after your St Jude’s “revelation” you’d be keeping your head down for a while.

Strange how Dublin supporters have got behind Gough? I mean what do they care?

We don’t care. I don’t remember any time when Dublin supporters subjected a referee to sly personal innuendo in advance of a game. We much prefer to let the football do the talking.

What puzzles me is why such frenzied concern from a couple of Mayo supporters on this board as to who will ref the All Ireland final. I would have thought that the state of Mayo football would have been their all-consuming concern.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WT4E on August 15, 2019, 03:02:26 PM
I didnt think there was any way I would support Dublin in the final but I am now willing them on to give Kerry a tight hammering due to:

- Bottle Lies
- Darragh O'Se article
- David Gough nonsense

Good luck you boys in blue
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 03:04:12 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 15, 2019, 03:20:47 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: blanketattack on August 15, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
Kerry enjoy cute smear tactics yet again. Pain in the arse winning or losing. The pathetic whispering after the semi final on water bottles, absolute horseshit, the lobby is well and truly up and going. They need weak refs that keep them in the game until they find their feet a la last Sunday. I hope the dubs bate them by 20 to eliminate any doubt about the ref.

Not sure if the margin will stop excuses - the Dubs are still blaming Aldridge for losing in 1978 even though they lost by 17 points! And they were still making death threats to him, sending him bullets in the post and phone calls at all hours of the night for 10 years. When the shoe is on the other foot, the Dubs aren't so apathetic about the ref.

I see a few people blaming the Kerry meeja for spreading bottlegate, but that rumour originated in Monaghan - maybe it's something someone in Monaghan tried themself without success!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 15, 2019, 03:57:04 PM
I didnt think there was any way I would support Dublin in the final but I am now willing them on to give Kerry a tight hammering due to:

- Bottle Lies
- Darragh O'Se article
- David Gough nonsense

Good luck you boys in blue

I'm hoping Dublin win for a couple of reasons:

Firstly To rub it up the Kerry ones about the 5 in a row

Also so that this farcical situation with Dublin can run its course and that the elephant in the room has to be dealt with
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on August 15, 2019, 04:04:14 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

I recall plenty of complaints from the Dubs about the ref for the 2017 NFL final v Kerry.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 15, 2019, 04:18:42 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 15, 2019, 04:41:06 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Dinny, how about you learn to read  - see above. Football didn't start in 2011.

I've been going to Croker since 1981 (for the Offaly hurlers) and to Dublin games since 1983, though I didn't get to the final for the 12 Apostles.
In that time, some of the games that I've been at that stand out are -

All 4 in 91 against Meath

Being beaten by Donegal in 92 AIF

Being beaten by Derry in 93 SF

Wasn't at the Down final in 94, watched it at home

Being beaten by Meath in 96 (Bealo's missed peno)

Again by Meath in 99 (Ollie Murphy went to town on us)

By Kildare in two games in 2000

By Meath in Leinster and Kerry after a replay in Thurles (Maurice Fitz)

By Armagh by a point in AISF in 02 (Cossie hit the post)

By Laois in 03, followed by Cluxton getting himself sent off against Armagh

By Westmeath in 04, followed by Kerry getting medieval on us in the AIQF

By Tyrone in AIQF 05 after a replay

By Mayo (Ciaran Mac) after leading by six with 20 to go in the AISF 06

By Kerry in AISF 07

By Tyrone in the pouring rain in AIQF 08

By Kerry (startled earwigs) in AIQF 09

I was at them all and more. So excuse me if my memories of supporting Dublin, in the main was of disappointment for the guts of 26 years (barring the wins in 83 and 95). Now you may say that you have had more disappointment than me, and I would say quantitatively that is correct.

But I would also point out that experience is subjective, and given that I was from a county where there was a huge amount of expectation on them to be All Ireland winners, both from within and outside the county, that the sense of failure and underachievement was especially keen and embarrassing. Anyone who was supporting Dublin during those years won't forget it soon anyway.

Or I could just concede defeat and acknowledge that I just can't do self pity like some of the contributors to this board, and I should just leave it to the experts...

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 15, 2019, 04:42:51 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Is it not amazing how little space on this thread is being used to discuss the the actual match?

The possibility of Dublin actually winning five in a row is driving the usual suspects here demented. You lads should really seek help.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 15, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

A great achievement by Dublin while being underfunded (per head)with development money and nowhere near top spenders on our senior teams (Dual total amount).

Well done Dublin
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 15, 2019, 04:50:17 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Is it not amazing how little space on this thread is being used to discuss the the actual match?

The possibility of Dublin actually winning five in a row is driving the usual suspects here demented. You lads should really seek help.

Do you think there is a match to be discussed? I mean Dublin are 1/5.

I really hope ye do it and do it with style. The last thing the game needs is for Kerry to fluke a win.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 15, 2019, 05:00:44 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Is it not amazing how little space on this thread is being used to discuss the the actual match?

The possibility of Dublin actually winning five in a row is driving the usual suspects here demented. You lads should really seek help.

Do you think there is a match to be discussed? I mean Dublin are 1/5.

I really hope ye do it and do it with style. The last thing the game needs is for Kerry to fluke a win.

Your good wishes are appreciated  ;)
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 09:01:08 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Dinny, how about you learn to read  - see above. Football didn't start in 2011.

I've been going to Croker since 1981 (for the Offaly hurlers) and to Dublin games since 1983, though I didn't get to the final for the 12 Apostles.
In that time, some of the games that I've been at that stand out are -

All 4 in 91 against Meath

Being beaten by Donegal in 92 AIF

Being beaten by Derry in 93 SF

Wasn't at the Down final in 94, watched it at home

Being beaten by Meath in 96 (Bealo's missed peno)

Again by Meath in 99 (Ollie Murphy went to town on us)

By Kildare in two games in 2000

By Meath in Leinster and Kerry after a replay in Thurles (Maurice Fitz)

By Armagh by a point in AISF in 02 (Cossie hit the post)

By Laois in 03, followed by Cluxton getting himself sent off against Armagh

By Westmeath in 04, followed by Kerry getting medieval on us in the AIQF

By Tyrone in AIQF 05 after a replay

By Mayo (Ciaran Mac) after leading by six with 20 to go in the AISF 06

By Kerry in AISF 07

By Tyrone in the pouring rain in AIQF 08

By Kerry (startled earwigs) in AIQF 09

I was at them all and more. So excuse me if my memories of supporting Dublin, in the main was of disappointment for the guts of 26 years (barring the wins in 83 and 95). Now you may say that you have had more disappointment than me, and I would say quantitatively that is correct.

But I would also point out that experience is subjective, and given that I was from a county where there was a huge amount of expectation on them to be All Ireland winners, both from within and outside the county, that the sense of failure and underachievement was especially keen and embarrassing. Anyone who was supporting Dublin during those years won't forget it soon anyway.

Or I could just concede defeat and acknowledge that I just can't do self pity like some of the contributors to this board, and I should just leave it to the experts...

Boo hoo, tiger. Are we meant to feel sorry for ye?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: easytiger95 on August 15, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Dinny, how about you learn to read  - see above. Football didn't start in 2011.

I've been going to Croker since 1981 (for the Offaly hurlers) and to Dublin games since 1983, though I didn't get to the final for the 12 Apostles.
In that time, some of the games that I've been at that stand out are -

All 4 in 91 against Meath

Being beaten by Donegal in 92 AIF

Being beaten by Derry in 93 SF

Wasn't at the Down final in 94, watched it at home

Being beaten by Meath in 96 (Bealo's missed peno)

Again by Meath in 99 (Ollie Murphy went to town on us)

By Kildare in two games in 2000

By Meath in Leinster and Kerry after a replay in Thurles (Maurice Fitz)

By Armagh by a point in AISF in 02 (Cossie hit the post)

By Laois in 03, followed by Cluxton getting himself sent off against Armagh

By Westmeath in 04, followed by Kerry getting medieval on us in the AIQF

By Tyrone in AIQF 05 after a replay

By Mayo (Ciaran Mac) after leading by six with 20 to go in the AISF 06

By Kerry in AISF 07

By Tyrone in the pouring rain in AIQF 08

By Kerry (startled earwigs) in AIQF 09

I was at them all and more. So excuse me if my memories of supporting Dublin, in the main was of disappointment for the guts of 26 years (barring the wins in 83 and 95). Now you may say that you have had more disappointment than me, and I would say quantitatively that is correct.

But I would also point out that experience is subjective, and given that I was from a county where there was a huge amount of expectation on them to be All Ireland winners, both from within and outside the county, that the sense of failure and underachievement was especially keen and embarrassing. Anyone who was supporting Dublin during those years won't forget it soon anyway.

Or I could just concede defeat and acknowledge that I just can't do self pity like some of the contributors to this board, and I should just leave it to the experts...

Boo hoo, tiger. Are we meant to feel sorry for ye?
Not at all. Just stop feeling sorry for yourselves 😁
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Estimator on August 15, 2019, 09:21:34 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on August 15, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

Course he is..... after deliberating running into a defender and taking him out of the game.

No fan of the black card but soft application of the rules even with the benefit of video evidence and hindsight is par for the course for Kerry..... and Dublin.

...and lets not forget he's a good fella and doesnt deserve to miss an AIF over a black card

Anyway fair play to him.... hopefully he manages to get the antifreeze flushed out of his system before next Sunday
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 15, 2019, 09:35:18 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

Correct decision and done swiftly too.

GAA acting decisively and sensibly this week for a change!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
Funny how Dublin fans don’t complain about the ref, as they know they’re likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you’d have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

Is this comedy?

6 Senior Football All-Irelands
5 u21 All-Irelands
1 Minor All-Ireland
1 Junior All-Ireland
5 National Leagues
Just the 15 Leinster Senior Championships
11 u21 Leinster Titles
5 Minor Leinster Titles
1 National League Hurling
1 Senior Leinster Hurling
4 u21 Leinster Hurling
6 Minor Leinster Hurling Titles

Yea real f**king dark times.....just the 61 provincial and national titles.....

Dinny, how about you learn to read  - see above. Football didn't start in 2011.

I've been going to Croker since 1981 (for the Offaly hurlers) and to Dublin games since 1983, though I didn't get to the final for the 12 Apostles.
In that time, some of the games that I've been at that stand out are -

All 4 in 91 against Meath

Being beaten by Donegal in 92 AIF

Being beaten by Derry in 93 SF

Wasn't at the Down final in 94, watched it at home

Being beaten by Meath in 96 (Bealo's missed peno)

Again by Meath in 99 (Ollie Murphy went to town on us)

By Kildare in two games in 2000

By Meath in Leinster and Kerry after a replay in Thurles (Maurice Fitz)

By Armagh by a point in AISF in 02 (Cossie hit the post)

By Laois in 03, followed by Cluxton getting himself sent off against Armagh

By Westmeath in 04, followed by Kerry getting medieval on us in the AIQF

By Tyrone in AIQF 05 after a replay

By Mayo (Ciaran Mac) after leading by six with 20 to go in the AISF 06

By Kerry in AISF 07

By Tyrone in the pouring rain in AIQF 08

By Kerry (startled earwigs) in AIQF 09

I was at them all and more. So excuse me if my memories of supporting Dublin, in the main was of disappointment for the guts of 26 years (barring the wins in 83 and 95). Now you may say that you have had more disappointment than me, and I would say quantitatively that is correct.

But I would also point out that experience is subjective, and given that I was from a county where there was a huge amount of expectation on them to be All Ireland winners, both from within and outside the county, that the sense of failure and underachievement was especially keen and embarrassing. Anyone who was supporting Dublin during those years won't forget it soon anyway.

Or I could just concede defeat and acknowledge that I just can't do self pity like some of the contributors to this board, and I should just leave it to the experts...

Boo hoo, tiger. Are we meant to feel sorry for ye?
Not at all. Just stop feeling sorry for yourselves 😁

Who said we’re feeling sorry for ourselves?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on August 15, 2019, 10:06:44 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

That was a ridiculous black card to be fair
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 15, 2019, 10:09:48 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

That was a ridiculous black card to be fair

Black cards are ridiculous. Will common  sense come into play and we get the return of yellow and red cards only?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on August 15, 2019, 10:11:52 PM
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

That was a ridiculous black card to be fair

Black cards are ridiculous. Will common  sense come into play and we get the return of yellow and red cards only?
That’ll be the day!!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 10:30:03 PM
It looked a fairly clear cut black card. O'Brien runs at pace in a straight line from about 20 yards at a guy who more or less stands his ground and then O'Brien turns his shoulder into him.

But it's Kerry so there's no surprise there.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: johnpower on August 15, 2019, 10:57:50 PM
As I said previously, I don't think Kerry actually want him changed, instead just create enough of a hullabaloo so that he can't avoid it, and they're hoping that it means he'll be  more likely to favour Kerry in 50/50s, so avoid an chance of being regarded as biased.

You still have to trust that he's above it, but at this stage I'd would not be sorry if he stood down. Although the chap's been through quite the journey to get here, so you can only wish him the best and hope he makes all the correct calls.

I agree with you will put pressure on Gough and his team of officials .
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 16, 2019, 01:42:24 PM
Terrified in the Kingdom, or soon to be be former Kingdom.


https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciarn-whelan-a-great-act-of-double-bluff-cute-hoorism-you-cant-keep-up-with-kerry-when-it-comes-to-it-38408859.html
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Seamus on August 16, 2019, 08:22:44 PM
Terrified in the Kingdom, or soon to be be former Kingdom.


https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciarn-whelan-a-great-act-of-double-bluff-cute-hoorism-you-cant-keep-up-with-kerry-when-it-comes-to-it-38408859.html

You would love to think so, actually they can’t wait to get a shot at the Dubs. Contrary to what most people think Kerry is not called The Kingdom because of football, anyway I’m sure they’ll win one or two more All Irelands in the future. Regards Whelan’s article, have you any idea what he is up to here?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 16, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 16, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!

FFS The Jackeens' cute hoorism has turned a few pages for this one, for bleedin' sure!  :P
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 16, 2019, 10:01:30 PM
Usually, by this stage of the proceedings, the main event would also be the main discussion point on this board -- have things gone so awry, gone so utterly devoid of unpredictability that the dreary inevitability of the result of this one (no offence Ciarraí) has rendered any pondering thereon such an inescapably futile exercise?

Gough is a good referee, perhaps the best around right now, and his being domiciled in Dublin really doesn't play a part.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 16, 2019, 11:09:31 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!


Yes I'd have the game at 4/6 Dublin 6/4 Kerry 10/1 Draw! The year is 2015!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on August 16, 2019, 11:27:52 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!
Nothing ridiculous about the odds, was similar odds for the Semi final v Mayo which Dublin won by 10 points.  Many first time challengers would be more solid defensively than this current Kerry team.  Its 70/30 game in favour of Dublin i reckon.

In 1974 Dublin won their first senior AI for 11 years a bit different from the 2019 Dublin team going for 5 in a row.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 16, 2019, 11:42:23 PM
The bookies odds for the game are ridiculous. I guess they mirror the weight of money that must be going on the Dubs. It’s Kerry we’re meeting not some first-time challenger. It’s no more than a 50/50 game for the Dubs (at best).

I still feel the pain/shock of the 1975 final when a young Kerry team came out of nowhere to hammer the Dubs. The challenge this year will be no less severe.

Dublin beware!
Nothing ridiculous about the odds, was similar odds for the Semi final v Mayo which Dublin won by 10 points.  Many first time challengers would be more solid defensively than this current Kerry team.  Its 70/30 game in favour of Dublin i reckon.

In 1974 Dublin won their first senior AI for 11 years a bit different from the 2019 Dublin team going for 5 in a row.

In 1974 they had won their first Leinster in 9 years. They had not been even in the Leinster final the previous 8 years! They were as much a novice team as Kerry.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: grassHarrow on August 18, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Dublin trained in Clare this weekend and on Sat they had 10 hired security personal surrounding the Cooraclare pitch ....  just in case some Kerry lads crossed the Shannon !
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 18, 2019, 08:29:37 PM
Eddie van Halen is the guitarist in the yellow jacket

I think he looks a bit like Jim Gavin

https://youtu.be/SwYN7mTi6HM
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: WT4E on August 19, 2019, 11:01:38 AM
Dublin -6 on the handicap - printing money.

14 points in the hurling probably be 14 in the football as well - hardly a classic year!
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Hound on August 19, 2019, 11:46:19 AM
The doubt about the football final is we don't know how good Kerry might be.

I would have loved to have played them last year, as even though Clifford and O'Se were emerging as stars, Geaney and JOD were struggling and their defence was just absymal!

This year, the turnaround in their defence has been huge. I presume credit has to go to Keane in that regard. Add in the form of Geaney and O'Brien to an improved again Clifford and O'Se and, well, they're All Ireland finalists. 

They played very well against Mayo and turned it into a non-contest (Mayo missing a few in fairness to them). A very good game v Donegal, albeit Donegal didn't turn out to be as good as maybe we thought. Also has to be remembered that Kerry played Donegal without David Moran, who'd be a massive loss. Kerry were not good in the first half v Tyrone, but turned that around very impressively in the second half, and Tommy Walsh adds another wildcard factor.

As is always the case, if you take chances, Dublin will give you chances. If Kerry get 1-on-1s with Dublin defenders they will get a lot of joy. But very hard to do that without leaving 1-on-1s up the other end too, so that's a quandary Keane will have to figure out.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 19, 2019, 12:50:03 PM
The doubt about the football final is we don't know how good Kerry might be.

I would have loved to have played them last year, as even though Clifford and O'Se were emerging as stars, Geaney and JOD were struggling and their defence was just absymal!

This year, the turnaround in their defence has been huge. I presume credit has to go to Keane in that regard. Add in the form of Geaney and O'Brien to an improved again Clifford and O'Se and, well, they're All Ireland finalists. 

They played very well against Mayo and turned it into a non-contest (Mayo missing a few in fairness to them). A very good game v Donegal, albeit Donegal didn't turn out to be as good as maybe we thought. Also has to be remembered that Kerry played Donegal without David Moran, who'd be a massive loss. Kerry were not good in the first half v Tyrone, but turned that around very impressively in the second half, and Tommy Walsh adds another wildcard factor.

As is always the case, if you take chances, Dublin will give you chances. If Kerry get 1-on-1s with Dublin defenders they will get a lot of joy. But very hard to do that without leaving 1-on-1s up the other end too, so that's a quandary Keane will have to figure out.

Bare stats says Kerry have conceded more per game in this years championship than last year.  Main talking point from the Munster final was how poor they were in defence, Cork should have scored a lot more than they did. Against Mayo while they won pulling up Mayo could or should have scored at least 1-20. Against Donegal they did concede 1-20 and again lucky it wasn't a lot more conceded, the following game Donegal managed just 1-10 and were knocked out of the championship.  Tyrone scored 0-18 and their supporters will be taking about their missed chances for some time to come.

Dublin have scored on average 28 points per game this summer it will come as no surprise if they score in and around that average against that Kerry defence. 
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 19, 2019, 12:57:51 PM
Kerry are so fecked!  ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: joemamas on August 19, 2019, 01:23:37 PM
The doubt about the football final is we don't know how good Kerry might be.

I would have loved to have played them last year, as even though Clifford and O'Se were emerging as stars, Geaney and JOD were struggling and their defence was just absymal!

This year, the turnaround in their defence has been huge. I presume credit has to go to Keane in that regard. Add in the form of Geaney and O'Brien to an improved again Clifford and O'Se and, well, they're All Ireland finalists. 

They played very well against Mayo and turned it into a non-contest (Mayo missing a few in fairness to them). A very good game v Donegal, albeit Donegal didn't turn out to be as good as maybe we thought. Also has to be remembered that Kerry played Donegal without David Moran, who'd be a massive loss. Kerry were not good in the first half v Tyrone, but turned that around very impressively in the second half, and Tommy Walsh adds another wildcard factor.

As is always the case, if you take chances, Dublin will give you chances. If Kerry get 1-on-1s with Dublin defenders they will get a lot of joy. But very hard to do that without leaving 1-on-1s up the other end too, so that's a quandary Keane will have to figure out.

Have to disagree.
I was at the semi-final, and the Tyrone forwards were so dominant, that their outfield players were just hoofing it in, and still were winning 80% of the ball.
Kerry's full-back line is brutal. I have a feeling they will employ a sweeper(s) to stay in the game.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: thejuice on August 19, 2019, 04:50:14 PM
I didn’t think the majority of the Yerra-tales would be coming out of Dublin!

Would ye stop. Dublin will win comfortably enough.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2019, 05:15:33 PM
The doubt about the football final is we don't know how good Kerry might be.

I would have loved to have played them last year, as even though Clifford and O'Se were emerging as stars, Geaney and JOD were struggling and their defence was just absymal!

This year, the turnaround in their defence has been huge. I presume credit has to go to Keane in that regard. Add in the form of Geaney and O'Brien to an improved again Clifford and O'Se and, well, they're All Ireland finalists. 

They played very well against Mayo and turned it into a non-contest (Mayo missing a few in fairness to them). A very good game v Donegal, albeit Donegal didn't turn out to be as good as maybe we thought. Also has to be remembered that Kerry played Donegal without David Moran, who'd be a massive loss. Kerry were not good in the first half v Tyrone, but turned that around very impressively in the second half, and Tommy Walsh adds another wildcard factor.

As is always the case, if you take chances, Dublin will give you chances. If Kerry get 1-on-1s with Dublin defenders they will get a lot of joy. But very hard to do that without leaving 1-on-1s up the other end too, so that's a quandary Keane will have to figure out.

Have to disagree.
I was at the semi-final, and the Tyrone forwards were so dominant, that their outfield players were just hoofing it in, and still were winning 80% of the ball.
Kerry's full-back line is brutal. I have a feeling they will employ a sweeper(s) to stay in the game.

It wasn't even diagonal balls - it was just hoofed up in the air lol. (That's not a critique of their kick passing - they were doing what was needed).
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Armagh18 on August 19, 2019, 05:47:10 PM
Look what Tyrone did to the Kerry defence with one good forward in McShane, imagine what O’Callaghan, Mannion and Co will do. Although the Kerry forwards have the quality to get plenty of joy out of the Dubs backline if Kerry manage to get the ball that far.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 19, 2019, 10:54:10 PM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2         Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2019, 12:52:51 AM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2 Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

Can get Kerry at 5/1
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 20, 2019, 09:44:21 AM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2         Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row
Can you get odds on when attendances collapse ?
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Rossfan on August 20, 2019, 10:39:47 AM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2 Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

Can get Kerry at 5/1
Ros were 4/1  for Castlebar and Salthill........
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 20, 2019, 11:13:09 AM
Looking at the odds below, Dublin are shorter odds to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row than Kerry are to beat them in this years final!


All-Ireland Final odds

1/6         Dublin

7/2         Kerry

When will Dublin's run end?


4/7         Dublin to win 6 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

13/8       Dublin to win 7 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

3/1         Dublin to win 8 All-Ireland SFCs in a row


6/1         Dublin to win 9 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

12/1       Dublin to win 10 All-Ireland SFCs in a row

I'm not one to cry about Dublin whatsoever but this is actually scary its a thing.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on August 20, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: seafoid on August 20, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.   
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 20, 2019, 01:04:55 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: joemamas on August 20, 2019, 01:27:30 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.

Thanks Kerry for Sam.
You better set up under a new alias.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 20, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.

Thanks Kerry for Sam.
You better set up under a new alias.

Sure it happens in every game club and county, your winning by a bit, slow it down, hold the ball, run it, its more common sense than anything. The guy above thinks money makes the dubs do it.

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: joemamas on August 20, 2019, 01:36:53 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.

Thanks Kerry for Sam.
You better set up under a new alias.

Sure it happens in every game club and county, your winning by a bit, slow it down, hold the ball, run it, its more common sense than anything. The guy above thinks money makes the dubs do it.

Thanks Kerry for sam
you are now up to 503 posts  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on August 20, 2019, 01:41:07 PM
If this continues, Attendances, Sponsorship, Partnerships, TV money, Corporate boxes, Jersey and merchandise sales, will all decline. You have to love RTE, the general media et al who have stuck their heads in the sand for fear of offending their sponsors. There has been a general media shut down. Brolly (the voice of the people) has his gob in the trough, brown nosing at every opportunity and totally ignoring the elephant in the room.

Will be interesting to see how the Multi-million organistaion called the GAA deals with the shortfall in revenue.
Pundits won't even bother talking up matches.

 "I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan’s goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score. Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. "

Patient recycling is like watching paint dry. Punters will switch off and hurt GAA revenues.  The Dublin funding paradox.

Its called game management. It is what is missing from the Mayo lads over the last decade.

Thanks Kerry for Sam.
You better set up under a new alias.

Sure it happens in every game club and county, your winning by a bit, slow it down, hold the ball, run it, its more common sense than anything. The guy above thinks money makes the dubs do it.

Thanks Kerry for sam
you are now up to 503 posts  ;D ;D

Please dont compare me with him. thanks.

However i agree some posters out there like @mup and @seafoid and couple of the mayo posters could possibly be him posting idiotic posts.
Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on August 21, 2019, 05:44:44 PM
Last two years when Dublin last took the lead in championship games.

2018
V Wicklow - 1st minute
v Longford - 1st minute
v Laois - 19th minute (Dublin goal put them ahead)
v Donegal - 25th minute (Donegal lead up to the 22nd minute)
v Tyrone - 22nd Minute (Dublin goal put them ahead)
v Roscommon - 6th minute (dead rubber)
v Galway - 27th minute (Dublin goal put them ahead)
v Tyrone - 22nd minute

2019
v Louth - 5th minute
v Kildare - 4th minute
v Meath - 11th minute (the first score of the game)
v Cork 18th minute
v Roscommon - 11th minute
v Tyrone - 8th minute
v Mayo 36th minute (Dublin goal put them ahead)


I think most of us will agree that Dublin are going to win this final but what might be most interesting about this match is if Kerry take the lead and how long can they hold onto that lead?

Title: Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
Post by: APM on August 21, 2019, 06:00:22 PM
The Mayo game was the only Championship game in the last two years where they were behind at all in the second half - and that only lasted a minute